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Subject: Gurupie 20 2011 Season 9 Discussion

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 14:23

Previous Season's Thread

Welcome to the 9th season of our league! We are working to get everyone and everything set up in ESPN. There will have to be some rule changes based on moving sites. I expect to be a few things to come up along the way as well. We will roll with it, do what we need to do and have fun!

As you are invited, please take a few mins to familiarize yourself with the site. I am unsure as of yet if we are replacing anyone. I'm also unsure how we are going to handle players/trading/keepers/deadlines etc. Please bear with us.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 14:30

Did anyone capture our last season's standings for our draft?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 14:35

Species got it!

2010

Rank Team Batting Pitching Total Dif Behind
1 Endangered Species 90.5 83.5 174.0 -1.0 0.0
2 Blue Hen 87.0 71.5 158.5 -1.5 15.5
3 GO's Gaslight Anthem 87.0 68.0 155.0 -2.0 19.0
4 Ref's Red Crosses of Doom 51.0 91.5 142.5 3.0 31.5
5 bmd 66.0 67.0 133.0 -6.0 41.0
6 GoatLockers Goons 54.0 75.5 129.5 -0.5 44.5
7 Slizz's Salami Farts 53.0 75.0 128.0 1.0 46.0
8 Jaydog 84.5 36.0 120.5 -1.0 53.5
9 Darkside of ACME 56.5 59.0 115.5 1.5 58.5
10 Slackjawed Yokel 56.0 59.0 115.0 3.5 59.0
11 Guru 37.5 65.0 102.5 2.5 71.5
12 youngroman's Luschen 74.5 26.5 101.0 -2.0 73.0
13 Judy's Ghostie 48.0 42.0 90.0 0.0 84.0
14 Tosh 14.5 74.5 89.0 5.5 85.0
15 allhair allstars 49.0 39.0 88.0 -2.0 86.0
16 mjd 45.5 24.0 69.5 0.0 104.5
17 Minor and the Minorettes 34.5 32.0 66.5 -0.5 107.5
18 Toral Blues 26.0 30.0 56.0 -2.0 118.0
19 Pete's Pansies 17.0 24.0 41.0 0.0 133.0
20 Mo Vaughn's Breakfast Buffet 18.0 7.0 25.0 1.5 149.0

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 14:38

yay Species!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 14:46

Historical Standings/Records

Constitution and Rules at CBS site through 2010

G20 Rosters end of 2010

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 16:07

I have the draft grid, pre-lottery, already set up at work :)

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 23:20

trying to load the Phillies P as my logo and it will not work.

Any suggestions or is it not possible to do?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 23:23

judy - it should work, but there are limits to the size of the file. Don't ask me....just try searching more Phillies logos and try for a smaller sized one.

HEY - we are in need of another manager for R9's Auction Keeper league. Check out league thread.....will be a blast.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 10:30

Anyone want Wainwright?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 13:43

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	PermDude	PermDude	Great One	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
2	Peter N.	blue hen	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
3	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
4	Slizz	R9	R9	blue hen	Slizz	R9	R9
5	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
6	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
7	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
8	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
9	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
12	judy	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
13	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
14	Slizz	Slizz	blue hen	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
16	bmd	bmd	Toral	bmd	bmd	Toral	bmd
17	Ref	Peter N.	Ref	Peter N.	mjd	Ref	Ref
18	Guru	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	darkside	Great One
19	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	bmd
20	Species	Species	Species	Toral	youngroman	Species	Species

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
2	Peter N.	GoatLocker	Ref	Peter N.	Peter N.	GoatLocker	Ref
3	bmd	Toral	bmd	Species	Toral	Toral	Toral
4	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
5	mjd	Ref	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
6	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
7	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
8	judy	Slizz	judy	judy	judy	judy	darkside
9	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	Species
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Great One	Guru
11	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
12	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	Great One	darkside	darkside
13	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
14	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	judy	R9	R9
15	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
16	bmd	bmd	blue hen	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
17	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
18	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	PermDude	Species	Great One
19	blue hen	Peter N.	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Slizz	R9
20	Species	Great One	Species	Species	Species	Species	Species

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 13:43

[9] was produced by Species. The first round will eventually need to be adjusted for the loottery.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 13:47

All teams have been invited. We have to have everyone signed in before we can start adding players to our teams. Not sure if everyone can add their own or a Commish has to do it.

Prospects: It would be cool to have something like watchlist that a commish could CHOOSE to add to the league that would show up next to add/watchlist area for prospects. That would serve something similar to what prospects did on CBS as far as before they are added. Or perhaps that could be the can't add list that BH was looking at that shows up there?

youngroman
Sustainer
ID: 02934823
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 14:22

here are our historic results in a google spreadsheet.

standings
category breakdown

I hope the franchise column in the standings is correct. I am not a member since the beginning, but I think that I successfully tracked down all the franchise and team name changes through the years.

just remind me to update it every season. I can also give you edit access if you want

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 16:11

Baseball Managers

YR, I can look up and figure out what the pword is and have you update it on our g20/24 web site as you wish. Try and keep all leagues current here and you know a lot more about that stuff than I do.

I was going to send an email out, but I am not sure if all of my emails are the most current. It is from my own email list so if it was changed, I might not have gotten it.

Here are the people who have not yet signed in:
darkside
jaydog
peter n
slizz
yokel
allhair
PD

darkside
Achiever
ID: 3590317
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 20:11

I've joined the league.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 20:36

ditto.

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 21:06

I just signed up as well.

Peter N.
ID: 42110168
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 22:01

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 22:12

Are we drafting here or in the new draftime program??

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 14:47

Still have three owners needing to sign in:
Jaydog
Slizz (he's coming back but can't to unblocked computer for another day or two)
AA (tried gmail address now). He has posted recently.

If anyone has any questions or comments on the site--now's a good time to do that.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 16:11

Oh, by the way, I am coming back.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 17:30

Jaydog will be in. He's on vacation this week.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 10:36

Can anyone figure out how to add players? I'm thinking we might have to make an offline draft date and go from there. Or, it could be my initial inclination that all 20 managers have to have logged in.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 10:50

I'm pretty sure it has to do with the draft.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 13:07

23: Well I set the offline draft and that is past. Still can't add players. BH, can you find out?

Ignore when you get the email about an offline draft. I'd like to be able to get our 23 players added and go from there. Problem is verifying prospects and adding them etc. CBS has a pretty nice way to verify prospects. Hopefully ESPN does as well for all games played/IP, etc. I'm thinking they will based on some of the things I've discovered in hoops. Also, might expand rosters as before to include these prospects than chagne the settings back after the draft.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 13:16

In the LM Tools section it says:
Offline Draft Tools - Available Soon

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 09:49

Looks like LMs may add one player at a time to a roster.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 10:20

Yep - I just added Youk.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 11:08

Could just give everyone LM privs so they could add their own players.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 11:14

Or, wait until every team has signed in, and then close the draft and open the league for add/drops from all teams.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 13:29

I thought I closed the draft by making it in the past. I'd like to do that right now if possible so people could add their own players so we can figure out trading easier. I have gotten inquiries/offers already. I'm sure others have as well.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 13:30

Reminder: You must fill your league prior to your draft.

allhair allstars
ID: 22202514
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 13:18

Trying to get my log in straightened out. Soon...

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 17:23

Slizz is having issues getting in--if anyone can assist him. Says he gets to where he needs to sign in for team 14 and then nothing happens. Email him. He's the only one not in yet and he's been trying all weekend it sounds like. We can't proceed until our league is full.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 21:58

CAN we have a "ball park" time table for:
declaring keepers ( will we list here as before --please?)
start of draft -- where is draft being held -- here or draftime??

thanks.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 21:22

We need Slizz to get signed in still.

allhair allstars
ID: 912190
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 01:15

Can a commish sign up for him? Is it an issue with his ESPN account, or something to do with his registering his team?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 01:42

Perhaps he's got more than one ESPN account, and he's accessing ESPN through one that is not associated with this league?

That happened to me once, and it was damn annoying. I could get in and see the standings, teams, lineups, etc., but I couldn't make any moves and it wouldn't tell me why.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 10:11

Slizz should call 888-549-ESPN. They can walk him through the process. Or perhaps Ref can call and they can walk him through the LM part of the process.

Great One
ID: 161202314
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 10:16

I also had trouble with a couple of different ID's, and they auto-renewed my insider on one of them so I had to call and shut my old one down.

slizz
ID: 5611142722
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 19:31

hey...sorry guys, I've been without Internet Access for the past month outside of my blackberry due to the new move.

I have internet access tonight and comcast is coming this weekend.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 20:51

slizz,

Let me know if there is anything I can help with. Since I work from home I'm on the comp all day long.

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 22:54

I'd like to propose a rule change. Add a second percentage to hitting stats. Have an equal number of counting and % stats for pitchers and hitters.

Change HR to SLG %. If not this year, maybe next to give managers time to adjust accordingly, but I'd venture to guess many of us are already involved in similar formats in other leagues.

I agree that it's easier to look at HR numbers when looking at pure power guys, but doubles and triples currently have the same value as a base hit. The change would add value to guys who aren't big power guys, but get extra base hits and reward hustle for taking that extra base.

If nothing else maybe stir up some chatter now that we don't have CBS to complain about anymore.

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 00:09

I definitely would prefer Slg% over hrs.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 02:05

So long as it is phased in, I would agree to this.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 10:42

I vote against changing HR->SLG. In that system, players like Ichiro actually hurt your team, and to me, that changes the system too much.

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 16:16

I would probably vote against it. I've always preferred HR in G20 to SLG in RIBC, just because its more fun to see that a guy hit a couple HR's for you. Seeing that a guy SLG'd .800 for you just isn't as interesting.

I'm not dead set against it, so consider it a 'light' vote against.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 16:17

Slizz, please call that espn number. We are at a standstill until you sign in.

We had this debate when we first started the league and HRs was the dominant choice. Niw the league has turned over a bit so it could be much different this time. I am not a big fan of SLG%. Doubles and triples do help you with runs scored a lot more--not to mention RBIs. HR hitters can hurt you in OBP unless you are so dominant you get walked all the time.

darkside
Achiever
ID: 3590317
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 19:29

I'm 100% in favor of switching to SLG. But, it would definitely need to be phased in somehow.

Peter N.
ID: 0233218
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 19:33

I'm 100% against going to SLG%.

Species
ID: 5191716
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 19:57

If put to a vote, I would vote NO to a change from HR to SLG.

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 21:21

I'm also opposed to using slugging percentage. For some reason, I've thought with our small starting lineups (vs ribc) that Hr's work a lot better than slugging. There's definitely different strategies you would use for each, and it makes it difficult to change in a keeper league.

slizz
ID: 5611142722
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 07:34

100% opposed.

PD thanks for the #...was a setting on my PC!

When do I need to provide my keepers by?

Toral
ID: 29223113
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 08:48

I would vote in favour starting in 2012 (allowing time to adjust for it) if there were a vote.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 16:26

I'd be willing to switch from HR to SLG, but would want at least a year advance notice.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 16:58

All 20 owners are now in. Time to research as I'd like to get all players added to teams (prospects too if we could. Got to be sure we can make changes later to team size if this happens.)

Need to figure out season start and compare to our normal draft time to figure out draft date and keeper date.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 17:12

Last year we had keepers due on sun mar 21 and draft started two days later. This year the season starts four days earlier so we will want to move our keepers and draft up as well. The problem is that we don't want to start our draft on a weekend. One great thing about having everything due on Sunday and drafting on Tuesday was getting the early rounds done by the weekend. IF we had keepers due on Fri and draft on Sun we are losing two days and am not sure we can afford that. But that gives us a general time of when we need to get going.

Rules: I am sure we will have some rule changes due to the site. For instance, a player in ESPN is eligible at a position after 20 days last season and 10 days this season. Those are double what CBS was. That could impact your keepers/draft.

As far as rule change proposals that are independent of the site, we can have them altogether and before the draft. The HR to SLG proposal can be a two parter and we have had that before. Yes/No/Now/Next Season.

We will also need to go through prospects to see who still qualifies. Would like to get players/prospects on their proper teams asap. Also may have to manually do any trades via the LM until the draft is done.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 17:28

bh, can you assist in allowing us to be able to add our own players? If not, an LM has to add each player one by one to every team + prospects.

allhair allstars
ID: 912190
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 08:05

Prefer to stick with HRs.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 08:11

Are we using draftime or this thread to draft?

Prefer drafting -- we seem to waste too much time when we use the thread...

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 08:11

Oops second line should be draftime -- darn iPad keeps correcting itself incorrectly!

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 10:04

I don't think there's an automated way to import rosters. They have to be done one at a time, which probably goes faster if you split among commishes.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 10:08

I'm still looking to make a last minute deal - Andre Ethier, Trevor Cahill, Johan Santana, James Shields, Jorge Posada, Javier Vazquez for picks or other players that help my keeper situation (and yours).

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 10:29

bh - We aren't looking for an import capability. Can't we simply check off that the draft is over (with empty rosters) and then let each manager populate his/her roster by picking up their own players?

I don't see where that option exists. Do we need to add some players to each team first in order to be able to close out the draft?

Great One
ID: 17214310
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 10:35

Maybe we could enter the keepers, and then call the draft "over" if thats possible. Then let us "draft" the free agents as we each make our picks and go to pick them up.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 10:38

Got it - I'm not sure. I'll look.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 11:40

63: exactly

It's a lot easier to figure out keepers and trade when your players are on your team. I simply don't have the time to add 500 players with prospects. Even splitting it up seems daunting. If everyone is in charge or their own, it should go fast as long as we get people to do it asap. I'm considering making everyone an LM and doing it that way. Telling them step by step how to do it. In fact, that's what I'm going to do. Just don't touch any other settings please!

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 12:49

Just change every setting you can see.
OK, got it.

j/k

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 13:11

I have some great closers I can move. Also have Wainwright I can move for the right deal. Hard to move him when he could be cy young in 2012. Have some offers but thus far--just think he's worth more than that. Definitely want him if I don't have a chance to win this season--but I like my core.

Species
ID: 23230415
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 16:30

I've entered my roster. It goes fast.....just use the back function after each player and you'll fly through it.

I have a variety of useful players that I wish I could keep. Several of these I will keep, some I can't:

Kelly Johnson: ESPN's projections at .361 OBP, 21 HR and even 12 SB make him a top-10 2b.

Juan Pierre: .340+ OBP with probably in excess of 50 steals.

Carlos Beltran: Looking healthy in the spring, and the move to RF should do wonders.

Brett Myers: ESPN has him at 13 wins, 3.57 ERA and a strong 1.27 whip with 174 k's. He deserves to be a keeper.

Ryan Dempster: Chicago's opening day starter is a workhorse and will approach 190 k's.

Practically anyone not named Felix Hernandez (sorry Tosh) can be discussed.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 16:53

So still no interest in Halladay for Felix? I've only been asking about that for three seasons ...

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 17:27

Finished in about 5 minutes, using the back button helps. Also, if you type the player's name fast in the box, it will automatically go right to him.

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 17:28

I have Chase Utley on the block, and am also willing to part with my 2nd and 3rd round draft picks. Not too interested in other team's maybes... looking more for 2012 picks, prospect draft picks and prospects.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 18:20

Nice - I'll do the same. Trevor Cahill, Javy Vazquez, Johan Santana, and James Shields are all available for modest picks.

And still looking to move Ethier, Kemp, or Choo, plus Konerko.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 20:19

OK, just added my guys. Only one player not in the database to add, my prospect Michael Ynoa (SP, OAK)

darkside
Achiever
ID: 3590317
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 20:26

I've got some good, young pitchers for a rebuilder(age). I'm looking for picks for the upcoming draft:

Ian Kennedy (26), Chris Sale (21) and Jordan Zimmerman (24) available for 3rd-ish round pick.

Travis Wood (24) and Barry Enright (24) available for 7-8th round pick.

Howie Kendrick is also available for about a 6th round pick.

Toral
ID: 29223113
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 21:36

I'm in the rare position of having not enuf keepers, and being willing to consider a 1for2 or 1for3 keeper trade for Gallardo, Greinke, or even Kershaw. Looking for youth, and you would have to pay a helluva lot, with a lotta youth involved.

Bh
ID: 426111516
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 23:42

Trade announcement

BH gets 2.01

PD gets Andre Ethier and 6.19

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 23:45

I've got Johnny Cueto(25) and Ian Stewart(24) available. Stewart is currently a keeper so he's going to cost more than Cueto.

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 00:29

Trade announcement

BH gets 2.01

PD gets Andre Ethier and 6.19

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 00:58

Confirming 78 but not 80.

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 07:55

Stupid iPhone back button. Looking for one more draft pick here - you know who I'm shopping.

Toral
ID: 29223113
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 09:14

A quick note to those who have expressed trade interest -- I probably won't get back to you till Monday. Maybe Sunday nite but probably Monday.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 12:14

78: Processed

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 18:11

I still have some keeper issues. I'm willing dangle Aroldis (105 MPH!) Chapman in the hopes of a keeper and/or pick upgrade.

If you've got guys on the border (and pretty much all of you guys do) I'd be happy to consider a strong offer.

Chapman's a guy with a lot of options and devastating (105 MPH!) fastball--might be worth it to stash him while they all play out. He's still prospect-eligible so he would not have to be declared a regular keeper.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 18:48

Anyone need closers? I have several strong keeper closers.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 17:46

Thanks for the Chapman queries. Still sorting them all out and hope to respond on them all later this evening.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 10:36

I've been studying last year's draft. It took us 10 days for the 14 rounds. If we can duplicate that, then we can start the draft on Sunday afternoon and be done by about Wed. afternoon with the season starting Thursday afternoon. That is extremely tight, but we have had drafts that have started toward the weekend before and it was awful.

Another thought would be to open it untimed before then, but that tends to still have people waiting on someone who is in no hurry to pick. To make things worse, I may not be available from Thurs-Sat except via blackberry.

There has been talk of using the OTC tool and that is fine, but we have to really push the Cumulative Clock to get done in time. I do like having the draft posted so we can look back on it for historical perspective--but it's whatever the league wants. We can probably simply cut and paste it for history. But we must get done in time. The next three emails have shown to work more efficiently than simply you are OTC!

Keepers would be due 2-3 days before the draft typically--though we could go as early as one day if it is through the week. If we go on Sunday--then Keepers would probably be due on Thursday or Friday.

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 10:39

Draftime is the way to go especially if we are on a strict time limit. Automatic emails and pick specific ques with a couple clicks really speed things up.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 11:34

Was looking at the new OTC/Draft-time and we can now do on deck picks--so that's better at least. I also like that the queues can be done and auto-drafted which could save a lot of time.

Can there be multiple commishs that can change things there?

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 14:00

And you don't have to do all the formulas for cumulative clock anymore since it keeps one for each drafter.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 23:05

RE: 91 No Kidding? SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 23:25

Fred did a GREAT JOB with the new draftime! You will absolutely love it.

Caution, however, it does go really fast if it is used properly!! Be prepared for that.

Can you give a specific date (like the number?) and location for posting the keepers? Who deletes all those extra players we put into ESPN lineups?

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 23:27

Prefer to open it up early rather than later...

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 02:00

Re: 91 - I'm pretty sure that the cumulative clock continues to accrue even when the draft is opened untimed, and for overnight pauses.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 09:41

95 - yes. I noticed that too, and KKB should change it.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 10:04

Draftime is blocked at my work. Should probably check your access as well...

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 13:20

As far as drafting goes, I gave an idea what I was thinking and no one gave any opinion. If we start the draft on Sunday March 20, keepers need to be enough before that so we can add keepers into draft time. This also allows people to study. I will likely be away with no access (except email/IM at times) from Thursday afternoon until Sunday.

Keepers would be posted here and ESPN will clean those out I think--but not sure. Also need to make sure we have enough keeps so prospects are kept on team. This means that you have to make sure you only keep 9 plus your prospects.

If we can send him a note so clock and c clock stop when draft clock is stopped--that would really help us. That might be an easy fix. Not sure.

If anyone is blocked, they need to make sure you have a DP with free form allowed. Wonder if commish has ability to edit clock?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 09:27

For audit purposes, here is the lookup spreadsheet for the opening round lottery: http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20/G20-Feb11-14x4_balls.xls

I assume Ref will be running the lottery later today. For each pick, four numbered "virtual ping pong balls" are drawn at random, and those four numbers are used to look up a team name in the spreadsheet.

100

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:32

The winner of this year's Lottery is...

TORAL!

101

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:33

Pick #2 goes to...

Allhair!

102

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:34

3rd ball comes out Toral...repick.

103

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:36

4th ball also comes out Toral...repick.

Toral has the luck on his side today!

104

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:37

5th ball and the #3 Pick goes to Tosh!

105

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:54

Lottery results confirmed.

106

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 12:41

Crazy. A 1-in-4 chance and once again I'm moving down...

107

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 12:47

Let's win next year, then.

108

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:13

Trade confirmed by Species:

Species receives from R9:
2011 2.04
2011 3.04
2011 9.04
2012 14th round

R9 receives from Species:
2011 1st round prospect pick
2011 2nd round prospect pick
2012 2nd round
2011 13.20
2011 14.09
2011 14.20

New chart coming.

109

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:14

106: You post this every season and every season I remind you that there is a 3 in 4 chance you don't win. Sure you have a better chance than any other individual but against the field you are a underdog. Still you a re guaranteed to pick no worse than 4th in the first round and 1st pick the rest of the rounds.

110

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:30

I understand, ref. But in this case I had a much better chance than that to get one of the top 5 picks--about 85% by my back-of-the-envelope calculations.

And I post every lottery because it happens in most every lottery.

111

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:46

Actually, PD, I think that there is about a 40% chance that you would be shut out of all of the top three picks in any year.

112

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:47

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	Toral	blue hen	Great One	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
2	allhair	blue hen	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
3	Tosh	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
4	PermDude	Species	Species	blue hen	Slizz	R9	R9
5	Peter N.	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
6	Slizz	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
7	mjd	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
8	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
9	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
12	judy	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
13	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
14	Slizz	Slizz	blue hen	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
16	bmd	bmd	Toral	bmd	bmd	Toral	bmd
17	Ref	Peter N.	Ref	Peter N.	mjd	Ref	Ref
18	Guru	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	darkside	Great One
19	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	PermDude	bmd
20	Species	Species	Species	Toral	youngroman	Species	Species

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude	PermDude
2	Peter N.	GoatLocker	Ref	Peter N.	Peter N.	GoatLocker	Ref
3	bmd	Toral	bmd	Species	Toral	Toral	Toral
4	R9	Species	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
5	mjd	Ref	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
6	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
7	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
8	judy	Slizz	judy	judy	judy	judy	darkside
9	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	R9
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Great One	Guru
11	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
12	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	Great One	darkside	darkside
13	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
14	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	judy	R9	R9
15	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
16	bmd	bmd	blue hen	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
17	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref
18	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	PermDude	Species	Great One
19	blue hen	Peter N.	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Slizz	R9
20	Species	Great One	Species	Species	Species	R9	R9

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

113

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:57

#111: Right--which is the same as saying 60% chance of getting one of the top 3. (I have it at about 63% for just 3?). 4 picks would be even higher.

114

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 14:02

Oh, I meant to add that I'm not really whining about this--I just find it a bit perplexing to go through, that.s all.

115

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 14:16

110: You have 100% chance to have a top 5 pick. ;)

I love the lottery as this shows that anyone who would even think of tanking should take note. There was strong consideration when implementing this lottery several years back of making it more than just the first round--but I think the way we have it works well.

116

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 20:32

I am going to try and work on the prospect eligibility tonight. Really need to get through the rules and look for changes. Also, we have one proposal which has enough support to be called for a vote. If there are others we need to add that in this vote. This needs to be done asap. I had went through the rules and made some edits from CBS to ESPN and the one rule I knew of which was from 5/10 game elig. to ESPN's 10/20 games. We may not find some rule diff until later but obviously we are limited to what ESPn will allow us to do.

Since there was no discussion, I went ahead and put in the Keeper deadline of Noon on Thursday and the draft the following Sunday. I had it at Noon, but with the different time zones and church, I backed it up to 2pm ET. Remember to change your clocks! This could still be changed if need be. Please speak up! I will be out of town w/o access but will have email and IM access at times. I'm hoping that Species, Guru or Tosh can set up drafttime for us and enter all keepers and prospects.

117

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 20:46

Are drafting at Draftime? If so, we need to sign in -- or did I??

118

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 20:54

#108, confirmed.

119

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 21:00

117: Judy I have not done anything with drafttime except take a look around the other day.

120

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 21:52

The following players were found to be over the prospect limit and will be removed from the prospect list immediately. They will remain on their manager's teams but must be kept or will be removed from the team. It is the responsibility of each manager to police their own and if one is missed and later to have found that he is not eligible, he will be removed from the prospect list and the team and placed on waivers.

BH: Stanton(1) 359 ABs
mjd: Bumgarner 121 IPs
Peter N: Chacin 148.1 IPs
YR: Alvarez (1) 347 ABs

Prospects who need to still be added to their team imemdiately: Hosmer (bh), miller (bh), Hicks (jaydog), lindbloom (slizz), Gordon (slizz), W. Myers (Toral), Lawrie (Toral)

Not in database and need to let us know when they are added: Choice (judy), M. Ynoa (PD), A. Wilson (Slizz), D. Tate (Tosh)

121

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 22:11

Darvish is also not in database.

I went through and tried to clean up the Constitution a little bit. Didn't change any rules, obviously. Reading them again, we might be able to allow owners to get their own prospects and perhaps drop them too, but they have to totally understand the ramifications of losing them as a prospect by picking up for their 3rd time or dropping them when they are no longer prospect-eligible. They would still need to be posted here and a commish would need to confirm that the transaction was noted and the number of callups he has and to make sure he is still eligible on the drops.

122

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 22:33

M. Ynoa (PD)

Will do. Just so it is one place, note that his name, when drafted, is Inoa and he could very well be in some databases under his old last name.

123

Toral
ID: 29223113
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 23:13

I have added Myers, who I couldn't find in the database when I added my first set of players. Lawrie was already on my team.

124

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 23:38

Is there a way to check messages that you have sent out through ESPN? It's kind of annoying trying to remember if you already sent out a message to an owner.

125

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 00:24

BMD: Just got a series of emails via ESPN from you--they are all undated so they went to the end of my mail queue.

WTF, ESPN?

I'll look them over in the AM. I think we can probably work something out.

126

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 01:44

Lol, I sent 2 of them on Tuesday and 1 2 hours ago :)

127

youngroman
Sustainer
ID: 02934823
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 13:13

looking at the players that are not making the cut for my team I thought that some of them could be keepers for others. here is a short selection based on ESPN ownership percentage:

Chone Figgins, 2B/soon 3B, SEA
Placido Polanco, 3B, PHI
Franklin Gutierrez, OF, SEA
A.J. Burnett, SP, NYY
Gavin Floyd, SP, CWS

Figgins is definitely the best player of those 5. he is still an excellent base stealer with an above average OBP.

the others might be attractive for someone too. I let you decide. all I am asking for is a pick upgrade.

128

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 15:22

Good closers are the toughest commodity to find in this game. I have several of them. Also, if I keep Wainwright, he will not be available to trade after that.

129

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 22:44

Keeper Thread is up.

130

allhair allstars
ID: 912190
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 23:08

Guys like Span and Wieters available...

131

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 10:30

Added Shelby and Hosmer. I also noticed Jonathan Sanchez hadn't been placed on my team, so I did that too.

132

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 13:23

Trade Announcement

Perm Dude gets:
Javier Vazquez, SP, FLA
Manny Ramirez, DH, TB
4.19

Blue Hen gets:
Aroldis Chapman, P, CIN (prospect)
7.01

133

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 13:32

Confirmed.

134

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 13:45

132: I dropped both of those players last season. Two non-keepers for a stud player who is on the prospect list who won't count toward the 9 Keeps. Really unbalanced IMM. Going to hold off approving this until I get feedback from some others.

135

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 13:56

I'd welcome feedback.

Vazquez, now that he's out of new york, is a 200K pitcher. Manny is on the downside of his career, but should have no problem with 20 dingers. He's a bit of a throw in.

My keepers are for sh!te--that's what has been driving these moves. Now I've got a couple of marginal keepers and moved up a pick a couple of rounds.

My keepers now:

M. Ramirez
Vazquez
Ethier
de la Rosa
Morneau
N. Morgan
J. Dyson/M Aviles
O. Dotel
A. Soriano
C. McGehee

Middling keepers (except Morneau).

136

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 13:58

For the record, both Manny and Vazquez have never not been kept in the entire history of this league.

137

beastiemiked
ID: 31152921
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 14:23

Both are bad keepers imo. Vazquez will be lucky to get 8 wins in Florida and manny won't play more than 100 games.

Not veto worthy since there's not collusion. I know pd entertained an offer for me which was 10x better for a rebuilding team. I'm not 100% sold on chapman so wasn't that mad about him not accepting. However, I wish pd would've countered bh. He could've gotten at least a 2nd rounder since bh wasnt going to keep or be able to trade Vazquez or manny.

138

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 14:30

We did have back and forth to wind up here. I don't think I'd have gone much higher for the same reason - I'm not 100% sold on Chapman, who has not been named closer and is no guarantee by any stretch. To me, it was the value of dropping 40 slots vs. getting that guy without using a keeper. Don't think I'd have taken a much bigger drop.

In addition, PD was in dire need of keepers - even after this trade, he's keeping Dyson.

139

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 15:30

For the record, Manny is 38 years old and had 352 ABs in 2009 and 265 ABs in 2010.
If he doesn't get off to a hot start, don't be surprised if he is not gone early.

Vazquez is a different story, but I wouldn't have picked him up.
2008 - 12W / 16L, 4.67 ERA, 1.32 WHIP
2010 - 10W / 10L, 5.32 ERA, 1.40 WHIP

I'm sorry, but I'm sure I can find better in the draft.

Just my thoughts which are in line with what bmd said.

140

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 16:19

It's just frustrating when I offered 2 way better keepers(Cueto and Lilly) and pretty much the same draft upgrade(my 5th for his 8th) and didn't even receive a counter. I would've paid a little more but it sounded like we were way too far apart.

bh, I call BS. Chapman would go in the 1st round of this years draft if he wasn't a prospect and was thrown back in the player pool. I know you know that and would've upped the offer plenty especially since you gave him 2 guys that you most likely would not have gotten even a small draft upgrade for.

Hopefully somebody will quote me in July when Manny already has 20 bombs, Vazquez 10 wins, and Chapman has gone down with Tommy John.

141

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 16:27

Heh. That would certainly be the best case.

142

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 16:32

I'll stop debating the trade. We've had unbalanced traded in this league before, including one where some dumbass gave away Carlos Gonzalez.

More important, should this trade be allowed. I don't think anyone will vote to disallow it, but that's why they play em.

143

Species
ID: 5191716
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 16:47

What I find interesting in this trade is the shortsidedness from PD's perspective. How on earth does this trade do anything but possibly give him a chance at 18th place? And even at that, the team would be unlikely to ride that wave in 2012 with those players.

By contrast, at Chapman's best possible outcome, PD gave up Randy Johnson.....or let's trim that down to a #2-type starter with 200+ Ks, a 3.50 ERA and a sub-1.25 whip. This possibility was given up in order to get two barely useful players, let alone keepers??

Mind you, I get it that pitchers are risky...Chapman is wild AND coupled with Dusty "death to Schmidt, Wood and Prior(to name ONLY a few)" Baker holding the reigns that his chances of reaching that potential are slim.......to me it's silly to give up a possible cornerstone SP for that package.

Not vetoable.....just, in my eyes, shortsided.

144

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 17:55

137: Collusion is not the only cause for a veto. In G24 once we not only vetoed a lopsided trade (Eli Manning for Travis Minor) but we removed the manager and replaced him with...bmd!

145

Toral
ID: 29223113
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 19:10

Not Travis Minor, Ref, you've said that before :)

It was basically Manning and Josh Reed for Ashley Lelie. Checked the old 2004 threads.

146

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 19:14

Maybe he was drafting Travis Minor over Eli anyhow. Yeah that's what it was.

147

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 19:22

Toral, is the Aroldis deal veto-able?

By the way, we didn't veto the Strasburg and David Ortiz for Tim Beckham trade, and this one is a lot closer in my opinion.

148

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 19:26

It is frustrating watching hen go back to the pd pool over and over again. :( He tried selling me on his crappy non-keepers for weeks, then found someone willing to part with a top 10 prospect for a couple guys that could've been drafted in round 4 or later?

PD, I'm not sure why you didn't shop Chapman around. Prospects on the prospect roster ready to contribute right away are like 10th keepers. Every manager in the league wants guys like that. I certainly would've topped hen's offer with younger talent, and even would've topped bmd's offer. Just don't get this deal at all from your side.

Is it vetoable? I sure wish it was. Past precedent says its probably not though.

149

Toral
ID: 29223113
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 19:27

ref, I've forgotten something myself. Does the Trade Policy only apply once the season starts? (From rules: "Trade Policy Trades are subject to a 1-day voting period, where at most 6 objections are allowed. Trades receiving more than 6 objections are sent to the commissioner for approval.")
Baseball and Football rules are different so I tend to forget what's what.

bluehen:
I would not myself vote to veto the trade; but I could understand someone doing so.

150

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 19:41

149: Trades during drafts and before waivers are turned on are up to the commishs to approve. Species and I are discussing this trade. Once waivers are turned on, trades need to go through ESPN trade site where the league will have at least 24 hrs to veto it.

151

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 22:16

===================================
** Important announcement **

Ref and I have jointly gotten together and have decided that we are removing Perm Dude from the league. The reason is a lack of performance. This league was formed not only for managers who pledge strong activity, but also strong performance, and PDs lack of results and lack of progress are simply evident. We have recruited G24 Football's nerfherders to take his team effective immediately.

As part of this consideration, we gave nerfherder's the ability to further confirm or request that today's trade of Aroldis Chapman be nullified. He has chosen to have that trade nullified, and that is the decision by Ref and I to enforce this decision.

===============================

To say that this is a decision that we took with great consideration and care is putting it mildly. This is just a fantasy baseball game, and I have no doubt that every person in this league enjoys PD as a person. If we didn't take his contributions to this site and the 10+ years we have all known him into account, this is a decision that could have happened previously.

But, at this point, we have decided to start fresh with that franchise, close the book, and with a very heavy heart move forward. Thanks PD for all of your contributions, and as ridiculous as this next line sounds, I hope there are no hard feelings.

Feel free to direct any questions to me. We will get nerfherders up and running as quickly as possible. We'll have him post his email right away.

152

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 22:32

Wow, not sure what to say. Will be sad to see PD go. He seems like a great dude and his banter will be missed in the league.

Not really sure about the nullification of the trade. It was made in good conscience and kinda sets a bad precedence.

153

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 22:40

As I told ref in an email, I have always been happy to follow the league's decisions in all things (a trade, rules changes, or anything). Since the league has made this decision for me to step off I will absolutely do so without muss or fuss.

I'm not exactly certain about how to unregister from the ESPN site but will check it out in a moment. I believe an administrator can remove my name from the Draftime site (at least, when I'm an admin on another draft that looks like an option in Admin tools).

Thanks for the emails and offers in the meantime.

154

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 22:49

Leaving the league on ESPN was very easy--for anyone else booted in the future there is a link on the front page of your team.

:)

155

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 22:54

Sorry to see you go PD, but I do understand the decision. Welcome to G20 nerf! Best of luck to you both in the future.

157

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 00:26

Pete - don't overreact my friend. Talk to me. Drop me a line.

158

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 10:00

Judy, can you please avoid posting other stuff in the keeper thread? It'd be nice to limit that thread to keeper posts only. You can use this thread for commentary.

159

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:49

(Put this in the wrong thread, oops!)

I have a trade to announce.

blue hen sends: Trevor Cahill and pick 4.4

Nerfherders sends: pick 4.1

160

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:50

Confirmed.

161

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:52

We're getting there. Still looking to move Vazquez, Shields, Johan, Posada, Gregg, or Lyon. Looking for picks in rounds 5-8 for those guys.

162

Toral
ID: 29223113
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 14:39

nerfherders, per 151 could you please post your e-mail in this thread.

163

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 16:00

Okay here's another trade:

Nerfherders sends: Justin Morneau, pick 12.01

Great One sends: Curtis Granderson, Ryan Raburn, Ike Davis, Daniel Bard, pick 3.18

164

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 16:02

Confirmed.

165

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 16:35

Great trade by both sides (although I'm guessing Raburn won't remain a keeper).

166

Species
ID: 5191716
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:13

Nice trade guys! Surprised GO gave up Bard....nice pickup by Nerf there for sure.

Both trades need to go through ESPN....get 'em on the site so we can approve 'em.

167

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:16

Nice Trade guys and by the way
Welcome Nerfherders

168

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:21

Yeah, sat on Bard for a year... its a shame. But if it jinxes him into being the Next Big Thing, then I'm cool with it as a Sox fan.

169

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:22

It appears to already be processed on ESPN.

170

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:26

Trade Alert

GoatLocker sends: 2011 - 6.15, 2012 - 3
refguru sends: Francisco Cordero, 2011 - 14.2, 2012 - 12

171

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:31

170: agreed

172

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:36

Should read 14.02

173

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:37

Nerf is on a roll.

I just accepted his offer of 4.04 to me for Colby Lewis and 14.17.

174

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:38

For anybody still looking for Keepers, Vernon Wells is available for a draft pick.

175

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:43

confirmed #173

176

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:49

7 teams still have to sign up at draftime. I can't do any setup work there (keepers, draft order, etc.) until all 20 teams are registered.

Please do this ASAP.

177

mjd
ID: 10230119
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:08

Please resend the Draftime info. I've looked for it, but don't think I got it. I have several drafts in progress or getting ready to start and I like to sign up as soon as I get the info just to keep things straight.

178

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:13

I never got the Draftime email. Guru, which address (I assume Yahoo) and what time did you send it?

I got the info from Ref and joined up.

179

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:16

I vote No on the rules change.

Chicks dig the long ball. :)

180

Species
ID: 5191716
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:25

YO NERF....check post #70 if you need some more players :)

I vote NO on the rules change

181

youngroman
Sustainer
ID: 02934823
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:50

I also vote NO on the rule change.

182

Toral
ID: 29223113
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:50

Nerf is off to a bad start. Rather than making his e-mail known and inviting offers, he has apparently taken those what came from people who already knew his e-mail (which includes me).
He could have had more in some of those trades. Raburn and Bard aren't keepers.

They weren't bad trades overall; they were good. Just indicates his approach to the game. A guy who starts accepting trades in a flurry of enthusiasm without canvassing all offers. Also marks him as a guy trades with people he knows; i.e., a mark, a potential bobo.

The commishes were out of position as well. No trades should have been allowed till Nerf's e-mail had been published, and sent, to all players
------------------------------------------------

VOTE: NO

183

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:53

Call me a bobo.

I vote NO on slugging.

184

Toral
ID: 29223113
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 19:09

176: O got the email and got in, but could we please have a simpler password next time? e.g. "guruG20" or something.

185

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 19:15

Ok, I'll vote no on slugging also.

186

Species
ID: 5191716
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 19:36

Toral -- disagree with you on Bard. Particularly in the context of Nerf's team, acquiring a young, studly potential closer for a perennial powerhouse is an astute move. It SEEMS as if the Red Sox plan on letting Papelbon go after 2011, and Bard has all the makings of a top-5 closer......and Nerf can afford to sit on him this year and acquire him for a fraction of the cost compared to if he's annoited the closer in 2012.

187

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 19:45

182: Everyone's email is on ESPN. You can click on send email and it goes. Problem is they can't reply but could go back though the email link. He also posted his email in 163 as his name is lit up after you posted it asking for it. His email is also in the mass email I sent earlier with the league info and email vote. Others emailed him. ESPN doesn't handle emailing well at all. Doesn'tt even give us an option to show our email--but it at least allows us to email via that send email link.

188

darkside
ID: 928138
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 20:13

Sorry to see PD go (and how about an award to him for his class in taking the news), but understand the decision. Welcome to the league and good work shaking things up, nerfherders.

I vote yes on SLG (but not until next year at the earliest).

189

darkside
ID: 928138
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 20:17

Just read the email the Ref sent, so I see that my 2012 note was not needed. Anyway, I vote YES.

190

Toral
ID: 29223113
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 20:33

I think everyone who has had any dealings with PD whatsover knows that he is a good fellow. A very good fellow.

191

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 21:08

Sorry you think I am a bobo, but folks offered some pretty good deals and I took them. There's a pretty tight window before keepers are due so I wanted to change up the team. Basically switched out my entire pitching staff, and while Morneau is a great hitter, he's got some injury risk that could linger, and he's older than each of the players I got back. At first I wasn't going to take the trade, but I figured quantity of talent was better than quality at this point.

192

Toral
ID: 29223113
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 21:13

A potential bobo, Nerf, not a bobo. You will only have one chance to make supralucrative trades like this chance you have now.

Oh wait...you don't have it anymore.

193

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 21:44

Pick	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	Toral	blue hen	Great One	blue hen	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
2	allhair	blue hen	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.	Peter N.
3	Tosh	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral	Toral
4	Nerfherders	Species	Species	Ref	Slizz	R9	R9
5	Peter N.	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
6	Slizz	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
7	mjd	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
8	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy	judy
9	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
11	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
12	judy	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
13	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
14	Slizz	Slizz	blue hen	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz
15	Peter N.	Peter N.	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	Ref	GoatLocker
16	bmd	bmd	Toral	bmd	bmd	Toral	bmd
17	Ref	Peter N.	Ref	Peter N.	mjd	Ref	Ref
18	Guru	Great One	Nerfherders	Great One	Great One	darkside	Great One
19	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Nerfherders	bmd
20	Species	Species	Species	Toral	youngroman	Species	Species

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Great One	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
2	Peter N.	GoatLocker	Ref	Peter N.	Peter N.	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
3	bmd	Toral	bmd	Species	Toral	Toral	Toral
4	R9	Species	R9	R9	R9	R9	R9
5	mjd	Ref	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
6	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair	allhair
7	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
8	judy	Slizz	judy	judy	judy	judy	darkside
9	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	R9
10	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Great One	Guru
11	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel	Yokel
12	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	Great One	darkside	darkside
13	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
14	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	Slizz	judy	R9	R9
15	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker	GoatLocker
16	bmd	bmd	blue hen	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
17	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Ref	Nerfherders
18	Great One	Great One	Great One	Great One	Nerfherders	Species	Great One
19	blue hen	Peter N.	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Slizz	R9
20	Species	Great One	Species	Species	Species	R9	R9

	bolded = traded once
	bolded and italicized = traded twice
	bolded, italicized and underlined = traded thrice

194

Peter N.
ID: 332231422
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 21:52

Hey fellas and lady, I've given it some thought and I have decided to stay. I have put many years of time and effort into all 3 leagues and just wouldn't feel right leaving. Sad to see PD go, but my main issue was with the nullification of the trade. At the end of the day, I think it sets a bad precedent but hopefully one that we won't have to revisit anytime soon. Best of luck to all!

195

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 22:21

I'll vote yes on SLG, but don't feel strongly about it.

[178] bh - email was sent out through the espn site.

Still 4 people need to register. I'll try to figure out which ones.

196

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 22:24

The four teams still missing at draftime are Peter N, SLizz, bmd, and GO

197

Peter N.
ID: 332231422
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 22:30

Just registered.

198

beastiemiked
ID: 82451521
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 22:45

I vote yes on SLG%.

Still have Johnny Cueto and Ian Stewart available.

199

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 23:11

[196] Just missing GO now

200

mjd
ID: 10230119
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 23:16

Yes on SLG fot 2012 or the future.

201

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 23:22

I really hate Espn's email system. I have 2 outstanding emails(to Toral and Nerf) that have yet to be answered. PD said he didn't get a few of mine for a few days and I'm guessing the same has happened to others.

202

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 23:38

Is there a way we can post a master list everyone's email here or on espn?

Maybe have a commish send an email out to everyone with a complete list just to prevent spamming.

203

Toral
ID: 29223113
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 23:54

bmd:

I have no e-mails from you. This is my G20 e-mail, as it has been for a few years. Apparently under ESPN we have a different, unchangeable e-mail.

Toral

204

Great One
ID: 132561522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 23:56

I'm signed up, must have missed the notices.

I guess I was a fool too, cause I was sure gonna keep Bard... I drafted and sat on him all last year for just that reason.

205

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:12

202: I did that tonight. I emailed the entire league with everyone's email address. We could add them to ESPN Front Page but I have been working on making that more concise as it is.

Rules change vote: Usually we do this via email as it is usually really quick and easy to count up. But with the votes via email and the votes here we only have 13 votes in. Not sure who hasn't voted yet.

206

Great One
ID: 132561522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:14

Yes for SLG

207

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:32

Vote NO on the change.

208

Toral
ID: 29223113
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 00:37

204: Great One: you are of course not a fool, but a knave.

209

allhair allstars
ID: 912190
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:08

I vote No to the proposed category change.

210

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 08:26

{205} Did not get the email

prefer SLG -- rewards 2B and 3B's. Better category than just including the mashers.

waiting to see keeper lists before possibly dealing...

211

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 10:25

I posted all the email addresses in the League Message Board on the site. Here is the link - please bookmark it for quick reference.

I also added a link to it from the top of the Constitution. Please check and verify your email address is correct.

212

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 11:02

210: Check your spam. 20 names might make it suspect.

Have 18 votes in. Slizz didn't vote. Not sure who the other one was. Would keep it open but we are at 7 yes and 11 no.

My Keepers: I still have 11 projected Keepers. I'm torn what to do with Wainwright. Offers have been all over the place. I am also considering moving another Closer--but again perceived value is all over the place.

213

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 11:43

Pretty sure you have 9 projected keepers.

214

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 12:02

Then guess you may be surprised with who I keep then. Others have conveyed to me that you seem to know more about their keepers than they do as well. Maybe you will blow us all away this season.

215

Species
ID: 5191716
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 12:44

Ref -- pretty sure that was a poor attempt at some very dry humor. bh was noting that you can only keep 9 players by rule...so projecting to keep 11 was impossible.

But we all got what you meant.

216

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 13:15

Now that I have direct access from the rotoguru server to draftime, I have resurrected my program that sends out each pick as either an email or as a text message.

Essentially, each time a pick is made, you would receive an email or text message in this format:
G20: 3.13 Utley, Chase, 2B, PHI by [manager]

If you have it sent to an email address, that should appear as the subject. If sent as a text message, that will be the message.

Note that if you have these sent as text messages, each pick will count as one out-of-network message. With 280 picks, don't use text messages unless you can handle the marginal cost of that many out-of-network messages.

If you want to be included, send me (davehall@rotoguru2.com) your message destination(s) - email address, cell phone #, or both. If it's a cell phone, you also need to tell me your cell phone carrier.

218

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 16:00

Anyone interested in 2B Brian Roberts?

219

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 16:13

Man, nobody wants Ian Stewart?

I'm looking to trade either Papelbon or Axford. Looking for draft pick upgrades. Will accept picks for 2012 if you don't want to mess up your picks for this year.

220

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 16:39

Axford for Pudge involves picks. I gave Judy 2 options, so she'll have to post which one she took.

221

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 18:11

Apparently Judy didn't get my message about the draft pick swap. I sent it in the offer through ESPN.

222

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 18:16

Cant do trades via espn right now--esp with the keeper deadline in there. When a trade is accepted it needs to have the draft picks in there agreed to as well. I am not sure ESPN has this feature. If not, then traded draft picks need to be confirmed before the deal goes through as we do in hoops. I vetoed the trade. Will put it through manually once you have the details. podted here. Do not offer on ESPN site until waivers are turned on.

223

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 18:18

Judy, if you want to make changes to your keepers you've posted, please delete the previous post and resubmit in full.

224

beastiemiked
ID: 31152921
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 18:21

Whoops, sorry for that. Will iron out my trades before Espn from now on.

225

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 21:48

{221} beastie -- I didn't read that far down -- just saw the lopsided offer in my favor :)

226

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 22:07

Trade announcement:

Judy gets
Victorino and McCann and Allhair 7.06

Allhair gets
Wright and Judy 8.08

227

allhair allstars
ID: 912190
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 22:24

Confirmed.

228

Bh
ID: 426111516
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:21

Wow, I thought you could have gotten more for Wright. Does this mean all of the players in the Pujols trade are off your roster?

229

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:34

Carlos Quentin will be kept for sure.

230

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:40

I vote no. By the way, doing last-minute homework here, and it looks like Big Papi will be available, if anyone wants a big, slow, slugger who's only eligible at dh.

231

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:54

Wow.

232

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:55

Ref --

when do we adjust our keeper lists? Do we need approval?

233

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:59

bh -- as I said last year -- get a life and stop criticizing everything everyone does in this league, especially me. Stop trying to get lopsided trades for yourself as well. Maybe I am still learning baseball but in AAA RIFC I had a triple win -- standings, points for and the tournament. So cool your jets and keep your comments to yourself.

234

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:08

judy - go ahead and adjust your list. We will approve it.

235

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:08

PS - judy, I responded to your email.

236

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:11

Species -- I am working on it.

237

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:43

Trade:

judy gets:

Ryan Dempster
Species' 6.20

Species gets:

judy's 6.08

238

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:47

confirmed. Going to bed. Will fix on ESPN tomorrow.

239

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:57

ESPN's done judy

240

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 01:10

she meant her keepers there I think.

241

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 08:39

yes I did and I am all set with keepers/prospects on ESPN. Choice is not yet listed -- he's projected for 2012/13.

242

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:22

Looks like keepers are selected for everyone but Slizz. He hasn't posted any, and hasn't selected any at ESPN.

Several teams failed to list their prospects as keepers at ESPN. I think I made those adjustments this morning.

243

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:28

Slizz hadn't even picked up his prospects yet. I just did that for him.

244

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:35

I emailed Slizz. I know he is upset that we switched from CBS to ESPN as he had access to CBS from work but not ESPN. Still he didn't vote even via email from his phone so not sure what is up. Slizz has always been active and dependable so hopefully everything is ok.

I didn't even see where we could adjust others keepers. I sent that email to make sure people included their prospects with their keepers on ESPN, but perhaps it was still not understood. We have a new site and there are some differences for sure.

245

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:41

Re: 233 - Judy, I am just expressing my opinion. And really, I feel justified, for three reasons:

- Your team was built into a champion by one of my closest friends, and in less than a year, the key pieces have been traded away for, frankly, lesser pieces.
- Another of my close friends was just kicked out this league for something very similar to what you are doing: making questionable trades.
- You give me a hard time about the trades I offer you, but the one trade we have ever made, you won in a landslide (and mostly by luck).

I'm trying to take the high ground as much as I can, but I really wanted to get that off my chest. I know I am probably alienating most or all of my potential trade partners, but that's the challenge. I'm going to draft well and scour the wire as well as I can, and take satisfaction in finishing ahead of as many other managers as I can.

[/stew]

246

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:11

I just entered slizz's keepers (provided via email) at ESPN. I have not compared the ESPN lists to those posted in the keeper thread, but on the surface, it looks like we are good to go.

247

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:16

245: I think you have already alienated most of your potential trade partners. You wouldn't believe how much I hear about your consistent and awful offers!!! :)

Twarpy and I used to talk all the time and I haven't even heard from him since last G24 draft. I hope he is ok. I got a hint of some stuff he was going through but thought it was temporary.

Species and I consider PD a good friend of ours as well and your characterization of why he was removed is not the whole story. But for the few of you who don't know PD, well this should tell you something...he has already reached out to Slizz to try and assist him through his access problems as needed. Tell me how many of you would do that?

Judy's trade. I totally get where she is coming from in her rant toward bh. BH is a friend of mine and we trade friendly barbs at times, but we talk via AIM and he really is a good guy. But it comes off wrong on here at times.

The reason the trade hit me funny was that AA emailed me earlier shopping those two as he had too many keepers. Then he lands Wright for those two. Now I am not saying those two aren't keeper-worthy and certainly think they can help her. I know AA wasn't keeping Wieters AND McCann for sure. Now who knows Wright could get hurt and this could be a huge deal. Both of Judy's players will help her. I know I sent some big offers for Wright last season and would have done the same this preseason (and did email her offering her extra keepers but didn't ask for anyone in return). I know I have made deals where I thought it really helped me and it didn't. I am a big Wright fan--esp. since I have had problems at 3B ever since giving away ARod.

AA has assembled a really nice roster. Lookout for him! Species roster is stacked too. But you know what? All the rosters look a lot closer after keepers.

248

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:31

Guru:

Slizz just emailed me his keepers:

2B - Uggla
SS - Rollins
OF - Holliday
OF - Gardner
SP - Jimenez
SP - Danks
SP - Buchholz
RP - Soria
RP - Nunez

Would you doublecheck these against ESPN's keepers? They are probably the same but it would be best to doublecheck.

When needed, I'll pass along Slizz posts, etc.

249

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:32

Just noticed you were cc'd on that email! Looks like you are good to go.

250

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:03

Ref,

For the record, my off the cuff mention of those guys to you was after my initial communications with Judy. I had planned on keeping both but mentioned them in passing since I'd already recently put them in play to Judy, and with the confusion (or what I perceived to be confusion) surrounding Judy's since nullified deal with bmd, I wasn't sure if things would pan out. They did.

I just want to avoid the perception that I was shopping my junk around and just happened to fall into a deal. That's certainly not how it happened.

251

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:19

It's a sad day when my favorite Seattle Mariner is not a keeper in Gurupie20 baseball.

Go Ichiro!

252

Species
ID: 5191716
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:44

The team that scares me is GO.....nice mix....solid pitching....and two ML-ready stud hitters ready to come up from the prospect list. Scary.

I am looking to trade up in round one....if interested, please drop me a line.

PS - Tosh, I'm telling Felix you don't like him as much as Ichiro....and yes, that's VERY surprising he wasn't kept. There were MANY interesting non-keepers out there.

253

Toral
ID: 29223113
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:22

Note that on ESPN Peralta is listed as a keeper; it should be Kubel instead (see keeper declarations). I went in this morning to see if I needed to change my k's on ESPN but couldn't see them or any way to change them.

254

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 14:06

Toral - I just made the keeper switch for you at ESPN.

255

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 10:52

Draft status report:

I input the draft pick order into draftime last night. Today, I'll get the keepers inserted, and then the draft can be activated. When that's all ready, I'll start a separate draft thread.

256

Toral
ID: 29223113
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 10:59

Is Sunday afternoon the official start of the draft?

257

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 12:56

I think the clock starts on Sunday afternoon, IIRC. I expect to have the draft activated (without clock) by Saturday morning, however (maybe even tonight), so that keepers can be reviewed (and corrected if needed), early picks can be made, queues can be set, etc. I assume that's acceptable to all.

258

Species
ID: 5191716
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 13:09

Guru -- thanks, that's perfect timing!

Toral and everyone: Officially the clock starts at 2:00pm ET on Sunday. However, by Saturday morning we should have all keepers input and reviewed, and YES we strongly encourage making untimed picks on Saturday. Technically no one would be required to do so, but I strongly encouage everyone to prepare yourselves and set up queues once the draft is a couple of picks away. It's not too difficult to pick for Round 1.

THANK YOU to all that have helped get things rolling...esp Guru for working on Draftime for us.

I am in Az for Spring Training...flying out Sunday morning. Outside of when I am at actual games, I should have plenty of access....but I could be slow on the draw from 12:00-5:00 Arizona time whilest trying to draft from my phone.

Good luck to all.

259

Toral
ID: 29223113
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 13:15

I'm having a bit of a hard time deciding who to pick #1. I hate to hold things up though. So, knowing that I am rebuilding and concentrating on younger players if you have any suggestions who I should pick let me know ;) If we can come to a consensus maybe I can decide on Saturday ;) Among let's just say players no older than 27.

260

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 13:35

I have pick #3. I will be at CPR & First Aid Training tomorrow (Saturday) until approx. 5pm Pacific.

If my turn comes up, I won't be able to pick until after that.

261

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 13:58

This is good news!

Just so everyone knows (the commish's already do), I will be on vacation starting Sunday and will have very limited access during the week, as I will be on a cruise. One of my leaguemates from my other keeper league will be drafting for me, per my instructions. He is Dale for the Hall on these boards, and his email is above.

I will try to be checking in once a day to see how things are going. I expect there to be no problems or delays.

262

Species
ID: 5191716
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:28

Nerf -- I trust that you homeboy is listed as a 2nd email addy on Draftime so he will get the notifications?? And he has your logins/passwords?

Toral - that 27 or younger strategy sounds like a winner. Why didn't I think of that?

263

Toral
ID: 29223113
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:32

You didn't think of it. You borrowed it from someone else. It was a made-in-Canada strategy.

264

Species
ID: 5191716
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:49

Canadian pride, beyotch! Yeah!

I love the Canadian anthem at Sharks game. O, Canaaaada! My home and na-tive laaaand!

265

Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:53

262- Yes on both counts.

266

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:46

Attn all: I am looking to move Matt Kemp. One of the pieces in return should be a pick in the first few.

267

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 17:56

Draft has been turned on.

Please move all discussion during the draft to the Draft Discussion thread

268

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 00:23

GO has called up Carlos Santana for the 2nd time.

269

Species
ID: 292481311
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 01:02

Players can be picked up now, right??

270

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 11:06

Waivers have been turned on and will run tonight at rollover. Time for some baseball!

271

Toral
ID: 29223113
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 11:32

A suggestion. We want to make prospect checking as easy as possible. How 'bout putting the prospects up at the top of the constitution so you just click "League" and see it? Or better, put an *alphabetical* list of the prospects up there.

Perhaps someone has an even better place to put them on the site, but that was the best that leaped out at me.

272

Great One
ID: 47252711
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 11:45

That is a great idea, thats how we do it in Poli on Yahoo at the top of the commish note. Alphabetical would be even better.

273

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 14:11

[271/272] Sweet ideas -- love the alpha list -- easy to search

274

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 21:41

Prospects
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10)

MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups), *not in db/salary
Allhair: 15.06 Desmond Jennings,OF,TB; 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 19.06 Jordan Lyles,P,HOU
bmd: 12.09 Brett Wallace,3B,TOR; 15.14 Michael Taylor,OF,OAK; 18.13 Simon Castro,SP,SDG
Blue Hen: 18.19 Eric Hosmer,1B,KC; 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,StL
Darkside: 18.15 Scott Sizemore,2B,DET; 19.07 Brandon Allen,1B,AZ; 20.01 J.P. Arencibia,C,TOR
GoatLocker 12.08 Yu Darvish,P,JAP*
Great One 15.05 Carlos Santana,C,Cle(2);15.17 Dominic Brown,OF,PHI;
Guru: 15.12 Timothy Alderson,P,PIT; 18.10 Christian Colon, SS, KC; 19.05 Lonnie Chisenhall,3B,CLE
Jaydog: 15.09 Jarrod Parker,P,ARI; 17.01 Michael Bowden,P,Bos; 18.18 Aaron Hicks,OF,MIN
Judy: 12.07 Yonder Alonso,1B,Cin; 15.18 Kyle Drabek,P,TOR; 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK*
mjd: 12.18 Tim Beckham,SS,TB; 18.07 Zack Cox, 3B, StL
Nerfherders: 15.03 Albertin Aroldis Chapman,P,CIN;16.01 Michael Ynoa,SP,OAK*; 18.03 Ben Revere,OF,MN
Peter N: 15.02 Freddie Freeman,1B,ATL; 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 17.02; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX
Ref: 15.01 Stephen Strasburg,P,WAS(2); 16.08 Sean Doolittle,1B,OAK ; 18.16 Tanner Scheppers,SP,TEX
R9: 9.05 Michael Moustakas,3B,KC; 18.02 Mike Trout,OF,LAA; 18.14 Jerry Sands,OF,LAD; 18.17 Mike Minor,SP,ATL(1); 19.02 Mike Montgomery,SP,KC
SlackYokel: 13.02 Jeremy Hellickson,P,TB(1); 18.01 Bryce Harper,OF,Was; 19.04 Drew Pomeranz,SP,CLE
Slizz 15.07 Josh Lindblom,SP,LAD; 16.03 Devaris "Dee" Gordon,SS,LAD; 18.12 Austin Wilson,OF,STL*
Species: 16.10 Eric O. Young,2B,COL(1); 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,BOS
Toral: 15.10 Dustin Ackley,OF,SEA; 18.05 William Myers,C,KC; 19.01 Brett Lawrie,2B,MIL
Tosh: 15.11 Donovan Tate,OF,SD*; 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal; 19.03 Jerry Mejia,SP,NYM
youngroman: 15.08 Jesus Montero,C,NYY; 18.09 Julio Teheran, SP, ATL

275

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 21:44

The top and a/b order is a nice idea. Our rules are already so long and if you are doing a control f search anyhow...Wish there was a separate area for the league rules.

276

beastiemiked
ID: 82172521
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 23:07

Prospects need to be on the very top and in alphabetical order.

I don't see why we can't just link the rules. Everybody knows them and if not they can just click 1 link and read them all. Nobody wants to read who was the league champ in 2003 every time they are on the front page.

277

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 09:46

The link is a great idea. That has been done. Disagree that everyone knows the rules. So much involved, but hopefully people will look them up before asking.

We have to keep the prospects as they are to manage. If someone wants to put them in a/b order we can put them up that way too.

278

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 09:51

Thats also a great idea to save space... lets make a spot where only the rules are and link to it... to me if I am searching for a rule, one more click is irrelevant. Maybe pick out a key couple rules that people commonly search that will fit in the post, like eligibility limits for the prospects.

But I think we all agree the prospects right there, alphabetized and visible will be big. I bet nobody adds Ackley - cause we'll all be staring at his name.

279

Toral
ID: 29223113
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 10:28

Sorry to have to ask about something the answer to which I am sure is probably obvious -- but I can't find the lesgue's transaction page on ESPN. Where is it?

280

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 10:58

278: As I said in 277 that has been done.
279: It's on the front page at the bottom.

281

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:21

Re ESPN:

It is really annoying having to give my password each time I make a player move and then get sent back to the team page where I have to make the move AGAIN! Any fix for that?

Also, how do we know who the starters (field and pitcher) are each day?

When are lineups due, locked, etc.

Can someone (bh) give us newbies to ESPN a little primer on how to navigate the site in season?

Thanks.

282

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:34

this is REALLY annoying... agreed.
It is really annoying having to give my password each time I make a player move and then get sent back to the team page where I have to make the move AGAIN! Any fix for that?

283

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:37

Judy, just click on My Team for your lineups, opponents, stats etc.

One thing I was hoping BH could get added is an R/L next to the opposing pitchers names so we know if they are righty or lefty when setting lineups. Not terrible to click and find out, but would be even smoother. It may just be that there isn't room there, so thats fine.

284

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:38

or maybe add it to the BVP tab (which is really good, but not if their isn't a history).

285

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:42

GO -- I need to know who is playing each day -- I see the matchups but... For example, I have Scottie Rolen and he won't be playing every day and I need to know when to sub for him...

286

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:43

The links are really nice -- anyone working on an alpha prospect list? i would have time later this week if no one else volunteers...

let me know.

287

beastiemiked
ID: 31152921
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:46

Yeah, having to re logon is extremely annoying. Especially when you move all your guys then have to do it again.

R/L should be added that's a HUGE part of fantasy managing. Bh, send a work request for this :)

288

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 11:59

re285 - I understand, like in Yahoo it puts the little X next to a players name if he's not in the starting lineup.

Yeah, I'm not sure how that works yet. Haven't done ESPN baseball. Hopefully they at least match that, cause thats a significant feature.

289

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 15:28

As I recall from playing in an ESPN league last year, about 30-60 minutes prior to game time start they put a "s" next to a player's name if he's in the starting lineup.

It also indicated if he's not starting by a red symbol that I don't recall. But it's petty obvious and don't forsee any big problems once you know what to look for.

290

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 21:31

I have the Phillies closer, Contreras, if anyone is interested in a trade.

291

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 22:40

It seems as though you cannot adjust your lineup via the iPhone. There is no move column/button. Anyone else notice this?

Any thoughts?

292

Great One
ID: 72572817
Tue, Mar 29, 2011, 23:59

no problems on the Droid

293

darkside
ID: 928138
Wed, Mar 30, 2011, 19:51

Ditto on 282. That's really annoying.

WooHoo baseball! Good luck to those of you fighting for 2nd place!

294

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Mar 31, 2011, 10:24

Not only Baseball, I get to watch my Padres.
Not something that happens often living in Dodger Country.

OBL all.

295

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 31, 2011, 12:57

291- you certainly can. If you can't figure it out, I recommend calling that Customer Care number, since they are well-trained in that.

Can't do anything about logging in.

Will try to get R/L in there.

296

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Apr 01, 2011, 00:24

{295} I can just walk over to the Apple store...10 minutes tops...

297

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Fri, Apr 01, 2011, 01:50

Works fine on my iphone.

298

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Apr 01, 2011, 10:14

Last season I was able to get some nice draft picks like Huff in the 8th, Colby Lewis in the 10th, Pelfrey in the 13th and even Hudson in the 2nd.

I'm hoping my value picks work out well this season too. Lowe in the 10th looks good. Contreras in the 13th and there looks like there may be several more nice ones--but time will tell.

299

Great One
ID: 134419
Fri, Apr 01, 2011, 10:44

The login thing is really annoying... just did it again after making a bunch of lineup adjustments and analysis had to remember what the heck I did.

I wish it would just make me log in at the beginning instead of showing me my team making me think that I am "really" logged in but I'm not.

300

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Apr 01, 2011, 11:04

The login thing in a new issue introduced this year. It's being looked at now - I assume it'll get fixed very soon. Likely to what you suggested, since that is what I suggested too.

Hey hey, first day and Species, Ref, and me at the top. Very nice.

301

Great One
ID: 134419
Fri, Apr 01, 2011, 16:48

Damn.. Cliff I assumed you kept Neil Walker and I was psyched you were reaping the benefits of that trade. Now I'm sad cause BH has him.

302

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Fri, Apr 01, 2011, 23:36

bh, why not an option to stay logged in? Even if it's before lineup changes it is still SUPER annoying.

303

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 00:08

(297) Are you working off an app or the website? The website works fine on the ipad...

304

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 00:27

Going into the draft, I needed SBs and HRs. I didn't expect to be getting both from Chone Figgins on opening night. Go Mariners!

305

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 00:34

Just sent the alpha list of prospects to Ref -- for a link...

306

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 00:36

Yo I just saw this on our G20 free agent page:

Your league uses a roster locktime setting of Daily - Lock at First Game of Day.

I thought we left CBS because we wanted to be able to adjust rosters up to 5 minutes before each game??

307

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 00:48

302- I know and agree. Working on it.

308

R9
ID: 2854239
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 01:40

304 - Chone's got a 30/30 season in him, I know it. :)

And how about that Jeff Francis? Not bad for the last pick in the draft.

309

Great One
ID: 72572817
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 10:01

Judy, that probably means that a player locks at his gametime -- the first part of it being if he's in a doubleheader perhaps?

I am pretty sure i was changing lineups yesterday after those 1 PM games.

310

Great One
ID: 72572817
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 11:06

This one might be tougher BH, but I use Yahoo's notepad on the lineup page all the time... any hope for something similar?

311

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 14:38

306: Roster lock, not lineup lock. If you add a player to your roster after the games have started, the transaction goes into effect for the following day. This was discussed before coming to ESPN.

312

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 16:28

(311)

Ah -- roster vs lineup lock

I get it!

313

Great One
ID: 72572817
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 17:31

Judy are you seeing the red exclamation point next to guys who are not in the starting lineup? Thats pretty good. Keep an eye out for that.

Although the blue "S" for starting kind of blends in and I don't always see it. But I can't think of a color that would be better. Maybe a brighter green. Like Green means they are a go - starting... and Red means get them out of there.

314

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 23:48

so far I've had to set my lineup early and then come home after the games have started to see what has happened. Have seen (barely) the tiny little blue "s" but not the red exclamation point...

Should be home in time to look for them on Sunday.

315

R9
ID: 2854239
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 01:14

Yeah, the dark blue S for starting is very hard to see, I think green makes more sense.

316

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 11:17

CBS has an eligibility page where we could see how many games players played at different positions. Can't find that on ESPN.

317

blue hen
ID: 266191021
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 19:01

Games by position used to be on ESPN playercards. Looks like the recent redesign took it out. I'll have a chat with them tomorrow and see what I can do.

Also seems like that could be added to the popup playercards from your roster page - I'll also ask about that.

318

R9
ID: 2854239
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 22:42

I'd like to call up Mike Minor. I'll drop Jeffress to make room.

319

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 00:35

Wow -- that red exclamation sure does stand out! Now I just need to be home to see it!

320

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 13:01

318: Minor has been called up for the 2nd time. The official count is under the team section of prospects, not the ones in a/b order. Prob need to edit those up some.

321

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 16:16

MLB playercards now have Games By Position - right column, under Quick Facts.

Working to get this added to the popup playercards that you get from your roster.

322

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 16:39

Should probably just get rid of all the extra info in the alphabetical list, Ref. Its just there for quick Control-F searches. Any other info can be seen/adjusted in the team-by-team listing below it.

323

Toral
ID: 29223113
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 20:36

When are we to be dunned for the prize pool? I have my money sitting and waiting in Paypal.

I assume that Nerf will not be required to join the prize pool if he doesn't want to. Particularly taking over a team like his...

The principle should be

ONCE IN, ALWAYS IN

Toral

324

Great One
ID: 72572817
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 21:30

Fired up Fantasycast tonight for the first time, looks great. Everyone should really explore all the different things going on in there.

I think BH might have got the login thing fixed, at least it might make you log in again -- but your submitted roster will stick.

325

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 23:39

Yeah, but having to log in again is still very annoying. Everything else on the net has a perma-log in using cookies. Why can't ESPN?

326

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Apr 05, 2011, 10:18

The Empire State Building needs more security than Mom & Pop's T-Shirt Shop, and ESPN needs more security than other websites. They're working on a fix that won't make you log in, but it might be a while. It's once a day and takes 5 seconds.

327

Great One
ID: 4733559
Tue, Apr 05, 2011, 10:35

Less than that if you have it saved in there.

328

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Apr 05, 2011, 13:31

322: What we had was already fine for quick control-F searches. The a/b order is more of an eye-test I think.

329

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Apr 05, 2011, 17:10

{328} I did it with copy/paste to make sure I had everyone -- Chapman is out of order as I did the alpha on his middle name (oops).

330

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Tue, Apr 05, 2011, 20:55

I'd like to call up Hellickson (for the second time, I believe) and drop hochevar. Thanks.

331

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Apr 06, 2011, 00:38

330: Hellickson called up for the 2nd time. I don't check this thread all the time, so you can also email the commishs. In fact, esp on call-ups, as long as you post first, you can prob grab the guy on your own. Just make sure it is taken care of. We get an alert if a prospect is added. As far as dropping a guy on your own, just make sure he is still prospect-eligible. If he's not and you drop him, you lose him. (Technically you lost him as a prospect while he was called up on your team).

Looking at my team and it is so much worse than I ever imagined. I actually thought my draft was decent--but guess not. Trying not to panic and blow up my team too soon (already imploded) but funny that so many are slumping from the get-go.

332

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Apr 06, 2011, 15:50

Hah, still real early Ref. My team looked like a disaster coming out of the draft (for this year anyway) and I'm still sitting in 5th.

Yeah, I was thinking when I called up Minor that I could've just grabbed him myself and stated it in this thread. Probably works for players you want to use right away.

333

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Apr 06, 2011, 22:13

I am going to pick up drabek and drop Blanton...first time for drabek

334

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 07, 2011, 12:04

Drabek called up for first time.

332: I think I inspired my team some with a decent day yesterday--but it still is smelly. The obp cat seems to be a lost cause already.

335

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Apr 07, 2011, 12:56

bh-- too bad we cannot look at players on rosters and sort by team name -- to see who has too many of a position so we could offer a trade of some sort. I believe that we could do that at cbs.

336

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 07, 2011, 13:32

That's a good idea - if you have a screenshot of that in action on CBS, can you email it to me?

337

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 07, 2011, 14:48

Judy, I assume you saw this which may help you in the interim.

338

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Apr 07, 2011, 21:43

337: yes that will help in the meantime... But I still have to search through the positions on the bench.

336: I am just remembering it for both football and baseball -- I don't have any leagues on CBS this season. I do remember that the FA section required a lot of scrolling so I would go to the end and work back...

339

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 18:01

Manny is busted for steroids again and retires rather than face the 100 game suspension. Just many being Manny.

340

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 23:03

I'm in the market for saves. Looking more for the non-keeper type/guy with an outlook of only having the job this year.

341

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Sat, Apr 09, 2011, 21:58

Calling up Brett Wallace.

342

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 12:00

341 Wallace has been called up for the 2nd time.

343

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 17:04

They say you can't win a championship in April, but you can go a long way toward losing it!

344

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 18:31

341 Wallace has been called up for the 2nd time.

Sorry Ref....that's only once. I changed it to (1) but neglected to acknowledge it in the thread.

345

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 13:55

I need HRs if anyone wants to upgrade somewhere else.

346

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 17:17

When my leadoff hitters start churning out the RBI's you guys will be in trouble.

347

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 21:41

You know what would be nice? If there is a rainout (PPD), the players would not be locked so you could still be able to use others in left coast games instead...

348

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 21:43

What does it mean when a player has an * next to his name?

349

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 13:54

Judy - The "*" means that the player is on the DL.

350

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 14:30

Thanks Tosh, but it seems a bit overkill by ESPN since the guy has a big bold DL15 in red next to his name as well...!

351

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 14:31

Look out if my pitching ever pans out!!!

352

darkside
ID: 928138
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 20:29

I'm calling up J.P. Arencibia for the first time.

353

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 09:45

352 Arencibia has been called up for the first time.

354

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 18:17

I'm sending Mike Minor back down.

355

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Apr 17, 2011, 00:11

I see the innings counter but where is the position by position counter?

356

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Apr 18, 2011, 18:49

Calling up Jerry Sands.
Didn't think I'd be doing that so soon this year.

357

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 18, 2011, 19:16

354 Minor is still prospect eligible and may be called up one more time.
356 Sands has been called up for the first time.

358

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Apr 18, 2011, 21:39

Just out of curiosity, what was the reason we had for limiting the amount of prospect callups? Seems like it would randomly affect some prospects more then others.

I ask partly because Minor's situation made me realize it, but also because in thinking it through I can't see why unlimited callups/demotions is a bad thing.

359

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 18, 2011, 22:17

You mean like calling up and sending down your starting pitcher for every start?

360

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 00:58

Oh. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. ;)

361

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Apr 20, 2011, 23:15

I've gone ahead and marked Jered Weaver as a keeper for 2012.

362

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 00:28

(nods) Queue Jered Weaver TJS news story.

:p

363

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:58

That one's actually "cue".

364

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 16:07

Well now, it's nice to be in 3rd place -- WOW!

A big however, -- I was in 2nd last week in RIFC and now sit in 13th.. . My hitters stopped hitting and my pitchers pitched wildly.

So, while it is cool, it is a long season and I doubt I will stay there but it sure looks nice -- I took a screen shot for proof!

365

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 11:11

I am kind of feeling the same way about 12th. 104 points despite punting two cats (though one was unintentional).

366

Species
ID: 573282214
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 15:28

darkside takes 1st. Nice.

I can't wait for my guys to start hitting.

I am in need of an OF who can steal some bases.

I still need a closer. Inquire within.

367

Great One
ID: 113241019
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 15:43

Forget production, I'd like to get Longoria, Rajai, Morneau and Smoak in my damn lineup.

368

darkside
ID: 928138
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 16:45

Thanks, Species. I've no doubt it'll be short lived, but it's nice to be a little competitive. As much fun as it is to rebuild, it was a long process--it's nice to have another focus.

I also need a closer. I hate closers. A lot.

369

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Apr 23, 2011, 01:12

Definitely gonna screen shot this one -- I'm ahead of bh!!!

370

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Apr 23, 2011, 15:44

10.80 era and 2.40 WHIP by Dempster and Lilly blew that 2nd place spot -- sheesh. They are opposing each other and neither was any good!

371

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Apr 24, 2011, 01:55

365: Well I'm punting 8 cats and none are intentional! Have several injuries but I'd still probably stink. My only good cats are saves and steals. Going to have to come strong though--I need a lot of help.

372

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 10:27

I don't think there's such a thing as "punting" any category besides saves and steals. In the other ones, I think it'd have to be called "not doing well."

373

Great One
ID: 134419
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 10:54

I've punted AVG in a standard roto league before... took guys like M.Reynolds and Mike Cameron types. All SB/HR combo's.

Slizz also did a non-HR hitting team in our H2H league 2 years ago. No HR's... just guys who were solid in Runs/SBs/AVG and then great pitching early. He would lose HR's every week but would win everything else and have some good 8-3 type wins each week.

374

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 11:01

I guess I can see that, especially in a H2H league.

Technically, I guess I punt starting pitching (and WHIP) every year.

375

Great One
ID: 134419
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 11:18

K's would be interesting to consider if you had the right guys... there are plenty of good pitchers out there who have bad K rates so we don't pick them. But a few years ago if you had say Chien Ming Wang and Buerhle and Garland or guys of their type... you'd have a pretty good W/ERA/WHIP to work with and would pay much less to get them. So you could focus on hitters early on and then get non-K starters mid-late draft.

376

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 11:40

I'm punting saves because it is kind of silly to rebuild and chase saves. Though at this moment I'd be contending if I did have some closers.

I wasn't meaning to punt steals, figuring I'd have a decent amount between Roberts, Damon, and Granderson. But so far they haven't been running.

377

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 12:25

You know how CBS had the lines at the bottom indicating games played per position and IP? Where is that for ESPN other than the last two columns in standings/season stats?

While it is not critical yet, I would be interested in knowing if my IP so far is too many, too little or just right. The current IP go from a high of 219 to a low of 133 and that is a huge range.

I also do not see a position by position player count. Did we change that to total games played?

Some help would be appreciated... Thanks.

378

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 12:28

Judy - On your team page, there is a tab that says "Limits".

379

Great One
ID: 134419
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 12:53

on ESPN I go to the "more" tab right next to Trophies + where it says I am 20th Place -- and then its "Max & Pace". I've discussed with BH before, I think we all agree it would be much easier if it were on the page where you set your lineup. He agrees too I think. But they don't seem to want to put it there for some reason.

380

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 14:21

375: Good stuff. Punting K's is interesting.

376: True. But what if, in your chase, you come across a guy who becomes a solid closer and then you trade him for some real value? I probably shouldn't push you in that direction; it only hurts my own chase.

381

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 16:08

found it -- thanks Tosh

382

Toral
ID: 29223113
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 16:19

I'm punting everything and building for future years. So if you have something you want now and are willing to trade something in the future, give me a ring.

383

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 16:34

I'm punting saves only because I don't have closers, but if I come across one or two I won't shy away from taking them.

Like on Saturday I was trying to figure out who the Texas closer was going to be, and I of course totally misjudged it.

384

Great One
ID: 134419
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 16:40

I guess its pretty embarrassing for me to be dead last behind all these supposedly rebuilding teams when I am supposed to be a contender.
I am much more of a pretender it seems.

I am looking for a starting pitcher.

385

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 17:19

GO, I am hanging out with you down here. I didn't think I had the horses to win it, but certainly didn't expect this. I have been really bad.

386

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 19:24

Well sure. Now that I made it cool, you all want to hang around the bottom of the standings...

387

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 00:54

So Yankees are losing 1-0 to Chicago, and I have AJ Burnett throwing well and wins are always valuable. But at the same time I desperately need Sergio Santos to ring up a couple of saves in order to nail down the closer's job in Ozzie Guillen's chaotic bullpen. Santos gives up a couple of hits but nails it down. Boo yeah. Go Sergio....the converted SS prospect.

PS - Ian Kennedy - you are maddening. Thank goodness I started you at home vs. the mighty Phillies. Better to be lucky than good.

388

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 13:29

Mighty phillies is currently an oxymoron. They are batiing about .200 for this road trip but are 4-1 somehow. Lotta pressure on the SP and the "new" bullpen grouping. The batters neeed to become hitters sooner rather than later as we have eaten up the bottom feeder teams and the good teams will soon begin to be our opponents.

389

Peter N.
ID: 42302621
Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 22:01

Its been weird contemplating starting two catchers, Martin and Napoli, on a given day in a 20-team league. Interesting year so far to say the least.

390

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 00:10

Bh, Why does the iPhone app default to showing season stats for my players. 99% of the time I want to see today's stats. Is there a way I can change the default?

391

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 00:45

Pete - I've been starting two catchers (Posey & Montero) every day all season. I'm hoping to max out my games played at that position.

392

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 16:16

I sure wish that ppd game players were not locked so I could replace them. A ppd game should allow you to sub in someone else. Usually they ppd it after the normal start time so you cannot anticipate.

bh -- any thoughts by the brass about that set up?

393

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 16:32

390 BMD - to see today's action, click on the top part of the team box, rather than "myTeam" - that will take you into something called "myFantasyCast" that will show today's action. Also working on a version that will save whatever your myTeam page looked at last.

392 Judy - there is stiff opposition to that, both at work and here on RotoGuru.

394

darkside
ID: 928138
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 19:08

What am I missing about Vicente Padilla? How did mjd pick him up this afternoon after blue hen dropped him this morning? He should have been on waivers, no?

395

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 23:36

tied for first!!!

396

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 02:02

394-That is odd. I was unaware that he'd just been dropped when I picked him up.

Good job, Judy.

397

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 02:19

Thx bh, guess I probably should've clicked around some more.

398

Great One
ID: 134419
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 08:46

Drives me nuts as well that PPD guys can't be taken out after game time. But they all do it for some reason.

399

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 10:25

394/396: I think I dropped him before he had ever locked. It doesn't put guys like that on waivers to deter preventative pickups - like if I picked up a player so Species couldn't.

400

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 10:58

[399] BH - you did have Padilla locked in your lineup on 4/26. So that isn't the answer. Seems like he should have been on waivers.

401

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 11:48

I just followed up on this. The rule is actually "24 hours," which I didn't hit with Padilla. There are some grumblings that the roster lock should override that - waive the 24 hour rule if he was locked on my roster. But that lets me pick up a guy at 7:04 and drop him at 7:06 and put him on waivers.

What do you guys think?

402

Great One
ID: 134419
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 15:24

I think the roster lock should override, if a guy is locked in your lineup for that days stats, then he has to go to waivers.

403

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 16:02

I tend to agree - a roster lock should force waivers.

But then, what if a player was picked up, could have been locked but was left on the bench, and then dropped? Is that any different? Perhaps.

404

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 16:04

402: This

I have seen that happen 3 or 4 times this season when guys pick up a guy to use him for that day's game and drop him after the lock. Then he is picked up immediately for the following day. I love the idea if someone picks a player up and drops him BEFORE that is a roster lock that he is free to be picked up immediately. I suppose I could even live with that happening within 24 hrs and after the roster lock if the player was on the bench. But to have someone be active for a game and then immediately be on waivers is not within the spirit of our wavier rules.

405

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 16:15

Right - I'm on board with the three of you and there's some support for that in the fantasy group. I think that may get changed eventually (although it's difficult to make a case for a mid-year switch).

406

darkside
ID: 928138
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 19:47

I agree completely about this...I really hope it's changed.

407

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 23:21

I also agree, but knowing Padilla is well past prospect status, I had no reason to look at the league page before picking him up.

I wouldn't even mind if the move was reversed by a commish, but would hate losing the stats that Betemit would have gotten me tonight. With only 3 of my hitters playing, he definitely would have been in my line up today.

408

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 23:49

OMG
What's with Dempster this season? Tonight was 0.1 IP and and ERA of 189 (yup you read that right...) and a WHIP of 24.
I had him as the horse of my pitching staff -- I guess not...

409

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Apr 29, 2011, 09:28

407: Not reversing anything. You did nothing wrong. We are stuck by what the host decides to do.

410

Great One
ID: 113241019
Fri, Apr 29, 2011, 19:19

Can we reverse me getting out of last place after an entire month?

411

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Apr 29, 2011, 20:22

Hey I got out of 18th place today when the 17th place team dropped 10.5 points. Backing my way into 17th is still 17th!!! Pretty stoked! ;)

Still offering saves from STUD KEEPER closers but need some slugger(s).

412

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Apr 29, 2011, 21:46

I'm not going to lie, I wasn't expecting to ever pass anyone in HR's this year. :p

Especially with my 3 hitter keepers on the DL.

413

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Apr 30, 2011, 00:33

It looks like I need some offense. I might be able to trade possible keeper SP's Ricky Romero or Ian Kennedy for the right hitter --- most specifically an outfielder --- or a package that includes a closer.

414

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, May 01, 2011, 11:41

I have been getting quite a bit of attention for my closers. Problem is that no one ever wants to pay for saves. 3 of the 4 are keepers. I am not giving them away for a utility player or someone who doesn't play every day. I am not winning the league this season. I need a player who can hit and be kept. Am looking for someone who is currently doing well not someone who has potential to do well in the future.

415

Great One
ID: 113241019
Sun, May 01, 2011, 12:19

You definitely need to reshuffle that, having half your keepers help you win one category is not a recipe for success.

It is quite the pickle with closers. I know I don't pay for them usually cause I always seem to find them for free and I don't like paying a ton for 40-50 IP. Also hate how volatile and inconsistent they are. But in a league this deep, its harder to just find a random closer like in other leagues so that definitely increases their value. It makes them tricky to price.

416

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, May 02, 2011, 10:23

Looking for a 3B yet again.

417

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, May 02, 2011, 10:35

Still looking to deal Konerko - I have an able replacement wasting away on the bench.

Also looking to deal Brandon Belt or Shelby Miller (prospect) to you guys who are looking to retool.

418

darkside
ID: 472162421
Mon, May 02, 2011, 18:50

RE: 414...I don't know ref. I can't help but wonder if it's you who overvalues closers?

I offered you Mark Reynolds (a 3B you need) for Andrew Bailey and your response with the decline was that you needed an impact bat you could start every day, which is reasonable. Reynolds is 27 and 2 years off a monster 98/102/44/24 season with a respectable line of 79/85/32/7 last year. The obvious knocks are that he's started off absolutely terribly this year and didn't break the mendoza line last year--both reasonable concerns. But for Bailey, who's been on the DL since last year, I think it's a very reasonable offer. I'm sure others will be happy to vocalize disagreement if that's the case, but I was surprised at how quickly you rejected and didn't counter (especially when I also suggested Beltran, Gordon, and Chipper were on the table) and now suggest you haven't been getting good offers...

419

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, May 02, 2011, 21:59

The market for closers changes every year. Its definitely a supply-and-demand commodity.

If there is only 1 or 2 closers on the market and there are 4 or 5 contenders all needing a closer, the price will be very high.
If there are lots of closers available in trade and one manager is running away at the top, you won't get much.

I have Valverde on the table and its looking like a good year to be a closer seller.

420

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, May 02, 2011, 22:21

418: I didn't get any comments with your offer at all. Not sure what happened but didn't see anything about anyone else on the table. I looked at your offer for awhile--just didn't hit me. Perhaps I am overvaluing closers but I know the save is the toughest thing to come by in this league and you are screwed without one. I am getting a lot of interest in my closers and the offers are starting to improve. I mean I got an offer for someone's 10 rounder for Contreras at the beginning of the season and I was told it was a great offer because I got him in the 13th. Lots more where that came from.

I am going nowhere this year. I can afford to wait...Can you?

421

darkside
ID: 472162421
Mon, May 02, 2011, 22:34

I probably shouldn't wait, but I'm going to. Closers are the worst. I hate them...so very much. I would love to be in a league without them. What would the fifth category be if not saves?

422

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 02, 2011, 23:21

IMO where Ref I think is overvaluing things is his focus on a keeper-level hitter.....and someone who is hitting NOW, not someone with potential. I'd be curious if he can name the last time someone traded a closer for a keeper hitter.

I traded Jason Heyward the summer before he got called up.....of course that was for Mariano Rivera, and I was contending that year or else I am unlikely to give up a stud like Heyward.

I traded Dominic Brown for Billy Wagner. Same deal. I was contending, and Brown was basically a year away, minimum.

In both of those cases those were prospects - not keepers now/established hitters. Plus, both of those closers were undisputed studs for contending teams and no competition. Marmol is undoubtedly amongst the top 3-5 closers, particularly given his strikeouts and ratios.

I traded Huston Street and Stephen Drew for Matt Cain. Again, not a keeper hitter, and I gave up TWO keepers for one.

Like R9 said -- it's always fluid based upon who is contending and who isn't. But I'm with darkside.....closers are always so fickle. Who would've thought that Franklin was on such shaky ground?

But closers WILL get traded. Sometimes it doesn't matter what you WANT to get.....perhaps you have to take the best of what you are offered.

423

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, May 03, 2011, 00:10

uh oh -- the slide beginneth... from 2nd to 5th -- in RIBC I went from 2nd to 15th in 2+ weeks --- batters not hitting and pitchers not pitching.
I sure do hope that does not happen here...

424

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Tue, May 03, 2011, 00:23

Franklin is god awful and has always been god awful. He ran really above expectation for the 2 years he locked down on saves. Just about every Cards fan thinks he should be cut. Sorry Cliff.

425

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Tue, May 03, 2011, 00:35

Guess I'm going to punt RBI's. My 3b position has been just god awful even though I kept 2 3b's. Side note, how the hell is Ian Stewart in AAA while Jose Lopez is in the majors batting .150?

426

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, May 03, 2011, 01:09

Am fortunate that my closers help in more areas than just saves. even a marginal or temp closer go at the top of our draft. Closers are fickle that's why when you have a top one you can lock them away and forget about it. I can find hitters on the wire easier than you can find saves. ;)

427

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, May 03, 2011, 01:52

The funny thing is, I feel top closers are undervalued and weak closers are overvalued.

A closer likely to keep his job for a long while (2+ years) who also has excellent stuff has tremendous keeper value. Some say closers are fickle, but over the last 5 years were Wagner, Rivera, Papelbon, Soria, K-Rod, Bell, etc. fickle? Outside of (unpredictable) injuries, these guys were rocks for whoever had them. Having a near sure-bet at a very unstable position in a 20-team league has to have top value.

On the other hand, I think people over-value the guy with mediocre stuff and decent job security. Eventually the mediocre stuff will get them in trouble, and every team has someone in the pen who can take over. So is Franklin surprising? Not to me. He got by with crappy stuff for a crazy long time, but it had to end. Do I see that happening to Mo or Bell? No, not at all. THAT would be surprising.

The medciore guys are worth almost nothing past the immediate short-term, and thus trade value should be much lower (and really depends on the G20 closer market). But any closer who becomes a rock of a keeper closer has to be worth alot. Species rightfully gave up a very top prospect for Rivera, because Mo has been a saves rock for what, going on 3 years now?

I guess I feel that a market that should be heavily polarized between the high-end and the mid/low-end guys is often viewed as way too similar.

428

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, May 03, 2011, 10:01

Is it even mathematically possible for me to go from last to contention this season?

429

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Tue, May 03, 2011, 12:33

I'm glad I didn't make an offer now. Mine wasn't anything as good as Reynolds (a buy low if I ever saw one) for Bailey (a DL regular).

Right now I am 8th while punting saves. I feel that is about as high as I can get without saves or steals. But I am not willing to sell the farm for either. I don't have a single player with enough value to get a closer that I'd want to keep for the next three years.

Re 421: There are leagues without saves. They are called points leagues. ;)

430

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, May 03, 2011, 17:33

Yahoo always seems to have starting lineup info long before ESPN.

431

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, May 03, 2011, 18:29

GO, thanks for the feedback. I also noticed this and am figuring out the best plan of action. It's not the fantasy group in this case, it's the .com group.

432

Great One
ID: 46457122
Tue, May 03, 2011, 18:51

Its not a ridiculous amount, but I'd estimate I see the little ^/x by the names in Yahoo about 10-15 minutes before the S/Red! in ESPN.

433

darkside
ID: 472162421
Tue, May 03, 2011, 19:49

RE: 429...never played a points league. I'll have to look into it.

435

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, May 04, 2011, 01:19

Morales is a potential buy low candidate.

436

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, May 04, 2011, 08:59

Figures Dempster would have a good game when I bench him... Still sliding -- down to 6th -- oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

437

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, May 04, 2011, 12:55

LOL.....I picked up a prospect. Failed to check. Dummy!

Our prospect tracking system works :)

438

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, May 04, 2011, 14:29

427: Preach on brother
429: You won't win by punting a cat. If Bailey wasn't worth it, I would not have kept him. Had offers even though he was starting the season on the DL. Still has a lot of interest in him and rightfully so. I'd like to keep him long term. His peripherals are outstanding. He will be back shortly. I traded yet another closer before the season started (CoCo Cordero). He may lead the league in saves but can hurt in other areas.

439

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, May 04, 2011, 15:36

Just looked. Cordero's peripherals have been great thus far.

440

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Wed, May 04, 2011, 19:25

I play in a 30-team league that is H2H points. Very shallow - you're basically trying to fill the out the starting lineup with people that merely start or get AB's every day.

But the nice thing about is you don't have to chase stats. A top closer has similar value to a top starter.

441

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, May 04, 2011, 21:59

Just out of curiosity, what figure is considered a great, good, or fair OBP?

442

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, May 06, 2011, 16:23

I feel left out of the "I picked up Sizemore" club.

443

darkside
ID: 472162421
Fri, May 06, 2011, 20:06

If I didn't already have two 2B I would have probably called him up, so I guess if someone wants a 2B....

RE 441: My general rule of thumb for OBP is probably .350ish is fair, .380ish is good, .410ish is great.

444

R9
ID: 2854239
Sat, May 07, 2011, 02:05

441: Depends on if you mean for a player, or for a G20 team in the standings.

For player I agree with darkside's numbers, except maybe I'd lower them to .390 for great and .370 for good. Not too many guys above .400 anyway, so .410 is pretty heady company.

For G20 team standings, anything over .360 is pretty great. Usually only 2 or 3 teams top that each year. Some years there were a couple of us topping .370, but its usually overkill. Its a competitive category though, usually .350 can vary from ~5th to ~12th-ish.

445

R9
ID: 2854239
Sat, May 07, 2011, 02:05

And Scott Sizemore has sure worked his way around G20... ;)

446

Toral
ID: 1543479
Sat, May 07, 2011, 10:34

There's two situations in which a prospect will be picked up accidentally.

A) when a manager just forgets to check.

This problem will dwindle with time and habit.

B) when a manager says to himself "This guy couldn't be on a prospect list, so I don't need to check."

This may occur because the manager thinks that

-the player has played too much to still be on a prospect list;
--the player isn't good enough to be on a prospect list;
--(rarely) the player is too old to be on a prospect list (sometimes happens to career minor leguers)

447

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Sun, May 08, 2011, 04:12

What's with no one using the trading block this year?

448

R9
ID: 2854239
Sun, May 08, 2011, 11:30

Didn't even know about it. Set mine up. Would be nice to be able to set it to receive an email if someone changes theirs.

449

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:37

On the ESPN "Limits" tab, the pace numbers all seem to make sense for hitters. But I can't make any sense of the pitching pace numbers.

For example, today this appears for my pitcher limit info:

Pace: 1344.0 (-168)
Limit used: 288.0 of 1400.0 innings pitched used (20.6%)
Remaining: 1112.0 innings pitched

If I'm on pace to accumulate 1344 IP, then shouldn't that be (-56) rather than (-168)?

450

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Mon, May 09, 2011, 16:54

I noticed that too. For a moment I thought perhaps the league had been set up with a 1500 IP limit. Maybe that is the default for ESPN leagues and it doesn't know how to distinguish?

451

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, May 10, 2011, 07:22

I don't know if this was writer's hyperbole or what but today's inquirer here in Philly reported that the marlin's Vasquez tossed 75 pitches and "the phillies swung and missed at none".

452

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Tue, May 10, 2011, 12:28

Hmm yeah. Either way, I dropped Vazquez today. Thought he was going to bounce back in the NL but it looks like he's regressed even more. It's impossible to fathom considering how dominating he was just 20 months ago.

Unfortunately I am stuck with him in my 30-teamer. I don't have enough pitching to replace him.

453

slizz
ID: 381020719
Wed, May 11, 2011, 14:08

yeah...i saw that and was like hmmm should i put in a waiver claim on him?

but he's been slated to hit the wall the past 3 years and i think this might be the year he finally hit it.

His fastball definitely lost some zip on it...

454

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, May 11, 2011, 15:02

Hey -- I was able to swap out a player in a PPD game today for a guy who should play tonight!! Maybe because the PPD came really early or is this a change for ESPN??

455

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, May 11, 2011, 15:35

It's because the game time hadn't passed. There is strong opposition to moving players after that time. It's not going to happen.

456

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, May 11, 2011, 18:50

454/455: TBH that's the way it should be. What happens if they start playing and then it is ppd after 2 innings? Just too many things can get messed up once the game time hits.

457

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, May 11, 2011, 19:13

More bad news Judy.

Oak-Tex game cancelled after <5 innings. Goes as a rainout--no stats count.

458

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, May 11, 2011, 19:59

Yeah I lost 1 R, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 1.000 OBP

Stinks!!!

459

Great One
ID: 46457122
Wed, May 11, 2011, 20:54

I just think its odd for a game like NYM/COL that was called in advance that they have to lock it in once it starts.

But i guess it would leave a grey area for different types of rainouts.

460

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, May 11, 2011, 22:11

Nah it's an easy call. Once the first pitch is tossed, the game is "on" and locked. Until that happens, players should not be locked. It shoul be posted as a delay and no one should be locked.

461

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Thu, May 12, 2011, 12:01

The makeup game today is probably going to be postponed as well. It's not stopped raining here since yesterday.

462

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, May 12, 2011, 15:59

Trade
GO acquires Kotchman, prospect rights to Shelby Miller, SP, STL
BH acquires JJ Putz

463

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, May 12, 2011, 16:08

Confirmado.

464

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, May 13, 2011, 08:42

Trade
GO acquires Matt Moore, SP, TB and prospect Casey Kelly, SP, SDG
Species acquires Rajai Davis, OF, TOR

465

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, May 13, 2011, 10:26

Wow, they come in bunches. And looks like Great One just got two of the better pitching prospects out there.

466

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, May 13, 2011, 11:48

Looking to deal Matt Kemp or Jose Bautista. Looking for a keeper quality third baseman, a closer, and a starting pitching in return.

467

Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, May 13, 2011, 12:59

464: confirmed

468

Peter N.
ID: 314211321
Fri, May 13, 2011, 22:21

Brandon League is almost single-handedly destroying my ERA and WHIP. Damn c-losers

469

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, May 13, 2011, 23:15

466

"and"?

470

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 13, 2011, 23:35

Oh me of little faith sat Ogando tonight against Jered Weaver. Dummy.

471

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, May 15, 2011, 15:49

462 and 464 prospects have been moved.

472

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, May 15, 2011, 19:23

It must suck to be blue hen.....you get a 3-HR day from Bautista, and it must be like "YAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNN.......I'm already first in (nearly) every offensive category"

473

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, May 16, 2011, 10:53

469. Yes, "and". If you have an offer that doesn't include "and" that makes sense, let me know.

474

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, May 16, 2011, 16:15

Damn, another 3B goes down in D.Wright. That position is cursed this year. Unless you are Bautista. That guy is the best player in history.

475

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, May 16, 2011, 20:52

I'm encouraged to learn that the reason Wright went down is because he's a 3B, and not just because he's on my team.

476

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, May 16, 2011, 21:38

In the last 162 games ending yesterday, Bautista has hit a total of 64 HRs. Albert hit the next most with 42.

Just saying.......

477

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Mon, May 16, 2011, 22:42

Bautista is sneaking up on my teams hr total. Still in the market to swap some steals for POWER. Prefer not to trade with the guy in 1st place.

478

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Tue, May 17, 2011, 11:20

I was wrong about my limit while punting a stat was 8th. Looks like it's 4th. Hey but I got my second save last night!

479

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, May 18, 2011, 10:26

Species is in first place.

480

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, May 18, 2011, 11:58

Instead of assuming bmd's comment was intended towards an individual, perhaps you should have considered that the context was likely competitive in nature...I.e. he doesn't want to help the competition he's trying to catch???

481

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, May 18, 2011, 13:16

Oh, I'm well aware of that. Personally, I'm in favor of that actual idea - "Not helping Species."

482

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Wed, May 18, 2011, 17:02

Funny thing about the standings. With the giant split between the top three and the next three, even if I had a 20 in saves I wouldn't be better than 4th place, and I'd still be 10 pts down from 3rd.

I think realistically my goal is to finish with more than 100 pts, no matter what my position is. So far, so good.

483

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, May 18, 2011, 22:04

If a player is not in the ESPN database, we cannot add him to our roster... Correct??? I am looking a minor leaguers who might get a call up if I find I have room to stash them away...

484

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, May 18, 2011, 23:43

Correct.

They would be available in the prospect draft, but not the active roster.

485

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, May 19, 2011, 10:36

Yahoo has most of them listed -- as NA... so they are out there for pick up in Yahoo...In fact, I have picked up Jennings (he's on the G20 prospect list) for later on in RIBC
I don't know about CBS player lists as I have no CBS teams...

486

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, May 19, 2011, 10:37

I just checked and they are also in the drafttime list...

Hmmm -- why not on ESPN?

487

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, May 19, 2011, 11:33

I can't tell anyone who they are 'cause then you guys will be hovering over the list and snatch 'em up before me!!!

Anyway to put dibbs on them?

488

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Thu, May 19, 2011, 13:49

How about this for a pitching week. The last three days: 30.2 IP, 0 ER, 19 BR, 33 K, 4 W, 1 SV, 0.00 ERA, 0.62 WHIP.

489

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, May 19, 2011, 14:31

Judy....I don't know what's up with ESPN's database. It could have something to do with whether or not the player is on the 40-man roster, but I don't know.

I thought CBS' database was pretty complete...I went looking for someone recently myself and was disappointed not to find him.

Sorry, but until the prospect draft, there is no way to put in any claim on a player that is not in the database.

Nerf - your run up the standings is nothing short of monumental. If I had known you were THIS GOOD I would've suggested bringing someone else into the league ;)

490

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, May 19, 2011, 15:35

Yeah, Nerf and Judy have been impressive of late. Need to keep working at my team.

491

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Thu, May 19, 2011, 17:30

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. :)

492

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, May 19, 2011, 20:06

491
You bet!

My RiBC team stinks!

493

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, May 21, 2011, 13:42

Nice job Nerf! No matter how bad a team looks, they can always be turned around. At least that's what I keep telling myself when looking at my team.

494

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, May 22, 2011, 10:22

Just noticed that Nerf has been starting Brian Roberts for the last few days when he's been on the DL. That's against the rules in this league. He hasnt made any moves in that time, so no other action is needed. He needs to pick up a 2b to replace Roberts immediately.

495

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, May 22, 2011, 14:03

I am sure nerf doesn't know that is a rule -- I sure did not either... Are there any other special roster rules that are significantly different from RIBC?

496

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, May 22, 2011, 14:04

So you have to have a player for each position every day -- except for off days?

DL guys would be OK on the bench...

497

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, May 22, 2011, 17:00

The activity section states:

You are also expected to keep healthy and competitive players who are playing in your active lineup.

So yeah, at no time should a DL'd player be in your lineup more than a day or two for a manager to notice that they are hurt. If it causes you to have to release a player of value, that's too bad. I lost Matt Kemp (likely before he ever got called up) due to this issue several years ago -- I had to replace a player in my lineup and had to release him. It sucks, but them's the rules.

498

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, May 22, 2011, 19:02

OK thanks for the clarification

499

Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, May 23, 2011, 13:48

Expanding that point a bit.....the rule is intended for definitive, obvious absences like DL visits. The rule doesn't require such meticulous management that you are required to cover a day-to-day scenario or an off day vs a tough pitcher. Still, we would strongly suggest managers make their best efforts to manage their lineup for announced rainouts, player off days, etc whenever possible.....ie no tanking.

500

Bh
ID: 426111516
Mon, May 23, 2011, 18:29

Unrelated thought...

Would anyone support an increase to 7 pitcher slots, and reducing the amount of bench slots by 1? I find that large portion of my bench is excess pitching- 6 slots is small compared to most leagues, including RIBC and ESPN Standard, which are both 9.

501

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, May 23, 2011, 19:33

500 -- nope
But I would like just one DL slot -- maybe with a game limit of 100?

502

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, May 23, 2011, 21:17

500, yeah, everyone has at least 3 or 4 pitchers on their bench, so I don't think moving from 6 to 7 would change anything other then a few less roster moves each year for everyone.

Unless someone points out a consequence I haven't thought of, I'd support moving to 7.

503

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 23, 2011, 22:32

500: What's the point of it? If the total roster number doesn't change, what does the move to 7 do? Why can't you successfully manage your team as it is constructed now?

Answer: it limits the all-reliever/reliever-heavy strategy

Given my "answer" of the question, my counter-point would be that part of the "point" of fantasy baseball (in general) is to duplicate the management on a real baseball team......which requires you to have a stable of starting pitchers that are complimented by a relief staff.

Of course, that perspective is a little tainted given hen's reliever-heavy strategy right now ;)

504

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 23, 2011, 23:22

blue hen doesn't throw a pitch (so far) and gains 4 points. WTF!

505

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, May 24, 2011, 16:29

True. I'm always reliever-heavy in every league. But I find that most of my moves in here are just moving SP's from my bench to starting and vice versa. Adding the extra slot isn't making this league any deeper or shallower, it's just allowing for one layer of flexiblity to avoid an annoyance.

I'm fine either way, just weird that we have so few slots compared to other leagues.

506

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, May 24, 2011, 21:59

I am looking to make a possible big move. I have a surplus of keeper-quality starting pitchers that would make strong additions to many rotations:

James Shields, 29 years old, Tampa Bay Rays
5-2, 2.00 ERA, 0.96 WHIP, 73 strikeouts in 76 2/3 innings

I knew last year was a fluke. Shields has re-established himself as a top starter for one of the better teams in the league. It's easy to forget that Shields put up strong years for very weak Rays teams in 07 and 08 with ERAs of 3.85 and 3.56 together with WHIPs of 1.11 and 1.15 respectively. Of course he won't keep up this blistering pace, but he's an easy keeper in this league.

Ian Kennedy, 26 years old, Arizona D-Backs
5-1, 3.24 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 56 strikeouts in 66 2/3 innings

Kennedy was a stud SP for USC and drafted by the Yankees in Round 1. Last year, in his first full season in the majors he put up a very strong debut, with a 3.80 ERA, a 1.20 whip and 168 strikeouts in 163 innings.....so the progession here in 2010 is no fluke.

Ricky Romero, 26 years old, Toronto Blue Jays
4-4 (thanks to ANOTHER blown save tonight vs. the Yanks), 2.91 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 61 strikeouts in 65 innings.

The 6th overall pick in the 2005 draft after leading Cal State-Fullerton to a CWS title, the big lefty has progressed steadily since his 2009 debut. He posted a nice 3.73 ERA and 1.29 whip last year with 174 k's in 189 innings. His improvement in 2011 is a natural progression.

Alexi Ogando, 27 years old, Texas Rangers
5-0, 2.13 ERA, 1.13 WHIP, 43 strikeouts in 59 2/3 innings.

Ogando has exploded onto the scene and taken a stranglehold on his spot in the Texas rotation. Had one speed bump at NYY where he gave up 5 runs, but since has given up 2 runs twice, 1 run twice, and ZERO runs three times, including a shutout in his last start.

My focus in regards to what I want in return includes:

1 - a closer
2 - an upgrade to another position where (perhaps) I include a player in my lineup + a pitcher(s) for a better player
3 - Picks
4 - Even prospects

PS - I would even consider trading Felix Hernandez, although my price would be pretty high.

Inquire within.

507

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, May 24, 2011, 23:13

I sure hope they finish that game in TX or I lose 2 R, 2HR and 4 BI...with all due respect to those suffering from those horrific tornado outbreaks.

508

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, May 25, 2011, 23:28

Kennedy: Impressive 8 inning, 1 run, winning performance AT Colorado lowers his ERA to 3.01 and keeps his WHIP at 1.04.

509

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, May 26, 2011, 10:48

Phillies game last night was a hoot -- they were acting like kids in the dugout. Valdez was awesome!

510

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, May 26, 2011, 20:34

Wow a CHASE UTLEY HR! Honestly didn't think I'd see one of those this year...

511

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, May 26, 2011, 22:18

Who has Posey? That was a gruesome sight but I do think he could have set his legs better in anticipation...?

513

Toral
ID: 29223113
Fri, May 27, 2011, 06:13

That is so weird to have trade offers under "Your Pending Moves"....

514

Great One
ID: 3447277
Fri, May 27, 2011, 08:47

As someone who looks for trade offers daily, i agree and have pointed that out several times as well in our RIBC league.

For 1, it gets lost there. And 2, it shouldn't be "pending" unless it was actually accepted. Proposed trade? Trade offer? something like that. To me, "Pending Move" is siting there waiting to process... not to be reviewed.

515

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, May 27, 2011, 11:37

Noted. Will pass it along.

516

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, May 27, 2011, 21:57

Trade offers? I only look here...

517

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, May 27, 2011, 22:19

How is the prospect draft order determined?

518

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, May 28, 2011, 00:04

How is the prospect draft order determined?

Inverse order of the standings at the Prospect Keeper deadline (one week before the Prospect Draft).

519

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, May 29, 2011, 00:16

I sure picked the wrong side of that pitching match up in Colorado.

Garcia with 11 ER in 3.1 innings.

Of couse the guy on my bench making his MLB debut went 7 with no earned.

520

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, May 29, 2011, 12:40

Interpretation needed. I finally poked around in the research section and have some questions.
What do the numbers under PR7,PR14 mean? I've figured out that PR = previous. It looks like higher is better but what does it represent?

What is PRK? Something to do with ranking -- is it within that position? If the P is for previous just when was previous?

And finally what does the +/- mean?

Thanks.

521

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Sun, May 29, 2011, 13:29

PR means player rater. It's ESPN's proprietary ranking system. 7, 15, 30 is the player's rating over the last 7, 15, and 30 days, respectively. +/- is the percent owned change in the last day I believe.

522

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, May 29, 2011, 13:44

Shoot -- 2B Hill hits a GS -- from my bench...

523

bh@minnesota
ID: 284462917
Sun, May 29, 2011, 18:46

I hear you on Garcia - had him in a couple leagues. His ERA went up over a run.

524

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 30, 2011, 12:13

Trade Announcement:

Species receives:

Jose Valverde
R9's 2012 14th round pick

R9 receives:

Species' 2011 3rd round prospect pick
Species' 2012 3rd round pick

525

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, May 30, 2011, 22:00

Confirmed.

526

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, May 31, 2011, 10:56

Nice work, men.

527

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 00:08

LOL......no truth to the rumor that I was the official scorer in Oakland tonight. ARod gets caught in a rundown on a steal attempt, Teixeira breaks for the plate and makes it and they gave them a double steal. Teix was NOT going on a true "double steal" -- more breaking for home thinking he could make it in the rundown. AWESOME for me!

I have excess assets in Philip Humber and new Rockies leadoff man/2b Eric Young Jr (on my prospect list). I will probably call up Young soon - but with Kelly Johnson going off for like 6 homers in the last week, I don't have anywhere to play EY and his 3 steals since the weekend. I know SOMEBODY could use a dynamic leadoff man at 2b!

528

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 13:01

Amendment to trade in 524. Species already has my 14th round pick from an off-season trade, so he gets my 13th round instead.

529

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 13:11

Trade Anncouncement:

Judy receives:
Cliff Lee
R9's 2012 8th round pick
R9's 2012 9th round pick

R9 receives:
Judy's 2012 1st round pick
Judy's 2012 3rd round pick
Judy's 2011 1st round prospect pick

530

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 14:37

Damn. I wanted Lee (pretty bad, too) but that was more than I was looking to pay. But still fair. Good work both of you.

531

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 14:59

Confirmed

532

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 15:21

Can someone update the league note? The prospects and update picks are still out of whack.

533

Peter .N
ID: 28542119
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 20:42

I'd like to callup prospect Freddie Freeman and drop Jerry Hairston Jr.

534

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 22:34

532 and 534: done

535

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 22:34

533 even

536

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 10:01

Guys, lots going on irl right now. Not sure if Species is up to date with all the trades, etc. I am actively managing my team--if ya wanna call that a team--but that's about it. Haven't been able to really deal with trade negotiations, etc. Obviously, my team is going into rebuild mode. Looking for keeper hitting, high draft picks and prospect picks.

537

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 10:46

Just looked at the league page. The pressure is surely on for Nine next season. He has 8 picks in the first three rounds...!

538

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 12:42

please send drabek down he has only 63.1 IP

I will add a player in a minute.

539

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 12:59

Wait, what's the prospect limit? I see both of these in the constitution:

"hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP"

"all hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP"

Kyle Drabek has 80.1 career IP, and would not be eligible to be sent down by the first set of rules.

540

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 17:55

539: three is a difference.

Eligibility to stay on the prospect roster at the Prospect Keeper deadine and the preseason keeper deadline is 300 ABs and 110 IP/40 games pitched.

Eligibility to be eligible to be drafted in the prospect draft in the first place is 150 ABs and 55 IP/20 GP.

So, if 80.1 IP is accurate, Drabek is still eligible for the prospect list and can be sent down.

541

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 18:08

Ok got it. Thanks for the clarification.

542

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 18:55

Yes -- thanks

I sent out a few emails with the question and then interpreted the rule to be 111 IP. Forgot he had a few last year though...

Shoulda expected the mets to rally after their mgr screamed at them yesterday... Oh well.

543

Bh
ID: 426111516
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 00:08

Why haven't all of you voted in the poll?

544

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 00:25

So once drabek gets to 110 IP I would need to bring him up or drop him from my prospect list?
Would that be correct?
Actually I would need to move him anyway since I gave my prospect pick to Nine and would need to clear the space. So basically I am giving a few other guys tryouts for my team...and we will see who I keep in the end!

545

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 00:26

What poll?

546

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 01:19

544, not quite. You don't have to make the decision the instant he goes over 110 IP.

The only checks for prospects are at the prospect draft deadline and the preseason keeper deadline. So if Drabek goes over 110 IP but it happens after the prospect draft, you'd only have to make a decision on him before the keeper deadline next March. If it happens before the prospect draft deadline, you'd have to decide then.

It is somewhat moot of course as you do need to drop/call up permanently one of Alonso, Drabek or Choice, and Drabek makes the most sense there...

547

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 08:57

Got it! Thanks.

548

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 10:16

There's a poll on the home page about which of the bottom teams will compete. Only 7 managers have voted.

549

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 10:35

We need to vote on who is the best looking, I've got that on lock down too.

550

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Jun 05, 2011, 08:35

All of the answers are correct with the additional point if that a prospect is currently called up and hits the threshold, he loses his prospect status immediately (hence can't be sent down).

As far as voting goes on the ESPN league home page on the right, only a few have voted for any of the polls this season and those voting for GO right now can't be serious! ;) GL has the best shot at this point and he has no votes.

551

Great One
ID: 20524510
Sun, Jun 05, 2011, 11:25

I feel like I've left about 10 HR's on the bench the past month. Gotta get this straightened out.

552

Great One
ID: 20524510
Sun, Jun 05, 2011, 11:31

Ok, so that was not an exaggeration, but an understatement... 11 HR's left on the bench since May 23rd. Nice.

553

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 10:31

I'm not sure I see that, Ref. Goat has a ton of holes in his lineup beyond Cabrera and Gaby. He's been smart with his pickups, but he won't keep up the offense points with the hitters he had, and the injured guys coming back won't improve much if at all. There's some potential with the pitching, but he's starting quite low and I just don't see it happening.

Great One, meanwhile, has a potentially great offense, with Weeks, Longoria, Cruz, Morneau, and Santana as a fantastic foundation and and good contributions from Morse, Swisher, and Smoak, plus Rizzo. His pitching is decent too - I expect much better things from Lester and Billingsley.

That's what makes this a great poll - good discussion starting points. Looks like the league agrees with my assessment, although I wish the other 13 managers would vote.

554

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 10:59

I do expect to be in the high double digits in all offensive categories by the end of the season so a lot of room to grow there if I keep things in tact. Although I do have some major long term trades being worked on that may sacrifice this season, so that would certainly change things.

But I am also 100-200+ IP behind most of you folks. So I expect a vintage GO large second half run may be on the horizon. And my ERA/WHIP are WAY out of whack. They've been slowly trending downward the last month, but I'm still rocking a 1/1 in those two categories. My 5.00+ ERA and 1.50+ WHIP won't last.

Perhaps Ref feels that way cause I traded off my closer? but 15-20 saves from here on out which may have moved me from 12th to 9th in the final standings wasn't really worth my holding on to Putz while he had value. Closers just aren't worth it unless you are in contention.

Also noteworthy is my penchant for ridiculous comebacks. A couple recent ones were a 45 point comeback in 30 days for RIBC last year to lose by half a point. And about 20 points in just a couple weeks of RIHC this season to steal the thing. Also pulled off similar comebacks in Dirty Dozen and twice in the now defunct Lucky 13.

555

Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 13:54

I find it incredible that we are on our way to a vicious battle of 180+ point giants this summer. I have 4 points in saves to gain in relatively short order and some upside in steals while hen continues to manage his pitching to more points.

Incredible.....it will be a fun but stressful summer.

556

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 14:05

You know what's awesome? The two weeks I'm going to be out of the country in September. But should be fun nonetheless.

557

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 15:11

With two thirds of the season left, the waiting game will be hard. Trying not to screw up is my main goal. Also waiting for a few folks to play to their potential (Ya hear me CarGo?).

558

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 21:43

Anybody else notice that when you look at the BVP stat, there are a ton of players who have never batted vs the SP?

Wonder why?? Lots of new faces??? More new SP or more new batters???

559

Great One
ID: 20524510
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 22:08

BH and I were discussing that and I threw some ideas out at him cause you are right its not especially useful if there is no history... I wonder if there is a way (this may be too complicated) that if they don't have say a 10 AB threshold vs. that pitcher than you just get season stats vs. LHP or RHP, whichever is applicable.

560

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 10:18

Hey Judy, I'd be happy to trade you back for Cargo, if you're unhappy with him.

561

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 11:15

Nice try bh.

He'll wake up eventually...

562

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 11:40

Just happened to notice that Carlos Santana no longer qualifies as a prospect and is called up.

563

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 11:43

Same thing goes for Brett Wallace.

564

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 11:47

ditto Hellickson.

565

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 11:58

Damn, R9 I just noticed it was only picks for Cliff. I swear my offer was Smoak and a 1st rounder for him as a starting point. And just think how much more valuable my picks would be sitting in last place than Judy who can win this thing. Of course I probably wouldn't be in last if i had Lee for most of the year, but nonetheless. Hindsight I guess.

When do we need to call guys up to free up a prospect spot? I'm going to have to do that with Dominic at some point here, but right now I'd rather have the extra roster spot. Although I may just need another hitter anyway in the near future based on some trade talks...

566

Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 13:24

GO -- you don't have to pare down your prospects until the Prospect Keeper deadline, which is 1 week before the Prospect Draft. The Prospect Draft is at the All-Star break.

567

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 19:43

Sherby -- you'll have 5 1B!! I see more trades in your future...

568

Peter .N
ID: 28542119
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 22:01

Its nice to see the league coming alive with some good conversations. GO's team has scary potential. It might not happen this year, but he's going to be a force at some point.

I'm not sure what to think of my team. I flirted with 1st there for awhile, but have gone back some. My relievers are killing me. I'm pretty happy with my offense and starting pitching(besides Volquez). He did show some signs of life today. I need more of that.

If anyone is interested in a catcher, I have two(Napoli and Martin). I also have Freddie Freeman available to those looking for a solid young starter at 1st base. In return, I'd be looking for some c-loser help.

569

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 11:24

Freeman is no longer a prospect.

570

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 15:59

Any picks with the latest trade offer?

571

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 17:07

A couple picks were included, but nothing major.

Species gets Sabathia, Harang, and my 14th rounder in the 2012 supplemental draft

I get Kennedy, Romero, Ogando, and his 9th rounder in 2012

572

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 17:41

Confirmed.

573

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 19:59

Gotta admit, I like the Guru side of that one.

No picks in the GO/Slizz trade?

574

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 22:18

Methinks guru got a boatload with this trade!!!

Drabek is available for 2012 pick upgrade. He has 85.2 IP so prospect status is --who knows. A rebuilder could use him...

575

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 08, 2011, 22:19

Nice night for my P:
21 IP, 1 ER, 15K, 1W, 1S, 0.86 ERA, 0.86 WHIP...

576

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 10:15

Quick rules clarification: is it correct that no player with less than 150 AB or in the minors can be picked up from July 4 until the end of the prospect draft? That's how I read the rules; I just want to make sure I'm reading it right.

577

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 11:34

The fall begins.. it was fun while it lasted!

578

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 13:01

576:
No draft-eligible prospect will be allowed to be picked-up after the Sunday freeze before the All-Star break until after the prospect draft concludes.

This year's all all-star game is Tues. July 12. Therefore the draft will begin on Mon July 11 and the freeze for picking up a prospect eligible player on your regular roster will be from the freeze on Sunday July 11 until the P-draft is complete.

Rule Rationale: There are no teams actively playing during the ASB so picking up a prospect-eligible player can only hurt the integrity of the P-draft.

Also, if a player is drafted in the June MLB draft, he may not be picked up until after our Prospect Draft that year That and the amateur status rule came into play during CBS' rush to add Strasburg. If ESPN happens to add someone in this MLB Draft, they can't be added to your team before our P-Draft.

579

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 13:20

I forgot that last part about the MLB draft players but thats a great rule. Those guys should have to go through our Prospect Draft before anybody can jump on them.

By the way, my (likely pretty high) prospect pick is going to be for sale. I am pretty happy with my Shelby/Kelly prospect duo and would probably rather use that pick in a package to upgrade an existing rostered player.

580

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 14:12

I can confirm that 2011 draftees will not be added to the ESPN database (unless they get called up and play this season, at which point they'll be on waivers for two days after the debut).

I thought there was a week when you weren't able to pick up those players. But it looks like one day plus however long the draft takes. That's fine by me.

581

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 14:17

If you cut a player within a week of the draft you can't draft him.

582

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 14:54

A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP and has not been on your active roster within one week prior to the draft.

Does this mean that the manager who dropped him cannot draft him or that ANYONE cannot draft him?

583

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 15:41

582: JUST the manager who dropped him. That is to avoid - for example - me continuing to stash Manny Banuelos and "sneaking" him out back into the pool the night before the draft in the hopes that no one would notice.

584

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jun 09, 2011, 16:08

Got it - that's exactly what I wanted.

585

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 00:58

Calling up Mike Moustakas and sending down Jerry Sands.

586

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 02:47

Moustakas called up for the first time.

587

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jun 12, 2011, 22:02

Congrats judy on making it to the top. Highly impressive run.

588

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Jun 12, 2011, 22:50

Agreed. Congrats Judy!

589

Toral
ID: 325171222
Sun, Jun 12, 2011, 23:18

Agreed! Let's call the season right, take the summer off, and enjoy the triumph of the good, while the bad people are out of first place!

Toral

590

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 07:26

Nice to see Cliff Lee helping a team at the top win. ;)

591

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 09:48

According to the ESPN calculations I am 436 IP behind pace to get to 1400.
Using Yahoo's math (a league with similar IP and 1400 limit) I am only 150 IP behind the pace.

I've always found Yahoo to be pretty reliable as I pace my IP throughout the year, so I'm not sure whats up with ESPN.

592

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 10:16

GO, you're at 414.1 IP, and we're 40.7 percent done the season. That projects you to 1018 innings for the season (100/40.7*414.3=1017.9). 1018 is 382 innings less than the limit of 1400, so you are on pace to finish 382 innings under where you are allowed.

On Yahoo, you are expected to have pitched 569.8 IP so far (.407*1400) but you've pitched 414.1. So they say that you're 155.7 behind the pace (569.8-414.1=155.7).

It's really the same calculation - just that is your current innings behind the current expected pace and one is your projected final innings behind the season limit.

593

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 10:18

Got it - one is for the season, one is more of a day by day pacing that you'd be trying to get back to.

Thanks!

594

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 12:22

Thanks guys -- but it could blow up in my face with 3 widely inconsistent pitchers going tonight...

On the one hand it's good it is a long season, but on the other hand if it had ended last night, well...

595

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 13:15

#592 and #593 I see the math, but HUH??

So what is the expected average IP / day? Which I guess means deciding what to use as the definition of "day"? calendar or 162??

As long as I am in the green, I know I am good to keep on going.

596

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 13:25

Judy, you have 1400 innings. The numbers say the same thing - either "you are on pace for more than 1400 innings" or "you have pitched more innings than you should to be on pace for 1400 innings."

ESPN's will be a bigger number because it's a projected season final. At the exact halfway point of the season, ESPN's number should be twice as big as Yahoo's.

597

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 23:51

That didn't last long with batters at 2/20, 1 R as I head to bed...

The overall scoring seems to be really low this year and not just my Phillies...

598

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 10:21

Large league roto is a funny thing. Floating between 4th and 6th for a month, and then lose 8 spots in 7 days.

599

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 21:34

LOL......at 6:33pm Pacific time, it was a 3-way tie for the lead. I love it.

600

Bh
ID: 426111516
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 21:53

Grrrr Shields

601

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 21:54

I didn't start him. :(

602

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 15, 2011, 11:31

R9, I just wanted to embarrass you here too - happy birthday!

603

Toral
ID: 52559165
Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 06:59

Call up Dustin Ackley for the 1st time. Drop Chris Getz.

604

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 17:13

603: Done for Ackley's first call up.

605

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 10:42

What a frustrating season

Look at this line:

15.0 IP 12 K 2.40 ERA 1.20 WHIP

0 Wins
Way my season has been going pitching wise.

606

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 10:58

If that's the way your season has gone, pitching-wise, you don't have a whole lot to complain about.

607

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 12:11

Anybody want Drabek as a prospect? I will move him up to protect him while he gains control... looking for regular draft pick

608

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 12:41

I'm looking to trade off one of my prospect picks. Maybe package it with a hitter for a top shelf pitcher. Anyone interested?

609

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 13:26

I would be interested but I don't have anything resembling a top shelf pitcher.

610

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 16:37

Emailed Nerf.

By the way, Nerfherders (Lowrie) and Allhair (Craig) are starting injured players. Please fix.

611

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 16:41

lol thanks hen (602). Was my 30th, so I've been understandably afk for a few days recovering. ;)

Anyone looking to move prospect picks, we can probably work something out. Drop me a line. Going through my email backlog, will get to those of you who sent me something soon.

612

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 16:46

In Canada, don't they have the big celebration at 28 (aka 30 Canadian)?

613

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jun 17, 2011, 16:47

(602/611)
Ah 30, so long ago...

614

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Jun 18, 2011, 17:35

I am in rebuild mode. Hit me up if you'd like to improve your team this season.

615

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 00:38

Confirming no draft picks or anything else involved in my trade with Tosh. Well, except for a cat stuck up in a tree.

616

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 01:34

My nerf football throwing arm is not as accurate as in the days of my youth. Although there have been some close calls ... the cat is still up in the tree.

And yeah ... just players. No picks.

617

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 10:15

Always odd to gain so much on a day when your team didn't really do much. I suppose that means I'll drop a bunch today.

BH - ever given thought to different Standings sorts? like 30 days, 15 days etc? or by month - April, May etc?

618

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 11:22

Wow
A #2 starter for a young, slumping 2B for a team than has 4 2B eligibles already...

With no picks for balance...

Just sayin'...

619

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 11:37

Well for comparison Judy, I'd rather have Neil Walker than Hudson myself.

620

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 11:56

Honestly, I'd also rather have Walker. But this was about need - my team definitely needs pitching, even after the Hudson deal.

This leaves me a serious gap at second base, but I am hoping my powerful outfield (and some guy named Bautista) can overcome it.

621

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 11:58

Let's take a look at those 2B I have Judy ...

Rodriguez - Only plays versus lefties
Figgins - A black hole. At least if I left the slot open, it won't damage my OBP. Otherwise I'm just getting zeroes.
Weeks - Probably getting sent back to AAA this week
Cuddyer - My 1B since Posey went down.

Cuddyer still needs 7 games to get 2B eligibility for next year. Assuming ESPN follows their 20-game guidelines.

I already have Halladay & Weaver. And not a single viable 2B as a keeper. It's hard to evaluate the value of a Weaver or a Halladay in a trade ... but Hudson is a bit easier.

Walker works better for me than Hudson. Helps me now. Helps me in the future (hopefully).

622

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 13:46

I'm still pissed i had to give up Walker cause i knew I couldn't keep him, and more shocked that Cliff couldn't find a way to keep him.

623

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 14:23

Love a good discussion -- thanks for the input.

624

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 14:43

I hate this discussion - everyone telling me I got the worse player.

625

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 16:48

Walker was #2 on my draft board and I wish he had been #1.

626

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jun 20, 2011, 22:14

How good is Walker?

Name the only player on this list that has MORE RBI than Neil Walker:

1 - Jose Bautista
2 - Alex Rodriguez
3 - Ryan Braun
4 - Mike Stanton
5 - Albert Pujols

No peeking.

627

Toral
ID: 8559213
Tue, Jun 21, 2011, 05:02

626 That tells you how good -- or lucky -- Walker has been, not how good he is. He's not slugging .400, doesn't have a 750 OPS and the high RBI total is just temporary -- a reflection of fluke luck and hitting higher in the lineup than he deserves.

628

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jun 21, 2011, 14:27

Walker came up with a prospect pedigree, and has hit and hit and hit. He's still getting better. Sure he's been lucky with RBIs, but I'd guess his OBP will be higher at the end of the year than now.

He's very similar to Hudson - came in highly touted, had some success, struggled to find consistency, is young and has a bright future. That's why they were traded for each other.

629

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 21, 2011, 23:25

Happy birthday to me!

630

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Jun 21, 2011, 23:36

In his first game on the squad, Walker goes 2-4 w/ 3 RBIs. We're currently +7 points on the day, and moved from 6th to 5th place.

So far, so good.

631

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 03:36

Happy b-day Judy! 30 for you too? ;)

I can see both Toral and Tosh's POV on this one. At first I really liked Hudson by a landslide, but yeah, 2B is really thin.

632

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 07:24

Uh R9 -- not even close...

633

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 09:41

Re: 630. That's the point. Even if he'd gone 0 for 5, it wouldn't have made much difference in my standings.

Wow, I had no idea Hudson was so popular! Daniel Hudson is now on the block!

634

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 10:58

Man, I just want to call out Judy for her good work - in the last year, she's managed to trade away Pujols, Wright, and Santana, three superstars of the highest magnitude who now have values significantly lower. I, for one, definitely didn't see it coming, and she did. Good job!

635

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 12:45

Here, here. And getting Cliff Lee was pretty slick too.

636

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 12:52

Thanks bh but it is a lot of dumb luck.

Also when I don't "like" a guy I get rid of him...like I won't draft NY Jints or Cowboys for football -- it's a principle thing...

Bsides there is a long way to go and my regulars could falter although most seem to be "at average"...

637

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 22:18

Impresie

Right now bh has five 20 point scores including ALL the hitter stats...

638

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 22:19

That was supposed to be "impressive"...

639

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 22:20

Oops meant SIX 20 pointers...

640

Toral
ID: 8559213
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 19:21

Judy and bh in a tree....

641

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 20:08

#640
Uh Toral, not a chance...

Just observing...

642

Great One
ID: 3447277
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 10:12

I'd have to guess its the first time BH has been called impressive when it relates to his bat(s).... oh! :)

643

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 14:04

I'm more of a Toral guy myself.

120 points is great, but I've got a bit of work to do.

644

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 15:38

Ready to dismantle for this year. Most of my guys are available. Got a ton of saves and SBs. Get em before your competitor does.

645

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 17:08

Still looking to trade a prospect pick for a 2012 pick - let me know.

646

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 22:26

Just to clarify, when I say dismantle I don't mean I'm going to trade guys that are 30 or younger for very cheap. Everybody is always "available" but most of the under 30 year old keepers are going to be hard to pry away.

647

darkside
Achiever
ID: 3590317
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 16:11

Does anyone else think there's something wrong with the league? I've been hovering between 7th and 10th place for a while, yet have also been contemplating throwing in the towel on the season for some time now. Likewise, beastiemiked (who is in 6th place) has made it official and I'd guess if you're much below 10th place you're of a similar mind. This may be how it works in every keeper league (this is the only one I've ever been in), but it really sucks that maybe only 1/4 of the league is actually competing for this year and it's not even July. We haven't hit the all star break and virtually every one has given up.

Is there anything to be done about this? I honestly don't know, I just think it's a huge bummer. Certainly I didn't mind when I was rebuilding, and I recognize it's part of the game, but it just seems, somehow, fundamentally messed up.

Anyway, back to actual league stuff--I'll add props to Judy. I can't believe Quentin has outperformed Pujols and that she traded off some of her most notable players and is in the thick of it. Not surprised blue hen and Species are in the race...good work to you three. I hope Pete or Tosh can challenge. I'm pretty sure I've got no chance, but will wait till Josh Johnson is back to see if I should do something drastic to stay competitive.

648

Toral
ID: 235522516
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 17:52

Uncompetitiveness is a fluke or unusual situation I believe, caused by 2 extremely strong teams, teams strong partly because of good management and partly because of other factors that will not recur again or continue indefinitely. It is what I expected before the season; I don't expect it will continue forever.

On a side note, I'm not generally in favour of stringing out awards of prize money, but it is a good idea in a league this size.

649

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 18:08

Relax all.

My team will be toast next year, so just wait for your opening...it'll come...

When I was in the middle last year, I made some mini goals for my team and tried to reach them, so I did some micromanaging to see what I could do...(not much it turned out, except dumping players I did not want, which turned out to work out -- so far, I must stress --for this season.)

There is surely an injury lying in wait to nip at least one of us... I can only hope it is not me...

650

Toral
ID: 235522516
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 18:12

BTW, for those who view all this as a "problem", one possible solution would be forbidding the trading of prospect picks. There are reasons why MLB teams cannot trade their draft picks.

651

blue hen
ID: 266191021
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 19:02

Actually, I agree with Darkside. 17 teams in this league are rebuilding. And the remaining three have made multiple trades to get (even) better. Sabathia, Lee, DHudson, Rajai, Valverde, and Putz have all gone to the top 3 in the past month or so. I agree that it's not as fun as it has been in the past.

I don't have a good solution. I don't think preventing prospect pick trades will help. Frankly, the prospect draft has been very uninteresting the last two years because everyone picks up any prospect worth his salt (heck, I've done it too).

Maybe if we had an incentive for finishing 10th? Would that get it done?

652

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 19:23

Good discussion.

I think it's just been one of those years where a dominant group has pulled so far away that those below realize they have no chance, so why not unload some of your non-keeps to contenders? (side note: they're figuring it out a little too late -- most of those deals have already gone down....barring injury, there's little need for the top 3 to make more deals)

It's not like bmd is going to go do a fire sale (IMO).....he's just not going to try hard to move up.....big difference. It would be one thing if those 4th-7th were in the 150s and the top 3 were in the mid-160s.......but with a FIFTY point difference between 1st and 4th, and a 40 point difference between 3rd and 4th, wtf would be the point of going all-out to make trades for THIS year?

There's always going to be a mix of those ready to rise and those ready to fall. I will be lucky to have 2 more years of contention after this year......who would have thought Pete would have jumped from dead last to 4th? Nerf taking the team he inherited into the top 10? Lots of success stories are lost if you judge the competitiveness of this league solely on the dominance of the top 3 teams.

We are nearing the halfway point. How would each of you handicap the league going forward??

653

R9
ID: 2854239
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 20:47

We've had years where going into the last month, 6 or 7 teams were within 10 pts of first, and it was really anyone's game. We also had that year where Twarpy ran away with the thing, and everyone else was fighting for 2nd by June. We can't do much about that, other then to acknowledge that its more fun when there are many teams competing. Certainly, I'm sure its fun for the top 3 teams right now; its a hell of a race. I had a great time when it was Pete and I competing down to the wire two years ago. I don't know how the other 18 teams that were out of it felt though.

Most professional sports leagues can't do much about this either. In baseball it can be somewhat boring to watch the Yankees and Red Sox running away with a big lead, yet again. How awesome would it be if all 5 teams in that division were within 2 games of 1st? But I don't know how you can force competitiveness. To me, it just happens.

I also want to point out that neither Hen nor Species has suffered through any serious injuries. Both of them have had their guys perform very much as projected. (How often does THAT happen?)
Lets say both of them had two key HR/RBI bats get hurt/perform like a 34 y/o Robbie Alomar. The league at the top would probably be far more tightly packed. In that instance, we might've had as many as 6 teams within 20 pts of 1st, and the whole year would seem to be very different.

Which is to say, picking one year that is being dominated by 3 teams to say the league's competitiveness is skewed is a bit silly. G20 has seen complete monopolies at the top and complete chaos with 8 teams still in it going into August. Which is pretty neat actually. You never know what a G20 season is going to bring.

-------------------------------------------------

I will acknowledge though, that league structure can often enforce parity. The NHL playoff chase every year often has only 5 or 6 teams (out of a 30 team league) completely out of it going into the final month. The salary cap has brought parity to a league that used to have none.
I'm not sure how G20 could 'legislate' parity like that, and I'm not sure I'd want to, but maybe its something to think about.

-------------------------------------------------

One comment on 651. I don't think 17 teams are rebuilding. To me, rebuilding means tearing down everything. You have 3 or 4 teams who are rebuilding (and have been since the start of the year) and the rest are just retooling for a run next year. Much the same as it has been every year imo.

654

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 23:33

I agree with others that say this year is kinda fluky in that the top teams have been extremely fortunate. That's not to say that they just got really lucky but it was kind of the perfect storm of the 2 best preseason teams(bh and Species) both having all the cards fall their way. A lot can happen but both could probably still trade their way out of injuries.

I'm actually shocked where my team is considering I kept Fowler, Ian Stewart, Morrow, and drafted Matusz with my 1st round pick. Add in Zimmerman having 2 hr's and 10 RBIs and it's probably a miracle I'm even in the top 10.

655

blue hen
ID: 266191021
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 01:19

And of course, in the last week I've lost two of my keepers to injury (Choo and Sanchez) and dropped or traded my first three picks. Woe is me, I guess.

But remember, it's June. Judy was below the top for most of this year, but things just came together right around the time she traded for Cliff Lee. Would love to see someone else join the fray too.

656

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 05:53

Uh, wrong-o bh,

I've been hanging with you guys all season...The Lee trade kept me closer and scared you a bit -- methinks.

657

darkside
ID: 472162421
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 11:48

Maybe my thinking was too colored by this season and the year Twarpy destroyed everyone. Still just doesn't seem right that most everyone has decided to play for next year before we even hit July. As has been said, it's likely just a fluke and nothing to worry about. Thanks for all the replies!

658

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 13:23

I was 4th before the team had a run of bad performance for a few weeks and dropped to the middle of the pack. Injuries to my offense has gutted it and it looks like I wont be getting two of those players back.

Even so, I am pretty close to my goal of 100 pts / 10th place. For me, I would consider that a win. On the other hand, I wont be trading young players to try to get it.

Payouts to tenth place might keep more teams in it longer, but that would probably mean raising the the buy-in. One of the things that makes RIBC great is that there are tiers to try to get to. If you cant get to first you try for third or you have to try to get to seventh, for example. There's fights within fights.

A more drastic solution would be to go to H2H with divisions and playoffs.

659

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 08:16

NOoOoOOoOOoOO
H2H

660

Great One
ID: 3447277
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 09:11

I had thought my team was hitting pretty well the last month, i feel like i get a couple HR's every day... and I guess i was close cause I count 51 HR's the last 30 days. I don't think even our contenders have been able to match that.

Its a shame I had such a bad start.

661

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 10:33

You can actually look that up. Go to your clubhouse, and in the nav row, click more to get the dropdown, then choose active stats. Then click on Weekly Totals. Team Blue Hen had 42 homers in April, 41 in May, and 35 so far in June. 37 since May 30th, although there's a slump going right now. More importantly, after 3.19/1.13 with the pitching in May, it's at 4.32/1.34 in June.

662

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 10:45

Thanks BH, some more great stuff to look at. My ERA/WHIP are both trending in the right direction too which is great. Its been a long slow climb from some absolutely dreadful pitching #'s to where I should start to gain some points over there finally. Working in some good middle relievers has helped chip away, added some K's and Albuquerque has somehow won 4 games the last couple weeks.

663

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 13:04

Yeah, I love that page. I can't seem to get it out from buried next to Max & Pace, but at least it's there.

664

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 13:17

Yeah, you should try and get a link to it via the Standings page... that would be useful.

I still wish there were a way to break the overall Standings down similarly, or at least by month.
I suppose thats a lot more data to compile though, so I can see how it would be difficult.

665

Peter N.
ID: 265181321
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 19:30

RE 664: Guru had split standings for G20 basketball where you could sort by specific dates and see who's performed the best over a certain period of time. I'm not sure if there is a link for baseball or if it became too much to track. I enjoyed it though for basketball.

666

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 21:43

661
Hey that's a nice feature...

667

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 01:20

Let's try switching over to the buy side. Looking for OF and 1st baseman with decent power and obp numbers.

Have Ian Stewart and matusz available for any rebuilding teams.

668

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 14:35

ESPN page is down...

669

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 14:46

was planning on a transaction today... good thing I set my lineup last night...

bh any thoughts??

670

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 15:06

Mid day maintenance??

Finally got the notice when I tried to access my team...

671

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 22:17

Trade Announcement:

Judy sends:
2012 5th round pick

bmd sends:
Kyle Farnsworth
2012 12th round pick

672

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 22:23

Confirmed

When do I have to drop the guy to make room?

673

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 10:38

I think you have to drop the guy as part of the trade offer on ESPN. Then it automatically drops him when it adds Farnsworth to your team.

There were some issues yesterday, but I've been able to make moves this morning.

Nice move Judy. Are you going to have any draft picks next year? Lee's been awesome, so there's that.

674

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 10:51

bh -- do I list the drop anywhere in anticipation? Should I wait for the trade to go through first -- I do not want the guy anymore esp after his last three starts. I guess I could just drop him today since I would be benching him anyway...

This move is actually not in response to Madson on the DL. We were setting it up before that, so this is extra nice now.

I've got lotsa picks left -- not to worry. I'lI look for the hidden gems in the mid rounds!

675

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 10:53

I went ahead and dropped him now.

676

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 10:59

Nerfherders is calling up Ben Revere

677

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 11:00

I believe the prospect keeper deadline is this weekend.

I'm renouncing prospect rights to Tim Alderson. Retaining Christian Colon and Lonnie Chisenhall as prospects.

678

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 11:13

I'll renounce Dominic Brown. And my high prospect pick is for sale in a package deal or otherwise.

679

Jaydog
ID: 315162910
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 11:16

I am renouncing the rights to Michael Bowden and holding on to Aaron Hicks and Jarrod Parker.

680

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 11:37

Motion on the table to not count 678 until Great One learns how to spell his player's name.

681

Toral
ID: 235522516
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 12:06

I renounce prospect rights to Dustin Ackley.

682

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 14:35

I renounce drabek.

683

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 14:54

I'll take the "I" out when he plays with less selfishness and laziness and will add the "O" when he does the same like last night.

684

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 15:04

GO.
He's gonna be OK. Charlie had a chat with him. I am certain he will hustle from here on out. Did you see him flying around the bases last night? The post game interview was a good one too. The kid learned the lesson early. Charlie has two rules: hustle and don't be late.

685

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 15:09

As a Sox fan, yes, I unfortunately saw him flying around the bases lol... also saw him trotting on his big HR! maybe he can take a couple days off before completing the big resurgence :) Take it easy tonight Dom, Lackey needs you too.

686

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 15:11

Also, can I add him myself? I am gonna drop Schafer but not until after tomorrows games start cause I doubt he plays vs. Lester on Thursday.

687

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 15:22

GO
He is in the line up for tonight. Our alternatives are worse...

688

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 15:37

I'm confused. Was I not allowed to pick up brown?

689

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 15:42

Maybe dropped prospects need to go through waivers? That would make sense.

690

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 15:50

I'm renouncing Castro. I should have 2 prospect picks.

691

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 16:06

I'm not really sure how this works so bear with me:

I called up Revere and intend to keep him on the active roster, so he's no longer on my prospect roster.

I am dropping Ynoa from my prospect roster.

I am keeping Chapman on my prospect roster.

That leaves me with two prospect picks.

692

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 16:15

BMD - I meant that I was gonna renounce rights to him as a prospect, but I thought I was supposed to wait for a commish to add him to my regular roster.

693

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 16:57

Nerf, that was fine.

I am keeping Hosmer as a prospect, and I don't have any other prospects, so I have two prospect picks.

694

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 19:09

I have no problems dropping him as long as you are the only one allowed to pick him up. Also, I want to be able to get Miranda back. Commishes?

695

Peter N.
ID: 455102919
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 20:10

Freddie Freeman is on my roster and no longer a prospect. Retaining Martin Perez and Josh Vitters. That leaves me with 1 prospect pick. I gave up on Hosmer and that bit me in the arse. I'll hold onto hopes for Vitters.

696

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 21:18

Renounce the rights to Donovan Tate and Jenrry Mejia.

Retain Manny Machado.

697

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 22:11

Only Prospect I have is Yu Darvish, and I'm retaining his rights.

Will have 2 picks.

698

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:03

Guys my life is really crazy right now. BMD just sent me a note of an issue with renouncing prospects.

If a player is renounced and not currently on a team, he needs to be picked up and dropped so he can be on waivers.

699

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:04

Alright, I'm going to go ahead and drop him since GO obviously meant to keep him.

700

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:05

I think GO should retain rights since he clearly didn't want to straight drop him.

701

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:06

Not sure how that works with ESPN because they are not on waivers if you pick them up and drop them the same day.

702

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:13

Don't renounce until he is on your roster! Say you want to call him up then renounce. ;)

Looks like the last day to announce prospects is 11:59 pm ET on July 4th. After that all prospects will be kept. If you have traded a pick you have to get down to your required number or a commish will remove one.

703

Great One
ID: 35521016
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:29

Sorry for the confusion! Can Miranda be added back manually to BMD's squad?

704

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:39

I am keeping Trout and Minor on my prospect roster.

Moustakas is on my active roster, and I am renouncing his prospect status.

I am renouncing the rights Mike Montgomery.
I am renouncing the rights to Jerry Sands.

I will have my 1st round pick, as well as all 3 Species picks and Judy's 1st round pick.

705

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:52

GO, it's all good. I don't want Miranda after another 0fer today. With Goldschmidt looming his upside just isn't there for me to hold him.

JFC, R9. Quit prospect hording :)

706

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 23:56

I already dropped Drabek from my active roster and now thought I dropped him from my prospect list as well?? I renounced him in #682.

I cannot pick him up again to drop him to waivers as I do not have any roster room. This is going to be confusing as to who can waiver for whom??

I have 2 prospects Alonso and Choice and am keeping both. I have no picks as I traded it to R9 (Lee).

707

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 00:19

I renounce rights to Eric Young. That leaves me with no prospects, and fulfills my obligations to R9, as he owns all of my prospect picks.

Hopefully I accurately have accounted for the renouncements in the League Rules. I'll try to audit it again in the upcoming days.

Let the Great One/Domonic Brown F-up be a lesson! That is the WRONG way to "call up" a prospect when you renounce!! Thank you bmd for graciously realizing that GO did this very poorly.

I'll get an announcement email out to remind those teams that don't seem to check into this thread often (is allhair alive?) in order to make sure everyone has their prospects in order.

708

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 02:35

We may not be able to put them on waivers here. Also can't go over max roster even with commish at espn.

I renounce Doolittle.

709

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 02:56

705, looking at my list of young'ins only Moustakas came from my prospect roster. Pineda, Beachy, Kimbrel and Morrison were all active roster pickups. And I didn't even draft Moustakas! Got him from Species last year in a trade. So I think I need 5 picks just to have a shot at one of them being decent, cuz I can't draft worth a damn anymore. ;)

710

youngroman
ID: 56523304
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 05:24

my prospect keepers:
Julio Teheran
Jesus Montero

my 3rd "prospect", Pedro Alvarez, was already over the limit at the start of the season. this leaves me with a single pick this year.

711

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 07:27

My SP rotation is really weird. Started 4 on Tuesday and 3 on Wednesday and now no one until probably Sunday...

Hopefully some off days by the real teams will readjust that as it leaves closers on the bench!

712

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 09:20

and Moustakous was originally my prospect pick actually, but I moved him cause I also had Evan Longoria and Alex Gordon at the time

713

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 09:42

He was definitely the longest tenured prospect still left, drafted at 9.05. There's 3 taken in the 12th round still around, everyone else is round 15+.

714

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 10:20

Species, Scott Sizemore (Darkside's prospect) is now on Oakland, not Detroit - that's listed twice on the league home page.

715

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 12:18

Yeah, Moustakas was a total throw-in on a deal I can't remember who else was involved....of course this was while Moustakas' stock had fallen dramatically.....I didn't really want him, but took him. Then, the next spring he went off and regained top prospect status, and I had pennies from heaven.

714: if darkside retains Sizemore I will make that correction.

Thanks Guru for mentioning the upcoming Prospect Keeper deadline. Since I knew I was going to be uninvolved, I wasn't paying much attention and it really snuck up on me.

716

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 13:50

Will we get a database or spreadsheet of the taken prospects? The current list on the game site is really hard to read.

717

Toral
ID: 235522516
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 14:42

I believe Moustakas has been peddled around the league almost as many times as Adrian Beltre.

718

Toral
ID: 235522516
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 16:30

I believe Moustakas has been peddled around the league almost as many times as Adrian Beltre.

719

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 20:54

716: No, sorry. The info is there for anyone to compile their own list. I'm not paid enough to be league secretary ;)

720

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 21:02

716 - I think I can provide a list. Wait until Monday, after the dust settles.

721

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 22:58

I was going to say I renounce hellickson, but I see that's already been taken care of... I'm keeping my other two prospects.

722

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 10:04

Tiny clean up to prospect list. Remove the 15.18 from judy.

723

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 15:11

Sorry guys...haven't been that active.

Only keeping Dee Gordon. Gonna throw austin wilson and Lindblom back out to pasture...

724

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 15:53

Keeping both my prospects.

One to pick.

725

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 16:02

Ya know, I'm sittin' here watching my phillies and my buddy Shane Victorino with two singles and a nice triple and all he gets credit for it is three little bitty hits, his OBP.

I REALLY would like to see SLG as a stat so that those guys without the HR power can get credit for their extra bases hits -- I think we a leaving out a key component of winning teams to focus just on the HR. Also we need another % stat to balance out the hitter/pitcher stats.

Just saying...

726

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 21:33

I recommended it before this season started to make that change effective next season.

Had moderate support, but not enough to pass.

Glad it was bought up again in-season. Give managers a chance to see how much it might effect their present teams and possibly reconsider when I propose it again next year.

727

allhair allstars
ID: 22202514
Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 21:42

Renouncing Lyles. One pick for me...

728

Peter N.
ID: 455102919
Fri, Jul 01, 2011, 22:10

I'm against going from HRs to SLG%. This league is going on 9+ years and its part of what makes it enjoyable for me.

729

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 00:43

SLG% was put up for a vote and it failed.

730

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 12:48

Okay everyone -- please check your prospects. I have taken the last renouncements into account, and cleaned up the 15.18 as well (thanks judy).

731

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 13:33

Looks good -- also I have no picks -- gave my #1 to R9.

732

darkside
Achiever
ID: 3590317
Sat, Jul 02, 2011, 22:55

Calling up and renouncing the rights to Scott Sizemore. Also renouncing rights to JP Arencibia, leaving me with Brandon Allen as my only prospect and 2 picks in the draft.

733

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Jul 03, 2011, 00:40

Something I've never seen before in a baseball game. Cameron Maybin at the plate ...

Called Strike. 0-1 count.
Swinging Strike. 0-2 count.
Foul. 0-2 count.
Ball. 1-2 count.
Foul. 1-2 count.
Ball. 2-2 count. Scoreboard says 3-2.
Ball. 3-2 count.

Maybin takes first base after only three balls ... and no one notices. The pitcher. The coaches. The players. The umpires. The TV announcers. The radio announcers. Me. In a post-game interview, and even after watching the video, Maybin still was not sure what happened. He thought there were four balls. A quote from the Mariner's manager ... "I saw the 3-2 count on the scoreboard and I figured I just missed a pitch".

Maybin comes around to score the game's only run in a Padre 1-0 victory.

734

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jul 03, 2011, 15:54

As things stand now, I have the breakdown of teams and their picks for the Prospect Draft as follows:

allhair: 1 pick
bmd: 2 picks
blue hen: 2 picks
darkside: 2 picks
Goatlocker: 1 pick, 1 pick (1st rounder) traded to Toral
Great One: 1 pick
Guru: 1 pick
Jaydog: 1 pick
judy: 1 pick, traded to R9
mjd: 1 pick
Nerfherders: 2 picks
Pete: 1 pick
Ref: 1 pick
R9: 1 pick (of his own)
Yokel: 1 pick
slizz: 2 picks
Species: 3 picks, all 3 traded to R9
Toral: 1 pick
Tosh: 2 picks
youngroman: 1 pick

The order of the P-draft will be the inverse order of the current standings one week before the ASB and will not snake. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order and will not snake. Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. There will be up to 3 rounds.

A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP and has not been on your active roster within one week prior to the draft. They do not need to be in the ESPN player database, but can not be still in high school/college, etc. They need to either be on a pro team, drafted by a team, or a current free agent/professional Japanese or Cuban player.

735

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jul 03, 2011, 15:55

GoatLocker's isn't very clear. I meant to say that he has 2 picks, with 1 pick (his 1st rounder) traded to Toral.

736

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 03, 2011, 16:38

Sheesh SP let me down today -- 3 bombs off of Lee in the 8th and they were clobbered!!!
That Bautista guy seems to be kinda special, no?

737

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Jul 03, 2011, 23:45

I renounces Scheppers.

738

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 04, 2011, 00:58

I am open to trading for more p or s-drafts. I could also consider trading down.

739

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Mon, Jul 04, 2011, 08:34

Bh, can you get the mobile app to show the opposing pitcher for hitters. Maybe it's there and I just can find it.

740

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 04, 2011, 23:17

Standings through Sunday. The P-draft, before the lottery, will be based on the inverse order:

1. Endangered Species 177.5 -0.5
2. Team Mike 170.5 -1
3. Blue Hen 163.5 -3.5
4. beastiemike d 131 +2
5. Team Tosh 127 +0.5
6. Team Nash 121.5 +3.5
7. darkside of the moon 113 -1.5
7. Team Hall 113 +1
9. Toral Blues 109 +0.5
10. Roto Guru 100.5 -4
11. youngroman's Luschen 98.5 +1.5
12. Team Nerfherders 93 +0.5
13. Niner's Niners 89.5 +3
14. Team GoatLocker 87 +2.5
15. Team Sherby 78 -4
16. Slackjawed Yokels 76 -1
17. GO's Gaslight Anthem 72 -0.5
18. allhair allstars 66 -1.5
19. Team mjd 61.5 +2.5
20. Ref Guru

741

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 09:57

Here's a list of players who are still protected as prospects:

Brandon Allen
Yonder Alonso
Tim Beckham
Aroldis Chapman
Lonnie Chisenhall
Michael Choice
Christian Colon
Zack Cox
Yu Darvish
Dee Gordon
Grant Green
Bryce Harper
Aaron Hicks
Eric Hosmer
Desmond Jennings
Casey Kelly
Brett Lawrie
Manny Machado
Shelby Miller
Mike Minor
Jesus Montero
William Myers
Jarrod Parker
Martin Perez
Drew Pomeranz
Stephen Strasburg
Michael Taylor
Julio Teheran
Mike Trout
Josh Vitters

742

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 10:35

Running the lottery now...

743

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 10:37

lottery winner is....Ref!!!

I like it!!!

744

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 10:38

2nd pick is Allhair.

745

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 10:39

3rd pick is Yokel.

746

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 10:54

Results confirmed

747

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 11:13

How many teams were in the lottery running? Is it the bottom 7?

Just curious, cuz my squad managed to gain 24 pts in the 6 days before the drawing deadline, going from 18th to 13th. Why couldn't they have done that the two years I lost 1st place in the last week?!? ;)

748

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 11:34

R9, don't you know that people tank immediately before the p-draft to jockey for position? Why else do you think I'm in third place, not first?

I'm excited for this p-draft - things look a little deeper than they have in the past.

749

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 11:34

Bottom 14 teams were in the lottery.

750

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 12:00

748, In all fairness, I did my best. ;) I ran Javy Vazquez out there twice, one @Tex!

I found last year's pretty deep too. There may be a correlation between how deep you think the draft is and how much study you put in to it, though. I've certainly put more thought into last year and this, then I did when I was picking only once late in the 1st round...

751

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 16:06

My trade for Belt with BH includes 2012 supplimental draft picks.

He gets my 4th, I get his 14th.

752

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 16:11

Confirmed. My compliments to MJD - he was very easy to work with and we went back and forth a bunch to get this done. Belt's going to be awesome - sad to see him go.

753

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 00:13

Does anyone else realize that species is only 18.5 points away from perfection -- the golden 200??

Holy mackerel!

754

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 00:24

Merely a temporary season high, judy. At this moment I am .004 ahead of BMD in ERA (with Verlander and Felix still dealing) and the slimmest of leads in R, HR, SB, OBP and will certainly give up a point or two in K and W before the year is out due to my pace.

Still, I like my chances to stick in the 174+ point range through the rest of the year. It's up to you and hen to eclipse that.

755

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 00:31

Didn't Twarpy finish the year with 180+ the season he ran away with it?

Wow does Hen's ERA ever suck. And yet, I remember when a sub 4.00 ERA was easily a top 5 score.

756

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 00:32

Effin League. Another blown win for King Felix.

757

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 10:28

Man, I just can't seem to find enough pitching. Still looking to deal some package of Choo/Kemp/Konerko/closer/prospect pick for an ace. Inquire within.

758

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 13:32

Try Cliff Lee

759

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 14:24

Sorry, but Cliff is very happy where he is in the home/team of a diehard Phillies Phan:)

760

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 15:00

Now wait just a minute - I hope you're not calling me NOT a Phillies fan...

761

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 16:03

I've been a phillies phan far longer than you for sure...

762

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 17:40

That's irrelevant. You've been a lot of things (including a person) longer than me. And I've definitely been a Cliff Lee fan longer than you.

Either way, you're ahead of me in G20, and that's what really matters. Hopefully I can do something about that soon.

763

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 03:59

LOL. From a blue hen email this off-season during some Lee trade talks:

"I am NOT a Cliff Lee fan."

I'm pretty sure Judy has been a Lee fan for more then 4-5 months. :p

764

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 11:02

Heh, I guess I don't have a good answer to that. But back in 2005, several buddies and I were real big on the Cliff Lee bandwagon. Of course, we were also on the Oliver Perez, Brad Lidge, and Mark Prior bandwagons.

765

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 11:40

Hey Commish - can you update the league home page with my newly acquired 4th rounder?

766

Peter N.
ID: 35622720
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 21:23

I guess Freddie Freeman heard that I had him on the trading block, lol.

767

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 08:09

Calling up Trout for 1st time.

You better not get 300 AB's this year, you hear me Mike? Do ya?!

768

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Jul 09, 2011, 07:28

an -- what's with Wilson these days -- 3 BS in the past week or so...I don't need that!

769

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Jul 09, 2011, 14:20

I won't be around for at least some of the draft. I will send in my queue since I am the first pick. I am still willing to trade down if someone sees a prospect they want.

After the freeze tomorrow, you may not pick up any player who is prospect eligible. You may not pick up anyone who was just drafted until after the pdraft is over (prob not in db anyhow) and if you have had a player on your roster in the last week, you may not draft that player as a prospect.

770

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Jul 10, 2011, 10:27

btw, I am interested in trading for picks as well.

771

Ref
ID: 106141018
Sun, Jul 10, 2011, 19:14

I am getting Interest in my top pick but no one has offered their picks yet. Really need to rebuild and I have a few players who could help.

772

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 10, 2011, 23:21

Howze this for a crappy batter (certainly cannot call them HITTERS) day:
0 runs, 0 HR, 0 RBI, but a steal!!

Did get a W and a SV though, and 12K so all is not lost...

773

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jul 10, 2011, 23:46

I created the Prospect Draft grid but can't post it. Sent it to several people....I'm sure one will post it by the morning.

The draft will start tomorrow at 12:00pm ET. There is a 3 hour time limit per pick.

774

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 01:32

I sent my first pick to species to post for me when he starts the draft. I'll be away until the late afternoon/ early evening but if you need me, send me an email. Still wanting to trade for more prospect picks.

775

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 09:55

Pick Round 1
1 Ref
2 allhair
3 Yokel
4 mjd
5 Great One
6 slizz
7 Toral
8 R9
9 nerfherders
10 youngroman
11 Guru
12 Toral
13 Jaydog
14 darkside
15 Peter N
16 Tosh
17 bmd
18 blue hen
19 R9
20 R9

Pick Round 2
1 Ref
2 slizz
3 GoatLocker
4 nerfherders
5 darkside
6 Tosh
7 bmd
8 blue hen
9 R9

Pick Round 3
1 R9

Will post this in the draft thread in the leagues & standings forum as well.

776

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 10:16

Prospect draft thread

777

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 11:11

Remember it is round 21-23.

778

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Jul 11, 2011, 20:56

Goldschmidt is on my roster Slizz. Do I wait for him to fix, or pick now?

779

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 00:15

Moore is on GO's roster Nerf.

780

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 00:23

Hmm? Why would Moore be on anyone's roster? He's in AA. That's kinda cheesy.

781

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 11:20

Most top prospects that aren't on a prospect roster usually get picked up sometime during the season. Species has Banuelos, I got Goldy, GO has Moore...

It becomes a tradeoff between keeping them in your 9 keepers, or hoping you can grab them as a prospect.

782

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:22

After this draft, I'd be open to discussing rules that discourage that behavior; it really takes away from the prospect draft, which is currently the shining star of G20. Maybe something like if you add a prospect-eligible player after June 1, you have to keep them on your roster until September 1. Or something similar.

783

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:22

Also, I think Pete times out at 12:51- not sure why Jaydog posted a second time.

784

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:46

While I'm fine with a rule like that, all of the guys in question (Goldy, Moore and Banuelos) were on active rosters since late April/early May. So it wouldn't change anything.

My position is that:
1) If you don't want prospect-eligible players being picked up before the p-draft, the p-draft needs to take place in the off-season, maybe even before the regular draft.

2) If we want to keep the p-draft at the ASB, I really don't see how you can limit prospect pickups. Any rule you create will either be unfair (deny ALL minor leaguer pickups, and the criteria for how to pick up guys who get MLB callups becomes arbitrary and impossible to enforce) or not strong enough to stop the pickups (your proposal for example).

GO picked up Moore in April because he was a top 5 prospect with awesome value. Who willingly leaves awesome value on the WW for other people to pick up?

The only other solution I can think of to reduce minors pickups is to expand the size of the p-draft, which would make it more likely that top prospects are drafted in prior years. Moore probably gets drafted last summer if we all have, say, 10 picks.
I'm pretty sure the majority would be against such large expansion of the p-draft (possibly even me) so I'm not advocating for it... just pointing out why guys like Moore were still around in April 2011.

785

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:51

No sweat...I knew he was close to a call-up so he just beat me to it. I honestly didn't think anyone would pick him up.

Nevertheless, I would like to add on to the point BH was making:

If you pickup a player who has never played in the majors...not even for a cup of coffee, you should be required to hold on to them until September 1st.

If they don't get called up during the season, even for a cup of coffee, you would be required to keep them as part of your 9 man roster going into the next season. It would certainly serve as a deterrent to prevent guys who never played in the majors from being stashed on squads rather than through the prospect draft...

In the case of a guy like Goldschmidt, who undoubtedly will be called up sometime this year to relieve Miranda, R9 would have the option of keeping him or dumping him at the end of the season.

Just knocking ideas around...

786

Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:52

I drafted Banuelos.

I also traded Moore to GO....he didn't get him off of waivers.

Just sayin' :)

I would support some kind of rule that makes a team "pay the price" of roster space for some minimum time if they pick up a p-draft eligible prospect....as bh suggests. But I would VEHEMENTLY oppose a rule that doesn't allow teams to pick up p-draft eligible players. No way, no how.

787

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:53

I really don't even have intention to keep Moore or thought to keep him rostered to circumvent this draft etc. He was just a throw in a deal with Species and I've always had someone worse to drop so he keeps hanging on my roster. If anyone wants him for a decent non-keeper SP I'd do the deal. He might make a nice last keeper for somebody and his K #'s are off the charts. And he obviously impressed in the Futures game as many of us saw.

788

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:55

I don't mind stashing. If you hold onto a guy for most of a season, fine. I'm just talking about guys in the minors who got picked up in late June, thinning out the prospect draft, who get dropped in late July. If I didn't have any prospect picks this year, that would be an excellent strategy, to keep my opponents from getting prospect value, especially if I'm one of the 17 teams not competing. I'm looking for a way to ensure the prospect draft always has meaning, since (to me, at least), that's the best part of this league.

789

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:58

in the case of Moore...he will most certainly be called up for a cup of coffee this year and is absolutely tearing up the minor leagues.

Don't think i'm directing my last post at you GO. I'm just saying in general. I agree with R9 that he saw value in a guy like Moore versus the Orlando Cabrera's of the world.

790

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 12:59

I'm not one to advocate rules changes since I'm the new guy. I just found it odd that AA players would be on someone's active roster.

I wouldn't have even considered that, since my bench is full of starting pitchers that get me to the IP cap, and DL starting hitters that I couldn't possibly drop. At least twice this year I've had to drop a good hitter because I had 3 bench slots for hitters and 4 DL'd hitters.

791

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 13:05

I like Slizz's proposal. Since we already have a do-not-pickup list that is monitored by one of Guru's programs, would it be possible to have a do-not-drop list that works the same way?

That way we could easily enforce a rule that if you pickup a player who has never played a MLB game, you can't drop him until he does. Thus, a prospect stashed on a roster who never sniffs MLB this season, will still be on their roster at the end of the year, and that would allow:

If they don't get called up during the season, even for a cup of coffee, you would be required to keep them as part of your 9 man roster going into the next season.

Because I agree with both:
1) Rebuilding clubs being able to stash young guys with the intention of keeping them.
2) Picking up young guys before the p-draft only to drop them in August circumvents the p-draft, even if unintentionally.

792

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 13:10

The Roberts trade with Species has me getting his 8th round pick and him getting my 10th round pick.

793

Toral
ID: 396501119
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 13:48

1. I have played in a league with a rule that prospect-eligible players could not be picked up until the prospect draft. It became very unpopular. You might be surprised how many "prospect-eligible players" who are not prospects get called up to teams during the season. Managers were constantly being told that they have to drop someone and they would say, "WHAT? This 31-year-old guy no-one has ever heard of is now playing first base on a good offence for a month because of an injury ...and I can't pick him up to protect the integrity of the prospect draft?" The rule eventually led to the p-draft being moved to before the season, whuch I STRONGLY oppose.

2. Slizz's proposal is perhaps a little strong for me, but I could support requiring a no-MLB-appearance pickup to be held for the rest of the season, NOT that he has to be kept going into the next year. This at least gives holding the p-prospect a cost, which would deter a bit and make the early pickups a deliberative strategy, rather than something you can do just for the Hell of it and drop the month after if you change your mind.

794

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 14:23

Its absolutely rigid, but all the prospect would need is an AB, a pitch, etc.

As long as they have participation in a MLB game that would automatically qualify them to be at the teams discretion at the end of the season.

To me, it makes teams think twice about picking up certain individuals.

795

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 14:33

I'm not sure what a good solution is and I had Moore and Goldy on my short list for this draft, but the point is that both those guys could have been drafted as prospects after their rule 4 drafts, but were not. They were later picks with little or no hype who went through the low minor league system before they finally developed into legit prospects.

Look at any MLB roster and you'll find good players, even star players, that were drafted in the 20-somethingth round of the amateur draft out of high school and just took some time to develop as they moved up the minor league chain.

Just as not all big hype, high drafted prospects develop, many unhyped later drafted players do.

Yeah, I'm not crazy about it either and don't know what's a good solution, but my point is that all of these prospect eligible players on rosters were at one time only eligible to be drafted in the prospect draft, but for whatever reason were not. Late bloomers.

797

Toral
ID: 396501119
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 14:46

794 It also gives an awful big premium to managers who can guess right on whether an organization is going to make Septermber callups or not.

798

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 14:47

Can a commish update the info in 671 onto the league page? Pick trading is getting confusing.
Thanks.

799

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 14:49

I'm 100% against forcing a team to keep a prospect if he doesn't get called up. That would really hamper the rebuilding teams.

Nobody has abused the rules so I don't think a change is necessary.

800

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 14:50

Nice trade species...

801

R9
ID: 2854239
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 15:29

799, it also doesn't take into account season-ending injuries. Forcing someone to keep a TJS pitching prospect among their 9 is rather silly. So in retrospect, I agree that it is too harsh.

802

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 11:29

Judy did you ever find that player you were looking for? This prospect draft has made me realize that the ESPN database is quite good (although it doesn't appear to have Milone or Cron).

803

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 11:50

798: ok, I added recent trades to the League Page. If you have made a trade that I missed, please post it here.

Good luck to all teams in the second half.

The KRod trade = good for me. Probably means I can catch Ref in saves :)

804

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 14:25

802 no I never did find him but them someone else picked him up... hUH?

It was 1B Rizzo from SD. I guess I just couldn't find him at the time although I thought I looked....

805

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 14:59

Judy, we just confirmed that he was in the database all season and all of last season too. You must have just overlooked him. That's about as much as I can offer.

806

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 15:28

804: if your search defaults to available, he wouldn't have shown up in your search, as he had been picked up by a team a while ago.

807

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 15:52

Slizz had Rizzo in April and into May and let him go, I then scooped him up in May and wound up trading him back to him when he got called up.

So he's more or less been rostered since late April.

808

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 16:07

I usually just put the name in the search box in the top right of any page, and let the names pop up. It says right there if the guy is a FA or on a team.

809

R9
ID: 2854239
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 16:07

Does anyone have the prospect draft results from the first 3 years? (2004, 05 and 06?)

810

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 16:47

Here's hoping Heath Bell is the next closer to get traded. I was hoping to catch up to 2nd place in saves with Bastardo, but somehow the second place guy got some more saves as well.

Still, saves are looking good next year if Adams stays and Papelbon moves on.

812

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 17:19

yeah -- that's probably what happened. Never thought to use the box in the top right...

813

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 17:25

nerf -- I see reports that philly is looking at him -- I have no idea why unless it would be as a set up man -- I think our Pigs Pen is in pretty good shape except that the young 'uns Bastardo and Stutes have never had this many IP. Perez is a crazy one -- 9 P, 3 K's the other night -- weird delivery and follow through. Herndon has been roughed up lately but I think he is a Rule 5 and so we have to keep him up here...?

Madson will be back this weekend, Contrares is done, Lidge is doing fine with AA batters and is expected back but would not be put into pressure situations...The SP concern is can Worley maintain and what's up with Blanton's arm as it is not getting better. Kendrick is just a filler and long man.

814

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 17:26

I am also planning on moving up in SV with Wilson, Madson and Farnsworth so it looks like a race of sorts....game on!

815

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 17:37

Actually, I did catch up to 2nd place, now tied for last place. Huzzah!

816

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jul 13, 2011, 21:19

Nerf,

yeah, but we are all in your dust trail in AAA PCL RIBC...

and I am in the bottom there so I guess all's fair!

817

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 14, 2011, 13:48

(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups), *not in db
Allhair: 15.06 Desmond Jennings,OF,TB; 18.11 Grant Green,SS,OAK; 21.02 Jameson Taillon,PIT,P
bmd: 15.14 Michael Taylor,OF,OAK; 21.17 CJ Cron,1B,LAA; 22.07 Tim Wheeler,OF,COL
Blue Hen: 18.19 Eric Hosmer,1B,KC; 21.18 Dellin Betances,P,NYY; 22.08 Arodys Vizcaino,P,ATL
Darkside: 19.07 Brandon Allen,1B,AZ; 21.14 Tom Milone,P,WAS; 22.05 Alex White,P,CLE
GoatLocker: 12.08 Yu Darvish,P,JAP*; Zach Lee,P,LAD
Great One: 17.03 Casey Kelly,P,BOS; 19.08 Shelby Miller,SP,StL; 21.05 Gerrit Cole,P,PIT
Guru: 18.10 Christian Colon, SS, KC; 19.05 Lonnie Chisenhall,3B,CLE; 21.11 Devin Mesoraco,C,CIN
Jaydog: 15.09 Jarrod Parker,P,ARI; 18.18 Aaron Hicks,OF,MIN; 21.13 Miguel Sano,SS,MIN
Judy: 12.07 Yonder Alonso,1B,Cin; 18.08 Michael Choice,OF,OAK*
mjd: 12.18 Tim Beckham,SS,TB; 18.07 Zack Cox,3B,STL ; 21.04 Trayvon Robinson,OF,LAD
Nerfherders: 15.03 Albertin Aroldis Chapman,P,CIN; 21.09 Jacob Turner,P,DET; 22.04 Nolan Arenado,3B,COL
Peter N: 15.16 Josh Vitters,3B,CHC; 17.02; 18.04 Martin Perez,P,TEX; 21.15 Jonathan Singleton,OF,PHI
Ref: 15.01 Stephen Strasburg,P,WAS(2); 21.01 Anthony Rendon,3B,WAS; 22.01 Trevor Bauer,P,AZ
R9: 18.02 Mike Trout,OF,LAA; 18.17 Mike Minor,SP,ATL(2); 21.08 Carlos Martinez,P,STL; 21.19 Nick Franklin,SS,SEA; 21.20 Hak-Ju Lee,SS,TB; 22.09 Anthony Gose,OF,TOR; 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL
SlackYokel: 18.01 Bryce Harper,OF,Was; 19.04 Drew Pomeranz,SP,CLE; 21.03 Jason Kipnis,2B,CLE
Slizz: 16.03 Devaris "Dee" Gordon,SS,LAD; 21.06 Bubba Starling,OF,KC; 22.02 Tyler Skaggs,P,AZ
Species:
Toral: 18.05 William Myers,C,KC; 19.01 Brett Lawrie,2B,MIL; 21.07 Jurickson Profar,SS,TEX; 21.12 Jake Odorizzi,P,KC
Tosh: 18.06 Manny Machado,SS,Bal; 21.16 Danny Hultzen,P,SEA; 22.06 Mike Montgomery,P,KC
youngroman: 15.08 Jesus Montero,C,NYY; 18.09 Julio Teheran,P,ATL; 21.10 Brett Jackson,OF,CHC

818

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 14, 2011, 13:52

I haven't added * to the new players drafted as pretty much all of them would have one. Usually update that before the s draft takes place next season. That * was mainly for the CBS salaried players anyhow--so not sure how much that is needed anymore. Guru has updated his prospect program.

The A/B list has not been updated. How much does this help?

819

blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jul 14, 2011, 14:23

Thanks for putting that together Ref.

820

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Jul 14, 2011, 20:01

Zach Lee's Pick # is 22.03
Sorry I forgot it.

821

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 15, 2011, 18:07

Now THAT'S the Dempster we all know and love -- especially me!

822

Toral
ID: 396501119
Fri, Jul 15, 2011, 21:45

Brandon Allen is a prospect owned by Darkside, isn't he?

823

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 02:24

Had no clue Allen was a prospect. Can I just get Overbay put back on my roster? I messed it up as it was because I wanted Allen as a 1B and he doesnt qualify there yet.

824

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 11:38

NICE effin' trade, Yokel and GO!!

825

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 14:50

It was hard for me to give up Lincecum as I've always had him. He was a prospect pick for me like five years ago. But GO's lure of 2-3 keepers was too much.

826

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 19:23

That was a juicy offer. If Cruz can ever stay effin' healthy, he's a real beast. Brown is doing pretty well so far and looks ready for prime time in 2012 and beyond. He's certainly selling high on Jurrjens, but if he keeps it up and stays healthy, this is a pretty sweet trade for Yokel, while at the same time leveraging GO's assets well for that top-5 SP stud.

827

R9
ID: 2854239
Sat, Jul 16, 2011, 20:26

I turned down something similar for Pineda, so I'm either crazy, GO is. Or maybe Yokel. Or maybe all 3 of us are.

But yeah, nice trade guys. ;)

828

Great One
ID: 35521016
Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 11:00

I'm the crazy one, thats been confirmed by many other trades I've made :0

829

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 14:31

Gotta love the midseason in Fantasy Baseball. The top 3 all dealing with some major injuries and dings/dents:

A-Rod for me
Victorino and Polanco for Judy
Braun, Choo, Sanchez, Putz and Joey Bats for hen.

That's a lot of firepower out for hen....hopefully for him it's just a few days on Bautista and Braun. Or else.......yeeesh!

830

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 18:28

I think I am the luckiest -- shane is due back Tuesday and polanco has been crappy for a month -- he's gonna have to prove his worth to me...

Game on!!

831

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 18:35

Melky Cabrera in a Phillies uni?? I LiKE that!!

832

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Jul 17, 2011, 20:14

The last week without the two best hitters in baseball has been tough, but I managed not to lose any ground. Hudson was great today and hopefully the others can put something together.

833

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Jul 18, 2011, 11:03

Still looking for some pitching - wish I'd known Lincecum was on the market.

834

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Jul 18, 2011, 12:25

The Rockies are shopping Ubaldo...

835

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Jul 18, 2011, 16:05

Ubaldo is overrated.

For you teams looking to next year, I have to put Shin Soo Choo on the table. Obviously, he's been a great performer the last couple years, but he's hurt now and I'd rather get the value this year than next year. Any takers?

836

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jul 18, 2011, 16:29

For any keeper who is hurt right now, I might be interested. Depends on position, obviously. Also, I have some players that are marginal keepers I can deal. Some non keepers I can deal. Any chance to upgrade my team will be taken into consideration. Unlikely to deal Hanley, Wainwright or Strasburg though.

837

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 12:50

Bh,

That was a JOKE!

838

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 15:44

Some good offers for pitchers - thanks for your thoughtfulness. Still trying to find one that fits. Keep em coming.

839

mjd
ID: 23652139
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 23:13

Agreed to a trade with Judy, but something is wrong on my end. She can propose it, but even though I see it on my transactions page, I cannot see where to accept it. No email, no nothing.

When I try to propose it, there are no trade check boxes next to my players to fill out who I'm trading.

Here's the trade:

mjd trades Michael Young and his 2012 14th round pick via blue hen (Belt)

Judy trades Casey Kotchman and her 2012 9th round pick via R9 (C Lee).

840

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 23:18

Confirmed -- hopefully somebody in espn land can send it through channels. It is listed on me team page as pending but like mjd, no email fo rhim to accept.

Would like to use the new guy ASAP. So backdating to tonight would be appreciated.

841

mjd
ID: 23652139
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 01:39

Was finally able to send the offer, but Judy won't see it until the AM.

Because there were trade check boxes on the first page (like Yahoo), I wrongly assumed they'd also be on the next page. Instead there are semi-obvious drop down boxes on the other side of the players. But it's further confusing because they are labeled "active" and "bench" (similar to the way we set up the football rosters in CBS) and drop down to "drop" or "trade". I don't remember it being that confusing. I guess I play in a bunch of Yahoo leagues and am used to that way.

That still does not explain why I never got notification when Judy sent the first offer. I get email from ESPN regularly so it's not blocked.

842

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 07:38

Yeah but I did do it all as was asked and my offer never went anywhere except on each of our team pages???? No email, no notice on league page...

Seems to be OK now -- I'll have him for the weekend.

843

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 09:47

Interesting trade. In completely unrelated news, someone picked Kotchman up off the waiver wire this morning in Dirty Dozen. Good timing.

844

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 10:33

Yeah, Kotchman has been a good back up for when Moreland sits or when the match up favors him over Moreland. Nice OBP. I needed more RBI's.

845

mjd
ID: 23652139
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 13:51

Michael Young was one of the last remaining players from the team I took over a few years ago. Now as a rebuilding team, he no longer fits my team. And after trading for Belt, he's the odd man out for a keeper slot. Been holding him for 2 years now in an attempt to trade him to a contender. Offered him to bh a couple of times. Species pulled off the Roberts deal after ARod DL'ed so fast that I missed the boat there.

Pitched the idea to Judy, as a fill in for the sore backed Polanco a few days ago. I know that she's already traded several 2012 high picks, so we woked a low level deal with Kotchman (insurance for Belt this year) and upgraded one of my last round picks.

I'm just happy to get something for him and Young's steady play should provide Judy with reliable multi-position depth in her push for the championship.

I give her a lot of credit for making out on a few interesting deals in the past and now doing what it takes in an attempt to capitalize on her opportunity.

846

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 15:39

traded draft picks posted.

I still have some nice players who can help the top teams.

847

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 15:45

For the record, if I'd had Kotchman on my team (which I did a couple months ago), I'd have traded him for Michael Young too.

848

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 16:18

hey, I had Kotchman too I think I dropped him... although he is second in the league in hitting behind Adrian which is interesting

849

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 16:19

I think I put him in the Putz/Miller trade since I had to drop someone.

850

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 17:32

Minor correction:

6-28-11 bmd receives judy's 5th rounder for her 12th (Farnsworth)

It should he HIS 12th.

851

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 18:09

HA! Looks like BMD tricked Judy into giving him two picks for none!

852

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 18:22

Uh oh
CarGo left today's game grabbing his wrist after an AB... He did hit a HR first though. I really need him to step up.

853

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 19:09

Here's a little exercise for you -- I am "stuck" indoors due to a 107 heat index in Philly, although I did ref a lacrosse doubleheader last night.

Compare your ERA and OBP numbers -- ignoring the decimal point of course. Are they similar? How are they trending? Where are your hopes they will be in September?

Here are mine:
OBP = .3456. ERA = 3.534

I would like the OBP to be above .3500 and it was for a bit after the ASB. For the ERA, I would prefer below 3.400 where it was before Dempster and a a few others blew it up a bit.

Any thoughts?

854

mjd
ID: 23652139
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 19:45

This will be the ssecond or third time Kotchman will be on my roster this year, so he's made a few trips to and from the waver wire.

855

Bh
ID: 426111516
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 19:51

No picks included in my trade with Pete.

856

Peter N.
ID: 35622720
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 19:53

Confirmed. The race for 1st just became a little more interesting. Meanwhile, I still plan on competing to stay in the money.

857

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 19:56

Interesting trade. Bh certainly will have decisions to make about his 2012 keepers, but I suspect that his focus is this year.

Hopefully his ERA and WHIP are too far gone to be "fixed" by Beckett...

858

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 12:20

Still looking for some more action.

Two chips I'm looking to move are Paul Konerko (he's awesome but I have Hosmer waiting and can't improve much in hitting), and Wilson Ramos (good prospect but I have too many keepers).

If you have any interest in those two, please let me know.

859

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 15:07

Bh is on a giveaway spree!! Line up for future batter keepers.

860

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 15:52

iPad ESPN issues.

All of a sudden I cannot access my team in G20. Nor can I sign in to ESPN. It was fine this morning but now it treats me like an outsider and I cannot make changes. I had to go onto my main computer to do it and I was fine there, but I use the iPad almost exclusively. Any thoughts as to how to fix this or what is happening?

861

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 16:06

Never mind -- finally got in via main ESPN page and I'm an insider as well. Not sure what happened...

862

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 18:32

C**p -- cargo on the 15 day DL

Good thing I got Young, but the rest of my team also needs to step it up in the counting stats!!!

863

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sat, Jul 23, 2011, 00:37

Berkman is available to the best offer.
Draft picks / prospects.

864

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 23, 2011, 08:09

Last night:
14 R, 3 HR, 12 RBI
Works for me!
Way to go boys!!!

865

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Jul 23, 2011, 23:19

Ah the vagaries of baseball.. Tonight 1 R and 1 RBI...

866

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jul 23, 2011, 23:22

I'm getting my ass kicked lately. Bleeding badly. 1st place soon to be lost. ugh.

867

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Jul 24, 2011, 12:45

Pretty incredible that at the start of play today only 1 point separates the top three teams. It will be a race to the finish and there is no clue how it will end.

868

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 11:37

Man, I have no idea who's going to win this thing. But my money is on Tosh for 4th.

869

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 12:11

I sure hope it does not come down to one stat. A friend lost a spot in RIBC one season due to one less stolen base...

870

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 15:18

That's nothing - I lost a football semifinal matchup four days after it ended because they took two yards away from someone, retroactively.

Hopefully I'll be so far ahead of Judy and Species that they'll give up by late August.

871

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 15:40

After watching the mets collapse and the phillies surge a few years ago, don't go counting chickens just yet!!
It ain't over 'til it's over.

872

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 18:36

Seeing that my goal at the start of the season was to finish better than 4th from last ... the prediction from BlueHen of me finishing 4th is still unexpected.

873

Peter N
ID: 156532618
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 19:53

Hey Tosh, don't let the Beckett trade fool you. I'm going to give you a run for your money on that 4th place spot! :-)

874

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 12:42

I am gonna miss McCann Now both he and CarGo are on the DL.

875

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 16:48

What a lame trade by the Cardinals.....really? That is the best you can do for Rasmus? bmd cannot like this.

876

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 17:04

Yeah, that was almost worse than nothing. Edwin Jackson has a really interesting career path.

877

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 19:47

And there are only two ways the Giants don't look like schmucks if they did indeed trade Zach Wheeler for Beltran:

1 - They know something scouts and prospect followers don't and Wheeler turns into another Tim Alderson;

2 - Beltran leads them to another World Series title

I'd settle for the latter

878

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 10:41

Actually, I don't mind it so much. Beltran fills a specific, serious need for the team. The playoffs are a crapshoot, but this certainly makes them a better team and better positioned to compete in the playoffs. Beltran is underrated - he hits but he also fields quite well. And he has seen huge levels of success in the playoffs (although not against Adam Wainwright). And if he's a Type A free agent, that gives the Giants some good draft picks when he leaves.

Wheeler, of course, is a great prospect, but you just never know with pitching prospects. And I don't think he was even taken in our prospect draft, so he's not some special prospect that should never have been traded.

If I'm the Giants, this is exactly the type of move I should be making.

879

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 10:55

I lied:

Beltran's contract includes a clause forbidding his team from offering him arbitration, meaning that the Giants can't get any draft picks for him if and when he departs as a free agent. San Francisco gave up six years of control of Zack Wheeler for about 60 games of Carlos Beltran. If Wheeler sees the big leagues at all, the deal will probably end up a losing one for the Giants.

880

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 13:16

Precisely. The lack of draft pick compensation and Beltran's hefty pricetag left the Mets in a bad situation with little leverage. Beltran is literally a 2-month rental.....and teams were very justified in not lining up to give legit prospects to the Mets.

This was a poker game, and Sabean called Alderson's bluff. If he had the cajones to hold off, MAYBE he could've gotten Beltran cheaper....but I think he saw ATL lose McCann and worried that the Braves would pony up Minor (which I would've done), so Sabean probably felt discretion was the better part of valor and pulled out the trump card to take the deal off the table right then and there.

I do admire Sabean's gumption and willingnes to take the risk.....Beltran was THE bat SF needed.

881

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 19:43

Allhair

Desmond Jennings? Hot, hot, hot...

882

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 20:03

I of course don't like the Rasmus deal. 3 cheap years for a very serviceable outfielder with really good upside sounds like a no lose situation. Unfortunately management nut hugs Tony Larussa. I'm hoping Pujols leaves so TLR will finally leave the Cardinals.

883

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 21:33

I'm hoping Pujols leaves too, but only because I want Adams to take over at 1B next year after they wiff on Fielder in FA. ;)

884

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 22:42

Well if Pujols walks I highly doubt they'd pony up for Fielder since he'd cost about the same and Pujols would bring in much more revenue.

Doubt you'll be seeing Adams anytime before the AS break next year. If Pujols walks then they'll probably resign Berkman. Of course, if Cards are competing next year they might just trade Shelby Miller and Adams away for Jon Garland and Mike Cameron so they can win the division ;)

885

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 23:36

so who do you think gets Pujols? just askin'...

Fielder too while you're at it!

886

Bh
ID: 426111516
Thu, Jul 28, 2011, 23:51

Fielder is a bit younger than Pujols and marketing right, that can be a huge move. I'd love to see the Pirates or A's make a run at one.

On Jennings, he's been great but I had no idea he was that good.

887

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 01:23

Well a lot Cards fans will be super pissed if/when Pujols signs somewhere else. From a fans perspective, when you've invested 10+ years into a guy you can't just replace him with a slightly younger version of himself even if it's better for the team. I don't envy dads having to tell their 10 year old son that Pujols just signed with the Cubs. That would just be crushing to a lot of youngsters.

888

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 21:39

WOW

Philly gets BOTH Asamugha (?) AND Pence on the same day!

WOW!!

889

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 20:15

My Mike Adams plan is completely shot down now, for this year and next. I would have never expected SD to trade Adams but not Bell. Very strange.

890

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 20:49

Really weird, thought the same thing.
And killed my Mike Adams plan in RIBC AA

891

R9
ID: 2854239
Sun, Jul 31, 2011, 22:11

Adams might still close next year if Texas moves Feliz back to the rotation...

892

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 09:35

Bh
What are the chances of getting a sort function on the "type" column in the players section?

It would be really nice know who has what players without having to individually open up each persons team page. I am pretty sure that CBS has that function -- so you could see who was overloaded on what positions -- for trade offers and such.

893

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:00

If you're looking for overloaded, can't you just look at each roster?

894

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:01

I agree with Judy, I made great use of the CBS roster grid. Easier to target trades.

895

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:09

893

That's what I am trying to avoid -- clicking 18 times or more to do the comparisons. I am using paper and pencil (so stone age) to do the side by side comparisons of players on different G20 teams! It's a pain.

896

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:40

Ah, got it. I'll ask.

By the way, were there any draft picks in the Berkman deal?

897

Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 11:47

GoatLocker received my 7th for his 10th in the Berkman trade.

898

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 12:01

Nice. Personally, I think Cliff could have gotten more (remember, he has to use a keeper slot on Banuelos), but I can imagine that there were only two teams with any interest in Berkman, which hampered him.

899

Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 12:06

I agree......when there are no bidders (ONE bidder?) In the market, you can't necessarily extract the best price.

I look at it as rental-for-rental: I'm renting a bat for 2 months....he is renting 7 months of time to see if Banuelos will make the Yankee rotation next year. If he does, he's done well.

900

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 14:22

League voting for winner:

After this latest trade, Species just got his 10th vote. Judy and bh are tied with one -- I think we each voted for ourselves. :)

901

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 15:08

Does Species have any 2012 picks left? He's really going for it, and he's doing a great job too.

Can we get a new poll going? Like who's going to get 4th?

902

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 17:56

He's got tons of picks left:
1, 4, 5, 6, 3x10, etc

903

Toral
ID: 5464267
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 18:03

Does ESPN add players to its database at this stage of the season, aside from players called up to the ML and actually playing?

904

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 18:04

That's not bad. He'll have 9 good keepers and 4 of his first six picks. He's made a lot of moves, so I thought it was worse.

905

Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 18:13

902: hahahahaha...that's right. I have ALL of my picks....they're just all in the 10th round or later!

906

Peter N
ID: 156532618
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 19:40

Yeah, I tried to get a pick out of BH in our trade but once he said no and was willing to do straightup, I jumped at it. I have some young arms in my staff and perez for a prospect so Beckett longterm didn't make sense it all. It makes it hard though when there are only a few teams out there contending for the title.

907

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 23:30

901

The way my team is tanking, it might be me for 4th. It's been UGLY.

908

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 23:31

Anybody got a SP for some draft picks??

909

Bh
ID: 426111516
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 00:36

I should have held out on Pete longer, but there were no arms comparable to Beckett around, with one exception that was going to set back my hitting a LOT.

910

Nerfherders
ID: 14382210
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 15:31

Judy - I have SP but you're not gonna like 'em. ;)

911

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 16:13

Are they mets???

912

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 16:30

trade announcement (for some reason ESPN is not posting in except on my team page -- same problem mjd and I had a few weeks ago -- what's up with that, bh)

Judy Gets Jeff Niemann and GO 12th
GO gets Judys 7th

913

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 16:33

Nice. I had Niemann up until about two weeks ago and he suddenly was worth a 7th rounder. Wish I'd known. I think I dropped him for Holland, so I'm ok with that.

914

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 16:36

oops -- GO wants Capuano -- how do we fix that?? cancel trade and redo or what?

915

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 16:37

You definitely let go at the wrong time --

Another outstanding job by Niemann who has been unbelievable since coming off the DL in late June. Since returning, he is 4-0 with a 1.88 ERA, lowering his overall ERA to 3.51. Over his last three starts he has a 0.87 ERA with 25 strikeouts

916

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 16:39

Yeah, if they could veto that one, we'll just do it over. Thought she threw her drop in there when she accepted.

917

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 16:58

Wait it's Capuano for a 7th? Come on!

918

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 17:01

no it's

Niemann + 12 = Capuano +7

919

blue hen
ID: 1631810
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 17:53

Oh, so now Niemann's worth a 7th AND a player? Wow. I had this guy like 2 weeks ago.

920

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 17:57

Bh --

ya gotta move while the iron is hot, hot, hot!

Revised:

Neumann + 11 = capuano + 7

921

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 23:29

Can a commish fix this trade?

Thanks.

Judy and GO

922

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 00:19

Trade cancelled.

Repropose.

923

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 08:47

Done. Thanks.

924

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 08:50

And done.

925

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 19:54

Trade announcement:

Judy gets vogelsong from mjd.
Swap judy 9 for mjd 13 both 2012

926

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 20:22

confirmed

927

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 22:14

Just noticed this scoring anomaly.

Q is 1/2 in H/AB but he hit a sac fly so his OBP is 1/3. That stinks. I thought sac flies didn't count anywhere except for RBI's.

Hmmmm.

928

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 23:41

OBP = (H + BB + HBP) / (AB + BB + HBP + SF)

Sacrifice bunts are not counted, because they are considered 'strategy'.

929

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 23:46

Over the past 7 days, Jemile Weeks (my current DH) has a batting average of .242 and an OBP of .235.

That means he has more sac flies than he has walks + hit by pitch. That's hard to do.

930

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Aug 04, 2011, 09:55

Who has Gee and whoever the hell the Mets 5th starter is? I'll acquire the whole rotation...
probably not as cool as when I had Hudson/Mulder/Zito back in the day.

931

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Aug 04, 2011, 10:36

The best part about that is you get a starter every day, so they're nice and evenly spread out. Of course, there are days like Tuesday when I had Price, Hudson, and Beckett all going (and all pitched well) which was also sweet.

Judy's really got a stockpile going. Let's see how it goes. Oh, and anyone interested in one of my closers or Konerko, give me a shout.

932

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 14:42

My bad, I picked up Robinson but he's mjd's prospect. I dropped him again already.

933

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 14:56

Ya know, since I moved to Newark, DE -- I'm reminded of BH every day... thats annoying I've decided.

934

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 14:57

And I name dropped him at Deer Park Tavern and they asked me to leave! :)

935

allhair allstars
ID: 21721521
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 22:21

Yo 'mish,

I'm calling up Des Jennings. Please drop McLouth (like a rock).

936

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 23:49

I'd like to call up Kipnis and drop Orlando Hudson.

937

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Aug 06, 2011, 01:18

935 and 936: Done

938

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 06, 2011, 09:22

Aa

'bout time you called up Jennings... I kept him pn my AAA roster for month before he was called up just to be sure I had him.

939

Ref
ID: 33757623
Sun, Aug 07, 2011, 01:34

My computer died. Backups have been failing. Anyhow, can someone please link me to our league site?

940

Ref
ID: 33757623
Sun, Aug 07, 2011, 01:44

nm, I had an email alert that I used.

942

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Aug 07, 2011, 11:06

When's the trade deadline? Can't seem to find it.

league link

943

R9
ID: 2854239
Sun, Aug 07, 2011, 20:38

August 26th at noon EST, says it on the Settings tab under League.

944

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 10:23

Guys, I need to clear out some roster space. Looking to move Casey McGehee or Jesus Guzman for picks. They're both hitting well and can certainly help. We're not talking Matt Kemp here, so a simple pick upgrade will probably be enough to do it.

945

Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 21:22

Thank you, James Shields....you are great.

You suck, Burnett....despite the awesome first 5 innings, I knew you would blow it eventually. I swear you have cruised through 5 or 6 innings with the lead 4 or 5 times, only to see you blow chunks and cough it up later. I knew I shouldn't start you....bum

946

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 10:23

Yeah I saw that. Anyone have a time machine so I can go back and keep Shields?

947

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 10:51

This league would have been OVER had you kept him.

Shields will be available (most likely) in the offseason.

948

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 10:47

Price vs. Sabathia tonight. Huuuuuuuuuuuge

949

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 11:03

Yeah, except one guy's going against the best team in baseball in their bandbox of a home park. I haven't even decided if I'm going to start Price tonight.

950

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 11:25

I used to hear Yankee fans crack jokes about how the Green Monster was only 310 feet away and how that was a joke...
and now the new Yankee stadium right field is 314. And doesn't have a 35 foot high wall.

951

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 12:47

So would you start Price against that?

952

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 12:56

Price's numbers at the new stadium don't seem very good last 2 years... and his chances of winning are not very good either vs. CC so getting a W doesn't seem likely. I guess it depends on my innings... if I'm way behind IP I probably throw him out there. If I'm close, then I probably avoid.

953

Nerfherders
ID: 2829613
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 13:20

Nice to see someone picking up my scraps. McGehee was less than worthless for four months. Good luck getting anything for him!

My team is in a sad state right now. I am only seeing 3 obvious keepers, and one of them has been on the DL most of the season.

954

Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 15:32

IMO you would look like a pansy if you sat him.

955

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 15:49

well they are without A-Rod right now, so that does help his case with a Righty out of the lineup

956

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 16:25

Post 954 is Species trying to play head games. But I had already made up my mind. And I am already a pansy anyway.

957

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 17:23

Rather be a pansy with a championship, right?

And I think Species kind of tipped his hand, cause he wouldn't try and goat you into starting him if he thought it was a good idea.

958

Great One
ID: 21726610
Sat, Aug 13, 2011, 07:26

5 HR's later... nice work CC.

959

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Aug 13, 2011, 09:10

Suck it, Trebek. Now, this feels great and all but it's going to take about 30 more days of it to put a dent in things.

960

Great One
ID: 36214199
Sat, Aug 13, 2011, 14:32

I am happy I jinxd another yanks loss...

961

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 14, 2011, 20:08

I need an explanation:

How can Venable be:
Added at 11:55
Dropped at 12:01
Added at 1:23
on the same day by the same team.

I thought that guys who were dropped went to waivers first.

962

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 10:01

956 and 957: true

I've given hen a lot of crap for starting his SPs vs. NYY. My goating was 100% in character :D

963

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 10:29

If you are dropped same day, you don't go to waivers.

964

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 10:36

I think the word is actually "goad". I noticed no one was around to stop me from starting Beckett against Seattle. It's crazy - I just can't seem to get any momentum with my pitching. Even trading for Beckett, Hudson, and Putz does not appear to have helped... yet.

965

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 11:15

Thanks for the clarification GO.

So a pick up --> drop same day essentially does not register as anything...

966

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 11:48

Exactly. To prevent me from adding guys and then dropping them... sending them to waivers and blocking your ability to make moves.

ESPN does have a quirk where I can actually have that guy in my lineup for the day and score points, but if I drop him before the overnight freeze he still doesn't hit waivers.

I've been exploiting that in RIBC until recently when I've had enough hitters and making the entire free agent pool my bench as long as I only keep them for half a day, through the freeze at the start of the first game and dropping them before overnight processing.

967

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 12:14

Oh that's how you're doing it...

968

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 12:40

Nice, Yahoo is down. But at least Great One can still cheat on ESPN.

969

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 13:22

Yahoo is up.
Not my fault ESPN has flaws in its system, just playing by the rules and knowing how to maximize my roster in the system.
I thank you for pointing it our earlier in the year when I had a bunch of injuries. Really helped keep me afloat.
Of course you have 100 moves made over there, and second highest is 66, so I got a feeling you are doing something similar.

970

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 13:34

Not a chance. I have 25 hitting points and 61 pitching, so it's mostly desperation. Of course, when your second two picks are Jason Heyward and Adam Dunn, that'll happen. And the trade for Ichiro? Not helping so much.

971

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 15, 2011, 16:40

They announced last week that yahoo would be down today. I emailed all my AAA guys...

972

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 23:12

Dempster pitches a great game and marmol gives up a GS to someone I've never heard of...The dude's second career HR.

973

Great One
ID: 21726610
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 23:49

another great Niemann performance, glad he's working out for you

974

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 17, 2011, 07:49

Me too, vogelsburg's been good as well...

975

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 07:33

Check those standings folks.

It's goin' down to the wire, til the FA lady sings!

Species and Judy tied for first, hen one point behind! Wow!

976

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 10:50

Well done guys. My team has played poorly and is leaking oil badly coming down the stretch. I lost Davis for the year (most likely) and when Josh Willingham is your #1 power threat on a team with Victor, AGonz, Teixeira and Berkman you know you are in trouble!

Perhaps the return of A-Rod will inspire the troops. Good luck down the stretch!!

977

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 11:36

Wow, I didn't realize the shift that happened yesterday. I hate how +5 days usually lead to negative days immediately after, but maybe we can keep some momentum here.

By the way, Price completely shuts down the Yankees and Red Sox on the road? Is that guy the best pitcher on the planet or what? Well, except maybe this Verlander guy, but...

978

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 11:37

Hey, has anyone seen the league records?

979

Ref
ID: 33757623
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 13:45

Still have some guys I can send you to get you over the top. ;) Who wants a ring?

980

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 19:19

we need to update the league pick trades page:

Niemann deal (thread #920)
GO gets her 7
Judy gets his 11

Vogelsong deal (thread #925):
mjd gets her 9
judy gets his 13

Also thread #850 correction to what is posted:
6-28-11 bmd receives judys 5th rounder for his 12th (Farnsworth)

Thanks.

981

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 11:03

Becket next start @Texas is one I'd be thinking about too...

982

Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 12:10

981 -- he isn't a pansy. He would definitely start a Texan like Beckett in front of the Texas crowd.....will be friendly.

983

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 12:22

Yep, I noticed that a few days ago. Still on the fence. And I thought we determined that I WAS a pansy.

984

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 12:24

Don't let him trick you with that fancy reverse psychology.

985

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 13:49

Ugh starting to slip now. Thought I might hold 12th. I suppose it doesn't matter now, just a better draft slot. :P

986

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 20:31

Was at the Nats/Phillies game Friday night. I know we lost but it was really exciting -- even the huge light and sound show was exciting. (lightning and thunder). I'll bet it was 2/3 Phillies phans and it was loud with chooooooch, and raoooooool and boooooooo ( for werth) and yeaaaaaaa ( for pence).

For the Zimm at bat at 3-2 count, the whole place was standing, Phils Phans rooting for Madson and Nats fans rooting for Zimm.

Pretty cool.

987

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Aug 21, 2011, 20:52

My team has a huge division lead. If we're going to lose, glad it could be with 6 runs against Judy's team.

988

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Aug 22, 2011, 13:12

Hey guys, did you know that I wrote an article for ESPN about the 2001 rookie class? Figured if you liked losing to me in this league*, you might enjoy reading it.

* except Species and Judy

989

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 22, 2011, 22:55

Bummer...

3 (of 4) quality starts tonight and only 1 W.

Bummer...

990

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 12:41

I had no quality starts and 1 win.

991

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 15:52

My ERA and WHIP and K did OK, just not the W's.

992

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 23, 2011, 16:45

sorry guys -- need to share this.

Pat Summitt, Lady Vols BBall coach, announced that she has been diagnosed with early onset Alzheimers at age 59. My mom went through it (in her 70's, died at 81) and I do not wish that disease on anyone. How sad.

Life is sometimes very cruel.

993

Toral
ID: 5464267
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 18:08

Commissioners: pick up Brent Lawrie for the 1st time, drop Eric Chavez

994

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Aug 24, 2011, 19:03

I think my downfall in the league this year will be of my own doing. While I don't regret the Kennedy/Romero for Sabathia trade (and am always pleased when players I trade perform at the level that I "pitched" in my trade talks) at all, I think my timing is going to hurt me. As great as CC has been, perhaps I should have waited a month or two and racked up more innings, wins and ratios :(

995

Toral
ID: 5464267
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 05:17

Per 993: I went ahead and picked up Lawrie and dropped Chavez.

996

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 12:40

Species, I think you're still in the drivers' seat. Romero and Kennedy have been great, especially lately, but Sabathia's been good for you and should still be.

By the way, I sat Beckett. I don't even regret it.

997

beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 20:39

Species, I'm doing my best to let you win ERA and WHIP. I guess I need to start looking at matchups before throwing my guys out there.

998

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 22:31

Bh is adding and dropping SP like flies....he's trying to gain some ground in P stats.

999

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 09:51

Is that a surprise? Shouldn't we all be doing that?

1000

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 14:13

Uh, no. I have a life to live... I am not that desperate.

1001

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 15:44

True, I don't have much of a life.

In other news, it looks like Jon Sanchez might be out a while, so if you're interested in having him for next year, shoot me an offer.

1002

Great One
ID: 17252222
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 17:21

BH - I don't know how you find the extra 14 seconds in your day to rotate in a starting pitcher... must be nice to have all that extra free time.

1003

R9
ID: 2854239
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 18:06

Given how bad he has been at picking starters this year, I think 14 seconds to make his decision is a high-end estimate. :)

1004

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 18:57

Man how ro ruin watching a ball game. Watching the LLWS and Musberger cannot shut up! It's a good game, but he is ruining it. Doesn't anyone preview the announcers. Just awful!

1005

Great One
ID: 36214199
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 20:34

I prefer using darts...

1006

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 29, 2011, 10:31

993 Added Lawrie's first call up.

1007

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 09:13

It's been a long hard road, but I finally broke the 4.00 ERA barrier after 2 horrid months to start the season, and 3 good months since... cracking the champagne tonight!

1008

bh@minny
ID: 77483011
Tue, Aug 30, 2011, 12:48

Lince sure didn't hurt that ERA.

Still trying to track down the league records. Does anyone know where they are?

1009

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 19:54

That oppo shot by Stanton Tuesday into the 2nd deck was:

1) sick
2) incredible
3) jaw-dropping
4) unfair
5) all of the above

Wow.

I'm trying to think of a comparable player in the last 20 years. Going for a Bonds comp is ridiculous, cuz Bonds on roids was unreal.....but can anyone think of a player that a pitcher is more scared of giving up a HR if they make a mistake? I guess McGwire.

1010

darkside
ID: 472162421
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 21:38

re: 1008...is this what you mean?

1011

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 00:32

I had kind of a good night.

Thank you, Mike Carp.

1012

bh@minny
ID: 33172016
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 00:48

True, that's a pretty fantastic night Species. I looked at Happ but passed. Good move.

Re: 1010. Perfect, thanks for that. It looks like I am going to smash the records for steals and saves this year. Without a closer kept, that's pretty nice.

1013

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 01:04

1012: and most batting points, and a good chance to beat Twarpy's 99 points in pitching with 100 points in hitting.

I am in contention to beat my WHIP record from last year.

1014

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 11:16

And my poor team is fading when I least need it to...

1015

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 12:16

Judy just added Jacob Turner, who I believe is one of Nerf's prospects.

I took him out of her starting lineup for today (game starts within the hour), and sent her an email. I could have just dropped him from her roster, but figured she would want to add someone back - so I just benched him for now, to make sure he wasn't locked.

1016

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 15:47

Yeah sorry guys -- totally forgot about checking for prospects

1017

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 17:36

He was locked before I could get to it, but he is on my bench no accumulating any stats for me whichis good since he gave up 6 R in 4.1 IP.

Thanks GURU for noticing and fixing. Will check more carefully in future for the young 'uns.

1018

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 18:09

Looks like me and Species each tried to add him in!!

1019

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 15:32

I am being caught from behind as I try to reach the guys ahead of me. This is getting UGLY!!! Need my big guns to step it up several notches.

1020

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 16:48

I think we need a poll as to when bh will reach his 100th move of the season. He has 91 so far. The next closest is Toral with 62.

My guess is Saturday September 17 around noon!

1021

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Sep 06, 2011, 16:40

This is getting too funny for words:
I start an AZ P and SF wins. I start the SF P and AZ wins.
I started the TEX P and TB wins. Tonight I start the TB P and -- any guesses who will win? Not to mention that I have 2 TEX batters as well.

1022

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Sep 06, 2011, 20:40

Whad I tell ya.

TB P down 5 already, but TEX batters not hitting -- c'mon men, get me something good outta this game!

1023

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 16:26

I'd be very surprised if I made a move on Sept 17.

1024

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 08, 2011, 20:18

What's with venters all of a sudden? Everyone is falling down for me!! AAaaAaAaAAAaAakkkkkkkk!

1025

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 20:23

Affeldt out for the season with a cut hand non pitching but nerve damage... Any more guys want to go down for me?

1026

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 20:59

Wow, didn't notice until now how far you've fallen out of it Judy. Or rather, how far up Hen and Greg have moved.

1027

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 09, 2011, 21:36

No, no, no they have not moved up.

I have been caught up by those below in a lot of categories...and thus slid... For example, one SB yesterday got me one point. Several places for that to still happen if my batters become hitters again. Too Many impt guys in the DL.

1028

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Sep 10, 2011, 23:23

The lack of trading for the contenders this season is telling. In years past the top teams would have to one-up each other down the stretch. When I was in that situation, I overpaid for the pieces I needed as you may never find yourself in that spot again--but too late now.

1029

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 10, 2011, 23:46

Uh ref, I tried to trade with you but you didn't like the offer.

Also call up Alonso for the first time -- I already added him.

Bh is winning because he clearly has the inside track on who to bring in on a temporary basis. Look at his 97 (!!!) moves so far mostly for SP in the last month or so. That is where he made the move. Also a ton of luck -- I mean myers first win since June 17 with 6 K's. And happ with 8 K's? Come on, these guys play for Houston. He also has only one guy on the DL -- a loser SP.

1030

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 10, 2011, 23:52

Ref I also added via trades, the following;
Lee
Farnsworth
Vogelsong
Niemann
M Young

DL:
Probably shut down for season: B Wilson, Hanson, Q
Shane (2 stints)
Madson
McCann
CarGo

I faded in all categories as those below me caught up as my team just could not generate any positive stats.

1031

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 00:01

Also, I have these draft picks for next year:
2,4,6,8,8,10,11,11,12,12,13,13,14,14

So don't say I didn't give up a lot to try and win it this season, I had no picks left that were wanted. I even offered 4 and a good young player to "unnamed" and was rejected.

Maybe I should have "advertised" on the thread for another SP when Hanson went down...??? Don't see myself as a beggar though. Willing to give up to get, but not in an unfair trade.

1032

Great One
ID: 268281023
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 00:28

I'd say nobody traded the last month cause there was nothing left for them to trade after an insane season long arms race... and there comes a point where there is nowhere left to improve and nothing more you can do, you just gotta roll with what ya got.

1033

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 10:29

I added Alonso for the first time. Are there any other prospects who have been called up and not added to their number of called-up times? Judy I am not sure which trades were missed. My rl has been so busy lately it's not even funny. I feel like I'm playing catch-up on everything.

As for trading, I wasn't referring to my team specifically. There are many teams who had players who could have helped that aren't even keepers. There was interest in my keeper players but I wasn't interested in trading those players. There were a couple offers that got me thinking about it, but in the end, they weren't enough to get me to change my mind. Since I am planning on keeping them, I really had no inpetus to make a deal happen.

1034

Great One
ID: 268281023
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 11:29

For example though, why is BH gonna add as a hitter when he has a 20 in every category? and Species ain't much different, but he added Berkman for a pick anyway... so that cuts have the trading pool. So BH traded for Beckett and Hudson a month ago to help with the pitching. And Judy traded for Niemann. And CC and Cliff Lee got moved to contenders earlier in the year. Thats some big names.

1035

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 13:31

I did ask a coupla folks about SP but no one wanted to part with the ones I wanted.
It is what it is.

1036

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 19:37

hen's got me. I can't get up to 180. He has to come down some pegs for me to have a chance. I *have* to pass him in runs scored to have a prayer.

1037

R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 01:56

Species also took on Valverde from me earlier in the year too. All 3 top contenders paid decent prices to add pieces they probably wont keep.

Hen kept all his top picks though, and thats prety big if he manages to win it all. I was ready to laugh at him if he fell a few pts short while finishing below 10 in ERA/WHIP, but if he pulls it out he deserves some serious props.

1036, I noticed the same thing. I didn't check hen's stats to see if he's vulnerable in any categories, but I didn't see you gaining anywhere all that easily.

1038

beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 11:35

Species, I see 4 points that you could easily get. Plus, if your guys get hot you can definitely go up to the next tier in OBP. A lot of stuff can happen in 3 weeks. bh definitely has the upper hand though.

1039

Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 13:15

It's not like I'm giving up....far from it, but hen has the advantage. I've squeezed every point I can from pitching....not sure risking the ERA and WHIP figures are worth trying to gain 5 wins for a possible point.

bmd is right....I have to get hot for a few weeks to have a chance. I have to get lucky in steals (McCoy?), pass hen in runs and gain somewhere else....as well as hope a couple of hen's pitchers get bombed.

I should have taken my steals issue more seriously when Davis went down :( That's on me.

1040

Bh
ID: 426111516
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 13:36

I also traded away the best pitching prospect in baseball for a closer I probably won't keep, in addition to the Beckett and Hudson deals. To say I didn't try my darndest to win this year is either misinformed or mis-intentioned.

1041

Bh
ID: 426111516
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 08:08

I still like your odds, Species. I've made up a bunch of points across 4 pitching categories in the last two weeks and could give it up easily. This is going to be a fun finish.

1042

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 21:10

I stand corrected. Bh reached his 100th move today. Next closest is Toral with 65.
Species has 38 and I have 27.

1043

Great One
ID: 268281023
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 22:31

100 really isn't very much either... in my one Yahoo league I have 125 moves and thats only 4th most! Everyone is wheeling and dealing and mixing and matching every day... its been quite a battle... and thats with a 10 move per week limit we put on last season.

In Poli baseball and Dirty Dozen I have over 100 in each, and I don't have the most made in either one.

1044

Bh
ID: 426111516
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 03:42

Why wouldn't you make as many moves as possible? Are you trying?

1045

Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 18:16

A thinner pool of players makes it a much riskier proposition to stream pitchers in this league. You have so few realistic choices.

1046

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 22:15

When you have all the hitter stats sewn up, it is a heck of a lot easier to mess with pitchers knowing that for the most part you can only go up especially in the counting stats, so why not try. You won't lose much by taking chances although I contest that bh got some really surprising P results with all his switching.

On the flip side, all my batters -- I can no longer call them hitters -- have absolutely bottomed out. For most of the season I was at least top 4 in the batter states except SB and look where my team is now. How would you suggest fixing that? DL issues also hurt the counting stats big time.

Also I have been really hurt by the DL losing a ton of P stats with one closer down, another DTD, and Hanson out -- lost about 50 k there at the very least not to mention W and SV. Plus that crazy week I referenced in 1021.

After that brief time in first in August, my team has tanked.

1047

Bh
ID: 426111516
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 03:27

Which ones would you consider lucky? I did have Myers and Pelfrey on my bench the last two nights, which I'd call UN-lucky. Personally, I feel that streaming pitchers is a major strength of mine, developed and honed during the TSN days. That and getting saves are probably my two biggest strengths- the hitting in G20 is more a factor of Trip's drafting (Braun, Kemp, Andrus) and my own stubbornness.

1048

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 12:02

Shields vs. Beckett Saturday.

I'm starting mine hen. Is your pansy ass starting yours?

1049

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 13:11

So I am beginning to see the long term strategy. Either load up on batters (bh) or P (Species) and then make moves along the way to bolster the missing counting stats in the batter/p categories you are missing.

My team is well rounded but not stellar and the DL certainly messed up my P stats big time. With a little bit of luck, I could have 7 more points now...

Oh well, I will fight to the finish, but I think the finish will get here before it will make a difference.

1050

Bh
ID: 426111516
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 17:09

I noticed Toral passed Tosh. Should be exciting in the race for the money.

Also, I don't think Species intended to load up on pitching. He had championship caliber hitting and they have performed (except steals). He drafted pitching as well as anyone, getting Shields, Kennedy, Romero, and Ogando (who was actually an accident- he was going for saves) who were all fantastic. But that certainly wasn't the plan.

1051

Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 18:24

Yeah, Ogando was pure luck but I felt very good about Romero and Kennedy and was pleased to be proven right. I owe bmd an assist on Romero, as he chose Matusz instead in Rd 1 over Romero. I felt very good about a return to form for Shields, but did not expect a season like this!!

Overall I would say my hitting underperformed. ARod obviously (thank goodness made that move for Roberts!). Kelly Johnson came down to earth. Alexei Ramirez declined some. This was partially offset by Josh Willingham who was a lifesaver.

Jose Valverde is underrated. He has been a stud this year. Another good trade for me there. The only disappointment on the trade front was due to injury (R. Davis).

Overall it's been a successful year. Any time you are floating around 175 pts you've done something right.....just not sure it will be enough without some luck.

You starting Beckett tonight hen?

1052

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 23:43

Ugly night. Grrrr.

1053

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Sep 17, 2011, 03:54

Yes, I'm starting Beckett. Hehe.

1054

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 6710121
Sat, Sep 17, 2011, 10:56

I'm calling up Drew Pomeranz (1st time) and dropping Wilson Betemit. I'm doing this myself to make sure I get Pomeranz's start, hopefully that's not a problem.

1055

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 17, 2011, 19:21

Money? What money???

1056

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 12:42

Also starting Price against Boston. This is really coming down to the wire.

Hey Judy, thanks for Venters - not sure why you dropped him...

1057

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 16:12

Because he is lousy now and I needed to work on starting P stats. 1 IP here and there does me absolutely no good in the % stats and he rarely gets counting stats except for K here and there.

They are also resting him because he has been so bad lately.

1058

Bh
ID: 426111516
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 16:55

Made some more moves. At this point I have no idea if it will make a difference.

1059

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 18:25

For a long while, I was in 4th.

Then I changed my team logo from 'Bart Simpson' to 'Towelie'. (I've since changed back)

My team began plummeting the following day. I wonder if there is a connection??

1060

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 19:27

And now Alonso joins the wounded list... Will pinch-hit only rest of season.

1061

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 19:43

Alright bh, you gotta explain all these adds, then almost immediate drops, but the guy is still in your lineup. What is the timing of all this.
I'd like to know for next year...

1062

Great One
ID: 418501919
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 20:50

Just like ESPN if you add a player before the first game starts he's on your team for the day... then when the first game starts its as though the page turns and the next day starts.

So first game is 1 PM. I add a pitcher at 12:50 for today Monday.... game starts 1 PM, everyone is locked in for the day. I can drop him at 1:01 and am now looking at guys for Tuesday's games.

1063

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 22:37

Send Alonso down he is only gonna PH from now on.

I will drop him.

1064

Bh
ID: 426111516
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 02:25

Tosh, how can you even thiink about comparing Towelie to Bart Simpson? He was the worst character ever...

1065

Toral
ID: 5688310
Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 22:16

Commisshes: send Brett Lawrie down to minors; pick up Chase Headley (3B - SD).

1066

Bh
ID: 426111516
Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 22:59

Man it's getting steamy. What is that knocking sound?

1067

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 09:59

Whoopee one of my closers is back -- wilson

Better late than never

Oops that does not work for me this year... missed him (and farnsworth) big time in the SV category. Should be at least in the mid 90's with them both in...A bump up to third in that category.

Injuries still killing me: I don't expect to see Q again and CarGo is out as well...and Hanson was a huge loss.

1068

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 10:02

CarGo was injury-prone when you traded for him, so you can't say that wasn't already factored in...

1069

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 22, 2011, 19:35

WHAT!!

CarO is out today because he had his wisdom teeth removed?? Give me a break!

1070

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 10:13

This Matt Moore guy might just be a keeper... good thing we got him away from Species.

1071

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 10:14

I was thinking the same thing. Granted, pitching is NOT his problem...

1072

Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 12:27

Re: Moore

Yeah, another prime prospect comes and goes through the turnstiles of team Species......'tis the sad reality of contention that I cannot afford to enjoy them myself. Of course, my leveraging of them is what has given me a snowball's chance of contending to begin with.

While I can't take credit for the scouting of course, I apparently have a good eye for taking in the reports of others and more often than not making my own conclusions about which prospects have the greatest chance of making an impact. I've been meaning to make a list of guys I have touched/traded over the years to illustrate that point.

Too bad my wheeling and dealing is unlikely to get me the title this year......and leaving me in a deficit position in picks next year :(

1073

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 12:43

I think I had Craig Kimbrel on my team about five years ago.

1074

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 10:06

Hoo boy, this should be fun. BH's bench with another dominating performance last night- 10 K's for leblanc...

1075

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 10:19

Methinks a) your bench SP lately are outperforming your regulars and b) you are snatching these guys one day at a time for your bench so the rest of us can not use them!! Clever!

1076

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 10:35

ALL the probable starters for today are gone!! Did grab one last night was looking for another...

1077

R9
ID: 2854239
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 11:30

Looking through the scoring categories it seems like Toral's team is more likely to decide the winner then either of hen's or species. :) Awesome.

1078

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 12:50

Hoo boy, this should be fun. BH's bench with another dominating performance last night- 10 K's for leblanc...

That's okay bh.....my inability to be online and available to replace my rained out Sox and Yankees cost me 3 runs, 1 HR, 2 rbi, 1 sb and 3 guys who had .500 obp nights.

Seriously, my lack of day-to-day management at gametime (rainouts, hitters not starting for the day) is going to be what costs me this league.

1079

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 13:33

You really should use the mobile app.

1080

Species
ID: 124591311
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 13:55

I do, actually......I'm just not always available to use it or so busy I forget :(

1081

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Sep 24, 2011, 18:53

It's official: Hanson, cargo, q out for the season. Only cargo has played in the last 30 days.

Wuld like to get to 160 but unless my current hitters bust out in thenext four days, it will not happen... Sigh.

1082

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Sep 25, 2011, 13:01

1078: my inability to be online and available to replace my rained out Sox and Yankees cost me 3 runs, 1 HR, 2 rbi, 1 sb and 3 guys who had .500 obp nights

That means at this moment I would have another .5 pts in HR, .5 pts in RBI, 1 point in steals, and I would imagine 1 point in OBP. That's 3 points left on the table.

I would be in the lead right now before games start Sunday. Wow I'm going to be pissed if crap like this costs me the season.

1083

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Sep 25, 2011, 17:07

Last week, I picked up Davis, Reimold, Angle and Aviles for a BAL-BOS doubleheader on a day with a meager slate of games. Those guys alone got me seven runs, and started to get separation in the only hitting category that was remotely close. There is still a lot to be decided, but if don't finish on top, it won't be for lack of trying.

1084

Species
ID: 108172518
Sun, Sep 25, 2011, 19:17

TORAL: Tommy Milone is a prospect on darkside's prospect list. Please drop.

He didn't show up on the prospect warning due to him being called "Tom" in our database vs. "Tommy" (I assume)

1085

Toral
ID: 5688310
Sun, Sep 25, 2011, 19:49

Done. Sorry.

1086

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Sep 25, 2011, 19:50

Good catch Species. There are a few prospects starting this week; let's be careful about who we pick up.

Man, this thing is really going down to the wire. So many categories are really close. I caught lightning in a bottle with Detwiler today but then the usually consistent Walden gave up enough for both guys.

1087

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Sep 25, 2011, 20:05

Awesome. Thanks Toral.

1088

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 26, 2011, 23:26

18 K's tonight for bh -- and the games are not over...

Sheesh.

1089

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 26, 2011, 23:27

Species left 2 SB on the bench...

1090

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 07:27

Looks like Toral's SP for weds will decide the P stats for bh...

This is so close. WOW.

1091

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 10:36

I finished off my starts quota in my 10-team corporate league last night. Nine SP: Lee, Latos, Fister, McCarthy, Bailey, Vargas, Coleman, Milone, and McGowan. 56 IP, 61 K, 4 W, 3.05, 1.00. I've got 96 points in that league, but I'm now 1 win, 1 point of BA, and .004 of ERA from 10s in those categories. I'm down .05 in WHIP, so no chance to get a perfect score.

1092

Nerfherders
ID: 417531814
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 11:20

All I can say is I didn't finish last!

My pitching since August has been ridiculously bad. That was the only thing keeping me middle of the pack.

1093

Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 19:05

1089: yeah, and I gave fleeting consideration to benching ARod and starting McCoy but chickened out.

I am pretty sure hen's got me. He'd really have to ruin his pitching ratios to give me a chance. Congrats bro.

1094

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 14:23

This could be the last day of the season. Good luck everyone!

1095

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 18:25

Not necessarily:

GAME NOTICE:
Please note that player stats resulting from any play-in games WILL count towards your league standings.

1096

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 20:23

Toral holds the keys...

1097

bh
ID: 388582821
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 22:58

Could be, silly.

Man, this is a nailbiter.

1098

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 23:09

You got that right... Hope the league managers are watching

Exciting here and in real life baseball -- ATL, TB, BOS...

1099

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 23:48

Judy.......speaking SOLELY as a competitor in this league and in no official capacity:

Can you pretty please put Jeff Neimann into your lineup? Just in case? :D

I would like to recognize the hard work of Toral, who embodies the integrity of this league in fighting to the bitter end.....his efforts to put up the best stats possible have made those at the top fight it out for every point. Well done.

1100

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 23:52

Huh?

He's locked...?????

1101

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:02

Judy.

Neimann is a likely starter for Tampa tomorrow if TB and Boston play a 1-game playoff. The game tomorrow (if there is one) counts in the standings.

HOLLLLLYYYYYYYYYY $$$$$$$$$$HIT Baltimore won! I think that's BAD for me!

1102

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:06

OMG. It's over.

Congrats blue hen.

Unbelievable night.

1103

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:10

OMG!!!!! McGee with the win!! THANK YOU TOSH!!! HOLY $$$$$$$$$$$$HIT! Tosh ties blue hen in wins!!!!

Thanks Toral too!! OMG!!

1104

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:10

What a night for baseball. So many teams so many decisions all in one night. Beats the WS unless you are rooting for the Phillies! Wow! Who would thunk it on sept 1?????

Congrats bh.

1105

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:12

Whoa -- just saw the final score -- it's a tie!!! How did that happen?? Gotta check the stats...

1106

bh
ID: 388582821
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:21

Crazy. I'll take a league championship, even it's only half of one. That season ending was something I've never seen before, either in real or fantasy baseball. We all worked so hard all season, and Tosh happened to put McGee in his lineup and bang - it's over. I blame Price for not putting the Yankees away in the first place.

Toral was amazing - 6 starts and a WHIP under 1. Made up so many points and looks like he finishes in 6th - good work.

I had a victory speech prepared, and I just might give it tomorrow. I think you'll like it.

1107

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:24

Wow. Toral's pitching line tonight (with Gio Gonzalez still in the game working on an 11-strikeout shutout):

40.1 IP
3 wins
30 k's
2.01 ERA
0.89 WHIP

Passes hen in wins. Passes hen in WHIP. Ensures hen can't pass him in K's.

So many categories fought to the final out. Wow.

I'll take a tie for the title. Made up 5 points today. Unbelievable.

1108

bh
ID: 388582821
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:24

Looks like if Jaydog had started Lucroy tonight (he was on his bench and he was starting Soto, who didn't play), his stolen base would have broken a tie with Species and won me the championship. It's the small things.

1109

bh
ID: 388582821
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:26

Am I allowed to say I "pulled a Red Sox"?

1110

bh
ID: 388582821
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:29

More fun. In my 10-team work league, I finished with 98 points. I was one win behind another point. I had McGee in my lineup, but Jim Johnson (who won the game against the Red Sox) on my bench.

1111

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:29

If you had started Humber.

If I had made substitutions on Friday for the Sox/Yanks rainout.

If I had started McCoy over ARod when he was facing Shields Monday.

So many what ifs. In one sense, we both had such incredible seasons it would've been a shame for one of us to lose by .5 pts. I'll take the tie.

1112

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:31

Bh

Check out 1082 and 1089 -- species coulda been way ahead...

In the end, it IS a lot of luck...but that is why the games are played.

Congrats to both of you. I gave you a run for most of the season but then my team just wore out...and got caught by the others.

It sure was down to the wire and exciting! What a night to be watching baseball on TV!

1113

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:34

1109

Absolutely not... You did the opposite of the soc climbing in the pitching stats. You just lost out on the last play of the game -- so to speak. Kinda like Howard looking at the called third (non) strike last year or the DJax PR TD (if you are a Jints fan...).

1114

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:37

Buddy, that was good enough for me;
Good enough for me and Jacob McGee.

Congrats to both of you.

1115

Toral
ID: 5688310
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 05:21

A bad night to go to bed early. I had started watching at 1 at my first pitcher's game and, an inning or two after Simon got knocked out, decided there was nothing going on either in the rl games or the league standings and went to sleep.

When I went to the game site a few minutes or go, it had me at 8th and bluehen winning by 5 points. Turns out it reverts to yesterday's standings until it does a full day's update around 5 A.M. Looks like there was a happy ending after all, not least of all for me!

Congrats to the co-winners.

1116

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 08:57

So that's why there were no more ATL, STL, TB or BOS players left. Species stocked up in case of a playoff -- for that elusive SB?

1117

beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 09:39

Congrats to both of you guys. A very fitting ending.

1118

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 09:45

Congrats, quite an exciting race.

1119

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 10:17

Red Sox, Braves, Blue Hen...what a night for choking!!! ;)

Seriously though what a finish! Congrats to Species and BH for a share of the title.

Anyone who made pickups after the freeze yesterday needs to drop those players. I am not sure if ESPN keeps our rosters or not but I'm guessing they will. Might need to save them just in case.

1120

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 11:45

All the events of last night-MLB and fantasy-are what makes baseball so unique.

Congrats to both of the co-champs. Somehow seems fitting after such a hard fought season.

1121

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 12:25

Wow! Didn't expect to see a tie. Hen pulls a mini-Sox.

Somehow last night Atl, NY and Bos all lost, after all 3 were leading with 2 outs in the 9th. Boston was ONE STRIKE away from winning. Just crazy.

Imagine being Carl Crawford right now...

1122

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 17:39

Talk about a september swoon:

RUNS: 5 month ave = 126; Sept = 113
HR: 5 month ave = 32; Sept = 18
RBI: 5 month ave = 126; Sept = 91

I think I outdid the SOX and Bravos...

1123

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 6710121
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 20:49

nice going guys. bh winning every hitting cat in a 20 team league, and species almost doing the same in pitching. I was happy to pull myself out of the cellar and into the middle of the pack

1124

Peter N.
ID: 48592919
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 20:59

No choke for blue hen here. He pulled the trigger on many trades in an attempt to win it all. Amazing finish! Congrats to both of you. My goal was to finish 4th so I'll take it.

1125

allhair allstars
ID: 598252922
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 23:26

Congrats you guys... fantasy baseball imitates life! Hell of a fight down the stretch and an incredible finish. For my own part, after sipping my share of cellar temperature beer I managed to climb out of last and close out in 11th, and had more fun this year than in a while. Always knew I'd beat Ref one of these years... (although this isn't quite what I had in mind) ;)

1126

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 10:02

I picked Humber and Anderson back up (had dropped them for Wakefield and ESanchez after the freeze).

1127

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 10:09

New Records:
- Species and BH tied for 3rd most points in a season (177.5)
- BH sets record for most batting points (100)
- Species gets 3rd most pitching points (95)
- Species sets record for most K's (1287)
- Toral is now 3rd most K's (1240)
- BH gets 2nd best RBI total (832)
- BH sets record for most saves (139)
- BH sets record for most stolen bases (170)
- Beastiemiked is now 2nd in SB (154)
- Species sets record for best WHIP (1.162)
- R9 is now 3rd in WHIP (1.197)

1128

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 10:11

Stats, Standings, Prospects, and Trades, in case we need them later.

1129

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 13:14

Hey, I finished in first place, so I get to make a speech, even if it was only a tie.

Championship Speech

Thanks everyone for a great season. I love playing in G20 and am extremely happy to have pulled off a (tie for the) championship. Congrats to my co-champ Species and to all the other winners.

I dedicate this (tie for the) win to four people:
- Species, who has been a fantastic competitor.
- My wife. As many of you know, I got married during the 2011 season.
- Perm Dude, who is among the greatest people I know.
- Trip, who left me with a team including David Price, Elvis Andrus, Matt Kemp, and Ryan Braun, although three of them still had some growing to do.

There were many other people to thank, including my trade partners (especially R9, Pete, and BMD), I Hate Philly, Wazaaap Guy, and Barilko (who gave me plenty of advice), JKaye (who told me to draft Jose Bautista last year), and my wife, who puts up with a lot. Also the commishes, and Twarpy, who got me into the league.

I won this league with four things: luck, skill, persistence, and luck. While luck and skill are usually beyond your control, I think persistence is essential in any fantasy league. I applaud Toral for his flurry of moves on the last day of the season, but he finished 77 innings below the limit, and could have gained another point in strikeouts, and changed the season. Then, I look at Pete, who made 8 moves all season, finished 130 innings below the limit, and missed out on a chance to catch Judy. Goatlocker, Guru, Jaydog, Slizz, Yokel, and Roman were all below 20 moves, which is a pace for one move every nine days.

I know we're all busy during the season; this was the busiest year of my job, I got married and went on a honeymoon, and finished off my MBA, but I managed to find five minutes every morning to manage my team, even from Italy. For the sake of this league's competitive spirit, I hope you will find that time in 2012.

I'll get off my soapbox now. This is a great group of people and a fantastic league to be part of. I can't wait for opening day in just 6 short months. And one more thing - Josh Beckett, Paul Konerko, and Jordan Walden are officially on the block. Let's get those offers coming!

1130

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 13:31

Hey, thanks BH. And congrats.

1131

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 14:53

No sweat. You still have to come back to New York and collect the next beverage...

1132

Toral
ID: 4883014
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 15:09

You are quite right, hen; my streaming/innings usage was poor to middling, and my last day was not attributable to skill, but to the mercy of Providence, who smiles upon Her favourites. Mind you, in a league this size streaming is chancy, but I'll do better next season; it's best not to wait until you're fighting to grab starters at the instant the first game of the day starts. (Actually I rather like Yahoo! for this, because the swarm for starters takes place at 3 A.M. Eastern, and I'm willing to get up at that time, which not everyone is. I doubt many people would share this preference.) Oh and BTW ESPN as a site worked fine, and is now definitely preferable to Yahoo! because Y! is so slow -- whwnever I have to make moves on Yahoo! I make it a point to have something else to do -- an open window to go to to read something, a game to play, sometimes an actual book to read -- during the minute or so it takes to perform any function. I particularly like the ESPN feature --I forget the name -- which allows you to see at a glance how far you are ahead and behind of the next manager in each category.

Congratulations again, and happy holidays.

1133

beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 15:58

Recap of my good but certainly not great season:

Keepers:
Wow did I screw up here. Keeping Ian Stewart and Dexter Fowler over Johnny Cueto and Berkman were absolutely huge mistakes. I actually went into february planning on keeping Berkman and Cueto but every fantasy analyst basically put Berkman out to pasture and Cueto at $1 bids. Keeping youth is not always a good thing.

Draft:
Matusz was a huge folly in the 1st round but I still stand by that pick. Almost selected Romero over him but Matusz seemed more of a sure thing(lol). Howie Kendrick in the 2nd round turned out to be an great pick. Coco Crisp in the 4th was very solid as well and turned out to be my only outfielder in the top 30 outfielders despite missing some time. My steals of the draft had to be Farnsworth in the 7th and Masterson in the 12.

Season:
Didn't really have any huge pickups but didn't drop any guys too soon either. Pretty sure I've had Thome on my team at one point every single season this league has been around. Mike Carp was huge in the 2nd half and might be a potential keeper. Allen Craig is another guy that might turn into a keeper if Pujols doesn't re sign.

Trades:
Traded away Farnsworth for a 5th rounder when it was clear I didn't have the offense to compete. Very happy with that one especially since it helped my trade partner out as well. Was sad that I didn't ask to have the player(Ted Lilly) that was going to be dropped to make room for Farnsworth in the trade. I'm sure he would've been thrown in for free and instead Species got him on the waiver wire. Most happy about not trading away Coco Crisp. I could've had a very small draft pick upgrade but chose to stand my ground because I thought it was at least 2 rounds away from what I considered fair. Crisp went on to steal another 25 or so SB's while missing 10+ games.

Congrats again to both winners. Hope you guys enjoy it while it lasts.

1134

Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 18:10

Love bh's acceptance speech that I'm sure was penned well in advance. What a hassle it must have been to have to add in the "(tied for)" so many times..... ;)

Appreciate bmd's recap.......will cheat off of his paper and author a similarly structured post, nd would encourage all teams to do the same.

I love this league.

1135

R9
ID: 2854239
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 20:52

Gonna steal bmd's approach too.

Keepers: I'm pretty happy I decided to keep Michael Pineda. I had some offers on the table to 'upgrade' my 9th keeper spot for very cheap, but I decided to roll the dice with the rookie. Ditto Craig Kimbrel. Keeping 20/20 man Bobby Abreu in the hopes that I could peddle him for a draft pick upgrade to a contender later, didn't work out so well. I forgot G20 rule #1: Nobody likes Bobby Abreu except me.

Draft: I headed into the draft without a pick until pick 6.04, so I knew I wasn't going to get many gems. Still, Mark Trumbo in the 7th round, Brandon Beachy in the 8th and Kenley Jansen in the 10th were pretty big coups. All 3 could/should be keepers for me this year. The rest of my draft was hilariously bad, with Brennen Boesch and Travis Hafner in the 14th being the only other exceptions.

Season: Vance Worley and Paul Goldschmidt were my two better pickups, and Javy Vazquez's 2nd half was a bit better then I was expecting when I grabbed him in early June. ;)

Trades: I made 4 trades this year, all focusing on 2012.
- First I moved my 2011 2nd and 3rd round picks to Species for his 2012 2nd rounder and two prospect picks, who I used to grab Hak-Ju Lee and Anthony Gose. Probably too early to tell how I did value-wise on this one, though since the stuff I gave up is already in the past and everything I got is future value, I can't really lose from this point on.
- I then moved Jose Valverde to Species for his 2012 3rd rounder and his last prospect pick, with whom I took Dylan Bundy. Valverde was excellent down the stretch for Species but is not really a keeper, so just like above I think all the value I gave up is in the past while all the stuff I got is in the future. Bundy is a long-term prospect though.
- My 3rd Species trade was a monster, moving Ryan Roberts and my 10th rounder for Species 8th rounder. ;) He actually played a decent amount for Species though, so I can rightly say this trade played a direct role in Species winning. :p
- My 4th trade was to move Cliff Lee to Judy for 1st and 3rd round draft picks, along with a prospect pick that I used to take Ryan Franklin. Franklin's lost time to injury is kind of a bummer... I was hoping he'd be ready to play alot of games for me in 2012. Seems unlikely now.

I've got a ton of prospects, tons of 2012 picks and lots of young keeper types. From that POV, my rebuild has been going great. Picking which young'ins to keep and how to manage my 7 prospects is going to be interesting though.

Joe Mauer, Chase Utley and Vance Worley are all available.

1136

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Oct 01, 2011, 00:23

Your Co-Champ's recap:

General: This is the #1 league I play in. Even though I just won $450 in my "money league" for placing 2nd, I would easily prefer 1st in this G20 league over my money league any day of the week. The efforts I put in since coming into the league before the 2005 season have been much more rewarding. The pride I feel having clawed my way from the 2004 $hithole where my best keepers were Armando Benitez and Magglio Ordonez......and your prospects were Philip Humber and Royce Ring (instead of Baldwin choosing David Wright), to build a contender and back-to-back winner is very satisfying.

Keepers: No real disasterous keeper choices. Sure, Kelly Johnson disappointed and didn't come close to matching his breakout season, and Alexei Ramirez regressed a bit, but Carlos Beltran was the only fish I let go that would have been keeper-worthy.

Draft: With my 7 hitter, 2 pitcher (including a closer) keeper strategy, I planned on focusing on starting pitching early on, and closers if I had the chance. Well the closers didn't come through, but I hit grand slams on the 4 pitchers I picked in my first 5 picks:

1.20 Ian Kennedy
2.04 Ricky Romero (although I admit wanting Matusz! lol)
3.04 James Shields
3.20 Alexi Ogando

Of course, as bh pointed out, Ogando was a closer reach (after hen snatched Walden, who I would have taken, with the pick before me) that turned into a 1st half bonanza.

I hit at 7.20 with Josh Willingham, who had a career year, but that was it! Thankfully the strength of my keepers and the sheer overwhelming magnitude of those top picks gave me a great base in which to be competitive this year.

Trades: I feel I made mostly fruitful, competent trades. I am aggressive and willing to pay the price to add the pieces I need to do. While I don't ignore future value, I am willing to "let it go" if I have to in order to get the piece I need to win. I've told blue hen a dozen times that I have always felt he has to sometimes realize that to get that key piece, sometimes you just have to pay.

I burned a few picks last year in making trades to win, compared to blue hen who had 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, including 3 in the first 22 picks.....so I knew I'd have to be aggressive.

- In March before the draft, I traded 2 prospect picks and a 2012 2nd for R9's 2nd, 3rd and 9th picks. Those prospect picks are a lot of value, but I felt I HAD to make a big move. Those two picks turned into Ricky Romero and James Shields. Home run.
- Needing steals, in May I traded prospect Casey Kelly (SP - SD) and Matt Moore (yes, THAT Matt Moore) for Rajai Davis. Obviously I needed steals. I got some from Davis before he got hurt.
- At the end of May I traded R9 my last prospect pick and a 3rd rounder for Valverde. At that point I had already had Sergio Santos taking over the CHW closer spot, and Valverde was perfect (literally in save opps) the rest of the way and a HUGE reason I won.
- On June 6th I made a huge move in trading Kennedy, Romero, Ogando and a 9th to Guru for Sabathia, Harang and a 14th. There was a point in time that I really regretted it, but in the end I still got 20 points in K's, ERA and WHIP and was 5th in wins, so it worked out for both. I got my top-10 starter in Sabathia (who went on a huge roll after that trade) and diversified my keeper assets.
- In July A-Rod underwent surgery and would be out quite a while. I traded an 8th for a 10th with R9 to get Ryan Roberts. At the time, (for some stupid reason) Roberts was battling Sean Burroughs for playing time, so I got Roberts pretty cheap. He certainly was worth quite a bit more than a "replacement" player....considering how little I got from A-Rod in the 2nd half of the year, Roberts was a lifesaver.
- On August 1st I seized an opportunity to help my OBP/HR/RBI (which had been slipping with no ARod) and traded NYY prospect Manny Banuelos and a 7th for Berkman and GL's 10th. While Berkman didn't go off, he was more than rock-solid in those categories and a nice little shot in the arm.

Daily management: I should have lost this league based upon poor daily roster management. A change of jobs mid-season did not help my attention (excuses, excuses) at gametime, and nobody knows how many stats I left on the bench when the tools to make these adjustments are sitting there on the website waiting for me to use them. I've learned my lesson.......a daily alarm during baseball season around 4:00pm Pacific to check for rainouts and days off in 2012!

I'll have a lot of work and wheeling and dealing to do in order to come close to doing it again. I have the keepers for sure, and some assets to trade in Valverde, Santos and possibly James Shields. It will be a fun offseason.

1137

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sat, Oct 01, 2011, 17:04

Same format.

Keepers

Hard to complain. The only keepers who didn't meet or beat expectations were Jon Sanchez, who had a good k rate before he got hurt, and Shin Soo Choo, who got hurt but brought Beckett in return. Sure, I should have kept Shields over Sanchez but I'm sure each of you would have done the same.

Draft

I had a ton of early picks and despite using the first two on Rodney and Barton, my draft was decent. Neil Walker brought me Daniel Hudson and I lucked into Jordan Walden. Happ and Carrasco may have killed my pitching rates, so that wasn't great.

Trades

As mentioned, Choo for Beckett, Walker for Hudson, and Shelby Miller for Putz gave my pitching a shot in the arm. Looked at several other deals for pitching, and I guess I should have taken at least one, but really thought I could win with what I had. I disagree with Species- I felt it was important to hold onto my core and I'm very glad I did.

Day-to-day

I am one of the strongest day-to-day managers out there, as evidenced by my TSN record. Looking at my Active Stats, I did quite well this year, and it was my biggest advantage over Species. My happiest moment was in September- Species had caught me in runs, so I picked up a bunch of players on a sparse day, and they got me seven runs. Also happy I picked up Ross Detwiler last Monday- six innings and no runs.

Overall, I have to be happy about 2011 but I'm more than eager for 2012 to start.

1138

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 09:39

Anyone up for some offseason banter?

1139

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 09:49

I'm coming for the co-champs. I'm taking you both out.

1140

R9
ID: 2854239
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 02:07

I already miss checking up on how my prospects are doing in the minors everyday... At least hockey is back. :)

1141

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 23:04

Go Sharks!

I have some really strong guys to trade.

1142

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Oct 14, 2011, 09:32

Silly R9. Didn't you know you can follow the Arizona Fall League?

Oh and yeah, hockey. Guess who's still undefeated?

1143

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Oct 24, 2011, 11:15

Wow, that Derek Holland guy is pretty good - shutting out the Cardinals the day after they scored 16 runs. I wonder who has him in G20.

1144

Peter N.
ID: 48592919
Tue, Oct 25, 2011, 20:27

Go Rangers!!!! After all of the long suffering seasons, its amazing they are one win away.

1145

Nerfherders
ID: 417531814
Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 11:17

I had him and I dropped him cuz he sucked in the first half of the season. And my team has no pitching at all!

1146

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 15:16

Well here's your chance to get him back!

1147

R9
ID: 99272420
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 14:01

Was thinking about how heartbreaking that game must've been for you to watch Pete, but man what a series! I like both teams so I don't really care who wins... I'm just hoping for another nailbiter.

1148

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 14:22

I just keep thinking that Peter N. jinxed the Rangers with post 1144.

1149

Peter N.
ID: 19323119
Mon, Oct 31, 2011, 20:32

RE: 1148 - It sure looks like it! Congrats to the cards.

1150

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 23:09

Reyes to Marlins?

Looks like Ref finally get the third baseman he's been begging for! LOL

1151

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 01:16

Now I can be w/o a shortstop! To think that I passed on SS in P draft too.

1152

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Dec 07, 2011, 12:00

I don't think Jurickson Profar would have helped your team too much this year.

1153

Peter N.
ID: 121151919
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 21:06

All I want for Christmas is for the Rangers to sign Fielder.

1154

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 22:02

Geez Pete........you got Darvish already. Greedy bastard!

Sergio Santos has been freed of schizophrenic Ozzie Guillen's revolving closer circus, being traded to Toronto (who got rid of wannabe closers Francisco and Rauch) where he is the undisputed MAN. Both he and Jose Valverde are available to closer-needy teams.

1155

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 22:38

All I want for Christmas is for the Mariners to sign Fielder. Maybe then they'll get 81 wins in 2012.

1156

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Dec 21, 2011, 09:48

All I want for Christmas is to get something for Hanukkah. And for the Phillies to sign Fielder.

1157

Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Dec 29, 2011, 13:48

That Bailey trade sure was a lump of coal for the Bard and Melancon owners.

That means closer-needy teams need to form a line for Santos or Valverde at my door.

1158

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Dec 30, 2011, 17:09

Houson Street is also available.

1159

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 00:13

Q and Alonso both go to petco park -- a hitter's stat killer...

1160

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 12:07

Yeah. My gamble of keeping Bard has blown up in my face. That said, I didn't have much else of value to actually keep, going into last year. At this point neither Bard or Adams are keeper worthy just because their teams don't seem to want them to be closer. The trade of Adams at the trade deadline last year was probably a bigger shock to me.

1161

Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Jan 08, 2012, 18:09

I wonder if a package of Beckett, Walden, and Putz could get me a hitter to replace Braun...

1162

Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, Jan 13, 2012, 20:33

Michael Pineda traded to the Yankees!! Huge value change for R9. Jesus Montero to Seattle. Wow.

1163

R9
ID: 280231323
Sat, Jan 14, 2012, 00:23

Mariners are nuts, but okie dokie!

1164

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Jan 14, 2012, 01:37

As the only Mariner fan here, I think it's a good trade for the Ms. And a good trade for the Yankees.

Mariners have pitching, and no hitting (including the minors). Prince Fielder likely won't come to Seattle, and all the other notable hitting free agents are gone this year. And now, the Mariners can sign Oswalt or Edwin Jackson to replace Pineda, while waiting for Hultzen and Paxton to come up. And maybe they'll sign some hitting in 2013, and finally have a competitive team again.

Pineda was fun to watch last season, but only has two pitches (fastball & slider), and no changeup. He missed most of 2009 with an elbow injury, and I personally thought 171 innings last season was too heavy a workload.

And since we still have Felix, there are about 25 reasons to go to Safeco this year (17 Felix starts and 8 bobblehead nights).

1165

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jan 14, 2012, 13:12

I agree with Tosh completely and am confused by R9's comment. I don't think there's a scout-type that doesn't think Montero is a legitimate big-time stick. While you can debate the value of someone with so little defensive value, looking at the Mariners they have NOBODY on the team and nobody in the minors with Montero's bat/power grades (with the POSSIBLE exception of Justin Smoak if he returns to his minor league glory). Yet, as Tosh notes, they still have Felix and some pretty decent pitchers coming up. No, I don't think Hultzen or Paxton grade out as high as Pineda, but you have to give up something to get something.

From the Yankees perspective, it is HARD to see a stick like Montero go, but they needed thet pitching so much more.......and the DH spot necessary for ARod and Jeter in upcoming years, it's a reasonable risk.

Even if Pineda's a solid #2 for years......it's going to sting to watch Montero rake for 10 years.

1166

R9
ID: 360311911
Sun, Jan 15, 2012, 02:58

I see Pineda as a prospect who is now established, while Montero is a prospect who still has to prove his worth. There are tons of examples of flameouts of the latter. Far less so of the former.

Mostly though, rebuilding teams can make win-now teams pay more if they want to. The Mariners could've and should've received more back imo.

1167

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jan 17, 2012, 09:15

I have no faith in Montero being a all star caliber hitter in Seattle. I don't think he'll be anything more than average.

1168

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Jan 17, 2012, 09:50

Smoak is actually a good comp for Montero. Sometimes it just doesn't translate. Of course, sometimes it does. We just don't know.

We just don't know about Pineda either but looking at young guys traded this year - Gio, Cahill, etc - you'd think Pineda would have commanded more.

1169

Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Jan 17, 2012, 19:53

Victor Martinez -- torn ACL -- possibly missing a majority of the season :(

I guess that's karma after the Braun suspension? Fantasy Gods' way of evening the G20 playing field??

A team might want to consider a speculative investment in Victor......for a reduced cost now, he would have greater value later when he comes back this season. You could spin him to a contender down the stretch, or to a team leading into the 2013 season. Inquire within.

1170

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Jan 19, 2012, 16:10

The cat knocked this piece of paper off the bulletin board so I thought I should post the information here since our home page does not list all the transactions I made this season.

No one can say I didn't try to win it all...

Pick #:
1 -- to R9 (Lee)
2
3 -- to R9 (Lee)
4
5 -- to BMD (Farnsworth)
6
7 -- to GO (Niemann)
8
8 -- from R9 (Lee)
9 -- to mjd (M Young)
9 -- from R9 (Lee) to mjd (Vogelsong)
10
11
11 -- from GO (Niemann)
12
12 -- from BMD (Farnsworth)
13
13 -- from mjd (Vogelsong)
14
14 -- from mjd via bh (M Young)

1171

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Jan 19, 2012, 16:14

Best of luck to whomever has to figure out the draft order...

Note that we did make it work out on Drafttime...for football.

So, in summary, my picks for this season are: 2,4,6,8,8,10,11,11,12,12,13,13,14,14

I am gonna need a lotta luck to even reach the mid point of the standings this year! Yipes!!

I might have some decent leftovers after keepers that someone might want for draft upgrades. Will post here once keeper lists are required.

1172

Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Jan 24, 2012, 18:23

And THERE is our mystery team!!! 9 years, $214 million from Detroit? Seriously, who was biding more than $160M?? Wow!!!

1173

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 31, 2012, 23:53

It's turning February. Pitchers and catchers are reporting in a few weeks, and Team Species has been planting a few seeds here and there about G20 Baseball trades.

I have a variety of assets available for keeper upgrades, picks, prospects, anything:

Prospect picks: I have all 3 prospect picks available. They can be considered for picks in the draft, or perhaps better for players after the draft.

I am most likely keeping Felix, CC, Rivera, AGonz, ARod (mainly because he'd have so little value to anyone else) and BJ Upton. I have tons of other guys who are all legitimate keepers depending upon the makeup of your team:

Mark Teixeira: I'm certainly not looking to trade him per se, but with AGonz on board he is a position duplication. While his stubbornness in hitting into the shift Yankees blog has harmed his BA and OBP, he's a shoo-in for 100 runs and 100 RBI with 35 homers. He's only 31.

Kelly Johnson: Struggled in AZ, but reborn in Toronto where he hit .270 with a .364 OBP. He still had very strong counting stats in 2011 w/21 homers and 16 steals.

Ryan Roberts: Eligible at 2b and 3b, Roberts clubbed 19 HR and stole 18 bases with a respectable .349 OBP.

Josh Willingham: Exiled to pitcher-friendly Oakland in 2011, he signed a deal with Minnesota to be a key cog in the middle of their order. Willingham clubbed 29 homers and drove in 98 for a pathetic A's team, and is primed for another solid year for the Twins.

Sergio Santos: Don't read anything into the signing of Francisco Cordero. Santos is the closer they traded for, a move that has been universally lauded by a variety of ESPN-types (Law, Bowden, Karabell) as a deft trade to acquire a low-mileage reliever who is under team control for years. Santos struck out 92 men in 63 innings and saved 30 games last year.

Jose Valverde: Big Papa Grande was a perfect 49 for 49 in saves with a 2.24 ERA last year. The Tigers are primed for a 95-win season so Valverde should get plenty of saves.

James Shields: Shields is EASILY a top-20 pitcher in this league and is a legit keeper for anyone playing in front of one of the best defenses in the league. 2.82 ERA, 225 strikeouts, 16 wins and a 1.04 WHIP. Those were top-5 numbers last year and he's only just turned 30.

Ted Lilly: Constantly undervalued, shook off a slow start to post a 3.97 ERA and a 1.16 WHIP. He's pitching in a top pitchers park in the best division for pitchers in baseball.

Inquire within!!

1174

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Feb 04, 2012, 12:02

For some inexplicable reason I left out:

Alexei Ramirez: While flawed in OBP, otherwise Ramirez is a consistent producer in counting stats: 15-18 home runs, 70-75 RBI, 75-80 runs and (usually) 13-14 steals. All of this while averaging a steady and reliable 149 games played over his career. Not much upside generally, but he's very consistent. Easily a top 12 SS in this league.

1175

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Feb 06, 2012, 18:03

I have three closers: Madson, Wilson and Farnsworth. Currently planning to keep Madson even though he is no longer a Philly plus one of the other two.

Will accept draft pick upgrades for one of the others...

1176

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Feb 06, 2012, 22:24

To someone needing a 2B ... I will have Neil Walker or Jemile Weeks available.

1177

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 07, 2012, 09:38

I am looking to move these players:

Josh Beckett, SP, BOS

Jordan Walden, RP, LAA

Paul Konerko, 1B, CWS

JJ Putz, RP, ARI

Derek Holland, SP, TEX

Jonathan Sanchez, SP, KC

Wilson Ramos, C, WAS

Jordan Lyles, SP, HOU

Matt Kemp, OF, LAD

1178

Great One
ID: 340592712
Tue, Feb 07, 2012, 10:03

I can't seem to get in to look at my team... are they anywhere else other than ESPN?

1179

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 07, 2012, 22:08

The league has been activated, and you can access your teams.

1180

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Feb 09, 2012, 17:18

Keith Law's top 100 came out today. Anyone interested in #14 Arodys Vizcaino?

1181

Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 12:22

If any opens come up, please keep me in mind.

1182

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 17:01

Wazaap guy asked me to post the same thing for him...

1183

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 22:05

1181, 1182 -- it's nearly time to get a roll call going and new preseason thread started. Perhaps this weekend.

1184

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Feb 14, 2012, 14:10

From ESPN Insider today, projected RC/27 for sophomores:

1. Hosmer, 2. Lawrie, 3. Belt, 4. Goldschmidt, 5. Freeman, 6. Allen Craig, 7. Wilson Ramos, 8. Dustin Ackley, 9. Desmond Jennings.

I'm looking for a 4th rounder for Ramos. Any takers?

1185

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Feb 14, 2012, 16:49

pitchers and catchers in 5 days...

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