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| Posted by: Great One
- [36213210] Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 09:51
Guys, I think its something in that Dirty Dozen thread that tries to download something to my hardrive here at work and probably sent that spam from me.
Can someone please email me or post here all the keepers. Barilko already sent me the trades so I am inputting them and the draft order right now. Then I'll do keepers and we can maybe unlock this thing with no clock this afternoon. |
| | | 1 | Great One
ID: 36213210
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 10:20
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FYI - I highly suggest you are do the Pre-Rank thing. It takes some time to order a hundred guys or so. But once you do it, you can use that general list for all of your drafts on Kafenatid for that sport. And when you make pick sqpecific ques you can attach that list to work of quite easily.
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| | | 2 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 10:57
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My comp at home (in from work right now) won't let me into rotoguru message forums. I get a message saying its blocked due to suspicious activity. However, I never opened the email from GO at home, only at the office. I've run avast and malwarebytes and found nothing on my comp.
The page itself that say I'm blocked is suspicous. It keeps referencing google blocking, but I don't use google. I use yahoo. The formatting just looks suspicious as well.
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| | | 3 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 14:49
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Barilko was nice enough to enter keepers. I am turnin the draft on shortly with no clock. Goal is maybe we all get our pre-rank set, get familiar with the new site the next couple days, maybe get a couple untimed rounds done this weekend. I will turn the clock on Monday at 9 AM EST
2011 Draft Trades have been applied so we can clean the slate again.
PeterN 17th for Astade 6th
PeterN 13th for Holt 7th
DaBomb 8th for Barilko 6th
Barilko 5th for PD 1st
PD 3rd for Blue Hen 17th
PD 4th for DPR 14th
Barilko 7th for GO Last round
Please copy the below list in this thread as we go along, it really helps out.
2012 DRAFT PICK TRADES
None
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| | | 4 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 15:44
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Looks like we can include draft picks in the offers on the website during the season. Hopefully that works and we don't even have to track like the above.
the new and improved...
The Dirty Dozen League Constitution
Entry Fee = $20 (Due by Opening Day)
7 keepers
Keeper Deadline will by 11:59 PM the Wed. before March Madness (roughly March 16th starting in 2012) or they will be picked for you.
Any trade or keeper change after that will not be accepted.
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List
Payouts = 240 pot
1st Place 160
2nd Place 50
3rd Place 20
Kafenatid 10
Trade Review
Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.
Categories & Positions
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new)
SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Trade Deadline
Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends)
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| | | 5 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 15:47
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Let me just make sure I have the rule right. The Phillies are playing at 7 and the Rockies are playing at 10. At 7:20, I can't take Carlos Gonzalez out of my lineup?
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| | | 6 | barilko6
ID: 42251314
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 15:51
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BH, I am pretty sure you can pull anyone out provided their game hasn't started.
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| | | 7 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 15:53
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Where did you read that? Players freeze at their appropriate game times, as it always was in the past.
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| | | 8 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 15:53
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Then what's Daily/Tomorrow?
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| | | 9 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 15:55
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You add a guy, he is on your team next day.
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| | | 10 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 15:56
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Remember we have an extra $10 to throw into the prize pool this year. Should we take the $10 draft fee and add in a 1 time payment of $10 to 4th or sweeten the pot of 2nd or 1st?
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| | | 11 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 16:51
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I'd probably either tack on to 1st (170 means they actually net 150) or donate to Rotoguru. I was considering something we do in my other work leagues as a way to take that 10 dollar Kafenatid fee out of it each year.
Last place pays the 10 for next years draft. A little motivation to stay active all season, stay out of the gutter and not tank.
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| | | 12 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 16:51
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Thanks to Khahan for donating his earned free draft as well.
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| | | 13 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 16:52
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Going to turn things on. Everyone please doublecheck your keepers before making any picks.
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| | | 14 | astade
ID: 78462922
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 23:51
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where is brian mccann on draft time?
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| | | 15 | dpr
ID: 28242411
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 12:42
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kept, by tree
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| | | 16 | holt
ID: 17241413
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 14:41
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can someone post a link to the draft site please? Thanks!
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| | | 17 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 17:03
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Draftime
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| | | 18 | Great One
ID: 17214310
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 17:04
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Anyone remember how long a clock we go with? 4 hours, 6 hours? just want to leave myself a note for Monday when i get to work to flip that on.
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| | | 19 | dpr
ID: 37210513
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 14:16
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RIBC normally is 8 I believe so I doubt we were doing 4. DOnt remember for sure though.
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| | | 20 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Mar 05, 2011, 14:54
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I thought RIBC was 6 hours, but even if it is not, I would prefer a 6 hour clock.
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| | | 21 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 11:52
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RIBC is six. Pretty sure we were at four last year, and I don't see too many compelling reasons to go longer than that.
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| | | 22 | Great One
ID: 4867520
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 09:21
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Let's turn it on for six for now.
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| | | 23 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 11:52
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like the rivera pick. Wont see too many ranking with him at #9 for closers (is there a way we can get Paps' position switched?)
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| | | 24 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 11:58
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Thanks dpr. I'll be honest w/ my round 1 pick I was really torn between heath bell, mariano rivera and hunter pence. Bell is ranked as the #2 closer and Rivera as the #3 at either yahoo or espn (forget which one I was scanning).
I didn't really want to go w/ another OF there because there is a ton of talent, but I just couldn't pass up a legit 5-cat contributor. Jeter was also high on my list of considerations. But again, raw stats I expect better from pence. Glad at least of those guys came back around to me.
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| | | 25 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 12:06
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I considered rivera too but since my team isnt ready to compete I felt the need to draft for upside (although not as much as last year)
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| | | 26 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 13:45
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I drafted Jonathan Papelbon, RP. I am not sure why he came up as a catcher.
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| | | 27 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 13:59
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some players seem to default to catcher unless you manually override it. same thing happened for me with rivera.
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| | | 28 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 14:06
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You need to pick their position when you pick a player. Click into your team, then the player to edit after the fact.
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| | | 29 | holt
ID: 24239713
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 14:39
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working right now. what pick are we on? thanks
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| | | 30 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 14:47
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you are up 2.11
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| | | 31 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 11:36
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GO-I had been thinking about Bryce Harper since he was drafted by Washington last year, but decided not to pick him when I did not trade upto 1.01. I thought that he would go in the 1st round and was surprised he lasted until now. Harper will be a star in the majors within 2 years. Great pick.
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| | | 32 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 11:38
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Yeah, nobody really stands out to me right now, so I figure its worth investing a bit in my long term.
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| | | 33 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 12:20
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I am not sure I really like the pick for a team that will be looking to contend. obviously your team will be hurt this year as a result of the pick. For next year you will need to put him on your keeper list over someone like cruz or hanson (your worst keepers now). The guy will be a 19 likely looking at Super2 call up. How effective can he be? Certainly less so than the alternative for you to keep. Posey last year wasnt even close to top 100 value so the first time that you could get keeper value is 2013 and he will still be 20 years old. Seems you are sacrificing alot short term in hopes that he fulfills his potential in a couple seasons. Just my opinion of course.
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| | | 34 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 12:36
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That also presumes my keepers next year will look like this year, and we all know i trade so much thats unlikely. I'm cool with him as my 7th and getting less than a full year from him next year.
But he's also awfully good trade bait to a rebuilding team, and that could be just as valuable at some point this year.
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| | | 35 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Mar 08, 2011, 13:09
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Trades certainly can change things, just as things stand you are hurting yourself this year and next year. however if he meets his potential after that...
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| | | 36 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 16:40
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Pete wants Grady Sizemore with this pick. I'm not a DP for him. Can someone make it?
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| | | 37 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:02
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So loki took the guy pete wanted. Are we just not honoring his proxy pick? We need to hold upotherwise...
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| | | 38 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:03
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well nvm we are on pete again
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| | | 39 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:04
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And now Loki took him. Pete texted me his pick...
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| | | 40 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:07
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It does look like lokis pick was automated though right? Thats what the computer means?
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| | | 41 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:08
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Also if loki cant get sizemore, it seems plausible he would go for another OF like jackson or bay...
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| | | 42 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:23
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i'm going to say that other than his proxy pick, you can't remove picks from the board. it presents the situation where someone could pick someone already picked, solely to prevent that guy from getting who he wanted.
bad precedent.
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| | | 43 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:31
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At the same time why should loki be punished because Pete wasnt able to make his pick? maybe his queue (and i believe his pick was made from one) had Bay (or jackson) listed second? Why does Loki miss his guy? i am notsure it is really a precedent that would really come up again...
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| | | 44 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:32
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Its great that Pete sent somebody his pick, but this boils down to - where was his queue? All of us knowing his pick doesn't do diddly if he didn't have a proper queue set up so t he pick could be entered for him.
If he had set up a queue and nobody bothered to make the pick for him, I may think differently. But I'd have a hard time imagining the managers in this league not doing that.
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| | | 45 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:33
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I have Pete's next guy too. Hopefully he shows up soon
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| | | 46 | barilko6
ID: 47250919
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:50
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Agreed. We can all set up queues and assign DPs to enter picks for us. I say the draft continues as is.
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| | | 47 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 20:58
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I just got home, and Sizemore was automatically picked by the Draftime program for me. I see no reason why I should not keep the player. It is unfortunate that Pete did not set up an auto-queue or select a DP, but telling another manager that you want a player and expecting to get him without doing either of these is not right.
Besides this gives me the opportunity to have 3 players on the DL at the start of the season--Sizemore, Greinke and Utley.
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| | | 48 | Peter N.
ID: 0233218
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 21:38
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Hey all - I had queues setup for each pick, but it appears I didn't turn the autopick on. I timed out and loki picked Sizemore. Its my fault for not turning the autopick on. I'm fine with loki keeping Sizemore.
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| | | 49 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 00:24
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Ok cool. All that ends well.
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| | | 50 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 09:32
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I was trying to work on this from the DMV which was proving difficult. Fred tells me only DP's can make picks, not the Admin/Commish... so it wasn't just that i couldn't find where to do it on my phone.
So I guess everyone please add me as a DP at least... and maybe a couple others who go right after you if you think there is a chance you can't make a pick.
Thankfully Pete got a similar OF, so not really a huge difference in the player and now we know.
I have asked him to check about letting the Admin's add or re-do picks for everyone automatically.
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| | | 51 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 09:44
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That's a pretty impressive outfielder (and Papi) run - Quentin, Ortiz, CLee, Hart, Wells, Sizemore, AJackson, Bay, and Abreu all in a big flurry. I think I got the best guy of the bunch, so that's good.
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| | | 52 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 10:10
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BH, you always get the best guy, we all know that.
Every year it amazes me that we manage to beat you with the lesser talent we are left with.
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| | | 53 | barilko6
ID: 56225109
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 10:25
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That is obviously due to underachievement and injuries though.
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| | | 54 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 18:47
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Re: 52 - that's because I'm the best fantasy player, right? I have no doubt about that one. Certainly much better than Holt or Da Bomb.
Khahan is up - I think he actually posted in another forum. He has a queue but it's unavailable.
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| | | 55 | holt
ID: 27258119
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 10:59
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dpr - Morrow was a probably a nice pick. I thought I could take him later in the draft but that was just stupid. Guess I thought his overall stats from last year would let him fly under the radar. I know BH likes those high ERA/whip/K guys so I figured I was just competing with him.
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| | | 56 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:12
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Yep, like Trevor Cahill.
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| | | 57 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 11:28
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holt, Morrow for me was just about the upside. I think it is likely that he doesnt match that pick, but the possibility of him greatly exceeding it was too tempting.
Blue gotta lower the ERA somehow and we know all those relievers cant do anything. he was a good pick though. Seemed to slip pretty far.
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| | | 58 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 12:49
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I'd had Chapman on my radar for a while, and almost took him the last couple picks. Hard to say how good he'll be, but he'll sure be exciting.
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| | | 59 | barilko6
ID: 272501112
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:50
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I can't get onto Drafttime. Is that just me?
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| | | 60 | barilko6
ID: 272501112
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:50
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Check that, I just got on.
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| | | 61 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 16:46
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You guys are great drafters! This draft is breezing by. I like that we start early and can be almost done by the time other drafts get going.
Overall, I'm quite please with this draft. I even managed to get a closer for now (League) and a closer for later (Bard), and some potential wunderkinds in Freeman and Wieters.
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| | | 62 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 09:55
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Will there be a Barilko season preview? I can handle mine to give you a headstart.
Great One got his team name back, and thats about his only improvement. But he's good at waiver wire pickups so that'll land him a top five. But he just can't win it all without having a great closer give him 40 great IP like the always consistent Jon Broxton...
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| | | 63 | barilko6
ID: 320159
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 10:00
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That is incredibly weak. Not a single joke in there.
If we finish and have it entered into Yahoo before Friday I can write them up. Otherwise, sadly, I will have to leave it to someone else.
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| | | 64 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 10:03
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True - Jon Broxton has consistently finished out of first place in Dirty Dozen. But don't kid yourself - last year's 62 IP was a career low.
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| | | 65 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 10:13
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Consistent relief pitchers are a joke. Unless they are a freak like Mariano. So there ya go.
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| | | 66 | barilko6
ID: 342361516
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:36
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Guys....Matt Treanor is a placekeeper for Mike Trout.
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| | | 67 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:14
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What if someone still needs a catcher?
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| | | 68 | barilko6
ID: 342361516
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:36
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They can pick some other schmo as a placekeeper and I will happily give them Treanor. Or is it schmoe?
I think its schmo.
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| | | 69 | barilko6
ID: 342361516
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:43
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With Chipper Jones and Mike Trout on the roster, this year my team name is looking like it could be...
Fish and Chips!
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| | | 70 | barilko6
ID: 8223168
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 09:23
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Good draft everyone! A few small pauses along the way, but all-in-all a very fluid and fast moving pace!
Looking forward to the season!
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| | | 71 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:10
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Nice draft. Should be especially competitive this year for second place.
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| | | 72 | astade
ID: 78462922
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:22
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that was the smoothest draft that I can remember for this league. I credit that to 'draftime'. Really great utility!
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| | | 73 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:20
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Agreed - thanks to everyone who set queues and such.
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| | | 74 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 09:12
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Going back to posts 10 and 11, did we decide anything officially? Somebody had proposed we donate the extra $10 to guru. I'd like to see that done. We got all the ribc drafts free thru guru. Would be nice to send a little something back.
Also, are we doing it that last place pays next years draft fee? GO mentioned that in post 11.
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| | | 75 | barilko6
ID: 2251188
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 09:51
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I am good with both of those suggestions
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| | | 76 | Great One
ID: 48281723
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 10:48
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I think we'll give the 10 to Guru in the winners name this year, and in future years - last place is buying our draft.
Kind of like a virtual version of my friends and family football - previous year last place brings the beer to the next draft :)
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| | | 77 | barilko6
ID: 2251188
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 11:02
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Guys, I am heading out for a week, so any emails sent my way may not be returned too quickly.
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| | | 78 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:47
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Lucky toronto.
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| | | 79 | Great One
ID: 48281723
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 22:08
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Gonna enter rosters tomorrow and will wait to "Begin Season" until... what do you guys think?
I was thinking the Monday 3/28. I hate having that extra week where people can add guys in spring training when nobody else is paying attention.
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| | | 80 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 23:58
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I like having the extra week to rework my roster if need be and do trades. Why punish those who are paying attention and reward those who aren't?
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| | | 81 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 00:07
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I think at the least there should be a few days after the first waivers runs before the season starts. Not sure where that puts us.
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| | | 82 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 10:13
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I vote for later but I'm fine with anything.
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| | | 83 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 11:25
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How about I get them entered this week, Begin Season on Friday or Saturday and then waivers clear by Monday 3/28...
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| | | 84 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:04
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i dont see why people who pay attention should be punished?
we start the draft early, we should start the pre-season early. that gap in the middle hurts those who do pay attention, and those who have players who have suffered injuries.
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| | | 85 | barilko6
ID: 302222111
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:22
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Yeah, I vote for earlier too. Otherwise next year start the draft later.
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| | | 86 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:46
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If a manager isn't t paying attention to their baseball team between the end of the draft and the end of spring training, they never will. Start it ASAP.
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| | | 87 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:51
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I vote to start earlier. My post-draft analysis of my team is that it is exceptionally weak and needs an early start to get a jump on fixing it.
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| | | 88 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 13:02
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My post-draft analysis of Blue Hens team is that it is exceptionally weak and needs an early start to get a jump on fixing it.
calling out other teams already?
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| | | 89 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 13:10
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Agree with posts 84-87.
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| | | 90 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 13:12
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Alright, I'll get turn this thing on as soon as I get a chance.
And yeah, we will be starting even later next year. I put in the contstitution update (post 4) we are gonna have keepers due at the same time your brackets are due Thursday of March Madness. Easy way to remember. March 16th-18th or so. We've come a long way in Dirty Dozen when we starting drafting in Feb. sometime after the Super Bowl. Thanks to Draftime.
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| | | 91 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 13:36
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Actually I like starting earlier - I want to at least vote on that...
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| | | 92 | holt
ID: 372562115
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 16:58
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I like starting earlier too. I don't want all drafts going at the same time.
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| | | 93 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 17:13
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agreed earlier is good. I could start a little later but dont want it running right til the end.
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| | | 94 | Great One
ID: 48281723
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 20:22
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Rosters have been entered, please check your rosters. Waivers on for 2 days
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| | | 95 | astade
ID: 78462922
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 23:08
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about time ;).... my roster is correct, thanks GO
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| | | 96 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 01:41
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Mine too. But, the waiver wire order needs correcting.
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| | | 97 | Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 08:45
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Waiver updated reverse of draft.
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| | | 98 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 10:46
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In the market for a SS.
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| | | 99 | barilko6
ID: 162352212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 13:35
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I should have Trout instead of my placekeeper Treanor.
I am looking to move one of my C (Mauer or Vmart, not Treanor) for a 1b/SP.
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| | | 100 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 13:42
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Hmmm. I don't have anyone who plays both, but I'll shoot you a 1b offer since I seem to have 3 guys who can play the position.
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| | | 101 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 13:52
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I think Micah Owings might still be a FA.
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| | | 102 | barilko6
ID: 13214239
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 10:14
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Micah Owings it is!
That guy has a home run in every 20 at bats in his career. Great numbers. And with his career batting avg., I would say he is more than .100 points higher than the average for his position.
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| | | 103 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 11:17
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Wasn't Owings an outfielder? John Olerud was a star pitcher in college. And Brent Mayne (fine, a catcher) won a major league game.
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| | | 104 | barilko6
ID: 13214239
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 13:18
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According to his Tulane bio, Owings was a pretty awesome hitter in both high school and college. Wonder why he stuck with pitching.
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| | | 105 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 13:26
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I meant outfielder rather than first baseman, which is what was requested.
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| | | 106 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 13:50
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From rotowire on 1/26:
The D-Backs intend to give Owings at-bats at first base this spring in addition to his innings on the mound in his bid to make the team as a reliever, the Arizona Republic reports.
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| | | 107 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 15:11
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GO, thanks for setting us up sooner rather than later. Trade offers already out to some managers and emails about a trade or two already received from some managers!
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| | | 108 | Great One
ID: 4733559
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 13:25
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never did get those barilko season previews... :(
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| | | 109 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 13:34
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There's a good reason for t hat GO - the final standings were blatantly obvious from day 1.
1. khahan
2-12. who cares
Actually after yesterday I'm surprised I'm not down a few notches. My offense was pathetic. So far I haven't had a really spectacular offensive day. But I've managed to have consistently solid days. Hoping I can keep that up.
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| | | 110 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 21:08
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I thought we might make it to the ASG without another post. Glad to see there is still some interest.
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| | | 111 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 21:15
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heh. I've just been too embarrassed about my team to post. Doing well tonight, but almost all my hitters have started ice cold.
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| | | 112 | Great One
ID: 36214199
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 22:19
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Standings are more like this
1 GO
2-10 everybody
11 blue hen
12 barilko
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| | | 113 | Great One
ID: 36214199
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 22:21
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We can also copy that prediction to be used in the best looking gurupie contest.
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| | | 114 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 17:15
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Just a heads up to everybody. In years past, yahoo has has projected starters marked 2-3 days out. I left for a weekend trip Friday and checked all my teams thru today. Not a single one had a start marked. Come in today and I have at least 1 starter on each team going (some teams have upwards of 3 starters).
Yahoo isn't projecting out starters anymore.
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| | | 115 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 21:03
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Position players too--it still shows ARod as starting tonight, though he was scratched and we're in the third inning already.
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| | | 116 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 10:22
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Wait. There is no way Barilko is behind me in any "best looking" contest. Have you seen that guy?
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| | | 117 | Great One
ID: 4733559
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 10:41
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If you aren't first, your last.
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| | | 118 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 12:01
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So I dropped Boggs so that I couldget Latos in the lineup for his start today, but apparently that doesnt take effect until tomorrow so i can't start him. Pretty annoying.
Also I am realizing that I still havent paid my dues yet. What is the process for this again?
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| | | 119 | Great One
ID: 4733559
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 12:04
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you can paypal or email me for my address
yes, if Yahoo doesn't fix that for next year, we'll definitely need to revisit a vote to switch to ESPN.
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| | | 120 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 12:05
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Yeah, the add/drop rules are pretty much the opposite of the ones we've adopted for G20. It doesn't like you can add a guy and play him today.
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| | | 121 | Great One
ID: 4733559
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 12:07
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on a side note, I never minded the guys freezing each night, I kind of looked at it like football where a guy was locked in if you played him. I think it made it great to make moves throughout the day immediately impacting your team. my catcher is sitting, i add his backup and get him in there.
but i can see how some who can only work on their rosters in the evenings would be inconvienced. it blows my mind that Yahoo doesn't get it. Yet.
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| | | 122 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 13:12
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So I dropped Boggs so that I couldget Latos in the lineup for his start today, but apparently that doesnt take effect until tomorrow so i can't start him. Pretty annoying.
this has always been the case in Yahoo, and it makes sense.
you dropped Boggs today - meaning that the roster change doesn't take effect until tomorrow. if you had dropped him yesterday, no problem.
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| | | 123 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 13:42
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Yeah, i don't see anything different about the switch compared to any other roster moves. Seems to have been handled the way every other Yahoo league defaults to.
However, I do believe Yahoo offers the option now to have same day or next day transactions (I think at least I read a snippet about that during spring training).
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| | | 124 | Great One
ID: 4733559
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 13:47
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Yes, Khahan - last year we switched to same day moves. Except it freezes players at their gametime each evening til the following morning. This was causing problems for some people who made moves in the evenings. So we switched back.
But by comparison, ESPN doesn't freeze anyone. If they haven't played yet, the move can be immediate. If a playesr game has started you can still add/drop but its just effective tomorrow. So nobody is every locked up and not allowed to be add/dropped.
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| | | 125 | holt
ID: 223551114
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 15:55
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That's all yahoo needs to do. make it so you can drop guys who have already played today.
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| | | 126 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 20:31
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Heh.
I wouldn't mind if Yahoo had the ability for you to switch positions for an already-played player. For example, to switch a guy from OF to UTIL (still active, just into another position). Sometimes we don't hear about guys starting the late games until well after the early games are over--allowing some switching around between active players would be a nice bonus for Yahoo.
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| | | 127 | Great One
ID: 113241019
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 21:35
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Thats a great idea. I bet that ESPN guy we know who is always improving his product might take a look at that.
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| | | 128 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 22:26
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I get the feeling that G20 is ESPN's test league.
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| | | 129 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 17:42
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Thanks for the tip. I haven't heard any discussions about that before, but I'm going to add it to the roadmap now. PD, for your trouble, I'll get you a beer six months ago.
By the way, I still use the Permissions Co. pen.
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| | | 130 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 18:45
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Yeah? Do you have the mug, too?
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| | | 131 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 19:19
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I kind of like that once a player is locked in for the day he is locked into the position you placed him in.
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| | | 132 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 12:33
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What if it was a league preference?
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| | | 133 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 13:40
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One thing about changing league hosting sites is the league history. Yahoo has our complete league history back to the first year. Its kind of nice to have that.
And now Yahoo can include draft picks in trades for keeper leagues. They are definitely improving.
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| | | 134 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 14:18
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I'd like the option, if possible.
Here's how it might arise: Say I've got a guy like Posey at C and VMart in the UTIL slot. VMart plays an early game, but Posey's game gets rained out before it starts. I'd like to be able to move VMart into the C slot, Posey to UTIL and then to swap him out for a guy on the bench who is actually playing that day.
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| | | 135 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 14:29
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I agree with PD. That would be great. Yahoo doesn't usually post the rainout until its too late.
Maybe if everybody emails into Yahoo that they would like this feature implemented. Its not something currently available.
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| | | 136 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 15:54
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Why not just put vmart into the catcher spot then before any games start if his game is earlier?
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| | | 137 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 16:09
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Typically I do exactly that, when possible. But often we don't hear about rainouts, players no starting, etc. until rather late in the game (so to speak).
And this comes up more often in some leagues I play in, for which there is no UTIL spot! In those cases you sometimes have to guess whether a game will be played or not.
What I'm asking for is the possibility of a little flexibility in moving active players around the positions for which they already enjoy eligibility, in order to plug in players because of a sudden non-start or rainout.
Of course (and you guys are too kind not to mention this) but my players are just not hitting. A damn thing. So the inability to plug in more hitters in a day is probably a bit of a blessing for me!
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| | | 138 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 18:53
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Well, you do have the kung-fu panda and Big Pappi Ortiz. It looks like those 2 guys are hitting the All-u-can-eat buffett at least daily.
Hey, its hitting something.
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| | | 139 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 20:03
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PD, shame you can't use a mulligan on that Beckett/Nelson Cruz trade ;)
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| | | 140 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 21:18
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Heh. Yeah. And I stuck with Beckett all last year, even after it was clear he just wasn't the same after finding he got traded to the Dudes.
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| | | 141 | holt
ID: 3044420
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 22:25
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The idea of being able to change a position after a game starts makes no sense to me. Just slot your early game players into the most restrictive position and leave yourself as many options as possible for the later games. Making the right lineup moves is part of the game.
Speaking of lineup moves, I wish I had benched Thornton, Sale, and Kennedy today. I've never experienced a pitching day like this before. As a group, they've given up 10 runs in 3 innings. Berkman just hit a grand slam. Make that 14 runs in 3 IP. Is it too late to bench Lilly?
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| | | 142 | holt
ID: 3044420
Wed, Apr 13, 2011, 22:39
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Make that 16 runs in 5 IP. Only giving up a run an inning now though. They're getting better.
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| | | 143 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 13:58
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My 6 hitter keepers are combining to hit .216. Wouldnt have expected it to be be a strength but maybe more then one guy could beat McCutchen's .230? Or hit their upside?
On the bright side the present BABIPs of .176(kinsler) .167(Heyward) .244(McCutchen).243 (Teixeira) and .229 (santana). Did they all need to start the year with bad luck?
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| | | 144 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 14:24
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Dpr, I'd love to make a trade. I feel like I'm sitting 1-2 starter quality players every day. Wouldn't mind a package to upgrade some of my young up & comers. Colby Rasmus, Hunter Pence, Logan Morrison, Ian Desmond (ohh, would definitely look at desmond + for a SS upgrade).
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| | | 145 | astade
ID: 78462922
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 00:13
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dpr, don't trade with the guy in 1st place...that never works out well ;)
i have tons of SP's for those that want top of the line pitchers. I'd like to trade Weaver, Garza or Garcia. send me an email.
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| | | 146 | Great One
ID: 113241019
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 08:12
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Khahan jumps back in and goes right to the top?! we should all take a year off haha...
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| | | 147 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 08:14
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A little R&R does the body good. And the team.
But like in my ribc league I can't help but think I'm riding a ridiculous surge right now. Berkman, Morrison, Rasmus all hitting at ridiculous levels that I'm not sure they'll maintain.
Only difference is here I have a number of players still under performing so I maybe when those first few cool off, the next group will step it up finally.
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| | | 148 | loki
ID: 611411
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 11:33
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Mid-level waiver positions are never able to get a top player, so I spent mine on Jerry Sands here and in my ribc league hoping the hype is accurate. I could reason that being able to claim him ahead of players who undoubtedly know more than me means he will not pan out.
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| | | 149 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 15:48
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And there goes Logan Morrison off to the DL. Hits me here and in RIBC.
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| | | 150 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 15:50
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At least it was only... Logan Morrison, and not someone like Josh Hamilton or anything.
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| | | 151 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 16:48
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Or you mean like Evan Longoria...oh wait.
And Morrison has been one of my best/most consistent players this month. I was having hope of a .300/25/90 rbi season from him.
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| | | 152 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 17:23
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i am itching to make a trade. lol. someone make me an offer! errr, a reasonable one!
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| | | 153 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 17:47
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I've been looking at it too, since my hitters started so cold. But I'm just urging myself into a little more patience, since they appear to be (slowly) breaking out of it.
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| | | 154 | Great One
ID: 134419
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 15:06
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is Broxton for sale?
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| | | 155 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 15:24
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is Broxton for sale?
We'll start the bidding at 1 bag of chips. Do I hear 1 bag of chips? Anyone a bag of chips?
Anyone?
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| | | 156 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 15:28
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I've got a ham sandwich here...
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| | | 157 | Great One
ID: 134419
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 15:37
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What if you drafted a combo of Broxton, Nathan, Franklin, Rodney, Lidge and Thorton 2 months ago?
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| | | 158 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 15:47
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Sold to PD for the ham sandwhich
And GO - I think you'd be doomed to failure anyway.
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| | | 159 | Great One
ID: 134419
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 15:49
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who knew Mitchell Boggs would be more valuable than all of them combined lol...
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| | | 160 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 15:56
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He's my only closer in my NL-only league. I am so screwed...
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| | | 161 | loki
ID: 37337299
Fri, Apr 29, 2011, 10:37
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Ryan Dempster's ERA and WHIP for his game yesterday were 189.0 and 24.0 respectively. That must be a record.
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| | | 162 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Sat, Apr 30, 2011, 17:40
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man Zimmerman was supposed to be like a week away when I traded for him. With the trade I really was looking to the future so it doesnt hurt me too much but it really does help trees side.
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| | | 163 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Sat, Apr 30, 2011, 21:32
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i saw that today his return is pushed back. reminds me of my WWE fantasy keeper league where my number one draft pick was Edge, and he retired the next day.
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| | | 164 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Mon, May 02, 2011, 20:56
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145
sorry
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| | | 165 | holt
ID: 3044420
Mon, May 02, 2011, 21:47
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Capps and Pence for Volquez? I don't get it.
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| | | 166 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, May 02, 2011, 22:08
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My 2 weakest categories are W's and K's. Volquez offers both and honestly has his best games ahead of him. His ERA so far has sucked but I do believe he's turning it around and over the course of the rest of the season don't think he's going to hurt me in those cats.
Pences stats I'm doing fine and can/will easily replace them with whats on my team.
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| | | 167 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, May 03, 2011, 14:09
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I'm with Holt. Ordinarily I would say that Khahan is so far ahead of me that I should just trust his judgment. But Holt questions it too and he's the 20 time defending champ.
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| | | 168 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, May 03, 2011, 14:20
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I don't get it either. He's got a decent SP corps but clearly needs some more bats (he now has no bench). So he trades his only closer and a young 25/15 OF for a Cincinnati SP?
I understand that Volquez brings a lot of K's, but also a stupidly high ERA. I'm not seeing a net positive on this one. His highest BA on the squad is now .258.
Not enough to overturn, of course. But a head scratcher.
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| | | 169 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, May 03, 2011, 14:55
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We must view the players on my team very differently (or be looking at different teams).
I have 4 closers and I viewed Capps as the weakest of the 4. Mo Rivera, Putz, and Storen still notching saves for me.
As for 'no bench' I wonder if you checked the right team. Today I have pence, Gaby Sanchez and Colby Rasmus sitting. I also trade 2 for 1 opening a spot to bring Longoria off my DL w/out dropping a player. Longoria slots into 3rd putting a productive Chipper on my bench. And Logan Morrison is due to come off the DL in the next few days as well.
Did I overpay for Volquez? Maybe. But I used spare parts and some of the very people knocking the trade flat out said no interest in Pence. Not even a counter offer. If he's that good to you, make a counter. :)
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| | | 170 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Tue, May 03, 2011, 15:03
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I think PD mixed up our teams and had Pence and Capps leaving my team I was without healthy bench hitters or a defined closer. however I am not sure how he can say good starters when I am last in ERA/WHIP.
I definitely am happy with the value that I got here, although I can see the possibility for this to help Khahans team as Pence was expendable and his team is one of the worst couple in k/9.
For my sake, I am definitely looking to the future, so with none of these players likely being keeper quality I question how I helped myself. It just comes down to which players are easier to trade on if it comes to it. Pence, while a solid contributor, is a pretty boring player and the lack of interest Khahan found my challenge me also.
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| | | 171 | Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, May 03, 2011, 15:04
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You think they'd be happy if they thought the 1st place team was getting worse if they really thought that. I personally never thought much of Pence and Capps is a throw-in, his saves won't have much impact since you already have 3 top ones.
I'm looking for a solid SP myself, got 3 good young 1B's to trade in Smoak, Ike or Wallace.
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| | | 172 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, May 03, 2011, 15:18
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my bad, dpr--I did have them in two different tabs for comparison and mixed them up.
Still, I just am not seeing the value in the trade. Again, not a biggie.
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| | | 173 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, May 03, 2011, 15:20
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GO: With Sandoval down for the next 6 weeks or so, I might throw something your way.
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| | | 174 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, May 03, 2011, 15:50
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With Longoria off the DL, chipper is expendable for me now if you need a 3rd baseman. :)
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| | | 175 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, May 03, 2011, 16:49
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Similarly, I'd be willing to part with either Placido Polanco or Rickie Weeks, since I can't play both in my 2B slot (and Youkilis isn't moving either).
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| | | 176 | Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, May 03, 2011, 17:14
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BH loves his OBP guys... Weeks, Dunn, Youk... no Daric Barton this year?
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| | | 177 | holt
ID: 3044420
Tue, May 03, 2011, 22:22
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Not to insult Khahan - I know there are a lot of people who see greatness in Volquez and he might get the last laugh. I just don't think I'd even pick him up from the FA pool at this point, based on his performance over the past 3 years or so. Capps is someone I'd very much like to trade for (hint). If Pence was an FA, I'd waste no time adding him to my roster.
As GO kind of pointed out, Khahan is in 1st place so there's nothing to complain about. When I first looked at the trade I figured it was Khahan getting Pence and Capps for Volquez and draft picks and my eyeballs almost popped out. Then I realized he was the one getting Volquez and it just made me scratch my head.
If anyone else wants to deal a closer, give me a shout.
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| | | 178 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, May 03, 2011, 22:45
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No offense taken holt. the views on this basically boil down to how people value volquez. But the important thing is I believe I did improve my team with this trade and I'm pretty sure dpr believes the same thing.
But if anybody else has any interest in any player of mine, the trade button is just 1 click away. If I get an offer I tend to try to give some kind of feedback at least.
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| | | 179 | holt
ID: 3044420
Sat, May 07, 2011, 14:59
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Was just checking the commish note - I owe $10 right? Can you post the paypal address for me? I'll send extra for the fees.
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| | | 180 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Sun, May 08, 2011, 17:24
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Gaby Sanchez is rotting on my bench. Somebody make an offer. SS/2nd and or draft picks. Will package him with lowrie, figgins and/or Ian Desmond for SS/2nd upgrade.
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| | | 181 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:12
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Ok, I'll trade players for round 9 picks next year. We had 7 keepers, which means round 16 on yahoo was our r9. Here's a sampling of who got drafted that round and their current ranking -
Lance Berkman (1)
Adam Lind (18)
Howie Kendrick (20)
Neil Walker (48)
Mike Aviles (57)
Trevor Cahill (27)
Thats 1/2 of the drafted players putting up top 60 overall rankings. Then there is also Napoli, the overall #5 catcher and CJ Wilson who is still ranked well above his draft position.
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| | | 182 | Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, May 10, 2011, 10:07
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Holt, you and DaBomb are good, I rolled your entry fee off last years winnings so you wouldn't have to pay anything this year. Then we increased by 10 bucks so I have you down for a -10 balance. So we can take that off any winnings this year or just start you and DaBomb at -30 next year.
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| | | 183 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, May 10, 2011, 18:13
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Most likely it will be the former option ;)
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| | | 184 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Wed, May 11, 2011, 11:47
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Khahan - I have Placido Polanco, who is much better than Mike Aviles. What kind of pick would you offer for him?
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| | | 185 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Wed, May 11, 2011, 13:21
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BH, I'm not going after polanco or aviles. I was simply commenting on how many players were taken in round 16 of our draft that are far out-performing their draft value.
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| | | 186 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Thu, May 19, 2011, 23:22
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Crap, I left Jason Giambi on my bench...
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| | | 187 | Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, May 20, 2011, 10:39
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Pumped that trade through... those draft picks look really nice in there. Easy way to build into trade offers. Although we need to think about this. We don't really have a 24 round draft when you consider keepers.
So perhaps we need to consider keeper rounds 17-24 so that a "1st Round Pick" still makes sense. Then you "last round" would we a 16th round choice.
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| | | 188 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, May 20, 2011, 12:05
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So perhaps we need to consider keeper rounds 17-24 so that a "1st Round Pick" still makes sense. Then you "last round" would we a 16th round choice.
Except that all the draft software considers keepers as the first few rounds so I tend to think of next years draft terms of keeper rounds 1-7 then our first pick round is round 8. As long as we're all on the same page I'm fine either way. But for a bit of consistency makes sense the other way.
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| | | 189 | Barilko6
ID: 164392011
Fri, May 20, 2011, 12:39
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Yeah I just put a really late round because I assumed it would be PDs last round pick
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| | | 190 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Fri, May 20, 2011, 12:59
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Yea definitely doesnt make sense the way that it looks now. Cant have picks 20 rounds apart as we don't pick that many rounds. Previously I know we had always refered to it as 1 and 17, but as long as the intent is clear and agreed upon, I doesnt make much of a difference.
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| | | 191 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, May 24, 2011, 09:34
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*now* can we agree it was a bad trade?
:)
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| | | 192 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, May 24, 2011, 10:33
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yeah. but I'm not dropping him. I'm hoping a stint in the minors will correct something. The talent is definitely there.
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| | | 193 | holt
ID: 3044420
Tue, May 24, 2011, 17:28
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I have S Drew and Granderson on the trade block. Only received one offer so far. Looking to improve my whip and ERA.
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| | | 194 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, May 24, 2011, 17:33
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I'm going to re-cast that offer, holt, now that de la Rosa has this arm injury.
pd
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| | | 195 | holt
ID: 3044420
Tue, May 24, 2011, 17:44
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Didn't see that.
What's up with Asdrubal this season? Drew is supposed to be my starter, but damn!
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| | | 196 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, May 24, 2011, 18:10
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Yeah holt, I had the opportunity in a few leagues to grab him b ut just didn't trust that when I finally noticed him he wasn't at the end of his hot streak.
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| | | 197 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Tue, May 24, 2011, 18:19
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I almost took Asdrubal right at the end of our draft, but took Pennington because Rotowire had him projected for like a million steals.
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| | | 198 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, May 24, 2011, 18:45
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I watched the last couple of Indians games--amazing. He's 8-9 with 3 dingers and 7 rbi the last two days.
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| | | 199 | holt
ID: 3044420
Mon, May 30, 2011, 16:19
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I just noticed that Astade has gone without a 3B on his roster the entire month of May! lol
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| | | 200 | astade
ID: 78462922
Mon, May 30, 2011, 18:02
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dammit holt!
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| | | 201 | Da Bomb
ID: 354163111
Tue, May 31, 2011, 12:20
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Ah, first place for the first time this season. Feels...right ;)
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| | | 202 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, May 31, 2011, 14:35
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Hey Congratz Da Bomb. I've seen you creep up on me on a few times over the past few weeks but felt pretty secure. A 5.5 point jump this late in the season is huge.
I'm just surprised I lost points. Yeah, I didn't have a great pitching night, but it was only 6 innings pitched. My hitting stats were looking pretty darned good. I was figuring I was in for a point gain.
Enjoy it today. Guess I needed a break but it'll be back to me tomorrow.
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| | | 203 | holt
ID: 3044420
Tue, May 31, 2011, 20:55
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khahan - you've seen we have free stat tracker now, right? the standings get updated in real time.
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| | | 205 | Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 09:42
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Sorry I won't be able to hang out at the top til September. You guys enjoy it up there though.
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| | | 206 | Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 09:54
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And are we coming back to earth on Asdribble yet? A week ago on ESPN they were saying he could be the next 30/20 guy... lets relax people. He ain't that good.
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| | | 207 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 10:52
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Other than the dingers, he's about on pace to mirror his 2009 season. High average, good sb's.
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| | | 208 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 13:49
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I'm thinking about cutting bait on Uggla. If someone wants to make me an offer on him I'd be glad to hear of it. Not looking for a keeper--a decent everyday player and/or a draft pick upgrade would probably do it.
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| | | 209 | holt
ID: 3253118
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 19:03
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Speaking of Asdrubal, he's available if anyone is looking to upgrade at SS. And no, I don't value him as a top 10 or whatever yahoo has him ranked at. I do think he has some value though. I'm just tired of comparing his matchups to S Drew's every damn day. I need to convert one of them into something else that I can get some use out of. If no one wants either though, I'll continue to juggle them the rest of the season.
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| | | 210 | holt
ID: 3044420
Wed, Jun 01, 2011, 21:44
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another 4 hits for asdribble. You know, upon further review, he broke his arm last May and was never quite right after that. Also, he's been around a while, but he's still only 25 yrs old. I don't think his 10 hr are a fluke. 30/20 might be pushing it but 20/20 is starting to look very possible. He's a switch-hitter and is around .300 from both sides of the plate.
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| | | 211 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 12:21
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Looking to offload a closer, if you're looking to add one.
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| | | 212 | holt
ID: 165181011
Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 12:18
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Drew for Hanrahan confirmed.
thanks BH. Hope it works out for both our teams. Now if I can just get Holliday and Wright back in action!
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| | | 213 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 12:37
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Holt, I left you a little message in the acceptance - hope you liked it.
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| | | 214 | holt
ID: 3044420
Sun, Jun 12, 2011, 12:39
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really? I'll look again.
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| | | 215 | holt
ID: 3044420
Sun, Jun 12, 2011, 13:18
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Hmm, I opened the trade once but didn't see any message. Maybe I just didn't notice it. I don't think I ever see trade rejection notices either though.
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| | | 216 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 10:17
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That's alright. Just pretend I said something funny and laugh. Nothing that the rest of the league needs to see.
That said, Holt is on the right track - I have closers to spare and other needs to fill. Let me know if you have something in mind.
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| | | 217 | Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 10:34
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That will likely be the best day of my season... a really nice Sunday.
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| | | 218 | holt
ID: 3044420
Mon, Jun 13, 2011, 19:31
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LOL
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| | | 219 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Jun 15, 2011, 11:47
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heading out to the phillies/marlins 1pm make up game. Great day for a ballgame!
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| | | 220 | Da Bomb
ID: 405551015
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 13:18
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Well looks like we have a double digit lead now fellas. Back to back years of runaway victories? #smacktalk
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| | | 221 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 13:27
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don't get too cozy. I may have slipped to 3rd, but all but maybe 3 of my hitters is slumping right now. I expect the Allstar break to help revitalize some of my players and roar right back.
Your lead is no bigger than my stranglehold was in the first month. We'll hack ya down to size soon enough.
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| | | 222 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 14:02
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Looks like my team's in not so great shape. Would be willing to ship out my older guys from pretty much anything. Not Pujols, mind you...
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| | | 223 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 16:49
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Wow, whats up with stolen bases this year? I was looking over my team and have 3 guys with 20+ SB already. Normally that would put me in the 10-12 point range. Its a pace for 140 SB (roughly).
Looking over historical standings, last year 140 would have me at 8 points. The prior few years before that would put me anywhere from 2nd to 4th in that category with only some outlier teams (160+SB compared to others having 120-130) above. In our inaugural season, 140 SB would have me in 1st by 14 SB.
This year, I'm not even competitive in the category putting up that pace. I'm stuck in the middle of the pack with a very long climb ahead of me.
Its always interesting looking back at old stats and seeing how times have changed.
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| | | 224 | Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 17:20
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More SB's, less HR's I'd venture to guess...
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| | | 225 | blue hen
ID: 534461110
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 18:00
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Great news! Edinson Volquez was sent to the minors today!
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| | | 226 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 21:28
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If it's any consolation Khahan, I'm sure the Reds regret their trade of Josh Hamilton for Volquez more than you might with yours.
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| | | 227 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 00:08
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last time EV got sent down, he came back and pitched 2 games really well. ;)
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| | | 228 | holt
ID: 3044420
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 02:11
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WHIP is the category that keeps catching my eye this season.
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| | | 229 | holt
ID: 566231915
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 16:23
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Alright I'll be the one to ask it. What the heck is Tree doing in first place?
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| | | 230 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 16:29
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Keeping it warm.
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| | | 231 | Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 16:31
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<----- For this guy.
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| | | 232 | Tree
ID: 41512710
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 17:55
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What the heck is Tree doing in first place?
good keepers, great trades, great waiver pick ups, good draft.
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| | | 233 | Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 09:04
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you forgot 200 more IP than GO...
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| | | 234 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 09:50
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I've given up on Jason Werth. If anyone wants to pick him up from me in the hopes he regains his keeper-like form drop me a note. Just looking for a draft pick upgrade at this point.
pd
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| | | 235 | barilko6
ID: 386472016
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 17:47
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Seeing what happens when PD gives up on one of his players and puts him on the trade block, I am announcing that starting tomorrow morning I give up on every guy on my roster and will be offering them for trade. I would do it today, but some of them have already played.
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| | | 236 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 18:00
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Heh. He's just anxious for me to get something, anything, for him in trade.
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| | | 237 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 08:05
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pd, maybe you should trade him to me for Edinson Volquez.
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| | | 238 | Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 01:03
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ok, i'm baffled.
i just saw someone trade a keeper from last season and a young speedster for a guy who is out for the season and another who hasn't played in more than 6 weeks....
huh?
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| | | 239 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 02:19
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I guess you place more value on whether someone was a keeper rather than how they perform (or, in this case, don't perform).
None of those guys are keepers for next year. Drew is trade bait for next preseason (there's no way I could keep both him and Castro).
In the end, I got a slight mid-draft pick upgrade. Plus perhaps more if a manager wants to roll the die on a then-healthy Drew next year.
Better than dropping Werth outright.
Meanwhile: Why was Kotchman sitting on the FA list?
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| | | 240 | blue hen
ID: 1631810
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 11:41
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Kotchman was just traded for Michael Young in G20. And then picked up on waivers in Dirty Dozen. You can't predict baseball, I guess.
Incidentally, there's little chance I actually keep Werth - so basically I just gave up my 7th rounder for a guy I'm unlikely to keep (or even start once Adam Dunn gets in gear), and for a guy who not only will I not keep but actually has some likelihood to hurt my 2012 draft position. For me, that's worth the risk I'm taking on Werth (no pun intended).
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| | | 241 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 17:16
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Also doesn't matter too much that Alcides Escobar is a "young speedster" since he's not much of a keeper himself.
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| | | 242 | holt
ID: 566231915
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 17:23
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The problem I had with Kotchman is that he's a 1B with no power and poor run production. He's hitting .333 but his career BA is only .267. I can't see ever starting him over Konerko or one of my hitters that regularly use in a util slot.
I thought that trade looked fine, btw. Nothing fancy. Makes sense.
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| | | 243 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Fri, Jul 22, 2011, 21:59
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Yea, would it really surprise anyone if Kotchman hit .230 the rest of the way?
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| | | 244 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Jul 25, 2011, 14:52
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On Tuesday 9 of my batters are playing against Lincecum, Verlander, Kershaw, Weaver and Cueto. The only one of the nine I will start is Grady Sizemore, and he is on the DL.
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| | | 245 | holt
ID: 566231915
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 17:15
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I'd just start all of em, unless I was really worried about batting average.
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| | | 246 | loki
ID: 5655229
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 20:18
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I decided to keep them on the bench which should guarantee great nights for all of them.
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| | | 247 | holt
ID: 4623210
Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 01:16
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Braves and Pirates in the 18th inning now. I see Prado is 0 for 8 with 8 LOB. That's gotta sting!
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| | | 248 | Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jul 27, 2011, 12:45
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I've got some injured keepers available - Buster, Josh Johnson... and young guys I can't keep all of -- Pineda, Ackley, Neil Walker.
Looking for a power OF/3B bat and some solid SP to give me some quality IP.
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| | | 249 | blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 12:18
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Just noticed the Khahan/Da Bomb trade. Khahan's ahead of me, so I have no business judging him, but it seems like he could have gotten more for a great (if aging) hitter and entrenched closer than two lousy players who have overachieved this year. I'd love to hear his rationale for wanting Vogelsong and Joyce.
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| | | 250 | Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 13:51
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Has Asdribl fallen back to earth as I predicted? 3 HR's and 1 SB since mid June with a .270 AVG.
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| | | 251 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 14:05
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joyce vs berkman - obviously berkman is better this year, but joyce gives me a few more steals, has less injury risk and better long-term keeper value. While I like berkmans power bat, he's an injury risk the rest of this year and I have no problem with Da Bomb taking on that risk.
isringhausen vs vogelsong - izzy is 1 of 4 closers. Vogelsong will give me more k's and w's than izzy and won't kill my era (in fact, should help it).
Without the keeper potential of joyce I don't know that I do this trade. I think berkmans good for next year if he stays healthy (thats a bit of an 'if').
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| | | 252 | blue hen
ID: 1631810
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 14:09
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I'll take the under on you keeping 0.5 of Joyce.
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| | | 253 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 15:41
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For what it's worth I have no intention of keeping Berkman. Anyone is free to send me an offer after the season if you think he will repeat.
Not sure about Vogelsong's keeper outlook but he's the real deal this year. He's been great all season and I think he's well past the overachieving for a few starts phase.
In the end, khahan got 2 all stars for 1, and that's all that matters. ;)
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| | | 254 | holt
ID: 566231915
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 17:55
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re 250 - Asdrubal has been consistently at an OPS around .800 every month but May when he had a .947 OPS. I think of him as an .800 OPS guy. Not sure how many shortstops you can say that about (and he's only 25 yrs old).
Obviously he's not 1st rd pick material but i think he's raised himself to being keeper material. .289/17/61 with 62 runs and 13 sb's and that's with a struggling lineup surrounding him.
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| | | 255 | holt
ID: 40711121
Mon, Aug 01, 2011, 22:11
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btw GO - thanks for calling out Asdrubal. 3-5 2 HR 4-rbi tonight.
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| | | 256 | Great One
ID: 36214199
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 00:49
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I should have inspired him the week after I played vs him in a head to head league...
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| | | 257 | Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 10:09
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and he did it vs. my Sox as a bonus. jerk!
Holt, a 7.5 jump in one day this late in the season is pretty crazy.
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| | | 258 | blue hen
ID: 1631810
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 11:05
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Justin Upton, Albert Pujols, and Carl Crawford haven't done anything lately. Those guys are bums and I should drop them.
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| | | 259 | Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 11:29
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If Asdrible had a track record close to any of those guys I'd be inclined to agree. I tend to lean towards he had a hot May/June.
His best season prior to now was .308, 6 HR, 68 RBI, 17 SB's... one slightly above avg year prior to this. Other two years he +.260 with no power or speed. He hit .262 in April this year, and .266 in July surrounding those 2 very hot months.
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| | | 260 | holt
ID: 566231915
Tue, Aug 02, 2011, 17:13
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re 258 - I agree - drop em. no wait - let me check my waiver priority.
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| | | 261 | loki
ID: 5655229
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 17:59
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Da Bomb-NY media is reporting that MLB is investigating reports that ARod has been playing in prohibited high stakes poker games and could face suspension. MLB's double standard.
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| | | 262 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 10:20
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Time for another trade.
Kinsler is an upgrade in all respects but BA over sizemore/johnson. He's pretty much break even in BA.
Peralta is a power, run, rbi and BA upgrade over desmond at SS and the SB I lose I gain back in kinsler over sizemore.
Felix is better than latos on the y2d numbers. But over the past month Latos has more k's, a better era and a better whip. Slight downgrade, but not a huge one and has keeper potential for next year with Kinsler. This one is less about risk than some of my other trades and more about raw numbers.
Hopefully Peralta>Desmond can help right my BA a bit.
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| | | 263 | Peter N.
ID: 0749510
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 11:49
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For the contenders out there, Bourn and/or Beckett could be had for a draft pick upgrade. If you are interested, let me know.
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| | | 264 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 12:10
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In the worst deal I ever made, I traded Felix and a pick for Brandon Webb to Barilko.
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| | | 265 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 12:35
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I've gotten a couple of decent offers the last week or so--it might do to summarize my responses here.
Because I've been carrying both Wainwright and Strasburg, my ability to take on guys who I won't keep for next season is severely restricted. Either Castro or Drew are probably gone, same as Ike Davis & Trout, though all are certainly future keepers for someone.
I'm not going to reject any offer outright, but offers which don't involve a solid keeper coming in (for picks/mid level keepers) are going to bump up against my own restrictions. I'm happy to pay a high price for the right player if someone is looking to shed a solid keeper, however.
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| | | 266 | Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 14:29
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FYI - I haven't been pushing stuff through lately cause I've been away. But I've got it set to process after the 2nd overnight, so I think thats pretty quick anyway so I'll probably just let stuff process itself unless formally requested by both parties.
Not like some of these leagues like Poli where stuff sits there for a week.
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| | | 267 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Aug 07, 2011, 21:39
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Re: 261 - Albert Belle admitted to betting on other sports and never faced a suspension, so one for Arod would be very unlikely.
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| | | 268 | Great One
ID: 21726610
Sun, Aug 07, 2011, 21:43
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A-Rod has previously been asked by MLB to not participate in these games though.
And where did Belle make these bets? legally with a sportsbook or in some illegal poker room like A-Rod has been doing?
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| | | 269 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 11:23
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From what I've read, both scenarios are just not suspension worthy.
Funny thing I saw - Matthew Berry wrote that Jesus Guzman is elligible as a SS in ESPN due to a data error.
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| | | 270 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 10:22
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And some usual suspects in 2nd and 3rd place now. Gonna be an interesting stretch run.
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| | | 271 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 11:47
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But 2-4 (or 5) is hardly settled. Its a mere 3.5 point difference. And we've seen bigger leads than Da Bombs 6.5 point lead for first disappear. In all this is turning into a very competitive 2nd half for the top 5.
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| | | 272 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 11:55
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Blech. My team seems to be bottoming out.
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| | | 273 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 11:56
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My money is on GO at this point--he's got a lot of IP left and his pitching counting stats have some upside. If he maxes out his IP I'm guessing that will get him at least 2-3 points even if everything else remains the same.
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| | | 274 | dpr
ID: 1990714
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 10:58
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My extra players would be available for draftpick upgrades. This includes pitchers like Morrow,Danks, Lewis, and nathan. Also hitters like CBYoung and Mark reynolds.
With there still being some close races hopefully there is interest
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| | | 275 | Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 11:06
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I would probably trade like a 5th rounder for good pitcher right now if that price interests anybody. I'm also comfortable mixing and matching comprable talent off the waiver wire, so not really willing to pay much more.
I'd also look at trading likely keeper Pineda, the guy has a great future - but I think he's tiring out at the end of his first big season and I can't afford his growing pains right now. And I'm not sure I can keep him anyway.
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| | | 276 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 11:19
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Wakefield, GO?
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| | | 277 | Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 11:46
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He's certainly not as exciting as Garza, Niemann and Worley who I got for free... but should be a good spot start tomorrow.
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| | | 278 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 25, 2011, 11:54
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Yeah--that's true. Oakland isn't exactly hitting the cover off the ball.
Sent you an email, btw.
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| | | 279 | holt
ID: 566231915
Fri, Aug 26, 2011, 13:47
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Just wait and see. Brandon Allen and Josh Willingham will rip Wakefield a new one!
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| | | 280 | holt
ID: 40711121
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 03:59
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ah I tried to warn ya GO. Oakland wins 15-5.
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| | | 281 | Great One
ID: 17252222
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 11:16
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Only 4 ER for Wake though.
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| | | 282 | holt
ID: 40711121
Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 16:01
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That is true. Very fortunate.
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| | | 283 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 09:32
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Probably the best finish I've been a part of. Crazy things going on with free agent pickups. These last couple days will be fun.
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| | | 284 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 09:36
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Man, that must have been exciting - I just saw the waiver wire from last night. Good luck to you both - two of the managers I admire most.
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| | | 285 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 10:58
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Its a great race for Holt and Da Bomb, but don't forget the secondary fight. Tree has 3rd place but its far from locked up. He has to hold on to it for 3 days with 1 person a point behind and me 3.5 points. But with a boost in HR and Rbi's and I can gain 2 points and take 2 from Tree vault past both of them. Its a long shot, but not unreasonably so!
This is a good race all around for the top 5.
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| | | 286 | holt
ID: 108501712
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 22:31
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man my team is hitting like a bunch of pitchers tonight. 4 for 27? come on!
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| | | 287 | holt
ID: 108501712
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 23:37
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4 for 35. that's nice. At least the Redbirds are pulling even to the Braves.
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| | | 288 | holt
ID: 108501712
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 01:50
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thank you for the late grand slam Ryan Roberts. Bravo.
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| | | 290 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 01:11
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Limped to the finish line, my batters went 3-30 tonight...but it didn't matter thankfully. Humber and Pomeranz were huge for me this afternoon as I was able to get the Ks I wanted which allowed me to bench my evening SPs to avoid risking hurting my WHIP. Great season, great finish.
Congrats to GO and Holt for 2nd and 3rd, you guys are awesome.
And this was the best night of baseball ever, no exaggeration. Hope a lot of you got a chance to watch the action. Anyone care to start a Red Sox Offseason Thread? ;)
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| | | 291 | barilko6
ID: 53834297
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 08:37
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Great finish guys, congrats to the top 3!
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| | | 292 | Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 08:57
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Congrats Da Bomb.
I just didn't have the pitching to compete. Lester was worn out and Hanson and Josh's injuries were big holes.
I don't think the Sox really matters all that much, cause with all the pitching problems at the moment, they weren't gonna do much anyway. Too many teams with great (and hot) pitching at the moment in Detroit, TB and Philly especially.
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| | | 293 | holt
ID: 108501712
Sun, Oct 09, 2011, 17:52
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Sorry for the late post. Congrats to DaBomb, you piece of crap. Once again a very competitive and fun league. Can't wait for next season! Victory will be mine!
My fantasy baseball season wasn't the greatest but the Cardinals are making up for it now. What a wacky season.
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| | | 294 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 01:16
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Thanks guys, it was a really fun year. And good thing I take insults to be a high form of respect.
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| | | 295 | Perm Dude
ID: 420241913
Tue, Oct 11, 2011, 00:00
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Good job, dickwad.
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| | | 296 | holt
ID: 108501712
Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 02:14
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LOL
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| | | 297 | holt
ID: 108501712
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 11:37
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what an amazing game last night! bring on game 7! thanks for the ride redbirds! thank you rally squirrel!
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| | | 298 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 31, 2011, 15:35
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Probably goes down as the best world series ever with Game 6 being the best single game ever (if we use the world series as a bench mark).
Wonder if La Russa's retirement hurts Pujols' chances of coming back.
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| | | 299 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Oct 31, 2011, 16:05
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That was definitely one of the most thrilling World Series in my lifetime. Obviously 2004 was a huge one for me as a Red Sox fan. But that was a completely different kind of thrill. This was just a great series to watch. Edge of the seat kind of thrill. It was exciting baseball with some great storylines in the background. Would have loved to see Texas win it, but either way as a fan of baseball this was a great post-season.
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| | | 300 | Great One
ID: 23041321
Fri, Jan 13, 2012, 22:04
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I thought I had Pineda here but I don't see him... did I trade him?
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| | | 301 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sat, Jan 14, 2012, 13:42
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He's on your final roster, GO.
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| | | 302 | Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jan 17, 2012, 15:21
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Cool. Pineda on the trade block! damn Yankees... :)
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| | | 303 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 12:07
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Do we have a keeper deadline listed somewhere?
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| | | 304 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 12:37
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Ive got some serious dealing I can do. The following players can be had for draft picks:
Ian Desmond - 25SB out of the SS slot. should improve BA
Brett Gardner - 50SB and a .260 BA not making my keeper list. this may change.
Kelly Johnson - BA tanked but 21 HR/16SB from 2nd base position
Matt Joyce - may change into keeper but ended .277/19hr/13sb/69runs/75rbi's. Not expected to regress. Ba should hold other numbers should improve
Logan Morrison - 23 hr campaign. BA was on fire until injury. bounce back season should see 23-28 hrs and ba in neighborhood of .270 Young guy, long-term potential
Jhonny Peralta - may become a keeper. SS that batted .299 with 21 HR.
BJ Upton - probably on my keeper list but could be paired w/ one of the guys above for a bonafide star power keeper type player
On the pitcher side Ervin Santana and Wandy Rodriguez are also available, as are Mariano Rivera, JJ Putz and Drew Storen. All 40+ saves last year and all looking at closer roles this year.
Draft picks would be phenomenal. Players wil have to be able to beat out my potential keepr list of Adrian Gonzalez, Ian Kinsler, Evan Longoria, BJ Upton, Yovani Gallardo, Dan Haren and Mat Latos.
Definitely some deals I could do there. Least attached to Mat Latos and Upton. One of t hose guy plus a player above= big deal.
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| | | 305 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 12:45
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The Dirty Dozen League Constitution
Entry Fee = $20 (Due by Opening Day)
7 keepers
Keeper Deadline will by 11:59 PM the Wed. before March Madness (March 14th for 2012) or they will be picked for you.
Any trade or keeper change after that will not be accepted.
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List
Payouts = 240 pot
1st Place 160
2nd Place 50
3rd Place 20
Kafenatid 10
Trade Review
Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.
Categories & Positions
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new)
SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
Trade Deadline
Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends)
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| | | 306 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 12:47
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We discussed bumping it back an extra week into the 20's of March but the season starts really early this year on 3/28 so probably smart to not go any less than 2 week window for drafting, player entry etc.
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| | | 307 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 12:52
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I'm likely keeping...
Prince, Pedroia, Castro, B.Harper, Buster, Lester, Hanson
For Sale
Pineda, Jurrjens, Axford, Valverde, Lawrie, N.Cruz
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| | | 308 | barilko6
ID: 46147115
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 16:55
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I'm back and ready to roll!
My keepers will be announced sometime in the future probably maybe.
I would be open to dealing Ryan Braun if someone is interested in paying good value.
Also if someone wants Victor Martinez or Shelby Miller with Braun and build an awesome champion for 2013, inquire within!
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| | | 309 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 18:18
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trade proposals or inquiries can be sent to this email. same as the last few years.
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| | | 310 | barilko6
ID: 17147117
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 18:47
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Looking to trade:
Ryan Braun
Pablo Sandoval
Jay Bruce
Adam Jones
Joe Mauer
Mark Trumbo
Shelby Miller
Ricky Romero
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| | | 311 | Tree
ID: 48143117
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 18:49
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i've got a slew of players too. not even sure who i'm keeping. but i'm open to trades. my roster is pretty stacked, and i'm not sure how i didn't win with it. lol
take a look at it - i'm open to offers.
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| | | 312 | dpr
ID: 34136118
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 19:36
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Id be looking to make trades too.
Here are my keeper quality players IMO.
Teix
Felix
CC
McCutchen
Uggla
Santana
Hosmer
Zimmerman
Heyward
J. Montero
8 guys ranked in the top 60 most anywhere you look and two extremely talented young players. For a team that struggled last year, seems to be pretty good depth.
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| | | 313 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 20:09
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Still sorting out my roster, but super prospect Mike Trout is available.
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| | | 314 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 02:03
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i'm probably looking for draft picks, but here's the tentative list of who might be available:
Michael Bourn
JJ Hardy
Hunter Pence
Ichiro
Michael Young
Jose Bautista
Adrian Beltre
Desmond Jennings
Michael Morse
Hanley Ramirez
Mike Stanton
Gio Gonzalez
James Shields
and, honestly, any pitcher on my team.
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| | | 315 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 15:28
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I am glad that we are getting started. I am a Giants fan, but it has been a long winter without baseball.I know I need to make trades, but I am gun shy after being fleeced by GO my 1st season in a keeper league.Actually the trade looked decent at the time.
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| | | 316 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 16:06
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Damn, what was the trade? I forget...
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| | | 317 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Thu, Feb 02, 2012, 16:55
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Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins for Prince Fielder and Dustin Pedroia. At that time Howard and Fielder were of about equal value, and I had Chase Utley so trading for Rollins seemed like a good idea.
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| | | 318 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 13:48
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Per email from GO, confirming I will be back for 2012 and I'm ready to go. Bring on baseball.
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| | | 319 | loki
ID: 3161313
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 14:06
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Just to make it official, I am playing in 2012.
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| | | 320 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 14:23
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The debate last year was that we finished too quickly, and whether we should sit on the draft results or if I should submit and "Begin Season" unlock everything and everyone could make moves for the days leading to the season with no games.
I do predict the draft to be fast this year. Worst case scenario it would go 10 days. That's conservative at only 1.5 rounds per day.
There was actually discussion that March 15th was too EARLY to start, but I would agree its not too early when the season starts early on 3/28.
So maybe we bump keeper deadline to Monday 3/12 at 11:59 PM and then we turn the clock on Wednesday 3/14 at 9:00 am? hopefully know out a few picks before that time on Tuesday...
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| | | 321 | holt
ID: 101291315
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 16:29
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I am in.
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| | | 322 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 17:00
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I vote in favor of starting early. DD is always my early draft, and doesn't interfere with my later ones.
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| | | 323 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 17:05
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Unfortunately for you all, I'm in.
If there is a vote, I vote for starting later.
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| | | 324 | Peter N.
ID: 31551019
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 20:44
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I'm in.
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| | | 325 | Peter N.
ID: 31551019
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 21:38
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I took a look at my team. My keeps at this point are the following:
1. Mike Napoli, C, TEX
2. Elvis Andrus, SS, TEX
3. Aramis Ramirez, 3B, MIL
4. Billy Butler, DH, KC
5. Shin-soo Choo, OF, CLE
6. Neftali Perez, SP, TEX
7. Max Scherzer, SP, DET
As far as when to start, I'm fine with whatever the majority ends up deciding.
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| | | 326 | astade
ID: 38219417
Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 23:53
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Just got the emails. I'm in.
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| | | 327 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, Feb 14, 2012, 00:14
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Peter, can you post your email address or send me an email?
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| | | 328 | barilko6
ID: 201541410
Tue, Feb 14, 2012, 11:54
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I am in again too! I might be needing one more keeper, so if anyone has someone extra they want to move for a pick, let me know!
After reading more into the Braun situation, I've decided to hold onto him unless I am blown away.
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| | | 329 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Tue, Feb 14, 2012, 12:40
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my available guys for a pick...
Tommy Hanson
M. Pineda
Nelson Cruz
Axford
Valverde
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| | | 330 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Feb 14, 2012, 13:01
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Available:
Drew Stubbs
Dustin Ackley
Ike Davis
Lance Berkman
Chris Carpenter
CJ Wilson
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| | | 331 | loki
ID: 3161313
Mon, Feb 27, 2012, 19:00
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Please refresh my memory. When is the keeper list due, and are we a straight or snake draft? Thanks.
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| | | 332 | Great One
ID: 461302322
Mon, Feb 27, 2012, 19:36
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Keeper Deadline = Monday night 3/12 by midnight (bumped up a couple days due to early season start.
Straight draft, 7 Keepers.
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| | | 333 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Thu, Mar 01, 2012, 10:18
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Everyone try out the "choose keepers" thing on Yahoo and just put some tentative names in there.
Before keeper deadline we'll do a thread here and that will be the official list and I'll just crosscheck to the website.
But it should help me enter 80+ less names into Yahoo.
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| | | 334 | Tree
ID: 33240310
Sat, Mar 03, 2012, 11:46
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still looking to make moves. following are available and up for discussion:
Michael Bourn
JJ Hardy
Hunter Pence
Ichiro
Michael Young
Jose Bautista
Adrian Beltre
Desmond Jennings
Michael Morse
Hanley Ramirez
Mike Stanton
Gio Gonzalez
James Shields
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| | | 335 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Mar 05, 2012, 11:05
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Astade-Having trouble w/ email. Did you receive mine?
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| | | 336 | dpr
ID: 34136118
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 00:36
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Trade
DPR trades
Teix
CC
3.03
Astade trades
Miggy
6.07
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| | | 337 | barilko6
ID: 12213611
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 12:13
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I have too many OFs, so I am willing to deal Ryan Braun for an elite player that isn't an OF or for a pair of top players.
Shoot me an email if interested.
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| | | 338 | dpr
ID: 34136118
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 13:06
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Is there anyway to see trades from last year? I know that quite a few (some good some bad) and would like to look over the details.
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| | | 339 | astade
ID: 38219417
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 13:26
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confirmed trade with DPR.
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| | | 340 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 13:33
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I just checked my team and really need to move one of these guys:
Freeman, Markakis, Werth, Wieters, Street, Bard, League, CPerez, Cahill
Would also move a keeper, but obviously would need more back:
Pujols, JUpton, RWeeks, Crawford, Youkilis, Hamels, DHudson
Let's get those offers coming!
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| | | 341 | barilko6
ID: 49259615
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 16:59
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re: 340 Wait. When did we up it to 15 keepers?
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| | | 342 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 17:40
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B, I know those guys all SEEM like keepers, but I'm only planning to keep 7. That means someone out there is going to get Matt Wieters cheap.
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| | | 343 | Barilko6
ID: 164392011
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 18:14
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That was what confused me man. For someone to want to keep any of those guys I thought we upped it to 15 keepers.
On a related note I have Charlie Morton and Juan Rivera available.
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| | | 344 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 18:27
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That was what confused me man. For someone to want to keep any of those guys I thought we upped it to 15 keepers.
Edison Volquez anyone? hah
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| | | 345 | holt
ID: 108501712
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 19:19
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I don't think I ever got an invitation to the league. Please send again.
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| | | 346 | holt
ID: 108501712
Tue, Mar 06, 2012, 19:35
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I'm in. 7 keepers is painful.
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| | | 347 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 12:47
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GO, is your mailing address the same?
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| | | 348 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 13:13
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I am actually moving one more time, so I am gonna have everybody wait til April 1st if they plan to mail anything.
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| | | 349 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 15:33
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Hey GO,
Can we at least start the draft at drafttime so people can go in and set up que's and be prepared? You can start the draft w/out starting the clock. But until you start it, we can't do anything at all.
Though I guess we need keepers set and inputted. This is why I was hoping for a slightly earlier start than the 14th. We all do things at different paces and different times. I feel like my preparation is being wasted.
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| | | 350 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 15:52
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Yeah I know, remember when we used to do keepers due right after the Super Bowl? Those were the days.
You can't start the draft until keepers are entered.
But you can feel free to prepare and Pre-Rank using the link at the top of draftime without the draft being turned on.
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| | | 351 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 15:53
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We also need to unearth a list of any draft pick trades so I can prep that up and I'll make up keepers thread for a backup to Yahoo.
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| | | 352 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 15:59
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Please post keepers and leftovers here... and also check them off on Yahoo website.
And whoever the hell the 12th team is that hasn't signed up, sign up before you make me track you down.
Nobody worry about payment yet, cause I'm moving and will just wait til I get settled in April and will send out treasury info at that point.
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| | | 353 | Great One
ID: 340592712
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 16:02
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Looks like #12 finally got in there.
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| | | 354 | Tree
ID: 8252917
Fri, Mar 09, 2012, 18:53
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last ditch attempt to make some moves - surely, some of these folks are desired.
Michael Bourn
JJ Hardy
Hunter Pence
Ichiro
Michael Young
Jose Bautista
Adrian Beltre
Desmond Jennings
Michael Morse
Hanley Ramirez
Mike Stanton
Gio Gonzalez
James Shields
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| | | 355 | barilko6
ID: 46253128
Mon, Mar 12, 2012, 09:53
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I can't believe that there is zero interest to acquire Ryan Braun, Cargo, or Jay Bruce in a trade.
Send me an email!
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| | | 356 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Mar 12, 2012, 10:46
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To be fair Barilko, there was zero interest on your end, not mine ;)
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| | | 357 | Barilko6
ID: 172451210
Mon, Mar 12, 2012, 11:45
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Haha, right sorry Bomber! I did receive an offer!
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| | | 358 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Mar 12, 2012, 12:30
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ditto!
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| | | 359 | Tree
ID: 92541219
Mon, Mar 12, 2012, 20:55
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i'll be out until about 9:30 central time, but will post my keepers shortly after that.
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| | | 360 | barilko6
ID: 3334119
Wed, Apr 11, 2012, 10:04
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I need a second baseman. Anyone who has someone interesting, let me knoweth.
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| | | 361 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, May 09, 2012, 09:34
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lets keep discussion out of the Standings forum...
per Loki, May 3rd post 175 in that thread
Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Every year I play in only 2 leagues, Dirty Dozen and whichever RIBC league for which I qualify. And every year I either draft A.J. Burnett or pick him up as a free agent. And every year he burns me in the same way.Yesterday: 12 ERs in 2.2 innings, ERA of 40.50 and WHIP of 4.85. all of which resulted in negative 10.5 points.
per GO post 176
And you will drop him and he will throw a shutout next week. Don't forget that bonus AJ always throws in.
Breaking News
Tue, May 8
Burnett sliced and diced the Nationals to the tune of 10 strikeouts and just two earned runs over eight innings Tuesday night.
Recommendation: It was an excellent comeback from one of the worst starts in baseball history last time out, giving up 12 to the Cardinals in just two innings
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| | | 362 | Khahan
ID: 30223147
Wed, May 09, 2012, 09:56
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Wow GO. The fact that he did it is bad enough. But posting and rubbing salt in the wound. Thats just harsh! rofl
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| | | 363 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, May 09, 2012, 11:06
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I'm trying to help Loki. He should not pick up AJ next start cause he'll get burned. But wait for him to get lit up again and then pounce.
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| | | 364 | loki
ID: 363291112
Wed, May 09, 2012, 12:54
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GO-Does your gift of prescience extend to the stock market or the roulette wheel? Who do you like in the Preakness?
After I wash the salt from my wounds, I would like the answers!!!!
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| | | 365 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, May 09, 2012, 13:03
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oddly enough I did win a bet on The Derby at the Delaware Park casino... I bet on I'll Have Another and Done Talking.
Think I'm going Bodemeister for the Preakness.
and I do have a job in the financial world, but cannot recommend or make predictions on future results... it would be against company policy :)
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| | | 366 | loki
ID: 363291112
Wed, May 09, 2012, 13:20
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Wire to wire in the Preakness, and if he comes out ok, the same for Bodemeister in the Belmont.
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| | | 367 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, May 09, 2012, 21:30
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Starting my 7th different catcher of the season tonight.
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| | | 368 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Fri, Jun 01, 2012, 18:30
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Zobrist is available, cheap. A good chance he'll turn it around this season if someone wants to stash him, but I can't let him keep dragging my stats down.
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| | | 369 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 14:00
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Cheap indeed.
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| | | 370 | Tree
ID: 59520414
Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 15:41
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Cheap indeed.
explain how giving up the #4 2b in Yahoo (4th in runs, 3rd in SB, and 1st in Avg - all at the age of 22) and one of the hottest HR hitters right now for a top closer and a guy hitting .208 on the season (which is actually nearly 40 points higher than he's been hitting in the last two weeks) is cheap indeed.
i needed a closer. he needed a 2b that is actually performing. to balance it out, he got a power-hitting OF and i got a guy who is very much overrated and very much inconsistent. if i'm VERY lucky, he'll finish with 20 homers, 18 SBs, and .250 average.
i'm thinking it'll be more along the lines of 15-12-.240. it's not 2009 anymore with Ben Zobrist, and his career splits show that June is his best month, before he goes into a dramatic tailspin. When august hits, he can barely get on base, much less swing for the fences.
obviously, this deal was about Chris Perez for me. if you're interested in Ben Zobrist that much, i'm taking offers. :o)
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| | | 371 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 16:27
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You don't have to sell me on Altuve. I've got him in G20 and wish people would keep pumping him up. He's been great, for sure. Best case, he has a season in line with Zobrist's last few seasons.
I don't think you're evaluating Soriano correctly. But I probably did use the wrong word - with his contract, you can't exactly call him "cheap."
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| | | 372 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 16:31
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For my part, I think Perez has peaked. Not only will he be getting fewer save chances as Indians stop overplaying, but he's going to blow a few chances as well.
The next BS by Perez will be while he's on Tree's active roster. That's something we can all look forward to.
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| | | 373 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 16:40
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Indians over their heads for a couple months just like last year?
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| | | 374 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Jun 04, 2012, 17:29
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Yeah. I don't think they'll have the collapse they had last year, but they should start fading about now.
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| | | 375 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Jun 18, 2012, 10:52
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I've got 2 guys coming off the DL in the next few weeks and I'm way over on my SP already. I could use a solid closer, a better sp (could do a 2:1 if you are under innings as long as I reduce my sp count) and could move some CI players along w/ SP.
let me know if you see anything that interests you.
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| | | 376 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Jun 26, 2012, 10:21
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I'm looking to buy some power in the OF using draft picks.
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| | | 377 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 17:03
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Announcement
I am adding a co-manager to my Dirty Dozen team. Wazaaap_Guy. I have not been able to devote sufficient time to this team, relative to my other teams, and it has shown up in the standings.
Wazaaap Guy will help me maintain competitiveness with this team, and he's a great personality to add to the Dirty Dozen community.
Please let me know if this presents any issues or if there are other questions you would like me to address.
Thank you.
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| | | 378 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 00:50
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Re: 361-363
Never underestimate the power of the National League.
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| | | 379 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 09:05
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How frequently do you think the reverse happens where a pitcher does poorly after being traded to the NL?
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| | | 380 | Great One
ID: 13046197
Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 09:08
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I will miss beating Blue Hen down every year... oh well. Welcome WG.
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| | | 381 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 11:19
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This Josh Johnson guy I got with my last waiver priority doesn't seem to be half bad.
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| | | 382 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 16:21
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I'm re-tooling. Nobody is off the table. I've gotten some decent and some good offers already. But I'm in full blown rebuild mode. Send me offers. I like established keepers and draft picks especially.
You don't want to offer me a second baseman cause I've got Kinsler? Hell, kinsler's gone if I get a good offer. So go ahead and present your deal.
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| | | 383 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 17:15
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All these teams ahead of my are rebuilding!
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| | | 384 | holt
ID: 108501712
Tue, Jul 03, 2012, 20:20
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I was going to try to get J Johnson on waivers but when I was setting it up I couldn't figure out who to cut. Something happened and I never got the waiver set up. Pretty much anyone in the league would be better than Lincecum or Haren right now! Stop the bleeding.
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| | | 385 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 10:03
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Holt-Nice pick up of Colvin. I missed getting him off the WW in AAA and neglected to look for him in Dirty Dozen.
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| | | 386 | holt
ID: 108501712
Sun, Jul 08, 2012, 17:36
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I considered picking him up in AAA many times but just couldn't buy into his numbers. Expected him to crash and burn a long time ago.
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| | | 387 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Jul 12, 2012, 10:55
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2013 Draft Pick Trades
Khahan trades Longoria/8th to PD for Cain/6th
Khahan trades Putz/9th to Barilko for 4th
GO trades 1st/Smoak to Pete for 13/Edwin
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| | | 388 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Jul 12, 2012, 10:56
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per Khahan
I'm still in trade mode. I feel like I'm still looking an excellent list of keepers for next season so I wouldn't necessarily be looking for keepers unless I'm trading away keepers. Draft picks are always great for moving parts that can prop up stats for contenders.
I'd be keeping the likes of Adrian Gonzalez, Ian Kinsler, David Freese, maybe Brandon Moss or Corey Hart, Wade Miley, Jordan Zimmerman, Matt Cain, Yovani Gallardo, James Shields
I'm not big on keeping more than 3 SP so I'd be willing to trade one of them for a keeper quality OF. Not prospect type keeper, but established keeper quality.
Second half will really help solidify my keeper list for next season. So if you are struggling with starting pitcher and have a good OF keeper or SS, talk to me.
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| | | 389 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Fri, Jul 13, 2012, 13:22
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David Ortiz available for high draft picks.
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| | | 390 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Jul 24, 2012, 17:51
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We changed our team name.
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| | | 391 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 12:17
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Earlier this month I had shunned some trades for my pitchers trying to figure out my best value for keepers next year. At this point I'm ready to consider trading my pitchers again.
Just want to emphasize, I'm looking at next year so young studs (not unproven prospects) or draft picks upgrades are very desirable to me.
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| | | 392 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Thu, Jul 26, 2012, 15:03
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Though James Shields is doing his best to ruin any trade value he might have had left.
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| | | 393 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Jul 27, 2012, 16:20
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This is late, but the surprise of the draft for me was holt not drafting Allen Craig.
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| | | 394 | holt
ID: 108501712
Fri, Jul 27, 2012, 17:12
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lol - That one surprised me too. As a Cardinal fan, it's sometimes hard to gauge how much other people value Cardinal players. I definitely intended to have him on some teams this year. I figured he'd be overlooked due to being injured during spring training and not having a clear starting job.
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| | | 395 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sat, Jul 28, 2012, 07:52
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Barilko-The old NHL gave territorial preference in drafting to its 6 teams, enabling the Montreal Canadians to perennially dominate the league. I needed that for Matt Harvey. The Mets have always over-hyped their pitchers, but I think that Matt Harvey is for real. Nice pick-up.
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| | | 396 | barilko6
ID: 266162917
Sun, Jul 29, 2012, 18:16
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haha...my super scout came in and scooped him! Of course with me going for it this year, he is available for trade!
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| | | 397 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Tue, Jul 31, 2012, 09:22
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Another trade with draft picks
Khahan sends Yovani Gallardo and his round 10 pick to tree (jam kill block chop)
Tree sends his round 2 pick to Khahan
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| | | 398 | Pete N.
ID: 277271020
Fri, Aug 10, 2012, 21:28
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If anyone has any interest, Mike Napoli(power at catcher) and Shin-Soo Choo(batting average plus steals) are available for draft pick consideration.
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| | | 399 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sat, Aug 11, 2012, 15:41
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Holt I think you picked up the wrong Street replacement. My money would be on Gregerson this time around. We'll see.
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| | | 400 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 10:12
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heath Bell is being given another shot at the closers role. Anybody looking for a few cheap saves to cap off their season, send me an offer. Draft pick upgrade. Not looking for anything too high.
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| | | 401 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 10:24
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Even after yesterday?!
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| | | 402 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 16:03
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rofl. GO, I'd have to ask, "even after every other chance this season" I'm a bit baffled myself but that was the announcement.
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| | | 403 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 16:33
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dabomb - you may be right. a few saves won't make much of a difference for my team either way so I'm not sweating it too much.
I've got Heath Bell on my RIBC team and he's been a pain all year. only pitches well when he's not the closer so it's hard to cut him when he's always on the verge of getting the closer role back. after yesterday I think I'm ready to just cut him though. Cishek has been just fine in the role. Better than Bell anyway.
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| | | 404 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 19:42
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Well I was wrong in post 399. They chose the guy with previous closing experience this year over the one who's thrown much better lately and was pitching in the 8th as opposed to Thayer's 7th.
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| | | 405 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 20:29
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it doesn't make any sense to me. they're both decent but I believe gregerson has a better K rate. I don't think gregerson is up for arbitration for a couple years either. who knows? maybe they like keeping him available to eat more innings?
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| | | 406 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 23:14
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Or it might be something a lot more nonsensical or superstitious. Gregerson has been excelling in the 8th inning and they don't want to change up his role, or Thayer recorded a handful of saves 3 months ago and that experience is invaluable. Thayer has been good so the decision probably doesn't make much of a difference to the team, but Gregerson has been a little better.
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| | | 407 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 09:32
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Plus now you have more flexibility with Gregerson, the ability to use him when he's most needed.
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| | | 408 | Pete N.
ID: 567212119
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 20:22
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Just so this doesn't get lost in the shuffle in yahoo. In my trade with Tree, Andrus/Butler/Kendrick for Hanley/Howard/Jennings, I also received Tree's 6th round pick in exchange for my 9th round pick.
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| | | 409 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 15:20
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I am not trying to make waves, but I think that the trade between Barilko6 and Blue Guy/Wazaap Hen should not go through. The trade is of a journey man setup RP for the MLB leader in saves. Over the past 14-30 days there was minimal differences in Ks ERA and WHIP, but a big difference in saves.The trade has no effect on me, but it can influence the race for 3rd place and for a better draft pick in 2013.
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| | | 410 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 15:28
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i think the large draft pick up grade is really what that trade is about...
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| | | 411 | loki
ID: 363291112
Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 16:27
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Ok. You have more experience in keeper leagues than I do. I am still trying to get it right.
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| | | 412 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 16:51
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Correct. This was Johnson for a pick. He wasn't going to get kept, and this was the best pick we were offered. If you would have offered a better pick, please shoot M's an email- we have more closers.
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| | | 413 | barilko6
ID: 57755277
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 09:03
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Yeah, this was obviously about BH/WG getting a better draft pick. Trades like this happen quite often. Perkins was simply the worst guy on my roster at the time of the deal.
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| | | 414 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 19:25
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It's important to consider its late in the year too. So a non-keeper caliber closer for one month rental isn't all that valuable. 5th round pick for say 7 saves?
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| | | 415 | astade
ID: 78462922
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 21:50
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Tree...I got your offer. I am not interested, but thank you for throwing it out there. For some reason my version of IE won't let me reject/counter/accept offers. I guess it wants me to sit tight this year ;)
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| | | 416 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 23:27
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It's important to consider its late in the year too. So a non-keeper caliber closer for one month rental isn't all that valuable. 5th round pick for say 7 saves?
i won a championship, in part, to acquiring a couple closers at the trade deadline.
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| | | 417 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 19:37
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In keeping with the spirit of the conversation Huston Street is coming off the DL and is available for draft picks. The same for Rollins and Revere if SBs are needed and Samardzija for Ks.
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| | | 418 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Sep 30, 2012, 15:39
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Holt, I can somewhat understand picking up SPs after you have reached your innings limit simply to block other teams if you were fighting for a top 3 spot, but to do it when you are sitting in 5th is kind of strange.
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| | | 419 | holt
ID: 40730220
Sun, Sep 30, 2012, 23:39
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lol - it's the principle of the thing. I like to help penalize teams that wait til the last 3-4 games to fill their innings out. I would do it regardless of what place my team is in and regardless of how many innings my team has pitched. The crappier the pitchers they have to load up with the better.
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| | | 420 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 00:38
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Holt, I can somewhat understand picking up SPs after you have reached your innings limit simply to block other teams if you were fighting for a top 3 spot, but to do it when you are sitting in 5th is kind of strange.
yea, i can't understand it at all. you'll see why if you keep reading.
I like to help penalize teams that wait til the last 3-4 games to fill their innings out.
you like to help penalize teams that plan ahead?
yea man, sorry, that's crappy.
and it's actually against the rules.
scroll down to #4 under "Fair Play and Sportsmanship"
your yahoo account can actually be suspended for this, and yahoo can lock you out of future fantasy games.
LET ME REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS A MONEY LEAGUE, and as someone in contention for some of that money, i think your actions are horse$hit, and i'm furious that you think it's "lol" haha funny to f*ck with teams in contention.
are you serious?!!?
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| | | 421 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 02:05
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RIFC locks out the teams that did not make the playoffs so as not to interfere with the teams that are in contention. You can't have this rule in roto being that there are no playoffs. So, it is about what is ethical and in good sportsmanship. I am considering contention in this league as any team that has a reasonable chance of finishing in the top 3, as these spots receive the payouts. Now, streaming SPs during the last week of the season with innings to spare out of contention would be in poor taste IMO in of itself, but to make "roster moves whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners" is ludicrous. Furthermore, why should these teams be "penalized that wait...to fill their innings out"? Do we not have the full season to use our innings however well we please? And besides, if you are penalizing all the teams in contention, aren't you penalizing no one?
I hope that we can expect for this to no longer happen for the remainder of the season and that this issue will be put to rest.
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| | | 422 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 05:04
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Unbelievable. You guys have a very self-absorbed viewpoint here. I stay active til the final day of the season. period. If I can make a transaction that lets me finish a single strikeout ahead of one other team then I'll do it. If you're offended that by that, that's your problem. I don't care if my transaction costs you a point, and I don't care what place your team finishes in. If I want to scrape for every possible point, I have the right to do that, and I'll make whatever moves I feel like. It's not any of your business. No one is going to tell me I'm not allowed to make legal transactions, ever. I still set my lineup every day. I replace injured players. I make moves that improve my place in the standings. I absolutely disagree with your opinion that any of this is unethical. You are wrong. Additionally, you are rude.
Just something to think about: maybe expecting to have a lot of good pitchers to grab on the last 2 to 3 days of the season is an error in strategy. I scoop pitchers in the final week, every year, every league. It's not anything new.
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| | | 423 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 08:50
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Unbelievable. You guys have a very self-absorbed viewpoint here. I stay active til the final day of the season. period. If I can make a transaction that lets me finish a single strikeout ahead of one other team then I'll do it.
no, we play by the rules, including those of fair play.
you made it very clear that you are doing what you do to "penalize" teams that are smart enough to hold onto their innings and manage their team properly through the end of the season.
No one is going to tell me I'm not allowed to make legal transactions, ever.
except in breaking the rules, it's not legal. you obviously didn't read the link i provided to the rules:
No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.
which is EXACTLY what you're doing, and what you proudly boasted about.
Additionally, you are rude.
when you're potentially taking money out of my pocket, damned straight i'm rude.
Commish - think on this? i'd like to see the pitchers he picked up for tomorrow and beyond dropped, and reverted back to FA status so those of us who can still actually use pitchers, can use them.
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| | | 424 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 08:55
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and here's the difference, Bomb snatched up all the useful starters for tomorrow, because HE'S IN CONTENTION FOR THE MONEY, AND HAS INNINGS TO BURN. what he's doing is ethical, and doesn't violate the rules of fair play.
nice job Bomb. i'm pissed at you, but for different reasons. lol
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| | | 425 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 08:56
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Its hard to not see that it falls under this rule, so I tend to side with not doing letting people do that -
No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.
I think its penalty enough that people who don't use innings up til the end are stuck rotating crappy pitcher options. Usually it just blows up their ERA/WHIP anyway, but I think they should have the right to do it and not be blocked by those whose pitchers are done.
It would be kind of hard to reverse them back to free agents, cause who gets first crack at them once they are unlocked again? I can't put them back on some pseudo waiver or anything.
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| | | 426 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 09:02
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Tree,
Just to be clear those rules are for yahoo public leagues. The dirty dozen is not subject to Yahoo rules. But to be fair, I think it is very bad form to do what Holt is doing.
Its one thing to pickup the extra innings in the final days, whether you are in first place or last place if you have innings to use you should try to use them.
However, to be out of innings and taking pitchers just to block others from getting them is dirty play. Historically its never actually been against the rules but thats because when I started the league I never gave it any thought.
I don't think should have to regulate 'fair play' with rules. I would think a 'gentlemens agreement' would be enough. If you are out of innings you are done making pitcher transactions (unless of course its a hot prospect you may want to keep the next season). Especially something like this. I've been in a to of leagues with you holt and I haven't noticed it before.
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| | | 427 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 09:28
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I think if we (Da Bomb) are ok with it happening if he was higher in the standings then you need to e when he is higher up too. He is still in the season and competing even when out of it. Isn't that what we want?
That said I don't like the idea of him making the moves, but also don't feel they are against the fair play rules tree sites. In something competitive, where everything is relative, if you are hurting others, you are helping yourself. Holt blocked Astade from picking them up who is right ahead of the standings. Or Tree or GO, or barilko from passing him in Ks (therby lowering his placing i the league). It is very easy to see that these moves are of benefit to him and thereby not against the rules of fair play as outlines by yahoo.
I have pretty much written off this season and havnt made moves other then keeping my lineup healthy. Holt is out of it and fighting for every last point. You didnt complain when I let yous guys pass me in categories, but now you do when Holt makes you fight to pass him?
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| | | 428 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 09:57
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Btw, since people mentioned how other leagues handle this stuff I looked to RIFC as I remember moves being made on picking up players you can't start to block others. Here was Guru's ruling:
"I dont see the Young=>Palko move as a rule violation. Young was picked up back on Wednesday as a waiver claim. He was held until Sunday, and then swapped for Palko. While it is clear that Swing had no intent to start Palko this week, he did keep Palko past the time he was locked.
If Palko had been dropped before gametime, that would have been a violation."
I see this as a ver similar situation as in the case the player had already started a QB so could not play the player added. Same as Holt,he added players to keep his competitors from adding them an potentially beating him.
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| | | 429 | Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 10:36
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dpr: The difference is that Holt has maxed out his IP. He couldn't start anyone--not the guys already on his roster, nor the guys he's picking up.
I've been picking up some SP myself, but I've got a lot of IP left.
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| | | 430 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 10:48
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I don't think what Holt is doing against the rules and wouldn't support any punitive action.
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| | | 431 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 10:52
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As one the managers who Holt's actions probably hurt the most, I have no problem with what he is doing. Too many managers abandon their teams, and now we are angry at Holt for trying to bump himself up in the standings??? Really?
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| | | 432 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:00
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The point is that holt is not doing this to help his team. He is 17 points out of 4th place. He is doing it because, for whatever reason, he doesn't like contending teams that wait to use their innings. If he were in contention, I still think some would consider the moves in poor taste, but at least you can argue that it was for strategic purposes. Holt's moves have nothing to do with strategy.
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| | | 433 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:09
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And I don't see any problem with that at all. I wish all the teams in this league were adding and dropping players all season long.
As stated, this affects my team a lot as I have 23 innings to fill, but unlike some of the others here, I guess I relish the competition, no matter what place in the standings its coming from.
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| | | 434 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:11
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I'd like to reiterate blue hens post. Holt did not break any rules and we absolutely shouldn't be considering anything punitive. But I do think we need a decision on:
1) do we let those moves stand or overturn them
2) will we allow this kind of move in the future
I think that is where our focus should be.
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| | | 435 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:14
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Further to the point Bomb and Tree are trying to make here, I notice that both these teams have a full slate of starters lined up for a future date despite Yahoo stating that they only have 3 innings left available.
Now I know with Yahoo leagues we are allowed to go over the inning maximum provided all the innings are accrued on the same day that the maximum is exceeded, but since our league rules clearly state that we have a 1400 inning limit, are you both not intentionally circumventing our own league rule by taking advantage of a loop hole in the Yahoo program? Would you guys consider this "fair play and sportsmanship"?
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| | | 436 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:17
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There is nothing to overturn etc. for this season because it is a grey area - but we can certainly vote on something in the future that prevents teams over their IP from adding SP in an effort to block others.
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| | | 437 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:18
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Holt is very clearly not choosing sides here or specifically doing it to help one team win. That's the only way I'd have a problem with it.
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| | | 438 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:19
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Now I know with Yahoo leagues we are allowed to go over the inning maximum provided all the innings are accrued on the same day that the maximum is exceeded, but since our league rules clearly state that we have a 1400 inning limit, are you both not intentionally circumventing our own league rule by taking advantage of a loop hole in the Yahoo program? Would you guys consider this "fair play and sportsmanship"?
absolutely. it's well within the rules and widely regarded as a fair play strategy. in nearly any league where there is an IP limit, this is acceptable practice. in fact, i've never seen a league where it isn't.
The point is that holt is not doing this to help his team. He is 17 points out of 4th place. He is doing it because, for whatever reason, he doesn't like contending teams that wait to use their innings.
this is the essence right here. Holt is doing it to block contenders from having a fair shot at each other - again, if he had Innings left, i wouldn't really have an issue with it.
but because he's out of innings, and HAS CLEARLY STATED HE WANTS TO SCREW WITH TEAMS THAT DO HAVE INNINGS LEFT, there is a gigantic ethical problem.
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| | | 439 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:22
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Tree...show me in our league rules where it says that we are allowed to go over 1400 innings pitched.
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| | | 440 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:24
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The IP max situation is the same in all hosting sites, its not specific to Yahoo, i.e. ESPN is the same.
The 1400 is just a guideline of the day to stop the count of stats. Adding a bunch of pitchers on the day you project to go over it isn't even a guarantee you'll even go over it due to the nature of the pitcher position. What if they all throw 1/3 of an IP and get knocked out and you were 5 IP from the max. Not likely, but that's the only way for the rule to exist. A starting pitcher is too volatile to pin down with a hard cap.
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| | | 441 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:28
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However our league rules clearly state that we have a 1400 inning maximum. Of course we all know that because of the loophole within the programing we are all allowed to go over that maximum, but that is clearly what it is...a loophole.
If we were to all plan to play fair and within the rules setup in our constitution, we wouldn't aim to start 8 pitchers when we know that we are only 3 innings away from our maximum.
Just because we can do it, doesn't make it within our stated rules. (And no, I am not against doing it, I just find it funny we are trying to punish Holt for what he is doing, while on the flip side we all take advantage of this loop hole and cry sour grapes when we talk league ethics)
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| | | 442 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:34
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But the problem is even if you start 8 pitchers with 3 IP there is not absolute 100% guarantee you are going over your limit. I realize its 99.99999999 likely but its not a definite.
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| | | 443 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:35
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lol...I won't even entertain that as a valid argument.
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| | | 444 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:37
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Barilko, my basic counter to this is that going over the IP limit is a strategic move to help my team. Holt is not doing anything to help his team, but is instead just trying to mess with the teams in contention.
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| | | 445 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:43
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Da Bomb...your post 421 talks about doing what is ethical and good sportsmanship. I don't see how intentionally circumventing one of our league rules by taking advantage of a Yahoo loophole can be considered either ethical or in good sportsmanship.
Once again, I am not against exceeding our innings limit as a strategic move, but feel we all have to admit its not 100% ethical as outlined within our clearly stated rules.
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| | | 446 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:46
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Actually, I'm changing my stripes here, and going even further with Holt.
I feel that picking up pitchers to prevent teams behind you from passing you in K's and W's is a valid strategic move, designed to help your team, and shame on teams that aren't doing it, since we encourage people to do as well as they can.
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| | | 447 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:48
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I don't agree with you that going over the IP is cicumventing any rule. People have employed this strategy for many years in many leagues and this is the first time I'm hearing of someone having an issue with it. Just wondering, if I have 12 innings to use on the last day, what in your opinion would be the ethical number of SPs to start?
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| | | 448 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:49
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I agree with BH. If Holt can use these moves to keep Astade behind him, then he bettered his standing in the league.
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| | | 449 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:56
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re:447
I actually don't have an issue with it. I am just saying that our DD rules clearly state we have an innings limit of 1400, not that we have an innings limit of 1400 and whatever the Yahoo loophole will allow. We all go out of our way to go as far over that as Yahoo will let us, even though its against the letter of our DD rule.
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| | | 450 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:56
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If holt was doing this for strategic purposes and to fight for 5th place, then fine. That is not what is going on here.
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| | | 451 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 11:56
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Just a brief comment and opinion. I do not like the idea of picking up pitchers if your team is over the limit as a strategy to block other teams. This is similar to cycling of players that was outlawed in the RIFC leagues, and while legal is unsportsmanlike. I do not have as much of a problem with going over the IP limit as this has always been a strategy in the RIBC leagues. However I would vote to eliminate both of these from our league.
On another note, aside from Harper and Trout, I believe that I have the best young hitters and pitchers for keepers in the league (well maybe a little of a hyperbole.). Watch out in 2 years.
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| | | 452 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:00
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Hmm...ok, I seem to have misunderstood what was happening here. I didn't realize that Holt was adding pitchers after he was already over the 1400 innings pitched limit. I thought he was adding pitchers to help get himself to the limit.
In this case I don't agree with adding pitchers once you've hit your limit simply to block them from the rest of the league.
(That still doesn't affect my view that intentionally going over the 1400IP limit though is not entirely ethical though!)
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| | | 453 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:11
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Loki - but how do you prevent people from going over the a limit wherever that finish line (1400 in this case) may be when they are using SP's that you don't know in advance how many IP they will throw?
Like Da Bomb said... what if you are 9 IP away? Am I only allowed to throw 1 SP and not the other guy? What if they both only went 4 IP that night? Then I should have started both... what if I am 8 away and a guy pitches 9? There is not exact way to do it when you are dealing with an unpredictable entity.
All you can do is draw a line in the sand as the finish line - 1400 IP... and bring across whatever you can on that day.
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| | | 454 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:14
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If team was on an island where noone was within 10 points of them do you want them to stop playing? Or do you want them to try to eek out every last point that the can regardless of placing? Isn't it very likely that Holts moves will gain him points in the standings(or keep him from losing some)? I understand he made this quote "I like to help penalize teams that wait til the last 3-4 games to fill their innings out. I would do it regardless of what place my team is in and regardless of how many innings my team has pitched. The crappier the pitchers they have to load up with the better. " but that dosent read to me that his sole reason is to screw other teams. And also screwing other helps his team. Arent most our moves made with regard to other teams?
I don't see how you can argue to reverse what he has done. That said I could be in support of a future rule limiting it int he future but fear it could be a slipper slope.
429: my example was a match in that sense as this move was for a late week game once he had already used his games played at QB. you could argue for future weeks tho.
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| | | 455 | barilko6
ID: 4795219
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:14
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I agree GO, but there is a difference between your scenario of being 8 IP and then the one where you throw out 8 guys when you are only 3 IP away.
Your scenario revolves around trying to ensure that you get those innings in, where the second scenario revolves around trying to get as far past the limit as possible. I am not saying its illegal, and I'm not saying that I haven't done it, or wouldn't do it in the future, but I am saying I don't think its 100% ethical either.
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| | | 456 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:17
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453: You could have a rule where any pitcher starting later in the day after you are over the innings would not count. Of course then people could just load up on games starting earlier in the day, but in this case I am sure man managers will have pitchers starting once they have already reached the limit.
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| | | 457 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:31
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I agree with GO's assessment in 436 - technically Holt did NOT break any league rules this year.
But I would like to propose simply this for next year (2013) and going forward:
1. once you hit your IP limit for the season you may not make any more pitcher adds unless its intent is to grab a keeper for the next season.
You can drop any pitcher you like. You can trade pitchers. You just cant add a pitcher once you are over the IP limit.
Can we get a vote on that?
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| | | 458 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:32
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Yeah, but what do you do when games start at 12:35, 1:05, 2:20, 3:35, 4:10, 6:40, 7:05 and 8:10 like we have on Wednesday when most people have a bunch of starters + the times are all overlapping - and who the heck is watching that for all the teams and making those judgement calls?
Its just not worth the hassle. Consider it this way -- 1400 + a day of 8 SP slots is the Dirty Dozen finish line. Easy, let the website process it. The same rules we all know and understand.
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| | | 459 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:37
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at work and no time to read all the comments. just want to say that I think there should be more incentives for ALL teams to fight for points ALL season. If anyone thinks that any team should not do whatever they can to fight for every roto point they can get, REGARDLESS of what place they are in, then I totally disagree. I wish every team were still active and making moves. Nothing I did is against any rule of fair play. It's all in the interest of protecting my wins and K's. This whole thing is overblown too. I didn't take a ton of pitchers. I have a full roster of hitters and a several pitchers I'm hanging on to as possible keepers. This is a lot of hoopla over me taking 2 or maybe 3 pitchers a day. First come first serve.
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| | | 460 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 12:58
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458: Well for DaBomb for example it is pretty clear that he should be over his IP limit by the time his third pitcher starts. I understand adding pitchers to go over the cap is accepted practice in this league, and am doing it myself in another league. Still I wish it was a loophole which was closed. We are getting to a tangential point.
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| | | 461 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 13:06
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Really, I'm amazed that this even a discussion. I've been playing fantasy baseball for over 10 years and have done this in every league, every year. This is the first time someone complained about it. If you're planning to load up on 8 pitchers for the 2nd to last day of the season in an effort to go over the inning limit by as many innings as possible, then you ought to make an effort to plan that out ahead of time. If I pick up 2 pitchers the day before they start and that costs you points, it's my opinion that it is your lack of planning that caused the point loss. Anyone could pick up these starters at any time.
I chose to fill out my innings on Friday. I felt that was the day I'd get the best quality innings. A strategic move, based on the knowledge that starters on the final 2-3 days of the season all get scooped. Waiting to fill innings like that isn't always a good idea, and I like to do my part to keep it that way.
I think any proposed rule changes related to this are uncalled for and would probably produce unintended consequences that are worse than what you think you are fixing.
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| | | 462 | Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 13:19
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I'm not seeing how the strategy helps you in this case, Holt. You have no chance of moving up in the standings. And very little (practically none) of being passed by Astade as a result of pitching statistic changes.
In what way, specifically, does this benefit your team in this league?
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| | | 463 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 13:36
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458 - I assume the question is directed at my proposal?
This isn't football with same day transactions. It doesn't matter if you want to pick a guy for a 7:05 game. if you don't pick him up the night before, you don't get to start him.
My proposal has absolutely no effect on anything other than the situation that people are discussing.
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| | | 464 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 13:45
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Re: 457. I vote no.
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| | | 465 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 14:32
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re 462 - If I can finish with 78 points, or 74, or whatever - I prefer to do that than finish with 69 or 70. I think that having 6 or 7 teams giving up and giving away points like crazy every year is a bigger issue than me trying to keep my points. I thought we discussed coming up with incentives to keep teams lower in the standings active through the full season. Now we're discussing the opposite.
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| | | 466 | barilko6
ID: 3941113
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 14:41
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re: 465
That is my primary concern here too. We have teams in our league that have given up long ago and here we are focusing all of our cares and concern on a team that is trying make his team better, although with perhaps a method that some people aren't 100% fond of.
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| | | 467 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 14:49
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"Holt is doing it to block contenders from having a fair shot at each other"
NO - I do not care at all what place anyone else finishes in. I do care about how many points I finish with for K's and W's. Might even cause someone's WHIP to pass mine. That's pretty much it. Not to mention that in future seasons my final standing may be determined by other teams loading up on innings. By doing what I have done it helps to clarify that waiting til the final day to load up on innings is not without risk. You can load up, but you ought to do some planning and pick up those pitchers you want in a timely manner. So my actions may help me get points this year, and they may affect the way my opponents approach their IP limits in future seasons.
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| | | 468 | Tree
ID: 13953113
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 14:55
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you can come up with any excuse you want. you're violating the spirit of the rules - picking up players you absolutely CANNOT use is unethical. period. i don't care if you've done it for 10 years or not.
We have teams in our league that have given up long ago and here we are focusing all of our cares and concern on a team that is trying make his team better, although with perhaps a method that some people aren't 100% fond of.
he cannot use these pitchers. he's not making his team better.
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| | | 469 | Barilko6
ID: 50956114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 15:56
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Semantics. He's making his team better via his position in the standings is what I meant.
And once again if we want to discuss rules and ethics I bring up the intentional inning padding statement of earlier. (Intentionally circumventing a league rule by exploiting a yahoo loophole.)
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| | | 470 | Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 16:00
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He's making his team better via his position in the standings
I don't see how that is possible given the facts we are looking at. There really is no way he will finish out of 5th place no matter what he does (or doesn't do).
I guess I can see the point about grabbing points, but points are only a measuring tool we use to determine standings order.
If a guy can't change his standings order and cannot use the stats from players he is picking up, he shouldn't be allowed to do it, IMO.
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| | | 471 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 16:13
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post 457 - I vote yes
yes - 1
no - 1
any others want to weigh in on a straight forward option?
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| | | 472 | Barilko6
ID: 50956114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 16:13
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Outside of rankings he might be pursuing more points for his team for the season.
I guess what it comes down to for me is that I'm used to my non rotoworld league where all 14 managers fight hard to the finish for bragging rights rather than what seems to be the accepted apathy in so many leagues here when your team is out of contention and its ok for everyone to accept that the manager abandon his team until the draft next season.
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| | | 473 | Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 16:18
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No one is asking him to abandon his team. They are asking him not to deliberately block other teams using a strategy which doesn't help his own.
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| | | 474 | Barilko6
ID: 50956114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 16:22
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I guess the primary point I am trying to make is that I think the abandoning of teams affects the standings in a much larger way than what Holt is doing, yet nobody ever seems to make a big deal out of that. I'd rather have over aggressive managers than quitters anytime.
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| | | 475 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 16:31
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I think we all agree on that. I just think there is a difference between setting your roster and being active and interfering with those actually competing for the championship.
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| | | 476 | Barilko6
ID: 50956114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 16:34
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Sadly, I don't know if we all agree on that. I got blasted pretty hard for pointing this out in the GK league last year.
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| | | 477 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 17:28
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I think the rule proposal is terrible. You're telling me that the strategy of building up to 1399 IP and then loading up on 8 pitchers is acceptable but a strategy set to counter it is unacceptable? I think both are acceptable. I don't care what place a person's team is in. If you start trying to limit what teams can make transactions then you have a lot of defining to do and lot of side effects to consider. Some people clearly don't care how many points they finish with. Some people do care. There's more to gaming (pretty much any game) than just "who got 1st place?".
I don't care at all for someone hitting me with the unethical tag just to coerce me into altering my play and leaving a smorgasbord of pitchers that they can seal a championship with. Who is being unethical here? If there were some pitchers you wanted, the add player link has been there all along. It's not my fault they aren't on your roster. Really, I prefer that everyone in the league make all manner of moves and counter-moves all the way to the bitter end, but I don't twist arms in an effort to change the way they play.
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| | | 478 | Tree
ID: 12950117
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 18:55
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I think the rule proposal is terrible. You're telling me that the strategy of building up to 1399 IP and then loading up on 8 pitchers is acceptable but a strategy set to counter it is unacceptable?
the former has been part of online fantasy baseball strategy since the advent of online fantasy baseball.
the latter is so unethical, it's actually spelled out as against the rules of fair play in Yahoo public leagues.
in the former, you have room to use those pitchers.
in the latter, you don't.
I don't care at all for someone hitting me with the unethical tag just to coerce me into altering my play...
that's not why i'm hitting you with the unethical tag. i'm hitting you with the unethical tag because what you're doing is unethical. it's spelled out pretty clearly in the rules.
if you had 0.1 IP left, i'd say go for it. but you have ZERO innings left, and that's where the line got crossed.
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| | | 479 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 19:27
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457 proposal
for 1
against 2
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| | | 480 | Tree
ID: 17943119
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 20:44
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so, let me get this straight. we're going to cast a vote for or against something that is already against Yahoo's rules????
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| | | 481 | barilko6
ID: 16949119
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 20:49
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We already approve of something that is against our Constitution Rules, why not?
I vote against.
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| | | 482 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 22:07
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We already approve of something that is against our Constitution Rules, why not?
no we don't. for starters, we don't have a "Constitution".
but beyond that, if you're discussing the IP limitation and going over that, you, nor anyone else, has come up with a solution as to how you stop a team at EXACTLY 1400 IP. the was it's done now is universal and runs across fantasy leagues and formats.
every league i've ever played allows that. every format.
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| | | 483 | Barilko6
ID: 50956114
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 22:31
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I define any collection of rules for a fantasy league a constitution, so yes I believe our league has one.
And there is a huge difference between stopping a teams innings at exactly 1400 and lining up 8 pitchers when your team is only 3 innings away from the cap. Just because everyone does it and its been done for 10 years, that doesn't exactly make it ethical as it clearly circumvents the letter of the rule in place via a programming loophole. Once again, I am not agains the maximizing of the innings, but I don't think it completely fits within the spirit of the rule either.
Anyways I'm done with this debate, I think everyone has made their views known and I highly doubt anyone will change their opinions anytime soon.
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| | | 484 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 22:41
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The first line of 468 is comical when read in conjunction with the second of 478.
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| | | 485 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 23:06
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Here are the rules according to the Yahoo rule book. Sounds like we are playing it exactly as Yahoo (and all other leagues, hosting websites etc) have it laid out and intended. Nothing unethical about it.
you have 1 IP left, but the pitcher(s) total IP equal more than 1 IP the day the cap is met. The ability to exceed the maximum is equally available to all teams. We will never determine who you do and do not get credit for on the day the cap is met.
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| | | 486 | Tree
ID: 53555306
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 01:33
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so, there you have it. One example is condemned by yahoo's rules, the other is condoned.
so why, again, are we voting to allow something that is already forbidden by the rules?
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| | | 487 | barilko6
ID: 4893625
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 06:36
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haha...I know I said I was finished with this debate, but GO finally brought up the point I was waiting all day for someone to bring up.
That "rule" was obviously put into place by Yahoo to cover their own loophole caused by programming deficiencies. The rule that is posted on our league settings page shows to me this:
Max Games Played: No maximum
Max Innings Pitched: 1400
So that means there are 2 rules that contradict one another, as there is no addendum or asterisk on our posted league rule of a 1400 inning maximum.
This all means that our rules are somewhat ambiguous and open to interpretation.
If you go to the set of rules Tree keeps referring to that "condemn" Holt's actions you will find:
By joining the game, each public league fantasy team owner agrees to these rules:
All league-related transactions will be executed with the intent of improving the owner's team and/or its standing within the league.
No owner may drop or "dump" players from their team for any reason other than improving their own team and/or its standing within the league.
No owner will engage in any action that may be deemed to be collusive (two or more owners agreeing to make moves that benefit one team, but not the other).
No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.
No owner will take any action whose purpose is to, in any way, interfere with fair play in a league.
Considering Holt had/had 3 days to increase his place in the standings, his moves, by working towards limiting the number of points that his opponents are able to garner, might enable him to maintain a place in the standings ahead of Astade. Maybe they won't. We don't know for sure. However it may be, Holt's actions can be just as solidly defended against each of those 5 Yahoo rules, on paper, as much as anyone can defend the difference in the 2 different stated rules regarding the Innings Pitched scenarios.
Anyways, my point all along is I'm surprised that an overly aggressive manager is being attacked so hardly while we continue to easily accept the actions of managers who abandon their teams throughout the duration of a season. (Which I think affects standings in a greater way than what Holt is doing)
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| | | 488 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 08:31
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Anyways, my point all along is I'm surprised that an overly aggressive manager is being attacked so hardly while we continue to easily accept the actions of managers who abandon their teams throughout the duration of a season.
1. these are unrelated events, so i don't even know why they're being discussed like they're similar.
2. i don't think you'll find anyone who "Easily accepts" managers who abandon their teams. to me it's a terrible thing, and it effects the competitive balance big time. i partially lost a championship in football because someone else in the league got to play a couple abandoned teams in season's end.
i've blasted managers who abandon their teams, and i've called them out in public forums. some get defensive, some don't care.
3. i am attacking Holt because he's violating the rules. you can sit here all day long and talk about the 1400 inning maximum, but it's hot air - strategically passing that mark to the utmost advantage is not only common fantasy strategy, but it's so common it's written into the rules.
and it's not just yahoo - it's probably every major fantasy league - it's done because of the mechanics of the game, not because of any "programming deficiencies" - do you honestly believe that in 2012 Yahoo or ESPN doesn't have the programming capacity to fix what you call a "loophole"? if it were a loophole, they could fix it, but it's not a loophole.
what Holt did violates written rules in Yahoo. he acknowledged he did it to block other managers from picking up players - it doesn't get any simpler than that in regards to breaking the rules.
The first line of 468 is comical when read in conjunction with the second of 478.
not if English is your first language, and you believe in fairplay.
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| | | 489 | Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 08:45
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Post 457 - I vote no.
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| | | 490 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 08:45
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You keep saying that Holt moves violate yahoos rules but I don't see how that is the case.
You dismiss his argument saying that it doesnt matter how long something has been done if you think it is wrong, and the use length of time you have been doing your actions as justification.
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| | | 491 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 08:46
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Yeah I don't understand why Barilko keeps saying its a Yahoo programming deficiency about the IP limit. It's the only way to fairly do it. Every major fantasy website handles it exactly the same way. The industry has universally agreed its the best way to handle the situation. I don't understand why people playing exactly by those rules would be considered sneaky or unethical.
If it makes you feel better we can manually post its somewhere in the commish note a 1400* (*plus whatever innings you pitch the day you go over) -- but of course since its already in the rule book I don't understand why that's necessary. We all know that's the case.
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| | | 492 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 08:48
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If you want to be specific dpr - Holt violated this sportsmanship rule pretty clearly.
No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.
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| | | 493 | loki
SuperDude
ID: 4211201420
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 08:59
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This has been a lively debate, but as Shakespeare wrote circa 1598-1589, Much Ado About Nothing!
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| | | 494 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 08:59
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Tree has stated that earlier but Holts move will increase his points scored. Hard to argue that his sole reason is to hamper others when the moves help himself.
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| | | 495 | barilko6
ID: 3941113
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 09:40
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My point about the innings pitched limit is that its not a clear and stated rule on Yahoo. If you simply read our league rules and guidelines, nowhere will you find that you are allowed to exceed that IP maximum. Only if you delve deeper into other, less available, rules, will you find that information out. I don't know how many times I've heard managers complain about not knowing that rule following the end of a season.
Anyways, I agree with Loki. I think this is a pretty silly debate all around. I don't think what Holt did was wrong, its been shown through the Yahoo fair play rules that he hasn't done anything wrong as he has the potential to garner more points for his team via his actions.
As for post 492: What if you have first waiver priority in football and there is one QB left on the waiver wire and the team you are playing against just lost their starting QB. Are you not able to claim that QB based on this rule? You won't be starting him, so really you are only claiming him as a means to "hamper" another team.
I think the Yahoo rules are very ambiguous and open for interpretation, which is why I brought in the innings pitched maximum as another ambiguous not entirely outlined Yahoo "rule".
As for the delinquent managers Tree, I don't agree with the statements you made at all in your last post, but if you want to discuss that, that's an email matter not an open forum discussion. Feel free to send me an email if you like.
haha...ok, I am really really done with this debate now. I love that we have aggressive managers in this league, I love that there are guys making additions right up until the last day of the season, even if its at my own expense,and I love the chatter and talk that we finally have in the league forum!
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| | | 496 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 10:12
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Can we get back to the original issue and stop muddying the waters with unrelated side debates about loopholes and non-active managers?
I'm just asking everybody to give a 'yes I would support that' or a 'no i don't support that' vote on my proposal in 457. I'm not the league commish so I'm not throwing the vote out there to actually make a change. Just to get some guidance.
But it seems to be an issue that the league is divided on. And its an issue that will most likely come up again. Seems like a good idea to get a feel for how the league as a whole wants this issue handled.
Also, we do have a set of league rules (I should know, I wrote them). Unfortunately they are buried in the archives and don't come up on the search anymore.
However in a case like this, if we would want to make a rule change of this nature we would need at least 75% in favor the change to make it happen. In this case since the change is to add a rule stopping events like this from happening in the future, we would need 8 votes in favor of the proposal in 457. If we don't want it to happen we would need only 5 to stop the proposal from going thru.
I don't know if GO has his mind made up about this yet or not, but lets give him some help in determining what the league wants to do with this issue.
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| | | 497 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 10:13
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Yea I checked out of this debate too. But just to reiterate my stance one more time because there still seems to be some confusion - I would not have an issue with holt's moves if he were in contention or even if he genuinely cared about finishing 5th instead of 6th, or finishing 5th with 75 points instead of 74 (I do think the latter 2 scenarios would be in poor taste, but not against any rule). I would have no issue with a manager who picked up the QB in Barilko's scenario above. It just appeared to me that holt was doing this not at all to help his team, but just to mess with the managers in contention as a form of punishment for holding onto their innings. What's done is done though I guess and I will be aware of this in future seasons - which is also what holt wanted lol.
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| | | 498 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 10:29
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I interpret it as an act to hamper specific managers. For example, if GO is leading me by five RBIs with two days to go, and he fields a team of DNPs to let me pass him, he is hampering my opponent. In this case, Holt is just thinning out the pool, which might encourage multiple team's to make bad choices and blow up their rate stats.
To me, there is little debate that this is both fair and commendable.
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| | | 499 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 10:37
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I would agree you would need 75% to outlaw a move like Holt's and based on the discussion you already have 3+ managers who are fine with it so no reason to vote it out.
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| | | 500 | barilko6
ID: 3941113
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 10:49
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I would like to propose a vote that its mandatory for managers to talk trash on the forum at least once a week!
Think of the endless fun we could have had this year making fun of the Blue Female Chickens!
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| | | 501 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:12
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500 - before I vote on that I need to ask you a question. Is your mother good at fantasy baseball or bad at fantasy baseball?
(vote yes and extra credit for any get the reference).
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| | | 502 | barilko6
ID: 3941113
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 12:49
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haha...I don't think my mother would have a clue how to run a team. So I guess that puts her somewhere between you and Peter!
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| | | 503 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 13:14
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My mother can name about 90% of the rosters of both the Phillies and Yankees, so she's probably better at baseball in general than your mother. She certainly watches more. As for fantasy, she doesn't actually check her email, so she might miss the draft or be quite inactive.
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| | | 504 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 14:03
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I now regret filling up my innings on Friday instead of today or tomorrow. The matchups were just too good to pass up. But, I could have saved a lot of time and bandwidth. Good luck to all you guys fighting for the money spots!
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| | | 505 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 23:18
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1 RBI OR 1 win ties me for first OR 1 steal wins. Crazy! Nice win Tree. I'll be back next year.
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| | | 506 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:50
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Looks like Tree finally broke down the barrier... its been since 2004! that anyone was in 1st/2nd other than Holt, Da Bomb or myself. Congrats!
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| | | 507 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 11:07
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thanks. this was a hard fought victory that i felt kept me playing right through the last day of the season, even staying up late to watch all the scores come in last night.
i'm pretty surprised by this win - three of my seven keepers are no longer on my roster, two dramatically underperformed (one of whom spent a significant time on the DL), and only Stanton and Beltre did what was expected.
add to that my second round pick going down for the season very early on, as well as complete busts for my 3rd, 5th, and 6th picks. in fact, less than a half of my picks played what i consider even a remotely significant role this season.
Alvarez hitting 17 homers for me and keeping his average over .250 was huge.
acquiring Butler and Andrus, which i did primarily to boost my batting avg, helped. in fact, all three trades i made played big roles.
"spare parts" Espinosa and Zobrist combined for 17 dingers and an average around .285.
but the key was my 7th, 8th, and 10th round picks - Cespedes, Trout, and Trumbo - were obviously incredible for my offense. and Darvish and Gonzalez at 1st and 4th, anchored my pitching.
anyway, it's kind of fun to look at all this stuff, what worked and didn't, the bit of luck involved, some skill in acquiring players i felt i needed, and how little keepers mattered this season.
next season though, if my keepers bust, i'm screwed. lol
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| | | 508 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 13:09
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Re: 505. Looks like stattracker was slightly off last night, so I would have needed a combination of those.
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| | | 509 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 13:23
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Congrats Tree!
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| | | 510 | holt
Donor
ID: 308491916
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 19:03
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Nice win Tree. You kind of captured lightning in a bottle with some of those draft picks. Trout in the 8th turned out to be the bargain of the century.
Synopsis of my team. It sucked. On the hitting side, my batting average started out great but kept dropping largely due to nosedives from Kipnis and Granderson. My HR and SB production fell off across the board over the 2nd half. I tried to fix it with FA moves rather than trading off any draft picks but couldn't stop the slow but steady bleeding. On the plus side, I got a nice "come-back" season from David Wright. Holliday continued to produce without Pujols.
The worst thing was the Lincecum implosion. This is a crushing blow to my team. I finally had to trade him, but the damage was done.
Tim Lincecum
90.2 3 0 98 6.35 1.59
What kind of idiot would let someone with a 6.35 ERA throw 90 innings for them? Me.
Trading for Haren didn't help any.
Dan Haren
58.2 6 0 37 5.68 1.35
Come on.
Ian Kennedy had a painful mix of great starts followed by complete duds. Pretty bad when you have guys like Kershaw and Peavy and you still manage to trail the league in ERA.
I'll be looking for possible trades over the off-season, as always.
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| | | 511 | Tree
ID: 36950418
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 19:54
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thanks everyone for the words. and thanks Holt - no hard feelings about the issues discussed earlier, but my opinion remains unswayed, as does yours, i'm sure. :o)
i trotted lincecum out for nearly every start in another league. no idea why, and now, he may be the biggest keeper conundrum i've ever had.
and anyone looking to trade, i am going to be a seller. i honestly believe i have anywhere from 12 to 14 keepers, and will be looking to make moves. the earlier you get in, the better bargains there are to be had.
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| | | 512 | Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 20:12
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Congrats Tree!
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| | | 513 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Thu, Jan 24, 2013, 13:54
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Carl Crawford
Chris Davis
Alcides Escobar
David Freese
Adrian Gonzalez
Corey Hart
Jon Jay
Kelly Johnson
Matt Joyce
Ian Kinsler
Bryan LaHair
Michael McKenry
Brandon Moss
Nolan Reimold
Carlos Ruiz
Donovan Solano
B.J. Upton
Heath Bell
Matt Cain
Wei-Yin Chen
Mat Latos
Kyle Lohse
Wade Miley
James Shields
Carlos Zambrano
Jordan Zimmermann
Just getting my team roster set in an easy place to look it up for keeper time.
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| | | 514 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Feb 11, 2013, 15:56
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Any notice to getting things started here? Make sure all 12 managers are back, set keeper deadlines etc?
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| | | 515 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Feb 11, 2013, 16:37
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I'm here! Tree, weren't you the commish for this one?
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| | | 516 | Khahan
ID: 39432178
Mon, Feb 11, 2013, 16:43
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I believe GO is our commish. Lets do this and help him out since I know commishing can be a handful.
DD2013
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