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| Posted by: Species
- SuperDude [07724916] Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 17:30
Welcome to Gurupie 20's 18th season!
Keepers are due in two weeks:
- Keepers due Monday March 9th, Noon ET
- Prospect keepers due Tuesday March 10th, Noon ET
- Prospect draft starts Wednesday March 11th, Noon ET
- Supplemental draft opens Saturday March 14th*
- Supplemental draft clock starts Sunday March 15th, Noon ET*
*I am going to roll with the above schedule. However, given the 2 additional rounds in the prospect draft, we may have to adjust the start of the Supplemental Draft to accommodate.
I am assigning each and every manager the task of auditing there own Supplemental and Prospect picks. I diligently track things but I am doing the work of the entire league (and a very active league at that) and I have oversights and make mistakes. I do not have the capacity to audit 2 years of trades for 20 teams.
As such, I am tasking each and every manager to audit their own picks, and to do so by Monday March 3rd, 12:00pm ET. Things are going to get hot-and-heavy after that and I just want to avoid any last minute hiccups with picks and pick order. I am going to have to enter in the entire draft into Draftime round by round so I want it accurate the first time. Each manager doing it for their own set of picks will be more efficient than me trying to do it for all 20.
We have 3 new managers who will probably have a lot of questions. Please do not be shy, in particular regarding the prospect draft, '10th keeper' rules and keeper restrictions. It is too important for you not to be completely fluent in the nuances so speak up publicly or privately.
The Champ is here and ready to defend the title! Come knock me off! |
| | | 1 | Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 19:50
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I have a question about the prospect draft.
I have traded my 2nd and 3rd prospect picks. I have 2 prospects on my roster.
If I 10th or release one, the other would be my first pick, and I'd get 4th and 5th round picks. Is this correct?
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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 20:18
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1: You have it backwards. For each prospect you keep, you forfeit your worst pick - whether yours or an acquired pick. In your case, if you 10th keeper Brendan McKay and keep O'Neill, you would forfeit your 5th round pick and have your 1st and 4th picks available to use as picks or trade bait.
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| | | 3 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 22:16
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As the season approaches, it's time to ramp up the activity before keepers are due. I've taken a relatively passive approach to the offseason thus far, but now it's time to get proactive. A lot of you have other drafts to worry about and it's hard enough doing the research on your own players sometimes. So I went out and found a season outlook for a lot of my players, so you can all read about them in one place at your own leisure. None of the words are my own and I didn't edit out any negative comments.
In general, I'm still looking at big names as possible keeper upgrades, or shifting around talent to different positions and/or skill sets. If and when I determine deals like that are no longer an option, I'll shift my focus to trading individual players for picks. As a lot of you probably know, I value prospect picks. If I were to take a supplemental pick upgrade, it would be last minute. If you see anyone listed here that interests you on any level, get in touch with me and we'll see if we can make something work. Some of these players are keepers for me, so this isn't just a list of leftovers. Anyone not listed here is either unavailable, or I don't think they have enough value to warrant a season outlook. I look forward to hearing from you guys.
Aaron Judge, OF, NYY, Age 27
Took the league by storm in 2017 blasting 52 homers en route to AL Rookie of the Year honors. Injuries have limited Judge over the last two seasons, he played just 112 games in 2018 and 102 games last year while hitting just 27 homers each season. When healthy, Judge is one of the best hitters in the game, pure and simple. His average exit velocity of 95.1 MPH since 2017 is by far the best in the Majors in that span. He was second in the Majors last season with a 57.1 percent hard-hit rate and he was sixth in barrel rate. When he’s not blistering baseballs, Judge is usually walking or striking out. His 14.3 percent walk rate was top-15 in baseball but he also strikes out a ton with a 31.5 K% thanks to his massive strike zone. Judge is a large man, at 6 feet 7 inches he may always be slightly more injury-prone unless he becomes a full-time DH, which is unlikely given how good Judge is defensively. If Judge were guaranteed a full season he’d be an easy first-rounder. He should produce 200 runs-plus-RBI and is one of few players with 50 homer upside. His ADP in the late twenties is a reasonable price to pay for someone with Judge’s fantasy ceiling.
Yoan Moncada, 3B, CHW, Age 24
After years of anticipation, Yoan Moncada finally broke out for a terrific campaign by setting new personal bests across the board with 25 HR, 83 R, 79 RBI, and a .315/.367/.548 slash line in 132 games. The 24-year-old also chipped in with a double-digit SB total (10) while dropping his K-rate by nearly 6% from 2018. Moncada’s 27.5% K% was still on the high side, but his aggressiveness early in the count helped him progress into a superior hitter. He swung at 30.1% of first pitches, which was nearly 6% higher than the year previous, and hit .417 with three dingers off this offering. Moncada also came into the season struggling to hit off-speed pitches with a .175 BA and three homers before improving tremendously last year with a .327 BA and seven big flies. With these types of developments in his second full season in the bigs, Moncada appears to be unlocking the door to his highly touted potential. Planted into the meat and potatoes of the improving White Sox lineup, the switch-hitter still has room for growth in his counting stats and makes an alluring choice at an ADP of 68.
Jose Altuve, 2B, HOU, Age 29
Had a 2019 filled with ups and downs. He played in a career-low 124 games due to a hamstring issue in the middle of the season. He also hit under .300 for the first time since 2013 and had his worst OBP (.353) since 2013. He failed to reach double-digit steals for the first time in his career as he only managed a measly six, but this can easily be attributed to the hamstring issue. He did, however, improve on his power numbers as he hit a career-high 31 home runs and finished with a career-best .550 SLG. The question of what we should expect in 2020 likely comes down to health. If healthy, he should be a no-doubt top-flight second baseman that will provide you with a plethora of counting stats, including some steals once again. He hits in the heart of a ridiculous lineup that finished third in all of baseball in runs scored in 2019. He has a current ADP of 34 and is being taken as the number two second baseman behind Jonathan Villar. Assuming all is fine with his health, you should have no reservations drafting him here, but it may be wise to temper expectations as far as steals are concerned. He should still produce in this category, but the days of 30-plus steals are likely a thing of the past.
Javier Baez, SS, CHC, Age 27
Slightly regressed in 2019 after finishing second in NL MVP voting in 2018. That being said, he still finished with a solid .281/.316/.531 with 29 HR, 85 RBI, 89 R, and 11 SB. He certainly provides value in several categories and also finds himself hitting in the middle of a lineup that finished fifth in the NL in runs scored. His advanced metrics were solid in 2019 as he finished with a 12.7% barrel percent, 91.0 mph exit velocity, and .270 xBA. The latter two were career highs, which means we could easily see the power numbers tick back up in 2020. His strikeout numbers were still high as he ranked 11th in the NL with 156, which equated to a 26.7% K rate. This is not a big issue, however, considering his counting stats did not appear to suffer too much from the strikeouts. He is currently being drafted with an ADP of 33 as the fifth shortstop off the board. He is certainly worth being drafted here and may even have more value than similar players in this range due to him being eligible at multiple positions.
Roberto Osuna, RP, HOU, Age 25
Is coming off a 38-save season with a 2.63 ERA and 73 strikeouts in 66 innings. The 38 saves were second-best in baseball and tops in the AL. That makes him a top-tier closer option heading into the 2020 season. Not only did the former-Toronto reliever impress in the traditional fantasy statistics, but his advanced numbers also back up his sterling season. He had a SIERA of 3.18 and a FIP of 3.21, which were both top-16 among relievers that pitched at least 60 innings last season. Osuna also ranked tied for the fourth-lowest wOBA (.237) and 14th in xwOBA (.257) among all pitchers that saw at least 250 PA. The right-handed pitcher currently has an ADP sitting at 91 and is the fourth true reliever taken off the board behind Josh Hader, Kirby Yates, and Aroldis Chapman. Osuna arguably has the highest ceiling of those four with his combination of health (at least 60 IP in every season except his 2018 suspension) and save opportunities (Astros have finished top-three in save opportunities every season since 2017). Closers are not valued like they used to be this draft season, and the chance to take advantage of this trend and draft Roberto Osuna is one a smart fantasy baseball manager should consider.
Brad Hand, RP, CLE, Age 29
Proved to be a reliable option in 2019. The 29-year-old converted 34 of 39 save opportunities with a 3.30 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, and 34.7% strikeout rate over 57 ⅓ innings pitched. His 34 saves were tied for fifth most in baseball and his strikeout rate was in the 95th percentile. Digging deeper, Hand’s signature slider was as good as ever, generating a ton of horizontal movement (15.8 inches, 78% above league average), which led to a strong 17.6% swinging-strike rate. His fastball, on the other hand, dropped in velocity from 93.8 MPH to 92.7 MPH. Consequently, he allowed a .270 batting average against compared to just .203 in 2018. Further, Hand’s hard-hit rate jumped from 28.8% to 37.5%, while his average launch angle increased from 11 degrees to 20.2 degrees. These signs are worrisome, but his 2.93 SIERA seems to indicate that his batted-ball profile is ok. Overall, we know that closers can change value very quickly in fantasy baseball, but Hand has averaged 29 saves over each of his last three seasons and seemingly has strong job security on a competitive team. Hand is currently being drafted around pick 120 as the sixth reliever taken. His relative position as sixth reliever seems like fair value, although anywhere between pick 100 and pick 120 overall seems reasonable, depending on how each particular draft plays out.
J.D. Davis, 3B/OF, NYM, Age 26
currently slotted as the starting left fielder for the Mets, but is still capable of handling the hot corner if needed. He'll qualify for dual positional eligibility in most formats and can realistically hit anywhere in the team's batting order. Davis will likely slide into the fifth spot most of the time, which will help his cause in the RBI column, especially if he can keep the power stroke that he had over the final two months of last season. The ability that Davis has to hit any pitch, paired with the fact that his average didn't falter after a late-season change to his swing, bodes well for his bat to sustain effective results into next year. Will undoubtedly grow on his 453 plate appearances from last season, and with more consistent playing time, his numbers hold appealing potential. A 25-homer hitter who hits around .300 is becoming scarce in this day and age of baseball, and that's a realistic possibility for this bat in 2020. If you require a batting average contributor for one of your outfield spots or miss the boat on a top-tier third baseman, Davis is an attractive consolation prize at his 175.6 ADP.
Carlos Martinez, RP, STL, Age 28
returned from a shoulder injury in 2019 and spent the entire year in the bullpen, finishing as the team's closer after Jordan Hicks tore his UCL in late June. Martinez was effective in the role, locking down 24 saves and four wins while compiling a 3.17 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, and 17.5% K-BB% in 48.1 IP. However, now that he's a full year removed from injury, the veteran will attempt to begin 2020 back in the rotation. Due to injuries, Martinez hasn't been a full-time starter since 2017, when he went 12-11 with a 3.64 ERA and 1.22 WHIP while notching 217 strikeouts in 205 innings. The right-hander has always been a good source of strikeouts, with a career 23.4 K% and above-average movement on most of his offerings. However, Martinez has also always been a risky option. Despite seeming like he's been in the league forever, he's actually only had three seasons as a full-time starting pitcher (2015-17) and while two of the three of those years were dynamic, injuries may have robbed him of some of his upside. His Whiff% and Chase% are slightly above league average and his 10.6% MLB career SwStr% is solid but not elite. Yet, one interesting development from last year is that Martinez essentially scrapped his cutter, which had a negative pVAL, and increased the use of his changeup, which had a 3.6 pVAL and created a .111 BAA and a 37.9 Whiff%. If Martinez is able to pair that with his slider, which had an 8 pVAL and 40.8 Whiff%, he could survive his inconsistent fastball. Banking on a full season from him is always going to be risky, but he's being forgotten about and no projection systems have him starting even 50% of his appearances this year. If Martinez starts, he will likely finish with an ERA around 3.5, a WHIP near 1.25 and a nine K/9. That sounds like close to Madison Bumgarner or Eduardo Rodriguez territory, yet Martinez has an ADP of 187, while Bumgarner is going 120 and Rodriguez is going 139. If Martinez is locked into the starting job coming out of spring, I'd rather wait the 50+ picks and take the chance on his upside.
Hansel Robles, RP, LAA, Age 29
Had a terrific 2019 campaign in his first season as a full-time closer. He converted 23 of his 27 opportunities while sporting a 2.48 ERA and 1.02 WHIP through 72.2 frames of work. The right-hander established a career-best 5.7% BB% while his 26.5% K-rate helped him earn his highest K-rate since he broke into the majors in 2015. Robles was able to achieve this by adding a changeup to his arsenal that complemented his 97.2 MPH fastball tremendously. This off-speed delivery collected an elite 36.0% Whiff% and .175 batting average against with no homers allowed thanks to a stellar 70.5% ground ball rate. Robles should keep strong ratios with this elusive changeup in his back pocket as he returns to the ninth-inning role for an improving Angels ball club in 2020. Coming off a disappointing 72-win season, a 30-save campaign also isn't out of the question with the team expected to win more in the upcoming season. Robles doesn't have the ceiling of a top-five closer, but his 172 ADP carries plenty of potential value as the 18th reliever off the board as he enters his contract year.
Jean Segura, SS, PHI, Age 29
Underachieved for his standards in his first season with the Philadelphia Phillies in 2019. He slashed .280/.323/.420 with 12 HR, 79 R, 60 RBI, and 10 stolen bases as some minor injuries limited him to 144 games. Segura disappointed the most on the base paths, but he battled nagging heel and shin injuries in July which could be a leading factor to his career-low 12 SB attempts. While his batting average reached a four-year low, it was a respectable number nonetheless, and his swing didn't appear to change enough to warrant the results. His 23.9% line drive rate, 32.7% Hard Hit%, and 88.0 MPH Exit Velocity all came in above his lifetime averages, but yet his .302 BABIP lagged his beginning of the season .320 career mark. With the addition of Didi Gregorius, Segura will likely move over to second base, but he should remain the primary two-hole hitter for the club. We can't rely on a high home run output, but he'll provide a crisp batting average, sturdy run total, and double-digit thefts, which makes his 184.2 ADP appealing if you miss out on the elite players at the middle infield positions.
Archie Bradley, RP, ARI, Age 27
Emerged as the Diamondbacks’ new closer, but the season contained just as much trouble as it did success. For the first three months, Bradley slogged through 38 innings with a 5.21 ERA and a 1.76 WHIP. After making a series of adjustments, the 27-year-old completed the final three months with a 1.60 ERA and a 1.07 WHIP. The underlying splits don’t look as drastic as the two halves, but Bradley’s results speak for themselves. During those final three months delivered a 27.2 strikeout rate and a .186 BAA. Bradley does offer shutdown potential, but the Diamondbacks also have some potential though uninspiring alternatives at closer. For now, he enters as the established closer whose team expects him to hold that job for the coming years. The Diamondbacks intend to compete, so it’s unlikely Bradley will be traded midseason. Fantasy managers would prefer to see more swing-and-miss ability as well as fewer walks; during 2019, Bradley posted a mediocre 16.9% K-BB. However, Bradley should be cheaper than many mid-tier closers, so he’s a fine option later in the draft. Bradley’s current ADP is 178, which is bit aggressive compared to players like Brandon Workman (176), Jean Segura (181), and Luke Weaver (189). For 2020, Bradley will likely offer a season that looks similar to his 2019 numbers but with more opportunities to close out games: 25 S, 3.50 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, and 90 Ks.
Will Smith, RP, ATL, Age 30
Had another excellent season out of the bullpen in 2019, successfully converting 34 of 38 save opportunities in his first full season as the closer for the Giants. Digging beneath the surface of Smith's numbers reveals two very intriguing statistics: a career-best 37.4 K% and a career-worst 20.4 HR/FB%. These performance extremes were not simply a reflection of league trends, but instead can be understood by recognizing a drastic change in his pitch-mix from 2018 to 2019. By increasing the use of his devastating slider from 36% to 43.6% and cutting his curveball usage from 16.9% to a career-low 7.8%, Smith appears to have become harder to hit but easier to predict. All that said, there is no good reason to think that Smith will be anything other than excellent in Atlanta in 2020. The only real question is whether or not he will get enough save chances to make drafting him at his current ADP of ~134 a smart move. Unfortunately, the only thing we can say with certainty is that the surplus of capable arms in the Atlanta bullpen will undoubtedly lead to more favorable matchups for Smith this season. This should be great for Smith's HR/FB%, but it could also hack into his save opportunities, making it hard to justify taking him in the top 150 of your draft. Just don't forget about him entirely as he is the best reliever in the Atlanta bullpen and talent tends to win out in the end, especially in high-leverage situations.
Jose Leclerc, RP, TEX, Age 26
After a dominant 2018 campaign, fell back to earth for the Texas Rangers in 2019 with 14 saves, a 4.33 ERA, 1.33 WHIP, and 100 strikeouts in 68.2 IP. Leclerc was locked into the team’s closing role at the start of the year, but inconsistencies in April led to two blown saves and an 8.44 ERA by months end, forcing the Rangers to find a different ninth-inning option. Leclerc lost effectiveness with his slider as his whiff-rate on the pitch fell over 15% to 41.1%, still a strong number, but a new lifetime low. Walks also burdened the right-hander as a troublesome 13.1% BB% placed him in the bottom-20 among all qualified relievers. Since the club dealt away several arms at the 2019 trade deadline, Leclerc regained the closing job in August and appears as the favored option to begin in the role for 2020. His high K-rate plays well in fantasy, but his track record suggests his ratios will stay closer to the 2019 version of himself than the 2018 one. Leclerc can return value at his 171 ADP, but heed caution that his closing job could end up as a game of hot potato.
Jake Odorizzi, SP, MIN, Age 29
Put together a solid 2019 campaign, going 15-7 with a 3.51 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, and 27.1% strikeout rate over 159 IP. The most impressive metric was Odorizzi’s jump in strikeout rate compared to a 22.8% career mark. This could be attributed to a bump in velocity on two of his three fastballs; Odorizzi’s four-seam fastball averaged 92.9 MPH compared to 91.1 MPH in 2018 and his split-finger fastball averaged 85.2 MPH compared to 84.2 MPH in 2018. Consequently, his swinging-strike rates on the pitches were both a good deal above his career averages (14.9% vs 10.5% for four-seamer, 13.6% vs 12.9% for split-finger). However, 91.5% of Odorizzi’s pitches were fastballs in 2019, so it would not be surprising to see some negative regression in his strikeout rate in 2020. Further, his batted-ball profile was about league average in 2019, but his 4.14 SIERA suggests that he got a bit lucky given his ERA. Overall, even if Odorizzi regresses towards his career numbers of a 3.88 ERA and 22.8% strikeout rate, he represents a decent back-end fantasy option with one of baseball’s strongest offenses backing him. Odorizzi is currently being drafted at about pick 185 overall or pitcher 70. This seems like decent value for him, although, given potential regression, somewhere closer to pick 200 would be a safer target draft spot.
Ian Kennedy, RP, KC, Age 32
Was a career starting pitcher until he moved to the bullpen in 2019. The change occurred due to a rough 2018 where he had a 4.66 ERA and a 4.64 xFIP while also having a lower than normal 20.3% strikeout rate. Kennedy was not just moved to the bullpen, but more importantly, he moved into the closer’s role. As the Royals closer, Kennedy made a change to his pitch mix. He increased his four-seam usage from 58.8% to 67.8% and his cutter usage from 11.6% to 15.2% while nearly ditching his changeup from 10.2% to 1.7%. The fastball and cutter velocities also increased. All these changes led to an outstanding 27.4% K rate, 30 saves (only four blown saves) and a nice 3.41 ERA. Kennedy enters the 2020 season as the closer for the Royals, which is great but there is still a slight concern. The Royals will likely try and shop him at the trade deadline as 2020 is the last year on Kennedy’s contract in which he will be making $16.5 million. If Kennedy were to lock-in as the closer for the entire season, then Kennedy at ADP 181 and the 20th reliever off the board is a steal. For now, there needs to be some concern, but I will gladly enjoy Kennedy and his upside at his draft price.
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ID: 206491223
Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 23:05
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Not sure if we're supposed to confirm or not, but I can confirm that my Prospect and Supplemental picks currently listed in the Grids are correct.
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| | | 5 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 08:54
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I'm not going to let the discussion on saves and holds die.
I think there is enough of an interest to continue this discussion to combine S+H for one to two seasons from now.
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| | | 6 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 19:44
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
MJD RECEIVES
Gio Urshela
Supp pick 10.02
LYMAN RECEIVES
Supp pick 6.05
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| | | 7 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 19:47
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Confirmed
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| | | 8 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 07:45
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6 is approved, congrats
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| | | 9 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 11:18
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
NORFOLK NEPTUNES RECEIVES
Dansby Swanson
Supp Pick 11.02
LYMAN RECEIVES
Supp Pick 4.11
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| | | 10 | Matt G
ID: 5101299
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 11:22
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Post #9, confirmed
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| | | 11 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 20:04
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Is anyone still adding keepers? Young/old/position?
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| | | 12 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 20:33
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Trade Announcement
Darkside receives
S 3.18
Thumqer receives
Max Fried, SP, ATL
S 14.14
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| | | 13 | darkside
ID: 12132620
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:03
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Confirmed
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| | | 14 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:47
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Ryan McMahon still available. Has position eligibility at 2b and 3b. Should gain 1B too at some point.
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| | | 15 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 21:49
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Multiple players on my team available for pick upgrades.
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| | | 16 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 12:20
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Still looking for 1st round supplemental picks. Will trade a combo of
- closer’s Or other MLB guys
- good supplemental picks
- p picks. Prospect pool will be thinned out for next year’s draft since we’re expanding to 5 rounds now
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| | | 17 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 12:24
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12 approved, congrats.
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| | | 18 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 20:35
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Trade Announcement
mjd receives:
Brad Hand, RP, CLE
S 8.19
Meatwads receives:
Adam Wainright, SP, STL
P 3.05
S 13.05
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| | | 19 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 20:38
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confirmed
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| | | 20 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 23:10
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Looking for a deal similar to the Hand one above, for Ken Giles. If you want one if the more stable closer options out there, here’s your chance.
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Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 10:29
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Most people are probably largely done trading but in the event anyone sees value in one of the below, let me know:
Greinke + Lynn for SP
Greinke + Brantley for hitter
Lynn + Brantley for hitter
Greinke, Lynn or Brantley for something else
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| | | 22 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 14:37
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18 is approved, congrats guys
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| | | 23 | Species
ID: 351051122
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 13:27
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ONE WEEK TO GO BEFORE KEEPERS ARE DUE!!
The draft order is up to date in Draftime. All grids up to date. The anticipation is killing me. Best of luck to all teams.
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| | | 24 | GO
ID: 14143919
Mon, Mar 02, 2020, 13:38
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This was approved...
Greggo Receives
Jose Urquidy, SP, HOU
Thumper Receives
P 3.17
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| | | 25 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 05:06
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I have multiple players available for trade right now. One of them is Brandon Woodruff. Several people have inquired about him. I am being offered a pretty cool 2 for 1 for him right now. Interested in upgrading my keepers with young guys with upside. Look up Woodruff on various sites that measure the underlying stats and let me hear from you soon.
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| | | 26 | GO
ID: 14143919
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 07:25
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Put those leftovers after your keeper list people... only costing yourself. I am looking right at those while weighing buying a leftover vs. just keeping Josh James, Yarborough or Luke Weaver for my last slot. They are all also available cheap, or if i can find a cheap upgrade.
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| | | 27 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 11:30
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Species, I’ve marked my keepers.
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| | | 28 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 11:34
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Trade Announcement
Jon Dowd receives
DJ LeMahieu, 1B/2B/3B, NYY
8.12
Fosten receives
Ronny Mauricio, SS, NYM (p)
p-pick 4.9
14.20
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| | | 29 | Jon Dowd
ID: 26119214
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 11:35
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Confirmed
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| | | 30 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 12:38
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Fosten is alive!
In other news, it has come to my attention that our expansion draft of the ttucowboy / slizz teams (to Jon Dowd and Donkey Kong) created a bit of a mess in terms of accounting for 2021 pick trades. If you all recall, since our new managers did not inherit the totality of their franchises, including traded picks, we arrived at the solution of those two teams basically splitting the pool of picks between the former franchises........that way it split up the "pain" from ttucowboy's aggressive pick trading.
We have realized that ttucowboy also traded picks in 2021. For the 2021 prospect draft, ttucowboy traded away his 1st and 2nd round prospect picks.
In our expansion draft, the 'loser' of the coin flip got the first priority in the assignment of remaining draft picks. That resulted in DonkeyKong receiving the first available pick of the new franchises. As such, we are expanding that to the 2021 prospect draft in order to satisfy ttucowboy's trades. As such:
- DK would have received slizz' 1st round p-pick in our pick assignment.
- With ttucowboy's 1st gone, Jon Dowd would have received slizz' 2nd round pick.
The end result is:
1) mjd receives Jon Dowd's 1st round prospect pick to satisfy his trade with ttucowboy
2) blue hen received Donkey Kong's 2nd round prospect pick to satisfy his trade with ttucowboy
I will be updating the Constitution accordingly
PS - ttucowboy received a supplemental pick in 2021. We are considering solutions on that.
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| | | 31 | DK6000
ID: 561143213
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 15:39
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Trade Announcement
Jon Dowd receives
2020 s4.09
2020 s5.17
2021 s10.x
Donkey Kong receives
2020 s12.17
2020 s13.11
2021 s2.x
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| | | 32 | Jon Dowd
ID: 26119214
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 15:40
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Confirmed
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| | | 33 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 16:34
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Forrest Whitley is on the block. Highest p-pick offered gets him.
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| | | 34 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 16:48
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Meatwads Trade Block Update
Hey guys. With the news that Chris Sale is having arm issues, I have to prepare myself for a last-minute adjustment. Pending other trades, I'm going to make him available. This could be a moment for someone to get an ace for less than market value, particularly if you're looking beyond this season.
Besides that, I'm down to only one SP now that I feel great about, so I'd like to remedy that. I'm shopping a package of J.D. Davis (Advanced metrics love him, and so do I) and Carlos Martinez (Back into the rotation) for a SP upgrade.
If I'm able to handle those two situations, the rest of my offseason will be taking last minute offers on the rest of my available closers.
I've also had enough interest in my prospect Marco Luciano, SS, SF to make a public statement. I'm really high on the kid, and feel I could have something special. Since I consider myself a contender, I'll inevitably be looking to add pieces in season. That's going to be the moment to come after Luciano.
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| | | 35 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Wed, Mar 04, 2020, 17:09
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https://www.mlb.com/news/active-hits-leaders-quiz
Fun quiz. Kind of easy though. I went 27-for-30. Missed on the Marlins, Giants and Cardinals.
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| | | 36 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 05, 2020, 07:55
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28 and 31 are both approved, congrats all
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| | | 37 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 05, 2020, 16:24
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If anyone is looking for s2-4’s or p2-3’s, I’m looking to bundle s 2’s-4’s for an s1 and p2’s-3’s for a p1
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| | | 38 | WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Mar 05, 2020, 20:46
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If anyone is keeping 1 or 0 prospects, I can move my p3 or p4 for your p4 or p5 and a little something.
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| | | 39 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 11:07
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ATTN Philly fans: My fondest memory of Veterans Stadium is the distinct odor of urine. As a Mets, Pirates, and Orioles fan, I must say you are truly the armpit of the East. Ohh, how I love to hate you! The last good employee you had was Harry Kalas, and his batting average was not existent. Why do I still own Zach Wheeler and Scott Kingery? Please get these dirty, stinking, rotten players off my team.
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| | | 40 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 11:24
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How DARE you speak Ill of Harry Kalas. He’s invested more into this team than the Pirates owners have ever invested in their players. He means more to us than you could write on a Bobby Bonilla paycheck! Don’t you O’s fans still worship our president Andy MacPhail? Thanks for the last 5 years worth’ of international spending the Orioles have no clue what to do with!
You will rue this day, Fosten.
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| | | 41 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 11:39
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Harry Kalas was the only dude I liked! Still waiting for Dom Brown to breakout tho.
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| | | 42 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 14:43
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Can I please get a rules clarification.
If I leave a player as a prospect ... How long until I can call him up?
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| | | 43 | Species
ID: 351051122
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 16:37
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Once the Prospect Keeper deadline passes, and you have retained him as a prospect, there is no restriction as to when you may call him up. You could do it the next day if you really wanted to.
You are merely restricted to a grand total of two call-ups (and corresponding send-downs back to the prospect list) per year.
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This is an important rule to refresh and also advise our new managers. An allowed call-up includes the future action of sending that player back down to the prospect list. You are allowed to do this a TOTAL of two times during that player's lifetime on the prospect list.
Keston Hiura is an excellent example. When Hiura was called up early in the year, Nerfherders called him up for the first time. Hiura started a bit slow and was sent down in real life. Nerfherders then sent him down for the first time.....
Hiura came up for good a few weeks later. Nerfherders called him up for a second time and Hiura finished the season on Nerfherders' roster. IF Hiura had finished with less than 300 AB (instead of the 314 he ended up with), Nerf could have sent Hiura down to the Prospect List a 2nd time at the end if the season and 10th Keeper him this year.
Please feel free to ask any clarifying questions.
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| | | 44 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 17:31
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Thanks Species. I remembered discussion about that, but didn't see anything in the constitution.
Trade Announcement
Tosh gets -
Edwin Encarnacion, CHW 1B
Blue Hen gets -
Prospect pick, round 2 [currently is P2.13]
Leaving me with one prospect pick [I kept 3]
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| | | 45 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 18:33
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Confirmed
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| | | 46 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 23:43
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Two more trades to make. Have to trade two of Joey Votto, Ken Giles, Robbie Ray, or Ian Happ.
Looking for 10th keepers, prospect picks, or S picks.
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| | | 47 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 18:48
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Keepers are due at Noon ET on Monday. List and mark your keepers on ESPN or they will be chosen for you.
The following teams have yet to finalize their keepers on ESPN:
Nerfherders
WG
Jon Dowd
Matt G
Greggo
Fosten
blue hen
GO
Tosh needs the Encarnacion trade to finalize and then he can complete his.
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| | | 49 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 19:21
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44 approved
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| | | 50 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Sat, Mar 07, 2020, 23:58
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McMahon still available, hitting well this spring and has 2b/3b eligibility. Should get 1b eligibility at some point as well. I’d be keeping him but have Biggio, Vlad and my util spot all filled.
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| | | 51 | Tree
ID: 571142323
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 00:32
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And, in typical fashion, my team begins to collapse even before the draft, as one of my players beans another in the face, breaking his jaw.
Here we go again.
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| | | 52 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 08:44
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Trade Announcement
Greggo receives:
J.D. Davis, 3B/OF, NYM
Meatwads receives:
Zach Davies, SP, SD
P 1.18
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| | | 53 | GO
ID: 14143919
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 08:56
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G20 Triple Threat Trade
GO Receives
Scott Kingery
s12.12
Fosten Receives
s5.7
2021 5th round p-pick
Phase 2...
Thumqer gets
Kingery
1.07
7.07
GO acquires
Max Fried
2.18
5.19
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| | | 54 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 08:57
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Confirmed... phase 2 are all supplemental picks
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| | | 55 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 08:59
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Confirmed
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| | | 56 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 09:09
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Fosten's Happy Drunken Last Call Clearance Sale
Folks, we're coming to you live from the g20 Keeper Deadline Marathon. Species is pouring another round of tequila. WG is spinning records in the corner. Meatwads is hanging upside down by the chandelier! Hey! Get down from there! I am making some bad decisions, hiccup, and passing the savings onto you! Is that the sun coming up? I've been drinking since Thursday. What day is it? Hey do you know Polar Bear Pete? Yeah you do. Guess what he told me. He said, "I want to be celebrating on a parade float, drunk as hell." Those were his last wishes. I miss that guy. Has anyone seen him? Oh there he is. Hey Pete. Munson Mobsters 2020! Woooooo!
50 Steals For Sale - Buy It Now OBO
- Mallex Smith, OF, SEA - Mallex has achieved a merit badge in medieval wizardry. He can help you fight crime across western Alberta, Canada and lead your team to victory. Could we set him up your sister's cousin Donna? The one with the good personality? Or maybe he would adopt your sister's cousin's cat Sherry? The one with the bad personality?
Hello I'm Keeper IL Gold AMA
- Griffin Canning, SP, LAA - Biological injections! This ace stays at home on the Keeper IL during April while you go out drinking with your buddies and stream that extra roster spot.
- Brusdar Graterol, SP, LAD - His medical reports are the most talked about medical reports of the winter. Brusdar, stop fixing your hair! You're holding everyone up!
- Justin Upton, OF, LAA - Justin gets hurt easily. Justin is sensitive. Justin is looking for a long-term Keeper IL relationship.
Pick Swap Grab Bag
Fosten is always down for a fun pick trade! Deal out the cards. Rules are: you drink every time I try to throw-in Danny Jansen.
Jeepers Keepers
My keepers are posted, but the lights are still on in showroom. Take both in the same deal and get free Sirius satellite radio. Can someone turn off the lights? It's really bright in here.
- Paul Goldschmidt, 1B, STL - Offering apples. Would trade for some oranges.
- Zack Wheeler, SP, PHI - Offering oranges. Would trade for some apples.
Fosten's Biggest Deal Yet.....zzz....zzzzzz...
Uh oh. We've got a sleeper pick. Someone draw something on his face! Wait, what were we talking about again? Hey guys, anyone wanna order pizza?
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| | | 57 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 09:28
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re 52, confirm
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| | | 58 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 09:35
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Greggo Romans receives Ryan McMahon
Bmd receives 4.06 in the prospect draft
Bmd receives Alex Reyes(throw in to even trade on ESPN).
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| | | 59 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 09:45
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confirm
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| | | 60 | Species
ID: 351051122
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 10:56
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Waiting on the Trade Committee on the latest deals.
If they do not opine in time....deals can still go through. I can fix after the deadline.....just be accurate in the Keeper Thread.
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| | | 61 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 11:43
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Donkey Kong receives
p-pick 2.12
Fosten receives
Nolan Gorman, 3B, STL (p)
2021 5th round p-pick
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| | | 62 | DK6000
ID: 561143213
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 11:45
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Confirmed
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| | | 63 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 11:45
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I applaud Tree for his desire to keep the dalogue alive re saves + holds. I want to changee that category as well.
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| | | 64 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 12:16
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The Trade Review Committee has vetoed the trade in post 52 (JD Davis for p1) for the following reasons:
1. Comparison to Trade Market. The committee reviewed the below comparable trades and have determined this trade to be outside an acceptable range
A. Ryan McMahon for p4
B. Jose Urquidy for p3.17
C. Brad Hand for p3.05
D. Edwin Encarnacion for p2.13
E. DJ LeMahieu for Ronny Mauricio and 2021 p4
2. Cost of acquisition. JD Davis is kicking Andujar from Greggo’s keeper list, who was acquired approximately 2 weeks ago for s3.01
While the committee understands Greggo is looking for younger Talent, the market and cost has provided enough reasonable doubt on the premise of this deal to overturn it.
Greggo and Meatwads have the opportunity to rework the trade to be within an acceptable limit per the Trade Review committee.
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| | | 65 | Species
ID: 351051122
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 12:41
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Despite the Keeper Deadline having passed, I am giving Meatwads and Greggo until 5:00pm ET to agree to a reworked trade.
I still need Trade Committee review on the other trades from this morning. I will adjust keepers as appropriate.
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| | | 66 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 13:35
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With the keeper deadline passed (albeit with allowance for a reworked JD Davis trade), our moratorium on the trading of keepers now begins and lasts for 30 days. That means that keepers cannot be traded until April 8th.
Please note that other trades are perfectly acceptable:
- Prospects
- Prospect picks
- Supplemental picks
- PLAYERS drafted in the supplemental draft
Let me know if you have any questions on this.
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We now move onto our Prospect Keeper deadline. Prospect keepers are due tomorrow, Tuesday March 10th, at Noon. Obviously we are still working through a trade or two involving prospects, but we should work through them today.
Only blue hen (who owns no prospects) and WG have not posted in the Prospect Keeper thread. I'm sure WG will before the deadline.
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| | | 67 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 14:27
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Meatwads has noted that the veto of the Davis trade has affected his keepers. If he and Greggo cannot come up with an agreeable option, he would like to replace one of his keepers and retain Davis instead.
The official veto came AFTER the keeper deadline. I am going to grant Meatwads his request under the assumption that no news comes to light that would benefit his decision either way between now and 3:00pm ET. That means both:
1) No positive news for JD Davis. That means an outlook on his shoulder as well as any playing time clarifications such as announcements by the Mets or injuries to competing players.
2) Any negative news on the player he plans on dropping from his keeper list. This can mean an injury, a trade in real baseball or announcements about that player's role.
Separately, I will still grant them until 5:00pm ET to rework the Davis trade in a manner acceptable to he, Greggo AND the Trade Committee. Since they both have posted their keepers under the assumption of the Davis trade, the time difference shouldn't be an issue.
let me know if you have any questions.
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| | | 68 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 15:04
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For the record, the trade committee just saw fit to take a trade away from my 20th place finishing team where I was able to acquire a guy who once he started playing as a regular last year had a 1.100 ops and 15 HR in 55 games. # of players with an 1.100 ops last year? 1. Christian Yelich. Look up his underlying % stats on baseball savant and compare to Yordan Alvarez. Actually, look. I am pissed at this sort of paternalism. I want to know if the committee actually looked at any of that. If not, then you just based your decision on perception that just may be flawed. He immediately looked like my second best hitter, 26 y/o and entering the prime years of production, and now he is gone because you decided you know what is best for my team. So, is the smile I had on my face. I may be on my way out.
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| | | 69 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 16:17
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I'm not on the committee. But I too would have given the JD Davis trade the thumbs down. JD Davis has been available all offseason. Could probably have had him for a mid round pick. A 20th place team trading away a first round prospect pick for an injury-prone player ... I mean you're already without any picks in the first six rounds of the supplemental draft, so all the prime talent will gone by the time you pick. At least keep your prospect pick and try and strike gold.
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| | | 70 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 16:57
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Re the statement about Yordan above, I meant to compare Davis' %stats (exit velo, hard-hit %, wOBA, etc.) to Yordan. No one questions me having Yordan now, but this time last year, when I got him in a trade, there was a holy shitstorm and I barely escaped having it vetoed. No one has come forward and said they were dead wrong on that one. I shouldn't have to justify my thinking every other trade I make in this league. I don't want to have to reveal my way of thinking to everyone. No one else has to reveal their trade secrets.
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| | | 72 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 17:20
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your statement is wrong Lyman due to speculation and a false premise. Meat will keep Davis if the deal is vetoed. We have been in talks off and on for over a month. He even came up last year. Did you make inquiries for him? If not, you have no idea how Meat valued him. You do have an idea how I value him as of today. I am sure you have some guys you value more highly than I do, but I don't tell you you are wrong to value them that way nor tell you what you should do with your assets. This is all so junior high.
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| | | 74 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 17:24
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*editing My typos*
No doubt that Yordan deal worked out.
Deals that didn’t work out
1. Jameson Taillon for s1.03 + s1.04 + Bichette (that was me)
2. Dan Vogelbach and La Stella for Bieber (that was You)
3. Jorge Soler, Alex Colome for an injured Khris Davis (me again!)
Hindsight is always 20/20, we can only make the best decision we can with the information we have at the time. We could go all day on great and bad deals in hindsight, but we have to try to keep a base level of acceptable deals. The Trade committee was voted in as a league for this reason and this deal was vetoed by a committee of people, not 1 or 2 people. When enough people view the deal a certain way, and the valuation of a market is based on the aggregate of multiple teams, it might be time to wonder if that is actually is how the league values the trade. Every trade should have opinions for either side of the deal, and that wasn’t the case here. We could all be wrong down the road (like I was with Taillon), and imagine if i retroactively offered Bo Bichette for Taillon based on current valuations (Ask Tree I tried this offseason)... but we have to do valuations based on what we know now. And yes... that does include a lot of statistics such as Baseball Savant or other sources.
Will revert with the ruling on the revised idea as discussed
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| | | 75 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 17:28
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I have been pretty much absent from the chat room since this time last year when the first hullabaloo happened. I will respectfully absent myself again now. I have said my peace. Good luck to you all this year.
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| | | 76 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 18:16
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Update: A newly proposed deal has been struck in the vetoed JD Davis deal. This is awaiting votes from the Trade Committee.
If the new deal is vetoed again, Meatwads will keep Davis and release someone. I will hold the standards of news (no positive news for Davis, no negative news for his drop) as a requirement for me to allow for the keeper substitution. I am allowing this to go beyond my stated time deadlines because a restructured deal was agreed upon and given to the Trade Committee before the deadlines.
Get your prospect draft board ready!
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| | | 77 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 18:58
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53, 58, 61 all pass
A revised trade between Greggo and Meatwads was passed, I’ve asked both guys to post and confirm on the board
Greggo receives JD Davis
Meatwads receives p2.15
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| | | 78 | Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 19:37
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I want to thank Thumqer for taking the lead on the trade committee. Things ran very smoothly because of his efforts.
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| | | 79 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 19:54
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Confirm
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| | | 80 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 20:08
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77 - Confirmed.
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| | | 81 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 20:57
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I was just the project mgr- thanks to all in the committee and alternates for quick responses and well thought out opinions all offseason!
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| | | 82 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 09, 2020, 22:24
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Administrative Updates:
- All last-minute trades have been approved by the Trade Committee and updated in our draft grids.
- I have "finalized" our "offline draft" - you probably got an email notice. I needed to do this to be able to fix some of the last-minute trades that did not get finalized before the keeper deadline. Stuff like the Fried - Kingery trade and dropping Andujar and Anderson from GreggoRomans and adding McMahon and JD Davis.
- I have added all 10th keepers to team's rosters.
As such, please check your ESPN rosters for accuracy. All trades and 10th keepers should now be on your teams!
- I have cheated and deleted all 10th keepered and renounced prospects from the Prospect List in the constitution.
Prospect keeper deadline Tuesday at 12:00pm. While I have cheated a bit and input all of the 10th keepers and such, those can still be changed or traded until then.
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| | | 83 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 09:13
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a week or so back, Species and I talked about the role of the trade committee - it was part of a discussion we were having about a trade I had concerns about.
he suggested that maybe I write something about what we do (something Thumqer touched on above), and how seriously we take what we've been tasked to do.
but, in the last week my job got even more insane than usual (as evidenced by today's Wall Street Journal where we were mentioned, complete with a photo), so I put it on the backburner until now.
Many trades don't warrant a second glance. We discuss them quickly and pass them. Others require a bit more discussion, but that may be because they're a tad more complex, and we want to be sure every thing is hunky dory.
And then there are those where we discuss, in depth and at length, significant concerns over a deal.
While those discussions may include whether an unbalanced deal can have a significant detrimental affect on the league, whether the deal is collusion, or if a trade is out of whack with the rest of the market, we do look at other things as well, and trading history is part of that.
There have been some thoughts that managers who may be friends in the real world are helping each other out in an untoward way - this was the sort of thing that cost us several good managers in the off season, and while i suppose this falls under collusion, it definitely bears a closer look.
there is also at least one manager who is viewed as predatory, especially towards new managers. that in itself isn't enough to turn over a deal, but it definitely puts a closer look on some deals. It's inevitable that owner is going to make some questionable deal with a newbie, and when someone comes into the league, i feel like he's acting like a drunk at a bar eyeballing the group of girls who just turned 21.
We only overturned one deal this off-season, and it only required a minor tweak to bring it in line. We didn't overturn this lightly, and discussed at significant length, and the reasons were posted here. They were sound reasons, I stand by them, and I appreciate that at least one other manager acknowledged he might have done the same thing.
We had another deal that was close - it was a deal we had initially approved after much discussion, but then revisited after keepers were named, because one of the players involved wasn't kept.
We went to that manager, and while the deal personally left a bad taste in my mouth knowing that player wasn't kept, his reasoning was sound, so we let the deal stand and did not retroactively reverse it.
ironically, i believe that neither player in the deal was kept, so now it's just a lopsided draft pick swap.
anyway, that might well have been a lot of typing and saying nothing on my part, but i just wanted to over insight that we don't just rubber stamp every trade, and don't automatically overturn every poor trade.
TL; dr - we look at every trade carefully. we don't take what we're doing lightly, because it can affect a team's present and future. we've been tasked with an important role in this league, one that was implemented because this league was in danger of falling apart, and we take it seriously.
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| | | 84 | WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 11:46
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Trade
WG gets BH later p4 and s6
BH gets WG p3 and s7
My prospect keepers remain the same, just using a 5,4,4 to keep them now.
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| | | 85 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 11:50
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Confirmed. To be clear it’s P4.11 and P3.16 changing hands.
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| | | 86 | GO
ID: 141062421
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 12:32
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Want to publicly thank Species for all his efforts with this league. Its an immense task to handle.
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| | | 87 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 13:23
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86 seconded!
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| | | 88 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 14:24
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84 approved
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| | | 89 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 17:24
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THE PROSPECT DRAFT IS NOW OPEN ON AN UNTIMED BASIS!
The draft grid above is accurate through the first two rounds - save for 1.11 which says Khahan but should be Matt G.
I will correct the rest tonight:
1) Forfeited picks starting in round 3
2) bh / WG swap in the 3rd and 4th round
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| | | 90 | Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 23:07
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
BMD RECEIVES
S-1.03
P-2.02
LYMAN RECEIVES
S-3.05
P-1.10
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| | | 91 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 23:25
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Confirm
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| | | 92 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 07:36
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I am not opposed to moving Prospect pick 1.03.
i will likely hold, but if an offer knocks my socks off, i'll definitely consider it....
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| | | 93 | Species
ID: 351051122
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 09:36
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I had a question that makes a good reminder to everyone:
Now that the keeper deadline has passed, all keepers are static....all assigned picks are now static. For example, trading a prospect now does not open up another pick.
34 prospects kept
66 prospect picks to be made
You can still trade all you want, but the keepers draft picks are all set.
Good luck in the draft. 3 hour clock starts at Noon ET.
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| | | 94 | GO
ID: 141062421
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:37
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Trade
GO Picked 48.05 Bobby Witt, JR - SS, KC
YR gets Casey Mize (prospect)
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| | | 95 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 10:45
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Noted!
I received an email from youngroman who confirmed. Draft moves on at 1.06 for Meatwads.
PS - I only have access to the Constitution and Draft Grids at home so I cannot update them on the fly.....so unless Guru is not very busy and feeling even more generous than usual, we will have to make some notes ourselves during in-draft trades.
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| | | 96 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 11:39
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In-draft trades require almost immediate action. Unless there is a trade that I feel needs a sharper lens, I will re-assume trade approval authority during the drafts. Simple pick trades are usually fairly benign.
As such, I approve 90 and 94.
I do not have access to update the Google docs during the work day. Guru will seek to keep the grids updated during the draft. but Lyman will have Prospect Pick 1.10 so keep that in mind.
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| | | 97 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 14:23
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Trade Announcement
Lyman receives
P1.07
S4.16
Thumper receives
P1.10
S2.02
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| | | 98 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 14:26
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Confirmed
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| | | 99 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 14:27
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Approved. Fire away Lyman.
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| | | 100 | Species
ID: 351051122
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:19
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G20: For now, let's continue the Prospect Draft. If the start of the MLB season is delayed for a period of time, no one is disadvantaged by us finishing that draft.
By the time this weekend hits and more news comes to light, we very well may delay the start of the Supplemental Draft. We want all teams to be on even ground with player news.
Our 9 keepers are locked. We all had the same information at the time of the deadline.
So, I recommend business as usual for the P-draft and we will assess as the week unfolds.
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| | | 101 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 12:29
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Negotiating a trade with 2 parties for this p-pick. Sorry for the delay.
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| | | 102 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:15
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trade
mjd gives p2.05, s3.17, s11.10
bmd gives p2.10, s2.17, s5.10
I think that's correct. bmd to confirm
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| | | 103 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:22
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Approved. Fire away.
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| | | 104 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:32
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Confirm
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| | | 105 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:05
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With Opening Day being postponed for at least two weeks, I trust everyone here in G20 would agree that pushing the Supplemental Draft back an equal amount of time is warranted. More to come, but basically we can use Saturday March 28th as our expectation.......for now.
I still support continuing the prospect draft.
Happy to hear concerns and discussion.
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| | | 106 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:09
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Agree with the decision to wait on the Supp draft. News is unfolding rapidly and I think we still have a lot to learn in the next couple weeks in terms of the MLB 2020 season.
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| | | 107 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:22
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Makes sense, definitely think continuing prospect draft and delaying supplemental draft is the right call.
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| | | 108 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:27
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I agree
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| | | 109 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:29
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I agree with postponing to match MLB timeline
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| | | 110 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 16:41
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agree with the postponement.
this gives me more time to botch pick 1.01.
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| | | 111 | Jon Dowd
ID: 26119214
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 13:40
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Agreed. Stay healthy and safe everyone.
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| | | 112 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 13:55
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And with pick 1.01, Tree takes --
1.01 - Virus, Corona (Lungs, Planet Earth)
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| | | 113 | Meatwads
ID: 16250620
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 13:58
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Apologies for the delay picking this morning. I’ve been out running errands. Now I’m discussing trades. I’m open to moving this pick (3.04) for a 2nd round prospect pick in 2021. If I’m not able to get a deal done on that in the next half an hour, I’ll make my selection. At that point, I’ll be taking similar offers for pick 3.15. Thanks for your patience and reach out to me if any of this interests you.
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| | | 114 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 15:13
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Almost done guys. I've received multiple offers, so the negotiations took longer than I expected. I am going to be making a deal. Just waiting to hear back shortly from my trade partner. He seems ready to make the selection, so it won't take long, pending commish approval.
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| | | 115 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 15:35
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1.01 - Virus, Corona (Lungs, Planet Earth)
1.02 has gotta be Lyme disease, because you can't have Corona without Lyme....
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| | | 116 | Meatwads
ID: 43056268
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 15:38
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Trade Announcement
Meatwads trade:
P 3.04
Greggo trades:
2021 P2
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| | | 117 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 15:39
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Confirm
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| | | 118 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 15:42
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116 approved. Fire away Greggo.
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| | | 119 | Gregg Curry
ID: 38855205
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 05:08
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Willing to trade my 2021 3rd round supp pick for a 2020 p.4 if one of the guys I like is still there. We just got to round 4. So, that's a 3(probably a very early p.3 given my team at present) for a 4. Let me know.
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| | | 120 | GreggoRomans
ID: 47931312
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 05:30
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sorry. My last post was gibberish. Just got in late from a recording session and am very tired. Let my try again: I will trade a 2021 s.3 for a 2020 p.4 pick if one of the guys I like is still undrafted. As I type this, the third round has ended. if you are interested, reach out. I am exhausted and won't likely wake up before 9 PST. But, I will check for responses as soon as I wake up.
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| | | 121 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 14:12
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Trade
Guru receives S4.17
BH receives P4.4, S7.08
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| | | 122 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 14:38
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Confirmed
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| | | 123 | Species
ID: 351051122
Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 14:45
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Approved. Continue.
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| | | 124 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 18:35
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So, we are obviously on standby mode. We are delaying the Supplemental Draft until there is a more definitive timetable provided by MLB. I doubt they will take us by surprise, as pitchers and hitters will each need some time to get ready, and that should take at least 2 weeks, which should be enough for us to get the Supplemental Draft completed.
Keeper Trade Moratorium: It is my view that the intent of the trade moratorium was to encompass both the Supplemental Draft and a short time of the start of the season. This year that was going to include 13 days of the regular season. As such, whenever the season starts, the moratorium will extend for 13 days into the regular season.
Let me know if any of you have concerns.
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| | | 125 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 16, 2020, 16:04
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Anyone wanna do pick swaps with me while we have nothing else to do? Looking for late 2021 p picks to hold the extra youngins I drafted.
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| | | 126 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 08:13
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Anyone wanna do pick swaps with me while we have nothing else to do?
we could just keep trading drafted prospects back and forth.
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| | | 127 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 14:09
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I’m interested hit me up
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| | | 128 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 16:16
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With Thor getting TJ I would propose that Youngroman should be allowed to keep someone else on his offseason roster if he chooses, provided the player wasn’t drafted in the p draft.
In G24 football the league let me keep Jacoby Brissett after Andrew Luck retires after the keeper deadline... it just felt right.
Obviously would need a line drawn on what other potential scenarios/players this could apply to
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| | | 129 | youngroman
ID: 25116273
Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 17:49
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this is a tough blow to my team, but lets see how the year develops. the strange thing is that this is the first time that I read that he had an issue with his elbow. due to Corona he may not miss a full season of games. he is definitely a trade candidate as soon as the calendar for the 2020 season is more clear. until then you don't need to send any requests. I know that he was a hot commodity for most of you and he will be for some of you.
Thor isn't my first TJ victim this year: I drafted Chris Sale in my RIBC league.
some questions to all of you
1) in which month do you think that the next baseball is thrown in a MLB regular season game?
a) April or May
b) June or July
c) August 2020 to February 2021
d) March 2021
the more I think about it, the more I believe it will be d)
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| | | 130 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 10:09
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I’d hope for b but could honestly see d happening. I don’t think any assumptions on how quickly we’ll get through this as a country are valid really
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| | | 131 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 12:11
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1) in which month do you think that the next baseball is thrown in a MLB regular season game?
a) April or May
b) June or July
c) August 2020 to February 2021
d) March 2021
b, leaning towards july, with MLB saying players might need 30 days or so to prepare.
the next 30 days will decide a lot of things, including baseball - Florida is shaping up to be the next Italy, with the tinderbox combination of a very old population, a seemingly oblivious spring break crowd, and a governor who is a Trump bootlicker and doesn't think this is a big deal, which i going to get a LOT of people killed.
without florida in play, baseball loses some teams and some infrastructure - they can probably work around that, but would they?
That being said, I'd definitely change things up considerably - baseball fans all demand relative degrees of purity in our game, but is that realistic this year? I don't see 162 game season being played, unless we're playing baseball in January or later.
So, what would I do? Increase roster size and go with a fairly standard schedule.
Let's say Opening Day is Tuesday, June 16.
From that day through the week of Monday, August 31, teams play 7 games a week, including double headers on Wednesday and Sunday, with off days being Monday and Thursday (the day after the doubleheaders).
Opening week begins with a 3-game interleague series (Yankes/Mets, Cubs/White Sox, Ranger/*stros, etc) for every team, and then every 3-game series up to the All-Star Break is between teams in the same league, but not the same division.
Every four game series from opening week through the week of August 3, is an inter-divisional series, with the last four four game series up to the all-star break being series between two teams in the same league, but not the same division.
All-Star Break is the entire week beginning Monday, Sept 7, with the HR Derby being Tuesday and the game being Wednesday. Fri, Sat, and Sun of that week will be used to make up any games cancelled or postponed from the season's first half.
The season's second "half" kicks off the week of September 14, and the league switches to Tuesday and Saturday doubleheaders, with off days being Wednesday and Sunday.
The week begins with three game series, and the first three weeks are ALL interleague games in those first three game series, with the four game series at the end of the week being between two teams in the same league, but not the same division.
We then have an entire week of games between two teams in the same league, but not the same division, the first a 3 games series, the second a 4 game series.
and finally, the last four weeks of the season beginning from Monday Oct 12 through the week of November 2, is a divisional sprint, with all series (one 3 game and one 4 game per week) being played.
this gives us a 140-game season. 60 interdivisional games against 4 opponents, 68 interleague games against 10 opponents, and 12 games against (one or two, i havent't decided yet) interleague opponents.
playoffs - only one wild card team per league. they're the 4 seed. They play the 1 seed, 2 plays 3, in a 5 game series. ALCS and ALDS are 7 game series, as is the World Series.
all playoff games are in preannounced stadiums.
i'd do it as follows:
AL 1 vs 4 - Rogers Centre, Toronto, OT
AL 2 vs 3 - T-Mobile Park, Seattle, WA
ALCS - Minute Maid Park, Houston, TX
NL 1 vs 4 - Chase Field, Phoenix, AZ
NL 2 vs 3 - Marlins Park, Miami, FL
NLCS - Miller Park, Milwaukee, WI
World Series - Globe Field, Arlington, TX
i used to know how to post an excel grid here. if i remember, i'll post my schedule, because it makes a lot more sense in grid format. :D
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| | | 132 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 15:54
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If it is d, what's the plan? There would be no need to do a draft, but could we re-select keepers from our 2019 teams, for 2021? There's obviously going to be different selections a year on, with another round of free agency, etc, and it's not like anyone else can own those players in the interim.
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| | | 133 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 19:08
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132: That is a great question. We would have to make decisions about what happens to the Supplemental Draft picks as well as our keepers.
Supplemental Draft Picks:
There would be managers who would suffer materially if the season is canceled. They traded a lot of capital to load up for 2020 and would not enjoy the fruits of that labor.
However, every trade involved fair value for fair value. Prospects changed hands. Prospect picks changed hands. 2021 picks changed hands. Some of these trades are 2 years old. It is just too much to unwind.
I definitely want to hear thoughts, but my initial reaction is going to be basically akin to: it is too late and too complicated to 'fix' or otherwise compensate teams with heavy 2020 Supplemental Pick capital. Like in business I suppose, there is risk in planting corn when a tornado, famine or other Act of God could come along and wipe you out. It sucks, but I am beside myself on how to quantify what value teams would have, relatively speaking, in 2020 value and try to craft an equitable way to remunerate them.
If only we had an actuary around to run the numbers.....
2020 Keepers:
Here I had two potential thoughts:
1) Run the 2020 supplemental draft, inclusive of all traded picks, so teams can have a 'fresh' roster from which to craft their 2021 keepers.
2) Do as Nerf suggests above and "rewind" back to the rosters as of the 2020 keeper deadline. One problem with that is -- I am not sure they are archived in ESPN. We can see the ending 2019 rosters and recreate the ending rosters based upon the archived trades. It would be a pain in the a$$ but it is doable.
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| | | 134 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 19:13
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133: Make that second section 2021 Keepers:
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| | | 135 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 20:23
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<133> I view us as kind of stuck in time in G20 and Baseball. In the event there is no baseball, the best way to ensure folks aren’t materially boned is to pick up 2021 right where we left off in 2020... with prospects selected, mlb keepers selected (though I would vote to allow folks to re-select keepers from their offseason team if possible), and with 2020 supplemental picks used in 2021.
A couple teams (Meatwads and me) loaded up with prospect picks and picked a huge farm to see how the kids play this year. There isn’t any new prospect info out there for next year if no baseball is being played. If we go through another prospect keeper deadline then we wasted all the value on acquiring all these prospects and can’t keep them despite not knowing anything new about them
I also spent a ton of capital on supplemental picks to go for it this year. Tough shit, I know. But I can’t think of a reason why the supplemental picks can’t be pushed back a year if there’s no baseball to use them on. I can’t think of a strong reason why the many 2020 pick swaps shouldn't be preserved in favor of the few 2021 pick swaps...
Stay safe everyone
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| | | 136 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 20:43
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That would be a simple solution for picks - push everything back a year. 2020 picks become 2021 picks. 2021 picks become 2022 picks, etc.
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| | | 137 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 21:20
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135: Keep the ideas coming. This is a collaboration so we as a league would have to determine the best course of action.
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| | | 138 | Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 22:11
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135 and 136 absolutely.
If the season is canceled, everything moves as if 2020 never existed.
If we get a partial season, play ball!
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| | | 139 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 12:13
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If no season then pushing everything back makes the most sense. Supp draft pick exchanges pushed back a year. Prospect draft 2021 either cancelled(with pick exchanges being pushed back a year) or pushed to ASB in 2021 then have the 2022 prospect draft proceed as normal.
I’m guessing we’re going to have a season starting after the all star break. Fingers crossed. Wouldn’t surprise me if they played all the games to empty stadiums in Florida or Arizona though.
The only other idea I have if we chose not to push everything back is to have a compensation round in 2022(since no picks have been traded in that draft) for managers with extra picks in 2020 supplemental draft. For example, if you had 3 1st round picks in 2020, you would get 2 compensation picks at the end of round 1 in the 2022 supplemental draft. Not a big fan of this but just an idea if we chose not to push everything back which I think is far superior.
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| | | 140 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 12:31
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bump, because i really miss baseball.
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| | | 141 | GO
ID: 141062421
Wed, Apr 22, 2020, 15:42
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Has it been 30 days? can we trade?! You never said we had to actually be playing games, right?! :)
Giancarlo would look good on your squad... yes, I'm talking to you person who just read this.
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| | | 142 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 10:44
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I miss baseball so dearly. I hope everyone is doing well.
If anyone has MLB The Show and is looking to play a game and chat hit me up!
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| | | 143 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Apr 27, 2020, 10:44
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it makes me crazy that the Show is only on one system.
i've been playing OOTP even more than ever.
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| | | 144 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 08:46
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maybe?
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| | | 145 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, May 01, 2020, 15:40
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🙏🤞🏼🙏🤞🏼
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| | | 146 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, May 20, 2020, 18:41
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Happy almost Memorial Day weekend, all.
Sadly, if baseball had actually been playing this whole time, by now team Species would have already been ahead of y'all by about 10-15 points and people would be deciding whether to throw in the towel. Instead, if the current basic structure being bandied about by MLB actually comes to fruition, we MAY see games around July 4th. Maybe that will give you all a chance to keep up in the shortened season! ;)
In my mind G20 should begin (even if only conceptually) to prepare to play the shortened 2020 season. With the possibility of a universal DH, a compact schedule and expanded rosters, we need to contemplate how we might amend the rules for this season only. Items to consider would include (but not be limited to):
- Confirm supplemental draft would occur with the existing draft grid
- Amend both GP/IP maximums and minimums based upon what MLB finalizes - i.e. if we have an 80 game season, we might start our considerations at lowering everything by half. That said, with how funky this season could end up playing out, we may adjust these aspects even further.
- Amend maximum number of moves accordingly. Considering the proposed number of doubleheaders, 6-man rotations and expanded rosters, lowering the maximum by 50% may be too much (??).
- Do we consider adding any roster spots (assuming ESPN can accommodate!)?? If so, how many? And if so, do we add additional rounds to the supplemental draft or make it a fun free-for-all off the waiver wire?
- What else?
Notice that I did not put any consideration for adjustment of keepers. Obviously that is only my opinion so it can still be on the table. We all had the same information at that time and made our keepers in good faith. In some ways people lucked out....in other ways teams had bad luck. It happens.
I also believe that our keeper trade moratorium would remain intact and be inclusive of the first 13 days of whatever regular season we have.
There are probably several other factors that can be considered. Let's hash them out in advance.
All of my best to you and yours. Stay safe and healthy.
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| | | 147 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, May 20, 2020, 20:06
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It’s nice to chat about baseball after the 5 year layoff it feels like we’ve had.
If there’s baseball I think the existing grid should be used. Was the alternative to give everyone a new draft grid and push the picks to 2021 or something?
Mins and maximums should be scaled, although I’d be ok with lowering the min IP even lower with the assumption that 6 man rotations will be the norm.
With larger MLB rosters and teams conscious of a seemingly higher risk of injury, I am for adding ~2 active roster spots and maybe a DL spot too. I expect more off days / platooning for mlb players and to keep up with minimums, our teams will either need to add players more regularly to keep up with whoever is starting that day or just allow greater roster flexibility
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| | | 148 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, May 20, 2020, 22:38
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i dont think we change the fundamentals of our league, but we do some sort of pro-rating, as long as Blake Snell and Bryce Harper approve of our actions.
we all already know how i feel about minimums, but with such a high level of uncertainty for this season, winning or losing a league championship on a technicality in a season that will already have an asterisk, would just suck.
there shouldn't be any minimums at all this season.
i'm on the fence about adding players, but if we do, i think it should be a level playing field, maybe adding one more hitter and one more pitcher to our rosters in a rapid fire supplemental draft AFTER our regular draft. one round for hitters one round for pitchers.
i also don't see how we adjust keepers. i traded away guys i would have otherwise kept, and i don't think it's now suddenly the time to change our keepers. i think that really throws fairness and previously made off season moves out the window.
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| | | 149 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, May 21, 2020, 13:05
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If the schedule is laced with a lot of doubleheaders, we might want to add a few active slots, but I don't think I would expand the overall roster size. Maybe an extra SP and an extra Util. Not sure if I like that idea or not, though. Will need to see an actual schedule before assessing.
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| | | 150 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 21, 2020, 18:14
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Me in 146: - "Do we consider adding any roster spots (assuming ESPN can accommodate!)?? If so, how many? And if so, do we add additional rounds to the supplemental draft or make it a fun free-for-all off the waiver wire?"
Guru in 149: "If the schedule is laced with a lot of doubleheaders, we might want to add a few active slots, but I don't think I would expand the overall roster size.
Good clarification and I don't think I worded mine well. I intended to suggest an actual expansion of the roster sizes because the pool of potential players is going to be so much bigger. I think the larger pool of players who have a legitimate chance at seeing material time (even if mostly in doubleheaders or via platoons) is a reasonable basis to have a larger roster size.
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| | | 151 | MattG
ID: 59422298
Fri, May 29, 2020, 09:23
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I think we adjust minimums as per the schedule adjustment, I don't think we adjust rosters or anything and that we treat the differences as a level playing field. We all have to deal with the different aspects of this season, opening up rosters spots just gives us an easy way out. Let's play around it.
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| | | 152 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Fri, May 29, 2020, 23:26
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I haven't thought deeply about any of it, but think I agree with most of what's been said. If I ever have a block of time to stop and think about fantasy, I'll chime in. Fingers crossed this will happen!
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| | | 153 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 09, 2020, 16:23
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I’m starting to think we like baseball more than the MLB Team owners do
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| | | 154 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 22:44
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Agreed. I think the players have made plenty of concessions. Just play an 80-game season and pay the players 50 percent of their salary and cut your losses with an eye toward gaining new fans in the year of Covid. Market and mic up your best players and start the season on July 4. This isn't that hard. You can promote the sport, gain new fans and recoup your losses in the future. Or you can piss off even your old fans and become the NHL.
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| | | 155 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 23:45
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Preach!
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| | | 156 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:49
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Not to get ahead of ourselves, because these negotiations could turn bad on a dime, but:
Is there a minimum number of games that should be played in order to have the 2020 G20 season?
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| | | 157 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jun 18, 2020, 17:49
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I’d love to play some fantasy no matter what. If it’s a cheapie season is the idea to just give everyone a flat/new supp pick board and save the picks originally from 2020 for 2021?
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| | | 158 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 00:34
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If baseball happens, we should play.
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| | | 159 | Species
ID: 10431316
Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 23:09
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Baseball is on (?)
We might have baseball. The owners have voted to impose a season. While the players could file a grievance, or COVID could rear its ugly head, for now G20 needs to get ready to play. There are a lot of ways we can go, including NOT playing the season (which so far has not received any support), but absent canceling the season, the one "decree" I am going to make for 2020 is --- if you decide not to play for 2020, for whatever reason, you will not be able to keep your franchise going forward.
I can appreciate how some of us:
- May feel unmotivated due to personal circumstances in the pandemic
- May feel too distanced from baseball during this 4 month pause
- May feel that a 60(ish) game season is non-representative of a true fantasy league championship
.......but when I consider what would happen if we did not play, I envision more complications than the problems above present.
If we do not change anything to accommodate the shorter season, we would pick up the league calendar where we left off:
- Prospect draft complete
- Existing supplemental draft grid to be used
- Supplemental draft to begin 14 days before opening day
- Minimum IP and GP would be pro-rated exactly to the same ratio of games to be played vs. 162
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We have 20 managers, each being affected in a different way due to the shortened season and the uncertainty of the pandemic. I am truly befuddled as to how to address the nuances of this fantasy league season fairly. In fact, I present that it is impossible to do so:
- some teams are older and highly impacted by the shortened season
- some teams are younger and at risk of arrested player development in the shortened season
- some teams are pick rich and might not get the value for their buck
- some rebuilding teams need a season to peddle their wares and continue their rebuilds
- add any number of nuances
So, I feel the best we can do is make some sort of agreement on any tweaks we can make to have the best 2020 we can, even though it is going to be imperfect and unfair to some.
I would like each owner to check in to note:
1) If there is a season, even a shortened 60-ish game season, are you in?
2) Add an idea or two as to how we might adjust this season to make it the best we can
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| | | 160 | Species
ID: 10431316
Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 23:15
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PS - a couple of other points
- The Supplemental Draft would start 14 days before the start of the season
- The keeper trade moratorium would continue for the first 13 days of the season
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| | | 161 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 00:08
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1) I am in for some G20 Baseball
2) the season can and will have many twists and turns but with all the crap going on we can hopefully all enjoy it for however long we get it. I won’t be taking it for granted and enjoy it for what it is.
Idea which might address some of the concerns raised above... push the original 2020 and 2021 supp draft boards back a year (exact 2020 picks become exact 2021 picks) and give the league a fresh slate of picks for this supp draft. This would:
- allow people to value this season as they want if they want to trade away/trade for “new” 2020 picks
- Those aging teams can probably easily trade for rebuild team’s “new” 2020 picks
- younger teams with a lot of prospects lose out on any minor league season, maybe they can trade these new picks for 2021 prospect slots or future capital
- allow the pick rich teams to get their value in a (hopefully) full 2021 season
Pretty much any team can get hot and win a 60 game season so it could be fun for a “sprint” season even if it will have a bit of an asterisk. Why not have some fun with it?
Would also like to expand active rosters by 2 or whatever, add a DH spot, lower maximums and minimums according to season scale.
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| | | 162 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 01:48
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1) I am in for a 60-game season.
2a) Draft as normal
2b) Keep jackpot in play for this season
2c) 10th keepers retain 10th keeper status in 2021
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| | | 163 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 01:54
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Almost forgot ...
2d) Save 2020 draft pick grid for 2021 season. Use another draft order for this season.
I have nothing to gain by doing this, but some of the guys in the league acquired picks with a full season in mind.
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| | | 164 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 10:07
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1) If there is a season, even a shortened 60-ish game season, are you in?
2) Add an idea or two as to how we might adjust this season to make it the best we can
1. yes.
2a. we have to have to have to get rid of minimums in such a shortened season. a lot of players may not play as much as they normally would due to a shortened season and a lack of real spring training, and i think it's important to take that into consideration.
just make it a true sprint, and let's not worry so much if our catcher played 60 games.
any potential demerits especially become null and void anyway if we're keeping the same draft grid (see below), so let's just play freakin' ball!
2b. Save 2020 draft pick grid for 2021 season.
Use the original draft order before trades for 2020, preserving those for 2021.
perhaps in the interest of fairness, don't allow anyone taken in this draft to be a keeper - they're all rentals, and get tossed back in for 2021.
2c. 10th keepers retain 10th keeper status in 2021
speaks for itself
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| | | 165 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 10:07
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I meant to say add a DL not DH spot... which has been called an IL spot for over a year now. I’m clearly in midseason form
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| | | 166 | DK6000
ID: 23512239
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 10:12
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1) I'm in for a 60 game season
2a) Supplemental Draft: I may be in the minority here, but I would prefer not to roll the supplemental draft board forward to 2021. As a rebuilding team that traded many of my supplemental picks this year (this was mainly the work of my predecessor), this would essentially push my plans back another year while my core still develops. I understand this is likely to be unpopular, just wanted to give an alternate perspective.
2b) What happens if certain players decide to opt-out this season? It seems likely that at least a few high profile players will do so. Could there be some kind of draft pick compensation in that case?
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| | | 167 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 10:45
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Definitely agree minimums shouldn’t count this yr or be drastically lowered.
If I 2020 keeper opts out of the 2020 season I think a “compensatory” round would be fair in a new 2020 board, if we do that
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| | | 168 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 11:15
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Agree that minimums should be waived.
I'd suggest that the prize pool be suspended for this season.
I'm conflicted about rolling the draft order forward to 2021. I can understand both sides.
Tree's ideas 2b and 2c are interesting - although being unable to keep anyone drafted this year seems potentially overdone. Maybe allow no more than one 2020 draftee to be kept for next year? And would this also apply to F/A pickups during the season? While the concept is interesting, I'm concerned about unforeseen adverse consequences.
I do like the idea of allowing 10th keepers to carry forward - though with full disclosure, I have a vested interest in that.
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| | | 169 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 12:32
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In my mind, Tree's "no 2020 draftee as a keeper" concept is one of the largest negatives to NOT playing the 2020 G20 season. There are too many moving parts.......too many new potential keepers that make their mark......let alone those older players reducing their keeper value by being a year older in 2021.
I would support waiving the minimums, but only if the Commissioner is empowered to act / assess penalties for obvious tanking or a team's lack of attention at all.
10th keepers - on the surface I like it, but the challenge there is that teams already spent the new draft pick and most already have 5 prospects. that said, the flip side is that, through no fault of the "10th keepering" team, with 60-ish games there is very little chance of eclipsing 300Ab. A potential option would be for any team that wishes to retain a 10th keeper for 2021 has to offset that with releasing a prospect from their prospect list.
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| | | 170 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 12:35
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In my mind we’re like frozen in time this year, so that’s why it makes sense to me to add in a new 2020 supp board and pushing the current one to 2021. Along with that, since there’s no MiLB season I would be for picking up 2021 where we left off 2020- post prospect draft but pre supplemental draft. This means that
- 10th keepers this yr would also be 10th keepers next year
- prospects drafted this year remain drafted without a prospect deadline or draft next year, as there wouldn’t be much new info on them
- the keepers should roughly be the same for 2021, but I think there should be some flexibility as some pitchers will get Tommy John this yr, for example
We’ve no idea who is sitting out 2020, if players contract the virus that cancels a chunk of the season, etc. So I think the best approach is to keep it light (no money pool is a good idea, not ruining player or prospect valuations) is the best approach
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| | | 172 | GO
ID: 141062421
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 12:59
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Here to play no matter what is decided.
If i was in charge? Freeze all prospects, draft picks to roll over to next years draft. Clean slate sprint (snake?) draft board. Throw out minimums, cause who cares, draft order can be still be based on 2019.
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| | | 173 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 13:43
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171 and 172 puts it in a perfectly succinct manner - it's a sprint, so let's just go in a traditional snake draft, and let 'er rip.
make this season just a cannonball run, a sort of extended post-season and everything else carries to 2021.
maybe's guru's idea on a limited number of new keepers is a better idea than my no keeper one.
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| | | 174 | GO
ID: 552592314
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 14:37
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Everyone gets an extra optional "COVID Keeper!" slot
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| | | 175 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 14:54
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If they announce an official season, I’d treat it like an official season. In all ways except minimums and maximums. If you traded for 2020 picks, then go ahead and try to win this thing.
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| | | 176 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 15:36
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If they play, I will play.
I don't have any contributions. Because I like post 168, 172 & 175 equally well.
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| | | 177 | Jon Dowd
ID: 235262315
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 16:26
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I'm in for this season and think the supp snake draft for 2020 and postponing the 2020 supp draft board to 2021 makes sense. Also in favor of no money pool is a good idea.
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| | | 178 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 18:02
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Thank you:
Thumper
Lyman
Tree
DK
Guru
GO
blue hen
Tosh
Jon Dowd
Glad to have heard from half of the league already. Excited to hear from everyone else when they get a chance to check in.
Given my hopes of contending and my relative lack of 2020 Supplemental Pick capital, I am going to stay mostly silent on the issue of whether we push out the existing 2020 Supplemental Draft grid to 2021. That said, I do want to ask those in favor of "pushing back" the 2020 Supplemental Draft grid to the 2021 Supplemental Draft to delve further into WHY this should be implemented:
How does the shorter season create a disadvantage to those with greater 2020 pick capital?
- is the pool of players different? (potentially, if "at risk" players do not play)
- do you have less of a chance of acquiring players to make a run at the 2020 title?
- do you have less of a chance of acquiring potential future keeper-level player (for rebuilders)?
I get it --- you only get 60 games of 'value' out of the player you draft. But, so does everyone else. It is equally relative to all 20 teams. The basic use of Supplemental Picks is to improve your team one way (to finish as high as possible) or another (to rebuild your team and find new emerging players).
One might say that a condensed season would be an advantageous one to have more pick capital. With only 60-ish games to be played, players may endure less risk of injury and you are more likely to get what you paid for - with pitching in particular.
So many ways to view the issue.....but I would like the viewpoint of pushing out the 2020 draft grid to 2021 to be explored further.
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| | | 179 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 19:16
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How does the shorter season create a disadvantage to those with greater 2020 pick capital?
for me, it's not as much as that, it's just that it's 1/3 the season. (not quite, but just about), and as a result, the whole thing is a complete crapshoot.
it's literally a different game.
we're bound to see players opt out. SPs will lucky to get 10 starts, many players who might play nearly every game of the season in a full schedule won't, and so forth.
heck, i'm not even convinced they'll finish the season.
i feel strongly that moves made were made in anticipation of standards and variables we can anticipate, not ones we can't (such as a Pandemic), and this season should just be a fun sprint and the chips fall where they may - not the intensity of a normal season.
just roll the dice and go go go.
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| | | 180 | darkside
ID: 15472318
Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 19:47
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+1 on Tosh’s 176. I’m in, but just want to play and don’t have a strong enough opinion to argue against any of the other good ideas. That said, no minimums makes tons of sense.
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| | | 181 | MattG
ID: 59422298
Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 07:44
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I see this season as almost a freebie. For the smaller amount pay leagues, it's a fun season, sprint, try something new. For my big money leagues, it's all about taking advantage of the short schedule and piling stats. It changes strategy for everyone, but we all have the same schedule and challenges to work with.
I will say this, the short season actually benefits those who may not have been as competitive in a normal 162 game season. Over time, over the expectations of a normal season, things tend to work themselves out. Players tend to gravitate towards their averages and expected stats. "They are who we thought they were."
In a short season this benefits everyone, its certainly wide open and makes it that much more fun for someone like me in a rebuild. I just need to get lucky for a few weeks, rather than a few months.
So lets just remove the minimums and have at it. Can't wait!
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| | | 182 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 11:31
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I tend to say just go business as usual and use the draft board. If things had shut down a week later, we would have already drafted. My other keeper leagues had already drafted.
But I see the point of folks with alot of draft capital feeling its wasted this year. So an alternative, instead of a snake draft, is a straight draft using the standard draft order. No traded picks used, and everyone gets them next year.
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| | | 183 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 13:47
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In response to 178, tree said a good bit of what I feel. I wouldn’t be shocked if there are several reasons teams don’t make it to 60 games. If you take 60 game segments from last year, Nerf would’ve won the first 60, species the middle and Meatwads would’ve won the last 60. Its anyone’s game and I think it’s a fun opportunity for a “freebie” season. Imagine if a list comes out and half your keepers opt out from this season?
I personally prefer to enjoy this year for what it is, not take it overly serious and take it one day at a time
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| | | 184 | Species
ID: 351051122
Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 15:27
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Good points on whether to push out the 2020 grid to 2021. Obviously by pushing the grid out a year gives teams like my own and Meatwads a big push in value by not losing any picks.
We will end up voting on this one for sure. It will take a majority to do so. I assume trading of these new picks would be unrestricted.
Several other ideas are still out there to be considered.
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| | | 185 | youngroman
ID: 515013
Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 16:25
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I'm in. I still believe that we won't see a season this year because there are still too many new cases, even among MLB personnel. will be surprised if all teams get near to 60 games this season. we could start a betting game how long it takes for the first regular season game to get suspended due to COVID.
disadvantages I see if we just continue:
- 10th keepers are worth much less this season. sucks for teams that have 1 or more of them (like me). we only see 10th keepers for 60 games. in some cases these players will be keepers in 2021 no matter what, but I guess there are also some where their managers wanted to see how they do in the big leagues. this makes keeper decisions for 2021 tougher because of the much smaller sample size. don't know if this is good or bad for the average manager.
- some keepers may sit out due to health (own or family) or other concerns (injury, expiring contract or money). we already know some of them: Syndergaard, Sale. some others may follow, for example due to the first pregnancy of their wives (Trout, Cole)
- any given day the league can get suspended or cancelled due to some positive tests. and they happen every day. there were over 40 cases in the last week alone. I thought these players/staff members would act responsibly when the 2020 season is on the line, but it seems that it is not easy for a lot of them. looking at the curve of the US I don't see this changing anytime soon. This topic depends a lot on the enforced protocols. looking at other US sports this looks not too encouraging: Nascar and PGA tour all had multiple cases since last week. small comparison: the number of positive COVID tests in German and Austrian Soccer since they announced the restart 2 months ago: zero. different world. different political leaders. different interests. different mindset.
- due to expanded rosters, some players will probably sit more often or will not play too deep into a game.
- extra innings will start with a runner on 2nd. this will reduce the necessity of starters going too many innings. they may not even qualify for the win most of the time.
- what do we do if the season gets cancelled in August ? do we just continue, resulting in managers that invested into this season (pre COVID) getting pissed. do we revert to a previous state? which one?
Because of all that uncertainty, playing this season does not look fair. Therefore I am open to the idea of pushing back everything for 1 season and simply continue with the 2021 draft. we may do a just-for-fun-type league this season to keep us busy & entertained and allow 1 or 2 of our current keepers getting substituted by players from the shortened 2020 season, so that these 2 months are not completely worthless.
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| | | 186 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Wed, Jun 24, 2020, 17:56
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I am certainly down to play, but am skeptical a season will happen. How will the Blue Jays get out of Canada? Not sure how we would handle prospect maximums, since there won’t be typical Super Two call-up dates, most minor leaguers won’t play this year, and the ones who are on the extended squad taxi could end up being overused. Freezing everything sounds like a good call.
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| | | 187 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 09:35
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Changing my mind on earlier post. This isn’t normal. No idea what to do.
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| | | 188 | Tree
ID: 571142323
Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 12:53
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BTW, ESPN is instituting a number of changes due to the shortened season, including position eligibiity, default number of IL spots, trade deadline, etc.
The latter two I believe can be altered on our end, but the position eligibiity changes could make for some interesting players in 2021.
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| | | 189 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 16:38
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I'm somewhat skeptical that they'll be able to play at all with all these players testing positive. And frankly lack the usual enthusiasm I have for the game.
Personally I've found other ways to occupy the time I usually dedicate towards fantasy baseball.
Plus I was really turned off with the negotiations of billionaires fighting with millionaires over money.
That said, I'll follow through with whatever season we have this year.
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| | | 190 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 20:48
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I’m in no matter what. I kinda like the snake idea just because this season will be a wash no matter what. I definitely think many teams will just dump if we play it like any other year.
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| | | 191 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 02:40
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With Covid numbers again spiking and growing uncertainty that MLB will even be able to complete a 60-game schedule, I can't imagine how not saving for 2021 the 2020 draft grid while retaining 10th keepers, without penalty or cost of a minor league slot, can be explained away.
To me, the focus should be on how are we going to determine a draft order for 2020 and whether or not we can keep in 2021 the players we draft in 2020. I think it would be cool if we could at least keep a couple players chosen in the 2020 draft. A lot can happen in a 60-game season + playoffs + offseason. That's eight months between the 2020 and 2021 drafts. Would be a tough pill to swallow if you had to go into the March 2021 draft with an arm you chose to keep 12 months earlier but that had TJ Surgery in the offseason.
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| | | 192 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 09:56
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I'm somewhat skeptical that they'll be able to play at all with all these players testing positive. And frankly lack the usual enthusiasm I have for the game.
Personally I've found other ways to occupy the time I usually dedicate towards fantasy baseball.
Plus I was really turned off with the negotiations of billionaires fighting with millionaires over money.
i'm 100 percent on this.
i've been playing a LOT of Out of the Park Baseball, and while i do miss the social aspect of fantasy baseball, it's been a blast building the Texas Rangers into a dynasty :D
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| | | 193 | GO
ID: 14143919
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 08:41
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So we have good players declaring they will opt out of playing this sesson... Ian Desmond, Zimmerman, Ross just in the last 24 hours... and we aren't going to let people adjust keepers?
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| | | 194 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 09:25
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i think this is just the tip of the iceberg, and we may begin leaning towards not even playing the fantasy season, much less adjusting keepers.
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| | | 195 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 10:19
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I’d like to play no matter what, even if half my keepers opt out. Im craving the entertainment. Just allow folks to keep whoever they draft or trade for this season like normal
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| | | 196 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 00:20
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I’m bored and came up with an idea.
-Freeze teams completely until end of 2020 season. Carry over draft from 2020 to 2021.
-Allow managers to opt out of this season. They will not lose their spot in this league unless the want to.
-Allow teams to only keep 5 players from their 2020 keepers or prospect list. They will not lose the other players but they will be eligible to be on other teams for this season only.
-Managers secretly rank all other teams keepers in order(1 through however many teams we have). Use that secret ranking to determine snake order.
-After order is determined trades can be made but none can affect future seasons. All 2020 keepers and prospects that were declared in March will be returned to their original teams after the 2020 season.
That or just freeze teams and just have a complete redraft for this year. Would be mindless but fun(drafting other teams keepers and then beating them) and managers could opt out without losing their spot in this league.
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| | | 197 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 23:35
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G20 friends:
Yeah, so I have to admit to being way to singularly minded as we start to consider what 2020 will look like. I immediately go into "how does this impact my strategy to WIN under whatever rules the league decides" mode. The hard reality is that there is a pretty high likelihood of a start-and-stop season at best and an abandoned season at worst.
I fully agree that the 2020 draft grid needs to be pushed to 2021.
I am in support of a way to roll back 10th keeper decisions --- but strongly believe that teams then have to give up the same number of subsequently drafted prospects with the picks earned by 10th keepering. In other words, if you didn't 10th keeper that prospect, you wouldn't have had an additional pick(s) to draft more. I fully recognize that this option both:
1) affected the 2020 prospect draft itself because prospects that 10th keepering teams drafted reduced the number of prospects on subsequent teams' draft boards
2) benefits those with 2021 picks because legitimate prospects get thrown back into the pool.
But what are our options?
My initial preference is to play out as much 2020 as we can as normally as we can and give managers free reign to pick as any number of keepers from the 2020 season as they want. I need to hear the rationale for limiting keepers from whatever truncated season we are about to play.
If the season is going to start July 24th -- that means we would have to start the Supplemental Draft by July 10th!! I am concerned that not enough teams have checked in. I need your help. Email / text your buddy and ask them to make themselves heard!
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| | | 198 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 08:53
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Super excited to get drafting soon!
Not too concerned about teams who got to pick a prospect because they got a 10th keeper, and potentially could 10th them next year if that’s agreed. That prospect isn’t getting any MiLB team to really separate themselves from a prospect that would be picked next year, if the team chooses to keep them. I was of the opinion that 10th keepers and prospects kept/drafted this offseason should retain their status as 10th keeper or prospect without requiring 2021 p picks to retain them, but can see validity in both sides.
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| | | 199 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 17:09
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I'm now leaning to Bmd's idea in 196, and probably just the last paragraph.
Just set up a completely separate league for 2020, and let 'er rip. If teams want to sit out, that's fine.
I think things are just too much in flux to allow this season to have any lasting effects (although of course, all players will be a year older for 2021).
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| | | 200 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 20:11
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+1 to Guru's 199. Let's not invest much in a season that is highly unlikely to actually finish (IMO).
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| | | 201 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 23:08
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I support that idea- keeping 5 players, nothing impacts future seasons.
Although honestly, I’m having a hard time getting excited and don’t think we’ll finish the season. Plus dubious we can start a real draft in 5 days.
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| | | 202 | Tree
ID: 571142323
Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 23:57
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I echo 201.
I mean, i miss the eff out of baseball. I miss the eff out of fantasy sports.
But I just feel that even if we have a season, it'll be as abysmal as watching pro wrestling (something I dearly love) without fans in the stands, in that I simply can't imagine the Crack of the Bat, without the Roar of the Crowd.
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| | | 203 | GO
ID: 552592314
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 09:21
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You can always go old school and bring on a live draft a few nights before?
Everything rolls to next season like this never happened.
Keep 5 for CFL -- 2020 Covid Fun League
Live Draft
Trades of players only for in-season CFL, no impact on keeper selection or draft picks for next year
Throw out minimums cause everyone should be shooting their shot
Prospect accumulated stats this season don't impact 10th keeper eligibility
That was fun... and in December its back to the future like it was 2019 December all over again.
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| | | 204 | Species
ID: 10431316
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 12:32
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G20: It seems we need to cancel the 2020 season. I cannot get teams to even check in, let alone prepare for a potential Supplemental Draft in a week. Some decisions we have to make:
1) Do rosters roll back to what we had at the end of 2019, with the ability to adjust keepers at the 2021 keeper deadline?
2) Trades?? When are they allowed again? My first thought is that trades are banned through the end of whatever 2020 season we have. If we have a mixed bag of interest in fantasy baseball in the pandemic, it would seem inequitable to have some teams paying attention and some not.
3) 10th Keepers - I agree 10th keepers should not be impacted by the ABs they receive this year. However, I do believe that teams that want to have 10th keepers available to remain 10th keepers in 2021 need to reduce their existing stable of prospects by the same number of prospects that they return to the prospect list. There should never be more than 100 prospects on the prospect list.
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I am fully open to a 'just for fun' version of the league for 2020. I am not going to run it, so if anyone would like to, please feel free to step up to volunteer.
My best to you and your families.
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| | | 205 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 12:50
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10th keepers are announced prior to the prospect draft. If a team wants to carry forward a 10th keeper designation into 2021, then why should that force a reduction in prospects? I assume that if a player was designated in 2020 as a 10th keeper, then that player cannot be "unrenounced" in 2021.
For the 2021 season, we start with the assumption that players previously designated as 10th keepers will retain that status. Prior to the 2021 prospect draft, if a team wants to designate any other 10th keepers from its stable of prospects, and/or renounce any other prospects, it can do that as well. We then proceed with the 2021 prospect draft, as usual, and move on from there.
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| | | 206 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 13:11
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Let's find a solution that covers all prospects (not just 10th keepers) since their AB/IP minimums are career cumulative. If we disregard 2020 stats from any prospect that plays this year, we will be doing math for a while. Maybe list their negative balance next to their name on the prospect list. example: Michael Kopech has 14.1 IP and he pitches 30 IP in 2020. Put a (-30 IP next to his name), so when you look at his career numbers in 2021 and it says 44.1, you know to subtract the 30.
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| | | 207 | MattG
ID: 59422298
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 13:20
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I am in for the CFL 2020...
I agree with Guru, nothing should revert back, we did the work for the prospect draft it should only be if we want to add players to the roster as per usual 10th keeper than so be it.
Supp draft proceeds as usual.
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| | | 208 | Species
ID: 10431316
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 13:20
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To be clear, my point on 10th keepers in post 204 is my opinion as one manager. Whatever we choose will be decided as a group.
205: If a team wants to carry forward a 10th keeper designation into 2021, then why should that force a reduction in prospects?
Because those teams that called up and renounced prospects opened up new prospect picks to be used in the Prospect Draft. If they did not 10th keeper those prospects, they would not have had those picks to use in the first place. In my eyes, that is 'having your cake and eating it too'.
Since the creation of the prospect draft and prospect list, the total number of prospects has always been either 60 (originally) or 100 (as of 2020). If we were to allow 10th keepers to remain prospects on the prospect list (to then be able to be called up to the main roster as a '10th keeper'), we would exceed that limit that has been the basis of the rule since inception.
I look froward to additional points of view.
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| | | 209 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 13:35
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The simplest/fairest solution on prospects is that they retain their exact placement as they are a year from now. That means no 2021 prospect deadline or draft. If 2020 G20 is cancelled then people angling for their 10th keepers to compete should have them as prospects in 2021. No 2021 p draft also ensures no one is adding to their lot to receive the benefit of 2 year’s of 10th keepers. Also gives prospect heavy teams slack on the fact their prospects aren’t developing this year so they won’t need to push them they another deadline.
Regarding question 1 in <204>, I don’t think we can roll back rosters to 2019 end of season considering the amount of offseason trades already done. If possible, it would make sense to use 2020’s keepers and 2020’s pre-keeper cuts by team as the 2020/2021 offseason pool.
Happy to help with management in whatever version of G20 2020 season we have.
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| | | 210 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 13:59
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my suggestion is that everything freezes as it is right now. all trades, keepers, prospect drafts, etc, almost as if 2020 didn't happen.
We carry the supplemental draft order as is, over to 2021.
And here's a prospect suggestion - next year, we do the prospect draft at the All-Star Break, and we base the order on the standings in our league at the ASB. Five rounds as normal. But for 2022, you gotta make those cuts to get to your prospect limit, and whoever gets thrown back gets thrown back into the prospect pool, which will make the 2022 prospect draft a bit like a super prospect draft.
I'd be all in for some super sprint for this season - and either we do a complete this year only re-draft, or we do something crazy like everyone owner takes over managing a different franchise for the rest of this season, and we draft as if we have the keepers from that franchise.
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| | | 211 | Species
ID: 10431316
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 14:45
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209 makes sense. If there is no 2021 prospect draft, then there are no picks to be unwound. Traded prospect picks for 2021 get pushed out to 2022.
206 is an interesting point. My initial reaction is that the only time 2020 AB/IP/GP are ignored / deleted would be if it impacts a prospect's eligibility for the 2021 prospect keeper deadline. From there, a manager needs to play by the normal rules going forward. Again, as with everything, this is up for discussion.
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| | | 212 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 14:46
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196, 199-I'm prepared to opt out of any 2020 season if that becomes an option.
Restart the off season in December or whenever and look towards resuming in 2021.
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| | | 213 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 15:22
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I am struggling with the 10th prospect thing. If I retain Kieboom and Nate Lowe as 10th keepers next year, am I being forced to drop two of Franco, Brujan, Vaughn, Abrams and Noelvi? I would be keeping Kieboom and Lowe as 10th keepers in 2021 just as I would have in 2020. If I am being penalized in 2021 by either dropping Kieboom and Lowe or one of my 5 MiLB players, I certainly don't understand why.
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| | | 214 | Species
ID: 10431316
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 17:07
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213: Maybe not. Thumper's idea of SKIPPING next year's prospect draft and, in essence, starting the 2021 season right where we left off at the moment the Prospect Draft was completed makes a lot of sense to me. I am just trying to review as many of the scenarios as I can.
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| | | 215 | MattG
ID: 59422298
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 19:25
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214: that was my understanding as well.
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| | | 216 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 20:47
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213: Maybe not. Thumper's idea of SKIPPING next year's prospect draft and, in essence, starting the 2021 season right where we left off at the moment the Prospect Draft was completed makes a lot of sense to me. I am just trying to review as many of the scenarios as I can.
this is how i understood it as well, which is why i suggested a midseason prospect draft next season.
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| | | 217 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 13:19
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I agree 100 percent that we should begin the 2021 season where we left off in spring 2020.
I know we just decided last year to bump up our farm teams to 5 prospects per team. Maybe in 2021 we bump that number to 6 per team so we can have a one-round prospect draft???
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| | | 218 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 13:54
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216: We always used to hold our p-draft over the ASB until recent years.
In 2022 we can return to the usual draft times.
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| | | 219 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:48
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Okay, so the concept of "time warping" to March 2021 and beginning the next G20 season at that time is an overwhelming favorite as to what we do right now. If anyone has objections, speak now or forever hold your peace. I have been prodding managers to have their say, so if you are silent, after multiple email reminders, then that is on you. Your silence equates to a positive vote towards this course of action.
What this means is:
- The 2020 and 2021 draft grids and pick trades each get pushed out one year
- The 'new' 2021 draft grid will be exactly as it shows in our link above. Everything already applied at the time COVID hit - demerits, lottery, trades - will continue to apply in 2021
- We will pick up where we left off: keepers set (although with a potential adjustment - see below); a completed Prospect Draft (with full compliment of 100 prospects); preparing to launch the Supplemental Draft; and in the midst of our trade moratorium
- 10th keepers would be unaffected by the GP/IP/AB they receive during the 2020 season. Ignoring of GP/IP/AB would only apply to 10th keepers and not other prospects on the prospect list.
- However, I am advocating for the opportunity to adjust keepers. There are just too many real-life trades, retirements and injuries 12 months after you made a decision that greatly impact a 20-team Dynasty League such as this. I have a hard time cementing a team into a decision from 12 months ago.
- We also must decide as a group whether to allow trades and whether those trades may impact 2021 keepers.
Keeper Discussion:
I advocate for the ability - at a minimum - to adjust keepers by way of substitution from your locked roster at the end of 2019. I think this flexibility equally applies between contenders and rebuilders:
Contenders: If you leaned on aging veterans, losing a year of a player's useful productive baseball life is a material change. Admittedly this perspective does specifically apply to my team (Morton, Scherzer, Santana) but may equally apply to others. Contenders could have been impacted in other ways as well -- i.e. Thumper has Scott Kingery, who in a non-COVID year was likely to have a full time gig at 3rd base for Philly. Now, in COVID with no minor league baseball, the Phillies might move up the timetable of stud prospect Alec Bohm at 3b instead.
Rebuilders: You might have kept an emerging prospect or former utility player slated to take a full-time open spot in a team's lineup.......only to have trades happen during our shortened 2020 season or during the 2020 offseason that might significantly alter that player's value. You might have had a stud SP prospect (heck, or an established star P) blow out their arm in the 2020 season and be shelved for all of 2021.
To me, there are too many variables to not allow adjustments to keepers in such a deep dynasty league.
Trades:
My vision for a trading policy would be to ban trades through the end of whatever 2020 regular season we have. If COVID cancels the regular season at some point, we can simply deem the end of the 2020 regular season to be September 30th, and starting October 1st offseason trades from your ending 2019 roster, your prospect list and all prospect and supplemental picks would be back on the table. All picks would be from the existing draft grid would be the starting base form which those trades occur.
We would then have a normal keeper deadline in early March, start the keeper trade moratorium again, skip the prospect draft and start the supplemental draft and hopefully enjoy an amazing 2021 season.
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| | | 220 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 12:26
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I support this proposal.
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| | | 221 | beastiemiked
ID: 35282121
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 14:16
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Sounds like a good proposal. My only concern would be knowing who was on who’s roster for the keeper substitutes. Is that roster history stored somewhere?
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| | | 222 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 15:05
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that proposal seems reasonable.
i still like my idea of swapping teams for 2020 with someone else. or at least keepers. :D
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| | | 223 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 15:55
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221: From the G20 League Page, you can change from the 2020 season to the 2019 season. Once there, you can access the final roster of all teams.
If we adopt this, I can just copy the final rosters from 2019 onto our 2020 team rosters, allowing trades and keepers to be run just like it was any other year. Waivers / FA pickups would be banned of course.
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| | | 224 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 15:59
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Good proposal!
Who wants to step up and run this pseudo G20 year?
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| | | 225 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 16:14
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So sad that the best option is to do nothing.
So just before the draft, I traded a prospect pick for Edwin Encarnacion. That draft pick has now been used. Since I didn't have him at the end of 2019, do I still have Encarnacion now?
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| | | 226 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 16:31
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Sounds fine to me. I would advocate for running the 2020 ESPN league as is, each team with just the keepers and 10th's, and see what happens. Maybe a mini-prize for the winner of that?
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| | | 227 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 17:59
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225: You're right Tosh. Let me reword that:
The intent would be to take your existing set of keepers (no matter how acquired) and then ADD leftover players from your 2019 ending roster until you have a full roster. Some teams may have too few, while others may have an extra or two. Those teams would have to decide to release their interest so as to keep within the maximum roster of 23.
Taking that a step further, some teams ended 2019 with more than 23 players due to legally having players on the IL at season's end. In all cases, the "revamped" 2020 rosters are capped at 23, so managers over that number must release their interests in enough players to meet the maximum roster number.
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| | | 228 | MattG
ID: 59422298
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 20:59
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100% support Species proposal
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| | | 229 | Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 21:10
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I agree with most of 219, except I oppose replacing keepers. Although I agree, losing a year of Verlander or Donaldson does hurt. Everything else is fine.
I’m out for 2020, in any form.
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| | | 230 | WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 23:19
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I support Species' proposal.
Open to participating in the pseudo league.
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| | | 231 | Tree
ID: 571142323
Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 00:39
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While we're doing a one off, any chance we wanna test a new platform something like Fantrax.
I've heard it's strong for leagues like ours, including draft pick trading and multi-team trading.
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| | | 232 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 08:16
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I’ll do Fantrax if you wanna set it up and run it :D
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| | | 233 | mjd
ID: 34954210
Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 16:40
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Ditto 229
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| | | 234 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 04:00
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Count me as a supporter of the Proposal in Post 219.
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| | | 235 | DK6000
ID: 66391114
Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 15:39
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Sounds like a good plan to me
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| | | 236 | Jon Dowd
ID: 166131211
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:13
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I'm in for the 219 proposal
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| | | 237 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 14:19
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So I guess for 2020 we’ll play with your keepers/10th keepers/prospects only? Cool with me- might be too late to do a slow draft anyway
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| | | 238 | Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:40
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For the record, I'm out for a 2020 season mini league. Just not feeling optimistic about MLB finishing, or maybe even starting, a 60-game season. So many variables. Hard to get excited about that. I'll be watching the messageboard though, and am all in for 2021 of course.
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| | | 239 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:45
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This sounds fine to me. It is unfortunate that high-level prospects will accrue GP/IP, but I guess we are all in the same boat. What happens if a current prospect passes maximums during the shortened 2020 season? Can we promote him as an additional 10th keeper in 2021 or do we have to include him in our reshuffled 9?
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| | | 240 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:56
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Also, how we will handle 2021 p-picks that have already been traded? Since it is sounding like there will be no 2021 p-draft.
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| | | 241 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 18:59
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Also, if the 2020 s-draft grid replaces the 2021 s-draft grid, are 2021 s-picks that have already been traded fast forwarded to 2022?
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| | | 242 | Species
ID: 10431316
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 19:58
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239: My vision is that all prospects are in the same boat. BEFORE COVID, every team decided to retain or call up their prospects at the keeper deadline. I don't believe COVID altered any team's plans one way or the other. But to answer your question, any prospects that were already on the prospect list are treated the same as any other season.
240: 2021 P-picks now become 2022 p-picks.
241: 2021 traded s-picks now become 2022 s-picks.
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| | | 243 | Fosten
ID: 381352110
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 20:17
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Understood. Back to my Michael Kopech example. He currently has 14.1 IP. If he pitches 96 innings this year, he would have 110.1 IP. By our usual rules, he would be ineligible to retain prospect status next season, and would need to be included in next year's 9 keepers. Not sure how many prospects are close to that limit, so not sure we need to worry about it, but seems worth monitoring.
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| | | 244 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 20:56
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so, there's no interest in a mid-season 2021 ASB prospect draft to catch up?
we'd rather have a deeeep prospect draft in 2022?
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| | | 245 | Species
ID: 10431316
Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 22:18
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243: I am confused by your question. Tree chose to keep Kopech as a prospect keeper when we thought we were having a 162 game season. Is there a perceived disadvantage now that we have a 60-game season?
As has been suggested, AB/GP/IP figures for 10th keepers will be ignored in this season, so any and all of them can be 10th keepered for 2021.
244: We have a full year to consider your suggestion. Doesn't have to be vetted out now.
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| | | 246 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 08:32
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there feels like there's a whole bunch of conversation diluting the waters.
1. bottom line, for the intents and purposes of the G20 timeline, MLB 2020 didn't happen. nothing that happens this season from a statistical perspective affects our game world?
2. Michael Kopech isn't playing this year. He's not hitting any sort milestones this season, and there is genuine concern over whether he'll actually ever pitch again. Actually, there are even more important concerns over his mental health right now, so let's change that example.
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| | | 247 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 10:41
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Easiest way to understand is whatever designation a prospect or 10th keeper has today will be the same designation for 2021, no matter how much they play this season.
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| | | 248 | DK6000
ID: 66391114
Tue, Jul 14, 2020, 09:07
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Sounds like a good plan to me
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| | | 249 | Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 14:54
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G20:
Keeping my fingers crossed that we will be able to enjoy a bit of Baseball in this crazy COVID world. As outlined in Post 219 (and clarified in 227), I have done the following to our rosters and constitution:
1) Removed 10th keepers from team rosters. This is necessary to re-populate rosters with their pre-keeper players so they have players to choose from for the 2021 keeper deadline.
2) Added 10th keepers to our list of prospects as a separate entry onto the Prospect List to indicate which teams retain 10th keeper rights to those players.
2a) 10th keeper status may NOT be amended between now and the 2021 season. We will resume the 2021 season with the Prospect Keeper Deadline having passed, 10th keepers announced and our Prospect Draft complete.
2b) Any AB, GP or IP accumulated by already announced 10th keepers will be ignored. All existing 10th keepers will retain eligibility going into 2021.
2c) Some players who were eligible for our 2020 Prospect Draft were on a team's ending 2019 / pre-keeper 2020 roster. Any of those such players that were then drafted in our 2020 prospect draft WERE NOT added to that team's roster for 'this' season. But, I may miss some. Prospect list takes precedence.
3) I have added to every team's roster - as closely as I can - their 2020 roster as it stood before keepers were run. My process was to use the 2019 ending roster as a base, and try to consider players traded in the offseason that did not ultimately get kept by the receiving team. My intent in this "time warp" season was to reset rosters to their 2020 pre-keeper state.
Alex Verdugo is one notable example of a player that was traded but not kept by the receiving team. I believe I accurately put him on DK's team. He is obvious, but there could be other, more obscure players that I missed. Let's face it, in this imperfect solution to a lost season, some scrub today could evolve into a keeper worthy player. Someone coming out of nowhere to become a stud closer during this 2020 season is a prime example -- a team could have streamed a reliever on the last day of 2019 and they turn into 2020's version of Liam Hendriks.
I know I will miss some. Perhaps many. Please audit your own rosters and advise of any players that were on your roster at the Keeper Deadline. Those belong to you.
4) Waivers / free agent pickups are forbidden. Any found will be reversed.
5) Trades are forbidden until October 1st. At that point we will consider ourselves in the offseason, and all players, picks, prospects and keepers are all fair game for offseason trades.
6) The existing draft grid will be used to start 2021. Previously traded 2021 picks will be pushed out to 2022.
7) The 2021 prospect draft pick trades will be pushed out to 2022. While there is a suggestion to have an interim prospect draft at the All Star game of 2021, at this moment that is only a discussion piece.
8) 2021 keepers will be run like any other year. We all have something resembling our roster before keepers were run in 2020. Once the 2020 offseason hits, it is open season on trades, and you may adjust / choose your keepers for 2021 with whatever roster you have assembled at that time.
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Hopefully that covers all of the relevant points of our 2020 reset / time warp / whatever. If you have any concerns or questions - or better yet a correction to your roster - please advise.
Best wishes to you and your families.
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| | | 250 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 15:05
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Dawel Lugo as the only 3b on my roster, FTW!
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| | | 251 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 17:10
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Thanks Species- that was a mountain pile of work I am sure. It will be fun to see who can win G20 with their keepers and their old depth!
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| | | 252 | Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 02:42
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Yes, many thanks, Species, for taking the time to explain everything ... and concisely.
I'm all in for a pre-keeper roster run at the 2020 title! I miss seeing Kieboom and Nate Lowe on the roster though.
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| | | 253 | MattG
ID: 59422298
Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 08:34
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I have no pitching... Price and Severino dead... lol
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| | | 254 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 11:27
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Great year to see if it is valid to not even deploy a catcher
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| | | 255 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 15:50
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It will be interesting to see if I can repeat my first 60 games from last year.
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| | | 256 | Species
ID: 10431316
Tue, Jul 21, 2020, 21:36
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LOL........was wondering why my roster is so short. I did two separate 3-for-1 trades and the cupboard is bare AF!!
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| | | 257 | GO
ID: 552592314
Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 09:42
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1st Place and 3 offers already for Giancarlo! He is available... looking for SP or a non 3B infield. Get a deal agreed now and we'll process it for Christmas.
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| | | 258 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 12:46
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6 of my 9 starters are on teams that have postponed games. Good times!
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| | | 259 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Jul 31, 2020, 17:06
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I'm still waiting for an official at bat from my 3B slot.
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| | | 260 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 13:59
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Can’t wait to start trade talks again
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| | | 261 | DK6000
ID: 1583189
Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 10:03
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Sounds like a good plan to me
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| | | 262 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 11:07
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as this season starts to wind down, i just discovered an error in the supp draft grid above, as i acquired Thumper's first found pick in this trade from this thread
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Tree receives
Corbin Burnes, SP, MIL
Thumper’s 2020 1st round supplemental pick
Thumper receives
Jean Segura, SS, PHI
Joey Lucchesi, SP, SD
(i may have brought it up before, but don't want to let it get lost to time and COVID).
also, Thumper, you can probably add this to your list of trades that on hindsight don't look so great...
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| | | 263 | Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 14:35
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I won G20! Yay? Okay, so not really, but sort of!
If anything, it validates all the good things I did in 2019. My first two picks of the draft in 2019 were my two best players in 2020 (Lowe, Maeda). I also had some strong performances from guys I wasn't going to keep in 2020 (C Frazier, Gregorius, Colome), that may hold some value in 2021, and one that maybe I shouldn't have kept, and now have a second chance to evaluate (Bumgarner).
I was also lucky with injuries/COVID, only losing Soler and Chapman for any significant time. And finally, a couple guys I happened to take in the last week of 2019 to bolster some stats happened to have good seasons (Mahle and Miller).
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| | | 264 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 14:42
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congrats on the win - and it's not a sort of. you won, we all had similar disadvantages, so i would definitely call it a legit win.
I'm pretty happy with how some of my guys developed (although not thrilled with the late seasons injuries to Lamet and Burnes), and perplexed with how to deal with some of the big surprises this season, good and bad (Sal Perez and Jesus Aguilar coming up big, Joey Gallo and Willie Calhoun disappearing, for starters).
anyway, great job! i took 8th, which i'm happy with especially considering my prospects and 10th keepers, and my draft picks.
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| | | 265 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 12:56
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Congrats Nerf!
Who wants to kick off the offseason trading? As Tree points out, I’m bad at them
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| | | 266 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 13:08
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Minor rule change proposals before I forget
1. Allowing 10th keepers to be eligible for the IL spot. I think only actual keepers are IL eligible now, and we will have more 10th keepers in the future with the prospect expansion and extra carry over year of 10th keeper eligibility
2. A switch to yahoo. I’ve had multiple cases in ESPN leagues where it wouldn’t even save my roster changes for the day after setting it, which is infuriating when your SP has a great day on the bench
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| | | 267 | GO
ID: 517342812
Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 15:06
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Can we fit this many teams on Yahoo? That would be the first potential disqualifier. It is a better platform though, I agree.
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| | | 268 | Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Oct 01, 2020, 14:31
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Can we fit this many teams on Yahoo?
they say 12 team max, but i'm in one league with 13 teams, so who knows....
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