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| Posted by: Khahan
- [16341313] Sun, Feb 16, 2014, 19:52
I've been having an itch for a second keeper league since the gurukeepers went under. G20 is packed, poli league is packed. And there are constantly managers asking about joining them.
So I think its time for a new keeper league at Rotoguru.
League Constitution below:
Positions for 24 round draft:
C, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, SS, RF, CF, LF, MI, CI Util
SP, SP, RP, Px4
Bench x 6
DL x2
Categories:
Runs, Rbi's, HR, SB, BA
W, Saves, K's, ERA, Whip
14 points for 1st place in a given category down to 1 point for 14th place. The winner will be the team with the most overall points after the last day of the regular season ends. If there are any make up games scheduled after the last day, those games will count.
Season limits:
1350 IP
162 games played per roster slot for hitters
Keeper Rules
Managers may keep 0-9 players. Players kept count against the draft round they were chosen in. Draft rounds follow traded players.
In season pick ups have no draft slot so they cannot be kept.
If you do not have multiple picks in a given round, you cannot keep multiple players tied to that round.
Example 1: I draft Ted Williams in round 1. Later in the season I make a trade which brings in Mickey Mantle who was also drafted in round 1. I may keep either Williams or Mantle, but not both.
Example 2: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5. Via trade I also acquire Andre Dawson who was drafted in round 5. And via a second trade, I acquire a 2nd 5th round pick. I may now keep both Sandberg and Dawson. (however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players
Example 3: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5 of the 2014 draft. During the season I trade my 2015 round 5 pick. I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a 5 pick before keepers are delcared.
Example 4: I draft Sandberg in round 5 in 2014. I trade away my round 5 pick in 2015 but acquire Dawson who was also a 2014 round 5 pick. I may not keep either. Dawson's draft round came with him, and come keeper time I dont have a round 5 pick.
Keepers are due 14 days before the first game of the regular season.
Manager Expectations
Managers are expected to play a full season. Giving up part way, ignoring trade offers, your team or the league can result in your removal from the league.
Trades
Trades must be balanced against a maximum of 24 players on a given team and 24 rounds of draft for each manager. Outside of that, trades may be vetoed at the commissioner's discretion if he feels there has been collusion or cheating of some kind behind the trade. Otherwise, trades will be assumed to be acceptable and pass after 24 hours unless there is an objection. If an objection is raised there will be a league-wide vote. If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed. Otherwise, it will pass 48 hours after initially being accepted by all managers involved.
Draft
In 2014 the draft will be a randomly ordered 24 round snake draft. Following years the draft will not snake. The order will be determined by how you placed the prior year. Teams finishing in 11-14 place will be in a lottery for the first 4 draft slots. All other teams will be reverse order of finish.
The draft will commence 2 days after keeper declaration and (for now) will be held at
Drafttime.com with the league hosting site at Yahoo.
The lottery draft will be held shortly after the end of the regular season (to better facilitate offseason trading).
Draft Guidelines
We will have a slow draft as noted at draftime.com
Each draft slot will have a 4 hour window to make your pick. If you do not make a pick in the allotted time the next manager may go. You can make up your pick whenever you get back but forfeit the right to any players picked after you missed time.
If the draft comes back to you before you make a missed pick, those future picks will be allotted 0 time until you are caught up.
The clock will be shut off from 1am to 7am EST M-F and will not run on weekends - subject to change if must meet a deadline.
Interested managers, please post here with an active email. Slots are first come, first serve. |
| | | 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Sun, Feb 16, 2014, 23:28
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Hmm. The draft pick rules are interesting (though potentially complicating). I've got to think this through, but surely draft pick round values can change (not the least reason is that guys get overvalued by the manager drafting them).
I don't want to further complicate it, but what about losing a pick for keeping two guys drafted in the same round? In your example 1, you get to keep both Williams and Mantle if you want, but you lose your first round pick.
Do these keeper rules go on forever? A first round pick cannot be kept with another first round pick even if one you picked up with a trade that was drafted 4 seasons ago (and is iffy anymore) while the other guy was your last year's pick? For that matter, this seems to prevent managers from keeping more than one of their previous same round picks--is that the intention?
IP limit is low, IMO. G20 has 6 active pitcher slots and a 1400 IP limit. Would you consider bumping this up a bit?
Vetoes: Assuming the two teams in question can't vote on the trade, you should probably hard code 7 "no" votes as a veto of the trade.
Just thinking out loud here.
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| | | 2 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 00:21
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Hmm. The draft pick rules are interesting (though potentially complicating).
Actually, its fairly straight forward. In DD for example, we declare 7 keepers each, then all go in on a draft on even terms. Round 1, each manager picks. Same in round 2. But the draft is only 17 rounds long (7 keepers + 17 rounds=24 slots).
In this league, the draft is always 23 rounds. If you pick Mike Trout with pick 1.1 this year and win the league and decide to keep Mike Trout, you essentially are picking him at 1.14 in 2015. The players you keep get slotted into your pick in their respective rounds. If everybody keeps their round 1 pick, then round 1 is pre-filled in and we start at round 2.
but surely draft pick round values can change (not the least reason is that guys get overvalued by the manager drafting them).
Yes, draft pick values can change. Last year in DD I grabbed Billy Hamilton in R11. If I kept him under these rules he would always cost me my round 11 pick. But say you draft him in round 4 this year and he doesn't live up to expectations but still delivers say .260 50sb 90 runs. Would you keep him w/ a round 4 pick? That's your decision.
Do these keeper rules go on forever? A first round pick cannot be kept with another first round pick even if one you picked up with a trade that was drafted 4 seasons ago (and is iffy anymore) while the other guy was your last year's pick? For that matter, this seems to prevent managers from keeping more than one of their previous same round picks--is that the intention?
Yes they do, and correct. Unless of course you manage to trade for an extra first round pick every single year. Then you can't keep more than 1 player you drafted in the first round. In 2014 you draft Ted Williams and trade for Mickey Mantle who was a round 1 pick from me. In another trade you get somebody else's first round pick. In 2015 you can keep both Williams and Mantle since you have 2 picks. But come 2016,unless you pick up another extra round 1 pick you now have a decision to make. And yes, its intentional.
IP limit is low, IMO. G20 has 6 active pitcher slots and a 1400 IP limit. Would you consider bumping this up a bit?
I'd be open to that, but lets get filled first.
Vetoes: Assuming the two teams in question can't vote on the trade, you should probably hard code 7 "no" votes as a veto of the trade
Good catch. It should be amended to read, "If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed"
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| | | 3 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 00:25
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Draft slots are traded with players.
I should expand on this to avoid confusion.
I draft a player in around 6 in 2014, then turn around and trade him to Perm Dude. In 2015 I then get my normal round 6 pick. PD can keep that player by giving up his round 6 pick, or drop that player and retain his round 6 pick (assuming he doesnt use it on the player he actually drafted).
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| | | 4 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 11:12
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I am definitely interested, as I like the slight tweak on traditional rules.
My one concern - so I want to be sure I'm reading this - if i don't draft Dock Ellis, but pick him up off the waiver wire, I cannot keep him under any circumstances?
If this is correct, would you consider a rule that allows you to keep up to two players you didn't draft?
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| | | 5 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 12:13
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As the rules are right now Tree, that is correct. You could not keep him. The reasoning for this is because players are tied to their draft rounds. A player picked up as a FA has no draft round tied to him.
I had briefly considered allowing FA to be kept for the last round available, but that could end up causing some extremely skewed values. Imagine 2 years ago in the DD when you grabbed Mike Trout and now you get to keep him as a round 23 pick every year. If you had the foresight to draft him, sure, you get rewarded.
I'd be willing to consider some options. Another one I thought of is that we use Yahoo rankings for FA players. So if you pick up a guy on the FA/WW list in 2014 and in 2015 he has an ADP of round 6.5, you can keep him for a round 6 pick.
For now, we'll let the rule stand but yes,I'd be willing to consider some tweaks to the system. I think we should get filled out before serious discussion about it, though. And I'd be open to some other ideas.
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| | | 6 | Species
ID: 57862918
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 12:38
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In one of my leagues, where we draft 25 players, players off of waivers may be kept in Round 12. If you get a stud, you get a bargain......but if it's just a 'nice' player, you have to really consider whether its worth keeping them.
Don't have time for another league, but at least wanted to throw out the idea of some predetermined Round where waiver wire players could be kept.
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| | | 7 | dpr
ID: 9812921
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 14:17
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I have some interest.
Coupl questions. If you have two players who have round 5 draft prices, could we consider rolling one forward so that it costs you a 4th? It seems still to punish in that case for being drafted to low?
Also can I keep a player indefintely with no inflation? Not sure this is the best idea and will lead to all the young players being drafted as prospects and kept as late picks every year.
Not sure straight draft makes the most sense either. Shouldnt be as hard to fix you keeper list with these rules, so a straight draft balances manager abilities which I dont think is a good idea.
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| | | 8 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 14:37
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If you have two players who have round 5 draft prices, could we consider rolling one forward so that it costs you a 4th?
I had thought of this but ultimately opted against it for 2 reasons:
1) simplicity's sake
2) player pool turn over
Also can I keep a player indefintely with no inflation? Not sure this is the best idea and will lead to all the young players being drafted as prospects and kept as late picks every year.
Yes, you can keep him indefinitely with no inflation. I considered inflation of 1 round/ year but again for simplicities sake I opted against that. As for young players being picked late, there are 2 trends that I think balance this out - grabbing players in very late rounds who are not MLB ready and in traditional keeper leagues grabbing super prospects ahead of their actual ADP. Managers can't over-reach for prospects with any intention of keeping them. But if you wait until the very last rounds you risk losing prospects to others. In theory this should make for some interesting decision making opportunities that savvy managers can take advantage of.
Perhaps a better fix to what I think you are concerned about is something I'm still debating in my own head - the number of keepers. With 9, you could easily target a guy who is 2 years away from being mlb ready in the last round of a draft and just stash him. These rules need to be balanced with the number of keepers available and I can see the potential for some 'abuse' in that regard.
Not sure straight draft makes the most sense either. Shouldnt be as hard to fix you keeper list with these rules, so a straight draft balances manager abilities which I dont think is a good idea.
I hadn't considered that and it may be something worth changing.
Here's a compilation of ideas that I think are valuable to consider and that wont fundamentally change the league:
1. keeper total from 0-9 down to 0-7
2. snake draft
3. 1350 to 1400 IP limit
4. A way to keep WW/FA pick ups as keepers (how this is done is important but some good ideas out there)
Just a note, I'm advertising this league to multiple groups of people. Here, rotoworld, my office league and my guild on WoW. I haven't opened it up to Yahoo boards yet (and hope I wont have to). But spots are first come, first serve. As of now, less than 24 hours after the initial posting we've had 8 inquiries and people are staring to sign up. This league doesnt look like it will take long to fill.
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| | | 9 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 15:38
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Please note a change in example 4 above. As it was originally posted, it was in direct contradiction to example 1 under the keeper rules.
Think of them like: Come draft time I set up the slots, 1-14 for 23 rounds. If I keep Ryne Sandberg from round 5, then before the draft starts I'll go into the draft and assign Sandberg to my slot in round 5. Come round 5, he's essentially my pick, pre-made for me. If I'm the only one keeping somebody from round 5 and my draft slot is the 6 pick, PRE draft the round looks like this:
5.1 Manager A
5.2 Manager B
5.3 Manager C
5.4 Manager D
5.5 Manager E
5.6 Ryne Sandberg
5.7. Manager G
5.8 Manager H
etc
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| | | 10 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 20:05
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i like 9 keepers. it's a twist.
that's why i proposed up to two keepers that were free agents (keepers 8 and 9).
the first year, as someone else proposed, they're an automatic 12th (or whatever) draft pick, for draft purposes.
but after that, the price goes up. either a third rounder, or, whatever the ADP is on a pre-determined website.
as for the draft, i think a snake the first year works well, but you have to go with some sort of straight worst to first draft in following years.
that being said, i'd love to see some sort of "supplemental pick" where if you give up rounds 1 and 2, you get an extra third round pick, and the end of the round. just a thought, but maybe too complicated.
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| | | 11 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 20:07
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There are now 5 teams registered and 7 pending invites with more invites expected to go out in the next few days. Sorry, I'm not reserving spots. If somebody requests and invite, I'll send it and when we have 14, we are full. So if you are interested, hop in asap! 24 hours and 12 requests to join with 5 signed up....this wont be open for long.
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| | | 12 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 22:46
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Would be interested if there is still room.
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| | | 13 | WG
ID: 59552022
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 22:50
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Am also interested if there's room.
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| | | 14 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Mon, Feb 17, 2014, 23:46
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Khahan- I would be interested too
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| | | 15 | mailedfoot
ID: 531322718
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 06:38
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I would like to participate
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| | | 16 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 10:17
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9 spots filled, only 5 left and there are 10 pending invites. Spots are first come, first serve.
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| | | 17 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 13:08
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Sure why not, count me in.
Yahoo or ESPN?
Straight draft vs snake in following years?
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| | | 18 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 13:51
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I would like to be in.
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| | | 19 | bettorwin
ID: 591351815
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 16:57
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I'm looking forward to this league. I love the little nuances that make it different from my other keeper/dynasty leagues. I do have a question though...why are we having the draft on draftime rather than a live draft on yahoo? Just wondering.
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| | | 20 | gurudan
ID: 39211221
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 17:38
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I'm registered at yahoo. what is the password at draftime?
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| | | 21 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 17:42
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Bettorwin welcome to rotoguru.- We've always found having a set time for a draft is near impossible to coordinate with 14 people spread across the country in different time zones. As a fast draft, it is appealing - boom -we're done. But from a practical standpoint doing it as a slow draft allows everybody to make their draft decisions and draft the best team possible rather than having even 1 or 2 teams that can't make a given time have to set on auto draft.
Also, in future years, a live draft at yahoo wont support our kind of keepers
Gurudan - password at draftime is whatever you set it as. I have to send out the registration link for our league specifically which I'll do once we're full.
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| | | 22 | gurudan
ID: 39211221
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 18:54
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thanks i'll get it after we're registered as a draft
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| | | 23 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 20:36
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We are full. All 16 slots taken, 8 from rotoguru and 6 from rotoworld.
I have sent out the email from draftime to register for the draft. All managers should do this asap so we can get organized, get the order set and make sure we dont miss anything.
Now a few orders of business.
1. IP limit was raised. For this I think a simple majority vote is fine. We're at 1350 and it was suggested 1400. It doesn't really affect the nature of the league in way.
2. Future drafts - snake or non-snake. I had put non-snake in because traditionally that gives weaker teams a chance to come back in keeper leagues. But I think our keeper rules may show a bit more turn over of players and resolve this. I'm fine with either way.
3. # of keepers. I would like a bit of discussion on this one and since it could affect the nature of the league (a deep keeper league vs a medium) I'm more inclined to look for 75% vote for a change. I'm also open to hear a bit more about what Tree was discussing in post 10 but no matter what I would not consider lowering the max cap below 7. At that point it seems like a drastically different kind of keeper league.
4. Initial rules stated no FA/WW players could be keepers but some think this should be changed. I think this certainly warrants some discussion for some options. A few are already posted but to recap:
1) A round can be assigned to keep players picked up via FA/WW. Example r12 for all FA/WW pickups
2) Use yahoo's average draft pick to determine which round a player would normally go in and a FA/WW gets assigned that round. Example - pick up Bill Buckner off the FA wire. Next season pre-season predictions give him an average draft slot of 156. We are a 14 team league so 156/14=11.2 So bill buckner would cost you an 11th round pick.
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| | | 24 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 20:57
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<23> Lots of book keeping for this league. Whatever we select to do, we should be mindful of the workload we put on the commish when proposing rules.
I see no discussion of prospects, I assume we aren't going there.
I see that positions are LF CF RF vs OF X 3. Thats an interesting challenge with just 5 BN.
MI and CI positions but just 3 OF?
7 Pitchers enough for 1400 IP?
OK that's enough for now
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| | | 25 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 21:27
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I'm with Tree on the snake draft for 1st year and straight reverse for future years. And yea, the CF, RF, LF thing makes me nervous but it's a challenge I guess.
The FA keeper thing is tricky. The 12th round thing for FA sounds good mixed with pre-determined ADP from a site for future years.
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| | | 26 | nerveclinic
ID: 8832812
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 22:03
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I won Gurukeepers two of the three years I was in it.
I am interested.
Email attached...
Cheers nerveclinic....
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| | | 27 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 22:29
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Would love to have you in the league Nerve. You were always good in the gurukeepers. But we're full.
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| | | 28 | DowntownDomBrown
ID: 521351821
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 22:35
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I definitely think we should be able to keep our FA. I like the idea of the ~12th round. Though i've also done leagues where its the last round pick. I would be fine with both.
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| | | 29 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 22:42
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a simple solution would be to assign the FA the same draft spot as the guy he replaced. Of course then the whole DL thing gets in the way. Fix that by having no DL and a larger Bench.
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| | | 30 | VampireWeekemd
ID: 551571821
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 22:58
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Definitely think there should be an option to keep FA - I like assigning something like 12 but would be fine with another alternative.
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| | | 31 | gurudan
ID: 39211221
Tue, Feb 18, 2014, 23:07
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I like keeping 7 players and the rule of the avg yahoo draft position for FA'S. Last year puig would of been an FA,more than likely,and will be at least go fairly high.
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| | | 32 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 00:13
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Lots of book keeping for this league. Whatever we select to do, we should be mindful of the workload we put on the commish when proposing rules.
Appreciate the thought Bean, but I was aware of the bookkeeping when we started. I want a league people can immerse themselves in and have fun with. If that is happening, I dont mind a bit of extra work.
As to that bookkeeping, I dont think it will really be all that hard. Both yahoo and draftime will archive our drafts so we'll always have a reference. The hardest part I think will be tracking trades.
I see that positions are LF CF RF vs OF X 3. Thats an interesting challenge with just 5 BN.
A few have mentioned it to be a challenge or interesting. To be honest, when I was drafting the constitution I had 3x OF initially. But I was looking for one more little twist to make this league different from the rest. I thought of the stat categories and there are a lot of good arguments for different categories. But in the end, the 5x5 standard format is the easiest. All rankings we find, all sites we would use, all research we develop is based off of 5x5 stats. Mixed in with how we do keeper values, it simply makes sense to have the stats keep pace w/ the information.
So that left me with positions and as I looked at OF my head went, "Oh, boy here we go. More OF slots. Wait..why is it so generic? Ugh. just plain old OF!" So it was a conscious decision to give us a change of pace. I did 1 league a few years ago that used cf/lf/rf and it was a nice change.
But I also didnt give thought to 5 bench slots and 2 additional positions to fill. Maybe we should do 6 bench and a 24 man roster/draft.
I definitely think we should be able to keep our FA.
This seems to be a recurring theme, Downtown. So far while not everybody specifically voted, we have 7 people (counting myself) who are in favor of a way to keep FA. We'll need to get input from nearly everybody, but 7 for 7 in favor is a pretty overwhelming start.
I dont like the idea of simply going with the last round. I think that makes some players blatantly obvious with no decision making ever involved, no matter what point in their career they are. That's not what I want from keepers. Players can be locked up for life in this league but there will be a real cost associated with it.
My personal vote is to keep the adp for that next year. So I grabbed Puig off the waiver wire last year. This year he has an adp of 24 which in a 14 team league is round 2. So this year he is a R2 keeper. Since I'm effectively drafting him in R2, I need to give up my R2 pick every year for him, or throw him back. At that point it doesn't matter that he was a FA for tracking purposes. We now have an archived draft to hold that info for us.
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| | | 33 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 00:43
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i like your last suggestion, but with a modification. i really do believe there should be a "reward" for grabbing a FA and them becoming a keeper.
so maybe the first year, stick with the 12th round. but after that, it's ADP...
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| | | 34 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 15:04
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Here's a rule I would like to see. It's a pet peave of mine.
Too often in most leagues, the same guy gets all of the recently named closers during the season. Their ability to get to the yahoo league and grab that guy, before others have even had a chance to hear that news, can often be enough to win the league. When that happens, we have unconsciously crowned a champ for being the quickest on the draw, not for being the guy who is making the best decisions (its all alot of luck as we all can attest anyway, but that's another subject).
It's an easy fix, no FA pickups...only waiver wire pickups with a 48 hour waiver period.
Has the effect of reducing the impact of late season streaming as well, just in case you don't care for that either.
Anyway, that's my $0.02.
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| | | 35 | gurudan
ID: 39211221
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 15:33
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re: #34 isn't some of the strategy in keeper leagues to acquire rookies for the future called up at season end? they wouldn't appear on the WW and losing them defeats the future plans of the manager.
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| | | 36 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 15:44
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I dont see my proposal as eliminating a late season pick up of any sort. It just slows the process down.
You seem to be talking about an issue that would be there with or without a required WW 48 hour review.
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| | | 37 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 15:52
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Bean- that is actually exactly why I didn't want to make FA picks up available as keepers. I didn't want a long term reward simply for being quickest on the draw. However, I think some of the proposed ideas give us some good resolutions to that problem.
As for waiver pick ups, I'll go with the majority on this. I understand your point and share your frustration at times. But my personal vote would still be a no. In trying to fix one problem that is an individual manager problem, I see us creating more problems that are league-wide.
What do you do if you your team has an injury your bench doesn't fill? You have to wait 2 days to fill it? What about a player who is day-to-day and only missing a few games on a Mon or thursday when your bench is off? Again, waiting to fill it?
How about making a trade that is 2 for 1. You wait to move 2 players, get 1 back and now have to wait 2 days to have that hole plugged?
There are numerous examples on both sides of this. I just think the lesser of the 2 evils is to keep it the way it is.
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| | | 38 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 15:56
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Also like you said - reducing late season streaming. Its actually a perfectly valid strategy that many managers employ. Last season in my office league I drafted very hitter heavy and grabbed a few late round pitching sleepers. I didn't work pitchers until the last month. With 4 weeks to go I was in 2nd place, 11 points out of first with a 1 in W's and K's. I took over first the second to last day and kept it because I spent that time rotating pitchers in accordance with my draft strategy. I've seen Great One do similar things quite often too. I dont like the idea of eliminating a valid strategy altogether.
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| | | 39 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 16:19
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Actually Khahan, I am OK with whatever ruleset is chosen. We all will be playing with the same one, and we have a blank canvas of a roster to create our masterpiece.
At some point you are going to have to decide what is or is not worthy of voting on. Just need to figure out when we have stopped brainstorming and we are getting down to a plan.
Just throwing things out there.
There were two nobody reacted to, that I think need some clarity though. Is 7 pitcher slots and 1400 IP a correct pair of numbers? Is it intentional to have a CI and a MI slot but only have 3 OF slots, or was that an oversight?
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| | | 40 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 16:32
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Hey, just a note on why I've implied that late season streaming might be a bad thing.
If there is more than one person doing it in the league, you get a problem very similar to the issue with closers. The difference is that, now, instead of being fast on the draw, you got to be the guy who is willing to stay up all night to make your transaction right when the league day change occurs to beat the other guy to the punch. Helluva thing to be subjected to just for a game, dont you think?
Its kinda like those stock market games, where if you werent there at the opening bell you had no chance of doing well. A good connection helped if you were OK with the start time.
But, like I said, I am good with whatever ruleset you end up publishing. You are the guy who has to enforce it.
Thanks for the invite, I'll try to be quiet awhile so others can contribute.
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| | | 41 | gurudan
ID: 39211221
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 16:46
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I've played a lot of yahoo leagues, and always believed that a manager on the west coast always had an advantage on FA'S because their slots in all sports become available at 300 am eastern time. I'd prefer only waiver wire adds.
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| | | 42 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 18:15
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If there is more than one person doing it in the league, you get a problem very similar to the issue with closers. The difference is that, now, instead of being fast on the draw, you got to be the guy who is willing to stay up all night to make your transaction right when the league day change occurs to beat the other guy to the punch. Helluva thing to be subjected to just for a game, dont you think?
I dont see it as a problem, tbh. Its just the way things are and that is one of the risks of doing that kind of a strategy.
I'm not really seriously considering all players always on WW. If enough speak up in favor I'll listen. But again it will create far more problems than it will resolve.
I'm also not throwing every suggestion up for a vote but some of the rules in the constitution were made with a reason behind them and others were made, 'because thats how we always did it.' Rules that are there because thats the way we always did it (like snake vs non-snake) I'm more than willing to listen in case I missed taking something into consideration our more unique rules does.
Like the question about cf, rf, lf with mi/ci. Not sure I understand what the point is of bringing this up. What do those different positions have to do with each other that you'd pair them together and question them?
As for brainstorming - we do have a constitution with rules written out. You implicitly agreed to it by joining the league so there is no need to brainstorm these ideas. I'm willing to listen if there is sound reasoning (like only 5 bench slots but a wider variety of specific positions to fill. I had 5 because its not overly restrictive but not so large that we have a second team sitting around. But since we have 3 different of spots instead of a generic 1 spot that any ol' OF can fill, its worth considering).
I dont want to shut down conversation but really, we dont need to change everything. A few tweaks are in order and we have those 4 points to vote on. We seem in favor of allowing FA/WW pick ups to be kept so any brainstorming should go towards resolving that or simply voting on the options we already have.
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| | | 43 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 20:42
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<42> "What do those different positions have to do with each other that you'd pair them together and question them?"
Using CI and MI without also increasing to 4 X OF is unusual. If it was your intent to increase the need for infielders without increasing the need for outfileders then lets press on, just thought it was an oversight.
Have you addressed 1400 IPs and just 7 pitching slots (200 IP per slot)? Havent seen a response on that, I assume you dont think its a big deal.
Thanks for the timely consideration.
Bean
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| | | 44 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 21:52
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The IP limit is something we are actually voting on. I think there is a good range and 1400 is the high end of that range. Probably anywhere from 1250-1400.
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| | | 45 | bettorwin
ID: 581201921
Wed, Feb 19, 2014, 22:21
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Just to throw in another opinion:
I'm in favor of an extra bench slot for a total of 6.
I like a keeper total of 8. If you add the extra bench slot, then you have a 24 man roster. 8 keepers give you the option of keeping up to one third of your team.
I like the original draft set up for future years. No snake draft just a straight draft depending on the order of finish with the added twist of the lottery.
I have no opinion on innings limits. No matter what is decided we all have to deal with the same number.If it was up to me there wouldn't be any limits, but I understand the reason to have them.
As far as keeping free agents, I think we should go by the ADP set by yahoo (or whatever site you choose) the very next year.
Having said all that, I'm good with whatever the rules are. I'm just happy to be here!
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| | | 46 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 15:15
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The other thing we need to discuss is draft order. Since we are offline at yahoo, we don't have an easy 1 click way. So I'm going to set us up in alphabetical order (of team name), generate 2 sets of numbers from random.org
So it will be alphabetical by team name, lined up and reordered based on a randomly generated 1-14, then that order will be lined up and re-ordered based on a second set of randomly generated 1-14.
This is how guru does it for the ribc leagues for us picking our order. This is the only time that will be needed.
To start, here is the alphabetical listing of our team names:
Amit Simha's Team
Bean's Mudhens
Burgandy Ballers
Downtown Dom Brown
Dr Paul Geezers VIII
Foot's Soldiers
Khahan's Killers
Monkey Moe
My Team
PortRicheyStriptease
Roller Derby Pirates
Sir Gorylla
The Power of Lemke
Vampire Weekend
I'll generate 2 sets of numbers and post them below w/ a link to very time stamps.
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| | | 47 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 15:16
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Verify timestamp on sequence 1
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| | | 48 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 15:17
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And timestamp on sequence 2
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| | | 49 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 15:35
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So putting the alphabetized list over list 1 you get
12 Amit Smiha's Team
10 Bean's Mudhens
2 Burgandy Ballers
13 Downtown Dom Brown
6 Dr Paul Geezers VIII
3 Foot's Soldiers
9 Khahan's Killers
8 Monkey Moe
1 My Team
11 PortRicheyStriptease
7 Roller Derby Pirates
4 Sir Gorylla
5 The Power of Lemke
14 Vampire Weekend
Numerically ordered
1. My Team
2. Burgandy Ballers
3. Foot's Soldiers
4. Sir Gorylla
5. The Power of Lemke
6. Dr Paul Geezers VIII
7. Roller Derby Pirates
8. Monkey Moe
9. Khahan's Killers
10. Bean's Mudhens
11. PortRicheyStriptease
12. Amit Simha's Team
13. Downtown Dom Brown
14. Vampire Weekend
Next post will take the above list starting w/ My Team and apply sequence 2 the same way and that new list will be our draft order for this year.
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| | | 50 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 15:41
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1. My Team 13
2. Burgandy Ballers 3
3. Foot's Soldiers 12
4. Sir Gorylla 6
5. The Power of Lemke 10
6. Dr Paul Geezers VIII 7
7. Roller Derby Pirates 4
8. Monkey Moe 9
9. Khahan's Killers 14
10. Bean's Mudhens 5
11. PortRicheyStriptease 11
12. Amit Simha's Team 8
13. Downtown Dom Brown 2
14. Vampire Weekend 1
Re-ordering that list according to the values from sequence 2 we get:
OUR OFFICIAL DRAFT ORDER
1. Vampire Weekend
2. Downtown Dom Brown
3. Burgandy Ballers
4. Roller Derby Pirates
5. Bean's Mudhens
6. Sir Gorylla
7. Dr Paul Geezers VIII
8. Amit Simha's Team
9. Monkey Moe
10. The Power of Lemke
11. PortRicheyStriptease
12. Foot's Soldiers
13. My Team
14. Khahan's Killers
Once Everybody is signed up at draftime I can input this and open the site up for people to explore. We are only missing 2 people at draftime. So close here.
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| | | 51 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 17:50
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I like the 24 man roster and 6 bench slots. I also like the challenge of lf/cf/rf . The one huge downside of this is drafttime does not show this. I know with only a 4 hr clock this might be hard to do on my phone, but challenged accepted.
Max innings. I am the guy that says the higher the better, so teams will care more about pitching. 1400 sounds great, but more could be better.
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| | | 52 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 18:07
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<50> Just to be clear: This is the draft order, not just the order that we are going to choose our draft position, like we do in the RIBC leagues, right?
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| | | 53 | wiggs
ID: 1768158
Fri, Feb 21, 2014, 19:09
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The nice thing with draft time is u can set a queue and the besttthing with rotoguru leagues is people text people to let them know who is up and who has been taken.
Welcome to all the new players to the rotoguru family.
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| | | 54 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 08:16
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52 - yes, that is actually our draft order.
51 - Ok, even though it wasn't officially put up for a vote artofmonk is like the 4th or 5th person to suggest a 24 man roster. I admitted I didn't give much thought to the extra kinds of positions to fill. I think I'm just going to make an executive decision to add the extra bench slot and go 24 rounds.
Draftime wont allow the change, but we'll deal with that easily enough when the time comes.
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| | | 55 | gurudan
ID: 12149229
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 10:49
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sorry if I caused confusion, gurudan is the monkey moe at yahoo
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| | | 56 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 15:56
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Just need Tree to sign up at draftime and we're good.
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| | | 57 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 19:54
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done.
yahoo is probably the worst place for me to see emails, because i get so much junk mail there. thusly, i missed it. :/
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| | | 58 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sat, Feb 22, 2014, 20:13
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Ok, need to make sure I have all the different team names for the various sites matched up.
1. Vampire Weekend - Vampire Weekend
2. Downtown Dom Brown - Kazuo316
3. Burgandy Ballers - Nadmaq
4. Roller Derby Pirates - Tree
5. Bean's Mudhens - beancline
6. Sir Gorylla - Goryllas
7. Dr Paul Geezers VIII - Prockwo
8. Amit Simha's Team -airallnite
9. Monkey Moe - gurudan
10. The Power of Lemke - artofmonk
11. PortRicheyStriptease - bettorwin
12. Foot's Soldiers - mailedfoot
13. My Team - Wiggs
14. Khahan's Killers - sure as hell hope I know this one
Ok, got my cheat sheet for setting up draft order.
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| | | 59 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 07:29
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How do I get texts for who's up and who was drafted? Is that not available at drafttime?
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| | | 60 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 08:24
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draftime will email you when you are up. It also has a grid and list display of all players taken.
The texts that Wiggs and I mentioned are something managers have done on our own for each other.
One thing I see that will be an issue we will have to work around - draftime does not seem to support rf/lf/cf designations. As players are picked I may have to go in and assign them.
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| | | 61 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 08:50
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I have probably missed it…but when are we starting with official picks?
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| | | 62 | wiggs
ID: 1768158
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 13:37
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If anyone wants texts for whose been picked email me ur phone number and I will put u on my list.
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| | | 63 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 14:09
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Vamp, I have it opened so we can set up queues and get used to the site for the first timers, but we have a ton of time yet. The official start time is Monday March 10, that is when the clock begins. Lets hold off on making any picks until we're a bit closer to that point.
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| | | 64 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 17:11
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Is there only one RP spot in there? Also, what about players that are CF/LF eligible like Jackie Bradley? Can we use those in any of those eligible spots or not?
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| | | 65 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Feb 24, 2014, 17:42
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There's 2 SP, 1 RP and 4x P spots, so grab as many rp as you want, you can use them
And players get positional eligibility based on yahoo rules. So if they qualify for both RF and CF you could start them in either or. Just like Ben Zobrist being eligible at 2nd, SS and RF. In our league you could start him at 2nd, SS, MI, Util or RF, but not CF or LF, 1st or 3rd or CI or C.
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| | | 66 | VampireWeekend
ID: 141142716
Thu, Feb 27, 2014, 17:21
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As of today, I do not plan on starting early...maybe sometime next weekend at the earliest. Should that change or the Commish urges me to get things going I will post again here.
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| | | 67 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 13:45
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Going to kick things off later today - pick should be in around 3:30 central.
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| | | 68 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 14:53
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I thought the draft starts on Monday the 10th
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| | | 69 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 15:10
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Greg - draft clock starts on Monday the 10th. Between now and then we set the pace. Figure its a good idea since we have 6 people who have not used the draft software yet. If anybody makes a mistake or has a problem of any kind we can correct them w/out the pressure of a clock.
It will give everybody a chance to learn the site but us the ability to correct any major screw ups from not knowing the site yet.
Also, keep an eye on your rosters at Yahoo. I'll be inputting picks periodically as they happen so you can use the yahoo software as way to track who is still available.
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| | | 70 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 16:01
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Gotcha
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| | | 71 | VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Tue, Mar 04, 2014, 16:27
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Pick has been made at draftime...we are off and running or walking...
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| | | 72 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 00:40
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<54> OK, so we have 24 picks, so I guess we have 6 BN slots. Is it 1350 IPs then?
We are drafting now, we need to know what IPs we are drafting to very soon.
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| | | 73 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 07:13
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yeah, we added an extra bench slot from our discussions but changing the IP did not get enough support so we left it as is - 1350
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| | | 74 | bettorwin
ID: 5222512
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 13:22
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I had my queue set up for my first few picks but set it for a 60 minute delay so that I could make adjustments depending on who was available. However it made my pick after just 60 seconds. I thought it was set right. Anyway, I'm sharing in case someone can tell me what I did wrong.
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| | | 75 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 13:44
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bettor, did you get a guy you didn't want? This is why I'm starting w/out the clock. Sounds like an issue for you setting up which I think we're all willing to work with. I'll shoot you an email. The draft is stopped at themoment. If you are fine w/ edwin, we'll go on. If there was somebody else you would have preferred let me know and we can fix it.
1st year of a keeper league, round 1...pretty big pick that can impact your team for years to come. You should at least have a shot at building the team you want. Just a heads up, as of Monday when the clock is running, this is less likely to happen. Call this an adjustment period for our friends from rotoworld.
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| | | 76 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 14:19
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Ok, change was made at my discretion. Considering no other picks were made, first time using the queue system etc it simply seems like the right thing to do to allow him to actually choose who he wanted.
This does not mean we all get 1 free do-over. Most of us have been using this software for a few years now. It just means in this case, under these specific circumstances in the spirit of fair play, good sportsmanship, it was the right thing to do.
Draft is back up and running.
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| | | 77 | bettorwin
ID: 5222512
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 14:19
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Thanks. I would've been fine either way. I'm just not sure why it didn't work the way I thought it would.
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| | | 78 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 15:24
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I figured how to set up the queue (which seems to be manual input) except that timer and auto-pick. Where are the options for those? When I click set up queue it just lets me input players and not set up a timer. Also, there is no way to view a list of players? Do I need to keep track manually?
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| | | 79 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 16:01
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Setting queues:
1. click on "queues" in upper right corner
2. click on 'general queue' to manually add players to a list you can draw from thru the whole draft
3. click on "pick based" to manually add players you want to target in a specific round (note this will over ride the general queue)
To set times for queues:
1. Click on 'general queue' in left of screen
2. Add a player to your queue
3. on right side click: 'auto pick off' to turn on auto pick
4. the screen options will change and now you click on On: (Delay: none)
5. Input the # of minutes you want your autopick to delay.
To set a pre-ranking of players:
1. log in
2. in far upper right corner click on "pre-rank players"
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| | | 80 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:23
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sorry guys, I hate to make this call for myself, but I never turned my auto pick on. I was waiting for wiggs to pick and next thing I know there are 2 auto picks for me. I must have set the one while I was checking out how to do it to post the guide for Greg.
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| | | 81 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:31
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As a matter of fact, I'm emailing Fred. When I was in my queue settings for writing up post 79 I went back and made a point of turning the auto pick to OFF.
Bettorwin had an issue too. Worth giving Fred a heads up.
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| | | 82 | wiggs
ID: 1768158
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:33
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Sucks because I picked davis must be nice at the same time
I thought it was done then ibwent back and it was my pick
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| | | 83 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:41
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If you had taken davis I wouldn't have undone it... in fact I would have taken Votto (and almost did). Sorry for that wiggs.
It was a technical glitch though. No doubt in my mind, after setting my auto queue I went back and clicked and saw it was turned off. I then moved on and on my screen for the draft listing it was set to 'queue unfilled: unavailable' just like it is now.
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| | | 84 | gurudan
ID: 12149229
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:46
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sounds like total mass confusion. this league should be EASY PICKINS (LOL)
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| | | 85 | wiggs
ID: 1768158
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:46
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No problem I was between the 2 u just made it easier for me to decide
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| | | 86 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:51
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rofl guru. It sure seems that way. Of course I'm one of the confused one so that doesn't bode well for me.
Gotta say, I'm psyched about Adam Jones in R2 though.
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| | | 87 | wiggs
ID: 1768158
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 19:53
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Well I was between ellsbury and jones only took ellsbury because I just traded for jones in another league
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| | | 88 | goryllas
ID: 2236522
Wed, Mar 05, 2014, 23:36
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figured out the queue. Thanks
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| | | 89 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:25
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Back to #80/81 posts. I think we figured out what happened. Near as we can tell from talking to fred who was checking the logs - greg asked how to do something, I couldn't remember so I walked myself thru the steps of setting up the auto queue and pick timer so I could post the quick walk-thru. As i was doing that Wiggs was actually picking and then the system which defaults to instant pick made the picks for me based on the random names I thru in there to get the example set up.
Doesn't really change anything. Just good to know what happened.
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| | | 90 | bettorwin
ID: 5222512
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 14:51
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So it wasn't a glitch. Too bad. That means I'm still a moron. I was hoping my oops was part of the glitch.
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| | | 91 | bettorwin
ID: 5222512
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 15:03
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I'm having trouble logging on to draftime. Anyone else having an issue?
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| | | 92 | bettorwin
ID: 5222512
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 15:09
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Return to index page
General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysql4 ]
Too many connections [1040]
An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator if this problem persists.
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| | | 93 | bettorwin
ID: 5222512
Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 15:24
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Ok. I'm on now.
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| | | 94 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Fri, Mar 07, 2014, 08:12
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Guys I'll be picking this morning but I'm agonizing between 3 players for my 2 picks here.
2 pretty elite SP or one of those an 2nd tier OF. I dont often have 2 SP after 4 rounds (heck sometimes I dont have 1 after 4 rounds) but the pickins available are awfully tempting to lock up for a few years. I feel like with this pick I cant make the right one. ugh.
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| | | 95 | WG
ID: 552431321
Sat, Mar 08, 2014, 19:20
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Probably should have gotten clarification before but do the keeper rounds stick forever?
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| | | 96 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 12:48
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WG - yes.
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| | | 97 | Greg
ID: 2236522
Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 12:49
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I'd like to know where we stand on this too and about waivers keepers too. I know some of this was discussed before but I can't find the conversation.
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| | | 98 | Greg
ID: 2236522
Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 12:50
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Oh damn. lol just posted almost at the same time. NVM
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| | | 99 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 13:13
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updates to constitution
I've updated the league constitution above per our discussions.
-5 bench slots has been increased to 6.
-All references to 23 roster spots or 23 rounds of draft have been changed to 24.
-added language to keeper rules example 2 for further clarificatoin: however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players
-added language to keeper rule example 3 for further clarification: I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a 5 pick before keepers are delcared
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| | | 100 | Greg
ID: 2236522
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 11:51
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Just went to check the draft and I'm having problems with the site. It won't let me see the site. Says 403 Forbidden. I can use the internet normally otherwise. Draftime.com is down or something? Anyone else having probs?
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| | | 101 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 11:57
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It's ridiculously slow right now. I get an occaisional home page when I refresh. The server's internet connection must not be very good or its comm port needs attention.
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| | | 102 | gurudan
ID: 12149229
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:27
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same problem #100 slow's not even the word
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| | | 103 | Tree
ID: 521101115
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:27
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Can't access it either.. And I'm probably up. :-)
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| | | 104 | artofmonk
ID: 40825312
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:31
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not good for draft time to go down when all of the drafts begin with a clock. I wonder if they will have the clock continue run even though no one can draft? I guess we just wait.
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| | | 105 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:35
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<103> This is where we were before the crash:
087 07.03 Nadmaq
088 07.04 Tree
089 07.05 beancline
090 07.06 goryllas
091 07.07 Prockwo
092 07.08 airallnite
093 07.09 gurudan
094 07.10 ARTOFMONK
095 07.11 bettorwin
096 07.12 mailedfoot
097 07.13 wiggs
098 07.14 Khahan
099 08.01 Khahan
100 08.02 wiggs
101 08.03 mailedfoot
102 08.04 bettorwin
103 08.05 ARTOFMONK
104 08.06 gurudan
105 08.07 airallnite
106 08.08 Prockwo
107 08.09 goryllas
108 08.10 beancline
109 08.11 Tree
110 08.12 Nadmaq
111 08.13 kazuo316
112 08.14 vampireweekend
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| | | 106 | bettorwin
ID: 332381012
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:38
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its back up.
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| | | 107 | bettorwin
ID: 332381012
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:39
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it skipped nadmaq
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| | | 108 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:48
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here's the time stamp from the last pick made:
Mar 10, 7:12 am
You really concerned that Nadmaq wasnt given enough time to make his pick?
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| | | 109 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:55
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Not gonna be home for an hour. I'll pick as soon as I get home.
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| | | 110 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:06
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Nvm. Just used my phone...awkwardly might I add.
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| | | 111 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:16
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I've stopped the draft for now. Sorry, I tried to do this earlier before anypicks were made but work is kicking my ass right now. I finally have a few mins breather here. Give me a moment to get some info and we'll decide how to move forward with the missed pick.
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| | | 112 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:19
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Ok, I'm trying to find out how much during nadmaq's clock was actually missed due to the site being down.
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| | | 113 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:24
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Seems to be fixed. He has his pick in and i received no emails indicating a different pick. From the time stamps and when the draft went down it was nearly 4 hours.
Draft is back up and running and we're back on normal schedule. And to address the posts, no it should not take 4 hours to make a pick but with day to day life 4 hours is pretty reasonable. Never know if you come up right when you go into a meeting or get in a car for a trip etc. The clock is designed to let us have our normal daily crap happen and still not get skipped. Hopefully with queues and simple attention we average under an hour a pick.
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| | | 114 | bettorwin
ID: 332381012
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 18:57
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We've made 5 picks this last half hour. Let's keep it going.
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| | | 115 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 19:57
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Wow,I dont remember the last draft I took a closer before round 10.
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| | | 116 | bettorwin
ID: 332381012
Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 10:44
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Having trouble getting on to draftime this morning.
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| | | 117 | Khahan
Donor
ID: 39432178
Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 12:55
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Things seem to be running smoothly now but the site admin is giving us somewhat regular updates in this thread.
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| | | 118 | Greg
ID: 491271820
Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 09:41
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Trouble with draftime. Assuming it will get sorted in a while c
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| | | 119 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 01:16
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We're under way. I still have to reset the waiver order, will get that done thursday.
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| | | 120 | WG
ID: 282412213
Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 14:41
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I drafted Gregory but was given Placido Polanco. Thanks.
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| | | 121 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, May 04, 2014, 20:09
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New record in futility set I believe. My team's "lack of" hitters is 0-32 today.
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| | | 122 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 00:10
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As we approach the fantasy trade deadline I just want to hilight a few of our rules to avoid confusion:
1. You can keep UP TO 9 players. So 0-9 players is acceptable.
2. You must have a draft pick available in that round to keep a player. So if you traded and got a player picked in round 3 from another team you would need to either choose that guy, your own guy you drafted or acquire a second round 3 pick.
3. Players picked up off the waiver wire or as free agents are not eligible to be kept.
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| | | 123 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 18:37
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A few things as we come into the final stretch of the season:
1. Wiggs - I think I would have rather had an injured votto not playing than chris davis on my roster. Looks like you made out on that one.
2. There was a lot of discussion about keeper rounds and fa pick ups. I think in 2015 we'll see some real reasons why I set the league up the way I did. Guys like votto, cargo and chris davis who either under-performed or were injured are tough choices keep as 1st or 2nd round players and may be back in the draft pool to restock it (davis almost surely will).
Then you have breakout season players like Garrett Richards, Charlie Blackmon, and Lucas Duda who (barring injury would have) certainly been REALLY nice to have in the draft pool next season.
This is exactly why I didn't want to allow fa pick ups be keeper eligible. I think its a good way to keep the draft pool stocked a bit each season. With upwards of 126 players being kept, a keeper league draft can start to feel irrelevant.
3. I'll encourage everybody, again, as we approach our trade deadline to familiarize themselves with our keeper rules. I've already gotten an email from 1 manager asking for clarification. That is a good thing he asked to make sure. Because our rules are posted and we wont be deviating from them just because you didn't understand them and made a mistake.
One thing I'd like to clarify in the rules - when I say if you pick up a player from the WW or as FA they are not eligible to be kept: this includes players that were drafted, then dropped and later picked up, even if they are picked up by the same team
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| | | 124 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 18:42
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Just an interesting note - somebody could have ignored the OF this year and picked up some mixture of Corey Dickerson, Michael Brantley, Rajai Davis and Angel Pagan in the final 4 rounds and made out like a bandit.
Props to WG for what looks like the steal of the draft with Brantley (currently ranked 7th) in round 24. That's the 7th most productive fantasy player on the season taken with the 329th pick.
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| | | 125 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sat, Sep 20, 2014, 09:45
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Once the last day of the season is over rosters are frozen. No player can be dropped or added. Trades can be made again. Any trade can be worked out thru email and posted in this thread.
Simply work the trade out thru email, agree and post in that thread that it is done. We will update the rosters next season during the draft. That thread is also where we will post our keepers.
For me, I'm willing to trade nearly anybody on my team. Here is a list of my players who are eligible to be kept and the round they were drafted in:
Chris Davis (1)
Adam Jones (2)
Justin Upton (3)-
Felix Hernandez (4)
Alex Cobb (5)
Billy Hamilton (6)
Greg Holland (7)
Pablo Sandoval (8)
Michael Wacha (9)
Kole Calhoun (12)
Howie Kendrick (13)
Francisco Lindor (16)
Alexei Ramirez (17)
Yan Gomes (18)
Avisail Garcia (20)
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| | | 126 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 17:38
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I'm not going ot do this every year, but this year since its our first season and there were a lot of questions about keepers I'm going to list each team's players who are eligible to be kept. These lists do NOT override our rules. If you see a player that shouldnt be on or if I missed a player let me know. Our rules supercede this list, though. Going to try to do 1 or 2 a day.
WG:
Giancarolo Stanton (1)
Yu Darvish (2)
Freddie Freeman (3)
Byron Buxton (5)
Gerrit Cole (6)
Ian Kinsler (7)
Matt Adams (8)
Javier Baez (9)
Julio Teheran (10)
Salvador Perez (11)
Kris Bryant (16)
Gregory Polanco (18)
Michael Brantley (24)
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| | | 127 | mailedfoot
ID: 531322718
Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 20:59
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Congratulations on your championship, Khahan!
Well played!
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| | | 128 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 22:21
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Thank you mailedfoot! Was an exciting season. I nearly gave up as a middle of the packer around may/june.
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| | | 129 | WG
ID: 368272821
Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 22:28
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Congrats Khahan! A well deserved, hard fought victory. I tried to keep you honest til the very end but don't think I ever made it really close down the stretch. Thanks also for starting this league up and running it well; was an interesting change from the other leagues and I definitely had to make some tough choices along the way regarding dropping potential keepers. Looking forward to next year!
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| | | 130 | Khahan
ID: 36821298
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 10:15
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Lottery draft. The following 4 managers were 11th - 14th and qualified for the lottery spots. Their draft order is determined randomly instead of by order of finish:
11. dr paul
12. wonder twins
13. c1
14. roller derby
The 'mix them up' random order is: 4 1 3 2 (http://www.random.org/sequences/?min=1&max=4&col=1&format=html&rnd=new)
This gives us
roller derby
dr paul
c1
wonder twins
And the top 4 draft order numbers are: 1 4 2 3 (http://www.random.org/sequences/?min=1&max=4&col=1&format=html&rnd=new)
Giving us a top 4 draft order of:
1. Roller Derby
2. Wonder Twins
3. dr paul
4. C1
The rest of the draft order for 2015 is:
5. gurudan
6. power of lemke
7. vampire weekend
8. downtown dom brown
9. port richey striptease
10 knights radiant
11 WG
12 foot solders
13 Bean
14 Khahan
Again, the draft is non-snake, so this is the order for every single round. And any player you keep takes up a draft slot in the round he was drafted in. So for example if Vampire Weekend opts to keep Mike Trout I'm essentially assigning trout as Vampire Weekends round 1 pick. If he also opts to keep Christian Yelich, I'm assigning Yelich as Vampire Weekends round 5 pick.
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| | | 131 | Khahan
ID: 36821298
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 10:25
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Bean's list of keeper eligible players:
Paul Goldschmidt (1)
Jean Segura (2)
Carlos Gomez (3)
Buster Posey (4)
Kenley Jansen (5)
Trevor Rosenthal (6)
Matt Holiday (7)
Koji Uehara (8)
Kyle Seager (9)
Michael Cuddyer (10)
Brandon Moss (11)
Johnny Cueto (12)
Cole Hamels (13)
LaTroy Hawkins (16)
Emilio Bonaficio (21)
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| | | 132 | Khahan
ID: 36821298
Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 10:40
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foot soldiers keeper eligible players:
Ryan Braun (1)
Evan Longoria (2)
Ian Desmond (3)
Albert Pujols (4)
Mark Trumbo (5)
Anibal Sanchez (6)
Ben Zobrist (7)
Danny Salazar (8)
Jayson Werth (10)
Jonathan Papelbon (110
Andrew Cashner (12)
Chase Utley (14)
Adam Eaton (15)
Rick Porcello (17)
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| | | 133 | gurudan
ID: 206112913
Tue, Sep 30, 2014, 22:33
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can we keep players taken off the NA roster position? I noticed that during the year, managers were squirreling away prospects.
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| | | 134 | Tree
ID: 55815821
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 08:47
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unless i misunderstand the rules, as long as that manager drafted that player in the original player draft, they are keeper-eligible.
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| | | 135 | Khahan
ID: 1894819
Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 10:48
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Tree is correct.
For example I drafted Franciso Lindor in round 16. He was in the NA slot all season. He never hit FA or WW so he is keeper eligible.
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| | | 136 | Romee
ID: 100501319
Tue, Jan 13, 2015, 20:54
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i know this was posted in OCT but are there any open slots in this league?
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| | | 137 | Tree
ID: 161036918
Tue, Jan 13, 2015, 23:20
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sigh. this bump rehashed the whole oscar taveras thing...
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| | | 138 | Khahan
ID: 340211323
Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 00:21
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Romee, right now we are full. Probably another week or two I'll start sending out reminder emails and we'll get a head count for 2015.
With that said, I have some pretty enticing players available. Some real nice value for the draft round on my team. Anybody who has a 1st rounder they want to move, send me a message.
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| | | 139 | Romee
ID: 100501319
Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 17:37
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no problem. just let me know if someone flakes out. it sounds like an interesting league and ive only been in one keeper ever
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| | | 140 | DowntownDomBrown
ID: 562272213
Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:27
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Keepers. I can't find which round i drafted them. but i believe all are eligible
Miguel Cabrera
Jose Altuve
Chris Sale (Trade from Profar's spot)
Sonny Gray (Trade from Springers spot)
Jorge Soler
Devin Mesorocco
Starlin Castro
Steven Strasburg
Hyun Jin Ryu
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