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Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2019 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species - SuperDude [07724916] Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 11:08

After 480 posts in our first-ever offseason thread, it is time to transition to an actual 2019 preseason thread, with a new Constitution google doc, our draft grids and more new chatter leading up to the 2019 deadlines and drafts.

- Keepers due Sunday March 10th, Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Monday March 11th, Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Tuesday March 12th, Noon ET
- Supplemental draft opens Friday March 15th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Saturday March 16th

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 10:45

Continuing the offseason thread I suppose we’ll keep up with the...

Trade Announcement!
GO receives
Josh James, SP, HOU

Thumper receives
Triston McKenzie, SP, CLE (prospect)

GO
ID: 14143919
Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 10:50

Do the deal! Confirmed.

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 14:39

Munson Mobsters March Sales Flyer
Many of you have been asking who my 9 are. So, without further ado, here’s the list!

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- Justin Upton
- Gregory Polanco
- Cody Allen
Customers of the 25% off Clearance Sale receive an additional 25% off:
- Dylan Bundy
- Jeimer Candelario
- Corey Knebel
10% off Black Friday Doorbuster Sale (March 8th - 10th) (Pre-order now!):
- Jose Berrios
- Mallex Smith
- Rougned Odor

Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Feb 25, 2019, 20:01

i was just getting a good kick out of how many draft picks have been traded in this league.

the grid above is hysterical, especially the last round.

GO
ID: 14143919
Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 13:23

I am looking to package the below for one top SP under 30.

Brendan Rodgers (prospect)
Carlos Martinez
Dallas Keuchel

And if truly elite i can add Devers... now that Arenado signed long term in Colorado.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 23:53

Re #5 above, that still doesn't tell us who your 9 are. It does imply who your top 12 might be. 😏

Khahan
ID: 80441414
Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 11:36

Are we going to have an official keeper and prospect thread or can we post them here?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 13:44

I have the following players who I currently do not plan to keep. I do not expect that any of them will command much trade value (if any), but will throw them out there for consideration. In return, I would only be looking for picks or pick upgrades (prospect or supplemental).

Hitters:
Kyle Seager, 3B, Sea
Jake Bauers, 1B,OF, Cle

Pitchers:
Mychal Givens, Bal
Shane Greene, Det
AJ Minter, Atl
Aroldys Vizcaino, Atl (I may keep him, but figured I'd throw him in the mix)

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 19:04

You will notice some blank spots appearing in the Prospect Draft Grid. That is purposeful. As teams declare their keepers I am removing picks that would be taken up by prospect keepers for now. But until keepers are final I don't want to lose the draft order. I will fill in the blank spots once keepers are finalized.

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 11:24

For the regular season thread - could you just paste the text rather than link into the doc? Once it gets to 50 messages it’s going to be a ton of scrolling to the bottom...

Tree
ID: 77532019
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 12:00

last minute push for some players on the roster bubble...

Kevin Gausman
Marcus Stroman
Tyler O'Neill
Chris Taylor
Daniel Palka
Salvador Perez
Tyler Skaggs

looking for mild draft pick upgrades or 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 thoughts...

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 13:46

I just modified the opening post to make the Constitution and Draft grids subject to toggling display/hide buttons. All three are set to "hide" by default, so you now need to click the related button to see the display. Hopefully this works for all browsers. Let me know if that's not the case.

Thanks to blue hen for the idea. It took awhile for me to figure out how to do it, but I think it's a good idea - as long as it works!

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 14:06

Thanks guru! Props to bh too!! Much easier to read...total game changer...

Works for safari and chrome via iPhone.

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 16:08

I'd also like to move up in round 1, from pick 17. If you're somewhere between 6 and 12, that move up can be part of a deal for David Price or Carlos Santana (or Yordan Alvarez).

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 16:54

It sounds like some of you don't realize that if you click on the thread link in the "last post" column, you don't need to scroll down, as you're automatically advanced to that last post.

It's only if you use the link in the "Subject" column that your display starts with the top post (and therefore, you have to scroll to reach the bottom.)

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 18:43

Not sure if I was the only one who said something, but when you clicked on “last post”, it would take you to the middle of the constitution...which then forced you to scroll to the bottom likely due to the link to google docs. The feature you added is awesome as it takes you immediately to the last post and cleans up the heading! Bravo!

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 01, 2019, 23:30

No, you weren't the only one. I assumed that the last post link was working properly with the embedded Constitution, but apparently not. In any event, the problem is solved.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Mar 02, 2019, 08:53

The hide feature combined with the google docs is awesome. Thanks Guru and good idea bh

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Mar 02, 2019, 08:53

The hide feature combined with the google docs is awesome. Thanks Guru and good idea bh

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 20:27

Trade Announcement

Blue Hen receives:
- Isiah Kiner-Falafe
- Alex Verdugo (p)
- Pick 5.01
- Greggo 2020 1st p pick

Greggo receives:
- David Price
- Seranthony Dominguez
- Yordan Alvarez (p)
- Pick 14.06

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 21:05

Confirm

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 21:18

Wowzas, I see bh is taking no mercy on the new guy. Hope it works out for Greggo and trust he's doing what he feels is best for his team, but holy smokes.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 21:37

For the record, Pete considers Yordan not a top 50 prospect despite rotowire 15, dynastyguru 19, CBS 26, and MLB.com 44. And his value is even higher in our league with a ton of walks. And Verdugo is hardly a lock to have more at bats than Alvarez in 2019, even though he’s a year older. For me, the key wasn’t Verdugo, it was the 2020 pick. So if anyone else is super high on Verdugo, let’s talk.

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 21:41

Alvarez is also not even in Keith Law's Top 100. He's ranked as the #8 prospect...for the Houston Astros. Meanwhile, Verdugo is ranked #37 overall. Nice try though Dave, good effort.

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 21:54

Here's how the trade boils down for me. Bh trades an aging SP who has maybe 1 to 2 good years left, a marginal prospect, his 14th round pick for a better prospect (imo), a 1st round prospect pick and a 5. Even throwing out the prospects and calling that a wash, it's a 1st round prospect pick plus upgrading a 14 to a 5 for a guy who he wasn't going to keep (and who is a marginal keeper). I'm also assuming Kiner and Seranthony are just throwins because neither are keepers.

Even bh's spin cycle can't argue it was a great deal for him...and I'm not even mad or protesting. I'm just continually amazed...and like I said before, hope it works out for Greggo. Yordan could easily turn out great.

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 23:06

Alvarez has much more upside. From a real life prospect view he’s not good because he only has a hit tool, however that doesn’t mean much in this league besides he’ll get less of a leash when he does come up.

I’d be surprised if Verdugo is kept next year. He will probably hit and steal a few bases but the upside isn’t really there. He’s also on a team that won’t give him more than 400 at bats this year.

I like bh’s side since he gets the extra prospect pick this year plus a first next year(the keystone of the deal). Price is a keeper just not someone that you can get excited about. Still I think Alvarez is a decent lottery ticket. Could be a 30+ homeruns guy.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 23:36

For the record, bh got a 2020 p pick. He did not get an extra one in 2019. He got a 5th supp pick. Also, for the record, Price is for Sale. Others who can be had include Seranthony, inciarte, Escobar, Porcello, Hamels, Peacock, and possibly Santana or Hernandez. If you would like a trade where you get multiples and I get one and/or picks, I am open for business. I am actually probably, more or less open to listen yo most trades.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 23:47

(BMD meant the third rounder I get back for not keeping Yordan)

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 03, 2019, 23:55

So, after that trade, keepers for me as of now:
Price. SP (unless traded);
Bieber SP;
Stripling.SP
Paddack. SP
Hernandez 2B (unless traded)
Hampson. 2B, SS, OF;
Shaw. 2B, 3B;
Hicks. OF;
And, one more from the tradepool list in my last post. Ttu and I will have to disagree on Alvarez's worth. I know he's no gold glove OF, but I expect him to move to 1B. Given how weak 1B is now in fantasy, I would welcome his skillset at that position in the next few years.

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 09:57

I’m with Pete. Prospect swap pretty much cancels the players out.

With no market for Price’s service he somehow got what projects to be the 2020 #1 overall p pick and a 5th rd pick (which he probably could’ve got price for closer to the deadline). No good way to spin this for Romans unless Price wins the Cy Young.

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 09:58

Not a bad haul for Price, a guy he had no intentions of keeping. That’s on Romans for not doing his homework.

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 11:13

Prospects cancel each other out? Will you give Taylor Trammell for Verdugo? Or can we agree that different prospects have different values? I expected a better argument from you.

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 11:38

Sensitive eh?

I think it speaks for itself...

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 13:37

Dave, you reeled off several prospect rankings yet conveniently forgot to include the rankings of one of the most prominent names in terms of MLB Prospect Rankings. I understand you didn't include Law's rankings because it didn't fit your narrative, but fact is Verdugo is ranked #37 overall and Yordan is not even in the Top 100 of Law's rankings.

The large discrepancies in rankings for the two prospects suggests what I've said all along. In terms of trade chips/assets, Verdugo and Yordan are a wash. Nobody is saying all prospects are a wash. The original point was that Verdugo/Yordan are a wash. You can't tell me with a straight face Yordan is a tier 1 prospect like a Vlad Jr. If he was or if you thought he was, there is a 0.0000000% chance you make that deal.

Something like Price/Yordan/14 for Verdugo/5 would've been more reasonable. It still wouldn't have made a ton of sense to me given that Greggo is rebuilding, but the deal on face value at least would've been fairly even. Adding the 2020 1st round prospect pick really tipped the scale into a massive overpay. Fact is it's a massive massive haul for a guy who Dave wasn't keeping.

I'll also say it again one more time just so we're clear. I'm not mad or protesting. My original post was more of an observation. It's kind of spiraled from there because I'm not going to just sit on the sidelines while Dave works his spin cycle along with stating things that factually aren't true (i.e. nobody said all prospects are a wash).

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 13:47

Trade Announcement
mjd receives
Rougned Odor
1.9
Fosten receives
1.2
2020 5th round p-pick

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 13:50

confirmed

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 14:04

I'm still in the market for one more keeper. Preferably an OF or 3B.

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 14:26

Come on Pete. You don't think 5 different sites might be more correct than the guy who had Kyle Schwarber at 86? Just saying, it's certainly reasonable for someone to have Alvarez way ahead of Verdugo, as I did and Greggo did. And this certainly wasn't "spin cycle" - Greggo brought up Alvarez when I was selling him on Price. He did his own research and we came to the same conclusion.

But as Verdugo's owner, I'm hoping you're right.

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 15:06

Anyway, I'm fine dropping this. Greggo and I put a lot of thought and discussion into it, and we're ready for the season to start.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 15:38

Wow. You guys really get worked up. Who's sensitive here? First, slizz: I knew he wasn't keeping Price. That was clear. And so what? I plan to flip Price after the season starts to a contender in need of a still top-30 pitcher. In fact, I did enough homework to run trade scenarios past a few managers with an interest in Price before I did the deal. So, maybe it makes more sense later when all the dust settles. Second, to ttu: If Keith Law is your go-to Bible on prospects, that's fine, but it doesn't really matter here because it is only one source of many and it isn't about what you or Law think. It's about what I think. Third: to all of you, if you really believe I am a dumbass as seems to be the implication, doesn't it make more sense to get in touch with me to see if you can take advantage of the rube instead of hammering bh? I'm not afraid to "lose" a trade in the court of public opinion if I get someone I like because, as they say: "Opinions are like a$$holes. Everyone has one." I have been playing this game in keeper leagues since the late 80's (yeah, I am that old). I remember people telling me I was crazy to have faith in such a terrible control pitcher when I traded to get Randy Johnson in my minors as a AA picher in the Expos organization. And I have seen lots of deals where league members thought one party "lost" the trade and howled in protest at the time of the deal. That same kind of group thinking has worked for me many times over the years like when it allowed me to get both Jose Bautista AND Edwin Encarnacion for peanuts just before they shifted from 10-15 homer guys to 40-50 homer guys. In those cases, I went from being an idiot to a guy whose phone rung off the hook with trade offers for the guys I had been an idiot to get. I have seen it play out where the "loser" ended up getting a superstar a la Johnson over time. Funny how the howlers rarely came back and said they were wrong when that happened. Of course I have been dead wrong many times on deals that looked like I won too. Because of those humbling moments, I don't recall ever jumping on this board to tell or suggest to anyone that I know what's best for their team. But, feel free to keep the brilliant expert opinions flowing. I am willing to learn what there is to learn when people want to talk.

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 18:07

Gregg, from my original post regarding this topic:

Hope it works out for Greggo and trust he's doing what he feels is best for his team

I've never questioned that you aren't doing what you feel is best for your team.

If Keith Law is your go-to Bible on prospects, that's fine, but it doesn't really matter here because it is only one source of many and it isn't about what you or Law think.

I never said Law was my go-to Bible. I was simply pointing out that Dave left Law's rankings off of his post because it didn't fit the narrative. Many of the rankings Dave cited also have Verdugo highly ranked. I agree its ultimately about what you think is best. Nobody is questioning that. It's the price that you paid that's a head scratcher. As I've said before, hope it works out. Best of luck!

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 18:31

Thanks. I like Verdugo too, quite a lot in fact. I just wanted more power upside (I like the Frank Thomas size with power and obp), and an organization that seems to bring their prospects up or trade them to where they can play like the Astros. The Dodgers just horde and platoon so much, it drives me nuts when I have one of their players. Almost no one gets 550 ABs and the pitchers rarely get 150 innings. Let me know after the season if you need a lefty starter who routinely gets 180-200 innings, 3.50ish ERA, 1.15ish WHIP, and 180-200 Ks. 😎 A few other teams do.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 21:04

Meant to say: Let me know after the season starts.... in the last entry. He's available now for that matter.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 22:13

I’m looking for an extra late p pick. Can offer s picks, Franmil, Elvis Andrus, or Trevor May, or as part of a Carlos Santana deal.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 04, 2019, 23:40

Anyone have a prospect eligible as a major league promo/10th keeper you don't want?

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 18:04

Trade Announcement

mjd receives
Ender Inciarte and 10.01

Greggo receives
6.02 and a throw back so ESPN will process the trade.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 18:12

Confirm

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 18:12

Confirm

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 18:42

Trades added to the constitution. Draft grids updated.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 18:50

I don't want to, but I am considering putting my 2019 Prospect Pick 1.13 on the block and am focused on a post-keeper trade. The sad thing is I already have my heart set on some of the guys that will be available, so I do this with a heavy heart.

Texting somebody now to float a possibility. If you want in, drop me a line.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 20:33

Similar to what Species said, I’m putting 1.17 and 3.17 and Alex Verdugo on the block for post-keeper trades.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 21:19

David Price doesn't like his toga apparently.; and, since I can't afford to have him be a clubhouse cancer, he is available. Species, Blue Hen, all other contenders, feel free to inquire.

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 21:27

Khahan sends tyler white and pick 8.10 to Greggo Romans

Greggo Romans sends pick 6.18 to Khahan

Odubel is just there to keep the team size even and make the site happy and why not send another Phillies player my way?

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 23:04

Harrison Bader available for a late round prospect pick. 20/20 potential and will be getting 500+ at bats.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 05, 2019, 23:05

Confirm.
The Greg(g)'s get another deal done. No 3-way, but so what?

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Wed, Mar 06, 2019, 03:52

Two things:
(1) For anyone interested, I have posted my updated keepers on the thread.
(2) Offers are coming in for David Price. I am open to everything from pre-keeper trades to post-keeper trades to post- draft trades. If you are interested, let me know.

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Thu, Mar 07, 2019, 10:50

Putting Anthony Rendon on the block...not in a rush to trade him.

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Mar 08, 2019, 11:59

Trade Announcement:

Species gets:
Wade Davis
2019 pick 9.15

Bmd gets:
2019 pick 4.18.

Species
ID: 351051122
Fri, Mar 08, 2019, 12:35

Confirmed.

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 08, 2019, 13:03

I’m also looking to move up in round 1 of the s draft, can include a later pick.

And looking for 2019 p3 or 2020 p5 any way I can get them.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 08, 2019, 14:02

Trade Announcement

Greggo receives
Charlie Morton, SP, TB
S 10.05
2020 s Round 13

Thumper receives
S 7.12
2020 s round 2

I’ve accidentally given away my 2020 supplemental round 14 twice. Can we please make the more recent trade trade my 12th rounder instead of the 14th?

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Mar 08, 2019, 15:08

Confirm

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Fri, Mar 08, 2019, 21:50

At we approach the deadline, I'd consider packaging Schwarber with another keeper for an appropriate upgrade. Keepers are Altuve, Votto, Peraza, Donaldson, Verlander, Cole, Leclerc, JDMart, and then Schwarber/Santana.

If you have a superstar and a suspect last keeper, here's a quick way to improve.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 03:10

Updated keeper list is posted. Anyone that you like among my cuts can be had for a supp pick upgrade.

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 07:34

Munson Mobsters Black Friday Sales end today at 3pm EST. These fantastic 25% and 10% off prices won't last long! If you don't want to wait in line for our next sales event, now is the time to finalize your purchases. Doors will re-open at 4pm EST for a special 5% off sale that runs through noon on Sunday. Stay tuned for more details!

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 15:30

Munson Mobsters Wacky Waiving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 5% off 20-Hour g20 Deadline Sale

Tickets go on sale at 4pm today for the 4th Annual g20 Monster Truck Rally at the Rotoguru fairgrounds. The legendary Gravedigger will be in attendance Sunday! Sunday!! Sunday!!! Autograph and photo sessions will be held at the convention center. Pay for the whole seat, but you’ll only need the edge!

- Goldschmidt, Candelario
- Berrios, Bundy
- Upton, Mallex, Polanco
- Allen, Knebel
- 1.1, 1.2

Special offers available for a limited time!
- Package Deals: Buy all 9 players in 1 trade. Blind auction. Must meet the minimum reserve price. Bid via email. No negotiations.
- Parts Deals: Buy any 1 item or multiple items pre-keeper and receive a 5% discount on post-keeper and in-season trades. Negotiations required.

Winners will be announced at 11 am on March 10th.

Munson Mobsters Customer Appreciation Sale Coming Soon!
The Mobsters organization had a large stockpile of inventory to move this winter. We are happy with every trade that has gone down so far and so very thankful of each customer who has participated. And now we’re passing the savings onto you!

From March 10-March 15, we will be offering an additional 17.5% discount on 1.1 and 1.2 for any owner who completed a trade with the Mobsters after the World Series ended on November 1, 2018. Must bring receipt of purchase. We do have to pay Uncle Sam however. So please note that a 12.5% tax will be applied to any team who has told me they didn’t have room more keepers. And that’s about 70% of the league!

One of the top goals for this franchise was to trade with all 19 teams this winter. And we still need 11 more to finish a complete set of g20 trading cards. So if you haven’t yet traded with the Mobsters, there is still time to get in on these exciting deals! Everyone is welcome!

Best of luck this season to all! See you at the finish line! Peace.

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 19:52

Surely, Fosten isn’t implying that he’ll change the return value of future trades based on current trades.

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 20:24

blue hen, the word discount as it relates to future context quantifies my preference for friendly trade partners. The more we get to know each other, the more I understand what players, picks, prospects, and sandwiches a manager likes, the easier it becomes to trade in the future. You are one of the best guys I know and have a 84.6% lifetime discount on sandwiches. Hope we trade soon. Missing your collector card. Missing you. All the best.

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Sat, Mar 09, 2019, 20:31

While I’m proud to say that none of you took my t-card yet this offseason, I’m feeling a bit left out and curious. Anyone take a s7.01 for a decent leftover?

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 09:49

Anybody looking for a closer for a keeper, Will Smith is available for cheap.

GO
ID: 14143919
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 10:16

I am confirming that my Fosten trading card is in production now. He will post details.

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 10:24

GO receives
Cody Allen
2020 6th round s-pick
2020 10th round s-pick

Fosten receives
2020 5th round p-pick
2020 4th round s-pick
2020 9th round s-pick

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 11:34

GreggoRomans trade supp. 7.01 to Lyman.
Lyman trades Archie Bradley to Romans.

Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 11:36

Confirmed

Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 11:46

Greggo and I are re-working that Bradley deal. He no longer has 7.1 for trade.

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 11:50

wg receives
Corey Knebel
2020 11th round s-pick
2020 14th round s-pick

Fosten receives
2020 4th round s-pick
2020 9th round s-pick

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 11:52

Confirm

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 12:00

Romans trade 6.19 for 8.03 and Arrchie Bradley to Lyman

Lyman
ID: 48842210
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 12:02

confirmed

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 12:03

Romans trade 6.19 for 8.03 and Arrchie Bradley to Lyman

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 12:52

I swear I marked my keepers last night.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 13:19

Keeper Deadline Updates:

-- Super shocker bmd did not enter his keepers. I have just come to assume that he does it to *uck with me. Nerfherders also gets the dunce cap for neglecting to enter his keepers.

-- I got in all of the 11th hour trades. I allowed the last second Lyman / Greggo trade of Archie Bradley as well.

-- Using the new and improved offline draft tool (Tosh - you will be sooooooo happy next year) I entered the missing keepers onto mjd and bmd's teams. I then took all of the Prospect callups to date and added those players to their respective rosters. Of course, managers may still adjust their prospect keepers and callups, make any and all trades, etc. before tomorrow's deadline. But I was in there and it was an oh-so-easy way to accommodate those call ups.

-- So, outside of any adjustments to prospect call ups, what you see in the ESPN player database (minus prospects still on our prospect rosters or those who get drafted in our prospect draft) is an accurate reflection of the player pool for the Supplemental Draft. Feel free to begin to consider your draft boards.

-- So-called "Post Keeper Trades" are now completely open for business. There might be a few.....

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 13:53

Post-Keeper Trade #1:
GreggoRomans trade Archie Bradley to Blue Hen
Blue Hen trades supp picks 1.17 and 5.01 to Greggo Romans

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 13:57

Post-Keeper Trade # 2

GreggoRomans trade Charlie Morton to Childish Bambino (aks Meatwads)
Meatwads trade 2019 p. Pick 1.18

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 14:10

Confirm Archie deal

Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 15:15

<88> Confirmed.

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 15:22

The new G20...I loathe these post keep dealings of keepers.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 15:46

I think I agree with you slizz, and if there is an offseason proposal to change the rule, I willlikely support it. However, this is the world we live in in 2019. So, with that saie, I want announce a third post-keeper deal, and I want to thank all 4 teams who jumped in and bid on David Price, the man who was reputed to have no trade market, or so I heard in this forum.

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 15:48

Post-keeper Trade #3

Romans trade David Price to Blue Hen;
Blue Hen trades p.1.17, p.3.17, and 2020 p.5 to Romans

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 16:05

Confirmed Price

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 16:05

David Price, the man who was reputed to have no trade market, or so I heard in this forum.

Who said there was no trade market? I said he was an aging SP with 1-2 good years left and a marginal keeper. There is a difference between acquiring him post keeps and wasting a keeper spot on him.

Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 16:16

<91>For what it's worth, I feel fine about them. And not because I just did one. I got burned badly adding Zack Godley in this same situation last season. I view them as a natural progression in a league like this. I'd rather see a rebuilding team being creative with their last keeper spots than continue trying the same worn out blueprint of basically ignoring the spots and hoping for the best. That being said, if the league brought up a vote to abolish them in the future, I'm open to having my mind changed.

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 16:16

I really dislike them.

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 16:18

Ha!

Makes more sense than that Bradley deal. Going down to 8 players for 1.17 and 5.01 left me scratching my head.

Tree
ID: 77532019
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 16:20

they reek of prearranged collusion.

100

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 16:32

[93] Illegal trade. blue hen can't ship Price to Greggo on March 3 pre-keeprs then buy Price back on March 10 post-keepers.

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WG
ID: 53213822
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 17:08

I understand getting solid future value via these post-keep deals, but the Archie Bradley one seems like a big F you to the league. Round 1 in the supplemental draft is largely leftover keepers, so GR trades Bradley post-keep to get a pick in Round 1 to take... one of those leftovers he could have probably acquired for cheap and kept anyway? And for what, improving the 7 he paid to a 5? I like to think of myself as a contender, and its tough to think I had to put in all this effort pre-keep in talking trade to acquire a closer, when BH simply gets one post-keep for cheap (a 5, and his 1 he would use to draft a closer anyway, if one of Bradley's caliber was available, which he wouldn't have been at 1.17). GR improves 7-5 yet the rest of us contenders get screwed pretty badly for his minimal gain, IMO. That 1.17 essentially serves as his 9th keep, yet now he has to wait and see who falls to that pick rather than go out and get someone pre-keep. Sure, anyone else was probably free to make this same exact deal with him, but that doesn't change the fact that others would have gotten screwed. Maybe I'm using the term screwed too liberally, but that's how it feels.

You can argue that BH could have just traded his 5 to move up from 1.17 to whatever pick would have netted Bradley, but I'm not so sure that would be sufficient. And at least this would have eliminated the gray line between agreeing on deals that cross the pre and post keep line.

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Slizz
ID: 29614321
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 17:09

👆what he said.

103

WG
ID: 53213822
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 17:20

The Price and Morton trades at least have some good value being exchanged, but again, its this sort of balance needed between acting in one's own self interest while having consideration for the rest of the league (contenders, namely, in the year you don't anticipate contending) that I feel is somewhat violated by these pre/post keep agreements.

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Slizz
ID: 29614321
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 17:24

Like, how does that help his squad at all for 2019?

I don’t know if I’m the only one, but I nearly posted “I quit” because these deals are terrible for league parity.

105

Tree
ID: 217372011
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 17:51

I am waiting with anticipated amusement over the "explanations" of these deals.

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WG
ID: 53213822
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 17:57

TRADE

WG gets Austin Hays (p) and s10.12
Darkside gets s7.01

107

darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 18:43

Confirm

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 19:59

What would be a fair way to stop these types of deals? Just trying to figure out what might be the best solution.

Seems like lending a roster spot for a prospect pick is a good way to help a rebuild go by faster and might actually speed up the amount of time a bad team takes to turn around. So is the issue that a team can load up on post deadline players or that these deals are hush hush until the deadline goes by? If it’s the latter, then would it be better to just allow teams to trade their MLB keeper slots? That essentially what these deals are... but doesn’t sound very fair as I’m typing it out

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 20:19

Happy Keeper Day!!

Okay, let's break these concerns down into two distinct, separate areas:

1) You disagree with the VALUE involved in a particular trade or set of trades

That is fine. It does tend to ruffle a few feathers when you call someone out on the value of their deal. But we can have these disagreements sometimes, and as long as we don't get personal about it then that is okay.

2) You think there is a legal or moral violation in post-keeper trades.

I disagree here and am happy to discuss it. One thing first --- I wish managers would have spoken up in my response to my post #473 in the offseason thread, where I attempted to bring up this topic in advance of the keeper deadline. I even specifically reached out to multiple managers about it directly and asked for their feedback, but none posted. While this league is not a "speak now or forever hold your peace" league, I am disappointed that others did not speak up to have themselves heard. To jump in and pile on now when you had your chance to object to possible post-keep trade scenarios is like complaining after the cow has been let out of the barn.

I do my best to run and operate this league based upon a consensus. In the absence of dissent to the contrary, I then make decisions and steer things based upon both how we have done it in the past and as I see fit for the best interests of the league. As such, in this case, I advised our new league managers of the "dos and don'ts" about keeper deadline trading.

======================================

In terms of the expressed concerns, I need to start with post 100. No, the Price trade is not illegal. If, as I outlined in Post 473 of the previous thread, the trading of Price to Greggo included a predetermined return trade from Greggo back to blue hen, then yes this would be completely illegal and I would be booting offenders out of the league. But as everyone here was able to see for themselves, Price was available to the highest bidder. Multiple teams (including myself) were involved and Price went to the highest bidder. I think most teams would agree that Price went for a very fair, market price. It just so happened that blue hen was the winner of the bid.

I am not sure where Tree exactly falls in post 99 -- since he uses 'they', I have to assume he is responding to post-keeper trades in general. It also appears bmd and slizz have a general distaste for them. slizz in particular seems to feel they somehow create an imbalance and/or circumvent keeper limits.

Honestly it confuses me as to what these concerns really are:
- so long as a trade involves value-for-value (and the equity of that can be debatable, but that is another issue), that is typically the standard of legality.
- is it the timing? What is the difference between completing a trade after the keeper deadline vs. during the Supplemental Draft vs. the day before Opening Day vs. April 10th vs. April 15th vs. June 1st??
- I acknowledge that these trades are being discussed BEFORE the deadline for execution after the deadline. So what? Is it better if there is an impossible-to-enforce moratorium on trade talks until after the keeper deadline??

To me, the 'Commandments' that should govern trades in this league include:

1) Trades involve value-for-value that is completely incapsulated in the trade at hand (i.e. - no PTBNL, no "I will give you a little extra on the next trade", etc)

2) Collusion is completely prohibited and punishable by expulsion from the league

I am open to other suggestions as to how to govern league trades. I am, as always, open to discussion about 'post keeper' trades and how the league feels about them.

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Fosten
ID: 221040413
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 21:46

Species, I asked a year ago, whether Pete and I could swap Dylan Bundy/Bobby Bradley back-and-forth pre/post because I did not understand the rules. You said, "A material part of the discussion was avoiding any semblance of manipulating deadlines. You are not allowed to trade the same guys back and forth as it appears as a manipulation of keeper thresholds... The fact is, trading Bundy back and forth pre and post keep will be seen as wrong and a circumvention of the rules. People do not want deals that circumvent deadlines….” I asked, "On Bundy: How long do I have to wait to re-acquire? 1 week? 1 month? All-star break? 1 year?” and got no reply. I was working under the interpretation that “any semblance” or "appearance” of manipulating deadlines was illegal. This clearly falls under that category. Whether there was pre-determined intent or not is irrelevant. Personally, I think it should be legal to pre-determine pre/post swaps. If someone wants to use their keeper spot for rent, and then charge a tax when they return the player to the original owner, I see no issue. But you can’t have teams working under a different set of unwritten rules. This needs to be specifically clarified in the constitution.

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beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 22:00

If you keep a player, you can’t trade him until after two weeks of games. That would be my solution. No more backdoor deals. No more keeping someone to trade them. A keeper should be someone that you want to keep not someone you are holding for someone else.

I realize you could still do that in my scenario but holding someone for an extra month is a lot riskier than 3 hours.

112

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 22:26

110: I meant every word I said in response to your inquiry last year and stand behind it. I vaguely recall you asking when you could re-acquire him.....and I think I didn't respond because I honestly couldn't think of a reasonable response.

In my opinion this Price example is not an equivalent comparison and I disagree with your suggestion that pre-determination is irrelevant. The pre-determination shows intent to circumvent. In this Price deal, there was a full open market for an asset that was available to all 19 teams. Every single team could have bid. In fact, I was probably 30 seconds from 'winning' this bid until bh came in and upped his offer beyond what I was willing to pay.

If you can find a constitution or set of league rules that can govern every single nuance of league play, please direct me to it. Otherwise, it is up to me as the Commissioner to oversee the culture and administer the rules as best I can.

113

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 22:39

What would be a fair way to stop these types of deals?

Perhaps simply ask those involved to forward the email or text exchange to the commissioners and let the commissioners decide if this was truly a deal made post keepers or if it was made in a way to circumvent deadlines and keeper limits.

Outside of that, putting a trade halt between keeper declaration and say the first round of the draft. Or as somebody else suggested, players kept cannot be traded for at least 2 weeks.

My only issue with both of these proposed solutions is that they can hold back or punish legitimate trades and limit managers resources unduly.

But the stench that come sometimes arise from post keeper trades - avoiding that stench whether its deserved or not - is probably worth an extra rule.

114

GO
ID: 578392522
Sun, Mar 10, 2019, 22:57

Players can't go back and forth within 30 days. Off-season counts as 1 "day"

115

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 00:15

Gregory Polanco should be back in about 30 days. Anyone want to use their keeper DL to hold him for me?

116

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 00:28

I certainly understand why this looks fishy to some. Any trade with BH tends to get hyper-analyzed. And a [some time-length] trade-moratorium on traded players might be a rule change I support.

I am comfortable that Gregg was not trying to do anything sneaky. I know that he's on a several-year rebuilding plan, and is looking to move current assets for things in the future ... particularly with contenders. I know that he acquired Price with the intent on moving him again. I'm pretty certain that the Seattle Mariners just did the same thing with Edwin Encarnacion (although they have failed to-date).

I also tossed Gregg an offer for Price, which was very comparable to what BH got him for. I unfortunately was too slow in my reply, and Gregg had just accepted another offer. I didn't know that it was with BH. The email I received from Gregg was thus ... "Damn. Just saw this. Already accepted a deal. There were four offers.

117

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 00:44

Thanks for the opinions. We have worked hard to have a smart, active, passionate league, and here it is. Special kudos to Species, who has been a fair commish and innovative participant for years.

I support the two week rule. I don’t like these trades, I just do em because everyone else does. I agree with a point Thumper made, it takes away a potential weapon, but also agree with Khahan that sometimes stench outweighs substance.

Obviously, there was no collusion here. Greggo took over a terrible team and has a clearly defined strategy, which he is executing. I traded away Paxton, Archer, Price, and James in separate deals this year because there was a market for starting pitching. But as we saw with my team last year, you always need more pitching, so all of those guys were among my targets (along with Kershaw, Carrasco, Clevinger, Strasburg, Greinke, Berrios, and Tanaka- just ask their owners). Price just happened to be the one that came to fruition.

Further, all of these deals stand on their own, objectively. Let’s explore that:

Alvarez and Price for Verdugo, P1, and S5. Greggo was down on Verdugo and high on Alvarez. He also saw that Price would have a market, based on the fact that I had traded a p pick and potential keeper for him and other owners had expressed interest in him and other pitchers all offseason. P1 is a high price, but knowing what Price would fetch, I suspect he’d have offered more.

Price for P1, P3, P5. Four contenders looking for the same guy. Multiple offers that included P1 and more. Prime bidding war territory, and Greggo reaped the reward. I suspect he’s extremely happy with this deal.

Archie and S8 for S6. Lyman wasn’t going to get anything for Bradley, and last minute got an offer. Some wrenches here because of the time crunch, the two managers being new, and Greggo not having a 7th. But Lyman got an upgrade instead of not an upgrade. I’d guess he’s content, even if he now realizes he could have gotten more (Knebel went for a 4th, moments earlier). Lyman and I had been talking about postkeeper deals for Bradley or Giles most of the winter, so I’m sure he knew what Bradley could fetch, and was willing to deal him even if it slowed momentum on a Giles deal.

Bradley for S1 and S5. A first rounder is basically a keeper. Greggo realized that whoever he cut would be his likely target at 1.17 (or someone better if things fell right). So rather than just keeping that guy, he used his keeper slot to move up a few rounds. In a vaccuum, S1+S5 for a keeper slot is pretty fair and even, almost always.

I don’t think any of these managers acted against their own interests in any way. Am I missing something?

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Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 01:06

To clarify, I do not think anything fishy went down or this was any kind of collusion. I feel this is a fair strategy and these types of trades should be legal, but was led to believe they are not. There’s no way to police it or prove what someone’s intent was. Should I trade away Pete Alonso pre-keepers with the intent to match any offer a month into the season? Should I pretend I don’t like Gregory Polanco and then suddenly have a change of heart? I specifically don't trade away players pre-keepers that I might want to re-acquire later, to avoid "any semblance" or "appearance" of manipulation. The rule is undefined and a new manager would not know this from reading the constitution.

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Slizz
ID: 29614321
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 10:12

It is not a keeper at all. Let alone at 17. It’s a fringe top 200 player.

The Bradley trade is exactly why Ref, the founding father of G20, quit...

I’ll paraphrase what I think happened - BH told Romans to get Bradley, keep him, and trade him to BH post keep...the fact that he cut a top 100 guy like Cesar Hernandez for Bradley, only to take his team down to 8 players, to screw himself, pick again at 17 to make himself whole...for what? A 5th?

We are the suckers for continually putting up with this s*it. It’s a rigged game and I find myself saying “Ref and Toral were right...”

I won’t waste and exert any more of my time/energy on this subject. Decide whatever you want as a solution.

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Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 10:30

what he said.

that's why i called it collusion.

121

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 10:39

Post 117 is a doozy. I don't know if I'm supposed to be insulted by it or if Dave really believes the bs he sells. I don't care to dissect all of it, but I'll say this. Only in an alternate universe is a keeper slot worth a supplemental 1st and 5th. It's a negative EV move 6 days a week and twice on Sunday.

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Khahan
ID: 80441414
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 10:51

talking about postkeeper deals for Bradley or Giles most of the winter

Right here is the sticking point for me. If you are discussing post keeper deals for a player you are explicitly stating, "We discussed keeping a player and then trading him after the deadline." There is no way to have that conversation about post keeper deals during the winter unless the discussion includes, "player A being kept to make this work."

Sorry but that is pretty much a textbook definition of collusion - "Hey, lets make a trade work by bypassing keeper deadlines and keeper totals."

Your intentions may not be so explicit and may honestly just be, "this is a fair deal that works out." But the end result is the same as people who flat out state, "Screw keeper limits and keeper deadlines. Lets make this deal work so we get benefits others can't and screw over the league."

Intentions matter, yes. And I dont believe for one second that latter description was anybody's intention. But the results are the same and results matter as well.

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GO
ID: 14143919
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:27

To be fair to BH he sent me the same 1st/5th offer for Allen right after I got him. So I think the concept of the post keeper deal was premeditated but not the names or managers involved. That was dependent on who wound up with who and assessed at that point.

I passed cause Fosten worked through 300 plu emails since November to finally settle on something on deadline day. Didn't want to just throw that out for a slight upgrade.

124

darkside
ID: 2822316
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:28

darkside trades 2019 P1.07 to GreggoRomans for Sixto Sanchez and 2019 P3.17

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Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:28

re: I’ll paraphrase what I think happened - BH told Romans to get Bradley, keep him, and trade him to BH post keep...the fact that he cut a top 100 guy like Cesar Hernandez for Bradley, only to take his team down to 8 players, to screw himself, pick again at 17 to make himself whole...for what? A 5th? .....................................

I was going to stay out of this discussion, because I don't want to be accused of sour grapes. But I also have a STRONG suspicion that this is exactly what happened. And, in the process, I went from gaining a 7th rounder to merely moving up a meaningless 25 slots in the middle of the draft. In the end, I was played a fool. And my trust level in the two parties involved plummeted as a result. Also, I am not "content" with the Bradley deal. And if I had it to do all over again, or even had more than 30 seconds to consider how I was being played and how in the Bradley deal I suddenly went from gaining a 7th rounder to merely swapping an 8th rounder for a 7th rounder, I would have GLADLY just left Bradley unprotected and kept my pride. Some seriously sketchy business tactics, and again my trust level went from a 10 to a 2 with the parties involved. Yesterday was definitely my worst experience in the league. Tough pill to swallow for a guy who was honestly working the wire to make some reasonable deals for Bradley.

126

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:49

118: To clarify, I do not think anything fishy went down or this was any kind of collusion. I feel this is a fair strategy and these types of trades should be legal, but was led to believe they are not. There’s no way to police it or prove what someone’s intent was. Should I trade away Pete Alonso pre-keepers with the intent to match any offer a month into the season? Should I pretend I don’t like Gregory Polanco and then suddenly have a change of heart? I specifically don't trade away players pre-keepers that I might want to re-acquire later, to avoid "any semblance" or "appearance" of manipulation. The rule is undefined and a new manager would not know this from reading the constitution.

Agreed! Hence, I authored Post #473 here to go over THESE EXACT ISSUES!

I got crickets.

Where were everybody's concerns then? Why did no one speak up (and DO NOT claim that you just didn't see the post -- everyone needs to be aware of league discussions and pay attention)? Based upon no arguments (and with perhaps some ambiguity in the Constitution), I did exactly what Fosten suggestion should have occurred and counseled the two new managers about what line you can't cross and how you can choose to get creative if that is what you want to do. The rest is up to them.

Now I am pissed off because I did what I thought was right to head off this exact outrage (let alone what I am getting via text right now), and I have people so upset that they are considering quitting the league. How else should I have handled this??

And if Fosten or anyone else is going to insinuate that I have different sets of rules for different managers, that is just bull$hit. Why in the f**k do I need to waste my time on a soapbox to defend blue hen - one of my greatest rivals?? The answer to that is, because he did nothing wrong in my view.

- Want to say he "ripped off" Greggo? Be my guest.
- Want to say Greggo perhaps underestimated the value of a keeper spot vs. a 1st round pick? Go for it.
- Want to suggest that post-keeper trades should be limited? Then please feel free to post a potential rule change and we will discuss them for a potential vote like we always do.

** I have ZERO concerns that Greggo did anything but act in what he felt was his team's best interests.
** I have ZERO concerns that he in any way 'colluded' with anyone to somehow defraud the league.
** I have ZERO concerns that the considerations involved in the original Price trade had ANYTHING to do with the considerations of the second Price trade.

I have had multiple phone conversations and long text exchanges to conclude that Greggo knows his fantasy baseball, and will soon be kicking the asses of 2/3 of this league. Is he also a new manager who is still figuring out how best to value certain nuances of the league, its deadlines, etc? Maybe yes, maybe no. But trading with new managers has been around forever. It takes time to figure things out.

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Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:54

Romans trade Sixto Sanchez and p. 3.17 to Darkside for p.1.07.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 11:59

Secondly, I want to address the concept of a pre-negotiated trade and "collusion", because I think some people think the two are synonymous, and that appears to be where a lot of people are upset.

Dictionary.com defines collusion as: "secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others"

Sorry guys, but in my opinion there is a HUGE gap between negotiating a deal that will happen after the keeper deadline and conspiring to cheat the league. As I outlined in the post linked in post 126 above, there are trades that are specifically designed to circumvent deadlines that may not occur.

- But, once the keeper deadline has passed, someone please tell me why trading has to stop?
- Why can't a team continue to trade to build up extra players before the Supplemental Draft?
- Why do managers think making a trade after keepers is somehow circumventing the keeper deadline?
- What is the difference between making a trade on March 10th and March 28th ("Opening Day")? Or April 2nd? Or April 22nd?

Each of these post-keeper trades involves value-for-value. Each trade uses assets that each team wants. Is agreeing to do so before the deadline truly "collusion". That seems like leveraging your assets to me.

Would it be different if the same managers made the exact same trade, but did not discuss anything until the deadline has passed?

-- I completely acknowledge that these trades were pre-negotiated
-- I recognize that the Bradley trade was made in the vein of: "if you acquire Bradley pre-keep, I will pay xxxxx post-keep"

Each side of the Bradley trade is independent of the other - how is that collusion? Greggo made a valuation on Bradley pre-keep........made a separate valuation of Bradley post-keep. Debate whether he valued it properly if you want, but where did someone do something to cheat the league?

129

Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 12:15

Wow, I was gone for a week and this board exploded. (Sorry about missing keepers on the league site.)

Don't we have veto power in this league? It seems that trades just go through. In almost every league I've ever been in there's been at least a day gap between a trade agreed upon and being made official - a day (or more) for the league to decide if that trade is in the best interests of the league.

I'm not saying I would veto the trades made last weekend or not, but I *thought* we had that choice, and that chance to do so. If not, we should, and that would solve alot of these issues, assuming people would use their right to veto, and not abuse it.

130

Khahan
ID: 80441414
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 12:18

I think I just didn't want to rock the boat back then, but now I guess I can only blame myself for not speaking up.

I think 1, 2 and 3 are pretty straight forward and obvious that those are no-nos.
Its #4 that I have a problem with. First, I understand the sentiment that it is efficient to do it this way and a rule preventing it is easily ignored and circumvented. But that doesn't mean it sits well with me.

I've been doing fantasy baseball on these boards in one form or another since about 1999. I think I did my first keeper league in 2003 or so and have been in multiple keeper leagues every year since. I can honestly say I have never once, ever, offered a deal or considered offering a deal that is a post-keeper trade.

They are a form of collusion, plain and simple. There is no two ways about it to me. If the rules state we can keep 9 players and I make a deal that after the deadline you'll trade me player A for pick B - I am setting up a deal that circumvents the 9 player rule. Once its agreed to, I essentially have 10 keepers. Oh, I get 1 less pick in the draft, big deal. I still go into keepers and enter the draft knowing ahead of time I have an extra player, an extra position etc.

I get it. Nothing is to say if 2 managers are so inclined, they can't just agree to do it and then announce it after the fact as if it was a deal they just came up with. But them having an easy way to be dishonest* should not mean we as a league should condone the behavior. Species - sorry I didn't speak up when you first asked.

*not saying what was done recently is dishonest. There currently was no rule against it. I'm truly speaking hypothetically there and not indicting any past actions. Just suggesting we do something to stop future actions.

131

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 12:23

129: By rule, offseason trades are handled and approved by the Commissioner. I believe there was a controversial trade that I once put it to a league vote instead.

These post-keeper trades have yet to go through ESPN. If it will help, I can do so from here on out, and then everyone gets to have their voice heard on any of these specific trades.

132

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 12:30

Confirm Darkside trade. Couldnt find it, so I posted it as well.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 13:35

The debate and discussion may continue, but league business must also continue.

1) The prospect keeper deadline has passed. All kept prospects are noted in the league constitution document linked above.

2) The new draft grid is posted in the link above. Good news! It balances. 24 prospects were kept. That leaves 36 new picks in the 2019 Prospect Draft.

3) I will open the Prospect Draft thread shortly. Once it is open, Managers may make their picks untimed if they so choose. The clock does not start until tomorrow. Managers are NOT required to make their picks until tomorrow. That is their choice.

4) I believe I accurately reflected all of the prospect call ups on everyone's rosters. Please double check. I miss stuff.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 14:11

Post-keeper trade work-around:

Due to changes in the ESPN website, apparently we cannot propose trades where a player is being traded for picks (i.e. - no player is being returned to the team receiving picks). To that end, I just added some scrubs to the rosters of blue hen (2) and Meatwads for them to be able to propose the trades they completed post-keeper.

Starting now (including these post-keeper trades from yesterday) I will not decision these trades myself. These trades will go through our normal voting process. If you want to kill one of these trades, get your veto stamp out.

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Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 15:35

Agreed Species, onward! I didn’t mean to offend or insinuate that anyone had done anything wrong. Perhaps I am the one who is misunderstanding what the rules actually are.

There are infinite combinations on how we can trade players, picks, prospects, and sandwiches. The rules should highlight what you can do, not punish what you cannot do. I do not believe there is a moral problem with any of the trades outlined in #473. As I said, I believe blue hen and Greggo should be able to swap Price back and forth, but by your own definition of “any semblance" or “appearance”, they should not. I would love to throw mjd a huge offer for Odor right now, because I don’t have a 2B. But I don’t feel I am allowed to, especially so close to the keeper deadline, because that might give the “appearance” that we had pre-arranged something a week ago, even though we never once discussed the possibility of me re-acquiring him. After I trade Odor, I feel like I have to disown him for a few months and go look for another 2B, and I don’t want to have to feel that way.

I would suggest clarifying some of the unwritten keeper rules at a more appropriate date. It takes time to craft the wording of this stuff. By post #473 teams like me had most of their off-seasons moves done and were working on our final deals. To acquire picks necessary to keep Pete Alonso on my team, I had to pay David Dahl, Michael Chavis, Rougned Odor, and 1.9 and a whole heck of alot of work in between. If I can just pay someone a (david) “price tax" to rent their keeper spot, I would much rather do that. What one person considers to be a loophole, another considers to be a viable strategy. What is actually immoral about pre-arranging a pre/post deal? The point of a game is to figure out how to win. At deadline each team is responsible for figuring out how to manage that crunch in their own creative ways. Just because someone makes a chess move that others can’t see, doesn’t mean it’s cheating. Challenging rules helps folks think deeper and find new strategies and solutions. Not all loopholes are bad.

Can we also start separate threads for rules and trade discussions? The mixture of both tends to get lengthy at times. Looking forward to the season. Peace.

136

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 18:23

Trade Announcement

Slizz receives
P 2.03
Fosten’s 1st 2020 p pick

Thumper receives
P 1.10

Slizz to confirm

137

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 18:25

Confirmed

138

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 18:38

Approved. Fire away Thumper!

140

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 18:48

Prospect Draft Notice:

Due to the pending David Price trade vote, once the Prospect Draft reaches my pick at 1.13, I will pause the draft, probably overnight, to assess the status of the vote. If that trade gets overturned, it would obviously change Greggo owning 1.17. Greggo would deservedly need an opportunity to consider other suitors, and some of those suitors (including myself) have picks in this range.

The clock doesn't start until tomorrow, and we have made great progress. I hate to slow our roll, but I would rather be safe than sorry considering the uproar involved.

If any other team wishes to pause, that is also understandable.

141

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 20:29

Didn't mean to cause uproar. I'm fine with whatever decision Species makes.

Going back to what Thumqer said in post 108: "would it be better to just allow teams to trade their MLB keeper slots? That essentially what these deals are... but doesn’t sound very fair as I’m typing it out"

That might be a great idea or a horrible idea. I'm leaning great idea. Anyone else have thoughts?

142

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 21:19

If anyone is dead set on a prospect I may be open to dealing my 1st rounder for a 1st rounder next year.

143

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 21:30

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Khahan sends prospect pick 1.11 to Lyman

Lyman sends Ken Giles to Khahan

Lyman can pick when ready.

144

Lyman
ID: 48842210
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 21:30

Confirmed.

145

GO
ID: 14143919
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 21:31

Anyone else got a closer available for a pick after Lyman picks here?

146

Tree
ID: 77532019
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 21:46

hell, if we're opening up the gates, i might be inclined to move a top 7 supplemental pick for the right closer.

147

Species
ID: 351051122
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 22:53

Considering I had P1.13 on the table for Giles......count me in on those interested in a closer!!

148

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 23:16

Stating for the public record that I intend to make an offer for Giles.

149

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 23:39

Stating for the public record - not interested in moving him. He's filling a need on my roster.

150

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 23:41

Though I'll post publicly that I'm willing to trade p-picks or s-picks for another closer.

151

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 23:58

Archie is on the block.

152

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 23:58

Archie is on the block.

153

Lyman
ID: 48842210
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 00:55

Not to bring all of this back up, but I thought it only fair that I mention - since I did make accusations in an earlier post - that Greggo and Blue Hen both reached out to me and we're all good now. I appreciate their sincerity and their taking the time to patch things up. My trust level is back to 9, which is probably as high as it goes for all of you advantageous bastards!!! :)

154

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 02:06

Khahan has set a fine market on closers in post keeper deals. I am asking a 1st round . p. Pick for Archie, or something that adds up to that in value. I h take it fro species remark earier that 1.13 may be on the table. If so, does anyone want to beat it. Khahan, you need not think you are out of it due to trading 1.11. Maybe there is something you have that adds up to a 1st round prospect pick

155

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 09:45

Doing my best to be a good citizen here. Having been rejected in my attempts to get Giles, Knebel, and Osuna, does anybody have an issue if I enter the bidding war for Bradley? And if not, are any of my assets off limits- Verdugo, Price, 5.1?

156

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 12:12

Agreed blue hen.

Fosten’s Pre-keeper Trade Report
g20 trading cards collected:
- Khahan, Slizz, Thumqer, Lyman, darkside, Nerf, ttu, mjd, GO, WG
g20 trading cards missing:
- bmd, MW, Species, Tree, yr, Tosh, Greggo, Guru, bh
Players Fosten can’t reacquire within 30 days:
- Darvish, Piscotty, Dahl, Chavis, Iglesias, Odor, Allen, Knebel

See how absurd it would be to regulate this?

157

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 12:19

I am approving the Morton and Price trades a couple of hours early. These trades involve upcoming Prospect Draft picks and we need to move on.

There were only 2 vetoes registered for the Price trade. Considering 7 vetoes were registered to overturn the Bradley trade, if those who were objecting the most to the post-keeper trades as a whole were as upset about Price as Bradley, they would have vetoed both.

There were no vetoes of the Morton trade.

These are now processed and we need to move on.

Of course, I am on the Prospect Draft clock and am running into a 9:30am meeting. I blew my entire professional day yesterday working on G20........sorry, I cannot do it again.

158

Species
ID: 351051122
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 12:46

** Trade Announcement **

Species receives Archie Bradley

Greggo receives Prospect Pick 1.13

159

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 12:48

Confirm.

160

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 12:54

- I voted against the Price trade because it was a pick swap for the same player 7 days apart on each side of the deadline.
(I certainly would have done the same thing as blue hen if I thought we were allowed.)

- I voted in support of Morton and Bradley because it was simply reselling assets acquired from a third party.
(Player prices go up after deadline and it was smart for Greggo to flip them.)

161

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 13:05

Open to dealing my p1 also.

162

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 15:20

** Parsing through the rubble **

So, we have had a couple of days of some bad feelings, accusations and controversy. The league made their voice heard and overturned what was perceived as the biggest slight. While there is no doubt going to be some lingering hurt feelings, I hope we can move on as a group and ultimately take some lessons from this and decide as a league how best to adjust our rules to avoid anything of this nature again.

In my view, the largest lesson to be learned is that we all have a responsibility to understand that - just because something is not expressly forbidden in our rules - we have a moral code in this league that should not be crossed. This league IS about getting creative with your rosters, roster spots, picks, etc - but not to the point where any manager should have their credibility questioned. Getting ahead in the hope of winning is not worth that. Most of us have known each other for an awfully long time, and many more are getting to know each other better as time goes on. I have had more than 1 person explain that one thing that sets this league apart is the camaraderie between managers - many have ongoing text or chat threads where moves, players and picks are discussed and it adds a lot of enjoyment to the league. I do not want to lose that.

- It looks like Lyman is squared away and is comfortable with what went on.
- Greggo appears reasonably well squared away. He can speak for himself, but the good news is that he doesn't have any grudges to hold.
- I'm sure blue hen has some hurt feelings, but my discussion with him was productive and he is accepting of the league's vote and will move on.

I know there are some parties that still have concerns. I hope this is akin to a bad Thanksgiving dinner --- somehow John-boy did something to upset Grandpa Zeb, which pissed off Aunt Mable so now your Dad is mad. But like most families, you have to shrug it off and stick to what is most important. We have a great, active and highly competitive league.....and sometimes in the heat of battle a line gets crossed.

163

Khahan
ID: 80441414
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 15:33

Post 162 - its posts like this that makes me wish these boards had a thumbs up or a rating for individual posts. Would give 6 out of 5 star, Species.

164

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 16:07

There goes Khahan, trying give out stars he doesn't have - such a cheater.

Just kidding, and I'll echo something Species said - the camaraderie is the best part of this league. Thanks for being here.

And yes, I'm still a little annoyed at the end result here, but I'll get over it (trophies help, so I better draft well).

165

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 13:58

Borrowing from my league-wide email:

- Prospect draft is going well. WG and Guru finish out Round 2. Then ttucowboy, darkside and Meatwads finish us off. The picks are all of high quality. Great job everyone.

- Please note the separate thread dedicated to the proposed new rules governing prospects, prospect picks and the prospect draft based upon our rule changes approved last year. PLEASE review these critical new rules and suggest edits, clarifications, etc. There is already a loophole that I am not sure I can govern in written form. I need input from outside sources.

- With the Prospect Draft nearing conclusion (probably tonight, if not this afternoon), I am considering opening the Supplemental Draft a day early. This would also move up the start o the draft clock by one day. Any concerns or objections to that??

166

Khahan
ID: 80441414
Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 14:05

Can we just turn the draft on 1 day early and still start the clock at the same time?

167

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 14:44

I’d love to start the supplemental draft as early as possible!

168

Tree
ID: 217372011
Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 18:25

No issues with starting early, but let's hold off on the clock until the previously announced time.

169

Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Wed, Mar 13, 2019, 18:54

Thanks for letting me hold this draft up. I've been talking trades. My pick is available for a 1st round prospect pick next season, or a 1st round supplemental pick this season. If I don't have any takers in the next 30 minutes, I'll make a selection.

170

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 11:56

** Pre-Supplemental Draft Update **

Prospect draft:
Congratulations to everyone on a great prospect draft. Some nice wheeling and dealing, and some teams have a really f**king impressive stable of prospects:

- Lyman with Franco and Kirilloff 1-2 was impressive, and added Nate Lowe on top of that? Sick!
- slizz already had 2 beasts in Adell and Trammell, but added Gorman and Brujan too? Give me a break......oh and Mauricio with upside galore.
- Greggo's stable of prospects has depth and HUGE upside. The ceilings on these guys are higher than the Empire State building.....but with that comes some high risk of flameout.
- Thumper got value on EVERY pick. Great mix of upside and solid guys.
- Fosten got tremendous value after round 1 in Hayes, Jansen and Larnach.
- WG got upside up the wazoo in KRob and Pearson.

Just a great draft! All prospects are now assigned to their teams in the Constitution.

Supplemental Draft:

blue hen is entering in all of the keepers into Draftime as we speak. After that, I will open the draft on an untimed basis. The clock will start Saturday as originally noted in our preseason schedule.

Some reminders / rules about our Supplemental Draft:

1) Draftime is accurate right now in terms of "removing" from the draft pool all of the prospects on our prospect list as well as the 10th keepers. Please note: without notice, Draftime will add new names to the pool. So, just because Hunter Greene isn't in there now, he could be added between now and before our draft is completed and we miss it.

So, in terms of prospects, our prospect list and 10th keeper declarations take precedence over a name being shown available in Draftime that shouldn't be there. It is every managers responsibility to check those lists if there is any doubt about a players availability. If you make an incorrect pick, the draft moves on and you can correct it at any time.

2) All players are now free agents in ESPN. So, when you draft a player, it is your responsibility to pick up that player in ESPN! Some day I am going to develop my own Kangaroo Court penalty system and count how many managers don't pick up their players. Be a team player! You have a phone!! Don't be a lazy ass!!! I am going to name names, dammit.

Using the ESPN list as a way to gauge what players are available is an invaluable tool for our draft. Sure we all have a variety of lists we refer to, but having ESPN right there is important.

Unfortunately, while I have placed all of the 10th keepers on their respective teams, there is no easy way to filter our prospect list out of the ESPN available free agents. I know this is a source of consternation, but we work with what we have.

Please note: to be eligible to be drafted in our Supplemental Draft, our rules dictate that the player must be in the ESPN list of Free Agent players. So, there could be a name that shows available in Draftime that is NOT in the ESPN FA list. I'm not sure that has ever happened, but I assume it is possible.

3) Please be aware that managers will forget to pick up players and they will show available in ESPN.........but when you go to Draftime they show unavailable. Nothing we can do about that.

4) Please post any in-draft pick trades ASAP. We have several managers with Admin privileges in Draftime to accommodate this exact need. I am in meetings or traveling often so I cannot be the sole person to administer this.

5) Prospect call ups and post-keeper trades result in forfeited picks at the end of your Supplemental Draft. My records indicate the following teams are forfeiting their last pick/picks, which will be removed from Draftime (PLEASE check for accuracy!):

Species: 3 (Robles, Senzel, Bradley)
bmd: 1 (Vlad)
Tree: 3 (Urias, Tucker, Calhoun)
Lyman: 1 (Chavis)
bh: 3 (Verdugo, Kikuchi, Price)
youngroman: 1 (Wright)
mjd: 2 (Whitley, Soroka)
Fosten: 3 (Meadows, Gohara, Allard
WG: 2 (Adams, Hays)
Khahan: 1 (Giles)
Meatwads: 1 (Morton)

Please post here or contact me privately with any questions. Good luck to you all, and happy drafting!!

171

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 12:10

Note: forfeited picks become so when they come up in the draft. Happy to upgrade someone's 14th to my 11th if they want it, for a small upgrade elsewhere.

172

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 12:57

One other difference between Draftime and ESPN:

We do not add 10th keepers to your Draftime roster. There is just not a good way to mechanically do so.

Use Draftime as our draft tool.

ESPN is where your rosters are official, and your 10th keepers are there. Yes, there is a slight disconnect (i.e. draft grid).....but it is only a minor inconvenience.

173

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 13:07

Munson Mobsters 0% Off Sale
Back to some trade fun! Items available:
- Jose Berrios - Guy walks into a bar and says Berrios? I hardly know us!
- s-pick 1.1
- s-pick 1.2
I'm hoping to maybe grab a 1B or OF in the draft until I see how Alonso and Meadows look.
But would consider moving these picks today if the right offer came along.

174

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 15:50

It looks like ESPN no longer has a link for active stats (i.e., listing of stats produced for your team by each player). Was trying to look up something from last season, and couldn't find it. Went to our ESPN basketball league, and it's no longer there either.

So, for example, if you want track your team's contributions this year from streamed players, it looks like you'll have to do it by hand.

175

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 15:58

[174] An archive of active hit/pitch stats was recorded in the G20 History spreadsheet. We were able capture that data this winter. Kudos to blue hen for the foresight!

176

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 16:02

I noticed that too. I have to believe ESPN will add it back at some point. But who knows.

Meanwhile, we have this data from 2011-18 in the spreadsheet.

177

Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 16:38

That's disappointing. I record my own stats for my team, but use that active stats log to check my work. I have mine broken down by position, so I can tell what positions overall did, and who contributed to each position.

178

youngroman
ID: 152231417
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 18:23

bh - since this feature is still missing in hoops, I doubt that it will come back for baseball. it looks like only some freaks like us used it so it was expendable.

maybe its finally time for me to code something to have this data visible in some form. the data is accessible through the ESPN API. The question is only how to efficiently retrieve them when only given a league ID.

179

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 19:19

The GOOD news is that I’ll soon be able to test the IL feature with Andrew Heaney who’s just been shut down.

180

Fosten
ID: 221040413
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 19:26

Hey folks, received some fun offers today for 1.1 and 1.2. Thank you to those who showed interest, but I’ve decided to make the picks instead. Surprised we started the draft a day early. Expected to have more time. Open to continue negotiations into the season. Peace.

181

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 20:00

Oh the drama of a draft day delay.

182

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 20:51

I don't see a need or legit reason to rush. Timeline clearly outlined in the first post of this thread. Only thing I'd ask is if someone is going to sit and wait for a bit, which is within their right since we opened early, to post and let everyone know.

183

GO
ID: 14143919
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 21:24

I could be persuaded to trade down out of the first 1.12 spot into something with a 2nd + ?...

184

Tree
ID: 217372011
Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 21:38

I am entertaining several offers, but not sure any deals will be made. Gonna contemplate, watch the Goldbergs with the wife, then pick or trade.

There's my update. :)

185

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 10:03

Trade Announcement

GO receives
S 2.09
S 3.20
His 2020 5th round s pick back

Thumper receives
S 1.12
S 5.12
GO’s 2020 8th round s pick

186

GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 10:30

Confirmed

187

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 15:14

Getting ready to board a flight. If the draft gets to me I won’t be able to pick until 6-7 et.

188

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 16:15

FROM THE TREASURER:

Time to collect dues for the prize pool for 2019

For those in the pool, the annual charge is $15. The pool is distributed to the top 6 in the standings. Typically, the winner gets around $100, and 6th place gets $15, with the scale grading in between. Final determination of amounts depends on the number participating in the pool each year.

New teams in the league may wait one year before deciding to be in the pool. Of course, if you defer in your first year, you are ineligible for a prize in your first year. Starting in year #2, you must decide whether to be in or out. If you are in, you must remain in the pool each year going forward. If you ever decide to opt out in the future, you may no longer re-enter the pool.

Blue Hen is out of the pool.
Greggo and Lyman have the option to join this year or to defer the decision until next year.

Some people have funds on account (from previous winnings) to cover their $15 dues for this year.

The following managers have enough funds on account to cover dues: BMD, Fosten, Khahan, Species, Guru
Great One has $5.00 on account, so owes only $10.00 (but see caveat below about Hoops winnings)

Everyone else owes $15

Three of you are highly likely to win enough in G20 Hoops this year to cover your baseball dues: Great One, WG, and Pete N. I suggest that you just wait and I'll take your baseball dues from those winnings when they are finalized.

If you think I have missed funds on account for you, please let me know, Otherwise, you may pay in one of these two ways:

PAYPAL: send to davehall@rotoguru2.com. (Recipient will probably appear as Uncommon Cents LLC.) Designate this as “send money to friends and family”, and mark the payment only as G20 baseball

CHECK via SNAIL MAIL: check can be sent to the address listed at the bottom of this page:
http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html
If you snail mail, please tell me in advance so that I can mark you as tentatively paid until the check arrives.

Payments are due NOW. Please pay promptly so I don’t have to keep pestering you.

189

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 19:20

Trade Announcement:

Great One receives:

3.13
3.19

Species receives:

2.18
5.18

190

GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 19:22

Confirmed

191

GO
ID: 14143919
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 20:17

Confirmed another trade down with Thumqer coming soon...

192

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 20:25

Trade Announcement

GO receives
His 2020 2nd Supp pick back
S 8.19
S 13.12

Thumper receives
GO 2020 14th Supp pick
S 3.13
S 6.12

Precornfirmed above! I should have tacked on more for fun!

To clarify this trade and the one from earlier today, GO is getting HIS ORIGINAL 2nd and 5th supp picks back for 2020, not my 2020 picks. The version of the trade from earlier today shouldn’t say my supp picks

193

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 21:13

Corrected and noted.

194

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 14:54

I have turned on the draft clock, albeit a little late (but let me tell you, my back yard looks GREAT).....but we are all set for the rest of the draft. Three hours per pick. If you get skipped, you may make up the pick at any time.

PLEASE PICK UP YOUR PLAYERS IN ESPN!

Reminder: we are "live" and in season right now in anticipation of the Seattle vs. Oakland regular season games in Tokyo. Any players drafted in time for that deadline may be inserted into your lineup to have those stats count. Be wary of game time locks given the date/time difference. It is up to each manager to pick up your own players and set your own lineups.

Happy drafting!

195

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 14:58

Another pair of reminders:

1) Our prospect draft is over, so that means that 2021 prospect picks are now available to trade

2) We are in the midst of our supplemental draft. Now that it has started, you may trade 2021 supplemental picks as well.

196

GO
ID: 14143919
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 18:07

Anyone else have pitchers missing from thr Grid screen in Draftime?

197

darkside
ID: 2822316
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 19:29

Sorry for the delay and thanks for waiting Tosh. Today was the culmination of months of planning for my wife’s 40th and I’m in the midst of hosting 50 people. I set my queue for one round thinking I’d be able to check in before my next pick, but wasn’t able to. Again, apologies to all of you. I’ll do better going forward.

198

darkside
ID: 2822316
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 19:30

*thanks for waiting, Tree!

199

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 19:36

196:
GO - I'm counting 6 pitchers on your grid screen and 6 pitchers drafted for you.

200

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 21:51

196: Yes GO. I noticed the same thing last night in my grid. No pitchers. Haven't looked today. Time to check I guess.

201

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 21:58

I just noticed there is currently no overnight draft pause set up. I just emailed Species.

202

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 22:11

Trade Announcement

ttucowboy trades:

2020 3rd round supplemental pick
2020 1st round prospect pick
2021 1st round prospect pick

mjd trades:

Robbie Ray
2020 10th round supplemental pick

Mjd to confirm.

203

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 22:36

confirmed

204

Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Mar 16, 2019, 22:37

201: corrected. Thank you!!!!!

206

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 00:42

Trade Announcement
BH receives:
- Delino Deshields
- 9.12

Great One receives:
- 4.17
- 6.17

207

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 00:42

He wants Leonys, I’ll take him now.

208

GO
ID: 14143919
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 07:31

BH why dont you add Martin on ESPN and send that offer?

209

GO
ID: 14143919
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 07:31

And confirmed.

210

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 10:04

Done.

211

Species
ID: 351051122
Sun, Mar 17, 2019, 16:33

Trade:

WG receives:
10.15
11.13
Species 2020 14th

Species receives:
14.09
14.19
WG's 2020 10th

212

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 05:59

Confirmed. Anyone else looking to trade picks??

213

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 07:35

To answer your succinctly WG: YES! In these mid-rounds while there are a few morsels left to pick off the bones, I have been offered this: a 2019 8, two 9's, and a 10 for my last 4 in 2019 for my 2020 6 and 8 in exchange for 2020 8 and 10. Feel free to beat this, WG or anyone.

214

GO
ID: 578392522
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 08:14

Hello, please update the picks from Delino trade in Draftime.

215

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 11:50

Trade Announcement

GO receives
7.12
13.07

Thumper receives
8.19
11.12

Hoping we get the picks in before the weekend - keep up the good pace folks!

216

GO
ID: 14143919
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 12:08

Confirmed.

Further to my point above. On the Grid screen nobody has any SP. Buehler for me is absent from that tool. He shows fine in my picks.

Seems to be error on the Grid screen.

217

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 12:25

It's probably a glitch related to having pitchers listed as both P and SP. That's rather unusual. Should have been either P for all pitchers, or SP vs RP.

In prior years, all pitchers in this draft were simply listed as P.

I'm sure if you change your SP positions to P, they'll appear in the P column.

218

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 12:40

I notified Fred at Draftime.com of the apparent glitch. He's looking into it.

219

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 12:56

217: Sorry, Greggo notified me of this a while ago and I did not follow up. I figured since we added separate SP slots that I would add SP to the list of Draftime positions for the draft. That apparently created this.

Your players are there.......but yes at the moment the grid is not accurate. Use your ESPN team pages to review your teams.

220

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 13:00

Draftime, the Supplemental Grid and the Constitution are updated with all of the trades.

Reminder: the Seattle vs. Oakland games are coming up! Get your Mariners and A's in!

221

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 15:18

Grid is fixed.

222

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 22:37

Trade Announcement

Greggo receives:
- 8.17
- 9.12
- 9.17
- 10.17
- 2020 BH 10th
- 2020 BH 8th

BH receives:
- 12.4
- 14.6
- 2020 Greggo 8th
- 2020 Greggo 6th
(don't need the 2 other picks, due to Verdugo and Kikuchi)

223

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 18, 2019, 22:44

Confirm

224

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 12:20

222: Guys - does Greggo own 12.04?? I don't think he does.

225

blue hen
ID: 5511361810
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 13:33

Species is right, of course. Greggo said "last two picks" and I mis-read the grid from my phone. Surprise. We're going to rework this a bit and repost.

226

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 15:12

I’m looking to trade 14.12 and 12.15 for better picks. If you have extra picks or want to trade down. Send me an offer.

227

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 17:18

Also still trying to trade up

228

GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 17:53

Trade Announcement
This shows that I acquired the 10.5. It is not reflected in our grid. Please correct. Trying to use the pick to trade up in the draft. Thank you.
Greggo receives
Charlie Morton, SP, TB
S 10.05
2020 s Round 13

Thumper receives
S 7.12
2020 s round 2

229

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 17:58

Re: 228
Please leat me know when processed so I can make the trade and not hold the draft up.

230

ttucowboy
ID: 545112110
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 18:08

I'm calling up Christin Stewart and forfeiting pick 12.09. With the acquisition of Robbie Ray, I'm also forfeiting pick 12.14. Please skip me when these picks come up in the draft.

231

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 18:38

GreggoRomans trade 2019 10.5,14.6, and 2020 7th to Blue Hen
For
Hen's 2019 8.17, 9.12 and 2020 11th

232

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 18:55

Confirm

233

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 18:56

Done in Draftime. Fire away!

234

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 11:49

My draftime shows 14.12 but the grid above shows 14.05. Not sure which one is correct.

235

beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 11:52

Bh trades
9.17
2020 14th rounder

Bmd trades
2020 9th rounder
14.05 or 14.12, depending on if draftime or grid above is correct. Bh is forfeiting it so no worries either way.

236

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 11:55

Confirmed

237

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 11:56

234/235: lets use Draftime.

238

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 12:18

So, we had an issue just now with Tree's 9.07. Tree now has 23 players so his draft is over. He does, however, have the opportunity to trade it. But, he did not announce a trade before his pick was up.......so I skipped the pick as per standard operating procedure.

This section of the rules covers this issue:

Supplemental Draft, FA Pickups and Waivers:
There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours. (Subject to change). You may not exceed 23 players. You may not drop a player (or add a non-drafted player if you are short) until waivers have been turned on. You may trade for extra picks and you may trade your excess picks as long as it is done before the proceeding pick has been made.

slizz hit me up saying he had a trade for Tree's 9.17, so I went in to override the skipped pick. However, during this entire period of discussion, Nerfherders made the next (proceeding) pick.......this, by rule, cancels Tree's ability to trade the pick.

In order to ensure that the player "drafted" by Tree (for slizz) in this spot would remain in the draft, I just inserted Nolan Jones (a prospect on Thumper's squad) into that spot.

I am now compiling a list of what picks I show as going to be forfeited once they come up. Technically they can still be traded until that point.

239

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 12:24

By my count, the following teams have excess players - be it by post-keeper trade or by prospect call-up - and will currently forfeit the following picks:

Species (Robles, Senzel, Bradley): 14.09, 14.13, 14.19
bmd (Vlad): 14.15
Tree (Urias, Tucker, Calhoun): 9.07, 10.07, 11.07
blue hen (Verdugo, Kikuchi, Price): 13.17, 14.06, 14.12
youngroman (Wright): 13.11
mjd (Whitley, Soroka): 11.19, 12.02
Fosten (Meadows, Gohara, Allard): 14.08, 14.10, 14.14
WG (Adames, Hays): 14.02, 14.04
Khahan (Giles): 13.10
Meatwads (Morton): 14.18
ttucowboy (Stewart, Ray): 12.09, 12.14

Please audit for accuracy.

240

Tree
ID: 217372011
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 12:45

I'd like to discuss unwritten rule 69.420, which pertains to grammatical errors in written rules, which nulls the written rule and allows it to be overridden.

Right? :)

241

mjd
ID: 10221911
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 12:52

I need 11.19 to balance out from the Ray trade.

242

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 12:54

241: Yes, you are right. Thank you:

mjd (Whitley, Soroka - but traded Ray away): 12.02

243

GO
ID: 14143919
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 14:13

Nolan Jones is a prospect.... 46.10

244

Tree
ID: 217372011
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 14:29

Lol

245

Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 15:36

The timing of all of that is odd. I'm guessing Tree was sitting on his pick for 43 minutes until it was skipped? Knowing my next pick was on auto-queue, it was going to make the 'proceeding pick' immediately once it was skipped.

246

Slizz
ID: 29614321
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 15:42

Nerf - it’s self inflicted on my end.

I sent a message to Species about how Tree has no picks left and then a lightbulb went off “oh maybe I can trade for the pick”...and by the time I got clarification that I could and Tree accepted the deal, it was already skipped in draftime.

Had I made the deal prior to notifying them...it doesn’t get skipped.

247

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 17:09

I have an extra pick I believe. Anyone want 12.04 + 12.07 for a 10 or early 11?

248

mjd
ID: 10221911
Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 22:23

Buyers remorse sale.

Josh Riddick cheap

249

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 09:24

Trade Announcement

WG receives
12.04
12.07

Thumper receives
11.13

250

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 13:21

Confirmed

251

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 16:43

Confirmed

252

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 16:46

Trade

WG gets Tree’s 2019 s11.06 and 11.07, and 2020 last s
Tree gets WG’s 2019 last 2 s and 2020 s11

253

Tree
ID: 217372011
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 16:49

Confirmed.

254

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 17:49

So, for clarity's sake......

I have been away on business until just now. So, I was not around to skip Tree's pick. When my business duties ended, WG had noted that he had a trade for Tree's picks. Since Tree hadn't timed out, I felt it was OK to allow the trade.

Another commissioner on Draftime could have skipped them, but didn't. So I believe the trade to be kosher.

However, there are NO promises that we will let to-be-skipped picks sit for nearly 3 hours before acting on them. This is not precedence. These picks should be skipped IMMEDIATELY in the future. If you want to trade your to-be-skipped picks, do it NOW.

I would ask the other Draftime Admins (Guru, blue hen, Tosh), if their time and attention permits to please use Admin authorities to skip picks as soon as they come up:

Species (Robles, Senzel, Bradley): 14.09, 14.13, 14.19
bmd (Vlad): 14.15
Tree (Urias, Tucker, Calhoun): 14.02, 14.04
blue hen (Verdugo, Kikuchi, Price): 13.17, 14.06, 14.12
youngroman (Wright): 13.11
mjd (Whitley, Soroka - but traded Ray away): 12.02
Fosten (Meadows, Gohara, Allard): 14.08, 14.10, 14.14
WG (Adames, Hays): 13.19, 14.01
Khahan (Giles): 13.10
Meatwads (Morton): 14.18
ttucowboy (Stewart, Ray): 12.09, 12.14

I believe this list is up to date. Please correct me if this list is inaccurate. Thanks.

256

mjd
ID: 10221911
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 22:27

I'm at 23 players. Please skip 12.02.

257

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 22:37

I'm also at 23 players so you can skip 12.10 (13.10 is listed for me as being skipped but I traded that way, so 12.10 goes bye bye)

259

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 12:56

The above post shows WG with no pick 13.19 or 14.01. Yet he drafted players in those slots.

I'm guessing they need to be returned to the player pool.

260

youngroman
ID: 029239
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 13:09

according to my records these are the remaining picks:
14.07 Lyman
14.11 Guru
14.16 Tosh
14.17 Lyman
14.18 Meatwads
14.20 Guru

Montas and Trumbo should be returned to the FA pool in draftime. my pick of Ichiro is a fill-in to allow GO to immediately pick again. since Ichiro retired I guess there was no harm done.

261

Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 13:21

259: Not necessarily. After taking way too much time and attention from my profession in setting up and managing the early draft.....I have paid for that since midweek this week with duties that have demanded my attention. As such, I have concentrated my attention on maintaining the Draftime draft picks and Constitution......at the expense of perhaps missing a few of the trades in the draft grid.

I do apologize for that....but quite simply it is quite a formidable task. I miss stuff.

I believe Draftime to have been accurate and hope I got everything in.

262

Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 14:05

260: I think Montas is Ok. That brought WG to 23 players.

I did replace Trumbo with a scrub. He is back in the pool.

263

Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 16:47

G20 colleagues:

We are moments from completing the Supplemental Draft. I thank you all for your attention and diligence. Great job.

PLEASE NOTE: we are going to be doing a manual waivers process that was discussed in our offseason thread. As such, NO PICKUPS ARE ALLOWED once the Supplemental Draft picks are picked up.

I am predisposed the rest of today, so I will not be able to launch the manual process until tomorrow. Please be patient and enjoy the short break.

Please raise any questions or concerns. Thanks.

264

darkside
ID: 81492120
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 20:33

Thanks for keeping the league going, Species. I'm very glad I don't have to do all the work you do. I appreciate it!

Good draft, all.

265

Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 20:36

Can someone direct me to the post # for the maual waivers explanation in the offseason thread. I am a couple of slots away from a full roster. Also, when can we put players on DL and fill their slots from FA pool?

266

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 21:59

Manual waivers: Post 315 of the offseason thread.

You can't put players on DL (remember, keepers only) until they are designated on ESPN as being on the injured list.

267

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 22:54

As a confirmation ... The DL is for only the 9 keepers. Not 10th keepers from the prospect list. Correct?

268

slizz
ID: 532371213
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 23:16

That is correct. Only the pool of 180 to keep it simple.

269

slizz
ID: 532371213
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 23:17

kind of bummed that all my drafts are over...

270

Khahan
ID: 367431722
Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 23:19

Looks like I get to test out the new DL for keepers. Anybody have a 2nd baseman to trade? I'm taking offers.

Just wish they would actually list guys on the IL now instead of waiting.

271

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 12:00

As we close out the preseason thread, I am posting the 2019 supplemental draft trades for posterity:

These managers have had their 2019 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-17 Thumper receives WG's 1st (Desmond + Harvey / B. Rodgers)
3-25-17 Meatwads receives WG's 7th for his 11th (2017 pick swap)
3-30-17 bmd receives Species' 7th and 9th for his 10th and 11th (2017 pick swaps)
5-21-17 Thumper receives WG's 8th for his 14th (Triggs, Wheeler / Altherr)
2-08-18 Species receives Meatwads' 4th for his 12th (Gordon/Cruz/E5)
2-09-18 GO receives slizz' 4th for his last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
2-09-18 GO receives Thumpers 3rd for his second to last pick (Acuna/Rodgers/Moncada/Quintana/Hill/picks)
3-07-18 Thumper receives Species' 5th for his 9th (Godley)
3-08-18 slizz receives bmd's 3rd for his 14th (W. Davis)
3-15-18 Great One receives Meatwads' 2nd and 5th for his 7th and last (2018 Supplemental)
3-16-18 Great One receives Fosten's 4th for his 10th (Matz)
3-16-18 mjd gets WG's 4th for his 14th (Winker, 2018 picks)
3-20-18 Fosten gets WG's 12th for his 14th (2018 pick)
4-12-18 Thumper receives his own 3rd back (via GO) for his 10th (Morrow)
4-15-18 Species receives WG's 3rd for his 8th (H. Ramirez)
4-16-18 Judy receives WG's 6th for her 7th (Peraza / Kennedy)
4-23-18 slizz receives Thumper's 6th for his 10th (O'Neill)
4-28-18 bmd receives slizz' 6th for his 8th (Hicks)
4-29-18 mjd receives slizz' 7th for his 11th (Gibson)
5-11-18 bmd receives blue hen's 2nd for his 13th (Boxberger)
5-25-18 darkside receives Tree's 8th for his 11th (Grandal / Andujar)
6-10-18 Species receives slizz' best 3rd for his 6th (Kemp)
6-18-18 Species receives WG's 5th for Thumper's 9th (via Species) (S. Wright, Solarte)
7-03-18 slizz receives Meatwads' 1st (Hand/Price/Morton)
7-28-18 Khahan receives GO's 3rd for his 13th (Keuchel)
8-04-18 darkside receives blue hen's 11th for his 14th (Herrera/Gsellman)
8-05-18 Fosten receives Meatwads' 9th for his last (Hamilton / Hand)
8-08-18 darkside receives Guru's 5th for his 9th (S. Greene)
8-10-18 WG receives blue hen's 3rd for his 10th (Peraza)
8-15-18 Judy receives WG's best 11th for her last (Lynn / Barraclough)
8-20-18 youngroman receives Guru's 11th for his 14th (E. Jackson)
8-20-18 mjd receives WG's 11th for his 14th (Chacin)
8-25-18 Fosten receives ttucowboy's 7th for his 12th (B. Parker)
11-7-18 Khahan receives 3.09 from Fosten for his 14.10 (P-pick)
11-8-18 Thumper receives 2.09 and 6.09 from Fosten for his 4.04 and 5.13 (Keller)
11-13-18 Tree receives Lyman's 6.03 for his 14.07 (Winker)
11-16-18 Nerfherders receives Lyman's 9.03 for his 12.08 (Brinson)
11-18-18 darkside receives Lyman's 4.03 for his 13.06 (Voit)
11-18-18 Fosten receives Lyman's 1.01 and 10.03 for his 11.09 and 12.19 (Dahl, Chavis)
11-19-18 Lyman receives Meatwads' 6.18 for his 11.03 (Segura/Castillo)
11-27-18 Greggo receives Lyman's 5.03 for his 12.01 (G. Sanchez)
11-28-18 Species receives Lyman's 2.03 for his 11.15 (Conforto/Chapman/Villar/Franco/Rosario)
11-30-18 Thumper receives Greggo's 1.03 for his 13.04 (Shaw, P-picks)
12-3-18 Greggo receives Meatwads' 7.12, 7.18 and 7.19 for his 11.01, 11.19 and 13.01 (Hicks, Morton, P-pick)
12-3-18 Fosten receives Nerfherders' 6.08, 13.08 and 14.08 for his 7.09, 8.09 and 10.09 (Gohara, Allard)
12-31-18 Tree receives Thumper's 5.04 for his 13.07 (Taillon / Tucker)
1-18-19 Thumper receives Meatwads’ 3.18 (Judge/Gallo/etc)
1-18-19 Tree receives Thumper’s 1.19 (Judge/Gallo/etc)
1-24-19 Species receives Nerfherders’ 3.08 for his 4.13 (Scherzer / Tanaka + Chapman + Hiura)
1-29-19 Greggo receives Lyman’s 6.18 for his 13.14
2-01-19 darkside receives Fosten’s 10.12 for his 12.06 (Odor / Ingelsias)
2-01-19 ttucowboy receives Fosten’s 5.09 and 10.03 for his 13.14 and 14.14 (Allen/p-pick)
2-05-19 blue hen receives Lyman’s 3.03 for his 14.17 (Archer)
2-07-19 Thumper receives Greggo’s 2.01 for his 6.09 (Bieber/Paddack etc)
2-22-19 Tree receives 1.03 and 1.04 from Thumper for 5.07 and 12.07 (Taillon / Bichette)
3-03-19 blue hen receives Greggo’s 5.01 for his 14.06 (Y. Alvarez / Price)
3-04-19 Fosten receives mjd’s 1.02 for his 1.09 (Odor, ‘20 p pick)
3-05-19 Greggo receives mjd’s 6.02 for his 10.01 (Enciarte)
3-05-19 Khahan receives Greggo’s 6.18 for his 8.10 (T. White)
3-08-19 bmd receives Species’ 4.18 for his 9.15 (W. Davis)
3-08-19 Thumper receives Greggo’s 7.12 for his 10.05 (Morton, ‘20 pick)
3-10-19 Lyman receives Greggo’s 6.19 for his 8.03 (A. Bradley)
3-10-19 darkside receives WG’s 7.01 for his 10.12 (Hays)
3-13-19 Guru receives Thumper’s 3.18 for his 3.20 (McKenzie, P-pick)
3-15-19 Thumper receives GO’s 1.12 and 5.12 for his 2.09 and 3.20 (2020 S-pick)
3-15-19 Species receives GO’s 2.18 and 5.18 for his 3.13 and 3.19
3-15-19 Thumper receives GO’s 3.13 and 6.12 for his 8.19 and 13.12 (2020 S-pick)
3-16-19 Great One receives blue hen’s 4.17 and 6.17 for his 9.12 (DeShields)
3-17-19 WG receives Species’ 10.15 and 11.13 for his 14.09 and 14.19 (2020 s-pick)
3-18-19 Great One receives Thumper’s 7.12 and 13.07 for his 8.19 and 11.12
3-19-19 Greggo receives blue hen’s 8.17 and 9.12 for his 10.05 and 14.06 (2020 s-pick)
3-20-19 bmd receives blue hen’s 9.17 for his 14.12 (2020 s-pick)
3-21-19 WG receives 12.04 and 12.07 from Thumper for his 11.13
3-21-19 WG receives Tree’s 11.06 and 11.07 for his 14.04 and 14.02 (2020 s-pick)

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