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Subject: RIFC - Draft Discussion #2

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 00:51
Draft guidelines and league parameters are at the top of the first draft discussion thread.

Draft recap in pick order

Draft grid by team and position

After 5 full days, we've knocked off 7 rounds. The clock will be turned off during the weekend, but let's continue to make as much progress as we can.

Rationales are fairly up to date, but if you are behind, post them here and I'll splice them into the appropriate spot in the rationale thread.

Carry on....
 
12Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 12:35 		Not understanding why rationale's are being posted before they are due?!!? I drafted @ 12:19 and post my rationale 10 minutes later after some editing and find not one but 2 mangers jumping ahead.
 
13Sludge
      ID: 475323018
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 12:38 		Just following orders.

Guru #135 - If someone before you has failed to post a placeholder, then post one for him. RIFC - Draft
 
14TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 12:40 		I just pasted my 6.12 right after I saw 6.11 posted. I assumed Sludge had made his pick, so I posted my rationale and went to see who was drafted. I think he jumped the gun a bit.
 
15Sludge
      ID: 475323018
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 12:44 		TB - Delete your post, and we'll be back on track.

I was operating under the assumption that once round X+2 had started, all picks for round X were fair game for rationales. Too many damn groundrules, rules, and guidelines floating around.
 
16TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 12:57 		I tried but self-edit isn't giving me the option to delete the post.
 
19TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 13:06 		Okay, I tried to several times and it's just not giving me the option. I have pasted several placeholders so maybe Guru took away my ability to delete posts for a bit so I don't delete the wrong ones. Maybe a moderator can delete it for me.

Ender, I am sure that is what happened. I almost posted as deepsnapper after putting in some placeholders with other players names listed.
 
20Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 13:16 		I'll be picking, then I'll leave a Q with you TB if that's OK. I'll be gone most of the afternoon.
 
31Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 18:13 		I've been away almost all day. Two trips to the Cleveland airport, yada, yada, long story, very tired.

I don't know what's needed in the rationale thread, but will deal with it later, if needed.

Meanwhile, the plan has been to post your rationale exactly 2 rounds after each pick. That allows us to keep in sequence as much as possible, without the need for placeolders. (Placeholders are a pain in the ass to deal with.)

So, to the extent possible, stay current with your rationales, and don't jump ahead.

 
33Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:04 		If you are unable to self-edit anything, the most likely reason is that your ID has been changed (either the cookie was reset, or your browser just can't remember without a reboot in the ass.)

As a GuruPatron, you can reset your ID if it changes. See the GuruPatron validation link in the second dropdown menu.
 
34TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 21:10 		I can post and then immediately try to self edit to delete and it does not offer me the option.
 
35Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 22:33 		That's exactly what's happening to me too, TB.
 
36Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 21, 2004, 22:39 		Hmmmm....

I don't know why that should happen. It's working fine for me.
 
37Sludge
      ID: 24914721
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 05:15 		So, to the extent possible, stay current with your rationales, and don't jump ahead.

Yes, yes. Sorry. My fault.

Of course, I like to look at it this way: At least I'm being scolded for being too eager in posting rationales as opposed to the reverse.
 
38Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 09:36 		The only rationale missing from the 1st five rounds is Larry Fitzgerald (PD- round 5).

The only missing from round 6 is David Givens (Taxman).

There are a few still out for round 7.

Overall, a very good job of staying current. Thanks.
 
39Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 12:07 		Will post that in a bit, Guru. Thought I'd done it with the others last night for 1-5.
 
41Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 15:23 		Testing the edit function
 
42Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 15:50 		I guess I should have put in a 24 hour clock, instead of turning it off. I didn't figure I'd need it.
 
43TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 16:01 		With a 24 hour clock, he would still have until after 8 pm tonight to pick. I have a very busy work week coming up after Monday and will spend lots of it on the road. I was hoping to get a couple more rounds knocked out so I wasn't relying on a queue for half of my draft.
 
45Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 18:11 		I don't know why the edit function is not working for some. I won't be able to troubleshoot it until I get back home (a week from now).
 
46GoatLocker
      ID: 205472715
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 18:28 		TB,
Just got back from off the road and picked.
Will be checking frequently now until the end of the draft.

Cliff
 
47Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 19:08 		GL, we all know you have a life. We're just impatient :)
 
49Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 21:30 		OK, I drafted Nick Barnett. Sorry I took so long; I really had to think alot on this pick.

You're up, deepsnapper.
 
51Challenger
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      ID: 481126818
      Sun, Aug 22, 2004, 22:47 		Edit function works just fine for me as post #50 is gone
 
52culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 08:28 		I think someone picked the wrong Donnie Edwards for me, the Donnie Edwards I wanted at 7.02 was the linebacker from SD. Thanks.
 
56Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:18 		Sorry Mike, I thought I had given you more time this time around. I would have gladly let you put those placeholders in place ahead of us. :)

While I was inputting those placeholders, I was reminded I forgot to thank Sludge for doing those he did ahead of me Saturday.

Thank you Sludge! :)

Truthfully, I almost forgot after I drafted. I was heading over to work on a different project and stop by the forum when I realized it.
 
57Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 12:30 		I'm going to be away (Tribe-Yankees at the Jake) from about 4:30-midnight. Cosequently, I'm not a good choice for handling anyone's queue later today.
 
61culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 20:26 		haven't heard from legge all day, we have been trading a semi large amount of daytime email traffic and today he didn't respond...
 
62leggestand
      ID: 9649128
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 20:49 		I am back, and will make my pick shortly. Sent a queue to Guru, but he has been gone since my turn came up.
 
64TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 21:24 		I don't know if it is proper etiquette or okay to talk about other managers rationales, but Minor getting 1100 yards? Buuuwwwaaahhhaaaaa

Okay, go ahead and dog me out for taking Gannon who will probably be a salary cap casualty right before the season starts…..lol....I am a homer. No excuse on that one.

Culdeus, I knew you were going to take Lloyd and, of course, we both had him rated as the highest VB player on the board, but I had to have Gannon. I can't fully explain it, but something bad was going to happen if I didn't draft Gannon.

Early in the draft before you snagged both LB, I sent a queue to Motley Crue and had it go TB Def, Sharper, D. Edwards, and then Brooking. When I saw you grab Sharper with the pick you got from legge, I tried to call him and tell him to switch my top two and then decided to just roll with it. Those two picks might just turn out real huge for you if the projections we are using turn out close to accurate.
 
65TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Mon, Aug 23, 2004, 21:29 		leggestand , I just want you to know that I was just teasing with my last post and please don't get too grumpy with me. =)
 
66leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 08:08 		TB, I have to be optimistic! I don't think it is unreasonable for Minor to get like 750 rushing yards and 350 receiving yards, unless of course the Dolphins find a RB to supplant him. At his preseason rate, though, he would be on pace for about 92 yards by the end of the season.
 
67deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 08:12 		Give me about 10 minutes to uncross my eyes with soe coffee & I'll be able to pick.
 
68Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:28 		I think I have updated all of the rationales that were submitted so far. Let me know if I missed anything.
 
69Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:38 		Motley, you just scooped my intended pick out from under me again!
 
70Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:43 		To quote TB:

Buuuwwwaaahhhaaaaa!


So, you are telling me I've done this to you before?

Now that trade I offered way back when is starting to look pretty good, huh?
 
71deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:52 		hey MC give a guy 10 minutes dude. damn
 
72deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:53 		that really pisses me off to tell you the truth. who do you think you are?
 
73leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:54 		Did I miss something?
 
74leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 09:54 		lol, now I see why.
 
76deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 10:07 		You can jump all the placeholers you like MC. Have it you way. I'll post my rationale and then pick for that matter. I thought the draft was the iportatnt part. Just so long as you're happy. Not a problem.
 
77deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 10:10 		and if you knew how hard this was for me you wouldn't be giving me all the crap either.
 
79TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 12:11 		Popped on to see where we are at. I just sent a queue to Motley Crue. If it makes me to me and I haven't picked within an hour he should pick for me. I have my rationales done for 10th and 11th round, but will have to post them when I get home tonight. Thanks in advance for the placeholder.
 
82leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 16:23 		Quick question: Do we need to start 1 DB? I didn't think we had to, but I can't find where I can confirm this.
 
83Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 16:41 		No. You have to start 3 IDP, of which at least one must be a DL.
 
84culdeus@smu
      ID: 406391518
      Tue, Aug 24, 2004, 17:01 		I'll trade anyone Darren Sharper for any future pick, best offer will be taken. I wrote down we were starting 3 IDPs. I (well DD) has him as the #2 DB overall and I took him at 11.01

I really need these drafts to get the kinks out. I doubt this will cost me any future games but I have only myself to blame.
 
91Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:01 		will pick in about 15.
 
92Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:22 		OK, picked up my second QB in Palmer.
 
93Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 10:41 		PD, I hate to admit it, but I like that pick quite a lot. I was considering taking Palmer myself at some point. The Bengals have the weapons, and he is a #1 draft pick. We'll see, but I am thinking good things will be happening for Palmer soon.

Sludge, Tom (TB) has me set up as a designated drafter, but he left me no queue. Are you going to pick for him?
 
94Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 11:33 		Thanks, MC. The more I looked at him, the better he looked. Lots up upside. I would never have him as a 1st QB at this point, but he looks pretty good.
 
95 Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 11:47 		MOtely Crue

I have the pick for TB...send me your e-mail address and I will fwd it to you.
 
96Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 11:51 		...the rest of the conversation...

TB said that if SLUDGE didn't ck his e-mail, he will not know that he received TB's que. TB was going to try and scab a few minutes on a computer, but he's on the road and that could be a problem.
 
97Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:03 		OK, e-mail sent, Taxman. Awaiting General TB's orders.
 
98Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 12:17 		I just went to Fanball and they totally changed their webpage layout. I thought I went to the wrong site--I went up to my favorites and pulled it down again. And sure enough they just changed over the whole thing.
 
99Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:13 		Who wound up picking for TB?
 
100Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:25 		I think I just learned something: I tried to delete through self-edit a post in another thread and the option is not available. It must be because I used a different computer to post that message. It isn't recognizing that I am the same person who made that post.

Is there an easy solution to this situation?
 
101Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 13:34 		It is because you were on another computer. The Self Edit function is tied to your ID which is different on different computers (related to cookies).
 
102Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 14:11 		GuruPatrons can synch their IDs on multiple computers, which should allow self-edit from any. But some people are currently unable to self-edit even from the same computer, for reasons I don't understand. I'm going to look into that when I get home next week.
 
103Sludge
      ID: 54692111
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 14:54 		Sorry I wasn't around earlier. Had a 7:50 tee time then hit a bucket of balls to try and figure out what was going wrong with my driver. Apparently I was just sucking on the course because I hit it fine on the range.

BTW, I already posted a notice in the rationale thread, but Sharper was the 14th pick of the 10th round, not the 1st pick of the 11th.
 
104leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 17:58 		I like that pick Taxman...My 12.05 choice was between Randle El and Gage.
 
105leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 18:00 		Guru, just FYI, At our Fanball League site, Mike Barrow has been put on my team, but he is actually on Sludge's team.
 
106culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 18:32 		wow things dramatically slowed down today, hope this isn't a trend.
 
107Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 18:41 		*cough*
TB
*cough, cough*
Perm Dude

*cough*
 
108TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 18:57 		I jumped on and was able to make the pick. The only reason I left it with Sludge was he picked after me and I figued he could just pick mine real quick before picking his.

It took me a second to figure out what the *coughing* was for. I did give an early heads up that I would be on the road today, left a queue with Sludge AND I talked with Donny on the phone and told him who I wanted. Thought I had my bases covered. I know you are just teasing, though, because the top order of the draft hasn't been the laggards. =)
 
109Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 19:18 		? I'm not clear on the coughing, sorry. Have I been holding things up?
 
110Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 19:23 		It would be a good idea for each of you to review your fanball roster to confirm that it is accurate. I've been keeping up pretty well, but I may have missed someone, or misallocated someone.
 
111TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 19:27 		I just called Motley Crue, PD. He was just busting our chops for today. =)
 
113Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 20:06 		I have a queue for Round 13 from cEHp, but no one listed is still available. So, I guess we need to wait for him.
 
114deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 22:12 		The problem with my left eye ended up being a blood vessel that burst last week on the retina & my surgeon perfomed emergency laser surgery at 2pm this afternoon to try and close it. He hit me with about 120 shots from his laser "gun".

It's not as bad as the detatched retina was in the right eye earlier in the year (yet), but it's bleeding so bad he could only seal off 40% of it because of all the blood still in it from last week. I'll know more in a couple of weeks when he fries me again unless I get another major bleed before then.

I won't be able to sit at the PC very much for the next couple of days, but I'll check in as often as I can. I'm on AIM "deepsnappe" and pfb has been nailing me when it's been my turn (thanks). If anyone has a good calling plan, I can give you my phone #, otherwise, I'll check in as often as I can.
 
115TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 22:33 		I have a great calling plan (free) and I sent you my toll free number. If you lost it, let me know and I will email it to you again.
 
116deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 23:05 		TB - It's best if you sent it again. It's filed, but the less reading I do for the next couple of days the better off I am.

FWIW, I had difficulty getting OTC to accept Green Bay & Packers in the 2 boxes as valid. They were my first choice and I kept trying variations on Green & Bay, Green Bay & Defense, Green Bay Packers & Defense and I kept getting STOP signs. I don't think I'm that blind yet, but it finally took the original about the 3rd try at it. weird.
 
117TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 23:07 		Okay, will send # again.

Not really sure about how to put defense in there correctly. I got the stop sign when I took mine and chose PD's for him, but it let me pick them anyway.
 
119 deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Aug 25, 2004, 23:10 		Thanks TB, I'll turn it around to you
 
121Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 08:58 		I just posted a placeholder for 11.08 for Taxman, so Ender's 11.09 can go up. Then we need another placeholder for CP at 11.10, and then we can post Roy's 11.11 above. I will place my 11.12 hereunder.

Sorry I took so long to pick this time. I am starting to get paranoid about some of the players I want and I am trying to think as hard as I can about who you all are going to take and trying to get them first. Hahahahahah!
 
123TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 10:53 		I like the Northcutt pick...even though it took you *cough* ten hours *cough* to make the pick.

=)
 
124Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 10:56 		I also had Northcutt on my radar - although I wasn't planning on picking him this time around - primarily due to other needs.
 
125TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 11:06 		MC is certainly helping to make my next pick easier as he quickly takes two off a short list with his last picks. Glad to see you get your Wheatley insurance. ;)
 
126deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 11:19 		5 min is all I need unless I bump my head or something stupid. Thanks for the call TB
 
127Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 11:21 		Baldwin is telling me that Fargas is the second coming of Clinton Portis.

I honestly cannot believe that you didn't take him already, you Raider maniac.
 
128deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 11:31 		You can't believe Baldwin - he's from Chicago. All he knows is wind
 
129TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 11:51 		I wanted him, just like I wanted Northcutt and about 50 other players who have been taken and and another 50 who are still on the board. I think I needed more draft slots per round and a bench of about 88. Maybe we can make those changes for my team next time.
 
130Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 11:56 		Agreed, TB. This part of the draft can be agonizing because it can be a tough call as to who is going to make it back to you (no matter what piece of software you use, right MC?). Plus, I don't have my tracker here at school so I'm a bit handicapped as far as value goes and I have to grab who I think I need most and have probably missed a few nice pickups the last few days. My night time picks are much more researched (IMO).

It would be so much easier if we got 2 picks in each slot. It might be interesting to have a draft that way, but the first few guys would be pretty stacked (even if you had a rule that would exclude taking 2 guys of the same position). Perhaps if you went one slot in the first round then 2 from there on out. Maybe that would still be too soon. Ah well, I still think it's an intriguing idea...
 
131TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 12:01 		I was just talking about me. You still get one pick per round, I get 4. Much better. ;)
 
134Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 13:29 		Incidentally, the clock quit running last night when it was my turn to pick. When I got up this morning, it said I had 7.5 hours to go, TB. I did take a few hours to think about it, and I was talking to Baldwin. I still picked in under 3 hours of alloted time.

These are very important choices right now. Someone could be drafting this year's version of Boldin.
 
135TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 14:32 		Boldin went undrafted in most leagues last year. There is a good chance that the team that really sucks the most in the first week will be getting this year's Boldin from the waiver wire after week one.

10 hours is 10 hours. I am worried a bit that you were dreaming of Northcutt.

lol
 
136Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 14:47 		I turn the clock off each night between 11-midnight.

I turn it back on again when I get up. I slept in until about 8 this morning.

Lately, when I turn the clock back on, it is forcing me to reset the clock back to 8 hours. Last week, it was letting me pick up where it left off.

Fortunately, the clock has not been a major factor this draft.
 
137Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 14:54 		I know Boldin went undrafted in most drafts. It is my intention to find this year's version before he breaks out and draft him accordingly.

Sometimes that involves a few extra hours of research.

It's too bad we can't input draft queues like at AntSports. Then you could make a very short list and if you're guy is there, the draft continues. And if he's not, well you still have the 8 hours.

I would love to finish this draft this weekend. I have the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen draft Sunday afternoon, and a local league live draft Monday night. It would be nice not to have to worry about these damn IDP's after Saturday.
 
138leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 15:05 		I am going to be gone all Saturday and part of Sunday at an out of town fantasy draft. I plan on leaving a two round queue when I leave Saturday morning, but I don't think I will be able to predict any further than that.
 
139Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 15:05 		Congrats to Taxman for being the first person in this draft to take someone on offense who I didn't have in my rankings.

Jermaine Wiggins, deep sleeper. I actually did read about him this summer. I look forward to the rationale on that pick.
 
141TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 16:08 		We all need to lighten up on the whole rationale thing. PD skipped me once before I even picked, but I just went outside and beat up my neighbor. Great way to vent a little frustration, eh? No real harm for being a little eager. I decided to post my rationales before making my pick (when I am at home) so it didn't happen again. I can't speak for everyone, but this draft has been a blast so far. I am so eager to make my next pick and swear I refresh the kafenatid page about 300 times a day.
 
142TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 16:31 		Speaking of rationales. From the first 10 rounds, we are still missing:
Challenger 8.07 Mike Vanderjagt K IND
PD 10.13 Greg Wesley DB KAN
Culdeus 11.01 Mike Anderson RB DEN (You listed 10.14 Darren Sharper DB GNB as 11.01 in the new thread so can probably get away with calling Anderson 10.14 and inserting the rationale into the 6-10 thread)
 
143culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 17:53 		yeah, I was waiting for all the other ones to get in and throw it in, I sort of wrote it up in the DD thread.
 
144Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 18:04 		Will catch up on rationales later tonight. Just spent much of the day at my dog's oncologist--not good news, unfortunately.
 
145culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 18:38 		Ok, start up the laughing Q is off the board.
 
147TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 18:58 		Sorry to hear bad news about your dog, PD.

I thought Q was a good pick in that spot, Culdeus. Put a placeholder for PD in the rationale thread and go ahead and post your own rationales.

Looking at my team now, I wish we had 2 more bench slots. I just mapped out what I would like to have on my team and I am coming up at least one slot short.
 
148Sludge
      ID: 54692111
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:02 		Ok, start up the laughing Q is off the board.

When I read this, I thought you meant Quincy Carter. THAT would have been funny.

I wouldn't laugh at your selection of Quincy Morgan with your 15th round pick. Any WR/RB/QB that's selected at this point is a pure gamble in one way or another anyway.
 
149leggestand
      ID: 9649128
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:05 		I'm sorry to hear about your dog, PD.
 
150Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:10 		That's a whole lot better than when you wanted 80 slots :)

PD, I'm sorry as well.
 
151TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:16 		LOL Ender. MC makes fun of me because I call him when someone drafts somebody I wanted and he tells me, "You want everyone." Maybe not everyone, but I am sorta greedy.
 
152Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:23 		Thanks, guys.

Am sorting through the dross--should have someone pop to the top in a few minutes.
 
153TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:31 		I absolutely cannot believe you took Scobey. I was looking back at the players I was hoping to grab in later rounds who were taken earlier than I wanted them to go. I decided that I wouldn't make that mistake and was going to draft Scobey now. Grrr
 
154Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:32 		He's my Emmitt Smith insurance!
 
155TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 19:35 		It was a great pick. He is solid as a kick returner, could see some carries this year, and would have given me perfect insurance for my RB3/4 slot. I am rethinking what I want to do now.
 
156leggestand
      ID: 9649128
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 20:39 		Wow, I can't believe you took Scobey either, PD. I had him on a queue to Guru about 4 rounds ago, and then decided that I could probably wait until Round 17-18 to get him. He had like 1700 return yards last year and should get some rushing attempts this season.
 
157Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 20:42 		I wasn't sure I was going to go with a pure return guy, and was waiting and waiting to see if the Cards were going to bring in someone (like Jackson of the Browns). He seems like he'll get more than a handful of offensive touches, and with Emmitt "Griffey" Smith you never know if he'll go 16 games or 2.

pd
 
158Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 20:58 		Ah ah ah, no talking about undrafted plaaaaayers.
 
159Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 22:11 		OK, now you can talk about Jackson. Is he perhaps the next starting RB for the Miami Dolphins?
 
160Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 22:17 		Sorry--thought he was picked up already, but I was confusing this and the 24 team draft.
 
161Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 22:27 		I'm going to bed. If my turn comes up I will pick bright and early.

We only have 5.5 more rounds to go. That's actually pretty good. We really should press tomorrow--I think we could get it done by Saturday morning if guys will just commit to checking in every hour or so. I know most of us are doing this already.
 
162culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Thu, Aug 26, 2004, 22:47 		I'm out all of Sunday most likely but if I have to leave like a 60 person q I can do so.
 
163Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 09:28 		I'll be away for about 12 hours on Saturday (roughly 9-9). Driving back from Ohio to Connecticut.

I'll try to put together some queues today. Who will be around to handle queues on Saturday?
 
164leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 09:34 		I will be gone all day Saturday, and part of Sunday, so, I will need someone to handle a queue as well.
 
165Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 09:37 		I should be around all weekend. Heading out the door again now. Will be back in a couple hours.
 
166Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 10:24 		I will be here this weekend, too. But starting at 4 EST on Sunday, I am drafting live for a few hours and will be pretty much unavailable.

If someone wants me to babysit their queue I can do it.
 
168deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 12:23 		Give me about 10 minutes and I'll have a pick.
 
169TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 12:38 		I will be around all weekend. I have that same live draft with MC and deepsnapper on Sunday and have another one on Saturday night. I will accept any queues or feel free to email me a phone number, set me up as a designated picker, and I will call you when your turn comes up, tell you who has been drafted and make a selection for you.

Tom's Drafting Service is free for the next 30 days. =)
 
170deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 13:13 		Fred - very sorry to hear about your pup. When we lost our Golden, Maxie, to heart cancer in Feb 2002, it was devastating to Lavon and I. The guys over in the Political forum posted several thoughtful comments (hard as that is to believe) in a thread I opened at that time. I'll try and dig it up. My prayers are with you and the family. Dogs are people too.
 
171leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:05 		MC, what is your email address? I would like to send you my queue, but since it is 5 rounds long, I'd like to attach it as an Excel file rather than trying to give instructions through OTC.
 
172 Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:19 		Oh crap, dude. I don't have Excel at home. I wouldn't be able to open it.

If you want to send it to me now, I might be able to print it out while I'm at work.

 
173leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:24 		Just sent it over to you MC. The first email, though, I forgot to attach it. Let me know if this works. I will be around until 6:15 tonight, so, until then you shouldn't need to make picks for me. After that, though, please make my picks through Sunday till about 1pm.
 
174Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:36 		I got it.

You want to e-mail me your cell number so I can call you before I pick from the cue, or are you comfortable just leaving it with me?
 
175leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 15:43 		I am fine just leaving it with you. Thanks for taking care of it for me.
 
176Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 17:32 		We are stuck here ..again..

I'll will give my que to TB and if it gets past this pick before i return in a few hours
 
177culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 18:32 		guru has my picks for the turn.
 
178Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 19:40 		But, if we don't get to the turn before about 8am tomorrow morning, I will not be around to execute them.
 
179TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 20:14 		Taxman didn't email me his queue. I am going to the movies and will be back in 3 hours.

TB
 
180Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 21:44 		Uhhhh, just found out Tax also set me up as a picker but I have no que from him either.

Had my daughter checking in to tell me who was scheduled to pick.........

 
181TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 22:45 		Just got off the phone with Donny and made his pick: Drew Brees.

Went and saw I, Robot with Will Smith. Good movie. Action packed and funny.
 
182Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 23:23 		I picked for leggestand. He sent me very thorough and detailed instructions.
 
183TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 23:44 		I was posting placeholders for rationales and I am not sure if I got dizzy or if someone else got the same idea as me.
 
184Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Fri, Aug 27, 2004, 23:49 		Shhhh! I don't want to get gritched at again!
 
185TB, Rationale Deputy
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:00 		I realized that I needed to put a placeholder for Taxman at about the same time you started posting them, lol. I think it gave me some kind of internet Deja Vu vertigo. Then again, maybe I ate too much popcorn.

[Barney Fife voice]
Those of you making your own picks, please post your rationale before making your pick. If you feel like you will be giving away your deep draft secrets, then please post your own placeholder. [/Barney Fife voice]
 
186TB, Rationale Deputy
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:02 		If you delete my 51 and 52, I will make a 54 for legge.
 
188TB, Rationale Deputy
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:03 		LOL, If I had some beer and you lived close, I would bring one over and we could chuckle about this.
 
189Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:15 		If I didn't have this dial up connection I'd call you and enjoy that chuckle too. I don't think Okla is that close to ya
 
190TB, Rationale Deputy
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:24 		Ok is 5 minutes away. I live in Joplin MO (for about 3-4 more weeks).
 
191Challenger
      Donor
      ID: 481126818
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 00:38 		I think about 3 1/2 hours away to here in Edmond, north subard of Okc.
 
193TB, Rationale Deputy
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 01:59 		lol
 
197Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 11:49 		I'd just like to remind everybody that we can't all sit at the PC refreshing until it's our turn to pick. And when it is our pick, sometimes we only have 5 minutes to spare to make it.

I have made some of my picks within minutes of the previous pick, but at times life, work, and family "get in the way" and it has been much longer.

We are on great pace to finish this thing and nobody needs to get surly to get it done. Let's all relax and enjoy the game :)
 
200deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:02 		Trapped by 2 women ATM eating (slow eaters) It'll take 20 min. to get free.
 
203deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:36 		a numnut of top of everything else. ;)
 
204TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 14:58 		Eric sent me his queue. Only problem is my work email server is down. I am 99.9% sure who he told me to get, but give me a few while they try to bring the server back online. Once I make his pick, I will call PD so he can pick for Guru and then it will be back to you Cliff.
 
205TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 15:04 		I just called his brother-in-law and had him read the sent email to me...lol. Making the pick now.
 
206TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 15:09 		(Eric, when you read this later on, I was sure it was Hollings, but wanted to be certain)

I was looking at the ID's it is posting from my computers:
31811922 from work.
031811922 from home

The posts with a zero in front of I cannot self-edit.
 
207GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:46 		OK, I picked.
Back to whoever has Guru's queue.

Cliff
 
209deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 16:57 		You can thank me later TB, I really did need a WR more than that other player. ;)
 
210TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 18:12 		Evans a good pick. Lots of upside.
 
212Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 19:36 		Back home again. Thanks to PD for handling my queue.

I'll attend to the rationale updates later tonight. Other more pressing items to attend to for the moment.
 
213Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 20:29 		Thanks to TB for the phone call to make those picks.
 
215Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 21:55 		Deion Sanders is not yet available in Fanball, so I assigned Frank Sanders to Perm Dude as a placeholder. If/when Deion is listed, PD can release Frank and pick up Deion without using a waiver claim.

If Frank Sanders is released and Deoin is not immediately added, then Deion is effectively released as well.
 
216TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 22:00 		I had to manually add him to the draft program I am using. Initially used Rod Woodson as a substitute. Figured they would both get about the same amount of fantasy points for the season. ;)
 
219Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sat, Aug 28, 2004, 23:07 		OK, Guru. He hasn't officially signed with Baltimore, but it sounds like it's just a matter of time. Getting my claim in early!
 
220culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 09:18 		I'm confused I thought we had three rounds, no less to post rationales?
 
222culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 10:09 		Will pick in <5 min, had to make/consume omlette.
 
223Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 10:15 		OK, I'll wait, then I'm off until about 1:30.

pd
 
224Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 11:11 		I'm here but I am going to go hit some golf balls for a couple of hours. I will pick for legge when I get back (around 1 EST).
 
227Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 14:48 		I think I corrected the self-edit problem. I think it only affected those whose ID started with a zero.

I'd appreciate it if those of you who had recent problems would try it now.
 
228Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 14:51 		It's fixed for me.
 
229TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 15:18 		Fixed for me too.
 
230culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 15:32 		ok 4 me
 
231leggestand
      ID: 9649128
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 16:37 		I am back in town, so, I will be able to make my 20th Round pick when it gets back to me. Motley, Thanks for taking care of my queue for me.

Delinquent rationales to follow...
 
233DurthSath
      ID: 58736522
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 18:30 		No problem, legge. Welcome back.
 
235Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:19 		We are nearing the end of the draft, so it's time to think about post-draft ground rules.

I would like to put all undrafted players on waivers for 48 hours. After 48 hours, waiver claims would be processed in inverse draft order. After that, unclaimed players would become free agents.

I'm not sure what the Fanball system will allow in this regard. Some of this may require manual administration. I've submitted a support request to learn about the art of the possible, and will let you know.

Meanwhile, are there other preseason issues that should be addressed?
 
236TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:20 		Post draft players should all be free agents. Waiver claims shouldn't begin until after the first week of games.
 
238Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:31 		Do others agree with TB [236]?

 
239Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:43 		We'll end the draft long before game 1. A 48-hour waiver period to clean up the draft, inverse draft order, seems reasonable. By the time Game 1 rolls around all players not on teams will be FAs anyway.
 
240TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 20:55 		Doesn't matter to me either way. I plan on starting the season with the team I drafted. Most leagues I am in (like the two I just finished drafting for on fanball) have every player available as free agents right after the draft.
 
241Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:31 		I think there should be a waiver period following the draft.
 
242leggestand
      ID: 9649128
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:33 		Personally, I would rather have everyone on waivers until after Week 1. This would keep people from "winning the race" to the cpu if a big starter goes down in the last preseason games.
 
243Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:43 		I think we should be able to make changes prior to week 1, but the first 48 hours should be by waiver priority. If players make it through then they're anyone's property.

I agree that players should be put on waivers each week that way it's not a race to the PC to scoop up any stat grabbers.

We can do both, leggestand.
 
244Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:46 		The waiver priority process following the first game is already set. I'm just trying to figure out what (if any) rules/guidelines we need to establish prior to game 1.
 
245leggestand
      ID: 9649128
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 21:53 		But, if the draft ends tomorrow, then everyone is a free agent by Wednesday/Thursday of this week, but there are more preseason games this weekend.

For lack of a better example, and for the sake of not using names of undrafted players, pretend Steven Jackson is not drafted. If Marshall Faulk goes down this weekend, then most people would like to get Steven Jackson. But since everyone is a free agent, only the fastest to the cpu will get him. Maybe I am missing something, though?

I understand how the season waiver process will work, I am more concerned with any injuries that occur this weekend.
 
246Ender
      ID: 0442215
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:10 		I understand what you are saying now. Perhaps everyone should be on waivers until all preseason games are done (When is that? I haven't looked)? Is there a different solution?
 
247Motley Crue
      ID: 58736522
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:11 		I just picked. I was watching a DVD and just checked in. Sorry to hold things up.

Incidentally, I just watched "The Girl Next Door".

If you are a fan of Elisha Cuthbert (from 24), watch this movie. Great, funny, Guy Movie. Lots of racy comedy and I loved it.
 
248Sludge
      ID: 24914721
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:44 		Waiver period. If only to allow everyone a chance to sit back, look at their teams and the list of available players and make decisions without having to worry about sitting at their computer the minute Guru opens up the market.
 
249GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 22:44 		I think it should be a waiver window all the way through.

Cliff
 
250TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Aug 29, 2004, 23:34 		I can live with Guru's 48 hours, but after that we should be able to make any changes we want to. At some point before the season starts, every player needs to be made available. No need to wait until after preseason. If that was the case, why not wait until after preseason was over and have a nice fast draft?

Maybe I don't like the injury report on my TE and want to change to someone else. With your guys suggestion, when exactly are people supposed to clear waivers and how will you know who anyone put a waiver claim on? Are we going to have a waivers clearing every 2 days?

I seriously hope nobody is suggesting that we announce who we want so that someone with lower priority can come in and say, "Hey, I want that player too."
 
251culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 08:29 		*Compromise Alert*

Put in claims but the actual waiver period will be one time 24-48hrs before the first game. Prevents ins and outs which in my experience happens alot before the start of the season with all the last minute buzz coming out of camp wrap-ups etc.

If one of my teen rounded players gets a 6 week injury I'd like to go ahead and fix it and not risk getting stuck with a bad order week 2.
 
252culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 08:31 		I would also reject inverse draft order to start since the number of rounds were even. And that's not to promote myself as the #1 claimant it's just what is fair.
 
253leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 08:43 		I like Culdeus' idea where everyone would clear waivers 24-48 hours before opening kickoff (waivers would clear approximately next Tuesday).
 
257Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:02 		Having the first choice in the draft and having the first Waiver selection at the end of a draft is absolutely unfair, and is so imbalanced, it doesn't deserve comment.

Never-the less, I will comment. Baloney!

If you wanted the first waiver spot, you should have selected the 14th and final draft position, instead of the first. I've yet to see a draft, snake or otherwise, that did not set the waiver selection in an order inverse to the draft order. It is the historical booby prize for going last in the draft.

I'm in the middle either way, but cannot keep my trap shut when an incorrect, self-serving statement about fairness comes along.
 
259culdeus
      Leader
      ID: 43105818
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:09 		Self serving? There are an even number of rounds if the draft kept rolling the 1st spot would get the next pick. Instead the back of the draft now gets the first pick even though they got to pick first in the last round.
 
261Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:16 		culdeus,

Your logic assumes that the picks from one round to the next are worth the same thing. That's not true, IMO. For example, first pick in round 10 is more valuable (theoretically) than first pick in round 11.

Obviously you aren't trying to get the waiver process rigged to help yourself, but everyone has their own interests foremost in mind.

I say Guru decides and we just go with it. Normally, all players are free agents after the draft and before the season starts. I think all this fretting about players getting hurt is a little excessive, but Guru should make the call. There's no reason to get into an argument about this.
 
262Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:18 		TB, I'm not sure where you got that last idea. Nobody even came anywhere close to suggesting that waiver proposals be publically posted.

culdeus, I don't think your compromise was a compromise at all, I think it is what leggestand was getting at. Having a post-draft waiver period that ended at say Thursday before Week #1 seems logical to me. It gives the benefit of all late/post camp news to everyone who is willing to take the time to research it. It also allows a couple of days of free-for-all at the end.
 
264Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:32 		I want to make a couple of notes on my posts in the last 24 hours.

1) That was me in 233 above, leggestand. I was doing the Exit42 draft while checking in here periodically, and my brother was using the same computer to draft. He posted in another thread and I forgot to change my handle back before I posted that one. Also, sorry about drafting Longwell as a QB. It was late and I wasn't paying attention. I noticed it later and tried to change him to a PK, but it wouldn't let me. I see you fixed it, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

2) I just noticed I posted a placeholder for Jason Hanson for pick 18.03, when I should have posted for Antonio Gates. Trying to do too much at once. I was picking Hanson, and instead of remembering that I was supposed to go back two picks and post, I just stuck in the name that was in my head. D'oh!

3) Then just now I accidentally posted a past rationale in the rationale thread in the completely wrong spot. I deleted it, but MAN! am I having problems.

I definitely have a nasty case of draft fever!
 
265Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:42 		I do believe that inverse draft order is better than draft order, in spite of the fact that we had an even number of rounds.

There was a clear bias in draft order selection for picking early, suggesting that those picking early had an advantage. Reversing the order for preseason waivers would offset some of that advantage.

It appears that the final preseason game is this coming Friday, so I would suggest that we keep all players frozen on waivers until sometime after that - perhaps some time on Sunday. At that time, waiver claims would be processed, and then all players would become free agents.

On the assumption that Fanball may not provide an automated approach to this, let me suggest the following. I will set up a separate email address for waiver claims only. If you want to claim one or more undrafted players, send your claim (including the player(s) to be dropped, of course) to this address. When we reach the waiver time, I'll check that email address and process any claims. Results will be posted here, after which all unclaimed players will be considered free agents.

You'll have to trust me not to peek at the claims if I decide to claim someone for my roster.

Questions:
1. If some teams submit multiple waiver claims, should the claim priority snake for the second round?
2. Should any players dropped through the claim process be subject to a new waiver claim period? Or can they be immediately released into free agency? During the season, dropped players will go onto waivers, but I'm not sure if that would happen automatically for preseason drops.
3. What time should the claim processing and free agency release take place? I'd suggest something on Sunday afternoon - perhaps 3pm ET? (I will be away on Saturday, so that day is out.)
 
267Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:56 		By the way, I will work on inserting the laggard rationales later today - probably this afternoon. Thanks to everyone for working on getting caught up.
 
268Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 09:58 		I just received confirmation from Fanball that any waiver claims processing during preseason must be administered manually, as I suspected.
 
269TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 10:54 		Ender- TB, I'm not sure where you got that last idea. Nobody even came anywhere close to suggesting that waiver proposals be publically posted.

Guru's post 265 confirmed what I believed. I have never been a league where every undrafted player wasn't a free agent as soon as the draft was over. I wasn't sure how it would be done, but looks like it will be on the honor system. Nobody gets to just go grab a player.

We have all had equal opportunity to draft 20 players. Right now, I have no incentive to make my 20th selection before the last preseason game is over, because I will not be able to make any adustments to my roster. Big deal if I get passed by two teams. What if Gannon is cut right after the last preseason game? You don't think I wouldn't want to race on here, dump him, and grab his current back-up? I spent an 8 round pick on Gannon. That is much higher than a 21st round pick (waiver wire selection). (Don't get me wrong on the 20th selection- I would not want to have Guru mad at me or just assign me a player, but I will take my time to make that last selection)

I am sure the example I provided above applies to every team who drafted. I am 100% positive I don't want to be waiting right up until the first game starts to make changes to my roster if a player is hurt, cut, or suspended.

For the record, we all got to pick our draft position. Even though I drafted 3rd, I didn't get to pick my spot until 9th. If we absolutely must have a post-draft waiver priority, I think it should go inverse of that selection process, with Guru getting first choice.
 
270Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 11:02 		That's an excellent point, TB. You could just wait it out and pick whenever you're ready.

The draft doesn't have an official "end time" other than the first day of the season, as far as I can tell.

And you should be worried about Gannon. I just read they were going to cut him! J/K.
 
271Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 11:17 		I'm not sure why you quoted that line. He still doesn't say they will be publically posted. At worst one person could see them and if you don't trust him, why join this league?

I think there is some merit to your suggestion regarding the initial position draft. I haven't given it serious thought.

I still like the idea of a waiver period rather than a dump to free agency. With the internet being what it is I just don't think the person with the fastest connection or fastest finger should get a guy. I have had it happen in other leagues. I see it as the same as a need for a waiver period each Sunday.
 
272leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 11:34 		What if Gannon is cut right after the last preseason game? You don't think I wouldn't want to race on here, dump him, and grab his current back-up?

My point is, why should you have the rights to Gannon's back up? Everyone should have an equal chance to get him, per their waiver priority. For example, this weekend is Labor Day Weekend and I will be gone for most of it. If one of my players goes down Friday night (during the last preseason games), there is a good chance I wouldn't put a claim in for him until Saturday afternoon. If everyone is a free agent, then I am almost guaranteed to not get his replacement.



If we absolutely must have a post-draft waiver priority, I think it should go inverse of that selection process, with Guru getting first choice.

I think this makes sense and is a good waiver suggestion.
 
273TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 11:55 		I quoted it because I didn't want you to think I was just tossing something out there without thought. I wasn't sure how it was going to be managed because I was pretty sure it couldn't be done on fanball. I just finished two drafts on fanball and have went in and traded out for two players that other teams dropped.

I wasn't sure how it would be handled and my first thought was a waiver priority thread. Emailing our waiver selections to Guru was not something I considered. I do not appreciate you questioning whether I trust Guru or assuming you have any right to question why I joined this league. I like you Ender, but that was out of line.
 
274Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 11:59 		Yeah, I thought about using the inverse of our draft2 pick order. I'm certainly amenable to that.

I don't think I've ever been in a league where all undrafted players don't go on waivers for some period immediately after the draft. I think that is the default method for ESPN and Yahoo leagues, at least those that I've been in.

TB raises a potential technical loophole if he (or anyone) waits until after Friday's games to make their final draft pick. As Commish, I'll close that by declaring that the draft is officially over at midnight on Wednesday (Sep 1). That is before this week's games, and is certainly way beyond the pace that we have been on. If any skipped picks are still vacant at that time, they must be filled via the waiver (or free agent) process, without any adjustment in waiver priority. In other words, there is no advantage to keeping a slot unfilled.
 
275Ender
      Donor
      ID: 013443221
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 12:44 		TB, no offense intended. The usual text vs speech problem. Of course you trust Guru, we all do. I was trying to imply that Guru's solution was satisfactory because no one would have a problem with it. I should have been more direct, I apologize.

 
276TB
      Leader
      ID: 31811922
      Mon, Aug 30, 2004, 13:14 		Apology easily accepted. Glad to know I was just reading it wrong.

Guru- I will make my pick by that time, provided it gets to me. During the regular season waivers process, is everyone available after 48 hours?

I was thinking, if we are going to have a post-draft waivers, maybe the fairest way is to just not allow any changes until after week one. That way we have a normal waivers system.

Anyone else already set their line-ups for week one?
 
299Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 31, 2004, 10:26 		I just worked on rationale updates. Here is the list of those still missing:

Perm Dude
14.13 Matt Stover K BAL
15.02 Josh Scobey RB ARI
17.02 Deion Sanders
18.13 Doug Gabriel
19.02 Earl Little
20.13 Labrandon Toefield

Mike V
16.08 Reggie Williams

Taxman
8.07 Mike Vanderjagt
18.07 Kevin Williams
19.08 Bobby Engram
20.07 Dorsey Levens
 
301Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 31, 2004, 10:39 		In addition to completing the rationales, RIFC managers should each do the following:

1. Consider posting any general reflections on the draft. A separate draft recap thread has been set up for this purpose.

2. Review your loaded roster at the Fanball site. I believe I have the entire draft loaded now, so if you are missing anyone, or have any incorrect players, please post them here.

3. As mentioned earlier, do not make any player add/drop transactions at Fanball until after waivers have cleared. You may set your opening lineups, however. I'll post a separate item on the preseason waiver process.

4. You are welcome to initiate trade offers at Fanball now.

5. If you have a chance, please review the league rules one more time to make sure than nothing has been overlooked, and raise questions now if anything is unclear.

Special thanks to those of you who stayed alert throughout the draft and kept it moving along, including those who handled queues for others, and those who provided queues. In general, I think the pace was exceptionally good.

Special thanks also to those who stayed current on rationale posting, and who kept the rationale threads moving by inserting placeholders when needed.
 
302Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 31, 2004, 10:50 		Pre-season waiver process:

Preseason waiver claims wil be processed on Sunday afternoon (Sept 5) at approximately 3pm ET. Waiver pickups will be posted here sometime between 3-4pm, after which everyone is free to make free agent pickups without restriction. Players who are dropped as part of a waiver claim will become free agents immediately. After the season starts, dropped players will be subject to normal 48 hour waiver rules, as previously agreed.

If you wish to submit a pre-season waiver claim, send an email to waiver@rotoguru2.com. Please use this special address for this purpose only, as I will not be peeking in these emails until 3pm Sunday. In the email, state the player you are requesting, and the player you would be dropping. If you have multiple claims, prioritize them as well.

Claims will be processed based on the inverse of our initial draft2 order, which follows:
1 Mike V
2 leggestand
3 Challenger
4 culdeus
5 Taxman
6 Perm Dude
7 Sludge
8 CanEHDian Pride
9 TB
10 Ender
11 Motley Crue
12 GoatLocker
13 deepsnapper
14 Guru

In other words, I will have the first waiver priority, followed by deepsnapper, then GoatLocker, etc. If more than one round of waiver claims is needed, the priorities will snake.

Hope this is clear and complete. Let me know if it isn't.
 
305deepsnapper
      Sustainer
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 31, 2004, 14:48 		Fred - re#137, I had a moment to find that Pol Forum thread from 2002, I still appreciate the words very much. OT - Do dogs go to heaven?

 
307GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Aug 31, 2004, 20:18 		Team looks good.

Cliff
 
310Motley Crue
      Leader
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Sep 01, 2004, 10:41 		I'm an idiot, I can't believe it took me that long to post my Hollings rationale. I had the damn thing written last week.

I just went into Fanball and set my starting lineups for Week 1. I just want to remind everyone to make sure you set a lineup (even if it's identical) for both games of the double header. I don't think the server takes the first lineup as a default for the second lineup. You have to do it manually.
 
311Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:49 		Perm Dude - you jumped the gun with your pickup of Minter. See the waiver process in post 302.

I'm going to jettison Minter and replace Sanders for now.
 
312Sludge
      ID: 54692111
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:51

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313Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:55 		Sorry, I was still thinking of the 48 hour waiver period with FAs afterward.

W/send you an email for the claim in a moment.

pd
 
314Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 14:59 		I just locked out everyone from being able to make free agent pickups for the time being. I'll release the restriction once waiver claims are processed on Sunday.

Note that the email address for waiver claims is waiver@rotoguru2.com. Someone already sent me one at my regular email address, so I wasn't able to avoid seeing it.
 
315cEHp
      ID: 5483825
      Thu, Sep 02, 2004, 21:41 		I picked up McCants but it was only because he was missing from my roster. Just wanted to clarify in case anyone was wondering.
 
316Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 08:08 		I was just informed (by my wife) that I have an afternoon commitment today. Consequently, I will not be processing the waiver claims and releasing free agents until some time this evening.

I will post a notice here when it's done. Sorry for the imprecision.
 
317Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 17:40 		Three waiver claims were just processed:

Perm Dude:
drop Deion Sanders
add Mike Minter

Ender:
drop Marcus Pollard
add Jim Kleinsasser

culdeus:
drop Mike Anderson
add Troy Hambick

All unclaimed players are now free agents, and may be added without restriction until 5 minutes before game time.
 
318TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 18:37 		I want to grab a couple players, but need more bench slots. Guess I will stand pat till after week one and see what happens.
 
319culdeus
      ID: 406391518
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 18:43 		"What do voluntary mean" -Troy Hambrick after missing a 'voluntary' mini-camp in Dallas in 2003.

What happens if THam beats out Emmitt for the spot in Arizona that he moved there specifically to get away from THam in Dallas and have a shot at a starting gig. Oh the irony.
 
320Perm Dude
      ID: 2343587
      Sun, Sep 05, 2004, 20:29 		Good luck with that--Emmitt is still the man!

Irony would be Hambrick again watching Emmitt get his starts.
 
321TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 15:24 		cEHp- Nice grab getting Morgan.

leggestand- I thought about dumping Collins to get Mahe, my original choice for the 20th round. Could be a great pick-up.
 
322leggestand
      Sustainer
      ID: 451036518
      Mon, Sep 06, 2004, 15:45 		TB, I'm glad you didn't pick Mahe up.

Once I saw that the Eagles cut Levens, I thought it would be wise to handcuff Westbrook. My backs aren't very deep, but I now have backups for my top two backs if either goes down, so, hopefully I will be okay.