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Subject: Dirty Dozen 2017

Posted by: Khahan - [10151510] Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 11:08

The Dirty Dozen League Constitution
Entry Fee = $30 (Due by Opening Day) Fee paid to Great One, I believe he prefers paypal.
7 keepers
Keeper Deadline outlined below or they will be picked for you.
Any trade or keeper change after that will not be accepted.
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List

Payouts = $360
1st Place $245
2nd Place $ 75
3rd Place $ 30
Kafenatid $ 10*

Trade Review
Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.

Categories & Positions
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new)
SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

Trade Deadline
Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends)

Here's a link to the 2015 season discussion.

* - kafenatid is typically paid by the last place team and not part of the pot.

Khahan
ID: 10151510
Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 11:28

Use this thread to check-in that you are returning for 2017, apply for an open spot if we are having somebody leave, praise me, list keepers, post trades etc.

Bean
ID: 27592412
Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 13:00

loki
ID: 15046816
Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 22:23

GO
ID: 388562222
Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 22:58

In it to win it... AGAIN!

Astade
ID: 10123164
Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 05:23

I'm in

PeteN.
ID: 19721320
Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 08:57

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 09:09

Khahan
ID: 341571611
Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 12:57

Tristan Cockroft just came out with his top 300 dynasty player.
Even after some of the 4:2 and 2:1 trades I have some valuable assets still available. Top 7 are my probable keepers. Number in () is their rank according to Cockrot.

Manny Machado (2)
Trea Turner (11)
Max Scherzer (23)
George Springer (34)
Andrew Benintendi (46)
Stephen Strasburg (57)
Addison Russel (78)
Carlos Martinez (45)
Justin Upton (66)
Jackie Bradley Jr (71)
Maikel Franco (123)

Always willing to trade for picks. Willing to move one of my probable keepers in a package with non-probable to upgrade the keeper slot as well.

GO
ID: 388562222
Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 21:58

GO For Sure Keepers
Bryce Harper
Nolan Arenado
Buster Posey
Madison Bumgarner
David Price

The Fringe
Ian Desmond
Christian Yelich
JA Happ
Justin Verlander
Johnny Cueto
Julio Urias
Craig Kimbrel
Roberto Osuna

loki
ID: 15046816
Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 22:41

Keepers until I make another bad decision:

Anthony Rizzo
Paul Goldschmidt
Mark Trumbo
Jonathan Villar
Lorenzo Cain
Chris Sale
Zach Greinke

Possibie keepers available for draft picks:

Yasiel Puig
Michael Conforto
Jose DeLeon
Dylan Bundy
Lucas Giollito

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 23:16

I have Danny Salazar, Aaron Sanchez, Michael Fulmer and Adam Jones available.

GoatLocker
ID: 12101417
Fri, Feb 17, 2017, 17:49

If my old fart memory is right, once upon a time, I was in this league.
If you have an opening, would love to return.

Goat

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Feb 20, 2017, 00:27

I think the only off-season trade so far was my trade with Wiggs. I just got that processed (man, yahoo needs an easier way to handle this off-season stuff). If I missed any trades please speak up.

Bean
ID: 27592412
Sat, Feb 25, 2017, 12:34

Dates for Keepers and Draft?

holt
ID: 301312616
Sun, Feb 26, 2017, 17:31

Loki
ID: 9258411
Sat, Mar 04, 2017, 13:17

Anyone else at First Pitch Forum Saddle Brook, NJ?

Bean
ID: 27592412
Sat, Mar 04, 2017, 17:14

<15> BUMP

Dates for Keepers and Draft?

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Mar 05, 2017, 10:14

Keepers are due by midnight Sunday March 12 (think of it as 11:59pm sunday night) EST. We'll start the draft on Tuesday March 14th at 8am.

This is in line with out start times from last year. Just need GO to renew the league at draftime.com

Bean
ID: 27592412
Mon, Mar 06, 2017, 15:00

KEEPERS
Robinson Canó Sea - 2B
Giancarlo Stanton Mia - OF
Kyle Schwarber ChC - C,OF
Eric Hosmer KC - 1B
Jean Segura Sea - 2B,SS
Yasmany Tomás Ari - OF
Kyle Hendricks ChC - SP

astade
ID: 43217619
Mon, Mar 06, 2017, 20:17

keepers

José Altuve Hou - 2B
Kyle Seager Sea - 3B
Xander Bogaerts Bos - SS

Corey Kluber Cle - SP
Yu Darvish Tex - SP
Aroldis Chapman NYY - RP
Kenley Jansen LAD - RP

PeteN.
ID: 19721320
Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 02:22

Hey everyone, just a heads up my rotoguru handle going forward will be ttucowboy.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 08:20

22 - wth? That's not allowed. You can't change your name. We're all old and easily confused.

Bean
ID: 27592412
Tue, Mar 07, 2017, 11:49

Just trying to picture a cowboy wearing a tutu

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 15:01

Keepers
Aj pollack
Jacob degrom
Chris Davis
Ryan Braun
Jon Lester
Carlos Gonzalez
Adrian beltre

Khahan
ID: 55251814
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 15:51

Hey guys,

We're still waiting for DPR, Tree and PD to check in. Sending another reminder email.

Tree
ID: 77532019
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 18:21

crud. i'm here. sorry. is there anything pertinent i need to know?

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 19:00

Heard from PD. He's back as well. Just need confirmation from DPR and we're all set to go.

Umm, pertinent stuff, I believe you agreed to trade me Mike Trout for a bag of chips last year ;) I've ordered a bag of chips from amazon to be delivered to your door!!

Other than that, nothing that isn't already addressed here.

loki
ID: 15046816
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 19:40

Keepers reposted:
Anthony Rizzo
Paul Goldschmidt
Mark Trumbo
Jonathan Villar
Lorenzo Cain
Chris Sale
Zach Greinke

loki
ID: 15046816
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 19:43

Note to GO:
My standing offer for Bryce Harper is off the table.
Now that I have Brandon Marshall, I no longer need him.

dpr
ID: 26244820
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 21:44

Sorry dont think I received an earlier email.

Keepers:
Correa
Seager
Miggy
Encarnacion
Carrasco
McCutchen
Rendon

They likely would be very difficult to pry away but I would be open to moving either Correa or Seager if I was wowed. I like both players but probably shouldnt have my best 2 keepers both be young SSs. I also would entertain picking up a player to help the back end of the list but they would have to be really cheap or a solid keeper (say roughly top 50).

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Mar 08, 2017, 22:39

That's a go. We're all accounted for and all returning. Welcome back everybody.

ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 11:27

RE 23: Ha, not trying to confuse. Just needed to make the change. Oh and bean, the ttu is for Texas Tech University (my alma mater... tutu is funny though, lol).

Back to business....

Keepers

Freddie Freeman
Brian Dozier
Kris Bryant
Nomar Mazara
Alex Bregman
Wil Myers
Gerrit Cole

I'm pretty much locked in with this 7, but always open for trade talk.

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 22:04

Trade
Da Bomb receives Dee Gordon, Chris Archer, ttucowboy 6th round pick. ttucowboy receives Da Bomb 2nd round pick.

Keepers
Josh Donaldson
Charlie Blackmon
Joey Votto
Gary Sanchez
Dee Gordon
Masahiro Tanaka
Chris Archer

Available
Billy Hamilton
Adam Jones
Danny Salazar
Aaron Sanchez
Michael Fulmer

ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 22:08

Trade with Da Bomb confirmed

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Thu, Mar 09, 2017, 22:15

Khahan's Keepers
Manny Machado
Trea Turner
George Springer
Andrew Benintendi
Addison Russell
Max Scherzer
Stephen Strasburg

Notable left overs for picks (in talks now for some of these)
Carlos Martinez
Danny Duffy
Justin Upton
Maikel Franco
Eduardo Nunez

As a league we keep 84 players. 2 of those players are being drafted within the top 84. 3 of them finished within the top 84 last season.

GO
ID: 388562222
Sat, Mar 11, 2017, 22:45

GO
Bryce Harper
Nolan Arenado
Buster Posey
Christian Yelich
Madison Bumgarner
Justin Verlander
Johnny Cueto

Leftovers
David Price
Julio Urias
JA Happ
Craig Kimbrel
Roberto Osuna
Ian Desmond

Tree
ID: 77532019
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 16:26

late notice i realize, but any of the following - all ranked in the top 106 of ESPN's dynasty rankings - may be available via trade.

Daniel Murphy
Jose Abreu
Yoenis Cespedes
Gregory Polanco
Hanley Ramirez
Adam Eaton
Nick Castellanos

email me, google chat me, or text me if interested.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 16:44

3 people still need to post keepers. Tree obviously checked in here. I've been emailing PD so I know he's aware. That just leaves Holt who hasn't posted since 2/26 - almost 3 weeks. I sent emails to hopefully he gets the reminder.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 21:17

****TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT****

Khahan trades Justin Upton and Danny Duffy and his last 3 round picks to Perm Dude

Perm Dude Trades his
round 2, 5 and 9 picks to Khahan

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 21:22

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 21:39

So last season I traded Nomar Mazara, Leonys Martin and Dee Gordon and Steven Wright in various trades for Ryan Braun and Justin Upton. I was able to spin them into Trea Turner, George Springer a 2nd, 5th and 9th round pick upgrades.

I'm coming for your belt GO!

Perm Dude
ID: 130432319
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 22:00

confirmed

Perm Dude
ID: 130432319
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 22:05

Keepers:

Justin Upton Det - OF
Ian Kinsler Det - 2B
Matt Carpenter StL - 1B,2B,3B
Cole Hamels Tex - SP
Rick Porcello Bos - SP
Danny Duffy KC - SP,RP
John Lackey ChC - SP

GO
ID: 388562222
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 22:10

I am the only with 4 titles now right? Gotta win one for the thumb! Da Bomb, Holt with 3? who else has won?

holt
ID: 57232523
Sun, Mar 12, 2017, 22:27

mookie betts
starling marte
nelson cruz
trevor story
jd martinez
clayton kershaw
jake arrieta

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 00:30

Tree's keepers:
Mike Trout
Francisco Lindor
Daniel Murphy
Rougned Odor
Jose Abreu
Noah Syndergaard
Yoenis Cepedes

Tree
ID: 48192723
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 00:43

I had midnight tomorrow. I'll post in an hour.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 00:56

Tree - see post 19. Pretty clear.

Tree
ID: 48192723
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 00:57

Yea, I misread. I saw the date of the 14th next to keepers due. Didn't read it fully.

Swap Harvey for Murphy, and I'm happy.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 01:05

Tree - I dont know that its a physical possibility at this point. I can see where in Draftime I can delete murphy as a pick but I dont believe I can insert Harvey there for you.
And the only way to do it in Yahoo is to reset everything which means scrapping everything entered already and re-doing it. This includes going back so far as redoing the draft order, reconfirming keepers etc.

I'm going to sleep now and I'll look at this again tomorrow morning after I'm rested. Dont want to do anything one way or the other now and screw things up.

Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 08:08

fair enough.

Loki
ID: 9258411
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 08:09

Khahan-Tree and I both finished with 56 points in 2016.
Could you alternate draft order for each round?
Could you also randomly pick who has 1.04 and 1.05?
Thanks.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 08:43

Tree and Loki

Sent you both an email. Please email GO a number from 1 to 10 for the tie breaker.

I figured it was this or eenie-meanie-miney-mo. ;)

Khahan
ID: 512201311
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 12:20

Keepers are all in at draftime.com. Trades involving picks are all in at draftime.

Loki won the tiebreaker and is set to pick first in the odd number rounds. Tree picks first in the even number rounds. That is in at draftime. We are set to go. Keepers are all entered at yahoo as well.

Please note we updated Tree's keeper list to make t he change above (Harvey instead of murphy). yahoo reflects this. Draftime does not reflect Harvey is on Tree's team. But Harvey is accounted for and not draftable.

As always I will be entering draft picks into Yahoo as we go. You can go to the league page then click 'draft results' to see them. Please do this occasionally and let me know of any errors as they are found.

dpr
ID: 302321312
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 13:32

How is Murphy being handled?

I will not be picking until this evening at the earliest. I need some time to create spreadsheets and adjust for who is left.

Khahan
ID: 512201311
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 13:39

Murphy is in the draft pool to be picked.

Perm Dude
ID: 130432319
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 16:12

I'm sorry, but is our draft ID at Draftime really 666?

:)

dpr
ID: 26244820
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 19:45

woah what is with the clock being on?

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 20:46

DPR - I'm sorry. I activated the draft but I didn't realize I started the clock. We are not under a clock and if you didn't get the pick you wanted we should back it up. If you got who you wanted, all is fine.

The clock is not supposed to start until tomorrow morning. For now, consider the clock starting tomorrow morning. But with the snow the NE is supposed to get hit with and potential for power/internet outages we may stay off the clock a little longer. But assume it starts now.

And again DPR if your queue got messed up because of timing out when we should not have had a clock, let me know.

Tree
ID: 48192723
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 21:51

Since I botched one deadline, to clarify, I'm under no obligation to pick tonight, correct?

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 21:55

Correct. Clock doesn't start until tomorrow morning - 8am EST.

GO
ID: 388562222
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 22:36

Someone catch me up on Murphy/Harvey? switch was done? which is in the pool?

Tree
ID: 48192723
Mon, Mar 13, 2017, 23:48

I kept Harvey. Murphy is/was in the pool.

dpr
ID: 302321312
Tue, Mar 14, 2017, 08:26

60. I didn't want Martinez. All set.

Khahan
ID: 82171512
Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 17:08

Holt - nice pick up in Price. I was wondering when he would go and seriously considered himself at my spot right before you.

The initial reports on his injury had people worried about TJ surgery but the past week makes it sound like he could be back by/before May.

holt
ID: 301312616
Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 18:21

Thanks. I didn't really want to start the draft with 3 sp's but it was hard to pass on Price at this point. I can probably make a trade somewhere down the road if necessary, I guess.

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 18:21

Why is the draft stopped?

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 18:31

Reached the end of the 3 free rounds. GO just submitted payment and we are up and running again.

Khahan
ID: 102351612
Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 13:35

That's a closer run I didn't expect. 1st pick of the round I was trying to decide between nailing down my second closer or filling out 2nd/Of with a guy who can help my BA. Almost went with Allen or Giles but figured most closers listed are still pretty far down the adp charts. Happy with Frankie. He always seems to do more than expected. But I'm much rather have picked my closer at the front end of the run instead of the back end.

Loki
ID: 9258411
Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 18:40

Sorry for delay. Did not expect the draft to come back to me this quickly and will not have computer access until tonight.

loki
ID: 15046816
Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 21:04

GO-My many offers for Bryce Harper are now off the table. I drafted the next Bryce, Vlad, Jr.

GO
ID: 388562222
Fri, Mar 17, 2017, 21:47

Nice. Can't wait to see him in 2020!

Dpr
ID: 19215218
Sat, Mar 18, 2017, 18:34

Wasn't Harvey not supposed to be in the pool? I am going to hold off.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 00:05

Yes, Harvey is off the market. I just dont have a place to enter him into draftime without taking up a slot that is needed for the draft.

He's marked as a keeper in yahoo and on tree's team in yahoo.

I emailed GO asking him to redo his round 10 pick.

loki
ID: 15046816
Sun, Mar 19, 2017, 21:36

I had a problem and thought I had turned off Auto Pick. Obvious that I did not want Liriano. Would it be possible to change to Adam Wainwright?

loki
ID: 15046816
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 09:50

Thanks!!

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 12:45

Pick 13.06. I will take gleyber torres. Ss nyy. He isn't in draft time. Khahan will let me know who to use as a placeholder

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 12:55

Used Ramon torres as a place holder for gleyber torres

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 13:05

Interesting that Ramon Torres makes the DraftTime database and not Gleyber.

KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 23102210
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 14:40

FYI, any player can be added to the database using the "Add Player" link when using the search option. The player is added temporarily until I approve the addition (to prevent duplicates).

Gleyber Torres has now been added if you want to update the pick.

Khahan
ID: 22512014
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 15:51

Thanks KKB

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 20, 2017, 22:11

And with Aaron Judge my draft is over.

Khahan
ID: 38242215
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 16:05

We are done. All picks made. All picks entered into Yahoo. DD members, please PLEASE, visit our draft recap page at yahoo.com asap Draft Results

Check your team then check-in here whether there is a problem or not!

If there's an issue, post it here or email me and I'll get it fixed quick.

It shouldn't take long to double check so please do this asap. I don't want to start the season until we have this check complete because fixing mistakes now is as easy picking Mike Trout #1 overall. Fixing mistakes after we start is about as much work as figuring out your draft charts after round 2.

Bean
ID: 27592412
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 16:27

Mine are good

dpr
ID: 302321312
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 16:29

My team looks good.

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 17:42

Good. Thank you.

loki
ID: 15046816
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 18:30

I should have Mike Moustakis and should not have Tim Anderson.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 19:45

Fixed Loki. I had switched you and Tree for that round.

GO
ID: 17312218
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 20:27

Mine looks good.

Can we all get a big thank you to Khahan for doing all the league setup? I am really just Treasurer at this point. Not much time for anything else these days.

loki
ID: 15046816
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 21:16

Yes!!
Thank you Khahan for all the effort that you have put into The Dirty Dozen 2017!!!!

astade
ID: 43217619
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 21:43

My team looks good. Thanks Greg!

holt
ID: 362472220
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 21:47

I'm good. Thanks!

ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 21:50

Mine looks good. Thank you Khahan!

Khahan
ID: 34257248
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 09:57

3 teams yet to check in. Tree, PD and Wiggs. Come on guys, get your teams verified and check in here please.

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 10:59

Sorry khahan. I thought I posted this the 1st day. Mine is good. Not sure why it didn't post

Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 13:43

looks groovy. thanks for the work!

Khahan
ID: 34257248
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 15:20

Should waiver order be opposite draft or same as draft? Right now its neither. I think right now its an ADHD kid after 5 spoonfuls of sugar and 8 redbulls.

loki
ID: 15046816
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 21:34

What have we done in the past with the waiver wire? I would vote to keep it unchanged.

100

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 21:37

I'm pretty sure we've done opposite of draft order.

101

astade
ID: 43217619
Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 23:42

Can we try to get the Waiver Wire priority sorted out this week?

102

Tree
ID: 48192723
Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 23:56

I've always thought it was reverse order of the draft.

103

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 19:36

Wiggs wins the Treinen pickup rush. Impressive!

104

Bean
ID: 27592412
Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 22:51

Wiggs winning the race and being congratulated for his "skill" is EXACTLY what is wrong with Rotoguru leagues.

Saves needs to be done away with in rotisserie leagues, it skews the result far too much toward reaction to news in real time. I'm certain that most of us dont want to be tethered to cell phone alerts to be competitive in our fantasy baseball league.

105

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 22:57

104- Agreed Bean, Though in a 12 team league I dont see as pressing of a matter or as severe of a matter as in even 14 or 16 or 20 team leagues we may be in.

106

GO
ID: 388562222
Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 23:33

Reverse order of draft.

The chase is eh... whatever. Last few years I just picked a few decent closers and didn't even try to go nuts as part of the chase for saves. Gets a decent enough score to not matter.

107

Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 23:58

Bean. What are u talking about. "Skill". There was news on a player and I picked him up. You don't think that happens all season long? You don't think that happened during the draft when a player does something. You don't think when scherzer injurybwas announced his draft position got adjusted? Things happen on the fly all season

108

Bean
ID: 27592412
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 01:18

Wiggs, this wasnt a slam directly aimed at you. It was aimed at the process, and how we now react to people who benefit from being first in line. We've come to accept this broken state as "part of the game". Being there first is not a skill. It's nice for the guy who got there first, but its not worthy of admiration of any sort.

My words are a commentary on how our ruleset compels us all to be glued to news outlets to be competitive. He who acts on breaking news fastest on a regular basis is, without doubt, at a significant advantage over those who dont. Frankly, I find it absurd that anyone would argue this point.

Personally, I would prefer our leagues to require all FAs to be on waivers permanently, allowing everyone a chance to use their waiver priority to make a claim.
That way everyone has a reasonable chance to benefit from "breaking news", even if they arent "glued to the set".

However, too many of us would fight this tooth and nail because they want to stream players, or, in some cases, are the primary beneficiaries of the status quo.

Congratulations on your windfall, hope we all get a few this season, and they arent all focused on a few rosters.

That's the last you will hear me talk of this in any of the leagues until the subject is once again brought up by others.

109

astade
ID: 43217619
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 01:38

I agree with Bean and would like to see all FAs on waivers permanently. I no longer live in the States so with a 14 hour difference in time zones I am at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to roster changes. Regardless of geography, I'm sure there are others that have schedules that aren't well positioned to make roster changes during their normal day time.

Can we put this up for a vote for next year?

110

holt
ID: 57232523
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 04:10

Such a system would really make it a drag every time you wanted to make a transaction. It would pretty severely hamper the game of people who are active and trying to fill lineups on a daily basis. You'd have to put in multiple waiver claims just to make sure you'd have a catcher in the lineup (as an example), and if you happen to pick a catcher who doesn't start, you can't pick up another one to replace him til the next day. you'd go to the back of the waiver priority every time you made a move. staying alert to baseball news is kind of a major part of fantasy baseball. I don't mind people being able to sign a FA at any time. It makes it so much easier to manage your team. Probably 99% of transactions don't fall under the "race to the keyboard" category.

111

holt
ID: 57232523
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 04:40

Btw, we all knew that Treinen was up for consideration as a closer. Everyone had the opportunity to add him ahead of Washington's announcement. I looked at it but made the decision to wait til I could move some players to DL slots before making any moves. I just didn't want to cut anyone, so I can't complain that someone else got him. That's how it goes. Now if everyone was on waivers on all the time, it would have been a completely different type of decision to make. If I had claimed Treinen on waivers on Wednesday, I'd be moving myself to last waiver priority to do so. Then some other closer announcement is made and I'd be screwed. Seems like that would be a dis-incentive to being proactive on player speculation and would encourage people to be more inactive with their roster moves. Picking up players ahead of news should be something that you can do without screwing up your waiver priority and should be encouraged.

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astade
ID: 43217619
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 04:41

Holt, I think your argument is a strawman. Using the FA pool to try to optimize streaming of position players has nothing to do with the problem of managers racing to pick up the latest Treinen. Bean's point is still valid.

But sure, let's talking about streaming... I can argue that for those that are intent on swapping out a catcher on a daily basis that having their waiver wire priority reset is a fair tradeoff. As a league we should consider getting away from the thoughtless nature of just constantly swapping players without any repercussions for your team.

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Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 07:46

Not sure where the "glued to the set" or "race to the computer" came from. I heard it on the radio around 9 or 930. I don't have access to fantasy at work. Went to lunch at 1230 and checked the computer and he was there. That is 3 hours after the announcement. Don't see how it was a race. I am in 6 leagues and he was gone in 5 by the time I got there. In no way was it a race.

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dpr
ID: 302321312
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 09:06

Prior to coming to read this thread I was setting my lineup and was determining what positions to but players and remembered that we don't have any hitter games played restrictions. Got me thinking about this does greatly favors those who are on everyday making transactions and I looked at past years and there was definitely a strong correlation between moves and finish (which there should be, but this was extreme).

It probably cant be for this year but I would be in favor of having caps per position like most other leagues. I would not want to cap restrictions as I still think people should be able to stream, and move for the hot hand, but I would want to see the effectiveness limited.

That said I also agree with Holt that perpetual waivers would be a nightmare and create a lot of issues for plugging players into lineups. You also would have to check the website to place your claim, and then an additional time to check if won and slot the player in.

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Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 11:05

i'm with those opposed to perpetual waivers.

the free agent system isn't perfect, but fixing it by presenting a different set of problems - as a perpetual waiver system would do - isn't the solution.

perpetual waivers work great in a weekly lineup game. but in a daily lineup game, it sucks.

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GO
ID: 17312218
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 11:14

I currently do “everyone on waivers” system in one of my Yahoo leagues. It’s terrible. Its considerably more work. If I look to a light schedule Monday and want to add an extra C or SS to my lineup, I wind up having to research 5 catchers and 5 SS I like to make sure I am going to get one. And then consider all the different combinations of waivers, who is might be dropped in different scenarios and the ranking of those waiver claims. Sort of like in NFL with planning your Tuesday after moves…. Could you imagine doing that nightly?! Painful.

AND THEN… I need to check back in the next morning to assess what happened, set the lineups with the new guys and start all over. No adding a couple guys to fill holes and setting your team for tomorrow cause you’ll be on a trip somewhere and can’t check in.

Holt is right, Treinen should have been rostered in the first place – as most to all “closers in waiting” should be in a competitive league. That means this scenario – where a closer comes completely out of nowhere - is a small fraction of roster moves for the year. And if there are 10 of these type moves all year, I bet half them get hurt or lose their closer gig a month later and it didn’t even matter.

I don’t waste my time or energy chasing closers. It’s not worth it. If news comes out when I’m around during the day when I’m watching I’ll take a look. I could go nuts to get the news and win the race to the computer for the few times a year it matters, but at best you get a closer who nets you like 1-2 extra point in the Saves category. If some other team wants to go nuts trying to catch them all – (nerve in Poli league I think use to have them all for example) then great. There are better or different ways to allocate my roster then loading them up with temporary or part-time closers.

Also never really thought the GP cap mattered in baseball that much because everyone plays most day. And we have deep benches in this league to cover when a guy sits out a game. Baseball more than any sport does not have a direct correlation between starting guys and success because staring an 0/4 guy will have a negative impact unlike NBA for example where they will accumulate something.

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holt
ID: 301312616
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 13:01

Most of the moves that I make aren't of the "1 day, extra 4 AB, variety". Mot of my transactions are to try to get a slightly better player or to ride a hot hand, or dump a cold hand. I was just throwing the catcher thing out there as an example. I actually usually carry two catchers.

My main point is that it is nice to have a transaction system that isn't overly time consuming and a drag to use. Closers aren't usually difficult to have in this league. Really good ones, maybe, but low end closers are easily had.

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loki
ID: 15046816
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 13:42

I thought that I saw somewhere that ESPN will have FAAB available.
If so, is that a possibility for next year?

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GO
ID: 17312218
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 14:02

Yahoo has (and has had) FAAB budgets for a while now. But if it wouldn't impact free agents, right? Just waivers?

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Khahan
ID: 51116166
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 14:55

I have less than zero desire to be in an FAAB league

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Bean
ID: 27592412
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 16:09

As I said earlier, people will fight this tooth and nail cause they want to stream players. It seems that the primary complaint about using a forced waiver system is pointed at that. You may not think of your transactions as streaming, but that is exactly what you all are talking about. Your team identity is one of constant streaming of players. Something you wont see in the real world of real baseball. You know, the game we are trying to emulate with fantasy baseball.

Because of the resistance to a forced waiver system from streamers, I first said do away with Saves (104). You see, I have had this debate with people in just about every league I am in. I've heard this all before. To me, doing away with saves (or going to S+H) is a compromise position, because streamers are so adamant that they need the flexibility.

Closers are the biggest windfall that the "glued to the set" person gets. Injury announcements and prospect promotions aren't usually as game changing as closer announcements. I havent given it alot of thought, but Khahan is likely right in his assessment that the "closer effect" is more prominent as the number of managers goes up. Still doesn't change my position though.

Anyway, you all know how I feel about this subject. So, just do me a favor if we cant fix the rules to eliminate the need to being tethered to our news outlets. Don't pretend that there is any skill involved in being first to the web site to pick the guy up, unless, as Holt points out, its ahead of any announcement or in game event.

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Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 16:43

How is a closer getting the spot any different then a position player getting hurt and the prospect coming up?

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Bean
ID: 27592412
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 17:25

The injury replacement is rarely as good as the guy he replaces and is often below average. Prospects are a dice roll, and being called up doesnt necessarily mean you'll start, even though it is common place. Most keeper leagues have prospects that are already rostered anyway.

What you have described is a situation where both things come into play simultaneously, an injury along with a prospect call up, presumably you are talking about a top prospect call up. I cant argue that wont have a big effect, but I am not allowed to fix that problem with forced waivers in this environment, so you will have to live with the blemish.

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Bean
ID: 27592412
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 17:41

Another point, if you are genuine in your desire to understand my point, and not just playing devil's advocate. For many, the game has already been reduced to chasing closers. Most of us have modified our draft behavior because of this.

If you are confident you can pick up closers during the season by winning the race, you dont have to bother yourself with closers at all during the draft. If, on the other hand, you know you wont get any of the midseason closers, because you are just not ever going to be there first, you have to pay a premium for closers during the draft, or you punt the saves stat.
The advantage for the consistent race winner is obvious.

So why not just make everyone punt the stat by eliminating it (or switch to S +H)?

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holt
ID: 362472220
Fri, Mar 31, 2017, 22:10

There are leagues out there that are designed to more closely emulate real baseball. Typical roto leagues aren't designed to do that. They are kind of a game on their own. There are leagues that have transaction limits and use a point system which avoids the need to ever care about saves, stolen bases, and player news.

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holt
ID: 57232523
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 11:22

Anyone else having an issue with the available player list at yahoo? I can see the pitchers but the hitters list is just blank for me, no matter what I try.

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Bean
ID: 27592412
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 11:42

Same problem for me on all 6 of my yahoo teams. Cant see my today's lineup either, and there are a few other oddities as well.

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Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 12:14

I tried on firefox and chrome both. Just typical Yahoo screw up

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Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 14:19

Cost me Grilli in ribc. I was on trying to see my team about 12:10 and make changes but couldn't. He was picked up just 10 mins later and I was still having issues.

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Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 14:28

Can't speak to that but the app was working.

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Khahan
ID: 49350610
Thu, Apr 06, 2017, 11:53

Nobody has given any reviews yet this year so I'll go ahead and kick things off:

Khahan last year 4th
I like my team this year. I predicted a middle of the pack team for myself last year and was solidly in 4th place at the end. I was in the mix for top 3 until shortly after the all-star break when my whole team seems to have forgotten how to hit. For this year I came into the draft with I think the best set of keepers I've ever had and one of the more well rounded sets in the league. And, excepting for Max Scherzer all my keepers are 27 or under so I have a solid core for a long while. I give myself an A for keepers

For the draft I had 2 goals: 1) draft players that will keep me competitive this year 2) draft players that will give me options in mixing up my roster or making trades later in the year to stay competitive. I think I did that.
I had my heart set on either Billy Hamilton or Hanley Ramirez for R1 but both were grabbed earlier than I thought but by teams who they just make sense for. I felt I needed either an OF, 1st or SP and went with what I felt was best available in Jones. Wont kill the BA (shouldn't help, but wont kill) and has the ability for 30 HR. From there it was much the same reasoning for the next few picks: best available. I was thrilled to see Kuechel there in round 2 with the first pick. While I don't see him rebounding to his 2014/15 numbers I do see him rebounding significantly from his 2016 numbers. I'm basically all-in on Kuechel having traded for him in G20, picking him up in every league I'm in but the 8-men out keeper league.
From here it was much of the same with me taking who I felt was the best player available to fill a positional or categorical need. I went with Agon at 1st as I had plenty of power elsewhere and went with Pedroia as a util/2nd for their BA. Some of my power guys can hurt that category. But with Pedroia, Agon, Machado, Benintendi and Turner I can absorb a few .260ish hitters. My pitching may be the best staff I've ever had though its not the top staff in the league. I have a few questions marks like how good will King Felix be this year? Can Manaea build upon his solid 2016 numbers? Will nate jones get the closers gig later? If those go my way and I can avoid the injury bug I expect this team to be in the money hunt this year. (1st-5th)

Jam Block Kill Chop last year T-8th
I don't know how Tree finished tied for 8th last year. His team is down-right scary. He's got probably the best crop of keepers. Though I think his Matt Harvey Man-Crush weakened him a smidge. But I see no reason he wont be in the top half of teams this year. Despite choosing Harvey over Murphy I have to give Tree an A+

However I don't think he quite hit the mark in the draft to compete for the money this year. He's short on pitching. 1 closer isn't enough to be competitive there. And after Syndergaard and Sanchez he has solid lower tier pitchers and Matt Harvey as a question mark. I think Harvey will do good this year, but I just don't think the gas is in the tank for his pitching staff. His hitting is what will wreak havoc in the standings. (6th-9th) though if any teams surprises into the top 5 I'd pick Trees.

ttucowboy/pete n last year 10th
Let's start with the keepers. Really mixed emotions here as Pete and I joked that we felt we were ripping off each others keepers lists from various leagues. I love bregman, mazara and dozier as they are keepers for me in another team. But then he keeps Myers (I'm pegging him as the biggest disappointment of 2017) and Gerritt Cole. Nothing wrong with Cole but I think I would have kept archer over cole and I would have kept my 10 year old daughter over Myers. Maybe Dee Gordon or take a flier on Gallo with that spot. Or keep Cole and keep Archer with that spot. But despite Myers I like his keeper list, very solid base to work from. B+ keeper list (though I know many others like Myers more than me and would rate it an A-).

But he grabbed C-Mart with his first pick. I had a hard time choosing between him and Strasburg for my own keeper list this year. Still I see his team a lot like Tree's team - scary hitting. Solid but nothing-spectacular pitching. Pete I think is going to be a middle of the pack team (7th-10th place finish)

Holt last season 3rd
His keeper list competes with Tree's for the best list in this league I think. That's about all that needs said. A+ keepers

As for the draft - if I manage to creep into the top 3 this year and knock one of holt/go/da bomb out - I think its holt's team. His pitching is ridiculously scary but not without question marks. Teheran is a wild card, capable of a cy young performance or a disappointment. Rich Hill is old for a pitcher and doesn't have an extended track record of excellence. And we wont know what to expect from David Price until he starts pitching (though the pick was a good one - I was watching price and almost took himself the pick before). His hitting is just so well rounded with betts and marte as 5 cat threats. Though I think he's middle of the pack in speed. Really his finish in the top 3 depends on a handful of pitchers. Predicted finish 1-4.

homerunners123 (last season 11th)
His keeper list for this year at least was very nice looking. But Miggy and Encarnacion are a little long in the tooth - good picks this year but not long-term outlooks anymore. And McCutchen needs to bounce back from last year. If his downward trend continues this is possibly the last year on anybody's keeper list. Still for this year it was a nice solid foundation. A-

For the draft - I didn't even put Daniel Murphy on my list as I knew he wouldn't make it down to me. 2nd pick was a very solid choice and Murphy is a keeper quality who can take a spot on next year's list for dpr hopefully. I think he is drafting for next year (or maybe even 2019) and did well from that perspective with Austin Meadows, Luis Brinson, Lucas Giolito. He's got some nice pieces for this year but looks to be in rebuild mode. If that's the case then I really like this draft for him. I think he nailed some great pieces for a rebuild. Prediction 9th to 12th.

Hoboken Zephyrs last season 8th
I have to give him an F on his keeper list only because he has Rizzo and Goldschmidt and wont trade either one to me. If he would just trade one to me I'd give him a B+. ;) I don't know that I'd keep Trumbo only because I don't know how much faith I have him in to repeat. And I don't think I'm keeping Greinke only because of faith I DO have him in to repeat. I think I keep Maeda there and maybe try to package Trumbo and picks for a different keeper. But if Trumbo can hit .255 with 35 HR he's worth the spot.

As for the draft, he's so top heavy in power that Hamilton is the perfect fit for his round 1. Couple him with Villar and add in a bounce back from Lorenzo Cain and we may have our SB pace setter. The power is definitely there and supplementing it with a potential from Moustaskas and Kemp may have been overkill. While Kemp was a good adp pick at that point I think a pitcher like Hill, Price or Hernandez would fit the team better. Loki was so solid in hitting categories after pick 1.3 that I think a heavier focus on pitching should have been made. Unfortunately like so many other teams I think the pitching is his downfall. Predicted finish 7th-10th

Super Twins plus 1 last season 7th
I like Wiggs Keeper list. He and I discussed a few options via email and he went with his gut. I know he regrets not being able to keep Moncada but there are only so many spots. I know he also liked our trade but wasn't thrilled about it at the same time. Giving up Springer and Turner is a shot to any keeper list, but he was rather weak after those 2. So instead of a top heavy list he rounded out his list to make it more solid up and down. B+

For his draft this year I hate to say it but I don't think Wiggs did himself any favors. Desmond is hurt to start the season. He could/should pan out just fine but I'm always a 'floor' guy with my 1st pick or two than a ceiling guy. An injury always makes the floor uncertain. Bautista is too scary for me. Do we get last year bautista or 2 years ago Bautista. Again, he could be just fine and easily justify this pick. His ceiling is still there. But the bottom dropped out of Bautista's floor. Of course then Wiggs comes in later with smart picks like Jharel Cotton and Gleybor Torres. I think his draft was a little jeckyl and hyde. Last season he was just a few points off from finishing in a respectable 5th. This year he could push that 5th-7th spot again but he could also fall hard and hit the 7th-10th range. I'm trying to keep my predictions to ranges 3-4 spots wide so I'm going to with 8th to 11th.

Bean's clippers last season 6th
Like Wiggs, Bean was in a tight race to nab 5th. An extra hit there, a save there - not much really separated these 3. As for his keeper list, its solid. It can't compete with Tree/Holt or mine/go's. But he made the best choices he could and like most has a solid list. Stanton is a wild card - his ceiling isn't as high as it used to be. His floor is maybe a little lower, but can't argue with the choice. Still a name brand commodity that can pay dividends. I think he could have traded to improve the Hosmer slot but I think he and I also don't see eye to eye on Hosmer's value. Solid B on the keeper list.

Bean's draft was pretty nice. Started strong with Maeda to supplement Hendricks and Longoria/K Davis to add more power. But he'll have problems in the BA department and barring FA pick ups during the season I'd have to say he's getting a 1 in the SB category. Bean's draft was tough because he often took a very good player at a solid value compared to ADP. But his closers are sketchy, he has no speed and his BA is suspect. He did pick up some nice speculative pieces (I was crushed when you took Joc Pederson in the 10th 2 before me) but ultimately I think we see Bean fall out of the top half for 2017. Predicting 9th-12.

Astade last season 5th
The keeper list. Despite names like XAnder Boegarts, Kyle Seager and Jose Altuve I think I like this list least of all, though it comes down to personal preference. In a league that keepers 84 players total I don't think I'm personally keeping any closer. Possibly if the bottom of my list was weak I would keep chapman or Jensen. And I think he had some interesting pieces he could have kept instead of them like Baez, Pederson or Bautista. In the end I think I would have simply been more active in the trade market. Keeper grade C+

In the draft, after Hamilton went I decided I was taking Hanley Ramirez with my round 1 pick. Then I looked at roster needs and realized because of Astade Han-Ram will never make it to me. I hoped and hoped, but ultimately was right as Astade snagged him. He then added Keon Broxton who could break out to supplement Altuve for nice speed. Odubel Herrera and Adam Eaton can add some nice stats and help BA. But at some point I got the feeling WG gave up on 2017. He went so RP heavy at the end and some of those (like Koda) didn't even pan out to closers. He can certainly make some trades to improve his team for 2018.He has some pitchers who could surprise us this year in Richards and Eickoff. But in the end I don't see Astade staying in the upper half this year. Where Bean is top heaving in some categories and bottomed out in others I think Astade is spread out too thin. Predicted finish 9th-12th.

Perm Dudes last season 12th
Keeper list was greatly improved by adding Justin Upton and Danny Duffy. Upton is ranked 66th on Cockcrofts top 300 dynasty players. Duffy filled a need for a front line starter PD had. We discussed a few options in players and configurations of draft picks coming back to me. In the end PD obviously hurt his draft this year giving up the slots he did. But he helped his keeper list tremendously with the trade. He went very pitcher heavy on his keeper list but that is where his best players were so I think he made the best choices he could. Overall I'd give him a B- on keepers
On the draft he came right out of the gate. There were 2 or 3 players I thought he couldn't go wrong with but really felt there was 1 obvious choice for him and he nailed it grabbing Polanco. He then took a pitcher in R3 that I really like, but since he was so top heavy on his keeper list I think he should have really focused on hitting. His team is where mine was 3 years ago. If I was him I would have been reaching for every hitting prospect and breakout sleeper I could - Dansby Swanson went 2 or 3 picks later in round 3. Keon Broxton, Rafael Devers, Joc Pederson, Marcel Ozuna all would have been high priorities. Still if PD can leverage his pitchers to competing teams that need pitching help at the trade deadline and take advantage of a long-term outlook he has the pieces to really commit to a rebuild. Predicted finish 9th-12th.

Go Second City Saintslast season 1st
Another highly rated keeper list. GO has proven time and time again that he knows his fake baseball and is a competitor. I don't think he's ever gone thru a rebuild phase and his keeper list reflects why - he has a good mix of young guns and veterans to keep rotating. Keeper list grade A.
I'm not so sure what I think of his draft though. He has a lot of speculative picks from Moncada (again) down the line to Aaron Nola, Tommy Joseph, Javy Baez and Josh Bell. Looking back at prior comments I take back what I said about Holt being the one to make room for me in the top 3. My only concern with thinking I can knock GO out of the top 3 is his ability to make trades and adjust his roster as he goes to fill needs. I don't think any manager is better at that than him. Predicted finish 1-5.

Da Bomb Squad Last season 2nd
Keeper list. You don't finish 2nd in a keeper league and have a crappy list. Da Bomb proves that. He threw back last years AL ROY. He threw back a guy in Billy Hamilton many think could steal 80 bases. He threw back a .265 30HR potential hitter in Adam Jones. He probably still made the right choices in keepers. A- for his list as I do think Tanaka wasn't keeper-worthy on his list compared to the 3 I mentioned.

In the draft he stymied my back up plan at 1st when he took pujols despite having Votto already. He took Quintana first despite many potentially better players out there. Quintana is one of the more valuable trade pieces in real baseball and I don't doubt that one bit. But I think he's one of those rare players, like Adam Eaton, who's skills and real ball abilities just don't translate into fantasy success at the same level. But he picked it up after that and filled holes in his roster and categorical needs much better. Predicted finish 1st-5th.

I do my write-ups without running anybody thru simulators or stat trackers. This is all the eye-ball test and gut reactions. For those I predict good things for, I hope I'm right on the money. For those I'm predicting to not do so well, I hope I'm full of shit. ;) Good luck to all!

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Khahan
ID: 49350610
Thu, Apr 06, 2017, 11:57

1 note - I realized after I typed this up that Bean and Astade both traded players that I said I would keep over other choices they made. I was just looking at last years rosters on the final day compared to the keeper lists.

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Wiggs
ID: 42142238
Thu, Apr 06, 2017, 17:21

Nice write up khahan.
I agree with my write up. I felt like I had to make some picks I didn't love but took a shot. Unfortunately I thought Desmond still had ss eligibility and I wanted that power in the ss spot. According to drafttime he was a ss and even more unfortunate he was hurt the night before the draft and I set a queue because I was working without access. Bad use of a queue I guess. As for Bautista I figured a big power year and he is a steal there. Anyways thanks for the write up and good luck.

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loki
ID: 15046816
Sat, Apr 08, 2017, 21:38

Khahan-
Thanks for the analysis which I enjoyed reading. I did not have the time to do one this year and appreciated your effort.
Funny thing about Rizzo and Goldschmidt. They came up at about the same time, and I picked up Rizzo 1st, liked him more than Goldschmidt and almost did not keep the latter. The pundits convinced me otherwise, so your loss!!
I wanted speed and power this season and think I did reasonably well in both areas. Interestingly tonight one of my speed guys, Villar, hit a HR, and one of my power players, Trumbo, stole a base.
My pitching is my weak spot, but not as much as you think. Greinke has a history of emotional problems, and while in KC he lost considerable playing time due to this. I think this factored into his miserable 2016 season, and I think that he will bounce back this year. Wainwright pitched very well at the end of 2016, and I think this will continue this year. The Pittsburgh pitching coach will work his magic on Ivan Nova, Julio Urias will give me 150 strong innings , and Chris Sale is Chris Sale.
I have good depth, and if Puig continues to play upto his capabilities, I will be able to trade for pitching later in the season. It will not be Puig however. I had him as a rookie, lost him, and now will keep him. The same with Urias. I kept him on the bench in 2015, lost him in 2016, and now have him back.
As in every season so much depends on injuries, even more than on free agent pickups. Matt Kemp has already hurt his hamstring, but depth mitigates this issue. I can play Lorenzo Cain, a keeper who I had on the bench because of the way the other OFs have been hitting.

I only play in 2 fantasy leagues, and Dirty Dozen is one of them. Looking forward to having a lot of fun this year.
Good luck to all!!

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Khahan
ID: 223512410
Mon, Apr 24, 2017, 11:51

Always in the market for a trade. I'm looking for speed or a first baseman. Nobody on my team is ever 'off the block' so if you see somebody you like and can fill a need I have, send me an offer.

136

loki
ID: 15046816
Tue, Apr 25, 2017, 10:38

We have played 1/8 of the season, and if they continue at the current rate, DaBomb will make 228 moves with Holt a distant second at 136.

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Khahan
ID: 4144189
Mon, May 08, 2017, 10:43

Looking to upgrade my roster. I'm in the market for:

1. a 1st baseman
2. speed
3. reliable closer

Nobody is ever off the market. Though if you want a guy like Machado, Scherzer or Turner be prepared to blow me out of the water with an offer.

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Khahan
ID: 44321511
Mon, May 15, 2017, 12:32

Congratz to Loki for overtaking me in 1st place last night. Especially impressive considering I was in 1st and had a night with the following stats:
13Runs, 11rbi, 5HR, .286BA a save and 11K's in 8 IP.

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loki
ID: 15046816
Tue, May 16, 2017, 16:51

Thanks, but I am back in 2nd today.
It is a long season, but if I think I have the depth to compete even when the inevitable injuries occur.

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Khahan
ID: 0411179
Wed, May 17, 2017, 10:11

You are right, its a long season and there is a lot of baseball to play yet. But this is turning into what could be an historic season for the Dirty Dozen. Going back over our history since 2004 there are only 2 seasons that at least 2 of Holt, Da Bomb and GO were in the top 3 and 4 seasons that at least one of them wasn't. That means thru 13 seasons GO, Da Bomb and Holt have occupied 1st thru 3rd in 9 of the seasons. At least one of them has been top 3 every single season. The way this season is shaping up so far could mark the first time ever none of those 3 finish in the money.

With that said, Holt is only 9 points out of first place. And while its a long climb at 16 and 20 points for Da Bomb and GO its not insurmountable for either of them to climb into the top 3.

Hopefully Loki and I can keep our dog fight for first between the 2 of us.

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loki
ID: 15046816
Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:30

My team is in a major slump dropping 11.5 points in one week. Still in 1st place, but not if I do not start to hit and pitch.

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Khahan
ID: 24518139
Tue, Jun 13, 2017, 10:18

Looking to make some trades. Primary focus is on SB and BA and would love to shore up either 3rd or SS. Don't really want an OF unless I'm moving an OF. And yes, I'm pricing my OF based on how they are performing this year. :)

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Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Jun 21, 2017, 00:58

Was looking back at league history and for some reason decided to compile a list of players still going who were on season-end rosters of our inaugural season:

Adrian Beltre (khahan)
john lackey (khahan)
bartolo colon (beebop)
joe mauer (rev)
chris carpenter (rev)
zack greinke (rev)
victor martinez (GO)
albert pujols (piccolos)
miguel cabrera (NY studs)
jose reyes (NY Studs)
francisco rodriguez (ny studs)
cc sabathia (wiggs)
carlos beltran (astade)
ichiro suzuki (astade)

That's it. 14 players ended in our inaugural season on rosters and are still active - having logged at bats in the current season) here in 2017. That's 15 years of play time. Even just at the end of 2015 it seems there were probably more than 30 guys still active.

144

Khahan
ID: 155202913
Thu, Jun 29, 2017, 14:20

Confirming trade with Astade and draft picks. I'll admit I thought it was my 1st for his 3rd but that's what I get for looking at stuff on my phone instead of a real screen.

However, getting Kluber and Chapman - I'm getting 5 more points in pitching out of this deal. Nails down a 12 in wins and should give me a 12 in K's. Yes, I know there is a 50+ differential in K's between me and 1st. But the people ahead of me are -29, -25 and -81 innings off pace. I'm -125 innings off pace and just added 2 high k/9 guys to eat up those innings.
I'm coming at 10.44 K/9 before this trade. Chapman is at (even for him) an unsustainable 14.8 K/9 and Kluber is at 11.6 K/9.

And the Win's, well Loki and I have been flip-flopping a 12 in win's for a while. I just added Kluber and a few vulture wins from Chapman - I'm banking on that as well. And if Chapman gets traded to a contending team or takes over as closer there is another point or two for me.

I could potentially lose 1 or 2 points in HR but I more than make up for it elsewhere.

Just letting everybody know now - once we hit the off season, 1 or 2 of Scherzer, Strassburg, Kluber and Keuchel will be available for picks. ;)

145

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Thu, Jun 29, 2017, 22:43

And shit, there goes Turner.

146

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Thu, Jun 29, 2017, 23:38

stupid yahoo wont put turner on the DL.

147

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Fri, Jun 30, 2017, 00:16

ESPN doesn't have him on the DL either, and it's because the MLB transaction hasn't been made yet.

148

loki
ID: 15046816
Fri, Jun 30, 2017, 13:53

I like that trade for you, and I think that it gives you an edge.
My trade for Jansen gave up some of the depth that I wanted for the 162 game season (and a future star in Conforto). Long time to go, and other teams will make a run, but I am glad to be where I am near the mid-point of the season.

149

dpr
ID: 302321312
Fri, Jun 30, 2017, 14:35

Easier to say now but I was surprised by the trade as you pitching appears better than the hitting. You are short innings but with your strong ratios you could make those up via league average players instead of another Ace. I would assume that those same K/W points could have been picked up using pitchers available on the wire or via trades that don't have as large an impact on your hitting. Springer is also top 5 in runs and top 20 in RBIs so you will likely take a hit in those categories as well.

But really we need Loki to slow down because if he continues to stay above 100 that is a tough border to cross.

150

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Fri, Jun 30, 2017, 17:55

From what I'm looking at I should gain more in pitching than I'd lose in hitting. Of course I'd give anything to have springer available to trade for a 2nd baseman right now. . . What a difference a few hours makes.
Still, Broxton, Maybin, Benintendi are movable pieces as well.

151

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Fri, Jun 30, 2017, 17:58

Plus if the Yankees use Chapman or Betances as trade bait to fill in gaps from injuries, Chapman becomes a closer and there is that much more value to trade to fill my own injured holes.

152

ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Fri, Jun 30, 2017, 18:44

I'm looking to trade one of my closers for a starting pitcher. If interested, let me know.

153

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 10:53

I dont know whats going on this morning. G20 league page is down and when I log into Dirty Dozen all my starting position players are labeled red. If I try to make a positional change I get a message stating I've reached the maximum games played limit for that position. But I double checked commissioner settings and its set to unlimited. *scratches head*

154

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Sat, Jul 01, 2017, 11:53

Good call to change the hitting limits to 180 though to fix this. I had the same issue in another league.

155

Loki
ID: 115322822
Wed, Jul 05, 2017, 20:37

The trade between Holt and ttc makes no sense for ttc.
IMHO.

156

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Jul 05, 2017, 22:31

Why not? Pete has a 12 in Saves with a 34 save lead over Da Bomb Squad in 2nd place. He turned an excess into a SP who he probably feels has better days ahead of him.

157

dpr
ID: 302321312
Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 08:28

Loki's comments are likely based on the fact that he just dropped Pineda. Turning someone from the WW into a solid closer does seem to be a generous return.

I can see how it makes sense for Pete given his abundance of saves but my initial thoughts were that he could have gotten a better return as well. I saw Pete's comment up thread and thought about sending a note but didn't get around to it. Maybe this is the best response he got.

We certainly have seen worse trades.

158

ttucowboy
ID: 7657213
Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 08:45

Khahan nailed it. I have a surplus of saves and wanted to get a serviceable SP in return. I was actually eyeing Pineda when he was on Loki's team, but figured he was going to want one of my top closers after an offer he sent me a couple weeks prior. As it stands now, I still have 3 closers (4 if Bush gets his job back) and acquired a SP who has good stuff and a big-time offense to give him run support. I'm also now healthy on offense for the first time in over 2 months (welcome back Freddie!). My goal is top 3 and it's doable.

159

loki
ID: 15046816
Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 10:28

I thought that it did not make sense in view of the return ttc got back. Trading the extra saves was a good move.

160

holt
ID: 46621611
Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 12:21

I was surprised that Pineda ever hit waivers so I put in a claim on him immediately. I definitely had a use for Pineda on my team. I did get a closer in the deal, but not what I would consider a high end closer at all. Just saves.

161

loki
ID: 15046816
Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 17:34

I guess that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. If I had thought that there would have been interest, I would have kept Pineda and dropped someone else to pick up Frazier. Even though I need the innings, I thought that Pineda was pulling my team down and was too inconsistent to hold onto.

162

GO
ID: 565491620
Thu, Jul 06, 2017, 21:51

I could sure use a trade.

163

holt
ID: 32645623
Fri, Jul 07, 2017, 00:45

Compared to Estrada, Teheran, Arrieta, Wacha, etc., Pineda has been gold.

164

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Fri, Jul 07, 2017, 22:47

Nice job Manny Machado - 4/4 on the night bringing your BA all the way up to .225 on the season!!

166

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Aug 05, 2017, 23:21

Why did we get delted back to 7/7/17? I dont think there were a lot of posts in the past month but there were a few.

167

loki
ID: 15046816
Sun, Aug 06, 2017, 19:35

Could be correct. I look at the site frequently but do not post.

168

holt
ID: 32645623
Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 16:25

Anyone looking to make any last minute trades? If you want to send offers my way, I need SP and maybe SB's. I think the deadline is up in 5 days.

169

GO
ID: 565491620
Tue, Aug 08, 2017, 21:32

Trade End Date: August 27, 2017

170

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Aug 09, 2017, 08:29

Hey DPR - Knock, Knock. ;)

171

dpr
ID: 302321312
Fri, Aug 11, 2017, 10:41

Anyone have any interest in Miggy? This just doesn't seem to be his year but he is only one year removed from being a top 12 hitter. I still like him long term so if any team is having a down year but not too far away and wants to gamble on a bounceback hit me up. I feel he is nursing an injury and news will come out in the offseason but I cant wait it out any longer given my position.

Ideally I would be looking for starting pitching or steals.

172

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 08:23

May be temporary, but hopefully not. Good to be back though. Most of my team is finally healthy again. Just need the rest of those Washington guys back.

173

loki
ID: 15046816
Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 10:32

My hitting has been slumping for over a month, but I am still close enough to make a run if they start to hit again. Could use Conforto back, but Jensen is moving me up in Saves. It is fun to be competitive for a change.

174

Khahan
ID: 37101410
Mon, Aug 14, 2017, 11:10

Loki - if you consider playing for 2nd to be 'competitive' so be it. ;) (just kidding, yes I agree its nice to be in the hunt finally).

175

Khahan
ID: 5773179
Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 10:03

Just documenting for posterity's sake here:

Loki sends Billy Hamilton and R6 pick to Holt

Holt sends Nelson Cruz and R10 pick to Loki

176

ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 12:58

Might as well add my trade with Loki as well:

Loki sends 4th round pick

ttucowboy sends 13th round pick and Osuna

177

loki
ID: 15046816
Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 13:25

To keep my trades together:
Loki trades Michael Conforto and round 2 to
Astade for Kenley Jensen and round 6.

178

loki
ID: 15046816
Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 10:59

Bad time of the year for Sale and Greinke to blow up. I thought I would gain some ground with both pitching yesterday. Wrong again!!

179

dpr
ID: 26244820
Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 19:44

Hey I just had my phone out and by accident dropped McCutchen. I assume people know that wouldn't be done on purpose. Can we get that reversed?

180

GO
ID: 565491620
Sun, Aug 20, 2017, 21:22

I think we all know you might have dropped him on purpose. Like you want him to grow his hair back.

But I added him back anyway.

I'm still looking to sell some spare parts that would super useful in a push. Buster would fix all your catcher problems, got some closers... non keeper hitters etc. Looking for a package deal.

181

dpr
ID: 302321312
Mon, Aug 21, 2017, 09:41

Thank you

Looks like this is turning into an exciting 5 team race down the stretch. I need my top tier hitters to turn it back around. My hitting is being carried by players I picked off of the wire a month or two ago (altho I could see myself keeping 2 of them).

182

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Aug 21, 2017, 13:23

I have Oh, Rodney and Maurer for Saves if anyone wants to give up pick(s).

183

Khahan
ID: 397302411
Thu, Aug 24, 2017, 12:30

So just to be clear, Astade traded Loki his round 6 pick in the Conforto deal and now Loki is trading that same pick back to Astade in the Lynn deal? This will be fun sorting thru and keeping straight next year. haha

184

astade
ID: 487112420
Thu, Aug 24, 2017, 21:12

yes

185

loki
ID: 15046816
Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 09:55

Should not be too difficult as long as we document the trades here.

186

loki
ID: 15046816
Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 18:38

My trade of Billy Hamilton for Nelson Cruz in order to gain in hitting categories in particular HRs has been costly. Cruz has hit 2 HRs since the trade and has been dismal in the other hitting categories. Meanwhile losing Hamilton will cost me 1 point in SBs and give DaBomb a point. I knew that I could lose the SB point but thought that I would more than make it up in the hitting categories. Cruz has 4 weeks to turn it around.
Which is more appropriate:
"The best laid plans of mice and men..." or
"Can't anyone here play this game," to quote Casey Stengel with the NY Mets in their 1st season.

187

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Sep 05, 2017, 21:38

hey loki - how about, "there's no crying in (fantasy) baseball" ;)

From your choices I'll take best laid plans. . .

188

loki
ID: 15046816
Wed, Sep 06, 2017, 18:14

Perhaps the Zephyrs are getting a little karma/dumb luck.
Both of my big players that I traded away, Conforto and Hamilton have season ending injuries.

189

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 22:49

I know its a little early yet, but if you are looking to rebuild come see me this off-season. My keeper situation is crowded the way a Tokyo Subway is crowded, with only 7 slots we can fill.

The "Not Going Anywhere so Dont Ask" Group
Trea Turner
Manny Machado

The "Willing to move but you wont like the cost, but try to blow me away" Group
Aaron Judge
Andrew Benintendi
Corey Kluber

The "I cant keep them all so I might as well get what I can for them" Group
Max Scherzer
Dallas Keuchel
Stephen Strasburg

The "I have no more room but they'd be a keeper on your team" Group

Craig Kimbrel
Corey Knebel
Justin Smoak
Marcell Ozuna

and finally The "I'd have been thrilled to have their talent 2-3 years ago to build around" Group
Ian Happ
Tyler Glasnow
Keon Broxton
Kolton Wong

Picks are absolutely the best. I'm so crowded its hard (not impossible so try) to upgrade.

190

dpr
ID: 302321312
Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 11:13

Has the innings limit always been this hard to get to or are starters going less innings with increase in hitting in recent years? Currently there is only one team projected to surpass the innings limit and I am 25 innings off pace and have the 4th most innings pitched (due in part to some recent streaming).

Not to be ironed out during the season but I would be in favor of reducing the cap by 50 innings so that we would become less dependent on streaming and who throws the most innings and more so having the best pitchers without needing to stream/carry a bench full of SPs.

191

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Sep 18, 2017, 12:53

Or just add another roster slot

192

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 02:35

I do believe we've always been at 1400 IP. I wouldn't be opposed to lowering it a smidge. Bean is the league leader in IP and he's on pace to come in just below threshold. Last season we had 4 people go over 1400 IP but I know at least 2, maybe 3 of them were streaming and loaded up on the last day.

In fact it looks like most seasons we have 3-4 go over. But from the numbers I'd have to say most of them are streaming pitchers and stocking up on their last day (1430+ IP). This tells me that people are working hard at just meeting the cap and it should probably be brought down some. I'd be fine with 1350.

193

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 02:41

Btw, I noticed when I was looking that up - the current record for most strikeouts in a season by a pitching staff for our league is 1450 set last year by Astade. If I hit the IP cap I'm currently on pace for 1597 K's. Maybe another day soon I'll take a look at the record highs and lows for each category and post them all up.

194

Khahan
ID: 98341911
Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 12:34

	2016	2015	2014	2013	2012	2011	2010	2009*	2008	2007	2006	2005	2004	Manager

R	973	904	868	904	898	883	917	839	882	905	891	855	897	GO
HR	297	251	214	227	273	262	241	246	219	215	240	257	240	Da Bomb
RBI	959	876	801	842	894	892	890	841	838	872	848	874	855	Da Bomb
SB	156	180	161	150	160	169	167	164	146	167	182	144	126	Little Weasel
BA	0.289	0.291	0.28	2.82	0.28	0.288	.279 (3)	0.295	0.293	.288(2)	0.296	0.29	0.292	Piccolos
W	106	95	105	90	99	108	105	100	107	98	99	101	87	Khahan
S	182	148	192	146	163	140	149	147	174	159	149	143	149	BH/WG
K	1450	1420	1368	1336	1333	1320	1345	1329	1347	1256	1200	1351	1185	Astade
ERA	0.345	3.06	3.05	3.18	3.14	3.16	3.17	3.33	3.47	3.27	3.57	3.29	3.33	dpr
Whip	1.18	1.10	1.07	1.14	1.12	1.16	1.18	1.23 (2)	1.24	1.19	1.24(2)	1.18	1.18	Holt
total	98	102	97.5	95	100	93	109.5	94.5	110	106	93	98	83.5	Holt

R	737	669	702	696	746	680	735	706	694	689	691	644	652	Wiggs*
HR	191	161	137	176	179	161	173	177	135	156	129	123	166	Wiggs*
RBI	667	676	659	703	674	638	730	729	623	689	638	546	644	Wiggs*
SB	61	70	87	83	87	112	64	76	68	59	79	61	47	Wiggs*
BA	0.251	0.256	0.260	0.263	0.252	0.256	0.257	0.265	0.263	.281(2)	0.266	0.270	0.27	Astade
W	69	65	66	76	68	67	74	67	73 (2)	71	62	53	66	Barilko
S	33	38	22	32	21	26	12	10	9	6	3	59	11	Rev
K	1060	1095	1125	1046	1078	947	1090	904	924	903	844	678	948	Astade
ERA	4.54	4.29	3.81	3.91	4.07	4.29	4.22	4.53	4.85	4.71	5.00	4.51	4.36(2)	Wiggs
Whip	1.37	1.35	1.28	1.28	1.38	1.29	1.36	1.47	1.43	1.44	1.42	1.43	1.39	Wiggs
total	27	21	31.5	31.5	29.5	26	29.5	33	39	26	23	21.5	27.5	PD

195

Khahan
ID: 98341911
Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 12:43

Explanation for post 194. I was going to just record the record best and worst in each category but as I went I realized a little historical perspective would make for a more robust set of data points. So I took the high and low from each season and recorded them on the table above.

A number highlighted in blue is the all-time best. A number highlighted in red is the all-time worst. The manager name in the last column is the record holder.

2009 has an * next to it. That is because this is the last season in which we had 1 utility spot. Starting in 2010 we added a utility spot. Not surprisingly all the lows for cumulative hitting stats came before 2009. All the highs but 1 came after (SB).

No manager owns both the best single season and the worst single season (I came closest with wins. The high is mine and second lowest is mine).

A number in parenthesis is the total number of people tied for that high or low for that season (record 3).

2005 had 5 record lows set.
2016 had 4 record highs set.
2006 and 2016 are the only seasons with both a record high and a low set.
2007 had a low batting average of .281 which 2 people tied for. This would have been a high in 3 other seasons (2014, 2012, 2010). This is the only time a low from 1 season would have been a high in another season.

196

holt
ID: 32645623
Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 01:09

Re 195: Looks like Astade currently has the record high and low for K's.

197

Khahan
ID: 14840208
Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 09:40

You're right. As of this chart Astade has the unique position of having the record high and low in a single category.

198

Astade
ID: 508132010
Wed, Sep 20, 2017, 11:13

Khahan you have too much time on your hands...

199

Khahan
ID: 20833219
Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 10:33

Before we got sidetracked with historical data DPR raised the question about an IP cap for next season. I think we're all seasoned enough players and know this league's roster limits well enough that we don't need to spend 100 posts debating if it should be this amount or that amount. I'm just going to call for a vote here.

Do you think we should change the IP cap to:

a) 1400 - leave it where it is
b) 1350
c) 1300
d) 1250
e) 1450 raise it

I added the more standard options out there and for completeness and fairness sake even added the option for a raise.

My vote is option B.

200

Bean
ID: 304422310
Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 16:38

201

astade
ID: 487112420
Thu, Sep 21, 2017, 21:14

202

dpr
ID: 302321312
Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 08:23

203

Perm Dude
ID: 49829217
Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 10:14

204

loki
ID: 15046816
Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 19:32

205

holt
ID: 32645623
Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 22:31

A
Nothing wrong with B, but A for historical sake.

206

GO
ID: 565491620
Fri, Sep 22, 2017, 23:42

207

ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Sat, Sep 23, 2017, 08:50

208

dpr
ID: 302321312
Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 10:09

Looks like it is going to be a very exciting finish for the top teams. For the last few weeks I have been viewing my upside/downside in each of the categories to see how much I can increase my total but I figured it would be interesting to do it for my team and others as we head into the final week. In some cases it is hard to determine what is possible

DPR
Rs:no change
HRs: +1 possible
RBIs: +1 possible
SBs:+1.5 possible
AVG: No change expected
Ws: No change expected but category can be volatile
SVs:-1 possible (likely)
Ks: No change expected
ERA: +1 possible/minus2 possible
WHIP:+2 possible/minus1 possible
Overall: +5.5/-4

Khahan
Rs:+1 possible
Hrs: No change likely
RBIs:-1 possible
SBs: No change likely
AVG: +1 Possible
Pitching: No changes expected
Total:+2/-1

DaBomb
Rs:No change
HR:No change likely
RBI: No change
SBs: +.5/-.5
BA: No change
Ws:+.5/-.5
SVs:+.5/-.5
Ks: No change
ERA:-1
WHIP:-1
Total:+1.5/-3.5

So it looks like my team has the most categories where points can be gain or lost while Khahan score is likely to remain largely unchanged. While any order is possible, it seems Khahan is likely to stay in top 2 as both DaBomb and I would need to reach out upside to match his likely mid/low90s score. I day where a team hits 6 HRs or picks up 3 wins could also prove my calculations wrong as I was assuming 2 wins or 4 HRs to be likely to not change but those margins are definitely still possible with a week to go (and maybe even a day).

Holt and Loki could both definitely spoil for a podium finish but without running the numbers it seems unlikely they could pull off a title.

209

Khahan
ID: 24823259
Mon, Sep 25, 2017, 10:23

That's what I've been looking at too, DPR. I've stayed very active with pitching working K's and W's as much as possible just to make sure I don't lose those 2 points to Holt. Because those 2 points are going to matter.

210

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Sep 27, 2017, 23:24

Holy shit. This late in the season nobody's ERA should change that much in 1 night. Overall ERA for the season went from 3.25 to 3.33!!

211

dpr
ID: 302321312
Thu, Sep 28, 2017, 16:32

And you didn't even lose any points...My pitchers blowing up last night likely cost 2-4 points in the standings if I am not able to finsh strong in the ratio categories. That will likely be the difference for me as the hitting categories seem to have primarily resolved themselves for me (steals points likely cant be gained like I was hoping a couple days ago; HRs however looks more plausible).

212

Bean
ID: 304422310
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 10:09

What happens with a tie?

Congrats on great seasons Dabomb Squad, homerunners123 and Khahan

213

Khahan
ID: 30915210
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 11:15

Congratulations to Da Bomb and DPR on a nail biting finish to an exciting season. A single HR and SB and a .001 difference in BA did me in. With my hitting basically dying in September. It certainly made for an exciting finish to a great year.

Da Bomb and DPR will split 1st and 2nd prize pool. I'll take the third place prize pool and just roll it over to next year.

And congratz to all others. Especially Holt and Loki who duked it out to the bitter end and tied for forth. We've had ties in the past but I don't think we've ever had a tie for first and I don't believe we've ever had 2 ties in a single season.

Congratulations to all on another great year of fake baseball!!

214

dpr
ID: 302321312
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 12:35

It definitely was exciting following the final day. I didn't think I stood much of a chance so I threw all the streamed pitchers I had compiled into my lineup in a desperation attempt. Somehow they combined for a sub2 ERA, a sub1 WHIP and 2 Wins to give me the edge in each of these categories by the narrowest of margins (I won ERA 3.669 to 3.670!). Still as the pitchers were pulled from their games, I still needed a bit more help to pull into a tie. Most hitters had been removed as well, but luckily Michael Taylor came through for Khahan (as well as Ozuna just a couple innings earlier) to steal half a point from DaBomb in the late innings. Unfortunately Merrifield lined out to end one of the last games going when either a HR or SB would have given me the league outright.

Congrats to the rest of the league and look forward to next season.

215

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 16:00

Really fun season and I'm somewhat relieved it's over after my (over?)management the past couple weeks. Nice to tie GO with 4 league championships and move past holt's 3.

My team got hot over the past month and the last 2 days I believe were the only consecutive days I was in first. Same case for me in RIBC AAA. Congrats to dpr on a big final day and finishing as a co-champ and to Khahan on a somewhat hard luck 3rd with how strong his team was all year.

I'd also like to thank Khahan for motivating my team with posts 140 & 174, and dpr's 208. It looks like my team was at 90.5 or 91 then and I ended with 95.

I also vote A fwiw.

216

Khahan
ID: 11947215
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 16:47

For what its worth it seems like the vote called for in post 199 is settled. No change has 5 votes. A change to B has 4 votes. 2 votes still not in. Even if both of those people vote for B, we don't have a majority voting for a specific change.

217

loki
ID: 15046816
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 19:33

Congratulations to dpr and Da Bomb for winning and to Khahan on almost getting there. Great season, and it was fun being competitive for a change.

Technical question:
Can the players picked up on 10/1/2017 be legally assigned to the teams since as waiver claims they cannot be rostered until after our season was over?

218

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 19:38

We're going to go by what the system says the final rosters were. Whatever yahoo defaults too.

For example Beltre was picked up by Holt on 10/1. If next year when we pull up the archived teams Beltre shows on his team as of the last day, he can keep beltre. If beltre doesn't show on his team, he can't.

Keep It Simple.

219

holt
ID: 32645623
Mon, Oct 02, 2017, 22:49

Congrats DPR, Dabomb, and Khahan. I had a lot of potential points in play over the last month of the season. Unfortunately Billy Hamilton got hurt, too many 0 for 4's from my supposedly good hitters, and too many implosions from "ace" pitchers. Especially on Saturday when Weaver, Kershaw, and McCullers all caved in simultaneously. I think I lost 6 points just in whip and ERA in a matter of an hour or two, and in the process gave dpr some points. I think I got within about 2 or 3 points from 3rd but then crapped out. It's alright though. At one point in late June I was down to about 60 points as issues like Kershaw and Marte were taking their toll. You just have to keep grinding. I don't feel bad about 4th place. If it's good enough for the Flint Tropics it's good enough for me. Looking forward to next season!

4th place!

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GO
ID: 565491620
Tue, Oct 03, 2017, 22:36

Congrats to Da Bomb and dpr. Our first tie I think? Every time you think you've seen it all... i guess we just add 1st and 2nd place winnings together and split evenly?

Tree is the only one not to pay and has a balance of 40 so i emailed him.

Wiggs took last and the extra 10 owed -- so he gets to pay for Kafenatid next year. PD had it two years running...

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Khahan
ID: 2911322610
Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 11:56

Yahoo as announced they will be adding a Shohei Ohtani/pitcher and a Shohei Ohtani/Hitter. I believe this is how most of the major outlets will end up handling him. This leaves us with 3 potential options that I see:

1. Hitter and player are 2 separate entities and must be drafted and treated separately. This is easiest to track but honestly I think greatly devalues him. Part of his allure and value comes in 1 guy delivering pitching and hitting stats.

2. In the draft hitter and pitcher are 1 person and when you draft one the other gets drafted, losing your last round pick. But once the season starts they are 2 separate entities and can be dropped/traded handled as individual players. This gives him the most value and the manager the most flexibility but seems a bit odd.

3. In the draft hitter and player are 1 person and when you draft one the other gets drafted, losing your last round pick. Once the season starts, they are still considered 1 person, taking up 2 roster spots. But they must be traded, dropped/added together. This makes the most sense but has the most possibility of causing problems. Especially in an add/drop situation. While it improves his draft value it may actually depress his trade value as managers receiving Ohtani need 2 roster spots for him.

For keepers I think it makes sense to go along consistently with whichever option you pick above. Options 1 and 2 means he is 1 keeper slot for a hitter and 1 keeper slot for a pitcher. Option 3 means you keep him with 1 slot as both a hitter and a pitcher.

Any thoughts?

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Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 19:29

#1 probably. I don't see him having much value as a hitter anyway as I don't think he would be playing close to everyday.

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dpr
ID: 26244820
Mon, Jan 08, 2018, 20:16

I don't see 2 making much sense in a keeper league. As DaBomb said he likely doesn't hold much value as a hitter so going into next year hitter Ohtani would not be kept (if he even stayed on a roster all year). This would lead us to using the option 1 after the first year anyways.

My instincts says 1 as it is the simplest. My only concern is that if next year Y! combines Ohtani into one player that puts us in a bit of a predicament where I imagine we could give that added benefit to the owner of pitcher Ohtani.

For 3, does this mean that to keep pitcher Ohtani you would need to keep hitter Ohtani as well using 2 slots? This would take away alot of his appeal and almost make him a liability. What if hitter ohtani never materializes into a player who gets ABs.

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Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Jan 09, 2018, 08:19

Option 3 he is 1 player so if you keep him it is 1 slot to keep. He takes up 2 roster spots because that is what Yahoo has coded. You just declare Ohtani as a keeper.

225

dpr
ID: 302321312
Tue, Jan 09, 2018, 08:37

I still may not think hitter Ohtani is worth rostering

226

loki
ID: 15046816
Tue, Jan 09, 2018, 14:39

I am not sure which option I would prefer, and therefore will abstain when this comes up for a vote.
However it is THIRTY-FIVE DAYS until spring training. Football is nearly over, I do not follow basketball or hockey, so am cannot wait for baseball and more importantly Fantasy Baseball to begin.
I am putting you all on notice that the Zephyrs are taking it all in 2018!!!!

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Tree
ID: 77532019
Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 14:26

gotta be 1. the others just create potential logistical nightmares.

228

Khahan
ID: 2911322610
Thu, Jan 11, 2018, 15:33

If that's your only reason for taking #1 Tree, a) thank you as GO and are the ones dealing with the logistical nightmares and 2) even being aware of those nightmares I think GO and I are willing to do a bit of extra work to make those options work. Otherwise they wouldn't be presented.

If your votes is still for option 1, great. But wanted to throw that out there just in case.

229

Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Jan 15, 2018, 18:01

i realize that, but as someone who has been a commish before, it's a lot of work already. i wouldn't want to ask someone to be forced to do even more work.

230

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Jan 16, 2018, 20:24

As always I'm looking to deal. My probable order for keepers:

Trea Turner
Manny Machado
Max Scherzer
Corey Kluber
Aaron Judge
Marcell Ozuna
Andrew Benintendi/Stephen Strasburg
Dallas Kuechel
Kimbrel/Knebel
Justin Smoak
Tyler Glasnow
Ian Happ

Mix and match from those guys as you see fit in offers for draft picks or keeper upgrades.

231

holt
ID: 54128513
Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 14:28

Not sure if I read all of the ohtani discussion but I think that if you draft him you should be able to just roster him as a pitcher but retain sole rights to add him as a hitter (so he would be off limits to other owners but you aren't forced to use two slots on him if you don't want to).

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loki
ID: 15046816
Sat, Feb 17, 2018, 16:40

Available for draft picks:
Nelson Cruz Sea - OF
Lorenzo Cain Mil - OF
Mike Moustakas KC - 3B
Yasiel Puig LAD - OF
Matt Olson Oak - 1B,OF
Roberto Osuna Tor - RP
Ken Giles Hou - RP

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