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Subject: RIFC - Draft

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Fri, Aug 13, 2004, 12:23
This thread will be used for discussion during the RIFC draft.

First, a few useful links:
Draft recap in pick order Draft grid by team & position

Here is the draft order:
1 culdeus
2 Perm Dude
3 TB
4 Sludge
5 leggestand
6 Challenger
7 Mike V
8 Taxman
9 Ender
10 CanEHDian Pride
11 deepsnapper
12 Motley Crue
13 Guru
14 GoatLocker

The clock will start on Monday morning. It will initially be set at 8 hours, with a moratorium from approx. midnight-7am EDT. If the clock expires, the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can. The clock will be relaxed or eliminated on weekends. We'll discuss that later in the week, as we see how progress is going. We need to average about one round per day, so we cannot afford to have many picks time out.

People at the endpoints of the draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. This applies only to GoatLocker and culdeus. The software does not handle it this way automatically, but I can override if the situation arises. In other words, people at the endpoints don't get a double time limit to make their 2 picks. Both picks must be made within one time limit period.

We will maintain a draft discussion thread here, but it will probably not be used extensively. If you know that you have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette.

If you know you will be away when your next pick is likely to be due, you can deputize another manager to make the pick for you. There is a way to do this in the Kafenatid software. You can also always email your pick queue to me in advance. (I am automatically allowed to enter a pick for anyone, so you don't need to deputize me.) As long as you put "RIFC queue" in the subject line, I'll promise not to peek inside if I have an intervening pick. Scout's honor.

I will attempt to update picks at the Fanball site daily, so that league managers can use that site's player tools to review the available pool. Be aware, however, that Fanball updates will typically be a partial round behind the actual draft.

When drafting, there is no need to draft every position. For example, if you want to skip a kicker, be my guest. However, the Fanball software will force you to fill each of the 12 active slots when you set your lineup for each game. You will not have the ability to leave an active slot blank, so plan your bench needs accordingly.

As a final caveat, I will be on vacation during the first 2 weeks of the draft. I do plan to keep up, checking in several times daily. But there will be times when I might not be as available as usual.

Culdeus has until Monday at 2pm EDT to make the first pick. Any picks made prior to Monday morning are discretionary, and not timed. There is no need to get an early start - but feel free to do so, if you are so inclined.
 
1Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 13, 2004, 12:28 		Here is a recap of the league rules:
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
2 IDP (flex)
8 bench
20 Total

Offense Category
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25
Rushing yard 1/10
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10
Kick return yard 1/25
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Decimal scoring: yes
Int, fumbles lost -2

Kicking
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49yds 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0

Team Defense
Sack 1
Interception 2
Fumble recovered 2
TD 6
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
Shutout 10
1-6 points allowed 7
7-13 points allowed 4
14-20 points allowed 1
21-27 points allowed 0
28-34 points allowed -1
35+ points allowed -4


Indiv Defensive Players
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Pass defensed 1
Sack 2 (half sack=1)
Interception 2
Fumble forced 1
Fumble recovery 1
TD 6
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
IDP receive points for any touchdowns scored, regardless of cause (off, def, or return)
IDP do not receive other offensive points or return points

All free agents are subject to weekly waivers.
All dropped players are subject to waivers for 48 hours.
All added players must be kept on your roster for 48 hours (manually enforced).

Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16
 
2culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 14:34 		You want us to pick up the players as we pick or what? Should save you a step.

FYI it looks like LaVarArrington has signed with the NFLPA and does exist on the draftable player pool now (finally). Or else this site just puts him on there anyway.
 
3Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 15:46 		snap, no problem if you need to queue me.
 
4deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 16:06 		Thanks PD, I'll reciprocate should the need arise.
 
5TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 16:17 		Deuce is off the board and Sludge is up.
 
6Athletics Guy
ID: 147331414
Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 18:43 		I'm assuming there is going to be draft rationales? I love reading that stuff.
 
7deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Sat, Aug 14, 2004, 19:06 		Athletics Guy - You assume correctly. We're going to get a couple of rounds into the draft before those start though. That allows the deeper thinkers to catch up.
 
8leggestand
ID: 9649128
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 17:08 		PD - sent you and Guru a 2 man queue. I will be checking in every couple hours, but you can make my selection if you happen to see it's my pick.

If it's alright with you PD, I will probably use you as my queue man when the picks are on the way down, and Guru when they are on the way up.
 
9Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 17:15 		Got it, no problem. After Sludge picks, I'll take the next pick you have left.
 
10Sludge
ID: 24914721
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 19:53 		I have sealed my doom... errr... made my pick.
 
11Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 19:57 		OK, picked for leggestand. Shaun Alexander is now off the board.
 
12leggestand
ID: 9649128
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 21:15 		Thanks PD
 
13Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 22:31 		Portis has been drafted & signed
 
14Sludge
ID: 475323018
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 23:30 		Well damn. I was hoping he'd stay around until the 2nd round.
 
15Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Sun, Aug 15, 2004, 23:59 		Well, you can have him. Just show me some Green
 
16TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 09:17 		When does the official clock start? I thought I emailed my cheat sheets to my work last night, but they didn't come through...grrrr. Well, if it happens to make it around to me during the day I will run home to make my pick.

Thus far:
culdeus 1.01 Priest Holmes RB KAN
PermDude 1.02 Ladainian Tomlinson RB SDG
TB 1.03 Deuce Mcallister RB NOR
Sludge 1.04 Ahman Green RB GNB
leggestand 1.05 Shaun Alexander RB SEA
Challenger 1.06 Clinton Portis RB WAS
Dilligad 1.07 Jamal Lewis RB BAL
Taxman 1.08 Edgerrin James RB IND
 
17leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 12:06 		TB, I think the clock was supposed to start this morning around 7am, according to post 71 in this thread.

This may have been relaxed a bit since we got 8 picks completed prior to the start time.
 
18TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 12:59 		I re-read what Guru posted above and see that he said he would be on vacation. Maybe he saw where we were at already and didn't start the clock.
 
19Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 13:10 		Guru is prolly on the golf course now and just simply forgot beforehand
 
20Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 13:53 		We're loving those running backs!
 
21Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 14:14 		I had an early tee time, and didn't get the clock started this morning.

I just put 4 hours on it for Ender. I have CEHP's queue as well, so when Ender picks, we can knock off another in quick order.

 
22culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 17:40 		Are we on the verge of our first missed pick? Anyone got a Q?

 
23Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 17:56 		I just made CEHP's pick from his queue. Ender actually had almost 10 hours. I don't know what happened to him.

deepsnapper is up.
 
24Sludge
ID: 54692111
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 17:58 		Ummm... I just got an email saying that I'm a designated picker for Roy. I don't remember him sending me a list, or if he did, I must have deleted it. Anybody know if he's around or have a list from him? If his time is running down late tonight, I'll go ahead and pick for him if I don't hear anything else.
 
25Ender
ID: 0442215
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 18:09 		I apologize. We started student registration today at school and I had an in-service regarding our new math texts. I was home long enough to eat lunch and out the door again.

The rest of the week shouldn't be as hectic. I thought I'd have access around noon and it just didn't happen. I'll make sure to leave a queue in the future.
 
26Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 18:52 		Did not get a list either. Roy, you around?
 
27biliruben
ID: 441182916
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 18:57 		I am wondering, given Sludge not recalling a discussion with Roy, if the email was in reference to the political board league the sludge and Roy co-manage?
 
28TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 19:02 		Read post 117. He made you both designated pickers in case of an emergency. He still has some time left so no panic on his pick.
 
29Sludge
ID: 475323018
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 19:45 		Well there ya go then.
 
30cEHp @ random comp
ID: 597481619
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 21:13 		Guru,

2nd round queue sent. It doesn't have enough players to cover all of the picks ahead of me but I'm hoping it is sufficient.
 
31Motley Crue
ID: 58736522
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 21:51 		Roy and I just went--it's Guru's turn.
 
32deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 22:56 		Sorry about not getting a pick sent to you guys. I had a blood vessel pop in the left eyeball and had to make an ER visit to my Eye Surgeon at the literal drop of a hat.
 
33TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Mon, Aug 16, 2004, 23:43 		Hope you are okay. That just doesn't sound good at all.
 
34Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 00:07 		I'm no eye expert Roy, but maybe you shouldn't be dropping those hats....
 
35TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 12:04 		I emailed my toll-free cell number to every league member. If you want to email me back your number or call and give it to me, I will call you when it is your turn to draft so we can move this thing along.
 
36Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 12:34 		I wonder what happened to GoatLocker. He's about to time out on both of his picks.
 
37Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:13 		I would like to have given GoatLocker some additional slack, but he's been up since about 10pm last night, and the draft has not been moving along well at all. I hope he's OK, and can get back in quickly. But we really need to pick up the pace.
 
38Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:15 		I understand completely. I sent him an e-mail this morning asking him to go, and I got no response. Wonder what's up.
 
39Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:19 		I have a queue from CEHP, so if deepsnapper is around, we can kncok off another in short order.
 
40Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:25 		FYI on deepsnapper from post #117 in the draft prep thread:

Fred & James - If it's okay with both of you, I'll made both you Designated Pickers as you're on the other end of the snake. I don't plan on missing any selections, but a backup is always "a good thing". lol

I have my annual physical on Tuesday, but that's about it TMK

Hope his designated pickers remember and have his que or he gets back quickly with good news,
 
41Sludge
ID: 54692111
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:29 		I hope Fred has one, because he didn't send me one.
 
42deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:32 		Sorry Guys. I had to shuffle DR appts and am a little discombobulated at the moment. I'll pick in about 5. min.
 
43Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:33 		Motley - did you get your email notice from kafenatid for your 2nd round pick? Mine still hasn't arrived.

Just wondering if email is constipated at the kafenatid end. If so, deepsnapper may not have gotten his either.
 
44Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:36 		OK, Roy. I'll hang around to make CEHP's pick, and then I'll probably be out for awhile.
 
45deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:38 		1 min to spell marshall
 
46Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:40 		Guru, I am not currently utilizing the e-mail account that the e-mail would have gone to (I'm not at home), so I'm not sure. I have been checking in on kafenatid every 30 minutes or so, though.
 
47deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:41 		Email reminder from Kaffinated: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:09:28 -0600
 
48Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 14:42 		Good thing it wasn't Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala...
 
50Ender
ID: 0442215
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 16:34 		Next...
 
51culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 17:46 		Wow, missing a pick is one thing but missing the 14th and 15th is another. This changes the entire nature of the league. Big advantage to those able to take this opportunity to get the extra picks in.
 
52TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 18:55 		I agree. It's pretty messed up not being here for the first round. With that said, only one back has come off that I would have taken from his two picks and if he shows up soon, could still get his value from these two picks.

Yikes, as I type that two more picks go by.
 
53leggestand
ID: 9649128
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 18:59 		Two man queue sent to Guru. I will be checking in every 30 mins or so, but if Guru is around he can put my pick in when I am offline.
 
54Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:02 		legge, I'm here just catching up my list before I draft Taxes did me in again
 
55leggestand
ID: 9649128
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:03 		Ok, I will stick around.
 
56Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:07 		I resigned McNabb, maybe this year will not wait 1/2 the year before he starts playing well.
 
57culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:08 		Holy QB rush batman.
 
58leggestand
ID: 9649128
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:08 		Sludge is on the clock.

I am ecstatic(sp?) to get Torry Holt here.
 
59TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 19:26 		I agree legg, great pick. He will out score a few of the RBs selected before him for sure and there is plenty of decent QBs that will be around later on.

THK
 
60Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 21:14 		I wish we knew something about GoatLocker. I hope there isn't anything seriously wrong.

If he hasn't showed up by the end of round 2, I think we should assign 2 players to him before moving on. I'm not sure how to pick them, however. Anyone have a suggestion - or another idea on how to proceed?

(Does anyone know him personally, and/or have a more direct way to contact him?)
 
61culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 21:25 		Use ADP, I can provide it.
 
62Motley Crue
ID: 58736522
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 21:34 		I think he needs at least one RB or else he will be completely screwed in that department all year long.
 
63KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 21:43 		Guru, check your email. Nothing definitive, but it might be a start if GoatLocker doesn't show up soon.
 
64leggestand
ID: 9649128
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 21:48 		I think something like highest available RB (as provided by average draft position from Antsports) plus best avaliable player (also as provided by average draft position from Antsports).

I agree that it should happen between picks 2.14 and 3.1.
 
65TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 21:49 		ADP has 2 RB at top of the list right now and according to ADP at the time of his draft position, the two he lost were D. Davis and Dillon. ADP doesn't take into account all of our scoring rules.

If KKB volunteered to jump in and draft for him, I am all for it. If he didn't, I volunteer him anyway. ;)
 
66culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 21:58 		It's grim anyway you look at it, but what should I do assuming sludge tb and pd are around tonight and it gets to me? wait between rd2 and rd3?
 
67Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 22:00 		Guru, Check your email concerning some info about Goatlocker
 
68KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 22:02 		Sorry, I'm in no position to draft for anyone. I have a league draft coming up in a few days and I haven't even looked at the first cheat sheet. I'm screwed, but it's a work league, so it should all balance out. ;)
 
69Sludge
ID: 475323018
Tue, Aug 17, 2004, 22:34 		I am ecstatic(sp?) to get Torry Holt here.

Gah! Holt at that spot is a steal, IMHO.
 
70 Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 00:11 		If anyone gets a fix on Cliff (Goatlocker) PLEASE advise me. I am awaiting the start of another slow draft on Kafenatid and I do not want to get underway 'till he surfaces.
 
71Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 00:41 		culdeus, I'll pick in a minute or two, fyi.
 
72Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 07:53 		culdeus, make your second round pick, and then we'll break to decide on 2 picks for Cliff.
 
73culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 08:03 		ADP

Tiki Barber 2.08
Terrell Owens 2.09
 
74Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 08:54 		Yeah, those are the best available in my opinion. I hate to give him Owens, though. I wouldn't want to take that risk myself.
 
75Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:03 		What settings are you using for the ADP?
(I'm not disagreeing with those choices - I just want to be sure we are looking at consistent rankings.)

Another source:
ESPN live drafts:
top undrafted player - T. Owens (17)
top undrafted RB - T. Barber (35)

 
76leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:07 		He was probably looking at Antsports
 
77Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:11 		I'm going to enter those two picks for him, and we can restart the draft. When we get to his 3rd round pick, we'll have some decisions to make - assuming he is still AWOL.

1. Continue to make picks based upon some objective ranking(s) - this approach has a limited lifespan, however

2. Appoint someone to draft in his stead. Depending on the situation, this person might ultimately take over for that team for the season.

Selecting someone to fill in can be a delicate issue, and I'd prefer not to debate various candidates here. If any managers have specific candidate suggestions, please send me an email. If any observers would like to volunteer, please send me an email. I'll try to come up with contingency short list, which we can then let league managers vote on in private.
 
78Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:14 		Owens and Barber have been selected for GoatLocker.

culdeus is back on the clock
 
79leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:17 		Should a Draft Rationale thread be set up now as well?
 
80Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:17 		leggestand[36] - I know he was looking at Antsports. I was asking about the most appropriate parameter settings (#teams, dates, scoring system, etc.)
 
81Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:20 		I will set up a separate draft raionale thread momentarily. When you make your third round pick, please post your first round rationale. If you are not ready to post a rationale when due, please post a placeholder in that thread. Then, when the rationale is ready, post it here, and a moderator can splice it in your placeholder slot.
 
82leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:21 		Gotcha. I put it in as 14 teams, August draft dates (only 5 drafts, though, so small sample size), HP scoring w/ TE.

It came up with TO at 2.07 and Barber at 2.09, or vice versa.
 
83Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:28 		Re #77

This is a tough call. I'm sure you could get someone to take over the team, but I'm very concerned about this team being at a disadvantage already. I definitely think a surrogate drafter needs to be assigned. In case GoatLocker doesn't come back, we won't have to vote every time his pick comes up, or consult AntSports (which could have us drafting the team 2 QB's by the 5th round). Someone with a lot of draft experience and who would be willing to play out the season with the team if need be.
 
84Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:34 		Draft rationale thread has been created.

I've always found it best to draft my raionale for each pick at the time it is made. This allows me to remember what I was thinking at the moment. It is then a simple matter to copy it in to the rationale thread when due two rounds later.

In fact, I sometimes draft the rationale before I make the pick. On more than one occasion, I've decided that my rationale was uncompelling (to me), and decided to change my intended pick.
 
85Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 09:51 		I agree with MC: That team is already a halfstep behind and would need the attention of a very good drafter at this point.

Give all the RIFC qualifier threads, I don't think there should be a lot of difficulty at this point finding someone to at least draft for Cliff.
 
86leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:06 		***TRADE ALERT***

Culdeus and Leggestand have agreed to a trade:

Leggestand gets 3.1, 4.14, and 6.14
Culdeus gets 3.5, 4.10, and 6.10
 
87Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:07 		I'll be out of the office for about a half hour and will pick when I get back. Sorry for the delay.

pd
 
88Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:27 		leggestand[86] - I take it, then, that you are getting Westbrook, and that culdeus has your 3rd round pick?
 
89leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:34 		Guru [88] - you are correct.
 
90Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:39 		I processed the trade on kafenatid. I presume that when 3.05 is due, culdeus will be prompted.
 
91GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:51 		Guys,
I'm on travel and just now got in.
Am going to send Roy a queue.

Roy,
Hope you get it and can pick for me.

Thanks,

Sorry to hold things up all.

Cliff
 
92GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 10:56 		Roy,
Sent you a queue through Kafenatid.
Will check again this afternoon after the meeting is over.

Cliff
 
93Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 11:04 		Good to see you back, Cliff.

Matt Hasselbeck is now a Perm Duder.
 
94leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 11:11 		Nice to hear from you Goat. Glad to see everything is alright.
 
95 TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 11:29 		I know what pick I want to make, but I am going to hold off for a little bit and see if I get any trade offers from any teams who want to move up.

I am currently at work and just typed in my work email addy. I also sent each of you my cell number if you want to call.

Tom
 
96Sludge
ID: 54692111
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 11:59 		Culdeus -

Begging me to pick won't work. Especially since, at the time the email was sent, I was enjoying 9 holes of golf and dinner with my wife and four year old.
 
97TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 12:37 		I was just exchanging emails with Culdeus. He cannot get to the forum from work. Looks like no takers for a trade, so I will make my pick shortly.
 
98TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 12:52 		Very tough pick for me because of the value on the board. I won't go into detail now, because A) the other players I thought about are still on the board and B) you can read all about it in a couple rounds. =)

I knew I could get Smith if someone traded with me and I moved down, but I also knew I couldn't pass on him now and expect him to still be here at 4.12. I didn't want to hold up the draft waiting for offers, but I thought for sure someone lower down would want to move up.
 
99Sludge
ID: 54692111
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 13:24 		Darrell Jackson is off the board. It's getting to be pretty much coin flips at this point.
 
100TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 14:40 		I just got this email from Culdeus:

"Can you tell the board I want Santana Moss and they can go on, it isn't letting me pick that spot."

OTC is showing leggestand with the next pick so it doesn't look like the trade is being recognized.

Via trade Culdeus selects
3.05 Santana Moss, WR, NYJ
 
101leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 14:41 		Culdeus and I have run into a problem. Neither of us can make the 3.5 pick.
 
102leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 14:41 		TB beat me to it.
 
103leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 14:43 		Culdeus actually emailed me with a queue for a different player than Moss, and I emailed that player to Guru. Culdeus has since changed his mind and wants Moss, so, Guru, disregard my email.
 
104Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 15:11 		I just picked Moss for him.
 
105Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 15:52 		Next!
 
106Sludge
ID: 54692111
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 16:41 		Joe Horn isn't a RB. Guru, you might want to correct that so that the Draft Board isn't affected.
 
107MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 16:48 		Fixed
 
108cEHp @ library
ID: 437361816
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 17:57 		Is anyone else around. I'm at a library now and will hold off on my queue if I can see a few more before I leave.....

quick roll call???
 
110 deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 18:45 		I"ll pick within 10 min.
 
111Motley Crue
ID: 58736522
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 18:46 		"Will a Baltimore jury really keep him [Jamal Lewis] from playing?" - Mike V in the Draft Rationale thread.

Probably not, but I bet an Atlanta jury wouldn't mind. And as far as I know, the charges have been filed in Federal Court in Atlanta. But, I wouldn't let any of that discourage you. I am expecting 1,800 rushing yards this year for Jamal. And that's just against the Browns.

; )
 
112MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 18:56 		Damn, if he's in court in Atlanta, I want to change my pick. It's tough to be ignorant.
 
113Motley Crue
ID: 58736522
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 19:12 		Man, I wrote a draft rationale for Barlow (1.12) and then left it at work. And now I'm home and I don't have it here. And I ain't re-writing it. I'll post a placeholder if we get to me.
 
114Motley Crue
ID: 58736522
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 19:15 		Oh yeah, I picked. Guru, your turn.
 
115deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 19:21 		I' ve got a short list from Cliff. I'll review it and see if I've got 2 picks after Guru makes his selection.
 
116Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:04 		I just got here. Give me a few moments to assimilate the situation...
 
117Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:09 		BORG!
 
118cEHp @ library
ID: 217251819
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:28 		I'm back. Unfortunately the library is only open until 9. I'll be around until then. If the situation isn't certain by 9 I'll leave a queue.

Keep me posted.
 
119cEHp @ library
ID: 217251819
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:29 		also, if someone can fill me in as to how the "placeholders" work i'd appreciate it. Do I post in the same thread and it is moved or do I post somewhere else?
 
120Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:29 		Guys, please post your rationales when you make your pick - or else post a placeholder. I just had to post 5 placeholders before posting my own rationale.
 
121deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:38 		I'll make Cliff's picks as he hasn't checked in.
 
122cEHp @ library
ID: 57331819
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:40 		Looks like a bunch of the back-end are logged on so we should be able to knock off almost half a round in a few minutes.
 
123cEHp @ library
ID: 57331819
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:45 		TB, I copied down your cell phone number, I may give you a buzz if I can't get to a computer and need to check in.
 
124cEHp @ library
ID: 57331819
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 20:47 		I've got a 2 man queue ready and 10 minutes left before the library shuts me down. I will send my queue via "queue management" if i am not on the clock by 9:55
 
125Motley Crue
ID: 58736522
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:03 		Lav Coles joins the Motley Crue.

Next pick is up.
 
126Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 21:15 		You around, deepsnapper? I have CEHP's queue, but I'd like to leave ASAP.
 
127deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:34 		here
 
128deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 22:38 		an hour ago too. ;)
 
129Ender
ID: 0442215
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:10 		Guru (or anyone else who knows the answer), if we have place holders for our rationales, how should we get them to you? Do we post them in the rationale thread or do we email them to you?
 
130culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:19 		need a place for a q sent one to guru, but can't stay on long. trying other guys now.
 
131TaRhEElKiD
ID: 40612721
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:21 		Boldin????

THK
 
132Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:28 		I'm here for your Q
 
133Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:44 		Chris Brown reluctantly taken off the board
 
134Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 23:58 		You can post your delayed rationales in this thread, and I (or a moderator) will copy them over.
 
135Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 00:26 		Um, guys - we're 7 rationales in arrears now.

When you make a pick, either post a rationale, or post a placeholder.

If someone before you has failed to post a placeholder, then post one for him.

Otherwise, I'm going to go nuts posting placeholders for everyone.

This isn't rocket science.
 
136TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 00:50 		That's the kind of day I have had. Still at work...
 
137TB
Leader
ID: 31811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 00:53 		Wow, I just checked and am up next. I will be home in an hour and will make a pick by then.
 
138Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 01:02 		TB, I'm going to send you a two-person queue for my pick after yours if that's OK--just for my next pick (4.13).
 
139 TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 01:22 		I just got home and am updating a few things before I draft. I would also say I am typing up my rationale, but you already skipped me...lol

Send it to my home addy if you are really sure I am not going to steal your player.
 
140Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 01:30 		Will do. I'll also send it via Kafenatid.

Thanks,


pd
 
141TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 02:51 		I made my pick and PD's pick based on his queue. I will paste my rationale for 2.12 in this thread tomorrow so it can be inserted.
 
143culdeus
Leader
ID: 43105818
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 08:25 		Just in case anyone is confused we are waiting on legge at the moment, I pick after him on the turn.
 
144Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 08:30 		Good progress yesterday! Two rounds completed in one day.

Fanball rosters are currently updated through pick 4.13.

leggestand is now up with the 4.14 picks traded from culdeus.

leggestand - are you able to input your pick directly? If not, email it to me, or post it here.
 
145leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 08:48 		Culdeus is up!

Rationales being completed for Torry Holt and Westbrook shortly!
 
148Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:11 		I'm at school for the morning and stole enough time to post this, but won't be available until about 12:00 CST.

I'll get my rationales posted and make any pick necessary at that point.
 
152Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:56 		Thanks, TB, for the pick.

I'm here and will pick 5.02 in about ten minutes.

pd
 
153GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 10:57 		Getting ready to start my meeting, will check to see where we are at come lunch time.
Looks like I will figure out a way to get on this evening also.

Cliff

Donny,
Will check the other one.
Let me know if you are ready to start.

 
155Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:32 		sorry for the holdup. Took my first risky shot with Fitzgerald.
 
156TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 11:56 		I just made my pick and posted the rationale. Sludge is up.
 
157Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:03 		If I may say so, TB, that was an excellent pick. You shouldn't have too many weeks where you are lacking for WR points, or RB points for that matter.
 
158TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:14 		Thanks bro. I keep back-spacing because I know it's taboo to talk about the draft while still in progress. Having my starting RB and WR set is great, but it will hurt me in at least one other position by the time this bad boy gets back up to me.
 
159Sludge
ID: 54692111
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:14 		Smith at that spot was a very good pick. I probably would have taken him with my next pick despite the fact that I don't have a QB yet (a malady which will be remedied in a few minutes). He was just too much value at this point in the draft, IMHO, to pass up if he fell to me.
 
160Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:17 		Looks like something blew up when I added some rationales. I think I can reclaim the missing posts.
 
161Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:17 		Agreed, I had him ranked 7 spots higher than the next best WR.

I would not have hesitated had he made it down to me.
 
164Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:33 		Yes, very good pick, TB. It was down to Smith, Fitzgerald, and one other player (a RB) for me.
 
165TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:50 		You all need to quit trying to put the hex on Smith. =)
 
166leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:56 		The first Raider has been selected!
 
167TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 12:59 		Good pick. I wanted to draft him, but didn't want to hex him or my Raiders. I hope he catches 150 balls for 2000 yards and scores 20 TD's for you.
 
168leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 13:02 		So do I, TB.

I actually had him pretty high on my WR list because of his potential.
 
169Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 13:15 		New England Def is off the board
 
170Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 13:53 		Wow, the last 4 WR's drafted all have first names starting with "J". I'd call that a run.
 
171deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 14:55 		Someone IM if cEHp picks. I'm going to try and type a short rationale for each pick before everything gets blurry again.
 
172KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 16:07 		Have you guys come to the next traded pick yet? Did it work okay?
 
173Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 16:12 		I think it worked this time around. It was between culdeus and leggestand. The third round picks didn't work, but I think the fourth rounders did.
 
174KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 16:44 		Cool. It should have worked, but I just wanted to make sure.
 
175leggestand
Sustainer
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 16:57 		KKB, the picks worked perfect in the 4th round.
 
177deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 18:53 		I about freaked looking for Fred's rationale. That was just about my whole afternoon's visonquest. lol
 
178cEHp @ library
ID: 267531917
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 18:56 		you're up snapper.
 
180deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 19:18 		I'm here
 
181cEHp @ library
ID: 267531917
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 19:21 		I'd just like to make a point to mention that undrafted players should not be mentioned in draft rationales. I had a chance to read them and saw an instance where this occured. Just a heads up.
 
182Motley Crue
ID: 58736522
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 19:29 		It actually haoppened twice, but I couldn't complain about the second time because I was the dumbA who did it the first time. My mistake...
 
185TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 20:50 		Dang it Guru! You stole my super sleeper pick in Dante Hall. Truthfully, I almost nabbed him instead of Toomer in the 4th round, but 1) I was worried about drafting a player who primarily counted on return yards (even though those punt returns are money) and 2) I was hoping he wasn't on anyone's radar. Using last years stats he projects to be a top 8 WR in our scoring format. Even using some low projections I still rated him equal to Toomer and Smith.

Feel free to steal some of this for your draft rationale. =)

Starting to see a lot of players I have been looking at for my next pick coming off the board. Tomorrow will be a very busy day at work for me and I might have to leave a queue with MC depending on how far we move tonight.
 
186TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 21:05 		Goatlocker, just read your rationale on Dunn and thought you might enjoying reading what was said on ESPN: Whispers around the NFL
It is the seventh bullet down. I think it was a good pick for you and he filled in for me well in a flex position last year.
 
187deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 21:06 		back from a bite of dinner. let me digest the last fiew picks
 
189Ender
ID: 0442215
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 22:19 		I don't think Hall qualifies as a super sleeper in a return yard league ;)

Next...
 
193TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 22:58 		Footballguys project him at 1400-1500 total yards and 5 TD's. Good enough for the 15th ranked RB. I think he was a great pick (just in case you hadn't read my rationales...lol).
 
194deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 23:03 		5.11 Quentin Griffin, RB, Denver Broncos

Given the choice of taking a wide reciever or a running back off the top of my ranking board, I chose to take the top rated running back.

Quentin Griffin isn't the prototypical Denver running back, but given his speed and quickness, he's going to gain yards at the running back posiiton in the Denver scheme of run blocking. The age of dual backs may be upon us in the NFL. Quentin's hero is Dunn by all accounts.

I was very happy to see Quentin fall to the end of round 5 and me for my# 3 back. Running backs are always the hardest position to fill with productive players. Add into that the 8 bye weeks which are on the schedule and we have teams on byes one week or another nearly 50% of the season. That's a lot of substutions.

I wasn't confident he'd make the turnaround & come back to me in Rd #6, so I made the pick for Griffin now. It's almost as if I loose as many players in the draft on the short turnaround as I do on the long one. Go figure.

 
195TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 23:11 		I just noticed that the draft clock hasn't stopped.
 
196Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 23:31 		Hey Roy, what are you, lazy? Put 4.04 into the rationale thread yerself!

:)
 
198culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 07:54 		picked
 
199culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 07:58 		That was my first one-off pick, the guy I wanted (And thought would slide) was picked one spot before me. Argghhhh.
 
200Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 11:14 		TB[195] - Last night I turned off the clock shortly before midnight, as usual. That was the agreement all along (see initial post).

Everybody - since we're making good progress, I will turn off the clock at midnight tonight and leave it off during the weekend. However, I hope we can continue to make forward progress on Saturday and Sunday. If you are going to be away for an extended period, please continue to make backup arrangements.
 
202Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 12:07 		culdeus, are you talking about Fitzgerald? It'll be interesting to see how things shake out there in Arizona, but it looks like he'll get a lot of balls thrown his way so he's got some upside.
 
204Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 14:42 		OK. Either I just put myself in the top third for defense with that pick (Mark Fields) or I just wasted a pick.

Had him on my radar for two picks now and just didn't want to lose the chance to pick him up. Obviously I'm banking on a return to his amazing 2002 season. If he does, it was well worth a pick at this point.
 
205GoatLocker
      ID: 427272213
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 15:08 		Nice pick PD, guess he won't make it back to me :)
TB,
Can't read the 7th bullet down as I don't pay for it.

Cliff
 
206 Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 15:16 		Cliff...where the #ell are you....please contact me ASAP..you are up in Golden
 
207leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 16:42 		I am here, finalizing my pick in the next 10 minutes.
 
208Sludge
      ID: 54692111
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 17:27

Click to open full-size image.
 
209Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 18:31 		Guru, queue sent, but I'll be around until roughly 8:00 EST (I'm going to see Weird Al with my son). If I come up before then I'll make my own pick.
 
210deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 18:46 		Fred - no can do, my link's bad to the Mod Entry Page sooo (;-Þ)
 
211 Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 19:26 		Otay. You want me to send it to you?

And at the time I posted that, yours was the next one up--no mod powers needed.
 
212 Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 19:26 		I'm ready to pick..but a hint of a trade offer floated by a little while ago, so I will give it another 30 minutes to hear back, then I will draft.
 
213 deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 19:34 		That'd work Fred, With me blowing my left eye out Monday, I'm not real visually versatile ATM so I'm laying off the PC as much as possible until next week at least.
 
214Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 19:41 		Guru, please apply the queue to 7th round only. I'll be back in a few hours to make the 8th round pick myself.
 
215Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 19:55 		OK, disregard it all together :) I made the pick myself.

I'll make the 8th round pick too when I get back from the concert.
 
216deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 20:33 		give me about 10 minutes
 
217Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 21:06 		Man, I am not making all those draft rationale placeholders. There are a bunch up before me.
 
219TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 21:59 		It is ready for you to insert your rationale. It was only a couple off. As a league we have been doing pretty good staying current with rationales.
 
220deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 22:16 		This is the yakkingest bunch about players who haven't been taken in the draft, and I haven't got through the 2nd round's rationales!

What's up with that? Are we writing about our picks or who we didn't draft?
 
221deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 22:18 		I couldn've slipped that one in. soory
 
222deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 22:25 		Thanks TB. I'll go feed the beast before it falls over. ;)
 
223TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 22:28 		I can't quite decipher that last post. If you were refering to my last rationale, Dante Hall, Chad Pennington, and the NE Defense have all been drafted. I suppose I could have just said I like Jimmy cuz he eats his Wheaties and catches lots of balls, but that doesn't quite help the reader know exactly what was going through my mind when I made the selection.

=)
 
224TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 22:31 		Wow, I went back and read my rationales and realized that I did talk about an undrafted player very early on. My bad. I do tend to babble on and will have to be a bit more careful.
 
225TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 20, 2004, 23:57 		Guru is now guilty too...hehe
 
226Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 00:16 		Just drafted two for Cliff. Back around the horn!
 
227Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 00:27 		TB[225] - I don't think so.
 
228Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 00:28 		I'm going to start a new thread for rationales starting with 6.01
 
229Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 00:37 		I see I posted about Koren Robinson, but he had already been drafted by the time I wrote the rationale.

Oh, wait, I posted about the NE Defense. Damn. Sorry.
 
230Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 00:52 		I also started a new draft discussion thread.

230 posts is long enough.
 
231TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 01:16 		LOL, you are right Guru. I didn't look to see who you picked (Wayne), I just read the rationale before I jumped off the computer.