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Subject: Auction League Interest

  Posted by: barilko6 - [22121613] Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 14:35
I am looking to set up one of the Roto Auction leagues through ESPN this year.

Categories would be standard 5x5. (OBP and AVG. can be debated once we have our 12-14 managers)

Just wondering if there is interest out there. Since we all have to be online at the same time during the draft, I am suggesting a Tuesday night with a draft start time of 9:30 pm EST. This is flexible.

Anyone interested?
 
1wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 17:26 		interested
 
2Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 17:48 		interested!
 
3Philsphan
      Sustainer
      ID: 301442416
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 18:09 		I'm interested.
 
4dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 19:33 		interested
 
5 GolfFreak
      ID: 6148421
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 21:11 		YES!!!
 
6barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 22:39 		Looking good!

Once we get a couple more people onboard, we can talk parameters.

I was thinking since there is no money aspect after the draft, (I believe after the initial auction is complete, money is moot?) the starting WW order could be most cash to least cash.



 
7Golffreak
      ID: 411140149
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 09:30 		Posting for SO Pro's he's in! Out of town!
 
8weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 09:37 		Interested.
 
9MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 11:07 		Interested
 
10R9
      ID: 21721142
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 20:02 		Interested!
 
11 I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 20:52 		Interested
 
12I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 20:53 		I can help troubleshoot any issues we may have on ESPN as well since I work on the fantasy team.
 
13 loki
      ID: 30153521
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 22:22 		Interested!!

But can only do a live draft on a Tuesday night.

 
14coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451159910
      Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 23:55 		Interested
 
15wazaaap_guy
      ID: 530581818
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 02:27 		interested
 
16barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 08:30 		Well there are our 14 guys. I wouldn't want to go any higher with this being a first year auction league.

Now that we have names established...I will post some league details a little later today for discussion.
 
17barilko6
      ID: 5014889
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 11:24 		Alright...here are my opening thoughts:

26 man roster, $260 to spend. Roster will look like this:

C
1b
2b
3b
SS
CI
MI
OF
OF
OF
OF
UTIL

8 Pitcher Slots
6 Bench Slots
2 IR Slots

Each position slot can be used for 162 games.
Pitching Inning Caps: 900 minimum, 1300 Maximum

Categories: Avg., HRS, RBI, RUNS, SB
W, SVS, ERA, WHIP, K

Non-Keeper (At least to start)

Main Question: FA WW?

Baseball is such a claim today play immediately game. Would a weekly claim process work? (Submit blind claims on Sunday?)

Here are some ideas:

1. After the auction, WW is open similar to any fantasy league, first come first serve, money values are over when the auction is over.

2. Each team gets a specific amount of FA money to spend. Say, every team gets $260 and can place a blind bid on players on Sunday, and should they win the bid, that money gets subtracted from their FA budget.

3. Only leftover money from the initial $260 is used. So if you have $50 leftover from the auction, that is your FA budget for the year. I personally like this one the least as it would drastically limit waiver moves throughout the year, as most teams would have very limited funds to use.

I think I like the first one best, only because you have the ability to add a guy on the spot and use him right away. We could place a fee on all FA pickups, say $5 and that money is deleted from your FA Fund of $260 every time you claim a guy. That would put more value into the strategy of whether you might want to claim a guy or not.

Open to all thoughts and discussions here...
 
18DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 11:54 		I'm not in your league, but I might suggest a hybrid between 2 and 3: set an amount of free agent $ that everyone gets after the draft, and allow people to add their leftover cash to that amount.
 
19barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 12:38 		That is interesting, and also offers value to managers who have leftover auction money as well.

Then would you go with a once a week claiming process?
 
20DWetzel on bb
      ID: 590182120
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 14:40 		Tough to say with baseball. I think weekly might be too little, but twice a week might be an interesting compromise. Alternatively, you might leave things open but have transactions still have a cost.
 
21Philsphan
      Sustainer
      ID: 301442416
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 15:30 		If there is a cost for a WW pickup, would we see a refund of some sort for releasing a player? Especially, say, if a more expensive player goes down with a season-ending injury? Is there to be s similar cost for for a FA pickup?


The problem, as I see it, is that there is a limit placed on the amount of waiver activity if we have a set dollar amount to spend. Is that what the intention is?
 
22barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 16:11 		Yeah...it would be a lot of work to find time to do it more than once a week I would think. Then I would want someone to help out with that.

Its not as easy as football where you only play one game per week.

I definitely don't want to curtail add/drops, so I guess we need to find the best way to do that.

Maybe we have daily bids? I would think that getting 2, 3, or 4 bids or so per day would be easier to process for me than a whole bunch 2 days a week.

We could also limit 1 blind bid per manager per day to help with the workload. That means a manager could still put in 7 bids per week.

The only thing that would need to be covered would be when I am away.


Having the whole money aspect erased after the auction, and making all waiver players free and available would defintely be the easiest route, and we could reward the thriftiest spenders by placing them on the top of the Waiver Claim list.
 
23barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Sun, Feb 08, 2009, 16:17 		Waiting List for Auction League:

1. Barilko6
2. Wiggs
3. Species
4. Philsphan
5. DPR
6. Golffreak
7. SO
8. Weykool
9. Mike V.
10. R9
11. I Hate Philadelphia
12. Loki
13. Coldwater Coyotes
14. Waazaap Guy

If anyone else is interested, post here, and you will be added to the list in the even one of the above drops out.
 
24Fosten
      ID: 500461016
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 03:02 		Interested
 
25R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 16:03 		In order of preference:

1) Leave it open, and WW order is most money left over to least money left over. (Random # generator to split ties)

2) A blind bidding system for FA's daily (maybe by Email), at midnight we open the emails and see who gets who. (Player to be dropped would be included in the email)

3) Fixed cost for add/drops, with extra draft money carried over as a bonus.

I prefer 1 the most because its the simplest. I could see some issues arising with time availability, and it would be a mess for someone to not get the player they wanted because the FA handlers were away or MIA for a day or two.

I dislike 3 the most as it would restrict WW action, require supervision, and doesn't really add much to the league.

#2, while time-intensive for whoever runs it (maybe a committee), would be pretty fun. What would make it awesome would be if someone could write a .html script or something, where we would all submit our daily bids blind, and the website reveals them all at midnight. Hands-off approach. (I have no idea how easy/hard this would be to code.)
 
26barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 16:20 		Hey...that HTML idea is great. Surely one of the computer dudes around here would be able to figure something like that out, no?

Then we could just add our own players each day via bidding.
 
27wazaaap_guy
      ID: 11053617
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 19:44 		Any chance we can make this a keeper league from the get go? Looks like we've got a pretty good group of managers, and post 17 seems to indicate we might switch to one eventually anyway.

Additionally, if we are going to put a lot of effort into it (like the html thing), thoughts on making it a money league to ensure managers stay involved? Maybe something like $20 or $25?

I would vote for the whole $100 to spend on FA throughout the year thing. Isn't that generally industry standard for auction leagues? I would vote for a $1 minimum bid on all claimed players. I would be ok with either daily or weekly transactions. If that html thing isn't possible, it might be difficult for someone to check in everyday to push these moves through though.
 
28barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 20:13 		I was thinking about the keeper thing, and my other leagues are all keepers, and I would love to have a league where you have a shot at any player you want. And with the auction, that is possible...you can bid on all the top guys if you want! (Money permitting of course)

I would be up for throwing some money into the pot however.

To keep things interesting though, what if we looked into a RBIC-like format where maybe the bottom 2 teams are replaced each year?

As it stands, I would love to have a website that could help with claims, but failing that, I think leaving claims open, and setting the WW order to the most money left over to least money left over is the most viable option.

Thoughts?
 
29barilko6
      ID: 58133021
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 21:06 		If we do add a fee to the league, I would ask someone to be the treasurer, because being in Canada kind of messes up with the currency and fees and all.
 
30I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 21:45 		I second all of WG's post number 27. I'm not big on being kicked out of a keeper league after year one.
 
31barilko6
      ID: 19124920
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 21:47 		Agreed...but I was suggesting we go non-keeper, not kicking people out of a keeper league.

I would prefer to have it non-keeper.
 
32coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451159910
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 14:12 		I am OK on either keeper or non keeper league. I would vote
against dropping anybody out of the league.
 
33barilko6
      ID: 48563014
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 14:18 		Ok...so I got some info from a computer rotoguru guru.

Having a website for bid posting would be easy enough to set up...however...we would need to find one that supports Java applications, and then figure out what cost would be attached to this. He didn't know of any websites that host that would be free, or even low in cost.

 
34weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 15:41 		I was in a auction keeper league.
Any player on the waiver wire after the draft was $1.
If a player was dropped he retained is bid value.
After the draft was finished we had a "waiver claim draft" to account for players on the DL and any other 'missed players" post draft.
After that it was fisrt come first served.
To keep managers from stocking up on prespects we used a short bench of 3 players.

To deal with the prices of picking up prospects for $1 the prices of all keepers we escalated each season.
The first season a player was kept you added $3.
The second season you added another $6 and then $9.
We also had a minimum keeper value of $7.

I would prefer a system that was more automated and didnt require too much human intervention.
 
35barilko6
      ID: 48563014
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 16:34 		Yeah, minimal human work would be best!


Having said that:
Unless we get a computer program that can automate things, I suggest we go with every player not drafted being a free agent, and the WW order will be based upon who has the most cash left after the initial auction is complete.

I say we go with non-keeper.
 
36loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 17:37 		I would prefer a non-keeper league and am against dropping managers.
 
37barilko6
      ID: 48563014
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 17:46 		YoungRoman is working on something very cool which might be able to handle our bidding needs.

Not sure if it could be fully functional this year, but that guy is pretty smart.
 
38barilko6
      ID: 48563014
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 18:02 		Alright...so it definitely appears people do not want the bottom 2 guys dropped, so that is out.
 
39R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 19:48 		I'd prefer a non-keeper league, but I have no objections to a keeper.
 
40wazaaap_guy
      ID: 11053617
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 12:37 		Isn't part of the reason to implement the bidding to address the keeper issue? Like that you don't want someone who is quick to the FA pool have a bunch of great keepers for like a buck? If it's non keeper, is there really a big harm in just doing a straight, first-come, first-served FA process? Sure, those who act fast are still advantaged, but they only benefit for this year, and the waiver process still controls non-FA.
 
41Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 13:18 		I like the idea of FAAB (Free Agent Acquisition Budget) at a certain level for all, with any leftover funds from the initial auction added to it to give those who managed their $$ well an advantage.
 
42barilko6
      ID: 48563014
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 14:39 		re: 40: I agree with this point. I mean every other baseball league is first come first serve, so it wouldn't be too different with an auction league.

re: 41: Having that budget setup is definitely the ideal, but we would need at least 3 guys to step up and help out with all the work that it would take.

 
44loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 23:26 		I have no experience in setting up this type of league, but would this site be useful for our league? ESPN Fantasy Draft Site
 
45barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 08:36 		Yeah, we will be using ESPN for our live draft. Once the draft is complete, their money aspect is complete as well, turning into just a regular draft with regular claims.
 
46Philsphan
      Sustainer
      ID: 301442416
      Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 10:20 		There is a place in the LM tools on ESPN for the league manager to give dollar values to certain transactions:

League Entry Fee $0
Misc League Fee $0
Cost Per Trade $0
Cost Per Acquisition $0
Cost Per Drop $0
Cost to Move Player to Active $0
Cost to Move Player to DL $0

While I've never used them as commish in the one league I'm in there, it seems that this might provide a solution that could work. I can't find anything under the rules section as to how these counters work, but the Cost Per Acquisition and Cost Per Drop might offer a solution for our purposes here.

Does anybody have any experience with this?
 
47weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 11:05 		Those are transaction fees for pay leagues.
In the league I was in you paid $125 to enter and then the fees were added to the payout pot.
 
48barilko6
      ID: 37116178
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 13:47 		Alright...

So we are going with 14 teams.
$260 Payroll
26 Man Rosters
Non-Keeper
Open WW after auction, with the players with the most remaining money getting top waiver priority.

If managers have equal amounts of money left over, we will do the dice roll thing.


Categories: Avg. R RBIs HRs SB
W, Sv, ERA, WHIP, K's



C
1b
2b
3b
SS
CI
MI
OF
OF
OF
OF
UTIL

8 Pitcher Slots (No difference between SP or RP)
6 Bench Slots
2 IR Slots

Each position slot can be used for 162 games.
Pitching Inning Caps: 900 minimum, 1300 Maximum

If you fall under 900 IP, then you will place last in all relevant pitching categories. (WHIP, ERA)

Trades will be commissioner approved. If you have a problem with a trade, send an email to commissioner.

Draft Date Options:

Tue March 31st: 9:30 pm
Thursday April 2nd: 9:30 pm

Post here if those dates work/do not work for you.


 
49barilko6
      ID: 37116178
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:06 		Confirmed list of Managers

1. Barilko6
2. Wiggs
3. Species
4. Philsphan
5. DPR
6. Golffreak
7. SO
8. Weykool
9. Mike V.
10. R9
11. I Hate Philadelphia
12. Loki
13. Coldwater Coyotes
14. Waazaap Guy
 
50wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:14 		how are we going to do this draft? All in a room and bid or pass in an order?

I have only done auction drafts with random bids- and if no one is bid on for 8 hours or so they are sold

this is a link for our football draft.

auction draft
 
51R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:19 		There are some live auction draft softwares out there we can look into. Rotowire has one that I used last year. Definitely think that is the way to go...
 
52R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:21 		I can;t make it Tuesday the 31st. Got a poker tourney the 31st from 7pm to 'whenever we get down to 9 players'. Got a class on the Thursday, but I can skip that. :p
 
53wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:24 		love your priorities R9 :)
 
54dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:27 		I should be fine making either of the dates.

Also for how we do the draft I assume that we will be using ESPNs software since that is where we are holding the league. If you look there are mock drafts that you can sign up for to get a feel for the system. There likely wont be many participants but still show how the system works.

Pretty much you alternate nominating players and then each player has around a 30 second clock til they move on to the next player. It runs the auctioneer process with the going once going twice...
 
55MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:27 		Rotowire says they are not offering live auction drafts this year.
 
56barilko6
      ID: 401531712
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:32 		Yeah, I was thinking of going with ESPN. I sat in a couple of mocks, and while it sucked with guys bidding $78 for Albert Pujols, you can get a sense of what they offer.

All the managers show up at the same time and place, and then one manager posts a player and the bidding goes around until there is a 15 second downtime. I finished 2 drafts in less than an hour each. I suppose our group would take a little longer, but wouldn't think it would take more than 2 hours.

 
57barilko6
      ID: 401531712
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:33 		If you want to try a Mock with ESPN, click on Loki's link in post 44
 
58barilko6
      ID: 401531712
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:35 		Current Availability Preferences

1. Barilko6 (Tuesday or Thursday)
2. Wiggs
3. Species
4. Philsphan
5. DPR (Tuesday or Thursday)
6. Golffreak
7. SO
8. Weykool
9. Mike V.
10. R9 (Thursday)
11. I Hate Philadelphia
12. Loki
13. Coldwater Coyotes
14. Waazaap Guy
 
59Philsphan
      Sustainer
      ID: 301442416
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:44 		The ESPN auction site is very slick.

Either night should be fine with me.
 
60wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:51 		both dates should be fine- Tuesday no issues- Thursday I might be a little late if we can make that work- I have a volleyball game at 830 they take about 45 min to an hour- 10 minute drive home
 
61barilko6
      ID: 401531712
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 14:56 		1. Barilko6 (Tuesday or Thursday)
2. Wiggs (Tuesday, Thursday, 10 pm)
3. Species
4. Philsphan (Tuesday or Thursday)
5. DPR (Tuesday or Thursday)
6. Golffreak
7. SO
8. Weykool
9. Mike V.
10. R9 (Thursday)
11. I Hate Philadelphia
12. Loki
13. Coldwater Coyotes
14. Waazaap Guy
 
62MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 15:01 		I'm ok with either
 
63weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 15:13 		Either date should be fine for me.
 
64barilko6
      ID: 401531712
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 16:30 		1. Barilko6 (Tuesday or Thursday)
2. Wiggs (Tuesday, Thursday, 10 pm)
3. Species
4. Philsphan (Tuesday or Thursday)
5. DPR (Tuesday or Thursday)
6. Golffreak
7. SO
8. Weykool (Tuesday or Thursday)
9. Mike V. (Tuesday or Thursday)
10. R9 (Thursday)
11. I Hate Philadelphia
12. Loki
13. Coldwater Coyotes
14. Waazaap Guy
 
65wazaaap_guy
      ID: 11053617
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 18:29 		Can't do Thursday.
 
66Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 18:58 		OK for either date
 
67loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 20:18 		Tuesday is fine for me. I need to check at work to see if I can get coverage for Thursday night before I can commit.

I entered 2 mock drafts at the ESPN site, and it looks like it could work for us.

 
68loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 20:37 		Can we transfer this thread to the Baseball Leagues/Standings Forum?
 
69barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 21:22 		1. Barilko6 (Tuesday or Thursday)
2. Wiggs (Tuesday, Thursday, 10 pm)
3. Species (Tuesday or Thursday)
4. Philsphan (Tuesday or Thursday)
5. DPR (Tuesday or Thursday)
6. Golffreak
7. SO
8. Weykool (Tuesday or Thursday)
9. Mike V. (Tuesday or Thursday)
10. R9 (Thursday)
11. I Hate Philadelphia
12. Loki (Tuesday, maybe Thursday)
13. Coldwater Coyotes
14. Waazaap Guy (Tuesday)
 
70barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 21:24 		We are running into slight conflicts, with 1 manager unable to go on Tuesday, and 1 maybe 2 guys unable to make Thursday.

Let's see where the last 4 guys come in and work from there.

Still need to hear from:

Golffreak
SO
I Hate Philadelphia
Coldwater Coyotes
 
71coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451159910
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 22:21 		Either night is OK
 
72 barilko6
      ID: 46159186
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 08:30 		1. Barilko6 (Tuesday or Thursday)
2. Wiggs (Tuesday, Thursday, 10 pm)
3. Species (Tuesday or Thursday)
4. Philsphan (Tuesday or Thursday)
5. DPR (Tuesday or Thursday)
6. Golffreak
7. SO
8. Weykool (Tuesday or Thursday)
9. Mike V. (Tuesday or Thursday)
10. R9 (Thursday)
11. I Hate Philadelphia
12. Loki (Tuesday, maybe Thursday)
13. Coldwater Coyotes (Tuesday or Thursday)
14. Waazaap Guy (Tuesday)


If everyone who is in could fire me off an email, stating who they are (if its not obvious) through my email addy, then I can start an email chain.

I have some of the addresses, but not all.
 
73 GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 09:34 		Will post tonite, need to ask wife and boss which one works.

Sent Pros a email as well.
 
74 proteins
      ID: 461561810
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:57 		Any day is fine for me.
 
75barilko6
      ID: 171241810
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:01 		So Tuesday is shaping up to work for everyone but R9!

Checking another date:

How does Wednesday April 1st at 10:00 pm work for everyone?
 
76MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:07 		4/1 is fine
 
77 I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:41 		Either night is ok for me
 
78 I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:45 		Glad to hear we are using ESPN. I happen to work on the product so if anyone has any questions or needs any help let me know. Its far from perfect, but we are always striving to improve, and I think we are the best in the industry for the breadth of options we offer.
 
79coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451159910
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:08 		April 1st is fine with me.
It looks that the 2nd will now be a problem.
 
80I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:12 		As long as its after 9:30pm ET it should work for me however I must warn you that these auction drafts typically take around 5 hours. Could be a rough night.
 
81barilko6
      ID: 171241810
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:15 		5 Hours?!? Damn...the mocks are taking 30 minutes. Now I mean that is a mock, and people are stupid, but I didn't think it would be that much of a bump up.

 
82Philsphan
      Sustainer
      ID: 301442416
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:23 		The mocks I have been in have lasted at least 2 hours each, and that was with most people leaving after 40-50 picks. it speeds up considerably once the automated process takes over.

Can we move the date to a Friday night?
 
83I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:42 		Yeah when people are actually drafting and not going on auto pick it can take considerably longer. I imagine this would be the case, though we could change the Nomination clock to a shorter time, like 10 seconds and even the bidding clock. If we changed these we would be able to then change them to longer time increments later in the draft to allow for more obscure picks.
 
84loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:56 		Tuesday is still best for me, but I was able to change my schedule and can do Thursday.

Re:81-Take a look at the settings available to the commissioner; it would be logical for you to be able to set the maximum time allowed to nominate a player before the program chooses one. You also might be able to limit the time from when the bid is made until the player is declared sold.

The math: (14 teams)X(26 players per team)X(0.5 minute per nomination, bids and sale)=182 minutes or 3 hours.

Would it be possible to start earlier than 9:30 PM EDT?

 
85loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 13:58 		Re:83-Did not see your post prior to mine.
 
86Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 14:10 		Re 84: With respect to our Eastern time zone bretheren, it would be hard for me on the West Coast to be ready any earlier than 7:30pm ET - and that's bailing out of work at least an hour early (which I can do).
 
87barilko6
      ID: 171241810
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 14:15 		Thursdays I can definitely start earlier, but as Species mentioned, we do have some westies here that we have to consider. Tuesdays I work until 8:45ish.

Not sure if everyone wants to spend a Friday night bouncing away on the internet, do we?


Let me check some settings and see what can be altered.
 
88I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 14:16 		No worries. To break it down, the default setting everyone gets 30 seconds to nominate and then the bidding starts with a clock of 30 seconds. Anytime a bid is made with less than 10 seconds on the clock it resets to 10 seconds.

I would ballpark a more realistic average of at least 1 minute per player. In order to make that faster I would suggest we shorten the nomination clock to 10 seconds and the bidding clock to 20 seconds for the first 150 players. This would speed up the draft immensely. Bariko if you'd like I can take care of this during the draft.
 
89I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 14:16 		http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/flb/story?page=flbrulesauctionoverview2009
 
90I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 14:18 		One last idea, if we can't get a time together would be to do a slow auction. I know we did this last year for a league and it worked out pretty well. I don't exactly remember how it worked, but maybe WG could fill in on some of the details, as he was in the league as well
 
91barilko6
      ID: 171241810
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 14:29 		Species, I Hate Philadelphia, Proteins, and Golffreak have been sent invites.

Personally, I would very much prefer a fast draft, with all of us there in one room. If one person cannot make a set time, I think we need to look at a substitue selector, or replacement.

I don't think I can change the times set for selecting players/bids until I select an actual draft date and time.
 
92I hate Philadelphia
      ID: 58156513
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 15:26 		Those settings, time per pick and nomination will have to be changed once the draft is launched. In a custom draft there is a tab called LM tools. Using this tab you will be able to edit these.

As for availability I will be available any night except Wednesdays before 9:30pm. I'm also away 3/10 - 3/19 but assume we wouldn't be drafting that early anyway.
 
93R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 15:35 		Wednesday the 1st is the 2nd night of the 2-night tourney, so I can't really plan anything for that night either.

So far it looks like I'm the only one unable to make the Tuesday. Its still early of course, but if we can't find another day I'll back out and you guys can run it on the 31st with a replacement.
 
94barilko6
      ID: 171241810
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 18:12 		Golf...I messed up your invite. Invite resent.
 
95GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 23:20 		Signed up. Either day works for me as well.

Tue March 31st:
Thursday April 2nd:
 
96Fosten
      ID: 500461016
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 01:33 		Hey guys, I'm still keeping an eye on the thread, and ready to step in if anything opens up. I'd love to do this league. Peace.
 
97barilko6
      ID: 50118199
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 10:30 		I have you listed as number 1 sub Fosten.


6 managers have signed up on ESPN, still looking for the rest to send me an email.


 
98coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451159910
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 12:53 		My email: will@newmarketcap.com
 
99MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 13:01 		mikevivian@yahoo.com
 
100barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 13:57 		Sent invites.

still missing a couple managers...
 
101dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 14:02 		drussell743@berkeley.edu
 
102 R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 15:52 		.
 
103 wazaaap_guy
      ID: 11053617
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 20:55 		: )
 
104barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 08:31 		Invite sent fellas.


Just need to hear from Wiggs and Loki. And Proteins still needs to respond to the invite.

Guys, are you out there?
 
105GolfFreak
      Leader
      ID: 01730209
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 08:59 		Got a email from Proteins last nite saying he was at a properties auction on Friday and was having problems signing up. Will try to help him Friday nite.

 
106barilko6
      ID: 3118208
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 09:08 		Thanks Golf.

There is no rush needed to actually sign up for the league, but it would be much easier to send mail-outs to all the managers involved to get certain things worked out.
 
107 loki
      ID: 41145199
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 11:01 		I have not received the invite. I am having computer problems and although I can use OE for email, I cannot connect to the www.
 
108barilko6
      ID: 3118208
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 11:10 		Loki...you didn't receive the invite because I didn't want to waste time sending it to randomly selected email addresses. (In other words, you never responded to the 4 requests for emails here on this forum until now...haha!!!)

Invite sent!
 
109barilko6
      ID: 3118208
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 11:43 		Just an FYI:

My buddy did a full auction draft with ESPN last night, 12 guys (2 less than us) same sized rosters and he said it took 4 hours and 15 minutes.

All the managers were there. He said time was wasted on the nomination of players (too long, which we can change) and then 2 managers gettting into "a pissing match" by continually bidding each other up with one second left on the clock for about 5 or 6 guys---which of course irritated everyone.

He said the actual bidding clock was good. It started at 20 seconds, and if someone rebid with less than 10 seconds left, it would reset to 10 seconds, which was a good amount of time. I asked, and he did suggest that the inital 20 seconds could have easily been lowered to 15 without any concerns.

So I think we can honestly look at a 4 hour draft, maybe less depending on how we tighten up the nominating time. (If a manager doesn't nominate, the bot just takes the highest rated guy.)
 
110loki
      ID: 41145199
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 13:13 		Re:108-Sorry. I thought that you already had my email address from post 13 and from the DD thread.
 
111barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 13:17 		haha...I didn't see post 13! Touché! Sigh...Us Canadians and our french words.

 
112 wiggs
      ID: 0139914
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 15:54 		<--- email

I could do wednesday
 
113Fosten
      ID: 281202220
      Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 21:37 		Would anybody be interested in expanding this league to 16 teams? Might make for some fun competition. I am still interested if you'll have me. Peace.
 
114barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 12:25 		I think we need to make sure we can get 14 guys on a certain date before we expand. As it is, we might have one manager that cannot make the date that everyone else can make.

Once I have everyone signed up onto ESPN, I can start sending group emails talking about specific dates.
 
115dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:29 		If the draft is going to take several hours I would prefer a tuesday night to a thursday.
 
116wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:31 		I think expanding to 16 would be too much- 1st of all it makes things real thin- which I could live with, but 2nd it add like 50 more players to the auction that is already expected to take like 4 hours.
 
117barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:37 		Totally agree Wiggs.
 
118loki
      ID: 381402013
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 14:06 		As per post 115, I would prefer a Tuesday night also, and I would rather not have another night added to the mix.
 
119barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 15:19 		Yeah, it definitely looks as though Tuesday March 31st is the day that almost all prefer.

R9, I sent you a quick email with some ideas of how we can make Tuesday work for you.
 
120R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 18:09 		As I am the only one unable to make the Tuesday, and since Fosten is ready to step in, I'll back out and let you guys run it on Tuesday.

Good luck everyone! :)
 
121barilko6
      ID: 331161121
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 15:20 		Alright....Fosten, I will email you the signup info.

That is if you are still interested in joining.
 
122barilko6
      ID: 1525937
      Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 10:29 		Auction email sent out regarding draft time and league integrity.

Any questions, please send me an email
 
123dpr
      ID: 552411820
      Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 21:29 		Unfortunately I need to bail on this league. I found out today that there is a review session for a stat class I am taking scheduled at the same time. LAst time the session was very helpful so I do not feel I should miss it. I am sorry for leaving so alte and I hope it does not mess the draft up for you guys.
 
124 R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 03:42 		Hey, if you guys need a replacement again (for dpr) I am now available. My tourney day was shifted to Monday.
 
125barilko6
      ID: 4827305
      Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 07:14 		Ok...deleted team Russell, sent invite to R9.

Great to have you back R9, thanks for filling the space!
 
126R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Mar 30, 2009, 09:46 		Thanks! Signed up, ready to go.
 
127Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 18:09 		Are we good? Last I checked there were only 13 people signed up at ESPN.
 
128Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 18:12 		Scratch that. Looks like 14.

9pm ET? I thought it was going to be earlier but I could have easily missed the memo.
 
129barilko6
      ID: 23217297
      Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 18:14 		Yep...there are 14 of us on there. Should be fun tonight! Stock up on some chips and beer and get the smack talk ready!
 
130Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 18:32 		9pm ET is accurate though, b6?
 
131barilko6
      ID: 23217297
      Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 18:35 		Yep
 
132weykool
      ID: 292442910
      Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 19:37 		Having trouble signing in.
Can someone look at which name I used?
 
133weykool
      ID: 292442910
      Tue, Mar 31, 2009, 19:38 		NM
 
135weykool
      ID: 292442910
      Wed, Apr 01, 2009, 03:29 		Alex,I will take Ryan Braun for $25 please.
 
136R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Apr 01, 2009, 22:13 		LOL
 
137barilko6
      ID: 23217297
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 17:16 		Who is around to help with the random ordering for the WW?
 
138 MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 17:24 		I am
 
139barilko6
      ID: 23217297
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 17:29 		Alright...Random set of numbers sent to I Hate Philly from Blue Hen. I sent random list of Managers to I Hate Philly.

We shall see what happens! The only other thing needed is to break the tie between Wiggs and Munson Mobsters
 
140barilko6
      ID: 23217297
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 18:07 		Final Waiver Wire Order:


I Hate Philly
Wazzup Guy
Wiggs
Munsun Mobsters
Proteins
Coldwater
Hoboken
Weykool
Diligad
Bariko
Gf brew
Species
Wake up sleepy
Illinois Phillies
 
141loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 13:41 		Look at the posts on the ESPN vs. Yahoo thread to see effects on our league.
 
142loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 20:11 		barilko66-Very nice pick up of ROY Travis, any relation to Duke, Snider. I thought he was taken, or I would have grabbed him. I haven't played in more than one league per season before, and I find it difficult sometimes to keep the FAs straight. 3 leagues are enough for me, and I am a little in awe of those in more.-l