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Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2016 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species - [1311531116] Mon, Jan 11, 2016, 20:05

The first sets of Pitchers and Catchers report in 5 weeks!! Fantasy football is over........the college Championship is tonight.......so why not start to get our stuff together for an exciting year of G20 Baseball??!?

Needless to say, I want to beat the stuffing out of blue hen. In case you missed it, a huge trade with serious title implications has already went down when WG traded AL MVP Josh Donaldson to blue hen for David Price and Jose Bautista!!!

Let's start with the basics: Please confirm your intentions on playing G20 Baseball for 2016.

I will start to get suggested dates, etc together later this month. This is the time to:

- solicit trades / post available players
- suggest any rule changes (but I would like to get all of that completed before March 1st)
- any other league business

Thanks.

GO
ID: 4011412823
Mon, Jan 11, 2016, 21:31

Planning to win it all!

Khahan
ID: 54152322
Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 00:50

I am here.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 12:18

Bring it on. Still looking to trade for a prospect draft pick or two, so I can pick up the 2016 Rookies of the Year: Trevor Story (NL) and Jose Berrios (AL).

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 15:08

I am in.

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 19:48

mjd
ID: 23182817
Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 20:47

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 23:01

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 03:25

Khahan
ID: 6024139
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 10:24

Wouldn't mind getting a little younger for this year. Anybody is available but willing to move Greinke and/or A-gon.

Jaydog
ID: 32747318
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 10:26

I'm in...

I've already fielded a few feelers for Chris Archer. Rather than contact each manager individually I figure I'd put out an open invitation here.

My team is in need of a rebuild, and Archer could be a critical piece in that process, so not necessarily interested in moving him, unless I was blown away by an offer. It would take 2-3 top keeper caliber players and/or a mix of top prospects to entice me. Anyone that's interested, let me know.

Khahan
ID: 6024139
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 10:28

email here for any discussions.

Jaydog
ID: 32747318
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 10:31

Other than Archer, two other players that may be of interest:

David Ortiz: His production is still elite, but his age doesn't match the needs of my team. Anyone that's looking for one year of (borderline) guaranteed 35-40 HR's, with 100+ RBI's and a 360 OBP, let me know.

Johnny Cueto: Stats were slightly down last year, but could be related to his contract/trade situation. Was back to his lights out self in the postseason. Moving to the Giants should be huge for him, given the ballpark. I'm leaning towards keeping him and hoping his numbers rebound, but if I can get younger or deeper by trading him, I'd consider it.

Everyone else on my roster is available if anyone wants to take a look and let me know.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 11:13

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 13:21

I see too much talent on my team. I haven't checked yet if any of my players got traded or if they will be regulars this season. Every player can be had for the right price but getting Syndergaard is definitely tougher than getting Iwakuma.

Species
ID: 1311531116
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 17:02

In:

Species
Great One
Khahan
blue hen
Tosh
Pete
mjd
slizz
youngroman
Jaydog
nerfherder

11 out of 20. Good start.

Species
ID: 1311531116
Wed, Jan 13, 2016, 18:23

Team Species offseason trade commercial:

As I had feared, without my prospects being ready for prime time in 2015, my rebuild will have to bear fruit in 2016 and beyond. Considering I have eleven of the top 156 keepers - as ranked by ESPN's Tristan Cockroft - PLUS three prospects on my prospect list that are all ML-ready, I have some trading to do this offseason.

Highly unlikely to go anywhere:
Jose Abreu - a cornerstone 1b. Top 6 or 7 in the league.
Miguel Sano - hit 18 HR in under half a season. 22 years old and a '10th keeper'. Next.
Corey Seager - with the trade of Bogaerts, Seager becomes my SS and is an '11th keeper'.
Mookie Betts - a cornerstone OF. Young, with power and speed in an area of need.

Unlikely to go anywhere, but I could listen:
Matt Harvey - lets hope he doesn't blow his arm out winning the Mets the World Series.
Jacob DeGrom - lets hope he doesn't blow his arm out winning the Mets the World Series.
Felix Hernandez - not slowing down. Still under 30 years old.
Roberto Osuna - stud 20 year old closer. Next.

All keeper-worthy (top 156 keepers):
Evan Longoria (105): still a stalwart in Tampa
Wil Myers (117): ripped the ball upon his return from injury. .360 OBP, 3 HR, 10 run, 10 RBI in 71 AB
Brett Gardner (132): 94 runs, 16 HR, 20 steals and a tidy .343 obp
Carlos Santana (133): A pretty quiet .357 obp, 19 hr, 85 rbi, 19 hr and 11 SB!
Jay Bruce (156): 26 hr and 87 rbi and still only 28 years old.

Young studs ready to take the next step:
Jose Peraza (126): High average, 80-speed middle infielder ready to lead off for a ML team. A possible Dee Gordon type who is on my Prospect List to boot!
Eduardo Rodriguez: Ranked 196th by Cockroft, which I think sells him short. Stud LHP. Only 22 years old and got all of the rookie kinks out last year.
Orlando Arcia: Stud SS-in-waiting for the Brewers. A top 15 prospect.
Lewis Brinson: The OF Texas refused to give up in the Cole Hamels trade. Better tools than Nomar Mazara in the eyes of some. A top 20 prospect.
Blake Snell: TB LHP was the minor league pitcher of the year according to Keith Law and others. Ready for prime time.
Alex Reyes: Fireballing, 100-mph stud for St. Louis. You know how well the Cards develop pitchers.

There are a half dozen teams with lots of holes in their rosters who could use more than a couple of these names. I also have up to three Prospect Picks to trade for the right deal.

darkside
ID: 43051518
Fri, Jan 15, 2016, 19:05

I'm in

Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Jan 16, 2016, 07:40

I'm in. My babies are ready!

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Jan 16, 2016, 11:29

Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Jan 16, 2016, 14:58

Can you pop the website URL here?
Thanks.

Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Jan 16, 2016, 15:01

C McCann
1B
2B Gordon
3B Franco
SS Russell
OF A Garcia
OF Ozuna
DH (😞) Fielder
SP Salazar
RP Giles

For sale list to be posted later...

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Sat, Jan 16, 2016, 20:05

website URL

Bean
ID: 140561713
Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 14:58

Fosten
ID: 350551810
Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 12:29

Hello all, if there are any G20 openings this year, I would like to re-confirm my interest. I was on the wait list from last season. Thanks.

Species
ID: 420231813
Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 14:34

In:

Species
Great One
Khahan
blue hen
Tosh
Pete
mjd
slizz
youngroman
Jaydog
nerfherder
darkside
Guru
judy
Bean

Asleep at the wheel / never check the board / general suckiness:

R9
Ref
WG
bmd
Meatwads

(but it's early......I'll give them a pass)

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Jan 18, 2016, 16:58

beastiemiked
ID: 469172814
Wed, Jan 20, 2016, 11:36

I'm in.

Khahan
ID: 190222513
Mon, Jan 25, 2016, 14:22

Point of clarification - rules say 9 keeper spots available. Is that up to 9 or we must keep 9?

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Mon, Jan 25, 2016, 14:27

There's no benefit to keeping fewer than 9, so you will be keeping 9.

Khahan
ID: 190222513
Mon, Jan 25, 2016, 15:16

That's your opinion of keepers BH which I may or may not agree with. That's not the point and that wasn't my question. My question is, by the rules do we have to keep 9 or is up to 9?

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Mon, Jan 25, 2016, 15:23

I'm pretty sure the rule is keeping exactly 9. But there is no provision to get a higher pick in the draft if you keep less than 9 - you'll still get your standard first round pick. Given that, do you have a particular scenario in mind where you'd get an advantage from keeping less than 9?

Khahan
ID: 190222513
Mon, Jan 25, 2016, 15:38

Thanks Blue. Just looking for clarification. I happen to agree that in a league this deep there probably isn't an advantage to not keeping 9. But that doesn't mean I'm assuming there will never be a scenario.

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Mon, Jan 25, 2016, 17:30

To make it justified you would need your last round pick to be better than your 9th keeper.

Khahan
ID: 54152322
Mon, Jan 25, 2016, 18:17

Not necessarily beastie. If you only keep 8, most leagues that have an 'up to' rule have you drafting first. They usually fill keepers in the first few rounds. So if I keep 8 and everybody else keeps 9 I get a round 1 pick and then everybody else starts picking in round 2.
I'd say the people you throw back have to be worse than who you could get early on. Kind of a moot point in this league. And even if it was an 'up to' I doubt it would happen often that out of 180 players potentially kept its worthwhile.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Tue, Jan 26, 2016, 09:40

Right, that's not the rule in this league.

Species
ID: 1311531116
Tue, Jan 26, 2016, 11:58

The rule states:

"There will be 9 players available to be kept heading into the season."

So, there is no rule requiring you to keep 9.

However there is no benefit, in terms of draft positions or additional picks, in doing so.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Wed, Jan 27, 2016, 09:46

3 managers remaining:
- Ref
- Meatwads
- R9

To ensure an incoming team has enough time to adjust and prepare for the season, is it safe to say we need confirmation from those three managers by Feb 1, or they risk getting replaced?

Bean
ID: 41052279
Wed, Jan 27, 2016, 10:53

when is opening day? Most leagues have not even had a manager roll call yet.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Wed, Jan 27, 2016, 12:31

Opening Day is at the beginning of April. We're probably about 6 weeks away from keeper deadlines and drafting. The new manager(s) will need to learn about our system, figure out how prospects work, and presumably make a bunch of trades.

Since you recently plunged into the G20 world, I'd like your take on it: is 6 weeks enough time for a new manager to get sea legs?

Species
ID: 150272712
Wed, Jan 27, 2016, 13:27

No, not February 1st. February 15th and I will get nervous.

I've texted R9 and he is pondering (but I assume he will cave).
I've hit up Ref in another forum and waiting to hear.
I emailed Meatwads. I assume he won't wimp out just because his team needs some work. That's most of the fun!

Meatwads
ID: 34052284
Thu, Jan 28, 2016, 05:52

I am in. I've been unusually busy and didn't expect roll call to begin this early. I'll be on top of things going forward.

Bean
ID: 41052279
Thu, Jan 28, 2016, 12:27

I plunged into the league like one day before the league started the draft while driving country. That is definitely not ideal in any league. This league is deeper than most, so it requires a little more prep. Two weeks is sufficient unless you are very busy with life. With all of the scouting lists out there, u don't have to do any deep research.

Species
ID: 1311531116
Thu, Jan 28, 2016, 17:36

Last year Opening Day was April 5th. This year it is April 3rd.

Last year's draft schedule:(all times ET):

- Keepers due March 16th, Noon
- Prospect Keepers due March 17th, Noon
- Prospect Draft March 18th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft opens March 21st, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 23rd, 9am

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The start of the season is 2 days earlier, so I would propose the following:

- Keepers due March 14th, Noon
- Prospect Keepers due March 15th, Noon
- Prospect Draft March 16th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft opens March 19th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 21st, 9am

slizz
ID: 3556212
Fri, Jan 29, 2016, 10:07

TEAM SLIZZ SHAMELESS ADVERTISEMENT

Last year wasn't what I expected in terms of an overall finish, but I'm willing to let the fact that I got no production from 60% of my keepers (& mcgee) for half a season be the reason why ;) Now, I am hopeful I will be in the mix for a Top 5 finish with a goal of a Top 3. To get there its going to be awfully tough with managers we have in this league!

BH - Back to Back Champion and the favorite entering the season
WG - Always a threat and now has some pitching to go along with that lethal hitting
Species - Have you seen his roster!?!?! Thats some talent he's putting out there with Seager and Sano.
Tosh - That pitching is scary and he's only going to get better.
Khahan - With Kershaw and that outfield...he is always a threat
R9 should he come back - two of the best in the game!
Pete N "The Maverick" and his young studs
darkside and his underrated team
Youngroman, The mysterious Meatwads, MJD, The up and coming Judy's and anyone else I forgot ;)

But in order to get to the top, I am going to need to ship off some of my excess. I really liked how Species broke it down in terms of "Tiers". Nevertheless, here is my shameless advertisement for 2016!

Tier 1 (Don't even bother asking as no explanation is needed):

3B - Nolan Arenado
SS - Carlos Correa
SP - Jose Fernandez
SP - Lucas Giolito

Tier 2 (Not likely to move):

1B - Eric Hosmer: I've read he's the leader in the MLB in hard contact, but is primarily a line-drive hitter. He will get on base, but I doubt I'll see 30 HR from him. Still a cog as 1B longterm is not as deep.

2B/3B - Anthony Rendon: Last year, Rendon would've been in the first tier. However, with Arenado already established as a star/top 3B, I won't need Rendon's services going into 2017...so I would listen, but I'm not going to give up a 2B who gets on base and will score me a bunch of runs unless I am getting a 2B back.

RP - Wade Davis: Top 3 closer in baseball. Know I need to keep at least one.

Tier 3 (Lets talk!):

OF - Adam Jones: He's a tier 2 player and a must keep on pretty much every team in this league. He is sandwiched in between Machado and Crush Davis, which will present him with plenty of RBI and Run opportunities. Jones was on his way to having his best statistical season until he injured his back in August. Before that, his past 3 seasons are nearly identical and was a mainstay top 20 player. Why is he on the block? I NEED SPEED!

OF - Aaron Judge (PROSPECT): Top 20 prospect with alot to dream on like BH's own gem in Gallo. With the trade for Hicks, he will definitely be a 10th keep in 2017 and the starting RF for the NYY once Beltran is gone. Why is he here? Would be willing to create a package to upgrade Adam Jones for that toolsy outfielder.

SP - Kevin Gausman: Think this is the year he goes from 8th keeper to ace. The tools are there and, to me, this is the year he finally puts it all together. Its tough to find an ace and once you finally have one, its hard to let them go.

SP - Marcus Stroman: Have a man crush on the dude. Think he is another Timmy Lincecum as illustrated in my keeper post last season. Would be willing to package one of these young studs with Jones for an upgrade in the outfield.

RP - Drew Storen: With the trade to Toronto and SportsNet Canada/Toronto Sun Tweeting that they anticipate Roberto Osuna will be stretched out as a Starter, this guy becomes a Top 15 closer. As a closer, he was elite, as a setup man, ick. His fastball had an uptick to 94 mph last season and was over 9k/9 for the first time and had a 1.75 era before Washington messed with his head.

RP - Jake McGee: Newly minted Colorado Closer. 35-40 saves and will be under 3.00 ERA.

Tier 4 (can't keep em all):

1B - Mark Teixeria: Ranked #144 overall player by Tristan Cockroft for 2016. 30 HR power. Can be had cheap

2B - Jurickson Profar: The #1 overall prospect from 2012-2013. Lots of potential to dream on. If I was a middle of the pack team instead of a contender, I would look to trade Rendon and keep Profar because....TALENT TALENT TALENT! It would be nice to have an infield of Hosmer, Profar, Correa, and Arenado for the next 5-6 years :D

OF - Rusney Castillo: Ranked the #134 keeper by Cockroft. 5 tool talent who put it together for one month at the end of the season when healthy in Boston.

OF - Cameron Maybin: The centerpiece in the Miguel Cabrera deal and has come full circle to Detroit. 28 years old and could easily breakout like JD Martinez.

SP - Gio Gonzalez: For reasons unbeknownst to me, he is still ranked in the top 160. Make me a reasonable offer and he's yours.

SP - Jose Quintana: See above

Tier 5 (To quote Species "Young studs ready to take the next step"):

Well...its really only one young stud hahahaha

OF - Nick Williams: Like many of the fine players species listed in his ad, Williams is also eligible to go in the prospect draft. Like those players listed, he is also a Top 20 prospect with the likes of Seager, Giolito, Crawford, Buxton, Gallo, etc. If he does not get traded prior to the keeper deadline, I expect him to go in the Top 10, maybe even top 5, of the p-draft. The book on him is that he possesses a hit tool like Arenado (.290 average) and multiple seasons of 20/20 goodness. Will be up in Philadelphia by June/July and, after that, a mainstay on someones roster. Looking for a mid-rd s-draft pick for him.

Shoot me an email and lets talk! I also like to deal over text but will give that in an email. I know we can help eachother out!

Species
ID: 11730119
Mon, Feb 01, 2016, 15:28

The Curse of the Great One continues......Greg Bird to have shoulder surgery and miss the season.

There's a silver lining, in that Bird is still eligible for the prospect list, but that's a shame to lose a season with such an up and coming slugger.

GO
ID: 2111117
Mon, Feb 01, 2016, 18:11

Ugh... And Dickerson got sent from Colorado. Great week for what should be quiet time of year.

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 12:15

I have had several managers contact me. I'm not in the swing of things so I'm not going to be discussing trades until at least Feb 15th.

GO
ID: 2111117
Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 13:16

My friend Nick will say hello in the near future. Until there is a league opening he will act as my Jerry Colangello-esqe consultant and will try out some of the RIBC stuff. However prospects are his expertise so he'd be a good fit here.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 13:28

The following players on the trading block.

Kendrys Morales (KC, DH) -- HRs and RBIs
Ben Revere (WAS, OF) -- Rs and SBs
David Peralta (ARI, OF) -- All-around
Nick Castellanos (DET, 3B) -- Young and ready for breakout

Species
ID: 11730119
Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 14:49

Speaking of February 15th.....that is the 'deadline' I have set for Ref and R9 to finalize their decision to return to the league.

Fosten
ID: 47119320
Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 21:20

Best wishes to Ref and R9. Fosten is warming up in the bullpen. Oriole fans are heckling.

Species
ID: 150272712
Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 18:41

Trade Announcement:

Species receives:

Nelson Cruz
Nerfherders' 8th round pick

Nerfherders receives:

Wil Myers
Orlando Arcia
Lewis Brinson
Blake Snell
Species' 6th round pick

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 19:43

Confirmed

Meatwads
ID: 34052284
Mon, Feb 08, 2016, 21:02

I'm in the market for a keeper hitter. I would consider a draft pick swap or trade a SP for a bat. I'm also interested in adding another minor league draft pick. If anyone out there has a solid keeper hitter they can't keep, please email me. I need the hitter to be significantly better than Michael Pineda as a keeper to make it worth my while.

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 09:42

My Initial Analysis:

Nerf had arguably the weakest team in terms of keepers. Max Scherzer and Todd Frazier are two sure fire keeps on any team. Khris Davis has upside and makes for a solid 7-8th keep on most teams, and beyond him there isn't a ton of depth on his team. It's a shame that Buxton's 10th keep is gonna go to waste (i.e. he won't be on a contender like Sano, Seager, Schwarber, etc.). That said, it was a good move, long term, for him. Instead of a slow rebuild he now is on track for 2017 to get back in the money. His 9 2016 keeps now project to be:

1B/OF - Myers
3B - Flava Fraz!
SS - Arcia
OF - Davis
OF - Brinson
OF - Buxton (10th)
SP - Scherzer
SP - Snell

Last Two:

Gattis
JJ Hoover
Sean Doolittle

I'm a HUGE fan of Brinson. While his "bat" isn't of Nick Williams' upside (two names that were Texas OF in Hamels deal) he walks. Better than a decent amount. So his net OB% will be superior to Williams and a likely 15-20 HR with 15-20 sb. A high ob, 20/20, guy will ALWAYS play in G20. Snell gives him another potential ace as well who projects to be a #2 starter which is along the lines/ better than a Michael Wacha. Another must keep. I'm not an Arcia fan, but SS is awful and if you have one it's hard to let go...even if he's average he is still gonna be better than most.

Species' analysis is simple - he gets an impact 2016 bat that he doesn't have to worry about keeping. Not to mention it was for spare parts (high quality ones I might add...) he had no plans in keeping. Huge win for him considering Seager and Sano will certainly take his spot in the 9 come 2017. Long term -- nerf wins the deal, but I doubt species cares one bit. It's all about winning that 2016 banner! BH - watch out!!!

Species
ID: 150272712
Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 12:48

Damn. It's like slizz hacked my email and read my pitch to Nerf. Good analysis. Cruz is a perfect player for my 2016 team, and Nerf had the need for some fresh blood so we were an excellent fit. While 40 HR would be nice, I will take 35 bombs and 95 RBI please, Nelson.

A reminder for the newer teams -- Nerf is projected to keep Arcia, Brinson and Snell in his 9 keepers. Even though they are all eligible to be drafted in the prospect draft, if they are kept in a team's 9 keepers then they are excluded from the prospect draft. Players kept in the 9 keepers are not eligible to be moved to the prospect list. Only players drafted in the Prospect Draft may be kept on the prospect list.

Another note kind of related to the above. So long as the player still falls below our maximum thresholds to be drafted in the P-draft (please note there are different thresholds for the initial draft and to be able to remain on the Prospect List) they are eligible to be drafted. This applies even if a player was formerly kept in someone's 9 or previously drafted in the Prospect Draft and later renounced. An example of this would be Arizona's Archie Bradley. He still meets P-draft thresholds and could be drafted again in the P-draft.

The countdown for Ref and R9 to declare their intentions for the league continues. I am giving them until February 15th. If ESPN didn't need a whole effing week to get their Fantasy Baseball site launched, I would have already posted R9's and Ref's teams for potential replacement managers to review.

NOTE: when there are multiple teams available at one time, historically we have done a coin flip or other form of random draw. The 'winner' of that then has the first choice of available teams.

In this case we could have a very wide divide between available teams, considering that R9 has both Goldschmidt and Trout as well as some juicy pitchers (no offense intended, Ref!). I just want potential managers to know that the ability to choose one of the teams will be random -- you could strike Gold(schmidt) or get called for an offensive foul (by Ref). Those are the breaks.

GO
ID: 2111117
Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 12:56

In F101 we had a similar situation. To help both teams balance and not be screwed right out the gate we through both teams into a draft pool and a mini 2 team snake draft from players on both abandoned teams.

Just a thought.

Species
ID: 150272712
Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 13:35

I am open for discussion on post 57. Creates a new and exciting wrinkle and gives incoming teams a chance to mold the team at least a little bit to their own liking.

On the flip side, does a can of worms get opened up? What about the managers who just inherited a team without the benefit of a multi-team draft?

Khahan
ID: 915910
Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 14:17

No can of worms - in my eyes I entered the league under my own set of circumstances. Things were what they were and you guys made the decision based on the info you had at that time.

In this case, I see the arguments for both:
1) the teams are what they are. You get what you get and its your job to build a contender with what you have

2) There is a big imbalance between the 2 and 1 manager may feel a little resentful.

I'd say the mini-draft is a good idea. It will allow the 2 new managers to feel like they have an actual hand in crafting the teams they are taking over. It may even make the teams feel more like their own right off the bat.

And I don't think its necessarily a precedent setting event. We have a specific set of circumstances. If we go the way of the draft just announce, "For this time only because of certain circumstances, the new managers are drafting their keepers from these 2 teams. This is the exception not the rule."

Would they also draft their minor leaguers this way?

And - who what where when and how do I pay?

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Feb 09, 2016, 14:17

I'm against that unless you open it up to all teams who wish to participate in a keeper re-draft per se. In a league this deep that is a huge bone to give to someone with no recent history in it.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 09:37

I support a 2-team mini draft. I recommend going 15 rounds - that way, you get your 9 keepers, 3 prospects, plus 3 more slots for tradeable assets.

For prospects, if you draft a prospect here, you have him as if he'd been on your team the whole time. For example, PlayerX drafts all 6 eligible prospects, uses 10th keeper rights on one, trades one, keeps 2, renounces 2, and has 1 draft pick.

We should also sort out which team drafts where in this scenario. Ref has #6 and R9 has #10. Maybe draft slot is something you can pick in the mini draft.

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 09:43

I hope r9 and ref are able to return. If they aren't able to, I support a 2-team mini draft.

Bean
ID: 41052279
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 10:53

57 Did something similar in our Basketball Salary Cap Keeper League. Worked well, no one and done owners. One of the three won the league.

Species
ID: 150272712
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 13:40

59: And - who what where when and how do I pay?

Guru typically takes care of dues collection sometime in March.

Species
ID: 150272712
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 18:21

Wahooooo! ESPN Fantasy Baseball is (finally) open for business. For those managers lurking who could be recruited to the league if we have openings, here are the rules:

Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14; 33-35 '15)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Bean: 34.09 Nick Gordon, SS, MIN; 35.02 Raul Mondesi, SS, KC
bmd: 31.05 DJ Peterson, 3b, SEA; 34.03 Matt Olson, 1b, OAK
Blue Hen: 30.18 Joey Gallo, 3b, TEX; 33.01 Yoan Moncada, 2b, BOS; 33.07 Kyle Schwarber, OF, CHC; 33.17 Rafael Devers, 3b, BOS; 34.12 Tyler Kolek, SP, MIA
Darkside: 31.04 Alexander Guerrero, 2b, LAD (1)
Meatwads: 31.06 Austin Hedges, C, SD; 33.10 Brian Johnson, SP, BOS; 34.06 Hector Olivera, 2b, ATL
Great One: 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 31.02 Alex Meyer, P, MIN; 33.16 Blake Swihart, C, BOS; 34.01 Greg Bird, 1b, NYY
Guru: 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 28.08 Kyle Zimmer, SP, KC 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT; 33.19 Dilson Herrera, 2b, NYM
Judy: 33.13 Robert Stephenson, SP, CIN
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel, SP, HOU; 33.08 Dalton Pompey, OF, TOR (1);
Nerfherders: 24.01 Byron Buxton, MIN, OF; 27.04 Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT; 30.07 Clint Frazier, OF, CLE
Peter N: 30.05 Jonathan Gray, P, COL (1); 31.03 Tyler Glasnow, P, PIT; 33.03 Hunter Harvey, SP, BAL
Ref: 32.05 Julio Urias, P, LAD; 33.18 Jesse Winker, OF, CIN; 34.11 Braden Shipley, SP, ARI
R9: 33.09 Henry Owens, SP, BOS; 34.05 Trea Turner, SS, WAS/SD; 35.01 Raisel Iglesias, SP, CIN
Slizz: 30.17 Lucas Gioloto, P, WAS; 33.05 Aaron Judge, OF, NYY
Species: 21.13 Miguel Sano,3b,MIN (1); 30.06 Corey Seager, SS/3b, LAD; 33.06 Jose Peraza, 2b, LAD
Khahan: 33.15 Nomar Mazara, OF, TEX; 34.10 Alex Jackson, OF, SEA; 35.03 Josh Bell, OF, PIT
Tosh: 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL; 33.04 Daniel Norris, SP, DET (1); 34.02 Brandon Finnegan, SP, CIN
wg: 32.03 JP Crawford, SS, PHI;
youngroman: 34.07 Luis Severino, SP, NYY (1)

These managers have had their 2016 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
7-1-13 Species receives WG's 4th rounder for his 7th (Lackey)
3-6-14 Species receives Ref's 2nd, 4th and 7th for his 10th, 11th and 12th (2014 picks)
6-3-14 blue hen receives GO's 4th for his 14th (Fielder)
6-25-14 mjd receives GoatLocker's 6th for his 14th (Melancon)
1-28-15 blue hen receives Tosh's 2nd for his 13th (Cabrera/Sale/Arrieta/Rosenthal)
2-9-15 Slizz receives Judy's 6th for his 13th (Carter)
3-25-15 GreatOne receives Khahan's 6th for his 14th ('14 pick swap)
5-5-15 Bean receives Species' 5th for his 10th (Colon)
5-11-15 mjd receives WG's 4th (via Species) for his 14th (Uehara)
5-11-15 mjd receives WG's 5th for his 13th (Casilla)
5-21-15 darkside receives WG's 5th for his 14th (Ramos)
Note: The trade will be technically completed 72 hours before the keeper deadline. The pick given up by WG does not have to be his own. It can be a pick from any manager. If WG does not have a pick in that round, the pick will be the next highest pick available WG owns.
5-16-15 bmd receives Judy's 8th for his 14th (Papelbon, Axford)
5-23-15 bmd receives WG's 3rd for whatever last round pick is in his possession (Samardzjia)
8-21-15 Meatwads receives Tosh's 5th for his 10th (Morales / Hunter)

The following managers have had their 2016 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:

3-22-15 Great One receives Pete's 1st (2015 pick swap)
5-16-15 bmd receives Judy's 1st (Papelbon, Axford)
1-28-15 blue hen receives Tosh's 1st (Arrieta/Sale/Rosenthal)

Previous Champions
2003 (tie) Ref and StL Cards
2004 Ref
2005 Ref
2006 Beastiemiked
2007 Twarpy
2008 Ref
2009 Peter N
2010 Species
2011 (tie) Species and blue hen
2012 Toral
2013 Wazaaap Guy
2014 blue hen
2015 blue hen

Commissioner:
"Species" gmrobinson1@yahoo.com - "Tosh" lodnar@gmail.com - "Guru" (Treasurer) davehall@rotoguru2.com

Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 P - 6
Active - 15; Bench - 8; Total - 23; Must have active players on roster at each position

Returning Managers
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to (or remove) any manager for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior, purposeful rules violations (ie colluding on a trade), inactivity (ie leaving injured/OUT players in as starters or not actively trying to improve your team), not participating in league business or repeated delays/unresponsive, or failure to pay your share of league fees. If an owner is removed or NOT invited back, a new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state. All monies will be forfeited.

Trade Policy
If there are 7 votes against the trade it will be sent to the commishs to be vetoed. There will be a min. of one full day to vote before the trade will be approved if the max objections are not reached. Everyone will be emailed by ESPN automatically as soon as the trade is accepted so they may review it. Make sure your email notifications are set up! Please check the site daily.

Trades involving draft picks/prospects will be listed in the trade and can also be posted on our leagues bulletin board and/or our thread at rotoguru.com. Note that off-season and pre-season (before draft is complete) trades will still be approved by the commishs.

Trades for draft picks - be they Supplemental or Prospect picks - may only be consummated within two drafts from the date of the trade. Example: in March 2015 before the Supplemental Draft, one can only trade either 2015 or 2016 picks. In June 2015, one could trade either 2016 or 2017 picks, etc.

Trade deadline - the trade deadline is the last day in August available in the ESPN website.

Minimums for GP and IP:

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1375 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1200 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

GP and IP demerits will be combined for each team.

If a team finishes “in the money” for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.

For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year’s supplement draft:

If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)

For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)

If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

Keepers
There will be 9 players available to be kept heading into the season. You will have a deadline to post your keepers. You may change your keepers up until the deadline.

Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft the previous June are not eligible to be kept as keepers. This rule applies even if that player has played in the major leagues. All Rule 4 draftees must go through at least one Prospect Draft prior to being eligible as keepers.

2014 Prize Pool
There are 19 of 20 people in the prize pool @ $15 each. That means there is $285 to distribute. Teams are required to always be in it or out of it once they committed to it in 2005. These will be the payouts: 1st $110; 2nd 65; 3rd 45; 4th 30; 5th 20; 6th 15. If a non-participant places 1st-6th, his money will be reallocated so there is always a 100% payout. 1st-5th place will be moved up a spot in the prize money and the 6th place $15 will go to the treasury to help defray dues costs to all. Dues are used to pay for the league champion trophy and draft.

Supplemental and Prospect Draft Lotteries:
The lotteries for both the Supplemental and Prospect Drafts will be conducted within 30 days of the end of the previous season.

Timing of the Keeper Deadline, Prospect Draft and Supplemental Draft
Each March, as proposed by a Commissioner, the league hold the following events, in this order:

1) Keeper Deadline: all teams must designate their keepers. They may designate up to 9.
NOTE: At this time, once the Keeper Deadline has passed, managers may also call up a prospect to their active roster. In this scenario, that prospect is separate from their 9 keepers.
2) Prospect Keeper Deadline: Managers designate their Prospect Keepers. They may designate up to 3.
3) Prospect draft picks are assigned and the Prospect Draft is commenced per our rules below.
4) The Supplemental Draft is completed.

Supplemental Draft, FA Pickups and Waivers
The Draft will be held prior to every season after Keepers are announced. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order of previous years finish and will not snake.

Players must be available in the ESPN player pool to be drafted or added during the season via FA or WW. No amateur player may be drafted or picked up via FA or WW if the player in question still has amateur status or is a prospect. Also, if a player is drafted in the June MLB draft, while he may be freely picked up and used on a roster, please note that per our keeper rules they may not be kept the following season. All Rule 4 draftees must go through one Prospect Draft before they become keeper eligible.

There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours. (Subject to change). You may not exceed 23 players. You may not drop a player (or add a non-drafted player if you are short) until waivers have been turned on. You may trade for extra picks and you may trade your excess picks as long as it is done before the preceeding pick has been made. If you make a duplicate pick, the draft will continue and you may correct that pick at any time. Once you have been skipped, you will continue to be skipped until you are caught up. If a clock runs out, the next person on the clock will be charged for any time before his pick. If you are skipped due to a pick or c clock, you may still post your selection at any time.

Waivers will begin the season in the same order as the supplemental draft. Lottery picks and traded draft picks will not be considered when determining the waiver order.

Prospect Rules
Prospect Draft: The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft). Drafts will be in inverse order of the final standings of the previous year and will not snake. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order and will not snake. Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. There will be up to 3 rounds.

A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP. They do not need to be in the ESPN player database, but can not be still in high school/college, etc. They need to either be on a pro team, drafted by a team, or a current free agent/professional Japanese or Cuban player.

There will be a 3 hour per pick clock and a 4 hour cumulative clock to draft. If you are skipped, you may make your selection at any time. Time will not accrue from midnight to 8 am ET, though anyone may select during that time if their pick is up. Once the draft concludes, the only way to add a prospect is via trade or future drafts. After the draft, you may bring this player on your active roster at any time (as long as hes in the ESPN database) by dropping a player.

Managers may call-up and then send down their prospect up to two times without losing their rights as a prospect as long as that player has not hit the maximum ABs/IP/GP threshold. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List below. At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they won't have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold. Before a commish will option or send-down a prospect, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. If a prospect is renounced or hits his threshold while on your roster (called up), his name will be removed from your prospect list.

All prospects are listed above. It is each managers responsibility to alert a commish when your prospect is entered into the ESPN database so an email alert can be attached.

Before the season at the keeper deadline all hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP or they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.

At the prospect draft keeper deadline, all managers must have no more than 3 keepers on their prospect list. They may keep all three or none as long as none have been traded, (see below) but they will only get as many draft picks as it takes to max their prospects at three, barring a trade.

Prospect draft picks are assigned after your prospect keepers are announced. So if you have 3 prospect keepers, you dont have a prospect draft pick to trade. You may trade a pick at any time, but if you have traded a prospect draft pick, you may only declare two keepers. If youve traded two picks, you can only keep one and if youve traded all three, you may keep none. Once prospects have been declared and draft picks assigned, a manager may again exceed three prospects via trade.

Species
ID: 150272712
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 18:24

Team R9:

1B Paul Goldschmidt, Ari 1B
OF Mike Trout, LAA OF
OF Billy Hamilton, Cin OF
OF Carlos Gonzalez, Col OF
Bench Chase Utley, LAD 2B
Bench Matt Wieters, Bal C
Bench Alexei Ramirez, SD SS
Bench Aramis Ramirez, Pit 3B
Bench Ryan Howard, Phi 1B
Bench Carlos Beltran, NYY OF
Bench Eric Sogard, Oak 2B
Bench Stephen Drew, Wsh 2B

P Craig Kimbrel, Bos RP
P David Robertson, CWS RP
P Carlos Martinez, StL SP
P Justin Verlander, Det SP
P Andrew Heaney, LAA SP
Bench Ian Kennedy, KC SP
Bench R.A. Dickey, Tor SP
Bench Shane Greene, Det SP
Bench Dan Haren, ChC SP
Bench Chris Heston, SF SP
Bench Ryan Madson, Oak RP

Species
ID: 150272712
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 18:27

Team Ref:

C Cameron Rupp, Phi C
1B Edwin Encarnacion, Tor 1B, DH
2B Enrique Hernandez, LAD 2B, OF
3B Pedro Alvarez, Pit 1B
SS Kelby Tomlinson, SF 2B
OF Chris Colabello, Tor 1B, OF
OF Josh Hamilton, Tex OF
OF Mark Canha, Oak 1B, OF
UTIL Darnell Sweeney, Phi OF
Bench Hanley Ramirez, Bos OF
Bench Yasiel Puig, LAD OF
Bench Ian Kinsler, Det 2B
Bench Trevor Plouffe, Min 3B
Bench Oswaldo Arcia, Min OF
P Adam Wainwright, StL SP
P Chris Tillman, Bal SP
P Tony Watson, Pit RP
P Robbie Ray, Ari SP
P Zack Godley, Ari SP
P Nate Jones, CWS RP
Bench Stephen Strasburg, Wsh SP
Bench Kyle Hendricks, ChC SP
Bench Bruce Rondon, Det RP

Species
ID: 150272712
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 18:30

Regarding the 'mini-draft' idea..........

You might technically say we have a rule for vacated teams:

If an owner is removed or NOT invited back, a new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.

That doesn't mean we change it, but we'd probably need to put it to a vote.

Thumqer
ID: 48151419
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 19:38

Hi folks, I'm Ryan's (aka "GO"'s) friend who he mentioned earlier. From what he's told me and from reading this thread, this league seems absolutely awesome; particularly with the prospect spin. Being a huge fan of all things baseball at the MLB level and below, I'd love to have the opportunity to apply to this league if there ever is an opening. I'll be around either way by checking out a few other offerings around here. Please let me (or Ryan) know if you ever have a spot to fill in the league!

Nick

GO
ID: 2111117
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 20:43

In the meantime I will appoint you my personal head of scouting Mr. Thumqer

Of course all this league needs is it's 4th? Phillies fan too lol... Crab fries and Schmitters for everyone.

GO
ID: 2111117
Wed, Feb 10, 2016, 23:49

Sucks that the post with all the rules and everything wasn't in the opening post and will disappear in 50 more.

Khahan
ID: 18125118
Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 09:25

Of course all this league needs is it's 4th? Phillies fan too lol

Sounds like we need to plan a trip to Citizen's.

Species
ID: 150272712
Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 12:54

I want to bring up a possible rules clarification up for discussion. In our prospect rules, we provide the following:

A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP. They do not need to be in the ESPN player database, but can not be still in high school/college, etc. They need to either be on a pro team, drafted by a team, or a current free agent/professional Japanese or Cuban player.

The original intent was to avoid High School and College players yet to be drafted in the Rule 4 draft from being drafted in our P-draft. Bryce Harper would be a good example of a kid that generated enough hype to have been drafted in our P-draft before he was the No. 1 pick by the Nationals.

I lobbied for the addition of Japanese and Cuban players. The intent was to include professional players. In Japan that is the NPB (Nippon Professional Baseball) league. In Cuba that is the Socie Nationale league. Cuba has minor leagues as well. In 99% of the cases, any player worth MLB's attention would have played in the Socie Nationale league.......but this year we have that 1% player out there that is a Cuban player that has not played in their highest pro league.

I think our rule wording could use some tweaking. And, we should probably also include the Korean KBO league where Jung-Ho Kang and Byung-Ho Park played. In their cases they had already signed with a MLB team before our P-draft so their eligibility isn't questioned. But if they hadn't, and someone wanted to draft them, I don't think our rules would allow it.

So, the question is, how do we want to clarify the rule:

- Name the specific foreign leagues whose players would be eligible: NPB, KBO, Cuban Socie Nationale?
- Keep it more broad and state that players from any foreign country that are not subject to either the MLB draft or MLB's established international signing rules (i.e. the Dominican, Venezuela, etc) may be drafted whether they've signed with MLB or not?
- Do we remove all restrictions and make amateurs (High schoolers, college players) and all foreign players eligible?
- Any other thoughts?

Thanks.

Species
ID: 150272712
Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 13:16

And what makes the NPB, KBO and Cuban leagues different are the restrictions of the laws within those countries.

Japan: Once a player signs with NPB, they are contractually obligated to NPB for a period of 10 years before they could be a free agent and seek to play in MLB. They may ask to be posted to MLB via the posting system, but that is completely within their team's control. So far there has not been a Japanese player that completely skipped NPB and signed with MLB out of Japanese High Schools (but that may come and one was recently close).

Korea: I honestly have no idea what their rules are. So far there hasn't been an uber-prospect from Korea that wanted to sign with a MLB team before ever playing in KBO. For now I think it is safe to just state that only KBO players are eligible for our draft.

Cuba: Obviously the issue there is political. While the Cuban government has started to grant some players permission to leave Cuba to play in MLB, US immigration restrictions mandate that such a player must establish residency in more friendly countries and apply for permission to further immigrate to the US. If they defect from Cuba, they must do the same thing and establish residency elsewhere.

It is my opinion that, for the rest of the baseball universe, our existing rule that requires a player to be drafted by/signed with a team is good. With the three countries above, I think we have to clarify it a bit and narrow our scope to those foreign pro leagues.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Feb 11, 2016, 17:48

In the keeper league I run we allow anyone to be drafted to any spot. I always joke that you could sign your grandmother to a contract if you wanted to. Because our prospect draft is pre-season, it does allow for some players to be drafted into our league before the baseball draft, speculating on what that draft will look like and who the hot players will be 3 months later.

We can also claim prospects throughout the season, so while it doesn't sound fair to be able to do that, basically the prospect pool is wide open for 6 months out of the year, so everyone has a chance at just about every player at some point.

I'm not saying we should be doing that here, but I do somewhat question the minors only rule overall. If your team is in need and you have that high prospect pick and are building for the future, the guys coming up for the upcoming draft are going to potentially be more valuable than those already in the minor leagues prospect pool. Just a thought.

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Fri, Feb 12, 2016, 13:13

I'm against allowing any amateur player (Ex - HS/Bryce Harper type) to be drafted. It wouldn't be in the long-term best interests of the league.

I'm ok with making that last line read any professional baseball league. That would give us blanket coverage for guys out of Korean, Dominican, and Venezuelan leagues to go along with Japan and Cuba.

GO
ID: 2111117
Fri, Feb 12, 2016, 13:41

Slizz is right. Just call it Pro vs. Amateur and that is simple enough.

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Fri, Feb 12, 2016, 15:10

Can you explain why it's not in the best interest of the league to allow the drafting of amateurs? Just curious.

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Sat, Feb 13, 2016, 07:56

Quite simple - it will increase the likelihood of tanking for prolonged periods.

This league is great and I would like to see it stay that way. I was originally against the 60 prospect cap species proposed a couple years back, but now view it is a safeguard to ensure that that teams can turn around and compete quicker. That, along with only keeping 9, allows teams to turn it around in a smaller window than some über-dynasty leagues.

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Sat, Feb 13, 2016, 07:57

Do we really want G20 to turn into a tank fest for the next Bryce Harper?

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Sat, Feb 13, 2016, 08:48

Proposal: One of the incoming teams takes my team, I take R9's.

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Sat, Feb 13, 2016, 09:30

I'll second that before a re-draft 😉

Hahaha...all seriousness, my opinion is that if R9 didn't have trout and goldy we would be business as usual...

Ref
ID: 24121310
Sat, Feb 13, 2016, 11:02

Guys, I am considering coming back. Am traveling a lot.

Prospects have cause some issues lately that have hurt some teams and interests.

1. If you open up prospects to anyone and everyone, there is zero chance I come back. I think Slizz hit the nail on the head.

2. Too many leaving prospects out on the WW even when they are playing and contributing. If you draft a player, you are stuck with him on your team or you cut him. Same way with a prospect should be if he is called up. I would propose that there should be unlimited call-ups of your prospect if he is called-up on your team. He goes on DL, send him down again, etc.It was a joke what has been going on in this league and never more so than last year. It really is no fun when you try to improve your team via WW only to see a dozen players who are doing well but are prospects (or guys have streamed through them and they are all on waivers).

This league needs to get back to baseball. Too many people with teams don't care enough and a few teams care too much. So many people refuse to even entertain trade offers at all. Or if they do, they want the moon. It sucks spending all that time finding a great fit of a trade partner and they won't consider trading or won't even consider a logical deal. Then they turn around and bend over to someone else. It's also bad when some teams spend so much time trying to improve their team while some are tanking or simply making lopsided deals left and right. It makes me ask--why am I wasting my time?

Species
ID: 54740122
Sat, Feb 13, 2016, 23:57

I personally do not feel the need to expand to amateur players. I brought it up to be ahead of a possibility that is out there. I do want to further clarify which foreign pro leagues we should draft from.

I like the idea of allowing unlimited callups......although that does not necessarily alleviate the WW issue Ref has discussed. But it would help.

I encourage discussion on rule tweaks / updates / changes.

IF IF IF IF we have 2 openings.....do we want to make a new rule of a mini-draft for multiple vacancies? I do not want to do it just because R9's team has two top studs. We either stick with how we have done it or we change it permanently.

GO
ID: 4011412823
Sun, Feb 14, 2016, 22:00

I would vote in favor of always doing a mini-draft if multiple openings. I assume this is quite a rarity anyway. But I think in the event we have that scenario it really gives a level playing field and each new owner can get a jump-start on molding the team a bit more in their image.

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Mon, Feb 15, 2016, 12:51

Keep as is.

In any sport, GM's inherit a team (both good and bad) and end up shaping it to their liking. Should be no different here.

As stated above, I would only be in favor of that if we allow other teams (existing Gurupie members) to participate in the mini-draft too (ex. BMD).

Species
ID: 54740122
Mon, Feb 15, 2016, 18:36

R9 is out.

Waiting on a final decision from Ref.

beastiemiked
ID: 469172814
Mon, Feb 15, 2016, 21:19

I was only joking. I definitely think they should redraft.

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Feb 15, 2016, 23:19

I oppose scouting high schoolers.

Also, I'd support a prospect situation where you have call up someone once he hits the limit, and I support lower limits (particularly moving 300 and 110 down to 150 and 55).

I don't support having to call someone up just because his team does. And I'm surprised that anyone actually has an issue with ineligible players sitting out on waivers.

Meatwads
ID: 181121414
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 10:31

I agree with Slizz that new managers should inherit the teams in their current state.

As for the p-draft, I think allowing professional players from any league to be draft eligible is the right move. I think it would be a mistake to allow us to be drafting players under 18.

I have to disagree with Blue hen about lowering the limits for prospects. It's going to make having 10th keepers more unlikely (unless that's a good thing) and force managers to make decisions on players before they know who they really have.

Side note, I'm still looking for a hitter to add before keepers are due. I appreciate the interest that a couple managers have shown but I'm looking for something very specific and there is a price it's worth to me. I'm highly unlikely to be trading the best player for multiple lesser players. I also don't have a need for pitching at this point. Unless you are offering me a prized starter, I have more pressing needs.

Ref
ID: 24121310
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 11:25

The idea of prospects never was to allow a 10th keeper. Be that as it may, I'm fine with it if he has the eligibility. What I am NOT fine with is having players who are playing in MLB and producing being intentionally left on the FA list while they stream other players. This effectively allows themselves to have an expanded roster in which to stream players while holding onto their property and forcing others to continually have to check and see if they are still a prospect. Prospects already cut in to as many as 60 potential players though in reality it is much less than that.

This is a HUGE problem for teams needing to really improve their team. What some managers did last year leaving top players on WW was unethical at best.

My proposal does the following:
1.It doesn't affect a 10th keeper because if the player has hit it's prospect limit it can't be kept anymore anyhow.
2. Has no bearing on forcing them to take them off a prospect if they hit their limit during the year as they are already on the team by rule and will lose prospect rights.
3. Effectively HALTS all of those managers who are picking up prospects who are playing well because they should already be on their rightful team.
4. Creates more contributing players to the teams who need it. Even if a top team grabs that player, they will need to drop a player to get him, etc.
5. It is not that hard to govern. You either add them to your team or you lose him as a prospect and he goes on waivers. A commish could even manually add him to the proper team and drop a player if the owner doesn't respond.

Khahan
ID: 17116168
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 12:23

What I am NOT fine with is having players who are playing in MLB and producing being intentionally left on the FA list while they stream other players.

I agree. I was somewhat baffled last year when I joined to see some of the players still on the WW. I assumed they would be on teams and get used. It left me with the impression of lax managers and abandoned teams.

I'm not sure unlimited call ups as you proposed in 83 is the answer, though. I think that leaves the door open for other kinds of manipulations and games. It still basically allows for streaming and an expanded roster because he's a prospect. Just drop him for the off day, grab WW fodder, then pull him up again.

I could see maybe raising the total number of call ups from 2 to say 5?

As for draft eligible, could the rule be something as simple as: Any player on an MLB roster, MiLB roster or eligible for a MLB team to sign. This means players announcing they will come the MLB from Japan are not draft eligible until they pass the posting fee process for example.

Ref
ID: 24121310
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 12:41

92: can't do that because if he's on the MLB roster he has to be on your team. If he goes on the DL or sent down, then you can drop him.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 13:19

You're saying if they call my prospect up, I have to bring him up and drop a player, even if it's for a doubleheader? Who in the world is going to police that? What's the penalty? Severely decreases the value of prospects, and I'm not a big fan of that.

I don't think it's unethical, or even underhanded. Give me a roster spot, and I'll use it to the best of my abilities.

Now, does this mean you're actually coming back?

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 14:14

I'll try to be pragmatic as possible...The way the rule currently is all but encourages it, Ref. In a best case scenario, an owner gets esentially 26 roster spots, as opposed to 23, if they have prospects that are called up on MLB rosters.

Off the top of my head, the most notable examples from 2015 were Schwarber, Swihart, Bird, Tomas.

Of that group, only Tomas exhausted his eligibility during the the season. In 2013, I had Jose Fernandez go over 110 ip. I promptly sent him down knowing I would keep him in 2014. This loophole allowed me an extra roster spot which took away from the player pool of the other G20 owners. As a result, I could potentially find gold on the ww with Jose's spot. Having that flexibility is a huge bonus if you're that lucky owner. Sure, it takes away from the other 19 teams, but it helps you.

That said, I don't think it's unethical...however, it goes away from the spirit of what the prospect system was designed to be. I doubt squatting on rights of active players, while using the ww as an extension of the roster was what we envisioned when prospects were first introduced to G20.

I see the Prospect rules as fluid, always evolving:

-We held the old prospect draft days after the rule 4 draft. Some teams would scoop up players to block them from getting prospected.
-As a result of that loophole, draft was moved to preseason, post keepers.
-Some teams then held as much as 6 prospects bc of trades. To keep it fair for everyone involved, Greg (Species) suggested the overall pool of prospects was capped at 60. Now, one can only keep a max of 3 (their own picks).

Like I stated above, it's fluid, always evolving for the greater good of the league.

Ref's proposal puts us on the right track. I think it's a tad rigid because some guys just aren't ready (Buxton, Daniel Norris, Javier Baez, etc.). I didn't have any plans of having Correa up in 2015, but it was a pleasant surprise. I was hoping he would be a 10th keeper for me this year!!! 😉. Side note - I LOVE that strategy/aspect of the league. It only helps teams.

At minimum, one thing that should be implemented is that once a prospect goes over the limits, he should be rostered or subject to waivers.

Before we discuss lowering the limits, why don't we take a vote to see if that is something that the league would like to see?

I.E. Should the prospect limits be lowered?

Yes / No

If yes, then we can decide what they should be. If no, leave alone.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 15:59

Trade Announcement

Great One receives:
Mike Moustakas
Yoan Moncada
2016 Prospect Pick 1.20

Blue Hen receives:
2016 Prospect Pick 1.01
2016 Prospect Pick 1.07

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 17:09

BH / GO Trade Instant Analysis

GO - he already has a consensus top 5 SS in Bogaerts:

1) Correa
2-5 can be debated between Seager / Bogaerts / Russell / Lindor).

GO is sitting on top of some pretty valuable real estate (1.01) and the top position players in the draft just happen to be SS. They would be a luxury for GO, who already has an elite SS. Nevertheless, he now features an long-term infield of:

1B - Freeman
2B - Moncada
SS - Bogaerts
3B - Possibly Moose who comes full circle to the team that gave him his first shot in G20...

Pretty good stuff for GO.

BH: has done a great job of re-tooling his roster for the long haul while still maintaining his stranglehold atop the G20 mountain.

2B - Altuve & Moncada

Total luxury to have another elite 2B in Moncada. If there was ever a year where the stars aligned in a trade for BH, it was this one! He now gets his pick of an elite SS to transition away from Tulo. Plus he added depth with the 7th pick in a draft...curious to see where he goes with that selection!

Overall take - win for both. GO locks up a consensus top 10 prospect by every publication. BH gets to select consensus top 15 prospect, plus wherever he goes at 7. Not very often it lines up like this. Depending what Dave gets at 7 will determine the winner of this deal.

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 17:17

Troy Tulowitzki thanks you for not including him in that list, and giving him motivation for the 2016 season.

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 17:54

So you hope... ;)

100

GO
ID: 2111117
Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 20:36

Greg Bird might make Freeman expendable long term if people are interested.

101

WG
ID: 552431321
Wed, Feb 17, 2016, 10:54

TRADE

WG gets Blake Swihart (p)
GO gets WG's lowest p pick in draft

Just to clarify, I can call up Swihart as a 10th keeper and then I get to make my 1st p pick and GO gets my 2nd?

102

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Wed, Feb 17, 2016, 12:37

I hope Ref stays.

But in true Ref fashion, he gave us the Great American Novel (posts 83 and 91) without actually answering the question.

Ref: are you in? In my eyes, failure to say "yes" (not uh-huh or you bet or even si) by 10 PM tonight means we'll start the process of handing over your team.

103

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Feb 17, 2016, 13:02

101: Yes. If you keep Crawford as a prospect and call up Swihart as a 10th, you would be awarded your 1st and 2nd round prospect picks. GO would get your 2.19 in this scenario.

102: Ref replied to me in another forum. He appears to want some movement on his prospect proposal before committing. That is not going to fly. We can still consider the proposal, but Ref needs to commit to the league with no assurance of the rule change he is putting forth.

I have given Ref until this time tomorrow to say whether he is in or out. We need to finalize who is in our league before finalizing rule changes.

104

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Thu, Feb 18, 2016, 11:28

anyone interested in any of these infielders?
1B/2B Logan Forsythe
2B DJ LeMahieu
SS Jean Segura
SS Brandon Crawford
3B Justin Turner

they come cheap. they were valuable last year and all of them (excl. Segura) earned more playing time this year and should be full-time starters. Segura is on a new team. I plan to keep only one of them.

105

Ref
ID: 24121310
Thu, Feb 18, 2016, 13:07

Guys, with my travel and other things going on in my life, I would be spending a significant amount of my free time on this game. In fact, some not-so-free time as well. Baseball is my favorite, but this league has been heading the wrong way for a few years now in my view. I always believed that we made rules that were fair for everyone not just a few. I put every proposal to a vote that had at least one other person behind it. It seems that except for Guru's proposal that had a dozen or so behind it did that finally get to a vote. Yet others get called-up for an immediate vote. Bottom line that without the bare minimums of reform, the game is getting more and more hopeless and not worthy of anymore investment of time. I was ready to come back, but this is probably a good thing in the end.

No hard feelings. I truly appreciate and like everyone in the league. Just because we don't necessarily agree on everything doesn't mean that I don't like and respect you.

We should probably have species set up a league so we can transfer the information and teams so I can remove it from my name. I can't simply leave in ESPN. All the emails I get on all the trades etc. is a pain. We need to do the same for hoops soon too.

106

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Thu, Feb 18, 2016, 13:30

Happy trails, Ref.

You were the one who got me into this league (during an epic IM session during the 2007 Rocktober playoff game). You've got more championships that anyone in the history of this league, and even managed to finish 2nd as recently as 2014. Your performance, your opinions, and your presence were a vital part of what has been, what is, and what will be G20. More than any other manager, you are the embodiment of this league.

You'll be missed in the league, but I hope we still see you on the boards, on IM, and on the court. Take care, and don't be a stranger.

107

Vampireweekend
ID: 211121813
Thu, Feb 18, 2016, 14:12

Not to pounce while the body is still warm, but I would definitely be interested in joining if the spot is available.

108

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Thu, Feb 18, 2016, 18:04

Is there somewhere in the league site that I can see messages sent to me? I've sent out one to open trade talks with somebody. Not sure what Im looking for to know if they've responded.

109

GO
ID: 4011412823
Thu, Feb 18, 2016, 22:31

Sorry to Ref go, made some classic deals with him (A-Rod? Zambrano, Alex Gordon, DiceK? something like that?) and he's the one who helped me figure everything out when I joined.

111

R9
ID: 15115190
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 01:25

Hey guys, just wanted to stop in and say thanks for the great league and the many years of competition. It was a lot of fun, and kept me interested in baseball far longer than I thought it would.

Looking back though, my interest in baseball as a sport as drifted off the last few years, so much so that I'm not even sure who all these young kids are anymore. ;). Between family, a new business and the competition getting better while I get worse, I didn't think I'd do very well... And I hate losing. ;)

If I have a say, I'd like to see my team go to one manager, not get split up... I'd really like to see what a good manager could do with what I'm leaving. That said, whatever is best for the league is always ok with me.

Good luck guys and I'll be sure to drop in every now and then.

112

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 11:56

105: Thanks Ref for all of your years of dedication to G20. The leagues would never have existed without you. I always marveled at your skill in taking modest teams and turning them into contenders year after year. And to this day, we are all still shooting to match your record number of titles.

I don’t think that any rules have been changed to reward any unfair tactics......but I do think that the managers and tactics have evolved immensely in the last few years, and imo that is a good thing. I love this league because it is the most challenging. We can all say what we want about blue hen's at-times bitter-tasting personality (it is all a matter of taste, right?), but nobody can argue he is one of the best managers in the league. He is forcing me to evolve and up my game.....how is that bad?

Ref earned the right to have his say on the way out and I will in no way begrudge him for that. But I will politely disagree about his perception about rule changes and league votes. Every person who has ever contacted me about a rule or posted about an idea on the boards should have received roughly the same instructions from me:

- Champion your cause
- Articulate your argument
- Foster discussion to see if there is support for a vote
- (VERY IMPORTANTLY) Author the verbiage of your exact rule change

The lottery proposal eventually proposed by Guru had been discussed on many occasions, including by Ref. Guru took the lead in authoring a clear, concise rule and we voted on it. Easy peasy. The demerit / anti-tanking system - originally crafted in Hoops - went through the same process of leadership, discussion, the authoring of a clear rule and a vote.

I agree that a lot of ideas just do not gain traction. Trust me, nobody understands more that me how difficult it is to get things done with a set of less frequent posters (although I believe most/all read the thread regularly). But I cannot shepherd every idea to it's ending....this is OUR league and we all should take part in making it the best we can.

113

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 12:10

So, we have two openings. Fosten is being awarded one of the franchises. He has expressed interest multiple years, is a long-tenured Gurupie and has shown his mettle in RIBC / other Gurupie leagues. Welcome Fosten to G20.

I am requesting nominations - self or from league members - for the last spot. We have GO's buddy Nick and also Vampire Weekend who is in our hoops league. If you know someone who may be interested, please have them post here.

I request that perspective managers email me regarding their interest. Please read our rules (posted above) and let me know if you have questions. Please articulate your experience with deep keeper leagues and prospects.

Barring a vocal series of opinions to the contrary, we will stick to our historical protocol and have a coin flip to determine which new manager will pick their franchise first (as opposed to the mini-draft idea). Incoming managers should note that when you get a new franchise, you get it in its exact condition: players....prospects.....traded picks....etc, just like we all did when we joined after the initial founding of the league.

114

Fosten
ID: 141211911
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 12:28

Thank you Species. This is wonderful news. I solemnly swear that I will dedicate all my strength and the best of my abilities for the spiritual and material welfare of the G20 people, to abide by the Constitution and laws of the league, to defend democracy, the fundamental rights and freedoms of my fellow citizens, G20's sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity. So help me God!

115

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 12:30

108: No. The ESPN email system is just a vehicle to send an email. They keep no record.

I would definitely include your preferred email account in any espn messages you send so a manager can go to direct email.

Note to all managers: with some new additions during midseason last year (Meatwads, Khahan) and another two this year, it would be wise to include your email here so new managers can contact you outside the espn email system.

116

Tree
ID: 211133217
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 12:34

Species - i'm definitely interested! i will email separately.

117

gramazins
ID: 591551911
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 12:56

I'll take the trout and goldy team

118

Khahan
ID: 501111914
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 15:11

Figured out the espn communications system. Hopefully have a trade coming shortly. If anybody emailed me via espn before today I never got the email. I signed up for that account some 15 years ago and the email that was attached to it hasn't been used in a long time. Updated espn too. If you sent me something recently, please resend.

119

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 15:30

For sale, Stephen Piscotty. He's 24 years old and sits at number 123 on Cockcroft's Top 250 Keepers. I don't think a single player ranked better than 123 will be available in the draft, but feel free to look at the list yourself.

Just looking for a 2017 pick upgrade for Piscotty. Please let me know if you are interested!

120

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 16:41

Farewell, Ref!

I echo everything BH said. You've been a "big brother" to the majority of us in this league, especially myself. I'll be short and sweet for a change. Thank you.

121

Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 17:37

Just discovered I have Daniel Norris on my 2015 roster. He is tosh prospect. Best move is to drop him now or wait?
Grabbed him at end of season.

Sorry.

Wish prospect list was alphabetical by last name so we could find them more easily. I am willing to do it once it settles out,

122

Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 17:41

Would someone please post the draft order which includes all the transactions listed in #65.
Also add in anything that happened recently.
I did a bunch of stuff and need to figure out what picks I can swap.

Thanks.

123

Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 17:42

I have 1 prospect and am thinking of adding another, but I traded my #1 pick away.
Can I declare one of the players as a 10th keeper and have one prospect pick left?

124

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 17:46

Judy - Go ahead and drop Norris please. No harm no foul.

I will ask Guru to repost the draft grids in this thread. Hkwever, they are in our 2015 thread as well.....

125

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 17:51

123: Yes. You have Stephenson now. If you keep him, you would get your 1st and 2nd round picks. When your trade goes through, yes, you would have your own 2nd rounder to use.

If you trade for a another prospect and call him up as a 10th keeper, the above situation is exactly the same. You still get to trade away your 1st and have your 2nd to use.

126

Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 18:25

Papelbon for sale - 38 saves projected

Want higher draft pick swap...no players or prospects.

127

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 18:41

Here's my email. Good luck to the new managers. Sad to see the old one's leaving. Onward and upward.

128

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 18:47

With R9 and Ref leaving how many original managers do we have? Pete, Species, Tosh?, me, anyone else?

129

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 18:50

I stand corrected, I thought Species was an original owner. Guess not. Here's the original draft order.

1 allhair
2 ap10
3 azdbacker
4 baldwin
5 bmd
6 code cracker
7 coldwater
8 ksoze
9 louky
10 nerve clinic
11 perm dude
12 peter n
13 promize
14 ref
15 rfs
16 rogue nine
17 Slackjawed Yokel
18 toral
19 Tosh
20 twarpy

130

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 19:50

Sad to see ref and r9 go. Anytime we lose an OG, it's tough. Losing two really stinks. We're becoming an endangered species.

Welcome Fosten!

Here's to Giancarlo staying healthy for an entire season!

131

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 21:50

Also disappointed to see Ref and R9 go. Thanks for the competition over the years guys ...

Welcome to the new guys!

Still looking to move one of these players (rankings via Cockcroft)...
Kendrys Morales (KC, DH) -- HRs and RBIs -- Ranked #104 for 2016. Keeper rank of #150
David Peralta (ARI, OF) -- All-around -- Ranked #117 for 2016. Keeper rank - NR
Ben Revere (WAS, OF) --Rs and SBs -- Rs and SBs -- Ranked #127 for 2016. Keeper rank of #220
Nick Castellanos (DET, 3B) -- Young and ready for breakout -- Ranked #195 for 2016. Keeper rank of #116

132

GO
ID: 2111117
Fri, Feb 19, 2016, 23:42

Finally got to a computer to say thanks to R9 and wish him well too.

133

Species
ID: 54740122
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 10:46

** Trade Announcement **

Judy receives:

Felix Hernandez
Carlos Santana
Jose Peraza ( Prospect )
Ref's 7th

Species receives:

Dee Gordon
Judy's 10th

134

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 12:18

Just realized I never gave a rationale for the Moncada trade. Really, it's all about depth. Hoping 1.01 serves to cancel out Moncada, then two things happen.

I upgrade 1.20 to 1.07. This draft is suddenly deep. In addition to the 3 stud shortstops from the draft, there are a ton of international guys (Park, Maeda, both Gorriels, even this Otani stud in Japan, if he ever gets posted). Moving up from 1.20 to 1.07 gives me a shot to land multiple guys in that top category.

In addition, since I longer have to use a spot on Moncada, I get pick 2.20 back. Again, it's a deep draft, so having another pick, even a late one, is pretty valuable to me. Hopefully I can find another guy like Devers, who moves up quickly.

All that said, Moncada is a stud and GO was smart to get him. I'm happy to assume some risk but diversify my options. Of course, it all depends on me having a good prospect draft.

Next up, improving the major league team. I've got a youth movement going with Schwarber, Gallo, Deshields, McCullers (and Altuve), but Species made a couple good moves to get Cruz and Gordon (though I really like the Gordon deal for Judy), and he's squarely in the conversation this year.

135

Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 14:07

#133 yes.

136

Species
ID: 54740122
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 15:31

After much consideration, including sampling of many owners, I have decided to award the last franchise to Tree. He is a very active manager and amongst the longest tenured Gurupies. All 3 interested managers had MORE than enough "chops" to be worthy.....but as I mentioned to Nick, the tie tends to go to those we have played a lot with.

Nick will be here, however, assisting GO and getting to know the league. Vampire Weekend (aka jseth3333) will also be around with interest in the league for the future.

Welcome Tree.

When he has a moment, Guru will run a coin flip to determine who gets first pick of franchises.

I have some draft grid updating to do....when that is done I will get that to Guru for posting.

137

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 16:23

awesome!! thanks! i look forward to the competition.

to spare me scrolling up through 100-some odd posts, where would i find the rosters of the two teams i stand a chance of taking over?

138

Species
ID: 54740122
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 17:32

137: First post and already a strike against you. You should be combing this thread for posts from managers about available players and trade requests.

That said, start with post 43.....then go to the mid60's for the rules and the rosters. The rules show who has which prospects.

139

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 18:21

ha! like i said via email, i'm wrapping up a science fair project for the kid today.

besides, how do you know i'm not already discussing deals? :D wait..unless you're spying on my celly?!?! where's Snowden when you need him???

140

Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 18:35

Wait -- I was a science teacher! A parent helping? Oh, no! I hope it is not a volcano...

Haha

141

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 18:38

also Species, i'm a two-strike hitter. :D

Judy - nope. no volcano, although good lord, that's the number one joke we've heard. we measured the rate of dissolution for brown sugar in, water, white vinegar, rubbing alcohol, and canola oil, respectively.

142

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 19:07

Welcome Tree!

143

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 19:53

I have now officially never been in a rotoguru boards league that didn't have tree in it.

144

beastiemiked
ID: 469172814
Sat, Feb 20, 2016, 20:54

What's our tiebreaker? I see last year R9, Meatwads, and myself tied. Why was my team considered to be higher in the standings? Did we do a flip to determine this?

145

Species
ID: 54740122
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 02:32

144: Thank you for pointing that out. We should have done a draw of some kind. We will fix that!

146

Species
ID: 54740122
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 13:04

Guru ran the coin flip to determine who between Tree and Fosten would get to choose their franchise first. Fosten won, and may choose between Ref's and R9's team.

Fosten - please do so asap so we may get each of you onto espn so you may control your teams.

147

Judy
ID: 35493114
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 15:31

Tree. Nice experiment,

Next year change the temperature of each of or use just one and you will have another experiment!

What were the results? I will guess best to worst as
Vinegar, water, alcohol and oil.

148

Fosten
ID: 251391118
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 16:30

I choose R9's team. The one with Dan Haren.

149

Species
ID: 281532116
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 17:54

Fosten is taking R9's team.
Tree is assigned Ref's team.

New managers - invites have been sent via ESPN to take over your teams. Please do so asap and update your team names, etc. Once I see you have signed on as an owner, I will remove Ref and R9 from the team.

I have updated all of the trades and the prospects in the constitution.

150

Species
ID: 281532116
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 18:05

Other business for our new owners, including Meatwads, Khahan, Fosten and Tree:

We have an optional annual $15 price pool. In order to EVER be eligible for participating, you must ALWAYS participate, starting with your first year. No waiting until you are good. You are either in forever or out forever.

Please advise as to whether you are in or out. Somewhere between now and the start of the season, Guru will post instructions on how to pay.

151

Khahan
ID: 34255168
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 20:08

Im in the prize pool.

152

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Feb 21, 2016, 20:48

[150] - In recent years, we have given every new manager a one year grace period to decide on joining the prize pool. You can sit out the first year, but then you must decide by year two.

If you opt in at the outset, then you cannot opt back out in year two.

153

Tree
ID: 211133217
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 08:21

to clarify - looking at the trades above - is this team without 2nd, 4th, and 7th round picks for this draft, or these picks given up previously?

154

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 09:33

Yeah, Ref traded 2016 picks to get 2015 picks.

155

Ref
ID: 24121310
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 11:05

In case I wasn't explicit enough in my posts or emails, since I created the league, when I am deleted in ESPN, the entire league is deleted and everything is lost forever. I highly recommend creating another league and copying all the info over and getting teams set up before deleting me.

Same thing goes for basketball which I haven't been in for a few years but remained in as a co-owner so the league wouldn't be deleted but am still deluged by all the correspondence and trades, etc.

156

GO
ID: 2111117
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 11:09

Thanks for the explanation Ref. We definitely need to do this to keep historical records readily available.

I have added Nick/Thumqer as my co-manager so feel free to hit both of us with trade talks etc. Figure it is a good way for him to see the inner workings of the league.

157

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 11:18

Just ran a quick lottery to break the 12th place tie.

Winner: Fosten (i.e., seeded 12th)
Next: BDM (seeded 11th)
Last: Meatwads (seeded 10th)

158

Ref
ID: 24121310
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 11:25

156: We are working on a "workaround" now. Before when I called them about hoops they said I had to delete but was not going to destroy the history.

159

Tree
ID: 211133217
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 11:40

man. that rebuilding is going to go to a completely different level missing 2 of my 4 top picks and 3 of my top 7.

challenge accepted.

160

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 12:02

Re: 155. Congrats to all of you in G20. We now have a new league creator, Species. He'll now have to step up and be a better commissioner, since he's been terrible up until now.

Congrats Species, and congrats G20!

161

Ref
ID: 24121310
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 12:04

159 I think that was a trade from two years ago maybe? Don't remember exactly.

155-156 BH got a guy he knew at ESPN to change the creator page from me to Species in both league so I should be able to be deleted now. That saves a LOT of time and energy.

Thanks again to everyone for all the kind words. It was a pleasure creating, running and being a member this league for what 15 years or so and am happy to leave it in such good hands!

162

Species
ID: 1311531116
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 12:25

Fosten on fire. He 'wins' R9's team and wins the mini-lottery for the higher spot in the draft. I have sent Guru the latest draft grids with the results of that mini-lottery and the recent trades.

Thank you blue hen for getting the League Creator issue handled so quickly. We cannot afford to lose all of that league history.

Thanks again Ref for all of your work over the years.

------------

For the Supplemental Draft, we will again use Draftime. I have renewed the league and have already sent Draftime invites to Fosten, Khahan, Meatwads and Tree. GreatOne -- be sure to add Nick in there as a partner!

163

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 12:52

Rewording the BH/GO trade, with essentially the same result.

Immediately after prospect keepers, BH sends Moncada, Moustakas, and 1.20 to GO for 1.01, 1.07, and 2.19.

164

GO
ID: 2111117
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 13:01

Confirmed. Thanks for updating BH.

I think we should take a long look at simplifying the prospect pick trading etc cause at times it seems unnecessarily complicated. I will try and brainstorm some tweaks.

165

Species
ID: 1311531116
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 13:54

163/164: Noted.

A reminder for everyone on our timeline for this year:

- Keepers due March 14th, Noon
- Prospect Keepers due March 15th, Noon
- Prospect Draft March 16th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft opens March 19th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 21st, 9am

166

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 15:48

Updated prospect draft grid:

	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3
1	GreatOne	Bean	Bean
2	Jaydog	GreatOne	GreatOne
3	Bean	Tree	Tree
4	Tree	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
5	Nerfherders	Jaydog	Jaydog
6	bmd	Judy	Judy
7	GreatOne	Pete N.	Pete N.
8	mjd	mjd	mjd
9	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten
10	bmd	bmd	bmd
11	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads
12	Species	Species	Species
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	darkside	darkside	darkside
15	slizz	slizz	slizz
16	blue hen	Tosh	Tosh
17	Guru	Guru	Guru
18	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan
19	WG	GreatOne	WG
20	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen

167

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 15:50

Updated supplemental draft grid:

	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	Nerfherders	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean
2	youngroman	GreatOne	GreatOne	blue hen	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
3	Jaydog	Species	Tree	Species	Tree	Tree	Judy
4	Bean	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
5	GreatOne	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
6	Tree	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Slizz	Judy
7	Judy	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.
8	Pete N.	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
9	mjd	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten
10	Fosten	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd
11	bmd	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads	mjd	Meatwads
12	Meatwads	Species	Species	Species	Bean	Nerfherders	WG
13	Species	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
15	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
16	Tosh	blue hen	Tosh	Tosh	Meatwads	Tosh	Tosh
17	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
18	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	GreatOne	Khahan
19	WG	WG	bmd	mjd	mjd	WG	WG
20	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Bean	Bean	Species	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean
2	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	Khahan
3	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree
4	Species	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
5	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
6	bmd	Judy	Species	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy
7	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.
8	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	WG	Species	Meatwads
9	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten
10	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	WG	Judy
11	Meatwads	Meatwads	Tosh	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads
12	Species	Species	Tree	Tree	Tree	Species	Species
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	WG
15	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	Judy	slizz
16	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
17	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
18	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan
19	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG
20	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Tosh	GreatOne

168

Tree
ID: 211133217
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 17:06

i am still sorting through how some of the things work here, but i'm in a pretty solid rebuild move, which means i'm game for trades.

although some would move easier than others, i'm pretty much open to trading most people on my roster. there are a couple exceptions, but if you've got interest in anyone on my roster, let me know what you're thinking,....

169

Species
ID: 150272712
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 20:13

I am putting forth my rule change to provide better clarification to who exactly is eligible to be drafted in the Prospect Draft. We had some discussion about whether amateurs should be allowed to be drafted (which we do not allow now), and there wasn't that much support to do so.

I am proposing to modify the definition to specify which foreign professionals are eligible to be drafted. What it basically does differently is two things:

1) Adds Korean professionals in the KBO
2) Specifies that only Cuban players in their top pro league, the Serie Nacional, are eligible.

This would go into effect for the upcoming 2016 Prospect Draft.

Rule Change Vote:

Currently the eligibility rules state: "A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than 55 IP or 20 GP. They do not need to be in the ESPN player database, but can not be still in high school/college, etc. They need to either be on a pro team, drafted by a team, or a current free agent/professional Japanese or Cuban player."

This would be replaced by the following:

"A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 Major League at bats or a pitcher with less than both 55 Major League innings pitched and 20 Major League games pitched. Further, to be eligible, the player must be a professional baseball player, defined as one of the following:

- Under contract with a MLB team's system. This does not require them to have been assigned to a minor league team at the time of the draft.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Japan's Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Korea's Korean Baseball Organization (KBO) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Cuba's top professional league, the Serie Nacional.

Amateur players in High School, College or otherwise subject to the Rule 4 draft are not eligible."

Please vote Yes or No.

Thanks.

170

Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Feb 22, 2016, 22:43

Not sure how I dropped from 1.06 to 1.07? Will research tomorrow unless someone has a quick answer,

171

Species
ID: 420231813
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 00:09

170: It was the draft lottery. We implemented a new rule last season to run it within 30 days of the end of the season. youngroman jumped from 13th to 2nd.

172

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 11:52

Are we voting here? In that case,

Yes

173

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 12:26

Vote: Yes.

174

Meatwads
ID: 181121414
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 12:35

I vote YES

175

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 13:15

I vote yes.

176

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 13:19

Yes

Species - thanks for staying on top of this and taking the time to craft the language!

177

mjd
ID: 21110120
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 13:30

Yes

178

Khahan
ID: 331332312
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 13:33

vote - yes

179

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 13:42

Yes

180

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 15:24

That's 8 yes votes.

I vote yes to make it 9.

Two more to have it pass.

FYI --- this is just one piece of the prospect rules. This vote does not preclude considering other prospect rule changes.

181

Judy
ID: 35493114
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 16:13

Yes.

182

GO
ID: 2111117
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 18:57

Yes

183

Species
ID: 150272712
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 19:32

Motion passes and the clarification has been added to our rules.

184

GoatLocker
ID: 45132320
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 21:03

Wow, what a lot of changes.
Best of luck to all.

185

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 22:07

I've been thinking about what Ref said in Post #91 and BH's retort in Post #94.

I understand and agree with both viewpoints. Ref is right that we should be picking up our prospects. Dave is also right that we should be maximizing our roster spots.

However, making it mandatory to pickup a prospect the minute they are called up would be very difficult to police. Not to mention that the player might not even be worth a spot:

For example, Judy prospected Michael Choice for a number of years. He was called up and down a number of times and, ultimately, amounted to nothing. It's not fair for Judy to be held to that rigid proposal forcing her to carry crappy Michael Choice on her active roster. On the contrary, BH had Kyle Schwarber and it's safe to say that he should've been up and owned.

So the question I asked myself is as follows: how do we determine who should be up on the active roster and who shouldn't, so it's fair across the board?

My answer/suggestion: ESPN posts the % owned / started for every player, FA or not. Once that "prospect" crosses, say, the 50% owned threshold, he should be rostered. My thought is that if at least 50% (half) of all fantasy baseball players in ESPN leagues own that prospect, he should be owned in G20. The average FA is less than 20% owned, so these primo players will always be atop the ww pool making it easy to enforce/monitor.

I would support the % being lower than 50%, but it's a start that makes it easy to monitor. The Michael Choices of the world will never hit that threshold, and most importantly players that should be owned are.

Thoughts?

186

GO
ID: 4011412823
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 22:22

I think that's a pretty damn good barometer for a roster requirement. Maybe up it a bit. What % did Schwarber finish with last year? Bird? Lindor? Need a cross reference of comparisons.

Maybe start at 80 or 90% this year. Dial it lower and lower as applicable.

187

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 23:11

Slizz is on to something I think. There are still some questions that would come up - is that threshold (lets say 50%) so set in stone that you can't make a business decision to send him down? Remember last year when Schwarber slumped hard? This is a guy who, thru the first 2 months in the majors(Jun 16-Aug 20) was a .300 hitter yet finished the season with a .246 BA. Yet he was still owned by more than 50% of managers.

I could see the requirement to call him up at a certain point. But what do we do after that? Hold a managers roster spot hostage because a player is popular?

I think ultimately we need to give the benefit of the doubt to each individual manager. Assume each manager is doing what is best for his squad and staying active without forcing artificial requirements like this. And if a pattern emerges where viable players are being left alone - maybe look into team abandonment. Obviously last year with BH that wasn't the case with Schwarber. As frustrating as it was for me to look on the WW and see Schwarber and a few others - the managers who owned them were running their teams as they see fit. Thats something we have to consider.

188

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Feb 23, 2016, 23:58

Interesting thoughts.

Ref's main point was that the waiver wire was lessened by too many prospects as FA while bh (in this case) was streaming. How many others were out there? 1? 2?

Slizz brings up a reasonable, relatively easily police-able solution. But.....who else sees this as a problem needing a solution in the first place??

189

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 09:36

I don't see this as a problem, personally. I'd prefer to have to call somebody up once they hit a threshold of at bats, rather than percent owned.

One thing to consider is timing - probably shouldn't enact any rule like this until 2017. Otherwise I might not have traded away Moncada.

For the record, I wasn't exactly streaming - I landed Welington Castillo who was better than Schwarber in the 2nd half, so I played him.

190

Khahan
ID: 9155248
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 09:55

How do I include draft picks in a trade offer? Just put a note in that I'd like them included or is there an option like in Yahoo to make them part of the actual trade?

191

Tree
ID: 211133217
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 10:21

still taking offers for Edwin Encarnacion, Ian Kinsler, Hanley Ramirez, Adam Wainwright, and almost anyone else on my roster you might want.

if you've played with me, you know i like to deal. if you've played G24 football with me, you know that when i take a team that needs some rebuilding, i relish it.

so let's work on something.

192

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 11:16

190 : Yeah, you just put those details into the notes section of the offer.

193

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 11:17

190 : Any prospects in a trade are input into the notes section as well.

194

Species
ID: 420231813
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 14:52

Still Seeking Trades!

I still have some bullets in my gun for teams looking for either veteran power our young upside:

Jay Bruce may have a challenging BA/OBP, but his power is still there. A rumored trade to Toronto is on hold, but he could end up with a contender (with improved RBI chances) or remain in Cincinnati and HR-friendly GAB.

Eduardo Rodgriguez is a pitcher worth investing in. The Dynasty Guru rated him the 42nd best dynasty starter:

42) Eduardo Rodriguez, Boston Red Sox (Age: 22, Previous Rank: 107)

The electric left-hander took baseball by storm in the first-half of 2015, combining mid-90’s heat with a wipeout slider. Rodriguez had a 1.14 WHIP at the All-Star break, and looked to be one of baseball’s best young starters. He faltered a bit in the second half, seeing many of his peripherals deteriorate, leaving him with a pedestrian 3.85 ERA and 1.29 WHIP at season’s end. The stuff is filthy, and with a bit of development, E-Rod could become one of the best left-handed starters in the game.

Alex Reyes of the Cardinals isn't far behind Rodgriguez at 49th on the same list:

49) Alex Reyes, St. Louis Cardinals (Age: 21, Previous Rank: 173)

The 6-foot-3 inch right-hander absolutely fits the bill of a major league horse. Reyes features a thick, powerful lower-half, where he generates tremendous power, putting his stuff in the same realm as Thor’s. His fastball flirts with triple digits on a regular basis, and he has a solid curveball to go with it, striking out over 36 percent of hitters in both High-A and Double-A in 2015. While the double-digit walk rates are a concern, Reyes was one of the youngest players in the Southern League last year, and his talent is unmistakable. He is one of only a handful of prospects with true ace potential, and though his off-field habits have him on the shelf for 50 games, Reyes’s stuff could play in the big leagues right now.

Prospect Picks:
I also have 3 juicy prospect picks in the upcoming draft. If I were to part with any of these beauties, it would be AFTER our 9 keepers. Those keeping closers should apply.

195

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 16:33

BH - it's essentially creating up to 26 roster spots / 3 extra bench spots during a given season. Is it fair to the rest of the league when a guy who is pretty much a must own in G20 is out there toiling away on the ww?

As I stated in post #95, I don't think that's what we envisioned when the prospect system was created. The way it stands now, you are 100% right to maximize that roster spot by leaving those guys out there and squatting on their rights.

My point with the above suggestion was to promote fairness to the other teams for them to get a player they otherwise would not get. Off the top of my head, the following players were FA's but owned > 50%:

Schwarber
Gallo (after that torrid start...but quickly dropped)
Bird
Tomas
Swihart
Buxton

Khahan - The % owned reflects 8 team leagues all the way up to us. Given that, I think 50% is a relatively conservative number. Those prospects are less likely to be owned in the smaller leagues...I think it's reasonable to believe that a player with 50% or greater ownership should be owned.

Me? I operate with the mindset that if it can help my team, he's on my roster.

196

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 17:32

My problem arises when teams leave their prospects who are on a major league 25 man roster on the ww, yet will use roster spots on prospect eligible players still in the minors.

197

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Wed, Feb 24, 2016, 23:17

195 - Slizz, I actually dont disagree with you. I just wonder about unforeseen consequences which raises the question of, "is it worth it?" Are we resolving 1 issue but creating other issues and if so, which issues would we rather contend with?

I think your idea is a good starting point for discussion. But if we are going to make a rule that effectively dictates a roster decision for a manager I think it needs to be fleshed out more.

198

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 17:21

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Team Slizz Gives:

Jurickson Profar, 2B, TEX
Marcus Stroman, SP, TOR
Kevin Gausman, SP, BAL
Rusney Castillo, OF, BOS

Tree (Fort Worth House Martins) Gives:

Stephen Strasburg, SP, WAS

My analysis to follow in the annual diary...

199

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sat, Feb 27, 2016, 18:27

Nice trade guys!

200

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sun, Feb 28, 2016, 17:23

confirmed. pleasure doing business!

201

Species
ID: 1311531116
Mon, Feb 29, 2016, 13:22

Happy Leap Day!

Spring Training is in full swing. We are exactly two weeks away from our first deadline:

- Keepers due March 14th, Noon
- Prospect Keepers due March 15th, Noon
- Prospect Draft March 16th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft opens March 19th, Noon
- Supplemental Draft clock starts March 21st, 9am

We have 3 new managers who have never done our supplemental and prospect drafts. Khahan has in the past so this may be old hat to him. But for reference, here are links to a couple of our previous prospect drafts:

2015 Prospect Draft
2014 Prospect Draft

202

Species
ID: 1311531116
Mon, Feb 29, 2016, 13:25

And then you have the newbies who wonder: "What is a 3rd worth anyway?". Well, here you go.....links to our last 2 Supplemental Drafts (I am pretty sure they are 'public' in Draftime, so I hope this link works):
2015 Supplemental Draft

2014 Supplemental Draft

203

Tree
ID: 211133217
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 08:24

i'm not sure we newbies can see those archived supplemental drafts as linked...

204

Species
ID: 1311531116
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 12:30

Ok. I created a thread in the Standings Forum for a cut and paste job:

2014 and 2015 drafts

205

mjd
ID: 21110120
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 18:26

Trade Announcement

Blue Hen trades Dellin Betances, NYY RP

mjd trades 2016 prospect pick 2.08

206

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 19:12

Confirmed. Let the record show that MJD is easy to work with and happy to talk through things.

207

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 21:26

Interesting trade.

I love Betances.....but am curious how mjd is valuing him??

1) Merely as a high inning, amazing K, amazing ratio, non-save guy?

2) All of the above, plus a likely closer in 2017 (assuming Chapman leaves as FA and Miller.....blows out his arm?)

If not 2, that seems like a LOT to pay for a non-save guy......or is it me?

208

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 21:32

....and to be clear, I'm not tearing into mjd.....just debating and understanding what he believes he is buying.

211

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 21:36

Well, Chapman did just get hit with a 30 game suspension. Maybe guessing Betances just nails the closer job. Or gets it for 30 games this year and handles it next year like you said.

212

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 21:50

Ballsy. Keep those trades coming!

213

mjd
ID: 21110120
Tue, Mar 01, 2016, 21:56

I assume Miller gets the part time closer job. Betances is a bit of a luxury without the saves, but I was OK with the price.

But you never know. Were Betances to become a closer, he'd gain tremendous value.

I was just looking to improve my team and don't have enough good keepers and I felt it was worth the price.

214

blue hen
ID: 10354414
Wed, Mar 02, 2016, 09:51

Now wait.

Who was 2.08 in last year's p draft? That'd be Jake Lamb. And the previous year? Austin Meadows. Sure, Mookie Betts was also taken in the 2nd round, but these are far from a sure thing.

In exchange for Betances. Whose floor is something like 100% owned all season, and more strikeouts than any other reliever. And his ceiling? Well, that's the best closer in baseball. I definitely thing this valuation is right on the money.

215

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 02, 2016, 12:48

214: Keep in mind this is not a Giancarlo Stanton-like trade uproar. Just a friendly discussion of value - and a sincere question as to what mjd thought he was getting in trade.

Players chosen in the second round (or later) of recent Prospect Drafts:
Greg Bird
Luis Severino
Trea Turner
Tyler Glasnow
Mookie Betts
Julio Urias
JP Crawford
Masahiro Tanaka
Noah Syndergaard
Trevor Rosenthal

And then add to them all of the guys that could have been drafted last year that soared up prospect lists for 2016: Alex Reyes, Blake Snell, Lewis Brinson, Orlando Arcia, AJ Reed and Jose Berrios (to name a few).

Obviously there are plenty of busts in there as well. IMO the moral to the story is that there is no greater way for a team to gain appreciation in an asset than the Prospect Draft. A prospect pick sounds innocent enough -- but if you HIT your pick and get that breakout young star is the next Mookie Betts, you have a highly valued asset.

In stealing someone else's argument, the first reliever who was CLEARLY a non-save guy to be drafted in 2015 was Wade Davis at 4.14. It would be fair to say that Betances was slightly better than Davis going into 2015, but they are close. Plenty of 'up in the air' closing situations had relievers taken before Davis, including Miller, Boxberger, McGee and others. Hell Latroy Hawkins went 2.15 because he was named the clear (even if highly shaky) closer.

I wholeheartedly agree that if Betances ascended to closer status that mjd would have struck a bargain. But then again, he would not have been available at that price if he was the closer.

Again......just debating value. IMO it is an overpay --- but I overpay all the time when I feel I have the need to get something. Some have commented that I might have overpaid in my Dee Gordon trade (and if Peraza steals 30 bags this year, the answer is a resounding YES I did!). The differing perspectives of value are what make the league fun.

216

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 02, 2016, 13:58

Good debate on value. Everyone sees it a little different and it a worthwhile discussion especially in a deep league like this.

I think that I value prospects. Of my potential keepers, Heyward, Madbum, Polanco, Kang, Tanaka,and Solar are all prospects. Still waiting for a most of these guys to break out.

But as Species pointed out, the pool of prospect players is deeper than ever. I had no prob giving up a 2nd rounder on admittedly a shot in the dark.

When I drafted Tanaka a few years ago, that was questioned. But when the Yankees signed him I was a genius. Of course, now I'm just praying that his right arm doesn't fall off.

I also passed on Strasburg. I traded his rights to Ref right before the p draft. I didn't like his mechanics and sure enough he had TJ surgery. But he's fully healthy now and had I know that I could have gotten such a haul for him someday, perhaps I wouldn't have traded him.

217

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 02, 2016, 15:21

I'm still looking to upgrade another keeper for a mid round pick for anyone with extras.

A mid to low level closer is my preference, but I need help almost everywhere.

218

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 02, 2016, 15:47

Still looking to sell sell sell.

Lance McCullers, Curtis Granderson, Stephen Piscotty, Brad Boxberger. Let me know what you're willing to give for them.

219

Khahan
ID: 1823338
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 09:33

I've had a number of inquiries about Tolleson and Street. Well, nobody on my team is untouchable. Make an offer. I could use some speed and some youth but I'd be looking for youth that helps in 2016.

220

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 11:55

Commercial for Lance McCullers

Complete list of players with at least 125 innings pitched, a K/9 rate of over 9.24, at age 22 of younger:

Kerry Wood 1998, Dwight Gooden 1984, Oliver Perez 2004, Sam McDowell 1965, Tom Hall 1970, Mark Prior 2003, Scott Kazmir 2006, Oliver Perez 2003, Ken Brett 1970, Rick Ankiel 2000, Noah Syndergaard 2015, Bobby Witt 1986, Cole Hamels 2006, Balor Moore 1972, Jose Fernandez 2013, Clayton Kershaw 2009, Herb Score 1955, Tom Griffin 1969, Sid Fernandez 1985, Frank Tanana 1975, Clayton Kershaw 2010, Lance McCullers 2015.

Pretty good company. Who wants McCullers?

221

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 13:23

bh - I miss Liriano on that list who achieved this feet in the 2006 season.

interesting is that 2 of my other keepers are also on that list: Syndergaard and Hamels. although Syndergaard pitched his 125th inning when he was 23 years + 2 weeks and shouldn't be on that list.

and Neftali Feliz almost made it too. he missed the list by 3 weeks in 2011. as a reliever.

222

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 13:51

Liriano missed by 4 IP - only threw 121. He was also a full year older than McCullers was in 2015, almost missed the cut there too. They use June 30 as the cutoff.

Looking at 21 or younger makes things even more impressive - only Wood, Gooden, Perez, Brett, Ankiel, Moore, J. Fernandez, Kershaw, Griffin, and Tanana are the 10 ahead of McCullers.

Some good names below McCullers, too - Feller, Eckersley, and Ryan are 14-15-16, and Sabathia, Clemens, and Matt Cain are 20-21-22.

223

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 15:40

Liriano already had 23.2 innings in 2005, so he exceeded 125 in late 2006. or are they only counting 125 innings within a single season?

the list has a lot of good pitchers. unfortunately most of the mentioned players since 1999 had TJ the next year (Wood, Liriano, Fernandez, Feliz) or missed half of the next season due to injuries (Prior, Perez, Ankiel)

only 3 performed at an elite level the next season: Kazmir, Hamels and Kershaw.

will be interesting to see how Syndergaard and McCullers do this year.

224

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 15:51

I think we will see more and more pitchers succumb to Tommy John as the next few years go on.

We are finally getting the crop of "year round" baseball youth in the Rule 4 draft/making their way through the minors now. Plus, they're throwing at such a high velocity before their arms fully develop...

My two darlings already have 1 operation a piece...

225

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 16:42

Yes, this was "a season with at least 125 innings." That said, pretty sure Liriano helps make the case. He sure looked good then, and 10 years later, is still relevant in fantasy.

226

GO
ID: 4011412823
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 21:13

re: 215 Species

Damn, I'm good at picking 2nd rounders...

227

beastiemiked
ID: 5911312710
Thu, Mar 03, 2016, 22:11

Looking to trade Blackmon, Jose Reyes, and Beltre AFTER keepers are declared. Looking for youth.

228

Species
ID: 150272712
Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 14:34

Prospect Rules Discussion

We touched on this last year (or maybe the year before?), and it had sufficient opposition that it kind of died down. But the basics of the idea were: You may keep as many prospects on your prospect list as you own picks. The "three" slots you are used to getting now, plus any slots to be provided by picks acquired by trade.

Let's talk first about what we would NOT be considering. The basic structure of the 60 prospect annual limit is not something I am willing to push. That limit is a good balance between 'deep' and 'not too deep'. The league continues to evolve with new managers, so perhaps a little bit more down the line there will be more of a consensus to make it deeper (if we desire), but for now let's investigate tweaking what we have but keeping the limit of 60.

I will have to work on some exact wording, but the basics would be:

- You must get down to 3 prospects or less as we do now.
- UNLESS you have additional pick(s) from other managers. If you do, you may use that pick to open up an additional slot(s) to hold additional prospects.

To me this opens up additional trading opportunities and allows rebuilders the chance to stockpile young talent. It fosters trades and increases flexibility.

One aspect to consider would be -- what is the PRECISE requirement in order to have more than 3 prospect 'slots'. For example, the league could decide that it requires a 1st round prospect pick in order to exceed 3 prospects. It is very valuable to have more than 3, so the cost to be able to have that privilege should be considered.

If we were to do this, it would go into effect for the 2017 prospect deadline. This works because no one has traded a 2017 prospect pick, so implementing this rule would not effect an existing trade.

Thoughts??

229

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 23:44

I understand and like the requirement that the total number of slots cannot exceed 60 picks. But beyond that, why have restrictions? If I have 3 players I'm keeping and make a trade with GO for example for his second round pick, why not just leave that I have 3 prospects this year plus a second round pick and GO gets his 1st and 3rd to do with as he pleases?

Unless there was something I was missing about this I dont see why we should treat it differently than the supplemental draft.

230

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 09:24

Khahan - that is exactly how it is now.

Species proposal allows you to keep beyond 3 prospects.

Using Blue Hen's team (easiest to use because he has the most picks too) as an example, he has the following prospects:

Yoan Moncada
Kyle Schwarber
Joey Gallo
Rafael Devers
Tyler Kolek

Blue Hen has the following picks:

1.16 (Tosh)
1.20
2.08 (mjd)
2.20
3.20

Under Species proposal, Blue Hen could now keep all 5 as prospects and not have any picks in the prospect draft.

My thoughts?

You are allowed to keep 3 prospects max going into the regular season. Allowing you to keep more will only increase prospect hoarding.

What changes I would support:

-you are allowed to use other managers picks to keep 3. As of now, one can only use their own draft selections to keep a player. So if BH only had 2 of his own picks, he can only keep 2. I feel you should be able to utilize any pick you own to keep a player provided it is under 3, ex Pete N:

Gray
Glasnow
Harvey

Pete traded his 1st (1.07) to GO and can only keep 2. If Pete made a trade for a 3rd rd prospect pick he could keep all 3 as prospects under my modified proposal capping prospect keepers at 3.

Proposal #2:

If there is no momentum for when a player is called up (i.e. % owned), I definitely would like to see this one added:

Once a prospect exhausts eligibility, they must be renounced and subject to waivers or called to the active roster.

No excuses to have a player over 110ip or 300ab to be on the ww as an extension of your roster only to be kept the following season.

231

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 12:49

-you are allowed to use other managers picks to keep 3. As of now, one can only use their own draft selections to keep a player. So if BH only had 2 of his own picks, he can only keep 2. I feel you should be able to utilize any pick you own to keep a player provided it is under 3, ex Pete N:

So in BH's case under your proposal he could keep 3 of those players but still have 2 draft picks this season? I think with BH being a defending champ AND having those picks it illustrates as a problem. But what if the last place team had those players and thru draft and trading had carefully been crafting a rebuild? Would you view the prospect hoarding the same way? Also remember, he's only able to hoard because of trades and activity. I still dont see the need for further restrictions beyond 'no more than 60 total draft picks/keepers.'

It is very valuable to have more than 3, so the cost to be able to have that privilege should be considered.
The cost of having more than 3 prospect picks is whatever you and the manager you acquired the extra picks from agreed to in a trade. Why should there be a cost beyond that?

I do like proposal #2, though. Just seems to make sense. Once they're not a prospect they shouldn't be shielded as if they were a prospect. I'd be ok with that.

232

Species
ID: 54740122
Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 13:21

I too really like the modification of a prospect immediately losing prospect list eligibility once they hit limits. Maybe give the manager 7 days to call them up or lose their rights forever.

More thoughts/perspectives please :)

233

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 13:30

<232> We do that in the Poli League, where I am the commish. The rule is 7 days just as was suggested. I had to write the rule so that there was no wiggle room for interpretation.

It encourages predatory behavior if that's what you are trying to achieve. Some managers will just monitor the stats of the players waiting to pounce at the moment the player becomes available. I JUST proposed that the player goes to waivers vs becoming a free agent, however I haven't worked out the mechanics of that yet without requiring the commish to keep up with all the prospects ABs/IPs.

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mjd
ID: 21110120
Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 14:39

I like #2 proposed by slizz and 232.

235

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 16:03

Every time I read discussions about the prospect rules, no matter how many times, I feel totally confused by them.

So if someone had five prospects, and has 5 prospect picks, and doesn't call up or release more than two prospects, they can't use their prospect picks. This is how I understand the rules. So I am trying to figure out how anyone who is in that situation would even bother trading for prospect picks.

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mjd
ID: 21110120
Sat, Mar 05, 2016, 20:13

Trade value, perhaps.

237

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 07:34

Strong support for 232.

For discussion, any interest in a rule that says you can't keep a player who hasn't played in a major league game? Or perhaps that same rule if you picked him up after Sept 1? That would add a player like Lewis Brinson back into the prospect pool, increasing the value of the prospect draft and encouraging trades of major leaguers.

238

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:01

as has previously been pointed out, we use the 7 day rule in another league, and it mostly works, although it's important to get the wording right and be specific (as in, after 12:01 am on the 7th day or 8th day or whatever it might be), because otherwise it leads to confusion.

for the most part, owners have been diligent and pay attention, but, sometimes, you snooze, you lose.

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Slizz
ID: 52001222
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:03

I'm 100% for that Species (post 232). We are all friends first, so a reminder when a prospect does hit limits and we can go from there. 7 days is more than enough time.

Khahan - Yes. immediately after posting, I thought the same thing - it still doesn't change much for a team like BH with that proposal. He's still gonna have 5 prospects from 2016-17...I can't fault BH or any owner for being savvy. As long as we have the 60 prospect cap, I'm fine with whatever the league decides.

That said, I only have strong feelings for "Proposal #2" and to a lesser degree "must own" players sitting on the ww.

240

mjd
ID: 21110120
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:32

So the rule that at some point you have to be down to 3 prospects is already changed?

I, like Nerf, am confused.

241

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 10:47

I'm starting to feel like the sucker at the carnival. The game feels rigged. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, we can have more than three prospects prior to keeper declaration now?

242

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 11:02

Negative. Species proposal in 228 would allow a team to keep as many prospects as they have picks.

Right now, it's capped at 3 (the amount of picks you are alloted). For example, If you trade one of your picks away, you can only keep 2 prospects.

243

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 11:31

I am a big proponent of parity, this stinks of just keeping the best teams on top. Keep this crap up and we should just send our money to BH before the season, why bother with the commish as a middle man.

244

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 12:47

Bean, you complain a lot.

In case it wasn't apparent, none of this would be enacted until next year, giving you ample time to trade for prospect picks, if that's your priority. And for 2016, this has zero impact, since there's only one manager with the ability to keep more than 3 prospects, and he isn't planning to.

The system is NOT rigged against you. The defending champ has won because he has put in more effort than any other owner in this league.

If you're not happy with the system, and want better competitive balance, or even rule changes that help out you and no one else, then propose something. You do a lot more complaining than proposing.

I put forth a proposal that the league champ only gets 8 keepers. Surprised you weren't more vocal in your support of that one.

245

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 17:10

BH, maybe it sounds like complaining because that is exactly what it is. I don't like people who are already on top pushing their agenda to keep themselves there by trying to create rules nobody understands.

It doesn't take long to figure out that the competitive balance of this league is way out of whack. In my estimation, any new rule proposals should target that, and little else.

246

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 18:07

243 / 245:

I would welcome your constructive suggestions on ways to make the league more balanced and competitive. I don't necessarily disagree that we should consider rules to give teams a better chance to build competitive teams.

But curious -- what aspect of the rule change I have thrown on the table for discussion (not a vote yet) pushes an agenda for myself?

If anything, a rule change of this nature only gives a rebuilding team a greater opportunity to stockpile the highest upside young talent for the future. Your team is actually a great example. If you can get competing teams to take some of your 2016 assets (Duda....Wright....Pedroia....Zeigler) with little long term value and turn them into prospects or prospect picks, from my view in the cheap seats that is a great way for you to begin the turnaround of your roster.

The league goes in cycles like any other league. Ref had consistently competitive teams with aging veterans until it finally caught up with him and the Hanleys/Hollidays/Wainrights of the world crapped out.

I won (and tied) for the league title in 2010 and 2011. For 2012, look at the roster I had:

1. Adrian Gonzalez, 1b, BOS
2. Alex Rodriguez, 3b, NYY
3. Curtis Granderson, OF, NYY
4. Lance Berkman, 1b/OF, StL
5. BJ Upton, OF, TB
6. Mark Teixeira, 1b, NYY
7. Felix Hernandez, SP, SEA
8. CC Sabathia, SP, NYY
9. Mariano Rivera, RP, NYY

Compare that to what I have now. I worked my ass off to turn these various assets over (many times) to change the makeup of my team. This included trading for Matt Harvey after his TJ surgery (and waiting the year)......trading for Miguel Sano THREE YEARS AGO.....lucking out on drafting Jose Abreu and Corey Seager in the same prospect draft, and turning a pick that ended up being Jose Fernandez (I traded the pick before winning the P-draft lottery) into Xander Bogaerts and eventually turning him into Mookie Betts. I went all "Astros" on my team, going total youth and getting high picks and turning mid-term assets into the best long-term assets I could.

But I digress.

The problem is not our rules. They are not slanted to benefit one manager over another. You either work them as hard as you can to create your preferred roster, or you don't.

247

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 18:09

I will consider one aspect of the proposed change to have received sufficient support for a vote. I will consider what language to put forth, but we will put eventually forth a rule change as roughly discussed in Post 232. I would GREATLY prefer to put any such players through waivers to avoid the free-for-all 12:01am rush to such players as mentioned by Tree. I will have to investigate whether ESPN allows me to do so.

248

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 18:25

Every year the teams on top will have good players that they cannot keep. These players can be improvements to keepers for the teams on the bottom. Top managers get pick improvements for essentially nothing, since they will lose rights to those players anyway. The bottom teams act in their self interest by making these deals, but in reality, it leads to the rich getting richer more often than the poor getting a break. I am not saying anything here that anybody doesn't understand to be a fact.

By allowing even more opportunities for the rich to get richer, you further skew the competitive balance of the league in the favor of the rich. Its plain and simple.

The leagues with the best parity are re-draft leagues. The ones with the worst parity are those they allow for the rights to ALL rostered players to stay with their original team. The number of keepers you allow is the easiest way to vary how much team continuity and how much parity you want to sustain in your league.

I would like us to open a discussion to reduce the number of keepers, not increase them.

249

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 18:54

235 / 240 / 241:

- NO changes to our existing rules have been approved.
- Post 228 is a rule change consideration for our discussion. Generally we discuss first....ensure there is reasonable support first.....before ever putting anything up for a vote.
- When a new rule goes in place, we would always do so in a manner in which any existing trades would not be disturbed by the change.
- As such, if we were to end up approving a rule change of this nature, it would go into effect for 2017.

This is a good time to review the deadlines of our league during March, and what you are able to do as each of those deadlines hits:

1) Keepers due Monday March 14th, Noon ET:
This is straightforward. All teams announce their 9 keepers. All other players go into the Supplemental Draft.

What can you do once this deadline passes?
- You can exceed 9 players from this point on
- You can do this by calling up players from your prospect list
- You can make trades of any kept players, prospects and picks

An example might be that I would trade a 2017 draft pick for a closer at 12:01pm that day.

Prospect keepers are due Tuesday March 15th, Noon ET:
- As currently constructed, you may keep no more than 3 prospects.
- You are only awarded your own prospect picks if you keep less than 3 prospects.
- If you traded away a prospect pick, you MUST keep less than 3 in order to fulfill the terms of the trade you made.

Pete is an example of this. He traded his 1st to Great One. He has decided to call up and renounce Jon Gray and Tyler Glasnow. Thus, he will get his 1st (which goes to GO) and his 2nd (which he can use for his purposes) round prospect pick and be able to fulfill his trade.

Please recognize the distinction here. Using Great One as an example - the ownership of Pete's pick (currently) has no bearing on his own prospect keepers. He has 3 prospects right now. To be awarded any of his own prospect picks, he must get down below 3. He is renouncing any rights to Alex Meyer in order to be awarded his 1st round pick.

The prospect keeper deadline is the only point in time you must be at 3 or less prospects. At 12:01pm next Tuesday, you can immediately make trades and exceed 3 prospects. You do not need to concern yourself with getting down to 3 (or less) until the following March.

Prospect Draft starts Wednesday March 16th, Noon ET.
- Prospect picks will be awarded at the keeper deadline and we have our draft here on the boards.
- Trades involving prospects and picks are wide open.
- At the conclusion of the draft, you may call them up to your roster if you so desire.

Supplmental Draft clock starts Monday March 21st, 9:00am ET.
- Our draft has usually been opened over the weekend for making picks off the clock.
- No one is required to do so.
- Trades involving players and picks are wide open
- Be it via trade or by calling up players from your prospect list, once you hit 23 players your draft is over.
- For example, I would be calling up Sano and Seager, and my 13.12 and 14.12 are basically nullified. I can still trade them - they are "live" until they come up -- but they will be skipped if I do not trade them.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contact me publicly or privately to go over any of the nuances.

250

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 19:03

248: The basics of having 9 keepers predates my participation in the league. The league founders wanted to create a 'dynasty'-type league that is this deep on purpose.

I personally would oppose a change of this nature but anything is up for discussion. Generally, managers interested in this league have sought out the challenge of building a roster within this structure.

While true blue hen has built an exceptionally powerful roster with a trove of valuable prospects and picks, considering the history of this league and the variety of managers who have won:

Previous Champions
2003 (tie) Ref and StL Cards
2004 Ref
2005 Ref
2006 Beastiemiked
2007 Twarpy
2008 Ref
2009 Peter N
2010 Species
2011 (tie) Species and blue hen
2012 Toral
2013 Wazaaap Guy
2014 blue hen
2015 blue hen

.......I don't think we have created a league where only a small handful of teams can win. The above looks like a fairly diverse history of winners to me (save for Ref's early dominance - he must have stacked the deck with weak managers to start....hahahahahaha)

251

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 19:23

<249> What can you do once this deadline passes?
- You can exceed 9 players from this point on
- You can do this by calling up players from your prospect list
- You can make trades of any kept players, prospects and picks

Reading this, it sounds like I can put all of my prospects, no matter how many I carried forward from last year, onto my MLB roster and just send them back down after the draft, picking up FAs to fill out my roster. Or is there a limit of just one prospect that you can do this with (i.e the 10th Keeper)?

252

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 20:10

251: Let's make sure we separate two common practices:

The call up AND renounce move

This is typically done right before the prospect draft. You have designated your 9 keepers, and now you are calling up someone from your prospect list (i.e. '10th keeper'). By renouncing them at the same time, they are removed from your prospect list.

Advantage: Opens up a new spot and you get a new prospect pick
Disadvantage: You lose their prospect rights forever. If you keep them going forward, it would be in your 9 keepers.

There is a risk there. If Corey Seager blows out his knee 2 days after I renounce him, that's just a tough break for me. I have renounced my rights to him as a prospect (and received the benefit of a new prospect pick) and would have to keep him on my roster all year to retain his rights.

Calling up a prospect still on the prospect list

Let's use Jose Abreu as an example from 2013. I draft him in the prospect draft and he is obviously the starting 1b for CHW. On April 1st I call up Abreu. I have to drop someone to the FA pool to make room.

Let's say Abreu tore his knee up before hitting 300 AB. I could send Abreu back down to the prospect list and keep him there the following year.

Keep in mind: you only get TWO callups and send-downs in the history of that player. So, it does NOT typically behoove anyone to call someone up for a weekend or 15 day DL stint of a starter they are replacing. It typically makes better sense to wait until they are up for good so you do not lose the ability to send them back down.

Another example: youngroman has Luis Severino. Severino got called up last July and after a couple of starts seemed to obviously belong in MLB. youngroman called him up and got the benefit of using his stats last year. Since Severino was UNDER 110 IP (and 40 games pitched), Severino was sent down (automatically by our rules) to the prospect list at the end of 2015. youngroman now has the benefit of using Severino as a '10th keeper' move this year.

253

mjd
ID: 21110120
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 21:08

So I assume that means I can trade for one of those extra p-draft picks since I only have 2 and would like 3.

Who has a p-pick to trade for a s-pick upgrade? Something at the tail end of the p-draft is preferred.

254

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 06, 2016, 21:17

Can you give an example of the draft pick trade and naming keepers? It sounds as if I could effectively trade away a draft pick but still keep 3 players from the way you are describing it. That just sounds bassackwards to me.

255

Bean
ID: 41052279
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 03:55

OK so if I understand you correctly, the 10th keeper is not a rule that restricts you to JUST ONE of the call up and renounce guys. Its what you call it, but it is not a restriction. You can have as many of these Call Up and Renounce players as you want with the CURRENT rules, this isn't a proposal???

256

Bean
ID: 41052279
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 04:03

Just one more thing. Write this all down in the OFFICIAL RULES please.

257

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 10:48

255: Yes

I have tweaked this section of the rules to try to better capture the language:

Timing of the Keeper Deadline, Prospect Draft and Supplemental Draft
Each March, as proposed by a Commissioner, the league hold the following events, in this order:

1) Keeper Deadline: all teams must designate their keepers. They may designate up to 9.
NOTE: At this time, once the Keeper Deadline has passed, managers may also call up prospects to their active roster. In this scenario, those prospects are separate from their 9 keepers.
ADDITIONALLY: Once the keeper deadline has passed, managers may exceed 9 players by trade.
2) Prospect Keeper Deadline: Managers designate their Prospect Keepers. They may designate up to 3.
3) Prospect draft picks are assigned and the Prospect Draft is commenced per our rules below.
4) The Supplemental Draft is completed.

258

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 11:00

254: In our current rules there is no way to keep more than 3 prospects.

The rule change I have put up for our consideration would allow you to do so. Let's use blue hen's team as an example. Currently he owns Moncada, Devers, Schwarber, Gallo and Kolek. He also owns Tosh's 1st and mjd's 2nd.

In our existing rules:
- He must get down to 3 or fewer prospects
- Owning the other 2 prospect picks has no bearing on that fact
- He has announced he is keeping Moncada and Devers (and calling up Gallo and Schwarber). This would allow him to be assigned his 1st round pick.
- If all of the above holds to our deadline, he would have his 1st, Tosh's 1st and mjd's 2nd.

If the new rule proposal were already in place:
- Since he owns the rights to 5 picks - his own 3 and the 2 from other managers - he would be able to keep all 5 of those prospects if he so desired.
- Him keeping 5 does not change the total limit of 60. Tosh and mjd have limited their options by trading away their picks.
- The rest of the mechanics would remain the same as we have now.

Does that help?

259

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 11:02

257: I further tweaked that section for (hopefully) better clarity:

ADDITIONALLY: Once the keeper deadline has passed, managers may exceed 9 or more players by trade.

260

Khahan
ID: 48222710
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 11:26

Got it on the # of prospects. 1 quick question about calling up to the active roster before the draft. I'm assuming when I renounce a prospect and call him up to the bigs before the draft I lose a draft pick? Presuming its the last available round I have?

261

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 11:32

260: Assuming you mean that you call up someone before the Supplemental Draft, the answer to your question is YES.

In my Jose Abreu example in post 252, if I recall correctly I still went ahead and made my draft pick......I then waited until the first day of the season before officially calling Abreu up. At that point I had to send someone to the waiver wire, like any other roster move.

Note this is separate from the Call up and Renounce move before the Prospect Draft. When I call up Sano and Seager to my roster after our 9 keepers, I will essentially be forfeiting my 13th and 14th round picks when they come up. Once you have 23 players on your roster, your draft is over.

262

Bean
ID: 41052279
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 12:35

<258> I don't like the rule as is, so, I vote NO, so it doesn't get any more lucrative for those who have assets to trade to carry their wealth over from year to year.

Viva La Resistance!

263

Species
ID: 150272712
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 13:16

262: Your dissenting opinion is noted. Although I think you are being completely shortsided. Your trumpeting against 'the rich' is akin to political posturing designed to garner no votes out of fear.

Keep in mind, the rule change would only go into effect for the 2017 prospect draft. Every single one of us starts with 9 keepers and 3 prospect slots here in 2016. Okay true, there have been some 2016 prospect picks that have changed hands, so I grant you the point that a few teams have an extra asset or two (but they gave something up in the past to get that asset - good for them).

So, given that, why do you assume that only "the rich" would have assets to trade for additional prospects and picks to leverage this rule? You, and every other team out there, would have the ability to trade for prospect and prospect pick assets. If anything, I sincerely believe that this rule offers more opportunity for rebuilding teams to reshape their rosters and get stars before they are stars (which is often the only way to ever acquire them).

I think we need some further opinions and viewpoints of this proposed change.

And........any other changes or tweaks? We only have a week before keepers.

264

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 07, 2016, 13:34

I'd be interested to get moving on the 232 proposal (calling up when he hits the limit), and we should do it before the p keeper deadline, since it will have impact on who could be drafted. I think we're close to being able to vote on that and on on 228 (keep more than 3 if you have more picks).

Assuming both would be for the 2017 season.

265

WG
ID: 552431321
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 16:03

My modest leftovers, in case anyone wants one:

Jacoby Ellsbury
Billy Burns
Alex Gordon
Bradley Zimmer
Shelby Miller
AJ Ramos
Santiago Casilla

266

Judy
ID: 35493114
Tue, Mar 08, 2016, 18:14

Well now, the Johnny Peralta injury sure screwed up my draft plans...
Good thing -- but sad for him -- that it happened now not after the draft..

267

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 09, 2016, 12:07

Also putting Troy Tulowitzki on the block. Primed for a big comeback season.

268

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 09, 2016, 14:16

Announcing three trades:

First, between Species and mjd:

mjd receives:
4.12
8.04

Species receives:
5.19
6.11

For those counting at home, mjd receives 27 slots of consideration. I receive 33 slots, but further back in the draft. I would imagine most managers would agree that, the higher you are in the draft, the more valuable it is to move up. At least that's how I view it.

Then......

WG receives:
5.19

Species receives:
9.19
AJ Ramos

Then......

WG sends that 5.19 (which was, ironically, his own) to darkside to complete this trade:

5-21-15 darkside receives WG's 5th for his 14th (Ramos)
Note: The trade will be technically completed 72 hours before the keeper deadline. The pick given up by WG does not have to be his own. It can be a pick from any manager. If WG does not have a pick in that round, the pick will be the next highest pick available WG owns.

I will remove that language and that trade will be considered completely consummated. Kind of funny that WG's 5th and AJ Ramos were tied to 2 separate trades over 2 seasons.

269

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 09, 2016, 14:22

Confirmed

270

WG
ID: 552431321
Wed, Mar 09, 2016, 14:28

Confirmed

271

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 09, 2016, 14:31

Considering WG didn't have a 3rd, 4th or 5th, that was an important move for him in order to finalize that darkside trade!

272

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 08:40

Looking to trade picks this year for next year in the supplemental. Would be looking for a 1 round upgrade on the picks. So for example, my 2016 3rd round pick for your 2nd round 2017 pick.

273

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 12:23

Trade Announcement:

bmd receives:
Alex Reyes
Species 1.12 prospect pick
Species 6.11

Species receives:
bmd 1.10 prospect pick
bmd 5.10

274

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 13:00

Confirmed.

275

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 17:13

Any way we can get an updated chart of all the picks?

276

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 09:26

Updated prospect draft grid

	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3
1	GreatOne	Tree	Jaydog
2	Jaydog	Nerfherders	mjd
3	Bean	Jaydog	Fosten
4	Tree	Judy	bmd
5	Nerfherders	Pete N.	Meatwads
6	bmd	blue hen	Species
7	GreatOne	Fosten	youngroman
8	mjd	bmd	darkside
9	Fosten	Meatwads	Tosh
10	Species	Species	WG
11	Meatwads	youngroman
12	bmd	darkside
13	youngroman	Tosh
14	darkside	Guru
15	slizz	Khahan
16	blue hen	WG
17	Guru
18	Khahan
19	WG
20	blue hen

277

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 09:28

updated supplemental draft grid

	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
1	Nerfherders	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean
2	youngroman	GreatOne	GreatOne	blue hen	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne
3	Jaydog	Species	Tree	Species	Tree	Tree	Judy
4	Bean	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
5	GreatOne	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
6	Tree	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy	Slizz	Judy
7	Judy	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.
8	Pete N.	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd
9	mjd	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten
10	Fosten	bmd	bmd	bmd	Species	bmd	bmd
11	bmd	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads	bmd	Meatwads
12	Meatwads	Species	Species	mjd	Bean	Nerfherders	WG
13	Species	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside
15	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz
16	Tosh	blue hen	Tosh	Tosh	Meatwads	Tosh	Tosh
17	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
18	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	GreatOne	Khahan
19	WG	WG	bmd	mjd	darkside	WG	WG
20	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen

	Round 8	Round 9	Round 10	Round 11	Round 12	Round 13	Round 14
1	Bean	Bean	Species	Bean	Bean	Bean	Bean
2	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	GreatOne	Khahan
3	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree	Tree
4	mjd	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders	Nerfherders
5	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog	Jaydog
6	bmd	Judy	Species	Judy	Judy	Judy	Judy
7	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.	Pete N.
8	mjd	mjd	mjd	mjd	WG	Species	Meatwads
9	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten	Fosten
10	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	bmd	WG	Judy
11	Meatwads	Meatwads	Tosh	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads	Meatwads
12	Species	Species	Tree	Tree	Tree	Species	Species
13	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman	youngroman
14	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	darkside	WG
15	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	slizz	Judy	slizz
16	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh	Tosh
17	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru	Guru
18	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan	Khahan
19	WG	Species	WG	WG	WG	WG	WG
20	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	blue hen	Tosh	GreatOne

278

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:02

Update to the stupid Moustakas trade, to make sure we're within the rules.

Moustakas is removed from the Moncada deal. The rest of the Moncada deal stays as is, and moves ahead after keepers.

Trade Announcement

BH receives: 6.18
GO receives: 6.20 and Moustakas

GO to confirm.

279

GO
ID: 2111117
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:20

Didn't realize we weren't in compliance.
Agreed.

I also add a Grotto pizza for BH.

280

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:31

Ok........going back to the rule change suggestion in post 232. The basics of the idea are:

- Any prospect who exceeds limits will be removed from the prospect list.
- The owner of that prospect has 7 days to call up that prospect before he is a free agent to anyone.

All of that is simple enough. But as Bean and Tree pointed out, we need very specific language so that managers know exactly when said prospect is available for pick up. Ultimately I would strongly prefer to put that player on waivers, but as best I can tell ESPN's site does not have the ability to allow me to do that. So, some things to discuss:

1) Do we 'start' the 7 day process with an announcement on the board? i.e.: "Michael Taylor has exceeded prospect limits effective April xx. youngroman has until 12:00am ET on Monday April xx to call him up or he is a free agent."

Pros:
- No confusion
- Everyone knows

Cons:
- Everyone knows. No benefit to those paying attention.

If we considered this, we could do a 'blind waiver claim' process, where anyone who wants to put in a waiver claim does so via email to the Commissioner. The Commish applies the waiver order on the ESPN site as of the date that prospect becomes a free agent, and voila', problem solved. I have the ability on the site to adjust waiver priority accordingly.

Pro: Waivers is an equalizer
Everyone has an opportunity

Con: A modest pain in the arse for me
No advantage to the active managers paying attention (as above)

2) We craft specific language that dictates precisely when a player falling under this rule is then available to any team off of the FA wire. Something like:

- On the very day that the player exceeds the limits, the manager who owns that player on the prospect list has 7 full days to call up that player before they become a free agent.
- Example: JP Crawford exceeds limits during his game on a Wednesday. WG has until 11:59pm ET of the following Wednesday to claim him. If he goes unclaimed by WG at 12:00am ET Thursday, Crawford is now officially a free agent.

I think the thought of getting prospects who have exceeded limits OFF of the prospect list is universally supported. Now it is a matter of how.

Thoughts on the 2 ideas above? Any better ideas?

281

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 11:35

Trade Announcement:

Species receives:
slizz 14.15
slizz 9.15

slizz receives:
Species 13.08
Species 9.19

282

Bean
ID: 41052279
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 12:47

<280> Another CON is that the commish has to constantly check the eligibility of all prospects.
Like I said we use this rule in the Poli League. The reality is that only the predators of the league actually like the rule. Many others would prefer it went away, but there has been no groundswell for it.

I had to refine the rule a bit just so the rule lawyers didn't try to game it to their advantage (i.e definition of 7 days, what to do at the end of the season).

Here is the rule we use in the Poli League:

Prospects may be called up in-season and can be sent back and forth to prospect list until they meet the prospect thresholds.
Prospects may be called up or sent down anytime in-season or off-season prior to keeper declaration. If called up and made an MLB keeper, prospects will lose their prospect status.
If you drop them after they meet the threshold, any team is eligible to add them.
If they reach the threshold while not on the active roster you must call them up within 7 days or lose their rights. So, for example, if an unrostered player exceeds the threshold on a game that started on a Monday, and the current owner fails to promote him, he would become a Free Agent at 12:00:01 AM US Pacific Daylight Savings Time on the following Monday.
If a prospect reaches the limit within 7 days of regular season end, they can only be kept as a regular keeper.

The simplest answer to prospect eligibility is to only apply the threshold at the time of keeper declaration or drop from the major league roster. But who likes the KISS principle, right?

283

Bean
ID: 41052279
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 12:58

Remarkable, when the clock strikes midnight, how quickly a prospect can get picked up by a predatory manager and lost by an inattentive manager. It can have the same outcome as an unbalanced sucker trade, and we all like those right?

284

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 13:24

Inattentive managers have no place in G20.

And predatory managers (I call them "managers who want to win") should indeed want to pick up players who can help them, whenever they are available.

Bean, are you saying that if I have Joey Gallo as a prospect while he's hitting 40 homers this year, that I should be allowed to keep him on the waiver wire and use the roster spot for another player?

285

Tree
ID: 211133217
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 13:39

Remarkable, when the clock strikes midnight, how quickly a prospect can get picked up by a predatory manager and lost by an inattentive manager.

it's hardly predatory.

i mean no disrespect to anyone, but in Poli, i follow my prospects, as well as a few key prospects of other owners. i pay attention as best as my time allows.

i know when they're getting close to the threshold because i'm paying attention. as a result, i know when they go over, and make moves accordingly to either prevent losing someone i don't want to lose, or to gain someone i covet.

there are rules in place, and everyone knows them. following the rules isn't predatory by any means.

286

Khahan
ID: 312341114
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 15:43

#280 - Starting the day after a prospect exceeds the maximum threshold a manager has 7 calendar days to add him to the roster or that player goes to waivers.

Example:
On april 1 joe blow has his 151st at-bat. April 2 is day 1, april 3rd is day 2 etc. On april 8 the manager has done nothing so he goes to waivers at midnight. If he clears waivers he is a FA up for grabs.

For getting him on waivers can a commish simply pick up him and drop him to start the waiver process?

287

Bmd
ID: 825715
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 20:07

I think they should be on waivers 100%.

288

GO
ID: 47227520
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 20:43

7 days and then to waivers seems really good.

289

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 21:00

286: No. ESPN has it set that if you pick up and drop someone immediately they are still a FA.

I don't believe I have a way to place them on waivers.

290

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Fri, Mar 11, 2016, 22:44

Eligibility question here: before today Arod was listed as dh only. Now suddenly he's listed as 3rd/DH. Is he actually 3rd base eligible in espn leagues in 2016? He had 2 games started and only 8 at-bats which I dont believe qualifies him. Buts right there next to his name in multiple spots.

291

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 11:25

I don't see that anywhere...

292

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 11:36

He's just listed as a DH again.

293

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 13:05

<284> I see no problem with it BH as long as he is a prospect. There is nothing in the written rules that would prevent it.

As long as we all play with the same set of rules, the rules are properly documented, and we all understand them along with all of their nuances, and have agreed that these are the rules by which we are obliged to play, and they are enforced consistently without subjective interpretation....why wouldn't you be allowed to do it?

294

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 13:15

<285> You think my characterization of predatory is too harsh? I know you know of what I speak.

Like I said, the rule encourages the behavior, if that's the kind of league you want, you vote according to your likes. If it is not the kind of league you like, you vote according to your likes.

It is an assault on my sense of fair play and empathy that I don't constantly look to snag a great player from someone when they aren't looking. That the rule promotes it, is why I think it should not exist.

295

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 13:58

It is an assault on my sense of fair play and empathy that I don't constantly look to snag a great player from someone when they aren't looking.

if you're not looking at a team with daily line up changes for over a week, you're probably in the wrong league.

296

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 18:34

Ok, so lets list all of the people in this league that don't belong Tree. Let's name names...c'mon you can do it.

Nevermind,the minimum GP/IP will root them out fairly well on its own.

If everyone is paying attention, then there is no value in this rule, because nobody will leave a prospect out there. So why have a rule like this?

297

Bmd
ID: 825715
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 21:38

The main point of the rule is to force managers to pick up their prospects when they reach their limits. I'm pretty sure someone in the league would give a manager the heads up to pick up their prospect or they lose him. 7 days is a long time plus it's not like the player suddenly gained 100+ at bats in a weekend. They would've already acquired a lot of playing time so the manager should be perfectly aware that their prospect could be approaching the limit soon.

Personally, I would like a rule that states if your prospect is in the majors you have 7 days to put him on your roster. That doesn't seem like it would have any chance of passing though.

298

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 22:21

I'm pretty sure someone in the league would give a manager the heads up to pick up their prospect or they lose him.

I wouldn't bet on that.

299

GO
ID: 47227520
Sat, Mar 12, 2016, 23:07

I may still pickup from leftovers so I'm hanging in. Anyone who has decent leftovers -- email the names and attach the rounds we'd swap with the names.

Also... I'm looking to trade top supplemental picks from this year for picks in the next 2 drafts or prospect picks.

300

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 00:13

296 - the 2015 season proved managers will leave players out there.

301

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 05:20

300 - And I say so what if a player isn't called up, why does he need to be, who is it hurting that the guy isn't available?

You really want people to lose their players to the guy who is just sitting there waiting to pounce? Because that is EXACTLY what will happen if this rule is inacted. And all the other members will lose out to what....skill? Really?

302

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 10:35

301 - last year there were a handful of prospects who were active, every day players that were not called up. They were left on the WW and another player was taken. So every other manager was locked out of that prospect AND the player called up in that prospects place. It effectively gave managers an extra roster spot to play with and screwed with who was available to all other managers. Which is more predatory?

303

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 12:28

Bean, I don't think we've ever had sneaky or underhanded stuff like that in G20. In fact, we've reversed trades because one manager misinterpreted a rule. And I remember plenty of times where someone posted when a prospect was approaching a limit.

No one is out to get you.

304

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 12:44

<303> BH, I am not concerned about me and my roster. What I don't want to see is predators benefitting from new rules. The louder you protest my protest, the more you indict yourself.

305

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 12:46

i'm still baffled by the concept that a 7+ day waiting period is considered pouncing.

306

Bean
ID: 41052279
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 13:00

Again, why do you need to allow it at all, no matter how many days you give as a grace period.

What is broken that needs fixing? Everyone is allowed three prospects, how is keeping them on your prospect roster a slight to anyone? You all have got it in your head that keeping prospects down on the farm is somehow wrong...it isn't. In fact I am in many leagues with much simpler rules that I am sure all of the managers in it would just shake their heads at you saying "what are they trying to accomplish?"

Your proposal is just further complicating a league which already has too many nuanced undocumented rules. The beneficiary will only be predators, nobody else will benefit from this.

The BS complaints that there aren't enough players to fill out your roster is just that BS. BH has no problem at all finding adequate players to stream, meanwhile very few people come close to the max GP/IP. You all are just coveting other peoples players and would like to create rules so that you can be authorized to take them. It isn't skill, but yet you think it should be acceptable practice?

307

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 13:57

First in 302 I dont mean to imply anybody did anything wrong last year. BH acted within the rules and I dont hold anything against him for it.

Second - I do think the rule simply makes sense. A prospect is on your prospect list until he's no longer a prospect. When he's no longer a prospet he doesn't qualify to be protected by the prospect list

Third - I understand Bean has a different opinion on this. I doubt at this point any of us will convince him to change his mind and I doubt he'll convince any of us to change our mind.

308

Species
ID: 11730119
Sun, Mar 13, 2016, 17:17

Please keep in mind that you must note your keepers in ESPN. The following teams have yet to do so (although many have posted their keepers in our keeper thread):

Nerfherders
mjd
Bean
WG
slizz
Jaydog
darkside
bmd
Fosten
blue hen
Tree

310

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 11:36

Trade announcement

Slizz trades
4.15

WG trades

Jacoby Ellsbury
10.19

311

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 11:41

WG gets Fosten's 7th rounder
Fosten gets Shelby Miller and WG's 11th rounder

312

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 11:47

Anyone want Billy Burns for cheap? Potential 40 SB!!

313

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 11:52

Way to keep me on my toes at the last minute!

Trades upheld. Keepers updated.

314

Bmd
ID: 825715
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 11:57

Thanks to whoever marked my keepers!

315

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:06

Keepers are final, and ESPN has already processed them.....great job ESPN (for once!).

You can now review the FA list to start your Supplemental Draft queues. I will also start placing the prospect callups onto their respective teams to clear them off of the FA list.

Prospect keepers are final tomorrow at Noon. Then we finalize the Prospect Draft grid (and a few trades) and start the Prospect Draft on Wednesday. It's like G20 Christmas!

316

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:06

Trade Announcement:

Species receives:

Mark Melancon

Meatwads receives:

Species' 2nd round Prospect Pick

317

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:12

Prospect callups are official tomorrow, right? 10th keepers, I mean.

318

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:37

Ok, I have "entered our offline draft results". For those new to our Supplemental Draft process, we have a manual work-around that affords us the tools necessary to complete a good offline draft:

1) After keepers, we basically enter in nothing for our offline draft.

Although in this case what I did was enter in all of the '10th keepers' / prospect call ups (even though they aren't final - more on that in a sec).

2) This gives us a working FA list from which we can use as an additional tool while conducting our draft on Draftime.

We use draftime over anything else due to its superior emailing/queue tools.

3) When you make a pick on Draftime, you will pick up your player off the FA list on ESPN. This gives drafters a constant update on who is available at what position.

4) When the Supplemental Draft is over, we re-enter the ENTIRE results - keepers, callups and supplemental draft - so we can then put the remaining player universe on waivers.

As noted above, I have already assigned each team's prospect callups to their team. 317: Correct, prospect callups are not official until tomorrow at Noon. Any of these can be changed and I will have to do the manual addition or deletion, as appropriate.

319

Meatwads
ID: 181121414
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:38

#316 - Trade confirmed.

1. Any of my s-draft picks are available for anyone who wants to move up in the draft.

2. I'm still open to moving more keepers for the right price.

3. I'm mostly interested in prospect picks, any time in the next few seasons but am open to player swaps as well.

4. Also willing to package several keepers for a mega stud if someone wants to buy a title.

The Meatwads are in full blown rebuild mode and so if you like anyone I have, feel free to reach out. Thanks.

320

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:45

So I gather you are not going to add (non-called up) prospects to the ESPN rosters during the draft?

How about at Draftime? Will prospects be added to rosters as additional keepers to prevent them from being drafted?

321

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:46

...or will you just remove prospects from the player list at Draftime?

322

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 12:50

Guru - I will remove all the prospects on the prospect list (and the 10th keepers) from the available player list on Draftime.

That is the one aspect of ESPN that I haven't figured out a workaround for. BUT, at least, since Draftime is our official source for the Supplemental Draft, when an owner sees a prospect in ESPN and tries to draft them in Draftime, they are foiled. It's a mild annoyance to have them populate ESPN........but them's the breaks.

323

Bmd
ID: 825715
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 14:52

I mentioned it earlier but Beltre and Blackmon are available. Rebuilding so looking for youth, prospect picks or supp picks for 2017+.

324

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Mar 14, 2016, 16:00

Anyone interested in prospect JP Crawford? Open to moving in right deal. Let me know if interested. Thanks.

325

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 12:34

2016 dues notice

Contributions to the prize pool will again be $15 per head. All returning members of the league are participants in the prize pool, and are required to continue each year.

The three new members (Khahan, Fosten, and Tree) have a chance to defer a decision on participation in the prize pool for one year. If they elect to contribute this year, then they are obligated to continue to participate each year. If they choose to opt out for this year, then next preseason they must make a binding decision for 2017 and beyond.

The top six teams are awarded prizes. The top prize is typically $100, grading down to $15 for sixth place. The actual prizes each year, however, are constrained by the overall size of the pool, so if the pool is smaller this year, then awards may be slightly reduced.

In addition to the prize pool, we typically collect $2 dues each year to cover any league costs. These costs include the fee for Draftime, plus the cost of a trophy for the league championship. This year, there are already ample funds available in the dues fund, so there will be no $2 assessment this year.

So, the total amount to be paid is $15. If you are sending this via Paypal, please send it to davehall@rotoguru2.com, and designate it as "I’m sending money to family or friends." This should eliminate any fees charged. In the message simply say G20 dues.

If you are sending by check, make it payable to me and mail it to the address at the bottom of this page: http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html

Blue hen, Species, Slizz, and Youngroman each have enough money on account to cover their $15.

Bean has already paid.

BMD has $7.50 on account, so he only owes $7.50.

I believe everyone else owes the full $15. If you think you have funds on account that I may have overlooked, please ask.

Please send in your dues payment as soon as possible. Let’s make April 1st the deadline. I’ll reserve the right to start harassing after that date.

326

Species
ID: 11730119
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 13:27

The Prospect Keeper Deadline has passed. I have updated all of the prospects in the Constitution as follows (please check for accuracy):

Bean: 34.09 Nick Gordon, SS, MIN; 35.02 Raul Mondesi, SS, KC
bmd: 34.03 Matt Olson, 1b, OAK
Blue Hen: Rafael Devers, 3b, BOS;
Darkside:
Meatwads:
Great One: 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 33.01 Yoan Moncada, 2b, BOS; 34.01 Greg Bird, 1b, NYY
Guru: 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC
Jaydog: 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT; 33.19 Dilson Herrera, 2b, NYM
Judy: 33.13 Robert Stephenson, SP, CIN
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel, SP, PHI;
Nerfherders: 30.07 Clint Frazier, OF, CLE
Peter N: 33.03 Hunter Harvey, SP, BAL
Tree: 32.05 Julio Urias, P, LAD;
Fosten: 34.05 Trea Turner, SS, WAS/SD
Slizz: 30.17 Lucas Gioloto, P, WAS; 33.05 Aaron Judge, OF, NYY
Species:
Khahan: 35.03 Josh Bell, OF, PIT
Tosh: 23.01 Dylan Bundy,P,BAL;
wg: 32.03 JP Crawford, SS, PHI;
youngroman:

As of this moment, teams may now exceed three prospects by trade. The next time a team must be down to 3 (or fewer) prospects is March 2017.

The blue hen / Great One Yoan Moncada trade is now official.

All 20 teams got their first round pick (or traded them). 16 teams got their second round pick and 5 teams got their third round pick as well.

I will work on the draft thread and include an alphabetical listing of all of the kept prospects. I will also reference the call-ups as well as prospects that would normally be eligible that were listed in teams' 9 keepers (i.e. Arcia, Brinson, etc)

Prospect draft clock starts tomorrow at Noon.

327

mjd
ID: 21110120
Tue, Mar 15, 2016, 19:50

OK all who inquired about Heyward and/or Polanco (or anyone else on my team).

The market is open.

I'm re-rebuilding, so prospects/p-picks, this year or next.

328

darkside
ID: 81492120
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 11:57

I feel like every year I wonder if there's an easy way to get all the Free Agents into a spreadsheet. I don't see any sort of download option and copying and pasting is stupidly time consuming. Am I missing something? Has anyone already done it and have any interest in saving me the time? Thanks and happy drafting!

329

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 12:13

Folks, I'm up in the P draft, but it might be a while. Also, may be interested in trading this pick (1.07). Let me know.

330

Species
ID: 11730119
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 12:52

Okay, just be cognizant of:

There will be a 3 hour per pick clock and a 4 hour cumulative clock to draft

331

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 13:38

Pending trade(s) on 1.08

332

Meatwads
ID: 181121414
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 14:36

Michael Pineda and Hector Olivera are available for a prospect pick if anyone wants them more than their pick at some point. Yu Darvish is also available but at a higher cost than one pick upgrade. Interested in discussing deals in general during the p-draft (and then the s-draft immediately afterwards)

333

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 15:36

Sorry for the delay.

Lots of moving parts.

334

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 15:53

Better hurry, you have 20 minutes...

335

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 16:19

Again apologies. Emails sent

336

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 16:37

No problem here. We are moving fast. I just didn't want you working on a deal and then have your time expire and get skipped.

337

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 17:29

Trade Announcement

Slizz gets

Gregory Polanco, Pit OF
Madison Bumgarner, SF SP

mjd gets Lucas Giolito
p-pick 1.15 2016
last rd p-pick 2017
2016 s-picks 12.15, 14.15 (last 2)

Begin the critique!

338

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 17:33

Confirmed!

339

Species
ID: 11730119
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 17:40

HUGE!

Ballsy.

Have to let it settle.....

340

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 17:43

FYI it will be picks:

13.08 (mjd gets his original back via species trade with me)
12.15

341

Species
ID: 11730119
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 18:27

My analysis:

For slizz, it's ALL IN baby. Is he doing it with AA or more of a J10 suited??

I LOVE the 2016 value for slizz, obviously. Bumgarner is a horse at 6-5, 250 lbs of country strong and only turns 27 in August. He is still completely in his prime, so slizz is buying at least 4 years of ace production. Bumgarner has never missed throwing 200+ innings in his 5 full major league seasons. He has a lifetime 3.04 ERA and 1.11 WHIP - but in the last 3 years he has been below 3.00 ERA and his highest WHIP is 1.09. In the past the only blemish on him might be his lack of a top tier strikeout rate. Well, he fixed that in 2015 with a 9.65 K/9.

Polanco is trying to come into his own. I remember being pissed out missing out on him in the Prospect Draft. He only hit .256 last year (.320 OBP), although he had 27 steals. Will Polanco blossom into that 20 HR, 30 SB guy many of us thought? Remains to be seen.

mjd gets the best pitching prospect in the minors in Giolito. Also a big horse, Giolito has plus plus pitches in his fastball and curve ball and a developing changeup. Soon after he was drafted, he had Tommy John surgery. Since then, he has been a beast and mowed down all of the competition in front of him. He probably has the stuff to be in the majors right now.......but I would expect a midseason callup if Washington is in the hunt.

mjd also gets 2 valuable prospect picks to help his rebuild.

My take: I would rather be in slizz' corner. He gave up a possible Roger Clemens but he essentially gets a CURRENT Clemens-like guy in Bumgarner who is still only 26 years old. If Polanco blossoms then it is a big win for him.

Looking at it from mjd's point of view, he understood he needed to do something big to drastic (which I applaud), but I wonder if he gave up the wrong assets (inasmuch as they are both young guys already). That said, if he needs 2 or even 3 years for his rebuild, it is probably more valuable for him to have a 23 year old Giolito in his prime (plus the other 2 prospects if he can hit on those picks) than a 30 year old Bumgarner. So.....it will be up to him to hit on these prospect picks to tilt this trade in his favor.

Either way, I love the cajones on both sides!

342

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 19:01

MadBum was my first prospect of the few good ones I have had including maybe Polanco.

I'd rather be slizz, too. He's right in the fray of some good looking teams, even before the draft.

Though I never thought he'd trade Giolito. Him neither.

So go big or go home.

343

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 22:45

Forgot to mention -- clock is off from 12:00am ET to 9:00am ET.

344

Tree
ID: 211133217
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 10:07

i almost took Bregman in the first round, and after i while i started thinking he would fall to me in the second...

sooooo close...

345

Bean
ID: 41052279
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 10:23

<337> The deal is so one sided. Two proven players for bunch of unproven, or unpicked stuff. If this is what you guys consider fair trade in this league, its no wonder the competitive balance is so messed up.

Bumgarner is currently ranked #27 in one Yahoo League I am in and was #16 based on last year's stats. This isn't the best, its just the first one I looked at.

Polanco is currently ranked #88 and was #130

How can picks and a prospect be worth all that?

346

Khahan
ID: 33261710
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 11:06

Don't feel too bad Tree, AJ Reed was #2 on my list (swanson 1st), not that I honestly expected either to fall to me.

And I'm scratching my head like Bean is at the trade.

347

Khahan
ID: 352451710
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 11:45

Also I have to ask - why is the prospect draft listed as 36.01 36.02 etc? Where did the 36 come from?

348

Species
ID: 11730119
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 12:09

347: We basically have kept a running tally of prospect draft pick rounds over the years. Three rounds per year - so this appears to be the 13th season of the prospect draft. I suppose it isn't that important, but it is a tiny bit interesting to see how long certain prospects have been held by their managers.

I believe Sano was in the 21st round when he was picked. At the top of constitution it outlines what years the rounds correlate to -- so Sano was taken in 2011 and is just coming off the prospect list now!!!

349

Species
ID: 11730119
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 12:33

345 / 346: I personally would not have made that trade from mjd's perspective - I think he could have gotten more value out of those players. There is absolutely no doubt that slizz receives a lot of 2016 value.

That said, when we have big trades in this league, it never ceases to amaze me how often the reaction towards one side of the trade ends up being wrong a year or two later.

I see mjd's perspective. He does not have the horses for a top-5 finish........why not go the way Atlanta and Philly are right now? Why wallow in 13th or 14th when you can tear it down and shoot for 2018?

I like Gregory Polanco and this could be a breakout year for him. If that's the case, then almost no matter what Giolito and Aiken do it would be a disaster. But if Polanco flames out and is not even a keeper (i.e. 15 HR, 15 SB, mediocre OBP).......and Giolito is the next Matt Harvey.......and Aiken turns into Cole Hamels....mjd could be ready with a retooled roster in two years. Instead of a 29/30 year old Bumgarner, he has two 22/23 year old aces.

I agree that is a lot of "ifs" -- but that's on each manager to consider when they make a big trade.

350

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 12:57

Sorry about that. In a long line of nicely bolded prospect picks the one that wasn't was the one I didn't see.

351

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 13:17

McMahon would have been a good pick. I'd have taken him at 36.16 if he'd still been there.

As someone who has traded away a lot of talented players, I can attest to the fact that trades often look different in retrospect. Can I have Anthony Rizzo, Jake Arrieta, and Giancarlo Stanton back, please?

Love this move for Slizz. He says he's all in on 2016. If that's the case, I'm looking forward to when he trades one of his under 25 infielders or his 23 year old pitcher. Or even the 24 year old outfielder he just acquired.

Either way, good move for Slizz.

As for MJD, he just got the best pitching prospect in baseball, who could debut this year and be a spectacular 10th keeper in 2017. Plus he got prospect picks, which appear to be very valuable in this league. If this is a teardown, it should be a pretty awesome one.

Advantage Slizz, but talk to me in 5 years.

352

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 17:03

Curious what people's interest level was for Shohei Otani in the prospect draft. While he is perhaps one of the top 15-20 pitchers in the world, with the new posting rules from Japan limiting posting fees to $20 million, there is no financial incentive for Hokkaido to post him. Their ONLY possible motivation would be to respect Otani's wish to go to MLB to prove himself against the best competition.

Given that, while talent-wise he would have been a top 3 pick in this draft, he could be 5 or 6 years away from being posted, I was only going to be tempted to draft him with my 3rd round pick as a 'lottery ticket' for the upside for a year or two. I seriously doubt I would hold him for years......

Curious as to youngroman's perspective, and where the rest of the managers had him on their board.

353

Bean
ID: 41052279
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 17:58

<349> Yeah if mjd is real lucky Giolito could beat out Roarke for the starting rotation. And if he is lottery lucky, Giolito could be the next Madison Bumgarner.....wait!

354

Slizz
ID: 52001222
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 18:05

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Slizz gives

Adam Jones, OF, BAL
Aaron Judge, OF, NYY (P)

Tree gives

Yasiel Puig, OF, LAS

As a result, I have 0 prospects. All in baby...

355

Tree
ID: 211133217
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 18:06

with this trade, we agreed that Sliz wins in 2016, and i win in 2017.

356

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 18:13

Otani was not even on my radar. To be honest the amateur players that are about to be drafted in June are very much more on my radar than anyone currently playing in Japan and may never come over here. But, alas, I cannot draft those players.

357

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 18:51

My view on Otani:
He will go to the US at some point. the question is when. there were already serious talks in 2012 if he comes over back then and he decided to stay in Japan. it is now 2016 and the talks will heat up every future off-season. all recently posted players played 6 or 7 seasons in Japan. based on that my expectation is that he will play in MLB no later than 2019. he will be 24 at that time, which is not much older than many other players that get their first MLB action. additionally he may make a nice trade chip if I don't want to wait until he arrives. for me it is worth the gamble.

358

Bmd
ID: 825715
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 20:43

For those all in I have Blackmon and Beltre ready to play for a contender.

359

Bmd
ID: 825715
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 20:54

Also, please don't make fun of me if and when I give away Beltre and/or Blackmon. I understand where MJD is coming from. He got an offer he liked and took it. If you aren't first you are last.

360

GO
ID: 432151720
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 21:15

I have confirmed with my GM that Dickerson has entered trade discussions as well.

361

darkside
ID: 81492120
Thu, Mar 17, 2016, 23:14

Heading to bed. I'll wrap up the draft in the morning.

362

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 10:01

Blue Hen's Prospect Draft Review

The prospect draft is one of the best parts of the year in G20. It really shapes the direction of our franchises for years to come. I've been lucky in past prospect drafts to get Eric Hosmer, Giancarlo Stanton, Shelby Miller, Dellin Betances, Trevor Rosenthal, Joey Gallo, and Rafael Devers, plus David Price as an inherited prospect. To be fair, I've also had my share of Vic Blacks.

Here are my thoughts on the 2016 Prospect Draft, in bullet(ish) form.

- Number of players on my scouting list: 33
- Number of players on the list who weren't taken: 10
- Highest rated non-taken players: Ian Happ and Kyle Tucker
- Taken, but not on my list: 14 total, Nick Williams, Brady Aiken, Sean Newcomb, Tim Anderson, Roman Quinn, Cody Bellinger, Archie Bradley, Tyler Stephenson, Lucious Fox, Cody Reed, Anthony Alford, Eddy Julio Martinez, Aaron Altherr, Michael Fulmer
- Highest rated late pick: Francis Martes
- Highest rated early pick: Andrew Benintendi (also Franklin Barreto)
- Highest rated middle pick: Gleyber Torres and Alex Bregman
- Best draft: BMD
- Favorite pick of my own: Bobby Bradley

Other notes:
- I had Bradley 6th on my board, right behind AJ Reed. I didn't think anyone would have him on my radar, but I later found out that at least two managers were looking at him.
- I purposely traded for the #7 pick with the intent to get Berrios or Benintendi in that spot. I guess that worked out.
- I now have two pitchers named Jose that are likely 10th keepers for 2017.
- Two guys were taken that I almost took over Tyler Kolek last year: Jose Berrios and Ryan McMahon.
- 100% of these guys are younger than me.

363

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 16:29

Haha. 99.81% of all potential major leaguers are younger than me. For the record, that's 2 players out of 1049 on my list who are older. Can you guess which two?

364

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 17:02

Indeed, another excited G20 prospect draft.

Once the top tier guys are gone, it always fascinates me to see where teams go. Do they:

- Go for the medium/high floor, no/low upside guys with ML jobs either now or this year?
- Get major league ready foreigners whose projection is a serious guess?
- Go super long term on young internationals / high school draftees?
- Go high upside, high risk and hope to hit the jackpot?
- Everywhere in between.

I liked what Meatwads did. Some current value and some nice long term value. bmd had 2 really strong picks.....but blue hen is the winner. Great treasure trove of prospects. The 'problem' I see for him is fitting 3 of them under the limit next year. Berrios will likely exceed limits......will DeLeon be ready to be a '10th keeper'?

365

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 17:37

You may have noticed I have opened the draft. Part of that was because I am pretty busy tonight and tomorrow and wanted to get it done......but also this is a time to take stock in your keepers and picks and also to see that trades have been accounted for properly! I try hard to be accurate, but when you stare at the Draftime trade and keeper screens for a couple of hours entering every keeper and trade, there is a decent chance I have made an error.

There is no requirement to make any picks. The clock will start Monday with our usual 3 hours per pick clock.

Some reminders / rules about our Supplemental Draft:

1) Draftime is a tool to accommodate our draft process due to its strong in-draft tools (queues, emails, etc). But it is not designed to handle your 10th keepers and post-keeper trades.

Point being - don't think of Draftime as the tool to manage your roster. I cannot account for 10th keepers and post-keeper trades into draftime (from the perspective of seeing them on your Draft Grid, for example). ESPN is a better way to check your roster for completeness as we navigate the draft.

2) Draftime is accurate right now in terms of "removing" from the draft pool all of the prospects on our prospect list as well as the 10th keepers. Please note: without notice, Draftime will add new names to the pool. So, just because Nick Williams isn't in there now, he could be added between now and before our draft is completed and I might miss it. Of players in our 9 keepers, both Alex Reyes and Lewis Brinson (as of this writing) are not in the Draftime database.

So, in terms of prospects, our prospect list and 10th keeper declarations take precedence over a name being shown available in Draftime that shouldn't be there. It is every manager's responsibility to check those lists if there is any doubt about a player's availability. If you make an incorrect pick, the draft moves on and you can correct it at any time.

3) All players are now free agents in ESPN. So, when you draft a player, it is your responsibility to pick up that player in ESPN! Some day I am going to develop my own Kangaroo Court penalty system and count how many managers don't pick up their players. Be a team player! You have a phone!! Don't be a lazy ass!!! I am going to name names, dammit.

Using the ESPN list as a way to gauge what players are available is an invaluable tool for our draft. Sure we all have a variety of lists we refer to, but having ESPN right there is important.

Unfortunately, while I have placed all of the '10th keepers' on their respective teams, there is no easy way to filter our prospect list out of the ESPN available free agents. I know this is a source of consternation, but we work with what we have.

Please note: to be eligible to be drafted in our Supplemental Draft, our rules dictate that the player must be in the ESPN list of Free Agent players. So, there could be a name that shows available in Draftime that is NOT in the ESPN FA list. I'm not sure that has ever happened, but I assume it is possible.

4) Please be aware that managers will forget to pick up players and they will show available in ESPN.........but when you go to Draftime they show unavailable. Nothing we can do about that.

5) Please post any in-draft pick trades ASAP. We have 4 managers with Admin privileges in Draftime to accommodate this exact need. I am in meetings or traveling often so I cannot be the sole person to administer this.

Please post here or contact me privately with any questions. Good luck to you all, and happy drafting!!

366

Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 17:42

All ten on my list were gone and I had to re-research the prospect list...I really thought I had some gems no one else would take...

Sigh.

367

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 17:45

Jaydog should have Kyle Zimmer as a 10th keeper. Not sure how to fix this in Draftime now.

368

Bean
ID: 41052279
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 18:08

I think you can just mark him unavailable

369

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 18:18

367 -- Thanks for that. Yes, as Bean noted, I have marked him as unavailable.

370

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 18:30

I also just removed the following (same reason):

Dalton Pompey (mjd)
Nomar Mazara (Khahan)

371

Judy
ID: 35493114
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 21:00

All ten on my list were gone and I had to re-research the prospect list...I really thought I had some gems no one else would take...

Sigh.

372

GO
ID: 2221821
Fri, Mar 18, 2016, 22:02

Picking by 10:30. Email me if you want this pick. I'd trade down or out entirely to next year etc.

373

WG
ID: 552431321
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 00:24

WG gets
Randall Grichuk
2016 5 supp
2018 9 supp

GO gets
2nd 2017 prospect
2016 last 2 supp
2018 5 supp

374

GO
ID: 2111117
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 07:23

Confirmed. Can we move over Grichuk on Draftime?

375

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 10:27

I just processed the trade on Draftime.

376

mjd
ID: 21110120
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 10:46

I have interested parties in this pick. Trying to hash out the details.

Noon deadline.

377

Meatwads
ID: 2020221
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 13:39

Pick 1.12 is on the trade block. Anyone interested reach out to me.

378

Bmd
ID: 825715
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 15:06

Current pick for sale. 1 hour deadline. Looking for 2017 1st rounder plus a little more.

379

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 15:24

Sent you an email bmd

380

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 15:59

Trade Announcement
BMD receives:
2017 1st round s-draft pick
2017 2nd round s-draft pick

Pete receives:
Adrian Beltre
2016 3rd round s-draft pick

BMD to confirm.

381

Bmd
ID: 825715
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 16:26

Confirm

382

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 17:44

Adam Wainwright and Adam Jones are both available.

i'm making no bones about building for the future, so young upside players and prospects are what i'm interested in.

383

Tree
ID: 211133217
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 19:12

email addresses always help.

384

Bmd
ID: 825715
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 19:41

It was not mentioned in our talks but Petes trade with me includes our last round picks to even out the trades. So I get his last two picks this year and he gets my last two rounds next year. Pete can confirm or say no if that's not okay.

385

Judy
ID: 35493114
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 20:13

Whoever added Bruce to my team, thanks.

386

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Mar 19, 2016, 23:54

Maybe I should have pushed some pre-draft trades a little harder. Two of my leftovers went in the top-10 (1.04 & 1.10)

387

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 00:27

284 - confirmed

388

Jaydog
ID: 30236207
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 08:36

Taking offers on David Ortiz... interested in youth, and/or draft picks...

389

Bmd
ID: 825715
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 11:01

Looking to trade 2.10 for your 2nd and 7th round picks in 2017.

390

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 12:39

Correction to post 387 --- I confirm post 384

391

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 13:06

Trade Annoucement

BMD gets:
- 2.20
- 2017 7th

BH gets:
- 2.10
- 2017 9th

392

Bmd
ID: 825715
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 13:10

Confirm.

2.20 available for a 2017 2nd rounder now.

393

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 13:57

Trade Announcement
Pete gets:
2016 2.20 s-draft pick (previously bh's)

BMD gets:
2016 10th round s-draft pick
2017 2nd round p-draft pick

BMD to confirm.

394

beastiemiked
ID: 5911312710
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 14:35

Confirm.

Also, Pete should have 3.10 not 3.19 from the Beltre trade. I should still own the 3.19 pick.

Thanks commishes!

395

Fosten
ID: 252542014
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 16:04

Sorry for the delay. Draft reached me in the middle of a long-winter nap. I guess you could say that was my "sleeper" pick. Ba-dum ching. Apologies.

396

WG
ID: 552431321
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 21:55

WG gets
Charlie Blackmon
2018 last 2 supp

BMD gets
2016 current last pick
2nd 2018 prospect
2018 1 supp
2018 4 supp

397

Bmd
ID: 825715
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 22:02

Confirm.

398

Meatwads
ID: 2020221
Sun, Mar 20, 2016, 23:46

Could the contenders please reach out to other managers besides bmd. Others have been expressing interest to make a trade for weeks and not even being given the chance to match or beat anything. Just watching deal after deal going through with the same guy. No knock against bmd, this is strictly a comment for the people trading with him. I know some of you aren't negotiating with other managers so what's up?

399

Meatwads
ID: 2020221
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 00:15

I realize my last post sounds a bit bitchy but that really wasn't my intention. I can really only speak for myself but I do feel safe to include some other managers that would agree with me. We all have resources, let's mix it up a bit. We have good players and picks available for the things future teams want and I'm sure other quieter managers do as well. Good luck everyone.

400

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 10:54

Okay......back from a busy weekend and getting caught up on the frantic action!! Dayum!! Hopefully I have it all right in Draftime and on our ESPN constitution. BTW - thank you to the other Draftime admins for helping out in-draft.

So, we appear to have 5 managers slinging trades left and right in preparation for a run at the top: WG, Pete, slizz, blue hen and moi. Plus Khahan, Guru and others will not go quietly either. Nuts. This is great......best in-draft trade activity I can ever remember.

388 / 389 -- don't take it personally. bmd is an OG and part of it might literally just be that other peeps have his cell to text or have IM or other instant ways of getting hold of him for easy trade talks. As some have mentioned to me via email -- if you want to give your cell for text or have IM or other ways to get a hold of you, that can always help trade talks. Funny how much we don't want to email anymore.

That said -- when you (a collective 'you' to ALL teams) see 5 managers seemingly duking it out trade-for-trade -- don't be afraid to reach out on your own as well to get in on the action. You are damn right I am looking at holes to plug that I might want to do via trade to not fall behind these other guys.

Also, GREAT JOB by all managers so far in the Supplemental Draft. Two full rounds over the weekend before the clock even starts. Speaking of the clock -- FYI it starts up in an hour and we will have a 3-hour per pick clock with no clock from 12:00am ET to 9:00am ET.

Happy drafting and trading!!

401

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 11:28

Yea, nothing personal Meat. I feel there are essentially 2 types of managers: ones that will make the first offer and ones that prefer the other person to make the first offer. Not that one type is better or worse, but I think there are fewer type 1s than type 2s generally, and so those 1s get more deals done than 2s. I do find it commendable that some people are secure enough in their valuations and comfortable enough with the expected returns to make the first offer; it's a trait I'm not sure I have.

402

WG
ID: 552431321
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 11:29

Having said that, I am still in need of a 3B and SP and can potentially move JP Crawford in a deal if anyone is interested.

403

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 14:29

Trade Announcement:

Fosten receives
Species 3.12
Species 10.06

Species receives
Fosten 3.09
Fosten 13.09

404

slizz
ID: 3556212
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 15:12

I know its semantics at this point, but I don't think Fosten has pick 13.09 because of 10th and 11th keepers Rasiel Iglesias and Henry Owens. His last pick, at least from what I show, is 12.09.

405

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 15:35

Definitely semantics. Technically he doesn't forfeit those picks until they come up. Now he has traded up so 12.09 will end up forfeited.

It was totally worth it for me......I saw Pete was in need of an OF and Granderson stuck out like a sore thumb as a solid, veteran bat. My hunch was correct -- he would have taken Grandy......so not only do I get a really strong backup bat, but I c-blocked Pete in the process! Win-win for me! ;)

406

PeteN.
ID: 302492114
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 15:49

Yep, I was deadset on taking Grandy (bh can confirm). %&$#!!!!

407

Tree
ID: 59243137
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 16:09

Glad to see everyone realizing that 2016 might be their last year for some time to win a championship. 😆

408

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 19:17

Tree, check your ESPN message / e-mail when you have a moment.

409

Tree
ID: 211133217
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 19:47

will do..

anyone who wants to communicate with me, it's best to email at the address linked here.

the address espn links to is one i barely use anymore. and it doesn't appear to offer me the option to update. weird.

410

Khahan
ID: 51120619
Mon, Mar 21, 2016, 21:28

409 - you have to go into your account setting and change it. Bring up the account menu on the account icon then choose 'account information' and you can update there. Its not linked to the team.

411

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 09:05

mjd just drafted Daniel Norris at 4.12. According to the prospect keeper thread, he should be a 10th keeper for Tosh.

Brandon Finnegan was also listed as an 11th keeper for Tosh, but he is still listed in the Draftime database.

Unless there was a change that I'm not aware of, mjd will need to repick, and both players should be taken out of the database.

412

mjd
ID: 21110120
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 09:16

Jeff Locke,, P

Sorry

413

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 09:44

I removed Norris and Finnegan, and picked Locke for mjd. Somebody check my work, but I think I did so properly.

414

beastiemiked
ID: 481162721
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 10:29

Per Post #384, I should get Pete's 12.07 and 13.07. It's not updated in Draftime. He will receive my 13th and 14th round picks in 2017

415

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 12:28

411: Sorry. I missed them.

413: Thanks for jumping in.

414: Corrected both in Draftime and in the trade log in the Constitution.

416

Meatwads
ID: 252551912
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 15:17

Trade Announcement

Meatwads send :
Brian Dozier, 2B, MIN

Khahan sends :
Justin Upton, OF, DET
2017 1st round prospect pick

Khahan to confirm

417

Khahan
ID: 332222214
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 15:22

Trade Announcement
Khahan gets Brian Dozier

Meatwad gets
Justin Upton
2017 prospect pick from Khahan
.....

I carried 4 OF as keepers and then had a call up of a 5th one who I suspect will lose prospect status this year. My MI was a total wreck. I'm giving up a few rbi's and a bit of OBP for a smidge more SB and a gain in runs scored. I get a full time 2nd baseman and have Travis as a back up now when he comes back from his injury. My 2nd base going from being a wreck to (depending on when and how Travis comes back) a strength and with McCutchen, Brantley and Parra (going to Coors) my OF is still pretty strong.

We discussed a number of options but settled on what amounted to the simplest. Meat - i'm still not so sure I should have passed on that 5 player deal you offered with various draft picks.

418

WG
ID: 132582216
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 17:58

Anyone interested in moving down; I'm interested in moving up.

419

GO
ID: 47227520
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 22:07

Are people supposed to be picking their players up? Cause it seems like nobody is.

420

Species
ID: 54740122
Tue, Mar 22, 2016, 22:42

419: Yes. I have been.

Everyone - get off your asses!!!!

421

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 00:07

Trade Announcement

WG recieves
Trevor Plouffe
2018 10 sup

mjd recieves
7.09
2018 7 sup

422

Bmd
ID: 825715
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 10:32

Please pick up your players!

423

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 10:56

421: Noted. It looks like WG just picked him up himself, so no trade in ESPN to approve on the site......but consider it approved.

Updated Draftime.

424

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 12:04

422: Did some auditing and tried to pick up drafted players.

The "You Suck Ass" award goes to Nerfherders with 4 missed pickups.......and that is just right now. Something tells me others of his have gone unclaimed. Booooooooooooooooo.........like when Philly booed Santa.

youngroman was a close 2nd with 3 missed pickups this go around, and slizz gets the 'bronze' with 2.

Be kind to your leaguemates, people. We are ALL in multiple drafts - I shudder to think how many WG is in right now - so that is no excuse.

That said, I will say we are progressing very nicely. For that, I thank you all for your attention to your queues.

425

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 13:29

And through 6 rounds, the best drafter is... Judy! Judy has yet to spend a second on the clock, and has now become my 2nd favorite G20 member (behind MJD).

Khahan, Guru, Great One and darkside join Judy and me in the Under 10 Minutes club (Tosh barely misses), and the Over 40 Minutes club is bmd, Meatwads, MJD (hmm, maybe Judy should be ahead of him), Tree, and Fosten.

426

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 15:35

I could use everyone's help please:

Given our callups and some trades, we have many managers who will be forfeiting picks late in the draft. I need all managers to confirm their lost picks at the end of the draft. This will make a tremendous difference in administering the end of the draft.

Here is my first stab at it -- but for some guys like WG and Pete who have made multiple trades -- I don't want to take the time to figure out their pick situation. The following teams appear that they will forfeit the following picks:

Species: 13.12, 14.12, 14.15
youngroman: 14.13
blue hen: 11.20, 12.20
Judy: 14.10
Khahan: 14.18
Tosh: 13.16, 14.16
Fosten: 12.09, 14.09
Jaydog: 14.05
slizz: 10.09, 11.15 (?)

I am basing this list on: '10th keeper' callups and slizz' trade that crossed my mind. If every manager would please review their teams and advise. It will save us all a LOT of time towards the end of the draft trying to identify who needs to be skipped.

Thank you!

427

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 16:02

Correction on mine [426] - I will forfeit 13.20 & 14.16.

428

Meatwads
ID: 252551912
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 16:08

I will be using all of my remaining picks. I have 8 roster spots unfilled and 8 picks remaining in the draft.

For the record :
I started with 9 keepers
I added Hector Olivera as a 10th keeper
I traded Melancon to Species to bring me down to 9
I traded Dozier to Khahan for Upton, stays at 9
I have used 6 picks, which beings me to 15
I have 8 picks remaining, which brings me to 23.

429

youngroman
ID: 57047243
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 16:19

I confirm that I don't need 14.13 because of the Severino callup.

430

Khahan
ID: 9220238
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 16:23

I should only be losing the 1 pick due to the 10th keeper call up. No trading of supplemental picks to worry about yet for me.

431

Species
ID: 54740122
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 16:28

Trade announcement:

mjd receives:
9.12
2018 6th

Species receives:
7.09
2018 9th

432

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 16:53

confirmed

433

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 16:54

I will use all of my picks.

434

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 17:32

I won't need my last 2 picks, I believe.

10th keeper at 11.08 will give me 23.

12.15 and 13.08 won't be needed.

435

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 17:43

Looking to trade down in exchange for a 2018 upgrade. Let me know.

436

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 18:43

Running tab of confirmed forfeited picks per my request from 426:

Species: 13.12, 14.12, 14.15
youngroman: 14.13
Khahan: 14.18
Tosh: 13.20, 14.16
mjd: 12.15 and 13.08

No forfeitures:
Guru
Meatwads

437

Judy
ID: 35493114
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 18:54

Judy (Sam n max) 10th keeper Peraza. Lose last pick only.

438

mjd
ID: 21110120
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 19:37

Check that, just 13.08 is not needed.

439

Fosten
ID: 432192321
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 22:19

Species re 426 your math looks correct to me.

440

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 22:33

I forfeit 11.07 and 12.07

441

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Mar 23, 2016, 23:31

More specifically, I will trade pick 11.20 for literally anything. Get those offers in...

442

WG
ID: 36217119
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 00:18

I have 4 picks showing on drafttime but only 3 slots left... so I guess my last (13.10) is forfeited.

443

Tree
ID: 59243137
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 01:23

Errrrrr...

444

Jaydog
ID: 30236207
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 09:09

I forfeit my 14th rounder (14.05)

445

Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 11:04

I have a 10th keeper so wont need my 14th rounder.

446

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 11:11

For Blue Hen

11.20 Kyle Schwarber, C, CHC

12.20 Joey Gallo, OF/3B, TEX

447

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 14:19

Running tab of confirmed forfeited picks per my request from 426:

Species: 13.12, 14.12, 14.15
youngroman: 14.13
Khahan: 14.18
Tosh: 13.20, 14.16
mjd: 13.08
blue hen: 11.20 and 12.20
Nerfherders: 14.04
WG: 13.10
judy: 14.10
Fosten: 12.09, 14.09
Jaydog 14.05
Pete 11.07, 12.07

No forfeitures:
Guru
Meatwads

448

darkside
ID: 2822316
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 18:00

I will use all of my picks. Thanks, Species!

449

Bmd
ID: 825715
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 21:33

I should have Petes 12.07 per our earlier trade. He said it was a forfeited pick. I will be using all my picks.

450

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 22:20

Tree's pick 9.03 is invalid.

Hector Olivera,(Atl 3B) was a 10th keeper for Meatwads.

Must have not been removed from the database.

451

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 23:09

Tosh - I caught tree on IM. He will post a replacement pick. Please block that player on draftime.

452

Tree
ID: 59243137
Thu, Mar 24, 2016, 23:12

Replacement pick.

Alex Guerrero, of, LAD

453

Species
ID: 54740122
Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 00:14

452: Ok....we are good. Pick him up in espn like normal. He has been removed from Draftime.

454

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 15:28

449: Can you double check? I processed it in Draftime as you receiving 13.07 and 14.07 - i.e. 'last two picks'.

455

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Fri, Mar 25, 2016, 19:12

For those in rebuild mode, I'm putting Tyler Glasnow and Jon Gray on the block. Glasnow is arguably the 2nd best pitching prospect behind Giolito. While it would be nice to get the treasure trove of value Slizz did for Giolito, I'll be realistic. Looking to package both for an older, but established ace SP who can give me 200+ innings this year. If interested, let me know. Thanks!

457

mjd
ID: 21110120
Sun, Mar 27, 2016, 12:35

My roster is maxed. Please skip my 13.08 pick

458

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Mar 28, 2016, 11:10

As per #445, I need to be skipped.

459

Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Mar 28, 2016, 11:29

My team is full.

460

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Mar 28, 2016, 11:56

Wow, this was one of the smoothest drafts I can remember. We averaged under an hour per pick. Judy finishes with no clock time used and is easily the clock champ. Pete, Roman, Tosh, Guru, and darkside were all under 15 minutes of clock per pick. Only Fosten and WG were over 30 minutes, and both were under an hour.

By contrast, my RIBC league had 9 players over 30 minutes, and one guy at 1:46:06 per pick (or 2:43:46 including freeze time). The quickest 6 managers put together took less time than that guy.

Anyone got a draft review? Anyone want a do-over? Anyone want Tyler Naquin for a mid-level pick?

461

Bmd
ID: 825715
Mon, Mar 28, 2016, 14:51

Sorry for the timeout but I didn't get an email from drafting until after Itimed out.

462

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Mar 28, 2016, 15:50

I forfeit pick 13.20. I took Zac Rosscup at pick 13.20. That was just a placeholder auto-pick ... so that I did not hold up the draft.

463

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 28, 2016, 16:58

A hearty THANK YOU for those Draftime admins who helped out with skipped picks. Been busy in and out of meetings today.

464

Tree
ID: 211133217
Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 08:21

fun draft! i've got a ways to go, but i really like how my rebuild is going. (also, it appears my final pick of Adames is invalid, as my roster is full).

465

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 12:43

Outstanding draft, everyone. Thank you for your attention. We had minimal delays, trades flying back and forth and attentive managers.

For the first time drafters, Tosh (I presume) is now in the process of re-entering our entire draft. It is a pain, but it is the only way to have the FA pool available for our Draftime draft.

Once the new 'offline draft' has been completed, the rest of the player pool will go on waivers and our 2016 season is ready to go and open for business. Until then, free agents transactions are frozen.

466

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 14:42

The draft has now been re-set, and re-entered. Unfortunately, ESPN did not allow to make roster changes to the keepers while entering draft results, so it made the process a little trickier.

So I had to -
- Re-set the draft
- Enter the 10th/11th keepers
- Enter the draft results - ESPN did not allow going over 23 players.
- Close the draft
- Process all the in-draft trades.
- Go back and add additional draftees, so that everyone has 23 players.
- Set the Waiver order

I think I did it correctly. But it is possible that I missed a trade.

PLEASE CHECK YOUR ROSTER FOR ACCURACY!!

467

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 15:44

Thanks again, Tosh.

Please direct further discussion to our Regular Season thread.

For posterity, I am putting the 2016 Supplemental Draft trades here.....and deleting them from the constitution.

These managers have had their 2016 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
7-1-13 Species receives WG's 4th rounder for his 7th (Lackey)
3-6-14 Species receives Ref's 2nd, 4th and 7th for his 10th, 11th and 12th (2014 picks)
6-3-14 blue hen receives GO's 4th for his 14th (Fielder)
6-25-14 mjd receives GoatLocker's 6th for his 14th (Melancon)
1-28-15 blue hen receives Tosh's 2nd for his 13th (Cabrera/Sale/Arrieta/Rosenthal)
2-9-15 Slizz receives Judy's 6th for his 13th (Carter)
3-25-15 GreatOne receives Khahan's 6th for his 14th ('14 pick swap)
5-5-15 Bean receives Species' 5th for his 10th (Colon)
5-11-15 mjd receives WG's 4th (via Species) for his 14th (Uehara)
5-11-15 mjd receives WG's 5th for his 13th (Casilla)
5-21-15 darkside receives WG's 5th for his 14th (Ramos)
5-16-15 bmd receives Judy's 8th for his 14th (Papelbon, Axford)
5-23-15 bmd receives WG's 3rd for whatever last round pick is in his possession (Samardzjia)
8-21-15 Meatwads receives Tosh's 5th for his 10th (Morales / Hunter)
2-11-16 Nerfherders receives Species' 6th for his 8th (Cruz)
2-20-16 Judy receives Tree's 7th (via Species from Ref trade) for her 10th (Gordon)
3-09-16 mjd receives Species' 4.12 and 8.04 for mjd's 5.19 and 6.11 (pick swap)
3-09-16 WG receives 5.19 back* (via mjd) for his 9.19 (Ramos)
* This completes a previously made trade with darkside on 5-21-15
3-10-16 Species receives bmd's 5.10 for his 6.11 (A. Reyes)
3-11-16 blue hen receives GO's 6.18 for his 6.20 (Moustakas)
3-11-16 Species receives slizz' 9.15 and 14.15 for 13.08 and 9.19 (pick swap)
3-14-16 WG receives slizz' 4.15 for his 10.19 (Ellsbury)
3-14-16 WG receives Fosten's 7th for his 11th (S. Miller)
3-16-16 mjd receives slizz' 12.15 and 13.08 (Bumgarner / Giolito)
3-19-16 WG receives GO's 5th for his 14.14 and 14.19 (Grichuk / P-Pick)
3-19-16 Pete receives bmd's 3rd (Beltre / 2017 picks) for his 13th and 14th
3-20-16 blue hen receives bmd's 2.10 for his 2.20 (2017 pick swap)
3-20-16 Pete receives bmd's 2.20 (via bh) for his 10th (P-pick / pick swap)
3-20-16 bmd receives WG's last round pick
3-21-16 Fosten receives Species' 3.12 and 10.06 for his 3.09 and 13.09 (pick swap)
3-23-16 mjd receives WG's 7.09 (Plouffe)
3-23-16 Species receives mjd's 7.09 for his 9.12 ('18 swap)

468

PeteN.
ID: 8550318
Tue, Mar 29, 2016, 20:37

My roster looks good. Thanks Tosh!

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