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Subject: Rotohog Midweek 6/11-6/14

  Posted by: Bandos - Sustainer [279492419] Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 07:08
Made up some ground this weekend (thx to pujols, Arod and Fielder) after an abysmal week. 10th in both standings, how bout that!
 
1Bandos
      Sustainer
      ID: 279492419
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 07:09
ADJ rank RH World Rank Team Position Usage Total Points Adj points: 7 + 4.75 Pts behind
1 24 yazmeisters (Imdbcooper) 4 -31 7,754.81 7874.06 0
2 14 Skankin' Owls (mymrbig) -6 21 7,921.95 7864.2 -9.86
3 32 Sioux Falls Stars (Superstar) 4 -40 7,639.02 7801.02 -73.04
4 45 The Waiver Wire (TheWaiverWireBlog) -3 -47 7,475.51 7719.76 -154.3
5 35 Endangered Species (Species) 8 -33 7,578.32 7679.07 -194.99
6 19 We Are Borg (RotoGuru) 28 -5 7,834.99 7662.74 -211.32
7 20 High Self-Esteem (jdrenbarger) 23 0 7,813.22 7652.22 -221.84
8 33 DA WEINERS (hdk100) 6 -7 7,622.80 7614.05 -260.01
9 46 FenwayCheer4 (FenwayCheer4) -16 -3 7,474.70 7600.95 -273.11
10 10 Bandos (Bandos) 8 73 8,000.31 7597.56 -276.5
11 30 StLCards (StLCards) 6 12 7,667.65 7568.65 -305.41
12 39 All-Star Annihilators (Phatnamad) 11 -17 7,547.61 7551.36 -322.7
13 28 procrastinators (samithas) 9 13 7,669.91 7545.16 -328.9
14 52 JibJabs (jibjabmraz) -15 -5 7,402.48 7531.23 -342.83
15 16 Stumptown Spawning Sturgeons (diffbean) 4 75 7,879.28 7495.03 -379.03
16 31 ACE of CLUBS (Planet29) 1 36 7,649.28 7471.28 -402.78
17 38 Smoke & Mirrors (mbg81272) 6 10 7,553.15 7463.65 -410.41
18 27 TEAM ROC (crasyuba21) 28 19 7,698.31 7412.06 -462
19 44 Chico's Bail Bonds (Ender) 24 -17 7,488.71 7401.46 -472.6
20 15 Apaca1ypse Now... (Apaca1ypse) 21 80 7,921.14 7394.14 -479.92
21 54 The Experiment (natefrogbu) 4 -7 7,388.34 7393.59 -480.47
22 80 Firdownblers (Firdownble) 13 -59 7,116.26 7305.51 -568.55
23 82 Peter N. (ttucowboy) 7 -54 7,081.34 7288.84 -585.22
24 41 Headhunter (Headhunter) 1 56 7,520.43 7247.43 -626.63
25 85 Buschleaguers (Buschleaguers) 2 -41 7,042.49 7223.24 -650.82
26 70 Doylestown Drifters (Music2004Man) 0 -5 7,179.76 7203.51 -670.55
27 17 BONDS SUCKS (maxfli1010) 8 132 7,870.00 7187 -687.06
28 58 Manny's Rodents (manny212) 17 1 7,284.29 7160.54 -713.52
29 71 MoneySchooled.com (ByronWarnken) 3 2 7,175.83 7145.33 -728.73
30 55 Pu-Rod and A-Jols (bachsmom) 9 25 7,312.69 7130.94 -743.12
31 79 Skull Krushers (clintrad4) 42 -60 7,116.77 7107.77 -766.29
32 81 Cullman Cats (GCamp13) 5 -2 7,087.35 7061.85 -812.21
33 88 GoatLocker's Bums (GoatLocker) 3 -10 7,032.68 7059.18 -814.88
34 64 Can't Beat the Refs (Ref) 23 8 7,226.71 7027.71 -846.35
35 86 NJ Psycho-Crazies (djs2012) 12 -4 7,039.42 6974.42 -899.64
36 87 Kaiser SoSay (action256) -19 50 7,038.37 6933.87 -940.19
37 77 Chuck Rules (Chuck) 23 11 7,121.88 6908.63 -965.43
38 65 Cheese Smokers (dmachine1) 41 5 7,217.30 6906.55 -967.51
39 68 KTMoney (ktmoney29) 13 43 7,199.02 6903.77 -970.29
40 66 Scranton Sluggers (BigBobE) 19 39 7,214.71 6896.46 -977.6
41 99 I'm Rich Byitch!! (rangerxbob) 6 7 6,930.41 6855.16 -1018.9
42 84 Krazys (krazyivan) 7 34 7,045.44 6834.94 -1039.12
43 69 Tboz Hustlaz (tboz6547) -20 118 7,182.66 6762.16 -1111.9
44 67 Sox Fever (Soxrule07) 20 67 7,208.80 6750.55 -1123.51
45 95 BDM (dburnidge) 12 34 6,971.36 6725.86 -1148.2
46 59 Ben's in Charge (barry11753) 6 124 7,262.91 6631.91 -1242.15
47 8 Loonies (redwag) 18 288 8,086.50 6592.5 -1281.56
48 75 CrazyHo (pedroiaCrazy) -14 135 7,133.62 6590.37 -1283.69
49 73 BIANCO (BIANCO) 43 72 7,172.03 6529.03 -1345.03
50 98 The Tools of Ignorance (Atlanta1) 42 32 6,934.68 6488.68 -1385.38
51 61 Custodians (Custodians) 22 133 7,252.21 6466.46 -1407.6
52 94 Lenny Melnick Podcasts Will Help You Out! (DRAFTAHOLIC) -7 133 6,984.76 6402.01 -1472.05
53 49 Headless Thompson Gunners (HeadlessGunners) 14 198 7,413.26 6374.76 -1499.3
54 74 Australian Roo Crew (elbourn) 6 168 7,171.94 6331.94 -1542.12
55 42 Tornados (phike) 22 216 7,496.42 6316.42 -1557.64
56 96 slappy knappys (cknappy) 12 132 6,957.75 6246.75 -1627.31
57 9 goislesgo (GoIslesGO) 29 337 8,005.19 6201.44 -1672.62
58 29 Cant B Beat (datace) 22 288 7,667.87 6145.87 -1728.19
59 3 W.orld F.amous (beatfreaks) 25 591 8,972.77 5990.52 -1883.54
60 21 Gas Gusslers (GASGUSSLER) -116 588 7,796.05 5815.05 -2059.01
61 23 Beerdrinkers (AdvantageSchneider) -12 450 7,784.31 5730.81 -2143.25
62 50 Diamond Savant (DiamondMan) 19 327 7,410.78 5724.53 -2149.53
63 1 Underdawgs (Ford) 17 719 9,256.27 5722.02 -2152.04
64 7 blackjackis21 (blackjackis21) -66 659 8,340.03 5671.78 -2202.28
65 60 Field of Hobbits (oldwolf) -6 371 7,252.39 5532.14 -2341.92
66 40 pachyderms (pachyderms) 6 416 7,533.96 5515.96 -2358.1
67 48 Yanks525 (Yanks525) -24 493 7,433.33 5259.58 -2614.48
68 2 Maranatha! (LeeYih) 9 790 9,046.83 5231.33 -2642.73
69 18 Jsarn35 (Mets1835) 23 519 7,845.51 5219.26 -2654.8
70 4 Justplay'n2win (indycolt4life) 2 728 8,586.56 5114.56 -2759.5
71 6 yankz (slush823823) 11 672 8,344.47 5075.47 -2798.59
72 5 Bad News Bears (cam4128) -12 762 8,557.96 5022.46 -2851.6
73 22 Gigantula (Gigantula) 19 555 7,785.37 5016.12 -2857.94
74 53 longgoners (bigdog) -8 528 7,392.43 4940.43 -2933.63
75 34 Beau Knows (mbchamp06) -86 705 7,614.83 4868.08 -3005.98
76 13 '57 Milwaukee Braves (adadof2) -13 702 7,927.18 4683.68 -3190.38
77 72 Tigers (Tigers) -19 580 7,172.48 4550.48 -3323.58
78 97 TheHaunted (n3rds) -24 546 6,950.43 4524.93 -3349.13
79 12 Eagle State (johnb2311) -32 796 7,930.19 4373.19 -3500.87
80 26 yankkss (janf21) -58 799 7,726.72 4337.47 -3536.59
81 92 Connors Bashers (BEANDGEE25) 16 550 7,007.04 4282.54 -3591.52
82 11 Tomt7458 (tomt7458) -11 798 7,954.17 4240.67 -3633.39
83 90 12th St. Cubs (dawson8) -41 646 7,016.94 4235.44 -3638.62
84 47 VoteForJoe (tchu125) 7 685 7,471.61 4168.86 -3705.2
85 36 muckas (buckwheat) 2 722 7,571.87 4128.37 -3745.69
86 62 Yankee Clipper (kjpeterson9) -22 697 7,245.10 4088.35 -3785.71
87 37 skybombers (skyman64) -29 795 7,554.84 3981.59 -3892.47
88 100 hooahs (Soly36) -1 630 6,923.71 3938.21 -3935.85
89 83 iMriCHbiTcH2 (chrisrager) -21 689 7,060.59 3934.84 -3939.22
90 25 Hits and Giggles (schmen) 8 798 7,743.61 3897.11 -3976.95
91 56 Cardinals81 (ozzie81) -47 797 7,302.22 3845.47 -4028.59
92 43 shortchanges (sto) -20 800 7,488.78 3828.78 -4045.28
93 57 ChickenHawks (leeja) 3 732 7,285.16 3787.16 -4086.9
94 89 Delorey (Delorey) -67 796 7,020.04 3708.04 -4166.02
95 51 Obson (JaredG) 3 777 7,402.85 3691.1 -4182.96
96 78 Peg Leg Porn Star (Archer) -36 802 7,118.69 3561.19 -4312.87
97 91 The Undertakers (undertak4) -27 797 7,009.63 3412.88 -4461.18
98 76 Norm Plante (ludger) 3 796 7,123.17 3321.17 -4552.89
99 63 Don's-07-Dingers (don10pico) 22 797 7,241.58 3301.83 -4572.23
100 93 Parks Indians (harryj) 14 799 6,996.12 3102.87 -4771.19
 
2RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 07:36 		Anyone get any emails from Rotohog regarding weekly prizes?
 
3Bandos
      Sustainer
      ID: 279492419
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 07:39 		No, but I got my t-shirt :)
 
4Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 09:44 		I was in the top 100 for last week and haven't received an email yet.

 
5ukula
      ID: 24548117
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 09:57 		Has anyone else noticed that they are missing points from Friday's Met-Tiger game? Points from that game don't show up on my weekly or monthly totals.
 
6mrbig
      ID: 74421811
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 10:35 		Wow, surprised I'm still a hair away from 1st. I only had 99.08 pts combined on saturday and sunday while burning through 23 IP. Guess some other folks made equally poor decisions with their pitching!
 
7Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 10:36 		ukula - I noticed that on Saturday, but has assumed it was corrected by now. Guess not...did you send them an email?
 
8ukula
      ID: 24548117
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 10:43 		Alex - I sent them an email, but haven't heard anything yet - I'll keep you posted. I haven't had good luck with getting responses from the customer service email.
 
9donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 11:00 		I'm finally starting to figure out my points per IP for SP's & RP's (by hand - ugh). points per game for each position is next. I will post them this week as soon as I am done. couple questions to make sure my numbers are based on the same thinkg yours all are.

are the "7" and the "+4.75" at the top of the adjusted standings what you are using for hitting points per game & SP innings for the position usage adjustment ?

and secondly, I assume you are only using SP numbers from true starters, and not from Paps, Gregg, etc. ?? including them in your RP numbers ?

thanks
 
10Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 11:25 		Well I was 3-3 yesterday. Gregg, Hoffman and Cordero all got me negatives.
 
11StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 11:40 		I never got an email but it says I'm not eligible for a weekly prize since I won one already. Looks like I won a tee-shirt last week.
 
12Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 11:43 		[5] I'm still missing those points as well (and also the GP). They were all negative, so I'm not complaining!
 
13ukula
      ID: 24548117
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 12:05 		Just received this from RH:



Hi Ukula,

The Week 3 standings are not final as we will be doing some points corrections, like from last Friday’s games as you mentioned. We will be correcting some mistakes from our stats provider and will make an announcement when that has been completed. We appreciate your feedback and your patience.

Thanks,

The RotoHog Team

 
14donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 12:39 		Re: #6

yes mrbig, some others (like me) made some equally poor decisions on pitching over the weekend. I had about 80 points combined for friday & saturday.

can anyone answer my questions on post #9 ?

and lastly, anyone know why ryan howard is down over $6 today ?
 
15Bandos
      Sustainer
      ID: 279492419
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 12:41 		Donk,

yup and yup.
 
16Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 12:46 		donk44, lots of people are selling him :)

Why are they selling him? I don't know. I sold him because he was down a $1 at the time. It does seem to be a pattern for him. People buy in to get $$$ and sell the next morning.
 
17donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 13:20 		Re: 15

LOL at "lots of people are selling him".

thought maybe he got hurt again, or was scheduled for a day off, but couldn't find any news like that. anyway, thanks for the response (and the laugh)

 
18donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 13:27 		Thank you Bandos.

I will post some points per game & points per IP numbers this week, as soon as I get done tallying everything. wish I knew how to set up spreadsheets, cuz it sure takes a while doing it by hand. but I'm curious how I match up at various positions, etc., so I'll do it now while I have the time to.
 
19Roto2340
      ID: 40546119
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 13:59 		Anyone have any picks on a closer for us monthly players? Also, I'd recommend everyone getting their share of Arod before he sells out (unless he already is).
 
20J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 14:06 		Yep, Payrod is out. Thats ok, I'll stick with David Wright for $30 less.
 
21J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 14:28 		I was looking through the closers I've used in June so far and I'm wondering how firmly Brad Hennessey has his job. In his 3 outings since he took over (I'm pretty sure i've had him since he took over) in 3 outings, he done this: 3 innings, 1 loss, 0 saves, 1K, 6H, 3ER. Not pretty! I'm more concerned with him on my regular non-rotohog team, but still. Using closers not named Papshmere in those SP slots is nice.

Gregg had been pretty good up until last night.
 
22GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 16:06 		I had taken a look at closers again the other day through the 6th of June.

These are just some of my observations.
These guys are in order as most points year to date.

Cordero
5-4 to 5-9 a save everyday
Fewest points were 7.50
Two 24.35 point days.
5-10 to 5-16 no points
5-17 save
5-18 to 5-19 no saves
5-20 save
5-21 to 5-27 no saves
5-28 to 6-5 6 saves in 9 days(9 games)

Hoffman
5-20 to 5-27 5 saves in 8 days (7 games)
5-29 to 6-3 1 save in 6 games
6-5 to 6-6 back to back saves

Jenks
Not going to break it down, but the gist of it is 6 saves in the last 22 games.
Had to have had a lot before then

And it goes on and on.
I generally will go with a closer for anywhere from 3 to 6 or 7 days depending on the schedule and how often I think he might have a chance of getting into a game.
There truely is not set way to do this.
You are going to have good streaks and bad streaks.
I have had days with positive points from all 6.
I have had days with negative points from 3 or 4 of 6.
I haven't looked at my numbers lately, but overall have been doing good with RPs.

Cliff
 
23 Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 16:12 		donk, email me and I'll send you what I have set up for June. You should be able to follow it and use it.
 
24Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 16:21 		I'll be starting Wright today as well, but because ARod doesn't even play. I bought ARod back last night figuring he would be OUT at some point before tomorrow's game. I don't think you can afford not to be playing him right now.
 
25mrbig
      ID: 74421811
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 17:19 		I'm forgoing Arod tomorrow because Webb has been on a roll. Maybe I'm a fool for it, but there has to be a better 3b match-up then Arod agains Webb for my $$.
 
26mrbig
      ID: 6336160
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 20:44 		Glad I stuck with Howard despite early $$ losses. Unfortunate that I wasn't around for the freeze to avoid additional losses! Down about $40 on the day after missing most of the freezes.
 
27StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 21:11 		I was tempted to go with Zambrano today given how poorly Houston has played this year. Wish I would have gone with my gut instead of the stats.
 
28Chuck
      ID: 152261223
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:07 		I've got Borowski-- looks like my 5th day in a row I'll have a negative RP performance. I think I should really just stick with starters...
 
29donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:09 		I must have lost my mind to play borowski - he is horrible. he must have the dirt on someone to have that job. I am taking an oath tonight to NEVER play him again, even if cleveland is the only game on the schedule.
 
30StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:22 		I obviously need to pay more attention. I started Putz not realizing he wouldn't pitch today. Too bad Sizemore didn't go deep to make them pay!
 
31Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:22 		As stated above, I sold Howard very early on today, but did buy him back late afternoon and started him :) Sadly, I also started Borowski only because of the light schedule.
 
32StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:26 		I'm guessing that Martin doesn't have much of an arm as the Mets already stole 2 bases in the first inning and Reyes wasn't even one of them.
 
33J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:27 		Holy crap, i lost $50 too!!!! And I was also guilty and got Borowski'd
 
34Chuck
      ID: 152261223
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:28 		Only played VMart, Howard, Wright and Suzuki in the field today (considered a bunch of others).

Dempster neutralizes Borowski. Nothing for Jenks.

Still have hopes for Hennesey, Heilman, and Wagner later today. Perhaps El Duque will struggle setting up a Heilman win and Wagner save-- thanks to an 9th inning home run by Wright. Hey, I can dream...
 
35Peter N.
      ID: 4152471
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:36 		I hope nobody started Morris. He was due for an implosion. Thankfully I benched him in G20 and RIBC.

As far as starters, I didn't get much from my hitters(VMart, Sizemore, Soriano and Utley) Pitching side is better though as I avoided Borowski and have recorded saves from Alfonseca and Dempster. Accardo, Wagner, Hennessey and Marcum(don't ask ;-)) have all just started.
 
36Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 22:41 		Borowski even killed me in Pick the Loser. I really don't like that guy.

I went with a full slate of hitters. I debated going light, but had enough hitters I liked without reaching at any position.

I am down about $30 on the day. I was around for the early freeze and still lost $16. I missed the late freeze because I was at the little league field with my 8 year old watching a game so I'll gladly accept those losses.
 
37Alex
      ID: 20357221
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 23:21 		The good news - I'm up $100 in 2 days.
Bad news - I still only have $850.
More bad news - I'm at -6 points for today.
Good news - I've got both Accardo & Hennessey still alive and have only used 1G and 1IP.
 
38J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, Jun 11, 2007, 23:48 		my bench (aka Ryan Howard) has tripled my entire teams' score tonight
 
39Peter N.
      ID: 4152471
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 00:16 		Wow, I take back what I said about Morris. He settled down and put up 7 shutout innings after allowing 3 in the 1st.
 
40donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 00:35 		hennessey is about as good as borowski (need I say more), which is why morris was left in to complete the game. he is just a random middle reliever type that happened to be in the right place at the right time to get annointed the "closer". but the giants have very little faith in him.

that being said, I played him today given the limited options.
 
41RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 08:54 		Tons of good SPs going today, everyone's going to have to make some key pitching decisions today.
 
42Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 09:30 		RotohogNewb - Agreed. I've got two that I'm pretty excited about.
 
43donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 12:32 		Ender - Re: #23

thank you for the kind offer yesterday, but I need to go back and do April & May anyway, in addition to June. so I'll catch up now, and then start keeping records from this point foreward.
 
44Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 12:43 		Anytime. I tracked for a bit in April. I was lazy in May and just played without paying attention to the breakdowns. I have been hot in June (until yesterday!) so I decided to track it.

I agree that there are several good pitchers pitching today, but I just can't convince myself to trust any of them enough to use the innings. I had Maine earlier, but sold him. I may buy him back. The other mitigating factor is my son has a game tonight and I don't feel like losing the money on the early freeze pitchers especially since I'm not all that confident they will pitch up to their potential.
 
45donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 12:56 		Re: #42

let me guess Alex - Scott Olsen & Kyle Davies ?
 
46RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 13:49 		donk44 Re:45

I don't think he'll tell you until the games start, but why would he want those two pitchers? In fact, those 2 pitchers probably wouldn't even be in my top 10 for today. Maybe I wasn't about to detect the sarcasm...
 
47donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 14:06 		Re: 45

Newb - I know he won't tell (and I wouldn't expect him to).

and yes, you detected sarcasm.
 
48RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 18:14 		I'd recommend people get their Peavy before he sells out--he's going against Tampa Bay's Edwin Jackson, who currently is 0-7 with a 7.39 ERA.
 
49Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 18:20 		I'm going to take a beating $$$-wise tonight. I have almost exclusively early start players. The only guy I will be able to get out of at freeze is Wagner. I'm leaving a couple OF spots open so that's 7 hitter + 5 pitcher spots (1 starter). Want to start a pool on how much I lose between now and the time I return from my son's game?

I'm at ~$1063 right now. I'll let you know how much I lose.
 
50Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 19:16 		The curse continues! Hamels gives up back-to-back jacks to Konerko and Dye! Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez just kill me NOW.
 
51donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 19:22 		Hamels here too Species. we should have known this would happen after Adam (ack) Eaton shuts them out last night. Everything happens in reverse.
 
52mrbig
      ID: 6336160
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 19:47 		Just because Peavy might be a near-lock for a win doesn't mean he's a great option. I mean, if he pitches like he did last time, but gets the win, he's still not as good of an option as I would optimally choose. Just saying, its not like TB has a weak offense.
 
53Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 21:24 		Dropped to 1041 (thanks to all those who participated ;). I went with Hamels and for some stupid reason (I blame the sartibles) I went with Figgins instead of Utley tonight. I'm off to a slow start. I hope it gets better.

Agreed on Peavy. That said, I did grab him yesterday for the dough if nothing else.
 
54RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 21:31 		So who was the lucky one to start Verlander?
 
55Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 21:44 		Hamels or Verlander? I picked Hamels. I sat Gregg to do it. What could have been...

Kudos to anyone who pulled the trigger and started Verlander.

What was his final RHP tally?
 
56donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 21:46 		naturally I didn't have him, but I think around 100 points
 
57RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 21:50 		I didn't have him, but if you do the math--9IP*7.5 -4BB*1.66 + 12K*1.85 + 20Win = 100. I'm probably missing something. Still, wow!
 
58mrbig
      ID: 185161221
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 22:21 		RH has Verlander at 103.06. Look at his player page, then at his game log. I didn't go with any SP, though I did have both Paps and Gregg. All you Hamels bemoaners ended up pretty happy. No Utley for me (stupid).
 
59Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 22:48 		Don't get me wrong. I'm happy with Hamels. That was a good use of innings. It just pains me that I almost went with Verlander too. That has since been tempered by the fact that I also opted to skip Maine.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but my 7 hitters have netted me -0.79 points. Ouch.
 
60Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 22:49 		RE 55 I also started Figgins over Utley today. Figgins scored over 9 points and is the only one who did anything for me. I've been gone most of the day and see I lost another $30 because I didn't sell at the freezes. Oh well. I'm losing interest fast.
 
61Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Tue, Jun 12, 2007, 22:54 		True, Figgins wasn't a complete bust and did live up to his averages. In fact, he was my best hitting decision of the night.

Brad Lidge sure wants his old job back doesn't he?
 
62mrbig
      ID: 6336160
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 00:50 		How's this for on odd stat (at least I think its odd) - John Lackey is 9-4 on the year in 13 starts. He has a decision in every start so far!
 
63RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 08:49 		RE: 62

LAA must have a good bullpen.
 
64Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 10:20 		Hamels=good. Burnett=bad. No starters for me today.
 
65C1-NRB
      ID: 5932328
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 11:13 		Are the Mighty, Mighty Devil Rays so feared now that Jake Peavey isn't considered a good bet?

I figured he'd sell out today but instead he's been losing money all morning.
 
66RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 12:21 		Anyone know why thats it (d3wu) is at the top of the daily standings?
 
67StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 19:31 		Peavy staked to a nice little lead.
 
68Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 19:36 		Whew, I saw there was a new post and was worried it was because Peavy had blown up in the 1st. Instead, it's the exact opposite.
 
69donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 19:50 		No, that was the sound of Schilling blowing up
 
70StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 20:32 		My differential pick of Lackey is not looking too good. Guess I was the only one that thought Peavy vs TB wasn't a good bet. This isn't the type of comment you want to read about your pitcher on the game blog either:

"John Lackey has been victim to a really narrow strike zone. "
 
71Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 21:15 		No Fu-Rod for me tonight....again.

I guess I can start blaming myself now. Though today I atleast tried to get him.

I'm rooting for a Yanks off-day, and fast!
 
72mrbig
      ID: 6336160
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 21:24 		Unfortunately (for me at least), I've been missing "out" on the Arod madness because he has been "out" for ages.

Fortunately, it looks like my hitters are doing pretty good today without him today. Over 80 from my hitters so far and they all have at least 1 more AB.

Kill me now - no Peavy!!!
 
73StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 21:35 		I need a CG Shutout in a h2h league so I'm still rooting even without him :)
 
74StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 21:36 		D'Oh! So now he comes out, ugh.
 
75KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 354152921
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 21:43 		Woohoo! I got a T-Shirt notice. I didn't even realize I was in contention. ;)
 
76StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 22:08 		CBS is showing Lackey with only 1 ER so hopefully that is right and rotohog changes it.
 
77GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 22:13 		Got my T-Shirt in the mail today.
Did go to Peavy today.....Homer that I am.
Nice to see all the support in the 1st inning.

And a save from Cordero.

Cliff
 
78Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 22:14 		Even with Schilling I have had a stellar night.....and sadly that's with choosing Sizemore over Vlad.....still over 200 pts for once.
 
79Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Wed, Jun 13, 2007, 23:45 		Just got in. It looks like my hitters were good for about 80 pts. Peavy and KRod took care of my pitching RHP for the night. I can't complain. All in all a pretty good night.
 
80StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 00:51 		Complain if you had Wagner as a closer.
 
81Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 10:28 		No Wagner, no complaint.

Pujols has reached maxed price this morning (did he at all yesterday?). I can't confirm that he is OUT or not though I suspect he is not.
 
82Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 10:50 		Pujols is OUT. Interestingly, his offered price is $90.20, the first time I've seen any player offered above the $90 barrier. Of course, since he is OUT, no one can actually buy him at that price.

 
83Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 10:55 		BTW, I did have Wagner. I was up over 200 points when I went to bed, but he dragged me back under the threshold.

Still a good night. For much of the evening, all of my hitters were positive. Ortiz ended up with -.80, however.
 
84mrbig
      ID: 74421811
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 11:14 		My hitters averaged over 10 yesterday. But no Peavy, only 1 save, and I had Wagner, so not exactly an overwhelming day. I have 1 SP going today, we'll see how it works out for me.
 
85Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 11:18 		Pujols offered price is now down to $90. Still out, however.
 
86Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 11:19 		Re: 82 That's interesting. Right after I postd I saw his price at $89.97 which struck me as odd. That seems to indicate that he received 2 buys after the $89.77 barrier.

2 SP for me (though I may end up with only 1).

I swear I will never figure out the trading patterns in this game. Utley doesn't even play today, but is up $4.46 on the day.
 
87mrbig
      ID: 74421811
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 12:07 		The Utley increase doesn't surprised me (I bought him). Get him while he's below $70!

Generally, I agree that the trading patterns are a little harder to figure out these days then early on. This in itself isn't entirely surprising.

Once one system becomes obvious and most people are using it, then some people start trying to beat the system by changing their strategy. This more effective strategy is slowly adopted by others until it becomes the new status quo, prompting another change in strategy. I think we've had so many changes in strategy, we're to the point where different managers are doing different things (and some have enough $$ that they aren't paying much attention), generally making things more difficult to predict.

The one constant seems to be picking up a good SP 3-4 days before his start to make $$. Once you get to the day of the start, some guys go up while others go down, and this seems to be very hard to predict.
 
88C1-NRB
      ID: 5932328
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 12:42 		The up-down day-of pattern I've noticed is one of extremes.

High-dollar guys dip in the morning as moneymakers take the over night gains and then bail because they don't intend to use them anyway. Most of these guys will sneak back to break-even for the day as gametime approaches then crash at lock.

Cheap ($25 and under) guys see morning gains and hold steady through the day with a slight uptick just before the freeze. These guys' freeze downside isn't near as large, even percentage-wise, as their high dollar counterparts.

I haven't watched the hitters that closely yet, but I imagine in a case like Utley's he had a large number of sells at yesterday's freeze followed by morning buy-backs at the reduced price. It's been established that getting someone's name on the front page as an early mover "chums the water" for both buys and sells.
 
89RotohogNewb
      ID: 27310149
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 13:35 		The Yankees are up 1-0 and Rotohog says Arod already has 2 RBI. Arod is THAT good.
 
90Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 13:57 		Pujols now offered at $90.40. He's still out, but evidently his max price isn't $90.
 
91Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 14:20 		#89 - and they still haven't corrected it after his RBI double, giving him 3 rbi.

#90 - now THAT is new! Bug? New policy?
 
92Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 14:22 		I see the above mentioned trading patterns. It's not that there aren't any. I just wouldn't have predicted Utley taking off so early on a day he doesn't even play. To me it stands to reason that it's a lot of money to tie up on a day a guy doesn't even play. I suppose the pattern has bene established with pitchers (tieing up $70+ for guys like Peavy over the course of several days that they don't play).

I'm not so ingorant that I don't cash in. I was just surprised.
 
93Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 14:42 		Jeff Weaver is terrible. I'm certain nobody had him. So it's probably irrelevant, but the dude is just awful.
 
94Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 14:42 		[91] - not necessarily a bug or a change in policy.

The only player who we have seen top out at $90 was ARod. Maybe the max price is not the same constant for every player. Pujols was initially priced higher than ARod ($53 vs. $48), so the max price may be higher for him.

BTW, Pujols is now up to an offered price of 90.80, so his price is presumably creeping upward while he is OUT. There is no way to know where it may top out - or if it will top out.
 
95StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 14:45 		When I saw Jeff Weaver was starting I decided to go with an all Cub lineup. Hopefully they leave him in for about 15 runs. LOL, not really, but I did consider it.
 
96Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 14:50 		Guru - that was the only theory I could come up with......did Magglio ever 'top out'I wonder?

Stl Cards - hey I just realized that the entire top 10 in the Celebrity leagues get autographed Ozzie baseballs! That's SWEET! I'm sorry I can't let you get the congratulatory call, but a signed ball should be good for you ;-)

.......and yeah, it's probably prudent to seriously consider an anti-Weaver strategy. I have Soriano, and so far, so good. If ARod, Pujols and others didn't have such good matchups I probably would have taken Lee as well.
 
97StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 15:01 		That sounds like my lineup. A little early to be copying off me don't you think Species ;-)
 
98GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 16:35 		Argh, can't win for losing.
Looks like Cordero's save will end up being worth 5.20 points.

At least Germano was a nice 61.74.

And Sheff with just shy of 20 points.

Cliff
 
99J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 19:18 		Got my t-shirt today!
 
100donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 19:39 		for post #100 I would like to say - can any SP EVER make it through the 1st inning without giving up at least 1 run ? except Peavy yesterday, that must be about 8 times in a row.
 
101donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 19:41 		on a more important note, I still haven't gotten a t-shirt !
 
102StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:22 		1 run in the first sounds better than 4 in the 3rd.
 
103Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:35 		You shouldn't have copied my roster, StL! Geez all you can do is try to laugh.....another Halladay-like outing for me in June!!!!! (*&%*&^$&*)&(*
 
104donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:41 		Re: #103

I hear ya Species - so many top pitchers getting lit up in June. And worst of all, I have owned most of them. Obviously I am not alone.

If only we could bring ourselves to start the 2nd tier SP's.

Will Haren be next tomorrow vs. the Cards ?!? Rates to be a 3 HR night for Pujols...
 
105StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:47 		Yeah, I'm laughing about the same as the rest of you, profanity laden laughter. I briefly considered going with no starters but after missing Peavy thought better of it. Not to mention that I've been looking forward to Beckett's start all week. WooHoo! I'm guessing he must be having some kind of problem like maybe his blister coming back. Just freaking great.
 
106donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:47 		they need to get Beckett out of there before -45 points turns into -85
 
107Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:51 		I'd been thinking about dumping Beckett all afternoon, but ended up sticking with him. Glad to hear I have company.

My pitching choices have worked out pretty well lately, so I was due for one of these.
 
108StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:51 		Should have gone to Stanford. Forget 1st or even second tier pitchers, we're talking division 3.
 
109donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 20:57 		Re: #107

Guru should have warned us that he had Beckett and was due for one of these.

Pettitte, for instance, looked like a good matchup, but just can't bring myself to pull the trigger on those.
 
110donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:07 		thank goodness they finally pulled the plug on Beckett. RH shows -31.31, though I think it's "only" -28.31 (gave up 10 hits, but RH is showing 11).

now we just need a big sox rally to save the -6.5 for the loss.
 
111mrbig
      ID: 6336160
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:15 		Also had Beckett. Are we there yet?
 
112StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:25 		At this rate I should just be happy I won a T-shirt. Species is a jinx!
 
113Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:28 		lol mrbig --- if Bandos has Beckett, then it's pretty much a WASH! Yippee! lol
 
114GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:34 		I guess my differentiation in Germano and no Beckett worked real well today :)

And Peavy yesterday.
Guess I now stay away from SPs for awhile ;)

Cliff
 
115Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:35 		You're such a HOMER!
 
116StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:43 		I'm feeling real sarcastic today. Great run support for Santana, way to go MN.
 
117GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:49 		And isn't it great when it works :)

sucks when it doesn't though

Cliff
 
118Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 21:57 		Count me among the Beckett holders. I went with Santana as well so at this point it's pretty much a wash. At least Beckett only wasted 5 IP on his debacle.
 
119Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 23:15 		Woo hoo! Wickman blew it in the 9th so Santana didn't get the loss.
 
120Peter N.
      ID: 4152471
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 23:16 		I had Wickman and Beckett...woooooooohoooooooooo
 
121Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 23:34 		Niiice. A little late game redemption: Morneau saves himself from a negative game for me. Pujols also came through late.

I only went with 5 hitters today and came out allright.
 
122StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 11:47 		Species [96] - I'll tell Ozzie you said hi ;)
 
123Alex
      ID: 45434314
      Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 12:40 		There's going to be a TON of opportunity for differentiation today. I'll have 3 SP and I'm guessing that 2 that I don't have will be even more popular picks. Plenty outside of those 5 who would be reasonable choices too. Should be interesting.
 
124GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 13:00 		There are 9 SPs going to day that could be picked by people to start.
Some have what should be fairly good chances and some could be in trouble.
Really guess it depends on if you want to burn up innings potentially, or if you feel like waiting.
Wasn't going to go with any SPs, but now I'm toying with a couple after all.

There are 3 matchups that I really like based on how teams have performed against the Opposing Starters over the last 15 days.

Hmmm, just need to decide.

Cliff