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| Posted by: Species
- SuperDude [07724916] Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 15:46
Constitution
Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14; 33-35 '15; 36-38 '16; 39-41 '17; 42-44 '18)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
bmd: 39.03 Vladimir Guerrero Jr, 3b, TOR; 42.01 Fernando Tatis Jr, SS, SD; 42.08 MacKenzie Gore, SP, SD; 43.04 Leody Taveras, OF, Rangers; 43.14 Colin Moran, 3b, PIT
Blue Hen: 43.15 Yusei Kikuchi, SP, Seibu Lions NPB; 44.03 Yordan Alvarez, 1B, HOU
Darkside: 43.08 Austin Hays, OF, Bal; 44.01 Alec Hansen, SP, Det
Great One: 36.01 Brendan Rodgers, SS, COL; 40.04 Kyle Lewis, OF, SEA
GreggoRomans: 39.01 Mickey Moniak, OF, PHI; 40.02 Alex Verdugo, OF, LAD; 42.04 Sixto Sanchez, SP, PHI
Guru: 39.18 Francisco Mejia, C, CLE
Fosten: 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT (1)
Khahan: 39.12 Yadier Alvarez, SP, LAD; 42.16 Michael Chavis, 3b, BOS; 43.12 Christian Arroyo 3rd/SS TB; 44.04 Derek Fisher, OF, HOU
Lyman: 34.09 Nick Gordon, SS, MIN; 40.07 Brent Honeywell, SP, TB; 42.06 Forest Whitley, SP, HOU
Meatwads: 42.05 Jhailyn Ortiz, OF, PHI
mjd: 39.02 Kevin Maitan, SS, ATL; 42.03 Royce Lewis, SS, MIN; 42.10 Austin Riley, 3b, ATL; 43.01 Michael Soroka, P, ATL
Nerfherders: Kolby Allard, SP, ATL; 42.12 Luis Gohara, SP, ATL; 43.09 Brendan McKay, SP/1B TB
Slizz: 42.07 Taylor Trammell, OF, CIN; 42.14 Jo Adell, OF, LAA; 43.11 Jesus Sanchez, OF, TB; 44.02 Gabriel Arias, SS, SD
Species: 36.17 Victor Robles, OF, WAS; 39.04 Nick Senzel, 3b, CIN; 42.17 Estevan Florial, OF, NYY; 42.19 Keston Hiura, 2B, MIL
Thumper: 39.10 Kyle Tucker, OF, HOU; 42.02 Bo Bichette, 2b/SS, TOR; 42.09 Triston McKenzie, SP, CLE; 42.20 Carter Kieboom, SS, WSH; 43.03 Mitch Keller, SP, PIT
Tree: 39.08 Michael Kopech, SP, CWS; 42.05 Willie Calhoun, OF, TEX (1); 43.02 Luis Urias, IF, SD
ttucowboy:
Tosh: 37.12 Anthony Alford, OF, TOR
wg: Willy Adames, SS, TB (2); 42.18 Hunter Greene, SP, CIN
youngroman: 39.15 Luis Robert Moiran, OF, Cuba; 42.13 Michael Baez, SP, SD; 43.10 Kyle Wright, SP, ATL
These managers have had their 2019 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-17 Thumper receives WG's 1st (Desmond + Harvey / B. Rodgers)
3-25-17 Meatwads receives WG's 7th for his 11th (2017 pick swap)
3-30-17 bmd receives Species' 7th and 9th for his 10th and 11th (2017 pick swaps)
5-21-17 Thumper receives WG's 8th for his 14th (Triggs, Wheeler / Altherr)
2-08-18 Species receives Meatwads' 4th for his 12th (Gordon/Cruz/E5)
2-09-18 GO receives slizz' 4th for his last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
2-09-18 GO receives Thumpers 3rd for his second to last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
3-07-18 Thumper receives Species' 5th for his 9th (Godley)
3-08-18 slizz receives bmd's 3rd for his 14th (W. Davis)
3-15-18 Great One receives Meatwads' 2nd and 5th for his 7th and last (2018 Supplemental)
3-16-18 Great One receives Fosten's 4th for his 10th (Matz)
3-16-18 mjd gets WG's 4th for his 14th (Winker, 2018 picks)
3-20-18 Fosten gets WG's 12th for his 14th (2018 pick)
4-12-18 Thumper receives his own 3rd back (via GO) for his 10th (Morrow)
4-15-18 Species receives WG's 3rd for his 8th (H. Ramirez)
4-16-18 Judy receives WG's 6th for her 7th (Peraza / Kennedy)
4-23-18 slizz receives Thumper's 6th for his 10th (O'Neill)
4-28-18 bmd receives slizz' 6th for his 8th (Hicks)
4-29-18 mjd receives slizz' 7th for his 11th (Gibson)
5-11-18 bmd receives blue hen's 2nd for his 13th (Boxberger)
5-25-18 darkside receives Tree's 8th for his 11th (Grandal / Andujar)
6-10-18 Species receives slizz' best 3rd for his 6th (Kemp)
6-18-18 Species receives WG's 5th for Thumper's 9th (via Species) (S. Wright, Solarte)
7-03-18 slizz receives Meatwads' 1st (Hand/Price/Morton)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 3rd for his 13th (Keuchel)
8-04-18 darkside receives blue hen's 11th for his 14th (Herrera/Gsellman)
8-05-18 Fosten receives Meatwads' 9th for his last (Hamilton / Hand)
8-08-18 darkside receives Guru's 5th for his 9th (S. Greene)
8-10-18 WG receives blue hen's 3rd for his 10th (Peraza)
8-15-18 Judy receives WG's best 11th for her last (Lynn / Barraclough)
8-20-18 youngroman receives Guru's 11th for his 14th (E. Jackson)
8-20-18 mjd receives WG's 11th for his 14th (Chacin)
8-25-18 Fosten receives ttucowboy's 7th for his 12th (B. Parker)
The following managers have had their 2019 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
8-17-17 Thumper receives Fosten's 1st and 2nd round picks (Meadows)
5-20-18 Khahan receives ttucowboy's 1st and 2nd round picks (Dozier)
5-25-18 blue hen receives Khahan's best 2nd round pick (Semien)
7-03-18 Thumper receives Guru's 1st (Mikolas, Cueto)
7-27-18 Khahan receives Fosten's 2nd (via Thumper) (Strasburg)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 2nd (Keuchel)
8-25-18 Khahan receives his best 2nd back (via 5-25 trade w/blue hen - McCutcheon)
These managers have had their 2020 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-15-18 Thumper receives GO's 2nd and 5th for his 7th and 14th (Britton / Eaton + Calhoun)
5-10-18 bmd receives WG's 1st for his 14th (W. Davis)
5-15-18 Bean receives Meatwads' 2nd for his last (A. Simmons)
6-20-18 Species receives Tosh's 5th for his 7th (Dyson)
7-03-18 Species receives GO's 6th for his 10th (Sabathia)
The following managers have had their 2020 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
7-03-18 Thumper receives Guru's 1st (Mikolas, Cueto)
Previous Champions
2003 (tie) Ref and StL Cards
2004 Ref
2005 Ref
2006 Beastiemiked
2007 Twarpy
2008 Ref
2009 Peter N
2010 Species
2011 (tie) Species and blue hen
2012 Toral
2013 Wazaaap Guy
2014 blue hen
2015 blue hen
2016 Species
2017 blue hen
2018 Guru
Commissioner:
"Species" gmrobinson1@yahoo.com - "Tosh" lodnar@gmail.com - "Guru" (Treasurer) davehall@rotoguru2.com
Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 P - 6
Active - 15; Bench - 8; Total - 23; Must have active players on roster at each position
Returning Managers
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to (or remove) any manager for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior, purposeful rules violations (ie colluding on a trade), inactivity (ie leaving injured/OUT players in as starters or not actively trying to improve your team), not participating in league business or repeated delays/unresponsive, or failure to pay your share of league fees. If an owner is removed or NOT invited back, a new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state. All monies will be forfeited.
Trade Policy
If there are 7 votes against the trade it will be sent to the commishs to be vetoed. There will be a min. of one full day to vote before the trade will be approved if the max objections are not reached. Everyone will be emailed by ESPN automatically as soon as the trade is accepted so they may review it. Make sure your email notifications are set up! Please check the site daily.
Trades involving draft picks/prospects will be listed in the trade and can also be posted on our leagues bulletin board and/or our thread at rotoguru.com. Note that off-season and pre-season (before draft is complete) trades will still be approved by the commishs.
Trades for draft picks - be they Supplemental or Prospect picks - may only be consummated within two drafts from the date of the trade. Example: in March 2015 before the Supplemental Draft, one can only trade either 2015 or 2016 picks. In June 2015, one could trade either 2016 or 2017 picks, etc.
Trade deadline - the trade deadline is the last day in August available in the ESPN website.
Minimums for GP and IP:
A team must accumulate a minimum of 1375 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
A team must accumulate a minimum of 1200 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
GP and IP demerits will be combined for each team. However, the first two demerits will be forgiven.
If a team finishes “in the money” for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.
For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year’s supplement draft:
If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)
For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)
If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.
Keepers
There will be 9 players available to be kept heading into the season. You will have a deadline to post your keepers. You may change your keepers up until the deadline.
Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft the previous June are not eligible to be kept as keepers. This rule applies even if that player has played in the major leagues. All Rule 4 draftees must go through at least one Prospect Draft prior to being eligible as keepers.
2017 Prize Pool
There are 19 of 20 people in the prize pool @ $15 each. That means there is $285 to distribute. Teams are required to always be in it or out of it once they committed to it in 2005. These will be the payouts: 1st $110; 2nd 65; 3rd 45; 4th 30; 5th 20; 6th 15. If a non-participant places 1st-6th, his money will be reallocated so there is always a 100% payout. 1st-5th place will be moved up a spot in the prize money and the 6th place $15 will go to the treasury to help defray dues costs to all. Dues are used to pay for the league champion trophy and draft.
Supplemental and Prospect Draft Lotteries:
The lotteries for both the Supplemental and Prospect Drafts will be conducted within 30 days of the end of the previous season.
Timing of the Keeper Deadline, Prospect Draft and Supplemental Draft
Each March, as proposed by a Commissioner, the league hold the following events, in this order:
1) Keeper Deadline: all teams must designate their keepers. They may designate up to 9.
NOTE: At this time, once the Keeper Deadline has passed, managers may also call up prospects to their active roster. In this scenario, those prospects are separate from their 9 keepers.
ADDITIONALLY: Once the keeper deadline has passed, managers may exceed 9 or more players by trade.
2) Prospect Keeper Deadline: Managers designate their Prospect Keepers. They may designate up to 3.
3) Prospect draft picks are assigned and the Prospect Draft is commenced per our rules below.
4) The Supplemental Draft is completed.
Supplemental Draft, FA Pickups and Waivers
The Draft will be held prior to every season after Keepers are announced. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order of previous years finish and will not snake.
Players must be available in the ESPN player pool to be drafted or added during the season via FA or WW. No amateur player may be drafted or picked up via FA or WW if the player in question still has amateur status or is a prospect. Also, if a player is drafted in the June MLB draft, while he may be freely picked up and used on a roster, please note that per our keeper rules they may not be kept the following season. All Rule 4 draftees must go through one Prospect Draft before they become keeper eligible.
There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours. (Subject to change). You may not exceed 23 players. You may not drop a player (or add a non-drafted player if you are short) until waivers have been turned on. You may trade for extra picks and you may trade your excess picks as long as it is done before the preceeding pick has been made. If you make a duplicate pick, the draft will continue and you may correct that pick at any time. Once you have been skipped, you will continue to be skipped until you are caught up. If a clock runs out, the next person on the clock will be charged for any time before his pick. If you are skipped due to a pick or c clock, you may still post your selection at any time.
Waivers will begin the season in the same order as the supplemental draft. Lottery picks and traded draft picks will not be considered when determining the waiver order.
Prospect Rules:
The underlined key deadlines and procedures are completed in a linear fashion, one after the other.
Keeper Deadline:
At a time announced by the Commissioner, all managers must have no more than 3 keepers on their prospect list. This is the only point in time where teams must have 3 or fewer prospects.
Managers will announce what prospects they intend to keep on the prospect list, which prospects they are releasing, and (if applicable) which prospects they are calling up and releasing (see below).
All hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP to remain a prospect. Otherwise, they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.
Owning another team's prospect pick has no bearing on the above.
Assignment of Prospect Picks:
After declaration of kept, released or called up prospects, Managers are assigned new prospect picks dependent upon how many prospects they kept - with the total sum of kept prospects and new picks of your own limited to a total of 3. Specifically:
- If you keep 3 prospects, you receive no new picks
- If you keep 2 prospects, you receive your 1st round prospect pick
- If you keep 1 prospect, you receive your 1st and 2nd round prospect picks
- If you keep no prospects, you receive your 1st, 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks
If an owner has traded away one of their prospect picks, they must reduce their kept prospects below three in order to comply with the terms of their trade. See "if you have traded away a pick", below.
Owning another team's prospect pick has no bearing on the above.
End of Keeper Deadline Activity:
Upon the completion of the keeper deadline and the assignment of picks, managers may then exceed three prospects by trade.
Processing of Traded Prospect Picks:
After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded picks:
If you have traded away a pick: As noted above, any team that has traded away a pick must comply with the terms of their trade. This means that the number of prospects you are allowed to keep is reduced by the number of prospect picks you have traded away. As with any trade, if an owner trades away a pick in a round that they do not own, the receiving party receives a pick of a higher round to satisfy their trade.
If you have traded for a pick: Acquired picks are only used as picks in the Prospect Draft. The owning of another team's pick in no way alters the number of prospect keepers you may have, nor does it effect the assignment of your own prospect picks.
Prospect Draft:
The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft). Drafts will be in inverse order of the final standings of the previous year and will not snake. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order and will not snake. Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. There will be up to 3 rounds.
A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 Major League at bats or a pitcher with less than both 55 Major League innings pitched and 20 Major League games pitched. Further, to be eligible, the player must be a professional baseball player, defined as one of the following:
- Under contract with a MLB teams system. This does not require them to have been assigned to a minor league team at the time of the draft.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Japans Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Koreas Korean Baseball Organization (KBO) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Cuba's top professional league, the Serie Nacional.
Amateur players in High School, College or otherwise subject to the Rule 4 draft are not eligible.
There will be a 3 hour per pick clock and a 4 hour cumulative clock to draft. If you are skipped, you may make your selection at any time. Time will not accrue from midnight to 8 am ET, though anyone may select during that time if their pick is up. Once the draft concludes, the only way to add a prospect is via trade or future drafts. After the draft, you may bring this player on your active roster at any time (as long as hes in the ESPN database) by dropping a player.
Prospect callup rules: Managers may call-up and then send down their prospect up to two times without losing their rights as a prospect as long as that player has not hit the maximum ABs/IP/GP threshold. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List below. At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they wont have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold. Before a commish will option or send-down a prospect, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. If a prospect is renounced or hits his threshold while on your roster (called up), his name will be removed from your prospect list.
Alphabetical list of Prospects:
Willy Adames
Jo Adell
Anthony Alford
Kolby Allard
Yadier Alvarez
Yordan Alvarez
Gabriel Arias
Christian Arroyo
Michael Baez
Bo Bichette
Willie Calhoun
Michael Chavis
Derek Fisher
Estevan Florial
Luiz Gohara
Nick Gordon
MacKenzie Gore
Hunter Greene
Vladimir Guerrero JR
Alec Hansen
Austin Hays
Yoshihisa Hirano
Keston Hiura
Brent Honeywell
Mitch Keller
Carter Kieboom
Yusei Kikuchi
Michael Kopech
Kyle Lewis
Royce Lewis
Kevin Maitan
Brendan McKay
Triston McKenzie
Austin Meadows
Francisco Mejia
Mickey Moniak
Colin Moran
Jhailyn Ortiz
Austin Riley
Luis Robert
Victor Robles
Brendan Rodgers
Sixto Sanchez
Jesus Sanchez
Nick Senzel
Michael Soroka
Fernando Tatis
Leody Tavares
Taylor Trammell
Kyle Tucker
Luis Urias
Alex Verdugo
Forest Whitley
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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 15:47
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G20 colleagues -- starting a separate thread for offseason discussion, with an immediate focus on the various rule change proposals discussed in the old thread. If managers can give me a few days of exclusivity in here while I organize the vote, I would appreciate it.
Please temporarily continue other offseason discussions in the old regular season thread. Thanks!
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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 17:15
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Rule Changes - Call for Vote:
We have had some good discussion regarding a variety of proposed rule changes. While some are compromises (i.e. - lowering max IP/GP instead of a transactions cap), I think the discussions have been fair, have taken all opinions into account and via the straw poll there is enough support to push these for a formal vote.
On the DL spots vote, I am simply using executive privilege to put this proposal forth with a limit of 3 DL slots for keepers only for ease of management. While yes, it is possible to have 4 or more keepers all on the DL at once, we are already adding a lot of functionality to improve all teams' chances of meeting GP and IP minimums. We can try it out at this level and consider adjustments next year.
1) Lower maximum Games Played from 170 per position to 165 per position
Yes or no
2) Lower maximum Innings Pitched from 1400 to 1350
Yes or no
3) Add three Disabled List / DL slots
These are designated for use ONLY for players kept in any team's 9 keepers at the beginning of the current season.
Normal rules for DL slots are followed. Specifically:
- They must be noted as "DL" by the ESPN fantasy site. Published news from online sources (including ESPN game stories) are insufficient.
- Once they are activated from the DL, teams have 3 days to move the player to their active roster
Yes or no
4) Add three SP spots to our Active Lineup
Note: this does not at all alter our total number of roster spots (23), but offers greater flexibility in managing one's pitching staff. Hopefully this also increases teams' chances of meeting IP minimums in a reasonable manner.
Yes or no
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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 17:18
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1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes
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ID: 5254718
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 17:21
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1. (no vote, I may vote later if needed)
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
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| | | 5 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 17:30
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1 yes
2 yes
3 yes
4 yes
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| | | 6 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 17:34
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1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Yes
4) Yes
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ID: 81492120
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 17:36
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1 yes
2 yes
3 yes
4 yes
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ID: 35282121
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 19:25
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
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ID: 367431722
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 21:36
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
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Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 22:26
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
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ID: 39230821
Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 23:04
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No
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ID: 77532019
Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 11:05
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No (i'm not sure how turning P into SP makes something more flexible. it seems to be the exact opposite of flexible).
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ID: 20555612
Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 12:27
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1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
Tree - the idea is to have 3 SP in addition to the 6 P slots we currently have. may lead to some teams carrying more relievers leaving more SP's on the wire. on the other side you can put almost all your pitchers into a starting slot and don't need to move them around hopefully not missing a start of any of them.
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ID: 5254718
Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 12:46
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Right, just means you can start 9 P in a day instead of the current limit of 6. Doesn't affect the structure of the roster in any other way.
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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 17:13
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If Tree wasn't fully up to speed on the discussion from the previous thread (cough....hint), I could see where my lack of clarity would have him asking that question.
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ID: 319161421
Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 17:30
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
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Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 18:38
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YES on all 4.
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| | | 18 | ttucowboy
ID: 51737190
Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 00:44
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No
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ID: 29614321
Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 14:23
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1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
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ID: 578392522
Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 21:55
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1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 12:09
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All four of these pass. I will incorporate into the constitution.
However, borrowing from Lord Voldemort's return in the graveyard of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, I profess myself disappointed in those teams that did not vote:
WG
Meatwads
Nerf
Greggo
WG was probably in protest of no transaction limit ;) Greggo might have felt his opinion didn't count. But everyone's voice is important, and calls for a league vote are important enough for all managers to chime in. I encourage you all to continue your attention and participation. I might hand out participation trophies next time.
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With the rule changes finalized, we can go back to our regular programming:
- additional rule discussion
- G20 spreadsheet / historical data
- offseason trade talks / advertisements
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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 12:34
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Prospect rules discussion
There has been a couple of concepts bubbling on the surface for a few years now. One has had a lot of talk and one is a bit more new:
1) Adjusting how many Prospect Keepers you may keep by using another team's prospect picks
2) Increasing the "base" number of prospects per team from 3.....with 5 probably being a good number to consider.
In a general sense, there has been a degree of historical resistance to changing the rules based upon the number of managers who were there when the rules were crafted.....and they wanted to maintain a semblance of balance between focus on your major league roster and making this league too prospect reliant. However, we have had a fair amount of turnover in recent years, with more managers coming in who are more used to prospect heavy dynasty leagues like this one.
One bit of loud feedback I have heard in recent years is the inability for teams to keep more than 3 prospects at the prospect deadline. Taking that another step, the inability to use another teams' prospect pick as a substitute of your own traded away pick to keep 3 prospects to begin with.
Some detractors have argued it leads to teams hoarding prospects. Others have (and rightfully so) wondered about the difficulty in crafting clear rules to govern these possibilities.
Let's take my team as an example. I have Robles, Senzel, Hiura and Florial and let's say I want to keep them all. The concept is, if I own another teams' prospect pick, that I could keep all 4.
The basis of our prospect rules was always to keep a maximum of 60 "slots" each year. Keep 2 prospects, you only get 1 pick. Trade away a pick, you get fewer slots. If we were to allow teams to use an acquired pick to keep more prospects, it would still adhere to the maximum number of total prospects each year. Done right, I think the more options that teams had to craft their teams is a good thing.
That's one rule change possibility to consider. The other is whether to expand the number of prospect slots per team....some have suggested other numbers, but for the sake of discussion right now, let's keep that consideration to increasing it to 5.
When we tweak rules, the league rightfully worries about loopholes and ways to gain unintended advantage. It is up to us as a group to craft it responsibly to avoid this. Let's consider those loopholes and seek to craft a rule proposal that does as intended while not providing any unfair advantages.
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| | | 24 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 13:09
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fyi - i was up on the discussion, which is why i was confused by the question. i do tend to see things literally.
i'm not sure i love the rule, as i can see it backfiring - i.e. even less SPs available on the waiver wire - like i argued, we're in an era where starters go 1 or 2 innings.
i still firmly believe that IP minimums don't do anything productive - the whole point of having counting *and* ratio stats is that you need to balance SP and RP.
if you're going with all relievers to try and win Saves, ERA, and WHIP, you're likely getting killed in W and K, and vice versa.
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| | | 25 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 13:12
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Prospect rules:
1. yes
2. no
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| | | 26 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 13:13
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re hoarding prospects.
so?
MLB teams routinely are ranked on their farm systems.
the MLB draft is 40 rounds. forty. rounds.
if each team in this league kept five prospects, it would still be unlikely if all 100 prospects on any given list were actually on a team in this league.
my thoughts?
5 keepers per team, and you still get no less than two draft picks, giving you the ability to carry up to 7 prospects during a season - it gives managers with a keen eye on prospects a reward for having that eye, and it may very well help weaker teams move up the ladder a bit more quickly, depending on that keen eye.
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| | | 28 | Fosten
ID: 319161421
Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 04:16
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1. Yes/Undecided. 1a and 1b are not contingent.
-1a. Loud yes to using other team’s p-picks as p-slots, without exceeding allotments.
-1b. Undecided on keeping more prospects than allotted. Needs more discussion and a separate vote.
2. Yes, if this includes more p-draft rounds. 4/80 is also good.
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| | | 29 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 11:23
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I'm yes and yes, in case that hadn't been made clear previously. One thing to consider is what happens with prospects in the years after they are drafted. We want to make them a viable tool to be held by the team that drafted them until they are reasonably able to be among the team's 9 keepers. It was that spirit that led us to increase the AB limit from 150 to 300 - more likely that a player with 300 AB has established himself. This is the same - we're increasing the likelihood that you'll hold onto a guy you p-drafted, for that much longer. With that in mind, I have strong support for the first one.
I also support the second one, partially for the same reason (more likely I'll hold onto any given prospect if there are more slots). It also, as Species noted, makes this a more prospect centric league, which is something that I want. But I can understand if that's not unanimous.
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| | | 30 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 12:13
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I like 'votes', but I also want real discussion:
- WHAT PICK from another team would be required to keep more than 3 prospects? First rounder? Any?
- WHAT PICK from another team could "replace" a traded pick of yours and still be allowed to keep your own 3 prospects? It makes sense that it would need to be at least the same round....
- Suggested language is always appreciated, particularly with our prospect rules, which are kind of whacky at first.
Keep in mind that these changes would not take effect until the 2019 offseason / the 2020 prospect draft. And even then, we would need Guru to be comfortable with that, because he has already traded his 2020 1st round prospect pick.
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| | | 31 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 13:20
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No
No
Our prospect rules are already complicated. I’d rather just keep em simple. Adding more prospects makes it an even bigger pain when adding free agents. I also think it would hurt our FA pool.
From a personal perspective I don’t have much interest reading scouting reports on guys outside the top 100. I also would rather not have to pay to get access to expert opinions on fantasy prospects that are at low A.
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| | | 32 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 13:35
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I guess I'm late to the party. I usually only check this site at work (unless we're drafting), and I was off on Friday. For the record:
1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Yes
4.No (this decreases flexibility)
On prospects: Yes on 5 prospects. I love this.
The prospect pick rules have always confused me in this league. My suggestion: You can't ever have more than the max amount of prospects (whether that's 3 or 5). If a team trades for another first rounder and needs to draft two prospects, they get two picks in the first, and then they are done. The don't get extra prospects. Alternatively, if a team trades a first rounder, it simply starts it's draft in the second round, just like EVERY OTHER DRAFT EVER. It still has the right to it's max amount of prospects.
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| | | 33 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 14:53
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For discussion I just kind of assumed slotting players in would be handled like they are now - players are slotted into the latest picks. So take my 2019 prospects for example. I have 7 prospect picks and currently the rights to 4 prospects. I should simply be able to have them plugged in:
3.9 - derek fisher (my own actual pick)
2.14 - Christian arroyo
2.12 - michael chavis
2.10 - yadier alvarez
I then to get to pick in slots 1.9, 1.14 and 2.9
That's the way we do it now except for removing the rule against only using our own picks for keepers and the '3 max' rule. I've made the trades and given up other resources for these picks and players, its pretty silly actually that I can't actually keep them all if I so desire.
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| | | 34 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 19:45
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if Blue Hen and i agree on two rules, i think that should be enough for automatic approval.
so moved, so approved. :D
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| | | 35 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Tue, Oct 30, 2018, 09:59
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Re: 30:
No restrictions on picks. If you get 5 3rd rounders, you can use them all on keepers. Anything different is unnecessarily complicated.
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| | | 36 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 03:32
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I would have voted yes on all of these. I am glad to be part of the league. Feel free to reach out to me for trade proposals at the above email or at 206-948-5125.
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| | | 37 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Nov 01, 2018, 19:31
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Team Species players available report!
I have a variety of potentially valuable players on my major league roster that are up for discussion in trades this offseason:
Wander Franco, SS, TB is perhaps the crown jewel. He was the consensus #1 international signing in 2017, signing with the Rays at 16 years old for $3.825 million. Franco has the pedigree - his uncles are Erick and Willy Aybar, and his two older brothers (both also named Wander - be sure to find the right one) are also both pro ballplayers. As a 17 year old he bypassed the regular rookie league to play in the advanced rookie Appalachian League. All he did was hit .351 /.418/.587 as the 2nd youngest hitter in the league. He struck out only 19 times in 273 plate appearances. Compared to a young Francisco Lindor, Franco is an elite talent.
Of course, he is only 17 so this is a 2+ year wait. But for a talent this elite, it could be worth it for many teams. Some references:
Fangraphs Chat - 10/24/18: Does Wander Franco’s bat compare to Vladimir Guerrero Jr.?
Kiley McDaniel: Not quite as good, but closer than people think. And obviously the speed/defense/position is light years better
Baseball America 1
Baseball America 2
Razzball: Wander Franco, SS Tampa Bay Rays | Age: 17 | .351/.418/.587, 11 HR, 57 RBI, 4 SB, 159 wRC+
Possibly the biggest story in the second half of the minor league season, Franco, the 2017 International class’ top player, made a splashy stateside debut. The young switch-hitting infielder displayed a compact powerful swing particularity from the left-side, with uncanny control of the barrel, and natural power. Many believe he’ll likely move off short to second, but for now all of his starts in the field have come at short. Heading into the off-season he has pushed his way into the conversation for top 20 prospect with his performance in July and August. Needs to be owned in every dynasty league, is likely already owned in most.
Justus Sheffield, SP, NYY is ready for the majors, even if the Yankees hold him down for a few months in 2019. He posted an ERA of 2.53 and a whip of 1.16 in AA and AAA this year.
Amed Rosario, SS, NYM hit 9 HR with 51 RBI and 76 runs to go with 24 sb. Still young and needing work on his OBP, but a nice SS to build around.
Lourdes Gurriel, Jr, INF, TOR scorched through the summer before getting hurt, smacking 11 HR in 249 AB. Little brother of Yuli Gurriel, so great bloodlines (father played in Cuba's top league as well). 25 HR power in your infield is worth taking a look at.
Nick Williams, OF, PHI made strides in his first full major league season, lowering his K rate while increasing his walk rate to make strides in his plate discipline. Look up his stellar plate coverage stats on Fangraphs. He is ready for that 25+ HR season.
Brandon Lowe, 2b, TB smacked 6 HR in only 129 AB for another infielder with a 25 HR pace.
KeBryan Hayes, 3b, PIT and Yusniel Diaz, OF, BAL are highly ranked prospects on the verge of the majors. Diaz was the key prospect in the Manny Machado trade, and Hayes is the kid of Charlie Hayes.
As closers get signed, traded and appointed, I have a gaggle of them. Between Britton, Robertson, Strop, Hildenberger, Steckenrider and Barraclough I will have some closers to trade.
As always, I am planting the seeds now for discussions......but don't wait to start the conversation. I have almost always been a "bird in hand" guy, so don't assume I will wait until March on these guys - particularly Wander Franco.
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| | | 38 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Thu, Nov 01, 2018, 19:46
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hey, i drafted two of those guys! lol
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| | | 39 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Nov 01, 2018, 19:50
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I also have easily the most valuable collection of prospects on the prospect list in any year I can remember. Obviously these guys are very valuable and would not come cheap, but to fill in my major league roster I have to be open to trading them:
Victor Robles, OF, WAS is a consensus top 5 prospect. While he endured an unfortunate injury diving for a ball, Robles came back with authority late in the season, including hitting .288/.348/.525 in 61 late season plate appearances for the Nationals. Very high floor and ready for prime time. Easy 10th keeper.
Nick Senzel, CIN is a consensus top 10 prospect. If not for some fluky injuries he would have debuted with the Reds already. Hit .310/.378/.509 in AAA last year and is ready for the majors.
Keston Hiura, 2b, MIL was one of the top bats in the 2017 draft. His statistics from his final collegiate season speak directly to his potential at the plate -- he led the country in both batting average (.442) and OBP (.567) while adding 33 extra-base hits and walking more than he struck out over his 199 at-bats. Further demonstrating that he possesses a special bat, he posted a 1.033 OPS in his first professional season.
Hiura is destroying the Arizona Fall League so far, hitting .359/.417/.625 with 4 HR and a league leading 27 RBI (and 5 sb) in 15 games(!). He is already 22 years old so he too is close to the majors. Likely a mid-season callup by the Brewers.
Estevan Florial, OF, NYY is one of the rawest players in minor league baseball. He has 5 elite tools and his left-handed swing is tailor made for Yankee Stadium. But he is all projection at the moment because he is only 20 and needs to lower his strikeouts. If he breaks out and the performance matches the tools, he is an easy top 10 prospect next year. But he could also flame out - the ultimate boom or bust type guy.
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| | | 40 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 06, 2018, 12:14
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From ProspectsLive's TB top prospects list:
1. Wander Franco, SS
Age: 17 (3/1/01)
Level: Adv. Rookie
.351/.418/.571, 11 HR, .236 ISO, 159 wRC+, 9.9% BB, 7% K, 4 SB
Franco is an impressive hitter with elite bat-to-ball skills, double plus bat speed, and a mature eye. The tools scream future .300 hitter with plus power. His swing is short, compact, and explosive. His swing is balanced, allowing him to barrel pitches consistently. The hit tool is an easy 70 with 70 game power at peak. That means we are looking at impact bat. .300 with 30+ HR. Defensively, he can stick up the middle with a switch to second base, but like Vlad Jr. position doesn’t matter. The bat is that special.
In order to stick at short, Franco will need to improve his footwork and reads. His arm is average which plays up a tick at the keystone. ETA: 2021
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| | | 41 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Nov 06, 2018, 22:16
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Let the games begin!!!
We have our first off season trade:
Fosten Trades: S-Pick 3.9
Khahan Trades: P-Pick 2.10 (Fosten’s original) & S-Pick 14.10
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| | | 42 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Tue, Nov 06, 2018, 22:21
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Confirmed.
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| | | 43 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 11:07
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Shots fired!
A note for new teams: trades can be consummated year-around. All trades announced and confirmed on this board are final.....even if later a player in that trade becomes injured or his value is negatively affected.
While I do not believe you can execute trades in ESPN, it does appear that I currently have the ability to complete a trade with Commish powers.....
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| | | 44 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 23:06
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Let’s keep this party rockin!
Trade Announcement
Fosten trades
Yu Darvish
slizz trades
Gregory Polanco
Jesus Sanchez (p)
Trade Announcement
Fosten trades
2020 1st round Prospect Pick
S-Pick 2.9
S-Pick 6.9
Thumqer trades
Mitch Keller (p)
S-Pick 4.4
S-Pick 5.13
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| | | 46 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Nov 07, 2018, 23:20
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Confirmed. The 5th round pick I am trading is Species’ pick originally.
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| | | 47 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 00:25
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As far as the prospect conversation goes - I vote yes for an increase, even if only from three to four prospects. Five is a good number, too. This constitution and the league's long history is impressive, and I respect the respect given it and to its creators, but then again deep prospects weren't nearly as valued even as little as 10 years ago in the way they are now. Nothing wrong with a little progressive action, in my opinion. Being new here, I'd need to see a few pros and cons to vote with any confidence on the first prospect proposal.
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| | | 48 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 02:12
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Confirmed
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| | | 49 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 12:29
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I'd need to see a few pros and cons to vote with any confidence on the first prospect proposal.
Here's the system and how it works now:
You have Nick Gordon, Brent Honeywell, and Forest Whitley as your prospects. You also have 3 rounds of prospect picks so you can either release all 3 prospects and get 3 new ones, keep all 3 prospects and get no new picks or do any # in between.
However, if you trade away a pick, you only have 2 spots so you can only keep 2 of those 3 prospects. If you get a prospect pick back in a trade and now have 3 picks - you can still only keep 2 because you cannot use that pick for a prospect.
The proposed change would allow you to use that newly acquired pick to keep all 3 of your prospects.
To be honest I see no pros to the current system. I believe part of its original intent was to stop a manager from hoarding prospects. But personally I see it as an unnecessary restriction. I'll let somebody who likes the current system explain the pros they see in it.
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| | | 50 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 12:31
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Nice! I am going to need to push the gas pedal on some of my talks......I am getting jealous.
Clarifications on offseason trading:
- Approval of offseason trades are at the discretion of the commissioner. If a trade appears to be out of balance and worthy of discussion, I could put it to a vote if I prefer to.
- I do have the power currently to push trades through ESPN. Who knows how long that lasts, and then in February-ish ESPN brings the site down for several weeks as they prepare to re-launch.
- Now that the draft grid is finalized, lotteries run, etc. - just noting the pick numbers (as teams have done so far - great!) for 2019 pick trades is all you need to do (and greatly preferred).
- Please note that ALL of the rule changes that we voted on in October have all passed and are all immediately in effect (even though I need to author the wording and add it to our Constitution). Noteworthy is the trade of injured players Gregory Polanco and Yu Darvish. Our new rules allow any keeper player that goes on the DL to be housed in a new DL slot for 2019.
Loving this early offseason action. Best of luck to all teams.
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| | | 51 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 13:22
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I agree with Khahan in 49. I think he explained it well and I don't see any pros to the the current system. I do think it should be enacted in March 2020, since some managers have been hoarding (or not hoarding) 2019 p picks. And 2020 p picks, for that matter.
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| | | 52 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 14:13
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Okay, I have added the following to our Constitution and labeled it as Key League Settings. The addition of 3 SP slots, IP/GP maximums (never defined in the Constitution previously, but have been a part of the league settings on our websites) and the DL slot rules have been added.
I made an executive decision / interpretation in regards to the DL slot. It was my interpretation that our intent of the rule was to give franchises the ability to store keepers (who may have significant / year-ending injuries in particular) while adding the flexibility of adding replacement FAs in order to meet GP and IP minimums. In that vein, while the eligibility for DL slots should reasonably continue despite a keeper being TRADED, it is my opinion that an injured keeper who has been released to the FA pool should NOT be eligible for our DL slot.
If anyone has a differing opinion, I am happy to hear it.
Key League Settings:
Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 SP - 3 P - 6
Active - 18; Bench - 5; Total - 23
Games Played and Innings Pitched Maximums:
There is a maximum of 165 games played per position player
There is a maximum total of 1350 innings pitched (note - the mechanics of the ESPN site allow for the counting of any additional innings pitched on the day that a team exceeds 1350 IP)
Disabled List / "DL" slots:
Three DL slots will be allowed for use. Eligibility for these slots are designated for use ONLY for players kept in any team's 9 keepers at the beginning of the current season. This eligibility is carried with the player even if acquired via trade. This eligibility is NOT carried with the player if they are acquired via the FA pool or waiver wire.
Normal rules for DL slots are followed. Specifically:
- They must be noted as "DL" by the ESPN fantasy site. Published news from online sources (including ESPN game stories) are insufficient.
- Once they are activated from the DL, teams have 3 days to move the player to their active roster
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| | | 53 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 14:15
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Speaking of prospect picks and hording them -
I still have 6. I'm willing to trade 1 or 2 for a 2020 prospect pick. Or I'm willing to trade multiple for a keeper.
Also willing to trade any of my prospects or players (except Bregman and Nola).
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| | | 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 14:28
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Reposting in this thread for convenience.
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| | | 55 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 14:29
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| | | 56 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Nov 08, 2018, 22:30
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Didi Gregorius is available. Also looking to deal, Rodon, Flaherty, Folty, And/or Reyes. Would prefer to do a Didi + pitcher for a hitter.
Also have Wade Davis available for cheap.
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| | | 58 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Nov 09, 2018, 14:21
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looking to make moves too.
most players not named Aguilar, Torres, Andujar, and Judge are available.
this includes Sal Perez, Dansby Swanson, and a whole slew of pitchers.
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| | | 59 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Fri, Nov 09, 2018, 15:57
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Definitely looking to move Archer or Paxton (or both) if you need pitching. Could package with guys like McCutchen, Elvis, or Nimmo for a stud hitter.
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| | | 60 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Fri, Nov 09, 2018, 22:50
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Thank you, Khahan, for the explanation in Post 49. For the record, my vote is Yes on each of the prospect proposals.
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| | | 61 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 11:34
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I have a wide variety of young promising players, almost all are available. Hit me up for a trade!
Onto the prospect conversation, I have wanted the ability to trade for a prospect pick for the purpose of keeping a prospect. For those who aren’t super into prospects, think of it as a way to make your prospect picks more valuable when trading them to rebuilding teams. That rebuilding team will want your picks even more!
I also am in favor of adding prospects, however the ability to keep a prospect in an acquired pick is top on my priorities
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| | | 62 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 19:56
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Re #52
I was under the impression the added SP slots were meant to be instead of 6 P, so 3 SP, 3 P. Was I wrong on this?
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| | | 63 | Species
ID: 351051122
Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 23:05
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62: I didn't word that very well.....but if you review the discussion in the old thread,yes, it was to be additional spots available for pitching.
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| | | 64 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 13:16
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In all honestly, the 9 P rule mostly impacts relievers. At one point, I had four current closers. On days when I had 3 SP going, I had to bench one. That's probably the biggest change we'll see here, not needing to bench pitchers.
It does impact the last day of a team's available innings - I think the current record for IP is 1427, now it could go to 1440 or so... except that we just lowered the IP limit.
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| | | 65 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 19:44
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Anybody know the best way to contact Jay of the Chicago White Sox? I tried via the ESPN league site but I'm not sure he got the message. It's been a few days. Does he have a direct email address?
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| | | 66 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 20:38
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Trade Announcement
Lyman Bostock Ten trades
6th round supplemental (pick 6.3)
Fort Worth House Martins trades
Jesse Winker
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| | | 67 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 21:18
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confirmed.
i actually can't remember if i've got to include a return pick, per league rules.
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| | | 68 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 11:43
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67: No, there is no requirement to give a pick in return. It is unusual not to do so, since (barring a post-keeper trade that leaves you short players) you would have to just forfeit a pick at the end of the draft anyway.
You may mutually decide to adjust your trade to provide a return pick if you wish. But you are under no obligation to do so.
PS -- since I am processing offseason trades in ESPN (while I still can), I DO need all teams to designate any dropped players, if necessary. I have texted Stan to let me know who he is dropping.
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| | | 69 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 12:55
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66: Trade processed and dropped Anibal Sanchez per your instructions.
67: Trade now includes Tree's 14.07 (last pick) per text confirmation.
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| | | 70 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 13, 2018, 16:06
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PLEASE NOTE:
With Guru having posted the Draft Grids in Google docs, I can now edit there and have it refresh in Posts 54 and 55 automatically! Yahoooooo!
But teams will soon have to refresh "up" by looking at the older posts......but this is way more efficient, so thanks Guru!
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| | | 71 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 10:31
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How did nerfherders end up with prospect pick 1.9? I dont remember trading away that pick and can't find a record of it in this thread or any of the 2018/2017 threads.
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| | | 72 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 13:53
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Oh.. I think that might because of the results of the lottery?
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| | | 73 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 14:04
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Trade Announcement
Fosten trades
Stephen Piscotty
Khahan trades
Michael Chavis (p)
P-Pick 2.12
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| | | 74 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 14:17
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73 - confirmed
I'm very happy to get Piscotty. I really think the tear he went on in the second half is more of a sign of things to come than just a small hot streak. Looking at his 2019 to be akin to Ozuna's 2017 season.
post 72 - would that mean that mean that 1.11 is my normal regular pick then?
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| | | 75 | Species
ID: 351051122
Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 22:34
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71: You had demerits
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| | | 76 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 23:04
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75 - without demerits I should have had the 8th pick overall. With demerits since I didn't trade away any of my picks, shouldn't I have a full row of picks? Shouldn't my prospect grid look like Greggo's where my name is in the same slot for rounds 1-3?
If my natural prospect picks are 2.9 and 3.9 I'm just not seeing anything that tells my why I'm also not 1.9 (actually I'm not sure why my natural pick isn't 10th).
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| | | 77 | Species
ID: 351051122
Wed, Nov 14, 2018, 23:27
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76:youngroman leapfrogged you in the lottery. :)
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| | | 78 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 16:32
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76: My apologies. You are 100% right.
Before demerits, you would have been slotted 8th. After demerits, you went down to 10th. It was correct in the Supplemental but incorrect on the Prospect grid.
You now appropriately show as 11th in round 1 (due to youngroman's lottery results) and 10th in successive rounds.
Your trade was processed as well.
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| | | 79 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 17:17
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78 - haha, thanks. I realize I cost myself 2 slots overall, but glad to have it right regardless.
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| | | 80 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Nov 15, 2018, 20:56
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Is there a better way of reaching Beastiemike and ScruffyLookin' Nerfherders than by messaging thru the ESPN league site? Trying to get a thumbs up or thumbs down on some trade offers.
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| | | 81 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 14:27
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
ScruffyLookin' Nerfherders acquires:
Lyman Bostock Ten's 9th rounder (pick 9.3)
Lyman Bostock Ten acquires:
Lewis Brinson &
ScruffyLookin' Nerfherders' 12th rounder (pick 12.8)
Lyman Bostock drops Mike Fiers to clear roster spot for Brinson.
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| | | 82 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 16:49
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btw, for my acquisition of piscotty, please drop spencer turnbull
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| | | 83 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 19:43
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All trades and corresponding drops have been documented and executed.
Everyone keep it up!
Greggo had better step up - Lyman is ahead of him 2 trades to 1.
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| | | 84 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Fri, Nov 16, 2018, 19:54
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81 Confirmed
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| | | 85 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sat, Nov 17, 2018, 16:37
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ATTN: Team mjd and Mighty Meatwads:
If you see this post, please check your email as I have sent trade proposals via the ESPN league site. In advance, I appreciate your attention to this. Thanks, Stan
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| | | 86 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 14:24
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
FOSTEN TRADES
David Dahl
Michael Chavis (p)
S-Pick 11.9
S-Pick 12.19
LYMAN TRADES
S-Pick 1.1
S-Pick 10.3
P-Pick 2.3
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| | | 87 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 14:28
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Confirmed.
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| | | 88 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 14:55
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
DARKSIDE OF THE MOON TRADES
Luke Voit
Sup Draft Pick 13.6
LYMAN BOSTOCK TEN TRADES
Sup Draft Pick 4.3
Justin Bour
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| | | 89 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 15:08
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Confirmed.
Thanks for the easy trade, Lyman!
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| | | 90 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 15:43
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I'm looking to acquire starting pitching. I have 3 top-100 players available in trade. Will combine players in the right deal.
1. Aroldis - A possible 50+ saves on another 100+ wins Yankees team. Sky-high K/9 to go along with microscopic ratios. Still a top-5 closer.
2. Jean Segura - Still only 28 years old and consistently provides solid numbers across the board.
3. Ender Inciarte - Oft-overlooked outfielder that can deliver 25-to-30 steals and 90 runs while not cratering your HR totals. Had a .350 OBP in 2016 and 2017 before BABIP dropped a whopping 46 points in 2018, leading to a decline in AVG and OBP. It's reasonable to expect that number to stabilize in 2019, and having Acuna, Freeman, Albies and likely another big name free agent in the same lineup is a nice bonus. Just turned 28, so still in his prime and his defense keeps him in the lineup even in the event of a slump.
Also available are multi-positional standouts: Eduardo Escobar, Ari 3B, SS, DH
Marwin Gonzalez, FA 1B, 2B, SS, OF
Will include Escobar and Marwin in deals to acquire a starting pitcher, or in deals to acquire draft picks.
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| | | 91 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 18:54
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Munson Mobsters Black Friday Sales Flyer
Ownership is looking to make some changes. Attitudes will be adjusted. Heads will roll. The loud music in the clubhouse, partying until dawn, and wild plane rides are over. The fanbase seeks a return to basic trade fundamentals: hitting, pitching, prospects, p-picks, and s-picks; not sandwiches and liquor. We are celebrating the success of our recent World Series Hangover Sale, with an even bigger special Black Friday Bonanza Sale on the following merchandise!
- Justin Upton - 31yo. 80/30/85/8/.344 in 533AB. 3 straight 30 HR seasons.
- Gregory Polanco - 27yo. 75/23/81/12/.340 in 461AB. Perfect for the new keeper DL.
- Mallex Smith - 25yo - 40SB/.367 in 480 AB. 3 minors seasons: 64SB/.367, 88SB/.403, 57SB/.373
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| | | 92 | Species
ID: 351051122
Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 19:06
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It has been noted that there has been a strange change in the league standings.....I noticed that too and have no conclusion other that perhaps the trades I have made have somehow whacked up the league site somehow.
Regardless, we are sticking with the posted standings from immediately after the season as our official final standings for 2018. All successive tie breaking coin flips are also final.
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| | | 93 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 06:46
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i have bee#1 supp pick. feel to beat it. serenoart@yahoo.com or 206-948-5125.
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| | | 94 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 07:04
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i have been offered 2 really good keeper mlb players that i love for my #1 prospect pick. wanna beat it?.
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| | | 95 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 07:43
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hey Lyman. what's your emai/phone #? Wanna talk trade. email: serenoart@yahoo.com; phone: 206-948-5125. let's talk
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| | | 96 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 07:52
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How's this for a new guy proposal: post all teams/manager's phone #s/emails for ease of trade activity? Just say'n.....
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| | | 97 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 10:34
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Email linked here. If you want my ph# just email me a request and I'll send it over. A good many already have it though.
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| | | 98 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 14:34
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As soon as I hear from Lyman as to who he is dropping, I will get Dahl onto his roster. Otherwise, all trades have been processed, picks noted in the constitution, and trades executed on the draft grid. As always, please review for accuracy.
I also sent a leaguewide email to ask that everyone provide their preferred contact information. This is most specifically to the new managers, but if you have new info it would be beneficial to post more publicly. But I leave that to you - I refuse to post publicly for you for your own privacy.
The new managers are jumping in feet first - a great upgrade to the silence between November and February. Do not lose out because you cannot be contacted!
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| | | 99 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 15:02
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Lyman - I just responded to your email. Thanks for reaching out. I just talked with Greggo last night also! It's good to have some new managers who like baseball so much.
I'm starting to get some serious trade talks going, so I want to let the early birds know this would be a good time to contact me. I feel comfortable saying I have more than 9 keepers at the moment, but I am open to shifting some positions around. Maybe trading some of my depth for future considerations. Mega blockbusters. I'm about as flexible as someone who can't touch their toes can be.
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| | | 100 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 15:10
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Open to trade talks as well!
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| | | 101 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 22:08
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Trade Announcement
Lyman Bostock Ten trades
Jean Segura, SS, SEA
S-pick 11.03
Meatwads trades
Luis Castillo, SP, CIN
S-pick 6.18
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| | | 102 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 22:15
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101. Confirmed
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| | | 103 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 09:35
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Dear G20 - if anyone is interested in David Dahl, you'll be able to trade him for S pick 1.01 and a 2nd round p-pick in November. Let me know - I'm looking to trade him for healthy players.
(post from July)
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| | | 104 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 15:45
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I like sarcasm a good bit, but not sure I understand it in relation to the Dahl acquisition. Yes, he's been prone to injury, but when looking at the last four G20 No. 1 overall picks - Faria, King Felix, McCullers (talk about injury prone) and a 35-year-old Matt Holliday - history shows that possessing the top overall pick isn't a lock to provide any value whatsoever, let alone a 25-year-old with 30HR power and playing in the thin air of Colorado. As far as the 23rd overall pick in the prospect draft ... meh. I still possess P-1.4 (Stud Prospect), Whitley and Honeywell (TJ Surgery already out of the way!). And Chavis is likely as good or better than anything I was getting at P-2.3. Not crazy about designating him a 10th keeper, but this team is in rebuild and was never going to compete in 2019 anyway. Moreover, if keepers were announced today, 8-of-my-9 will be 28 or younger in 2019, so I feel I've got enough youth to get by for a year with only two players in the minors (Honeywell and Stud Prospect 1.4).
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| | | 105 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 00:45
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I owned Dahl when he was injured sand tried to trade him, but no one wanted him.
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| | | 106 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Mon, Nov 26, 2018, 15:53
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Looking to package something from Archer, Nimmo, Elvis, McCutchen, and closers (likely Seranthony or LeClerc) for the best hitter I can get. If you've got room for multiple guys, let's talk.
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| | | 107 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 03:17
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
GREGGO RECEIVES
Ender Inciarte
Eduardo Escobar
Supp Draft Pick 5.3
LYMAN RECEIVES
Gary Sanchez
Supp Draft Pick 12.1
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| | | 108 | GreggoRomans
ID: 271058272
Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 03:58
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Confirm. Drop Sonny Gray
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| | | 109 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 15:06
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107 / 108 -- noted and processed
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| | | 110 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 19:56
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** Trade Announcement **
Lyman Bostock 10 receives:
Michael Conforto
Wander Franco
Amed Rosario
Species' 11.15
Endangered Species receives:
Aroldis Chapman
Jonathan Villar
Lyman's 2.03
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| | | 111 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 20:01
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re: 110 Confirmed
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| | | 112 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 21:06
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I'm always down to talk trade, but would need to be blown away to move Giancarlo or Bryant. Just a heads up. :-)
Lyman - Dont worry about blue hen. He's a good dude, but what I would call an acquired taste. Lol
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| | | 113 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Wed, Nov 28, 2018, 23:59
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Acquired taste! Well said. I play with Blue Hen in another keeper league, so I am well aware of his biting sarcasm and am mostly conditioned to his recurring smart-ass remarks. :) So I know to take David with a grain of salt and, in fact, we've been exchanging texts over the last few days. He wants badly to make trades, and I think it might be ruffling his blue hen feathers that I've managed to make seven deals this month and somehow left him out on all the fun!!! :)
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| | | 114 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Thu, Nov 29, 2018, 10:57
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(insert witty comment here)
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| | | 115 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 07:19
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Thumper trades:
Travis Shaw
P-pick 1.10
P-pick 1.20
S-Pick 13.04
Greggo trades
P-pick 1.01
S-Pick 1.03
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| | | 116 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 11:49
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Confirm. Drop Addison Russell.
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| | | 117 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 13:15
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still in the market for some players, particularly interested in speed.
Torres, Judge, Andujar, and Aguilar aren't available, but most of the rest of my roster is.
i've had some offers for Jameson Taillon, but as he's a top 60 dynasty player, it has to be the right deal for me to take it.
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| | | 118 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 13:19
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Love this aggression!!!!!
This is no doubt a record number of trades this early in the offseason. Okay, the new teams perhaps had the most to do, but I cannot tell you how pleased I am to see so many teams involved in making deals. Keep it up!
All trades have been entered and the draft grids have been updated. Keep in mind, they are up in posts 54 and 55, so you have to click on the little link to see all of the posts in this thread.
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| | | 119 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 19:15
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Prospect Rule Change Discussion
It has been up to me to craft a sample set of possible wording to update our prospect rules. It has been suggested to allow the use of acquired picks in more ways than we use now. To that end, I offer the following wording as a base for our discussions. Please use these to form your debate one way or the other, as well as offer suggestions to provide better clarity and/or to tighten the wording to avoid any possible loopholes.
I am adapting the existing rules to this "slot" concept as best I can. For purposes of THIS discussion, we are assuming that we are keeping the "3 prospects per team" / 60 prospect maximum. Any consideration of increasing that number should have no bearing on this proposed change.
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Keeper Deadline
At a time announced by the Commissioner, all managers have prospect slots equal to the sum of 3 plus any additional prospect slots you have acquired from other teams. You may use a prospect slot to either:
1) Retain an existing prospect
2) For use in trade to another team
3) For use in the upcoming prospect draft
Managers will announce what prospects they intend to keep on the prospect list, which prospects they are releasing, and (if applicable) which prospects they are calling up and releasing (see below).
All hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP to remain a prospect. Otherwise, they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.
Assignment of Prospect Picks:
After declaration of kept, released or called up prospects, Managers are assigned new prospect picks dependent upon how many prospects they kept - with the total sum of kept prospects and new picks limited to the total number of prospect slots you own.
If an owner has traded away one of their prospect picks, they must reduce their kept prospects to stay within the number of prospect slots they own. See "if you have traded away a pick", below.
Processing of Traded Prospect Picks:
After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded picks:
If you have traded away a slot: Any team that has traded away a slot must comply with the terms of their trade. Depending upon whether you own any other team's slots, this may reduce the total number of prospects you may retain on the prospect list. As with any trade, if an owner trades away a pick/slot in a round that they do not own, the receiving party receives a pick/slot of a higher round to satisfy their trade.
If you have traded for a pick: Acquired slots may be used to retain an existing prospect or for use as a new prospect pick.
(the rest of the rules remain the same)
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Hopefully I have worded this clearly. While I have perfect clarity of what I am trying to do, that comes from my intimate knowledge of the mechanics in the first place. Please do not hesitate to ask ANY question as we discuss the proposal.
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| | | 120 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 19:18
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Please offer your comments and whether you are likely to be in favor or against the proposal. Please offer any suggestions for improvement of wording, and provide your questions about why the proposed rules do not clarify sufficiently certain possibilities.
This is not an official vote.
NOTE: if eventually passed, the EARLIEST this would go into effect would be the 2020 prospect draft. Even then, I would give Guru and Fosten complete veto authority. Each have traded away a 1st rounder and should have the right to have this rule change punted to 2021 if they felt it was too disadvantageous.
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| | | 121 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 20:40
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Hard no. Will eliminate parity as we know it in this league.
Ref established that rule of 3 to prevent the excessive hoarding of prospects. The tankfests that will inevitably occur, in my opinion, will be bad for G20’s future.
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| | | 122 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 00:14
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Hard yes as written. However I'd be willing to entertain something like, "Acquired slots may be used to retain an existing prospect or for use as a new prospect pick to a max of 5 prospects kept"
I cap like that should help alleviate the fears some have of teams tanking but still allow a team who put resources into a prospect the opportunity to keep him at least 1 season.
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| | | 123 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 01:17
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I guess this proves I never understood the prospect rules in this league, because I don't what's different in the proposal, from the current rules.
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| | | 124 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 09:06
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123- current rules - if you acquire another teams prospect pick, that pick cannot be used to keep a player. New rule - if you acquire another teams prospect pick, that pick CAN be used to keep a player.
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| | | 125 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 09:30
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I’m a yes for the proposal, and would be willing to cap it at 5 as Khahan suggested if it meant getting it accross the line. As a rebuilding team I’ve found this rule to limit what I can do to try and rebuild quickly since I can only retain so many prospects. As we know with prospects, so many of them flame out and never end up productive either so it’s sometimes a numbers game. As a team at the bottom of the standings, it’s also not feasible to keep 3 prospects at the deadline as my 1st round prospect pick is high... meaning I may have good prospects to finally vault me out of a rebuild but I have to choose which among them I can actually keep. I could just 10th Keeper them but then that’s not a competitive MLB team keeping minor leaguers regularly on the MLB team. It’s with this limitation that I find it hard to rebuild quickly, and if I were able to hold & graduate more prospects now I would feel that I obtained the young core necessary to push my team harder into competition.
Long story short, as a rebuilding team I might “hoard” the picks but I am only doing it so I can finally graduate out of this phase to be a competitor.
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| | | 126 | Tree
ID: 217372011
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 10:23
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I may have missed it reading above - if you trade away a slot, is that just for the upcoming and or current season, or until you reacquire a spot via a different transaction?
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| | | 127 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 20:09
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121: Yes, holding / hording prospects over 3 is possible if not probable. However, there is a cost each time. You have to give value to get extra prospects (or slots) in the first place.....then you have to AGAIN give value to gain more slots if you want to continue holding those prospects additional years.
To me, it is just another mechanism to leverage value. To those that do not value prospects as much, the slot concept adds value to that currency.
126: trading mechanism is no different really. You trade a slot away it is for the year you make it. It is not a permanent slot. They key is in the beginning:
"Keeper Deadline
At a time announced by the Commissioner, all managers have prospect slots equal to the sum of 3 plus any additional prospect slots you have acquired from other teams."
Your slots get reset each year just like they do now. I probably should add some wording to explain that a traded slot is only good for the year for which it is traded.
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| | | 128 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 20:17
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Perhaps adding something like this:
Processing of Traded Prospect Picks/Slots:
After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded picks:
If you have traded away a slot: Any team that has traded away a slot must comply with the terms of their trade. Depending upon whether you own any other team's slots, this may reduce the total number of prospects you may retain on the prospect list. As with any trade, if an owner trades away a pick/slot in a round that they do not own, the receiving party receives a pick/slot of a higher round to satisfy their trade.
The trade of a slot is only valid in the year noted in the trade. To continue to retain prospects in excess of 3, teams must reacquire new slots as appropriate.
If you have traded for a pick: Acquired slots may be used to retain an existing prospect or for use as a new prospect pick.
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| | | 129 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Dec 01, 2018, 22:24
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Seems very wordy and overly complicated. Why not something simple like:
Each team starts the draft with 3 prospect slots and may use these slots to draft up to 3 prospect eligible players or keep up to 3 prospect eligible players drafted a prior year.
Trading away or trading for extra slots can alter the maximum number of players kept or drafted.
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| | | 130 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 03:50
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Trade Announcement
Meatwads trade :
Aaron Hicks, OF, NYY
Charlie Morton, SP, HOU
S-pick 7.12
S-pick 7.18
S-pick 7.19
Last two S-picks (2020)
Greggo trades :
P-pick 1.10
Last three S-picks
S-pick - 5th round (2020)
S-pick - 6th round (2020)
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| | | 131 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 03:55
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Confirm. Drop A. Jones and V. Arano.
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| | | 132 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 13:47
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Question: I've been in the league for years and still don't get this.
If I trade 2 of my 3 prospects (not picks), do I also relinquish those picks, so I only get to keep 1 prospect? Do I then have to wait until the traded-to team calls up or releases those prospects to get the picks back?
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| | | 133 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 14:27
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132: No. What the other team does with those prospects is immaterial to your situation.
At the prospect keeper deadline, each team chooses their keepers. They get new picks equal to three less any prospects they keep.
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| | | 134 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 20:27
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Trade Announcement
Fosten trades
7.9
8.9
10.9
Nerfherders trades
Luiz Gohara (p)
Kolby Allard (p)
6.8
13.8
14.8
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| | | 135 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Mon, Dec 03, 2018, 20:30
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Confirmed
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| | | 136 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 13:22
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Greg-Gregg trade
Khahan
trades Cesar Hernandez to Greggo Romans
Greggo Romans
trades Maikel Franco to Khahan
This may be the first time in league history 2 Gregs traded 2 players from the same big league team.
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| | | 137 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 13:44
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Should have included me - I have Nick Williams!
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| | | 138 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 13:51
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Heh, too bad Guru turned down my Donaldson for Jose Ramirez deal in August!
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| | | 139 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 14:58
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137 - we joked about a way to bring you into the offer. But I'm willing to modify it for an even more historic trade how's this:
Species Greg sends
Nick Williams of the Phillies to Khahan Greg
Khahan Greg sends
Nick Williams of the Phillies and Cesar Hernandez of the Phillies to Romans Greg
Romans Greg sends
Nick Williams of the Phillies to Species Greg and Maikel Franco of the Phillies to Khahan Greg
The cycle is complete - the first and probably only ever Tri-Greg/Phillies trade in fantasy sports history.
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| | | 140 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 15:13
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Confirm. The Greg(g) trade consortium is complete
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| | | 141 | Tree
ID: 217372011
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 15:40
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Nick Williams certainly gets around.
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| | | 142 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 15:47
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He was very unhappy with the Roman clubhouse decor. So, we sent him back home.
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| | | 143 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 15:48
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He was very unhappy with the Roman clubhouse decor. So, we sent him back home.
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| | | 144 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 16:34
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Redundancy is a Roman trait. I'm kinda tired. 4 trades in a week involving 28 different parts. You guys are wearing me ou. :-)
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| | | 145 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 16:51
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141 - Well, Greg really thought he was a key part of trade. But Greg wasn't sure about giving him up. And Greg was very happy to get him back.
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| | | 146 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 17:27
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139: Plus cash considerations. Don't forget those!
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| | | 147 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Dec 05, 2018, 21:47
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Guys I have JP Crawford of the Ph... nevermind
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| | | 148 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 14:56
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even prior to this trade, during the 2018, Nick Williams was:
1. drafted by the Fort Worth House Martins (me)
2. Added by Blue Hen (and then dropped by him the same night, in one of his signature moves)
3. Added by the Chicago White Sox
4. Traded from the White Sox to Species.
so, 4 different franchises for him during the 2018 regular season
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| | | 149 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 00:16
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Clearly Nick Williams is a slut.
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| | | 150 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 12:19
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I have been making inquiries around, dangling my prospects in possible scenarios. I think my problem is that I have been so in tuned to the latest news of their development (the Top 10 prospects by team lists that are coming out) that I hold them in too high esteem. I think only after all of the BIG prospect lists come (Baseball America, ESPN's Keith Law, etc) will the stove really heat up for them.
That said, the laudatory praises of my Big Three just keep coming in:
Victor Robles, via ProspectsLive.com:
He caught fire at the end of August and rode the wave of success during an impressive September call-up. Over 66 plate appearances late in the season, Robles hit .288/.348/.525 with 3 homers, 3 doubles, a triple, and 3 stolen bases. Exactly the type of production many have foreseen from Robles for years.
I’ve long comped him to Starling Marte. A player with tons of raw tools, but a contact and speed-first approach with the ability to hit for gap power or turn on mistakes when tasked. The power projection is often the point of contention with Robles’ future outlook. His swing and setup are certainly more geared toward contact, but it’s easy to dream on 20 or more homers when observing his bat speed, natural loft, and good use of his lower half. He uses a toned down leg kick, that helps him really extend his front leg, and get excellent drive with his back leg. I think there’s plus power at peak. He’s a 70 everywhere else on the scorecard, an easy 70 runner, with a 70 glove, and a 70 arm. It will be interesting to see how thing shakeout, but the possibility of a Robles, Soto, Harper outfield for the next 6-7 years sounds pretty good. The upside of an all-world superstar, the floor of an average table-setter with an above-average glove.
Nick Senzel, also via Prospectslive.com
Three words, seventy hit tool. That’s not a joke either, outside Vladimir Guerrero Jr. we might be talking about the best hit tool in the minors the past 24 months. He’s short to the ball, with plus bat speed, show no issue with using the whole field. His power is above average at the moment with a hint toward possibly more ceiling to come in the power department. He balances patience and aggressiveness well in his approach, working counts but rarely passing on a pitch he feels he can hit. Senzel’s running is above average for a third baseman and about average for an outfielder, he is however an excellent base stealer, adding to the overall offensive profile. A future 6-WAR player through and through. If Senzel can shake the bad luck that’s followed him, he’s all but guaranteed a lot of time at the MLB level in 2019.
Keston Hiura, via Razzball:
All he did was win MVP honors in the Arizona Fall League over some guy named Vladimir Guerrero Jr. You can’t do much better than what Hiura did this fall. To go along with the league-leading 33 RBI, the 22-year-old hit .323 with five homers and seven steals. His ETA is 2019, and his 70-grade hit tool should play immediately. The only question is how much playing time he’ll see and/or if he has a real chance to win a gig out of spring training. It’s hard to imagine Arcia going anywhere, and Schoop is your current clubhouse leader for the keystone, but man this kid can hit.
......and in a later Razzball articles after the releases of Billy Hamilton and Jonathan Schoop, Hiura and Senzel topped their list of prospects who saw their fortunes rise the most so far this offseason.
My challenge is that I do not need 2 or 3 guys for one of these players. I need to combine them to upgrade one of my own. Or for a top flight SP after keepers are done. Something along those lines.
Never too early to begin the conversation (or too late to pick an old one back up!). As these guys continue to be publicized and the news of their 2019 opportunities only clarifies, they won't get cheaper!
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| | | 151 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 12:54
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"There's a lot of talk about Keston Hiura" says the guy talking about Keston Hiura.
That said, Hiura is pretty great, and you should trade for him.
You should also trade for Brandon Nimmo. As seen on ESPN's Sortable Stats page (built by a gurupie!), the top five players 25 and under, sorted by BB/PA in 2018: Juan Soto, Kyle Schwarber, Ian Happ, Brandon Nimmo, Jesse Winker.
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| | | 152 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Dec 07, 2018, 13:13
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151: Besides me adding in the first sentence of the Hiura blurb, every word on these prospects is quoted from the source noted.
I like Nimmo too! Just no room for him.
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| | | 153 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Dec 08, 2018, 00:08
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Thumper trades Scott Kingery
Khahan trades prospect pick 1.14
Khahan to confirm
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| | | 154 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Dec 08, 2018, 00:39
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Confirmed 153. Please drop Jorge Alfaro from my roster to make room for Kingery.
Guess I wasnt done w/ the Phillies after all.
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| | | 155 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Dec 09, 2018, 16:48
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@Khahan, don't stop now. I got Phillies aplenty for sale.
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| | | 156 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 21:57
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Slow day at the winter meetings when Tyson Ross' 1-year deal with the lowly Tigers is the big story. Hopefully this means we get two days worth of Hot Stove action tomorrow.
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| | | 157 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 15:01
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Speaking of Phils, I've got Andrew McCutchen to trade!
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| | | 158 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 15:54
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FWIW, I've put Kyle Schwarber on the block. He's my favorite player, and a young star with walks, power, and postseason magic, so you better come strong.
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| | | 159 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 20:54
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Ok Theo.
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| | | 160 | GO
ID: 578392522
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 09:55
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Sure wish I had some Phillies to trade. Only have guys like Arenado, Carlos Martinez, Javy Baez, Devers for sale. Looking for a big time OF.
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| | | 161 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 15:58
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Go's Gaslight Anthem. I'm in the market to make a trade. Offer already extended, so please check email. Thanks!
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| | | 162 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 17:41
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It has been pointed out to me that the Mariners and A's have a 2-game, regular season series in Japan on March 20th and 21st. The "regular" opening day is March 28th.
Last year's Opening Day was March 29th, and we used the following schedule:
- Keepers due Friday March 9th, Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Saturday March 10th, Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Sunday March 10th, Noon ET
- Supplemental draft opens Tuesday March 13th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Wednesday March 14th
We finished the supplemental draft on the 21st. IMO we have two choices:
1) Move the entire schedule back approximately 4 days and hope we are equally efficient in our S-Draft as last year.
2) Ignore the 2 games series to allow for more time and people with M's / A's keepers are just screwed.
Requesting feedback. Thanks.
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| | | 163 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 20:18
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Anybody have a contact number for which to text Go's Gaslight Anthem??? Hard to know whether or not he checks his email, as email has become a forgotten tool over the last 20 years. Sending snail mail might be more effective than waiting for some people to check their email these days! :) Anyway, if you have his number you can email it to me at stanfrank@yahoo.com Thanks!
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| | | 164 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 19:36
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162: I don't think we can just ignore games that count. Seems outrageous. My vote would be for #1.
As far as prospect rules/discussion, I dont have a strong feeling one way or the other so I'll go with the majority opinion there.
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| | | 165 | GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 20:25
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I have successfully gotten in touch with Lyman... crisis averted.
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| | | 166 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 21:03
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Ha. Crises! Yeah, I suppose I do fascinate about having a direct line of communication to making deals. Trades are fun. Being a real baseball GM would be the dream job. Dipoto is doing deals from his hospital bed!!! I'll go one further and make a rotisserie trade while on my death bed. Hopefully, that's not until I'm trading something like Fernando Tatis IV for Vladimir Guerrero IV. Anyway, crises averted! That made me laugh!
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| | | 167 | GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 22:21
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I was negotiating with Fosten a few weeks ago from a location even more interesting than a death bed. And probably more expensive... some call it the crappiest place in the happiest place on earth....
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| | | 168 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 12:04
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Post 162 - I think the decision is really up to ESPN. How are they going to handle those games? Does the season start at espn for those games or does it start on the real opening day?
If ESPN doesn't even start until opening day then we have to decide if we're going to manually calculate stats from that day into year end stats if we want to count them.
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| | | 169 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Sat, Dec 15, 2018, 16:06
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Most sites allow for backtracking stats from the day you start the league. This allows leagues to start late.
I'd prefer those games count one way or another. Even if we have to play what we currently have from keepers and wherever we are in the draft.
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| | | 170 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 12:42
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Prospect Rule Change Discussion
It has been up to me to craft a sample set of possible wording to update our prospect rules. It has been suggested to allow the use of acquired picks in more ways than we use now. To that end, I offer the following wording as a base for our discussions. Please use these to form your debate one way or the other, as well as offer suggestions to provide better clarity and/or to tighten the wording to avoid any possible loopholes.
I am adapting the existing rules to this "slot" concept as best I can. For purposes of THIS discussion, we are assuming that we are keeping the "3 prospects per team" / 60 prospect maximum. Any consideration of increasing that number should have no bearing on this proposed change.
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Keeper Deadline
At a time announced by the Commissioner, all managers have prospect slots equal to the sum of 3 plus any additional prospect slots you have acquired from other teams. You may use a prospect slot to either:
1) Retain an existing prospect
2) For use in trade to another team
3) For use in the upcoming prospect draft
Managers will announce what prospects they intend to keep on the prospect list, which prospects they are releasing, and (if applicable) which prospects they are calling up and releasing (see below).
All hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP to remain a prospect. Otherwise, they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.
Assignment of Prospect Picks:
After declaration of kept, released or called up prospects, Managers are assigned new prospect picks dependent upon how many prospects they kept - with the total sum of kept prospects and new picks limited to the total number of prospect slots you own.
If an owner has traded away one of their prospect picks, they must reduce their kept prospects to stay within the number of prospect slots they own. See "if you have traded away a pick", below.
Processing of Traded Prospect Picks/Slots:
After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded picks:
If you have traded away a slot: Any team that has traded away a slot must comply with the terms of their trade. Depending upon whether you own any other team's slots, this may reduce the total number of prospects you may retain on the prospect list. As with any trade, if an owner trades away a pick/slot in a round that they do not own, the receiving party receives a pick/slot of a higher round to satisfy their trade.
The trade of a slot is only valid in the year noted in the trade. To continue to retain prospects in excess of 3, teams must reacquire new slots as appropriate.
If you have traded for a pick: Acquired slots may be used to retain an existing prospect or for use as a new prospect pick.
(the rest of the rules remain the same)
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Hopefully I have worded this clearly. While I have perfect clarity of what I am trying to do, that comes from my intimate knowledge of the mechanics in the first place. Please do not hesitate to ask ANY question as we discuss the proposal.
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| | | 171 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 13:51
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I think I am OK with the proposed prospect pick rules [170]. They seem reasonably clear and fair. And for teams that are trying to rebuild, they provide more potential ammunition.
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| | | 172 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 15:06
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[170] seems a tad bit wordy, but a step in the right direction. Let's see if I can put my English degree to use and wordsmith this...
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| | | 173 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 19:25
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re: the early start time.
i'm not going to lie. i didn't go back and read all the previous posts, but if there exists an option to add those stats after the fact, i'd suggest that.
that being said, i'd add a caveat - if someone like Joe Unknownschmuck bangs out four home runs, and a manager drafts that player just to get those stats because we're post-dating them, that manager can't just immediately drop the player either - something like a two or four week hold. that manager is committed for a minimum amount of time.
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| | | 174 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 21:16
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173 - I'd go one further. In order to get a player's stats from one of these early games you must have drafted him BEFORE the game started. If he's not on your roster at the time the game happens, it doesn't matter - you dont get his stats.
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| | | 175 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 11:36
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I support an earlier draft.
I support the prospect situation, but only for the 2020 p draft, since it will impact prospect pick trades that have already happened.
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| | | 177 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 12:32
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Our recent prospect discussions have resulted in multiple proposals, each to be considered separately:
1. Use acquired p-picks as p-slots (for a max of 3).
- Yes, minor change, maintains 3/60. Also incentivizes teams to acquire late round picks for forfeit, thus increasing their value.
2. Eliminate the 3 p-keeper deadline limit (replace with: Keep as many prospects as you have picks to forfeit.)
- Undecided, but leaning no. Though it maintains 60, the potential for hoarding prospects changes the game substantially.
3. Increase the number of prospects and picks from 3/60 to 4/80.
- Undecided, but leaning yes. Seems to be a better alternative for increasing kept prospects than proposal 2.
Took a stab at the following revision based on proposal 1 only. Further thought, input, and collaboration required.
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Prospect Rules
The underlined key deadlines and procedures are completed in a linear fashion, one after the other.
Assignment of Prospect Picks
Teams are assigned 3 picks in each season's prospect draft. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top 3 selections and should be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4-20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will use inverse order of the previous season’s final standings and will not snake. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded picks.
Prospect AB/IP/GP Maximums and 10th Keeper Rules
All hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than both 110 IP and 40 GP to remain a prospect. Prospects promoted at deadline are known as "free" 10th keepers. More than 1 prospect can be promoted, allowing for 11th, 12th keepers, etc. For any prospects promoted at deadline, teams must forfeit their last supplemental picks (original or acquired), so that roster sizes do not exceed 23 players.
Prospect Keeper Deadline
At a time announced by the Commissioner, managers will declare what prospects they intend to keep, promote, release, or renounce. This is the only point in time where teams must have 3 or fewer prospects on their prospect list. Post deadline, managers may once again exceed 3 prospects by trade or draft.
Forfeiture of Prospect Picks
After declaration of kept, promoted, renounced, or released prospects, managers must forfeit prospect picks (original or acquired) dependent upon how many prospects were kept. Specifically: If you keep 3 prospects, you forfeit 3 picks. Keep 2, forfeit 2. Keep 1, forfeit 1. Keep 0, forfeit 0.
Trading of Prospect Picks
The trading of prospect picks alters the number of prospects you may keep. You must have an equal or greater number of picks to forfeit than prospects kept. The total league sum of kept prospects plus picks should equal 60.
If an owner has less than 3 picks, they must reduce their kept prospects below 3.
- Ex: If you trade away 2 picks, and acquire 0 picks, you can keep 1 prospect.
If an owner both trades away and acquires picks, those acquired picks can be forfeited to keep (no more than 3) prospects.
- Ex: If you trade away 1 pick, and acquire 1 pick, you can keep 3 prospects.
If an owner has more than 3 picks, the last picks should be forfeited to keep (no more than 3) prospects.
- Ex: If you trade away 0 picks, and acquire 2 picks, you can keep 3 prospects plus the 2 best draft picks.
Prospect Draft
The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft). Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously.
A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 AB or a pitcher with less than both 55 IP and 20 GP. Note that draft-eligible prospect maximums are half of keeper-eligible prospect maximums. [the rest of the rule remains the same]
Prospect call-up rules
Managers may call-up and send-down their prospect up to 2 times without losing their prospect rights as long as that player has not hit the maximum AB/IP/GP threshold. Managers must monitor their own prospects. Before a commish allows a prospect transaction, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List.
- In-season: If a prospect is renounced or hits threshold while on your roster (called-up), his name will be removed from your prospect list. If a prospect hits threshold while not on your roster, you are not obligated to call him up immediately. Once you call-up a prospect over the threshold, you cannot send him down.
- Off-season: Rostered prospects under threshold will be sent-down in order to avoid being counted as a regular keeper. Unrostered prospects over threshold maintain their prospect status until next season's keeper deadline, at which time they must be kept as part of your 9 or renounced. If they are later found to have been kept as prospects or promoted as 10th keepers at deadline despite being over threshold, the player will immediately be put on waivers and lose their prospect status if applicable. Rostered players not on the prospect list (undrafted in-season pickups or previous promotions) must be kept as part of your 9 or released, regardless of AB/IP/GP.
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| | | 178 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 15:28
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Undecided, but leaning no. Though it maintains 60, the potential for hoarding prospects changes the game substantially.
Can somebody explain this line of reasoning more thoroughly to me? How can somebody 'hoard prosepcts' unless they are actively moving pieces. And if they are actively moving - isn't that what we want?
Its not like somebody can just be active, get 7 prospects drafted and disappear from the league for a year or two or prevent everybody else from seeing those prospects until suddenly he has a young team that is ready to go. He can't do anything with those extra 4 prospects beyond next year unless he gets more picks. I'm just honestly curious why people have a fear of another team hoarding prospects.
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| | | 179 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 17:40
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Good point Khahan. Perhaps the hoarding concern is overblown. What are the pros/cons? What are the edge case scenarios in which this could be manipulated? 9 prospects? And is that extreme necessarily a bad thing? If p2s and p3s are in greater demand for forfeiture, it will also be more difficult to acquire the 9 picks needed to stack. So maybe it balances itself out.
I like how the current limit of 3 encourages active prospect trading, as teams reshuffle every year to reduce their holdings. Teams decide whether to trade or re-invest another year's prospect keeper spot, and movement inevitably happens.
Yes on 1 provides flexibility without a major overhaul. Yes on 2 seems like the biggest change, but maybe it's not. Yes on 3 extends the pool another 20 prospects/picks which arguably alters the game more. My thinking was to aim for the least amount of change, implement and reassess incrementally, but perhaps folks are ready to dive in with both feet? Thoughts?
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| | | 180 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 18:33
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I am with Khahan on wondering how teams are concerned about prospect 'hoarding'. Each prospect has an acquisition cost. Holding prospects in excess of 3 has an additional holding cost. This makes each slot valuable and a worthwhile currency in which to improve your team.
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| | | 181 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 18:53
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I have long preached to teams the value of prospects and prospect picks. Admittedly, for every Mike Trout and Bryce Harper there are 4 or 5 Miguel Sanos and Byron Buxtons. That said, all you have to do is look at almost any list of best "Dynasty" players, and the VAST majority of the best were all acquired in our prospect draft. For example, using Tristan Cockroft's Dynasty Rankings on ESPN, you have the following:
1 - Betts (2014 prospect draft)
2 - Trout (2010)
3 - Acuna (2017)
4 - Lindor (2012)
5 - Ramirez
6 - Machado (2010)
7 - Benintendi (2016)
8 - Bregman (2016)
9 - Judge (2015)
10 - Arenado (2011)
11 - Altuve
12 - Correa (2012)
13 - Turner (2015)
14 - Yelich (2012)
15 - Baez (2013)
16 - Sale
17 - Harper (2010)
18 - Soto (2017)
19 - Kluber
20 - Stanton (2008)
21 - Freeman (2009)
22 - Scherzer (2007)
23 - Bryant (2014)
24 - Nola
25 - Bellinger (2016)
26 - Cole (2011)
27 - Kershaw (2007)
28 - G. Torres (2016)
29 - DeGrom
30 - JD Martinez
31 - Rizzo
32 - Albies (2016)
33 - Story (2016)
34 - Hoskins
35 - Severino (2015)
36 - Goldschmidt
37 - Snell
38 - Springer (2012)
39 - Seager (2014)
40 - Vlad Jr (2017)
THIRTY out of the top 40 dynasty league keepers were originally drafted in our prospect drafts over the years (and guys like Rizzo and Snell were each prospects snagged off the waiver wires and held before they became stars). 75%!!!
I understand that there are hundreds of duds sprinkled into our prospect drafts as well. But if you want a stud before he is a stud, the easiest place to do that is through the prospect draft. You just have to do it right :)
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| | | 182 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 00:48
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add me to the "i don't care if one team has 20 prospects" list.
if you're a young team and trying to build, that's obviously the way to do it, and being able to only keep a tiny sample size doesn't do a lot to help build a team.
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| | | 183 | GO
ID: 578392522
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 00:53
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I'm fairly certain we retroactively scored a couple games a few years ago, i feel like there were Dodgers involved... just do that again. If someone wants to waste a draft pick on some random who hit a HR, go for it.
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| | | 184 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 07:01
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Taking the incremental approach… I think we already have enough votes to pass:
A. Repeal original-owner restrictions on P-pick forfeitures
- Most who have commented seem to be in support of this, in some form or another.
This also seems well-supported in conjunction:
B. Any P-pick can be forfeited regardless of round
- Species asked in [30] WHAT PICK from another team would be required to keep more than 3 prospects? First rounder? Any? WHAT PICK from another team could "replace" a traded pick of yours and still be allowed to keep your own 3 prospects?
-- Agree with BH in [35] No restrictions on picks. If you get 3rd rounders, you can use them all on keepers. Anything different is unnecessarily complicated. Picks forfeited in the last 5 years: 1 p1, 31 p2s, 83 p3s. Rarely is your 3rd best p-keeper is better than a top 20 pick, let alone your 4th or 5th best p-keeper. Most teams are going to want to hang onto p1s for drafting and p3s for forfeiting, so you're most likely buying extra p2s.
Further discussion seems prudent on:
1. Maintain current amount of prospects/picks (3/60).
2. Keep as many prospects as you have picks to forfeit (x/60).
3. Increase prospects to 4, PLUS add a 4th round to the draft (4/80).
4. Keep as many prospects as you have picks to forfeit, PLUS add a 4th round to the draft (x/80).
5. Cap prospects at 5 regardless of rounds (5/60, 5/80, 5/100, etc.).
I see pros/cons in all of these, which is why I am undecided. More ammunition for rebuilding teams is a positive, but is there an expense?
- Less prospects trades: Does converting the current necessity to decrease prospect holdings, into an incentive to collect more picks, lead to less prospects being traded? The thing I like most about our current p-keeper limit is the amount of activity it forces.
- Parity: If teams can do a quick rebuild by hoarding 9 prospects, do they trade away now all 9 regular keepers they wont have room for later, thus tanking the standings for The Process? Is it better to cap prospects at 5, aka. half your keepers?
- The future: If we can conceive of someday adding a 4th round, one could assume 95+% of p4s would be forfeited, and the current percentage of p3s (83%) and p2s (31%) forfeited would decrease. Does unlimited prospects becomes overkill at that point? Another 20 picks makes it substantially easier to hoard. Does it become an either/or between more p-keepers and more rounds, but not both?
As Species explained in [23] When we tweak rules, the league rightfully worries about loopholes and ways to gain unintended advantage. It is up to us as a group to craft it responsibly to avoid this. Lets consider those loopholes and seek to craft a rule proposal that does as intended while not providing any unfair advantages. There are different ways to improve the current system, possible loopholes to manipulate in future systems, and even more ideas (good and bad) that we haven't yet considered. Taking time to play devil's advocate now, can only help our risk management later. Love the brainstorming. Great debate!
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| | | 185 | GO
ID: 14143919
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 10:42
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2014 were Dodgers games in Australia on March 22nd. See if we can find that thread. We retroactively scored I am fairly certain.
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| | | 186 | GO
ID: 14143919
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 10:45
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Of course that might have been how Dirty Dozen did it instead... but regardless, it was 2014.
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| | | 187 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 11:41
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Anyone looking to consolidate keepers? Carlos Carrasco for 2 keepable SP? Prefer to do it straight if possible.
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| | | 188 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 15:05
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185: I found the thread. Here it is:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=base&thread=20248&last=1395196781
We decided on option 1 back in 2014 (see posts 117, 129, 139, 167 and 193). My vote would be to do that again this year.
Btw, is anyone really worried about finishing the draft before the two early games? I mean, it's the dead of winter and here we are with teams firing trades away plus plenty of good discussion. I think the worry of not finishing in time is overblown.
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| | | 189 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 15:06
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188 - whatever we did last time works for me.
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| | | 190 | youngroman
ID: 711441914
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 15:44
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G20 draft in 2014 was from March 8 to 19. I just looked it up in draftime.
regarding draft start, I see 4 options:
1) start early and finish before March 20. we did this in 2014.
2) start earlier than usual, with a timing that most starters should already be drafted at the time the games start. players from these teams are not allowed to get drafted as soon as they appear in a game. retro-active scoring is enabled.
3) start as usual with retro-active scoring (if possible). if someone goes wild in the first game, the one who recognizes this first gets lucky.
4) start as usual with no retro-active scoring (I guess this is not an option)
I guess ESPN will also change their baseball product, just as they changed the hoops product, so I don't know if all the options that were there in the past will be available this upcoming season, at least not from the beginning. I guess the safest option would be #1. if it was ok in 2014, why should it not be ok in 2019.
regarding prospects for single teams:
I have no problem in acquiring prospect slots in excess of 3. if someone wants to invest in that, be my guest. if the quota is that every 3rd/4th/5th prospect will become a regular keeper, you don't improve your roster in just 1 year. I don't know if adding prospect slots is worth it. I guess it is more beneficial to call them up as 10/11/12th keeper and put them on your bench all year compared to trading away other assets to keep them and add some new prospects. depends on the state of a team, the timing when your prospects are expected to reach the majors and if they are top prospects.
regarding more prospects overall:
the more prospects are drafted, the bigger the possible loopholes get because the difference between a 1st round and last round pick gets bigger. if it is enough to only have last round picks to retain your prospects you could trade down this year for upgrades in future seasons. you don't lose anything, but may gain a lot. if you find a manager with a complimentary situation, both these teams may gain a lot: I don't need my 2nd/3rd 2020 picks, Team B gets them and sends back 4th/5th picks. Team B's keepers are not ready for 2021, so I get his 2nd/3rd for my 4th/5th. this can be repeated every 2 years assuming that the prospects picked require 2 years to be ready, which is a reasonable time.
this would also apply to our current 3 prospect rule, but would not be as bad because you only swap 2nd and 3rd round picks.
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| | | 191 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 17:03
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188: Pete - the reason I am concerned has nothing to do with our ability to get it done. It has all to do with all of these deadlines being so early that spring performance, injuries and roster / lineup / rotation / bullpen clarity will be fuzzy at best. One could argue that is where the more educated / in tune could gain advantage (which is the point of this game), and that is fine by me, but as Commissioner I want the league to be as comfortable as possible with our schedule.
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| | | 192 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 19:40
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191: Ahh, that makes more sense. I'd still say the idea of not counting those games is outlandish. I'd much rather take some educated guesses based on what I know at the time instead of not including games that count because it's inconvenient. The whole "SOL" thought for people with players from those games doesn't fly with the league's standards. Just my two cents and probably not even worth that. Ha!
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| | | 193 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 23:14
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In regard to the early games in Tokyo, it made me cringe to learn of that and to consider the consequences of bumping up our deadlines by a week.
I don't have any players going so maybe I'm bias (I'm not). But even if I did, I always prefer deadlines and drafts be pushed back as late as possible. Hypothetically, yeah, I'd prefer to lose a game or two of Matt Chapman or Mitch Haniger, than to blindly keep and draft players whose roles are undefined so early in Spring Training.
For instance, here is something considerably worse than losing a couple games of Chappy or Haniger...
Say you've inherited a lousy team and you're rebuilding. You make a bunch of trades in the offseason to acquire players such as Luke Voit, who may or may not win the starting 1B gig for the offensive juggernaut Yankees. If he wins, you keep him and celebrate. But you're nowhere near knowing on March 9 if Voit is going to win the job, so you're plumb screwed if you keep him and he ends up on the wrong side of a platoon (Voit is a righty, Bird a lefty).
Perhaps you've also made a minor deal for a player who only one year ago was a consensus Top-20 prospect, and who has the talent to go 20-20 as soon as this year. But his rookie season was a disaster and you're hoping to have some time in the Spring to gauge whether or not Lewis Brinson is ready for PrimeTime and, thus, worthy of commanding a precious keeper slot.
If you've played this game long enough, you know that a couple of games at the beginning of the year are not likely to make or break a fantasy season. But keeping and drafting, on March 9, high risk/high reward players can DESTROY a season and perhaps even a franchise if those keepers were named too soon in the Spring to know that, ultimately, they wouldn't have a full-time gig to prove worthy of being kept. That's when you quietly cut Keeper Voit and Keeper Brinson and hope to find some "useful" players on the thin-on-talent waiver wire in a 20-team league and maybe find last year's Daniel Descalso. And with that, I think I just threw-up in my mouth.
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| | | 194 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 07:43
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The fact that this is even being seriously discussed/considered makes me feel like I'm living in bizarro world. How many times have we seen the G20 Championship come down to the final day? For the new guys who don't know, it's happened several times. Every single stat counts and could be the difference in the end.
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| | | 195 | Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 09:14
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Yeah, because your possibly missing out on a measely HR from Haniger is tons more damaging to the league than a rebuilding franchise ultimately wasting a couple of precious keeper slots on waiver wire fodder because he was forced to name his keepers in what might as well be February. I would wager that possibly crippling a franchise for the long term is dramatically worse for the league than your missing out on whatever Haniger is going to give you for two days in mid-March.
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| | | 196 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 09:51
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The fact that I have Haniger actually has nothing to do with it. Back in 2014, I had a grand total of zero keepers from the early games and my stance was the same. It's more about the integrity of the league. If you think 1 HR is considered measly, you simply do not have a full comprehension of the level of competition here.
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| | | 197 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 10:13
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They should count. We can start the draft the same time we usually do but have a shorter clock. With smart phones we should all be drafting faster than we did 10 years ago.
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| | | 198 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 10:23
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As far as prospects, I’m for acquiring prospect slots but I think there needs to be a cap like 6. I don’t like the idea of expanding the prospect pool to more than 60 prospects(3 slots per team).
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| | | 199 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 10:55
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All opinions are valid and all opinions count.
Trust me, I see both sides to the possibility of early drafting, hence I didn't just make a decision and have the calendar start early. I am leaning towards supporting starting the calendar early but want more opinions. I am kind of pissed off actually that more teams haven't weighed in. When I ping the league via email and note there is league business, I expect more participation.
I agree with Pete that every stat counts. One counter point to your argument though is that teams with M's and A's on them still have all year to make up those games and max out GP. Keep in mind we lowered max GP this year to 165 per position. Yeah it would suck to replace Matt Olson AB's with Yonder Alonso's, but it can be done.
Thank you Fosten for authoring some wording on the Prospect Rule proposal. I would like to incorporate the use of prospect slots or acquired picks in order to exceed 3 prospects. If you want to take a stab at authoring that, it would be very helpful.
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| | | 200 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 11:20
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Hopefully there will be clarity on the early game options provided by ESPN - before we have to decide.
Based upon the basketball experience this year, I have no confidence that any feature that was in place several years ago will be operative at the beginning of this season.
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| | | 201 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 12:10
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I still say just run the league and whatever we have kept/drafted on that date is what we use. Especially since we aren't drafting in ESPN and adding our own players. The league can be running while we draft. By March 20th most lineups will be set, and we're only drafting backups, fliers, and relief pitchers.
This also prevents the Joe Shmoe hitting 3 HR in those games and getting drafted after the fact to get those stats.
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| | | 202 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 12:11
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200: good point. I guess I am getting ahead of myself here. We have plenty of time......even after ESPN launches baseball in February.
Based upon the poor performance of the new design for Basketball, do we give any consideration to moving the league site?
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| | | 203 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 12:21
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I find Yahoo generally better at day to day maintenance. The interface has always been easier/better, and it's more forgiving on position eligibility.
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| | | 204 | WG
ID: 53213822
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 12:28
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I agree with Pete that I think the real games should absolutely count, but Lyman's point is valid and strong as well. Maybe we can have the keeper deadline set before those games, and the stats of those guys only count? Personally, not sure I like the idea of also including players drafted by the start of the Mariners-A's game. Someone on the clock just before the game starts may be incentivized to just wait til that game is over to see if anyone erupts before making their pick. Also, managers waiting to make a pick and get them in before the game starts may grow frustrated by pick delays by managers in front of them. Little things like that, which wouldn't impact things greatly, but are considerations nevertheless.
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| | | 205 | darkside
ID: 2822316
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 12:47
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Points from the early games need to count. How we make it happen doesn’t cause me much angst. This draft takes too long. Let’s shorten it up by using the clock more aggressively. Start the same as we always do and just give people less time. For goodness sakes, 9 rounds are already done. We should be able to get the rest done in 5-7 days.
I’m fine with starting earlier, too. We’re never going to have as much info as we need to make the best keeper choices. But, I think first-best is to just shorten the draft.
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| | | 206 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 13:02
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My thoughts reference the deadline:
-Keep it / the timeline the same as always.
-stats from the game don’t count for the players selected in the redraft, but do for keepers. Use simple logic, if you’re keeping the guy, you’re likely starting him regardless of circumstance, so if they bomb (sp/rp) or go 0-fer, that’s the breaks.
I highly doubt that series will impact decisions for keepers. That said, can you retroactively adjust the stats?
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| | | 207 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 13:40
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I'm anti-moving-off-ESPN, but I haven't been too active in sports using the new design yet.
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| | | 208 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 13:50
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To Slizz’s point, I agree mostly but if you absolutely don’t want to start one of your keeper SP in those early games perhaps you can post and announce it ahead of time?
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| | | 209 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 13:51
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Here is what I am leaning towards in terms of our schedule:
- Start the calendar early with the intention of finishing before the games in Japan
- Shorten the schedule and push harder on time limits
- Only change from this if there are VERY EASY options for any kind of retroactive roster moves (unlikely).
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| | | 210 | Nerfherders
ID: 347152518
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 14:56
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For reference last year we started on the 13th and finished on the 21st
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| | | 211 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 17:48
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I obviously will comply with whatever the league decides...however, I strongly disagree with moving up our schedule to accommodate for 2 mlb teams. The time value of injuries, position battles, etc is far too important as Lyman eluded to in post 193.
Amit - agree completely in post 208. You don’t want to start or have those stats count. Say before the game.
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| | | 212 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Thu, Dec 20, 2018, 19:27
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Here's what we did in the dirty dozen in 2014 for the early games:
1. Players had to have been drafted before the game started
2. Had to declare on the forums you intended to start the players or not
3. line up had to be set
Those were the manager guidelines. From a commish perspective we had to set the season at the beginning to include retro active stats.
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| | | 213 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 15:27
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took me awhile to get caught up on this long discussion.
i see the pros and cons of all sides, but ultimately, i'm pretty heavily opposed to naming keepers and drafting earlier than the norm.
that we're doing this for 2 teams and what will likely be no more than a dozen, maybe two dozen players, seems absurd.
while this league often comes down to a single home run or win or stolen base, what does greater long term damage - missing the singular counting stat, or drafting a guy in an earlier than normal draft, in an early round, who then suffers a crushing injury early in the spring training?
crush a team at the end, or crush a team all season long?
i'll take the former every time.
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| | | 214 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 15:56
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I value everyone's input.
Question for those that strongly believe the games should count:
If we compromise and hold our draft at a more "normal" time (to arrive at the March 28th 'main' Opening Day), is it reasonable to go this direction and require that teams that have those players both: 1) already have kept/drafted them; and 2) designate up front that they are starting them in order to get those games counted?
Ultimately any option of drafting at a more normal time and considering any retroactive stat counting is going to require ESPN's (or other service) ability to accommodate this.
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| | | 215 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 16:17
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I’d be open to that but probably would again vote for only kept players to be allowed to be used and not early drafted players.
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| | | 216 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 16:21
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Is it possible to have keeper deadline be like 18/19 to allow the above, and then start the drafts at the same time knowing these players can only be used from the 28th on? 18/19 seems like enough time to finalize keepers and around 10 days sufficient to finish drafts? Apologies if I’m missing something/being ignorant to logistics (like entering players in ESPN).
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| | | 217 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 16:31
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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. See post 210. Start on the 11th.
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| | | 218 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 17:29
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This will likely be your last chance to have Ichiro Suzuki in your starting lineup.
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| | | 219 | Meatwads
ID: 7527232
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 20:01
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1. I support adding the option to trade for more prospect slots. I will support any expansion of our prospects. I don't think the 3/60 prospect slots is doing this league justice.
2. I don't think we should rush our preseason to accommodate those early games. I do think the stats should count. I think using keepers only or announcing ahead of time are both fine options.
3. Prospect hoarding is not something the league should be concerned about. If anything, it would be a positive step in the right direction. As our rules currently stand, I don't think it's even a viable option to rebuild solely though the prospects. Has anyone won in the last decade because of their minor leagues? Legit question.
4. As I said previously, I do think we should have more than 3/60 in our minors. This is a deep keeper league, and everyone has enough experience. I've played in leagues where we had 16 prospect slots, and it still wasn't determining the outcome in any particular season (besides for when the prospects were traded for proven players). The more picks we have in the draft, the more viable of a rebuild strategy it is. It also gives every team, whether going for the title or rebuilding, more assets to trade.
5. I would be in favor of leaving ESPN for Yahoo, especially if the baseball is anything like the basketball. I generally find Yahoo to be more user friendly at this point.
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| | | 220 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 21:35
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here, here!
and also, i fully support a 25 round prospect draft.
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| | | 221 | Meatwads
ID: 7527232
Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 02:20
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Tree - I'm with you on the full minor league draft. That would be the dream. Unfortunately, I think we'd get shot down 18-2 in a vote! I'll take whatever we can get. We're not even drafting the top 100 prospects.
There are dozens of lists online any of us could find in seconds. I think it would make the league more interesting and challenging if we expand the prospects. I know every single person in this league is more than capable of that. I don't see any harm in adding a couple more trade assets/rebuild pieces. Prospects don't even work out at a high percentage. These are just extra lottery tickets and opens up another way to compete or rebuild.
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| | | 222 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 11:09
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I believe the early games should count. I am not picky on whether that’s keeper only or an earlier draft takes place.
As stated before, I’m all for trading for prospect slots for use as keeping prospects.
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| | | 223 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 21:06
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re: 214...I'm indifferent, so whatever works from a commish standpoint and makes most folks happy, is fine with me.
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| | | 224 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 06:04
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I agree pretty much with what Meatwads said. I was in the league he mentioned, where we could have as many as 16 minor leaguers, and what he said was true. I would add this, it added to the trade deadline interest for teams that were out of it. I am for as many more minor league picks as possible. A while back,slizz voiced a concern about more propsects ruining parity in the league as we have known it. My response: what parity? When I look at the history of this league and its past champions, I see the same team names in the list of champions. That may be an indication of some good managing by repeat champs, but it is no indication of parity unless by parity you mean the absence thereof. The more assets a team has to work with, the better their chances of competing via trading assets or successfully rebuilding via those assets. Period. Having three slots to work with is chicken feed to a would-be rebuilding franchise. As for when the season starts, I could be persuaded to go a variety of ways. But, on the minor league slots issue, I am adamantly of the opinion that the more, the better. It's ridiculous to me that a league that is this good doesn't even cover the top 100 propects with 20 managers.
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| | | 225 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 06:10
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Actually, after re-reading the above thread,I am persuaded by Lyman's reasoning re when to name keepers/start counting stats.
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| | | 226 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 12:18
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Ive always agreed with 224. More prospect slots would actually help lower-placed teams rebuild. As it stands now, unless you get really really lucky, it's very hard to rebuild in this league. And let's be honest - MLB prospects are no sure things, so why not have more of them? More slots would also help prevent savvy teams from hording undrafted prospects.
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| | | 227 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 12:37
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I have "sent down" Willy Adames from WG's roster. By rule, all rostered prospects that still meet limits are automatically sent down / removed from an active roster.
I do not believe there are any other rostered prospects that need to be sent down.
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| | | 228 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 14:10
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I will be putting the prospect rules discussions to a vote soon. I will be proposing the prospect "slot" concept (where you can use a slot to keep more than 3 prospects) and separately proposing an increase to the base number of prospects from 3 to either 4 or 5.
Fosten offered to tweak the verbiage in post 170 (his post 177 only addressed using another team's p-pick to keep your own prospect when you traded away a pick)......so I will give him a chance to offer his version.
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| | | 229 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 14:57
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Blockbuster 3 Team Trade Announcement!
GO trades to Meatwads
Javier Baez, ChC, SS/2B/3B
Meatwads trades to Thumper
Rhys Hoskins, PHI, 1B/OF
Jean Segura, PHI, SS
Thumper trades to GO
Walker Buehler, LAD, SP
Nick Castellanos, DET, OF
Triston McKenzie (prospect), CLE, SP
Both clubs to confirm.
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| | | 230 | GO
ID: 14143919
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 15:08
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Confirmed. Nothing quite like a good 3 way...
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| | | 231 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 15:37
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GREAT trade!
I made the executive decision to drop Lucroy from GO's roster. Speak now or forever hold your peace if you'd like that changed.
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| | | 232 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 15:48
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just over the last dozen posts, 4 managers - 20 percent of the league - have expressed interest ina significant increase in prospect spots, and a longer, more robust prospect draft.
i think this warrants a deeper conversation - 5 prospects is nice, but why not 10?
the mlb draft is literally 40 rounds - that's 1200 new players EACH YEAR. and that doesn't even include the compensation picks or the COMPETITIVE BALANCE picks.
not to mention international postings.
there is a wealth of players out there. there isn't a lot of good logic to argue AGAINST a significantly more robust prospect roster.
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| | | 233 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 16:28
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229 - Confirmed. Interesting deal guys!
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| | | 234 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 16:54
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232: As commissioner part of my duty is to have the best interests of all league managers in mind as we consider courses of action. To answer your question more directly, there is a percentage of the league who believes that the "Rule of 60" is good enough and are uncomfortable going significantly deeper.
As such, instead of force feeding them a jump from going 60 prospects deep to 200, I am proposing smaller steps to try it out, wade into the pool a little more easily and assess the success of the change before considering going further. We may find unintended consequences, loopholes or other negative aspects that would likely be exacerbated by jumping up into that type of stratosphere.
All of that said, majority rules in G20. If you can get enough groundswell for more than 5 per team / 100 total, start rattling some cages.
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| | | 235 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 21:16
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re 234
i appreciate the insight and just tossing things out there.
that being said, i would definitely love a way to have deeper prospect rosters, including allowing more of them to remain under team control year after year. it seems we are making inroads in that direction.
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| | | 236 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 09:29
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Years ago in my first go around with G20 I got burned out on too many leagues and chose to leave this one over the others specifically because of the minor league aspect. Now here we are years later and I'm actually excited about the idea of expanding our prospects and making it easier to manage them.
I actually really like Species idea of bumping to 5 first and feeling out the waters. I'm not at all opposed to expanding prospects but want to take it slow.
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| | | 237 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 10:35
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My apprehension to expand stems from teams who trade their prospect picks for mid to late round supplemental draft picks.
Expansion is good for my squad...but I don’t think is in the best interest of the league given the importance of a prospect pick. If teams are just gonna trade those valuable slots away for next to nothing, keeping at 60 is the right move for the overall health of the league.
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| | | 238 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 12:15
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Everyone evaluates prospects differently. Some managers, either because they are in now and need more active players, or maybe because they just don't like prospects, simply use those spots as chips rather than roster slots. I think many of us understand the importance of prospects in this league and if we had just a little more flexibility, we'd be able to see real progression up the standings.
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| | | 239 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 15:41
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If we expand past 5 I would definitely lose interest and probably think about stepping down. Even with 3 the last round all I’m doing is reading some “experts” report on a single A prospect. To me the extra research isn’t that much fun. It’s basically throwing darts based on some articles.
I think 60 prospects gives teams an opportunity to rebuild via the prospect draft but also allows teams to pick up potential prospects on the waiver wire. I think the league should be more focused on MLB players and less about drafting guys we’ve never even seen play(or can even watch highlights on a day to day basis).
I’ll be voting “No” on any prospect expansion.
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| | | 240 | GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 20:46
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I am against prospect expansion. I want there to be people worth drafting each year with those picks having some value.
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| | | 241 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 23:10
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Trade Announcement
Tree trades
Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT
13.07
Thumper trades
Kyle Tucker (Prospect), OF, HOU
Tyler O’Neil, OF, StL
5.04
Tree to confirm.
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| | | 242 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 09:25
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confirmed
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| | | 243 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 17:58
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Happy New Year G20 managers! I must say that I am probably more excited for the 2019 season than any other year. The league's managers are healthier and more active than ever. Never in our league history has there been this much activity between the end of the year and January 1st (true, the two new teams needed a LOT of adjustments, but still....).
We have had a good discussion about the proposals of Prospect Expansion and the Prospect Slot concept and it is time to put these to a vote. Please note:
1) These votes are independent of one another. You may vote yes on one and no on the other.
2) On the prospect expansion vote, I am offering managers the choice of choosing between an increase from 3 to 4 prospects (and 80 total) or from 3 to 5 prospects (and 100 total). NOTE: Even if you vote NO on Prospect Expansion, you may register your vote for 4 or 5 prospects. If it passes, since each team will be subject to the new limit, I feel it fair to hear the opinions of all teams, even those in dissent of the proposal overall.
2a) Assuming Prospect Expansion passes, the vote for whether we increase to 4 or 5 does not require a majority of the league (i.e. 11), but rather it will be decided based upon the majority of votes cast.
As I began to craft the wording of the vote for Prospect Expansion, I realized that having this go into effect for the 2020 season might be wrong. Thumper and Khahan in particular have excess prospect picks......and for them to benefit by being able to keep more than 3 prospects in 2020 without paying the additional cost of owning more slots does not seem equitable.
Please jump in with any questions, or feel free to contact me directly to clarify any aspects of the proposals.
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| | | 244 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 18:46
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League Vote:
1) Prospect Expansion:
Beginning with the 2021 Prospect Keeper Deadline, do you wish to expand the number of prospects per team, and by extension, the prospect draft, from 3 per team and 60 in total?
Vote Yes or No, and:
To what limit do you prefer to expand to:
a) 4 per team, and 80 in total
b) 5 per team, and 100 in total
2) Adoption of the Slot Concept:
Do you favor the slot concept as outlined below. Vote Yes or No:
Keeper Deadline
At a time announced by the Commissioner, all managers have prospect slots equal to the sum of 3 plus any additional prospect slots you have acquired from other teams. You may use a prospect slot to either:
1) Retain an existing prospect
2) For use in trade to another team
3) For use in the upcoming prospect draft
Managers will announce what prospects they intend to keep on the prospect list, which prospects they are releasing, and (if applicable) which prospects they are calling up and releasing (see below).
All hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP to remain a prospect. Otherwise, they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.
Assignment of Prospect Picks in the Prospect Draft:
After declaration of kept, released or called up prospects, Managers are assigned new prospect slots dependent upon how many prospects they kept - with the total sum of kept prospects and new picks limited to the total number of prospect slots you own.
If an owner has traded away one of their prospect picks, they must reduce their kept prospects to stay within the number of prospect slots they own. See "if you have traded away a slot", below.
Processing of Traded Prospect Picks/Slots:
After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded slots:
If you have traded away a slot: Any team that has traded away a slot must comply with the terms of their trade. Depending upon whether you own any other teams slots, this may reduce the total number of prospects you may retain on the prospect list. As with any trade, if an owner trades away a pick/slot in a round that they do not own, the receiving party receives a pick/slot of a higher round to satisfy their trade.
The trade of a slot is only valid in the year noted in the trade. To continue to retain prospects in excess of 3, teams must reacquire new slots as appropriate.
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| | | 245 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 18:48
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Apologies........I failed to note that the slot concept would go into effect in 2020.
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| | | 246 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 19:08
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1 - B
2 - abstaining for now, as i'm just not convinced this is necessary.
let's just keep up to 5 prospects and allow for a draft of 3 additional each season, allowing to hold up to 8 per season, and not complicate things, eh?
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| | | 247 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 19:49
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to reiterate, because this whole slot talk is confusing AF.
keep up to 5 prospects
draft up to 3 prospects
you can be trader jack mckeon all season, and acquire 300 prospects.
by the time we have to name keepers, you have to whittle that down to 5 keepers.
you still get 3 picks, even if you keep 5.
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| | | 248 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 19:51
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1 - No.
2 - Yes, but with a deadline max, not unlimited.
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| | | 249 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 20:10
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ie. "Each team gets 3 picks for a total of 60 picks in the draft. Picks can be used:
1) Retain an existing prospect
2) For use in trade to another team
3) For use in the upcoming prospect draft
At deadline, you can keep up to a max of 5 prospects, as long as you have the necessary picks to forfeit. Any pick can be forfeited regardless of original owner or round."
That said, I still like the current 3 p-keeper limit, but wouldn't mind if we bumped it to 5.
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| | | 250 | Species
ID: 351051122
Tue, Jan 01, 2019, 23:57
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249: That is not the intent of the proposal. Are you combining the two proposals?!?
In discussing the slot proposal, staying for purposes of illustration with the 3 per team and 60 for the league......
Technically the only limit being proposed is the total number of slots you own. 1. 3. 5. 7. 10. Doesn't matter. There would only be 60 slots total in the league (or 80 or 100 if that passes separately). For every slot you own the same slot was deducted from someone else.
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| | | 251 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 00:12
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I agree with Tree that the word “slot” is confusing. I believe I was the one who started using the word “slot” years ago to refer to “only being allowed to forfeit your original p-picks.” You had 3 “slots” for p-keepers, because you had 3 “picks.” And once you traded away a “pick”, you lost a “slot”, but the other person did not gain a “slot”, even though they gained a “pick.”
Post [177] removed the language "After declaration of kept, released or called up prospects, managers are assigned new prospect picks dependent upon how many prospects they kept” because in reality, that’s a clerical issue of the “pick number” changing. Essentially, what we do is “receive 3 p-picks within 30 days after the season ends”, and then we "forfeit p-picks at deadline based on how many prospects were kept.”
If we say “to keep a prospect, you forfeit a p-pick“ and agree that "any p-pick can be forfeited regardless of original owner or round" then the “slot” language is no longer necessary.
The questions are:
1) Total p-picks in the draft: 60, 80, 100
2) Max p-keepers at deadline: 3, 4, 5, unlimited
If I’m reading [244] correctly, a vote for 1B and 2Yes would be 100/unlimited.
Post [249] would be 60/5. My order of preference would be 60/3, 60/5, 80/4, 80/5. Not 100 or unlimited.
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| | | 253 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 05:48
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I believe post [244] part 2 could be simplified as such (for 60 total p-picks and unlimited p-keepers):
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Assignment of Prospect Picks
Teams are assigned 3 picks in each season's prospect draft. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top 3 selections and should be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4-20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will use inverse order of the previous season’s final standings and will not snake. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. After the assignment of picks, the league will officially process all traded picks.
Managers may use a prospect pick to:
1) Keep an existing prospect
2) Trade to another team
3) Draft a new prospect
Keeping Prospects
All hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than both 110 IP and 40 GP to remain a prospect. For each prospect kept at deadline, teams must forfeit a prospect pick. Any prospect pick can be forfeited regardless of original owner or round. To retain prospects in following seasons, teams must forfeit new picks each year.
Trading Prospect Picks
The trading of prospect picks alters the number of prospects teams may keep. Teams must have an equal or greater number of picks to forfeit than prospects kept. The total league sum of kept prospects plus picks should equal 60. As with any trade, if an manager trades away a pick in a round that they do not own, the acquiring manager receives a pick of a higher round to satisfy their trade.
Promoting Prospects
Prospects promoted at deadline are known as "free 10th keepers". More than 1 prospect can be promoted, allowing for 11th, 12th keepers, etc. For each prospect promoted at deadline, teams must forfeit a supplemental pick, so that roster sizes do not exceed 23 players. Any supplemental pick can be forfeited regardless of original owner or round.
Prospect Keeper Deadline
At a time announced by the Commissioner, managers will declare which prospects they intend to keep, promote, release, or renounce. Managers will also declare which prospect picks and supplemental picks they wish to forfeit.
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I suppose it could also be said, "Post deadline, the Commissioner will renumber prospect picks, based on picks forfeited." But, again that's more for convenience. Note that we don't renumber supplemental picks, because draftime has an easier "skip current pick" button.
As noted, the above is written for unlimited keepers. However, as long as p-keepers require a p-pick to forfeit, we always maintain "The total league sum of kept prospects plus picks should equal xx" regardless of whether the team max is standard (60/3, 80/4, 100/5), arbitrary (60/5, 80/5, 100/9, etc.), or unlimited. If max, add back in "Keeper deadline is the only point in time where teams must have x or fewer prospects on their prospect list. Post deadline, teams may once again exceed x prospects by trade or draft." If unlimited, leave those sentences out.
On a separate note, also see post [177] for a rewording of "Prospect call-up rules." Nothing new proposed was there, just clarification and separation of existing in-season and off-season rules.
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| | | 254 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 09:00
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1) No
If it passed I’d want only 4.
2) 3, I’ve thought about it and the simplicity of everyone keeps 3 is key for me.
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| | | 255 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 09:04
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1) No, as stated above - 3rd rd p picks can be had for peanuts if you check the history. That proves the league isn’t ready yet...
2) No / 3
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| | | 256 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 10:03
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1) Yes; either a or b are fine with me.
2) Yes
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| | | 257 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 10:53
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For everyone's consideration, some real world examples of the slot concept include:
bmd owns five prospects currently: Guerrero, Tatis, Gore, Tavares, Moran
Under the current rule: he can keep a maximium of 3
Under the new rule: if he owns another team's slot, he can exceed 3. Since the other team that traded away a slot must keep less than 3, the overall limit of prospects (60 currently - could change) is kept intact.
Thumper owns three prospects and 5 prospect slots:
Under the current rule: He can keep his own three prospects, as he has all three of HIS OWN slots. The other two slots are extra prospect draft picks.
Under the new rule: He could have kept as many as 5 prospects. Any number of prospects below 5 that he keeps, he gets that many prospect picks.
Fosten owns 5 prospects, owns a total of 4 prospect slots but traded away his 1st round prospect pick:
Under the current rule: Fosten could only keep two prospects. You must have your own prospect pick(s) to secure your own prospects.
Under the new rule: Fosten could keep up to 4 of his prospects.
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| | | 258 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 10:57
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255: which history are you reviewing?
Since 2011, exactly ONE 3rd round prospect pick has been traded. That was in 2014 and I am pretty sure that ended up being a 2nd anyway. There was one other instance of a "last" p-pick being traded.
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| | | 259 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 10:59
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1) yes- B
2) yes
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| | | 260 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 12:12
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question on additional scenario to 257:
Khahan has 4 prospect slots including his original 3 and 3 prospects. Under the current rule I would have use my own round 1, 2 and 3 slots to keep those 3 prospects leaving me with 2.14 as my prospect pick. Under the slot system I could use 3.10, 2.14, and 2.10 for my prospects leaving me with 1.11 as a prospect pick.
Is that how we would work slots - just start at the back end and plug prospects in until we're out of slots or out of prospects?
For votes:
1 - soft yes. If it stays at 3, I'm cool but I'm willing to test expanding. So lets hit 1a as a yes
2 - Strong yes to the concept with whatever wording we use. I still think the wording in 244 is very wonky.
Instead of this: After declaration of kept, released or called up prospects, Managers are assigned new prospect slots dependent upon how many prospects they kept - with the total sum of kept prospects and new picks limited to the total number of prospect slots you own.
which makes it sound like there is a lot more going on than there really is (why do we get slots assigned after keepers for example)?
I would say something like this:
Our prospect draft will consist of 3 rounds for a total of 60 picks. Draft order will be based on the final standings from the prior year, modified by our lottery.
Each spot in the draft may be used to:
1. keep a currently owned prospect
2. draft a new player
3. trade to another team
And leave it at that. That language leaves open the ability to keep as many prospects as you have slots for.
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| | | 261 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 12:19
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260: Yes. The mechanics would be that you use your 'worst' picks/slots/whatever first and are left with your best.
251: I guess I worded this all poorly. I know what I am trying to craft, and what I have crafted makes sense in my own head. But I am used to the mechanics so I am certainly missing aspects that are helpful to others. I have valued your offer to help, but one thing you need to remove from your mind is limiting the use of other team's picks solely as a way of replacing your own departed pick. I realize that was what you focused all of your support for, but that is not what is being proposed. The proposal takes your wish and extends it to keeping as many prospects as picks you own.
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| | | 262 | youngroman
ID: 711441914
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 13:21
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1. No, 5/100
2. No
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| | | 263 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 13:45
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1) Yes, B
2) Yes
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| | | 264 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 15:15
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1) Yes, either
2) Yes
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| | | 265 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 15:26
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Species, from last years thread:
“
Khahan sends his round 3 prospect and R9 supplemental pick to BH
BH sends his R6 supplemental pick to Khahan
“
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| | | 266 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Wed, Jan 02, 2019, 21:36
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1. No. 4
2. Yes
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| | | 267 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 05:18
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1) yes (either)
2) yes
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| | | 268 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 10:46
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****** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ******
LYMAN TRADES
Roberto Osuna
Prospect Pick 1.04
THUMPER TRADES
Andrew Miller
Jeff McNeil
Prospect Pick 1.01
Please drop Shin Soo Choo from Lyman's roster
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| | | 269 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 10:50
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Confirmed
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| | | 270 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 11:49
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1. Yes, B/5
2. Yes
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| | | 271 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 14:44
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1-yes 5
2-yes
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| | | 272 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 11:24
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1. Yes, B/5
2. Yes
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| | | 273 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 12:47
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1. Yes, B/5
2. Yes
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| | | 274 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 15:27
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Yes on 1, 5 keepers.
Still trying to understand 2. Will vote on that later today
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| | | 275 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 18:05
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Gregg Curry - skip past everything and read post 257. I was super confused, too, until I read that post.
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| | | 276 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 01:54
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Yes on 1, 5.
Yes on 2.
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| | | 277 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 15:28
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100 p-picks and unlimited p-keepers? Consider how this dilutes the market. We’re adding 40 more p-keeper spots. Instead of making 3rd rounders more valuable, 4th and 5th rounders become a cheap cost for p-keepers. I’m all for creative ideas, but this is a big change to supply and demand. I agree with youngroman in [190] the more prospects are drafted, the bigger the possible loopholes get because the difference between a 1st round and last round pick gets bigger. At least with 60 or 80, there is some strategy to work within what's available. With 100 p-keeper spots, I’d be looking to buy approximately 57 of them. There are multiple approaches to expansion, some drastic, some conservative. Is the goal more prospects per team or more prospects for the league? Is both too much? Providing the voice of caution as we think through the pros/cons of each.
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| | | 278 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 20:13
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1) No
2) Yes
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| | | 279 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sat, Jan 05, 2019, 23:06
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Can someone please explain how 100 prospects, rather than 60, makes "3rd rounders less valuable"? I'm quoting Fosten there, but I have read that a number of times throughout this discussion.
The other thing I need explained is how a team "loading up on prospects" will somehow hurt the integrity of the league.
I am seriously asking these questions, not in sarcasm or disagreement, but truly out of curiosity, because I've been unable to wrap my head around most of the dissenting comments regarding prospect expansion. Helping me understand might be beneficial to those against prospect expansion, as maybe it will cause me to change my "Yes, either" vote to "Yes, 4" or to "No" altogether. Please use "real world examples" like Species did in Post 257."Fake world examples" are sufficient too.
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| | | 280 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Jan 06, 2019, 00:03
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261: All good. It has been fun thinking through the language. 'Forfeit acquired p-picks' seems easier to say than 'replace/acquire p-slots', but I understood what you were getting at. I was pointing out that all options can allow teams to forfeit acquired p-picks: [177] standard max, [249] arbitrary max, or [253] unlimited max. Just because any p-pick can be forfeited, doesn't mean it needs to be unlimited p-keepers. Likewise, the limited doesn't have to be 4 with 80 picks for example, could be limited to 6 (own 11 picks: keep 6, draft 5) or some other arbitrary number (think of it as "over-slotting" if you like). There are multiple choices, none of which are necessarily dependent on each other.
279: I meant to say forfeiting acquired p-picks in a 60 pick scenario increases the value of 3rd rounders more than they are today (ie. nobody ever trades them, because you can only use them on your own p-keepers). When you can forfeit acquired p-picks in a 100 pick scenario, 2nd and 3rd likely get used as picks, but the overall cost of keeping prospects gets watered down by the 40 extra possible keeper slots (ie. using 4ths and 5ths to keep prospects). I am not sure I have a favorite combination, nor do I know what would work best, but combining both extremes 100/unlimited seems to present the biggest change and the most risk.
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| | | 281 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Jan 06, 2019, 01:17
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It might be that I'm not even in tune with the current system as it is.
Here is how I thought the current system works: Let's just say everybody currently has three prospects they control. (No P-picks have been traded. 60 prospects off the board, 20 teams each in control of three picks/players.) Now I make a trade to acquire a P-pick. Just for instance, let's say I trade CJ Cron for a prospect pick (any round, 1st, 2nd or 3rd). Do I not now own the rights to all three of my prospects/picks + the additional draft pick to give me control of 4 prospects/picks?
Take my team for example: Let's say I keep Whitley and Honeywell in the minors and drop Nick Gordan. My impression is that I would still have my 1st round P-pick + the P-pick I acquired. I would then start the season with 4 prospects in the minors and my trading partner would start the season with 2 prospects in the minors. Is this correct?
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| | | 283 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Jan 06, 2019, 05:04
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281: Yes, you can own unlimited prospects 364 days a year. Under the current system, you have to whittle down your max p-keepers on deadline day to the number of original p-picks you own. If you trade CJ Cron for a p-pick, you can:
- Keep 3 prospects + the acquired pick
- Keep Whitley and Honeywell + your 1st + the acquired pick
- Keep Whitley + 3 draft picks
- Draft all 4 picks
And since you can only forfeit original p-picks...
- The max you can keep is 3 prospects (even though you have 4 picks to forfeit).
- The max your trade partner can keep is 2 prospects (even though they may have acquired more picks elsewhere)
Given that all new scenarios allow teams to forfeit any p-pick (original or acquired), there are several combinations that provide some form of expansion (60/5, 60/unlimited, 80/4, 80/6, 80/unlimited, 100/5, etc.) What is the goal? More prospects for the league, more prospects per team, or both? And at what point (100/unlimited), do we oversaturate the goal?
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| | | 284 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Jan 06, 2019, 06:22
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After re-reading and better understanding Species' Post 244 and doing the same on Fosten's last couple of posts, I have a deeper understanding regarding some of the cons to the new proposal(s). I'm now more in favor of combination 80/4. Everybody has their own extra prospect/slot to control, yet are unable to use a cheaply-acquired 4th round pick/slot to retain a badass 5th prospect. It probably doesn't matter at this point, but I change my vote to:
1. Yes, 4
2. No
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| | | 285 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Jan 06, 2019, 10:35
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The counter to that, Fosten (in 283) is that in order to keep those picks you are expending other resources. I had to give up something to get that 4th prospect pick. I also had to give up something to get that 4th prospect to keep. And if its not a player that is MLB ready and needs another year or two in the minors then I have to give up something the next season to keep him again.
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| | | 286 | Species
ID: 351051122
Sun, Jan 06, 2019, 17:18
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It is good to talk these things out loud.
Let's fast forward to 2020 and pretend we just implemented the 5/100 limit and everyone has 5 prospects......
Won't most teams be keeping 2, 3 or 4 prospects instead of 1 or 2? As such, I disagree with the notion that 4th and 5th rounders will be traded like extra copies of your Lyman Bostock 1978 Topps card. If you have 5 shots at drafting a good prospect, the likelihood you have 2 or 3 decent keepers means you are USING your 4th and 5th picks on prospect keepers.
One thing I DO see happening more readily is teams jumping on international signees (i.e. Wander Franco at 16 or 17 years old) and Japanese players a year or two earlier because you simply have a deeper "bench". You have to hold them much longer......which reinforces my thought that 3rd/4th/5th rounders are not going to be traded around loosey goosey.
I share Khahan's perspective as it pertains to Fosten's concerns about unlimited keepers. Every pick has a cost. If you want to keep more than 5, there is a cost. Teams trading those assets must then assign the right value to those assets and extract the proper value.
I think this is going to be great. This is going to open up more avenues for managers to improve their teams.
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| | | 287 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 03:05
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Can't view the league and rosters over at ESPN. This is my only ESPN league. Anybody know how long this shutdown usually lasts? I think we're at Day 4 or 5 now. The message below:
WE'RE PREPPING FANTASY BASEBALL FOR THE SEASON
Thanks for playing ESPN Fantasy Baseball. We are currently performing routine maintenance and making game improvements to ensure that you'll have the best experience possible. We'll keep the inconvenience to a minimum and we appreciate your patience during this update period.
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| | | 288 | Khahan
ID: 467501510
Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 09:00
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Yahoo and espn both usually shut down for January and usually come up around super bowl time.
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| | | 289 | Lyman
ID: 5102078
Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 09:21
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True, but with Yahoo you can still find ways to view your leagues and rosters thru your profile. Is there a way to view rosters, etc on ESPN?
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| | | 290 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 11:11
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So, I'm assuming both measures pass, with 5 per?
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| | | 291 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 16:06
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Did everyone vote??
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| | | 292 | GO
ID: 14143919
Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 17:58
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1) yes- B
2) yes
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| | | 293 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 19:50
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19 of 20 teams voted. Tree did abstain on proposal 2, and Fosten qualified his vote on proposal 2 that basically invalidated his vote.
Proposal 1 passes 13 to 6
Of those that expressed an opinion on how much to expand prospects, 10 voted for 5, 4 voted for 4 and 2 expressed support for either. As such, our new limit will be a 5-round draft and a grand total of 100 prospects.
Proposal 2 passes 13 to 4
Okay, I freely admit I need to write better rules. I do like Fosten's "forfeiting" wording and will attempt to do so. I know exactly what we approved. I need to write it better.
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| | | 295 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Jan 08, 2019, 20:29
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If we want to draft 5 in 2020 and keep 5 in 2021 there is at least a logical order to that.
At the same time, the whole purpose of doing this is to give managers more choices ostensibly to make it easier for them to rebuild. What really is the purpose of making everybody wait an extra year?
Assume a manager drafts 3 prospects that wont see the light of mlb until 2020 or 2021. During the season he trades and acquires another prospect. Is there any reason to make him wait 1 more year before keeping all 4 when we know its coming anyway? I say just let us move to the new system in full as of 2020.
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| | | 296 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 08:22
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As far as the prospect rules and discussion, I stand by post 164. Looking forward to seeing how the increase in prospects plus added flexibility with slots impacts the league. It should end up being positive.
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| | | 297 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 10:08
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I'm on the fence regarding 295. If people already traded for picks for 2019, they're at an advantage for 2020, keeping more prospects than they previously drafted.
On the other hand, it's a full year (plus) away.
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| | | 298 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 14:04
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If the timing argument is based on teams who have future picks, I already own two 1st round prospect picks in 2020. If the logic was to make sure I couldn’t use them to benefit on the new rule then rule 2 would have to wait until year 2022 as the 2020-2021 offseason I’d conveivably have extra prospect picked in 2020. I think that’s far too long to wait for a change that was very decisively voted to pass.
For what it’s worth, since they’re 1st round picks and we would have 5 rounds by then, I would be very unlikely to use those 1st round prospect picks as prospect keeper slots considering I own rounds 2-5 behind them.
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| | | 299 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 16:34
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I believe Khahan was responding to a post I actually deleted. After authoring it, I thought twice about it, as it appeared to me to just add more confusion to the process, and I am already gunshy about teams' fluency of our prospect rules......
What I was suggesting was a two-step approach of the implementation of the expansion of the prospect draft to 5 rounds / 5 keepers / 100 total. In my pre-vote summary, I noted I would be pushing this out to 2021....
My rationale involved using Thumper as an example. In the 2019 prospect draft he has 5 picks -- his own 3 and 2 additional first rounders. Barring any additional trades, he will walk out of the 2019 prospect draft with 5 prospects. To me, it would NOT be fair for him to then walk into the 2020 draft with 5 prospects and have him be able to keep all 5 of them without trading for other teams' picks. (while I agree with his rationale in post 298, I am not singling him out, just using his team as the best example).
However, what we could do is retain our 3-keeper maximum for the Prospect Keeper Deadline, but implement a 5-round draft immediately thereafter. Thumper (or anyone else) could still keep more than 3 prospects by way of Proposal 2 passing, but they have to pay the cost of using an acquired pick to do so.
NOTE: Guru and Fosten, teams who have traded AWAY 2020 picks, have each agreed to not allow their trades to effect what we choose to do in implementing these new rules for 2020.
Thoughts / questions? It is not my intention to unilaterally apply this. I want feedback.
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| | | 300 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 16:58
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I'd prefer not to have one team dictate the future of the league. If Thumper has 5 picks a year early, so be it. He traded for them fair and square. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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| | | 301 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 09, 2019, 18:20
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300: Nerf, Thumper was just an example. But in general, in the history of G20 we have delayed implementation of new rules when they might unfairly effect one team more than another. To me, it is not equitable to implement a rule change after the fact. "Team A" could feel that they would not have traded their 2019 picks if this rule was in place before they made the trade. I gave Guru and Fosten 100% veto authority over implementing in 2020 because of this.
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| | | 302 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 14:49
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I don’t mind being the example. I understand the fear of the precedent set on implementing changes that impact pre-agreed trades. In a dynasty league I think any change would impact teams differently depending on their players as the top dynasty players would be kept through many years and potential rule changes.
I know the concern is that I’d (or someone with extra prospect picks now) would have an advantage to keep our multiple prospects. I’m already finding value from my extra prospect picks made last year through trading them so I don’t think there’s a difference... next year I just might be able to keep the prospects.
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| | | 303 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 19:27
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i'm all in favor of amassing and keeping prospects from right now until the end of time. :D
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| | | 304 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 22:50
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I think keeping 3 next year(or trading for additional slots) and drafting 5 makes the most sense. Those picks were acquired with the thought that only 3 could be kept so I don’t think there’s a great reason for keeping more before we drafted more. It definitely changes the dynamics of this prospect draft and makes picks more valuable if we can keep 5 next year.
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| | | 305 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 02:00
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The Thumper example sways me. 3 keeps, 5 picks in 2020.
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| | | 307 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 18:01
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304 / 305: That is the way I am going, barring a swell of dissent to the contrary:
-- Three keepers for the 2019 Prospect Keeper deadline --
-- Three round Prospect Draft in 2019 --
-- Three keepers for the 2020 Prospect Keeper deadline (with the allowance to exceed 3 via the use of acquired prospect picks) --
-- Five round Prospect Draft in 2020 --
-- Five keepers, five round prospect draft in 2021 and beyond --
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| | | 308 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 18:50
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Well, in record time, ESPN has brought up their 2019 Fantasy Baseball platform. Kudos to them for doing so very quickly relative to past years. For the bad news, the new platform is also the one used for Basketball, which has received very poor reviews by many Gurupies.
I guess we will need to see how it works for baseball before considering making a change. But for now, I have refreshed the league standings to take into account our rule changes from last year. Specifically:
1) Addition of 3 DL Spots
This is noted in the constitution and is limited to 2019 Keepers only. They do not have to be your keepers, but you cannot add a DL'd keeper off of the waiver wire and place them in your own DL spot. You can still claim them, but they have to eat an active spot.
2) Addition of 3 SP Spots
This increases the total number of pitching spots to 9. These spots are only for pitchers who qualify as SP under ESPN's eligibility rules. Teams are NOT required to fill these spots - they are additional spots to allow for flexibility. We did not increase our roster.
3) Lowered max games played to 165 per position
4) Lowered maximum innings pitched to 1350
Let me know if you have any questions, concerns, corrections, etc.
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| | | 309 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 19:27
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So, some bad news from ESPN. I inquired about whether or not we can back-date the A's / M's games in Japan after the fact. The answer is no.
Last years Opening Day was March 29th, and we used the following schedule:
- Keepers due Friday March 9th, Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Saturday March 10th, Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Sunday March 10th, Noon ET
- Supplemental draft opens Tuesday March 13th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Wednesday March 14th
We finished the supplemental draft on the 21st. But to get the season started in ESPN, we need to re-enter the draft, which cannot always be done immediately. IMO we have two choices:
1) Move the entire schedule back approximately 4 days and hope we are equally efficient in our S-Draft as last year.
2) Ignore the 2 games series to allow for more time and people with Ms / As keepers are just screwed.
.......and I suppose we can investigate Yahoo to see if they support back-dating games. But if they do not, we have an unfortunate "nobody wins" type of scenario where some teams are disadvantaged no matter what we do.
I imagine we probably have to make this a full vote. Thoughts??
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| | | 310 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 21:32
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Post 309 - unfortunately yahoo is not up and running yet. If last season is anything to go by, it could be mid-february until they are ready.
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| | | 311 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 11:32
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Well, being a Khris Davis owner, I have a stake in those 2 games. I'd prefer them to be played. Can't we load what we have of the draft on the 19th, start running the league, and allow for adding FA's as we draft them? There'd be no waivers or anything like that. You can only add players you drafted. I suspect the draft will be in it's last couple rounds anyway.
I will be doing something similar in the league I run, since I will be out of town until the 9th and probably not drafting until the 12th.
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| | | 312 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 11:35
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Oh and, specifically, that first game starts on March 20th at 5:35 am EDT.
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| | | 313 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 13:35
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311: no matter what we do, we give up something in the process.
But if we go with the plan of: "You accumulate stats for any keepers you have plus any Oak/Sea players drafted by the game time deadline" plan.......what I think we give up in doing that is the ability to re-enter the draft so that all undrafted players go on waivers at the end of the draft. I would think that in that process we would wipe out the accumulated stats previously earned. I am not 100% sure on that, but I have a good feeling it would be so and would not want to risk losing those stats.
We could mandate that upon completion of the Supplemental Draft there is a "no pickup zone" of time (basically 1 day) where no pickups can be made. But what that gives up is waiver order......at the set time it is a free-for-all for free agents and those with initial waiver priority lose that opportunity.
Perhaps the above is the best compromise. I agree with the faction that does not want to start the calendar any earlier than necessary, and I also agree with those that believe the games should count. This would appease both, at the cost of not having the undrafted players go on waivers.
Thoughts?
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| | | 314 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 13:50
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And as a reminder to teams, and for the information of Gregg and Stan as new managers, here is how we accomplish our keepers and draft in this league:
1) ESPN processes our keepers automatically at a pre-set date and time
2) We enter an "offline draft" of basically no one so that all players in the ESPN database then become available as "free agents". This technically starts the league and would allow us to capture the Oak/Sea game stats for teams with those players.
We can assign prospects that are called up during this process as well.
3) We do an offline draft through a website called Draftime.com. This software sends email reminders when you are up to draft. The website has a queue system that allows you to input either a global queue of players to pick from or pick-based queues specific to that pick.
Example: you are 3rd in line for your 2nd round pick. You are going into a 3-hour meeting, but know you would pick any one of three potential players. You can queue up those 3 players, set the software to pick the best player according to that queue, and not hold up the draft.
4) We then manually pick up that drafted player out of the ESPN database and place that player on our own team. What is nice is that the ESPN database is available to show the best players at any particular position. You get the benefit of a real-time draft board without having to do a true "live" draft.
5) At the completion of the draft, we re-enter the offline draft results from scratch. In this process, it takes the pool of undrafted players and then puts them on waivers. We set the waiver order, and then the league continues on in normal fashion as we are all used to during the season.
In the compromise idea noted by Nerfherders, it is my opinion that we would lose step 5 in this process. Those with waiver priority would be slightly disadvantaged by not getting the benefit of their priority on that pool of free agents after the draft. I believe that disadvantage is much less than the other two alternatives - those being
1) start the way too early; or
2) losing the stats from the 2 early Japanese MLB games
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| | | 315 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 15:20
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I believe I enter this season with the last waiver priority.
Suppose that I serve as the "waiver consolidator" during a post-draft lockout period. If anyone wants to make a waiver claim immediately after the draft, they send me an email with the add/drop info. At a specified time, I consolidate those claims, and process the add/drops. Waiver priorities are then adjusted, and the moratorium on add/drops is ended.
Since I am last in priority, I would have a limited opportunity to benefit from any inside info. (I suppose if someone made multiple claims, then I wouldn't necessarily be last for those subsequent claims. At that point, you'd have to trust me.)
Or get some other unaffiliated person to serve as the waiver collector. At the end of the initial waiver period, that person would simply forward the list of submitted claims to the commish for consolidation and processing.
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| | | 316 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 16:11
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I like 314 and 315. I didn't realize you essentially started over just to do waivers. One would think there would be a commish button in there somewhere that would put all players on waivers.
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| | | 317 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 16:16
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one would think...
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| | | 318 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 10:15
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I'm ok with this plan, although I suspect starting just a couple days earlier with both get the draft finished, and not be "starting too early."
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| | | 319 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 10:40
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BTW, if I recall correctly from Hoops, with the new ESPN framework, if the commish adds players to teams through the "offline draft" interface, those players were added to rosters immediately and removed from the viewable pool. If so, then once the draft is completed, there is no need to clear it out and then start afresh.
This differed from the prior setup, where players had to be added to teams via F/A pickups in order to be removed from the available pool.
This could be tested during preseason. It's possible that our handling of prospects might create some anomalies as well.
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| | | 320 | Tree
ID: 217372011
Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 11:11
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The market for Aaron Judge has suddenly gotten red hot, and I may very well move him before the weekend.
The packages I've been offered are strong,and if you think you can do better, send me an offer and let's start talking.
My self imposed deadline to sit it move him is Friday night.
(apologies if there are multiple posts on this. My phone seems to have an issue at the moment.)
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| | | 321 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 15:25
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Looking for some late round p picks for players like Chris Archer, Seranthony Dominguez, Trevor May, Franmil Reyes, and Josh James. Give a holler if any of those names appeal to you.
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| | | 322 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 17:14
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319: BTW, if I recall correctly from Hoops, with the new ESPN framework, if the commish adds players to teams through the "offline draft" interface, those players were added to rosters immediately and removed from the viewable pool. If so, then once the draft is completed, there is no need to clear it out and then start afresh.
Great, but I wonder if the site will accumulate stats for those rostered players before clicking the "I am finished entering the offline draft" button ?!?
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| | | 323 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 17:22
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Probably not. I imagine you would have to click the "I am finished" button before March 20, and then we'd have to revert back to plan B [315 or something like that].
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| | | 324 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 15:50
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323: I figured and would be hesitant to risk it.
Prevailing plan (subject to change as the preseason unfolds) for our league calendar / handling the Japanese games on March 20th and 21st (which is basically the 19th and 20th for us in the US):
- Proceed with our calendar to accommodate the March 28th "true" Opening Day
- Current expectation is to duplicate the calendar in post 309, albeit starting 1 day earlier
- We will "start" the league upon the completion of keepers and 10th keepers and those players are all assigned to their respective teams (somewhere around March 9th/10th)
- As the draft is completed, all teams will pick up their drafted players in real time and add them to their teams
- Any Oakland or Seattle players that are kept in your 9, 10th keepered (Kikuchi!) OR drafted in time to be active for those games may be activated for those games
- It is up to each individual manager to both PICK UP their Oak/Sea drafted players and place them into their active lineups in time for the game roster lock deadline in order to get credit for those games
(no whining about having drafted a player but you were away and couldn't pick up him)
- Upon completion of the Supplemental Draft, we will use the "Guru waiver system" as outlined in post 315
Please post your questions or concerns.
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| | | 325 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jan 17, 2019, 23:02
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Any of you Philly area Gurupies want to meet up next week?
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| | | 326 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 12:07
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Michael Brantley, Daniel Murphy(Coors Field), and Wade Davis available for late round prospect picks or supplemental pick upgrades.
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| | | 327 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 17:29
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BLOCKBUSTER TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Tree trades to Thumper
Aaron Judge, OF, NYY
Jose Alvarado, RP, TB
Meatwads trades to Thumper
Joey Gallo, 3B/OF, TEX
David Price, SP, BOS
Billy Hamilton, OF, KAN
Supplemental pick 3.18
Thumper trades to Tree
Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT
Jean Segura, SS, PHI
Joey Gallo, 3B/OF, TEX
Max Kepler, OF, MIN
Supplemental pick 1.19
Thumper trades to Meatwads
Stephen Strasburg, SP, WSH
P pick 1.05
P pick 1.14
Both clubs to confirm.
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| | | 328 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 17:36
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man, that trade is insane.
what's wrong with those owners?!?!?!?!
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| | | 329 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 17:57
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327 - Confirmed
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| | | 330 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 18:58
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Who gets Joey Gallo?
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| | | 331 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 19:00
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confirmed. me.
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| | | 332 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 19:05
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Ok, that’s what it looked like but he was listed twice so wanted to make sure.
Crazy trade! My head hurts thinking about negotiating it.
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| | | 333 | Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Jan 19, 2019, 16:16
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Great trade guys. Wow!
In the future, it is OK to simply list the end results of a multi-team trade - i.e. who ended up with whom. I get that it was probably helpful for your own purposes in breaking it down, but it is not required.
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| | | 334 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jan 20, 2019, 17:48
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Again, Philly area Folks, now is a good time to speak up.
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| | | 335 | GO
ID: 14143919
Sun, Jan 20, 2019, 19:29
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I have spoken from Philly area, that will bring the crowd! and lets add one of my 3B to this deal for Judge and be done with it.
Anyone want to get a deal done in person...
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| | | 336 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 18:15
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Lord knows I’ll be making plenty of trades in person there
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| | | 337 | blue hen
ID: 330362218
Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 19:36
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Non in-person Trade Announcement
Youngroman receives:
- OF Brandon Nimmo, NYM
- SP James Paxton, NYY
Blue Hen receives:
- OF J.D. Martinez, BOS
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| | | 338 | youngroman
ID: 711441914
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 10:30
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trade confirmed.
anyone interested in some Cabrera's? they can be had for cheap (= pick upgrades)
Miguel did well until he went down. according to ESPN he had a 1.248 OBP and a 0.000 SLG last year. someone needs to explain to me how this is possible. I'll take en explanation from any expert, human or non-human, in the fields of mathematics/statistics/alienology. when healthy, he is still good for 20+ HR's with an above average OBP.
Asdrubal signed with the Rangers yesterday. he posted serviceable numbers last year and has the bonus of position flexibility (2B, SS, 3B)
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| | | 339 | Species
ID: 351051122
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 12:31
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Big trade. I am getting some vehement feedback. I offer the following overarching observations, all of which I feel are true:
- No manager has to advertise that a player is available (i.e. Tree did with judge)
- Every manager in this league could have noticed that youngroman may have been short a keeper or two
- youngroman even "advertised" what his keepers were likely to be. He had his likely keepers in his starting lineup and his likely cuts on his bench.
- Upset you didn't get a shot at JD? Be mad at yourself, like I am. All it takes is starting the conversation to see what happens.
- I would not have made this trade if I were in Roman's shoes.
- But it is funny how often this league has reacted one way to a trade and have it turn out the opposite.
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| | | 340 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 13:45
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339: Ahh yes, gotta love the closet whiners (insert sarcasm here). Anyone who thinks yr doesn't know what he's doing doesn't have a clue. I remember getting raked for trading Scherzer/Prince/Choo for Giancarlo/Hosmer (flipped Hosmer for Bryant). I didn't expect Prince's career to end quite like that, but did mention, at the time, that I saw it paralleling Mo Vaughn's. Seeing that I acquired two franchise pillars, the trade turned out just fine for me. My overall point is let a trade playout before raking someone over the coals or whining to the commish in private.
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| | | 341 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 13:50
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After running the projections, my team is slated to finish 19th...I have Kershaw and am looking to sell.
Ideally I would like a player to replace him and prospect(s).
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| | | 342 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 14:41
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This one was pretty simple. After not getting Judge, I took pieces of the Judge offer and looked at other players. The original deal for Judge had been Paxton/Schwarber/Nimmo, although it escalated to include other players and picks as the other offers came. So, I offered Paxton and Schwarber for JD, a step down from Judge reflecting JD’s age and (slightly) lower performance and overall history. Roman said he didn’t want Schwarber- he wanted more SB potential, without hurting OBP or HR. So I laid out Nimmo, McCutchen, and Andrus, each of whom fit that description. Roman came back and said he wanted to do Paxton and Nimmo for JD. Done deal.
Perhaps he could have advertised more, but these were clearly players he wanted, and that other managers wanted too- Tree was willing to make them the centerpiece of a deal for one of the best players in baseball. And both guys are younger than JD, Nimmo by a lot. Most importantly, Roman still has holes to fill, so you should make offers.
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| | | 343 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 16:54
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Instead of being upset just bug as many managers as you can about trades all the time like I do :D
Just bug me first because I’m always wanting to deal.
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| | | 344 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 11:17
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Are trades being processed by the ESPN league page now or here at the board? I'm wholly confused when looking at other teams' rosters, as many of the players involved in the 3-team blockbuster have and/or have not changed hands. Also, the J.D. trade, it would seem, should go through the voting process.
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| | | 345 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 20:40
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** Trade Announcement **
Nerfherders receives:
Masahiro Tanaka
Aroldis Chapman
Keston Hiura (Prospect)
Species' 4.13
Species receives:
Max Scherzer
Nerf's 3.08
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| | | 346 | Nerfherders
ID: 2211442615
Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 20:45
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Confirmed
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| | | 347 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 21:24
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Constitution
Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14; 33-35 '15; 36-38 '16; 39-41 '17; 42-44 '18)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
bmd: 39.03 Vladimir Guerrero Jr, 3b, TOR; 42.01 Fernando Tatis Jr, SS, SD; 42.08 MacKenzie Gore, SP, SD; 43.14 Colin Moran, 3b, PIT
Blue Hen: 43.15 Yusei Kikuchi, SP, Seibu Lions NPB; 44.03 Yordan Alvarez, 1B, HOU
Darkside: 43.08 Austin Hays, OF, Bal; 44.01 Alec Hansen, SP, Det
Great One: 36.01 Brendan Rodgers, SS, COL; 40.04 Kyle Lewis, OF, SEA; 42.09 Triston McKenzie, SP, CLE
GreggoRomans: 39.01 Mickey Moniak, OF, PHI; 40.02 Alex Verdugo, OF, LAD; 42.04 Sixto Sanchez, SP, PHI
Guru: 39.18 Francisco Mejia, C, CLE
Fosten: 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT (1); Kolby Allard, SP, ATL; 42.12 Luis Gohara, SP, ATL; 43.03 Mitch Keller, SP, PIT; 43.11 Jesus Sanchez, OF, TB
Khahan: 39.12 Yadier Alvarez, SP, LAD; 43.12 Christian Arroyo 3rd/SS TB; 44.04 Derek Fisher, OF, HOU
Lyman: 34.09 Nick Gordon, SS, MIN; 40.07 Brent Honeywell, SP, TB; 42.06 Forest Whitley, SP, HOU; 42.16 Michael Chavis, 3b, BOS
Meatwads: 42.05 Jhailyn Ortiz, OF, PHI
mjd: 39.02 Kevin Maitan, SS, ATL; 42.03 Royce Lewis, SS, MIN; 42.10 Austin Riley, 3b, ATL; 43.01 Michael Soroka, P, ATL
Nerfherders: 43.09 Brendan McKay, SP/1B TB; 42.19 Keston Hiura, 2B, MIL
Slizz: 42.07 Taylor Trammell, OF, CIN; 42.14 Jo Adell, OF, LAA; 44.02 Gabriel Arias, SS, SD
Species: 36.17 Victor Robles, OF, WAS; 39.04 Nick Senzel, 3b, CIN; 42.17 Estevan Florial, OF, NYY
Thumper: 42.02 Bo Bichette, 2b/SS, TOR; 42.20 Carter Kieboom, SS, WSH
Tree: 39.10 Kyle Tucker, OF, HOU; 39.08 Michael Kopech, SP, CWS; 42.05 Willie Calhoun, OF, TEX (1); 43.02 Luis Urias, IF, SD
ttucowboy:
Tosh: 37.12 Anthony Alford, OF, TOR
wg: Willy Adames, SS, TB (2); 42.18 Hunter Greene, SP, CIN; 43.04 Leody Taveras, OF, Rangers
youngroman: 39.15 Luis Robert Moiran, OF, Cuba; 42.13 Michael Baez, SP, SD; 43.10 Kyle Wright, SP, ATL
These managers have had their 2019 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-17 Thumper receives WG's 1st (Desmond + Harvey / B. Rodgers)
3-25-17 Meatwads receives WG's 7th for his 11th (2017 pick swap)
3-30-17 bmd receives Species' 7th and 9th for his 10th and 11th (2017 pick swaps)
5-21-17 Thumper receives WG's 8th for his 14th (Triggs, Wheeler / Altherr)
2-08-18 Species receives Meatwads' 4th for his 12th (Gordon/Cruz/E5)
2-09-18 GO receives slizz' 4th for his last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
2-09-18 GO receives Thumpers 3rd for his second to last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
3-07-18 Thumper receives Species' 5th for his 9th (Godley)
3-08-18 slizz receives bmd's 3rd for his 14th (W. Davis)
3-15-18 Great One receives Meatwads' 2nd and 5th for his 7th and last (2018 Supplemental)
3-16-18 Great One receives Fosten's 4th for his 10th (Matz)
3-16-18 mjd gets WG's 4th for his 14th (Winker, 2018 picks)
3-20-18 Fosten gets WG's 12th for his 14th (2018 pick)
4-12-18 Thumper receives his own 3rd back (via GO) for his 10th (Morrow)
4-15-18 Species receives WG's 3rd for his 8th (H. Ramirez)
4-16-18 Judy receives WG's 6th for her 7th (Peraza / Kennedy)
4-23-18 slizz receives Thumper's 6th for his 10th (O'Neill)
4-28-18 bmd receives slizz' 6th for his 8th (Hicks)
4-29-18 mjd receives slizz' 7th for his 11th (Gibson)
5-11-18 bmd receives blue hen's 2nd for his 13th (Boxberger)
5-25-18 darkside receives Tree's 8th for his 11th (Grandal / Andujar)
6-10-18 Species receives slizz' best 3rd for his 6th (Kemp)
6-18-18 Species receives WG's 5th for Thumper's 9th (via Species) (S. Wright, Solarte)
7-03-18 slizz receives Meatwads' 1st (Hand/Price/Morton)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 3rd for his 13th (Keuchel)
8-04-18 darkside receives blue hen's 11th for his 14th (Herrera/Gsellman)
8-05-18 Fosten receives Meatwads' 9th for his last (Hamilton / Hand)
8-08-18 darkside receives Guru's 5th for his 9th (S. Greene)
8-10-18 WG receives blue hen's 3rd for his 10th (Peraza)
8-15-18 Judy receives WG's best 11th for her last (Lynn / Barraclough)
8-20-18 youngroman receives Guru's 11th for his 14th (E. Jackson)
8-20-18 mjd receives WG's 11th for his 14th (Chacin)
8-25-18 Fosten receives ttucowboy's 7th for his 12th (B. Parker)
11-7-18 Khahan receives 3.09 from Fosten for his 14.10 (P-pick)
11-8-19 Thumper receives 2.09 and 6.09 from Fosten for his 4.04 and 5.13 (Keller)
11-13-18 Tree receives Lyman's 6.03 for his 14.07 (Winker)
11-16-18 Nerfherders receives Lyman's 9.03 for his 12.08 (Brinson)
11-18-18 darkside receives Lyman's 4.03 for his 13.06 (Voit)
11-18-18 Fosten receives Lyman's 1.01 and 10.03 for his 11.09 and 12.19 (Dahl, Chavis)
11-19-18 Lyman receives Meatwads' 6.18 for his 11.03 (Segura/Castillo)
11-27-18 Greggo receives Lyman's 5.03 for his 12.01 (G. Sanchez)
11-28-18 Species receives Lyman's 2.03 for his 11.15 (Conforto/Chapman/Villar/Franco/Rosario)
11-30-18 Thumper receives Greggo's 1.03 for his 13.04 (Shaw, P-picks)
12-3-18 Greggo receives Meatwads' 7.12, 7.18 and 7.19 for his 11.01, 11.19 and 13.01 (Hicks, Morton, P-pick)
12-3-18 Fosten receives Nerfherders' 6.08, 13.08 and 14.08 for his 7.09, 8.09 and 10.09 (Gohara, Allard)
12-31-18 Tree receives Thumper's 5.04 for his 13.07 (Taillon / Tucker)
1-18-19 Thumper receives Meatwads’ 3.18 (Judge/Gallo/etc)
1-18-19 Tree receives Thumper’s 1.19 (Judge/Gallo/etc)
1-24-19 Species receives Nerfherders’ 3.08 for his 4.13 (Scherzer / Tanaka + Chapman + Hiura)
The following managers have had their 2019 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
8-17-17 Thumper receives Fosten's 1st and 2nd round picks (Meadows)
5-20-18 Khahan receives ttucowboy's 1st and 2nd round picks (Dozier)
5-25-18 blue hen receives Khahan's best 2nd round pick (Semien)
7-03-18 Thumper receives Guru's 1st (Mikolas, Cueto)
7-27-18 Khahan receives Fosten's 2nd (via Thumper) (Strasburg)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 2nd (Keuchel)
8-25-18 Khahan receives his best 2nd back (via 5-25 trade w/blue hen - McCutcheon)
11-7-18 Fosten receives his own 2nd back via Khahan (S-pick)
11-18-18 Fosten receives Lyman's 2.03 (Dahl, Chavis)
11-30-18 Thumper receives Greggo's 1.01 for his 1.10 and 1.20 (Shaw, S-pick)
12-3-18 Meatwads receives Greggo's 1.10 (via Thumper) (Hicks, Morton, S-picks)
12-8-18 Thumper receives Khahan's 1.14 (Kingery)
1-03-19 Lyman receives Thumper's 1.01 for his 1.04 (Osuna / Miller)
1-18-19 Meatwads receives Thumper’s 1.05 and 1.14 (Judge/Gallo/et al)
These managers have had their 2020 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-15-18 Thumper receives GO's 2nd and 5th for his 7th and 14th (Britton / Eaton + Calhoun)
5-10-18 bmd receives WG's 1st for his 14th (W. Davis)
5-15-18 Lyman receives Meatwads' 2nd for his last (A. Simmons)
6-20-18 Species receives Tosh's 5th for his 7th (Dyson)
7-03-18 Species receives GO's 6th for his 10th (Sabathia)
12-3-18 Meatwads receives Greggo's 5th and 6th for his last two (Hicks/Morton, 2019 S and P picks)
The following managers have had their 2020 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
7-03-18 Thumper receives Guru's 1st (Mikolas, Cueto)
11-8-18 Thumper receives Fosten's 1st (Keller, S-pick swap)
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| | | 348 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 21:26
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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. ESPN site being all wonky and won't let me edit the League Manager Note to post the updated constitution. So I figured I would delete the one I have, save it, and re-insert a new full document. BUZZZZZZZ! Wrong!
So posted the prospects and all trades immediately above. PS - the draft grids are up to date as well.
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| | | 349 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 21:28
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Pretty sure Colin Moran is over the limits. You can punt him off my team.
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| | | 350 | Lyman
ID: 5102078
Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 18:59
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Anybody know of an expedited way of contacting YoungRomans? Trying to get a trade offer to him via email and that doesn't seem to be working. You can email me at stanfrank@yahoo.com if you have a number of his that I can text.
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| | | 351 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 19:59
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[348] You may never be able to add the Constitution back. Doesn't look like that capability exists in the G20 Hoops league at all.
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| | | 352 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 21:00
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Trade Announcement
BH receives Cameron Maybin (from GO)
Thumper receives Dominic Smith (from BH)
Slizz receives Jorge Alfaro (from Thumper)
GO receives Yandy Diaz (from Slizz)
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| | | 353 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 22:13
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Confirm!
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| | | 354 | GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 22:23
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Confirmed
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| | | 355 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 10:52
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Confirmed
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| | | 356 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 11:19
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| | | 357 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 11:21
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From L to R - Slizz, Blue Hen, Thumqer, GO
Only deal we could manage to make!
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| | | 358 | Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 12:49
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Thumper got raped on that deal! ;)
G20 summit! Sucks being West Coast sometimes.....
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| | | 359 | Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 23:51
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I received an inquiry today that made me realize a proper summary of the timeline of our Prospect Keepers and Prospect Draft rules were in order:
2019 Prospect Keepers:
- Normal, historical rules apply
- 3 keepers per team
- Must have your own picks to keep any keepers
- May not yet use another team's picks to keep a keeper or go over 3 keepers
2019 Prospect Draft:
- Normal, 3 round draft
2020 Prospect Keepers:
- Still limited to 3 keepers per team overall limit
- However, you may use ANY pick - be it your own or one acquired - to keep a prospect keeper
- We will apply your lowest round picks to keepers first....your highest remaining picks will be used in the Prospect Draft
- You may also exceed 3 keepers through the use of someone else's prospect picks
2020 Prospect Draft:
- The 2020 prospect draft will be FIVE rounds in total
- Thus, starting immediately, you have FIVE rounds of picks to trade if you wish
2021 Prospect Keepers (and beyond):
- Every team has 5 keeper spots to start
- You may use your own, or other teams' picks, to keep your keepers
- You may exceed 5 keepers if you have other teams' picks at your disposal
2021 Prospect Draft (and beyond):
- Five round draft
So, value your new 2020 picks accordingly. They can now be used to either replace a traded pick and keep a prospect or to keep more than 5 keepers.
Please ask here or reach out in private with any questions.
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| | | 360 | GO
ID: 578392522
Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 10:51
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I am wondering if the direction i should go with Arenado and Devers is to instead trade one of them for a comparable 2B. Inquire within.
If the baseball roll-out is half as painful as basketball has been, I can't wait to see the complaints here.
Counting to five every time i sort a stat is so much fun. And it consistently bad on all the computers I use, so not wifi related. And no max game limits on the website... mind blowing. Or enough space for the constitution as mentioned above. Another thing that annoys me i that where the days of the week are, they don't have the previous day easily accessible. I have to click the arrow first to bring up prior days, then go back. Current day should always have at least prior day to the left of it. Simple navigation stuff.
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| | | 361 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 11:02
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i want to know the beers being consumed in that picture, because by the looks of things, i'm not impressed.
beer is way more important than fantasy baseball. :D
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| | | 362 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 11:02
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i want to know the beers being consumed in that picture, because by the looks of things, i'm not impressed.
beer is way more important than fantasy baseball. :D
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| | | 363 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 17:07
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I had about half a light beer. And clearly, no it’s not.
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| | | 364 | GO
ID: 578392522
Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 22:15
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Hard cider, so not a beer...
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| | | 365 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 09:28
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Old Fashioned (Bulleit Bourbon)
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| | | 366 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 15:06
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Miller Lite. Not ashamed.
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| | | 367 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 20:34
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Here is my proposed timeline for this year:
- Keepers due Sunday March 10th, Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Monday March 11th, Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Tuesday March 12th, Noon ET
- Supplemental draft opens Friday March 15th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Saturday March 16th
This is actually a couple of days LATER than last year. I do this because we finished on March 21st last year for a March 29th Opening Day. Yes, "Opening Day" is March 28th this year, however, due to our work-around for the Japanese series on March 20th and 21st, we will not need to re-enter our draft this year, so there is less to do administratively.
As a reminder, as originally noted in post 324, following is our plan to accommodate the Japanese games and get those stats to count:
- Proceed with our calendar to accommodate the March 28th "true" Opening Day
- We will "start" the league upon the completion of keepers and 10th keepers and those players are all assigned to their respective teams (somewhere around March 11th)
- As the Supplemental Draft is completed, all teams will pick up their drafted players in real time and add them to their teams
- Any Oakland or Seattle players that are kept in your 9, 10th keepered (Kikuchi!) OR drafted in time to be active for those games may be activated for those games
- It is up to each individual manager to both PICK UP their Oak/Sea drafted players and place them into their active lineups in time for the game roster lock deadline in order to get credit for those games
(no whining about having drafted a player but you were away and couldn't pick up him)
- Upon completion of the Supplemental Draft, we will use the "Guru waiver system" as outlined in post 315
Please post any concerns. Thanks.
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| | | 368 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 20:51
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Looks good to me. Thanks, Species, for keeping the league running!
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| | | 369 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 22:04
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Great job on this, Gregg! Two thumbs up!!!
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| | | 370 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 18:33
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I am looking to acquire supplemental picks and have some useful lower-end keeper-quality players that I'm dangling in trade.
1) Domingo Santana - New Mariners' left fielder. Couldn't find playing time last season in the Brewers' stacked OF (Yelich, Cain, Braun), but hit 30 bombs and stole 15 bases as recently as 2017. Still only 26 and still 6-feet-5. Might be the M's next Nelson Cruz.
2) Marwin Gonzalez - Swiss Army knife that is eligible at SS, 2B, 1B, OF (everywhere but 3B and C) and is likely to get a starting gig somewhere. Hit 23 bombs with a .377 OBP in 2017.
3) Lewis Brinson - He's gonna play everyday and was a consensus top-20 prospect as recently as last year. #10 on Ralph Lifshitz 2018 Spring Prospect list and #18 on both Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus' 2018 Spring lists. Nothing to sneeze at.
4) Kenta Maeda - Finally is being given a spot in the rotation and has top-30 SP upside (and I don't think that's hyperbole). He pitches in possibly the best pitchers' park in baseball and plays for possibly the best team in the NL. His K-rate is well over a strikeout per inning and his ratios are always solid, at worst. He won 16 games when given 32 starts in 2016 and is still only 30.
5) Andrew Miller - Even in a shared closer role, if he's healthy, he's Hader with more saves.
6) Dylan Cease - MiLB Pitcher of the Year in 2018. MLB Pipeline has him ranked #21 overall (#10 pitcher overall). Baseball Prospectus ranks him 26th overall. He's got a 70-grade FB and a 65-grade curveball that is being likened to that of Doc Gooden. Will likely be up by June.
Open to all offers - blockbusters or merely picks.
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| | | 371 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 18:45
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As an addendum to post 370, I can be reached at stanfrank@yahoo.com I prefer to text, so if you're cool with that, email your phone number and I will text you and we can work out something via text. Otherwise, if you prefer to chat via email, I'm cool with that too.
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| | | 372 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 19:11
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I am looking to acquire a veteran hitter. Key aspects of this person would be:
- OF preferred, but not required
- HR / OBP focused (relatively speaking - or in other words, not a speed guy solely)
- Low-ish long term keeper value
- 2019 production required - not focused on upside
With my expected prospect call ups, my preference is to not pay "keeper" prices, but rather pay for an aging but still productive hitter.
Assets available for consideration include my middle-value closers (Robertson, Steckenrider), 2019 or 2020 prospect picks and/or 2019 supplemental pick upgrades. I have FOUR 3rd rounders, for example.
I have more or less inquired with just about everybody, but in case I assumed someone you have was off limits or we missed something, hit me up!
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| | | 373 | Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 20:35
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Lyman receives
Ken Giles
Sup pick 13.4
Greggo receives
Domingo Santana
6.18
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| | | 374 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 01:01
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Confirmed.
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| | | 375 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 01:01
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Confirmed.
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| | | 376 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 01:03
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Confirmed
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| | | 377 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 01:03
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Confirmed
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| | | 378 | Meatwads
ID: 58014310
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 01:43
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I guess Greggo was pretty anxious to get that last deal confirmed! He thought the period at the end of the first two confirmations was coming on a little strong though. So two more casual confirms, without periods (more manly) to seal the deal.
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| | | 379 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 03:09
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Haha
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| | | 380 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 13:44
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I am looking for a stud starting pitcher or stud outfielder. I can offer the following:
Prospect picks. I have three, they can be yours.
Yordan Alvarez, (prospect eligible). #19 prospect on DynastyGuru and #15 prospect on Rotowire. According to both lists, you won't get anyone better in the p-draft unless you get Luzardo or Kirilloff (good luck with that).
Supp picks, although I traded away 2.16 and 3.16.
Kyle Schwarber. I don't think I have to mention the 2016 World Series or the 2015 NLCS ball that's still up on the Wrigley scoreboard to sell you on this guy.
Chris Archer. A year ago, he was pretty untouchable. I think 2018 is the outlier and he gets back to his usual 250 k's.
Andrew McCutchen. Power. Speed. Walks. Moving from a terrible ballpark for hitting to one of the best, and a great lineup. Honestly, I want to keep McCutchen, he's going to be great this year.
Jose LeClerc. Not only did he give up zero runs in the ENTIRE second half, he gave up zero runs in winter ball. This guy is basically Edwin Diaz.
Franmil Reyes. 16 home runs in half a season in his age-22 season. There's more power coming.
Seranthony Dominguez. Can't wait to see him get the final out of the 2019 World Series.
Let me know which of these players you want, and which stud you can offer.
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| | | 381 | Khahan
ID: 80441414
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 14:42
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Seranthony Dominguez. Can't wait to see him get the final out of the 2019 World Series.
I didn't realize the Phillies traded him!! hah
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| | | 382 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 15:33
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Greg Holland, freshly signed by the Diamondbacks, once led the mlb in saves back in 2017 & can be had for a bag of balls!
Also available is H. Ryu, SP, LAD - if you need a cheap 9th keeper and want someone who will get some wins...inquire within!
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| | | 383 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 17:14
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I have heard from several of you about Chris Sale, but life has been too hectic to reply yet. My apologies. Hopefully in the next 48 hours.
I'm not opposed to trading him. But he is pretty good, so I'll be looking something comparable to the Scherzer deal. So send me your interest and ideas and I will be back in touch.
Again .. my apologies to those I have not replied to yet.
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| | | 384 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 17:24
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Meatwads trades:
German Marquez, SP, COL
2018 Prospect Picks 1.05 and 1.10
Slizz trades:
Clayton Kershaw, SP, LAD
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| | | 385 | Meatwads
ID: 58014310
Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 17:40
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384 - Confirmed
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| | | 386 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 01, 2019, 03:42
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Been getting plenty of trade inquiries. Thought I would let everyone in on the trade carousel. I am sure some of you have players you may be thinking of cutting, supp picks and/or prospect picks to offer that could be the basis of a deal that works for both sides After a few introductory remarks re my thinking, I will list players for whom I have heard some interest who can be had for the right deal. First, I see myself as at least a year away from competing seriously (barring a miracle), and therefore prefer younger players with upside (, ideally 24-27, maybe a year or two away) to some of my proven vets even if it means a worse finish this year. Second, if today were Keeper Announcement Day, I would keep these 6 Keepers (C. Santana 1b; C. Hernandez 2b; E. Escobar SS; T. Shaw 3b; A. Hicks, OF; and E. Inciarte, OF. Keepers 7-10 (yes I could keep a tenth by promoting Verdugo if I want) would come from the list to follow. Obviously, anyone I don't mention can be had as well. So here's the list (along with my best imitation of a Blue Hen/Species/Lyman-esque sales pitch):
Verdugo - If anyone else sees the value of an extra keeper who is consistently listed as a top 30 prospect and who now looks likely to play with Puig and Kemp traded away, here's your guy. That is currently my plan.
Sixto Sanchez - consistently listed between 17th and 50th on prospect lists the last 2 years, he would almost certainly go off the board within the first 10 picks in this year's prospect draft. So, if you have pick 11-19 and/or something else... well, let's talk. Full disclosure, I have received a couple of good offers already.
Domingo Santana - blocked in Milwaukee last year after the Cain and Yelich acquisitions were added to Braun, Thames, etc, he is 25, and one year removed from a 30 HR, 15 SB, .371 OBP season, and has an everyday job with the Mariners, slated to bat in the middle of the order with Haniger and Edwin Encarnacion. Hell, I may keep him after reading that.
Charlie Morton - a top 25 pitcher last year in Ws, ERA, WHIP, AND Ks. Pitching in a great pitchers park. A good add, especially if you already have a top-tier picher or 2.
Rick Porcello - a top 30 pitcher in Ws (7th), WHIP, and Ks, and a top 40 pitcher in ERA. Pitches efficiently and deep into games, and is therefore always good for Ws (generally a hard category to predict) in a stacked Red Sox line-up.
Cole Hamels - just needed to get out of Arlington. Don't believe me? Check out his Away stats while still a Ranger last year, and then the sick #s he put up with the Cubs all while striking out a batter per inning throughout. Back with the Cubs, expect the good times to keep rolling. Projected to be a top 40 pitcher in mixed leagues again this year.
Ross Stripling - first, a disclaimer: of the pitchers, he's the one I am least likely to trade because of his age and the following stats, but, hey, take a shot if you like what you see. He struck out 10/9 IP while only walking 1.6/9 IP, and look where he fits on the following list:
Top 10 SPs xFIP (100 IP min.)
1. Sale. 2.31
2. deGrom. 2.60
3. Corbin. 2.61
4. Carrasco. 2.90
5. Stripling 2.99
6. Paxton. 3.02
7. Verlander 3.03
8. Cole. 3.04
9. Scherzer. 3.06
10.Kluber. 3.08
Pretty impressive company.
Hope to hear from y'all soon re trades.
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| | | 387 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 01, 2019, 03:45
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One other thing: where's the Mickey Moniak love?!?!
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| | | 388 | ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Fri, Feb 01, 2019, 10:22
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Cody Allen is available to anyone looking for a closer. He landed in about the best situation possible finding a new home in Anaheim. Has already been announced as the closer and is only a year removed from being a top 10 closer. Knowing this league, he'll be gone within the first 5 picks of the 1st round if he's released and he won't cost you a 1st rounder.
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| | | 389 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Fri, Feb 01, 2019, 16:45
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Trade announcement
darkside trades
Roughned Odor
2019 prospect pick 2.6
2019 supplemental pick 12.6
Fosten trades
Raisel Iglesias
2019 supplemental pick 10.12
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| | | 390 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Fri, Feb 01, 2019, 16:48
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Confirmed.
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| | | 392 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Fri, Feb 01, 2019, 16:50
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Trade Announcement
ttucowboy receives
5.9
10.3
Fosten receives
Cody Allen
2020 5th round p-pick
13.14
14.14
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| | | 393 | ttucowboy
ID: 51737190
Fri, Feb 01, 2019, 16:52
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Confirmed
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| | | 394 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Feb 03, 2019, 18:18
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Trade Announcement
Thumper trades
David Price, SP, BOS
Blue Hen trades
Josh James, SP, HOU
Prospect pick 2.17
BH to confirm
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| | | 395 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Feb 03, 2019, 18:21
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Confirmed.
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| | | 396 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Feb 04, 2019, 11:56
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These managers have had their 2019 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-17 Thumper receives WG's 1st (Desmond + Harvey / B. Rodgers)
3-25-17 Meatwads receives WG's 7th for his 11th (2017 pick swap)
3-30-17 bmd receives Species' 7th and 9th for his 10th and 11th (2017 pick swaps)
5-21-17 Thumper receives WG's 8th for his 14th (Triggs, Wheeler / Altherr)
2-08-18 Species receives Meatwads' 4th for his 12th (Gordon/Cruz/E5)
2-09-18 GO receives slizz' 4th for his last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
2-09-18 GO receives Thumpers 3rd for his second to last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
3-07-18 Thumper receives Species' 5th for his 9th (Godley)
3-08-18 slizz receives bmd's 3rd for his 14th (W. Davis)
3-15-18 Great One receives Meatwads' 2nd and 5th for his 7th and last (2018 Supplemental)
3-16-18 Great One receives Fosten's 4th for his 10th (Matz)
3-16-18 mjd gets WG's 4th for his 14th (Winker, 2018 picks)
3-20-18 Fosten gets WG's 12th for his 14th (2018 pick)
4-12-18 Thumper receives his own 3rd back (via GO) for his 10th (Morrow)
4-15-18 Species receives WG's 3rd for his 8th (H. Ramirez)
4-16-18 Judy receives WG's 6th for her 7th (Peraza / Kennedy)
4-23-18 slizz receives Thumper's 6th for his 10th (O'Neill)
4-28-18 bmd receives slizz' 6th for his 8th (Hicks)
4-29-18 mjd receives slizz' 7th for his 11th (Gibson)
5-11-18 bmd receives blue hen's 2nd for his 13th (Boxberger)
5-25-18 darkside receives Tree's 8th for his 11th (Grandal / Andujar)
6-10-18 Species receives slizz' best 3rd for his 6th (Kemp)
6-18-18 Species receives WG's 5th for Thumper's 9th (via Species) (S. Wright, Solarte)
7-03-18 slizz receives Meatwads' 1st (Hand/Price/Morton)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 3rd for his 13th (Keuchel)
8-04-18 darkside receives blue hen's 11th for his 14th (Herrera/Gsellman)
8-05-18 Fosten receives Meatwads' 9th for his last (Hamilton / Hand)
8-08-18 darkside receives Guru's 5th for his 9th (S. Greene)
8-10-18 WG receives blue hen's 3rd for his 10th (Peraza)
8-15-18 Judy receives WG's best 11th for her last (Lynn / Barraclough)
8-20-18 youngroman receives Guru's 11th for his 14th (E. Jackson)
8-20-18 mjd receives WG's 11th for his 14th (Chacin)
8-25-18 Fosten receives ttucowboy's 7th for his 12th (B. Parker)
11-7-18 Khahan receives 3.09 from Fosten for his 14.10 (P-pick)
11-8-19 Thumper receives 2.09 and 6.09 from Fosten for his 4.04 and 5.13 (Keller)
11-13-18 Tree receives Lyman's 6.03 for his 14.07 (Winker)
11-16-18 Nerfherders receives Lyman's 9.03 for his 12.08 (Brinson)
11-18-18 darkside receives Lyman's 4.03 for his 13.06 (Voit)
11-18-18 Fosten receives Lyman's 1.01 and 10.03 for his 11.09 and 12.19 (Dahl, Chavis)
11-19-18 Lyman receives Meatwads' 6.18 for his 11.03 (Segura/Castillo)
11-27-18 Greggo receives Lyman's 5.03 for his 12.01 (G. Sanchez)
11-28-18 Species receives Lyman's 2.03 for his 11.15 (Conforto/Chapman/Villar/Franco/Rosario)
11-30-18 Thumper receives Greggo's 1.03 for his 13.04 (Shaw, P-picks)
12-3-18 Greggo receives Meatwads' 7.12, 7.18 and 7.19 for his 11.01, 11.19 and 13.01 (Hicks, Morton, P-pick)
12-3-18 Fosten receives Nerfherders' 6.08, 13.08 and 14.08 for his 7.09, 8.09 and 10.09 (Gohara, Allard)
12-31-18 Tree receives Thumper's 5.04 for his 13.07 (Taillon / Tucker)
1-18-19 Thumper receives Meatwads’ 3.18 (Judge/Gallo/etc)
1-18-19 Tree receives Thumper’s 1.19 (Judge/Gallo/etc)
1-24-19 Species receives Nerfherders’ 3.08 for his 4.13 (Scherzer / Tanaka + Chapman + Hiura)
1-29-19 Greggo receives Lyman’s 6.18 for his 13.14
2-01-19 darkside receives Fosten’s 10.12 for his 12.06 (Odor / Ingelsias)
2-01-19 ttucowboy receives Fosten’s 5.09 and 10.03 for his 13.14 and 14.14 (Allen/p-pick)
The following managers have had their 2019 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
8-17-17 Thumper receives Fosten's 1st and 2nd round picks (Meadows)
5-20-18 Khahan receives ttucowboy's 1st and 2nd round picks (Dozier)
5-25-18 blue hen receives Khahan's best 2nd round pick (Semien)
7-03-18 Thumper receives Guru's 1st (Mikolas, Cueto)
7-27-18 Khahan receives Fosten's 2nd (via Thumper) (Strasburg)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 2nd (Keuchel)
8-25-18 Khahan receives his best 2nd back (via 5-25 trade w/blue hen - McCutcheon)
11-7-18 Fosten receives his own 2nd back via Khahan (S-pick)
11-18-18 Fosten receives Lyman's 2.03 (Dahl, Chavis)
11-30-18 Thumper receives Greggo's 1.01 for his 1.10 and 1.20 (Shaw, S-pick)
12-3-18 Meatwads receives Greggo's 1.10 (via Thumper) (Hicks, Morton, S-picks)
12-8-18 Thumper receives Khahan's 1.14 (Kingery)
1-03-19 Lyman receives Thumper's 1.01 for his 1.04 (Osuna / Miller)
1-18-19 Meatwads receives Thumper’s 1.05 and 1.14 (Judge/Gallo/et al)
1-31-19 slizz receives 1.05 and 1.10 via Meatwads (Kershaw / Marquez)
2-01-19 Fosten receives 2.06 via darkside (Inglesias/Odor)
2-01-19 Thumper receives 2.17 via blue hen (Price / James)
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| | | 397 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Feb 04, 2019, 12:00
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All trades updated in my Constitution now. Will continue to update here since we can't see all of the trades on the ESPN page anymore.
Please note that the draft grid continues to get updated and is currently up-to-date. These are in posts 54 and 55 of this thread.
We have a month until the league deadlines start! And with February a short month, it will come up fast!
Here is my proposed timeline for this year:
- Keepers due Sunday March 10th, Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Monday March 11th, Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Tuesday March 12th, Noon ET
- Supplemental draft opens Friday March 15th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Saturday March 16th
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| | | 398 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Feb 04, 2019, 15:47
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as my roster starts to take shape, some guys are potential moving parts -
Sal Perez will kill your OBP, but he'll hit a bunch of homers and is a top fantasy catcher.
Max Kepler -
Tyler O'Neill - love both these guys, not sure i can keep both. one, or both in the right deal, are available.
Chris Taylor - versatile, and moderate power, steals, and OBP
Dansby Swanson - can't miss prospect who keeps missing, but has fantastic potential.
Kevin Gausman/Marcus Stroman/Tyler Skaggs - all guys who could finally break out. Gausman was awesome once he went to the national league last year, and some have predicted Stroman as the comeback player of the year for 2019.
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| | | 399 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Mon, Feb 04, 2019, 16:00
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Still looking for one more big bat or arm. Looking for the best player I can get for the combination of Kyle Schwarber, David Price, Chris Archer, Andrew McCutchen, Jose Leclerc, Franmil Reyes, Elvis Andrus, and Seranthony Dominguez.
Can also include S picks, P picks, and Yordan Alvarez.
Also willing to sell off individuals for picks, but far prefer one more bopper.
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| | | 400 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 13:11
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There was already plenty to like about what Matt Chapman did as a rookie in 2017. But his introduction to the majors looked all the more encouraging upon further and deeper review. It’s long forgotten now, but Chapman got off to a miserable start. Through the middle of July, he had a wRC+ of 64, to go with nearly 40% strikeouts. The defense was there — the defense was always going to be there — but it was fair to wonder whether Chapman’s bat had what it would take to succeed. It was early, yes, but Chapman had been exposed. He seemed to be overmatched.
And then, in a flash, he turned the tables. The rest of the way, he carried a wRC+ of 120, and he trimmed his strikeouts all the way to 26%. The way Chapman finished set him up for a breakout and breakthrough 2018, with a 137 wRC+ and a superstar WAR. The strikeout issues were nowhere to be found. Not that Chapman exactly qualifies as a traditional contact hitter, but he makes enough contact to tap consistently into his power. Chapman put the rough intro behind him, and he hasn’t looked back.
With Chapman in mind, allow me to shift the conversation toward Franmil Reyes. Unlike Chapman, Reyes is never going to win a Platinum Glove. If he’s going to have a career, it’ll have to be a career in which he hits. But the good news is that he just made a strong impression. Like Chapman the season before, Reyes just used the final two months to set himself up for a dazzling campaign.
Last season, Reyes was one of just 33 hitters to hit at least one batted ball 115+ miles per hour. It’s an uncommon level to reach, and Reyes also demonstrated his consistency. In peak exit velocity, he ranked in the 94th percentile. In average exit velocity, he ranked in the 95th percentile. In rate of batted balls hit at least 95 miles per hour, he ranked in the 94th percentile. Reyes can hit the ball awfully hard. He hit his average fly ball as hard as Bryce Harper.
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I'll let you guys read the rest, but if you want to be part of that dazzling campaign, I am accepting offers now. By the way, Franmil slashed .444/.510/.689 in winter ball. Get him on your team now; the price is going to be much higher very soon.
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| | | 401 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 15:51
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Thanks for the free Matt Chapman advertisement! He’s available for an upgrade (at 3B or elsewhere) as well!
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| | | 402 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 20:55
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Eric Hosmer available. Eric. Hosmer. Hosmer.
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| | | 403 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 22:14
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Trade Announcement
Blue Hen receives:
- 2019 Supplemental 3.3
- 2020 Lyman's 3rd round prospect pick
Lyman receives:
- Chris Archer, SP PIT
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| | | 404 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 22:30
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Confirmed.
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| | | 405 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 22:36
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Lyman also receives 2019 14.17.
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| | | 406 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 22:38
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Confirmed.
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| | | 407 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 23:17
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trade announcement
thumqers give
Rhys Hoskins, Matt Chapman, Billy Hamilton, Carter Keiboom
Khahan gives
Alex Bregman and JoshBell
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| | | 408 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 23:19
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Confirmed.
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| | | 409 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Feb 05, 2019, 23:20
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Drop glenn sparkman to make this deal work please.
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| | | 410 | Meatwads
ID: 7527232
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 08:48
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Trade Announcement
Tosh trades
Chris Sale, SP, BOS
Meatwads trade
Stephen Strasburg, SP, WSH
Edwin Diaz, RP, NYM
Prospect Pick 1.14
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| | | 411 | Tree
ID: 217372011
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 09:12
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What the hell is going on in this league? Lol.
#TradesEveryDayAllDay
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| | | 412 | Khahan
ID: 80441414
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 10:13
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If you are rebuilding and looking for middle infield talent, Scott Kingery is available for a pick - supp or prospect.
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| | | 413 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 10:45
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Confirmed
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| | | 414 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 10:51
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Yes he G20 hot stove is hotter than real life!
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| | | 415 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 11:00
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The trades are contagious!
I have a few high upside young SP I’m looking to upgrade for more bankable SP.
Shane Bieber (age 23) - 3.23 FIP, 3.30 xFIP, 9.3 K/9
Josh James (age 25) - 3.51 FIP, 3.46 xFIP, 11.3 K/9 (admittedly small sample)
Andrew Heaney (27) - 3.99 FIP, 3.68 xFIP, 9.0 K/9
Joe Musgrove (26) - 3.59 FIP, 3.92 xFIP, 7.8 K/9
I also have Chris Paddack on the MLB roster available
In A+/AA last year- 2.10 ERA, 90 IP, 0.82 WHIP, 120 K, 8 BB
I like to move quickly so don’t hesitate to reach out!
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| | | 416 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 13:06
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I'm entertaining a few offers for Ian Happ and/or Robby Ray.
Inquire within.
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| | | 417 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 13:55
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
TEAM MJD RECEIVES
Forrest Whitley
Amed Rosario
LYMAN RECEIVES
Prospect pick 1.02
Ian Happ
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| | | 418 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 14:03
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Confirmed
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| | | 419 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 14:13
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LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT
I cannot tell you how impressed I am with the offseason activity. In the past, 75% of the time managers would not even talk trade until Spring Training. Again, while the massive makeover required by our new managers is undoubtedly a significant part of this, there are so many teams involved in talks and improving their teams it is mindblowing.
I have never had more fun in a fantasy offseason, that's for damned sure!
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On a separate note, thanks to blue hen's suggestion, our Constitution will soon be a live Google doc like our existing draft grids are. We will start a new post and imbed the constitution in that thread as the original post so it will always show up on top, and will be refreshed in real time as I make adjustments to it. So please forgive the cut-and-pastes from time to time until we get to that point. Guru is traveling so we are waiting for his return to help us imbed the document.
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| | | 420 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 19:18
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* Trade Announcement *
Species receives:
Michael Brantley
bmd receives:
Species' 2019 2.13 Prospect Pick
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| | | 421 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Feb 06, 2019, 19:25
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Confirm
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| | | 422 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Feb 07, 2019, 16:39
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Trade Announcement!
Greggo receives
Shane Bieber, SP, CLE
Chris Paddack, SP, SD
Supplemental 6.09
Thumper receives
Charlie Morton, SP, TB
Carlos Santana, CLE, 1B
Supplemental pick 2.01
Greggo to confirm.
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| | | 423 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Feb 07, 2019, 17:05
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Confirm
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| | | 424 | Species
ID: 5511361810
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 16:37
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Agreed, really loving all the activity this offseason. The crop of new managers is very impressive, and a few of them have managed to turn perpetual also rans into contenders.
Is anyone still looking to add keepers? Not asking for specific offers at this point, but many manager already made their big move for the offseason, so just trying to figure out who is still out there looking.
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| | | 426 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 16:39
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That was blue hen in the previous post. Still had Species in the name box from testing the google doc.
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| | | 427 | Fosten
ID: 221040413
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 17:38
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This further adds to my suspicion that 19 teams in this league are managed by blue hen under different usernames.
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| | | 428 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 17:47
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Haha Fosten!
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| | | 429 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 19:05
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That’s a ridiculous claim
Regards,
blue hen
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| | | 430 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 20:20
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Haha. I'm not Blue Hen. If you, Fosten, are not Blue Hen either, then the Max teams he could be are 18. Since, I know Meatwads personally, and know he is not Blue Hen, then we are down to 17. Since we saw a picture of Blue Hen here with three other managers, I think evidence suggests Blue Hen could only be 14 of us at the most. :-)
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| | | 431 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 20:20
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Haha. I'm not Blue Hen. If you, Fosten, are not Blue Hen either, then the Max teams he could be are 18. Since, I know Meatwads personally, and know he is not Blue Hen, then we are down to 17. Since we saw a picture of Blue Hen here with three other managers, I think evidence suggests Blue Hen could only be 14 of us at the most. :-)
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| | | 432 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 20:22
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Oops. I should not post here using my phone. Every time I do, it double posts or worse
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| | | 433 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 09:00
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Sixto Sanchez trade talks are heating up. If you want in, let me know now or he could be gone. Don't low-ball me because I like him, and feel good about keeping him. So, be at least as serious as the competition if you don't want to be shit down out of hand.
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| | | 434 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 09:02
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* shut down
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| | | 435 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 10:22
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Trade Announcement
Blue hen trades
Andrew McCutchen, OF, PHI
Thumper trades
Carlos Santana, 1B, CLE
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| | | 437 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 15:33
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Confirmed the Santana trade. Carlos Santana is on the block!
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| | | 438 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 16:43
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By the way, there are 18 other teams I run in this league. All of them except yours...
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| | | 439 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Feb 09, 2019, 18:10
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Haha
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| | | 440 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 00:55
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Re 424
I’m still in the market for an additional keeper. Looking to trade a pick for one, or do a 1 for 2 if it makes sense.
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| | | 441 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 17:01
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Looking for a possible final keeper? Maybe a closer? Like to gamble? Well ... I have an offer for you.
Mark Melancon (SF) and Yoshihisa Hirano (ARI) can be on your roster!
Both appear to be the #1 backup to the current closer for their respective teams. Rotowire categorizes both current closers as "Very Low Job Security".
Here's the fun part (gambling)...
1. Send me your 12 round pick. I'll send you your choice of players, and my 14th round.
2. Once the first guy is gone, send me your 11th round pick. I'll send you the other guy, and the best round 12 pick I own.
3. Or take both players. Send me your 11th. I'll send you my 14th.
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| | | 442 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 11:04
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Rule discussion/suggestion:
If a player hasn’t logged an at bat or ip above Single A he can’t be kept as a regular keeper?
Call it the Wander Franco rule. ESPN has no rhyme or reason for adding guys in their player pool. They added him back in June of 2018 but why him and not other prospects that were closer? The year before they didn’t add some highly rated prospects(Tatis Jr for example) so it just seems they randomly pick guys. Franco had a zero percent chance of being called up last year and a less than 1% chance of call up this year. The only reason to roster him last year was for keeping him this year(or trading him to another team to keep) and the following year.
I feel limiting keepers to just AA or above will allow a better prospect draft. We will have 5 prospects with the potential to have more by trades starting next year. It’ll probably take care of itself anyway since I’m sure Franco would’ve been drafted as a prospect in 2018 if we would’ve had two additional rounds. However, I feel like this closes a loophole and would only apply to anyone that isn’t kept this year.
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| | | 443 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 11:57
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I'd be open to not being allowed to take any players as FA if they have no MLB experience, especially now that there's 100 player prospect pool.
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| | | 444 | Khahan
ID: 80441414
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 12:26
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I thought we currently had a rule (or used to) that a player had to at least go thru a prospect draft to be eligible?
But could you expand Beastie on your proposal? It sounds like you are suggesting a guy A-ball, California, Carolina or Florida state league wouldn't be eligible.
What about international free agents?
Or are you talking name keepers instead of prospects?
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| | | 445 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 13:16
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I think it’s easy to police - if they’re not on the real life 40 man, they are ineligible to be kept...
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| | | 446 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 14:17
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Good topic bmd.
First - Khahan 444 -- he ONLY means our "Major League" keepers / aka 9 keepers via ESPN. But you are right, for our 9 keepers all players must have gone through our prospect draft at least once. In Franco's case, he was signed in the international signing period well before our 2018 Prospect Draft.
Particularly in the context of our expansion to 100 prospects, I agree with the sentiment in bmd's post. There ought to be a line somewhere. I'm not sure I want to make it so NO minor leaguer without major league AB is ineligible to be kept (Nerf 443), but that is what we should debate.
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| | | 447 | mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 15:42
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Well, I've held Eloy on my roster for 2 years and counting. While that may be considered a loophole, there is a downside to underutilizing a keeper and roster slot.
Of course, if in the early part of a rebuild, it may be worth it.
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| | | 448 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 18:58
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447: Not that you took it this way, but I do not at all interpret bmd's post as a slight on anyone who has done it, and it certainly was not a loophole. You are right, you paid the cost in keepers and roster spots and now you will finally reap the reward for a potential top 10 outfielder / top 30 player.
....and that is the rub and what we have to decide as a league. If you pay the price - and it is a material one - why not allow teams to do it?? I believe I held Prince Fielder for 2 years back in the day....
Wander Franco was, no doubt, a completely inappropriate add in ESPN while I was counting down the days for Kirilloff to be added. bmd is right that ESPN seemingly has little rhyme or reason for what minor leaguers they add or do not add.
I lean towards some sort of limit in light of 100 prospects coming down the road.
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| | | 449 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Wed, Feb 13, 2019, 20:14
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MLB expanded roster - Also called the "40-man roster", the expanded roster is composed of all the players in a Major League club's organization who are signed to a major-league contract.
They can be called up or sent down at any time...I think that should be the threshold for keepers. I have no problems with guys on the 40 man, but who are not on the active mlb roster, being kept.
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| | | 450 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 11:06
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To summarize for any teams just coming in, bmd in post 442 has proposed the concept of some sort of limit in terms of keeping a minor leaguer in your 9 'major league' keepers. It is one thing to roster a AAA player, but bmd is right that rostering Wander Franco - 17 years old in Single-A baseball - borders on silly (and again, that is not a criticism on anyone, it is just one obvious example).
So far we have two ways to possibly tweak that:
1) Can only keep players with games played in Double-A ball or higher
2) Can only keep players who are on their respective teams' 40-man roster
Seeking more input on whether:
1) you think this idea makes sense for our league
2) what limit or measurement would we use to limit what minor league players you are allowed to keep. This could be one of the ideas to date or a new method of your own.
Your comments and suggestions appreciated.
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| | | 451 | blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 11:17
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While I can see where this discussion is coming from, and I don't particular like when minors guys get kept (although credit MJD for making it work), I do have some hesitation here. I don't want to eliminate a path to rebuilding. We allow managers in this league to be creative, and this is one of the more interesting manifestations of that.
Is there too much tanking in this league? I don't think so, but if you do feel that way, would BMD's solution solve it? If not, what is the problem that needs to be addressed? Is it that we've placed TOO much emphasis on prospects? Is it that we don't have enough keeper slots? This is OUR league, and it can go whatever way we want it to - I just hope that all of our rule change proposals have specific goals to push things in that direction.
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| | | 452 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 11:52
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I think the questions Blue Hen raises are god questions for us to consider before we make a rule change. The problem seems to be espn's erratic, seemingly non-logical process of adding some (Franco) and not other (Kiriloff) prospects.
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| | | 453 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 11:57
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re:
So far we have two ways to possibly tweak that:
1) Can only keep players with games played in Double-A ball or higher
2) Can only keep players who are on their respective teams' 40-man roster
When you say "keep" are you specifying as one of your nine non-prospect keepers? Just want to be sure that these two items are not meant as restrictions for Prospect keepers.
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| | | 454 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 13:01
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I've been guilty of keeping prospects on my active roster as well. I had no less than 3 of them kept a couple years ago. The thing that rubs me the wrong way is teams in contention taking undrafted prospects off of FA in hopes of trading them to a rebuilding team in the offseason. This is, in fact, how I got Snell, Arcia and Brinson, but I'd rather that kind of activity be limited. Everyone should have a fair shake at prospects during the prospect draft, instead of a few teams waiting for their guy in the mid-season top 100 list to pop up on ESPN in July.
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| | | 455 | Khahan
ID: 80441414
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 13:19
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I'm actually questioning myself if this is an issue that needs a rule to resolve it. For one, has it reared its ugly head in the past enough that its caused problems?
For another, doesn't the expansion of prospect actually dampen the effect? We are drafting and keeping more prospects as prospects. That means even less players are available in the FA pool to scoop up and hold hostage. The likelihood of a top prospect not being protected on a prospect list goes down, not up.
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| | | 456 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 14:46
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but bmd is right that rostering Wander Franco - 17 years old in Single-A baseball - borders on silly
but is it?
would you have called it silly if you drafted and held this 16 year old kid with no MLB experience?
The Chosen One
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| | | 457 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 17:33
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453: 446 and 448 pretty clearly explain that this topic is only about 'major league' keepers.....aka our 9 keepers on our roster. Our prospect rules are completely unaffected by this possible change.
Note: As with most rule changes, if this were to become a rule it would go into effect for the 2020 keeper deadline.
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| | | 458 | Lyman
ID: 48842210
Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 19:34
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I see that now. My bad. I think my head was swirling about all the Wander Franco talk. Don't be talking about my Wander! Or my Winker!
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| | | 459 | Slizz
ID: 29614321
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 10:01
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While we are on the subject of rule changes, I would like to see if there is any interest in getting rid of the catcher position in favor of a 4th OF slot?
With “pitch framing” being the requisite skill front offices are looking at in terms of signing catchers, the need for offense is mitigated (see Jeff Mathis who is a top 5 framer yet as bad as hitting pitcher). As we have all seen, the position has become nearly irrelevant where teams like BH and myself have streamed it the past couple years.
Normally, I would say an extra utility but I don’t want to open that box (think the haves will really benefit from that more than the have nots) 4th OF can still be found and utilized effectively in G20 and those who have catchers can deploy at the utility slot.
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| | | 460 | GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 10:30
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I say keep or stash whoever the heck you want. Its your team, your bench. Your strategy for rebuilding how you think is best.
The way ESPN randomly putting them in the system seems like the bigger issue to me.
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| | | 461 | ttucowboy
ID: 0139159
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 10:42
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460: Agree 100% --- With the talent we have in this league, I'm really not concerned with anyone not doing what they feel is in the best interest of their team...whether that's short term or long term. We don't have any donkeys in this league so let people run their team how they want to run it.
I do think it's a major issue that ESPN just randomly adds players. I don't know why, but I was under the assumption any player with no major league experience would have to go through 1 prospect draft before being eligible to be a part of a team's Keeper 9 (whether that's drafted as a prospect and eventually kept as part of your Keeper 9 or picked up as a FA after having gone through a prospect draft and not being drafted as a prospect). I thought we already had a rule in place for that, but apparently not.
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| | | 463 | ttucowboy
ID: 0139159
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 11:07
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Forgot to add - I'm against removing the Catcher position. Opposed mainly for two reasons.
1 - By removing the Catcher, it would also remove an element of strategy. I like that some people can choose to pinwheel through the wire while others can ride a more stable player at the position. It's a choice each manager has to make and one that plays a part in ultimately determining who wins each year.
2 - By removing the Catcher, what would be next? Remove Starting Pitchers because they don't pitch as deep as they used to? Require Middle Relievers because they pitch more now than they used to? Remove Closers because they are too volatile? Remove 2nd Base because it's largely becoming a top heavy position? I think removing catcher would send us down a slippery slope.
The original purpose / mission statement of these 20 team fantasy leagues was to emulate the real deal as much as possible. I'm all for adapting as the game changes, but still want to make sure we don't lose sight of the league's original purpose / mission statement. I'm ready for some baseball!
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| | | 464 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 11:49
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I'm not in favor of removing catcher, although it is much, much harder to find quality at that position. For the last two years I used the Braves tandem, affectionately known as 'Flozuki' and it worked pretty well, but it also requires having two players for one spot, and keeping up with who's in the lineup every day.
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| | | 465 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 13:07
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461: I was under the assumption any player with no major league experience would have to go through 1 prospect draft before being eligible to be a part of a team's Keeper 9 (whether that's drafted as a prospect and eventually kept as part of your Keeper 9 or picked up as a FA after having gone through a prospect draft and not being drafted as a prospect). I thought we already had a rule in place for that, but apparently not.
It IS a rule. In order to be eligible to be kept in your 9 major league keepers, that player must have been eligible to have been drafted in at least one prospect draft.
The players this usually applies to are the occasional top college players in the June amateur draft that make the majors in the year they are drafted (or are added to the ESPN database for some reason). While those players are eligible to be plucked from the WW and legally used in your lineup, they cannot be kept in your 9 and must go through the prospect draft.
Wander Franco, as an example, was signed during the 2017 international free agency (aka "J2") that usually starts July 2nd of each year. Thus, he was eligible to be drafted in our March 2018 prospect draft (and nearly was!).....so he is further eligible to be kept in (currently) Lyman's 9 keepers if he wishes.
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| | | 466 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 13:09
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Speaking as 1 team owner, I am also against removing the catcher position. I echo Pete's sentiments in 463.
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| | | 467 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 16:30
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I see both sides of the prospect MLB keeper argument, but generally think teams should be able to rebuild how best they see fit. Maybe a solid middle ground (if one is needed) is that teams can keep minor leaguers on the MLB keeper spots within the existing rule, but can only keep a max of 3 on the MLB side? Not sure if that would help or just add complexity.
I could see myself getting on board with swapping the Catcher spot for something else (OF or UTIL). Maybe I’m not doing it right but I view the catcher as more of a hassle than a strategy.
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| | | 468 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 19:42
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maybe instead of eliminating the catcher, how about not counting it towards games played and it remove it from the games played equation altogether.
That way we all have the traditional catcher slot that many of us feel we shouldn't go without, but it mitigates the effects of catchers off days and limited playing time.
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| | | 470 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 14:57
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Team Species Trade Feelers:
While I feel my 9 keepers are fairly set, I am interested in a couple of things as the drafts and regular season approaches:
1) Supplemental Draft Pick Upgrade:
I have:
- My 1st
- Two seconds
- FOUR thirds
- A fourth
- A fifth
I would like to leverage multiple picks into another 1st rounder. Two threes for a 1 and 10? A 2 and 3 for a 1 and 6? Something along those lines where you take a step back a round or two, but in return gain a 6 or 7 round advantage or more in return.
Another option for those not contending in 2019 would be your 2019 1st for my 2020 1st. Better for those teams with an eye on the future instead of 2019....
2) Post-keeper trade - SP or Closer
The concept here is that you have kept someone in your 9 keepers that is a very viable veteran player with either very stable production or high 2019 upside.........but whether it is age or injury risk (or both!), their long term keeper viability is just limited.
A couple of examples of this include guys like:
- Nelson Cruz (but Meatwads is contending)
- Charlie Morton
....both will produce well enough to be a keeper but really (IMO) do not hold material long term value.
Closers are also good candidates for the type of trade I am seeking. Depending upon the stability of their situation, it could be in a rebuilding team's best interests to get a return on that keeper spot investment in case anything changes in their hold on the closer role.
Assets that I have available for trades of this type include:
- 2019 1.13 prospect pick
- 2020 prospect pick
- 2019 supplemental pick upgrades
- 2020 supplemental pick
If you would rather load up for the future, hedge your bets, etc, hit me up!
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| | | 471 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 18:20
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Looking for an ace and willing to pay for it. I have a variety of things to trade and would ideally package a combination of the below for your pitcher.
A) a pitcher I own now (Morton, J James, Heaney, musgrove, etc)
B) multiple high supplemental picks (7 picks in the first 3 rounds, 1.03 and 1.04 could both be had)
C) prospect pick(s)
I move quickly, don’t hesitate to reach out!
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| | | 472 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Feb 20, 2019, 18:55
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Garrett Hampson (2B/SS) is also on the table. RotoWire’s 24th best fantasy prospect. Hasn’t had a year below .380 OBP and 38 SB. I expect he’ll get the opening day 2B job and gets to call Colorado home!
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| | | 473 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 17:47
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Dovetailing off of my post #470 about post-keeper trades, for the benefit of our new / newer managers, I want to clarify a big NO NO in this regard.
While not specifically outlined within the rules, it has always been our policy to disallow any trades that circumvent or straddle any keeper deadline. Let me explain........
Example 1) I trade you Reggie Jackson today for a 3rd round pick. Then you trade me Reggie Jackson back to me, post-keepers, for a 1st round pick
Something of this general nature has come up in the past. While there is a fair exchange of value on both sides of the deadline (and a 'profit' turned by one team for holding the player as a keeper), the league is very much against pre-arranged deals that cross-over both sides of a deadline.
Example 2) I trade you Jacob DeGrom, Jose Abreu, Nick Senzel and a 3rd for Mike Trout and a 7th. But the team receiving Nick Senzel wants the other team to "hold" Senzel through the prospect keeper deadline. So they break up the trade into two 'separate' trades on each side of the deadline.
i.e.: Degrom, Abreu and a 3rd for Trout pre-keepers
Senzel for a 7th post-keepers
The point is that it is one trade as a whole, and by breaking it into 2 trades you are circumventing keeper deadlines - this is frowned upon by the league.
-- Pre-arranged trades after a particular deadline are fine. --
Example 3:
I agree now to trade my 2020 1st round supplemental pick for Charlie Morton post-keepers.
Like in my post #470, soliciting a trade that will be executed (in its entirety) after a deadline is fine. Negotiating that trade in advance is simply more efficient than only doing so after the deadline. Teams looking to acquire these assets pay a fair price for them, while also providing clarity going into the Supplemental Draft. It also gives teams with marginal keepers some clarity as to the value of that keeper spot:
1) is it better to trade Charlie Morton for Species' xxxx pick(s), or
2) do I hold onto Shane Bieber (or insert possible breakout here) and hope he breaks out
-- Arranging a post-keepers trade involving a third party is a little trickier --
Example 4):
A) I tell Tosh that if he can acquire Felipe Vazquez that I would trade him my 1.13 prospect pick post-keeper deadline.
B) Tosh then has to go acquire Vazquez at some price and acquires him for his 2.16 prospect pick
This is where it gets stickier. What has been clearly communicated in the past in this league is that teams are not in favor of "side deals", "player to be named later" deals or deals that circumvent keeper deadlines. But in this example, each trade has an independent value. A closer pre-keepers simply has a lower value than a closer post-keepers due to keeper slot scarcity. All contenders want multiple closers going into the season, and many would pay for that security.......but it also rarely makes sense (without a Kenley / E. Diaz stud combo) to hold 2 or more closers for a contender.
I hold managers in this league to a high moral standard. This league will not tolerate shady skirting of the rules. The majority of us have played together for a long time, and while we have many new managers join us over the past 3 years, this league has always had a culture of trust and integrity.
With that in mind, I am curious what managers think of these examples. This isn't a vote - but I want to hear opinions and make sure there is no confusion on what types of trades are allowed.
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| | | 474 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Thu, Feb 21, 2019, 20:17
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So, re post 473 above, are examples 1 and 2 "frowned upon" and 3 and 4 are not? I don't see anything wrong with 3 and 4, but I am not sure that i am completely clear on this. I think 1 is wrong, and I am a little unclear on 2. And, for clarity's sake, why not just make a rule that spells out what can and cannot be done? That way, you wouldn't have to try to make it clear every time a new manager came into the league.
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| | | 475 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 16:41
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Trade Announcements!
Trade 1
Tree receives
S 1.03
S 1.04
Bo Bichette, SS, TOR (prospect)
Thumper receives
S 5.07
S 12.07
Jameson Taillon, SP, PIT
Trade2
Greggo receives
Garrett Hampson, SS/2B, COL
Thumper’s 2020 14th round supplemental pick
Thumper receives
Greggo’s 2020 1st round supplemental pick
Both squads to confirm. I’m in the market to acquire a prospect for any squad who can’t squeeze them onto their roster their thus deadline. Let me know!
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| | | 476 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 16:59
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Con
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| | | 477 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 17:00
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Con
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| | | 478 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 17:01
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Confirm
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| | | 479 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 17:38
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Didn't mean to stutter.
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| | | 480 | Tree
ID: 217372011
Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 23:52
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Confirmed. Hard to see Doorknob Tailon leave again, but also hard to say no to Bo, because Bo Knows.
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| | | 482 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 14:01
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Just saving our Prospect Draft pick trades for 2019 here (out of the way of our Preseason thread) for posterity, as I am deleting it from the Google doc Constitution:
The following managers have had their 2019 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
8-17-17 Thumper receives Fosten's 1st and 2nd round picks (Meadows)
5-20-18 Khahan receives ttucowboy's 1st and 2nd round picks (Dozier)
5-25-18 blue hen receives Khahan's best 2nd round pick (Semien)
7-03-18 Thumper receives Guru's 1st (Mikolas, Cueto)
7-27-18 Khahan receives Fosten's 2nd (via Thumper) (Strasburg)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 2nd (Keuchel)
8-25-18 Khahan receives his best 2nd back (via 5-25 trade w/blue hen - McCutcheon)
11-7-18 Fosten receives his own 2nd back via Khahan (S-pick)
11-18-18 Fosten receives Lyman's 2.03 (Dahl, Chavis)
11-30-18 Thumper receives Greggo's 1.01 for his 1.10 and 1.20 (Shaw, S-pick)
12-3-18 Meatwads receives Greggo's 1.10 (via Thumper) (Hicks, Morton, S-picks)
12-8-18 Thumper receives Khahan's 1.14 (Kingery)
1-03-19 Lyman receives Thumper's 1.01 for his 1.04 (Osuna / Miller)
1-18-19 Meatwads receives Thumper’s 1.05 and 1.14 (Judge/Gallo/et al)
1-31-19 slizz receives 1.05 and 1.10 via Meatwads (Kershaw / Marquez)
2-01-19 Fosten receives 2.06 via darkside (Inglesias/Odor)
2-01-19 Thumper receives 2.17 via blue hen (Price / James)
2-05-19 Tosh receives 1.14 via Meatwads (Sale / Strasburg / Diaz)
2-06-19 Lyman receives 1.02 via mjd (Whitley/Rosario/Happ)
2-06-19 bmd receives Species’ 2.13 (Brantley)
3-10-19 Greggo receives blue hen’s 1.17 and 3.17 (Price, 2020 p-pick)
3-10-19 Greggo receives Meatwads’ 1.18 (Morton)
3-10-19 Greggo receives darkside’s 1.06 for his 3.17 (S. Sanchez)
3-11-19 Thumper receives slizz’ 1.10 for his 2.03 (2020 p-pick)
3-12-19 Greggo receives Species’ 1.13 (Bradley)
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