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| Posted by: Ender
- [0442215] Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 21:51
Perhaps a new thread will spark new discussion. I anticipated more banter than we have had. I'm not sure the forum in general is even following the league.
I squeaked one out this week against leggestand. Dillon really hurt me as I didn't have anyone to start in his place. Rattay also almost cost me, but I had warning on that and was able to pickup Bledsoe as bandaid. Fortunately Martin was just good enough Monday night before getting yanked.
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| | | 1 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 21:55
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I thought I'd repost Guru's Standings page link for those who are interested.
Last week was the halfway point. I intend to go back and reread the draft recap thread just to see if things stack up the way we all thought they would.
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| | | 2 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 22:48
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Ha! Don't bother reading my slop. Henry has turned out to be like a bag of footballs. Pretty worthless.
Thanks for not rubbing it in that you beat me down this week, Ender. I just can't compete with my lineup. Although, I would have had a much better week if I hadn't left McGee and Price on the bench. But this has been one tough season. 14-team leagues have so little room for error, compared to 12-team leagues.
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| | | 3 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 23:16
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:)
Indeed, 14 teams doesn't sound like that much different than 12, but the cupboard is bare as far as in-season pickups go, especially in this league when everyone knows there stuff. Most of the quality pickups were actually drafted and socked away.
I don't blame you for leaving Price on your bench. I hadthe opportunity to pick him up off the wire this week in another league and passed in favor of Patten :P That didn't exactly work out, but it didn't cost me the game.
I still need to read the old thread, but I'm a little surprised at the standings. I expected you and TB to be doing better than you have so far. There's still time and injuries left to occur, but it's hard to radically change your roster at this point.
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| | | 4 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Tue, Nov 02, 2004, 23:36
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Oh my, please don't quote anything I said in the recap thread...lol. Injuries have really hurt my team all year. Smith and McAllister have been the big two, but Galloway, Gannon, and now Leftwich have all added to the ceaseless twitch I have developed over my right eye.
Team D and TE have been sore points for me most weeks and I can't seem to spark any trade discussion from any team who appears to need another solid RB (McAllister, Pittman, Droughns, or Johnson) in exchange for a top defense or TE.
I am setting up my claims now and optimistically expect to field a strong team from this point forward. Yes, I am still hanging onto a thread of hope that I can make it into the play-offs. I am in 5 leagues this year and drafted all my players (from different draft positions) valued the same. Two teams are atop the standings and three are near the bottom. I am still kicking myself for not grabbing Martin in the 3rd round instead of Smith. Of course, we would have all drafted differently with hindsight, doh!
I agree on disappointment with the lack of banter in this league. It's been tough to enjoy this season with the poor performance of my Raiders and the equally dismal performance of my RIFC team. I set myself up for disappointment with my lofty expectations from both. The board troll has also soured my enjoyment of visiting this site and another mutual league we share. Very trying for me. I have back-spaced dozens of negative replies and just stepped away from my desk.
Okay, anyone interested in upgrading at RB? I am looking for a serious upgrade at defense or TE.
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| | | 5 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 00:44
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Of my 4 fantasy teams this year, my RIFC team is by far my worst. I have a .500 or better record on the other 3. It's hard to talk smack when you expect to get shellacked.
TB, you need to ignore trolls and pop in here more often. I haven't heard from you in a long time. That new job of yours sucks!
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| | | 6 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 09:21
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Like MC, I am in 4 leagues, and this league is by far my worst. I have had some bad luck, though, as evidenced by my 1750 points against (2nd most in the league).
Losing to Ender was frustrating because I put up the 2nd most points of the week, but still lost by 1.4...if only my KC defense didn't give me a (-2).
The good thing about this league, though, is that I can still make the playoffs based on points. Right now, my record puts me in 10th, but I would still make the playoffs because my points put me in 8th (ahead of PD by 1 point). The other thing I got going for me is that all of my top players have had their bye weeks. So, hopefully I can generate some wins and increase my point totals.
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| | | 7 | culdeus
ID: 409551717
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 09:39
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Ugh, I'm on auto-pilot here keeping a spot warm from some RQFLer to take over. Even if I somehow make it in I'd give up my spot to cut the league down to 12. The scoring as it is doesn't lend itself to a 14 team format.
I think it pays to get yourself used to a scoring system for a year to figure out the nuances of it. That's behind my resurgence in poli and high ranking in other leagues.
It's too late for Bennett to provide me with anything useful and Santana has been a bonafide bust who I picked for the most part for his KR/PR scoring. I might be the only holmes team in the US to not make the playoffs.
I do hope the board adopts a WCOFF format and gets alot more people in. Clearly the interest is there.
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| | | 8 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 09:49
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Pretty happy so far.
Only time will really tell, but the team keeps itself competitive.
Don't have time right now to go look at what I said, but will do it later.
Cliff
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| | | 9 | culdeus
ID: 409551717
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 13:07
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You should be happy your two auto picks turned out to be the steals of the draft, no way they would have been there in rounds 3,4.
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| | | 10 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 15:26
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Revisiting my picks and thoughts:
1. Shaun Alexander - He has been the stud I expected him to be. He scores tons of TD's and is getting yards as well. Nothing has changed since my draft rationale on him when I said I would of taken him at 3. So, getting him at 5 was a bargain.
2. Torry Holt - For where I took him, he is probably a bust so far. No 2nd round pick should put up 0.4 points when he plays all game and his team is losing all game (Holt vs. Miami). Looking back, though, the only people available were marginal RB's, as a 4 QB run had occured right before my pick. So, I still don't think this was the worst pick (could of gotten Owens).
3. Brian Westbrook - Was a great pick in Round 3, but his recent injury could hurt me. I have Levens now, who is servicable, but Westbrook was good for 125+ total yards per game. Hope he comes back soon. Overall, good value for Round 3.
4. Peerless Price + 5. Jerry Porter - Price was a bust for me, Porter was underperforming. Traded them to MC for Gonzo. So, far this trade has been great for me as I have been able to fill their Price's and Porter's spots with McCardell and Morton, while at the same time giving a huge boost to my TE.
6. Jeff Garcia - Not bad so far. Too bad I never play him because his matchups seem unfavorable (including this week vs. B'more). I have gained confidence in him, and for the 13th picked QB, he has performed well.
7. Keith Bulluck - Started off slow, but is playing better recently with two 10+ point games in a row.
8. Travis Minor - Dropped him, but recently re-added him. Doubt I will ever play him as I will just rely on whatever Eagle and Seahawk RB is playing each week.
9. Dwight Freeney - Bust. Dropped for Shaun Rogers who actually gets some tackles. If Freeney doesn't get a sack, he gets no points because the Colts are always forcing opposing teams to pass.
10. Andre Davis - A little banged up right now, but he has emerged as Garica's favorite target. Don't really need him, though, unless McCardell, Holt, or Morton get hurt. McCardell does go on bye in Week 10, so, he will probably start that week.
11. Jake Delhomme - So far he has been a good bargain for me. He won't score more than 20 points, but he also will seldom score less than 10. He throws too many picks, but at least he throws all game because of Carolina's injury woes and perpetually losing nature.
12. Justin Gage - Bust, cut.
13. Chris Draft - Lost his job, cut.
14. Kansas City Chiefs - Man I hate these guys. They usually give me about 6-7 per game, but they gave me a -2 last week, which made me lose a game. I expected 7-10 points per game, which just isn't happening. No decent Team D is on waivers, either. Blah.
15. James Jackson - Picked him based on him being traded to Miami. Didn't happen, so, I cut him.
16. Ryan Longwell - Been great so far. Too bad I picked up and play Vanderjagt each week, while Longwell has been scoring more points.
17. Bubba Franks - Crappy TE, but the upgrade to Gonzo made it easy to let him go.
18. Shawn Barber - Just cut him. Didn't really need a LB on my bench.
19. Maurice Morris - A handcuff. Haven't needed him yet, but if Alexander goes down, he can handle the load.
20. Dominic Rhodes - Cut him early this season. I would like to have him on my bench now, though.
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| | | 11 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 15:58
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so, legge, the Gonzo for Porter/Price trade worked out for you?
I am happy to have 2 WR's that I can start every week, although I missed Price's big game last week. I certainly didn't need Gonzo, because I have Gates (who I took really late). The trade has been good for me, too. At least now I don't have to start Kennison every week.
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| | | 12 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 16:11
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Yep, I think it worked out for both of us. You have a great replacement for Gonzo in Gates, and I have good replacements for Porter and Price with McCardell and Morton. I have never been a fan of TE's, but I now see how nice it is to have someone in that position that can be counted on.
We play each other this week, so, hopefully Porter and Price don't extract revenge on their old coach.
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| | | 13 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Wed, Nov 03, 2004, 16:58
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Don't worry about Price. He got the week off for his big performance last week.
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| | | 14 | TB
ID: 59933268
Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 12:25
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Can any of you help me get to the fanball commisioner site? For me to get to this thread, I use this link:
http://66.221.169.119/cgi-bin/mb/foot/4060.shtml?1099522735
To get to the message boards from work, I have this saved:
http://66.221.169.119/cgi-bin/view.pl
I sure would like to be able to get to the FF site from work.
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| | | 15 | deepsnapper
ID: 15843714
Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 13:19
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Tom - I'm always logged into Fanball & the URL that I use takes me directly to my Team Home Page.
http://fbc3.fanball.com/commissioner.fbc?prg=lselect&lid=35160&page=team&pass=1&47137
I took you up on the trade offer of Droughns for Seattle's D. ;)
Roy
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| | | 16 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 13:42
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I took you up on the trade offer of Droughns for Seattle's D. ;)
This brings up a question. TB made an offer of Droughns for Philly D, which I accepted at 12:50 PM ET. If an owner shops around a player by proposing multiple trades, the one that is accepted first is binding, correct?
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| | | 17 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 14:34
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I would assume so. What other way could there be to make a determination? Once he offers the trade, he can't come back and say "Oooo, I want to choose the best deal." The first person to accept gets it.
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| | | 18 | deepsnapper
ID: 15843714
Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 19:35
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It's your deal Sludge, not a problem.
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| | | 19 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Nov 04, 2004, 21:28
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I shot out three trade offers last night. All were Droughns for a defense. I looked at the top ranked defenses to see who owned them and only made offers to teams that I thought I could help their running game and that they had another good defense so that a trade would be more likely to happen. PD shot me an email last night explaining why he declined. I was hoping one of the other two would accept. Roy, if you were being serious and tried to accept, I feel bad. I should have sent out an email to each owner telling them it was a multiple offer. We can probably try to swing a deal for one of my other backs if you are looking. You should call me on my cell.
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| | | 20 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Nov 05, 2004, 11:12
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PD, I sent you a trade a couple hours ago, but Fanball seems to be down. I wanted to make sure you received my offer.
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| | | 21 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Fri, Nov 05, 2004, 11:54
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legge, you love the trade, don't you?
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| | | 22 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Nov 05, 2004, 12:01
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;)
This is actually the first year where I have made trades in every league I am playing in. I actually thought there would be more trades in RIFC than there has been, but most teams don't really have the depth to make any trades.
I have depth...at kicker.
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| | | 23 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Fri, Nov 05, 2004, 12:05
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My depth is astounding; too bad I don't have any talent to go with it.
Barlow
McGahee
William Green
Wheatley
Henry
(That could be a great RB corps next year when Henry is on a new team and Green may be starting for Cleveland)
Porter
Price
Kennison
Northcutt
Coles
Yikes, that would have been a daunting WR group coming out of the draft. Too bad they all stink!
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| | | 24 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 22:04
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Interesting action at the top of the standings today...
I'd say it's likely that I'll split on the week, but a solid night by Harrison and Marcus Robinson (25+ pts) could push me over the top. It's conceivable, but I wouldn't go so far as to say likely. I'll be hoping for a shootout tomorrow night :)
Challenger and Taxman could both go 0 - 2 for the week!
Taxman vs Guru: Guru up 36 with Culpepper/Wayne vs Taxman's Manning/James. Edge goes to Guru
Taxman vs culdeus: culdeus up 45 with Michael Bennett vs Manning/James. This will be interesting IMO.
GoatLocker vs Challeneger: Goatlocker up almost 8 with Dallas Clark. Challenger has only Marques Douglas and Ray Lewis still in play. This will be interesting as well, especially after scores (IDP's in particular) become official.
Leggestand vs Challenger: Legg is up 38 with Andra Davis (IDP) in play and David Thornton and Vanderjagt tomorrow. Challenger has only his 2 IDP's tonight. I'll go out on a limb and say this one's over.
This would shake up the top 3 positions for sure. Goatlocker is in 4th and could become part of a 4 way 13 - 5 tie for best record!
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| | | 25 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 22:46
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Ender,
Good job of listing what I was just looking at.
Sure will be interesting to see where we stand come tomorrow nite.
Cliff
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| | | 26 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 23:02
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Wow, I just went to peek and see how my teams did today and ended up looking at the same thing. My gut says the top three teams will be tied at 13-5, with Cliff one game back. The middle of the pack gets very interesting, where the next 9 teams will all have 6-10 wins.
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| | | 27 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 23:12
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Looking at it further, I'd say there's a very good chance you're right, TB.
We'll just see how my boys do tomorrow night :) Now that they have corrected Strahan's tackles your margin is only 22...
11 pts each? I'd say it's likely that 1 of them will catch a TD, that means they's only need an average of 80 yds each. If they can both just play up their average to date (23 combined) then I should win. Unfortunately tomorrow night's game is not played on paper.
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| | | 28 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 23:37
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If my season luck holds true to form, they will both have 125 yard-2 TD games. I really need these two wins this week. If not, it will be the third week in a row I made a poor decision on who to start and I might find myself starting one of those "Who should I start this week" threads.
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| | | 29 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Sun, Nov 07, 2004, 23:44
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I'm just hoping to crawl back to .500.
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| | | 30 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 08:57
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Looks like I will be 8-10 after this week, with 130+ pointsin each game. Should strengthen my hopes of getting one of the 2 playoff point spots (7th or 8th). Hopefully my team can continue to put up 130+ points as they have 3 of the past 4 weeks.
PD, I never heard back from you so I took back my trade offer last week. Just sent you another...
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| | | 31 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 11:02
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I thought tonight's game might turn out to be a real fantasy shootout, with my Culpepper/Wayne combo going against Taxman's Manning and James. Fortunately, with a current lead of about 40 points, it looks like the primary risk at this point is that Culpepper gets injured in the first drive, and then Indy goes on to a rout (with Wayne not a major contributor).
(Boy, would that suck!)
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| | | 32 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 12:38
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Guru,
I understand that real well.
When LT was pulled for Chatman after the big lead, I thought, good, I'll get a quarter plus of points from him and they should run a lot.
So, what happens, he gets pulled for Michael Turner who gets 5 carries for 17 yards.
Oh well.
Let's see what happens tonite.
Need a good nite from Dallas Clark.
Cliff
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| | | 33 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 16:45
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Looks like I'm chasing 18.6 now after official scoring of yesterday's games. I feel good gaining points before the game is even played. TB, it's going to be fun to watch :)
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| | | 34 | GoatLocker
ID: 521040813
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 17:00
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Well, now that all is said and done going into tonite, I have a .08 lead over Challenger with Dallas Clark playing and nobody for Challenger.
Feel pretty good as long as he doesn't put up a negative.
I'm behind by 6.96 to MC, have Dallas Clark going and he has the Colts D. This one should be fun.
Not writing it off, but won't probably be easy.
Cliff
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| | | 35 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 17:01
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GoatLocker, see, you should have just slipped me that 5 bucks and then I would have started the bye defense. ; )
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| | | 36 | GoatLocker
ID: 521040813
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 17:03
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5 bucks, heck, I thought you're email said 50 bucks.
Drat, can't even read.
Cliff
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| | | 37 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 17:14
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TB, just sent you a trade offer. PD has headed out of town for 9 days, so, you are next on my trade list.
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| | | 38 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Mon, Nov 08, 2004, 20:51
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I just got home and saw it. I will shoot you a counter offer or at least an email explaining why I am going to pass on that deal. I have to cook some chow and get up the energy first. Long day at work has me brain dead right now.
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| | | 39 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 10:41
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I am looking for a defense, not a top 3 defense, but at least a top 10. I am not necessarily looking for a blockbuster trade, but could be swayed into moving Holt + Westbrook for a similar RB, slightly downgraded WR (I would prefer a top 15 WR), and defense.
I could also move a WR (probably Morton) for a defense straight up.
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| | | 40 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 11:19
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Peyton Manning is awesome and he certainly is the chariot driver of that Indy offense, but I was just going over some stats and noticed a trend that made me do a double take. The Colts have now played 8 games, and with 8 still to play, they are exactly halfway through their season.
Reggie Wayne 37 rec., 603 yards
Marvin Harrison 45 rec., 566 yards
Brandon Stokley 36 rec., 533 yards
All three of these guys are on pace to finish with over 1,000 yards receiving. I have been playing fantasy football for about 6 years and I know that I have never seen a team come close to having three 1,000 yard receivers. Some teams don't even have one in a given year, and the only team during that time that has regularly had two (Bruce and Holt) is St. Louis, IMO.
That will be quite an accomplishment if they can finish the season with all 3 guys hitting the millenium mark. I am impressed already. They still have some tough defenses ahead of them, including @Chicago, @Detroit, home vs Baltimore and San Diego, and then they finish up @Denver.
The Colts also have not scored fewer than 24 points in any game this season. They've done that 3 times (both Jacksonville games, and @New England). They also have given up at least 14 points in every game.
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| | | 41 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 11:36
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Leg, offer sent. There is room to negotiate. I believe I have what you need.
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| | | 42 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 11:38
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Leg, I cancelled that offer after looking at weekly averages. If you are interested shoot me an offer back.
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| | | 43 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 11:54
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Ender, saw your offer and it wasn't bad, but I think those defenses won't really help me in the long run. Although you have three defense, none are really that big of an upgrade from the Chiefs. The Jags average 1 ppg more than the Chiefs, and the Panthers have actually scored less points than the Chiefs.
Your offer type was another I hadn't though of that I would like to make public: I could also move Holt for a downgrade in WR and upgrade in defense. I hope that any trade offer would either involve a 2nd/3rd tier WR and top defense, or a 2nd tier WR and average defense.
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| | | 44 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 13:46
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legge - offer sent
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| | | 45 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 14:13
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counter offers sent, via email.
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| | | 46 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 14:33
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np, that's why I pulled it. I'll confess to being surprised that the Chargers didn't average out higher. I simply haven't looked over team D's for a few weeks (despite having grabbed the Jags off the wire).
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| | | 47 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 17:00
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Don Banks just made me laugh out loud. Check out this quote about Vinny Testaverde:
The Vin-Man should be playing in a baker's hat these days, because he's a turnover-making machine.
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| | | 48 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 18:30
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Wow, just logged into our league on Fanball and found out we are going to have to "Mind Our P's & Q's".
New Injury identifiers
(P) - Probable
(Q) - Questionable
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| | | 49 | leggestand
ID: 56811718
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 21:37
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Well, Guru I approved the trade. It took me a while to decide...I hate trading studs for multiple players, but the Chiefs defense was driving me crazy. Plus, the depth of this league makes it almost mandatory that everyone on our team scores.
Here's to Mason, McCardell, and Morton/Lloyd stepping up with the loss of our top WR. Here's also to the Bear's continuing to put up 10 points per game (if I happen to make the playoffs, their schedule looks pretty nice).
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| | | 50 | Guru
ID: 581024921
Tue, Nov 09, 2004, 22:27
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IIRC, the Bears are at Dallas the week I face you, leggestand. If there's a chance for that trade to come back and bite me, that'll be the golden opportunity - unless we happen to face each other in the playoffs.
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| | | 51 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Wed, Nov 10, 2004, 23:39
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How come we don't see the pending trade? I was curious who you guys traded but don't see the deal anywhere.
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| | | 52 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Wed, Nov 10, 2004, 23:49
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I didn't find the trade, but I did click on propose trade to each team and it shows Holt/A. Davis as NA and Bears/Mason as NA. Pretty good trade for both teams and Legge didn't have to break the bank to get a good D.
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| | | 53 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 11, 2004, 08:54
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Click on the "trades" link in the transactions section of the left menu. There is a link for "List Trades Pending Commissioner Approval". That's where you would find it. Pending trades are also sent to everyone via email.
I'm about to approve the trade (having heard no objections in 24+ hours), so you won't find this one there any longer, but for future reference...
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| | | 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 11, 2004, 08:55
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Or is that link only there for the commissioner to see?
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| | | 55 | Trip
ID: 478261310
Thu, Nov 11, 2004, 10:09
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Everyone can see it.
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| | | 56 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Thu, Nov 11, 2004, 16:06
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That is exactly where I clicked and it was blank. That is where I saw the MC/Legge trade a couple weeks ago, but this one never showed up. Seems like when I first came to the home page, there was something alerting me to a pending trade before and yes, I got an email. With this trade, I never got an email and never saw it posted.
No biggie.
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| | | 57 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Thu, Nov 11, 2004, 17:24
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I did get an email, but I never looked for the trade on the site.
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| | | 58 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 14:20
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Just for the record, I was debating between Martin and Blaylock. Dillons was never an issue. It looks like the early returns show that he may have been the one to ride the pine.
All in all, it wasn't not a bad dilemma to have. I refuse to second guess myself (I'll keep repeating that in my head).
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| | | 59 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 19:33
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Manning and Delhomme throw 8 TD's between them and Colbert and Harrison didn't catch any?!?
I apparently am not meant to win this week.
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| | | 60 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 19:36
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It's worse than that :( Manning + Delhomme + Culpepper = 12 TD's
Colbert + Robinson + Harrison = 118 yds, 0 TD's
That's just pitiful.
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| | | 61 | leggestand
ID: 56811718
Sun, Nov 14, 2004, 20:31
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That's some pretty bad luck Guru...Holt goes out with a head injury, while Mason puts up 100 yds and a TD and the Bears put up 2 TD's and a safety.
As for my week, I have 137 points with Westbrook still to play, but Goatlocker's team can still catch me with Owens, Akers, and Bruschi still left. If that happens it would be the 2nd time in two weeks where I scored more than 135 points and went 1-1.
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| | | 62 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 10:14
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At least I didn't need a big result from Holt this week, as it turned out. Hopefully, he'll be able to play next week, or I could find myself with only 2 healthy receivers.
And Chicago would have been on my bench this week if I hadn't traded them to you, so I'd have missed their big game anyway.
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| | | 63 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 10:33
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It's worse than that :( Manning + Delhomme + Culpepper = 12 TD's
Colbert + Robinson + Harrison = 118 yds, 0 TD's
That's just pitiful.
Pitiful enough to probably beat me unless L.J. manages to put up some points for me.
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| | | 64 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Mon, Nov 15, 2004, 22:28
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I'm going to need more than Kearse is giving me so far to make that happen :P
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| | | 65 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Tue, Nov 16, 2004, 00:31
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Phew.
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| | | 66 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Tue, Nov 16, 2004, 10:30
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Guru, could you add an "if the season ended today playoff teams" indicator to the standings page? Also, can someone refresh my memory on what which teams get invited back next year? (I can't remember if it's the 6 playoff qualifiers based on record, if it's everyone who makes the playoffs, or whatever.)
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| | | 67 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Tue, Nov 16, 2004, 11:53
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Argh. It was nice being in first for a week :P
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| | | 68 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 16, 2004, 13:03
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I'm not sure I ever definitively decided what the criteria for automatic invites would be. I'm currently thinking along this line:
Six teams will get automatic bids, selected in the following order:
a) the top 4 seeds in the playoffs
b) any team reaching the 2nd round of the playoffs
c) remaining team(s) with the most total points
If more than 6 teams qualify under a & b, then they'll all get automatic bids. But item (c) only kicks in if less than 6 teams qualify under the first two criteria.
Playoff seeding for spots 1-6 is based on W/L record, with ties broken by total points. Playoff splots 7 & 8 are determined solely by points. Based on standings through week #10, here are the top 8 seeds:
1) Taxman
2) Challenger
3) GoatLocker
4) Ender
5) Guru
6) Sludge
7) Legge
8) Perm Dude
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| | | 69 | Taxman
ID: 28100111
Wed, Nov 17, 2004, 21:15
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Go Colts
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| | | 70 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 08:48
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I was looking at the standings and I am currently 6th even though I have the same record as Sludge, who is 7th. He has more points than me, but I beat him in our one head to head game. My question is, if I go on to sweep Sludge, end the season with the same record as him and less points, will I be ranked ahead of him because of head to head victories? Or is it just record then points which decides the tiebreak?
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| | | 71 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Nov 19, 2004, 11:07
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You're right, I forgot about the head-to-head tiebreaker.
If only 2 teams have the same WL record, then head-to-head is the first tiebreaker. If there are three teams tied with the same W/L record, then head-to-head is not used, and points are the next tiebreaker.
For the 7th and 8th playoff spots, only poinst scored are used. In the unlikely event that 2 teams are tied for one of those spots, I would revert to W/L and then HTH to break that tie.
By default, the Fanball site will rank the standings based on W/L (i.e., with the separate point criteria for the 7th and 8th slot). If this causes different teams to be ranked 7th and 8th, then I'll have to figure out how to override the system.
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| | | 72 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sat, Nov 20, 2004, 16:49
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| TEAM NAME | WINS | LOSSES | POINTS FOR | GAME ONE | GAME TWO | | WINS | LOSSES | WINS | LOSSES | | Tax Returns | 15 | 5 | 2362.42 | 7 | 3 | 8 | 2 | | Challenger | 15 | 5 | 2286.72 | 8 | 2 | 7 | 3 | | GoatLockers Bruisers | 13 | 7 | 2356.96 | 6 | 4 | 7 | 3 | | Ender | 13 | 7 | 2310.06 | 8 | 2 | 5 | 5 | | RotoGuru.com | 13 | 7 | 2135.22 | 7 | 3 | 6 | 4 | | Sludge | 10 | 10 | 2172.38 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 6 | | Leggo my Ego | 10 | 10 | 2171.14 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 4 | | Perm Dudes | 9 | 11 | 2081.18 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 5 | | TB | 9 | 11 | 2044.00 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 6 | | Culdeus | 8 | 12 | 1928.24 | 4 | 6 | 4 | 6 | | Mötley Crüe | 8 | 12 | 1914.16 | 3 | 7 | 5 | 5 | | Flower Mound Cowboys | 7 | 13 | 1956.38 | 2 | 8 | 5 | 5 | | CehP | 7 | 13 | 1906.30 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 7 | | Dilligads | 3 | 17 | 1692.86 | 1 | 9 | 2 | 8 | | | | | | | | |
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| | | 73 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sat, Nov 20, 2004, 16:57
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Only five teams have more than a one-game difference in record so far. Of the five teams, Ender and Sludge have not benefited from the doubleheaders while Leggo, MC, and Deepsnapper have all got to be fans of having that second game.
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| | | 74 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sat, Nov 20, 2004, 17:07
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| Current Standings | Adjusted Standings | WINS | LOSSES | POINTS FOR | GAME ONE | GAME TWO | | WINS | LOSSES | WINS | LOSSES | | Tax Returns | Ender | 13 | 7 | 2310.06 | 8 | 2 | 5 | 5 | | Challenger | Challenger | 15 | 5 | 2286.72 | 8 | 2 | 7 | 3 | | GoatLockers Bruisers | Tax Returns | 15 | 5 | 2362.42 | 7 | 3 | 8 | 2 | | Ender | RotoGuru.com | 13 | 7 | 2135.22 | 7 | 3 | 6 | 4 | | RotoGuru.com | GoatLockers Bruisers | 13 | 7 | 2356.96 | 6 | 4 | 7 | 3 | | Sludge | Sludge | 10 | 10 | 2172.38 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 6 | | Leggo my Ego | TB | 9 | 11 | 2044.00 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 6 | | Perm Dudes | Leggo my Ego | 10 | 10 | 2171.14 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 4 | | TB | Perm Dudes | 9 | 11 | 2081.18 | 4 | 6 | 5 | 5 | | Culdeus | Culdeus | 8 | 12 | 1928.24 | 4 | 6 | 4 | 6 | | Mötley Crüe | CehP | 7 | 13 | 1906.30 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 7 | | Flower Mound Cowboys | Mötley Crüe | 8 | 12 | 1914.16 | 3 | 7 | 5 | 5 | | CehP | Flower Mound Cowboys | 7 | 13 | 1956.38 | 2 | 8 | 5 | 5 | | Dilligads | Dilligads | 3 | 17 | 1692.86 | 1 | 9 | 2 | 8 | | | | | | | | | |
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| | | 75 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Sun, Nov 21, 2004, 13:29
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Well, this weekend should go along way toward sorting things out for standings going in to the playoffs.
Glad I stayed with Griese instead of switching to McNair.
Long day still to go.
We shall see.
Dallas just took the ball away from Baltimore.
Cliff
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| | | 76 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sun, Nov 21, 2004, 22:14
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Looks like I am going to need Vinatieri to toss another TD and kick some field goals if I don't want to go 0-2 this week. Man, I was feeling so good about my team coming together. I guess I just need to be concerned with scoring as many points from here on out and hope I can grab one of the two last spots.
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| | | 77 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 08:28
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You are lucky that McGee showed as questionable and I didn't have more time to research it. I benched him against you. My other opponent wasn't as lucky.
Vinatieri ought to be good for 10 tonight. I really doubt the Chiefs defense will be able to stop New England much at all. Of course, you need like 10.8 points. ; )
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| | | 78 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 08:39
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I don't think I was the lucky one, but will go check again.
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| | | 79 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 08:46
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Relatively lucky. Instead of being down 25 or so, you're only down 10.
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| | | 80 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 08:50
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You did start McGee against me was what I was saying. Too bad I didn't start the TB defense. It really did cross my mind. I wonder if I have won a "Goober Award" for most points left on the bench throughout the season. It's not like I am not aware of the match-ups and don't analyze them. I think the whole season has been flukie for me. Dang Raiders are tickin me off too.
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| | | 81 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 10:50
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Man, I'm confused. I'll have to go back and look again. I know I benched him for one game and started Barnett.
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| | | 82 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 13:33
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Somehow I got two W's despite having Hasselback as my QB. Lucky lucky, it appears.
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| | | 83 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 16:43
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PD, that will be posted above both Dillon and Harrison's locker.
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| | | 84 | Perm Dude
ID: 2343587
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 22:23
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Ooops--probably should have checked who was still playing. Vacation will do that to a guy.
Looks like I might get that W--mostly because of Curtis Martin getting himself injured. If he had his usual game you'd be sitting on a lead with 2 Dillon quarters to play, Ender.
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| | | 85 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Mon, Nov 22, 2004, 23:50
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Hmmm, think I need another Dillon fumble lost and a Bruschi interception for a TD.
About the only way I can beat Ender.
Unless he'll let me change to Boller vice Griese.
Another 1-1 week.
Cliff
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| | | 86 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 00:17
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NFL.com scoring (which seems to be right on a regular basis as opposed to FanBAll) has Harrison with 1 more pt and Wesley with 1.5 less that swing should put me over the top of you, PD.
GL, I think our outcome is pretty solid.
I was sweating it pretty good all day long hoping Dillon would pull through. That fumble was enough to cost me in another league, but it looks like I survived here.
We'll see what the final tally is in the morning.
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| | | 87 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 09:33
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I'm not sure what happened with the numbers, but apparently Wesley's numbers were accurate. In the end that fumble cost me 2 games this week :(
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| | | 88 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 12:09
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Tough week for me. If I had inserted either Branch or Drummond instead of Dante Hall, I'd have been 2-0 instead of 0-2. As it was, I lost each game by less than 2 pts. Going 2-0 would have really solidified my playoff standing. Now I still have some work to do.
At least it was nice to see Branch back on the field. Now if only Todd Heap would return. So much for the initial assessment of 2-4 weeks.
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| | | 89 | TB
ID: 4610412220
Tue, Nov 23, 2004, 20:39
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So I get home from work and check in to see the final scores. Motley beats me by a lousy .30 points. I am slightly grumpy for a second, then realize I am only competing for that 8th spot at this point. I am 10 points behind PD and need a couple good weeks. Just because I am fruit loops and love to cause myself pain, I tallied how many more points I would have had if I set my highest scoring players for each week. The total was over 400 points. Yikes! Most of those points I don't feel too bad about because I felt I had my best line-up at the time, but some of the decisions might turn out costly.
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| | | 90 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 24, 2004, 12:20
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I notice that Fanball gives me the option to set up a Consolation bracket during the playoff weeks.
Do the six teams (as yet undetermined, of course) who miss the Championship playoffs want to have a consolation bracket for the final 3 weeks?
If so, what's the best way to set up a 3-week, 6 team tournament? My quick thoughts would be to have 3 matchups during week 14, and then have the 3 winners plus the best loser (based on points for week 14 only) advance to the second round. Teams would be reseeded in week 15, with the top point producer in week 14 playing the surviving loser, unless that repeats the week 14 matchup.
Alternatively, we could probably have the top loser from the championship bracket drop down to the consolation bracket in week 15. That team would be seeded first in week 15, and would play against the winner with the fewest points in week 14.
Any thoughts?
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| | | 91 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Nov 24, 2004, 13:14
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A consolation bracket sounds good. My preference would be the first choice.
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| | | 92 | TB
ID: 4610412220
Wed, Nov 24, 2004, 19:02
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Sounds cool to me either way.
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| | | 93 | leggestand
ID: 56811718
Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 10:31
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I agree with PD.
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| | | 94 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 11:06
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I guess I should vote for this since it is aimed at teams like mine. But I don't think it will be any "consolation" for me to play for ninth place. I honestly don't care whether we have a Toilet Bowl or not.
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| | | 95 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 15:27
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You might consider adding a pass to next years league as the plum for winning the (now named) "Toilet Bowl". I like the idea of the top scoring loser from "Guru Bowl" playoffs going into the 2nd round of the "Toilet Bowl" playoffs.
TB made me feel better about my 1.24 point loss to Challenger...sigh...probably cost me the #1 seed for the playoffs.
The team I started against TB would have won match against Challenger, but TB would have beat the team I started against Challanger. Thus the tough luck award goes to TB, not only for his .3 point loss, but also because he faced the better of my two line ups. TB was .3 and a Taxman click away from 2-0 rather than 0-2. Again, it appears that being lucky is better than being good. Being unlucky is just plain worse, irregardless of whether or not you are good.
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| | | 96 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 21:37
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I cringed when I saw playing you this week Taxman. At least Manning threw half those TD's to Harrison :P
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| | | 97 | Ender
ID: 0442215
Thu, Nov 25, 2004, 21:40
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Looking at it more closely, it worked out better than I thought. Harrison nearly scored as much as Manning. James and Jones had good days, but neither of them found the endzone.
Good luck the rest of the way.
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| | | 98 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 11:19
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RW McQuarters putting up 26.3 as an IDP?!?!? That has to be the IDP record for this season.
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| | | 99 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 17:37
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Ender, we have a great match going
I thought Manning's day would have put me in the driver's seat, but Ender's only 33 points back. Harrison just hung up the 3rd best (RIFC) receiver day of the season and was Ender's only Thursday starter (I used up both RB's, DL and QB).
Has solid point potential with Bulger @ Packers and Martin @ Cards. Hoping that Dillon @ Baltimore won't hurt bad. I am going to need some receiver points to stay in the match.
Good luck on this and next week. If playoffs had started this week we would have had seed 2 & 3 and been in different brackets. (Are we re-seeding between playoff rounds?)
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| | | 100 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 19:16
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Well Taxman,
I think I spotted you enough of a lead.
Now to come back and win this.
I feel a 4 TD, 250 yard day for TO.
Yeah, right.
Well, sure would help.
Cliff
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| | | 101 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Nov 27, 2004, 19:23
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No, we are not reseeding between playoff rounds. Once the bracket is set, we play it out as set up.
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| | | 102 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 11:24
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Our rules state that IDPs earn 2 points for blocked kicks. I noticed this morning that Fanball doesn't include blocked kicks in IDP scoring.
After some research, I have discovered that there have been 19 blocked kicks this season, including 7 in the most recent weekend! I don't think that any of the players in weeks 1-11 were active on any of our rosters, but I'd like you to check the list in case I've missed someone. This week, three active IDPs blocked a kick: J. Kearse , J. Peppers, and S. Rogers. I will manually adjust the scores for Ender, Leggo, and cEHp to reflect an extra 2 points per game. I can't do that until tomorrow, though, after standings are updated for week 12.
Here is the full list of blocked kicks for the season:Week Team IDP
1 Det S. Rogers
4 NO S. Gleason
5 GB N. Diggs
7 AZ G. Hayes
9 Oak N. Asomugha
9 Was T. Jacobs
9 Hou A. Peek
10 AZ R. McKinnon
10 Chi M. Colombo
11 Oak L. Walker
11 Cle O. Roye
12 Ten M. Waddell
12 Det S. Rogers
12 Oak L. Walker
12 Atl E. Jasper
12 Phi J. Kearse
12 Den M.Pope
12 TB D. White
12 Car J. Peppers
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| | | 103 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 11:46
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Good catch Guru. I was actually wondering about that, because Rogers blocked an extra point by my kicker, but was going to wait on mentioning anything until Fanball completed any adjustments for the week. But I guess Fanball hasn't been counting blocked kicks at all, so, no adjustment was coming.
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| | | 104 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 11:58
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Fanball has been (properly) counting blocked kicks for team defenses, but not for IDP. I'm surprised I missed that earlier in the season, as I thought I had double checked all of the scoring formulas.
Fortunately, it's a rare event. Of course, if it wasn't so rare, we might have noticed it sooner.
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| | | 105 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 29, 2004, 14:34
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Two weeks ago I was sitting at 13-7 and feeling pretty comfortable about my playoff position.
Now it looks like I'll be 13-11 heading into the final regular season week, and nothing is assured. I still like my chances to advance, but it is certainly no lock, and could be torpedoed by a single event - [shudder] like a first quarter injury to Culpepper next week.[/shudder]
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| | | 106 | cEHp
ID: 3610102123
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 00:46
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Will Peppers blocked kick swing my game against Challenger?
If so, that is a nice catch Guru.
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| | | 107 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 08:35
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Yep. That adjustment should be processed within an hour or so.
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| | | 108 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 09:47
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One week to go before the playoffs. If the season were to end today, the following teams would make the playoffs:
1 Challenger 18-6
2 Taxman 17-7
3 Ender 16-8
4 GoatLocker 14-10
5 Leggestand 14-10
6 Guru 13-11
7 Sludge 12-12, 2584 points
8 TB 11-13, 2544 points
Remember, the 7th and 8th spots are based on points, not W/L record. Motley Crue has a 12-12 record, but only 2486 points.
Based upon some quick analysis:- The top 5 teams above look pretty safe. Mathematically, the teams at 14-10 could be subject to a points tiebreaker, but their point totals look pretty solid.
- The 6th spot will require at least a 13-13 record. If Guru goes 2-0 this week, he clinches a spot based on W/L record.
- If Guru loses 1 or 2 games this week, then the 6th-8th playoff spots will probably be among the following: Guru, Motley, Sludge, TB, & Perm Dude. Perm Dude is the long shot (11-13, fewest points), and would require a very strong week along with some bad weeks from other teams. TB has the most points of the bunch, with a 40 point lead over both Sludge and Guru. But with doubleheaders, a 40 point lead is certainly not safe.
Look like I could really use a strong week!
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| | | 109 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 09:51
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I think you need to recheck your math there Guru.
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| | | 110 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 10:03
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So this statistician walks into a bar, and there's an actuary going over all of these complicated mathematical equations. The audience is so enrapt that several members begin to drool. And the statisctician walks up to the actuary and goes, "I think you need to recheck your math there Guru."
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| | | 111 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 10:15
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Oops!
Actually, my math was fine. I just switched the names "Sludge" and "TB" in my final bullet point, which should have said:Sludge has the most points of the bunch, with a 40 point lead over both TB and Guru. But with doubleheaders, a 40 point lead is certainly not safe.
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| | | 112 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 10:17
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Well... I wouldn't consider switching two variable names "fine", especially since I'm one of the variables. :)
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| | | 113 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 10:49
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OK,OK. How about "The arithmetic was fine, but the math sucked."
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| | | 114 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Tue, Nov 30, 2004, 11:12
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If you had shown your work I would have only deducted a half point ;)
Seems more of a typo than an arithmetic error.
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| | | 115 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 10:54
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Just to make sure everyone is on the same wavelength, I want to bring up the issue of player movement during our playoffs.
I see no indication at Fanball that there are any limitations in waiver/claiming/add/drop processing during the playoffs. I have submitted a request ticket just to be sure.
Assuming that Fanball imposes no limits, is that appropriate for us?
Should we continue to be able to make waiver claims and add/drop transactions after this week? Or should our rosters be frozen once the playoffs begin?
Regardless, we probably should make some special stipulations for teams that have dropped out of the playoffs. I would think that teams should no longer be able to add or drop players once they have no more games remaining.
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| | | 116 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 11:03
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I normally like freezed rosters once the playoffs start. But, with the large number of positions in this league, it is hard to have a position backup for each position, and if a playoff team happens to lose its only DL to injury, the team should not be forbidden to pick up a new DL.
So, my vote is for waiver/claiming/add/drop processing during the playoffs.
I also think that teams out of the playoffs should be frozen.
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| | | 117 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 12:23
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No transactions once the playoffs start. There's a reason for a trade deadline. It's the same reason to have a roster move deadline. At some point, the team you have needs to be the team you are stuck with. That's how they do it in the pros.
Look at it this way. Say you make the championship game against Taxman and Manning gets hurt before the game. Would it be fair to let him pick up AJ Feeley right before the Championship game? In my opinion, the answer is no. That certainly is unlikely, but players picked up in the next 3 weeks will decide some outcomes, and that I don't like. If your team got you there, then finish the playoffs with them.
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| | | 118 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 12:58
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Since we never specified any playoff transaction limits (other than a trade deadline), we would need a majority vote to approve a playoff moratorium on player adds/drops.
And we should resolve this quickly, since it will have an impact on roster decisions this week.
I would vote with leggestand on this, and agree to continue to allow weekly transactions during the playoffs. (In the pros, teams have enough roster slots to allow for sufficient backups.)
Regardless, it seems necessary that dead teams should be frozen, so I'll decree that without a vote.
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| | | 119 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 13:04
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I can see both sides, but so long as players aren't being dropped from the non-playoff teams I think it's a good idea to allow teams to compete (including FA pickups) just as they did during the regular season. I disagree with the "team that got you there" theory, since everyone here has a different roster than when they started the season. FA pickups to plug injury holes is what got many teams to the playoffs.
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| | | 120 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 13:07
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Allow player movement as usual, but keep a sharp eye out for funny business. That's generally all that's required.
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| | | 121 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 13:12
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OK, I've thought about this and I am willing to modify my position. If you lose a player to injury and you NEED a guy to fill the spot, then that seems ok. But let's say that some stud RB on a dead team gets injured, and his backup is available and projects to have good productivity. It doesn't seem fair to me that someone should be able to make a free agent claim during the playoffs solely to upgrade a non-injured player on their team. In fact, that seems downright silly.
If I make the playoffs I will be one of the highest seeds, and thus I would have one of the best claim slots. Honestly, if we allow these types of transactions during the playoffs, I stand to gain more from it than a Taxman or Challenger.
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| | | 122 | Taxman
ID: 28100111
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 13:41
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I agree with the continuation of adds/drops and claims, waiver or otherwise.
However, I propose that any player on a dead roster from week 12 forward be ineligible for the playoffs (Guru Bowl).
I have been traveling and away from computer...what became of the toilet bowl proposal??
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| | | 123 | Taxman
ID: 28100111
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 13:53
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BTW..nice job Ender. I've been trying to get my butt checks below my ears. Talk about a thorough A$$ kicking. I am sure glad Guru found those extra two points for you, as close as the match was and all.
And Harrison was not even the number 1 receiver for week 12 with 30.70 points. It IS a strange game we play.
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| | | 124 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 14:44
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LOL, thanks Taxman.
I'm for player movement during playoffs simply because of the injury factor. I do understand and agree with MC that picking up a Blaylock type sub for a playoff game seems wrong.
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| | | 125 | Challenger
Donor
ID: 481126818
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 14:58
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Allow F/A pickups
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| | | 126 | TB
ID: 59933268
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:02
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Freeze all rosters. Reading the comments from the last few posts, I am in the minority on this but MC #117 was dead on.
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| | | 127 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:29
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I'd be agreeable to one (or both) of the following compromises:
Proposal 1. Teams not active the championship playoffs are locked from any future add/drop transactions. This includes all teams vying for the Toilet Bowl, whether still alive or not.
Rationale: This ensures that teams no longer in contention for the championship cannot have any further impact on the championship (via added or dropped players)
Proposal 2. Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) are frozen for the playoffs. Team defenses are also frozen, since they are not subject to injury uncertainty. Other positions are eligible for injury-replacement add/drop/claim transactions only.
Specifically, players in the other slots (TE, PK, IDP) may only be replaced if they are designated as questionable or worse on the [Wednesday or later] NFL injury report. This allowance does not apply to any player who was designated questionable or worse for the week 14 game.
Rationale: I think we all have some backups available for QB, RB, and WR. But we don't have sufficient slots to protect against injury in all of the other slots. This would allow us to replace those injured players, while protecting against a "Blaylock" type of situation.
I think these restrictions would preserve roster integrity while still allowing for protection against unforeseen injuries to lesser players.
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| | | 128 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:31
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BTW, just to keep it simple, I think we'll keep the Toilet Bowl self-contained. The top losing team in round 1 of the Toilet Bowl series will survive to round 2.
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| | | 129 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:37
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I'm also going to impose a time cutoff of 6pm EST Friday for a majority decision on any of these proposals. We need to make sure everyone has more than 24 hours to set their week 14 final rosters in light of any playoff limitations.
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| | | 130 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:42
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Proposal 1 and 2 are fine with me.
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| | | 131 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:53
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Hallelujah. I vote for both props.
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| | | 132 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:54
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I vote for proposal 1
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| | | 133 | TB
ID: 59933268
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:57
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I approve of both proposals.
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| | | 134 | MikeV
SuperDude
ID: 25924115
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 15:59
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Yes on both
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| | | 135 | Sludge
ID: 54692111
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 16:10
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Yay on 1, Nay on 2.
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| | | 136 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 16:55
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I'm good with 1 and 2.
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| | | 137 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 18:19
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I was digging around and couldn't find the playoff tiebreakers. For example, if two or more teams end up with the same amount of wins for the 6th playoff spot, how is the winner chosen? Is it points for?
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| | | 138 | culdeus
ID: 210272913
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 18:30
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both y
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| | | 139 | GoatLocker
ID: 141117121
Wed, Dec 01, 2004, 22:17
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Agree to both proposals.
Cliff
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| | | 140 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 09:25
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TB[137] - if it's a 2-way tie, then head-to-head is the first tiebreaker. After that, it is points for.
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| | | 141 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 09:41
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I will vote for both proposals as well. Proposal 1 passes easily. Proposal 2 now has 8 votes (GL, TB, culdeus, Ender, Mike V, MC, Legge, Guru), so it passes as well.
Thus, allow me to recap and clarify Proposal 2:Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) are frozen for the playoffs. Team defenses are also frozen, since they are not subject to injury uncertainty. Other positions are eligible for injury-replacement add/drop/claim transactions only.
Specifically, players in the other slots (TE, PK, IDP) may only be replaced if they are designated as questionable or worse on the NFL injury report. This allowance does not apply to any player who was designated questionable or worse for the week 14 game. Thus, you cannot add or drop a QB, RB, WR, or team Def after the week #14 freeze, period. You can only drop someone else if that player was designated as "Probable" or better for week 14, and "Questionable" or lower at some point thereafter. If one of those players is dropped, he can only be replaced by a player fulfilling the same position. (LB and DB will be considered the same position for this purpose.)
Since this will severely restrict player movement after this week, I'll plan to completely turn off the ability to add or drop players at Fanball after this week's freeze. If you need to make a transaction during the playoff period, send me an email, or post your requested transaction here. In the event of competing claims, standard waiver priorities will apply.
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| | | 142 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 09:55
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RE: Post 141--I would recommend not posting that info here, so as not to give your competition any ideas. Unless, of course, you have the best waiver claim position.
I was just looking at my schedule results for the season. Four of my losses came by a combined total of 9.96 points, including the classic 95.50-95.36 loss to legge in Week 3. 10 stinking points!
Has anyone else noticed that with all of the extra players (a third WR, 3 IDP's), the RB scoring hasn't been as important in this league as it is in some leagues? I still think there is a premium on the position, especially the Top 7 or so, but alot of the IDP's are scoring off the charts. Especially DB's are worth a lot more than I think anyone guessed they would be.
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| | | 143 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 10:07
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I may be able to set up the claiming system to handle any claims automatically. I'll need to adjust the timing so that claiming periods come after the NFL injury updates are released. Perhaps I could set an initial claiming period for Thursday noon, and a second one for Saturday noon?
Other than at those two times, transactions would be prohibited. Does that seem like it would work?
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| | | 144 | TB
ID: 59933268
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 10:30
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Return yards have a little to do with some of the DB high scorers, but I do admit to being surprised at the amount of points the top DBs have compared to the top LBs. I am not sure if I mentioned this already, but next years league needs to start more IDP to make the position a bigger factor. One DL seems good, but three or even four starting DB/LB would make that a more competitive position.
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| | | 145 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 10:38
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Well, if you expand the IDP's then you should make it like 2 LB and 1 DB required. Or 1 DL, 1 LB, 1 DB, and 1 DFlex.
I hope the next year version keeps IDP and Team Defense, which I have actually enjoyed somewhat. I thought I wouldn't. It probably has something to do with those loveable Colts actually scoring me some fantasy points.
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| | | 146 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Dec 02, 2004, 22:46
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Well since I am beating the 6:00 PM, Friday night vote deadline, I will vote a straight ticket of "YES" for propositions #1 & #2. Don't ya just love Democracy where every vote counts :>)
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| | | 147 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Sat, Dec 04, 2004, 08:29
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Sorry I missed the vote It's been a fun 3 days repairing both our home PCs.
FWIW, it'd been a yea to both propositions.
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| | | 148 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 14:47
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Well, good move on my part....NOT.
How could I not play Volek and Bennett against Indy... Sheesh.
Cliff
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| | | 149 | Ender
ID: 391134322
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 17:57
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I just dropped Moe Williams for Vinny Testaverde. If this viloates any of the above or any other league rule I'll reverse it. I believe it is a legal transaction, but I've confused myself regarding the above proposals at this point.
They don't take effect until next week correct? This is week 13 and the wording says no add/drops following the week 14 freeze, correct?
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| | | 150 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 18:59
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You can make any valid move this weekend. No foul.
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| | | 151 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:07
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Actiually, I see that my proposal #2 wording (and clarification in post 141) refers to week #14 when it should say week #13. The correct wording should be:Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) are frozen for the playoffs. Team defenses are also frozen, since they are not subject to injury uncertainty. Other positions are eligible for injury-replacement add/drop/claim transactions only.
Specifically, players in the other slots (TE, PK, IDP) may only be replaced if they are designated as questionable or worse on the NFL injury report. This allowance does not apply to any player who was designated questionable or worse for the week 13 game. Thus, you cannot add or drop a QB, RB, WR, or team Def after the week #13 freeze, period. You can only drop someone else if that player was designated as "Probable" or better for week 13, and "Questionable" or lower at some point thereafter. If one of those players is dropped, he can only be replaced by a player fulfilling the same position. (LB and DB will be considered the same position for this purpose.)
I presume that the intent was clear, even if the details were slightly botched. If someone thinks they were misled and thereby disadvantaged, speak up.
Of course, Ender's latest transaction is still OK, because it was made before those players were frozen for week 13.
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| | | 152 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:10
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So, can I make waiver wire moves now, or not? I am not quite clear on what is spelled out above.
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| | | 153 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:14
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You can make any valid regular season move that you want to until all of your players are frozen thsi weekend. However, since all of your players are frozen, Motley, there is no move that you can make now, because none of your current players can be dropped at this point.
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| | | 154 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:16
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Ah, nevermind. I see that the resident psychic, Challenger, picked up Larry Johnson today. I swear, I almost picked up Huggies today but went with Fargas instead. Great last minute pick-up, Challenger.
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| | | 155 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:17
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Essentially, your roster is not locked for the playoffs until it is locked for this weekend. After this weekend, the only add/drop moves that can be made are those related to injuries at those positions listed.
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| | | 156 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:26
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OK, but Moe Williams should have been frozen when Ender made that move, no? 5:55 EST. The Minnesota game was over at that point.
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| | | 157 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:50
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I'm surprised the system allows us to drop a frozen player. I thought that once a player was frozen, he could not be dropped. Evidently that limitation only applies to adds. Hmmm...
In that case, Ender's move was not permitted after all, and I'll have to reverse it. Testaverde can still be added, but Williams cannot be the player dropped.
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| | | 158 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:54
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I just reread the Fanball rules for add/drops, and I still don't understand why the system allowed that transaction. It appears to me that it should have been blocked.
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| | | 159 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 19:54
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Pathetic!
As it stands now, it looks like the #6 spot will be between Rotoguru and MC, and whoever loses the tie-breaker will certainly get the #7 spot. To get the #8 spot, I need Jimmy Smith's score minus Darrell Jackson's score to fail to exceed 20.9. I'm almost embarrased to still have a good shot at making the playoffs. I didn't think that Favre or Green would get many points, but I didn't expect that brutal a drubbing. I was aiming for 90 points; I thought that was not only possible but probable. Boy was I wrong.
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| | | 160 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:02
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I looked at the scoring a couple times today. I think I am the odd man out, Sludge. Would have been easier to stomach had the Raiders hung on today. Disappointing season all around for me.
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| | | 161 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:05
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Ender - if you want Vinny, you can still drop an unfrozen player to pick him up. Please send me an email, or post your intention here.
I tried to reverse your move, but for some reason I can't locate Moe Williams!
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| | | 162 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:14
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I don't know if Ender is still alert or not, but in case he misses the fact that his earlier move should have been invalid, I'll allow him the option to drop Ayodele even if he misses tonight's game freeze. Ayodele is on his bench anyway, and he has a surplus of IDPs, so that would seem to be his best legal move to make if he wants to add Testaverde.
Meanwhile, I filed a trouble ticket with Fanball to find out why the system allowed Moe Williams to be dropped after he was frozen for the weekend.
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| | | 163 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:15
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In all likelihood, TB, yes. But Jimmy Smith can go off at any time. Darrell Jackson has been a serious dissapointment all year for me. It's not out of the range of what is possible, by any stretch of the imagination.
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| | | 164 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:16
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Either way, though, a monster game by Jimmy Smith will go a long way to helping me lock up a playoff spot in another league. The worst that can happen, however, is that Smith has a monster game but it's still not enough to help me in my other league. Guess which scenario I'm thinking is going to happen?
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| | | 165 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 20:30
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BTW, Motley, the live scoring page is missing 6 points for the TD return by McGee. If they don't pick it up by Tuesday, I'll have to add it in manually. I doubt if it will make any difference in the final standings, however. It looks like you have the 6th playoff slot under control.
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| | | 166 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 21:36
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With a moment to reflect now, I am very disappointed that I started off this season so poorly (1-7). It made me lose interest in everything that was going on except my own team. So I have really missed out on many of the exciting things that have happened this season in this league. I'm sure there have been many great games, some close ones, and a few epic ones. After my poor start, I concentrated solely on getting good players from the waiver pool and ignored pretty much everything else. As recently as last week I was feeling so disappointed about not qualifying to play in this league again next season. I hope that my comeback performance has earned an invitation. The draft in this league was the best I've ever been involved with. I look forward to the Playoffs, but also to competing in such a great league on a yearly basis from now on.
//MC
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| | | 167 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:09
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MC, WOW! What a marvelous afternoon you had today. If your team performs in the playoffs as it did today, there will not be any question of your return next year. This is the second week in a row I've run into the "hot" RIFC hand. I hope it's out of my system now.
About your poor start and the waiver pool, with out the former, you efforts in the latter would have been less productive.
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| | | 168 | Ender
ID: 391134322
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:36
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I'm sorry I was out until now :( I assumed that since the site allowed the drop portion it was legal from that standpoint. I'd be willing drop Ayodele to make it legal.
I apologize for all the confusion. I tried to read everything thoroughly before I made the move, but was thrown by the week 13/14 thing. I could have saved all of this by dropping Ayodele to begin with.
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| | | 169 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:42
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No problem, Ender. I'm surprised the site allowed that to go through as well.
I'll swap out Ayodele and put back Moe Williams. I may have to wait for Williams to clear waivers before I can do it, however. For some reason, I can't seem to access players who are currently on waivers.
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| | | 170 | Ender
ID: 391134322
Sun, Dec 05, 2004, 23:54
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Thanks, Guru.
Hopefully Bulger will be fine and I waon't even need Vinny then the whole issue will be moot :)
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| | | 171 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 10:39
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Barring some really unusual scoring adjustments or MNF results, this looks like it will be the playoff seedings:
1 Challenger (20-6)
2 Taxman (18-8)
3 Ender (17-9)
4 GoatLocker (16-10)
5 Leggestand (16-10)
6 Motley Crue (14-12, 2811)
7 Guru (14-12, 2766)
8 Sludge (12-14, 2738+D.Jackson)
GoatLocker wins the point tiebreaker over leggestand, since they split head-to-head.
Motley Crue wins the point tiebreaker over Guru, since they split head-to-head.
The 7th and 8th spots are based solely on points. If Darrell Jackson gets about 14 or more tonight, Sludge will overtake Guru for the 7th slot. Otherwise, Guru will outpoint Sludge. Regardless, Sludge is assured of no worse than 8th, since he is already ahead of TB, who has no players left to produce this weekend.
Did I do the math right this time, Sludge?
The Championship bracket will be a 3 week, single elimination tournament with no reseeding.
The Consolation bracket will also be a 3 week tournament. Teams will be seeded based on W/L record, using points as a tiebreaker. The 3 first round winners and the top first round loser (from within the bracket) will advance to round 2. The second round will be reseeded.
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| | | 172 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 11:19
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I need Alexander to give 26 points tonight to overtake Goatlocker, and playing the Cowboys, this is a possibility. I want the coveted 4th spot to get the automatic invite to next season.
Ender, good luck taking out MC's frieght train next week...
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| | | 173 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 12:46
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No kidding. I sure hope Bulger does play, I'll need all the help I can get.
Of course there's the line of thought that says he's used up an awful lot of his points already, he can't keep it up, he's due for a bad week, he'll regress to the mean, etc...
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| | | 174 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 13:25
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Oddly, I got a response from Fanball that says that frozen bench players can be dropped (after they are frozen). Doesn't that seem odd? Essentially, you could always pick up any MNF football player on Monday by dropping a frozen bench player.
As far as I can tell, there is no automated way to limit this type of move (other than by Commissioner fiat).
It becomes rather moot for the rest of this season, given our upcoming player restrictions. But, for future reference, does anyone think that it should be proper to be able to drop a frozen bench player in order to add an unfrozen player? Am I simply wrong about this?
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| | | 175 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 14:03
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To elaborate, if frozen bench players can be dropped, you would have the option to move a newly injured bench player before the next claiming period, as long as you can pick up someone who is not yet frozen.
Example: Suppose you had Bulger on your bench yesterday. He gets injured early in the game. Assume that the injury is severe enough that you think he's out for the rest of the year. Under the Fanball rule, you could immediately drop him and immediately add any player whose game had not yet started.
It seems like this partially circumvents the claiming process. It doesn't allow you (or anyone) the ability to immediately claim the injured player's replacement (e.g., Chandler), since that replacement would already be frozen. But it does allow you a chance to grab an unfrozen player (e.g., Testaverde).
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| | | 176 | Ender
Donor
ID: 013443221
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 14:57
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That's a bit of a head scratcher.
Let me ask this, what advantage does the person dropping the player gain? What opportunity does he have that no one else has?
It seems to me that it is not affecting the frozen roster. I'd also say that anyone else in the league has the same opportunity to pick up an unfrozen player.
It does seem a bit odd, but I don't know that it creates an unfair advantage for the owner making the claim.
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| | | 177 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 15:49
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I guess it doesn't give the dropping manager an unfair advantage, insofar as other managers will also have frozen bench players that they can drop.
It just seems odd that frozen bench players should be treated differently than frozen active players. Frozen active players who get injured must wait until the following week to be replaced(for good reason, of course). Frozen bench players who are injured can be immediately replaced. This just seems contrary to the general concept of a weekly prioritized claiming system.
Frankly, if I had understood this to be the rule (assuming we had agreed that this was an appropriate rule), there might have been times that I would have managed a bit differently. For example, last week I dropped someone (I forget who) in advance of the Sunday games in order to add Shaun McDonald, just in case Torry Holt turned out to be inactive on Monday. I figured that if I waited until Monday to get the final word on Holt, the only player I'd have available to drop would be Holt - and that would have been a Hobson's choice. But, if I knew that I could drop any frozen bench player right up until the Monday night game time, I might have retained the original bench player.
I must confess I never noticed if anyone dropped a frozen bench player at any time this season. The only time I noticed late transactions, the dropped player was still unfrozen, and I simply assumed that this was by necessity.
That's why, when Ender mentioned his latest swap, I simply assumed that the dropped player was still unfrozen, without even thinking about who it was.
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| | | 178 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 16:49
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Adjustments made to GoatLocker's score...now Alexander only needs 23.2 points tonight to vault me into the coveted 4th spot.
As for the issue at hand, Fanball's allowance of this makes no sense to me. Although everyone has the ability to do this, I think that once a player's team has played, he is frozen, whether he is on the bench or starting.
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| | | 179 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 18:45
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Legge,
You didn't hear, Alexander is in Holgrem's doghouse and not playing tonite.
I wish.
Well, maybe he'll only get 23.18 points.
Cliff
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| | | 180 | Ender
ID: 391134322
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 19:54
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Sounds like Bulger will be out this week :(
Perhaps Dillon will run rough-shod all over his former team and score enough for he and Bulger combined.
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| | | 181 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 22:44
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Looks like Darrell Jackson will push Sludge up to 7th place, and the right to face Peyton Manning next week. I'll get the 8th slot and the right to face Donovan McNabb.
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| | | 182 | Sludge
ID: 48955820
Mon, Dec 06, 2004, 23:20
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I'm giddy with joy, Guru. Absolutely ecstatic.
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| | | 183 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:00
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Is that because you look forward to facing Peyton, or simply because I did the math right?
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| | | 184 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 00:04
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Lol
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| | | 185 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 01:15
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That last td by Alexander (plus the Hail Mary that went off Engram's helmet) kept me from going 2-0. Might even have finally eliminated me from the playoffs, though I think I would have lost the first tiebreaker of PF.
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| | | 186 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:37
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Re: 178, I totally agree. It's stupid and it shouldn't be that way. I think Fanball has some loose ends to tie up for next year's version. I realize we have a few unusual scoring aspects, but if they are going to cater a fully customizable league, they need to get with it and quit having these kinds of lame idiosynchracies.
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| | | 187 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:49
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If there are any scoring discrepancies to report, please do so ASAP. Otherwise, here are the playoff matchups:
Championship bracket
Challenger (1) vs Guru (8)
Leggestand (4) vs GoatLocker (5)
Ender (3) vs Motley (6)
Taxman (2) vs Sludge (7)
Subsequent rounds of the Championship bracket will not be reseeded.
Consolation bracket
Perm Dude (1) vs Mike V (6)
TB (2) vs cEHp (5)
deepsnapper (3) vs culdeus (4)
The losing team with the most points in the first round of the Consolation bracket will advance to the second round, along with the 3 winners. The second round will then be reseeded (based upon the original seedings).
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| | | 188 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:51
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Well Goat, Alexander didn't get the 23 points I hoped for, but Hasselbeck and PD pulled a shocking comeback to knock me into 4th. Feel free to take it out on me this weekend...Looking forward to the matchup and it should be a good one.
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| | | 189 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 08:54
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legge, I'm glad I'm not playing you. Your team has been scoring almost as many points as mine lately. That Gonzalez-Porter/Price trade was a boon.
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| | | 190 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 15:18
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I just put Moe Williams back on Ender's team, and removed Ayodele.
I also eliminated the ability of any team to add a free agent. All adds may now be done only via the claiming system. Claims will be processed at noon on Thursday, Saturday, and Sunday, but you may only drop a TE, PK, or IDP who is designated "Questionable" or lower, and then you may only pick up a replacement for that position.
Hopefully, I made all the changes correctly, and they'll work as intended.
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Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Dec 07, 2004, 16:11
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leggestand,
Yep, saw it coming as the game unfurled.
And just think, if I'd have played Volek and Bennett, it would not have even been close.
Oh well, need to do it the hard way now.
Best Of Luck this week.
Cliff
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ID: 031811922
Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 01:34
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| After Week One. 6 Teams Made Claims | Week Six, 6 Teams | | 1 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: WR Charles Rogers | 1 | TB | Drop: LB Antonio Pierce | | Add: WR Cedrick Wilson | Add: DB Jerry Azumah | | 2 | TB | Drop: RB Richie Anderson | 2 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: DL Dwight Freeney | | Add: WR Michael Clayton(r) | Add: WR Keenan McCardell | | 3 | Ender | Drop: TE Jim Kleinsasser | 3 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: RB Chad Morton | | Add: TE Eric Johnson | Add: Def Rams, Team Defense | | 4 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: LB Chris Draft | 4 | GoatLockers Bruisers | Drop: WR Tyrone Calico | | Add: LB Derek M. Smith | Add: DB Adrian Wilson | | 5 | Sludge | Drop: Def Jaguars, Team Defense | 5 | Ender | Drop: WR Randy Hymes | | Add: RB ReShard Lee(r) | Add: WR Jerry Rice | | 6 | Challenger | Drop: WR Ike Hilliard | 6 | Challenger | Drop: LB Jay Foreman | | Add: RB Dominic Rhodes | Add: DL Marques Douglas | | 7 | TB | Drop: WR Joey Galloway | 7 | TB | Drop: LB Travian Smith | | Add: LB Travian Smith | Add: LB Danny IV Clark | | Week Two, 8 Teams | 8 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: PK Kris Brown | | 1 | Flower Mound Cowboys | Drop: DB Sean Taylor(r) | Add: PK Nate Kaeding(r) | | Add: RB Aaron Stecker | Week Seven, 9 Teams | | 2 | Dilligads | Drop: WR Michael Jenkins(r) | 1 | TB | Drop: TE Courtney Anderson | | Add: WR Reche Caldwell | Add: TE Stephen Alexander | | 3 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: RB Ladell Betts | 2 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: RB Justin Fargas | | Add: RB Dorsey Levens | Add: PK Kris Brown | | 4 | TB | Drop: WR Steve Smith | 3 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: WR Kelly Campbell | | Add: RB Jamal Robertson | Add: LB David Thornton | | 5 | GoatLockers Bruisers | Drop: TE Kellen Winslow(r) | 4 | Culdeus | Drop: Def Cowboys, Team Defense | | Add: DL Patrick Kerney | Add: Def Bengals, Team Defense | | 6 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: LB Sam Cowart | 5 | Flower Mound Cowboys | Drop: RB Ron Dayne | | Add: TE Chad Lewis | Add: RB T.J. Duckett | | 7 | Sludge | Drop: RB ReShard Lee(r) | 6 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: DB Michael Green | | Add: RB Derrick Blaylock | Add: DB Allen Rossum | | 8 | Challenger | Drop: QB Mark Brunell | 7 | GoatLockers Bruisers | Drop: RB Shawn Bryson | | Add: QB Vinny Testaverde | Add: QB Billy Volek | | 9 | Dilligads | Drop: RB Julius Jones(r) | 8 | Challenger | Drop: Def Browns, Team Defense | | Add: RB Justin Griffith | Add: Def Texans, Team Defense | | 10 | TB | Drop: LB Cato June | 9 | Tax Returns | Drop: Def Bears, Team Defense | | Add: RB Michael Pittman | Add: Def Vikings, Team Defense | | 11 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: Def Jets, Team Defense | 10 | Tax Returns | Drop: WR Doug Gabriel | | Add: DB Jay Bellamy | Add: DB Antoine Winfield | | 12 | Sludge | Drop: LB Michael Barrow | Week Eight, 4 Teams | | Add: PK Morten Andersen | 1 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: Def Jaguars, Team Defense | | 13 | TB | Drop: LB Jay Foreman | Add: Def Saints, Team Defense | | Add: PK Phil Dawson | 2 | TB | Drop: WR TJ Houshmandzadeh | | 14 | Sludge | Drop: DL Shaun Ellis | Add: QB Mark Brunell | | Add: DL Tyler Brayton | 3 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: WR Ike Hilliard | | 15 | Sludge | Drop: LB D.J. Williams(r) | Add: LB Andra R. Davis | | Add: LB Monty Beisel | 4 | GoatLockers Bruisers | Drop: TE Jermaine Wiggins | | Week Three, 13 Teams | Add: WR Joey Galloway | | 1 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: WR Steve Smith | 5 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: PK Kris Brown | | Add: QB Kerry Collins | Add: TE Marcus Pollard | | 2 | Dilligads | Drop: RB T.J. Duckett | 6 | TB | Drop: DL Aaron Schobel | | Add: RB Richie Anderson | Add: LB Jay Foreman | | 3 | TB | Drop: PK Phil Dawson | 7 | TB | Drop: Def 49ers, Team Defense | | Add: WR TJ Houshmandzadeh | Add: Def Browns, Team Defense | | 4 | Flower Mound Cowboys | Drop: DB Michael Green | Week Nine, 6 Teams | | Add: QB Mark Brunell | 1 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: LB Chad E. Brown | | 5 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: RB Dorsey Levens | Add: QB Joshua McCown | | Add: RB Leonard Henry | 2 | TB | Drop: TE Stephen Alexander | | 6 | Culdeus | Drop: TE Marcus Pollard | Add: TE Jermaine Wiggins | | Add: DL Brady M. Smith | 3 | Culdeus | Drop: Def Raiders, Team Defense | | 7 | Ender | Drop: RB Jerome Bettis | Add: WR Travis Taylor | | Add: PK Shayne Graham | 4 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: DB Adrian Wilson | | 8 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: LB Dat Nguyen | Add: DB Allen Rossum | | Add: RB Jonathan Wells | 5 | Challenger | Drop: RB Joey Harris | | 9 | CEHP | Drop: QB Rex Grossman | Add: TE Chad Lewis | | Add: QB Philip Rivers(r) | 6 | Ender | Drop: DL Michael Strahan | | 10 | GoatLockers Bruisers | Drop: RB Charlie Garner | Add: DL Jevon Kearse | | Add: RB Shawn Bryson | 7 | TB | Drop: LB Danny IV Clark | | 11 | Tax Returns | Drop: TE Jermaine Wiggins | Add: DB Jerry Azumah | | Add: TE Chris Baker | 8 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: PK Nate Kaeding(r) | | 12 | Sludge | Drop: RB Derrick Blaylock | Add: PK Kris Brown | | Add: Def Lions, Team Defense | 9 | Challenger | Drop: LB Earl Holmes | | 13 | Challenger | Drop: QB Eli Manning(r) | Add: WR Jerome Pathon | | Add: WR Tim Carter | 10 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: DL Jayson P. Taylor | | 14 | Dilligads | Drop: WR Kevin Johnson | Add: DL Alex Brown | | Add: WR Tim Dwight | 11 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: WR Eddie Drummond | | 15 | TB | Drop: QB Rich Gannon | Add: Def Saints, Team Defense | | Add: WR Michael Lewis | Week Ten, 6 Teams | | 16 | Flower Mound Cowboys | Drop: Def Packers, Team Defense | 1 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: TE Marcus Pollard | | Add: Def Jets, Team Defense | Add: DB Edward Reed | | 17 | Culdeus | Drop: RB Lamar Gordon | 2 | TB | Drop: QB Drew Bledsoe | | Add: RB Artose Pinner | Add: LB Cato June | | 18 | GoatLockers Bruisers | Drop: DL Aaron Schobel | 3 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: LB David Thornton | | Add: WR Ernest Wilford(r) | Add: RB Jamal Robertson | | 19 | Tax Returns | Drop: DL Bryce Fisher | 4 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: RB Kevin Faulk | | Add: DL Jevon Kearse | Add: WR Eddie Drummond | | Week Four, 8 Teams | 5 | Challenger | Drop: TE Chad Lewis | | 1 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: DB Adam Archuleta | Add: QB Eli Manning(r) | | Add: DB Terrence McGee | 6 | Tax Returns | Drop: Def Texans, Team Defense | | 2 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: RB Reno Mahe | Add: Def Dolphins, Team Defense | | Add: WR Curtis Conway | 7 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: QB Joshua McCown | | 3 | Dilligads | Drop: Def 49ers, Team Defense | Add: PK Nate Kaeding(r) | | Add: Def Cardinals, Team Defense | 8 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: Def Chiefs, Team Defense | | 4 | Flower Mound Cowboys | Drop: TE Jeb Putzier | Add: QB Patrick Ramsey | | Add: WR David Patten | 9 | Tax Returns | Drop: DB Kevin Kaesviharn | | 5 | Culdeus | Drop: QB Ken Dorsey | Add: LB Jamie Winborn | | Add: RB Jerome Bettis | Week Eleven, 6 Teams | | 6 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: QB Joshua McCown | 1 | TB | Drop: LB Cato June | | Add: RB B.J. Sams | Add: RB Chester Taylor | | 7 | Tax Returns | Drop: Def Cowboys, Team Defense | 2 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: RB Travis Henry | | Add: QB Doug Pederson | Add: RB Nick Goings | | 8 | Challenger | Drop: WR Tim Carter | 3 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: RB Jamal Robertson | | Add: RB Mewelde Moore(r) | Add: QB Drew Bledsoe | | 9 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: RB Willis McGahee | 4 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: TE Jerramy Stevens | | Add: RB Chester Taylor | Add: TE Marcus Pollard | | 10 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: TE Chad Lewis | 5 | Tax Returns | Drop: LB Jamie Winborn | | Add: TE Marcus Pollard | Add: WR Joe Jurevicius | | 11 | Tax Returns | Drop: DL Jevon Kearse | 6 | Challenger | Drop: RB Brad Hoover | | Add: DL Greg Ellis | Add: RB Walter C. Williams | | 12 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: PK Lawrence Tynes | 7 | Challenger | Drop: DL Kevin Williams | | Add: PK Kris Brown | Add: DL Justin Smith | | Week Five, 8 Teams | 8 | Challenger | Drop: WR Jerome Pathon | | 1 | TB | Drop: WR Eric Parker | Add: WR Jerry Rice | | Add: RB Reuben Droughns | 9 | Challenger | Drop: PK Steve Christie | | 2 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: PK Doug Brien | Add: PK Jeff Reed | | Add: PK Phil Dawson | Week Twelve, 4 Teams | | 3 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: Def Saints, Team Defense | 1 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: QB Shaun King | | Add: WR Andre Davis | Add: RB Maurice Hicks | | 4 | Flower Mound Cowboys | Drop: QB Mark Brunell | 2 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: WR Eddie Drummond | | Add: TE Ken Dilger | Add: Def Vikings, Team Defense | | 5 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: TE Billy Miller | 3 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: QB Patrick Ramsey | | Add: TE Jerramy Stevens | Add: WR TJ Houshmandzadeh | | 6 | GoatLockers Bruisers | Drop: WR Ernest Wilford(r) | 4 | Challenger | Drop: RB Walter C. Williams | | Add: TE Jermaine Wiggins | Add: RB Ladell Betts | | 7 | Challenger | Drop: DL Kelly Gregg | 5 | Leggo my Ego | Drop: LB Andra R. Davis | | Add: LB Jay Foreman | Add: LB Derek M. Smith | | 8 | Tax Returns | Drop: QB Craig Nall | 6 | Challenger | Drop: TE Jeb Putzier | | Add: QB Brian Griese | Add: TE Erron Kinney | | 9 | TB | Drop: TE Kris Mangum | 7 | Challenger | Drop: WR Jerry Rice | | Add: TE Courtney Anderson | Add: WR Todd Pinkston | | 10 | Mötley Crüe | Drop: DL Simeon Rice | | | | | Add: DL John Abraham | | | | | 11 | RotoGuru.com | Drop: DB Jay Bellamy | | | | | Add: RB Mike Green | | | | | 12 | Challenger | Drop: RB Najeh Davenport | | | | | Add: RB Antowain Smith | | | | | 13 | Tax Returns | Drop: PK Mike Vanderjagt | | | | | Add: PK Lawrence Tynes | | | | | 14 | Tax Returns | Drop: Def Steelers, Team Defense | | | | | Add: Def Bears, Team Defense | | | | | 15 | Tax Returns | Drop: LB David Thornton | | | | | Add: LB Junior Seau | | | | | | | | | |
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ID: 031811922
Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:06
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I stuck this sheet in here because there is a lot of discussion going on in the Retrospective Thread and I didn't want to fill it with my view.
Sorry a few names are not the same color as the others, but at first I was going to highlight all the injured players one color and the "stud" pick-ups another color, but then realized it was getting pretty late. Somehow, I didn't put them back into the right color.
Culdeus, you only made a couple claims all year and I will leave it at that. Plenty of players were available and many teams never worked the waiver wire.
I grabbed Clayton after Galloway and Smith were hurt in week one. Clayton had 7 catches for 53 yards in week one. I snagged Pittman in week 2 even though I knew he was suspended until after week three. I would have prefferred Stecker, with Deuce being hurt, but he was already taken. My only "welfare pick, was Droughns in week five and IIRC was sitting second from last at the time.
Significant picks I see from claims:
Week one:
Clayton and Johnson. Johnson had a great week one and continued to be a top 6ish TE all year. Clayton was a lucky grab for me because of the Galloway injury. Had I not claimed him, I doubt he was on anyone else's radar with only 6 teams making claims and none after me picking up a WR.
Week two:
Stecker, Caldwell, Blaylock, Testeverde, and Pittman. Stecker was a good fill-in while Deuce was hot. Caldwell was hot until he got hurt. Blaylock filled in nice for Holmes, but later in the season. Vinny put up some good numbers for a bit. Pittman was taken with my second claim so everyone had the chance to grab him with their first claim or prior.
Week three:
Lions D, taken with the 12th claim
Week four:
McGee, Cards D, Bettis, BJ Sams, Moore, and Taylor. Okay, the season is four weeks old and the highest scoring DB is still a free agent in McGee. Cards D played great first 8-9 weeks. Bettis put together some good games with Staley being hurt. Sams was a returning machine till he was hurt. Mewelde Moore was snagged by Challenger with the 8th claim and the last of the first round of claims. Taylor was taken in the next batch.
Week five:
Droughns, Wiggins, and Bears D. I already talked about Droughns, but it is the first real "welfare: pick of the season and it's week five. Later traded for a better D. Wiggin was grabbed by Cliff with the 6th claim and I know he was at or near the top of the standings. He was later dropped and picked up by me. Bears D was Donny's third claim of the week.
Week six:
None. I would say Azumah, but I released him and picked him up a week or two later. He had only played one game all season up to that point and I didn't think he was on anyone's radar.
Week seven-ten and twelve:
None. No significant pick-ups, especially for players who hadn't already been on at least one team and waived.
Week eleven:
Goings and maybe Taylor (who I originally drafted). Both filled in well for injuries and both had been free agents the week before.
The more I analyze this the more I realize two things; 1) Some teams did not use claims to help themselves as much as others did and not because of where they made claims from. 2) Our waiver system was just fine
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ID: 031811922
Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:23
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Some final numbers to add. These are the waiver claims completed by team through week 12.
TB- 19
Challenger- 18
Guru- 18
MC- 14
Legge- 13
Taxman- 13
Goatlocker- 7
Deepsnapper- 6
Sludge- 6
Culdeus- 5
Dilligads- 5
Ender- 4
CEHP- 1
PD- None
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SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:37
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TB...Excellent spread sheet. The sheet I prepared "blew up" (size wise) when I posted, but from your data, let's make the following observations.
Team, # claims wks 1-6, # claims wks 7-13
Chall...6....12
Tax.....8....5
Ender...2....2
Goat....4....2
Inv@....1....0
Guru....6...10
Sludge..6....0
FlMnd...5....1
Legg....4....8
Culdeus.3....2
PD......0....0
TB......9...10
MCrue...6....8
Dilgds..5....0
The teams making Champ playoffs stayed very active (over 12 with most picks in mid to late rounds). Exceptions were Sludge, Goatlocker and Ender with 6, 6 and 4 respectfully. TB was the only non qualifier to make more than 6 picks.
I have to agree with TB's assessment. The weekly order set by weekly standings seemed to work very well for the players that chose to use it.
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ID: 031811922
Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:58
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Glad someone else posted because I am going to post another table. This one is all of the free agent adds for the season. Two columns. One is by team and the other is just an alphabetical listing of each player added. McGahee was dropped and picked up twice by MC, so not a typo (or copyo and pasto). Table will be in next post.
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ID: 031811922
Fri, Dec 10, 2004, 02:59
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| Free Agent picks ups through week 12 | | Sorted by Team | Player | | Sorted Alpha by Player | Team | | Challenger | Def | Browns | | 49ers | Def | TB | | Challenger | DL | K. Gregg | | A. Archuleta | DB | Tax Returns | | Challenger | DL | K. Williams | | A. Hakim | WR | Dilligads | | Challenger | LB | E. Holmes | | A. Henry | DB | Perm Dudes | | Challenger | PK | S. Christie | | A. Pierce | LB | TB | | Challenger | RB | B. Hoover | | A. Schobel | DL | GoatLockers Bruisers | | Challenger | RB | J. Harris | | A. Schobel | DL | TB | | Challenger | RB | L. Betts | | A. Thomas | RB | Sludge | | Challenger | RB | L. Johnson | | A. Wilson | DB | RotoGuru.com | | Challenger | RB | N. Davenport | | A. Zereoue | RB | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Challenger | TE | J. Putzier | | B. Bennett | RB | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Challenger | WR | E. Parker | | B. Dawkins | DB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Challenger | WR | T. Taylor | | B. Engram | WR | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Dilligads | LB | S. Foley | | B. Fisher | DL | Tax Returns | | Dilligads | PK | J. Reed | | B. Forsey | RB | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Dilligads | RB | E. George | | B. Franks | TE | Dilligads | | Dilligads | TE | B. Franks | | B. Griese | QB | GoatLockers Bruisers | | Dilligads | WR | A. Hakim | | B. Hoover | RB | Challenger | | Ender | Def | Bengals | | B. Johnson | WR | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Ender | Def | Chargers | | B. Lloyd | WR | Leggo my Ego | | Ender | Def | Jaguars | | B. Miller | TE | RotoGuru.com | | Ender | DL | C. Okeafor | | B. Roethlisberger | QB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Ender | QB | D. Bledsoe | | B. Sanders | DB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Ender | QB | V. Testaverde | | B. Simmons | LB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Ender | RB | D. Blaylock | | B. Stokley | WR | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Ender | TE | M. Pollard | | Bears | Def | RotoGuru.com | | Ender | WR | K. Colbert | | Bengals | Def | Ender | | Ender | WR | R. Hymes | | Browns | Def | Challenger | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DB | B. Dawkins | | Browns | Def | Sludge | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DB | B. Sanders | | C. Brown | LB | Mötley Crüe | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DB | L. Milloy | | C. Cooley | TE | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DB | M. Green | | C. Griffin | DL | Sludge | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DB | R. Griffith | | C. Krenzel | QB | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DB | S. Taylor | | C. Moore | WR | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DL | J. Smith | | C. Nall | QB | Tax Returns | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DL | J. Taylor | | C. Okeafor | DL | Ender | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DL | K. Carter | | Chargers | Def | Ender | | Flower Mound Cowboys | DL | R. Coleman | | Chargers | Def | Tax Returns | | Flower Mound Cowboys | LB | B. Simmons | | Colts | Def | Mötley Crüe | | Flower Mound Cowboys | LB | J. Peterson | | Colts | Def | Tax Returns | | Flower Mound Cowboys | LB | J. Trotter | | Cowboys | Def | RotoGuru.com | | Flower Mound Cowboys | LB | W. Witherspoon | | Cowboys | Def | Vote For Pedro (culdeus) | | Flower Mound Cowboys | PK | J. Carney | | D. Blaylock | RB | Ender | | Flower Mound Cowboys | PK | J. Hanson | | D. Bledsoe | QB | Ender | | Flower Mound Cowboys | PK | J. Scobee | | D. Bledsoe | QB | TB | | Flower Mound Cowboys | QB | B. Roethlisberger | | D. Brien | PK | Mötley Crüe | | Flower Mound Cowboys | QB | K. Holcomb | | D. Gabriel | WR | Tax Returns | | Flower Mound Cowboys | RB | J. Jones | | D. Gabriel | WR | TB | | Flower Mound Cowboys | RB | M. Cloud | | D. Levens | RB | Leggo my Ego | | Flower Mound Cowboys | RB | R. Lee | | D. Rhodes | RB | Tax Returns | | Flower Mound Cowboys | TE | J. Putzier | | E. Drummond | WR | RotoGuru.com | | Flower Mound Cowboys | WR | B. Engram | | E. George | RB | Dilligads | | Flower Mound Cowboys | WR | B. Stokley | | E. Henderson | LB | GoatLockers Bruisers | | Flower Mound Cowboys | WR | J. Jurevicius | | E. Holmes | LB | Challenger | | GoatLockers Bruisers | DB | T. Parrish | | E. Parker | WR | Challenger | | GoatLockers Bruisers | DL | A. Schobel | | G. Anderson | PK | Perm Dudes | | GoatLockers Bruisers | LB | E. Henderson | | I. Hilliard | WR | Leggo my Ego | | GoatLockers Bruisers | PK | J. Reed | | J. Carney | PK | Flower Mound Cowboys | | GoatLockers Bruisers | QB | B. Griese | | J. Chatman | RB | GoatLockers Bruisers | | GoatLockers Bruisers | RB | J. Chatman | | J. Fargas | RB | Mötley Crüe | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | DL | J. Smith | | J. Fiedler | QB | Vote For Pedro (culdeus) | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | LB | K. Dansby | | J. Hall | DL | Vote For Pedro (culdeus) | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | LB | P. Tinoisamoa | | J. Hanson | PK | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | PK | N. Rackers | | J. Harris | RB | Challenger | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | QB | C. Krenzel | | J. Jones | RB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | QB | T. Couch | | J. Jurevicius | WR | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | RB | A. Zereoue | | J. Morton | WR | Leggo my Ego | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | RB | B. Bennett | | J. Moses | WR | TB | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | RB | B. Forsey | | J. Peterson | LB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | RB | L. Croom | | J. Putzier | TE | Challenger | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | RB | S. Mack | | J. Putzier | TE | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | TE | C. Cooley | | J. Reed | PK | Dilligads | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | WR | B. Johnson | | J. Reed | PK | GoatLockers Bruisers | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | WR | C. Moore | | J. Reed | WR | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | WR | J. Reed | | J. Scobee | PK | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | WR | T. Houshmandzadeh | | J. Scobee | PK | Tax Returns | | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | WR | T. Pinkston | | J. Scobey | RB | RotoGuru.com | | Leggo my Ego | Def | Saints | | J. Smith | DL | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Leggo my Ego | DL | S. Rogers | | J. Smith | DL | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Leggo my Ego | PK | M. Vanderjagt | | J. Sowell | RB | Tax Returns | | Leggo my Ego | RB | D. Levens | | J. Taylor | DL | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Leggo my Ego | RB | T. Minor | | J. Trotter | LB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Leggo my Ego | WR | B. Lloyd | | J. Wilkins | PK | Tax Returns | | Leggo my Ego | WR | I. Hilliard | | Jaguars | Def | Ender | | Leggo my Ego | WR | J. Morton | | Jaguars | Def | Mötley Crüe | | Leggo my Ego | WR | K. Campbell | | K. Campbell | WR | Leggo my Ego | | Mötley Crüe | Def | Colts | | K. Carter | DL | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Mötley Crüe | Def | Jaguars | | K. Colbert | WR | Ender | | Mötley Crüe | LB | C. Brown | | K. Dansby | LB | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Mötley Crüe | PK | D. Brien | | K. Dilger | TE | Tax Returns | | Mötley Crüe | QB | S. King | | K. Dorsey | QB | Vote For Pedro (culdeus) | | Mötley Crüe | RB | J. Fargas | | K. Gbaja-Biamila | DL | Perm Dudes | | Mötley Crüe | RB | W. McGahee | | K. Gregg | DL | Challenger | | Mötley Crüe | RB | W. McGahee | | K. Holcomb | QB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | Mötley Crüe | WR | S. Smith | | K. Kaesviharn | DB | Tax Returns | | Perm Dudes | DB | A. Henry | | K. Mangum | TE | TB | | Perm Dudes | Def | Redskins | | K. Williams | DL | Challenger | | Perm Dudes | DL | K. Gbaja-Biamila | | L. Betts | RB | Challenger | | Perm Dudes | PK | G. Anderson | | L. Briggs | LB | Sludge | | Perm Dudes | RB | T. Hambrick | | L. Croom | RB | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Perm Dudes | TE | M. Schobel | | L. Evans | WR | Vote For Pedro (culdeus) | | RotoGuru.com | DB | A. Wilson | | L. Johnson | RB | Challenger | | RotoGuru.com | DB | M. Green | | L. Milloy | DB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | RotoGuru.com | Def | Bears | | M. Cloud | RB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | RotoGuru.com | Def | Cowboys | | M. Green | DB | Flower Mound Cowboys | | RotoGuru.com | PK | M. Stover | | M. Green | DB | RotoGuru.com | | RotoGuru.com | RB | J. Scobey | | M. Pollard | TE | Ender | | RotoGuru.com | TE | B. Miller | | M. Pollard | TE | Vote For Pedro (culdeus) | | RotoGuru.com | WR | E. Drummond | | M. Schobel | TE | Perm Dudes | | RotoGuru.com | WR | S. McDonald | | M. Stover | PK | RotoGuru.com | | Sludge | Def | Browns | | M. Vanderjagt | PK | Leggo my Ego | | Sludge | Def | Packers | | M. Williams | DB | Tax Returns | | Sludge | DL | C. Griffin | | N. Davenport | RB | Challenger | | Sludge | LB | L. Briggs | | N. Rackers | PK | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Sludge | RB | A. Thomas | | P. Tinoisamoa | LB | Invited 2 plEH, GaurNt'd 2 Win | | Sludge | WR | R. 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Leader
ID: 031811922
Sat, Dec 11, 2004, 23:54
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In recognition of his contributions to my RIFC team for this season, Deuce McAllister is being rewarded by being able to observe the play-offs from my bench. If I could go back in time and make just one different decision for this season, it would have been to select the 10th pick over the 3rd pick in our draft. Good luck to those teams competing for the Championship.
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| | | 199 | Sludge
ID: 571125720
Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 02:35
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Being a Saints fan makes it so damn easy to be a good prognosticator.
From the first draft rationales thread:
Oh, and TB, you're forgetting about one minor detail: Deuce plays for the Saints.
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| | | 200 | Motley Crue
ID: 181650
Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 09:28
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Since this thread is the RIFC Regular Season Discussion #2, should we start a RIFC Playoff Discussion thread?
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Leader
ID: 031811922
Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 12:10
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I suppose we should, but I am baffled that the posting of the actual waiver claims killed that discussion. I guess when you stop and look at the actual names and numbers, the "welfare" side no longer had an arguement.
Sludge, sorry to hex your team. Had I not drafted Deuce, I am sure he would have ran for 1900 yards this year. =)
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| | | 202 | leggestand
ID: 56811718
Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 13:00
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Ha! TB, the welfare side will always have a case! I think your numbers make sense, but I still think I am partially right :)
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Leader
ID: 031811922
Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 13:44
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I just didn't see it in our league this year. Even when I got Droughns, nine teams had made claims since my last claim. I am not opposed to maintaining an order for EVERY claim, but I do not like how a team can sit at the top of waivers all year, especially when they have the best record, have had no significant injuries, and the best team gets better when a Droughns or Goings emerges. Somebody has to have the best draft and someone else is going to have the worst. Regardless of how well you prepare, there is quite a bit of luck involved. It seems like the best way to keep the league competitive.
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Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Dec 12, 2004, 14:13
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In the long run, I was happy with the way waivers worked out.
I think we accomplished what we were trying to from the beginning.
My gut feel is to leave it the way it is.
Cliff
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