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| Posted by: Seanfeld
- [578432719] Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 22:08
1.1 seanfeld - ARod
1.2 dan/Twarpy - RJ
1.3 stealth - Pedro
1.4 smallwhirled - Helton
1.5 EH - Bonds
1.6 Code Cracker - Sosa
1.7 Juxtapoz - Ichiro
1.8 Rogue - Schilling
1.9 wiggs - Vlad
1.10 Rabid - Piazza
1.11 bmd - IRod
1.12 Mikel - Chipper
1.13 Fosten - Jeter
1.14 Mattngly - Manny
2.1 Mattngly - Moose
2.2 Fosten - Alomar
2.3 Mikel - Giambi
2.4 bmd - Pujols
2.5 Rabid - Bagwell
2.6 wiggs - Maddux
2.7 Rogue - Morris
2.8 Juxtapoz - Nomar
2.9 Code Cracker - Hudson
2.10 EH - Kendall
2.11 smallwhirled - Glaus
2.12 stealth - JuanGone
2.13 dan/Twarpy - Rivera
2.14 seanfeld - Magglio
3.1 seanfeld - SGreen
3.2 dan/Twarpy - Abreu
3.3 stealth - Tejada
3.4 smallwhirled - KBrown
3.5 EH - Sheffield
3.6 Code Cracker - Kent
3.7 Juxtapoz - LGonzo
3.8 Rogue - Vazquez
3.9 wiggs - Garcia
3.10 Rabid - Giles
3.11 bmd - Zito
3.12 Mikel - Clemens
3.13 Fosten - Delgado
3.14 Mattngly - Posada
4.1 Mattngly - Sasaki
4.2 Fosten - Oswalt
4.3 Mikel - Berkman
4.4 bmd - Griffey
4.5 Rabid - Soriano
4.6 wiggs - Hoffman
4.7 Rogue - Mulder
4.8 Juxtapoz - Rolen
4.9 Code Cracker - LoDuca
4.10 EH - Nevin
4.11 smallwhirled - Andruw
4.12 stealth - LWalker
4.13 dan/Twarpy - Klesko
4.14 seanfeld - Rollins
5.1 seanfeld - Nen
5.2 dan/Twarpy - Kile
5.3 stealth - Boone
5.4 smallwhirled - Aurillia
5.5 EH - Wood
5.6 Code Cracker - Foulke
5.7 Juxtapoz - Beckett
5.8 Rogue - Palmeiro
5.9 wiggs - Percival
5.10 Rabid - Alou
5.11 bmd - Wagner
5.12 Mikel - Drew
5.13 Fosten - Benitez
5.14 Mattngly - Guzman
6.1 Mattngly - AramisR
6.2 Fosten - Dunn
6.3 Mikel - ROritz
6.4 bmd - Izzy
6.5 Rabid - Leiber
6.6 wiggs - Park
6.7 Rogue - Chavez
6.8 Juxtapoz - Leiter
6.9 Code Cracker - Koskie
6.10 EH - Fonzie
6.11 smallwhirled - Floyd
6.12 stealth - Glavine
6.13 dan/Twarpy - Vidro
6.14 seanfeld - FThomas
7.1 seanfeld - Nomo
7.2 dan/Twarpy - Bernie
7.3 stealth - Hall
7.4 smallwhirled - Smoltz
7.5 EH - Colon
7.6 Code Cracker - Furcal
7.7 Juxtapoz - Sweeney
7.8 Rogue - MoVaughn
7.9 wiggs - Pierre
7.10 Rabid - W. Miller
7.11 bmd - Thome
7.12 Mikel - C.C.
7.13 Fosten - Cedeno
7.14 Mattngly - Ortiz
8.1 Mattngly - Pena
8.2 Fosten - Durham
8.3 Mikel - MattA
8.4 bmd - Biggio
8.5 Rabid - Cirrilo
8.6 wiggs - Castillo
8.7 Rogue - Beltran
8.8 Juxtapoz - Buehrle
8.9 Code Cracker - Cameron
8.10 EH - Weaver
8.11 smallwhirled - Pettitte
8.12 stealth - Koch
8.13 dan/Twarpy - Beltre
8.14 seanfeld - Erstad
9.1 seanfeld - Milton
9.2 dan/Twarpy - Womack
9.3 stealth - Sexson
9.4 smallwhirled - Catalanto
9.5 EH - Stewart
9.6 Code Cracker - Radke
9.7 Juxtapoz - Wickman
9.8 Rogue - Urbina
9.9 wiggs - Damon
9.10 Rabid - Mesa
9.11 bmd - Wilson
9.12 Mikel - Cabrera
9.13 Fosten - Ensberg
9.14 Mattngly - Pineiro
10.1 Mattngly - Escobar
10.2 Fosten - Smith
10.3 Mikel - Hidalgo
10.4 bmd - Cruz Jr.
10.5 Rabid - Edmonds
10.6 wiggs - Young
10.7 Rogue - Zimmerman
10.8 Juxtapoz - Burroughs
10.9 Code Cracker - Mays
10.10 EH - Gordon
10.11 smallwhirled - Moyer
10.12 stealth - Kim
10.13 dan/Twarpy - Halladay
10.14 seanfeld - Penny
11.1 seanfeld - Graves
11.2 dan/Twarpy - Dempster
11.3 stealth - ArmasJr
11.4 smallwhirled - Appier
11.5 EH - Jenkins
11.6 Code Cracker - Burnitz
11.7 Juxtapoz - Dye
11.8 Rogue - Mondesi
11.9 wiggs - Sele
11.10 Rabid - Wolf
11.11 bmd - Renteria
11.12 Mikel - Lee
11.13 Fosten - Burrell
11.14 Mattngly - Lidle
12.1 Mattngly - Astacio
12.2 Fosten - Lieberthal
12.3 Mikel - Washburn
12.4 bmd - Ankiel
12.5 Rabid - Uribe
12.6 wiggs - EdgarM
12.7 Rogue - Alfonseca
12.8 Juxtapoz - RoHernandez
12.9 Code Cracker - WoodyW
12.10 EH - Konerko
12.11 smallwhirled - GAnderson
12.12 stealth - Lowell
12.13 dan/Twarpy - BJordan
12.14 seanfeld - Fick
13.1 seanfeld - DYoung
13.2 dan/Twarpy - Javy
13.3 stealth - Everett
13.4 smallwhirled - MiWilliams
13.5 EH - Lawton
13.6 Code Cracker - McGriff
13.7 Juxtapoz - Sheets
13.8 Rogue - CaHernandez
13.9 wiggs - Casey
13.10 Rabid - CFox
13.11 bmd - D'Amico
13.12 Mikel - CJ
13.13 Fosten - JuanCruz
13.14 Mattngly - Nixon
14.1 Mattngly - Ward
14.2 Fosten - Duckworth
14.3 Mikel - Carpenter
14.4 bmd - Person
14.5 Rabid - MBatista
14.6 wiggs - McLemore
14.7 Rogue - Ishii
14.8 Juxtapoz - Vina
14.9 Code Cracker - Schmidt
14.10 EH - TWalker
14.11 smallwhirled - Marquis
14.12 stealth - Baez
14.13 dan/Twarpy - A.J.
14.14 seanfeld - Millwood
15.1 seanfeld - RaHernandez
15.2 dan/Twarpy - Ritchie
15.3 stealth - Blalock
15.4 smallwhirled - Lowe
15.5 EH - Meluskey
15.6 Code Cracker - Rivas
15.7 Juxtapoz - Varitek
15.8 Rogue - Valentin
15.9 wiggs - Petrick
15.10 Rabid - TClark
15.11 bmd - Hampton
15.12 Mikel - Burkett
15.13 Fosten - VWells
15.14 Mattngly - BLawrence
16.1 Mattngly - KMillar
16.2 Fosten - Shaw
16.3 Mikel - Strickland
16.4 bmd - Higginson
16.5 Rabid - Tyner
16.6 wiggs - Bere
16.7 Rogue - Pavano
16.8 Juxtapoz - Estes
16.9 Code Cracker - Herges
16.10 EH - Guardado
16.11 smallwhirled - Hollandsworth
16.12 stealth - DWells
16.13 dan/Twarpy - Reed
16.14 seanfeld - MGiles
17.1 seanfeld - Sparks
17.2 dan/Twarpy - Fullmer
17.3 stealth - RWhite
17.4 smallwhirled - Kapler
17.5 EH - Redman
17.6 Code Cracker - Wooten
17.7 Juxtapoz - Larkin
17.8 Rogue - Salmon
17.9 wiggs - BDavis
17.10 Rabid - ALopez
17.11 bmd - MAnderson
17.12 Mikel - Trachsel
17.13 Fosten - Kearns
17.14 Mattngly - WikiG
18.1 Mattngly - RaOrtiz
18.2 Fosten - Farnsworth
18.3 Mikel - Eckstein
18.4 bmd - Tatis
18.5 Rabid - Reese
18.6 wiggs - Helling
18.7 Rogue - Dotel
18.8 Juxtapoz - TinoM
18.9 Code Cracker - DBautista
18.10 EH - TLee
18.11 smallwhirled - WRoberts
18.12 stealth - Santiago
18.13 dan/Twarpy - Long
18.14 seanfeld - Knoblauch
19.1 seanfeld - TBatista
19.2 dan/Twarpy - Jerry Hairston Jr.
19.3 stealth - Torii Hunter
19.4 smallwhirled - Delino DeShields
19.5 EH - Alex Gonzalez
19.6 Code Cracker - Jeff Conine
19.7 Juxtapoz - Ben Grieve
19.8 Rogue - D'Angelo Jiminez
19.9 wiggs - Reggie Sanders
19.10 Rabid - Glendon Rusch
19.11 bmd - Paul Wilson
19.12 Mikel - Bubba Trammell
19.13 Fosten - Benji Molina
19.14 Mattngly - Ellis Burks
20.1 Mattngly - Todd Zeile
20.2 Fosten - Nick Johnson
20.3 Mikel - Steve Cox
20.4 bmd - Todd Hundley
20.5 Rabid - Robin Ventura
20.6 wiggs - Matt Mantei
20.7 Rogue - Doug Glanville
20.8 Juxtapoz - Mark Quinn
20.9 Code Cracker - Andy Ashby
20.10 EH - Dave Veres
20.11 smallwhirled - Damian Miller
20.12 stealth - Jose Hernandez
20.13 dan/Twarpy - Marty Cordova
20.14 seanfeld - Doug Mientkiewicz
21.1 seanfeld - Dave Justice
21.2 dan/Twarpy - Ricky Guittierez
21.3 stealth - Scott Schoeneweis
21.4 smallwhirled - Einar Diaz
21.5 EH - Bobby Hill
21.6 Code Cracker - Jeremy Giambi
21.7 Juxtapoz - Brent Abernathy
21.8 Rogue - Michael Barrett
21.9 wiggs - Shane Reynolds
21.10 Rabid - Dustin Hermanson
21.11 bmd - Corey Patterson
21.12 Mikel - A.J. Pierzynski
21.13 Fosten - Michael Cuddyer
21.14 Mattngly - Felipe Lopez
22.1 Mattngly - Eric Hiljus
22.2 Fosten - Nick Neugebauer
22.3 Mikel - Darrin Fletcher
22.4 bmd - Lee Stevens
22.5 Rabid - Mark Kotsay
22.6 wiggs - Steve Finly
22.7 Rogue - Ramon Vazquez
22.8 Juxtapoz - Marlon Byrd
22.9 Code Cracker - Felix Rodriguez
22.10 EH - Brian Tollberg
22.11 smallwhirled - John Rocker
22.12 stealth - Kenny Lofton
22.13 dan/Twarpy - Brad Ausmus
22.14 seanfeld - Luke Prokopec
23.1 seanfeld - Jay Gibbons
23.2 dan/Twarpy -
23.3 stealth -
23.4 smallwhirled -
23.5 EH -
23.6 Code Cracker -
23.7 Juxtapoz -
23.8 Rogue -
23.9 wiggs -
23.10 Rabid -
23.11 bmd -
23.12 Mikel -
23.13 Fosten -
23.14 Mattngly -
24.1 Mattngly -
24.2 Fosten -
24.3 Mikel -
24.4 bmd -
24.5 Rabid -
24.6 wiggs -
24.7 Rogue -
24.8 Juxtapoz -
24.9 Code Cracker -
24.10 EH -
24.11 smallwhirled -
24.12 stealth -
24.13 dan/Twarpy -
24.14 seanfeld -
My pick was Jay Gibbons |
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ID: 23181213
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:01
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already taken by MITH 7.14
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| | | 5 | Dan
ID: 0229323
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:05
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23.2 Homer Bush
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ID: 29161120
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:16
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23.3 John Olerud
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ID: 23181213
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:21
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Smallwhirled picks:
23.4 Omar Vizquel
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| | | 8 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 3711402623
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:26
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Going to bed. I'll be on again at 9am.
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| | | 9 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:26
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23.5 R Branyan
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ID: 29161120
Mon, Mar 04, 2002, 23:26
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holy cow, should I stay up?
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Leader
ID: 21752128
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 07:15
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23.6 Aaron Boone
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ID: 23181213
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 10:29
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23.7 Arthur Rhodes
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ID: 2523057
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 14:26
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Not sure if he's been picked or not,
23.8 David Ortiz
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ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:30
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23.9 Shawn Burroughs
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ID: 17414316
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:31
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gone 10.8
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ID: 1832399
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:33
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Burroughs taken 10.8
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ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:33
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dam, i did a search for him and he didnt come up
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ID: 560202915
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 15:35
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23.9 Kris Benson
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ID: 3281648
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 16:00
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23.10 Braden Looper
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ID: 17414316
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 16:06
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23.11 Jeffrey Hammonds
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ID: 5065547
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 21:25
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23.12 Ron Belliard
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ID: 578432719
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 21:33
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23.13 Jamey Wright
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ID: 3711402623
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 21:44
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23.14 Jeff Suppan
24.01 Todd Stottlemeyer
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ID: 578432719
Tue, Mar 05, 2002, 22:27
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24.2 Matt Clement
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ID: 5065547
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 01:03
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24.3 Brook Fordyce
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| | | 26 | Stealth @ work
ID: 3616129
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 11:17
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MITH, call me when you see this.
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ID: 14821921
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 11:31
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24.4 Steve Kline
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ID: 3281648
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 12:17
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24.5 Mike Matheny
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ID: 131122820
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 13:17
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24.6 Grag Vaughn
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ID: 19254514
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:20
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24.7 Derek Lee
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ID: 23181213
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 18:22
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24.8 Jeff Nelson
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Leader
ID: 21752128
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 19:07
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24.9 Orlando Hernandez
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| | | 33 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 19:46
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24.10 Adrian Hernandez
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ID: 31248618
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 22:34
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Smallwhirled is having computer problems, so he asked me to pick
24.11 Mike Lamb
for him.
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ID: 29161120
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 22:35
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I not waiting up all night again. Who wants my queue?
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| | | 36 | Stealth's Bombers
ID: 29161120
Wed, Mar 06, 2002, 22:37
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bad timing I guess, what else is new.
24.12 Mark Grudzeilanek. . . or something like that. 2B LA Dodgers
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| | | 37 | Stealth's Bombers
ID: 29161120
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 07:59
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. . .at the office Mith, same rules as last night apply, call with questions.
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Leader
ID: 1701629
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 14:59
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C'mon Dan/Twarpy, just 2 more picks then you can disappear >)
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| | | 39 | Dan
ID: 0229323
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 18:27
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24. 13 Chris Truby
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| | | 40 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 18:31
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wow you guys still aren't done.
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Leader
ID: 21752128
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 19:27
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Yeah, at 3 picks a day we're going for the world record
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ID: 10235713
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 19:33
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It started to speed up for a bit, which just felt wrong. We're finally back to our normal pace. Good job guys! ;)
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ID: 578432719
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 22:45
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24.14 Aubrey Huff
25.1 Jon Garland
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| | | 44 | Seanfeld
ID: 578432719
Thu, Mar 07, 2002, 22:47
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I can't do a new thread right now but I don't think we need one I'll do one later if people want
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| | | 45 | Dan
ID: 0229323
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 01:15
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25.2 Angel Berroa
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ID: 29161120
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 07:16
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25.3 Elmer Dessens
Thanks anyway MITH.
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Donor
ID: 29232811
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 12:21
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25.4 Brett Tomko
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ID: 17218812
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 12:23
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25.5 Curtis Leskanic
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Leader
ID: 1701629
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 12:33
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25.6 Eric Karros
Whew, I thought we'd never see this day...
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| | | 50 | Seanfeld
ID: 578432719
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 15:33
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If I remember correctly, Juxtapoz said
25.7 Jason Larue
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| | | 51 | juxtapoz15
ID: 0215120
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 16:02
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yeah that was right.... thanks for the pick
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| | | 52 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 17:17
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Looks like I'm going out straight from work tonight and I'm not sure when I'll be home so anyone want to take my queue for the last pick of the draft? I guess it doesn't matter since I can't hold up anyone else's picks but just to get the thing done I'll leave a queue if anyone will take it.
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ID: 10235713
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 18:02
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I think he's still around, someone tell me if he isn't:
25.8 Brad Ausmus
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ID: 29161120
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 18:07
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Ausmus taken 22.13, sorry
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ID: 10235713
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 18:13
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Doh, ok gimme a min.
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ID: 10235713
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 18:18
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Ok, what about:
25.8 Eric Hinske
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ID: 29161120
Fri, Mar 08, 2002, 18:19
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he's ok
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ID: 191127230
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 00:46
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25.9 Sterling Hitchcock
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ID: 367181310
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 09:46
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25.10 Livan Hernandez
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ID: 14821921
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 11:48
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25.11 Placindo Polanco
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ID: 2124913
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 13:06
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. . . I think I can, I think I can
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ID: 33156417
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 19:12
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25.12 Alex Rodriguez
wait a sec isnt he gone....
25.12 Jose Lima
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ID: 578432719
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 20:44
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25.13 Mark Prior
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| | | 64 | Fosten
ID: 578432719
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 21:00
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What do you guys think is a good "maximum innings pitched per team?" Public leagues use 1250. Draft results will be published after Mattingly gives us that special last pick (PICK A LOON - my vote, Mike Colangelo).
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ID: 2124913
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 21:07
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25. 14 Cesar Izturis
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| | | 66 | Fosten
ID: 578432719
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 21:39
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I'm going to pick 1400. That's what the other league had for 8 pitchers. We have 7, but I think it'll encourage more use of waiver wire pitchers... (there's still alot out there). Draft is submitted... what time do you want me to open the waiver wire?
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| | | 67 | juxtapoz15
ID: 192251322
Sat, Mar 09, 2002, 23:59
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I think anywhere between 1300 and 1400 innings is OK. I say open the waiver wire sometime in the afternoon so I wont have to wake up to grab someone. Also any ideas on how we are going to handle IPOs this year? I really dont feel like staying up till 3AM EST this year.... especially since I am graduating at the end of this semester and will have to get a real job.... maybe some of you guys have a better idea on how to do it
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| | | 68 | Fosten
ID: 578432719
Sun, Mar 10, 2002, 01:06
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Yeah, help us build the 608 network and don't get a real job. :)
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| | | 69 | Stealth's Bombers
ID: 2124913
Sun, Mar 10, 2002, 10:06
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Forgive me for being a little green, this is my first real draft. How exactly would the waiver wire work? What if 2 guys want the same person, is it first come, first serve? Shouldn't everyone be aware that you are opening the waiver wire? The one thing we have proven, is that there isn't anyone around all weekend. I am ok with who I have, so I am not looking for anyone else, but I'm curious to how it's going to work.
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| | | 70 | Stealth's Bombers
ID: 2124913
Sun, Mar 10, 2002, 10:08
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. . .and, I would really want to hear both sides of the argument before Imake a final decision, but by using rough math I would feel better about 1300-1400 innings.
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| | | 71 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 09:56
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I'd assume about half of you have done this or similar figuring already, but let's get it on the table. This is my first league of this kind but I think the idea of limiting IP is to allow for enough innings to for each team to mantain 5 starters and two relievers for most of the season, but not enough for us to micromanage and/or maximize pitcher starts or to make releivers and especially closers nearly useless. If that logic is flawed then the math that follows would be useless as well.
Assuming I'm on the right track, we'll say the average SP gets 34 GS/year (a little high but my natural tendency is to give the benefit to those who would argue for a higher limit since the suggested 1250 number seems ok to me). Using the ESPN fantasy rankings, the top 40 SPs from last year (further giving the benefit to those who prefer a higher IP limit) averaged (by my pre-coffee math) 6.24 innings/start. Note that that number seems high to me but I am too lazy to check my numbers and if high, I would prefer to err on the side of those who might disagree with me. So, 34 * 5 = 170. 170 * 6.24 = 1,060.8. If we go with the suggested 1,250 IP limit, that leaves 189.2 IPs for two closers. Among all ML pitchers the only player to amass over 94 IP and 10+ saves was B Kim, who pitched 98 innings and saved 19 games. I don't see why it is necessary to leave room for excess, but considering the apparently high IP/GS I allowed for and my questionable math, it would seem that I most likely did anyhow. So, unless someone can refute my logic, prove my math wrong or present factors that I have not considered (I certainly leave wide open the possibilities for all three), my vote is to go with the suggested 1250 IP team limit. If any feel that this number is too high, I welcome your arguments as well.
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| | | 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:04
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I also feel it notable that that the above argument comes from the weirdo who drafted 9 starting pitchers.
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| | | 73 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:06
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the problem with you logic MITH is that not everyone has planned to start only 5 SPs. Some will wish to start 6 or 7.
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ID: 131122820
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:24
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MITH, i think we have to make the limit of innings pitched a little higher. I agree with EH that that the people that picked more starters then closers will get screwed.
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| | | 75 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:27
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I did consider that. Obviously, SP have a clear advantage over closers in that relief pitchers cannot possibly amass the strikeout totals of the better SPs. Leaving 1,400 IP really makes closers a lot less valuable and thus less of a necessary part of the game. 1,400 IP allows for you to run 7 SPs for at least half the year and 6 for the rest of it. 1,250 would allow for the srategic challenge of inserting a sixth or seventh SP for a period of time, but makes managing your pitchers more difficult afterward. Maximizing points for a period of time by doing this should guzzle up some of your resources. The more team IP you allow, the more it simplifies the game and makes it easier for those who do less research to succeed.
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| | | 76 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:30
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Wiggs, if anyone were to get screwed by this, it would be me. I drafted 11 pitchers - 9 of them starters.
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| | | 77 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:38
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Here's the thing, I like the idea of seeing people who run 6 and 7 starters the whole year getting penalized at the end of the season by running out of team IP to use.
The only problem I see with the 1250 limit would be that managers who have SPs that are among the league leaders in innings/start would be unfairly penalized for something that shold be solely a reward. I don't know if the Yahoo would allow for it, but I would certainly accept limiting GS rather than IP to remedy this. a limit of 175 - 180 GS with unlimited IP would seem reasonable to me.
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| | | 78 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:43
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That is a fair point but one that should have been made prior to drafting.
Position requirements state 7 Ps. It says nowhere that they can't all be starters. I don't really care one way or the other but since it wasn't stated at the outset the 7 SP strategy has to be taken into account.
Running with 6 or 7 SPs may NOT in fact be the best strategy because though RPs can't provide the K's that starters can. They can bring great WHIPs, ERAs and important SAVE category points.
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| | | 79 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:55
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Every category counts equally, right? If so than RPs have a disadvantage - period. I would be surprised if I did not employ 7 SPs at some point during the season myself, but I don't think you should be able to do it all year. Every league I know of limits team IP, what could be the reason for it if not to keep teams from using exclusively or almost exclusively starters all year.
Regardless, there's still plenty of time and plenty of spring training developments to significantly change the strength and depth of our rosters, not to mention trades and waiver/FA pickups. On closers alone in the past few weeks, Shaw was drafted by someone who surely thought he'd have a job in Cincy. That seems to have fallen through, thus wasting that pick. Then, Tom Gordon going down seemed to waste the pick that drafted him, but make the guy who drafted Farnsworth look like genius. Now, word from Baylor is that he is looking into seeing if Shaw is willing to come over to the Reds, changing that outlook all around agin. Plenty more will happen, and the rosters that look strongest could be the most flawed by opening day.
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| | | 80 | CanEHdian Pride
Donor
ID: 426351415
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 10:59
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I'm not in disagreement with you at all. I'm simply stating that this should have been handled before the draft. Honestly, i'm not concerned with the inning limits. Just putting up the other side of the arguement.
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| | | 81 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 11:20
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Err...
"...word from Baylor is that he is looking into seeing if Shaw is willing to come over to the Cubs"
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| | | 82 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 13:13
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Also of some import - happy 30th to Stealth today.
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| | | 83 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 22201113
Mon, Mar 11, 2002, 13:31
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I'd be in favor of either 1250 or 1400 (or a compromise of 1325), but lets figure it out before the season starts.
Btw, Fosten owns both Shaw and Farnsworth, so he's got the Chicago situation covered pretty well. ;)
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| | | 84 | Fosten
ID: 578432719
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 02:24
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I will be opening up waivers this Thursday March 14 at 4 pm.
It seems most people want innings to be on the higher end of 1250 and 1400, so I figure a compromise of 1350 innings should be about right.
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| | | 86 | Stealth's Bombers
ID: 2124913
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 19:22
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I think that 1350 is pointless. That still allows for 7 starters averaging 192+ innings for a season. You could play 6 and 7 sp's per week.
I think there should be a comprimise, but if we want rp's to matter at all, I would suggest no more then 1300 innings. You would still be able to start 6 every week, but you would need at least one closer.
And this should have been discussed before the draft, I would have picked differently.
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| | | 87 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 3711402623
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 20:20
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The lack of response here is somewhat discouraging. At the least there should be a vote on it. Wiggs has expressed that he prefers a higher limit than 1,250 innings and the only others who have voiced opinions are Stealth and EH, but no one gave a number.
I propose we leave it to a vote that will be tallied at the time that waivers are opened. If enough concur, perhaps we should also postpone the waiver opening 24hrs to accomodate as many as possible.
I also request that any who disagree with my reasoning and/or arithmatic on the matter in posts 71, 75, 77 and 79 please present your case. I still leave wide open the possibilities that I could be dead wrong because of factors and/or strategies I may not have considered or corrupt math.
My vote would be for a 1250 inning limit for each team, assuming the GS limit is not a possibility.
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| | | 88 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 22201113
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 20:23
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Uh, I gave my opinion too MITH. (Post #83.) I'll vote for 1300.
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| | | 89 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 3711402623
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 20:25
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Oops. Sorry Rogue, indeed you did. My bad. But you're changing to 1300? Cool.
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| | | 90 | Dan
Donor
ID: 0229323
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 20:44
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I agree that we limit it, and have no problem with 1250!
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| | | 91 | Code Cracker
Leader
ID: 21752128
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 20:50
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1250 sounds good to me.
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| | | 92 | Stealth's Bombers
ID: 2124913
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 20:59
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1300
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| | | 93 | beastiemiked
ID: 14821921
Wed, Mar 13, 2002, 23:58
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I don't care. No more than 1300.
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| | | 94 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Thu, Mar 14, 2002, 09:17
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So far that's:
MITH 1250
Rogue 1300
Dan 1250
CC 1250
Stealth 1300
BMD 1300
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| | | 95 | Fosten
ID: 578432719
Thu, Mar 14, 2002, 17:41
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I didn't open it yet cuz I was waiting to see what you guys said. I'll go with 1300. Anybody have a problem with opening waivers tonite at 8? If you do, contact me at fosten@aol.com. Otherwise, that's when you can start... good luck and on with the season.
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| | | 96 | Fosten
ID: 35251423
Thu, Mar 14, 2002, 23:09
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No posts, maybe you guys aren't even paying attention anymore. I didn't get to open the wire tonite, because I was at a review session for my midterm. I deeply apologize. Meaning new time, 4 pm tommorow (Friday).
I'm a bit rushed for time, if someone could copy this info over to the league msg boards (for those who aren't reading this thread anymore), it would be much appreciated.
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| | | 97 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Mar 15, 2002, 14:22
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The taly for votes on the inning limit is:
1300 innings 4 votes
1250 innings 3 votes
What's the verdict?
1275 innings sounds like a good comprimise,
1278.2 (1,278.667) is most accurate,
1300 would be a majority rule.
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| | | 98 | smallwhirled@home
ID: 17152614
Fri, Mar 15, 2002, 14:33
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1300 innings.
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| | | 99 | Rabid Chickens
ID: 3281648
Fri, Mar 15, 2002, 15:00
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1300 is fine with me
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| | | 100 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Fri, Mar 15, 2002, 16:27
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1500 innings
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| | | 101 | wiggs
ID: 131122820
Fri, Mar 15, 2002, 16:27
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no, i am kidding, i just wanted to see if i could get everyone worked up.
1300 is fine by me.
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| | | 102 | Mikel
ID: 33156417
Fri, Mar 15, 2002, 20:44
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1300 is good
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