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Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2021 Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Species - SuperDude [07724916] Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 16:08

Congratulations to everyone for a mostly uneventful Supplemental Draft. I thank you all for your diligence as well as praise you for your expertise. Everyone is damned well up to date on rotations, position battles, prospects and injuries because players did not fall in this draft. Like at all.

Because of our slow draft process and how we pick players up from the FA list during our draft, it does not allow us to place the undrafted players on to waivers, which is standard for our league. Our workaround is to re-input the draft after the fact, after which all undrafted players go on waivers. Tosh will be working on that TODAY, so you may receive notice that the "draft has been entered".

Once we have all been notified that the draft has been re-entered (most likely via email, but either Tosh or I will post here to this effect as well), our year begins in earnest and all normal mechanics of the Fantasy Baseball year are open for business -- with the exception of our Keeper Trade Moratorium. Per our rules, players in your original 9 keepers may not be traded for 30 days from the Keeper Deadline. As such, Keepers may not be traded until April 13th.

Another league matter for me to correct would be the 2022 draft grids. Sadly for Jon Dowd, Code Toothpick and Vampireweekend, Meatwads in particular mortgaged the farm during his 2019 season. Those trades need to be honored, so I will be updating the draft grid to show what picks each of you have to work with as we start our 2021 season. I will do so in the same manner in which we distributed the 2021 draft picks....whatever Greggo / JD / Meatwads had left gets distributed evenly between VW / JD / CT.

Best of luck this season. May the best manager win!!!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 17:22

2022 Prospect Draft Grid udpate:

To avoid confusion of who has what, I will be updated both draft grids so the Expansion Draft participants in particular know what they have to work with.

Thankfully, there were only 2 trades from the departing/expansion draft franchises involving their Prospect Draft picks:

1) Jon Dowd traded away his first (shown as 1.09 in this example)
2) Meatwads ACQUIRED a first (from me - shown as 1.20)

So, to start the 2021 G20 season, each of the Expansion Draft participants have a full compliment of 1st through 5th round Prospect Picks to play with.

You will notice that I added parentheses next to all traded and expansion picks. Those picks in bold in the new Prospect Draft Grid are traded picks. You can see from whom you acquired that particular pick. Those not in bold are those picks assigned via the Expansion Draft pick assigning process.

You can ignore the 'seeding' in this example. I needed to use something to just show who has what in each particular round. As always, the seeding for the draft will start in inverse order of the standings for the 2021 season, and then we will run our draft lottery.

Since we do not have draft seeding, be sure to designate in your trades WHICH pick you are trading! For example, if mjd wishes to trade one of his two first round picks, he needs to designate whether it is HIS first or the first he obtained from Jon Dowd.

Clear as mud, I'm sure, so please do not hesitate to bring up any questions.

youngroman
ID: 515013
Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 19:47

question before the season starts: what is the final ruling on the Ohtani topic? do I pick up the pitching version for his starts and drop him immediately afterwards to make room for a real 23rd player, only to drop that for the pitching version 4 days later? This assumes that the hitting version will always be on my roster.

am I able to trade him twice?

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 20:15

The draft has been re-entered, the league activated, and all players are now on waivers. Please check your teams for accuracy.

All keepers & 10th Keepers are marked with a 'K'. These players are eligible for placement on the IR.

Game on!

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 20:20

[2] - I don't know the best way to approach this, but I would propose putting Syndergaard on the IL, picking up Ohtani {P}, and from that point forward, he is treated as two players.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 12:29

2: Here is what I recommend. If there are differing opinions, I would be happy to hear them:

NOTE: Each of these grandfathered treatments below only apply while Ohtani is KEPT by a team
---to lessen the reduction of keeper value for youngroman, these treatments go with Ohtani if he is traded
---However, if Ohtani is ever dropped to waivers or not kept by youngroman (or a traded-to team), he loses these treatments and is treated as two separate players by Yahoo

1) Ohtani will be permanently treated as ONE single keeper each year
2) To retain these allowances, the owner of Ohtani must permanently keep either Ohtani (the Pitcher or the Hitter) on his roster
3) The Ohtani owner may rotate either the hitter or the pitcher on and off of waivers as they see fit
--these transactions will not count towards our transaction limits

In the end, the Ohtani owner is disadvantaged by this move and there is nothing more that can be done. To use both players, he will have to constantly shuffle between both to maximize his roster. Those are the breaks, but I think the above treatments can at least try to minimize the impact.

==========================

Please advise of any objections, improvements or adjustments that the league feels are warranted.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 15:56

3: A huge THANK YOU to Tosh for re-entering the draft. As you have probably all noticed, all players are on waivers, and we have him to thank.

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 17:21

One error in uploading my roster:

I drafted Josh Rojas, Ari, 2B-OF not Jose Rojas.

Easy mistake to make as I set my lineup and failed to notice it myself. Thumper has a good eye!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 18:40

Good catch. Looks like another Commish corrected.

I hope everyone else is checking their rosters. After waivers is too late!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 27, 2021, 20:39

Noting for the record the following players were called up and renounced from the Prospect List by their teams:

Francisco Mejia (Guru)
Mitch Keller (Fosten)
Touki Toussant (Fosten)
Brent Honeywell (Matt G)
Carter Kieboom (Lyman)
Nate Lowe (Lyman)
AJ Puk (Vampire Weekend)
Gavin Lux (mjd)
Austin Riley (mjd)
Tyler O'Niell (Nerfherders)
Bo Bichette (Tree)
Dylan Cease (Tree)
Luis Robert (youngroman)
Jesus Luzardo (youngroman)

All of these players are now treated like any other player on your major league roster. They no longer carry the ability to be sent down to the prospect list.

The one benefit that WAS voted in for these players was their ability to be INCLUDED in our IL spots!

GO
ID: 141062421
Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 10:34

Alec Bohm added.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 12:53

11 is noted.

As a reminder to all teams regarding the prospects still on your prospect list:

- You may call them up with a simple confirmation like in Post 11
- Then pick them up in Yahoo and transact them in / out of your lineups as normal
- REMINDER: you only get two call up transactions (defined as the combined acts of calling them up and sending them back down to the Prospect List)
- As such, I recommend some amount of caution to ensure your prospect is going to stick around before you burn one of your callups. But, ultimately it is up to you!

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 18:26

Public Service Announcement -- A reminder that the 'Injured List' is for players that were keepers or 10th keepers. They are conveniently marked with a 'K'

There is currently one manager with an ineligible player in that slot.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 21:30

13: ALL players on the COVID list are also eligible.....I see Barnes and Turnbull on the IL. Barnes has been removed from the COVID list so Tree does need to activate him.

Did the offending party correct theirs already??

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 21:35

Ahhhhh.....it's Bader. Will ping Code.

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 23:30

I was actually looking at Barnes.

I should really know all the rules (forgot the COVID rule) before making a PSA!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 23:35

darkside: Andrew Vaughn is on Lyman's Prospect List. I have dropped him from your team.

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 31, 2021, 23:40

Putting all prospects on your Watch List so the blue star serves as a deterrent from picking up may be one solution...

darkside
ID: 5031917
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 08:19

I was shocked when I looked at the alphabetical prospect list in the opening post of this thread and didn’t see him listed. Sorry about that and thanks for undoing it. I’ll grab someone else.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 09:31

19: Apologies. I never updated that. Someone else mentioned using that as their list of record.

I will update sometime this weekend.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 09:56

Happy Opening Day! Good luck to you all (but less luck than me pls)!

darkside
ID: 5031917
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 10:29

Definitely no apologies necessary! Thanks for all you do to keep the league running.

+1 to Thumqer’s comment. Nice to be back to baseball—good luck!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 10:56

Alphabetical listing of prospects updated!

Happy Opening Day. Can the official scorer give both DeGrom and Scherzer a win today if they both pitch really well???

GO
ID: 517342812
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 11:41

I could really use alphabetical prospect list in the body of this thread because I can't access those dropdowns on anything related to work. I can try and do myself tonight.

youngroman
ID: 515013
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 12:33

re "Putting all prospects on your Watch List so the blue star serves as a deterrent from picking up may be one solution".
I did that a few days ago and Yahoo locked me out of my account after I was half through. luckily this only lasted for an hour, so I added the remaining ones afterwards

and we have the first Covid-related postponement of the season. any guesses for a total count?
my guess: 81

GO
ID: 517342812
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 14:01

Yeah, I do the star thing myself on obvious prospects I can remember (and not so obvious I guess so I remember). Probably should try and do that to all.

GO
ID: 517342812
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 14:03

Next year we can flag these guys with the K as keepers... i'm guessing including the prosepcts. That'll make it easier. Also you can assign a $ price next to their name. Maybe we could put a 2 or 1 next to the prospects names so we know how many times called up.

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 16:38

[27] -- When I look at the settings, that is a negative on both ideas with Yahoo.

You set someone with a 'K' during the process of adding teams to players.

And you can only add salary information to Keepers. It would certainly be nice to assign a salary to all prospects.

The 'K' is currently set (and I don't even know if this was intentional during set-up) to be removed during two situations ... (1) "Dropped and claimed off waivers" ... and (2) "Dropped and clears waivers (becomes a free agent)"

So if a Keeper is dropped, he will lose his eligibility for the IR the rest of the season. If that is not the intention, we should probably change that.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 17:48

28: That is ABSOLUTELY our intention. The intent of the IL was to protect a team's keeper assets while giving them a chance to adhere to our minimum IP and GP requirements. If someone picks up someone off of waivers they didn't burn a keeper / 10th keeper investment on them, and thus should not benefit from our keeper IL eligibility.

In other news......
-- mjd picked up Tsutsugo
-- Vampireweekend picked up Alex Reyes
-- Code picked up Justus Sheffield

Come on guys. Pay attention to prospects please!! Your comeuppance for missing them and incorrectly picking up a prospect is that you expose the player you dropped to waivers. No take-backs without earning it through waivers.

I wish there was a better way to track it.....our only option is awareness.

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 17:52

Also, if its too good to be true, it probably is.

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 17:58

I recommend copying and pasting the alphabetical prospect list into a commissioner's note at the Yahoo league homepage. Having it there will save having to toggle back and forth between Yahoo and this forum.

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 18:05

I am encountering a disconcerting development as I try to make an add/drop. I am receiving an error that reads "A player has already played and is no longer editable for today." I'm also unable to simply drop the player in question, even if I'm not trying to also make an add. I've never encountered this before on Yahoo, and I'm fairly certain we didn't play by these rules at ESPN. Was this by design, Commish? Or is a setting error that can be resolved?

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 19:04

32: Commissioner Note added

33: Here is what I see as available:
=====================
Daily-Tomorrow

Transactions (trades, waiver claims, and free agent pick-ups) are reflected on team rosters the following day. The deadline for all transactions for the following day is 11:59pm PT each night.

Daily-Today

Transactions are reflected on your roster for the current day so long as all transactions are completed before the start of each player's game

Weekly

All transactions will be reflected in your lineup the following week, on the day of the week you select. All trades, adds, and drops need to be completed by 11:59 PM PT on the night before the designated day of the week for your league. All transactions made after the deadline will take effect the following week. If you select Monday, you may make edits for the week until the first game starts on Monday
==================

We are set for "Daily - Today".

No purposeful changes on my part. We are beholden to the restrictions of the host site.

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 19:44

So the options are:

1) Daily-Today - This allows a manager to make adds to today's roster - such as filling your catcher slot daily as lineups are announced - but prohibits a manager from making adds for tomorrow's games (or for long term considerations) if the game of the player you're dropping has already started. So if your closer leaves the game with a season-ending injury, you will not be able to simply drop him and add his replacement until the next day - by which time the new closer will likely already be picked up.

2) Daily-Tomorrow - This allows a manager to drop players regardless if their team has played that day or not. No restrictions. A manager won't be able to make moves for that particular day's games, but that seems a small price to pay compared to the apparent limitation of not being able to make moves once that days games have began.

Hoping others read this and chime in. For a league as active as this I think it will be a bummer to be so tightly restricted from making moves as that days games unfold.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 20:42

For me, the former takes precedent over the latter, mostly because I'm not paying enough attention in the evenings to EVERY game to even know to want to add or drop a player. I usually do all of my moves in the morning.

Fosten
ID: 131049118
Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 21:42

I vote for option 2.
As soon as it lets met put Mondesi on the DL...
Fosten calls up Alex Reyes for the first time.
In my RIBC rationales, I predicted him winning the closer job!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 10:37

35: I will fully admit I just assumed Daily - Today most closely replicated what we had in ESPN. I am agnostic at the moment as to which we use. We CAN change it and make it effective.

37: Reyes callup noted.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 10:45

I'm strongly against Daily-tomorrow.

This issue was raised when we voted on switching sites. The presumption all along is that we would stick with daily-today, and live with the restriction on dropping locked players.

I believe I was told that we could still add a F/A for tomorrow. But we cannot drop a player today who has already been locked into today's starting lineup.

youngroman
ID: 515013
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 11:26

called up Sean Murphy

GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 12:56

There is just one rule... you can't drop a guy actively scoring in your starting lineup from the time they are locked until 3 AM. You can add anyone you want. You can drop anyone with no game. You can drop anyone on your bench. We discussed this at length.

PER OFFSEASON THREAD WHEN WE Daily/Today vs. Daily/Tomorrow
#134
Daily-Today is the preferred Yahoo option I think. There is just one thing you cant do and that is all you need to remember. You cant drop a player who "live" scoring in your active lineup until the 3 AM processing.

You CAN drop anyone who doesnt have a game or who is sitting on your bench.

You can ADD whoever you want. They just go to your bench if their game already started. If they havent started you can stick them right in.
This is an advantage vs. ESPN -- cause I can add a catcher for a 10PM game and start him straight away. There is no "turning the page" at the start of the first game and being unable to adjust past some 1PM Cubs game.

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 13:14

Agree with GO. Placing importance on the liberty of Daily-Tomorrow vs Daily-Today seems a bit backwards to me; I think flexibility to change today's roster is more important than flexibility to change tomorrow's roster... which you can do anyway, tomorrow.

GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 13:18

Granted, its a different approach than ESPN. But you know what I CAN do that I couldn't do at ESPN? actively manage my team throughout the day + night... ESPN - there is a 1PM Cubs game and now I'm stuck with that roster until tomorrow without knowing if my 7 and 10 PM people are even gonna play? Thats garbage.

With this option, you still still do whatever you want before the first game.
Just the 1PM Cubs people (that you actually start) are locked until 3AM. 10 PM Angels game and my catcher getting the night off? I can add the random backup and put him in immediately.

I'm sure Blue Hen will be complaining about not using the ESPN approach, but frankly this BENEFITS him and ability to pick dudes up and cover anyone getting the night off like he likes to bludgeon his starting hitters to accumulate.

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 15:21

Can confirm Blue Hen has already started bickering. He's probably been preparing lines to say since before the season began :P

I am for Daily - Today also.

mjd
ID: 240561719
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 17:03

Daily-Today. Not a fan of guessing who might play tomorrow when looking at short term FA pickups.

darkside
ID: 5031917
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 17:46

Agree with the daily-today comments.

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, Apr 02, 2021, 18:29

Thanks for all the replies, fellas. I've never played in a Daily-Today league in Yahoo, so I had no idea of these player-drop restrictions once that players game has started. Had I known that, I surely wouldn't have had a very droppable minor leaguer in my lineup on Opening Day. Plugging a different catcher into my lineup daily has never really been my thing and, outside of SP streaming, I rarely have roster space available for a player I'd be adding only for that day's game, so this doesn't work to my advantage. But I'll probably find a way to work around the player-drop restrictions. Although I'll still be restricted because I'll always need to have a player or two on my bench that I feel comfortable dropping in a pinch if necessary. Anyway, thanks for all the responses.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 12:55

<47>you could always trade me your best players so that you’d have plenty of open spots!

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 13:58

Alphabetical list of Prospects:
CJ Abrams
Maximo Acosta
Luisangel Acuna
Jordyn Adams
Jo Adell
Francisco Alvarez
Ian Anderson
Sherten Apostel
Randy Arozorena
Michael Baez
Joey Bart
Hunter Bishop
JJ Bleday
Alec Bohm
Aaron Bracho
Vidal Brujan
Corbin Carroll
Triston Casas
Jazz Chisholm
O'Niell Cruz
Brennan Davis
Jasson Dominguez
Jeter Downs
Xavier Edwards
Wander Franco
Deivi Garcia
Jose Garcia (CIN)
Logan Gilbert
MacKenzie Gore
Nolan Gorman
Brusdar Graterol
Josiah Gray
Hunter Greene
Riley Greene
Jordan Groshans
Hunter Harvey
Austin Hayes
Ke'Bryan Hayes
Sam Hilliard
Nico Hoerner
Kody Hoese
Spencer Howard
Kwang Hyun-Kim
Gilberto Jimenez
Greg Jones
Nolan Jones
Josh Jung
James Karinchak
Jerred Kelenic
George Kirby
Alex Kirilloff
Michael Kopech
Trevor Larnach
Pedro Manuel Leon
Royce Lewis
Nick Lodolo
Bayron Lora
Marco Luciano
Daniel Lynch
Nick Madrigal
Matt Manning
Brandon Marsh
Noelvi Marte
Orelvis Martinez
Ronny Mauricio
Brendan McKay
Triston Mckenzie
Casey Mize
Ryan Mountcastle
Sean Murphy
Sheldon Neuse
Christian Pache
Luis Patino
Nate Pearson
Erick Pena
Geraldo Perdomo
Hedbert Perez
Robert Puason
Heliot Ramos
Alex Reyes
Kristian Robinson
Brenden Rodgers
Grayson Rodriguez
Luis Rodriguez
Keibert Ruiz
Adley Rutschman
Jesus Sanchez
Sixto Sanchez
Justus Sheffield
Tarik Skubal
Alek Thomas
Taylor Trammell
Yoshitomo Tsutsugo
George Valera
Daulton Varsho
Andrew Vaughn
Drew Waters
Evan White
Forest Whitley
Bobby Witt Jr.

mjd
ID: 240561719
Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 19:30

Appreciate the list.

Calling up Ian Anderson for the 1st time.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 11:52

Let's play 2021's favorite game show "Who can make the most illegal prospect pickups!", with your host Wink Martindale!!!

Lyman 2 (Perdomo, Tsutsugo)
mjd 1 (Tsutsugo)
VampireWeekend 1 (Reyes)
DonkeyKong 1 (Perdomo)
Code Toothpick 1 (Sheffield)
darkside 1 (Vaughn)

Lyman in the lead with 2 illegal pickups, while Tsutsugo and Perdomo lead the pack as the prospect most incorrectly picked up.

Stay tuned next week when we see who is illegally picked up next!!

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Apr 04, 2021, 13:14

Is there a bonus round, Wink? Because this is one race I think i can win!

The saddest part of me picking up two illegals is that I wasn't even excited about making the adds in the first place.

Jokes aside, I understand the frustration. I'll try and do better.

Matt G
ID: 30411915
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 08:46

daily-today is fine with me...

but i do hate yahoo

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 09:20

Calling up Michael Kopech (1).

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 10:19

Callups noted.

Speaking of callups, when I saw the news of the injury to Ke'Bryan Hayes, I was bummed for Fosten because I assume he had called him up. In fact, he had not.......lucky for him, because prospects still on the prospect list are NOT eligible for our IL, as outlined in the rules:

Injured List / "IL" slots:
Four (4) IL slots will be allowed for use. Eligibility for these slots are designated for use ONLY for either:
Players kept in any team's 9 keepers at the beginning of the current season. This eligibility is carried with the player even if acquired via trade.
Prospects that were called up and renounced - i.e. 10th keepers - at the current year’s Prospect Keeper deadline.

This eligibility is NOT allowed for:
A keeper player if they are acquired via the FA pool or waiver wire
A prospect still on the Prospect List after the Prospect Keeper deadline.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 12:36

I know this is the IL rule, but I'm wondering about the rationale for not allowing prospects to use an IL slot. Although I understand that an unrenounced prospect could be sent down, that does count against his number of options. Seems like allowing an injured prospect to use the IL list would allow teams greater latitude in calling up a prospect early.

I'd be more likely to call up a couple of my prospects now if I knew that an injury could be dealt with using an IL slot rather than being sent down.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 12:55

56: Open to hearing more opinions!

mjd
ID: 240561719
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 13:06

I'm in favor of 56.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 13:34

Also in favor of 56

GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 15:22

I assume this is something we voted on? what were the counter arguments? perhaps I'm missing something obvious unless we just didn't consider this scenario.

I don't really see a reason to not IL them if eligible. So Tree couldn't IL Kopech for example. But he could send him back down at this point... But then if he calls him up a second time and then he gets hurt, he's just stuck clogging up the bench? I don't think most of us would want that.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 20:02

definitely in favor of 56. and like GO, i'm curious as to the rational opposed to it.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 20:02

definitely in favor of 56. and like GO, i'm curious as to the rational opposed to it.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 21:48

60: Yes, it was voted on. Yes, it was discussed.

At the time we had ZERO IL spots, and you just had to deal with it. The argument at the time in favor of adding IL spots was to give teams a chance to more comfortably meet our GP and IP minimums even when injuries struck. Rightfully, managers did not want to drop a keeper player just to pick up injury replacements to make minimums, so we voted it in.

The argument for limiting it to keepers (and subsequently, to 10th keepers) was to avoid loopholes. My recollection regarding prospects on the prospect list does have to do with their ability to be sent back down to the prospect list, and thus the manager has the ability to pick up injury replacements.

If enough people agree we can put it to a vote and implement immediately.

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Apr 05, 2021, 22:18

Also in favor of post 56.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 12:10

I don't see any reason why any keeper (active or prospect) can't be used similarly, so I'd be in favor as well.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 13:57

All this appears to be enough support to call for a vote:

Required League Vote:

Do you wish to expand the eligibility for the G20 IL to include prospects on the prospect list?

This would now allow the following players to be placed on the IL:
- Keepers
- 10th keepers (prospects called up and renounced)
- Prospects called up but still on the prospect list

Vote: YES or NO

(note, our COVID IL eligibility I treat as a separate nuance within the rules and is not impacted by this vote -- ALL players on the COVID list are eligible for our IL)

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 14:30

Yes.

GO
ID: 531581023
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 14:45

Yes

Lyman
ID: 290311615
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 14:57

Yes

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 15:34

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 15:42

Yes

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 16:16

Yes

mjd
ID: 240561719
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 16:44

yes

Jon Dowd
ID: 90291312
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 19:56

Yes

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Apr 06, 2021, 20:20

Yes

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 09:51

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 10:21

Yes

VampireWeekend
ID: 4736710
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 11:06

Yes

GO
ID: 517342812
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 14:17

This actually was a vote on if Pearl Jam is the best American rock band ever. BH standing strong against them.

darkside
ID: 5031917
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 18:47

Yes

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 19:19

Yes

And I’m with GO they ARE the greatest

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Apr 07, 2021, 21:27

Can I switch my vote? I'm with BH... I say it's Nirvana.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 10:12

Post 66 passes. Prospects still on the prospect list are immediately eligible for our IL. The Constitution has been updated accordingly.

VampireWeekend
ID: 4736710
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 15:44

Re 79, 81, and 82...

A potential definition issue, but are we just blowing past Van Halen (only with David Lee Roth), Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Bruce and the E Street Band, and the highly influential quartet of Ramones, Velvet Underground, Talking Heads, and R.E.M?

GO
ID: 517342812
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 15:54

I'm a Bruce guy personally... but I once dove deep into this and final conclusion we came up with was surprisingly -- Aerosmith. Impact, longevity across eras, albums sold, # of hits, changing the game (hiphop/rock thing) etc.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 15:59

If it's strictly between Nirvana and Pearl Jam, Nirvana blows Pearl Jam out of the water.

27 years after Kurt's death, kids who were born a dozen years after he died are cranking their music, wearing their logos, and so forth.

Ain't no teenager wearing a Pearl Jam shirt.

Heck, pearl jam isn't even the best band Eddie Vedder was part of (Temple of the Dog gets that not) and I'm not even sure they make Stone Gossard's top 5 (lemme see - Mother Love Bone, Green River, Temple of the Dog, Painted Shield)...ok, well, they do make his top 5, barely.

Pearl Jam sizucks, and after two or three strong albums, they manage a solid single every few years to at least stay relevant.

VampireWeekend
ID: 4736710
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 16:06

I should have definitely included Aerosmith in my old guy ‘rant’

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 16:09

if you look up "average" in the dictionary, there is a picture of Aerosmith.

VampireWeekend
ID: 4736710
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 16:15

I personally would not rate them too high but to the point above they belong in the conversation - despite Steven Tyler’s terrible foray into country

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 16:56

Brad is unequivocally Stone’s best band.

I don’t think players outside our kept 9 should be IL eligible, including 10th keepers. I lost the vote previously plus this one, but that’s how I feel.

Yahoo’s IL functionality is worse than ESPN’s which isn’t great.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 17:09

It's time to update our game show "Who has the most illegal pickups"!!

We have our leader adding to his total, with Code Toothpick doing his best to catch up!

Lyman 3 (Perdomo, Tsutsugo, Kim)
Code Toothpick 2 (Sheffield, Trammell)
mjd 1 (Tsutsugo)
VampireWeekend 1 (Reyes)
DonkeyKong 1 (Perdomo)
darkside 1 (Vaughn)

Stay tuned next week when we see who is illegally picked up next!!

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 19:52

Perhaps if you hit 5 you should lose a prospect or prospect pick...

... To me, of course.

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 19:58

Don't know if this a good, or a bad thing for my team -

Corbin Burnes' 2 starts for the @Brewers in 2021:

6.1 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 11 K (L)
6.0 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 9 K (ND)

No other pitcher in the modern era has had 2 starts in his entire career in which he had 9+ K, 0 BB & 1 or fewer hits allowed & yet didn't get the W (let alone 2 in a row).

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 12:04

Looking to deal Brandon Belt and James McCann. Both solid contributors, but my team has their positions filled. Let me know if you need a catcher or 1b/OF.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 13:22

Calling up Arozarena for the first time.

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 16:21

Going back to the vote [66]

The rule states "Prospects called up but still on the prospect list"

I'm assuming that if a prospect is active, and loses his 'prospect status' ... he cannot be sent back to the minors and is no longer eligible to place on the IL.

Is that correct??

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 16:31

96: Damn, didn't consider that. My interpretation would be that the answer to that is "no".....although it is unclear if that was our intention.

GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 17:09

Players who were you keepers + prospects when the season started, I would say that that is who we are cool with going in the IL slot. Isn't that the idea?

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 20:11

Agree with 98

100

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 01:16

My question revolves around the 'threshold', and the definition of 'prospect'.

- In-season: If a prospect is renounced or hits threshold while on your roster (called-up), his name will be removed from your prospect list. If a prospect hits threshold while not on your roster, you are not obligated to call him up immediately. Once you call-up a prospect over the threshold, you cannot send him down.

If we re-define IL-eligibility to "prospect when the season started" ... we don't really need that first sentence any more. The player can't be sent down (thanks to the last sentence), but without the prospect list, there is no way to police the IL-eligible ('K') players.

101

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sat, Apr 10, 2021, 13:13

We could just stop splitting hairs and allow to use the IL for anyone currently on your team - be it the regular roster and prospect roster - banning only picking someone injured up from the waiver wire to stash them.

102

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 11:55

C Carson Kelly (.526 OBP!) otb for anything reasonable. Trade for him and save your 300 moves for spec saves!!

103

GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 09:14

But I love catcher roulette! since I still cant' go to a casino, its filling a void.

104

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 14:36

Unsolicited fun point that your ESPN leagues aren't letting you swap out your Twins-Red Sox Players today after they postponed the game after the initial start time

105

GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 14:52

Just got Devers out, woo... I've always complained about that point. If the game never started, there NO REASON to lock it up.

106

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 17:34

Calling up Triston McKenzie for the first time.

107

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 11:35

Looking to trade for a closer that isn’t going to lose their job after one blown save. Have 2022 supplemental picks and/or prospects to offers.

108

DK6000
ID: 260421814
Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 12:53

Xander Bogaerts has expressed a desire to play for a contender, and team ownership has given me the ok to shop him around. Willing to listen to offers on my best player.

Looking for young, building block types asset(s) in return.

109

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 14:03

Also seeking stable closers. Willing to get creative on the offer

110

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 21:21

Giants closer Jake McGee is available. Has 6 saves and 1 win among the Giants' 8 wins. He's thrown 7.1 IP and allowed 0 runs and 3 baserunners while striking out 10.

I also have John Means and Brady Singer available for those needing starting pitching.

111

Jon Dowd
ID: 90291312
Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 10:10

Calling up Jazz Chisholm for the first time

112

GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 11:01

For all those wondering about the Fantrax experience, we're doing a league and the pricing algorithm (salary cap with weekly salary changes) isn't functioning correctly and they've basically admitted it and just stopped responding to me cause they don't know how to fix it. The one person out of whack, they told me to manually override on all the teams they are on. This player is literally universally owned because they are so cheap and league minimum price hasn't budged.

113

youngroman
ID: 515013
Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 04:07

called up Casey Mize

114

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 10:13

Guys.....Kwang f***ing Kim is a protected prospect. Please do not pick up.

vw illegally used him before a Commish noticed. That's bad.

115

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 10:33

i believe in yahoo football a commish can manually manipulate points, but not sure in baseball.

personally, i believe there needs to be a severe penalty for actually using a player that isn't yours, and it oughta be something like a day long suspension of no points being scored (and obviously not a day like this upcoming monday, where a lot of teams aren't playing).

innocent mistake or not, sports metes out punishments for innocent mistakes all the time.

116

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 12:51

Agreed. That's super not good.

117

VampireWeekend
ID: 19311812
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 13:01

Apologies to all - the sad thing is I actually pulled up the list and completely missed him.

118

WG
ID: 89402220
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 13:38

Like Bernie Sanders, I am once again asking you to simply put all prospects on your watch list.

119

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 18:48

Lyman sends Jake McGee and his 9th round 2022 supplemental pick

Bmd sends his 2022 1st round supplemental pick

120

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 18:50

Post 119 - Confirmed

121

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 10:52

Calling up Nick Madrigal for the first time.

122

MattG
ID: 29322237
Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 08:22

Re: 86

Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Kurt's death is the only reason Nirvana is still relevant. That being said, it's the commercialization of "cool" that has people wearing nirvana shirts, they sell out that smile logo all over. Nirvana sold out, that's all.

Temple of the dog - Eddie wasn't technically even in, except for hunger strike... Saw them in 2016 and Eddie wasn't even in the state.

Pearl Jam is the greatest American rock band this isn't a debate, this is fact. :)

123

darkside
ID: 81492120
Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 08:58

PSA since I just looked: Kirilloff is a prospect

124

GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:07

Got some good young live arms Paddack and Montas I would move for a veteran OF with some pop. Or I'd also package with prospects Waters/Marsh along with them to eventually replace your hitter...

125

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 10:28

Kurt's death is the only reason Nirvana is still relevant.

please. Nirvana literally changed the course of music history, singlehandedly ending the domination of boy bands and hair metal in the charts, and in the hearts, minds, and souls of young Americans; not to mention birthing Foo Fighters, who by Dave Grohl's own acknowledgment, would not have existed had it not been for Kurt's influence on him.

And despite putting out eight more studio albums and 10 more live albums (not to mention "official bootlegs"), Pearl Jam's record sales don't even touch Nirvana's.

Why? Because folks can relate to Kurt Cobain. He was a dude who struggled with real life issues, such as depression, substance abuse, and bullying.

Eddie Vedder is a dude who divorced his teenage sweetheart so he could date a model. Very relatable. Oh, and also was arrested for public intoxication and disturbing the peace when he started a barroom brawl BY SPITTING IN THE FACE OF ANOTHER PATRON. class act right there.

People still buy Nirvana merch because people can relate to Kurt Cobain and the band.

Selling out, btw, isn't a thing. Cashing in, is. One of my favorite punk rock t shirts i own is from Epitaph Records, with SELLOUT emblazoned across the front, because at the end of the day, all we want to do is cash in.

(image from etsy, not my closet)

126

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Apr 24, 2021, 20:16

Before any team sells saves or steals, they should talk to me :)

127

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 14:23

Calling up Justus Sheffield for the first time.

128

mjd
ID: 240561719
Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 19:57

I'm also in the market for steals.

129

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 12:29

I have Dane Dunning, Jonathan India, Ryan Weathers, prospects, picks, others available on the block. Looking for closers, veteran SP or upgraded bats at any position.

130

Matt G
ID: 30411915
Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 08:35

RE: 125

Nirvana didn't change anything, they commercialized it. And of course Dave gives credit to Kurt, he was his drummer and wouldn't be where he is today if not for him, totally agree.

That being said, of the big "grunge" bands, Soundgarden was first. Sure we can look at Green River and "come on down" in 1985 which really was first, but anyone that says "nirvana started it all man" hasn't heard of any of the great seattle sound bands. Green River, Mudhoney, motherlovebone, etc. not even seattle necessarily, but also the Deep Six compilation really kicked it off in 1986 before nirvana even formed.

As for record sales, incorrect. Pearl Jam has outsold Nirvana by about a million records as of 2019,last numbers I could find.

And yes they've released more but lets be honest, nirvana was some sort of disfunction they never would have lasted.

So we're gonna hold something against someone that happened 20-30 years ago? I'm sure we don't know the whole story here. Even McDowell said they were being harrassed all night, who knows what provoked them.

That being said, I saw a little kid wearing that nirvana tee the other day, literally after I posted I asked him where he got it, he said target, his dad bought it for him. I asked if he knew what it was, "I dunno, some weird smiley face."

big Fan

I still love you Tree :)

131

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 12:38

Calling up Kim.

132

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 16:40

How does one add an image to the messageboard as Tree did with the sellout tee?

133

Matt G
ID: 30411915
Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 08:20

Sorry guys I did a search for the name and couldn't find him anywhere, I must not have looked at the first 50 posts.

Do I have to take a shot now?

134

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 11:52

(img src=put the web link) where the ( is a < and so forth...

135

mjd
ID: 240561719
Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 16:52

Calling up Nico Hoerner 1st time.

136

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Sat, May 01, 2021, 08:49

Calling up Alex Kiriloff first time

137

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, May 02, 2021, 16:43

It's time to update our game show "Who has the most illegal pickups"!!

No change at the top yet, but vw and mjd making their way up the standings, while new entrants Jon Dowd and Matt G decided to join the party!

Lyman 3 (Perdomo, Tsutsugo, Kim)
Code Toothpick 2 (Sheffield, Trammell)
mjd 2 (Tsutsugo, Varsho)
VampireWeekend 2 (Reyes, Kim)
DonkeyKong 1 (Perdomo)
darkside 1 (Vaughn)
Jon Dowd 1 (Kim)
Matt G 1 (Hoerner

Mercifully, bmd picked up Kim from his prospect list so our #1 illegal pickup is now off the board!

Stay tuned next week when we see who is illegally picked up next!

138

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, May 02, 2021, 17:43

Okay, I have updated the 2022 Supplemental Draft Grid, as linked to in post 1. Ignore the order, the point is to confirm what picks you have in the first place, and from whom.

As with the 2021 supplemental grid, our expansion draft participants are totally f**ked by Meatwads, who not only traded away his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th, but traded away his 3rd twice. I'll get to that traded 3rd twice in a sec.....

As before, I have processed these trades, and whatever was left between Greggo, Meatwads and Jon Dowd was split in a linear fashion in inverse order of the Expansion Draft: Code 1st, vampire weekend 2nd and Jon Dowd 3rd:

-- Where you see your name, you own 'your own' pick in that round
-- If you see your name and another name in parenthesis, you own that team's pick in that round

Meatwads traded his 3rd twice. In an instance like that, teams can:

1) Renegotiate, but it must be mutual
2) The 'offending' team can acquire another pick in that round, and that pick will transfer to that team
3) In the absence of 1 or 2, the 'offending' team's next available highest pick will be transferred in lieu of the pick traded

Meatwads isn't around to accomplish #1 or #2. He also traded his 1st and 2nd round picks, so we cannot rectify the situation via item #3 above. Thumper rightfully deserves the 3rd round pick he traded for. The only solution that comes to mind is to grant Thumper a 'Supplemental Pick' in round 3, and grant him essentially pick 3.21.

I have also traded my 5th twice. For now, I have defaulted to Thumper getting my 4th, but I'm sure I will acquire a new 5th or renegotiate with Thumper but this serves as a reminder.

bmd traded his 9th twice. We have all year to rectify that.

Probably clear as mud. I hope it makes sense.....

139

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 03, 2021, 10:53

bmd traded his 9th twice. We have all year to rectify that.

Duh. bmd traded for Lyman's 9th. He's good.

140

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 03, 2021, 11:03

138: Moral to this story:

In future expansion drafts, we will not be equitable and re-assign draft picks in this fashion. There are too many issues it brings up. In the random draw to see who picks first, the 'losing' team of the coin flip/RNG will get their first choice of the departing franchises' stable of picks. The next team gets the next team's stable of picks, etc. It just gets too complicated.

For example, I somehow need to slot the Meatwads-traded picks into our draft order. He is not here to finish the 2021 season and have a draft slot. I will probably default to 14th - the last pick in the lottery. I don't know.

141

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Mon, May 03, 2021, 13:08

Thanks, Species. The 2022 grid is helpful - I've noted some mid-2021 draft trades will change that up a bit too.

A supplemental supplemental pick makes sense, if possible maybe it should slot in behind the other meatwads 3rd rounder (wherever that ends up being)

142

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Mon, May 03, 2021, 13:49

Speaking of preparing for 2022 (and sorry to hijack, Species)... is anyone else tired of wasting so much energy, roster spots and value based on cryptic MLB managers comments on who their closer will be? I mean, it's ridiculous. I found the following Rob Silver tweet to be interesting because it proves out how saves are just a complete guessing game.

"There have been 45 saves in MLB as of this morning (Apr 8). In the NFBC Main Event, all teams have 1084 saves combined. There are 43 leagues meaning the average league has 25.2 saves. This means 44% of saves so far this season weren’t on anybody’s active fantasy roster."
https://twitter.com/RobSilver/status/1380164119328854021?s=20

It's wild to me how much value we're assigning in a deep dynasty league to these guys for 1 stat. Not picking on anyone, but here's how we're doing as a league to keep up with the volatility of this role in real life.

Drafted to be closers, already aren't one:
1st round - 5.5 players- 25% of the round (Rosenthal, Bradley, Hicks, Montero [.5], Colome, Holland)
2nd round - 2 players (Leclerc, Garret)
3rd round - 2 (Soria, Bass)
We also had a closer keeper unfortunately lose all value due to TJ, something that can happen to any pitcher obviously (Yates).

Drafted to be closers or speculative ones and ARE closers
1st round - 1.5 players (Montero, Barnes)
2nd round - 3 players (Dick Rod, T Rogers, Bard)
3rd round - 1 player (Melancon)
4th round - 2 players (D Castillo, Neris)
5th round - 1 player (McGee, who is pitching for a team unwilling to name a closer still)
6th+ rounds or undrafted - (Y Garcia, I Kennedy, C Valdez, Trivino, Staumont others)

Again, not picking on anyone. These early round closer picks are necessary for a Saves league, even if our round 1-3 success rate is only 37% already this year. I REALLY would like to try and progress this league to find a better indicator of a reliever's actual performance than the save stat. Daniel Bard's 9.00 ERA is awful, but his closer tag makes him more valuable than the Karinchaks or Mike Mayers who are actually good pitchers and not on active rosters (Sorry, WG). I've played in Saves + Holds leagues and find them to be much better than Saves only. The elite keeper closers are still worth being kept - only 5 RP had 30+ Holds in 2019, with 25 RP getting 20+ Holds.

Very curious to hear any other thoughts and opinions on this. To me, it takes more luck than skill to perform in the save stat in roto (Sorry, GO! :p)

143

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, May 03, 2021, 15:32

Agree on all counts with 142. A league deeper than 12 teams should have S+H (or something else besides just saves).

144

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, May 03, 2021, 17:44

Amen. It's time to get with the 21 century, and move to S+H.

on a related note, i drafted four relievers. One is no longer on my roster. One is injured, but i can't place him on my IL. One is Matt Barnes, who i HATED have to draft in the first round, but it also looking like a steal in the first round, and a closer should never look like a steal in the first round.

And the last is Emmanuel Clase, who was my very last draft pick, and taken to hedge my bets in case Karinchak wasn't named closer, which of course was silly, because it was an absolute that Karinchak would be the closer.

Except he wasn't named the closer, and Clase is definitely an early season steal. As my final pick - THAT's when a closer should be a steal.

145

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 03, 2021, 20:07

Please note a potential proposal in Post 142 to change from the Saves category to Saves + Holds in the future.

Naturally this would require a vote, and potentially harm certain teams with stud closers - even if they are only a few (or, perhaps, even more so because there are only a few). Would appreciate discussion.

146

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, May 04, 2021, 12:30

Holds + Saves would change the entire dynamic of the league. Even as someone that whiffed on closers in the draft I think just saves is the better option for entertainment. For holds + saves basically whoever decides to devote the most roster spots and time to holds will win that category or be in the top 3. Those at the top of the standings will almost always be the top of that category. As the season wears on, picking up holds will get easier as the bottom tier teams will not rotate or be as active in that category. Personally I don’t want to rotate middle relievers everyday.

Saves alone is gimmicky but it promotes a lot of trades. Good luck getting a first round pick for a guy like McGee if we did holds plus saves. It also forces harder decision on managers since there’s such a limited quantity.

147

Lyman
ID: 290311615
Tue, May 04, 2021, 13:20

Pitching categories:

1. ERA
2. WHIP
3. K/9
4. BB/9
5. ?

Dump wins and saves. They both are a crapshoot. Wins are as dumb as saves. Just ask Jacob deGrom owners. Make all pitching categories ratios. It levels the playing field to make all good pitchers viable, while maintaining elite status for elite pitchers.

148

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, May 04, 2021, 14:00

I'd say QS but I think the idea of QS needs to be adjusted for the new era we live in. 5/2 seems to be a better fit, but until that change happens at MLB we are stuck with an equally frustrating stat. (As an example, in my QS league I have both Snell and Buehler, who combined for exactly 1 QS in 2020, but would have had 8 5/2's.)

I like WPA as a stat for relievers, as it gets right to the core of their value - keeping a game close and/or preserving a lead. That is also not a stat used by any fantasy site I'm aware of.

Saves + Holds is better than just saves, especially with our IP minimums. You can't just have a crap-ton of relievers.

149

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, May 04, 2021, 15:36

Regarding <146>, one way to combat having it be about quantity of RP is to have a limited (4-5 spots) of starting RP slots while making the other slots SP. more about quality than quantity. The teams in last place today are already taking 0’s in saves so it’s just about volume of saves if you’re lucky enough for the manager to choose your guy as the closer

150

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, May 04, 2021, 16:07

For holds + saves basically whoever decides to devote the most roster spots and time to holds will win that category or be in the top 3.

We've got a 1,200 IP minimum. You devote too many roster spots to holds, you won't even come close to that minimum. As is, it takes some effort to hit.

Dump wins and saves. They both are a crapshoot. Wins are as dumb as saves. Just ask Jacob deGrom owners

this isn't factual. generally speaking, good pitchers win games. DeGrom is an exception this year, but he's just that, an exception.

Go to 2019, when your win leaders went like this:
1. Verlander • HOU 21
2. Cole • HOU 20
3. Rodriguez • BOS 19
4. German • NYY 18
Greinke • 2TM 18
Strasburg • WSN 18
7. Fried • ATL 17
8. Kershaw • LAD 16
Hudson • STL 16
Morton • TBR 16
Gonzales • SEA 16
Lynn • TEX 16

most of those guys were the best pitchers in baseball that year. they didn't get to their win totals via luck, they got to their win totals by being good AND by pitching deep into games, which is something you want from your SP. If he's pitching deep into games, he's usually doing something right.

I'd say QS but I think the idea of QS needs to be adjusted for the new era we live in.

a few years ago this might have made sense. but in the era of the "opening" pitcher, a guy can go 6 or 7 quality innings, but because he technically wasn't the starter, he gets no QS.

**all of this being said** these are discussions independent of the saves vs saves + hold conversation. if we're looking to change other stat categories, those are different conversations.

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Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Tue, May 04, 2021, 18:44

Post 150: "generally speaking, good pitchers win games. DeGrom is an exception this year, but he's just that, an exception."

This year? More like every year. deGrom is unequivocally the best pitcher in the game. In the last four years he has a combined 1.99 ERA in 81 starts covering 524 innings. He's won 27 of those starts. That's exactly one win every three times out. It's also an extremely weak pace of 10 wins in a 30-start season. For a guy with a 1.99 ERA.

152

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, May 05, 2021, 08:22

This year? More like every year. deGrom is unequivocally the best pitcher in the game.

Fine. DeGrom is an exception every year. However you want to phrase it. He's still the exception. He's Nolan Ryan for a new generation if you want.

but he's still an exception.

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Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, May 05, 2021, 13:56

The TEAM has a losing record in those same 81 starts. THE TEAM! It's insane. It's like reverse Steve Carlton 1972.

154

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, May 06, 2021, 08:51

I wanted to re-post this rule, because we have a number of new owners, and re-discovering this rule late in the season makes for a hectic scramble to try and make up games.

Multiple teams are already at double-digit deficits (over 20 games and even nearing 30 in some cases) and if you miss this by enough, you'll find yourself completely out of the draft lottery.

Minimums for GP and IP:

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1375 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

A team must accumulate a minimum of 1200 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

GP and IP demerits will be combined for each team. However, the first two demerits will be forgiven.

If a team finishes “in the money” for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.

For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year’s supplement draft:

If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)

For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)

If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

155

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, May 06, 2021, 12:19

There’s also a Max IP limit so teams will have to decide how much to allocate to starters for wins vs relievers for S+H

156

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Thu, May 06, 2021, 14:34

Trade Announcement

Jon Dowd Receives
Zach Eflin, SP, PHI
Nolan Jones, 3B, CLE (prospect)
Thumper's 2022 S1

Thumper Receives
Chris Taylor, 2B/SS/OF, LAD
Will Smith, RP, ATL
Dowd's 2022 S7

157

Jon Dowd
ID: 90291312
Thu, May 06, 2021, 14:35

Confirmed

158

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, May 06, 2021, 15:46

Saves+Holds is more of a crapshoot than Saves. It’s a ludicrous category, and I’m always surprised when people push for it. Finding talented MR is not a skill and not anything to judge fantasy acumen by.

159

Jon Dowd
ID: 90291312
Thu, May 06, 2021, 16:40

Speaking of saves, Yimi Garcia is available for those interested

160

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, May 06, 2021, 18:12

via GIPHY

You're not allowed to use the same argument against middle relievers that has already been used against closers, so I fixed that for ya.

Finding talented MR closers is not a skill and not anything to judge fantasy acumen by.

161

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Thu, May 06, 2021, 20:01

MacKenzie Gore potentially available. Looking for a good to great closer and/or hitting(obp especially).

162

GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, May 07, 2021, 10:42

I think you missed my skill of adding Kennedy. Kennedy. Kennedy!

163

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 07, 2021, 17:03

Helping everybody: Trevor Larnach is a protected prospect :D

164

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, May 07, 2021, 19:05

Leaguemates - re trades.

this is an active league. If your email isn't right on Yahoo, please correct it.

if you'd prefer a text, throw that up in yahoo.

If you think an offer is $hit or absurd, that's cool, but at least give the courtesy of replying.

i won't shame anybody, but i reached out to one of you multiple times, and no response at all, and this was over a week ago.

it's frustrating as all get out.

165

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 07, 2021, 19:58

156 is noted in the Draft Grid and Constitution.

166

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, May 07, 2021, 21:10

Looking to get younger. Will package Matthew Boyd, Brandon Belt, Jeimer Candelario, and James McCann for the best player I can get. Inquire within.

167

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, May 12, 2021, 14:33

TRADE

WG gets Yimi Garcia and Jon Dowd's 2022 s9
Jon Dowd gets George Kirby (p), J.B. Bukauskas, and WG's 2022 s3

168

Jon Dowd
ID: 90291312
Wed, May 12, 2021, 14:44

Confirmed

169

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Wed, May 12, 2021, 15:57

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

GO RECEIVES
Luke Voit, 1B, NYY
Robbie Ray, SP. TOR

LYMAN RECEIVES
Brandon Marsh (Prospect)
Alek Manoah, SP, TOR
Go's 2022 Prospect 1st rounder

170

GO
ID: 517342812
Wed, May 12, 2021, 16:02

Confirmed.

171

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, May 12, 2021, 16:08

Did you miss out on improving your team like Great One? Brandon Belt, Matthew Boyd, James McCann, and and Jeimer Candelario are available!

172

mjd
ID: 240561719
Wed, May 12, 2021, 16:22

I'm having issues with my phone. Some text messages go through, some don't. Working to fix the issue.

Greg, did you get my message?

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, May 12, 2021, 16:29

I did. Did you get mine back?

174

mjd
ID: 240561719
Wed, May 12, 2021, 16:33

yes, working now

175

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, May 12, 2021, 23:12

Great One has Paddack in his IL slot, even though he pitched several days ago. Pretty sure this isn’t allowed.

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GO
ID: 517342812
Thu, May 13, 2021, 09:24

I get 3 days after that activation to move him, as this will now be day 4 when the games start, I shall make some room. Thanks.

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mjd
ID: 240561719
Thu, May 13, 2021, 13:21

Dropping keeper Gio Ursela was an inadvertent error on my part.

Just so you know I haven't lost my mind. Certainly I could have gotten something of value for him in trade.

178

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 13, 2021, 13:45

G20: A valued member as long as I can remember, mjd has notified me of his desire to depart from the league. In short, his heart isn't into it, and between the pandemic sapping joy from baseball and other private reasons he feels it is best to announce his intention to leave.

Ultimately he would prefer a replacement be recruited immediately and we will do so. He will certainly manage his team to keep proper lineups in place and meet GP/IP minimums.....but a stagnant franchise is not in our best interests, so please check with managers in other leagues who mught be interested in joining us!

Unlike many departing franchises, mjd has a stable of desirable Dynasty assets:

Olson
Lux
Riley
Conforto
Hoerner
E. Jimenez
Giolito
Civale
I. Anderson
Soroka
Pressly
Hand
Royce Lewis

NOTE: I am invoking a no-trade period for this franchise.....the incoming manager ought to have their say in its direction.

Please feel free to reach out to potential interested parties and connect me with them. Thanks!

179

mjd
ID: 240561719
Thu, May 13, 2021, 14:05

I'd still like Gio back for the new manager. Not fair he should be penalized for my brain fart.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 13, 2021, 15:48

179: I have been giving this thought since we talked.....

Mistaken drops do happen on occasion....most of the time it is immediately noticed and rectified before multiple dominoes fall. I should have hit you up about it, but I didn't.

An option could be:
- Return Urshela to team mjd
- Fix waiver order to restore Tree's spot
- Absolve Tree completely for the accrued stats

However, in reviewing with Tree, the acquisition of Urshela stopped him from other moves that could have benefited his team and was against the option above.

This just sucks all around. There is no perfect solution, but I come to the conclusion that (even though we can all see it was an honest mistake) that it is too far gone and too much time has passed to unwind it now.

182

GO
ID: 531581023
Fri, May 14, 2021, 07:02

Our trades take way too freaking long to process. Any reason we don't shorten it or was it just left to default when we switched?

183

GO
ID: 531581023
Fri, May 14, 2021, 08:33

If a player was inadvertently dropped that is fine but you need to tell someone same day... and certainly before waivers process days later.

Maybe we within 24 hours of the drop? Or even 1 hour? I mean you should know immediately.

184

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, May 14, 2021, 11:02

Re 181, agree on this and think this is the right call by Species.

Re 182, agree on this as well. Yahoo treats the 2 day review time as the 2 days after its accepted, so its basically 3 full days. This will be especially problematic later in the year when time is of the essence even more. Can we just shorten this to 1? Let commish just push trades through even??

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 14, 2021, 12:06

182 / 184: We are set for "2 days" in the settings. There is an option to set it for "1 day"....which, as noted, equates to 2 full days.

Any objections to updating this setting??

186

GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, May 14, 2021, 12:23

I truly don't know what Yahoo means by two days... we did the Voit deal Wednesday at noon. So I guess they are saying 2 full complete days and THEN they process it the day after that? All told its gonna be 4 before I can use Voit.

1 day seems reasonable, so it'll be the day it happens and then one complete day.

I think its fine for the Commish to push deals through but the problem is all the grey area that opens up and that's why I stopped doing it in NFL leagues. Because... what I if I didn't see the deal or forget to push through the next morning etc. Don't want any appearance of gaming the system etc.

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GO
ID: 517342812
Fri, May 14, 2021, 12:25

ALSO... especially in baseball... if you don't see your deal went through at a random time and you don't get the person into the lineup.

I liked ESPN 24 hour rule on the one hand for the speed, but I also go burned by it because it would just randomly go through the next afternoon and might get burned by it if I wasn't on top of things.

188

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, May 14, 2021, 12:54

Because we do daily-today roster changes I think its 3 days max, not 4. I accepted the Yimi trade on the 12th, 13 and 14 are the 2 day review period, and it goes through on the 15th and I can use that same day. The last 3 trades all processed around 4am so safe to assume the trade parties have ample time to plug the new players into that day's lineup. If we were daily-tomorrow changes then it would go through on the 15th but I couldn't use til the 16th, so it would be 4 days in that case. Also, its probably not entirely fair to say 3/4 full days because I could probably accept a trade at 2:59am on the 15th and the review days would likely still be 15 and 16, so in that case it's only like 2.0007 days.

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Fri, May 14, 2021, 12:57

Yes, faster trades. If some lopsided trade happens we can always reverse it or have a longer wait time.

190

Lyman
ID: 290311615
Fri, May 14, 2021, 14:27

I agree that trades should be one day. I also think waivers should be one day. And, yes, Yahoo considers two days as two complete days. So if you make a trade at 3:01 A.M. EST Monday, you have to wait until 3:00 A.M.Thursday before he's on the roster. Way too long.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 14, 2021, 18:39

That is enough support.....and honestly the new setting effectively matches what we had at ESPN, so I don't feel the need for everyone to chime in.

I have change the setting to "1 day".

192

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, May 14, 2021, 19:50

This reminds me. Should the trade council be back in action at this point? We haven't been reviewing trades since the draft.

193

darkside
ID: 47441510
Sat, May 15, 2021, 11:04

Calling up Kelenic for the first time

194

darkside
ID: 47441510
Sat, May 15, 2021, 11:35

Calling up Kelenic for the first time

195

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Sat, May 15, 2021, 12:24

Does that count as 2 call-ups :)

196

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, May 15, 2021, 13:05

Pablo Lopez, David Peterson, Nate Pearson (p) for a good SS and veteran SP, anyone?

197

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, May 15, 2021, 13:10

192: The trade council's role was designed for offseason trades. In-season we have the trade veto process.

199

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Mon, May 17, 2021, 09:59

Youngest player in the MLB Ryan Weathers and Jonathan India are available for a useful veteran or pick or something.

200

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, May 17, 2021, 12:30

Anyone have a SS to trade??

201

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, May 17, 2021, 12:53

Anyone have a SS to trade??

I did release the toadstool yesterday. He's single and ready to mingle.

203

GO
ID: 517342812
Mon, May 17, 2021, 14:55

TRADE
WG acquires
Myles Straw, SS/OF
Richard Rodriguez, RP
Robbie Ray, SP

GO acquires
Pablo Lopez, SP
Blake Treinen, RP
Andrew Young, UT

204

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, May 17, 2021, 14:58

confirmed

205

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, May 17, 2021, 16:50

Shopping prospect Nate Pearson for help where I can use it.

206

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, May 17, 2021, 17:45

Brandon Belt, Jordan Romano, Ian Happ, and Matthew Boyd are on the block. Looking for a stud for all of them, or a few high picks.

207

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Thu, May 20, 2021, 00:45

For the past several weeks, I've had four keepers on the IL, plus Realmuto who's been doing that DTD thing for awhile. I've also had my first, second, and third round picks all on the IL.

This morning, I woke up thinking that luck was gonna' swing back my way ... because I'm getting one of my keepers back.

Instead, my team tried their best to just swing ... batting a crisp 3-32 today.

Maybe good luck will start tomorrow....

208

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, May 20, 2021, 12:12

3-32 seems to be about the norm for most teams these days.

209

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 20, 2021, 13:05

We are just over 25% of the way through the season, and while there is a chase group making moves and trying to join the leaders, a clear pack of 6 teams have forged ahead.

Who has the stamina to stick with the group?
Who has the chance to surge ahead and make a break for it??

Tree has impressed me greatly this year and clearly has the best, most well-rounded pitching in the league. Julio Urias and Corbin Burnes appear totally unstoppable while the flamethrowing White Sox due of Kopech and Cease have each matured at the perfect time. As a manager who watched rookie studs Felix Hernandez and Scott Kazmir stumble as their took their early lumps in the majors, I am impressed by what they are doing. Combine them with the best 1-2 closer punch in the league with Matt Barnes and Emmanuel Clase, Tree's pitching has staying power if they can stay healthy.

Tree's hitting is also top notch in terms of counting stats. However, will OBP be an achilles heel? Probably not for long. While it may be hard for him to creep into the .340s, I don't expect him to stay at .312 for long.

Watch out if.....
....the injury bug strikes. Lots of hitters with 130+ AB on his roster. Outside of the Gleyber COVID deal, for the most part he has been healthy.

=======================================

beastiemiked was on everyone's radar this year if they were paying attention. Nobody in the league had his combination of keepers and picks.....and just imagine if he hadn't wiffed on his 1st round closers (Bradley, Hicks)! bmd had a killer mix of 7 hitter keepers for an amazing base combined with this 'pocket aces' SP of Bauer and Flaherty with Kim as a prospect ready for call-up. He then drew another ace in the drafting of Gausman, giving him a formidable rotation. In the non-save categories, bmd sits with 75 out of a possible 80 points as of this writing. Sick.

....and all of that is ignoring a Mike Trout-esqe talent in Fernando Tatis Jr, with only health slowing him down so far. Combining that with another 2nd generation star in Vlad Guerrero, his hitting is not going away. If anything, you can suggest it has underperformed.

Watch out if.....
....he acquires some closers and his hitting after Tatis/Vlad heats up.

=============================

Great One has EASILY exhibited his most acute management to date in this league, making shrewd trades and even better free agent pickups. First he had the balls to keep Craig Kimbrel, and he is turned back to a 2018 / previous self. Combined with drafting Ian Kennedy and picking up Trivino (let alone trading away Richard Rodriguez) and he has an unstoppable (and seemingly safe) trio of closers (even if Trivino is in a timeshare). Now that he has added Pablo Lopez to the trio of Buehler, Nola and Montas, fuhgettaboutit!

On the hitting side he has been without Ketel Marte almost all season, and he gets him back just in time for a series at Coors Field (Lord help us all)! That said, he has benefitted from some insane starts from Mullins, Walsh, Frazier and IKF (such a keen pick) while Harper and Devers are who we knew they were. Can Rojas keep it up?

Watch out if....
....new acquisition Luke Voit picks up where he left off in 2020, Alec Bohm starts hitting and some of the hot starts can keep up the pace. How in the f**k does this team only have 7 and 8 in HR/RBI?!?!?

==================================

Tosh is no stranger to hot starts. Almost every year I underestimate him, and so often come June 1st he is within a shout of the lead. Sadly, he does tend to be prone to slowly fading, but it only takes 1 year for things to go right for him to contend and maybe even take this thing!

He has hit the jackpot with draftees / pickups Byron Buxton (although health, yet again, derails his path to superstardom), Buster Posey (you think the year off helped?), Lowrie, Carlos Rodon and DeSclafani.

Watch out if....
....he gets healthy. Starling Marte was off to a career start and hopefully is back soon. Buxton, Strasburg, M. Gonzales and DeJong are all hurt as well.

=================================

Species? I might as well rename my team 'smoke and mirrors'. While aces DeGrom and Scherzer (who, just my luck, each lost a full week due to their teams' COVID troubles to start the year) have been aces, I have amassed a nice start in pitching on the backs of old farts like Wade Miley and (until last week) JA Happ while getting great results from retreads like Nick Pivetta, the departed Aaron Sanchez and a variety of pretty decent SP streams. I am happy to be ahead of pace in IP, but have fallen off given DeGrom's IL stint and other injuries.

While my hitting has benefited from really hot starts from Stanton (until his inevitable IL stint), Carlos Santana (incredible), Yadier Molina and (after a BRUTAL first 3 weeks) Andrew McCutcheon, one cannot compete in this league without your studs. Rendon has only 80 AB after two IL stints. Lindor has 3 HR and 8 RBI while Christian Yelich has 0 HR and 1 RBI in 40 AB. I also went through a Ty France "I'm not going to tell you my wrist is hurting so I will go 3 for 45 instead" streak.

Yet somehow I have streamed and conned my way into a decent enough offensive position with a well-timed Joey Wendle pickup (a big target of mine in the draft).

Watch out if.....
....I get healthy and get another closer. Imagine an offense with a healthy and productive Yelich, Lindor, Stanton and Rendon to go with Santana, Abreu and McCutcheon.

========================

Thumper is the clear favorite in my opinion. Ignore for now his 11 point lead -- what scares the crap out of my is that he has done it while Bellinger has been out nearly all year, a rather pedestrian start from Trevor Story (with a Coors-focused beneficial schedule so far), a missing Wil Myers (COVID list) and a not-quite-100% Mookie Betts. Luckily for him Ronald Acuna, despite several little injury dings costing him games, has been a super hero and Yoan Moncada has a .400+ OBP. He has been helped by timely pickups of Robbie Grossman and Lorenzo Cain.

His pitching has started really strong, with Freddy Peralta showing his longtime promise as well as Lance McCullers coming through on his infinite talents. Combing that with Darvish being a top 5 SP and Sonny Gray rounding into form and you have a league-winning rotation.

His closer situation is strong. Will Smith is spotty but will be fine. He has the Seattle situation in hand and Hector Neris has been strong in Philadelphia.

Watch out if....
.....he gets and stays healthy. He is ready for some positive health luck, although there are health risks out there still (in terms of IP workload concerns) with McCullers and Peralta too....can they hold up?

=================================

I have to say this is the most exciting start to a G20 season in a while. 2018 had a 4-team race all the way to the wire, but most of the time 2 or 3 teams tend to boatrace the rest of the league. With 6 teams (or more if WG keeps buying!) all in it, it creates an exciting trade market as teams jockey for position.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!

210

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, May 20, 2021, 13:35

Great write up Species - there's another mini factoid that will be interesting to watch come into play.

Of those top 6, only two are below the IP pace, and dramatically so. As that IP gap closes, one might likely expect points gains in K's, but will there be point loses in WHIP and ERA with more IP?

211

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Thu, May 20, 2021, 14:52

Awesome recap! It feels like every day or two there's a different team on top from that pile of 6 teams so far. There's a whoooole lot of game time left for things to keep drastically changing.

212

GO
ID: 517342812
Thu, May 20, 2021, 15:01

Team Log is a great tool, but I wish for the opposite... to see how many damn HR's I've left on the bench this year. It's 5 at least. With less lineup decisions going forward hopefully I can get more right and move up those categories.

Of course now Ketel back and Brendan Rodgers and Drew Waters on the horizon I'll be back to decisions. So might need to condense again.

213

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, May 20, 2021, 15:16

Meanwhile, I reasonably expected to be one of those six this year, and my team has sucked sh*t all season. Most of the issues have been on the pitching side, but I would say that if I hadn't made the Bellinger trade, I'd be dead last instead of almost last. That was an all-in 2021 kind of trade though, and it's not paying off even though Freeman and Cruz are my best two players.

I counted on two pitchers, one of which pitched out of his mind in 2020 and was due for a regression, and the other a glorified relief pitcher, as he hasn't had a quality start since 2019.

214

Fosten
ID: 454382018
Thu, May 20, 2021, 19:38

Sano just hit a grand slam off Canning in the first inning. I don't know whether to cry or wind my watch. What'd you guys do to Trout? I blame Thumper.

215

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Fri, May 21, 2021, 16:20

Species, awesome write up.

That said, I’m looking for a closer and a hitter that is a plus in OBP.

216

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, May 21, 2021, 19:11

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

BMD Receives
Hansel Robles, RP, Minn
Joc Pederson, 1B-OF, Chi

Lyman Recieves
BMDs 2022 3rd Round Prospect Pick

217

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Fri, May 21, 2021, 19:18

Confirm.

218

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Fri, May 21, 2021, 20:14

Still looking for another “closer”. Preferably one that is not just the committee lead.

219

GO
ID: 531581023
Sun, May 23, 2021, 23:16

Looking to trade my Supplemental #1 for Prospect 1st Rounder.

220

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, May 23, 2021, 23:18

I am also looking to trade for prospect picks, especially first rounders.

221

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, May 23, 2021, 23:19

Trade announcement

BMD receives:
BH’s 2022 S14 and Brandon Belt

BH receives:
BMD’s 2022 S4

222

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, May 23, 2021, 23:28

Confirm

223

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 24, 2021, 10:45

Trades noted in Constitution and draft grids.

My 2nd and 3rd round prospect picks are available for key help. As we all know, we did not hold our 2021 Prospect Draft. As such, all of the 2020 MLB draftees (and emerging J2 signees) - i.e. Torkelson, A. Martin, Lacy, Meyer, Crochet, etc - are all going to be included in the 2022 Prospect Draft. Also in that draft will be all of the 2021 MLB draftees next month, along with additional J2 July signees. It will be the most loaded Prospect Draft ever.

True, the top TOP TOP talent will go in the first round, but that still means there is TONS of talent available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds (let alone the later rounds) that make these picks valuable.

Currently my priorities are SP, Closer and Speed. Supplemental picks also available. Keeper value not required - so give me your often injured or aged - if they can play right now, I may be interested.

224

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, May 24, 2021, 12:26

Nice write-up Species. But I already claimed the 'smoke and mirrors' moniker for my roster. They're playing above their heads.

I was up in Olympic Natl' Park Thursday-Sunday. It was 35 minutes to the nearest internet/cellular and an hour to the nearest town, and I only made it there once. So I missed a Strasburg start. Bummer. I also have missed a few emails from managers. I am working on catching up on life, and will respond to everyone as soon as I can.

225

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:30

343 beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:20 Sending Kwang Hyun-Kim, P, STL down for the 1st time.
I have still rights to him so please don’t pick him up. If you do be prepared to have Species call you out.

226

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, May 25, 2021, 11:52

Ha, I’m an old man that can’t even post in the right thread. Thanks Species.

227

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Wed, May 26, 2021, 10:31

I don’t have everyone’s contact info so I’ve reached out to a few people via yahoo on their messenger system on the app. Even if you aren’t interested(or the message is old), can you respond?

Looking at bigger deals for a closer or another bat.

228

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Wed, May 26, 2021, 10:49

With Bellinger coming back soon, I will have too many quality OF or 1B. Looking to move any of the names there (except Acuna or Belli) for a comparable player or package. That's Betts, Myers, Cron, Grossman, and Cain.

229

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, May 26, 2021, 14:35

Even if you aren’t interested(or the message is old), can you respond?

there are some folks who don't bother...it's annoying AF.

230

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 28, 2021, 13:23

Trade Announcement:

Species receives:
Michael Pineda
VW's 2022 S8

VampireWeekend receives:
Jon Gant
Species 2022 S2

231

VampireWeekend
Dude
ID: 24100310
Fri, May 28, 2021, 14:05

Confirmed

232

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, May 29, 2021, 16:20

Anyone looking for a catcher?

I now have Mike Zunino available. His OBP isn't great, but his counting stats are good, and he ranks as the #8 catcher YTD at Yahoo. #201 Overall YTD, so early-ish round value.

I'm looking for a pitcher in return.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, May 29, 2021, 23:40

Speaking of catchers, I’ve got James McCann available, 4 hits tonight, including a homer, also been playing a bunch of first base. Asking for a pick or p pick.

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, May 30, 2021, 12:06

Calling up Kim.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, May 30, 2021, 19:14

LOL.....adding my self to the prospect pickup shame list. I picked up Hunter Harvey.

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, May 31, 2021, 09:34

Haha, shame!

Fun fact, I decided to pick Hunter Harvey over Alex Reyes in the 2020 Prospect Draft because I’m an idiot.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 31, 2021, 14:38

After taking a look at the prospect list, it's a good time to remind existing managers, and highlight for newer managers, some nuances of our games played / innings pitched limitations:

When a prospect is NOT on your roster but still on the Prospect List:

Prospects on the prospect list when they hit their limits - either 300 AB, or either of 40 games pitched or 110 innings pitched - may REMAIN on the prospect list through the end of the current season. They remain protected prospects until the end of the year which, by rule, at the end of the season are considered 'called up' and part of your regular roster.

Those prospects that exceed limits are then no longer eligible for the prospect list and MAY NOT be '10th keepered'. They are only allowed to be kept in your 9 'major league' keepers at that point.

Examples at the moment include James Karinchak, Ryan Mountcastle and Yoshi Tsutsugo.

When a prospect IS on your roster but have exceeded limits:

They are no longer considered prospects. Having exceeded limits, they may no longer be sent down and I have now removed them from the prospect list. That includes:

Alec Bohm
Alex Reyes
Justus Sheffield
Sean Murphy
Austin Hays

Before they hit limits, you can send a prospect back down and retain their rights through the end of the season. This can be a viable strategy for a rebuilding team who would rather use a roster spot for prospect or injury stashes. They would retain rights to that player through the regular season, and 'call them up' for the last time in the offseason and still be able to keep them in their 9 keepers.

Randy Arozarena is a great example. Arozarena has 276 ab as of this morning. Guru could choose to send him down to the prospect list and hide him there, protected, through the 2021 regular season. He would then have to keep him in his 9 keepers in March 2022, but he would have that extra roster spot for the remainder of the year. But once Arozarena hits 300 ab, if he is still on Guru's major league roster he loses prospect eligibility.

Nico Hoerner, Ian Anderson, Nick Madrigal and Jazz Chisholm (although only at 166 ab so far) are another examples of players about to exceed limits.

Consider your prospects and watch their limits carefully! My examples above are just examples and not a 100% list of who has exceeded limits or who is approaching them. Mind to them yourselves!

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Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, May 31, 2021, 20:02

[238] - I thought that 2020 did not exist in our world.

Justus Sheffield had 55.1 IP in 2020, leaving him with 87.2 career IP.

Should he not still be a prospect, or am I not understanding that rule??

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 31, 2021, 21:20

239: Something along those lines was discussed, but in the end my personal recollection was that any GP or IP during 2020 would not impact a prospect's eligibility at the start of the 2021 season, but from there stats/GP/IP would accrue normally.

I found 2 posts that I think confirm my recollection....but there may be others that conflict with this, so feel free to point it out if there are!

219 Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 09, 2020, 11:48 Okay, so the concept of "time warping" to March 2021 and beginning the next G20 season at that time is an overwhelming favorite as to what we do right now. If anyone has objections, speak now or forever hold your peace. I have been prodding managers to have their say, so if you are silent, after multiple email reminders, then that is on you. Your silence equates to a positive vote towards this course of action.

What this means is:

- The 2020 and 2021 draft grids and pick trades each get pushed out one year
- The 'new' 2021 draft grid will be exactly as it shows in our link above. Everything already applied at the time COVID hit - demerits, lottery, trades - will continue to apply in 2021
- We will pick up where we left off: keepers set (although with a potential adjustment - see below); a completed Prospect Draft (with full compliment of 100 prospects); preparing to launch the Supplemental Draft; and in the midst of our trade moratorium
- 10th keepers would be unaffected by the GP/IP/AB they receive during the 2020 season. Ignoring of GP/IP/AB would only apply to 10th keepers and not other prospects on the prospect list.
- However, I am advocating for the opportunity to adjust keepers. There are just too many real-life trades, retirements and injuries 12 months after you made a decision that greatly impact a 20-team Dynasty League such as this. I have a hard time cementing a team into a decision from 12 months ago.
- We also must decide as a group whether to allow trades and whether those trades may impact

249 Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 14:54 G20:

Keeping my fingers crossed that we will be able to enjoy a bit of Baseball in this crazy COVID world. As outlined in Post 219 (and clarified in 227), I have done the following to our rosters and constitution:

1) Removed 10th keepers from team rosters. This is necessary to re-populate rosters with their pre-keeper players so they have players to choose from for the 2021 keeper deadline.

2) Added 10th keepers to our list of prospects as a separate entry onto the Prospect List to indicate which teams retain 10th keeper rights to those players.

2a) 10th keeper status may NOT be amended between now and the 2021 season. We will resume the 2021 season with the Prospect Keeper Deadline having passed, 10th keepers announced and our Prospect Draft complete.
2b) Any AB, GP or IP accumulated by already announced 10th keepers will be ignored. All existing 10th keepers will retain eligibility going into 2021.
2c) Some players who were eligible for our 2020 Prospect Draft were on a team's ending 2019 / pre-keeper 2020 roster. Any of those such players that were then drafted in our 2020 prospect draft WERE NOT added to that team's roster for 'this' season. But, I may miss some. Prospect list takes precedence.

3) I have added to every team's roster - as closely as I can - their 2020 roster as it stood before keepers were run. My process was to use the 2019 ending roster as a base, and try to consider players traded in the offseason that did not ultimately get kept by the receiving team. My intent in this "time warp" season was to reset rosters to their 2020 pre-keeper state.

Alex Verdugo is one notable example of a player that was traded but not kept by the receiving team. I believe I accurately put him on DK's team. He is obvious, but there could be other, more obscure players that I missed. Let's face it, in this imperfect solution to a lost season, some scrub today could evolve into a keeper worthy player. Someone coming out of nowhere to become a stud closer during this 2020 season is a prime example -- a team could have streamed a reliever on the last day of 2019 and they turn into 2020's version of Liam Hendriks.

I know I will miss some. Perhaps many. Please audit your own rosters and advise of any players that were on your roster at the Keeper Deadline. Those belong to you.

4) Waivers / free agent pickups are forbidden. Any found will be reversed.

5) Trades are forbidden until October 1st. At that point we will consider ourselves in the offseason, and all players, picks, prospects and keepers are all fair game for offseason trades.

6) The existing draft grid will be used to start 2021. Previously traded 2021 picks will be pushed out to 2022.

7) The 2021 prospect draft pick trades will be pushed out to 2022. While there is a suggestion to have an interim prospect draft at the All Star game of 2021, at this moment that is only a discussion piece.

8) 2021 keepers will be run like any other year. We all have something resembling our roster before keepers were run in 2020. Once the 2020 offseason hits, it is open season on trades, and you may adjust / choose your keepers for 2021 with whatever roster you have assembled at that time.

==========================================

Hopefully that covers all of the relevant points of our 2020 reset / time warp / whatever. If you have any concerns or questions - or better yet a correction to your roster - please advise.

Best wishes to you and your families.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 31, 2021, 21:25

239: Reading post 240 again, I see how I use the words Any AB, GP or IP accumulated by already announced 10th keepers will be ignored. All existing 10th keepers will retain eligibility going into 2021.

That treatment was intended to only impact 10th keepers eligibility on the prospect list to start the 2021 season.

For example, if player X was a prospect and claimed as a 10th keeper in March 2020 and they had 200 AB at the time, they were a legitimate prospect and 10th keeper. If, during the shortened 2020 season they got 150 more AB, technically they would have exceeded the 300 AB and not be eligible for the Prospect List to begin with, and thus not be 10th keeper eligible. The rule was designed to retain that eligibility regardless.

I don't believe it was ever our intent to ignore it forever.

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Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, May 31, 2021, 22:35

Thanks Species. I am good with that. Not an issue at my end. Hopefully I'm not the only one that misunderstood the rule.

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Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jun 01, 2021, 08:06

i understood it that 10th keepers were still 10th keepers regardless of accrued IP/GP, but that the actual stats still accrued - i'm sure we did this because of the simple fact that keeping track of the numbers that didn't count would be quite a bit of work.

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Jun 01, 2021, 10:04

Species, maybe clarify how many times a prospect can be called up and sent down while still a prospect. My understanding:

Player A is under the limits
1) Called up to your roster
2) Sent down. You retain their rights
3) Called up to your roster
4) Sent down. You retain their rights
5) Called up. If sent down again rights are lost.

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jun 01, 2021, 10:43

245: Species, maybe clarify how many times a prospect can be called up and sent down while still a prospect. My understanding:

Player A is under the limits
1) Called up to your roster
2) Sent down. You retain their rights
3) Called up to your roster
4) Sent down. You retain their rights
5) Called up. If sent down again rights are lost.

1 through 4 are accurate, but I would correct #5:

5) Called up, including 10th keepered, and all prospect list rights are lost. This player is now treated like any other player on your major league roster.

You get a grand total of 2 callups and corresponding send-downs. That's why in #5, once you call him up that 3rd time, all former rights of protection on the prospect list are lost. We did this to avoid the Prospect List being used in a taxi-squad like move / being an extra roster spot.

Using Kim as an example, you have called him up twice. You may send him down again (i.e. #4) but that is it. If Kim were to stop pitching before hitting 110ip, he would still be eligible for the Prospect List through the offseason and be eligible as a 10th keeper.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 09:03

My p1 is available for the best SP I can find

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Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 10:08

My p1 is available for the best SP I can find

Done. Cy Young is yours. Or Nolan Ryan. Or Walter Johnson. Or Satchel Paige.

you choose!

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WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 11:19

Daniel Bard + Greg Holland otb if anyone needs some saves.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 12:19

Thanks as always for your input Tree

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jun 04, 2021, 17:28

Definitely prefer Lefty Grove to that lot.

Looking to deal Jays closer Jordan Romano or Tigers OBP machine Jeimer Candelario. Obviously, OBP and saves are two categories in this league, although you wouldn’t know it by looking at the leaderboard.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jun 06, 2021, 00:10

Trade Announcement

Tosh receives
BH 2022 11th (if I have it)
Kris Bubic

BH receives
Tosh 2022 7th

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Jun 06, 2021, 11:56

Sending Kim down for the 2nd time.

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Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sun, Jun 06, 2021, 14:07

[252] -- Confirm. My 7th for BH's 11th.

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darkside
ID: 4850716
Mon, Jun 07, 2021, 17:00

Sending down Kelenic for the first time

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 09:07

Curious thought - What % of pitchers do you think use some sort of sticky substance? 50%? 75+%?

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 10:44

DeGrom and Cole appear to be using magic, I’m waiting for that to be outlawed.

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GO
ID: 33543812
Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 13:45

No better crew to ask than this group of fellow nerds! :)

Is there a baseball/board game out there that uses dice rolls paired with current baseball cards? Not a complicated stratomatic either, talking for kids under 10.

It seems to me it would be possible to have a game with a board (baseball field) and dice rolling... whether it be traditional dice or baseball specific outcomes (i.e single, double, fly out, HR etc. ) as you roll. But the unique thing would be incorporating whatever cards the kid has on hand to encourage them to collect. So an outcome could be flyout unless your hitter had more than 30 HR's last year... and then they'd flip the card over to see the result.

They could draft a team/lineup based on whatever cards on hand and work through the batting order.

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Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 17:06

I think the Topps BUNT app lets you use cards you collect kind of like fantasy in some sort of game. Never tried it, but that's the only thing I'm aware of.

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GO
ID: 33543812
Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 17:23

Sounds good from the collection standpoint at least. Wonder how much my Schwarber rookie card is at this point.

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GO
ID: 33543812
Tue, Jun 08, 2021, 20:09

Baseball Card ASG Board Game...
Astade wins the day! Now how the heck do I locate a copy of this game.

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Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:33

I've got a couple of hardcore board game nerds in my circle - lemme see if any of them have any connections...

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Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 18:51

Calling up Skubal for first time (probably last since he's at 86 IP)

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Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Jun 12, 2021, 09:26

For some reason, I just noticed this, and wanted to question it, regarding the prospect draft

You can ignore the seeding in this example. I needed to use something to just show who has what in each particular round. As always, the seeding for the draft will start in inverse order of the standings for the 2021 season, and then we will run our draft lottery.

We suspended the prospect draft due to COVID. The 2020 prospect draft would have been done according to the standings of 2019.

My understanding was that basically everything was in a suspended animation sort of place, and once baseball resumed, those draft slots from 2019 were preserved - i'm not sure why that's different for the prospect draft.

To me, there are only two ways to do this, to maintain some degree of fairness and consistency.

1. Things remain as they were, with the draft positions for the 2020 draft being as they were originally set after 2019.

2. We have two prospect drafts - one for the class of 2020 based on the 2019 finish, one for the class of 2021, based on the 2021 finish.

To me, the second one adds a lot more fun, because who doesn't love a prospect draft!??!!?

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GO
ID: 531581023
Sat, Jun 12, 2021, 12:24

Calling up Brendan Rodgers.

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sat, Jun 12, 2021, 21:17

Tree, we had the 2020 pdraft. It was right when everything was shutting down. The 2022 pdraft will use this years standings since we didn’t play in 2020. It’s going to be loaded since it will include 2 years worth of mlb draftees that can’t be kept(they could be picked up this year and played but they have to cycle through a pdraft before they can be kept). One of the reasons why pdraft picks are more valuable in 2022.

267

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 17:26

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Tree Receives
Mike Minor
Lucas Sims
Lyman's 2022 3rd Round Prospect Pick

Lyman Receives
Tree's 2022 1st Round Prospect Pick

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Tree
ID: 571142323
Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 01:50

Confirmed.

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Matt G
ID: 1248185
Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 18:05

Re: 258 I was a big fan of apba as a kid and my uncle still plays but it’s complicated not an easy thing.

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Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 09:22

Just pasting a snapshot of our shiny league-wide ERA and WHIPs before it all goes to hell from the removal of pitcher's sticky substances

beastiemiked
3.46
1.09

GO's Black Sox
3.29
1.12

FW House Martins
3.20
1.13

Thumpers
3.44
1.15

Endangered Species
3.30
1.17*

youngroman's Luschen
3.61
1.23*

U Can't Tosh This
4.07
1.23*

mjd
4.12
1.21*

Wazaaap Guy
3.62
1.23*

RotoGuru
3.75
1.25

Matthew's Team
3.55
1.21*

Munson Mobsters
4.48
1.33

darkside of the moon
4.28*
1.22

Jon Dowd
4.16
1.27

Donkey Kong
3.58
1.17*

Lyman Bostock 10
3.69
1.14

Blue Hen
4.27
1.29

Code Toothpick
3.83
1.19

Nerfherders
4.28*
1.39

VampireWeekend
4.71
1.31

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Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 10:03

good post. it's a damned shame MLB is playing politics and screwing with the health of their players by making this mid-season change.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 10:19

The Tyler Glasnow interview blaming the MLB tacky stuff policy on his UCL tear is pretty wild

273

GO
ID: 33543812
Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 10:22

Yahoo added a sort on the PC version of the site filtering players just with games today OR tomorrow. Something I suggested a while back to them as a feature I liked on ESPN.

Lets see if they get it worked into the app too.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 12:22

I’m looking to move down in the P draft to move up in the S draft. Not giving away a P pick, just moving down.

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GO
ID: 531581023
Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 22:17

I think we fixed it, Species please doublecheck....

Modifying Voit deal.
Instead of GOs P1 which he didnt have...
Lyman acquires
GOs 2022 2nd round Prospect pick
GOs 2022 1st round Supp pick

GO acquires
Lymans 2023 5th round Prospect pick

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Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 22:21

275. Confirmed

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Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 23:55

*******************************************

COMMISH - Please include Lyman's 2022 14th round supp pick going to team GO as part of trade in post 275 - in order to even out supp picks on 2022 supp draft grid.

*******************************************

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Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 10:47

Noted in Constitution and Draft Grids.

Good work guys in negotiating a compromise.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 17:18

Since a lot of teams are throwing in the towel, I’d like to take the temperature on minimums. Once someone has hit the minimum, can he empty out all his slots? If not, is there an appropriate solution to handle this?

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Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 18:37

Once someone has hit the minimum, can he empty out all his slots?

as in, stop fielding a lineup?

I'd personally advocate for expulsion from the league, because not playing out the season has an effect on everyone, and could dramatically alter the final standings for all teams, not just the team volunteering to be removed from the league.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 00:24

That’s why I’m bringing it up now. And kind of wondering why we have minimums at all.

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Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 10:57

And kind of wondering why we have minimums at all.

agreed. i've been making this argument for years.

283

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 13:46

279 - 282:

The original rules when I took over were ambiguous, written to require that teams have enough players on their roster to fill a complete lineup. That meant not too many injured guys nor prospects to just tank and ignore any duty to put forth as many counting stats as you could. This resulted in some arguments over lack of clarity and how it was on the Commissioner's discretion (and a manager's own ethics) to enforce.

We changed the rule to add the minimums. This provided easy to understand, completely fair and unbiased method to monitor team activity. Simple and concrete.

While technically, so long as any manager meets minimums, they can manage their team as they wish, including benching players. Is that cool? Is that becoming of the type of honor we expect in G20? F**k no.

284

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 14:11

Looking for a pitcher who can get wins. Don’t care how old they are

285

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 14:58

Speaking of trading pitchers with wins......I am fast approaching the finalization of my decision to pack it in for this year and make certain veterans available in trade.

Who does this include??

Max Scherzer: A league winning difference maker. Not slowing down despite his age....2.21 era and 12.10 K/9. On the IL, but it is for a groin and not his arm. As opposed to other SP on my list (or otherwise available), he is still keeper worthy for 2021. No, he is not a 26-year old 3-5 year keeper....but those considering buying him can do so for 2022 as well with complete confidence.

Charlie Morton: Morton started slow with a HR/FB rate that was THREE TIMES his career norms....in other words, a fluke. He has found his groove over the past 30 days to the tune of 4 wins, 3.14 era, 1.08 whip and 30 k in 28 ip.

Wade Miley: A few weeks is a good start. 6 weeks might be a trend. But we are over 2 and a half months of excellence for a surprising Reds team. Miley has posted 6 wins, a 2.88 era and 1.09 whip this season. Over the last month he is even better with ratios of 1.80 era and 1.12 whip.

Other P: Michael Pineda could be a good 4th/5th starter when healthy. Josh Staumont is in the closer mix in KC.

On the hitter side, I have a variety of valuable veteran hitters to productively boost your stats in between injuries or to replace under-performers:

Andrew McCutchen/Odubel Herrera are both producing well in our format for the Phillies. Cutch sports a solid .342 obp with consistent counting stats of
32 runs, 35 rbi, 12 hr and even 3 sb. Herrera is a solid fill-in with valuable 2b eligibility.

Carlos Santana: Simply continues to hit with a .370 obp, 11 hr, 38 runs and rbi.

Joey Wendle is a valuable Swiss army know with 2b/ss/3b eligibility. You have to pay attention because he is a platoon player, but on the strong side. He has posted a strong line of .345 obp, 7 hr, 38 runs, 31 rbi and even 5 steals!

Max Stassi has been on absolute 🔥 since his return from the IL if you need some power and obp from your C position.

Who is unlikely to be available:
I expect to hold onto Jose Abreu, Giancarlo Stanton and Anthony Rendon....although a conversation about them is not out of the question.

Ty France, Francisco Lindor, Christian Yelich and Jacob DeGrom are unavailable.

Seeking (in order, but also dependent upon the quality of the players I give up):
1) Prospects
2) Keepers - maybe you have someone out for the year that is good to go later in the year or next year
3) Prospect picks
4) Supplemental picks

===========

We have 4 teams who have made it this far into contention. SO MUCH has to go right to win.....one would have thought my team might have had the stuff, but Lindor, Yelich and Rendon in particular just haven't put up anything resembling a normal season and I fear it is too late to reverse.

I hope the contenders realize how hard it is to have so many dominoes fall into place to contend....and even more to win! Tree and bmd had a treasure trove of high S-picks this year.....how often will that happen? GO has been on the precipice of his team being ready to contend....but this is the first time he has ever been in this position.

Moral to the story: don't waste your chance....it could be the only one you get for years!!! One of the 4 of you are going to do what it takes to secure these differences making players!

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 18:30

Calling up Hunter Harvey 1st time.

287

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 12:39

TRADE

Thumper gets Yimi Garcia and WG's 2022 s9 (via Jon Dowd)

WG gets Craig Stammen and Thumper's 2022 s3

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 12:44

Confirmed

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beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 10:04

Sending Harvey down.

290

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 10:09

better late than never, calling up Ryan Mountcastle.

291

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 11:20

Unscored upon in his last 15 appearances, with 3 saves in the last week, Jordan Romano has climbed to a 110 ranking for the season despite an unclear (until now) grip on the closer role.

This elite closer is on the block. I’d either trade him for picks/p-picks or package him with Ian Happ/Jeimer Candelario/Bobby Dalbec/Clint Frazier/Jon Villar for one surefire keeper.

If you’re allegedly in contention, Romano will help your team.

292

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 14:56

I'm looking towards the future and so am trying to move any and all of the following, if anyone has any interest: Yuli Gurriel, Josh Donaldson, Zack Greinke, Alex Wood, Cole Irvin, Daniel Bard, and Greg Holland; and any lesser players as throw ins. I'd also move Lance Lynn (#38 overall, #9 SP on Pitcherlist) for a younger, keepable SP or in a deal for one.

293

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Jun 28, 2021, 16:14

TRADE

BMD gets Michael Brantley and Richard Rodriguez
WG gets Franmil Reyes

294

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 16:08

Confirm, no picks involved.

Still looking to add pieces. Elite closer and starting pitcher are main things I’m looking for. Have things to offer like 1st and 2nd round prospect picks, supp picks, and Mackenzie Gore.

295

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 09:23

TRADE

Tree gets Yuli Gurriel, Josh Donaldson, Alex Wood, and Daniel Bard
WG gets Ryan Mountcastle and Gleyber Torres

296

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 11:02

The following players have exceeded prospect limits and are on their team's major league rosters. Accordingly, they are being removed from the prospect list:

Casey Mize
Nick Madrigal
Ryan Mountcastle
Ian Anderson
Randy Arozarena

The following players have exceeded limits but are still on the prospect list. These players may remain protected on the prospect list through the remainder of the regular season. At that time, they are considered called up to the major league roster and may only be kept amongst your 9 keepers. If these players get called up, they immediately lose their prospect eligibility:

James Karinchak

Tarik Skubal is at the limit - literally - at 109.2 IP. LOL his next out will put him over the limit. Also approaching limits are Jazz Chisholm and Kwang Hyun Kim.

NOTE: all of these are by my somewhat cursory review. I may have missed some. It is up to each manager to track their own prospects as they approach or exceed limits.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 14:27

Also looking to add pieces. All prospects, p picks, most mlb players on the table for the right guy(s)

298

MattG
ID: 576318
Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 09:03

Based on where my team is at come ASB I'll begin fielding offers for veterans and non-keepers. That being said, I'm not pulling the trigger until after the ASB.

I have my 9 keepers pretty well locked in. I would be looking for prospects, younger MLB Talent that hasn't reached potential and picks picks picks.

299

GO
ID: 33543812
Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 09:50

If Bryce could hit a single HR this year with someone on base, that would be nice. Not an exaggeration. 13 for 13 solo shots.

300

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 12:33

Morton/Cutch trade
Bmd sends 2022 2nd round ppick
Bmd sends 2023 5th round supp pick

Species sends 2023 14th round supp pick

301

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 01, 2021, 12:36

Confirmed

302

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 11:38

Yoan Moncada is available

303

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Jul 02, 2021, 12:49

I've had some inquiries on Nelson Cruz. I'm looking for a keeper-quality pitcher for him. Not too interested in a quantity trade as I'm obviously looking towards '22.

305

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Mon, Jul 05, 2021, 20:49

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

WG RECEIVES
GO's 2022 2nd Round Prospect Pick
Lyman's 2022 5th Round Supp Pick
Adam Duvall
Gary Sanchez

LYMAN RECEIVES
*** WG's 2022 1st Round Prospect Pick ***
Thumper's 2022 3rd Round Supp Pick

*** PICK IS CONDITIONAL ***

A) If WG's 2022 1st Round Prospect Pick is top-3 overall, WG keeps pick and Lyman gets GO's 2022 1st Round Prospect Pick (WG owned) instead.
B) If both WG's and GO's 2022 1st round prospect picks are in the top-3, Lyman gets WG's 2023 1st Round Prospect Pick instead.

FYI - THIS IS AN UPDATED VERSION TO PREVIOUS TRADE POST.

306

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Jul 05, 2021, 21:01

Confirmed

307

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 12:27

Gleyber Torres otb, looking for more pop from 2b/3b or future asset.

308

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 16:15

TRADE

WG gets BH's 2022 p3(mjd) and Wily Peralta
BH gets Gleyber Torres

309

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 16:19

Confirmed.

Looking to get back that p pick from someone else. Anyone need a closer?

312

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 13:14

Clarifying 308, the deal is for MJD’s 3rd, acquired in the Pressly deal, not my own 3rd, which I still own.

313

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 16:42

Jesus Sanchez is an owned prospect already.

314

Fosten
ID: 131049118
Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 20:27

Hey folks, it's almost the All-Star Break. You know what that means! Yard sale season.
I was cleaning out the attic and found an entire keeper team of 9 players.
- Hitters: Profar, Sano, Pollock, Haniger, Haase
- Pitchers: Canning, Keller, Price, Taillon
Have some other baseball cards in another case somewhere.
Can get them out if you want to take a look at them.

315

darkside
ID: 56619921
Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 22:20

Sorry, guys. My second time picking up a prospect. Third strike and I'm out. Apologies.

316

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 14:15

Who wants to make a trade for the hell of it

317

GO
ID: 33543812
Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 11:16

I do!... why are the draft picks not integrated in Yahoo? that is a thing in my other leagues. Do we have that turned off?

Trade
GO acquires Brandon Crawford and Dowd 11th round supp pick
JD acquires someone and GO's 3rd round supp pick

318

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 13:32

No picks being swapped in the Myers/Bohm/Caleb smith trade

319

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 11:29

Kim is no longer a prospect. Called up for the last time.

320

Fosten
ID: 246501711
Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:50

Fosten calls up Ke'Bryan Hayes for the first time.

321

GO
ID: 531581023
Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 06:27

Can we push through Myers/Bohm this morning since it failed for roster siz stuff? I moved Bohm out of my IL.

322

GO
ID: 531581023
Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 08:40

Hello there. The Bohm Myers trade pending is the same one since Friday, it failed overnight Saturday because of moving IL guys around and not having and having the spot freed up. Can we please process it so we aren't going on 5 days to get the deal through?

323

GO
ID: 33543812
Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 13:46

And if still nobody sees this and I lose another day, I need someone to put Myers into my empty OF slot retroactively so I don't lose tonight's game.

324

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 15:07

Mark Canha (.377) OTB if anyone needs OBP help. Zack Greinke too. Trade one or the pair for a future asset or keeper/prospect upgrade.

325

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 20:10

Next on the block is Didi Gregorius. Can get you 12-15 HR out of the SS position.

326

Jon Dowd
ID: 29644216
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 07:44

Sorry for the delay, confirm post 317

328

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 12:12

321/322/323: I feel for GO's frustrations, but the way I have treated these types of requests over the years has been to leave them in the hands of you, the managers. Over the years I will get texts/emails asking if I can push a trade through early so a team can get a start from a pitcher, or a game in Colorado, etc.

I feel that allowing the mechanics of the host site (i.e. trading timing vs. roster deadlines, etc) is the only equitable way to manage trades. That way, it applies the same to every team and every trade with no favoritism. Otherwise, a commissioner is having to push things through for basically everyone. No thanks.

I put that burden on each of you. You want Max Scherzer's next start? Make the trade and take that timing into account, including what time of day you accept the trade. Accept the trade on Monday at 1:30pm ET, but there is a 1:00pm ET game on Wednesday? That's on you.

Sadly in this case, none of this was GO's doing. Thumper had some IL slot machinations to work through before the trade could be appropriately consummated on the Yahoo site. I sympathize with his frustrations, and could appreciate his desire for a work-around, but I was not receptive for the reasons stated above.

329

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 16:26

Guys I’m remote can someone tell me if kiriloff is consider a prospect still?

330

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 19:52

329: Yes. He has 215 major league AB. You can send him down if you wish, and assuming he does not exceed 300 AB, he would be eligible as a '10th keeper' next year.

331

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 18:23

I also have Joakim Soria, now closing for the D'backs.

Could be had for John Kruk's broken bat and a 600 level ticket to the next Phillies game.

332

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 14:26

Trade Announcement

WG gets
Joely Rodriguez, RP, TEX
Gilberto Jimenez, OF, BOS (prospect)
Thumper’s 2022 p3

Thumper gets
Zach Greinke, SP, HOU

333

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 14:27

Confirmed

334

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 15:08

Sending kiriloff down to minors

335

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 16:12

As all of my closers are getting traded into setup roles, reminder of how trash the Save stat is these days.

336

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 15:29

Trade Announcement

Code Toothpick receives
Yoan Moncada, 3B, CHW
Lance McCullera, SP, HOU
Dane Dunning, SP, TEX
Aaron Bracho (prospect), 2B, CLE

Thumper Receives
Brandon Woodruff, SP, MIL
Jake Odorizzi, SP, HOU

337

Code Toothpick
ID: 26352914
Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 15:35

Confirming trade outlined on 336

338

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 16:26

reminder of how trash the Save stat is these days.

lamest stat in all of fantasy baseball.

339

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 17:42

"lamest stat in all of fantasy baseball." ~ Tree

Only the second lamest, actually. Wins are the lamest stat in fantasy baseball. If you stay on top of it, you can chase and find saves all year long. Try finding wins. You can also trade for a Mark Melancon and - unless his arm falls off - expect, on average, at least six or seven saves per month. Or you can trade for the best pitcher in the galaxy, Jacob DeGrom, and potentially get no wins - or not nearly as many as you should.

It's an idea that gets zero attention or consideration from leaguemates and other traditionalists, but I've suggested over and over again that all pitching categories be ratios. It levels the playing field and gives all good pitchers - starters, closers AND middle relievers - the exact value they deserve. No flukey crap like an average middle reliever like Brent Suter having nine wins and Luis Castillo having four, or Pablo Lopez having five, or Joe Musgrove having six, or worst of all, Corbin Burnes having six.

340

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 17:26

nah, saves are more lame, because it's literally the only category some pitchers contribute to.

Case in point - Joakim Soria is a hold when he's a closer, but he's release when he's not.

DeGrom is a keeper no matter how many wins he gets.

341

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 19:56

I just had the same thing happen in another league. My bullpen is:

Will Smith
Taylor Rogers
Richard Rodriguez
Yimi Garcia
Joakim Soria

I hate saves.

342

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 08:43

Seeking a productive veteran bat. Any age or position

343

GO
ID: 531581023
Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 13:36

As I cant send Walsh to the DL, I am looking to trade him for a veteran preferably with middle infield or 1B eligibility. Same for Voit I suppose but he's not costing me a roster crunch right now.

344

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 16:31

Interested in moving Mccutchen for a healthy hitter. I know he’s probably not a keeper but you may be able to flip him after he gets healthy(should be a short DL stint).

345

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 22:40

Seeking to trade Clint Frazier (IL-eligible), Jeimer Candelario (OBP machine), and Matt Harvey (can’t believe I actually posted that). Yes, I am aware this is not a 2017 league.

346

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Aug 03, 2021, 17:02

Seeking to trade Clint Frazier (IL-eligible), Jeimer Candelario (OBP machine), and Matt Harvey (can’t believe I actually posted that).

John Axford was just traded for $1.

I will match that for any player you mentioned.

347

Tree
ID: 571142323
Tue, Aug 03, 2021, 17:14

Presumably there are some draft picks and or prospects involved in the Van Meter - Wainwright deal?

350

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 15:49

The Bohm / Votto trade between Thumpers and DK includes a clause that if a player lands on the IL before the trade processes, then DK/Thumper can void it

351

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Aug 04, 2021, 16:34

so the draft pick swap from the VanMeter/Wainwright swap seems to have been removed from the boards.

Are y'all reworking that, or is the trade as is, VanMeter for Wainwright?

352

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 00:35

346: A few years ago, we instituted a rule that we don’t disparage specific players on these boards. Please adhere.

Also, you can keep your $1. You’ll need it, plus $13.99 more to buy yourself a championship trophy, since it won’t be coming from G20.

I kid, I kid, just drawing some attention to really the only three rules of G20: don’t disparage players, no personal attacks, and don’t pick up someone else’s prospect.

353

Jon Dowd
ID: 29644216
Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 08:59

347/351 - Was under the assumption that bmd had posting, but maybe it was removed. The pick swap is bmd's 2022 higher s4 pick for JD's 2022 s12.

354

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 09:06

346: A few years ago, we instituted a rule that we don’t disparage specific players on these boards. Please adhere.

how did i disparage any player? John Axford was literally traded for a dollar this week. That's a fact.

355

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Thu, Aug 05, 2021, 10:23

Not sure what happened to all those posts. I posted it once. Deleted it because it had the wrong years and then posted it again with the right info. It definitely was up for awhile and then somehow the right one was deleted. Probably my fault working from the wonky safari browser.

Dowd has it right. One clarification on the 4th round pick is we couldn’t figure out how my current two picks in the 4th round will be determined(I owned Meatwads and Greggo’s picks). We worded it so Dowd gets the higher one no matter what even if I end up trading my other 4th.

356

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Aug 06, 2021, 09:24

Anyone needing saves and obp, looking to trade Kenley Jansen, Mark Canha, and a p3-p5 pick swap for an asset or an upgrade on an existing keeper/prospect.

357

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, Aug 06, 2021, 22:15

*** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ***

LYMAN RECEIVES
Josh Jung (Prospect)
Mike Minor
Braxton Garrett

TREE RECEIVES
Zac Gallen
Patrick Wisdom

358

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 00:33

My homerism is sad, but it was a deal that needed to be done. Confirmed.

359

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sat, Aug 07, 2021, 00:36

Ramon Laureano on the block for a rebuilding team.

When he comes off his suspension in late April, he will still only be 27 years old.

360

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Aug 08, 2021, 00:32

Benintendi available for cheap. Not looking for much. Either someone that can help me this year but isn’t a keeper or a small supplemental pick upgrade.

361

darkside
ID: 4673088
Sun, Aug 08, 2021, 09:30

Calling up Kelenic for the second time

362

GO
ID: 531581023
Sun, Aug 08, 2021, 13:52

Am I the only one that talks to his team when setting lineups? Underperforming star SS? You now are my UT guy cause you don't deserve to be on the top line.. Nola got booted from my top SP slot, better get his act together! Just some motivational tactics before he hits the trade block cause i need some immediate production:)

363

GO
ID: 33543812
Sun, Aug 08, 2021, 14:04

bonus commentary... Kieboom has been an nice little pickup -- post hype sleeper maybe? that said I can't start him which stinks. So I would move him for veteran non-keeper 2B or 1B with some power. Paired with Walsh, Voit maybe?

364

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Aug 08, 2021, 18:52

How does one get better at accruing pitching wins? Asking for a friend

365

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Sun, Aug 08, 2021, 21:22

"How does one get better at accruing pitching wins?" ~ Thumper

"All you need is luck." ~ John Lennon

366

GO
ID: 531581023
Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 22:32

Trade
GO acquires Moustakas
WG acquires Kieboom + GO's Round 3 Prospect pick

367

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 22:58

Confirmed

368

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 10:10

Hey G20 - been out of the country for 8 days and catching up on some random items:

1) Please note Jose Barrero of Cincy is a protected prospect, the former Jose Garcia who is on darkside's prospect list. I have updated his name in the Constitution.

2) Note the following on prospects:
- Kim removed - if bmd drops him he is now fair game
- Andrew Vaughn has exceeded limits and is still on the Prospect list. Lyman may keep him on the Prospect List through the end of the regular season and he is protected. However, he then gets called up and can only be kept in his 9 keepers in 2022.
- Tarik Skubal has exceeded limits and is on Nerf's roster. He has been removed from the prospect list.
- Jazz Chisholm has exceeded limits and is on Dowd's roster. He has been removed from the prospect list.

3) I have updated the Constitution with the trades.

4) I have updated the draft grids.

Nice trades. Please don't forget that I have Carlos Santana and Wade Miley as helpful pieces.

369

Fosten
ID: 38740109
Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 10:44

Sending Ke'Bryan Hayes down for the first time.
Calling up Logan Gilbert for the first time
At 298 AB, this will likely be the last time I call Hayes up this season, unless there is an urgent need. As per my understanding, "If a prospect hits threshold while not on your roster, you are not obligated to call him up immediately. Once you call-up a prospect over the threshold, you cannot send him down." I will reassess next Spring as per "Unrostered prospects over threshold maintain their prospect status until next season’s keeper deadline, at which time they must be kept as part of your 9 or renounced." Therefore, if anyone would like to purchase Ke'Bryan for the stretch run, please let me know.

370

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 11:47

369: I confirm the understanding of Hayes is true. With him sent down, he remains a protected prospect of Fosten's through the end of the regular season.

When the Prospect Keeper Deadline occurs, Hayes ceases to be a prospect and is called up to Fosten's main roster (or the roster of whoever owns him). In order to be kept in 2022, Hayes must be one of Fosten's 9 main keepers. He is not '10th keeper' eligible as he has exceeded limits.

Please do not hesitate to ask questions about this important nuance.

374

GO
ID: 33543812
Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:50

Curious how everyone has been doing with Yahoo now that we've got a season under our belt. Things still missing? Anything you like better?

375

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:52

Is there a way to sort by SP pitching tomorrow? The next day?

376

GO
ID: 33543812
Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 11:00

On the website you can search by "Available Players - Games Tomorrow" but i don't see a way to have it flag the tomorrow's Probable pitchers.

I tell you what I do for that, is I just use my other league (Dirty Dozen) cause that is tomorrow changes... and then I just check the "League Availability" popup to see if they are free agent in G20. But that is just a luxury workaround having both same day and next day leagues going.

377

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 11:32

Yea I didn't think there was a way. Another work around is sorting Stats by Opponents and scanning down the list for green checks.

378

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 11:45

We are using ESPN for RIBC AAA and I’ve had lots of issues with it. Yahoo is far from perfect but it seems to have little to no downtime and functions as intended. With ESPN I literally have to reset it every time I check it from my phone or else it will screw up the display.

379

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 18:18

the "probable starters" function varies on whether pickups are same day, or next day.

if it's same day, you see today's starters. if it's next day, you see tomorrows.

i've never found a way to see both.

other than that, yahoo is great, although i have heard wonderful things about FanTrax (again).

380

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Aug 14, 2021, 21:30

*** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ***

LYMAN RECEIVES
Tree's 2022 3rd Round Supp Pick

TREE RECEIVES
John Means
Cesar Hernandez
Lyman's 2022 13th Round Supp Pick

381

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 10:30

confirmed.

382

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 20:24

Ramon Laureano is still on the block.

When he comes off his suspension in late April, he will still only be 27 years old, and in his prime.

listening to all offers, pick upgrade seems the most likely option.

383

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 14:30

TRADE

BMD gets Mark Canha and WG's 14th s pick
WG gets Andrew Benintendi and BMD's 3rd s pick (from Species)

A little confused about the 14th round as the grid shows 21 picks, but it says I have two and mine is included in the trade.

384

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 15:00

Confirm

385

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 09:36

TRADE

Andrew Benintendi and Bobby Dalbec to Blue Hen
Dylan Floro and Jeimer Candelario to Wazaaap Guy

No picks.

386

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 10:10

Confirmed. Taking offers on the fastest man in baseball (Jorge Mateo) and the hottest pitcher in baseball (Reynaldo Lopez). Both dirt cheap but better than fighting waivers if I drop.

388

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 16:48

The trade deadline is aug 26. Any last minute shoppers?

389

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 23:06

Looking for a upper tier hitter, keeper quality but age doesn’t matter. Can offer amongst other things Bauer, Biggio, 1st round prospect pick, supplemental picks, etc.

390

DK6000
ID: 54601611
Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 16:51

TRADE

Kyle Lewis and Daulton Varsho to Tree
Ramon Laureano to DK

No picks involved.

391

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 16:57

Confirmed.

Varsho remains on the prospect roster.

392

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 13:32

TRADE

Tree gets Abraham Toro and WG's own 2022 s13
WG gets Cesar Hernandez and Tree's 2022 s8

393

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 13:37

confirmed.

394

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 19:51

Nimmo trade:
Bmd sends 2022 3rd round supp pick
Bh sends 2022 12th round supp pick

Still looking to make deals. Adding SP to my needs.

Dangling Flaherty if it can return a healthy keeper SP or elite hitter.

395

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 22:21

394 confirmed

396

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 10:56

Due to recent trades, I have excess in the middle rounds. Looking to trade my 8 and 9 for your 5 and 14, or something like that. Since today is the last day to trade, we’ll have to wait til October if it doesn’t happen today.

397

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 10:57

And remember that my 8 and 9 are very early in the round.

398

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 12:14

TRADE

Jon Dowd gets Jeimer Candelario and 2022 s5 (WG from Lyman)
WG gets Kyle Seager and 2022 s8

399

Jon Dowd
ID: 29644216
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 12:19

398 - Confirmed

400

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 17:32

To anybody looking for a serviceable innings eater, I have a few.

Tylor Megill
Mike Minor
Kolby Allard
Paul Blackburn

All of these guys have WHIP's of 1.27 or less. Serviceable.

If you need an arm or two to get in the money or as some insurance for a contender during this final five-week stretch, these guys don't suck as badly as the crap likely to be on the waiver wire when everybody is scrambling to reach their innings limits in September.

I'm looking for 2-round upgrades for Minor and Megill. 1-round upgrades for Allard and Blackburn.

Also have Luis Castillo and Elieser Hernandez for those seeking keepers. Hernandez can be had for a moderate pick upgrade.

Bats available include Matt Chapman, Nate Lowe, Villar and Tellez. If interested, text or email.

401

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 22:07

Miley trade:

Bmd sends 2023 4th round supp pick
Species sends 2023 6th round supp pick

402

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 00:33

*** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ***

WG RECEIVES
Elisier Hernandez
Lyman's 2022 8th Round Supp

LYMAN RECEIVES
WG's 2022 5th Round Supp

403

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 00:53

confirmed

404

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 10:49

401: Confirmed

405

mjd
ID: 240561719
Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 14:11

Sending Lux down

406

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 10:26

405: Lux was 10th keepered so he is ineligible to be sent down. I made the executive decision to place him back on mjd's roster. I dropped Chad Green.

This reminds me of my failure to recruit a replacement. mjd has done yeoman's duty in sticking it out this long....and I apologize for not doing more to secure his replacement.

If all managers can ping some friends in their leagues - including Gurupie leagues - for potential replacements, I would be grateful

My goal would be to secure a replacement before season's end so that manager could have a full offseason to Lyman-ize their team.

407

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 10:42

383: The reason there appears to be 21 picks is that Fosten has traded his 14th twice. He will need to replace that or give up an earlier pick.

I have caught up on all trades.

Good luck to all of the contenders down the stretch!! Administrative leaves, injuries, slumps, prospects coming up are throwing the title chase into chaos! Can't wait to see who comes out on top.

408

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 15:15

“Administrative leaves” - you must work for Bauer.

409

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 02:37

Random thoughts as the Trade Deadline has passed ...

Having completed eight trades you think you made a lot of deals, and then you look and see that WG made nearly twice as many with 15. I mean, with WG in the league, Fosten, Guru and Youngroman have virtually no excuse for not having executed any trades. hahahaha (jokes!)

TOP-4 Players I relentlessly tried to acquire to no avail. Not sure if other managers made attempts on these guys, but with me the contenders all were consistently firm that these guys were NOT available. In order with my most relentless (annoying?) pursuits listed first.

1. Kyle Tucker
2. Tristan Casas
3. Bobby Witt
4. Corbin Carroll

Most humorous 4-word text: "You aren't getting Casas" ~ Beastie

I followed up immediately by sending Beastie two additional offers for Casas ... (not a joke)

This 4-team title chase has been great for the league and proved a boon for WG and me, the two of us making eight and six deals respectively with the contenders. I might have been able to match WG in this column but Thumper stubbornly refused to wheel-and-deal with me, which - let's face it - is probably why his is the team in 4th place. hahahah (jokes!)

My strategy when dealing with the contenders was to get back as much value as I could without upsetting too much the overall balance at the top of the standings. That and I felt it important to always send a courtesy text to alert all contenders when I was shopping a specific bat or arm. It's good practice for two reasons: (1) Bidding War! (2) You've covered your arse by giving each contender an opportunity to make a bid ... Of course, there are instances when another manager inquires about a player and a good deal just smoothly comes together, which probably isn't the best time to be farting around texting other managers with names of players on the way out.

Anyway, the 4-team title chase has made things extremely interesting and I was happy to thrust my last place team into the picture so often, as a result, getting to know you guys a little better while loading up for a 2022 flip of the G20 standings! Worst to First, baby!

Best of luck to the contenders down the stretch. Looking forward to resuming trade talks with all at the G20 Winter Meetings!

410

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 09:20

Great Post Lyman.

As a contender, this season has been a lot of fun, and watching all of the top teams make trade after trade after trade was a very excellent game of one-upmanship as we each try to get that tiny extra piece to push us over to the top.

411

Fosten
ID: 28959
Sun, Sep 05, 2021, 10:09

Calling up Jesus Sanchez for the first time

412

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Sep 05, 2021, 12:51

It seems a swath of 25 forum posts from 387 thru 410 have gone missing, including all the deadline deals.

413

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Mon, Sep 06, 2021, 12:46

Tsutsugo is an owned "prospect."

414

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Sep 06, 2021, 13:22

[412] I was able to recover the missing posts. It appears that they disappeared when someone was making an edit on August 31. I restored them as they were immediately before that edit. Not sure what the intent of that edit was.

415

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Sep 06, 2021, 13:59

I guess I finally did one too. Unfortunately can't do anything about it now as the game has already started.

416

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Sep 06, 2021, 15:18

let's all please be a bit more careful here.

there is a very tight pennant race happening, and a half point gained or lost playing an illegal player could make all the difference.

417

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 17:38

Intentionally benching players or intentionally playing worse players because you’ve reached your limits is just a crappy thing to do. This league is for fun and shadow tanking is just not cool.

418

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 18:18

Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. I spoke earlier this season of selfishly hoping Wander would sustain an insigificant injury to hamper him accruing 300 AB's - thus his retaining Prospect status. I can't remember another instance of wishing my star prospect succumb to injury, but today's IL designation is the exception. He sits currently at 246 AB's. The Rays play 10 games in the next 10 days so - even if he returns from the IL after a minimum 10-day stay - Wander will be left with only 11 games in which to avoid amassing 54 at-bats. Since he'd essentially need five at-bats per game to reach 300, I feel safe in projecting him falling just short of 300 AB's. While this is exciting news only to me, it is a relevant development in that Wander's late-season injury will allow me to designate him a 10th keeper, thus opening up a spot on my 2022 keeper list. A special thanks to Nellie Cruz for making this all possible!

419

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 18:49

Post 417

Thank you for saying this. I've been disgusted in seeing premier power hitters on the bench. (As many as three elite power hitters per day, most days, for one particular team.) I've been biting my tongue for weeks, especially when one premier power hitter remained on the IL long after he returned to MLB action. I'll admit to having Matt Chapman on my bench a few times lately, but that's because the A's play late on the west coast and I'm trying to avoid demerits due to GP minimums. (He's in my lineup today with the 4 o'clock start.) I'm also not adding big bats via free agency at the positions I'm streaming because I'm not trying to win this thing, nor am I trying to stand in the way of those who are trying to win this thing by adding useful players. (I will, however, snipe any and all dropped players that may have 2022 value, ie Wade and Villar.) But sitting the best players already on your roster is not a good look.

420

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 18:51

I'd be curious as to who sat on the bench after being reactivated, because that is expressly against our rules.

421

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 18:59

Correction to my comment in Post 419. It's not three elite power hitters sitting daily, it's four.

422

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 19:15

Post 420

Said player, a potential 50-HR darling, came off the MLB IL on Aug 3, playing 23 games and hitting 6 HR before finally being removed from the G20 IL and going straight to the bench, where he's stayed. All the while his owner made daily lineup changes.

423

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 21:06

I'd really like to know, because it's inexcusable.

If we've got folks breaking rules and or tanking, it should be made public?

424

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 02:26

It's not hard to figure out what team it is. That's pretty not cool.

425

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 14:39

i really don't have a clue. i looked at the mlb transactions on 8/3, and i'm not seeing a name that sticks out.

if i did, i'd call the owner by name. i'm not sure what we're accomplishing by being coy about it.

if someone broke the rules, call them on their shenanigans.

426

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 01:04

Brad Keller and Tejay Antone are not G20 IL-eligible.

427

mjd
ID: 240561719
Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 16:37

Simple solution. Find the replacement manager for my team. I made it known 2 months ago that I needed out. My MS has me all messed these past few years and I just can't do this anymore.

I'm just trying to give my replacement the best possible draft situation and make all the minimums.

428

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 17:06

Sorry to hear you're having health issues. Sincerely hope your situation improves.

Incidentally, Keibert Ruiz is an owned prospect so you might want to drop him for another free agent catcher.

Take care.

429

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 23:37

I’d like to propose two changes for 2022:
- reduce minimums to 1300 GP and 1100 IP
- change keeper trade moratorium until the end of the draft, instead of into April. Or at least Opening Day.

430

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 10:18

I think maximums should be lower. I’d like to see 162 at each position. IP max being high really stretches the SP pool thin. Maybe drop it down to 1300 and lower the minimum as well.

Biggest thing I’d love to see is if we would ban keeping players that weren’t drafted in the supplemental draft or a prospect. This wouldn’t limit keepers to just the guys you drafted but rather just guys that were a prospect or drafted by someone that year. This would make the supplemental and prospect draft mean more(a lot better talent that has to be ran through the drafts) and stop teams from stockpiling guys that aren’t even in the majors.

Overall I think this would help teams rebuild faster(more talent being available through the draft) while also encouraging teams to field competitive teams. If this is too extreme then maybe just banning keeping players that have never been drafted in the prospect draft or supplemental draft.

431

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 10:49

would love to see position minimums and IP minimums reduced. been saying this for years, especially in the advent of the "opener" as a viable position and strategy in MLB.

Biggest thing I’d love to see is if we would ban keeping players that weren’t drafted in the supplemental draft or a prospect.

If this is too extreme then maybe just banning keeping players that have never been drafted in the prospect draft or supplemental draft.

this is a non starter to me. why would we punish people for doing what a large part of this game is about - scouting?

Take Adolis Garcia - I'm not sure if i'm going to keep him or not, but i picked him up before opening day because i liked the buzz about him. i then sat on him for almost 3 weeks as he languished on Texas' bench, because i believed in him.

and i shouldn't be able to keep him because i had the foresight and patience for a guy that was so off the radar he wasn't drafted (or has never been drafted, in the latter case)?

That's the sort of thing one should be lauded for, not punished for. That is the sort of thing this league should be all about.

What about Wade Miley? You should be punished for snagging a player at deadline who has helped you remain on top? You traded for him, you should have the option of keeping him.

or better examples such as up and comers like Lamonte Wade? Alex Manoah? Tyler McGill? (these 3 belong to one of the bottom dwelling teams in our league - are we really wanting to hamper their ability to keep players who may help their team down the road?)

432

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 11:57

Any change would not be for next years keepers. I’m just trying to think of ways to get people to stop hording minor leaguers and sniping guys like Verlander.

433

Tree
ID: 571142323
Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 16:02

Varsho is my prospect. Can be be dropped please?

434

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 18:29

Agree with 329. It's getting harder and harder to meet the minimums. I'm having to stream every day now since I have 4 starters on the IL.

Also, is there any way to set it up so we can mark all of our prospects as keepers? That would make life so, so, SO much easier.

435

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 20:56

[434] -- We are only able to add the 'keeper' notation onto players on day zero ... when the commish adds them to a roster ... before the league is activated.

We are unable to add the marker to anyone not on a roster. Nor add them later.

436

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 22:00

Tree can pick up Miley now, if he’s still interested in keeping him.

This is a fun race, down to the wire. BMD appears to be executing his plan well. Tree and GO are hanging in there- but still not making too many moves. Not the strategy I’d have chosen, but…

And look at this, there’s a goat in the top 5.

437

GO
ID: 531581023
Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 10:51

Still not making many moves, yet we are the top 2 in games played... so...

438

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 11:19

One of the things affecting movement, and playing a role in this race, is pitcher minimums.

Because everyone is trying to hit minimums, streaming options are extremely limited.

439

GO
ID: 33543812
Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 11:45

Pitching minimums should be reduced pretty drastically because of the openers as I think you mentioned previously. Probably down 100 IP? at least 50 for now.

440

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Sep 19, 2021, 20:12

Taking jabs in 15th place is the blue hen I know.

441

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 11:43

Blue Hen - leading the league in moves, and nothing else.

but hey, you got into double digit scoring in a few categories, so good on you.

442

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 13:53

So, I lost all but two of my SP's, and I am now 110 IP down from limits with 2 demerits. I have to stream every SP I can find for the next two weeks to get there.

I'm also pointing out that I am watching my team, but things just didn't work out. 4 pitchers I don't want to lose on the IL and a 5th moved to the bullpen. I shouldn't have to do this to simply not lose a draft spot.

443

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 15:08

Nerf, I believe both Snell and Paddack can be placed on the IL. We expanded it to 4 players this year as long as they were keepers and haven’t been dropped.

444

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 16:09

Definitely leading the league in historical championships. I need some help from you guys so BMD doesn’t get one this year.

Speaking to 442, it’s not like these minimums have been a secret. I woke up on August 3rd and realized I had the fewest innings by 200. So had to start making moves at 3 AM because other people started taking all the SP, every day. This doesn’t seem like a complaint to make in late September.

445

Nerfherders
ID: 305301811
Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 17:32

It is when you've set yourself based on having a certain number of pitchers and 4 of them go down within 2 weeks. I was on pace for 1200 IP until:

Maeda went down 8/27
Snell and Boyd went down 9/11
Paddack went down 9/12

They all are likely out for the season, and all players I want to keep for the offseason.

But thanks for kind words!

Also, thanks for the info on the IL, bmd. I thought we had just one IL spot.

446

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 09:11

i think there is a VERY strong consensus in this league to reduce the minimums.

personally, i'd like to see them eliminated completely, but i'd be ok with bringing them down to a level where you'd actually have to try to not hit that number.

it's a bad rule if teams out of the running are affecting the pennant race because they've got to grab players simply to hit minimums, players that might otherwise help contending teams.

447

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 12:53

Daniel Lynch is a prospect. Put me on the Species naughty list.

448

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 14:27

We have minimums for a reason, so Species isn’t forced to monitor team lineups and determine that a team didn’t field a full lineup some day, and figure out the appropriate punishment.

Agree that the minimums are high, but also think they are unambiguous and effective at preventing teams from holding empty lineups and stashing injured and minor league players, which also doesn’t seem popular.

I’d propose 1100 IP and 1300 GP, with the same demerit structure.

I’d also propose to remove demerit forgiveness.

I’d also propose to change the trade moratorium date to Opening Day.

I’d also propose to change the prospect limits to 310 AB and 115 innings.

449

Matt G
ID: 576318
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 15:24

What sucks is I'll be 8 games short for Hitters despite still trying and adjusting my lineup as best I can when I have a 1 year old.

450

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 18:50

the league average of innings per start is now UNDER 5. it's time to really take into consideration how much minimums really matter here.

we can ALL tell someone is intentionally tanking. We've all seen it, and we've all experienced it. Putting a quantitative measurement on it is beginning to have a detrimental affect on the TOP teams because other teams are trying to hit these minimums.

get rid of minimums. Call out those who tank and don't be afraid to do so, but let's stop with the rules that have a negative affect on the way the game is played.

451

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 19:16

Please welcome Bobo to G20. A longtime friend of Tree's, Bobo has played in his share of Gurupie leagues over the years. He is taking over mjd's team effective immediately and has accepted the invite on Yahoo.

I would like to thank mjd for sticking it out as long as he did, and hope he will accept my apologies for not replacing him sooner. I also hope the league will forgive him for any inattention or the like as he worked through issues at home. Please join me in wishing mjd the best.

Bobo will jump in to review lineups these last days, and hopefully get indoctrinated leading into our offseason.

--------------------------

We can absolutely consider any and all rule changes this offseason. As noted by blue hen, the league minimums were designed as a replacement to very subjective rules requiring "full lineups" for all teams. By placing simple, quantitative measures as the rule, there would never be any doubts. You either made minimums or you didn't. Black and white.

Best of luck to the contenders down the stretch!

452

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 19:55

I have without a doubt struggled with injuries all season, and now having to work to meet those minimum IPs. There was a full month where I only had one bench player to sub in/out. Everyone else was on the IL.

I think that I've finally caught up enough, where I don't need to add SPs in the middle of the night unless more guys get shut down.

453

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 20:33

Bobo, welcome! Mjd left you a very solid team. Good luck the rest of the way and in the offseason.

454

Bobo
ID: 36211018
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 20:50

Hey all...

Species - thank you for the opportunity.

Excited to be part of this league and catch up as quick as I can.

To the future.

455

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 21:37

Welcome Bobo. You’ll be a threat immediately,, based on leagues we’ve been in together. And you’re taking over a great team.

Many thanks to MJD. Hoping fantasy was a distraction from the bad stuff and didn’t get in the way of the good stuff. I can’t imagine what you’ve been going through, and I hope it gets/stays as bearable as possible. You did a great job with this team, playing long games that are paying off. And you’ve been a great text buddy and trade partner, open, honest, and communicative. Happy trails, bud.

Thanks to Species for making this happen. I know it’s been a busy summer, but you’re about the best commish I could imagine.

456

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 08:22

Welcome Bobo!

Best of luck to MJD. Thanks for sticking it out with us for so long.

457

mjd
ID: 240561719
Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 16:04

Thanks to the league and I'm sorry it ended like this. Thanks for your texts and kind words.

I'm glad to leave this team that I worked so long and hard to build and rebuild in good hands. Best of luck, Bobo.

My fantasy sports career is over. Early in my disease process, it was a great distraction and time filler. Now it's a struggle to just type these words, let alone carry on all the text conversations necessary to make the trades that made this league so fun.

Overall, it was great fun and thanks again.

458

Fosten
ID: 101121321
Wed, Sep 22, 2021, 22:19

mjd, I always enjoyed our trade talks. You will be missed in this league. All the best. Keep in touch.

459

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 18:23

Spencer Howard is an owned prospect and therefore needs dropped.

460

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 01:58

Whoa! On a night when Cedric Mullins, a freaking 12th round pick for GO, joins the 30-30 Club, Go bumps BMD out of the top spot for the first time since May (I believe).

What an amazing draft pick. And what a race!

461

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 13:00

Looks like JD ended up playing VW's prospect Spencer Howard last night. He went 4IP, 6H, 4ER, 4K. Maybe no impact at the top since GO and Bmd seem to be ahead in most pitching categories that could potentially be affected. I think some points would be affected overall though; my quick math showed JD would be ahead of Tree in ERA without the Howard start. I also noticed JD inadvertently used CT's prospect Matt Manning once for a 3.2IP, 8ER start (did we all miss that?), so removing that would bring his ERA/WHIP down further too...

462

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 13:23

we really need to be better about this prospect thing.

if only there were a platform that marked players in our Minor Leagues with an "M" or something like that...

463

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 13:34

Personally I still prefer Yahoo with these drawbacks to moving to Fantrax or some other site. I love Yahoo's simplicity and believes it offers all we need to play in the best way. I suggest it like every year but everyone can at the very least add prospects to their watch list so the blue star serves as a deterrent to picking them up.

464

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 20:36

I’m just glad I lost the lead with a week to go. I was having nightmares about having it up til the last day then losing it.

465

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 21:38

But what if you want to watch a prospect?

I tried to get what Tree suggested done when I was at ESPN. They shot it down.

466

GO
ID: 33543812
Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 13:11

and now Cedric hurt...

Ya know with that pick I wanted Austin Hays. but either he was a prospect or taken right before. me. Cedric was just top of mind in all the articles saying Hays was gonna be a thing and they both had some upside.

467

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 14:08

I tried to get what Tree suggested done when I was at ESPN. They shot it down.

FanTrax has this in football. presumably baseball too. it's such an important feature for a league such as this.

468

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 14:08

I tried to get what Tree suggested done when I was at ESPN. They shot it down.

FanTrax has this in football. presumably baseball too. it's such an important feature for a league such as this.

469

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 21:13

FanTrax has many, many issues. If you want to propose them as a viable option, it’s going to take a lot more than that.

470

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 22:57

I can say from experience, Fantrax is a nightmare to setup. I ran a long-time keeper league that voted to move from Yahoo to Fantrax and the switch didn't survive spring training before we unanimously voted to move back to Yahoo. Fantrax has some really nice features, but a lot of bugs too.

I personally think prospects being mistakenly added will be less a problem in 2022. Next year's prospect list will more truly reflect the top-100 prospects in baseball. Since we didn't have a prospect draft this season, we had some sketchy prospects like Tsutsugo and Kim and quite a few others that would have been left unprotected had we drafted in 2021. We're going to be replacing a lot of "scrubs" and MiLB graduates with the best players from two MLB drafts, and should have little problem distinguishing the Torkelsons, Veens and Leiters, et al, as owned prospects.

471

GO
ID: 33543812
Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 13:26

All we need to do is mark them as keepers... and then they get the little K logo next to them. We pick before the players get to yahoo right? so we can designate them as keeper. Let me know if I'm not thinking that order through correctly.

Anyone else get the survey from Yahoo on the popups? I put in there 5 times a way to highlight prospects or ability for Commish to block out certain players.

472

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 16:31

Not 100 percent positive, but I'm pretty sure players lose the "K" once they hit waivers. Unfortunately, I don't think you're able to mark players/prospects in the free agent pool as "K" keepers.

473

GO
ID: 531581023
Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 19:48

You have the option to let them keep the K or not once they are released. So thats a non issue.

So the question to me is timing. And assuming those names are in the database at the time keepers are declared will be the big obstacle i think. Cause thats when the K gets tagged.

474

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 20:43

[473] -- We are only able to add the 'keeper' notation onto players on day zero ... when the commish adds them to a roster ... before the league is activated.

Once activated, we are unable to add the marker to anyone not on a roster. Nor add them later. So 10th keepers are able to have a 'K' since they are on a roster on day zero. Anybody not on a roster is unable to receive the 'K'.

475

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 00:39

One workaround would be to load all the prospects onto each team's roster after the prospect draft, mark them K, start (or finish) the Yahoo draft, and then release them back to the FA pool.

476

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 15:02

Didn't get a chance to before, but wanted to say that it has been a pleasure playing with mjd in this league and other Gurupie leagues over the years. Always good conversation and competition, and to echo Fosten's words, he will be missed here. Enjoy your fantasy sports retirement, and best of luck in all else!

Also, a hearty welcome to Bobo! Looks like mjd left you with some nice, young pieces. Good luck!

477

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 19:07

Six days to go!

Best of luck to the contenders down the stretch.

Please note: Vampire Weekend will be giving up his spot in G20 for various personal reasons. We will need one additional replacement. Please check with your friends and other leaguemates.

478

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 20:29

We need to give the commish power to handout demerits. Benching your best players is incredibly lame. Looking at you blue hen.

479

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 21:03

BMD is right. I benched guys today, as I tried to figure out if I’d hit the minimums- stupid app doesn’t list total GP, only the site does.

I shouldn’t have done that and I will start full lineups the rest of the week. For what it’s worth, there are 8 teams behind me in GP and 9 in IP.

Good luck the rest of the season!

480

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 21:10

Thank you and thanks to everyone for remaining active.

481

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 08:30

minimums suck. they're nothing more than another version of a race to the bottom, as evidenced by the above acknowledged strategy to get as close to minimums as possible without going over, in an effort to reduce counting stats.

we've seen this season how hitting those minimums is affecting the race to the top - particularly in the name of the scarcity of starting pitching for contending teams.

enough is enough.

down with minimums.

482

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 09:46

Daniel Lynch is owned by Donkey Kong and needs dropped.

483

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 15:29

Tree, we all hate minimums. Do you have a proposal with how to replace them? The current system, while flawed, is tangible- don’t reach numbers, get demerits, get worse picks. The previous system prevented tanking by requiring that teams had to start someone in every slot every day, except off days (couldn’t just leave a slot open). But that was nearly impossible to monitor and there were no stated penalties. You can’t just call somebody out for something unless there’s a stated penalty.

Proposals:
- Playing someone else’s prospect in an active slot results in a demerit, one demerit per day they are played.
- Use the lottery order for all rounds and flatten out the weights.
- Retain the minimum/demerit system but reduce minimums.

484

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 08:09

Decrease minimums for position players, particular catchers.

Get rid of IP minimums for pitchers altogethr, or reduce them to the point where they're not interfering in a pennant race.

The law of unintended consequences is that people racing to hit minimums are reducing streaming opportunities for those trying to win, and that should never be.

485

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 08:17

Calling up prospect Daulton Varsho.

486

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 13:13

Tree - I am all for what the league wants, and your voice has rang loud and clear on the issue of minimums. But please do pay close attention to blue hen's post #483. blue hen actually talks some sense here.

Before minimums and demerits, the rule involved self-policing (read: mostly commissioner policing) team rosters with the only requirement being to field a full lineup. Or, better said, having your roster full of active players. Active players could be platoon players, pinch hitters or defensive replacements....they did not have to be anything approaching a full time player.

-- Imagine your outrage if a third or more of this league had a third less games played
-- Imagine your outrage if a third of more of this league had a third less innings
-- Imagine your outrage if a third or more of this league had rosters of unproductive players but there was no rule to stop them

Your comment of: Get rid of IP minimums for pitchers altogethr, or reduce them to the point where they're not interfering in a pennant race.

The law of unintended consequences is that people racing to hit minimums are reducing streaming opportunities for those trying to win, and that should never be.

....is completely backwards.

If you had been thinking strategically from Day 1, you would have realized the competition for innings and games in September and focused more energy on successful streams in April and May where there is less competition. A game played or inning pitched in April is just as valuable as one in September. In fact, due to less competition, one might say they were more valuable.

So, don't cast blame towards a rule inconveniencing you in trying to make up ground. Look in the mirror - all of the GP and IP were there for you. I doubt you would be making this same argument if you were not contending.

487

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 14:39

Think most agree that next year the IP minimum may need to be reduced some, but agree with both BH and Species mostly. A bit funny to see BMD (rightfully IMO) asking for participation in one post and Tree impugning it in another, though I acknowledge motivations may be different relating to each issue. Also agree with what BH said a few posts ago; the minimums have been there all year and it was up to each manager to act accordingly in attempting to satisfy them, such as taking into account possible injuries and a race for arms towards the end of the season. No real room for complaint IMO that a largely foreseeable occurrence is occurring. And of course, still don't think we have heard a better solution to the 'policing' issue than sticking with the minimums but maybe amending them somewhat... in fact, even that doesn't properly address the issue BMD brought up, so perhaps something more stringent rather than less stringent needs to be done.

488

darkside
ID: 10944214
Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 15:44

Agree with Species, WG, blue hen…minimums aren’t great, but way better than the alternative. Reducing pitching minimums makes sense.

In other news, for the first time…ever…I maxed out at positions. Guess I was lucky with injuries, just unlucky that those healthy dudes sucked.

Hate to see mjd go. Been great playing with you. Welcome Bobo (any chance that’s a Simpsons reference?). Thanks, all, for another fun season and good luck to those still scrapping for the title or a money slot!

489

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 20:06

Congrats beastiemiked! As we know, it take so much to win this league- setting up keepers, drafting well, waiver work, and in-season trades. You handled all of those pretty flawlessly, with some of the bad draft picks hidden by volume. Well done! Scarily, you’ve got a pretty good team coming back. Welcome back to the podium!

Congrats to GO and Tree on great years as well, and also the others who were in the mix. Great year for g20, lots of trades and an exciting finish.

Let’s get trading season started! Who wants Gleyber Torres?!

490

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 22:31

Congrats, BMD! You really were in command all season, somehow overcoming long periods without Top-10 overall starters in Flaherty and Bauer. You made it clear early on that you were going for it by dealing in mid-April next year's first rounder for McGee, and later made some sweet moves to add veterans Morton and Wainwright to a depleted rotation. Very methodical approach all season long in using every last one of your available roster spots, despite a N/A tag next to Bauer's name. Masterful job!

Congrats to Tree and GO, too. You guys kept the pressure on BMD right down to the final few days. There was one point, I think Thursday night, where Tree had passed GO and was a mere 3.5 points out of first place. And GO, of course, took the lead with only eight days to go after BMD had held the top spot seemingly all season long. Both of you really went after it hard and deserve a hand!

491

GO
ID: 531581023
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 07:14

Congrats to bmd! My G20 triple crown bid fell short... always next year.

492

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 07:54

Mazel Tov BMD - you had one helluva season.

After taking over first place in late May, you commanded the top spot for most of the rest of the way, relinquishing only a few times, and never for more than a couple of days before taking it back over.

You made all the right moves, and your second generation superstars are going to help keep you on top for a long time.

But some of us have second generation superstars of our own, so we're not going to make you defending your crown easy. :D

Seriously though, congrats. A championship well deserved.

493

Fosten
ID: 38740109
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 10:17

Can we talk about that hot photo finish for 5th/6th? Dang. Kudos to Jon Dowd and Tosh for passing WG and myself over the final week. Finishing 7th is the worst of all possible scenarios for me. I missed out on the money and now have to draft behind WG in every round next year. Doh! Congrats to bmd and everyone else on a great season. Thanks for all the fun.

494

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 11:39

Congrats BMD! What a master class of a season- despite some heavy competition.

Congrats to GO and Tree as well for putting up a good fight till the end.

495

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 12:38

Prize pool payouts:

First place: BMD, $80
Second: Great One, $50
Third: Tree, $35
Fourth: Thumpers, $25
Fifth: Jon Dowd - did not opt in to the pool this year, so no payout. Can still opt in for 2022.
Sixth: Tosh, $20

$15 prize money is forfeited, and will go to the trophy fund.

Will notify each winner shortly to make arrangements for payout and or leaving funds on acct.

496

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 13:32

CONGRATULATIONS beastiemiked for your second G20 title! This was extremely hard fought, and you overcame a ridiculous amount of hardships, 3 of your 4 1st round picks being complete busts (Jordan Hicks, Archie Bradley and Dylan Bundy), injuries (Tatis, Flaherty, others), Bauer's brush with the law and the hard charging Tree and Great One to win. An incredible achievement.

While it helps to have the equivalent of THREE MVPs on your roster in Vlad, Semien (WTF!) and Tatis, when the $hit hits the fan you have to have the balls to go for it. Trades for Morton (he was a stud - you're welcome), Belt, Nimmo, Canha, Miley and others I've missed stabilized lineups and rotations and allowed him to ride his prized stallions to victory.

Great One had his greatest G20 season ever on a stable of stud keepers and an outstanding draft. Buehler, Harper, Devers, Kimbrel, and even Montas were all horses. Aaron Nola's ERA wasn't helpful but top flight WHIP and K contributed. Despite not having a first rounder, he destroyed the 2nd round in landing Stroman, Dick Rod and IKF before nabbing Walsh in the 3rd....but the kicker was 30/30 Cedric Mullens in the 12th after already nabbing Kennedy in the 10th. Some rotten luck in Voit and Moustakas missing most of the year was unable to be offset by trades for Cruz, Myers, Crawford and Pablo Lopez. Incredible year GO!

Tree came from seemingly nowhere to jump into a tie for 2nd place. A strong draft, a lot of patience, maturing prospects called up (Bichette, Cease) a huge stable of supplemental draft picks and keen pickups (Adolis Garcia) propelled him to contention and an amazing second place finish. If only his shortsidedness in considering Rutschman for Scherzer wouldn't have blinded him, he would have won.

What a shame Thumper's health didn't allow the preaseason favorite to compete fairly this year. If there is one thing the top 3 teams all clearly indicate, it's that you need STUDS firing on all cylinders to win. Losing Ronald Acuna, having Cody Bellinger forget how to hit while Trevor Story played all year like he was on the road all season derailed his season pretty quickly. He will be back and better than ever next year.

Props to Jon Dowd for an impressive in-the-money showing at 5th place!

More to come when I have more time, but congrats again bmd for a well-earned win. Congrats to GO and Tree for fighting to the bitter end.

Items on our agenda:

1) We need to replace Vampire Weekend (if anyone else has doubts about returning, please note them now)
2) Rule changes / discussion
3) Demerits
4) Lottery

PS - btw, this was a GREAT mlb regular season! The Giants and Dodgers took the best record in baseball down to the final day. The Yankees and Red Sox avoided a potential 4-way tie for the wild card to secure spots while the Cardinals took control of the second NL wild card spot behind a 17-game winning streak! Overall COVID had it's spots here and there, but overall it was a GREAT baseball season.

Best of luck to all this offseason. I have players on the block!! :D

497

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 15:54

Congrats BMD on your title, and thanks to all for a great season.

Back in the day ... I had Buster Posey as a prospect. I traded him for Miguel Cabrera, who eventually was traded for someone else.

It was fun to have both Posey and Miggy have regular roles on my daily rosters this season. Thanks old guys!

498

Tree
ID: 161118314
Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 16:17

If only his shortsidedness in considering Rutschman for Scherzer wouldn't have blinded him, he would have won.

I'm not so sure about that. lol but i appreciate the premise.

499

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 01:25

Thanks everyone!

It was a photo finish coming down to the last few days. Glad it ended when it did because my team was held together with superglue.

Great One and Tree could’ve easily won if 1-2 things went differently.

Bryce Harper was giving me nightmares the last two months. Mullins and Buehler were incredibly consistent and dominant.

Salvy was incredible and that combo of Urias and Burnes was quite the 1-2 punch. Adolis Garcia picking up 5 stolen bases in the last two weeks was hard for me to watch.

Thumpers would’ve been right there with us if Acuna doesn’t go down or his pitchers suddenly just stopped winning games despite pitching well.

That finish for 5th and 6th was nuts. Definitely more competitive than I’ve ever seen it. WG and Foster tried everything they could but ultimately Soto/Castellanos and Marte/Ranger Suarez were just too much.

It was great seeing other teams with nothing to fight for besides pride(and those minimums) continue to make great pickups. Speaks volumes about the competitive nature of this league.

Huge thank you to Species, Tosh and Guru. Without you all this league wouldn’t be possible.

500

Matt G
ID: 576318
Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 11:15

So here is the thing, I tried. I was in 7th place or something around there in late June early July I don't remember exactly, I knew it was flimsy and sure enough few key injuries and I was done. End of July I traded Melancon and it became a race to the bottom. However; I set my lineup most dates, I'll be honest things got busy here with the kid and work and other things so I missed a few days.

I honestly thought I was doing well, I was swapping Vazquez in to C and 1B when I had those guys missing games, I picked up Wendle to fill the IF when I needed it. I didn't want last place and I didn't want to "not try."

But September came along and I did the math and I was on pace for 1364 hitter games and something like 1240 IP.

I managed as closely as I could in September, swapped in and out, got my Games to project to 1376 one day and then down the next. I didn't add anyone because honestly anyone I wanted to add was for a spot start to pick a game up and they were on waivers and I'd have to wait, plus I didn't want to kill the race you guys were having and I didn't want to accidently pick up a prospect, I didn't mark them as scouts because I use that as a way to scout players.

Anyhow, I have 1364 games for hitters and 1218 for pitchers.

So I'm going to get Demerits, you know it doesn't make me wanna play in a league when I tried, I'm clearly rebuilding so I'm holding guys who are next year and beyond and while a mad race to end the year did nothing for me and I didn't want to affect the real race ended up costing me a chance to really rebuild.

Minimums suck, I'm on the fence for next year because of this.

501

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 12:43

So I'm going to get Demerits, you know it doesn't make me wanna play in a league when I tried, I'm clearly rebuilding so I'm holding guys who are next year and beyond and while a mad race to end the year did nothing for me and I didn't want to affect the real race ended up costing me a chance to really rebuild.

this was my argument a few years back as i failed to make minimums, in an effort to build my team...these minimums really can screw with that.

502

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 13:29

The good news is that you'll only get 1 demerit and we get the first 2 waived without penalty.

I was in the same boat on IP, but because my hitting was good, I knew I only had to get to 1170 IP, which still meant streaming for two weeks. I think I might have gotten to 1185 by the end.

503

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 18:51

One thing to keep in mind- that’s kind of the point. In the old days, someone would pick up a teenage prospect, never play all their slots, and finish last. With minimums, you have to make sacrifices, hold some spots for guys who will play, strategy just like the guys at the top. Believe me- I didn’t want to drop Bobby Dalbec (ugh), but I don’t think you guys wanted me to finish with like 700 innings. So I dropped Dalbec and picked up Tyler Gilbert. Or maybe Justin Steele. That’s how these leagues work- maximize your value within constraints destined to frustrate everyone. But that’s the rules, and I haven’t found a better system.

504

GO
ID: 33543812
Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 09:27

BH is right, needs to be minimums... and I think we can all agree, just scale them down so they can reasonably be hit. Especially IP cause this opener thing was unforeseen at the time we created the # of innings.

505

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 12:09

Agree there should be a minimum, but lowered.

Also never too early to start the Send Saves to Sun parade this offseason!

506

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 13:04

Saving 2021 standings for posterity:

Rank Team Points Pts Change Pts Back Waiver Moves
1 logo beastiemiked 170.5 0.5 - 20 242
2 logo GO's Black Sox 166 3 4.5 15 62
3 logo FW House Martins 162 -1 8.5 19 40
4 logo Thumpers 145.5 -2 25 11 140
5 logo Jon Dowd 131.5 -0.5 39 9 51
6 logo U Can't Tosh This 129.5 -0.5 41 12 83
7 logo Munson Mobsters 126.5 1.5 44 3 49
8 logo Wazaaap Guy 125 0 45.5 18 278
9 logo Endangered Species 115 -1 55.5 17 134
10 logo youngroman's Luschen 108.5 -2 62 1 47
10 logo RotoGuru 108.5 -1.5 62 8 41
12 logo darkside of the moon 106 -0.5 64.5 4 74
13 logo Code Toothpick 88 2 82.5 7 57
14 logo Nerfherders 82.5 0.5 88 5 52
15 logo Blue Hen 68.5 -0.5 102 14 279
16 logo Donkey Kong 61 0 109.5 2 30
17 logo Matthew's Team 55.5 0 115 13 16
18 logo VampireWeekend 53 0 117.5 10 43
19 logo Marty McFlyer 50 1 120.5 6 139
20 logo Lyman Bostock 10 47 1 123.5 16 239

507

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 13:16

My accounting of demerits:

GP:
Donkey Kong: 1196 games = 179 short / 15 = 11 demerits
Code Toothpick: 1303 games = 72 short /15 = 4
Matt G: 1364 games = 11 short = 0

IP:
Species: 1199.66 = 1/3 inning = 0
Guru: 1186 = 14 innings = 0
Nerfherders: 1185.1 = 14.2 innings short = 0 (how is THAT for roster planning!)
youngroman: 1159.2 = 40 innings short = 2

Final Tally:
Donkey Kong 11 demerits less 2 waived = 9
Code Toothpick: 4 demerits less 2 waived = 2
youngroman: 2 demerits less 2 waived = 0

508

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 12:21

I had assumed if you were under the minimums at all you would get a demerit. In other words, if you were 1 - 15 below, that would be 1 demerit, and 15-30 below would = 2 demerits, etc. I guess that's just my interpretation of the rule - I don't know for sure if it was ever implemented that way.

509

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 23:47

Agree with the previous post.

510

DK6000
ID: 54601611
Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 16:51

[500] As this year's demerit leader, I completely agree with Matt G's sentiment. I was actively engaged this year and definitely not trying to tank, but chose to hold multiple injured or non-active players (Clevinger, Edward Cabrera, etc.) that I hope will help my rebuild next year. I chose to keep these guys rather than continually streaming low end starters to reach a minimum.

I am fine with minimums as a rule, but combining them with a rule that non-keepers can't be placed on IL can make them very difficult to hit if you're trying to hold guys with upside. Understand I'm relatively new to the league, but I'd support (1) reducing minimums and (2) expanding who can be placed on the IL.

511

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 23:33

508 and 509 are correct. My error.

But it doesn't change the ultimate result, does it? Those that were barely short have their demerits waived, so I think we are still good.

I will get to updating the roster grid / asking Guru to run the lottery when I have some free time (something I seem to completely lack lately).

512

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 13:15

Everyone gets one more demerit, so those in the final list get one more.

Final Tally:
Donkey Kong 12 demerits less 2 waived = 10
Code Toothpick: 5 demerits less 2 waived = 3
youngroman: 3 demerits less 2 waived = 1

513

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 11:24

Before we run the lottery, let’s make sure the order of events is finalized- running tiebreakers, running demerits, running lottery. One demerit team is in a tie, and two demerit teams are close enough to impact each other.

514

Fosten
ID: 511110812
Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 13:12

Aint it about time for the g20 hot stove to start getting hot? I've got like 23 keepers to trade and mlb.com has ghosted all my active players. https://www.mlb.com/news/a-note-about-our-website-content Cold man, very cold. Anyone have a key to the furnace room? I think we're locked out.

515

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 14:13

I’ve been in a dark room muttering about my dislike for Saves this whole time

516

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 15:20

This is the winter of my save discontent.

DOWN WITH SAVES!

517

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 23:09

Seriously though, it's kind of ironic complaining about saves, yet not about wins. Neither sucks any more or less than the other.

518

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 15:55

I think it’s just that there’s a straightforward alternative to saves- saves+holds. What’s the alternative to wins? quality starts maybe?

519

Tree
ID: 571142323
Wed, Dec 15, 2021, 16:47

The main opposition for me regarding saves is the high premium it places on a relative handful of players that are good for only one stat.

At least wins are attainable by anyone taking the mound. QS is not longer a valid stat to me, since many teams don't intend to have a QS, just a guy opening the game.

It's why saves + holds is the Way to go.

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