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- Leader [049346417] Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 16:26
A guy from work just mentioned that the Braves traded Renteria to the Tigers for 2 minor leaguers.
Just found it
The Tigers have acquired SS Edgar Renteria from the Braves in exchange for RHP Jair Jurrjens and OF Gorkys Hernandez.
Renteria has one year and $9 million left on his current contract, which also contains a club option for 2009.
I feel like I've heard of Jurrjens but don't know why? Strange move by the Braves. I know they wanna clear payroll to get a CF and SPs but just dumping Renteria??? |
| | | 1 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 16:37
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Its really strange how a player as good as Renteria has bounced around so much.
Terrific move for the Tigers The Tigers informed Casey during the final weekend of the season that he will not be back in 2008. There has been no indication since then that the club will reconsider.
Casey was squeezed out by two factors: Carlos Guillen’s defensive future and the scarcity of spots on an American League bench.
... Guillen’s range at shortstop became enough of a concern by the end of the season that Ramon Santiago started several crucial games there. Guillen signed a four-year, $48-million contract extension in spring training, so club officials have a significant vested interest in limiting the wear-and-tear on his body. Playing first base will, in theory, be easier than playing shortstop. Guillen has shown himself to be a good defensive first baseman, another reason Detroit felt comfortable making that decision [to not bring Casey back - mith].
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| | | 2 | blue hen
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Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 16:37
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I got an ESPN Alert for it.
Jurrjens was in the majors last year and is a decent prospect.
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Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 00:06
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Houston, we have a problem.
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Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 00:44
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As a Tigers fan I was pissed when I heard of the trade. But now i'm so-so on it. With moving Guillen to 1B it gives us a good SS and 1B combo which we haven't had for years. But trading Jair (who with Miller was most likely coming to came looking for the #5 spot). He showed promise during the season, the only thing I can think is they are pretty worried about his Shoulder that he hurt in August while pitching against the Indians. Then were is Gorkys who is a terrific young OF prospect. He's got great speed and great D. But then he's also an unproven guy above A ball so I guess it was alright to give up. At the end of this season there were dreams of a 2010 OF with Granderson, Maybin and Hernandez which would have been one of the Speediest good D OF around.
In the end i'm very Iffy from Det's POV due to it being two young guys showing alot of promise, for a 32YO with 1 year and an Option left. I mean with Det it isn't like this is their last year (with all of their young talent) to make a run.
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Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 00:48
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As a side note Baseball America ranked Hernandez #4 prospect in the Midwest league. Jurrgens was given the #6 prospect in the Eastern league.
Coming into the Season for the Tigers Jair was ranked #4 and Gorkys ranked #7. This was before both of them had breakout years.
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| | | 7 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 10:17
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There is a rumor that the Marlins are interested in ARod, believe it or not. Julio is gone, Benitez filed for free agency, as will BH Kim and Aaron Boone, leaving Willis ($6.45m), Olivo ($2m) and Gregg ($575k) as the only players on the team making more than $400k. Assuming they buy into the idea that ARod will mean significantly increased revenue for the team I could see them having a go at him. I wouldn't dismiss the possibility out of hand, anyway.
From ARod's perspective there is at least something of a some draw; he grew up in the Miami area and would soak up all the attention his ego desires in a large media market. Depends on how serious he is when he says he wants to play for a contender. And while The Marlins didn't contend, there is a lot of developing talent there, the division was probably the weakest in baseball and if ARod is enough of a draw perhaps he could bring up the revenue stream enough to bolster the roster some, so maybe ther could be a few playoff runs over the next decade.
All that said, that's probably pretty close to what the Rangers were thinking back in 2001.
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Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 13:51
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I feel like I've heard of Jurrjens but don't know why? Strange move by the Braves. I know they wanna clear payroll to get a CF and SPs but just dumping Renteria???
Actually, it's not just "dumping" Renteria...from Wren and Schuerholz' perspectives, not only do they eliminate salary, they fill two "needs" with young up-and-coming players with pretty high ceilings. Escobar's time is now at SS, making Renteria "expendable" (not to mention expensive when you look at the money saved).
Jurrjens' may very well win a spot in the rotation coming out of camp (depending on moves yet to come this winter), projects as a likely #3 in the NL (if everything falls right) with a "potential ceiling" as a #2...4 seamer at 92-95 touching 97, average slider and change at 21 years old. There's some video at MLB.com on him -
Look Familiar???
Not only does his stuff sound like another SP the Braves got from Detroit several years back, his motion and delivery look very much like Smoltz', and he's been quoted as saying that's who he's somewhat patterned himself after. Can't hurt to have John there to talk to if/when he struggles.
The big thing here is the Braves aren't likely to have a dropoff in production from Renteria to Escobar (not to mention increased defensive range), but they shaved more $$$ to spend on another SP this offseason as well as picking up two upper-tier prospects who MAY even be spun in another deal since they help create depth in the farm system. Wren has been quoted as saying that this is "just" the first of the team's moves this offseason. Jurrjens likely will be kept, but Jordan Schafer is likely the long-term answer for the team in CF (possibly as early as the ASB next season), meaning that one of Hernandez or Brandon Jones is "expendable" as well as one of Kelly Johnson or Brent Lillibridge in a deal for another SP.
The Tigers get a better option at SS while improving offensively from Casey to Guillen at 1B WITHOUT having to part with Andrew Miller or Cameron Maybin.
Baseball Prospectus calls it a "Win-Win", and I tend to agree with them.
BP's Take
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Tue, Oct 30, 2007, 13:54
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Wrong link for video above, sorry...
Kurrjens K's 6
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| | | 10 | blue hen
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Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 14:06
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From that 57 free agents list...
Here's hoping the Phillies can get Alex Rodriguez, Curt Schilling, and Francisco Cordero.
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Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 14:30
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Sources tell ESPN's Peter Gammons that Miguel Cabrera will be available on the trade market this winter.
With the Yankees and Red Sox both in need of a third baseman and the Dodgers, Angels, Phillies and Giants all willing to consider upgrades, the Marlins may figure this is their best chance for getting maximum value for Cabrera, who is two years away from free agency. The problem is that, with his weight up, Cabrera's defense has gone from mediocre to truly bad, and he'd make more sense as a first baseman right now. Both the Yankees and Red Sox have possibilities there as well, but they might not be willing to surrender as much talent to fill a hole that is easier plugged. Nov. 1 - 1:45 pm et
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Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 14:47
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This is really kind of late news in some aspects.
The word that I got back in July was that the Padres expected Miggy to be one of them in 2008.
And now the whole thing has changed, so who knows.
Cliff
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| | | 13 | barilko6
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Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 15:08
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I am guessing that the Yankees will throw the farm at the Marlins for Cabrera, as a way to spit in ARod's face.
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| | | 14 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 15:13
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I have guarded hope that the new regime has learned from its predecessor's mistakes.
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| | | 15 | barilko6
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Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 15:26
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They have been doing well in recent years with that, but I think now they might be thinking they need to save face for Torre and ARod both leaving. As much as the fans may have hated ARod, he still represents huge numbers at 3rd base. And nobody has ever left the Yankees because of a lack of money, have they? lol
I just think that there will be a frantic push to replace those numbers as soon as possible.
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Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 18:41
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Tigers fireballer Joel Zumaya out until midseason after a box in the attic falls on his shoulder.
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Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 18:55
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Digging out his Guitar Hero controller?
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| | | 18 | Khahan
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Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 11:54
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Gagne to the Tigers, then? It seems they have a need and he's still got to be better than Todd Jones. After Gagne fell apart with Boston, a 1-year performance bonus-laden deal might be his best bet. And a 1 year deal may be all the Tigers need to get them through to Zumaya being back and healthy.
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Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 11:58
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A-rod going public trying to generate interest. Personally, I think he's trying to mend fences with Boston fans who don't want him.
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Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 18:03
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A-Rod to the Red Sox makes the most sense. What a great way to start the new century, shock the Yanks in 2004 then pull a Babe Ruth and get the greatest player in baseball to switch sides.
ARod would coast to 800 homers in Fenway. He could still cover enough ground to play short for a year or two.
Understand this, if ARod were to play 8-10 years in Boston, in 2017 high school kids in Beantown will look at the 20th century history between the Yanks and Sox and it will be as foreign to their experience as the Peloponnesian War.
Any Boston fan who didn't want him is not very bright. I'll remind all the haters that Barry Bonds had a reputation as a choker in the post season, but check out who is the all time leader in a few select World Series batting catagories. Wouldn't be surprised to see ARod do something like that when he gets his first crack at a World Series.
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| | | 21 | Razor
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Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 11:18
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If A-Rod ever hits the juice, I bet he could do that too. He is, afterall, every bit the player Bonds was pre-juice. Probably better.
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Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 11:37
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According to Buster Olney of ESPN.com, Curt Schilling and the Red Sox have agreed to a one-year contract worth about $8 million in guaranteed salary and $2 million in potential incentives.
Schilling spent most of the season hoping to sign a one-year, $13 million extension to remain in Boston and ends up taking a slight cut from that. The move is a no-brainer for the Red Sox, who lock up a quality starter in an otherwise awful market for free agents and do so at a reasonable price that includes zero risk. Schilling went 9-8 with a 3.87 ERA while starting 24 games in 2007. Nov. 6 - 10:41 am et
Source: ESPN.com
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Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 13:56
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Curt Schilling posted the basic details of his 2008 contract on 38 Pitches:
• $8 million in guaranteed base salary
• $2 million in bonuses for 6 separate weigh-ins
• $3 million in IP incentives based on IP totals
• $1 million for receiving a Cy Young vote, any vote
• Some miscellaneous things were agreed upon as addendums (sic).
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| | | 24 | Khahan
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Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 20:27
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Great contract and I'm very, very happy to see Schilling come back for his final year a Red Sox.
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| | | 25 | Razor
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Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:18
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Weigh-ins? What the hell is that? I wonder if bonuses count against luxury tax. I know they don't count in the team payroll figures you see floating around.
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Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:34
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I'm gonna guess they do count against the luxury tax, otherwise teams would just make really easy incentives, no? i.e. play in 50 games, 5 million dollars!
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Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 22:59
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The Philadelphia Phillies acquired reliever Brad Lidge from the Houston Astros in a five-player trade on Wednesday night.
The Phillies sent outfielder Michael Bourn, pitcher Geoff Geary and minor leaguer Mike Costanzo to Houston, and received infielder Eric Bruntlett in addition to Lidge.
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| | | 28 | blue hen
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Thu, Nov 08, 2007, 10:25
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Yes! I am very happy about this. I'll take my Lidge jersey in large.
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Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 12:28
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Another huge trade for the Tigers...
Omar Infante for Jacques Jones... HUGE!
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Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 17:34
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Mets set to sign Yorvit Torrealba to 3 years for $14.4.
Very questionable move by the Mets IMO. I understand they didn't like LoDuca and the market is very thin but Michael Barrett is still out there.
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| | | 31 | biliruben
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Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 18:01
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Bonds indicted for Perjury.
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| | | 32 | clv
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Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 13:45
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Braves' offer to Glavine could come as early as today...could be signed before Thanksgiving.
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Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 09:51
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Kristin Bell
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Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 15:13
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When I saw the headline, I thought they were getting the hotdog guy. He was the only Kobayashi I've ever heard of. Hopefully he'll be solid.
From Rotoworld:
Masahide Kobayashi is getting a two-year deal with an option for 2010 from the Indians.
The deal is expected to be officially announced at an afternoon press conference.
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| | | 38 | biliruben
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Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 15:27
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There's only one other Kobayashi I've heard of - and I'm surprised this one didn't occur to you Rendle.
The "villian" in the Usual Suspects.
I gotta put that movie on my netflix Q.
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| | | 39 | Seattle Zen
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Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 16:18
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You do need to get that film from Netflix, Bili, because the guy's name is Keyser Söze
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| | | 40 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 16:22
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Kobayashi was also a character. Played by Pete Postlethwaite.
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Donor
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Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 16:23
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Kobayashi
He was talking about that guy. If the pitchers name was Masahide Keysersoze I definitely would have thought of that movie first.
PS - just saw Trainspotting for the first time over the weekend and it delivered big time.
Back to baseball....
There is news in Cleveland that the Indians are also interested in Miguel Cabrera and Jason Bay but the asking price might be too high. Both teams are interested in Asdrubal Cabrera.
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| | | 42 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 16:26
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And IIRC, the mystery of Keyser Söze's identity was a running theme of the film. I don't recall if the viewer was led to believe Kobayashi might be Keyser Söze.
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| | | 43 | Razor
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Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 16:52
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Keysor Soze was the arch villain, played by Kevin Spacey. Kobayashi was the "name" of his lawyer and advisor. He was not Keysor Soze. I use "name" in quotes because Kobayashi was a fictitious name which Verbal Kint aka Keysor Soze came up with while being interrogated. He made up details of his story by using things he saw in the office. I believe he got Kobayashi from looking at the bottom of the coffee cup that the cop was drinking out of.
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| | | 44 | Khahan
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Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 13:09
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Well, thank god I already saw the movie (about 10 or 12 times). After reading Razors write up, i don't see much point in viewing it. ;) Great movie though.
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| | | 45 | barilko6
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Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:00
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Angels sign Torrie Hunter to a 5 Year 90 Million dollar deal.
Wow. Nice signing in my opinion
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| | | 46 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:24
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I think $18m per ties him with Barry Zito for the 5th highest contract in average annual salary.
Last year Carlos Lee got $100m over 6 years or $16.67m per.
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| | | 47 | barilko6
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Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:31
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I am just thinking that this signing will set up another deal with Matthews Jr.? There is a huge need for CF's out there, and if they can follow this up with dealing Matthews Jr. (who was overpaid) and then dealing some of the farm for Miggy, then things are looking rosy.
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| | | 48 | JTSERB
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Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:08
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Way to much money for Hunter.
Career 271 hitter 341 OBP
Never hit .300 in a season
Only hit over 30 HR's once
Has speed and swipes some bags but also gets caught alot.
Also is a give to stike out 100 times a year.
No nock on his defense it is top notch, but I think his contract is a product of the weak FA's this year than his talent.
Like MITH said 5th highest salary. Would anyone even put him there top 25 players in the league? top 50? I know I wouldnt
Neverthenless Im happy to see him leave the AL central
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| | | 49 | Perm Dude
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Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 20:05
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He's certainly not better than Carlos Lee! I like Hunter, and he's a great clubhouse presence. But they overpaid, no doubt about it.
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Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 12:15
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The Angel's plan will be Hunter in Center, Matthews in Left, Vlad in Right.
Anderson will DH.
Both Willits and Rivera are expected to be traded or released.
That is what I am hearing locally.
They are not done making changes.
Cliff
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Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 17:58
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Alot of baseball news today:
Joe Kennedy dies of unknown causes at 28 years of age.
Twins offer Santana a 4 year 80 million dollar extension. (Barry Zito currently has a 126 million dollar contract.)
The Reds sign Francisco Cordero to a 4 year 46 million dollar contract.
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Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 12:10
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According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Twins LHP Johan Santana rejected a five-year, $93 million offer from the Twins
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Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 12:31
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Santana makes $13 million next year.
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Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 13:08
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Yeah if Torri Hunter and Barry Zito can get $18m per on 5 and 7 year deals, Santana certainly expects to do a bit better than 4 years at $20m per.
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 11:59
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re: Francisco Cordero to the Reds
At least they finally got a legit closer.
(man, I hope Turnbow gets another chance... cause I picked him off the scrap heap in G20 hoping for just this scenario).
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 15:51
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The Twins are close to landing Delmon Young from the Devil Rays in a six-player deal that would send Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett and Juan Rincon to Tampa Bay.
The Twins would also pick up Brendan Harris and Jason Pridie, the Star Tribune's La Velle E. Neal III reports.
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 16:35
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Don't understand that trade at all for the Twins
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 16:35
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WOW! Nice move by the Twins.....is TB making a huge mistake??!? Ok sure they have a glutton of OF types and need SP's, but with McGee, Davis and others up and coming, you'd think they'd have that department covered very soon. Perhaps they soured on Delmon?
Wow.
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| | | 59 | blue hen
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 18:59
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Bartlett is overrated. Good, but overrated.
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| | | 60 | beebop
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 21:12
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And doesnt TB have a Top 15-20 prospect at SS anyway?? Cant remember the guys name though. And as Species said, i think they have 3 SP in the top 30-40 ranked Prospects in the game too. I personally dont see the point here...?
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 21:53
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I don't like that trade for either team on many levels. Something just seems wrong about it.
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| | | 62 | Khahan
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 21:57
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Although, if that trade is true, that means Boston and NYM are out of the Johan Santana hunt (not that I think he'll be traded in the offseason anyway). Both Boston and NYM best offer would include a CF.
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 22:48
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Saw this view of the trade...
"I like this trade from both angles....a lot actually.
The Twins get another big time bat to stick in the middle of the lineup with Morneau and Mauer, and he should lock down right field for a few years at least. They also get Harris who can come in and be a legitimate, young option at shortstop (pretty much what Bartlett was supposed to be). Pridie gives them an interesting outfield prospect with some upside.
The Rays get another great young pitcher with tons of potential to mix in with Kazmir, Shields, Neimann, Price, McGee, Davis, and the litany of other young pitchers they've managed to amass. They also clear up some of the outfield log jam, allowing them an easier time to find ABs for some combination of Crawford, Baldelli (if healthy), Gomez, Dukes, Upton, and others. And they can let Barlett and Zobrist duke it out at short until Brignac is ready in what is likely to be late-2008 or 2009.
That's a great deal that accomplishes quite a bit for both teams, while not really weakening either one in any truly significant way in the short or long term. The key players in the deal on both sides were dealt from positions of youthful strength (Young and TB outfielders, Garza and Minny pitchers)."
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 12:54
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The Red Sox may have taken the lead in the Santana trade sweepstakes with an offer of Coco Crisp, Jed Lowry, Jon Lester and Justin Masterson, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports.
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:20
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I'm not believing anything at all about any 'santana sweepstakes' until its official. So far, everything I've read from the gm's says they are in preliminary talks and exploratory talks. Most of the articles I've read on supposed offers have been journalists throwing out names they think make sense or dropping a rumor they've heard w/out any real back up or a mixture of the 2.
To be honest, I'll be surprised to see Santana move before the allstar break. With Liriano coming back why shouldn't the Twins at least start the season with Santana and see what happens? If they are competitive, they have the ACE to push them into October. If they fall flat, they trade him before the deadline.
I know there are other scenarios and other risks with holding him, but that seems to make the most sense. With that said, the Twins suddenly look like they're retooling. Maybe they're jettisoning anybody they don't think will be with them next year.
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| | | 66 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:43
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I have some trouble with the hype over Lester. His minor league numbers are good but not anything close to what you'd call exceptional and he started in the minors for 6 straight seasons. His major league numbers over his first 144 innings are mediocre. The only game I might have seen him pitch was a shelling at the hands of the Yankees in 2006. I don't recall it but if I did see it perhaps that's part of the reason for my unimpressed disposition.
I'm not familiar with what the scouts say about him but based on paper alone Phil Hughes does look like a more valuable chip.
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:54
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Lets play the move a player game. Easy, simple rules. I'll post a number of players whos names have come up recently. You guess if they will be traded or stay (2 points) and what team they will land on (3 points). So if you had said Delmon Young would be traded to the Orioles you would have gotten 2 points.
Miguel Tejada - Traded to St Louis Cardinals
Coco Crisp - Traded to Texas Rangers
Johan Santana - Stay put
Dan Haren - traded to NYM
Miguel Cabrera - Traded to Angels
Joe Blanton - stay put
Erik Bedard - Traded to Mets
Dontrelle Willis - Stay put
Lastings Milledge - traded to Oakland A's
Mark Prior - stay put
There are a number of other popular names to bandy about, but lets keep it simple to track.
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| | | 68 | Astade
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 21:59
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Khahan, no one wants to play your crappy game ;)
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| | | 69 | Khahan
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 00:32
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I'm starting to get that impression.
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 01:11
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Quite an article in today's LA Times.
Arte Morena basically said they have had a deal they thought twice with Florida to acquire Miggy, and both times the Marlins then wanted more.
Sounds like the Marlins are trying to play the Dodgers against the Angels.
Cliff
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| | | 71 | JTSERB
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:23
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Ill give ya some competition at least :)
Miguel Tejada - Stay Put
Coco Crisp - Traded to White Sox
Johan Santana - Traded To Yankees
Dan Haren - Traded to Boston
Miguel Cabrera - Traded to Angels
Joe Blanton - stay put
Erik Bedard - Traded to Mets
Dontrelle Willis - Stay put
Lastings Milledge - Stay put
Mark Prior - stay put
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:31
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Thanks JTserb. I feel much better about myself now. Somebody took my game seriously!!! It should have been obvious exactly how much time I (didnt) put into it. ;)
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:51
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This is actually a great idea, Khahan. But it's one that requires a bit more research than my casaul interest has led me to so far. If I find the time in the next few days I'll be sure to take a crack at it.
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 09:21
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Miguel Tejada - Astros
Coco Crisp - Braves
Johan Santana - Yankees
Dan Haren - Mets
Miguel Cabrera - Angels
Joe Blanton - stay put
Erik Bedard - stay put
Dontrelle Willis - Phillies
Lastings Milledge - A's
Mark Prior - stay put
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 09:38
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Don't have time at the moment to go through the entire list, but can say with conviction that the Braves won't be trading for Crisp. Wren and Cox liked what they saw on their trip to Arizona a couple weeks ago so much that I'm now "convinced" that Jordan Schafer will be in CF in the ATL by the break. The trade to get Anderson from Houston was to provide an open competition for the stopgap guy, or bridge to Jordan. Schafer COULD win the job outright with a big spring, but the feeling is that they want him to spend a little time in Mississippi (AA) to solidify the decision (in the organization's minds) that he's really "ready". Anderson, Gregor Blanco, even Francoeur or Lillibridge could bridge that gap without needing to give up any valuable talent for a rental like Coco. Considering the lack of production the team received from the CF position last season, those would all be better options than giving up anything of value for a couple months worth of anyone. Besides, a full year of Teixeira would more than offset any drop in production from last year to any of the guys presently on the roster - most of the guys I listed can produce what Andruw did during the first half last season.
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 10:33
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re 66:
I totally agree...That Boston package doesn't look anywhere near as nice as some of the other rumored deals out there.
Unless Jacoby is included from Boston, if I were the Twins, I would say no deal.
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ID: 1949205
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 10:35
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Kaz Matsui almost a Houston Astro, and David Riske almost a Brewer.
Milwaukee wouldn't get Riske to close would they? That seems dangerous.
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ID: 221026129
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 10:45
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J - dontrelle willis to the phillies is certainly interesting. Would the Marlins be willing to trade with a division rival, though? I wouldn't mind seeing that. I missed my chance at a playoff game in my hometown this year. I could only think Willis will increase the Phils chances to repeat.
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ID: 1949205
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 10:49
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Miguel Tejada - Stays Put
Coco Crisp - Traded to San Diego
Johan Santana - Traded To Yankees (But during the season)
Dan Haren - Stays Put
Miguel Cabrera - Traded to Dodgers
Joe Blanton - Mets
Erik Bedard - Stays Put
Dontrelle Willis - Stays put
Lastings Milledge - Traded to Oakland
Mark Prior - stay put
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| | | 80 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 11:45
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Miguel Tejada - Cardinals
Coco Crisp - Phillies (ugh)
Johan Santana - Yankees (in-season)
Dan Haren - Mets
Miguel Cabrera - Angels
Joe Blanton - Yankees
Erik Bedard - no move
Dontrelle Willis - Rangers
Lastings Milledge - Pirates
Mark Prior - Braves
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Leader
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 11:47
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Khahan - as long as they get prospects they dont care. Remember they traded LoDuca and Delgado to the Mets 2 years ago. And Piazza came over to the Mets from the Marlins as well.
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 12:47
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The Rays? As in, a "ray of sunshine?" They sound so very tough.
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Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 13:26
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Lastings Millidge was traded to the Nationals for Brian Schnieder and Ryan Church.
Seriously.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 13:31
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WTF?!?!
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| | | 86 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 13:31
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Wow.
His stock sure fell.
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| | | 87 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 15:38
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Sure, those guys aren't Barry Zito, but wasn't Church pretty awesome a while back?
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| | | 88 | Rendle
ID: 061869
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 16:09
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The Indians traded Church and some other dude for Scott Stewart who started blowing saves like it was his job.
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ID: 2710413011
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 16:14
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Yeah, before he played a game for them they moved him to get Stewart. The Tribe then moved Stewart to the Dodgers, I believe, after Stewart had an ERA over 7 for them.
He was a high K pitcher (and a very good K/BB ratio, as I recall) but it was all moot because hitters were teeing off on him. Ks and BBs only matter if you can get the ball past the hitters.
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ID: 486552412
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 20:34
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And we have a score. Many of us picked Milledge to be traded. None of us picked the right team.
Khahan 2
JTSerb: 0
Barilko6: 2
Blue Hen: 2
Still time to jump in.
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Donor
ID: 487112814
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 03:23
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From article in 82:
"We are now the 'Rays' - a beacon that radiates throughout Tampa Bay and across the entire state of Florida," said Stuart Sternberg, the team's principal owner.
How touching.
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:49
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Miguel Tejada - Cardinals
Coco Crisp - Padres
Johan Santana - Yankees
Dan Haren - Red Sox
Miguel Cabrera - Angels
Joe Blanton - Mariners
Erik Bedard - Braves
Dontrelle Willis - Stays put (no one will value him highly enough to offer anything close to what FLA will ask for.)
Lastings Milledge - Too late
Mark Prior - Padres
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 15:04
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BTW, IF Hughes really is in the deal and Minnesota takes it, be prepared to deal with them as a contender for a long time.
CF- Cabrera
RF- Young
C- Mauer
LF- Cuddyer
1B- Morneau
DH- Kubel
3B- Punto
SS- Harris
2B- Casilla
SP- Hughes
SP- Liriano
SP- Bonser
SP- Baker
SP- Slowey
*ell, if they had the guts, they could even trade Nathan for Andy Marte and Josh Barfield and let Neshek close now.
Talk about young, inexpensive, and under control for years? Eat your heart out Billy Beane, you've got nothing on me!!!
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Donor
ID: 014815714
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:43
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Oh god, please take Barfield and Marte.
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Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:53
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clv, where did you hear about the Indians/Twins trade? I have a hard time believing they would trade with a division rival.
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 19:23
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Just said if they had the guts. No rumor there, sorry. Was just looking at teams they matched up well to trade for a couple more young guys to go with what Twins already have. Barfield and Marte would be better than what the Twins have IMO. To convince them to trade to a division rival likely would cost more than just those two,
Was just pointing out how quickly and easily they could have a very cheap team under control for the forseeable future if indeed they do clean house.
All just me speculating on a boring Saturday...didn't mean to get anyone fired up...sorry rendle.
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| | | 97 | Perm Dude
ID: 2710413011
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 19:56
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I don't know about the Twins' trading philosophy, but the Tribe has had no trouble rolling the dice on trades.
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Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:03
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Although the local paper has mentioned the Indians are in the running for Miguel Cabrera or Jason Bay with Asdrubal Cabrera being the centerpiece in each trade, I just don't see that happening. Indians want to keep him so Barfield is very expendable but not very valuable. (Maybe they can get Kevin Kouzmanoff for him?)
I have heard that the Giants are interested in Marte who has shown nothing in Cleveland while Blake has been pretty serviceable.
Bottom line, biggest thing would be to re-sign regular season cy young CC Sabathia. Adding a right handed bat would be nice though. What is the asking price for Bay right now?
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Donor
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Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:17
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Baseball insiders told the Boston Herald that talks between the Pirates and Indians regarding Jason Bay have heated up.
Kelly Shoppach apparently would be involved in the deal, but his was the only name the Herald had. Other possibilities include outfielder Trevor Crowe, third baseman Andy Marte and top pitching prospects Adam Miller and Chuck Lofrgen. Perhaps the Pirates would also be interested in Josh Barfield if they thought Freddy Sanchez would bring in a top prospect or two. Dec. 2 - 12:18 am et
Source: Boston Herald
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Dude
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Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 13:22
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Jason Bay would be a perfect fit for the Indians to offset all of their left handed power. A top 5 of Sizemore, Cabrera (although he could/should be a part of this deal), Hafner, Victor and Bay would be DEADLY.
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| | | 101 | barilko6
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Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 15:00
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D-Backs trade Carlos Quentin to the White Sox for a minor leaguer.
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Donor
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Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 15:09
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The Dodgers have offered Andruw Jones a 2 year deal.
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Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 15:49
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Washington gets Elijah Dukes from TB for a minor leaguer from Tampa.
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Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 16:55
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Miguel Tejada - no move
Coco Crisp - Pirates
Johan Santana - no move (this offseason)
Dan Haren - no move
Miguel Cabrera - Angels
Joe Blanton - Mets
Erik Bedard - no move
Dontrelle Willis - no move
Lastings Milledge - Too late
Mark Prior - Brewers
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| | | 106 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 17:10
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ESPN has a "blog" with various reporters floating tidbits that they claim to hear. This one startles me:
3:09 p.m., from Steve Phillips
• The Pirates and Indians are talking about a potential Jason Bay trade. Pittsburgh would get catcher Kelly Shoppach and left-hander Cliff Lee for the two-time All-Star.
Hopefully this is just poorly worded and what he meant to say was that the package would START with those two players! Certainly Jason Bay is worth more than an average/maybe slightly above average catcher and a talented but enigmatic starter?!?!????
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Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 17:22
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I don't think this was mentioned yet. Cards signed Cesar Izturis to play SS. Also reportedly shopping Rolen/Duncan to the Rangers for Blalock.
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ID: 3611111522
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 03:25
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Cesar Izturis. How exciting. He hit .258 with 16 RBI in 318 AB last year.
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The rumors that they might be interested in Pedro Feliz don't make me feel too good either.
Not sure if Blalock would be much better. Whatever pop he has in his bat, it may not translate over into the National League very well.
Hope this new GM knows what he's doing.
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| | | 109 | barilko6
ID: 6112246
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 07:22
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Red Sox are veryclose to getting Santana, medical reports were being exchanged late last night on Lester and Johan....
Beckett, Johan, Dice K, Schilling......wow
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| | | 110 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 08:29
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Royals sign suspended Jose Guillen to a 3 year, 36 Million dollar deal.
Wow.
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| | | 111 | Khahan
ID: 561119313
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 09:55
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I'll be curious to see how the 'players manager' Terry Francona handles Beckett/Santana. Who will be presented as the staff ace? Who will be the opening day starter and the face of the Sox pitching staff.
Surely Beckett has earned those rights. But will Santana be happy with second fiddle? I have no idea what his ego is like,if any when it comes to these kinds of things.
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| | | 112 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:06
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Boras called the Royals to see if they are interested in Andruw Jones...
How funny is that? Obviously a very transparent ploy to get more years from the Dodgers, no?
Link
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ID: 15023167
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:20
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Rotoworld is reporting that the Dodgers GM said talks with Jones are dead.
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| | | 114 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:55
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Apparently the Mets are close to acquiting Erik Bedard.
Also, ESPN Radio 1000 reports that the Cubs have traded Omar Infante and Will Ohman to the Braves for Jose Ascanio.
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Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:10
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Report: Twins, Red Sox ready to resume talks
The Boston Herald reports that the Twins and Red Sox are expected to "resume serious negotiations" Tuesday morning, with Minnesota said to be deciding between two different trade packages for Johan Santana.
One package is reportedly Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Justin Masterson and Jed Lowrie, while the other is believed to be Jacoby Ellsbury, Lowrie and Masterson. The latter would be seem to be a better long-term fit for the Twins, but Minnesota apparently likes Lester an awful lot after being satisfied with his health following a Monday night look at his medical records. Dec. 4 - 11:01 am et
Source: Boston Herald
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Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:16
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I'm fine with moving Ellsbury, Lester etc in this deal. But from a Red Sox perspective, doesn't the Lester/Crisp one make A LOT more sense? If they do the Ellsbury one then they have like 7 starting pitchers, no?
If I'm Theo, I'm pushing the Lester/Crisp headlined offer - and maybe tack on one more random prospect that'll seal the deal. Its just like in our little fantasy world - if I'm this close to landing whoever it is, screw it - tell me what you want to get the deal done and lets do it.
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Donor
ID: 014815714
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:24
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The Rays turned down the Mariners' offer of a Ben Broussard-for-Edwin Jackson trade, according to the Seattle Times.
It's possible that Broussard could be non-tendered later this month, while Jackson figures to have a spot in Tampa Bay's rotation after finishing the season with a strong second half.
This one made me laugh. Broussard is at best a mediocre platoon player and Edwin used to be King Edwin.
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| | | 118 | Seward Norse
ID: 297412913
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:27
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GO - I agree. They need to get this done. Santana is really THAT good.
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Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:03
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Rotoworld: Mets Close to Bedard
Dang. I'd like to get Bedard, too. I did not know he was on the market...interesting to see what happens here...
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ID: 5610442715
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:06
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How will Santana's numbers be in Fenway? Any speculation of the Green Monster will make his dingers rise even more?
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| | | 121 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:08
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Re 119:
Not to toot my own horn, but I will, I had posted that already in 114!
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ID: 2530286
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:11
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Oooop, sorry about that, barilko6.
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ID: 49112418
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:28
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Royals sign suspended Jose Guillen to a 3 year, 36 Million dollar deal.
Well, the Royals are becoming the rich retirement home of overpaid former Mariners.
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ID: 297412913
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:41
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I don't think Santana's 6.89 ERA at Fenway means a whole lot. Not a big enough sample size.
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| | | 125 | Perm Dude
ID: 3112549
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:46
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I agree. Particularly since he was on the visiting team, and getting no fan support during those games.
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ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:00
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Something interesting:
The Tigers and trying to get both Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis from the Marlins and could offer both Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.
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Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:19
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Right now the talks are being just talks and no kind of offers. Also DD has said he doesn't want to part with Maybin, but for those two it would be worth it.
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ID: 297412913
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:37
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The Tigers lineup with Cabrera in the middle of it would resemble the Yankees All-Star cast from a few years back.
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| | | 129 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:56
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The Boston Herald reports that the A’s and Diamondbacks have had constructive talks about a deal which would send Dan Haren to Arizona and Conor Jackson and Carlos Gonzalez along with two more players to Oakland.
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ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 15:12
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New Bedard News!!!
WFAN is reporting on a possible trade of Erik Bedard to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp and Jonathan Broxton.
ESPN is reporting that the two sides are close. It's a fair return, though we wouldn't be surprised to see the Orioles hold out for a fairly valuable third piece. Broxton would close in Baltimore, while Kemp would be an option both in center and left.
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ID: 561119313
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 15:54
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On the J. Santana front:
3:28 p.m., from Peter Gammons
• The Twins and Red Sox are getting closer to finalizing a Johan Santana deal. Boston has sweetened its offer by adding a fifth player to the the offer -- outfield prospect Ryan Kalish, a ninth-round draft pick in the 2006 out of Red Bank Catholic High School (Shrewsbury, N.J.).
This is presumably the package that includes Lester and coco crisp, not elsbury. I'd be very happy with that.
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Leader
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Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 16:10
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I don't understand why the Twins are ok with not getting at least one of Ellsbury or Buccholz in this deal. Why accept a bunch of bums in Coco and Lester???
As for Bedard...his injury history scares me too much, I wouldn't give up a whole lot for him.
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Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:35
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This from Rotoworld:
Baseball Prospectus' Will Carroll reports that the Red Sox and Twins are all but done with a Johan Santana deal that includes Jon Lester, Justin Masterson and Ryan Kalish.
Carroll cryptically says that the second player in the deal is a center fielder without naming either Coco Crisp or Jacoby Ellsbury. The talk all day has been that'd be both Lester and Crisp together or Ellsbury in a deal.
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ID: 1949205
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:42
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FoxSports - The Blue Jays are willing to trade outfielder Alex Rios in a deal for a premium starting pitcher and have talked to the Giants about Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain. The Giants are reluctant to move either pitcher but would consider a hitter such as Rios, who is three years away from free agency.
If the Jays traded Rios, they likely would go with Adam Lind in left field and a platoon of Reed Johnson and Matt Stairs in right. Some Jays' officials believe that Lind would bat .270 with 20-25 home runs if he were given 500 at-bats.
Toronto has also been talking to Baltimore about Erik Bedard, offering some of its young pitching in return
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Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:47
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RE: 108 Hope this new GM knows what he's doing.
My thoughts exactly. Not impressing me so far.
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Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:35
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Wow. Per ESPN's "Blog":
All times ET 6:20 p.m., from Peter Gammons
• The Tigers have won the Miguel Cabrera sweepstakes. Detroit acquired Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for six players -- Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, catcher Mike Rabelo and three minor league prospects.
I'm very interested in the other three prospects, but on the surface I'd say Florida did very well. Will this shove the Angels into the Santana sweepstakes?!?!??
From DET's perspective, I think it's awesome. Way to have some cajones, Dombrowski!
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| | | 137 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 19:01
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I'd take Miller and Maybin on my team. But not for Ryan Howard and Cole Hamels.
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ID: 259112010
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 19:09
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Howard > Cabrera
Hamels > Willis
I have a feeling the Tigers just got hosed...but I'm also curious about the other 3 prospects.
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Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 20:39
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Other 3 players in the deal are all RHP.
From RotoWorld
In addition to Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo, the Marlins will get three right-handers in the Miguel Cabrera-Dontrelle Willis trade: Dallas Trahern, Eulogio De La Cruz and Burke Badenhop.
Excluding Rick Porcello, who was ineligible to be traded, Trahern and De La Cruz were the Tigers' top remaining pitching prospects. Trahern is a future middle-of-the-rotation starter, while De La Cruz profiles as a setup man or maybe a closer. Badenhop, like Trahern, is a sinkerballer with a modest strikeout rate. He has a chance to stick as a starter, but he's not quite as good of a bet.
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ID: 301151110
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 21:58
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I'd take Miller and Maybin on my team. But not for Ryan Howard and Cole Hamels.
Howard and Hamels are cheap. Willis and Cabrera are not and are about to get very expensive, especially for a franchise with no money. I'd love to Cabrera and Willis, but not if it meant giving up a package that included Billingsley, Loney and more.
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ID: 45301312
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 23:08
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As a lifelong Tigers fan, I'm not entirely sure I like this deal, but I admire the huge swingin' cojones required to make it. I think the long-term outlook on this deal depends a lot on which Dontrelle Willis shows up.
The nice thing about this is that, while Maybin and Miller were great prospects, it's not exactly like Cabrera and Willis are over-the-hill scrubs: they-re only 24 and 25 years old themselves. Sure, they'll be horribly expensive come free agency--but by then the Sheffield, Pudge Rodriguez, and Rogers contracts should go off the books.
I do like the projected lineup this season:
Granderson
Polanco
Cabrera
Ordonez
Sheffield
Guillen
Renteria
Pudge
Inge (3B) or J. Jones/Thames (OF)
Pudge had a bit of an off-year last season, but at that he hit .281 and slugged .420. That's a decent #8 hitter. And it's not like the rotation sucks. Assuming they can get to the playoffs, Willis wouldn't even need to be in form with Verlander/Bonderman/Rogers around.
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Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 01:46
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Howard > Cabrera? Are you sure about that. Cabrera is 4 years younger. About the only advantage Howard has is SLG%, and even that isn't a wide margin (.584 vs .568 in 2007).
Baseball Prospectus has Cabrera about 6 wins better over the past two seasons. That rating includes defense, where Cabrera is obviously more valuable. Even if you just look at EQA which doesn't account for defense, 2007 was a better year for Cabrera (.319 vs .310).
So Cabrera is younger, plays a more important position, gets on base more often and hits for almost as much power.
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Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 01:54
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As huge Tiger fan I love the deal, although I hate to see Maybin go because he is the real deal. There are about six players who I would have traded Maybin for: Pujols, A-Rod, Wright, Reyes, Sizemore, Cabrera, and Hanley Ramirez.
I'm not as excited about the Willis for Miller portion of the package. I do think some of the prospect luster wore off Miller last season. He really couldn't throw anything other than his fastball for strikes. Obviously there is still plenty of time for that to turn around, he just isn't as highly regarded today as last offseason.
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Donor
ID: 014815714
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 09:35
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As an Indians fan, this scares me to death. Only 3 playoff spots available for the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, and Indians. (That's also considering no teams get considerably better.)
Indians might be forced to push harder for Jason Bay now because that Tigers team looks pretty stacked.
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ID: 16322314
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 09:57
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I think that Cabrera > Howard given their ages and the fact that Cabrera can play third, albeit not so well.
This is a pretty good deal both ways, although I'd have tried to separate the two players if I were the Marlins. But I'm not so sure that would have led to a bigger haul.
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ID: 186293016
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 09:58
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missed this, but i think i can still catch up
Miguel Tejada - Marlins
Coco Crisp - Twins
Johan Santana - Red Sox
Dan Haren - no move
Miguel Cabrera - Too Late
Joe Blanton - Yankees
Erik Bedard - Mariners
Dontrelle Willis - Too Late
Lastings Milledge - Too Late
Mark Prior - no move
id also like to add a question and a proposal.
first the question, for the players that end up not moving, would that be worth 5 points since you would technically be getting the team right?
the proposal is for another round of this, there is easily 10 more names that we could throw in that have been rumored in the last day or two. hughes, bay, andruw, et cetera. if anyone thinks they have some good ideas, i think they should set something up, if not, i probably will later after a bit more thought.
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| | | 147 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 11:31
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On the Jays Local Radio:
San Fran is looking at Alex Rios. They have offered Tim Lincecum and the Jays want Matt Cain. I wouldn't have figured Cain's value was greater than that of Lincecum.
Also, the Jays might be close to signing Kenny Lofton to a one year deal.
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Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 11:38
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If I were the Jays I couldn't say yes fast enough for a Lincecum-Rios swap!!!!
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| | | 149 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 12:46
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RotoWorld is saying that the Jays are going home without making the (or any other major) deal.
I guess the Jays think they can have as powerful a lineup as the Sox or Yankees. What other reason would they stick with a bat over an arm?
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| | | 150 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 00:13
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That Jays Cain/Lincecum rumor sounds a little backwards...I think Lincecum surely has more value than Cain.
If I was SF I would trade Cain for Rios...
If I was the Jays I would trade Rios for Linecum in a sec...
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 02:28
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2 years $36M for Andrew Jones to teh Dodgers.
Now let me get this straight. Did the Dodgers consider his near Mendoza-like average at a hitters park last year? I can only imagine how that's going to look at pitcher-friendly Chavez Ravine. I mean LA needs power and Pierre is a huge liability in center, but hard to produce power when you can't make (solid) contact and so now what you have a liability in left field now with Pierre?
I know Jones is only like 30 but I am still surprised at the amount of this deal. AJ better figure out a way to get back to his numbers of a few years ago for the Dodgers' sake.
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| | | 152 | Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 08:55
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curious what Razor's thoughts are on that one...
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ID: 16322314
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 09:49
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First of all, according to some source or other, Chavez Ravine had a Park Factor of 1.053 last year. Turner Field, meanwhile, had a Park Factor of 0.912. Most of you know what that means, but for the rest, it means that Jones played in a pitchers' park last year and moves into a stadium that was a hitters' park last year.
That said, Andruw has decent power and is a good outfielder albeit overrated. You can do worse, and it's not like he got a Carlos Lee deal. If he were still hitting 40 homers a year, he'd probably have gotten four of five additional years at about the same price.
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ID: 16322314
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 09:56
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By the way, I value Cain above Lincecum only because he's done more with the strikeouts and has a little more experience. If they're really shopping Cain and falling just short of Rios, I would think they'd be interested in Pat Burrell. I would definitely let Pat the Bat go in a deal for Cain.
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ID: 1949205
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 10:15
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The Jays were concerned that Lincecum wouldn't hold up longterm, which is why they were aiming for Cain.
As for Andruw, I don't think its that bad for the Dodgers, they managed to sign him for only two years, meaning they aren't committing too much to him. (Comparitively speaking)
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ID: 5611369
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 10:19
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Guess I should update the standards in our game:
Khahan 4
JTSerb: 2
J: 6
Barilko6: 4
Blue Hen: 6
Clv: 2
Nerfherders: 2
Filthy: 0
Additional names to add that have come up recently (and to give our late comers a chance to catch up some):
Rich Hill - no move
Scott Rolen - San Fran Giants
Brian Roberts - no move (I've seen him discussed on 3 seperate trades but have not heard much buzz about them)
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ID: 16322314
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 10:27
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I wish I'd been right about Milledge. I knew he was going to go to a small budget NL team with no offense to speak of.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 13:57
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Andrew's contract is the 5th highest in the history of the game. He's gianed so much weight that it has limited his range and just because the Braves couldn't hit and the Dodgers could (albeit not for power) doesn't mean that Dodger Stadium has suddenly turned into a hitter's park. The pitching also has something to do with that too.
I am just shocked at the size of the contract.
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| | | 159 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 14:00
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790 AM in Houston is reporting that the Astros are close to acquiring Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for Adam Everett, Chris Burke and a pitcher.
Man has his value dropped...
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| | | 160 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 14:10
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Ref, that's park factor. Dodger Stadium was a hitters' park in 2007.
And you mean 5th highest per year, right? It's only $36 million - Gil Meche got about $20 million more than that, right?
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 14:29
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Right, avg. $18M/year.
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| | | 162 | barilko6
ID: 1949205
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 15:13
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I tend to think this is actually a good deal for the Dodgers. They are only committed for two years, so its not like they have a big anchor tied to their future.
Sure its for $18 mil per year, but if they have the money, great. Its a short term deal on a guy who will give you .260 avg, 30 HR's, 110 RBI's, and cover a lot of the space in a big outfield at Chavez.
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ID: 3311111119
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 20:48
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Wow. Per ESPN's "Blog":
All times ET 6:20 p.m., from Peter Gammons
• The Tigers have won the Miguel Cabrera sweepstakes. Detroit acquired Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for six players -- Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, catcher Mike Rabelo and three minor league prospects.
Woa Woa Woa...when did this happen? Don't go throwing these kind of rumors around from a weak source like that "Peter Gammons" fellow, he doesn't even write for a newspaper.
Very pleased with the move. I'm a big Andrew Miller Fan and am sad to see him go but you have to love adding Cabrera and I'm not so sure Jason Grilli would have gotten the deal done.
I can see Cabrera getting a nice long term deal from the Tigers and being a superstar here for the next ten. Kenny, Pudge, and Mags are coming off the books over the next couple years and locking up the young talent (Miggy, JV, Curtis, Bondo, a healthy Joel Zumaya (is there such a thing) etc) will be the Tiger's next priority.
Willis adds another quality left throwing armed starter to an already strong starting rotation. Although he had a career high in Earned Runs Averaged per 9 innings pitched, an excited Dontrelle Willis will flourish in the expansive confines of Comerica Park. Not to mention the strong offensive support.
Leyland likes to mix and match starting pitchers either by going Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, or going with a power arm followed by a soft tosser. Adding Willis gives Leyland another toy to play with in his rotation.
Tigers Weakness
Yep, you know it, I know it, your grandma knows it (she reads the paper, she really does know). The Tigers weakness now is the BP. Zumaya going down, takes the hardest throwing arm in the majors off the diamond for at least half the year and the off-season signing of Todd Jones assures the Tigers of having a closer with an ERA close to 5.
other than that, I'm thrilled.
Go Tigs!
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Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 23:23
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It's going to be a big crap shoot of who's going to end up in the pen to start the year. So many people with chances and only a few spots locked down.
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ID: 491137128
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 09:44
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Some More Signings:
Fukudome signs with the Cubs
Kuroda signs with the Dodgers
Iguchi signs with the Padres.
Its an all Japanese signing day!
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:00
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re 162
barilko, he was making like $12-13M last year and was horrid. The Braves refused to even talk to him for a new contract. So then he gets this huge raise? Was he on the juice in the past?
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ID: 491137128
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:21
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I don't know...I guess we will see.
I just think that a two year deal isn't too much of a committment for a guy like Jones. The Dodgers were very good getting men on base last year, but struggled bringing them in to score.
Andruw admittedly had a bad year last year, but if he were to have signed before the year started, I think he would have commanded the same amount of money per year, but for 5 or 6 years.
If the Dodgers are wrong, they are wealthy enough to endure a short two year contract.
That being said, are the Brewers wealthy enough to spend $10 million on a suspect Eric Gagne?
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ID: 053272014
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:06
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According to the Baltimore Sun, the Astros have acquired Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for LHP Troy Patton, OF Luke Scott, RHP Matt Albers, RHP Dennis Sarfate and 3B Michael Costanzo.
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Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:07
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According to the Baltimore Sun, SS Miguel Tejada has been traded to the Astros for OF Luke Scott, RHP Matt Albers, Troy Patton and Dennis Sarfate, and 3B Michael Costanzo.
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Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:07
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damn link took me too long :)
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Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 17:01
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The hapless, clueless, ridiculous San Francisco Giants sign CF Aaron Rowand to a 5-year, $60M deal.
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ID: 501035289
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 19:47
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The saddest part is that Rowand is the best hitter on that club now.
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Donor
ID: 014815714
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 20:39
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ALOT of talk on the radio today about the Indians going after Danny Haren. Basically, they would give up their best minor league prospect, Adam Miller, and Cliff Lee, Barfield, Gutierrez as well as other prospects would be available(Ben Francisco, Trevor Crowe).
I'd love it to happen but don't want to get too excited after the Jason Bay talks never turned into anything. The Indians might force something after the Detroit trade though. A front three of CC, Haren, and Carmona would be sick.
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Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 23:31
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Rowand is a huge bargain for SF considering what Torii Hunter got.
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ID: 129202215
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 07:42
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hapless, clueless, ridiculous...
That's starting to sound like a good description of the Cardinals. On their list of things to do in 2008, winning is #72, right below sell more pretzels.
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ID: 491137128
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:24
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Reports on Toronto sports radio is that the Jays are close to signing David Eckstein.
That's too bad, I think almost everyone here fell in love with what Johnny Mac could do with the glove and were ok with having him as our starting SS in 2008.
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Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:21
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Johnny Mac is awesome. Robbie Alomar said he was the best shortstop he's ever played with. He said that when he was in Cleveland starting with Omar Vizquel.
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Donor
ID: 014815714
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 18:26
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Haren to the Diamondbacks
Valverde to the Astros
LAME
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| | | 179 | barilko6
ID: 6112246
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 09:10
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I don't totally understand the Valverde trade. If you are going to go out and trade away a package for Danny Haren, shouldn't you at least have a closer lined up for your championship run?
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| | | 180 | barilko6
ID: 6112246
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 09:16
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Also the San Diego Padres jus acquired Jim Edmonds from St. Louis for pretty much nothing.
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Donor
ID: 014815714
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 09:45
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Someone on ESPN said it was basically part of the trade because they were clearing salary to afford Haren since the prospects leaving were making very little.
Who's the favorite to close now? Lyon?
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ID: 201155199
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 10:33
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I'd expect Qualls to get a shot at closing.
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ID: 129202215
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 11:37
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I believe Valverde has always been considered a high injury risk because of his throwing motion.
I'd say good move for the Cards in dumping Edmonds (thnx for the great seasons Jimmy) except that I'm not totally convinced that the Cards plan to spend the money that they saved. Could be slash and burn ala Florida Marlins. How can a team with such great fan support put out such little effort in fielding a winning team? Pretty sure I hate current ownership.
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ID: 271072614
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 13:50
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I really don't think its a bad thing to move Valverde while his value is high, but would hope they have a plan for the closer spot.
Qualls, Lyon, and Cruz all have a shot, but I would think they would want a proven commodity.
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ID: 5911351713
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:40
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Josh Hamilton to Texas for Edinson Volquez and another minor league arm. If it weren't for Texas desperate need for arms, I'd say it was a great deal for both sides. Considering this clears the way for Jay Bruce this spring, I'd have to say it's a definite win for the Reds.
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| | | 186 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:15
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Volquez was once highly regarded, but I'm pretty sure Hamilton has passed him.
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ID: 4110481415
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:37
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Hamilton could be a beast in Texas if he stays healthy...of course Cinci was also a nice place to be a hitter.
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ID: 5911351713
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:18
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Rumblings I'm hearing are that Cincy's a little leery of Josh's ability to stay healthy (considering the hopefully always former addictions), and that with Narron and his brother no longer with the organization they're also understandably concerned that the "father figures" who helped him to adjust comfortably being absent could lead to less resistance to temptations and urges.
I certainly hope both worries are unfounded...I was living in Raleigh, NC when he was drafted #1 out of Athens Drive HS, and honestly thought his return was arguably the best story in baseball last season.
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ID: 344311322
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 19:20
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Mark Prior signs with San Diego...1 year...1 million...talk about a shooting star...his career was over as soon as it started.
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Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 21:09
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Here is the rest of the Prior story.
San Diego is hoping bringing him home might help him out.
Buster Olney, of ESPN The Magazine, reports the San Diego Padres signed free-agent SP Mark Prior (Cubs) to a one-year deal with a $1 million base salary. The contract contains incentives that could make the value of the deal over $3 million.
Cliff
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Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 21:50
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Wow, so $4mil is the max he will get paid, definitely worth the risk!
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| | | 192 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 14:22
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White Sox have acquired Nick Swisher for Gio Gonzalez and two others.
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Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 14:32
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Nice move by Chicago. Fire sale in Oakland! Fire sale in Oakland!
So where is Rich Harden going? Actually, I'm sure Beane's plan is to let him increase his value by pitching and being healthy (no small feat for him, sadly) and dealing him during the year.
A's also got OF Ryan Sweeney, kind of a tweener outfielder whose power has yet to really develop.
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Donor
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 15:54
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I'm a Sox fan and I don't like this deal at all.
1. We didn't sign Rowand. So we traded for a poor man's Rowand.
2. We traded our #5 pitcher for him. Ryan Sweeney was also quite good. Gio Gonzalez on the other hand was our top prospect.
I would rather have thrown some cash at Rowand and kept our 2 prospects. It's not like the Sox don't have the cash to toss around. Do it Kenny!
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| | | 195 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 16:22
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I think Swisher and Rowand are pretty comparable, although they have different skill sets. My team, by the way, traded Gio Gonzalez for Freddy Garcia and could now use Swisher (and Eric Chavez, who the A's would probably have thrown in).
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Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 16:46
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Well, the more I've looked at it I do like it from Oakland's perspective. I didn't know De Los Santos was CHW's #2 pitching prospect, so that's nice.
But, keep in mind Swisher is one year removed from a 35 HR, 95 RBI, 106 run season and only just turned 27 years old. He has outstanding plate discipline and .375+ OBP's should be standard for him going forward. He's signed for 5 more years for only $26.75 million, so at under $5.5 million for 'prime' years, he has an attractive contract too. IMO, with the protection in that lineup and in HR-friendly US Cellular Field, a 30 HR season seems more than reasonable. I think his HR decline in 2007 was at least partially attributable to the lack of protection in the drab Oakland lineup.
Sweeney is young and talented, but is he really anything more than a Randy Winn type of outfielder at best? A little pop mixed in with some speed and defense? Nothing in his minor league resume suggests stardom although over these last 2 years scouts have always liked him.
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ID: 5911351713
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:00
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The question is, does this mean Blanton is next and Gonzalez goes into the rotation?
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ID: 1302231
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 19:01
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In other news, Matt Clement signs with the Cardinals.
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ID: 486552412
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 20:40
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Cardinals make another move, trading Rolen to Toronto for Troy Glaus.
Story on espn here.
Guess I shoudl update the points
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ID: 16322314
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 16:24
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Yankees sign Morgan Ensberg. I heard they're planning to flip him for Pedro Feliz.
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ID: 16322314
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 16:57
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And Mariners sign Brad Wilkerson
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ID: 454491514
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 17:08
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A coworker reminded me that Shelly Duncan was hospitalized with a blood clot last year. Wonder if the Ensberg signing might be related at all to any lingering concern over that.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 12:00
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I love the deal Baltimore got for Bedard.
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| | | 204 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 16:43
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Post 202: Please keep Yankees chatter out of this thread.
Phillies sign Kris Benson
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ID: 454491514
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 16:46
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Please accept my apologies. Don't know what ever could have prompted me to post on that topic here.
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Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 10:39
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When I saw the word "apologies" I just automatically assumed you were apologizing that the Philthies had to sink to signing Anna Benson's husband!
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| | | 207 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 10:51
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Well wait a minute. The alternatives are Adam Eaton and Chad Durbin. I'd rather have Mark Eaton. Or the other Mark Eaton.
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ID: 5911351713
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 13:37
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Good Morning!
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| | | 209 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 14:13
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AWESOME. We'll have to change the name of this thread.
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| | | 210 | Seward Norse
ID: 297412913
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 15:23
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Great day!
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 17:03
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Re: [82]
Not to be outdone, the Marlins plan on changing their name to the Miami Marlins once their new ballpark plans are ratified.
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