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Subject: Gurupie 20 2008 Pre-Season Discussion

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 15:51

Previous Thread

Ok men, invites are out. I sent them via CBS mass mailing so check your spam if you didn't get it.

In the previous thread I mentioned that Cards was going to have to give up his treasury duties for G20 baseball. He informed me today that he was going to have to give up his commish duties as well. His job is becoming increasingly demanding, but he definitely is going to keep his team. He also plans to continue to be treasurer for G24.

Tosh was nominated to take Cards spot and he has agreed to help out. Tosh has already been working with us on this minors thing that CBS has added and he knows CBS really well and commishs his own keeper league using the site. I have asked Cards to keep commish privs (with Species and now Tosh) for emergencies only. In the next few weeks Species and I have some things going on that will be taking our time and attention away from the computer for large blocks of time/day(s).

Please re-read the rules on the league site. Even though they seem long, Tosh informs me that they aren't even close to the detailed rules his league uses. I have to re-read them several times per year myself. Tosh's main concern about coming in and helping out was that he'd have to make a ruling on something he wasn't sure about--or perhaps give bad advice. Hopefully that will not be an issue.

As a reminder, now is the time for any new rule tweaks or proposals. (Prospect changes can also be made prior to that draft). There have been none thus far that I can remember. If we can add minors to our players page it will be discussed but it will be simply admin and will not need a vote. (We're basically seeing if we can add our prospects to our own team page that won't affect the league constraints).

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 15:53

Btw, bmd is out of the country and won't be back until next week to get that plaque sent back and engraved. Cards needs to get those expenses reimbursed and needs to talk to a couple managers before he can finalize what is on file.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 16:34

Thanks for the vote of confidence Ref. My main emphasis as asst. Commish will be to get steroids and greenies back into the locker rooms. Chicks dig the long ball!

Are you ready for some baseball!!!

Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:41

I don't know about steroids but my dogs are for Greenies.

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 00:08

Minor trade...

I get some scrub named Johan Santana

R9 gets some scrubs named Abreu, Mauer and Granderson and some shitty 2nd rounder

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 00:10

Was pretty sure I was trading Ervin Santana, but whatever. Either works.

Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 00:14

Congrats to Twarpy for landing the man. I thought I might get him, but not surprised r9 went with Twarpy's offer. Interesting debate that I'd like to hear the league's opinion on.

Abreu/Mauer/Granderson/2nd rounder
vs
Soriano/Swisher/Hawpe/1st rounder

R9 sure had one hell of a tough choice to make.

Perm Dude
ID: 400392013
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 00:57

I offered him a ham sandwich, two used Canadian flags, and some scrubs name Hideki Matsui, Norris Hopper, and Asdrubal Cabrera. Maybe he's Jewish?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 01:59

Twarpy's.....and I don't think it's that close.

Nice trade guys.

Santana....Webb....Peavy.....Halladay.....dude you can only earn 20 points in each pitching category --- isn't that overkill? ;-)

Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 07:46

Dang, overpaying for Santana here just like in MLB.

Pete's offer, any day.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 11:07

I don't know, that ham sandwich looks pretty enticing!

From the invite responses and the general talks with those who haven't specifically responded, it appears that we have our 20 managers. Only BH is new.

I have the traded draft pick from today's deal on the site. Will approve it shortly.

Species, don't forget about another pitcher Twarpy has that can throw a little in Penny...

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 12:07

On paper it certainly looks like overpaying, and I agree I am to a degree, but the problem with consolidating keepers is there arent many teams that are willing/can take on extra keepers. There is no way I make this trade if didnt have 15 valuable keepers. I did my research and many of you got some offers, and I tried offering similar packages to teams that I thought might have the workings for a deal to upgrade their general keepers, but R9 and one other person were about the only ones I got any headway with, which showed that the market for extra keepers was very dry.

I couldve sold pieces here and there for draft picks, but I was unsure if there would be a market for those pieces either. Its definately not a trade I wouldve done midseason, but in the end it improves both of our 9 keepers.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 12:30

If anyone needs pitching, I have some solid ones. Looking for a slugger--esp. 3B.

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 12:46

If anyone needs a slugger I need pitching. :)

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 01:50

Species, Code, care to elaborate on your reasonings? I leaned both ways during my deliberations, but the trusty coinflip has never failed me so far...

PD, as a Kebeker I'm afraid the only use I'd have for Canadian flags would land me in jail. :p

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 16:39

We are going to be unable to get minors working for us again this year. Don't know why they just didn't make it like their football practice squads. Problem is they still count minors against the roster totals. So it will be business as usual.

Speaking of business, remember that all prospects who still have eligibility left and are currently on rosters will automatically be sent down so you don't have to spend a keeper slot on them. Let us know who needs a salary assigned to them and we will do so and drop them for you.

Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 21:43

Well, this is how I see the players offered:

Twarpy

3 yr averages
Player	Age	AB	R	H	HR	RBI	BB	SO	SB	BA	OBP	SLG
Granderson	26	457	77	128	17	54	43	119	12	.280	.344	.499
Abreu	33	580	108	167	18	103	108	84	29	.288	.399	.459
Mauer	24	472	70	148	10	66	66	56	9	.314	.397	.453

Pete

3 yr averages
Player	Age	AB	R	H	HR	RBI	BB	SO	SB	BA	OBP	SLG
Soriano	32	621	106	174	38	90	44	138	30	.280	.333	.541
Hawpe	28	440	62	125	20	82	66	110	2	.284	.377	.496
Swisher	27	519	85	130	26	82	84	131	1	.251	.360	.464

I like to look at the best player offered in any deal for another player(s). Clearly, Soriano is the best player in either of the two proposed deals. It is hard to match those power and speed numbers.

Abreu is obviously on the slippery slope of the downside of his career. He is nearly 34 though currently he is 33. He has lost considerable power over the last few years and his speed has declined somewhat also.

It is hard to project Granderson's numbers for this year and the future. Will he go on to improve on last year's good numbers or will he regress? It is hard to predict how he will do so this analysis is somewhat speculative and can only be fully known at the end of this year or beyond.

I know Granderson's 3-year numbers are skewed as he does not have a full 3 years of playing time but so are Hawpe's numbers.

Mauer was hurt last year but throwing a catcher into the deal in a league that doesn't really reward catching (defensive skills) is obviously going to negatively affect the deal unless you need a catcher. Mauer does have good BA numbers but not much power.

Swisher's power numbers should increase going to Comiskey but he will never hit for average. His OBP numbers are good though.

So I guess the key to the deal (and why this deal can only be evaluated in the future) is what Granderson does. My guess is he will not put up numbers anywhere near Soriano's while Hawpe can basically match Abreu both now and in the future except for speed.

Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 21:46

I also did not factor into the deal that Pete offered a first rounder while Twarpy offered a 2nd rounder. Another factor in my bias.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 12:22

I seem to remember that once keepers are run, all salaries disappear. I'm going to go ahead and set up the ability to select your own keepers and we can either re-add salaries like wwe have been or we can turn it off before it runs and allow everyone to drop their own players. Seems that the time it takes to have to re-add salaries might be worth it to the league to have keepers selected individually. Long time before they will be due.

Speaking of that...I have never been contacted by so many managers so early in the year before. In fact, have done a little of my own. I enjoy this actually as no one has to be in any hurry. It's January still!!!!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 16:43

The March 15th due date for keepers is not official. Had to put a date on there in order to set it up and that is about where we were last year. That may be adjusted as we start working on draft dates.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 12:45

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Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:40

Holy crap, I just realized I have Brian Wilson who is likely closing for SFG.

Well thats a little mid-winter surprise! :)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:45

We're going to run the lottery soon. I'll not only post but email the league before that happens. Results will be posted only.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 12:03

We're going to run the lottery soon. I'll not only post but email the league before that happens. Results will be posted only.

Baby needs a new pair of shoes!

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 12:31

Holy crap, I just realized I have Brian Wilson who is likely closing for SFG.

Yeah, good luck with that. That's what I thought starting last year and I finally had to drop him for a backup catcher. I did plan to pick him back up, but somebody snatched him before I could free up a roster spot. Hopefully his control will be a little better this year.

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 13:21

Yeah, that about sums it up. He was certainly better after returning the last couple months.

Rotowire
2008 Outlook: Wilson failed to capture the closer’s role coming out of spring training last year and spent much of the season in Triple-A Fresno. After getting recalled in August, he posted a 2.28 ERA and 0.972 WHIP with a solid strikeout rate over the season’s final two months, proving he can handle ninth-inning duties in the process. Wilson possesses a plus fastball with a pretty good slider and only command stands in the way of him becoming a truly elite reliever. With little competition in San Francisco’s pen, manager Bruce Bochy has already named Wilson the favorite to close in 2008.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 13:35

Draft grid before the lottery. I fixed a GO error I had in a previous version, and added the Twarpy/R9 trade:

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	darkside	darkside	darkside	Species	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
5	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	Great One	Ref	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	StlCards	Tosh	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	R9	R9	Great One	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	blackjack21	blackjack21	Guru	blackjack21	Great One	blackjack21	Guru
13	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	darkside	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
19	darkside	Species	darkside	Species	Species	Species	Species
20	Toral	R9	Twerpy	Twerpy	Toral	Twerpy	Twerpy

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Code	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	blackjack21	blackjack21
5	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	Great One	Great One	blackjack21	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Twerpy	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Twerpy
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21
13	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Great One
19	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species
20	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 13:36

StL Cards #24 - Thank goodness you took Wilson last year, leaving me with Pat Neshek :)

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 13:47

Live Chat on the Scoreboard - With the new chat room in the Scoreboard, you can catch up with league mates or talk some trash while you are there watching all of your scores update LIVE!

I cant wait to talk shit (or fecies) in the live scoreboard, that should be a fun feature.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 14:15

What do you get when you combine (s)hit, (p)oop and f(eces)?

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 14:25

the 2008 G20 champion?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 14:26

That's no way to talk about me!

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 14:52

#30 - TRUE DAT!!!

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 14:42

Ref has asked me to prepare the draft lottery.

For those unfamiliar with the process, here is a brief recap.

1. The bottom 14 teams are each assigned selection probabilities for the lottery, defined as chances per 1000. The last place team has a 25% chance of being selected; the team 14th from the bottom has a 0.5% chance (5 per 1000). For the upcoming lottery, here are the selection probabilities (chances per 1000) assigned to each team:

GL 250
Darkside 200
PD 148
Guru 109
Blue Hen 81
GO 59
allhair 44
Toral 32
Tosh 24
StL Cards 18
R9 13
blackjackis21 10
myboyjack 7
Slackjawed Yokel 5

2. The lottery is conducted as three sequential random "draws". The first draw will be for the top pick, then the 2nd pick, then the 3rd. All teams not selected for one of the top three picks will be assigned the 4-14 position reverse standings order.

3. The process for each draw is to simulate the random selection of four balls from a total of 14 balls, numbered from 1-14. There are 1001 such possible combinations that can be selected. One of these is predetermined to represent a "do over", and the other 1000 combinations are each pre-assigned to one of the 14 teams, in the proportions listed above. I have done this in the linked spreadsheet: http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20-Feb08-14x4_balls.xls

There are 1000 rows. Columns B,C,D, and E list the four-ball combos. Columns F&G list the team that is assigned to each combo. Once a four ball combo is drawn, it is a simple matter to look up the team that is represented by that combo. For example, if the combo is 1-6-10-14 (in any order), then the team selected is Perm Dude. (2-7-9-12 is the "do over" combo.)

3. If the second or third draw results in a duplication, then it is tossed out and done again.

4. The program for selecting the 4 ball combinations is derived from the random.org website. Here is a sample (the top 4 numbers are the only ones that matter): http://random.org/cgi-bin/randseq?min=1&max=14

The version of the program that we use sends an email confirmation to several people, so the results can be audited and verified. I wrote the program, but Ref will run it and post the results here.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 14:56

I have emailed the league a heads-up. Hope to run this shortly. Got to again say thanks to Guru as this proposal and coding was/is is all his. Needless to say, without him, we wouldn't be doing this.

I always find the breakdown of chances interesting--esp. when one of those lesser-chance managers hit it. I think this has been effective in having managers play to the end--regardless of how omnous their situations have been.

Good luck to the 14 managers involved.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:01

First Pick of the Draft Lottery is won by...

PD!!!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:02

2nd ball comes up...

GL!!!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:04

3rd ball comes up...

GL

Repick

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:09

4th Ball (3rd pick) comes up...

PD

repick

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:10

5th Ball (3rd Pick)

PD

repick

dang guys!! The balls surely like you two!!!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:12

6th Ball (3rd pick)

uh oh...it's an upset pick....

MyBoyJack!!!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:14

The results were also sent to Guru, Cards, Tosh and Species. I'll ask one of these four to confirm.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:16

Confirmed.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:21

Base Order for the first 14 of the first round:

1. PD
2. GL
3. myboyjack
4. Darkside
5. Guru
6. Blue Hen
7. GO
8. allhair
9. Toral
10. Tosh
11. StL Cards
12. R9
13. blackjackis21
14. Slackjawed Yokel

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 17:04

I hate the lottery.
I hate the lottery.
I hate the lottery.

At least this time I didn't end up 7 or 8 ;)

Oh well, way the ball bounces I guess.

Cliff

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 17:26


Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	PermDude	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	Goatlocker	darkside	darkside	Species	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	mbj	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	darkside	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
5	Guru	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	blue hen	Ref	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Great One	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Toral	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	Tosh	Tosh	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	StlCards	R9	Great One	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	R9	blackjack21	Guru	blackjack21	Great One	blackjack21	Guru
13	blackjack21	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	darkside	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
19	darkside	Species	darkside	Species	Species	Species	Species
20	Toral	R9	Twerpy	Twerpy	Toral	Twerpy	Twerpy

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Code	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	blackjack21	blackjack21
5	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	Great One	Great One	blackjack21	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Twerpy	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Twerpy
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21
13	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Great One
19	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species
20	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 17:28

Ref #43 - looking over the grid I just posted, and your post --- did you accidently switch allhair and Toral?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 18:29

Species, actually they tied. I'll run a dice roll to see who picks first between the two each round.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 18:41

OK I found the dice server (like) I used to use.

Same as the lottery, I will have two rolls. In a-b order, the first roll will be Allhairs, second is toral's. The HIGHEST total roll (using a 100 sided dice and rolling it 10 times) will pick the highest in each round (base order). For auditing purposes, It will email the results to all involved. Good luck.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 18:47

Actually I can only send it to two people so only the two involved will get an email. I'll be able to see it on the results page.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 18:49

Roll 1: 51, 77, 68, 97, 16, 98, 33, 44, 77, 2 = 563.
Roll 2: 44, 1, 86, 18, 75, 77, 87, 75, 93, 50 = 606.

Toral has won and will pick higher each round.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 19:02

Cool. I have fixed the first round on my grid...the remaining rounds already had Toral 1st so they are correct.

I'll post the corrected grid after there are more changes.....but Toral has 1.08 and allhair 1.09.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 19:17

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 11:46

I thought about using this for the Lottery balls

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 17:47

Minor trade:

Guru receives: SS Khalil Greene + Species' 6th round pick (6.19)

Species receives: blackjackis21's 3rd round pick (3.12)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 21:28

Approved.

R9, you need to drop two players and Guru one. You can't do it yourself yet so let one of us know.

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 21:35

Thought we were allowed to be over the roster maximum until the keeper deadline.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 00:22

Last year we didn't bother on the two uneven trades a day or two before keepers were due. But since it's about a month from the day, figured we'd go ahead and cut them down as we had always done. Not a big deal though. It's not like a team has 22 potential keepers.

allhair allstars
ID: 211321118
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 08:00

Dude. Have you SEEN my team? It's absolutely chockful of potential keepers. CHOCKFUL, I tell you! :)

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 09:52

Still looking to deal. Draft picks can get you Kelly Johnson or Felipe Lopez. And I'm also looking to deal Tom Gorzellany.

Great One
ID: 27154129
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:00

I have 22 potential keepers! Seriously... doesn't anyone want to trade for Roger Clemens?

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 10:14

"Potential."

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 16:03

Go ahead and drop Mark Ellis from my roster.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 16:05

You can go ahead and cut Bob Wickman and Brad Wilkerson. I'm ashamed that I even have to admit they're on my team. (I'm still not sure why.)

Toral
ID: 575542418
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 16:16

Brad Wilkerson is available for free? I just signed him then!

Toral

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 16:19

I'm pretty sure a .300 OBP 'costs' something... ;)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 18:04

Trying to get a timeline set up for keeper and draft dates...here is what MLB has on theie schedule:

March 22-23, 2008
The Red Sox and the A's play doubleheaders against Nippon Professional Baseball Clubs in Japan.

March 25, 2008
Opening Day: Red Sox vs. A's at Tokyo Dome in Tokyo, Japan

March 26, 2008
Last day to request unconditional release waivers on a player without having to pay his full 2008 salary

March 29, 2008
Civil Rights Game: White Sox vs. Mets at AutoZone Park in Memphis, Tenn.

March 30, 2008
Opening Night: Braves vs. Nationals at Nationals Park, Washington, D.C.

March 31, 2008
Opening Day

So I'm assuming that March 25th is the first day stats would count?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 18:25

Last year our timed draft took about 8 days. We actually opened it up early and got in a round untimed Fri-Sun. Last year keepers were due two days before draft. If we have to get done a week early because of the early opening day, we're looking at having to push up the keeper/draft dates by approx the same amount. That could mean keepers and draft date somewhere around the first week of March--prob near the end of that week.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 18:34

Ref - yes, March 25th counts.

FWIW - blue hen and I will be in Phoenix for Spring Training with intermittent access starting 3/22. So I like the idea of starting that week you mention.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 19:57

I really hate that march 25th counts. That'sgoing to be a lot of last minute cuts/starting positions that we're going to miss or find out during or even after the draft.

After looking at our past drafts and a calendar, we may be able to go keepers on march 11 and draft on thurs march 13...

thoughts?

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 20:07

FWIW - I'll be out of the country starting the 21st of March through the 30th -will have limited access for the purposes of this draft - so the sooner we get started, the happier I'll be....

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 20:25

mbj - with your stacked keepers, missing out on round 12 ain't gonna hurt you. You are LOADED!

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 23:34

I still remember my excitement back in 2003 when I was able to draft Ichiro in our initial draft. I planned on wheeling him out in a wheelchair if I had to for the next decade. He's a great team leader, and sells a lot of tickets.

To Twarpy - Ichiro
To Tosh - Roy Halladay, Delmon Young, Orlando Hudson

You'll still be my favorite Ichiro!

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 23:36

Ref - When you process the trade, feel free to waive Josh Fogg and Jack Hannahan.

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 23:50

Crap I wouldve taken Fogg and Hannahan:)

Im trading Delmon Young who I felt Ive raised as a child in our first prospect draft, although way to his teenage tantrum years, to an adult.

Many people have tried (Fecies multiple times) to grab the young lion, least you can have faith that hell be around when Ichiro's wheelchair legs fall off :)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 00:27

We could perhaps go keepers mar 10 and draft no later than mar 12.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 01:58

Heck, I've offered my whole team for Delmon in the past.

Cliff

Toral
ID: 575542418
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 04:03

If Twarp can consolidate keepers that way, it's pretty scary.

We should be thankful that the prize pool isn't winner-take-all.

I drafted Delmon in a prospect draft in another league, and got some value for him in a trade. As a head case who doesn't walk, I think he has a limited fantasy future.

Toral

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 09:43

I would like to see explanations from Twarpy and Tosh about their thinking on this trade.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 09:55

This trade is fairly easy to justify all around. Ichiro and Halladay are two of the most polarizing players in baseball. Some people thing they are great and some people think they are not-so-great.

Delmon is also a guy who is polarizing.

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 10:48

To answer Stl:

I've never seen Species come on AIM so quick after one of my trades and his first words outta his mouth were "Steep Price Bro, Steep Price". I agree I paid a steep price, but my figuring is that I lost both Abreu and Grandy, and needed to replace the steals and obp. Right now I have three stud P's and will couple them with either Harden or Penny, so I felt I was fairly good at P.

I targetted Ichiro because Tosh said he was on the block, I understand hes 34 and goes against my usual pattern of holding 21-29 year olds, but its the little things that count, I dont have many draft picks early on and wanted to beef up my hitting stats a little, so thats why the deal worked for me.

Perm Dude
ID: 36118207
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 11:04

I'm not certain how anyone who uses statistics to measure baseball quality can call Ichiro "polarizing." Perhaps the loyalty and hero-worship by some owners might be a bit off-putting, but "polarizing" seems to imply there are gaps in his game and there is some kind of dispute as to his value.

What's not to like?

Great One
ID: 27154129
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 11:13

Plus Halladay has been consistently declining... his strikeout rate continues to decrease, and his WHIP/ERA have gone up multiple seasons in a row.
So if throwing him in a package with Delmon to upgrade to a more relaible stud gets it done (and you've got the extra players)... why not cash in?

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 11:18

Polarizing. He has little power and doesn't walk enough. That's definitely not the kind of player you'll find on my teams. But he always seems to go in the first couple rounds every year.

Perm Dude
ID: 36118207
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 11:33

Because he is among the leaders in several categories, that's why, bh. His BA still gives him a high OB% (which is one of this league's cats). It is like complaining about a guy who seems to get bad jumps off the bag in a steal--yet he still gets there, a lot. So long as he's safe, who cares about the jump (and who cares about his walks as long as the OBP is still high?).

The guy does what he should, quite well.

Great One
ID: 27154129
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 11:46

Yeah, when you average 225 hits per year, I'd say your opportunity for walks is a bit more limited. His OBP was .396 last year. I'll take that. Find me a base stealer with that OBP. Figgins? Pierre?

Plus with nearly 700 AB's... that volume makes a huge impact on that category. Your average guy with a .400 OBP is a slugger with between 500-600 AB's at that rate. Thats like 200 free AB's at a very high rate.
He finished last year ranked #12 in Yahoo. Why would anybody want this guy?

Obviously the AVG, SB's, Runs are all great and he doesn't hurt you in the categories that other SB specialists normally do cause he can get 10 HR's and 65-70 RBI's. (Pierre? 36 RBI's, 1 HR)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 12:09

Personally, I am not a delmon fan at all. I agree he has a tremendous ability, but he keeps shooting himself in the foot with his attitude and off-field issues. The Rays had enough and they are building. I am a Halladay fan. Sure he's getting older and naturally declining, but he's still one of the top pitchers in baseball IMM. Ichiro really helps you in OBP. He will also get you some steals and runs. Hudson is an obvious throw-in as Twarpy had no inclination of keeping him. Not sure if Tosh does or not at this point but why not give you another option if you need it? I definitely see the benefit to both sides. Even though I like Tosh's end a little better, I definitely see what Twarpy is doing and think this actually improved his team.

As far as the keeper/draft date goes...I thought about it and here's my take...

Our philosophy has always been to draft as late as possible so we have as much knowledge as we can to keep the integrity of the draft. IOW, it cheapens the draft if you are throwing back several players--esp. higher picks--for WW guys because those players are no longer servicable.

With that in mind, I think I'd like to have the draft completed before the first game, but not worry about WW being run so much until after that. There is five more days apparently between game one and game two. A lot is going to change even after that first game as Spring Training is still going on for the rest of the teams. I really don't want people to be racing to the computers to get the new everyday 3b or the newly named closer for a team when there is still a week before the other teams play.

Also, would hate for people to be drafting players just for that first game and then end up dumping them for FAs because there is so much time. Still would like there to be at least a day or two right before the season to get a FA--albeit by then, players typicaly have their duties defined and it's basically an injury issue.

So in a nutshell: I'm thinking we start the draft late enough so we get it completed before the Mar 25 game starts. We don't turn waivers on until after the game. WW last one full day plus the remainder of the day we turn them on. If we turn them on say the 26th, you'd be able to pick up players for free on the 28th and be able to get WW claims on those dropped in time for the gmaes on the 30th. The draft typically takes 7.5-8 days but we could add in a cushion to make sure. That would put us in the same position as last year as far as having an untimed-head start if we chose over the weekend and started timing on Sunday. That means keepers could be due as late as say Noon on mar 13 (or 11:59 pm on the 12th if it is done automatically) and the thread could be started thurs night or the next day but timed draft starts on sun mar 16. This way people can figure out who is available. The commishs would need time to re-add prospects, inspect each team, go through setup, get WW ready, etc. Is this agreeable? I know there are a couple of people who may have timeline issues with their personal lives and we can certainly understand that. It's tough to try and get 20 different people on the same schedule, but we can try adn work with them individually if possible. Or if the timeline needs to be moved we can also do that. Remember, a short draft also makes it less-likely that managers late in the draft find a diamond by getting news right when they are up to draft. We have a very agressive approach (time limits) in our G20/24 leagues and they have worked unbelievably well. But if we need to mvoe them up earlier and simply not turn on waivers, we can do that too if the league felt that was needed.

I may be scarce here for awhile. Really trying to get this timeline nailed down asap.

Myboyjack
ID: 56039812
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 12:16

FWIW, I think it's bad to not be able to fully run waivers before the season starts (3/25)...

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 12:22

Don't get me wrong, Ichiro is NOT Juan Pierre. But he does have an .816 career OPS, which is not so great for an outfielder, even with the steals. Gary Sheffield, for example, has topped that mark in each of the last 15 full seasons he's played. Paul Konerko has had a higher OPS in each of the last nine seasons. Nick Swisher has a higher career OPS. Eric Chavez has a higher career OPS. Raul Ibanez has the same career OPS. Jeff Kent hasn't had an OPS that low in any of the last 10 seasons. Nor has Andruw Jones. Even Derek Jeter has one season in the last 10 with an OPS that low.

This isn't Albert Pujols or David Ortiz we're talking about. Ichiro is a fantastic player and I would be very happy to have him on my favorite team. But he is definitely overrated and not the kind of player I'd want to build a franchise around or use a second round pick on.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 12:28

bh, it's not about getting a top overall player, but he needs obp and steals. He got a guy who will really help him there. I mean 20 points is the most he can get. Ichiro will help him a lot more than the guys he sent off--even if they were statistically all-around better.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 12:55

My loyalty and hero worship is off-putting? [84] Now I'll never show you my collection of 23 Ichiro bobbleheads/action figures or my nice selection of Ichiro clothing.

It's pretty simple at my end. I've only got 7 guys I want to keep. Ichiro is my best bargaining chip (Rotowire lists him as the #2 OFer overall). Hudson will probably be kept as well, but anytime I have a chance to make the defending champ a little weaker (taking away a trading chip), I feel I should take it.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 13:28

I'm not sure anyone is inferring any controversy about this, but I think the rationales and benefits for each team are clear. For Tosh it certainly revolves around Young turning into an All-Star. Ichiro is 34 now so he's getting up there. Halladay, when healthy (sadly always a question mark), is a top 10 starter. Yes Hudson is a throw-in but when you are short of keepers you could do worse.

I like it from both sides. I was merely surprised Twarpy chose now to trade Young. I think he flourishes in Minnesota.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 13:39

If I thought there were any chance of controversy, I wouldn't have approved it so quickly. But I do think it's interesting for people to sometimes understand what traders were thinking. I really don't think it is that lopsided, but even if it was, Twarpy had all 20s in pitching except for the one I nabbed in Ks (he got a 19). With his studs, he could conceivably stay at or around the same area in pitching, yet gain several points in a couple hitting cats. Sometimes you have to overpay (or take less) than you should get in order to get the guy/stats you need. With Twarpy still having too many keepers, it makes it even easier to do.

Tosh asked me about Ichiro too, but I just didn't have a need for those stats right now. I still briefly entertained the idea of getting him and trying to flip him to someone else who did to try and get the cats/position I needed.

Perm Dude
ID: 36118207
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 13:41

#92: I agree completely. And Tosh, I wasn't implying that you had Ichiro Hero Worship (though I think I can recommend a cream for that). Just that there are some, particularly some Mariners fans, who are clearly deranged about him.

pd

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 13:54

I guess I fit that description ... but don't need the cream. It's more fun having the illness.

I'm going to battle with a rotation of Bedard, Lackey, Halladay, and Andrew Miller. Hopefully I can compete with Twarpy in those categories.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 13:58

I'm curious how good Bedard will be. I loved the Orioles end of that deal.

Guys with man-crushes on certain players often will pay a premium to get them and will refuse or ask for way too much to trade them away.

Great One
ID: 27154129
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 14:05

Mike D asked that I post this cause he is at work.

**coughDIRK!cough**

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 14:09

lol........SO true

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 14:29

So Stl, re 79. Curiousity has mean wondering why you wanted explanations? Would like to hear your opinion on the trade :)

100

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 14:48

I think it's Mike D who has the man crush on Dirk as he just can't get over not being able to get him!!! ;) Anyhow, the only manager who ever offered me fair value for Dirk was GO and with my team balance, Dirk was a better fit. Just because I am not looking to trade him, doesn't mean I have a man crush on him. Heck I traded ARod, so obviously I'd move Dirk if it seemed to be a better fit. My hoops team is a lot better now and don't need the depth I required back when I seriously considered moving him a few years back.

Any other thoughts on the draft dates as laid out in 87?

101

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 14:51

Maybe it's just Mariner right fielders, but my previous man-crush was Jay Buhner. I even got my hair cut twice on "Buhner Buzz-cut Night".

102

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 14:56

I'm okay with the proposed timeline, and don't really share the same concern about WW running as mbj does in post 88. Boston is pretty well set so I don't see some sleeper popping up out of nowehere. And Oakland is so screwed up there aren't any diamonds waiting to be found there either, IMO. If anything, the early game will force these teams to cut down earlier, define roles and starters to the point where those players stepping into full time roles will have already been drafted.

103

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 14:59

I understand Twarpy wanting to get steals and having too many keepers and an overabundance of pitchers. I guess it comes down to how good Young will be. As mentioned earlier, at one point Young was untouchable. I think Young goes 20/20 with plenty of RBI opportunities in MN and if he does get 20 SBs then that will offset the steals of Ichiro. I don't mind Twarpy losing those players, but I was interested to hear what they both thought of Young.

I think Halladay is a top 10 pitcher and see no reason he won't continue to be this year. He had a rough stretch last year in May and early June where his era reached 4.63 but he still ended with a 3.71 ERA not to mention 9 complete games. Hudson, while not a keeper for Twarpy still had 10 SB, 69 runs, 63 rbis, and a high obp of his own, and that with missing almost all of September. Just seemed like a lot of value to trade for extra runs, steals, and obp. We won't really know until we see what everyone does this year though.

104

Great One
ID: 27154129
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 15:05

Yeah, Delmon was in his team name. Thats interesting.
But when you've got that kind of depth and extra keepers, I guess you can afford to give a little extra to get what you feel you need.

105

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 15:36

I've overpaid before and it hasn't worked out, but as I've said many times before I don't mind overpaying for consolidating keepers.

Delmon still has extreme potential, and I did give up a top pitcher, but in my situation I think Ichiro will help me a lot more this year.

I'm still looking at putting a package together for another middle ranged hitter with some of my other keepers, I currently have some talk going on with a few managers but would am more than willing to hear offers from anyone else. Please note that I have built around Santana, Webb, Peavy, Pujols, Wright, Ichiro for this year, so they are not moving, but I still feel there are some needs I would like to address.

106

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 15:57

I find interesting that Halladay is considered an injury-prone pitcher ... because I have always felt the same way. Sure he misses 15 days here and there, but he's gone 200+ innings for 4 of the past 6 years, and one of those years was a broken leg off a batted ball. You can't really count that one.

I was surprised that Twarpy would trade Delmon, but I agree that it's a trade that helps both teams.

107

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 16:42

Jose Guillen's 15-day steroids suspension will begin with the first day of the actual season (March 30), not the Royals' Opening Day (March 31), so he'll miss just 12 games.

At least they didn't count the games on Mar 25th or he would have missed only a week.

108

darkside
ID: 181035120
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 19:30

Sorry I've been such a ghost. Work, school, blocked access, etc.

Ref and I have completed a trade. My 1.19 and 2.02 for Loney. Whenever it's done a commish can drop Jesse Litsch from my team.

109

darkside
ID: 181035120
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 19:38

Also, looks like they've finally added my 3rd prospect, Matt LaPorta. Can a commish add a salary to him? Thanks!

110

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 20:46

Timeline works just fine for me.
Also, not that concerned about whether or not WW runs before the season starts.

Cliff

111

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 21:43

Ditto GL.

112

Great One
ID: 19057139
Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 23:32

Draft anytime, waivers whenever.

113

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 10:40

Timing/waivers mentioned also works fine by me.

114

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 12:36

fine by me too

115

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 14:42

Thx to cards for remembering to bench everyone in order for the players who no longer qualify at a position to lose that elig. I completely forgot about it.

I'll be out of pocket with little-to-no access the next several days.

116

darkside
ID: 181035120
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 18:01

Whatever timeline for drafting and WW is fine with me. I'll be around.

I'll need people to make picks since I can't post from work, but I'll deal w/ that once the draft starts. Luckily Guru's got that back door so I can at least keep up w/ the draft.

117

Peter N.
ID: 460332920
Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 21:15

Its all good. My schedule will be flexible.

118

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 13:43

After the Ref/darkside trade:

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	PermDude	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	Goatlocker	Ref	darkside	Species	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	mbj	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	darkside	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
5	Guru	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	blue hen	Ref	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Great One	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Toral	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	Tosh	Tosh	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	StlCards	R9	Great One	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	R9	blackjack21	Species	blackjack21	Great One	blackjack21	Guru
13	blackjack21	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	darkside	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
19	Ref	Species	darkside	Species	Species	Guru	Species
20	Toral	R9	Twerpy	Twerpy	Toral	Twerpy	Twerpy

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Code	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	blackjack21	blackjack21
5	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	Great One	Great One	blackjack21	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Twerpy	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Twerpy
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21
13	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Great One
19	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species
20	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy	Twerpy

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

119

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 19:19

There is one opening in the 2008 Puget Sound Fantasy League. It's going to be a 10-team AL-only H2H. We're drafting slow through kafenatid.

Anyone interested? Shoot me an email if you are.

120

Great One
ID: 27154129
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 15:13

Roger Clemens is in Species' box! Oh my goodness gracious!
Of all the dramatic things I've ever seen!
Roger Clemens standing right in Species' luxury box announcing he is BACK! Roger Clemens is a Young Lion!!!!

Trade
GO acquires
Rickie Weeks, 2B, MIL
Jason Bay, OF, PIT
Pat Neshek, RP, MIN
Species 2008 12.19
Species 2009 4th
Species 2009 7th
Nick Adenhardt, Prospect, LAA, SP

Species' Young Lions acquire
BJ Upton, 2B/OF, TB
Vernon Wells, OF, TOR
Roger Clemens, SP, HGH
2008 1.07
2009 8th
2009 11th

121

Great One
ID: 27154129
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 15:18

If only Species were there that day to truly capture the moment.

122

Twarpy
ID: 111511813
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 15:22

Wow

123

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 16:38

lol......and don't forget blue hen was in the hizzle for that historic day. Oh my goodness gracious!

Trade confirmed just now on the website.

124

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 17:24

Ref is out of pocket for a while......will need Tosh, or in a pinch StL Cards, to approve my trade since we Commish-types can't approve our own.

125

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 17:38

.......although I did go ahead and update the constitution in regards to the picks (both 2008 and our first 2009 pick trade!) and moved Adenhart to GO's prospect list.

126

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 18:15

Trade approved. Thanks for adding it to the rules already.

127

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:21

We actually didn't hear "Oh my goodness gracious" until we got home. But it sure was an interesting experience. I guess it's also the day my man-crush on Mr. Clemens died a painful, horrible death.

128

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 00:40

I am actually around a little bit now.

May be gone 2 or 3 days during the draft though.

129

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 17:49

Of course Species has to go out and out do my Verlander for Ortiz deal. Probably one of the most beneficial trades for both teams involved ever.

Also, looking to trade Stephen Drew and/or Thome still. Carpenter is one of my keepers but for a rebuilding team he'd probably be a better fit. If anyone is interested let me know.

130

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:54

I'm still looking for a 10th manager in the 10-team, AL-only H2H Puget Sound Fantasy League. It currently consists of 7 Gurupies, and 2 of my buddies in a different AL-league. Quality members.

Slow drafting at Kafenatid, starting sometime soon.

Please send me an email if you are interested.

131

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 11:42

We're getting closer boys. From post #87:

That means keepers could be due as late as say Noon on mar 13 (or 11:59 pm on the 12th if it is done automatically) and the thread could be started thurs night or the next day but timed draft starts on sun mar 16. This way people can figure out who is available. The commishs would need time to re-add prospects, inspect each team, go through setup, get WW ready, etc

March 12th or 13th is next week, so get those last minute trades in.

132

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 12:04

I'm thinking march 12th at Noon ET.

The draft thread would then go up no earlier than that night and no later than the 14th. I am going to be gone w/o access from the 18th to the 20th but I will be able to call/text all but a few hours each day. Therefore, I won't be able to post the c clock during that time.

I was calculating that we HAVE to have several picks off the board before we start the c clock on Sunday at Noon (3/16). Because we have had a couple of drafts where a person has decided not to pick until he had to and that would really throw us here, I'm thinking of having a big per pick time limit of say 8-12 hrs but it won't count against your c clock until Sunday at Noon. No matter what, time would not accrue during the blackout period of midnight to 8 am ET. This would be in lieu of simply starting the draft earlier. I really try and avoid two weekends if I can, but up to you guys.

Normally I'd just do what we discussed w/o having anymore talk, but Tosh has just taken on more duties at work and will be scarce in the afternoons (PST), I will be gone for three days, Species is going on vacation and Cards' duties at work have also expanded so much that he had to take a step back from commishing and has little time. Several deals usually occur that need to be processed and people time out, rulings need to be made, etc. There should be enough of the grizzled vets around that can help answer any questions should a commish not be availabe for several hours, but I know this can delay us.

On a personal note, I have probably four more guys who are keeper worthy that I won't be keeping barring a major deal where I need another keeper. The two best ones are Oliver Perez and Jeff Francis. Let me know if you are interested in either or both of them.

133

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 21:49

Note:

In the message center on the home page there is an announcement that you have to opt-in for all messages and alerts. Make sure you click on that as there are some very important announcements that come to your email from the league.

134

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 21:55

Can we also post notification of any emails in the thread, because I always have all alerts, and they don't always arrive in either my junk folder or inbox.

135

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 13:05

When One of the commishes gets a chance, Justin Upton needs a salary.

Thanks,
Cliff

136

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 13:21

GL,

The salaries get wiped out when the keepers run--even when we do it manually. So we have to add them all back in again. So we're just going to wait until then.

I will get a keeper thread up. Since no one had any comments on my last post, we will go ahead and leave it the 12th and we will manually run Keepers shortly after Noon. Gonna go through all prspects again to check for limits, etc. After we run it, we need to re-add salaries and get ready for the draft.

I need to talk with the other commishs to make sure we are all on the same page as far as a c clock and a possible long per pick time limit before the regular clock starts. Regardless, the keeper deadline is now fixed. We will get together and finalize the other details since most others have no preferences.

137

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 05, 2008, 16:15

Keeper thread is up.

138

Great One
ID: 27154129
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 11:04

If anyone is looking for a closer for their last keeper, Brian Wilson is available for a draft pick.

139

Twarpy
Leader
ID: 386242821
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 12:50

After my last trade I am once again SP heavy. I am more than content going into the season with 5 SP's but would be willing to listen to trade offers. I would be looking for a 1:1, 2:2 deal where I either get a star closer, or a big bat in return.

140

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 15:34

I am going over all the prospects as a courtesy. It is still your own responsibility in case I miss anyone. The very first name listed is Matt Garza and he is no longer prospect-eligible, so I am removing him as a prospect and I have placed him on AA's team. He must be kept or he will be lost.

141

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 16:18

All hitters must have less than 300 ABs (400 if drafted in Rds 1-5) and pitchers less than 110 IP (100 if drafted in Rds 1-5) or 40 GP (50 if drafted in Rds 1-5) or they must be moved to your active roster or released.

PD has Milledge who is still prospect-eligible in ABs (350) because he was drafted in round 4, but he has Dustin Mosely who has 49 GPs which is legal for a round 5 draftee (5.01), but the 103 IPs is not. So he is being moved to PD's roster and removed from the prospect list.

142

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 16:27

Last chance - anyone want Javier Vazquez?

143

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 09:57

Sheffield or Gallardo available fairly cheap (late 3rd, early 4th round pick), Uggla or Corpas slightly less cheap, to anyone who's still looking to add keepers.

144

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 10:51

I believe I have traded my 4th round pick to bjis21 for Yovani Gallardo and his last round pick.

Toral

145

blackjackis21
ID: 457541021
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 11:47

Agreed - I'm out and about right now, but will agree to the cbs trade in an hour or so.

146

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 11:48

Go ahead and submit it via CBS.

Last chance for Francis or Olly Perez.

I had a lot of interest for Olly early on, but only one person has asked about him in the last two weeks. Francis has had even elss interest.

CBS has Francis ranked in the top 30 pitchers and Olly right behind him in the top 40 overall. Both should be keepers. Olly gets the beneficial Mets ballpark with his team's offense to back him up. Francis is in a hitters park but actually does better at home then on the road and also has a big offense to support him. Both will be taken high in the first round of our draft if I have to throw them back as I'm now planning. So spend a 2nd and keep your first to use toward someone else while upgrading your keepers.

147

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 15:10

I need to trade Thome, Hudson, Carpenter, or Stephen Drew. Looking for youth, draft picks, prospects, and/or a 2 for 1.

148

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 17:06

I found Peter Ns new video as a follow up to his team name of Ridin' Dirty last year. Pete, or should I say, Alfred, you show your true colors. Lookin' good!

149

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 18:30

Just got a prospect question that merits posting.

I was asked if they could call-up two guys when the draft starts and forego their last two draft picks.

The answer is yes. In fact, once keepers are final, you may call-up prospects. Once your roster hits 23 players, your draft is over.

If you have remaining picks, you may trade them as they are still your property until that pick before it is made which auto-skips your pick if you still own it.

150

Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 20:40

Ref, these two prospects are guys that haven't yet reached their threshold, correct?

151

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 21:22

If they have already hit their thresholds then they would no longer be considered prospects once keepers are final and if they aren't kept as keepers then they become free agents.

152

Code Cracker
ID: 300152013
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 21:26

That's the way I read it too. Thanks for the clarification.

153

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 01:19

Yeah any prospect who have hit their thresholds have already been removed as from the prospect list. Those managers have to keep them if they want to retain their rights. That's why I moved those two players I found to their respective owners so they had teh opportunity to keep them.

154

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 20:40

The unanimous sentiment from the others with commish privs is to start the draft as soon after the keepers as we can AND start the c clock at the same time.

One of the responses talked about was how we're the last league to even start drafting so everyone is already in full draft mode. Make sense. If we do that, then we could start the draft a few hours after the Keepers are due. If we did that, when you be in favor of keeping the same limits in place as we had last year or would you like to add say an hr to 4 hr per pick limit until Sunday and add time to the c clock?

Last year, only one manager would have timed out anyhow IIRC and for the c clock, only two hit that limit of 12 hrs.

Usually we have this down early but with the weird schedule and availability issues, the thought is to better be early then late.

155

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 21:43

The sooner the better.
I'm now out of pocket all day 18 and 19.
Queue time again.

Cliff

156

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 22:46

Let's start soon, so I don't have to draft with Species in Arizona.

I sent out a few offers. I'm sure they will all be accepted, so please check your mail.

157

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 22:48

Start as soon as possible

158

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 23:25

For the lucky Kershaw drafter.......someone has an "Uncle Charlie", Clayton Kershaw has "Public Enemy No. 1"!

159

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 23:41

ok, we will start the draft as soon as we can after keepers on Wed.

Im going to assume it will using the 3 hr clock. I'll see if the c clock needs adjusting.

GL, I will be out of pocket on the 18, 19 and 20th and at least half the day on the 14th, so I hear you about Qs!!!

160

Great One
ID: 1122611
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:28

Ref acquires
3.06
2009 10th Round
Armando Benitez
Nick Adenhardt**prospect

GO acquires
13.18
2009 6th Round
Oliver Perez

161

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:37

agreed and accepted on cbs.

162

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 02:06

Is anyone else having any issues accessing the pulldown menus in CBS? I can't get to the rules page anymore, and I get an error message in the status bar on every CBS page now.

163

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 07:57

No problems here...

164

Peter N.
ID: 441292622
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 09:59

Trade Alert:

blue hen aquires
Joakim Soria
4.15
6.15

I aquire
2.05
6.05

BH to confirm.

165

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 10:01

Confirmed, sucker.

166

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:46

Please confirm on CBS as well so we can run keepers!

167

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:03

Forget it. I just forced it through.

168

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:04

* Keepers are now official *

I am confirming accuracy on the web site.

169

Peter N.
ID: 42241210
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:04

Oops, I just hit accept on CBS without realizing it was blue hen's initial offer. Ignore the comments in the trade accepted on CBS. The offer is Soria/4.15/6.15 for 2.05/6.05 as stated and confirmed above. Sorry for the confusion.

170

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:06

Trade Announcement

beastiemiked receives:

Species' 1.07
Species' 9.19
Species' 2008 1st round prospect pick

Species receives:

Stephen Drew, SS, AZ
bmd's 14.16

171

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:07

Pete - I rejected the trade since I had already pushed it through.

I will be posting a draft grid shortly.

172

Peter N.
ID: 42241210
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:10

Species, no problem. Thanks for the cover.

173

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:12

I don't see where keepers have ran, I'm still showing everybody.

Cliff

174

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:19

Still working on it Cliff. I'm running into meetings, I think StL or Ref will pick up from there. Until then, here's the draft grid:

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	PermDude	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	Goatlocker	Ref	darkside	Species	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	mbj	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	darkside	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
5	Guru	Peter N.	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Peter N.	blue hen
6	blue hen	Ref	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	beastiemiked	Toral	Toral	blackjack21	Toral	Toral	Toral
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Toral	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	Tosh	Tosh	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	StlCards	R9	Great One	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	R9	blackjack21	Species	blackjack21	Great One	blackjack21	Guru
13	blackjack21	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	darkside	Peter N.	blue hen	Peter N.	blue hen	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
19	Ref	Species	darkside	Species	Species	Guru	Species
20	Toral	R9	Twarpy	Twarpy	Toral	Twarpy	Twarpy

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Code	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	blackjack21	blackjack21
5	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	Great One	Great One	blackjack21	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Twarpy	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Twarpy
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	Toral
13	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	Species
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Great One
19	Species	beastiemiked	Species	Species	Great One	Species	Species
20	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

175

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:20

I did some recent changes in a hurry. Please double check your particular trades for accuracy, but I think we're good.

I am hopeful bmd will quickly confirm the Drew deal. Back in a hour-ish.

176

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:27

GL, running them manually soon. There is an issue we're looking into. Also having to go through and mark keepers on the site for some managers.

177

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:34

OK, issue resolved.

Checking things one last time before keepers are being run.

Also, the Species/bmd trade was intentionally made post keeper deadline as Drew was kept as a keeper. So we won't process it until after keeps are run. Apparently bmd has not been around to accept it, but I did read the email agreement from the two and will do it manually if he isn't able to since draft is upon us.

Thanks to the others for helping audit things this morning.

178

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:42

Keepers have been processed.

179

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:48

Please add Justin Upton and Daric Barton to my Roster since Keepers have ran.

Thanks,
Cliff

180

Peter N.
ID: 42241210
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:49

I'd like to call up prospect Cameron Maybin as well. Thanks.

181

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:04

Yeah, Drew deal is confirmed.

182

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:08

Ok, guys, consider them officially called up--though it will take me a few to get them to your lineups.

In case you see some odd stuff going on, here's what I'm doing. I've changed the settings to allow up to 27 players simply because one team has 4 prospects. Adding all prospects to your respective team and adding a salary through the draft. After draft we will drop them so no one accidently drafts them. If they are not in the CBS database, they can't be added--but our drafting rules don't allow anyone to be drafted who isn't in the db for the supplemental draft.

You may still only go up to 23 players not counting prospects!!! Your draft is over when you hit 23. It's harder to check this way, but drafting prospects is a huge issue and occurred several times before Cards came up with the idea to do it this way a couple years ago.

Remember, all drafting and in-draft discussion will occur in separate threads in the BASEBALL LEAGUES FORUM.

183

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:34

bmd trade approved.

added call-ups now to avoid confusion as prospects added...

check draft chart to make sure there are no mistakes with your teams. Here are the trades we have:

These managers have had their 2008 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trades

8-27-06 darkside gets Species' 1st and 3rd rounder for his 4th round pick (Aramis/izzy for Hughes/Zumaya/Lester/Teahen)
3-2 Species gets Pete's' 2nd rounder (07 predraft 2nd round exchange)
3-14 GO gets R9's 3rd rounder (Patterson for Billingsly+07 pick)
3-15 Darkside gets Pete's' 2nd rounder via Species (Giambi)
3-25 Code gets GL's 2008 12th rounder ( 2007 13.09)
4-12 Ref gets GO's' 2nd rounder for his 14th (Lee/Wells)
5-17 Tosh gets Cards' 2nd rounder (Accardo)
5-29 Toral gets Twarpy's 1st and 5th rounders for his 8th and 14th picks (Penny)
7-22 GO gets BJ21's 5th round pick in exchange for hiss 10th round pick (Verlander/Sizemore)
8-2 Guru gets BJ21's 3rd and 7th rounders for his 13th and 14th (Corpas)
1-21 R9 gets Twarpy's 2nd rounder (Santana Deal)
2-12 Species gets Guru's 3.12 (via bj21) for his 6th(Greene)
2-20 Ref gets Darkside's 1.19 (via Species) and 2.02 (Loney)
2-28 Species gets Great One's 1.07 for his 12th (12.19) (Upton/Weeks etc)
3-8 bj21 gets Toral's 4.07 for his 14.12 (Gallardo)
3-11 Ref gets GO's 3.06 for his 13.18 (O.Perez/Adenhart/09 picks)
3-12 Pete gets blue hen's 2.05 and 6.05 for his 4.15 and 6.15 (Soria)
3-12 bmd gets Species' 1.07 and 9.19 for his 14.16 (S. Drew)

Here are the Prospects:

Prospects
(Rounds 1-3 '04; Rds 4-5, '05;. Rds 6-8, '06 Draft; Rds 9-11, '07 Draft)

MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team, *if not in db/salary, (# Call-ups)

Allhair: 7.05 Wade Davis,P,TB; 9.08 Matt Wieters,C,Bal
bmd: 3.11 Ian Stewart,3B,Col; 9.12 Johnny Cueto,P,CIN; 10.05 Henry Sosa,SP,SF*
bj21: 9.11 Joba Chamberlain,P,NYY; 10.04 Jon Meloan,P,LAD; 11.01 Will Inman,P,MIL
Blue Hen: 7.02 Jose Tabata,OF,NYY; 8.01 Elvis Andrus,SS,ATL; 9.01 David Price,SP,TB
Code 4.06 Felix Pie,OF,CHC(1); 9.13 Wladimir Balentien,OF,SEA; 10.06 Brandon Jones,OF,ATL
Darkside: 4.05 Brandon Wood,SS,LAA; 6.01 Phil Hughes,SP,NYY; 9.02 Matt LaPorta,1B,MIL
GoatLocker 4.01 Justin Upton,OF,AZ(2); 4.07 Daric Barton,1B,Oak(1); 9.03 Eric Hurley,SP,TEX
Great One 6.03 Evan Longoria,3B,TB; 9.05 Michael Moustakas,SS,KC; 10.02 Beau Mills,IF,CLE
Guru: 4.14 Andy LaRoche,3B,LAD(1); 9.04 Kosuke Fukudome,OF,CHC; 10.01 Travis Snider,OF,TOR
MBJ: 4.15 Jay Bruce,OF,CIN; 7.19 Joey Votto,1B,CIN; 9.18 Angel Villalona,3B,SF
PD: 3.03 Joel Guzman,3B,TB; 4.03 Lastings Milledge,OF,NYM
Peter N: 4.02 Cameron Maybin,OF,DET(1); 9.16 Eric Patterson,SS,CHC; 10.09 Max Scherzer,P,ARI
Ref: 6.15 Luke Hochevar,P,KC; 9.15 Nick Adenhart,P,LAA; 9.17 Brandon Moss,OF,BOS; 10.10 Chase Headley,3B,SD
R9: 8.04 Greg Reynolds,P,Col; 9.14 Jacob McGee,P,TB; 10.07 Philip Humber,P,NYM
SlackYokel: 9.06 Jacoby Ellsbury,OF,BOS(1); 10.03 Fernando Martinez,OF,NYM
Species: 10.08 Ian Kennedy,P,NYY; 11.02 Jeff Clement,C,SEA
StL Cards: 7.03 Carlos Gonzalez,OF,AZ; 9.07 Colby Rasmus,OF,StL
Toral: 1.14 Andy Marte,3B,Cle; 6.06 Andrew McCutchen,OF,PIT; 9.09 Clayton Kershaw,P,LA
Tosh: 6.11 Andrew Miller,P,DET(1); 7.07 Adam Miller,P,CLE; 9.10 Rick Porcello,P,DET
Twarpy: 3.14 Jeff Niemann,P,TB; 9.19 Carlos Carrasco,SP,PHI; 10.11 Troy Patton,P,HOU

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Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:49

Forgot part of my own trade!

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	PermDude	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	Goatlocker	Ref	darkside	Species	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	mbj	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	darkside	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
5	Guru	Peter N.	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Peter N.	blue hen
6	blue hen	Ref	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	beastiemiked	Toral	Toral	blackjack21	Toral	Toral	Toral
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Toral	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	Tosh	Tosh	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	StlCards	R9	Great One	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	R9	blackjack21	Species	blackjack21	Great One	blackjack21	Guru
13	blackjack21	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	darkside	Peter N.	blue hen	Peter N.	blue hen	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
19	Ref	Species	darkside	Species	Species	Guru	Species
20	Toral	R9	Twarpy	Twarpy	Toral	Twarpy	Twarpy

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Goatlocker	Code	Goatlocker	Goatlocker
2	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
3	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
4	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	blackjack21	blackjack21
5	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen
6	Great One	Great One	blackjack21	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One
7	Twarpy	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Twarpy
8	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
9	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
10	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards	StlCards
11	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
12	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	blackjack21	Toral
13	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj	mbj
14	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
16	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	beastiemiked	Species
17	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code	Code
18	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Great One
19	Species	beastiemiked	Species	Species	Great One	Species	Species
20	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy	Twarpy

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

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Slizz
ID: 21733916
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:01

Whats going on guys...I know I'm not in the league and all, but I felt compelled to comment on Twarpy's sick pitching staff.

1. Albert Pujols, 1B, STL
2. David Wright, 3B, NYM
3. Ichiro Suzuki, OF, SEA
4. Johan Santana, SP, MIN
5. Jake Peavy, SP, SDG
6. Brandon Webb, SP, ARI
7. Chris R. Young, SP, SDG
8. Rich Harden, SP, OAK
9. Joe Borowski, RP, CLE

Santana, Peavy, and Webb...MY GOD.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:24

Housekeeping:

Prospects Changing Position From Draft:

Wood 3b, LaPorta OF, Moustokas 3b, Mills 1b, E. Patterson OF

No longer in db: Villalona

bmd's Sosa is the only other prospect not currently in the db.

Also have been identifying team changes the past week and found more today. That's not a biggie, but position changes could be huge.

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Great One
ID: 1122611
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:26

Its all taken care of. Species has arranged for a highly paid individual to take out all these players. Just call him Tonya Harding.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:27

Yeah, Twarpy's team is stacked. I did think of him yesterday though when I saw that Ichiro is 0 for the preseason. Last I saw he was 0-21.

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beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:43

When is the draft going up?

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:49

More Housekeeping:

CBS had a default that season started on March 30th. It gave me the option of starting on teh 25th. Since those games will count, we are starting on the 25th.

Add/drops have been turned on for the draft. You will be asked to pick up your own players as soon as you draft them (ask a commish if you can't please) but you may NOT drop anyone until waivers have been turned on.

Trade deadline is the same as always 11:59 pm on Aug 31st. At some point we will switch the settings to 9/1 so it doesn't erase trades, but the actual deadline will still be 8/31.

I HATE that CBS still has a lineup deadline of 30 mins before the scheduled start OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE DAY. I've asked every year to change it to 5 mins befor each game and they always say they will look into it. UGH!!! How can they do it for football and not baseball? They alerady have the code! Don't see them changing it now, but I'm gonna send them yet another note about it.

Trades will be approved by a commish until waivers are turned on. Then those trades will take at least one full day to allow the league a chance to veto. If you have a trade during the draft, it must be approved by a commish. If no one is around you may draft for the other person. Hard to imagine a trade being denied.

There have been no rule change proposals for this year. You may still propose prospects changes up until that deadline before the ASB. I haven't heard of any ideas. People seem pretty happy wit hthe status quo from what I've heard.

Going to start working on draft thread now...

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 15:58

To clarify, trades made before waivers are turned on will try and be approved immediately. Only after waivers hae started will they take at least one full day to be auto-approved.

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blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:20

Do you guys want to switch to ESPN? They lock at game time for each game, or it can be like CBS if you prefer...

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:36

The Draft Thread is open and we are underway. First three have been emailed.

We now move our discussion to our draft discussion thread in the Baseball Leagues Forum.

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StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 15:01

Why did we decide it was better to not start waivers until after the first games? I propose in the future we just run them after we are done drafting. I sure don't see anybody adding and dropping a bunch of players in the first two games if waivers were turned on, for one, most players worth owning are already owned, and two, in order to add a player someone else would have to be dropped from their team already. I don't see how these two games are any different than the single regular season game on March 30th?

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 15:32

We're still using our draft discussion thread until waivers are started. Do have a poll for the league about this very question.

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