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Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2022 Preseason Discussion

Posted by: Species - SuperDude [07724916] Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 14:28

Fellow G20ers....

I am awaking from my Winter slumber. I lost my father in October (he was 82....it was his time and that's okay) and quite simply was distracted from these duties (Fantasy Football ending helped). But I am back and needing to catch up.....and am sad that my inaction killed all of the usual winter trades, talks, etc. after such an incredible battle down the stretch in 2021. The draft grids are up to date, inclusive of demerits, but before running our draft lotteries.

It's time to get down to business for the 2022 season, starting with ROLL CALL! Please reply and state your intent, or lack thereof, to return to G20 in 2021.

Bobo jumped in at the end of 2021 in place of mjd. Vampire Weekend originally noted at the end of the season that he did NOT intend to return. Perhaps he has had a change of mind....we will see.

As well as responding for Roll Call, we can also use this thread to begin rule change discussions. Minimum GP / IP continues to be a hot topic, and IP minimums could very well be considered this year given the continued evolution in pitcher usage in MLB. Feel free to bring up others that you are passionate about.

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 14:32

Fosten is the first one to say "I'm in!" and will be 1st place at the end of the season!

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 15:44

Back, like Dak.

darkside
ID: 4201915
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 16:01

I'm in

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 16:39

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 17:35

Species
ID: 31053918
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 19:53

The following prospects have exceeded limits and are on the prospect list:

bmd: Brusdar Graterol
blue hen: Yoshi Tsutsugo
Fosten: Ke'Bryan Hayes
Lyman: Andrew Vaughn
Tree: James Karinchak

These prospects will be "called up" to their respective teams' main rosters when we are at the Keeper Deadline. They still show on the Prospect List and are underlined to show it. Having exceeded limits, they may only be kept in their teams' 9 keepers.

The following prospects have exceeded limits and are on their respective teams' rosters. As such, they will be removed from the prospect list and would need to be kept in their teams' 9 keepers.

GO: Brenden Rodgers
Guru: Triston McKenzie
Fosten: Logan Gilbert
Tree: Michael Kopech
Tree: Daulton Varsho

Bobo
ID: 2305920
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 21:05

In. Excited for a full year in this league.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 21:23

Matt G
ID: 576318
Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 21:34

GO
ID: 19101309
Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 09:44

In.

DK6000
ID: 3311521712
Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 14:39

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 15:03

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 20:11

In:
Species
Fosten
Tree
darkside
Guru
Nerfherders
Bobo
Thumper
Matt G
GO
DonkeyKong
Tosh

Waiting to hear from:
blue hen
WG
Lyman
bmd
Jon Dowd
youngroman
Code Toothpick
Vampire Weekend (previously communicated that he would not return)

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 04:21

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 10:00

youngroman
ID: 515013
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 13:38

In, for whatever season we will have. MLB lockout, Covid lockout, shortened season, expanded playoffs, you name it.

taxman
ID: 70181113
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 14:34

If you have an opening...please consider me to fill that opening

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 14:36

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 15:20

Vampire Weekend advised me that he is not returning. His team, for taxman and any voyeurs out there:

Yan Gomes
Ryan McMahon
Andy Ibanez
Nolan Arenado
Miguel Rojas
Bryan Reynolds
Aaron Judge
Luis Arraez
Akil Baddoo
Garrett Hampson
Tony Kemp
JD Davis
Aaron Hicks

Michael Wacha
Clayton Kershaw
Griffin Jax
Patrick Corbin
Wil Crowe
Mike Foltynewicz
Kyle Freeland
Erick Feddee
Alec Mills
JA Happ
AJ Puk
Kirby Yates

Prospects:
Marco Luciano
Robert Puason
Erick Pena
Hedbert Perez
Spencer Howard

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 20:35

In the easiest recruitment in G20 history, please join me in welcoming taxman to G20, taking over for Vampire Weekend. His LONG tenure on Rotoguru combined with positive affirmations from a couple of owners made this a slam dunk. Welcome, taxman!

Sadly, it appears Yahoo does not allow any Commissioner powers at the moment, so we have to wait until their 2022 launch.

I cut and pasted an awful set of rosters. If anyone has an excel sheet of all of the players on rosters, please see his email above and shoot it to him!

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 11, 2022, 20:42

In:
Species
Fosten
Tree
darkside
Guru
Nerfherders
Bobo
Thumper
Matt G
GO
DonkeyKong
Tosh
Lyman
WG
Jon Dowd
youngroman
taxman!

Waiting to hear from (with texts in their inboxes):
blue hen
bmd
Code Toothpick

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 00:07

In. Looking to trade a bunch of players before March. Let’s start with Josh Lowe.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 08:02

Welcome Donny!

Matt G
ID: 576318
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 08:21

Donny is in? Oh man I'm out! lol

Welcome Taxman!

GO
ID: 19101309
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 09:20

Tax! woo... Donny what was the name of the music group you were in? I vaguely remembered the story and couldn't remember the group.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 11:30

Donny what was the name of the music group you were in?

He can correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it was the Outcasts. That being said, there were probably half a dozen garage bands running around Texas with that name in the 60s. lol (but man, there was sooooo much good unheralded music coming out of Texas at the time, particularly in DFW.)

This may or may not be the correct version of the band.

taxman
ID: 70181113
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 11:34

re 25 (not going there) but ....

A hockey league I am in is trying to find Tom Dawson. (hasn't responded to e-mail @ "tomdawson19@hotmail.com"). He has been in that league for years, but went dark months ago as we were drafting. Any help/ideas would be appreciated.

taxman
ID: 70181113
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 11:41

btw..big thank you to Species for posting/texting roster and info yesterday. It will help me in being somewhat up to grade by the time strike resolved.

And thanks for the welcome

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 20:10

I’m in.

taxman
ID: 70181113
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 20:13

Re 26 Tree nailed it. That's my band...The Outcasts recorded I Gotta Find Cupid in 1966. I did not know it was on You Tube. Cupid made it to 23 on Billboards Top 40 in April of 66.

Another one hit wonder. It was fun, but winning this league will be more fun. Thanks Josh (Tree) for the trip down memory lane.

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 20:30

I’m in.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 14:05

Thanks Josh (Tree) for the trip down memory lane.

one can find almost anything on the internet. lol.

this track actually made me go down a wormhole a bit - production credits are given to Leon Russell, which blows me a way a bit considering how important he is to music. But some evidence shows that he production credits to him were for the Outcasts out of San Antonio, or, possibly, he actually WROTE the song and that's why he has the production credits.

crazy how wild west the music world was back then.

darkside
ID: 4201915
Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 19:04

Welcome to the league, taxman!

taxman
ID: 70181113
Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 00:37

Tree #32 this track actually made me go down a wormhole a bit - production credits are given to Leon Russell, which blows me a way a bit considering how important he is to music. But some evidence shows that he production credits to him were for the Outcasts out of San Antonio, or, possibly, he actually WROTE the song and that's why he has the production credits

Leon did not write the song.

The Outcasts of this song are all Dallas residents at the time. We signed with Snuff Garrett (he also had Gary Lewis and The Playboys as well as the Knickerbockers under contract). He brought Leon Russell ingto Dallas from LA where Leon was a member of the "Wrecking Crew". Snuff and Leon co-produced "Cupid" at PAM's Studio (the number one JINGLE studio at the time). Leon afew years later founded "The Shelter People" and besides his own hits, brought Joe Cocker into American music consciousness.

You are right about how crazy the music business was in the 60's. Viet Nam war got me out of music and into college to avoid draft, but I later flunked the physical after the lottery (#3) caught up with me. I could have been a career musician and wound up in a gutter with a needle in my arm, but instead went to law school and got a CPA license ... life just isn't fair. ;>)

taxman
ID: 70181113
Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 00:39

Now Tree/Go...you get post the crazy $hit you did when you were 18/19.

GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 07:25

You both have lived far more interesting lives than i have!

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 08:48

Welcome, taxman!

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 09:39

you get post the crazy $hit you did when you were 18/19.

those ages saw me getting drunk a lot and doing lots of reckless things with my friends before ultimately getting tossed out of my first college before I was 20.

my crazier stuff happened in my late 20s and early 30s, after moving to NYC, living the NYC life, and being in the music and pro wrestling businesses at the same time - that's when stuff was crazy crazy!

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 10:05

I’m in.

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 11:48

I’m in.

Fosten
ID: 101121321
Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 17:38

Taxman, this is a fascinating story. All these years of fantasy sports and I had no idea! Welcome aboard in G20. Let's trade!

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 00:14

I’m in.

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 09:09

I’m in.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 11:02

Bmd is in

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 19:47

BMD is using some Internet browser from biblical times. I suspect it's re-posting his post over and over again without his doing anything or even knowing. Last year we were losing blocks of messages at times and I attributed that to whatever browser he's using. Time to go Chrome, Champ.

Matt G
ID: 576318
Sun, Jan 16, 2022, 21:56

I had no idea Donny, that is an incredible story and we are all glad you ended up right where you are at.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 17:56

Code Toothpick is in via text with Thumper.

With the additions of Bobo (for mjd last year) and taxman (for vampire weekend), that gives us a full 20 for 20 confirmed managers for the 2022 season. Whether that is a full season that starts on time remains to be seen.

Important items as we look ahead. Last year, Opening Day was April 1st -- this year, barring no delay, Opening Day is March 31st!

Draft Lotteries - I have asked Guru to run these at his convenience and have provided him with the draft order AFTER demerits.

Keeper Deadline - roughly 18 days before Opening Day
- Somewhere around March 12th/13th - assuming Opening Day is not pushed back
- Out of whatever remaining pool of players you have at that point, you announce your 9 major league keepers

Prospect Keeper Deadline - 1 day after Keeper Deadline

Prospect Draft - the day after the Prospect Keeper deadline

Supplemental Draft - roughly 15 or 16 days before Opening Day
- All players not kept in the 9 keepers are all thrown into the Supplemental Draft
- NOTE: players still on the Prospect List are excluded from consideration
- "10th Keepers" - prospects called up - get added on top of each teams 9 keepers and are obviously excluded

Trade Review Committee
- During the offseason, trades are governed by a trade committee instead of commissioner review
- Wasn't mjd on this before? Need to discuss with Thumper, who has been a defacto head of that committee

Trade Moratorium
- Keep in mind there is a moratorium on trades for 30 days from the Keeper Deadline
- Long story, but a portion of the league became unhappy that rebuilding teams were dumping keepers (for prospects or picks) immediately after the keeper deadline
- So, keep this in mind if you choose a rebuilding strategy - you have roughly 2 weeks of the season where you are banned from trading someone you kept
- This moratorium does not apply to picks, prospects, or players picked in the Supplemental draft
- Once the season starts, we go back to our default that trades are governed by vote of the league via vetoing system.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 10:20

Just ran the lotteries. The email function in my random number generator is currently not working, so I am not able to send out audit copies of the random draws - although I did save them as pdfs is anyone want's to check them. Otherwise, you'll have to trust me. (2022 lottery details are in the following spreadsheet: http://rotoguru1.com/base/G20/G20-Jan22-14x4_balls.xls )

Here are the odds for each lottery team being selected for any pick. (These have been the same for many years.)

1) Lyman 25.0%
2) Bobo 20.0%
3) taxman 14.8%
4) Matt G 10.9%
5) blue hen 8.1%
6) Nerfherders 5.9%
7) darkside 4.4%
8) Guru 3.2%
9) youngroman 2.4%
10) Code Toothpick 1.8%
11) Species 1.3%
12) WG 1.0%
13) Fosten 0.7%
14) Donkey Kong 0.5%

Here are the randomly selected results:

Supplemental Draft
Pick 1: Lyman
Pick 2: Species
Pick 3: Matt G

Prospect Draft
Pick 1: Matt G
Pick 2: Bobo
Pick 3: Lyman

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 11:53

Thanks Guru. These have been updated in the draft grids.

Great year to be amongst the winners in the lottery for once....but in a twist of fate it is our CHAMP bmd that benefits from my lottery win and earns the #1 supplemental pick from a trade in 2019.

Let this be a lesson to you all! Be aggressive in your trades and you can be rewarded later!

Matt G
ID: 576318
Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 13:04

#1 prospect pick... that is excellent. I'll have to update my draft software to see who I want...

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 13:42

Species Trade Block!

Reading the tea leaves, including my own mortgaging of 2021 picks to win in 2019, I am giving serious consideration to a partial disassembling of my team and offering some of my veteran players for trade.

Max Scherzer, SP, NYM
-- ACE: You need ACE volume to win G20. Scherzer finished 1st in WHIP (by a longshot), 2nd in ERA, 5th in wins and 4th in both K and K/9.
-- Age? Ask the Mets: Joke about the Mets if you want, but Major League teams don't dole out $40M contracts to players showing signs of decline.
-- Statcast don't lie: Just check his savant page. The following stats are all in the 90%+ range: xWoba, xERA, xBA, K%, BB% and Whiff%.
-- Ironman: Throwing our his rookie half-season and 2020 covid season, Scherzer has NEVER failed to throw 170+ innings.

Jose Abreu, 1b, CHW
-- Ironman: After 145 games in his debut season, has only failed to play 152 once (2018)
-- Top RBI man in stacked lineup: Abreu was 2nd in MLB last year with 117 rbi. He has never failed to reach 100 rbi in a full season (2018 (128 gp) and 2020 the exceptions).
-- Fluky 2021: Abreu had a down year in batting average after a fluky 29 point reduction in BABIP. He also had a career high walk rate - he likely needed to adjust to being pitched around a bit.

Giancarlo Stanton, OF, NYY
-- He is who we thought he was: Stanton is a power god....can he stay healthy? He played in 139 games last year. He is a health risk, but the Yankees have done well to protect him last year and have a plan to do so again in 2022.
-- OF eligible: He played 26 games in the OF in 2021 and will qualify there in 2022. Huge!
-- Power in stacked lineup: The Yankees oddly had difficulty scoring runs. I call it a fluke. Stanton will bat 4th in a great lineup in a good hitting park.
Statcast don't lie: Stanton ranks atop the Max EV and Hard Hit % ranks. He has the 99th percentile an average exit velocity and 91st percentile in barrel rate.
-- He's only 32 years old

Anthony Rendon, 3b, LAA
-- Longshot to be traded? Rendon may be my hardest to trade, because I am unlikely to sell at a discount and will probably take my chances at a quick bounceback in 2022 before considering offers. Honestly I am jumping ALL OVER him in NFBC drafts this year given his ADP to put my money where my mouth is.
-- Fluky 2021: Rendon his 47 pts below his career BA and his OBP was also 40 pts below his career average. After a 4-year run of ISOs over .200, he plummeted down to .147 ISO, well below his career average of .197.
-- 2021 injuries: Injuries no doubt impacted his 2021. Minor groin, knee and hamstring dings slowed him down before hip surgery. Fully healed, I can't wait to see him rake in 2022.
-- Angels lineup: Imagine a healthy and typical Rendon hitting 3rd or 4th behind Ohtani and Trout (and Walsh?).

Matt Barnes, RP, BOS
-- If he earns the closer job, you'll want him

Others:
Nicky Lopez, SS, KC
-- .365 obp and 22 steals

Patrick Sandoval, SP, LAA
-- Made huge strides in the use / mixture of his stuff and generated good ERA/WHIP numbers with over 9k/9.

Prospects:
-- I grabbed a bunch of prospects, some of which could be worthy of keeping in your 9 if you are early in a rebuild

Probably not (but can talk anyone):
Francisco Lindor: Betting on a big bounceback
Christian Yelich: See Lindor
Jacob DeGrom: The best there is
Ty France: A young kid that just rakes

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 18:40

Also looking to entirely redo my roster as I do every winter. Looking to consolidate extra keepers or simply trade guys for picks.

Available, listed with their 2021 yahoo player rank:
54- Joey Votto, 1B
93- Chris Taylor, 2B, SS, 3B, OF
72- Trevor Story, SS
43- Robbie Grossman, OF
112- Hunter Renfroe, OF
91- CJ Cron, 1B
N/A- Luis Matos (would need to keep in your 9)
265- Sonny Gray, SP
414- Jon Gray
151- Yu Darvish
Anyone else not below

Not actively shopping but will trade
35- Freddy Peralta, SP
83- Mookie Betts, 2B, OF
96- Will Smith, RP
high number- Cody Bellinger, OF
Prospect Corbin Carroll

Not trading Acuna or woodruff

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jan 19, 2022, 18:40

Unrelated but can we maybe get a vote to move to Saves + Holds on the agenda sometime?

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 14:23

Guess it's hot stove league time!

Yuli Gurriel, 1b. Aging, but good for double digit dingers and a high OBP.

Josh Donaldson, 3b. Also aging. 25+ HRs, plus another high OBP guy. And despite his age, last year saw the highest barrel rate and lowest strikeout rate of his career.

Adolis Garcia - OF. This one a tough one for me. I love Adolis. I'm a Rangers fan. I plucked him from the waiver wire when he wasn't even starting because I had a gut feeling, and he played a key role in my team's success last season. 4th in the ROY voting, including 3 first place votes. 30 homers, 90 ribbies, 15 SBs, and 77 runs. With the free agents the Rangers signed, those counting stats should go up up up.

Daulton Varsho, C - another tough one. he's a young catcher that's a bit of a cheat code because he's also OF eligible, which means he'll play more and there will be less wear and tear on his body. Top 5 catcher on most lists, with some even having him #1 (which may be a stretch, to be honest). Only 25 years old, he has the makings of a long term keeper. if i don't get a trading partner on him, there's a good chance i'll keep him.

Luis Urias, 2b/SS/3b - THREE position eligibility, and 25+ homer pop from the MI spot. Solid OBP, and only 24 years old. He's another guy who's going to be a keeper for a long time.

Kyle Lewis, OF - 2020 ROY, but injuries hampered his 2021. Dude is a serious bounceback candidate, and another guy with long term keeper potential.

SPs:
Zac Gallen
Michael Kopech
Dylan Cease

Fireballers all, and all should be long term keepers at age 26 or younger. Kopech had a mind blowing 13.4 k/9 ratio, Cease had a whopping 12.3, and Gallen lifted into the double digits as well.

Closers:
Mark Melancon
Emmmanuel Clase
James Karinchak

All closers, all with great numbers across the board, and uber valuable in this league.

If I didn't list them, I'm willing to listen to offers, but believe these are my blue chippers.

No one is completely untouchable, but it would probably take some mountain moving for me to part with Perez, Bichette, Tucker, Burnes, or J. Urias.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 09:39

i suppose having an email address will help for those who want to reach out...

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 18:45

Completely unrelated, looking to deal Jordan Romano, David Bednar, Lucas Sims, Andres Munoz, Richard Rodriguez, and Andrew Chafin for pennies on the dollar!

Just kidding, though I remain adamantly opposed to this change, even if you were able to tell me who holds the season record for holds, or even who led the league last year.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 10:38

even if you were able to tell me who holds the season record for holds, or even who led the league last year.

this is a silly thing. We use WHIP, and most folks couldn't name the above for WHIP.

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 18:47

We can put S + H to a vote if there is enough support. This of course assumes that Yahoo can support it as a category.

The vote needs to contemplate whether or not to implement immediately or otherwise. Any rule changes that impact the keeper value of players (i.e. a potential disvaluing of closers) must also consider delaying the impact of the rule change.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 23:05

Shenanigans. I bet I could come close on the top 10. Definitely not so much on holds.

I’m hoping there’s not much support here, but for next year at the earliest.

Matt G
ID: 576318
Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 10:05

If we are voting on S+H why are we not considering QS over W?

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 11:21

As a reminder and for the benefit of our newer colleagues......

Any rule change may be put forth for discussion....but it does require some championing. Sometimes I do it. Sometimes it takes a groundswell of managers agreeing with the premise to have it take shape across the league. I need to see enough discussion / support for it before I will put it to a vote.

The most consistent call has been for a change in minimum IP due to the evolution of pitching in MLB.

The consideration for S + H has been concentrated in a vocal minority to date. That doesn't mean there isn't enough support....but if more than a small handful are in support, they are not speaking on its behalf.

So, if you have a rule change to present:

1) Propose
2) Make your case
3) Rattle cages to get support if necessary

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 18:25

Argument against just having saves… last year our 1st round was littered with picks who were a waste 1-2 months into the season. Last year’s 12th highest Saves leader was Ian Kennedy who was made closer during the 12th round of our draft. Meanwhile, those 1st round picks and keeper Kirby Yates were worthless. Was Kennedy a great pick? Sure. But literally everyone passed on him multiple times until someone got wind of comments from the manager that Kennedy “might” close games. How is farming the save stat a skill? One might argue that rebuilding teams can trade them for value, but I’d rather trade for a quality reliever who might get holds rather than a closer who might lose the job (and all value) soon after the trade. If you trade for a good closer and he’s demoted or splitting saves- he retains value in a S+H league. Saves only leagues benefit those who have the time to immediately grab a new closer once they get online notifications of them. That’s not skill (speaking as someone who does this to try and compete)

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 20:39

Agree with #62 and also for any league this deep - there just isn't enough saves to go around. There also is alot less dedicated closers these days, because actual real managers have also learned that your best reliever isn't necessarily the guy you put in the 9th inning. It's also a frustratingly manager-driven stat. If your 'closer' has 3 bad games in a row, he's out, never to see the position again.

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 20:59

The only way holds plus saves would work is if we had a moves limit or weekly roster lock. Without it, it’s a carousel of middle relievers adds/drops everyday which will have blue hen and WG win saves plus holds every year(they are the most active).

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 21:07

64: We do have the 300 move limit to help offset that.

The point is a valid one....it is totally what I would do. But would mining holds be the best use of your moves?

GO
ID: 34025146
Mon, Jan 24, 2022, 21:11

Ian Kennedy for life!

Lets just vote on this and move on ya hosers.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 13:19

If we are voting on S+H why are we not considering QS over

my quick argument against QS is that it's not 2016 anymore. The number of pitchers going 6+ innings in a start decreases every year.

Shenanigans. I bet I could come close on the top 10. Definitely not so much on holds.

No, shenanigans are what are discussed in post 62, which is why I believe you may more in favor of Saves of S+H.

The only way holds plus saves would work is if we had a moves limit or weekly roster lock. Without it, it’s a carousel of middle relievers adds/drops everyday which will have blue hen and WG win saves plus holds every year(they are the most active).

i played in one league last year with S+H, so this is a small sample size, but the guy who made the most moves (WG, by the way, more moves than the next 3 managers combined), finished 4th in S+H.

Guessing holds is a bit of a crapshoot. I spent all season chasing WG in that league, and a lot of that was trying to beat him in holds. Chasing holds is a guessing game and if you want to waste your moves doing that, by all means let that be part of your strategy.

S+H over S accomplishes two things:
1. It reduces the ridiculous overvaluing of a closer - This is a guy who doesn't pitch 6 innings in a week, and is as valuable to a fantasy baseball team as a good QB is to a fantasy football team.

2. It makes the game a bit more fun because you're less likely to tank a category because the guys you drafted as your closers gets hurt or demoted early in the season. Last season, 19 players saved 20 or more games. Last season, 19 players had 20 or more holds. And then there was another ten or so guys who had 15+ holds.

It adds a bit more depth to a category, to make it less dependent on luck. And this is coming from a guy who drafted reasonably well with his closers, getting Matt Barnes at the back of the first round and Emmanuel Clase in the middle of the 8th round.

S+H for me, all day, every day!

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 14:40

64 we could also limit the amount of RP starting slots on the roster to combat over streaming. Kudos WG for the idea in our offline debate

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 15:16

More analysis from my post on May 3 last year

"There have been 45 saves in MLB as of this morning (Apr 8). In the NFBC Main Event, all teams have 1084 saves combined. There are 43 leagues meaning the average league has 25.2 saves. This means 44% of saves so far this season weren’t on anybody’s active fantasy roster."
https://twitter.com/RobSilver/status/1380164119328854021?s=20

Its wild to me how much value were assigning in a deep dynasty league to these guys for 1 stat. Not picking on anyone, but heres how were doing as a league to keep up with the volatility of this role in real life.

Drafted to be closers, already arent one:
1st round - 5.5 players- 25% of the round (Rosenthal, Bradley, Hicks, Montero [.5], Colome, Holland)
2nd round - 2 players (Leclerc, Garret)
3rd round - 2 (Soria, Bass)
We also had a closer keeper unfortunately lose all value due to TJ, something that can happen to any pitcher obviously (Yates).

Drafted to be closers or speculative ones and ARE closers
1st round - 1.5 players (Montero, Barnes)
2nd round - 3 players (Dick Rod, T Rogers, Bard)
3rd round - 1 player (Melancon)
4th round - 2 players (D Castillo, Neris)
5th round - 1 player (McGee, who is pitching for a team unwilling to name a closer still)
6th+ rounds or undrafted - (Y Garcia, I Kennedy, C Valdez, Trivino, Staumont others)

Again, not picking on anyone. These early round closer picks are necessary for a Saves league, even if our round 1-3 success rate is only 37% already this year.
The elite keeper closers are still worth being kept - only 5 RP had 30+ Holds in 2019, with 25 RP getting 20+ Holds.

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 16:29

What makes a great pitcher?

A designated closer who earns a Save by retiring three batters before allowing three runs?

A starting pitcher who pitches a measely five innings, thus relying on his bullpen to get 12 of the required 27 outs in order to earn his Win?

A journeyman middle releiver who comes in to face the minimum three batters and collects a Hold after recording a groundout, while also serving up two solo homers that cut his team's lead to one run?

Speaking of journeyman relievers, Brent Suter in 2021 compiled a 1.31 WHIP while collecting out of the bullpen a whopping 12 wins, which was one more than his teammate, starting pitcher Corbin Burnes, who won the NL Cy Young. Suter also compiled three more wins than teammate Brandon Woodruff (2.56 ERA, 0.96 WHIP), who finished fifth in the NL Cy Young voting, and two more wins than teammate Freddy Peralta (2.81 ERA, 0.97 WHIP).

When Wins and Saves (and Heaven forbid Holds and Quality Starts) are eliminated and replaced by pitching ratios, you get a much clearer idea of who is truly a great pitcher and who merely is gaining fantasy value due to situational pitching.

So what does make a truly great pitcher?

Personally, I like guys who pile up the K's and keep walks at a minimum. Guys who keep runners off the basepaths and from crossing home plate. In my opinion, these are the guys who should always have the most value in fantasy. Not pitchers who compile the counting stats Saves, Holds and Wins thru situational pitching via managerial decisions. You can mostly eliminate the decisions of an MLB manager and the nuances of pitching counting stat categories by making all pitching categories Ratios.

ERA
WHIP
K/9
K/BB

Those four ratios pretty much determine the cream of the crop of all pitchers, whether they a starter, a middle reliever or a closer. There are about a dozen other options for a fifth ratio category.

Incidentally, while I completely understand the frustration of those in the Saves+Holds camp, if it comes down to a vote between Saves vs Saves+Holds, or Wins vs Quality Starts, I am in the camp to keep things the same. I think the Saves+Holds and Quality Starts counting stats categories are more problematic, for many of the reasons already outlined by other naysayers, than do they solve the problems of Saves and Wins.

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 17:44

I would be for moving to S+H over just S

Code Toothpick
ID: 320502516
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 17:50

+1 on S+H

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 19:40

Re: Post 62

To be fair, Round One of the 2021 draft was not just a big swing and miss on closers, it was a big swing and miss almost across the board. Among 2021 first round busts that are not closers were Dom Smith, Zach Eflin, Leody Tavares, Andres Gimenez, Christian Walker and Dylan Bundy. Outside of Sandy Alcantara, Teoscar Hernandez, Kevin Gausman and Tyler Mahle, that whole crop of first rounders bombed. (Buxton was great, but only played 61 games.) That's a league-wide 20 percent success rate in the first round. And, like Yates, there are a lot of non-closers who were kept that also sucked. Additionally, Cedric Mullins was passed over 29 more times than was Ian Kennedy. Not trying to be oppositional, but rather to point out that it happens to some extent at all positions.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 20:03

Holds are luck. Period. Holds are luck. They give one to the guy who gives up two runs in the 6th inning. They give them to four guys in a game. They give them to guys you never heard of. Jake McGee already cost one team a title with a fluke win, I’d hate to see somebody lose on a fluke hold. Holds are far less consistent year over year than saves, and you guys are already whining about inconsistency of saves.

Please don’t do this. Holds are luck.

GO
ID: 34025146
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 20:17

Just got to pick Mullins and Kennedy like I did and picks don't matter. Deep thoughts.

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 20:50

I am in the DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING Camp. I agree with BH that Holds is too random a stat. A pitcher can get a HOLD and a LOSS, which is just too weird.

As a team with two of the best closers in the league, any change should be 2+ season off.

I've always used MRs as a stabilizer for ERA/WHIP, and hopefully vulture a few WINS or SAVES.

Tree
ID: 571142323
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 21:02

A journeyman middle releiver...

Lol, we get it. You think any non closer reliever is a bum, even if the vast majority of closers were failed starters or former middle relievers.

Holds are luck

And finding a good closer is luck. What's your point?

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 21:15

"Lol, we get it. You think any non closer reliever is a bum, even if the vast majority of closers were failed starters or former middle relievers."

How disappointing that is what you got from my post. Not too surprising as I knew the entire time I was writing that it would fall COMPLETELY on deaf ears.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 21:17

Again with the shenanigans. Finding saves, in addition to good timing, requires knowing about middle relievers. More of that, I’d say, than finding holds. Finding holds is significantly more luck-based than finding saves.

Also, I believe I’m one of three managers who has kept a non-closer reliever in g20. And I win the title that year.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Jan 25, 2022, 21:34

Kenley Jansen was a failed shortstop.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 16:00

LOUD NOISES

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 19:11

Nothing is at all getting out of hand, but let's keep the rhetoric out of the discussions (which are fruitful). So keep your shenanigans and divisive commentary out of it.

- make your arguments
- state your case
- hint or state where you are likely to vote

Thanks.

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jan 26, 2022, 20:24

I prefer saves to saves+holds. I think good non-closer middle relievers still have considerable value, being assets in ERA, WHIP, and K/9. The yahoo ranks show that plenty of relievers with few to no saves finished higher than some relievers with saves. I think if managers think there's a high likelihood early draft picks chasing saves will be wastes, they can plan around that (trade for closers to keep, draft would-be closers later, don't draft any and be willing to pay or trade for closers in season, etc). I floated the SP/RP maxes earlier but I was actually referring to a saves league to avoid something like hoarding would-be closers and relievers, if that was desired. I think RP caps just to facilitate a move to holds would create other problems, namely making it tougher to start good middle relievers in order to stabilize ERA, WHIP, and K/9; a viable strategy and approach that I don't think should be hindered by only being able to start (2) RP or only relievers that also count as SP. I guess personally I just don't see enough injustice necessitating a change, and probably just lean a bit towards custom and tradition in keeping saves (and wins, but that's another topic).

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 17:43

Also need discussion on the IP limit.

My prerequisite is that changes in minimums account for our high standards of participation and as much 'anti-tanking' as we can.......

....because sure enough, if we lower limits and any teams take advantage of that, as many teams will be upset at that as they were about limits to begin with.

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 18:42

I’m for lowering pitching minimums

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 22:58

I’d support a full, even strength lottery of teams 12-19, with picks moving for all rounds. Then 20th, then 10-1.

Then kill the minimums.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 22:58

11-19 rather.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 16:00

86/87: So, your thought is to bring a penalty to finishing last by having the last place team relegated to the 10th pick?

I can see something to incentivize teams against finishing last.....is this a bit severe though?

If they tanked, it is not too severe. If they just had a bad team or a slough of injuries, sometimes it just happens (but I admit that many low-finishing teams are "not trying").

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 17:08

Kind of like BH's idea of randomizing each round. Why not pay out 1-6 and lottery everyone else evenly? Doesn't fight tanking or apathy but doesn't reward it. Maybe some rules like can't get the first pick in a round more than X times, can't get last more than X times, etc??

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 21:31

Look at our history- the team in 20 is almost never apathetic.

The biggest downside is ruining a franchise. Especially if the owner quits, leaving a lousy team with bad picks. But I think it’ll be a scramble to get out of that spot, so that’s nice.

And if you’re 11th or lower, which I’d call out of contention, you just have to get lucky. Sometimes you will, sometimes you won’t.

And keep in mind, this is all rounds, so no incentive to tank once you’re below 11.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 14:28

How often have we had a team tank that we need to invoke significant penalties.

The reality here is that most of us have been playing long enough to know when someone is tanking - we saw it in the football league.

So instead of moving in a more punitive direction that is more than likely going to affect more innocent teams than guilty ones, let's use common sense. if a team is tanking, we'll know it, and we punish them accordingly, perhaps a simple forfeiture of their next first round pick.

and if that owner leaves and a new owner takes over, the punishment remains.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 15:25

I’m not on board with an arbitrary “we’ll know” and an arbitrary “we’ll act accordingly.”

I was tanking this year, and only stopped because I felt bad when I was called out on it. If we don’t have a rule in place, it’s going to keep happening.

I don’t think teams in the lower half should be entitled to higher picks for lower performance, so I don’t think it’s punishing a lot of teams for the actions of few.

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 20:09

Exactly. You were displaying poor sportsmanship, and were called out on it.

As for not rewarding poorly performing teams with high draft picks, welcome to sports. I think if you stick around, you'll really like sports.

Matt G
ID: 576318
Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 12:57

Uhm, if I finish 20th and "tried" even if that means not filling my lineup daily, but every other day, and you give me the 10th pick I'm not sticking in the league.

My team was AWFUL last year and it took 2 teams that basically almost tanked to keep me from last place, those teams make like 2 moves and I'm in dead last.

sorry that doesn't make this league seem enjoyable.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 13:50

I do think you have to actually work to finish last in this league, but fine, I’ll drop that part. I’d support a more flat lottery, but that’s far less important to me than keeping saves. So I’ll drop it on the lotto stuff.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Feb 02, 2022, 15:46

Team update:

Coming off my 'win' in 2020, I had, by any measure, a stinky season last year. I look at my team and still can't figure it out. Despite this, I managed to make a handful of great trades. I turned Bellinger into Freeman and Ketel Marte. I managed to acquire Adames and Garver for not terribly much. O'Neill came through in his first season on the team. Some FA's look to have promising futures.

The end result is I have more keeper-quality players than I can keep, particularly on the hitting side.

Probable keepers include:
Freeman
O'Neill
Lowe
Marte
Chapman
Snell
Skubal

I have to keep two of:
Adames
Garver
Soler
Edman
Paddack
Cortes

Hiura is also available and could be a lottery ticket for a hitter-needy team.

I would listen on anyone if it makes sense. I made a blockbuster trade last offseason and it paid off (at least in the confines of the trades), and that was when I thought I was going to contend.

This year I'm not sure what my outlook is. Hitting should be good, but pitching needs alot of work. So I guess what I'm saying is I would probably need pitching in any deal I make.

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Feb 03, 2022, 01:26

Looking to deal the following for picks, in 2022 or 2023.
- Ian Happ
- Andrew Benintendi
- Huascar Ynoa
- David Bednar
- Lucas Sims

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Feb 03, 2022, 01:26

Looking to deal the following for picks, in 2022 or 2023.
- Ian Happ
- Andrew Benintendi
- Huascar Ynoa
- David Bednar
- Lucas Sims

100

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Feb 03, 2022, 08:10

Oh and Aaron Ashby.

101

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Feb 03, 2022, 10:01

It was pointed out to me that I left Joey Gallo off my list, which is weird, because i remember writing it up.

Anyway, Gallo - an asset in OBP leagues - is available at the right price.

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WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Feb 03, 2022, 12:54

Even though it seems like everyone is trying to sell/consolidate, I'll go ahead and get my potential keepers out there too.

Shane Bieber
Robbie Ray
Lance Lynn
Adam Wainwright (26 overall last year)
Kenley Jansen
Camilo Doval (ranked 13 Closer on FantasyPros, 15 on Fantrax)
Corey Knebel (16 Fantrax)
Paul Sewald (23 FantasyPros, 24 Fantrax)
Dylan Floro (Yahoo projected 20 saves)

J.D. Martinez
Franmil Reyes
Ryan Mountcastle
Adam Duvall (Yahoo projected 39 HR)
Frank Schwindel
Gary Sanchez
Marcell Ozuna
Myles Straw (Yahoo projected 25 SB)

103

DK6000
ID: 430411110
Thu, Feb 03, 2022, 17:41

My current thinking/likely voting position on a few of the issues:

Saves vs Saves + Holds: I'd support saves + holds, but acknowledge that it creates its own set of problems, mostly related to increased roster churn. Sure holds are luck, but how are they different than saves? Why is getting three outs in the ninth inning of a three run game any more valuable than getting three outs in the 7th inning of a one run game? My ideal solution would be a combined saves + holds that weights saves more heavily (maybe 2:1), but Yahoo doesn't support this as far as I know, so I think saves + holds is then next best option for a league our size. There just aren't enough saves to go around.

Wins vs QS: Strongly support QS. Of course it's not a perfect stat, but it's a far better measure of pitcher effectiveness than wins, and far more stable season to season for the best pitchers. I don't believe enough teams use openers consistently to really affect QS in a macro way, but if someone has data to prove me wrong I'm open to it.

Draft Picks: Tanking doesn't seem to be a huge problem, and I agree with the above comments that we would generally see it as it's happening. That said, I support evening out the lottery in batches as Blue Hen proposed. I'm all for proposals that remove incentives to suck, whether in fantasy sports or in real life sports.

104

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 09:52

I don't believe enough teams use openers consistently to really affect QS in a macro way, but if someone has data to prove me wrong I'm open to it

This article is a year old, but discussed just how much IP/GS have come down.

And we see in this article, that while 2020 was a *slight* anomaly (likely due to covid), 2021 was a drop from 2019 well within the range of previous drops.

we're at a point now where SPs are *barely* pitching enough to qualify for a win, and nearly an inning below the qualifications for a QS.

I believe only 20-something pitchers averaged 6+ IP per start last season, which to me puts QS in the same category as saves, where some pitchers who happen to go deeper into games because that's the team strategy to do so are dramatically over valued.

That being said, MLB may be making rules (if we ever have MLB again) to reduce the whole opener issue - because the league is fully aware of how much it bogs down games - and if that happens, I may switch my line of thinking opposing QS as a stat in this league.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 19:25

I’m with Tree on QS for those reasons.

And believe it or not, I like vulture wins.

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Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 19:25

Can we get contact info for the new guys?

Also, please post if you’re looking to add, rather than consolidate.

107

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 00:26

I’ll add

108

Lyman
ID: 290311615
Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 15:56

*** TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT ***

MATTHEW RECEIVES
Lyman's 2022 P-Pick 1.03
Lyman's 2022 P-Pick 1.13
Brandon Belt
Joe Ryan
Tanner Houck

LYMAN RECEIVES
Matthew's 2022 P-Pick 1.01

109

Matt G
ID: 1248185
Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 15:56

Confirmed.

110

Species
ID: 1412613
Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 14:02

HUUUUUGE trade!! Aggressive AF by Lyman, who paid to get his man. Pricey in a loaded draft for sure....but looking at the context of Lyman's team, he already has prospects and prospect picks coming out of his ears... why not consolidate into a consensus All-Star slugger who is MLB ready?

For Matt, the volume play is worth downgrading for.

Thumper....please engage the Trade Review Committee.

NOTE: Once approved, please process the trade through Yahoo.

ANOTHER NOTE FOR ALL: Many teams have a roster in excess of allowed size due to players on IL at the end of the season. If you make a trade, you will need to right-size your roster to let it go through.

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Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Feb 06, 2022, 21:02

108 has been approved

112

Matt G
ID: 576318
Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 08:51

Will a commish process this on Yahoo since we are in pre-draft? thanks

113

Matt G
ID: 576318
Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 12:02

Looking to make moves for some picks namely prospects but also potential Supplemental picks.

I have a core 9 I'm keeping but they could be moved.

114

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Feb 07, 2022, 18:57

112: Done. Grid updated as well.

115

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 11:30

In 2020 we added an offseason trade review committee as outlined below. mjd was on the committee and needs to be replaced.

Any volunteers before I assign someone :)

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New Trade Review Committee

Congratulations to our new Trade Review Committee Members!

Tree
Thumper
WG
Nerfherders
mjd

The two alternates are Tosh and GO. In a worst case scenario where a member is unresponsive, the Commissioner may step in and vote.

Our new rule requires that offseason trades be reviewed by this new committee. It takes 4 out of 5 votes to veto offseason trades. The committee has up to 48 hours to overturn. The committee may take less time if the voters cast their votes sooner. Votes are tabulated by the Commissioner and can be received either by email or text message. The Commissioner will then communicate the outcome of the committees review.

The committee is encouraged to talk between themselves the merits, or lack thereof, of any trade presented for review. If a trade is sufficiently balanced and there is no notable scent of collusion, the committee may opine in as little time necessary.

NOTE: In-season trades will continue to be governed by our league sites trade voting process.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 11:41

Shohei Ohtani the pitcher was picked up before the end of the 2021 season....a move which I later reversed.

Something as significant as a site change has consequences, and the difference between ESPN and Yahoo was significant for yr on Ohtani. So, when we voted for Yahoo I proposed the following:

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Fri, Mar 26, 2021, 12:29 2: Here is what I recommend. If there are differing opinions, I would be happy to hear them:

NOTE: Each of these grandfathered treatments below only apply while Ohtani is KEPT by a team
---to lessen the reduction of keeper value for youngroman, these treatments go with Ohtani if he is traded
---However, if Ohtani is ever dropped to waivers or not kept by youngroman (or a traded-to team), he loses these treatments and is treated as two separate players by Yahoo

1) Ohtani will be permanently treated as ONE single keeper each year
2) To retain these allowances, the owner of Ohtani must permanently keep either Ohtani (the Pitcher or the Hitter) on his roster
3) The Ohtani owner may rotate either the hitter or the pitcher on and off of waivers as they see fit
--these transactions will not count towards our transaction limits

In the end, the Ohtani owner is disadvantaged by this move and there is nothing more that can be done. To use both players, he will have to constantly shuffle between both to maximize his roster. Those are the breaks, but I think the above treatments can at least try to minimize the impact.
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I never put it in the rules so I do not blame the manager who picked Ohtani up. But, just so we have it in there going forward, I have noted the following in our rules:

Shohei Ohtani Exception:
Shohei Ohtani was acquired during our time at ESPN when he had dual position eligibility as a hitter and a pitcher while being only one rostered player. With our move to Yahoo, that vote was predicated upon the owner of Ohtani permanently retaining the right to keep BOTH the hitter and pitcher as one keeper and retain the rights to both the hitter and the pitcher indefinitely.

The owner of Ohtani may drop and re-pick up Ohtani in Yahoo as many times as they want in order to have something resembling the roster flexibility they had at ESPN. No other teams may pick up either the hitter or the pitcher. NOTE: The owner of Ohtani must ALWAYS roster at least one Ohtani to retain these rights.

Let me know if you have any questions.

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WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Feb 08, 2022, 12:30

Shane Bieber, SP, Cle otb. Would be looking for a top, youngish hitter + keepable SP.

118

Matt G
ID: 576318
Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 14:39

I am looking to move a few of the following:

Brandon Belt 1B SF - Played 97 games and hit 29 bombs last year. Won't hurt your OBP and is locked in a 1B.

Mike Yaz OF SF - More Power from the SF Giants, when healthy he will drive in runs and hit bombs; would keep him but I have lots of OF depth.

German Marquez SP Col - Only 26, will win you double digit games and have an ERA under 4.00 away from Coors. If you get a couple lucky games at home too he could be a difference maker. Second half of the year he was excellent all around except for 3 stinkers.

Cristian Javier SP Hou - Only 24, will get you tons of Ks, Hou needs to use him properly he is not effective out of the bullpen and needs to start games.

Dinelson Lamet SP SD - Still under 30, maybe he'll put it together here.

Looking to acquire SUP Picks or prospect picks late rounders even.

119

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 15:27

Re #116

I would word it so that it applied to any two-way player, so that we can apply the rule to anyone in the future. It's unlikely that anyone like Ohtani will come along in the next decade, but you never know.

"The owner of any player that is listed SEPARATELY in Yahoo as both hitter and pitcher may drop and re-pick up that player in Yahoo as many times as they want in order to have something resembling the roster flexibility they had at ESPN. No other teams may pick up either the hitter or the pitcher. NOTE: The owner of the two-way player must ALWAYS roster at least one version of him to retain these rights.

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:42

119: We can certainly consider that.....but generally I strongly prefer to let our host site be the default on as many things as possible.

The more special rules / special workarounds / manual things that you have, the easier it is to get screwed up....or managers might feel mistreated if their workaround isn't implemented when other workarounds are.....I can absolutely be overthinking it, but if everyone knows what the merits and limitations of our chosen host site are, then they apply to everyone equally and without prejudice.

Ohtani was an unique circumstance where youngroman's value in that player was materially compromised based upon the move to Yahoo. If another impact two-way player evolves at some point in the future, any manager that considers an investment in that player can do so knowing full well the limitations of Yahoo and plan accordingly.

Other thoughts?

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 11:46

In trade news, I am receiving legitimate inquiries on Max Scherzer. If you would like to have a top 5 pitcher this year, please inquire!

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Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 18:51

The Mobsters would really like to bring home a title this season. Ya know, before Mike Trout is too old to enjoy it! But ohhh man, my list of potential keepers is long this year. I've got as many as 15 players listed in the top 180. A typically offense-heavy team, I've now managed to assemble a formidable pitching staff as well. Which ones to keep? Hmmm. Not sure. All I know someone is going to really luck out in a trade. Please help take these great players off my hands!

Unlikely to trade
- Mike Trout
- Trea Turner
- Pete Alonso

Hitters Available
- Paul Goldschmidt
- Adalberto Mondesi
- Austin Meadows
- Ke'Bryan Hayes
- Jake Cronenworth
- Mitch Haniger
- Jarren Duran

Pitchers Available
- Jose Berrios
- Shane McClanahan
- Logan Gilbert
- Luis Severino
- Framber Valdez

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SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 08, 2022, 10:37

The disappointing baseball offseason continues as MLB and MLBPA cannot get their $hit together. It's a trade buzzkill and it is hard to get managers motivated.

Still, we could get a miracle and hear news of an agreement sometime in the next couple of weeks. As such, we need to have an outline for the G20 schedule so teams can plan:

- Keepers due 18 days before Opening Day
- Prospect keepers due 17 days before Opening Day
- Prospect draft starts 16 days before Opening Day
- Supplemental draft opens 14 days before Opening Day
- Supplemental draft clock starts 13 days before Opening Day
- Moratorium on trading KEEPERS goes from the Keeper Deadline for 30 days

Trading is wide open at the moment (cough, cough).

124

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 15:29

We’re back!

125

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 15:57

April 7 start.

162 game regular season

No more runner on second base in extra innings.

No more 7-inning doubleheaders.

Most importantly ... I caught a Jon Paul Morosi interview in progress, but I think he was alluding to Torkelson and Riley Greene being more likely to break camp for the Tigers (Morosi is a Detroit native), so hopefully that means the new CBA is scrapping the old Super 2 rules.

126

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 16:00

Light up the stove.

127

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 19:29

Based on Species’ post above, I think keepers are due March 20. So let’s trade ppl! Available players, will trade for picks as well.

Joey Votto, 1B
Chris Taylor, 2B, SS, 3B, OF
Trevor Story, SS
Robbie Grossman, OF
Hunter Renfroe, OF
CJ Cron, 1B
Luis Matos (would need to keep in your 9)
Sonny Gray, SP
Jon Gray, SP
Yu Darvish, SP
Freddy Peralta, SP
Will Smith, RP

128

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 13:03

LFG! Time for some wheeling and dealing!

Joey Gallo, OF. Power! OBP! Awesome!

Yuli Gurriel, 1b. Aging, but good for double digit dingers and a high OBP.

Josh Donaldson, 3b. Also aging. 25+ HRs, plus another high OBP guy. And despite his age, last year saw the highest barrel rate and lowest strikeout rate of his career.

Adolis Garcia - OF. This one a tough one for me. I love Adolis. Im a Rangers fan. I plucked him from the waiver wire when he wasnt even starting because I had a gut feeling, and he played a key role in my teams success last season. 4th in the ROY voting, including 3 first place votes. 30 homers, 90 ribbies, 15 SBs, and 77 runs. With the free agents the Rangers signed, those counting stats should go up up up.

Daulton Varsho, C - another tough one. hes a young catcher thats a bit of a cheat code because hes also OF eligible, which means hell play more and there will be less wear and tear on his body. Top 5 catcher on most lists, with some even having him #1 (which may be a stretch, to be honest). Only 25 years old, he has the makings of a long term keeper. if i dont get a trading partner on him, theres a good chance ill keep him.

Luis Urias, 2b/SS/3b - THREE position eligibility, and 25+ homer pop from the MI spot. Solid OBP, and only 24 years old. Hes another guy whos going to be a keeper for a long time.

Kyle Lewis, OF - 2020 ROY, but injuries hampered his 2021. Dude is a serious bounceback candidate, and another guy with long term keeper potential.

SPs:
Zac Gallen
Michael Kopech
Dylan Cease

Fireballers all, and all should be long term keepers at age 26 or younger. Kopech had a mind blowing 13.4 k/9 ratio, Cease had a whopping 12.3, and Gallen lifted into the double digits as well.

Closers:
Mark Melancon
Emmmanuel Clase
James Karinchak

All closers, all with great numbers across the board, and uber valuable in this league.

If I didnt list them, Im willing to listen to offers, but believe these are my blue chippers.

No one is completely untouchable, but it would probably take some mountain moving for me to part with Perez, Bichette, Tucker, Burnes, or J. Urias.

129

Species
ID: 1412613
Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 14:29

See post 51 :)

130

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 23:51

Keeping Hoskins, India, Gleyber, Bregman, Schwarber, Cole, Mahle, Verlander, Romano plus Josiah Gray

Looking to deal the rest for 2023 picks.
MLB-ready players in Fangraphs top 50: MJ Melendez, Josh Lowe, Oswald Peraza, Aaron Ashby
Stud closers: Lucas Sims, David Bednar
Young SP: Huascar Ynoa
Bats: Ian Happ, Andrew Benintendi, Yoshi Tsutsugo

Again, looking for 2023 picks.

131

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 12:14

Please see post #97. :)

132

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 12:21

I am looking to add an extra late round Prospect Draft pick. A fifth rounder would be perfect. Or a 4th rounder, if you haven't a 5th rounder.

××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××××

Also thought I'd add below my list of available players and Prospect picks.

LYMAN'S AVAILABLE ASSETS

3B MATT CHAPMAN
Now 18 months removed from Sept 2020 hip labrum surgery, the long recovery period being what many suggest was the reason for his struggles in 2021 (the injury having hampered him in 2020 prior to surgery). Still managed in 2021 a whopping 12.9 percent walk rate (14th in MLB). Still in the prime of his career at 28 years old. A big bat which hit 36 bombs with 102 RBI in 2019. A good possibility he's traded to a contender, and was linked by Buster Olney in January as a target by the Yankees to play shortstop (yes, shortstop) for the Evil Empire.

1B NATE LOWE
Another walk machine (12.5 percent walk rate that ranked 16th in 2021), Lowe also can hit for average and has easy power. A launch angle change (which you'd have to imagine he's been working on all offseason) might make him a 30-HR guy in the middle of a lineup now featuring Corey Seager and Semien. At 26, he's entering the prime of his career, and with 8 SB in 2021 is not a slug on the basepaths.

PROSPECT PICK 1.18
If you've taken the time to break down this draft, as I have, you know that there are going to be some pretty tasty prospects available in the first 25 or so picks, including players that are on the verge of contributing as early as this season.

PROSPECT PICK 2.01
See above.

All of my 2023 Prospect Draft picks are also available.

133

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 10:07

Not trading:
Jack Flaherty
Vlad Jr
Tatis
Semien

In the right deal:
Kevin Gausman
Charlie Morton
Trevor Bauer

Keeping 2 but all are available
Willson Contreras
Brandon Nimmo
Bobby Dalbec
Matt Canha
Michael Brantley
Cavan Biggio
Lane Thomas

Possibly some other fringe keepers on my team as well, they’d be super cheap.

Mainly looking for supplemental picks.

134

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 15:30

Hallelujah, baseball is back and with only a minor 8 day delay. With Opening Day April 7th, we will institute the following calendar for G20 this year:

- Keepers due Noon ET on Sunday March 20th
- Prospect keepers Noon ET on Monday March 21st
- Prospect draft starts Noon ET on Tuesday March 22nd
- Supplemental draft opens Thursday March 24th
- Supplemental draft clock starts Noon ET Friday March 25th
- Moratorium on trading KEEPERS goes from the Keeper Deadline for 30 days, expiring Noon ET on April 19th

Thankfully taxman and Bobo are familiar with Draftime, so we are good there. KKB has been waiting for the lockout to end and to have some settling of free agents and whatnot before finalizing the roster database and launching baseball. I will send out invites when that happens.

135

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 12:31

Thanks for the post in 134; I am eager to get going.

136

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Mon, Mar 14, 2022, 21:43

Open to trading one of the following I listed as keepers. Please make your best offer.

Justin Verlander
Gleyber Torres
Rhys Hoskins
Jonathan India
Jordan Romano

137

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 10:53

Unlike most I think I'm actually low on keepers so would consider 1 for 2s/3s with these guys; make me an offer if you'd like. 7th and 8th keep are likely Myles Straw and Kenley Jansen/other closer, so any 3rd guy probably bumps one of these two so would have to be better. Or I could swap prospect Nate Pearson for a keeper.

Shane Bieber
Robbie Ray
Lance Lynn
J.D. Martinez
Franmil Reyes
Ryan Mountcastle

138

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:10

I've also got 9 prospect picks I'd include in trade/trades to get keepers.

139

DK6000
ID: 430411110
Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 17:45

Willing to move any of the guys below, willing to consider variety of structures (including 1 for 2 type deals for the right players)

Xander Bogaerts
Kris Bryant (will probably wait until he signs to make a final decision)
Mike Clevinger

Others on my roster are available but either unlikely to move or unlikely to have significant value in a trade. Looking forward to the hot stove heating up!

140

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:49

For those of us with graduated G20 prospects, should we add those players to our roster?

For instance, I'm keeping Andrew Vaughn among my MLB-9, but he is not on my roster. Can I pick him up and drop a non-keeper so I can mark Vaughn as a keeper?

141

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 11:06

140: Good reminder. It is time for those teams with prospects OVER limits still on the prospect list (hopefully I have accurately reflected those players by underlining them in the Constitution) to call them up to their major league rosters if they intend on keeping them in their 9.

Lyman - I would prefer to do it myself. So, to him and any other managers wishing to keep those players, please let me know (text, post here, whatever) who you want to keep and who you are dropping to adhere to the 23 player max.

By my records, these players include (but not limited to):
bmd - Brusdar Graterol
blue hen - Yoshitomo Tsutsugo
Fosten - KeBryan Hayes
Lyman - Andrew Vaughn
Thumper - Sam Hilliard
Tree - James Karinchak

142

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 11:36

COMMISH - Please add Andrew Vaughn and drop Jonah Heim from my roster. Thank you.

143

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 12:10

Sam Hilliard can stay where his is in Free Agency, thanks

144

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 16:54

Still looking to add a keeper or two, either via trading 1 for 2/3, prospect, or pick. Shoot me an offer if interested.

145

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 09:55

All: I reactivated the ESPN league in order to retain access to historical data. Please ignore in terms of 2022 and beyond.

146

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 09:58

Jack Flaherty is on the block. Lots of potential but his shoulder issues have me worried for this year. Great for a team looking to rebuild. Looking for a veteran keeper(no pitchers over the hill).

147

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 13:00

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

LYMAN RECEIVES
Matthew's 2022 P-Pick 5.04

MATTHEW RECEIVES
Nate Lowe

148

Matt G
ID: 576318
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 13:03

RE: 147

Confirmed

149

Lyman
ID: 2910361920
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 13:45

What Matthew just received in Nate Lowe for a measely 5th round P-Pick ...

An in-his-prime MLB player with an important 750+ AB's under his belt.

An underrated professional-type hitter who, at 25 years old in his first full season, ranked a very respectable 139th overall in G20 last year.

16th best walk rate in MLB in his first full season.

34th best OBP in MLB in his first full season. With 20 teams in G20, that makes Lowe a #2 guy in the OBP category.

A known run producer who is slated to bat cleanup behind new All Star acquisitions Corey Seager and Marcus Semien.

Ranked third among true MLB first basemen with a useful 8 SB.

Is a launch angle change away from 30 HR.

A Jesse Winker type who can hit for average, draw a ton of walks, knock in runs, while developing his power.

A near-finished product (launch angle change is all that's left) that was drafted 11th overall in the G20 2019 Prospect Draft.

Anyway, just having a little fun talkin' baseball and spreading my opinion that Nate Lowe is being wholly underrated going into 2022 fantasy baseball drafts. Good on Matthew for jumping on the currently un-crowded bandwagon!

150

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 16:01

<147> is approved, congrats to both teams

151

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 22:48

Speaking of Lowes on the block, I’m looking to trade the 2022 AL Rookie of the Year, Josh Lowe. I don’t need fancy stats to back it up, I’ll use basic ones. He had 20 homers, 20 steals and a 900 OPS in AAA last year, and wasn’t retired by a single major league pitcher.

Rotowire has him as their #15 prospect, one spot ahead of Noelvi Marte. They also project him for 13 homers and 15 steals, and at his age you’ll keep him for years.

He’ll come pretty cheap too, due to roster crunch. Get those offers in.

152

GO
ID: 35231211
Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 12:33

GO Black Sox Auction Block
Looking for picks of any kind...

Luke Voit - headed to SDG and ready to rock 1B with every day DH ABs
Nelson Cruz - woo NL DH, get that power!
Marcus Stroman
Hyun Jin Ryu
Craig Kimbrell
Blake Treinen - RW projects 33 saves, woh

Drew Waters (prospect eligible -- would be better than your last round P Pick)

Also selling a package electric young keepers for 2-1 upgrade of a keeper.
Cedric Mullins
Frankie Montas (or Pablo Lopez)

153

Blue Hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 23:07

Offering up Ian Happ for the best 2023 pick you’ll offer. Amazing in 2020 and in the second half of 2021. Bring it.

154

Fosten
ID: 101121321
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 03:53

Good morning everyone. The forecast is bright and sunny and I hope you woke up on the right side of the bed. I'm Fosten and I'll be standing by all day to take your requests. A young listener from Sandy Fork, Delaware recently wrote the show and asked "Dear Fosten, my brother and I are chicken farmers from Sussex County. We used to watch Austin Meadows when he was in the Pittsburgh Pirates farm system and both have fond memories of this time. Austin Meadows is an amazing ballplayer. Would you be willing to play his song on your show for my brother Jay? This would really mean alot to me." Signed Mark. Ok Mark, here's your request and dedication. On the trade block: Austin Meadows

155

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 13:07

Trade Announcement

Tree trades:
Daulton Varsho, Adonis Garcia, and his 5th round S-pick

to Bobo for:
Austin Riley and his 4th round S-pick.

156

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 13:42

*Adolis Garcia. stupid ducking autocorrect.

157

Bobo
ID: 12341914
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 15:34

Trade confirmation.

New keepers TBD.

158

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 17:03

totally unrelated, but I'm hoping both Bobo and GO caught post 154.

159

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 19, 2022, 21:20

We are roughly 15 hours from the keeper deadline, and the following teams have yet to post their keepers:

taxman
darkside
WG
Fosten
Tosh
Jon Dowd
Thumper
Great One
Tree

Please post by Noon ET tomorrow, Sunday the 20th, or your keepers will be chosen for you.

Tree / Bobo's trade is still subject to review by the Trade Committee.

160

GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 00:11

Does it make it doubly strange that I live in Delaware AND that I love the Briscoes?

161

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 01:21

Thank you to everyone who reached out to me today. A month ago, I wasn't sure if I'd ever hear from you guys again, but the g20 deadline action has been as fun as ever. Love it. Lots of great progress on trades and it's looking like multiple teams might have a winning ticket in Fosten's big sale. If anyone is awake overnight, I'll be up crunching numbers. Scouts in the Munson Mobsters' war room are still blasting "Dem Boys Will Survive." No time is too late to email. Peace.

162

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 02:49

If anyone is interested in a fun picks-only trade before the deadline. I have two back-to-back picks in the 9th round. Willing to trade both for an 8th and 9th next year.

163

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 07:35

Trade announcement:
Guru receives from Fosten
Shane McClanahan, SP, TB

Fosten receives from Guru
2023 2nd round prospect pick

164

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 07:45

Note: I will be keeping McClanahan, and not keeping E. Hernandez. I had already marked Hernandez as a keeper on Yahoo earlier this week, and I can't figure out how to update that. Keeper thread has been updated.

165

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:07

Trade Announcement
Code Toothpick receives
Framber Valdez, SP, HOU
Fosten receives
Matt Manning, SP, DET (p)

166

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:10

Confirm 163.

167

Code Toothpick
ID: 582251810
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:18

Confirm 165

168

GO
ID: 34025146
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:43

Trade #1
Nelson Cruz to Tosh
GO acquries Tosh 2022 Prospect Pick 4.15

Trade #2
CJ Cron to GO
Thumqer acquires GO 2022 4.19 Prospect Pick

169

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:44

Confirmed

170

Species
ID: 1412613
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:56

Trade announcement:

Fosten receives:
Max Scherzer
Species Supp 4.11
Species Prospect 2.20
Species 2023 7th

Species receives:
Logan Gilbert
Alek Thomas
Nolan Gorman
Fosten Supp 5.13 (goes to Thumper)
Fosten Prospect 3.14
Fosten 2023 14th

171

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:58

Confirm 170.

172

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:16

Confirm 168

173

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:20

Congrats to all of the teams making last minute deals before the deadline! About time we had some action.....f**king lockout!

So, some administrative items as we are 50 minutes form the deadline:

-- Unbeknownst to me, when I set today as the Keeper Deadline in Yahoo, I did not realize that Yahoo meant Midnight last night. I have adjusted the Yahoo deadline to be TONIGHT so we may continue to finalize all of the trades.

-- The Trade Committee still needs time to absorb and fairly review all trades. That may (and probably should) extend beyond our Noon ET deadline.

As such, I decree the following:

1) The deadline to post keepers is still Noon ET, however trades and adjustments to posted keepers may still be made up until that deadline.

2) Please post your keepers as if the Trade Committee will approve. If the Trade Committee does not, I will give teams time to tweak / adjust their trade and still have it count for the deadline.

3) The administrative functions of Trade Committee approval and a Commissioner physically moving traded players may extend past the deadline.

4) A commissioner will announce when the traded players have been properly assigned. Please make your adjustments to your Yahoo keepers once that is done so they may run tonight at midnight.

(FYI - this isn't like ESPN where it magically appears. I still have to press a button to finalize keepers)

Let me know if you have any disagreements with, or have questions upon, the above. Thanks!

174

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:28

Trade Announcement
Bobo receives
Mitch Haniger, OF, SEA
Jake Cronenworth, 2B, SD
8.13
8.14
10.14
Fosten receives
Michael Conforto, OF, NYM
Royce Lewis, SS, MIN (p)
1.4
13.2
14.2

175

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:31

The following teams have yet to post keepers, 30 minutes before the deadeline:

WG
Fosten (still trading!)
Jon Dowd (texted)
GO
Tree

176

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:59

DK receives
Austin Meadows, OF, TB
9.13
9.14
23s12
23s13
Fosten receives
s1.14
12.5
13.5
23s8
23s9

177

DK6000
ID: 112281921
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 12:00

Confirmed.

178

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 13:59

<163> passes, all others are pending votes

179

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 17:26

Looking to move up in the supplemental draft. P 1.17, other p picks or 2023 picks are on the table for the right pick

180

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 20:56

Okay, one of the Trade Committee members is traveling and hasn't opined on the rest of the trades.

That said, everything is trending towards passing all of them. So, since I have time at this very moment I have processed all of the trades. This means:

1) Please re-state your Keepers in Yahoo
2) Please check your S-picks and P-picks. Grids should be updated.

If a veto or other action occurs, we will re-assess then.

Prospect Keeper deadline is Monday at Noon ET. I will adjust the draft grids, constitution and populate rosters with callups then.

181

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 21:05

The following teams have yet to declare their Prospect Keepers:

Guru
Jon Dowd
Tree

These are due Monday by Noon ET.

182

Fosten
ID: 10031913
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 00:55

Hey, I've got two 7th round s-picks that I don't really need this season.
If they can help someone out, I'm willing to kick the can down the road another year.
Also, if there's any Yankee fans out there, I still own the rights to Deivi Garcia.
Send me an email and we can hammer out the details pretty quickly.

183

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:03

Keepers are now finalized. The following managers did not input their keepers on Yahoo and are now required to walk naked through the streets of Kings Landing and have a wide variety of mammal feces thrown at them while a septa says "Shame.......shame":

blue hen
WG
CodeToothpick

....while Bobo input some but did not come back to note his traded players as keepers.

184

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:27

re: 180 - I cannot post/finalize keepers in Yahoo.

185

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:33

Trade
Jon Dowd receives
p4.19 and Thumper’s 2023 p2

Thumper receives
P 2.17 and Dowd’s 2023 p4

Dowd uses the 2022 p4 to keep a prospect

186

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:35

Confirmed post 185

187

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:43

Keepers and 10th Keepers Finalized and Next Steps:

As a reminder to all, and as a road map for our new managers, here are the next steps in regards to our Supplemental Draft:

- Rosters should now be finalized with every team's 9 major league keepers plus any "10th keepers" called up from the prospect list
---I make mistakes - every manager is responsible for verifying their teams for accuracy
- I have "finalized" our offline draft - which means that all of the available players for our Supplemental Draft are shown as free agents. This allows for easy searching / sorting of available players within Yahoo's Free Agent pages.
- Our Supplemental Draft is completed on Draftime. Unfortunately, Draftime is NOT up yet for Baseball. I pinged KKB Friday and he was hoping to do so over the weekend. He knows that many drafts are ramping up. Hopefully he opens it today.
- When you choose a player in Draftime, the manager is then responsible for picking up their drafted player onto their team! This is very important, as it helps all other managers have an accurate database of available players.
---- We all have phones. NO excuses for not picking up your own players. It is just discourteous. Shame!

Please reach out with any questions.

188

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 10:50

Keeper Trade Moratorium:

We have a 30-day moratorium on trading Keepers. This will be in effect until April 19th at Noon ET.

Prospects, 10th keepers, S-picks and P-picks are not impacted by this moratorium.

189

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 11:02

I am approving 185. Innocent trade of equal consideration in different years.

190

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 11:51

Prospect Draft thread open:

1) The prospects are updated in the Constitution

2) The Prospect Draft Grid is updated. Please check for accuracy! Guru will input the grid into the Prospect Draft thread when he gets a chance, but it is linked above for your reference.

3) All managers are responsible for checking:
-- AB / IP / GP limits for eligibility
-- major league rosters (10th keepers and keepers) to see who was kept (and thus ineligible)
-- remaining prospects to know who is kept (and thus ineligible).

4) Managers may make their picks starting immediately if they so desire. However, the clock doesn't start until tomorrow and nobody is under any obligation to pick until they are sure that they are ready.

5) Picks only in that thread please. Ask your questions here.

191

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:03

All trades pass. Some visibility for the league:

<155> was viewed as very imbalanced in favor of Tree by the committee (and others outside the committee expressed concern). It was also the only trade to receive a veto in response to Varsho not being kept by Bobo following the trade for a short while. The committee primarily only vetoes trades if there is evidence of collusion or an egregiously imbalanced trade, so this passes. I raise this visibility not to pick on the new guy Bobo, but only to provide clarity on how this trade and others like it are reviewed

<168> included 2 trade committee members in each trade and thus was approved by the other 4 members rather than the standard 5. If you have a concern with either deal feel free to raise to Species

192

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 14:28

Thank for you for the response and feedback.

Varsho's omission as a declared keeper on my end was not intentional at all. I am glad I was able to be shown flexibility to have him included after the Noon deadline and he wasn't noted.

193

Tree
ID: 571142323
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 21:39

Looking to pickup an upcoming prospect pick if anyone is selling..

194

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 22:19

I am also looking to move up, and have 1.15 in exchange.

195

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 00:27

Offering up S picks in round 6 or later in exchange for late P picks.

196

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 08:35

I have p1.17, p2.16, p2.17 on the table early for supp picks. Only interested in rounds 1-4. A p2>s3 to level set.

197

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 10:40

G20:

I have 'opened' the Supplemental Draft in Draftime solely for the purposes of reviewing:

1) Your keepers
2) Your 10th keepers (entered as "Replacement Pick Keepers", taking the place of your last pick(s))
3) Your picks

- Keepers were entered by Lyman last night. THANK YOU!
- I entered 10th keepers this morning as replacements for your last picks in the Supp Draft
- I entered the entire draft pick-by-pick because there are so many trades

So, I make mistakes. It is easier for 20 people to check their own than for 1 or 2 dudes checking 20. Managers are responsible for pointing out any errors. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

I will allow Supplemental Draft picks off the clock once the Prospect Draft is finished.

Happy drafting, and good luck!

198

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 13:04

197: Sadly, Guru found a bit of a major error in the grid. When I assessed demerits and set up the initial grid, it appears I only applied the demerits to rounds 1 through 7 of the draft. It was a total oversight and I should have applied it to the rest.

I am out of pocket today so will need some time to try to straighten it out.......but basically whatever slot you were in during rounds 1 - 7 should equally apply to rounds 8 - 14.

In other nuances, Dustin May for some reason (DK's guess - he was out with TJ last year) isn't in Draftime so isn't on DK's Draftime roster. Anthony Volpe also is not in Draftime. Both players are accurately on our respective Yahoo teams.

200

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:00

Trade

DK Receives p1.12, s14.14, s14.05, s12.17

Jon Dowd receives p1.17, s5.14. Condition: If Jon Dowd's pre-listed prospect to DK is picked before 1.17, the 5.14 becomes 4.14

Thumper Receives s 2.14, s.16

201

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:01

200: Approved

202

Jon Dowd
ID: 360361113
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:02

Re: 200 and 201: Meant confirmed, I am not part of the trade counsel and thus am an idiot. Sorry

203

Thumqer
ID: 410122612
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:03

Typo in <200>
Thumper Receives s 2.14, s2.16

204

DK6000
ID: 430411110
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 16:47

Confirmed

205

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 18:06

I am still looking for an upcoming prospect pick if anyone is trading.

206

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 18:25

If DK just traded for p1.12, then why has he not made the pick? That pick was already on the clock when he posted (above) at 4:47pm.

207

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 19:01

Doesn’t the trade need to be approved first?

208

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 19:04

Sorry to complain, and I know we're currently waiting on a trade approval to move forward, but even with the headstart the pace of the prospect draft is brutal. We have a supplemental draft starting in 41 hours and we have 54 prospect picks yet to make. Thus far we've made 11 picks in about 30 hours. At this pace we'll need until next Monday just to finish the Prospect Draft. That's NOT hyperbole. Would be really nice if those who can't be bothered to share their phone numbers in order to receive a simple text would reconsider that personal policy so that one of the other 19 members of the league could text and let you know your pick is up. The bonus is that you don't have to watch the boards all day. Someone will alert you.

209

DK6000
ID: 430411110
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 19:07

I have my pick ready to go, have been waiting for the trade to be approved before posting.

210

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 19:50

Perhaps I'm misrememberng, but...
I thought that our practice was that in-draft trades were supposed to be treated as though they were instantly approved, just to avoid delays like this.

211

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 19:59

That’s on me- I told DK to hold on for approval. Just told him to go ahead. Sorry folks

212

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 20:01

We’ve always just made the pick. Definitely think that should be the case especially this year.

213

Matt G
ID: 576318
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 20:17

Been waiting all day to make my pick; 1/2 the league has my number as well and here is my email which will also alert my phone.

214

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 20:40

Does someone know DK’s pick? If so, just post it for him. It’s been 6+ hours since our last pick.

215

DK6000
ID: 430411110
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 20:45

Apologies guys, was told to wait to post until the trade was approved. Pick was just posted.

216

darkside
ID: 532481921
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 21:35

Thanks for all the support from Species and the trade committee and Lyman and everyone else making this happen! It's a big lift and I appreciate that I don't have to do anything other than show up and participate. Many thanks, all. Happy drafting and good luck!

217

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Tue, Mar 22, 2022, 23:29

Echo Darkside. Especially about Species, he makes this league great.

218

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 06:56

Agreed. Thanks especially to Species for all he does.

<200> Dowd got his prospect, so he gets 5.14

219

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 09:27

Open to trading down one of my upcoming P picks for S picks. Text me.

220

Matt G
ID: 576318
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 09:33

!!!!Trade Announcement!!!!

WG Receives:
Prospect pick 2.04
Supplemental Pick 3.04
Supplemental Pick 4.04

MattG Receives:
Prospect pick 1.19
Supplemental pick 8.08
Supplemental pick 8.18

221

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 09:33

confirmed

222

Matt G
ID: 576318
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 09:38

making my P pick now.

223

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 10:04

Open to moving down from 2.04 also.

224

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 10:15

Willing to trade one or both of my back to back p2’s for early supplemental picks

225

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 10:27

198: So, the process of 'trading' picks to correct the seeding of rounds 8 - 14 is complete in both Draftime and in the Supplemental Grid.

Comments:

1) This involved moving DonkeyKong's picks, including those traded to others, down from slot #5 to slot #14.
- DK's 11.05 is forfeited for 10th keepering Jo Adell....so I didn't move it. Everyone else moves up by default, so if you see yourself in a spot that doesn't jibe with the grid in round 11, it's moot.
- taxman (10), Fosten (12) and Thumper (14) were correspondingly moved down to slot 14 in those rounds
- Fosten also owns DK's 13, but that is forfeited for a 10th keeper, so I did not adjust that in Draftime. Everyone else moves up so you are basically in the spot you should be.
- In the 14th, darkside and bmd give up their 14ths so I didn't move them up which might make the seeding look weird, but it turns out the same.

2) This process included correcting Guru and youngroman, who were initially tied but roman had a demerit so the tie was broken that way and Guru awarded the higher slot.

Hopefully all is accurate. Please advise of any other errors.

226

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 10:41

220 approved and input in Grid and Draftime

227

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 11:30

[225] Species - thanks for quickly fixing this.

Looking at Draftime, it still looks like I am dropping from the 8 slot to the 9 slot starting in round 8 and thereafter. Not a big deal that late in the draft, but is that really correct?

228

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 12:10

It looks like rounds 11 and 13 were not changed? Is that because of the skipped pick?

229

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 20:41

TRADE

DK receives
P2.17, S11.17, s10.17

Thumper receives
S3.14, s4.14

230

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 20:58

I’ve got 3.5 coming up. Would like to trade it for S picks in 2022 or 23 or p picks in 2023.

231

DK6000
ID: 53202320
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 21:00

229 is confirmed

232

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 23, 2022, 21:08

229: Approved and updated in grid/Draftime

233

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 00:53

TRADE

WG gets
p2.20, s7.13, Fosten's 2023 s10

Fosten gets
p3.02, s10.12, WG's 2023 s7

234

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 00:54

In addition to trading away P for S, I’m looking to trade for 2023 S and P picks. Any of my 2022 picks are on the table for similar value.

235

Fosten
ID: 26282318
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 00:54

Confirmed.

236

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 12:34

FROM THE TREASURER:

Time to collect dues for the prize pool for 2022

For those in the pool, the annual charge is $15. The pool is distributed to the top 6 in the standings. Typically, the winner gets around $100, and 6th place gets $15, with the scale grading in between. Final determination of amounts depends on the number participating in the pool each year.

New teams in the league may wait one year before deciding to be in the pool. Of course, if you defer in your first year, you are ineligible for a prize in your first year. Starting in year #2, you must decide whether to be in or out. If you are in, you must remain in the pool each year going forward. If you ever decide to opt out in the future, you may no longer re-enter the pool.

Blue Hen is out of the pool.

Codetoothpick, Donkey Kong, and Jon Dowd must decide this year whether they want to be in or out (They each deferred in their first year).

The following new managers have the option to join this year, or to defer the decision until 2023:
Bobo, Taxman

Some people have funds on account (from previous winnings) to cover their $15 dues for this year.

The following managers have enough funds on account to fully cover dues for 2022: .
BMD, Great One, Species, Thumqer

Tosh has $5.00 on account, so owes only $10.00

Everyone else owes $15

If you think I have missed funds on account for you, please let me know, Otherwise, you may pay in one of these three ways:

PAYPAL: send to davehall@rotoguru2.com. (Recipient will probably appear as Uncommon Cents LLC.) Designate this as “send money to friends and family”, and mark the payment only as "G20 baseball"

VENMO: I also have Venmo account now. If you want to pay by Venmo, let me know.

CHECK via SNAIL MAIL: check can be sent to the address listed at the bottom of this page:
http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html
If you snail mail, please tell me in advance so that I can mark you as tentatively paid until the check arrives.

Payments are due NOW. Please pay promptly so I don’t have to keep pestering you.

237

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 12:58

P3.13 OTB, either for a trade down + S or future P + S.

238

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 13:11

233 approved and processed in Grid and Draftime.

Originally the Supplemental Draft was going to be open for business without a clock. We have sped up our progress on the Prospect Draft, but I am asking Lyman to hold off until the Prospect Draft is over.

My plan would basically be to Open the Supplemental Draft without a clock upon the end of the Prospect Draft.......and start the clock roughly 24 hours later (or, if we finish in the evening, start the clock 36 hours-ish after that / aka in the morning).

Please advise if this thinking doesn't give you enough time to get your Supplemental Draft board up and running.

239

taxman
ID: 262341418
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 14:03

re: 236

I defer

240

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 16:40

TRADE

Thumper gets p3.13 and s13.13
WG gets Thumper's 2023 p3 and s7.17

241

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 17:28

Confirmed

242

darkside
ID: 02462122
Thu, Mar 24, 2022, 21:33

re: 238…works for me

243

GO
ID: 35231211
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 08:57

Beer me!

244

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 10:34

While waiting with baited breath for the final pick, let me congratulate everyone on a fantastic Prospect Draft! After a slow start, we picked up the pace and got things done. Well done -- lots of great picks -- but when did Guru join the Rays front office, because he LOVES him some Tampa prospects!!

With that, I now declare the Supplemental Draft OPEN without a clock for 24 hours, or 1 full round, whichever comes first.

As a reminder to all, and to help our new managers, here are the important logistics to be aware of:

- Draftime is the domain to make our picks
- We have a 3 hour clock! Use your queues!!
- Players must be in the Yahoo pool to be eligible to be drafted (even if they show available in Draftime)
- We make all non-keeper players free agents in Yahoo to act as a helpful guide / database for the Supplemental Draft
- Managers are to pick up their own Supplemental draftees from the Yahoo database and add them to their team
--- this keeps the integrity of the players shown in Yahoo as pure as we can
- A player IN Yahoo but not noted in Draftime may be drafted by using the free form player entry feature
- HOWEVER, there are discrepancies between Yahoo and Draftime -- Draftime is the overriding platform
--- this relates most specifically to PROSPECTS. Prospects are "removed" from the Draftime database to the extent that our prospects are IN the Draftime database to begin with
--- example - Arizona DH Seth Beer is a strong candidate to make the Opening Day roster as a starting player. However, Great One drafted him in the Prospect Draft. If you search for Seth Beer in Draftime, he will show as "REMOVED" despite still being in the Yahoo database
--- managers need to self-filter prospects shown available in Yahoo as they build their queues and draft boards

Good luck and happy drafting! Hit me up via email or text, or post here with any questions.

245

WG
ID: 89402220
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 13:44

TRADE

WG gets 1.08 and 12.08
Darkside gets 1.12 and 7.12

246

darkside
ID: 02462122
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 13:45

Confirmed

247

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 13:56

245: approved and processed

248

darkside
ID: 532481921
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 15:47

TRADE

blue hen gets 1.12 and 11.09
darkside gets 2.05 and 4.05

249

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 15:48

Confirmed.

250

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 16:30

Notice: I am looking to trade down some of my 6 picks in rounds 3-4-5 for 13th and 14th rounders.

What I want:
- 2022 second rounders
- 2023 early rounders
- 2023 prospect picks
- Joey Gallo

251

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 19:38

248 was processed, but when keepers and 10th keepers are finalized in Draftime, it locks them and I cannot adjust it. Sorry bh, but I can't adjust Josiah Gray out of the spot he was locked in when keepers were finalized.

I have turned on the 3 hour clock with a pause from Midnight to 9:00am ET daily. Since we got through a full round, and we are a day behind, it makes sense to go ahead and get the clock rolling.

Happy drafting!

252

GO
ID: 34025146
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:39

So proud I made the Species write up!

253

Matt G
ID: 576318
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:40

Trade Announcement!!

MattG Receives:

s3.05
s3.20
s7.05
2023 Round 8 supplemental pick from BlueHen

BlueHen receives
s2.04
s8.18
s12.04
2023 Round 5 supplemental Pick from MattG

254

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:41

Confirmed

255

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Mar 25, 2022, 22:54

253: approved and processed. The 2023 picks will need to be added to the constitution

256

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 11:17

From the treasurer:
Thanks to most of you for paying your dues very promptly.

The only managers I have yet to hear from are:
Nerfherders
Tree
codetoothpick

Also, Bobo has not yet responded. If I do not hear from him, I will assume he is deferring his option to join the pool until 2023.

See post 236 for details.

257

Jon Dowd
ID: 192322010
Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 14:23

Trade: Blue Hen sends Jon Dowd his 2022 6.05 for Dowd’s 14.03. A corresponding 2023 swap is also in agreement with JD sending his 2023 6th rounder to BH for his 14th

258

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 14:24

Confirmed.

259

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Mar 26, 2022, 15:40

257: approved and processed. It will need to be added to the constitution as well

260

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 11:16

I’m picking C/DH Gary Sanchez with the pick I have between rounds 3/4. Not sure how to remove him from Drafttime

261

beastiemiked
ID: 2410291117
Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 15:55

Pick up your players in Yahoo.

262

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Sun, Mar 27, 2022, 16:00

Re: 256

I will elect to defer this year.

263

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 11:30

I'm in the money race. i will pay up.

264

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 15:10

TRADE

WG gets 6.16, 7.03, Fosten's 2023 s9, s11
Fosten gets 12.12, 14.20, WG's 2023 s5, s8

265

Fosten
ID: 142371216
Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 15:46

Confirmed.

266

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Tue, Mar 29, 2022, 16:23

processed 264. I got debug errors in the process so pls let me know if there is an issue with your picks. Future picks to be added to the constitution

267

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 13:39

TRADE

BH gets Victor Robles and WG's best 2023 s9 (I currently have my own plus Fosten's from trade in 264)

WG gets 8.05 and BH's (worst if he has more than one) 2023 s7.

268

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 15:45

Confirm 267

269

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 19:29

Processed 267

270

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 10:52

any reason the draft is stopped?

271

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 11:15

270: Yes

Tosh drafted Robert Suarez (possible Padre closer) who is a protected prospect. Not fully his fault -- either Draftime added Suarez to the database after me/Lyman removed all of the prospects (most likely) or we just missed removing him from the draft.

So, I paused to make the correction, with Tosh did via text.

272

GO
ID: 35231211
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:05

I say we switch to Saves/Holds today, cause the Saves category sucks. Why has nobody thought of this?!

273

Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:12

272 finally!

274

Code Toothpick
ID: 49350113
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:50

Just paid dues via PayPal should come through via ilooktothesky@msn.com

275

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Apr 01, 2022, 14:58

[263] Everyone in the pool has now paid except for Tree.

276

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 13:48

There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours.

Jon Dowd has FAR exceeded this time (19:11:5O) with back to back time outs before this current pick.

Can we please skip him and move forward with this thing...

277

darkside
ID: 5534213
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 14:05

I’m done drafting, but support Tosh’s suggestion. It’s crazy how long the last few rounds have taken (but I haven’t looked at data, just a feeling…). Gotta keep this thing going!

278

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 14:12

codetoothpick has also exceeded the limit (14:32:08), and is upcoming in 7 picks.

279

taxman
ID: 262341418
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 15:19

I am kind of a newby ... but doesn't this venerable league have a method of dealing with MIA draft managers (Dowd and toothpick of late)??

280

Species
ID: 1412613
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 16:37

Dowd and Code will be skipped as their remaining picks come up. They can make them up at any time while the draft is still open.

Once the draft is over, if they did not make their draft picks they will have to go to the wire along with everyone else.

281

darkside
ID: 5534213
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 17:00

Thanks, Species! Watching all the manual intervention you and the other commishes have to manage makes me even more thankful it’s not my responsibility. Thanks for doing work that allows the rest of us to enjoy this hobby!

282

Species
ID: 1412613
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 20:55

Speaking of 280: the use of draft queues can mitigate this issue. Use them! :)

283

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 21:52

So youngroman auto-picked the same owned prospect that I did earlier ... Robert Suarez from SD. He was the last player in the prospect draft.

Apparently after I picked him ... he did not get removed from the database.

What to do??

284

Species
ID: 1412613
Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 22:33

283: Ugh. Well, I have now removed him.

The draft continues. While I wish I had corrected it earlier, ultimately this error is on him. We continue.

285

youngroman
ID: 515013
Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 03:51

my bad. I checked lots if other players if they are prospects, but for whatever reason did not do it for Suarez. no harm done.

286

Lyman
ID: 206491223
Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 04:37

Complete updated alphabetical list of prospects posted on the messageboard at the Yahoo league page. No picky uppy of those guys!

287

Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 21:17

Great draft everyone. Except for you slow guys, people who picked up prospects, and people who snaked my picks. Just kidding, except for the third one. Definitely happened a lot.

Want to put two proposals on the table.

1. Finishers 7-12 get 2 balls and finishers 13-20 get 3 balls, and all 14 non-money slots are determined by lottery for all rounds (you get that slot for all 14 rounds), plus all p draft. I’d love to start this for the 2023 draft but understand if people want 2024.

2. Moratorium end date is changed to Opening Day, instead of 30 days after keepers.

288

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 22:57

We have re-set the league and are entering all the draft picks, so that waivers claims can be made.

There are a couple of anomalies in the space-time continuum that we are attempting to resolve. You'll be alerted when the league has been re-started.

I'd like to echo BH in thanking everyone for a great draft. But the real stars are the Commishes that manage Draftime. It's a great site, but the admin tools are a bit dated. So when you knuckleheads [said with love] make random draft pick trades in the middle of the draft ... those Commishes were on it! Manually processing each and every trade. So thanks guys!!

289

Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Sun, Apr 03, 2022, 23:33

The league has been activated. The waiver order will be reset correctly soon.

Like I said in the previous post, the admin tools in Draftime are someone dated, and there were A LOT of trades to try and process. In addition to eliminating all the prospects one by one. So mistakes can happen. I certainly don't hold Species responsible, since everyone was told to check your draft list before we started. Those of you that are short a player this year will probably count your picks in 2023. :)

Jon Dowd drafted 24 players. David Peralta has been returned to the FA pool.

Species drafted 24 players. Bradley Zimmer has been returned to the FA pool.

Taxman drafted 22 players. Oops.

Donkey Kong drafted 22 players. Oops.

Good luck to everyone! May none of your players end up on the COVID list.

290

Species
SuperDude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 10:39

2022 S-Draft pick trades for posterity before they are deleted from the Constitution:

These managers have had their 2022 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
7-25-19 Thumper receives Meatwads’ 2nd for his 14th (Closers, Segura)
8-01-19 Fosten receives Meatwads’ 6th and 7th for his 11th and 12th (Hand/Odorizzi)
8-06-19 blue hen receives Meatwads’ 3rd for his last (LeClerc)
8-11-19 blue hen receives Species’ 5th for his 9th (Hamels)
8-16-19 bmd receives Greggo’s 4th for his 9th (A. Reyes)
8-22-19 Thumper receives Meatwads’ 3rd for his 13th (Melancon/Yarbrough)
8-23-19 Jon Dowd receives Meatwads’ 1st for his last (W. Smith/Choo)
8-26-19 youngroman receives Species’ 6th for his 9th (Calhoun)
8-27-19 Thumper receives Species’ 5th for his 8th (Bassitt)
8-27-19 bmd receives Meatwads’ 4th for his last (Bradley)
1-20-20 bmd receives Lyman’s 6th for his 13th (J. Rodriguez)
3-04-20 DonkeyKong receives Jon Dowd’s 2nd for his 10th (2020 s-picks)
3-08-21 bmd receives Species 1st and 3rd for his 8th and 9th (2021 s-picks)
3-11-21 Fosten receives Jon Dowd’s 8th for his 14th (Gilbert / Wheeler, 21 s-picks)
3-11-21 Fosten receives WG’s 8th and 9th for his 13 and last (2021 s-picks)
3-22-21 DonkeyKong receives Thumper’s 9th for his 14th (Bush, 21 pick)
4-19-21 Lyman receives bmd’s 1st for his 9th (McGee)
5-07-21 Jon Dowd receives Thumpers 1st for his 7th (W. Smith, C. Taylor)
5-12-21 Jon Dowd receives WG’s 3rd for his 9th (Y. Garcia / G. Kirby)
5-23-21 blue hen receives bmd’s 4th for his 14th (Belt)
5-28-21 VampireWeekend receives Species’ 2nd for his 8th (Pineda)
6-06-21 blue hen receives Tosh’s 7th for his 11th (Bubic)
5-12-21 Lyman receives GO’s 1st for his 14th (Voit/Ray)
6-27-21 WG receives Thumper’s 3rd for his 9th (Y. Garcia)
7-05-21 Lyman receives Thumper’s 3rd (via WG) for his 5th (Sanchez/Duvall)
7-16-21 Jon Dowd receives GO’s 3rd for his 11th (Crawford)
8-05-21 Jon Dowd receives bmd’s highest 4th for his 12th
8-13-21 Lyman receives Tree’s 3rd for his 13th (Means. J. Hernandez)
8-16-21 WG receives Species’ 3rd (via bmd) for his 14th (Canha)
8-25-21 WG receives Tree’s 8th for his 13th (Toro)
8-25-21 blue hen receives bmd’s 3rd for his 12th (Nimmo)
8-26-21 Jon Dowd receives Lyman’s 5th (via bmd) for his 8th (K. Seager)
8-26-21 Lyman receives WG’s 5th for his 8th (E. Hernandez)
3-20-22 Fosten receives Species’ 4.12 for his 5.14 (Scherzer / Gilbert + prospects)
—5.14 to Thumper to complete trade from 8-27-19
3-20-22 Tree receives Bobo’s 4.02 for his 5.18 (Riley / Varsho + Garcia)
3-20-22 Fosten receives Bobo’s 1.04, 13.02 and 14.02 for his 8.13, 8.14 and 10.14 (Cronenworth/Haniger)
3-20-22 Fosten receives DK’s 1.14, 12.05 and 13.05 for his 9.13 and 9.14 (Meadows, ‘23 s-picks)
3-22-22 Thumper receives 2.14 and 2.16, Dowd receives 5.14, DK receives 12.17, 14.05 and 14.14 (P-picks)
3-23-22 WG receives Matt G’s 3.04 and 4.04 for his 8.08 and 8.18 (P-pick swap)
3-23-22 Thumper receives DK’s 3.14 and 4.14 for his 10.17 and 11.17 (P-pick)
3-23-22 WG receives Fosten’s 7.13 for his 10.12 (‘23 S-pick, P-pick swap)
3-25-22 WG receives 1.08 and 12.08 from darkside for his 1.12 and 7.12
3-25-22 blue hen receives Matt G’s 2.04, 8.18 and 12.04 for his 3.05, 3.20 and 7.05 (plus ‘23 s-pick)

3-26-22 Jon Dowd receives blue hen’s 6.05 for his 14.03 (‘23 S-pick swap)

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SuperDude
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Mon, Apr 04, 2022, 10:49

289: THANK YOU TOSH for your work on re-entering the draft. This is a necessary repeat step in order to put all players on waivers since we use live rosters during the S-draft.

THANK YOU LYMAN for a TON of help with Draftime as we led up to the S-Draft.

THANK YOU THUMPER and any other Draftime Admins who stepped up while I was away to process in-draft pick trades so the draft may move on.

I do apologize to the league for what turned out to be a few more loose ends / errors than normal. I do the best I can, but I also do all of this during sometimes short windows between personal and professional priorities.

....this includes me screwing up my own Draftime. I neglected to replace Alek Thomas for my 14th round pick. I am not sure how the other teams' situations - Dowd with 24, and two teams with 22 - got screwy, but they did.

Please check your rosters and advise of any correctable errors. Great job on the Draft!

We are good to go for the regular season! Waivers have been updated. Remember, the trade moratorium is still in effect. You can make other trades, call up prospects and make your pickups.

Best of luck. A new in-season thread will be started shortly.

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