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Subject: Serious Biz '05?

Posted by: Great One - [95201914] Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:16

I am in. Great group last year... lets get the ball rolling and check in.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 18:54

I'll join ya again. Gotta defend my strap.

(If I didn't win, pardon my comment. When I can't remember, I assume I won. LMAO)

Great One
ID: 95201914
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 19:55

You must have gotten it confused with all those other leagues you always win! :)

We should award the winner a championship belt which they could display for the year as the defending champ. Afterall, this is Serious Biz!

Great One
ID: 95201914
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 20:02

I don't remember everyone in last year but from the thread I found a couple pages over I see...

Khahan, TB, Ender, Wiggs, Frick, Nerfherders, slosh, Toral.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 20:44

I am in. I was going to mention it in Mike's live Yahoo draft thread, but then he would have had us drafting last week. ;)

I liked the format from last year and liked the live fast draft. I won't be around much over the next week, but I am all for someone else throwing this together and commishing it if they want to. I am betting most of us will return to play again. I know we will have one slot to fill, though.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 20:48

Great One
Mike D
TB

Khahan
Ender
Wiggs
Frick
Nerfherders
slosh23
Toral
benapolis

That was the list from last year minus the one for sure not returning. The top three have checked in, so need to hear from the rest before we fill slots.

Toral
ID: 53422511
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 20:50

I am in.

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 21:36

in, looking forward to it

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 22:34

Damn I need to make a deal, and soon.

FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 08:16

I'm in. The next couple of weeks aren't great for me, a lot of traveling, but I don't think we want to have a draft this early anyways.

I was drooling this morning when I heard "Training Camp" until they said it doesn't start until the end of the month. $#!*

Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 10:28

If spots become available, I'm interested.

Don

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 12:28

We have one spot for sure, Don and might have one or two more.

A quick recap of last years rules and settings:
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (8 teams)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (20 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (2)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (6)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (5)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (3)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)
Mike D serves tea, beer and cookies during the draft
Great One sings top 40 greatest hits during the draft
Toral plays the piano during the draft

We can keep it the same or look at a couple small changes. I don't remember how QB scoring turned out vs RB and WR but we might want to lower Passing TD scoring to 4 or increase INT scoring to -3. I also think we should have Toral singing during the draft. Great One's insistence on resinging Culture Club's Do You Really Want To Hurt Me ala the Wedding Singer wore on everyone's nerves.

So far we have the folowing checked in:
Great One
Mike D
TB
Toral
Wiggs
Frick
Stuck in the 60s

We are waiting on:

Khahan
Ender
Nerfherders
slosh23
benapolis

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 12:36

I second the draft motion. Although depending on the time, I may be several beers in, and singing along to whatever tune I'm hearing.

Great One
ID: 95201914
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 17:46

"Do You Really Want to Trade Me?" that'll be Mike D's new hit single actually... :)

Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Tue, Jul 19, 2005, 20:48

Drafting is when????

Don

banapolis
ID: 596452019
Wed, Jul 20, 2005, 20:48

I'm in again. Looking for a rebound year

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 18:20

TB - can you email me? I have some questions about how well your IP trick worked getting around the firewall at work - and if you have an IP addy for Yahoo's fantasy sites... I have been recently blocked and its killing me right now. Right before freaking football season!

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Jul 22, 2005, 20:12

I can get to the yahoo site from work using http://66.218.71.188/ but I can't get past the login window to log into my account/teams. Everytime I try to login, it blocks the page with a websense window.

If I try to convert http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.done=http://fantasysports.yahoo.com&.src=spt&.intl=us to http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.done=http://66.218.71.188/&.src=spt&.intl=us, it won't log in correctly. I am pretty much at a loss on what to do outside of emailing yahoo and asking them to nix the word fantasy from the URL.

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 14:13

Been trying so hard to find a good web-based browser that would avoid the firewall but they are all blocked that I have come up with. This REALLY sucks.

As far as this league goes - first thing I nominate is starting 2 QB's. Last year QB's had hardly any value because only starting one - we all had 3 (MadDog had like 5) and then there were still a handful of starters on the waiver wire.
I know the problem is not enough for everyone to have a backup (12 teams x 2 starters and 1 backup) but that seems to work itself out with injuries and bye weeks etc... we did it in my work league and it worked out fine. Perhaps shortening the bench from 6 to 4-5 would elminate stashing an extra QB. i.e. my QB's had their byes in weeks 3 and 4 - I used my backup and after that let them go and someone who had later bye's wound up using the same guy later on.

I also nominate a flex position for offense. WR/RB? This helps with byes as well offering more options.

Pulling the QB's back to earth can be done two ways... I like INT's up to -3. So 1 TD and 2 INT's would net out to zero. And/or I also think it should be 30 yards for a point instead of 20.
The magic number for passing is 300 yards - so I think 300 yards should be 10 points. (just like 100 yards rushing/recieving is 10 points).

I would also like to bump up a point on some of the longer FG's cause I think the longer ones should be worth more (a 50 yard kick is the kicking equivalent of scoring a TD and should be rewarded with a 6)
I also think any FG missed should get at least something off... like a -1 for any missed under 40 yards or something.
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (4)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (5)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (6)

So in summation... items up for consideration -
1. 2 QB's
2. WR/RB flex spot added.
3. INT's = -3
4. 30 Passing Yards = 1 point
5. Slight uptick in FG Point Chart

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Jul 23, 2005, 16:14

In general I like the ideas. Have to look more at the effect of those changes to the QBs. Sometimes they can be reduced too much, and the league is ALL rbs...........

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sun, Jul 24, 2005, 13:22

maybe it should be -3 for INT's OR 30 yards per point for QB's. I think I would prefer the yardage switch and keeping the INT/TD rationo standard - especially since fumbles are -2 as well and that would be a bit more uniform for turnovers in general.

Ender
ID: 406351010
Wed, Jul 27, 2005, 10:13

I'm in :) Finally started checking this forum againm=, sorry for the delay. I was horrible last year, but I'm ready to turn things around.

2 QB's will work great if we have 10 teams. I don't think it makes sense for any more than that. I suppose it could be done with 12 (def not more than that), but that assumes that people will cut their 3rd QB at some point. If people hoard them then we will have teams who only start 1 QB once the bye weeks start.

If we add the flex spot we would have 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 WR/RB. I can go with that. I don't think it would be an automatice 3 RB's for everyone (mathematically it really can't at least not effectively). 4 WR per team may be a bit of a problem as well, but as long as we have teams trying both then it should be fine.

If we only end up with 10 teams then the draft strategy created by the combination of 2 QB's and the flex spot should make things real interesting.

I'm OK with 30 yds/ 1 pt.

I'd like to keep INT's at -2.

I don't like any field goal being worth 6. I have always opposed a missed field goal incurring a penalty. The fact that you didn't get the 3 is penalty enough IMHO. I have learned to live with a -1 on anything under 30 yds though if we wanted to implement that change.

I think that covers it for now.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Jul 29, 2005, 23:33

So far we have the folowing checked in:
Great One
Mike D
TB
Toral
Wiggs
Frick
Stuck in the 60s
benapolis
Ender

We are waiting to hear from:
Khahan
Nerfherders
slosh23

I was looking at the suggestions above and wanted to point out that we will be at least 12 teams like last year. We could talk about increasing it to a 14-team league. That would make it a bit more challenging, allow us to add a couple more gurupies, and remove some of that quality from the wire.

1. 2 QB's: I am cool with this if we stick to 12 teams. Definitely makes grabbing two good QB's a priority during the draft.

2. WR/RB flex spot added: If we add a flex position, I would rather it be another WR/TE. I am with Mike and don't want this to become a RB heavy league. As I was typing this I was thinking that if we did make it a RB/WR/TE flex I would really be in favor of adding .5 points per reception for WR and .75 points per reception for TE. I inputted the scoring formula into my projections and it brings the value of TE and WR much closer to the RB. Stud RB are still worth more, but it is an extra twist to keep this from being a predominatly heavy RB scoring league.

3. INT's = -3: I prefer the change in yards instead of punishing Marc Bulger and Kerry Collins. ;)

4. 30 Passing Yards = 1 point: I think we should go this route, but maybe making it 25 yards a point instead of 30. It brings QB's down a little but not to the point that the top QB's aren't still outscoring the top RB's. With our current scoring formula (20 yards a point) FBG projects Manning to score 459 points and Tomlinson to score 259. Making it .04 instead of .05 (1 point for every 25 yards) brings Manning down to 407 projected points. Making it .33333 (the closest I could get to 1 point for 30 yards) brings Manning down to 377. If we go the two QB route, then I am all for the .33333 number.

5. Slight uptick in FG Point Chart: Not interested in changing kicker scoring.

FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sun, Jul 31, 2005, 11:38

Just my thoughts.

1. I would rather have a 2QB 12 team league vs. 1QB 14 team league. With only 1 QB there are way to many starting QB's available and only a couple that are worth grabbing early. The result is all RBs with a 3 or 4 WR in the first 2-3 rounds.

2. If we add a flex spot it should be WR/TE, not RB. There is already to much need for for RBs. Who would you rather start? A 2nd or even 3rd string RB or the 3rd or 4th receiver. While a couple of teams 3 & 4 receivers will put up points weekly most won't.

3. I agree that it should be one or the other. If we do both we are punishing QBs and making the league more RBcentric.

4. As long as there is no penalty for missed kicks of 40+ yards I don't feel that field goals should be worth more than TD passes. I would take away the -1 for missed XP kicks. You alreay lost a point why make it a two point penalty.

slosh23
ID: 317242216
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 01:00

I started wondering about football this weekend with the opening of camps. I'm in, if I still have a place. I didn't have a baseball team this year so I have been hiding in the wrestling forum.

As to the changes, 2 QBs could be interesting but it would have to be in a 10 or 12 player league. As to the flex position I would say WR/TE and not RB -- RBs are already at a huge premium.

One last ?, were we doing keepers in the league?

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 07:13

NO KEEPERS!!!

;)

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 18:09

So what have we decided on, anyone set this up yet?

TB - I think you should just take our comments under advisement and make the final decisions and I think everyone would probably be cool with it... we are all just nitpicking more or less, its like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, I mean c'mon we all know I am going to win no matter what scoring system we use and will still get more trades done than Mike D even with no longer having access to the site at work which is a conspiracy of epic proportions end of rant... breathe... GO

TB
ID: 5809511
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 18:26

We have 10 of 12 managers checked in:
Great One
Mike D
TB
Toral
Wiggs
Frick
Stuck in the 60s
benapolis
Ender
slosh23

We can give Khahan and Nerfherders this weekend to let us know if they are playing. If anyone has their email addy, please send them a message. I will look through my stuff from last year and if I have it, I will send them an email too.

Come Monday, if they haven't checked in, we will grab a couple replacements. I know Tree is interested, so we probably only need one more. Once we have our 12 managers, I will post the proposed rules changes for voting and leave it out there until the following Monday.

Tuesday the 16th, I will set up the league. We will have to decide what day we want our fast live draft on. Managers who have checked in should probably toss out some good/bad dates right now.

Labor Day weekend (Fri-Mon) I am good for any day at any time, any Sunday I am good at any time, any weekday after 9 EST I am good. Saturday the 20th is a good date for me too. Saturday the 27th is only good for me if we do it after 7 PM.

Toral
ID: 53422511
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 18:28

Just checking in. I can arrange to be around at any date so long as I know it in advance.

I don't have a lot of opinions about scoring -- I know baseball scoring well, but not football. I will go with the flow.

Toral

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 19:57

Weekdays after 10:00pm eastern are optimal.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 20:13

I sent an email to both Khahan and Nerfherders.

Ender
ID: 406351010
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 22:32

I second Mike D's time frame.

FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 22:49

I can probably live with after 10:00 EST.

Assuming the kids go to bed without to much of a fight.

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 23:26

Wednesdays are bad for me, other then that I should be ok.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 15:58

I went ahead and set up the league with last years parameters and a draft date. We can make changes to the scoring or positions prior to our draft based on league voting results. I am going to put up the proposals for voting now. I feel fairly confident that we will hear from Khahan and Nerf this weekend. If not, any new managers added can read through and quickly add their vote. I will keep the voting up until Tuesday the 16th or until each item is decided, whichever comes first.

A quick recap of last years rules and settings:
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (8 teams)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (20 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (2)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (6)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (5)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (3)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)

Here are the three proposals I would like each manager to vote on. Please feel free to add any comments on issues you feel strongly about. For proposal 2, if you could put your first and second choice that would make it easier to determine how the majority of the league feels about QB scoring if we get a fairly split vote.

Proposal #1. QB Starting Positions
A. No change, Start 1 QB
B. Start 2 QB

Proposal #2. QB Scoring Adjustment
A. No change, 20 yards per point for passing and -2 per interception
B. Change yards, 25 yards per point for passing and -2 per interception
C. Change INT, 20 yards per point for passing and -3 per interception
D. Change both, 25 yards per point for passing and -3 per interception

Proposal #3. Flex Position
A. No change, no Flex Position
B. Add one WR/TE Flex Position
C. Add one WR/RB Flex Position
D. Change starting WR from 3 to 2 and add two flex positions, WR/TE and WR/RB.
(*note- WR/TE and WR/RB are the only flex positions yahoo allows.)

I will go ahead and toss my votes out there first.
1- B. 2 QB starters
2- D. Change both (2nd option is B, change yards)
3- I will cast a vote if a majority is required. I am leaning toward no change or if the majority wants a change, to reduce starting WR to 2 and add one each of the two flex options yahoo provides. One WR/TE position and one WR/RB position.

I played around with yahoo to see what changes we could make and we cannot specify different point totals for receptions for different positions. IE, 0 for RB, .5 for WR, and .75 for TE. If I could, that would have been added as an option for Flex positions, but it only allows us to give points for receptions to everyone or not at all.

I would like to keep the draft at 15 rounds. We currently have 9 starters and 6 bench. If we add a 2nd QB and/or a flex, I think it would be cool to have 10 starters and 5 bench or even 11 starters and 4 bench. It will certainly increase league activity with the short bench.

I clicked on a lot of dates for drafting while setting up the league and the only ones I could find after 4pm cdt were at 10 pm cdt. We can still discuss draft dates, but I figured it would be easier to set one up and go from the there.
The current draft date and time:
Your live online draft is set for Fri Sep 2 10:00pm CDT [ Add to My Calendar ], which is 27 days, 7 hours, and 33 minutes from now.

I am going to dig through my emails to send out the league invites and password. If you don't get your invite today, post your email addy or shoot me an email at tbraiders@gmail.com. Please include your rotoguru.com nic in the subject title if you email me.

FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 16:18

Nerf signed up for one of the AA leagues and left his e-mail address. It looks like the one from last year.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 16:28

Yes, it is. I got it from there, but when I went back to old emails, I found it. SITS and Ender are the only two I have not found yet, but I am sure I will find them and then send out one big invite.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 16:29

1. B
2. A
3. C

In a 12 team league, if we use 2 QBs per team, shouldn't their points mean something? Lowering them doesn't seem prudent......also QBs can help lessen the big value of RBs. Spreading out the number of RBs-----by adding the WR/RB flex----proportionately makes them less valuable as well.

Could make for an interesting draft..........QB? RB? WR?

Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 23:12

1.b
2.a
3.c

Don

Ender
ID: 406351010
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 23:12

1. B
2. B
3. A

I like 2 Qb's and am hesitant to endorse it in a league with more than 10 teams. But we'll see what the masses think.

TB, the email addy you used is still current.

FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 23:19

1. B
2. B
3. A

wiggs
ID: 18742221
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 01:21

A
A
C

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 09:54

The Champ is Here. The Champ is Here.

As far as drafting, doesn't really matter... though I think the best possible night for me would be a Tuesday night, but thats just being picky. I can make it whenever.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 10:12

Champ? Wasn't it the Serious Biz '86 you won? ;)

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 10:13

It was '88 and it was because nobody else was in my league... I just made a trophy for myself :)

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 13:45

You two crack me up! Good to see half the teams have already voted and a couple managers have added their teams to the yahoo league. Everyone should have received the league invite minus Nerf and Khahan. Still waiting on those two to respond in this thread.

Toral
ID: 53422511
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 13:49

B
B
B

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 13:58

I didn't even read the questions. I just liked the way "bac" sounded so I voted that way.

My team will be in Yahoo by tonight. Trimming some bushes is about to take priority, unfortunately.

banapolis
ID: 57727721
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 22:36

my vote

1. B
2. B
3. A- or if we do a flex do 2 recievers with 1 flex wr/rb/te

slosh23
ID: 317242216
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 00:29

TB I sent you an email for the league info...

As to the changes lets go:

B
B
A

And something you addressed but didn't put to a vote, I like the 10 starters 5 bench spots but if the vote decides to add a flex spot too I think we should add another bench spot. Just to allow for some protection of stars in off weeks I think an additional spot would be good.

Khahan
ID: 456411614
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 08:51

I'm in. I vote:
1. Don't Care
2. B
3. A

TB
ID: 5809511
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 12:21

Glad to see you are returning, Khahan. That leaves us with one slot open and I am going to invite Tree.

Nerfherders
ID: 12511815
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 13:41

Hey, sorry it took so long to respond. If my spot hasn't been taken I would like to continue.

Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 13:48

presuming i'm in:
Proposal #1. QB Starting Positions
A. No change, Start 1 QB
B. Start 2 QB

A. with 12 teams, finding 24 QBs can be tough. all it takes is one bad break, and your team is done for the season, because there won't be anyone on the waiver wire.

Proposal #2. QB Scoring Adjustment
A. No change, 20 yards per point for passing and -2 per interception
B. Change yards, 25 yards per point for passing and -2 per interception
C. Change INT, 20 yards per point for passing and -3 per interception
D. Change both, 25 yards per point for passing and -3 per interception

B.

Proposal #3. Flex Position
A. No change, no Flex Position
B. Add one WR/TE Flex Position
C. Add one WR/RB Flex Position
D. Change starting WR from 3 to 2 and add two flex positions, WR/TE and WR/RB.
(*note- WR/TE and WR/RB are the only flex positions yahoo allows.)

C. but only if you reduce the bench by one, and there is no second QB. there's got to be some decent players on the waiver wire. if we're not reducing the bench, then A.

FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Tue, Aug 09, 2005, 14:18

Much the same could be said for losing a first or second round running back though Tree.

If you spend your first round pick on LT, Edge, Portis and they are hurt for the season you are in a big hole.

By starting 2 QBs you have to worry about starting a dismal QB on a bad team, possible negative points. This helps reduce the constant string of RBs for the first 3 or 4 rounds.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 00:22

I am sorry Nerf, when you didn't reply to my email or post in this thread I assumed you were not interested in playing and invited another manager.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 01:18

We have had 11 of 12 owners vote and here is how it will shake out.
Proposal #1.
We will add a 2nd QB starter. I am going to keep the draft at 15 rounds, so the bench will be reduced to 5 with 10 starters. This should encourage trades, change up drafting strategy, and make free agents/waivers pretty active.

Proposal #2. QB Scoring Adjustment
B. Change yards, 25 yards per point for passing and leave INT at -2. QB's value slightly lowered but still more valuable than RB's. QB's will be rewarded for having a 250 yard game the same as a RB or WR having a 100 yard game.

Proposal #3. Flex Position
This was very close in voting, but if I add my vote to no change it tallies to 6 of 11. Heck, it gives us something to debate about for next years changes.

Here are the final league settings. If you spot an error, please let me know:

League Name: Serious Biz
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Fri Sep 2 10:00pm CDT
Max Teams: 12
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List Provider: None
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: December 2, 2005 (Latest date offered)
Trade Review: League Votes
Waiver Time: 2 days
Post Draft Players: Free Agents
Playoffs: Week 14, 15 and 16 (8 teams)
Roster Positions: QB, QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (25 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (2)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (6)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (5)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (3)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes

Managers:
Great One
Mike D
TB
Toral
Wiggs
Frick
Stuck in the 60s
benapolis
Ender
slosh23
Khahan
Tree

Eight teams have entered their team into the league and so far nobody has expressed any difficulty with the draft date and time. I need Wiggs, Khahan, Ender and Toral to go ahead and get into the league and I think we are all set.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 09:02

Draft time is a little tough for me in that I have to leave very early the next morning to go out of town. But it can be done. Another weeknight would work better. I know times were slim but they often put more out there. You might want to check and see if more are available.

I think that roster size is gonna cause tough decisions on who to hold/drop/add........ESPECIALLY in light of the 2 QBs. Should be interesting.......

Khahan
ID: 456411614
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 10:28

Can somebody email me the leauge ID and password?

Also, is that 10pm Central time? That's 11pm EST, right? If so, it will be rough, but I can make it.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 12, 2005, 21:47

I sent your league invite. Sorry 'bout that. =)

Ender
ID: 406351010
Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 00:08

I'll take care of it tomorrow. Sorry for my tardiness.

Khahan
ID: 456411614
Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 10:21

I'm in.

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 11:11

TB I dont think I ever got the info for the league. Could you please send it again. Thank you.

Ender
ID: 406351010
Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 23:06

TB, I seem to have lost the email. Can you get me another copy and I'll get signed up ASAP.

Draft time is perfect for me.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 13, 2005, 23:26

Wiggs and Ender, resent to both of you.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 07:09

TB did you check possible draft time changes? Just wonderin'......

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 13:14

I just checked and there is a 9:00 pm CDT draft time which wasn't previously available. I switched to that time in case it "went away" and we missed out. The 10:00 PM seems available on most days. I am going to peek at a couple more times and will toss it out there for everyone.

Toral
ID: 53422511
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 13:21

Hey guyz why don't we all get up and draft in the middle of the night! Wouldn't that be neat!

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 13:22

Hey Toral, what time zone are you in?

Toral
ID: 53422511
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 13:30

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 13:36

Here is a choice of some draft dates and times available. Although, some times are subject to disappear unless we react quickly. I was wrong about 10 PM being available on every night. I looked at draft times from 26 Aug to 7 Sep and listed the date and times below. I am going to need everyone to chime in on whether the date/time is good for them or bad.

26/27 Aug is a Fri/Sat
2 Sep is the Fri before Labor Day Weekend
7 Sep is Wednesday, the night before the first game starts

All Times are listed in Central Time
1) 26 Aug, 6-10 PM (list what times are good or bad)
2) 27 Aug, 6, 9, or 10 PM
3) 2 Sep, 6, 9, or 10 PM
4) 7 Sep, 10 PM

All of the times above are good for me. There were no Sunday good times nor any other weekday good times. We are currently set for 2 Sep, which wasn't the best time for everyone, but at least we looked to have 100% of the managers available to be there. Is 9 PM on 2 Sep good for everyone instead of 10 PM? Please copy the dates and times I posted above, paste them into your reply, and list your good/bad times and we will go from there.

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 13:50

1)8/26 Whenever
2)8/27 Whenever (@6 CST probably ideal for me)
3)9/2 Whenever
4)9/7 Whenever (but I think thats probably a little to close to seasons start)

Long story short - it doesn't really matter to me. :)
That Saturday would be good cause I will be home bored anyway, but again, doesn't matter.

Toral
ID: 53422511
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 14:00

1) 26 Aug, 6-10 PM (list what times are good or bad)
2) 27 Aug, 6, 9, or 10 PM
3) 2 Sep, 6, 9, or 10 PM
4) 7 Sep, 10 PM

1) All Times Good
2) 6,9 PM Good; 10 PM Bad
3) All Good
4) Bad

Toral

FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 14:53

I would like to start at 9PM CST. My wife will probably kill me if I tell her she has to put the kids to bed by herself while I have a fantasy draft.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 15:21

All Times are listed in Central Time
1) 26 Aug, 6-10 PM (list what times are good or bad)
2) 27 Aug, 6, 9, or 10 PM
3) 2 Sep, 6, 9, or 10 PM
4) 7 Sep, 10 PM

1) Good for me as long as after say 8pm central (I'm eastern)
2) The 9 and 10pm are good for me
3) 9pm works, 10pm I can do but it's tough that night
4) Can do it

My preference, FWIW:
#1, #2, #3, and then #4.......so, in order. ;)

Khahan
ID: 456411614
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 15:38

Best looking date for me is #1, August 26. And anytime after 8pm EST is fine for me.

My preference would be #1, then #2, then #3 and no good on #4. With Friday, Sept 2, I'm not sure if I'll be traveling or not. For #4, that falls on a Wednesday. Wednesday=bad.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 16:02

Still need to hear from more folks, but 7 Sep is out. Someone else before Khahan said Wednesday's were bad for them also and I forgot about that.

Choices still remaining
All Times are listed in Central Time
1) 26 Aug, 9 or 10 PM
2) 27 Aug, 9 PM
3) 2 Sep, 9 or 10 PM

Leaning favorably towards 2 Sep 9 PM which is pretty close to the season starting and seems like a favorable date for all 12 of us. Hope to hear from everyone on this and find out it is a good time. Seems like it took us about an hour and a half last year. Is that right?

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 16:22

yup

Tree
ID: 547441417
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 18:48

All Times are listed in Central Time
1) 26 Aug, 9 or 10 PM
2) 27 Aug, 9 PM
3) 2 Sep, 9 or 10 PM

Aug 26 is doable, although i'm up at the crack of dawn on Aug 27.

Aug 27 is definitely out for me.

Sept 2 is doable as well, but it is the friday of Labor Day Weekend...

Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Sun, Aug 14, 2005, 18:59

Sept. 2 works for me

Don

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 11:59

the 2nd will be impossible for me. If we must go with that date I will have to set up for auto draft.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 12:43

Do the other ones work for you?

slosh23
ID: 541148910
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 14:06

I'd say Sept 2 first and then Aug 26 second. Friday nights are much better than Saturdays. What no Monday night drafts available for Mike D to do a running RAW commmentary? ; )

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 14:34

I'll be glad to imagine there is a show on, and relay it to you. If I have enough brewskies, that just might happen...... ;)

Ender
ID: 406351010
Mon, Aug 15, 2005, 14:52

I now have an in-person draft on Sep 2 and will not be home in time for this one. If we could go with Aug 26 that would sure help me out. Otherwise I'd have to auto like wiggs.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 02:09

Okay, I moved the draft date to Friday, Aug 26 at 9:00pm CDT. I posted it at the site and sent an email to every manager. If you can't make that draft date, please let me know beforehand and be sure you prerank all of your players.

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 09:49

Groovy, thanks commish.

Ender
ID: 406351010
Tue, Aug 16, 2005, 15:40

Thanks you much :)

Khahan
ID: 456411614
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 14:48

Doh, Ok, now I may not be able to make the Friday Draft. Unfortunately, I won't know until Wednesday. :(

TB
ID: 5809511
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 16:24

I hope you can be there, but we have ran out of days to switch to. =)
My toll-free cell number is posted at our league site, so if needed I can help make picks for anyone who can't make it to the draft live.

Khahan
ID: 456411614
Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 17:17

Looks like I'm a go for the draft.

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 17:52

TB, I am not sure I will be able to make the draft. With my wife sick and in and out of the hospital it makes things tough. She is in now and supposed to be coming home tomorrow night, but with hospitals you never know what that means. If I cant make it I will prerank my players as best I can.

Ender
ID: 406351010
Thu, Aug 25, 2005, 20:27

wiggs, no matter what happens with the draft I hope she gets well soon. Those trips back and forth to the hospital are no fun at all.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 01:09

I agree and hope for the best for your wife and your family. Thanks for the heads up. My cell number is posted at the league site if I can help you out in any way with the draft.

FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 09:17

What is it about this league and family members getting sick. I missed the draft last year because my father-in-law was in the hospital.

I hope your wife gets well soon and wish you both the best of luck.

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 10:50

Thanks for all the good wishes. I appriciate them all. I am on my way to the hospital now, should be home around 3 or so then I will be going back around 5 or 6. Hopefully this will be the last day of this.

slosh23
ID: 317242216
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 21:32

Looks like the draft order is up...

1. Dragon Army
2. Khahan's Kil...
3. Frickin Idiots
4. Novas Supers...
5. Toral Bills
6. TB
7. Strong's Bac...
8. GO's Angelic...
9. banapolis
10. 3rd String QBs
11. Stuck60
12. Feed TOs Family

10th for me, crap.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 21:34

Good to see the champ drafting last.....lol

Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 21:42

Man, I think that's the same place I was last year!

Toral
ID: 53422511
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 21:43

And I hear it's non-snake too ;)

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 21:43

I think I just pulled a hammy........

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 21:56

Need you in the draft room

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slosh23
ID: 317242216
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:27

Great draft guys....time to trade.

You'd think Yahoo would at least let us finishing chatting.

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:28

Not the mighty Doug Jolley with the last pick in the draft!

Great draft all, very quick and smooth. We finished in less than an hour and a half. All drafts should be fast, live drafts.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:28

TB---flex spot would have helped with that WR comment you made. RB/WR. I voted for it (cough, cough)

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slosh23
ID: 317242216
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:31

I think we needed a couple of more rounds personally. ; )

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:31

So GO could grab some junior high school QB.........

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slosh23
ID: 317242216
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:34

I can't believe we flew through that quickly, glad to see everyone there and active...Except when TB held us up.

I think GO probably had Leinart in his queue...

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FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:36

Draft Dominator has the top 10 teams within 150 points of each other using only the starters. Granted that is with the free stats that come with it and some of the changes that I have made to some players.

GO is a little bit behind the rest of the teams for some reason :)

I think he went no QB so he can ensure himself of the trade title.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:38

Sandbagger.

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 26, 2005, 23:46

Except when TB held us up.

What was it, a 5 minute delay...lol. I am looking at the draft results and I am not sure if my computer was frozen or if I just thought it was my turn. I kept trying to draft Westbrook, but Ender drafted him at 25 and I didn't pick until 30. Did I actually ever get skipped or was it just a panic attack? It looked like once my turn (or what I thought was my turn) went by about 4 players flew off the board. It's all good, I got the guy I wanted.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 00:00

You never got skipped, and you just thought it was your pick bro. I told you not to mix beer, wine, liquor, marijuana, hashish, acid, ..........

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 00:06

But that's the only way that I can get the giant pelican to talk to me.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 00:10

I knew you had a secret advisor. A mentor, if you will.

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slosh23
ID: 317242216
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 00:10

It was the penguin TB, the penguin. Conditioner is better....lol.

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Ender
ID: 406351010
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 00:14

That's what I couldn't figure out. You were hollering about not being able to pick and it wasn't your turn :) Westbrook was my 2nd pick which came after you picked Collins in the 2nd round.

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 01:02

I dunno what I was thinking. I am laughing at myself now, but I thought everyone was just picking away after I got "skipped" and it was freaking me out.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 09:21

GO love to help your QB situation but I only have 2 myself......

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Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 13:42

1 down...

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 13:53

Interestin'

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Great One
ID: 25772813
Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 14:24

Yeah well, I screwed up the draft - and I regret that trade too now so not a good start thus far... but, I will find a way to fix things and overcome, just like the Angelic Diablo! (or I will get bloodied and beaten by the guy who stole my long time girlfriend in front of millions of people on PPV and not be able to continue while the writers continue to bury me by jobbing to a guy who has mesh tights... it could go either way really :)

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 14:39

LMAO. I thought about letting you have Losman for something, but wasn't really sure what to offer and like having a back-up for my byes. That and Losman has to be near the bottom of most other teams rankings. I already don't like 2 QB's because I see a couple teams at a disadvantage from the start and one team that is now going to be very tough to beat.

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FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 21:54

Just curious, who is the team to beat in your mind TB. I have most of teams pretty evenly matched, but Khanan is the highest ranked, via DD.

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wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 22:27

Of course Khahan is ranked the highest, he got moss for very little in return.

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 22:40

Yep, Khahan, but the more I look at his RB's the more I realize he isn't invincible. He does have a solid set of receivers and the best fantasy QB in the league. I am in the camp that believes McNair is going to be a stud this year too.

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Motley Crue
ID: 432501119
Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 22:52

And who convinced you of that?

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 28, 2005, 23:07

Myself. You should write it down somewhere so you don't forget it.

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Khahan
ID: 456411614
Mon, Aug 29, 2005, 10:51

Thanks guys, but I think being the pre-season team to beat is a sure sign that I'll get my butt handed to me.

Honestly, I felt my draft went pretty well and I had a tough team before the trade. But getting Moss and a better back up RB for essentially a bench QB and Joe Horn was too good to pass up.

With that said, I'm in the market for a RB and a QB and I have some dandy WR's to trade.

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Great One
ID: 25772813
Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 07:41

Anyone in here interested in one more league... email me using this link and I will send you the info. Drafting Wed 8/31 at 9 PM. H2H Yahoo.

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FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 09:43

Go figure, I'm going to lose to Khahan. That would probably be expected since my first round QB scored a grand total of less than 1 point. That normally helps you win games.

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Khahan
ID: 456411614
Mon, Sep 12, 2005, 10:15

That had to be a rough week 1 for you Frick. I counted 9 turnovers on your squad. Ouch.
That's only 18 points (only..yeah), but then you gotta figure potential points for lost yardage and possible TD's. Could have been a very close week.

At any rate, I'm in the market for a running back...still.

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 01:44

"Dude, nice hat. Reminds me of the Untouchables. Or is it "untouchdownables?"

"We're feeding you to TO's Family."

LMAO- This smack is cracking me up. Those are both keepers, that probably make no sense to anyone outside the league.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 07:56

Dem's fightin' words. ;)

Yeah, lots of neat additions. The whole team matchup page is so much nicer than last year. I like being able to pick the winners of the games too. Cool stuff.

Now if my team could just unbruise their ribs...

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Toral
ID: 10858715
Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 09:14

This'll change after tonight's games...but as of right now this would be the second straight week I've had the 2nd most points in the league...and lost my game.

Fun league ;)

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Khahan
ID: 456411614
Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 00:35

Wow! What a finish. 111.98 to 110.24 coming down to the last play of the week deciding our game.

I was praying for an interception, but it worked out just as well.

Great week and good fight Ban.

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FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:05

Much like the NFL a win is a win. I keep telling myself that there is no shame in poaching a win.

TB, bring it on!

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:22

Big win Khahan---like Frick said a win is a win. And in this league it's pretty hard to run the table.

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Khahan
ID: 456411614
Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:49

I'm not concerned about running the table....until playoffs. Right now, I just want to get in there.

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Toral
ID: 10858715
Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:50

Everything's going just as planned. I'm using up all my bad scheduling luck so none will be left for the playoffs.

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slosh23
ID: 541148910
Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 15:44

Don't worry Toral ... you'll win this week. I need Suggs to hurry and get healthy to have any chance.

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Khahan
ID: 456411614
Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 10:06

Congratz Mike. Good win this week.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 11:26

Thanks bro. I owe it all to my players. They are a great group to work with, even playing hurt to push me over the edge......many edges. This is a heckuva league, with all the parity we are seeing.

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wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 12:55

this might be a real long season for my team. Thought 4 TDs out of alexander might get me a win, but I was wrong.

Looking to trade alexander for a QB and a RB, anyone have any ideas?

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 12:59

Love to have him, not sure we could make a deal work though "Nova." ;)

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wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 13:03

I sent you an offer. Check it out.

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Frick@Work
ID: 158492310
Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 13:53

Wiggs, would you consider it for my other QB?

If you are interested e-mail and we can work on the details.

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Toral
ID: 10858715
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 07:39

"Life is unfair" department:

- top 2 teams in the league in points are both 1-2;

- the only 0-3 team has more points than a 2-1 team

Toral

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Great One
ID: 48842511
Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 07:43

The Angelic Diablo's are miracle workers! smoke and mirrors... smoke and mirrors :)

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slosh23
ID: 54857316
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 03:50

What goes around, comes around....

Get lucky for a few weeks and get wins with crappy point totals -- then lose with a good week.

Not to want to give any bulletin board material to my opponent but wow ... ender's team is looking tough.

...hopes the reverse jinx is in play : )

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Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 09:12

I would like to thank Daunte Culpepper for ruining my season. Everyone on my team is on the trading block. I need to shake things up.

Of the 12 teams in the league only 3 teams have scored under 400 total points. Slosh and Wiggs are both around 390, my pathetic team has not yet crossed 300 yet. Eh Gads.

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Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 09:30

Heckuva game with Ender this week. A few points seperates my 2-2 from being 4-0. Great league.

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 13:28

I need a QB for this week. I read that Holcomb is going to start over Losman and that has messed me up. I should have seen that coming, anyway. Nobody is available on the wire. I looked at a couple teams that had extra guys and was even thinking of offering Collins, who is on his bye, for a lesser QB on teams that have an extra guy starting this week. I just don't think I want to downgrade for a one week start unless it is some type of a multi-player deal.

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Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 16:08

Don't trade with TB......until after I play him this week. ;)

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Oct 07, 2005, 02:37

I just got home from work about 30 minutes ago and had lots of offers. I am pretty tired, but one deal looked pretty good so I sent a counter (only offer asking for a RB instead of Collins). I appreciate all the offers. I have a golf tournament tomorrow and won't be home until 6-7pm. If my counter isn't accepted, I am going to have to accept one of the offers in my box. Can't let Mike get an easy win this week. If I get home a little earlier, I will look over some other counters, but I am fried right now. Long, long day.

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Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Fri, Oct 07, 2005, 09:08

oh, just take my offer. :o)

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Oct 08, 2005, 14:26

Scott accepted my counter yesterday. I sent a note back with the offers I rejected. Unless anyone has heartburn with it, I will push this trade through later tonight. I will leave it up a bit longer and give everyone a chance to voice any concerns or issues with the trade. Thanks again for the offers.

Leftwich will probably be available next week to teams needing a QB or Frerotte will be available after week 7.

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Khahan
ID: 75331212
Sat, Oct 08, 2005, 21:02

I just saw that trade. No objections, just disappointed I'm too slow on the draw. I've been trying to piece together a decent proposal for Davis the past 2 days.

Been tough with my wife out of town, taking care of 2 kids and getting my house ready to put on the market in 3 days I've been busy.

Lack of bench depth on my team, though has been making it tough to come up with decent offers.

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FRICK
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Sat, Oct 08, 2005, 21:58

WHAT, the commish trying to push a trade though at the last minute, this is completely unfair.

Actually, I'm just joking, but I miss having MadDog pick up 5 or 6 QBs each week and trying to trade Alex Smith, Vinny Testeverde or Brooks Bollinger for Shaun Alexander.

Although that wouldn't be that bad of a strategy with starting two QBs.

I have no problem with the trade going through, I am going to guess and most managers expected it to be pushed through.

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Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 16:57

Anybody need a QB? I have 3, with a 4th on the way.....

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Frick
ID: 46991814
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:18

I need a completely new roster, want to trade? ;)

I almost accepted a trade for Daunte, actually I wish that I had acted sooner and taken the trade.

At this point, as a good Cubs fan, There is always next year.

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Toral
ID: 10858715
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:20

Untouchables need no QBs. Untouchables mow evil down.

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Toral
ID: 10858715
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:23

How did Mike D get #1 WW priority anyway?

I move he get put back to 12th.

All in favour -- ?

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Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:27

Muhahahaha.....

Frick, I bet that was a juicy offer too.....for once I'm glad your trigger finger is slow. ;)

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TB
ID: 1286814
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:00

I have Thomas Jones(+Benson cundcuff) and Mewelde Moore available at RB and I have Leftwich and Frerotte available at QB. I have to keep Frerotte for this week. I am looking for a quality receiver in return.

165

Tree
ID: 149461817
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 20:14

i've got McGahee on the block. i'm looking for a slight downgrade in RB and a starting QB.

i'm also willing to deal him straight up for another quality RB. i just don't like the Bills much...

166

Toral
ID: 10858715
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 21:20

"Lucci, [Ness's deputy] it's funny how these rats start to squirm when a little heat's put on them."

167

Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 10:43

Some incredibly close games this week. Khahan, I feel for ya. Losing by less than a point is killer. And to wiggs of all people (lol). GO, thank goodness for me Vick doesn't just run all the time. I needed him to try and throw, and he made just enough mistakes. And how about the continued parity in this league? Teams 2-8 all tied?!!?!

168

Khahan
ID: 456411614
Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:08

What really hurts is that every single decision I made was the wrong one and any single one of them done right would have been for the win.
I was trying to decide between Shockey and Stevens. I put in Shockey and Stevens out scores him by 1.6.

I thought about leaving Moss in just in case and would have taken out Moulds or Muhammed. Moss outscored them both by about 7.

I didn't have much choice in QB. I had to grab a back up and hope for the best. Unfortunately, I was out of town most of the day Saturday and missed my chance at Volek (outscored my desperation pick by 10.02 points).

Congratz on the win this week Wiggs.

Now, I've got some depth issues to contend with.

Anybody with a spare RB or Qb to trade?

169

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 10:30

Khahan, Sorry to have beaten you by less then a point. I know how it feels to be on the wrong end of that.

Dont worry about my team staying with the group this week, I have both harrison and alexander on byes. I would be lucky to score 50 points.

170

Ender
ID: 285713
Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 11:22

Now that I have made it past Week 7 I have a couple QB's available if anyone's in a pinch.

171

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 20:45

Teams 2-8 all tied

I was looking at that today. Wasn't it like that last year too? Went down to the wire on who made the play-offs and who didn't. I also noticed Scott is the 2nd highest scorer behind Ender, but is in 9th place. Ouch.

172

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 21:06

Khahan, I shot you an offer.

173

Toral
ID: 10858715
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 21:23

Thanks, Reed, I needed that one.

Tough loss, TB. That was a real barnburner this week.

174

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 22:02

Everything all right with wiggs? He didn't even bench his bye week players.

TB, I feel for ya bro.

175

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 22:32

yeah, all is fine here. I was pretty busy this weekend and just simply forgot to make my changes. not that it would have mattered anyways. I got killed

176

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 23:02

Before the game started I pictured Reed having his first attempt blocked and him straining his hammy and out for the rest of the game. I was going to go buy a lottery ticket as soon as it happened.

177

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 19:46

I am looking to trade Dom Davis, Mewelde Moore, or Thomas Jones for a stud WR or TE. I shot a couple offers out to teams that looked like they could use RB help. If you are interested in one of those guys, shoot me an offer or email. I really need another WR for this week.

178

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 08:13

TB, I shot you an offer. Would anyone have an extra QB, that would be an upgrade from Dilfer?

And yes I am wishing I had accepted that offer for Daunte a couple of weeks ago.

179

Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 08:16

I fired you a few of those my friend.....amazing the way things work out. That's part of the risk of trading, or not trading, as the case may be. But all this trade talk makes me want to deal. I can't help it. The addiction rears its ugly head.

180

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 08:44

I know you did, and I was going to accept the last one, but didn't pull the trigger fast enough. Stupid work getting in the way.

With taking 8 teams for the play-offs I still have a shot at getting in, but the fact that I took Daunte and I was an idiot and took a QB for my 2nd round pick have me in a tough position, stupid Draft Dominator ;)

As close as this league is, my other Yahoo league is even closer. 14 teams, teams 1-13 have 5 to 3 wins. For some reason the commish didn't allow decimal scoring so we have had 4 or 5 ties.

181

Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 08:48

I don't mind it either way---decimal or not. Ties look cool in the standings......losing by less than a point is like taking a dagger in the heart. So either way is cool.

182

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 23:02

I want to thank those of you who sent trade offers for being patient with me while I thought each of them over. If it is any consolation, Motley told me I should accept one of them, I was inches away from clicking accept on another one, and in the end decided on yet a different one. All good offers. Here's to hoping both players involved score mad fantasy points for the rest of the season.

183

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 23:06

What is this, an award acceptance speech????

LMAO!

184

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 01:07

I object to this trade....mainly because I wanted him to accept my trade. Ok, only because I wanted him to accept my trade.

Seriously, good deal. No objections.

185

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 01:16

They were all good deals. It was tough choosing, but I already explained that in my acceptance speech. ;)

186

Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 08:58

Just watch out for the curse of Marcus Robinson, TB. Here's to hoping you don't regret not grabbing him when you had the chance.

187

Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 09:16

He will be the top fantasy receiver from now until the end of the season.......but I'll still trade his &ss.

188

Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 09:43

I just read he is questionable this week. Not where he wants to be! This is a real opportunity. Johnson will be looking for a go-to guy, and M-Rob can't play the part standing on the sideline.

189

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 09:52

Sadly, I feel that McNabb will be joinging M-Rob on the sideline in the next couple of weeks. ;)

190

Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 10:01

Lol-----and here I thought you were going for the "daily double" Frick! MC, thanks, hadn't seen that yet.

191

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 10:07

Sorry, Brooks doesn't really interest me, WTF -25 yards on a sack, just throw it away already! And I already noted my thoughts on McNabb.

Hopefully Vitt will realize that Martz is an idiot and run Jackson 25+ times a game.

192

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 17:34

Shockey is available. I could use a better back up QB, or a RB or a WR (stupid injuries).

About all I don't need is a kicker, defense or TE.

193

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 21:40

Sorry Frick.........

by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com

"The Texans downgraded running back Domanick Davis to questionable on Thursday because of the inflammation in his knee. The team also announced that he was unable to take part in the team portion of Thursday's practice."

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TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 21:51

If you want to hold off on the trade until we hear something different I am cool with that. I think if I am an outsider looking in, I wouldn't be very comfortable seeing other teams in the league making trades with injured players.

I have Mewelde Moore available also if you want to swap to him. He might not have quite the stats Davis has so far for the year (not that Davis is living up to his draft spot), but he does have over 100 yards rushing and receiving in each of the last three weeks.

I just dropped my bu defense and picked up Gaffney to fill my 3rd wr slot for this week in case you want to cancel the deal. Let me know.

195

Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 21:57

Well, there went your depth, huh, sherm?

196

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 22:07

Well...truthfully, I am a nerd. I thought Cincy had a bye this week so I grabbed Arizona last week. With Cincy not having their bye till next week and getting back two WR from byes next week, I will be able to drop Gaffney or C. Henry next week and get a one-week D fill-in.

I do like the option of being able to choose three out of McCardell, Curtis, Driver, and Rod Smith to start each week, but not at the expense of trading an injured player to another leaguemate.

197

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 22:09

TB, that stuff happens. It's not like everyone knew it. H*ll, McNabb is now questionable. And he was just about traded yesterday. Things change. And that Davis lemon dude coulda been mine! On top of Culpepper almost coming my way a week or two ago. Man, if people would freakin' trade with me, my team would suck! LMAO!

198

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 22:15

Ummm......your team does suck.

=)

199

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 22:15

True. True. ;)

200

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 08:06

I am ambivalent about the trade. I would hope that he would play this week, but I can still fill my average, i.e. piss poor, line-up this week. The trade was made in good faith, but if other league members feel it is questionable or hurts the competitive nature of the league it can be delayed.

As for McNabb, I had a chance to acquire him also this week. I actually didn't accept because of the fear that he would shut it down shortly when the Eagles lose a couple of more games. That would have been par for my season to make two trades and have the two principle players both decide to sit out this week. Can I trade what is left of my scrubs for TO, I'd like to have a complete set.

201

Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 08:08

LMAO! Word out of Philly today is McNabb saying he'll playing Sunday regardless. I believe that. But I wouldn't have offered him while he was questionable. He's been banged up all year so that's nothing new. But never as questionable as he was this week. And let the Davis deal go through. It wouldn't be right to alter it at this junction, IMHO.

202

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 15:06

If the Davis deal was made before his injury or if both managers had full knowledge of his injury, I have no problem letting it go through.

As for TO....make an offer. :)

203

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 11:34

The league has gotten even tighter with this weeks games.

2 teams at 7-3
8 teams at 5-5
1 team at 4-6
1 team at 2-8

With 8 teams making the play-offs this is gonna be fun!

204

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 18:01

I got 2 words for ya.......Roy Williams. I went back and forth all week with him in the starting lineup......if only he played Monday night or something, I'd probably have moved him again.

205

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 22:55

I didn't even notice the standings until I read this post. 11 of 12 teams are still in it with 3 weeks to go. Ender and Toral are pretty much locks to make the play-offs, especially with just one more win each. All those 5-5 teams have to play each other, so I don't see too many teams getting to 8 wins. That is some Serious Biz parity. I am thinking that with the bye weeks over with, we will see the stronger/healthier teams pull away just a bit near the end.

206

Tree
ID: 411033165
Wed, Nov 16, 2005, 06:37

this is a huge week, as we've got four different games featuring 5-5 teams playing each other...

207

Ender
ID: 285713
Wed, Nov 16, 2005, 09:15

I love this league. I have had a good season so far, but even last year when I was flat awful I enjoyed being in it with all you guys. It should be a lot of fun this week watching how things shake out.

TB, I was going to drop Orton for a kicker Saturday night and completely forgot about it. At least it wasn't a factor in my loss.

208

Toral
ID: 541029611
Sat, Nov 19, 2005, 19:35

David Carr or Kurt Warner -- or maybe both! -- are available for an upgrade at RB or possibly WR.

209

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Sun, Nov 20, 2005, 08:17

Tree, not only is it 4 5-5 teams....but every team that is 5-5 is playing another 5-5 team this week. I would hate to be putting bets down.

210

Tree
ID: 441052207
Sun, Nov 20, 2005, 08:55

it's such a huge week. definitely a VERY exciting league...

211

slosh23
ID: 54857316
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 00:07

The season is closing down, and its time to rate your draft. Wow, I just looked back at mine ... I sucked it up there. Horrible is all I can say I give it a 1 (on a 1 - 10 scale). Other opinions on their drafts?

212

Great One
ID: 4910431620
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 00:19

I would like to see some post draft predictions of success and what actually panned out.

I didn't draft a QB, remember?! lol...

213

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 08:15

I'm don't think I have most of my draft left on my team. I would rate my draft as -5.

Good week for me.

214

TB
ID: 1286814
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 10:33

Great week for you and right back in the play-off hunt. I don't remember my draft picks, but I do remember thinking I got passed in the 2nd round and it wasn't my turn yet. =)

215

Ender
ID: 285713
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 11:32

I was happy with my draft at the time. I clicked on the link at the site to review it and saw that my first 5 rounds were very good to me. Westbrook hasn't been as good as I hoped, but he hasn't been horrible either. Lelie has been a dud and Duce Staley was a terrible pick. Then of course there was the Week 7 debacle, but I think I played it right by deciding to just eat Week 7 and not sacrifice the rest of my team for 1 week.

216

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 16:48

Overall I'd say I was happy with my starters that I drafted, but disappointed with my depth. I think in a 2QB league, having the 2nd pick, that is just what happens (In other leagues where I am, the second pick took a QB and is floundering there, too).

But the starters I drafted I still feel are very solid. Injuries and a suspension have slowed me down the past few weeks more than anything else and those can't be readily predicted on draft day.

There are a number of RB I could have taken over Ahman Green in round 2 (lamont jordan who went in round 4 for example), but again, can't predict a season ending injury. On the flip side, I think Chris Brown has out performed most of the other round 6 picks so I figure that's a win there.

Pleasant surprises: Indianapolis D, Chris Brown, Mushin Muhammed and Eric Moulds is starting to come around

Disappointing picks: Ahman Green (I'm adding him because even if he was still playing, I still think in retrospect there were better RB's to take at that point).

While my first trade gave me incredible depth at WR, it robbed me of QB depth and that has hurt me more than once.

My latest trade, while it did not pan out this past week, I think will go a long way to fixing my roster for the final weeks.

217

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 16:55

My draft was a huge dissappointment.

1st pick Alexander- couldnt be happier with him.

2nd- Harrison- doing alright, but there are alot of players doing better that were taken after him.

3- Trent Green- Yikes

4- Javon Walker- Could have been a steal in the late 4th, turned out to be a bust.

5 Hines Ward- not a bad season, but i expected more.

6- michael bennett- I refuse to ever pick him again

7- deshawn foster- didnt know davis would be back

8- Jason wi5ten- about what I expected.

9- Kyle Boller- Yeah thats right, my 1st qb and it is boller and yes he did get hurt. Lord help me.

no need to go any further- every pick is a dud.

218

Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 17:26

hmmmm....

traded away my first 3 picks (McGahee, Portis, Vick)...

4th round: Gates - can't complain.
5th round: Burleson - wow. up there with Jamal Lewis as one of the biggest busts in fantasyland.
6th round: Ronnie Brown - top 20 running back in the 6th round, so i can't complain.
7th round: Griese - i was satisfied, until he got hurt.
8th round: Branch - again, i suppose i can't complain. top 20 WR, 8th round.
9th round: Eli Manning - traded him
10th round: Charles Rogers - another serious bust.
11th round: Kevin Curtis - risky pick, paid off.
12th round: Marshall Faulk - risky pick, didn't pay off.
13th round: Ricky Williams - i was sure he'd get traded. if he did, would have been the steal of the draft:
14th and 15th - kickers and D - whatever. :o)

so in the first 10 rounds, i traded four guys, had 2 significant injuries (counting Burleson), and a major bust in Rogers. ooof.

guys i acquired via trade:
Favre - done a fine job.
Burress - cut him too soon.
Julius Jones - can i have another injury, PLEASE?!?!
Chris Simms - nothing great, but filled in when i needed him.
Isaac Bruce - pretty sure i traded for him while he was already injured. i'm a glutton for punishment.
Curtis Martin - as only gotten into my starting line up twice.

wow. i suck.

219

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 09:49

I've won 3 in a row and I'm still in 11th place. It looks like Khahan and I will be playing for the that last play-off spot.

220

Toral
ID: 541029611
Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 14:48

4 trade offers out.

221

Toral
ID: 541029611
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:11

I don't like the trade. Admittedly I didn't watch the trades enough to protest at the time, because there have been no problems in this league.

But I say it stinks like sh*t. First of all, an eliminated team should not be trading with anybody. I admit that I thought of offering Don some kind of sucker deal myself with the thought that he would probably accept it. Being a fool.

I think less of Mike for doing this deal.

If the deal goes through, I will set my roster blank and resign from Serious Biz.

Toral

222

Toral
ID: 541029611
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:17

I should note that my Yahoo! e-mail says the deal has already gone through. I call on the trading partners to voluntarily retract it, and on the Commissioner to, if necessary, reverse it.

Toral

223

FRICK
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:28

The league page doesn't show the trade going through. The e-mail I received had some of the reasons for the trade. I would like to hear from the 2 managers before any accusations are thrown out.

224

Toral
ID: 541029611
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:36

I throw out no accusations. I believe it was a good-faith trade. I think eliminated teams should not be trading at all after their elimination.

The e-mail I got listed no reasons. Maybe an earlier pne did. I will look for iy.

Toral

225

Toral
ID: 541029611
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:44

Whoops, I slimed Mike. Apologies. I am hyped up for the matchup this weekend so I guess I just read Mike's name into the other side of this sorry deal. Sorry, Mike.

Maybe I can make it up by us doing a deal this week ;)

Toral

226

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:55

Hey, if it's any consolation, I think less of myself for NOT doing this deal.

I thought you wanted a QB Don? Boller ain't no QB (lol). I think any of the 16 QBs on my roster are better, even a hurt Bulger!

I have no problem with eliminated teams dealing as long as no collusion exists, and it obviously doesn't here. AND I also had made an offer to Don, FWIW.

Huge loss for me this past week. I'm in Serious (Biz) trouble now.

227

The Boogeyman
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 21:23

I am the other half... By any measure you can come up with (i.e. season, last 3 weeks etc) Mike Anderson outscores Cadillac all by himself - AND he gets a starter in exchange for Schaub AND Anderson's backup as a freebie handcuff. (and frankly I started Anderson and Bell both on more than one occasion and prior to Bells injury they were both top 50 overall). So the unbalanced thing isn't even a question.

Now if you are saying you don't like teams that have been eliminated trading thats one thing I guess. I have never really had a problem with it... many of you know I manage to finish at the bottom of most leagues and I sure as hell make trades til the very end. I think its more unfair the that last place teams just give up and whoever gets them at the end of the season gets the freebie win. Nice to see Stuck is fielding a competitve lineup and fulfilling his commitment - the mark of a good manager IHMO.

228

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 21:25

I'm the Boogeyman, AND I'M COMING TO GETCHA!!
ROTFL

229

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 23:16

I do not see what is wrong with this trade and I am the team that has to face GO this week. I think the trade is very much in favor of Stuck regardless that he is eliminated. I am going to break down how I see the trade in a sec, but want to talk about the Dom Davis for McCardell trade to Frick made 4 weeks ago. I made that trade because I needed a WR for one week and it wouldn't hurt me to have some depth, but I also made that trade because I thought Frick was out of it and with Dom Davis maybe he could get a couple wins against teams I was fighting with for a play-off spot. I felt confident enough with my RB's that DD made him a stronger team while losing him didn't hurt mine. I don't know if GO feels that way, but I don't see the players he got helping his team more than the ones he lost.

If GO makes the play-offs, Cadillac faces Carolina in week 14. Anderson faces Baltimore. I know who I would rather start. Boller is a serious (biz) upgrade on Schaub for Stuck while GO gets the back-up to his starting QB. Stuck gets his Anderson handcuff in Bell for the Philly defense. The Philly defenses next 3 opps are Seattle, NYG, and St. Louis. They are the 15th ranked defense for the year while the 11th ranked defense is available on free agency. They are tied with Buffalo and Pitt for 11th ranked defense over the last 3 weeks at 34 points while the 1st (minny-62 points), 6th and 7th (KC-45 and GB-38) ranked defense are all free agents. The Balt defense is only averaging 3 points less a week over the last three weeks. Personally, I think I would rather start Balt vs Houston instead of Philly vs Seattle this week.

I would have liked to see Stuck make a trade a little earlier to get another starting QB to keep his team more competitive, but just because he is out of the play-offs doesn't mean he can't try to be a spoiler or finish the season on a winning note. Looking at the standings, he can't be a spoiler. He plays wiggs who at 5-7 isn't going to win any tiebreakers to get the last play-off spot.

Tiebreak System
If, at the end of the season, two or more players finish with the same overall record, the following system will be used to break the tie:

1) Overall winning percentage.
2) Fantasy points scored.

With Tree and Slosh facing off this week, at most we will have 8 teams with 7 wins or more. That means Ender, Scott, Myself, and Toral are all already locks for the play-offs. The only way GO doesn't get in is if he not only loses to me but Khahan wins, Slosh wins, Mike wins, and Tree (who loses to Slosh) scores 54.56 more points for the week than GO does. It could also work out if Tree beats Slosh but Slosh would have to score 102.46 more points than GO this week. That isn't going to happen. My gut says the last spot is going to come down to whether Mike D wins his game or not. If he loses, the last spot will be between him and the loser of the Tree/Slosh game. If he wins, the loser of the Tree/Slosh game is probably out.

I guess with all this rambling I am saying that I think GO screwed himself in this deal. He was going to make the play-offs regardless and he made his team weaker. GO offers me some wacky trades throughout the year, but I think he lost out on this one.

230

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 23:29

Yeah guys - I made my team worse, you should encourage that! :)

231

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 23:42

After writing all that up I had to go look deeper at the Minny defense. Looked too good to pass up going against Detroit. They are no longer available =)

GO, I gotta say I am confused on why you would want Carnell. Last 4 games, 249 yards rushing, 45 yards receiving, 1 TD, and 2 fumbles. 129 of those 294 yards and the one TD were against Atlanta in week 11. In week 9 against Carolina he only managed 29 yards on 11 carries (2.6 avg) and had a fumble. Maybe he is healthier now than he was and the 84 yards against Chicago is encouraging. I won't be surprised to see him do well against NO, but I think Carolina is going to contain him again.

232

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 23:44

You forgot Denver the following week against Buffalo and the worst rush D in the league too lol...

Things I accomplished... (it was a 3 for 1.5 cause I don't want Philly D at all).

1. Conflict of interest avoided - don't have one of my best players (Anderson) going against my defense in the playoffs.
2. Eliminated a platoon situation at RB despite the fact they both produced like starters.
3. Handcuffed Vick who is injury prone. This in a way makes Schaub a greater value than Boller to me - but only to me.

233

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 23:48

And yeah I think I bought low (or somewhere in the middle?) on the Caddy. I am predicting a strong finish from him.

234

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 23:54

I see all that as well, especially Schaub not having any value unless Vick goes down. Anderson has been much better this year than I expected. He sucked against Dallas, but that hasn't been the norm and his next 3 opps; KC, Balt, and Buff are all good match-ups for him. 5.0 ypc vs KC lifetime (515 yards on 102 carries).

Looking at more stats, he has 373 yards, 5 TD's, and one fumble in the last 4 games and that is with Bell getting 267 yards and 2 TD's and Dayne getting 161 yards and a TD "splitting" carries.

235

slosh23
ID: 54857316
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 00:18

Beyond the issue of a league member out of contention trading (and I personally don't have a problem with it), I too don't see any problem with this trader either. I think 60's comes out a better team and GO is just covering himself for the playoffs.

Toral, do you have any issue with the actual trade or is it just a problem with who its between?

236

Toral
ID: 541029611
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 03:23

I don't like the trade. I retract my "threat" to resign. I continue to believe that eliminated teams in a non-keeper league should not make trades. In a league like this, that shouldn't even need to be stated it should be obvious. It amazes me that y'all see no problem with this. I think you are all crazy. But then I knew that already.

I reserve my right in the future to make empty threats and whine about decizions I don't like.

;)

237

FRICK
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 06:14

Come on Toral, I thought one of the requirements for the Serious Biz league was high drama!

Actually I would rather have a manager try and and improve his team, even if he is eliminated, and put up a good fight than to abandon the team and hurt the competitive balance on the team. In another league that I am in I am going to miss the playoffs because I play teams that 1 and 2 in the league and the team that I am fight for the last playoff spot is playing 2 team that have given up for the year, one of the teams is still starting McNabb.

Hey TB, I until my loss to Khahan this week I was a dark horse for the playoffs. Are we having the Toilet Bowl this year?

238

Toral
ID: 541029611
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 08:27

On a serious note, of course eliminated teams should continue to try to improve their teams, through the WW. We have an open WW and always should, and if an eliminated team can scarf up a suddenly desirable QB, or whatever, they should. But not thru trading, after eliminated. I guess I lose this argument 11-1.

I wished to add to my comment that you all are crazy: that's why I joined, or applied to join, in the first place.

After I take the title, all will be forgiven and forgotten. Well, accept for the fact that I won. I won't let anybody forget that.

Toral

239

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 09:04

Toral,
I think you may stand alone in your belief that eliminated teams should not be making trades.

I'll go so far as to say that trades made by eliminated teams maybe need to have a close eye kept on them. But in this case, I don't see a problem with the trade itself.

As pointed out above, Stuck has an improved team and can now possibly play a spoiler roll. I have not looked at who plays who this week to know if that's even a possibility.

I'd like to know why eliminated teams should not be allowed to trade. All that does is take players out of the pool of options.

240

Toral
ID: 541029611
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 09:10

I'd like to know why eliminated teams should not be allowed to trade.

I recognize that my opinion is not shared here. I'm not going to argue just to be argumentative.

I'll just leave it as is.

Toral

241

Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 10:39

I'm not going to argue just to be argumentative.

who are you, and what did you do with the real Toral!?!? ;o)

242

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 11:17

No problem, Toral. I actually wasn't looking for an argument. Was just honestly curious as to your reasons.

243

Toral
ID: 541029611
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 11:26

Great line, Tree.

I have reasons but I'd like to regard the issue as closed. If you're really interested, remind either here or on the Yahoo! site about 3 weeks from now when the issue is moot. The reasons have nothing to do with individuals, just to make that clear. To me they are obvious and apply to any non-keeper league. Stating them now might seem like I was denigrating eliminated teams.

Toral

244

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 11:32

No problem Toral.
But I do have 1 question about the league....why is everybody set for a bye this week?

Shouldn't we all play this week and have the playoffs start next week after 8 teams have played through and clinched?

245

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 20:17

It lists everyone for a bye next week and that is because the play-off match-ups are not set until after this week.

246

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 20:20

GO's Angelic Diablo vs TB
Novas Superstars vs Stuck60
Dragon Army vs Frickin Idiots
Khahan's Killers vs -S-
Untouchables vs Feed TOs Family
Strong's Backbreaker vs 3rd String QBs

That is what I see on the league page for this weeks games.

247

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 20:56

TB, now I see the same thing you have posted for pairings. However, earlier in the day, this week match ups were all byes for everyone. Guess they just had a yahoo.

248

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 21:22

I saw a message that looked like they had some issues, so I bet you are right.

If you made changes to your line-up for the upcoming week, you will want to log on and make sure they took.

249

Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Thu, Dec 01, 2005, 08:15

Good grief!

Like most managers, I play in lots of leagues and tend to concentrate on the ones I have a chance of winning. In this league, injuries have decimated a team I thought might be competitive as the season began.

Toral -- your resident fool here would suggest that if you don't want eliminated managers to trade, you take away their incentive to post a relevant starting lineup.
To make your fantasy life a bit easier, however, I'll make it a point not to play in leagues where you field a team.

What we all complain about is managers deserting losing teams. As long as trades are made in good faith, there should be no problem.

If someone can point out how this trade was unfair to anyone, please speak now. I wanted an NFL starter at QB. What I got wasn't much, but it was considerably better than what I had. And I certainly didn't give away the store. In fact, I turned down two other trades that week.

Don

250

Tree
Sustainer
ID: 599393013
Thu, Dec 01, 2005, 09:10

my big issue with this trade is that it didn't end up with LT2 and Carson Palmer in my line up...

251

Toral
ID: 541029611
Thu, Dec 01, 2005, 11:08

I hopye you'll be back for nest year, Stuck. You were here first. If no one else has problems with eliminated teams trading, I'm not going to worry about it. I should look around again and see if I can make some deals. I didn't make any offers to elinated teams and so there might be a deal to me made ought there!. This particular trade is fine by me as far as talent/fairness goes.

252

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 22:58

Things are starting to finish up. It looks like Strong's Backbreakers, 3rd string QB's and Feed TO's Family are battling for the final 3 spots.

Good luck you 3.

253

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 23:02

Nah, I'm done, unless the defending champ gets a wildcard.

254

slosh23
ID: 54857316
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 01:48

With Akers not seeing the field it looks like I will beat Tree and not have to face Ender in the first round, whew...

255

Tree
ID: 36111465
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 06:15

man.

one stinking XP and my seeding would be totally different...grrrr...damn, the eagles are TERRIBLE. i hate you MIKE D!

256

Ender
ID: 406351010
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 07:53

That was a wild dog fight all season long. I'm glad I was lucky enough to be able to just sit and watch.

257

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 07:58

Yeah, I paid big money to have the Eagles get shut out last night......after I explained the scenario, they told me they'd have done it for free. ;)

258

Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 08:24

Good luck all

Don

259

Toral
ID: 541029611
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 09:11

By far the closest league and most even competition I've ever seen.

The only guy who ruined it was Ender, by putting up double-digit wins.

Take 2 wins away from Ender and give one each to Novas and Frick and you have the most amazingly balanced league of all time.

For those of us who were fighting our way through that thick foliage jungle, it was a thing of beauty anyway.

Toral

260

Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 10:09

Yeah and didn't Frick have Culpepper? A healthy Culpepper would have made a difference. I know we all have our sob stories (Deuce, McNabb, Bulger, Boldin, Roy Williams, ok I'll stop there!), but Frick with Culpepper could have been big.

Nice job Toral on overcoming the lost of Priest, even though he played a chunk of the season, and then Dillon as well. Nice job GO overcoming a QB-less draft in a 2 QB league, and ovecoming a big hangover the next morning (lol). Nice job Khahan dealing with TO and Ahman Green, and even Horn. Make sure to send Frick a Christmas card (lol).

And GO----Steve Smith with the 56th pick. All I have to say about that.

261

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 11:05

Actually I think Culpeppers injury helped me, at least I wasn't starting him and ending up with less than 5 points or a negative. This league is brutal, especially since I now have 3 small kids and don't get to sit and watch many games, I'm lucky to see most of the Colts games. I tried to make a run at the end of the season to sneak into the play-offs, but came up a little short.

I actually think I did ok considering my draft was pretty bad. S. Jackson was a great pick and Larry Johnson in R11 might have been the pick of he draft, but Culpepper in R1, JJ Arrington in R4, Andre Johnson in R5, NE D in R6, Stokley in R7, Stallworthless in R8 and E. Johnson in R9 were truely awful picks.

What did everyone think of the 2QB league, I enjoyed it as something different and it prevents the standard 2 rounds of RBs and the occasional QB or WR from being taken.

262

Toral
ID: 541029611
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 11:26

2 QB league -- fun. Easy for me to say because neither of my QB picks was injured. No wonder I enjoyed this league so much! I didn't notice any big QB injuries around the league -- Mike D, others, have any big QB injuries? I thought not ;) I didn't see any myself. (Nor any big RB injuries. Holmes? Who is he? Don't remember the name. I always try to field a good full team, one way or another.)

OTOH my strategy of picking up Carr early as a sure-fire QB3 caused consternation in the draft and I thought it was real smart. Boy, how much was I offered by GO for Carr. Basically "Anything you want or need, it can be arranged." And then Carr totally sucked. Couldn't trade him. Have thought for about 6 weeks of just releasing him, wondered if anyone would bother to pick him up.

But as to the concept -- yeah, I like it. Better to have to scour the WW for QBs than for RBs and WRs like everywhere else.

Oh, before I forget -- this league has way too short a bench. Way too short. I would add 4.

OK, no one will agree -- so let's compromise. Add 2 or just 1 next year. Please.

Toral

263

Frick@Work
Donor
ID: 3410101718
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 12:02

I agree that we need a slightly expanded bench, but not 4, unless you want to be next years MadDog and grab every QB each week and hold them hostage.

Injuries are a part of the game, but the mad grabs for QBs was maddening, especially when teams decide "Hey, even though player X is 3rd on the depth chart, will give him the start of #2."

264

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 16:36

I had my extra win, it was stolen from me with a 50 point night out of Seattle defense. No, I am not bitter, well, maybe alittle.

265

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 17:35

Wiggs, I believe you stole an extra win from me...say around week 7 (81.86 vs 81.20 for the final).

For next year, I think we need to add back that wr/rb flex spot. In an odd way, I think it helps when you have a weak position. There were quite a few weeks that my RBs just plain sucked (well, ok, that was almost every week), but being able to use my depth at WR would have been a great asset to me.

266

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 19:02

Khahan, I know i squeeked one out against you, but I didnt drop a 50 on you from a from a team that has only scored 120 the other 12 games.

267

TB
ID: 37373017
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 19:06

It is already making my head hurt with people saying they liked having 2 QB's. Doh!

268

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 19:32

I agree with TB, my team was a merry go round rotating in new qbs each week. Or I should say, rotating in new weak qbs each week.

269

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 01:01

LOL

We will, of course, vote on any changes for next year and go with whatever the majority decides. I didn't like the two QB's, because some weeks the match-ups looked very unbalanced. With a season of 2 QB's under everyone's belt, it should balance itself out a bit more next year if we stick with it. Hopefully, we can keep the same group together again. This year was great.

270

Stuck in the 60s
Dude
ID: 274132811
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 07:50

Having two QBs definitely changes the draft strategy and is probably a good idea just because it forces you to think differently.

Don

271

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 22:42

I wouldn't even attempt to rate my draft due to the QB disaster :)

I guess I did have Steve Smith pegged right though cause I would imagine me taking him in the 5th round had to be higher than most people would have expected him to go (I think).

But then 6/7/8?! god... Baltimore D, Coles and Vinatieri. I tried a strategy of locking up TE/D/K etc early on and it didn't really work out.

I got pummelled for moving Moss for Horn/Roelisberger which worked out ok.

TB - re post 229 - guess you are glad I made my team weaker by adding Cadillac and moving Anderson lol... weird how that worked out so beautifully and against you nonetheless. Hopefully Vick can finish it off tomorrow. With my luck he will come down with a stomach flu and take the night off... good luck either way.

272

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 23:00

I don't have live-scoring, but am guessing you are kicking my butt. Obviously, I didn't expect Williams to do so well against Carolina. Fortunate it turned out well for you in case I wanted to gloat over reversed circumstances. I think you already gave me two losses this year so a third wouldn't be too surprising.

273

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 17:47

I believe I am 15 behind with Vick + Horn... the way my luck has gone in my other leagues I would expect these two take the night off and you hang on to the lead :)

Good luck.

274

Khahan
ID: 239483116
Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 17:51

Well, it seems my season is over. To those of you who picked me as the pre-season team to beat...thanks.

I did make the playoffs, even if I didn't get very far.

heh, I can't even bitch sour grapes and complain that my team let me down. Toral just plain beat me this week. Good week and good luck in the future Toral.

I'll remember this for next season.

275

Ender
ID: 285713
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 11:48

Wow, just squeaked by this weekend.

I love my Colts, but I hope this weekend is a shootout with Indy coming out on top. I need a big weekend from LT.

276

Toral
ID: 541029611
Fri, Dec 23, 2005, 18:35

The excitement over this World Championship game is clearly reaching a fever pitch ;)

Who has a prediction?

277

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Fri, Dec 23, 2005, 20:34

I'm taking Ender...

278

Toral
ID: 541029611
Fri, Dec 23, 2005, 21:00

Ok, who has a different prediction....

279

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sat, Dec 24, 2005, 18:04

Me. I feel LT will be shut down, with him being dinged up an all. And Santana Moss will be huge......

280

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sun, Dec 25, 2005, 10:17

Congrats to Toral.

281

Ender
ID: 406351010
Sun, Dec 25, 2005, 10:55

Yikes. It would have been nice if I'd have at least shown up for my own title game. guys would have to be huge today and I just don't see it swinging my way.

282

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sun, Dec 25, 2005, 11:47

Looks like I'll win my other league because the other dude had LT. I think that will be the fantasy story of the year, unfortunately.

283

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Sun, Dec 25, 2005, 12:48

No kidding, my biggest money league LT let me down big time.

I finish the regular season in first in 3 of 5 leagues and come away with 0 first place playoff finishes. Horrible football season for me..

284

Toral
ID: 541029611
Mon, Dec 26, 2005, 23:08

I accept your nomination as League Champion.

Thanx all for the great competition.

Special thanx to my lucky charm, last-round draft choice Willie Parker.

Mike D, you can send along the Big Brown Banana, emblematic of league supremacy, any time and I'll hold it till next year ;)

Toral

285

TB at bro's
ID: 331153278
Tue, Dec 27, 2005, 10:04

Congrats Toral. Great season by you and Ender and a fitting championship match. I thought Ender was the clear favorite, but as the old adage suggests, on any given Sunday...err..Saturday and Sunday and Monday.

Hope we can get the same crew together again next year. This is easily one of my more enjoyable leagues.

286

-S-
ID: 35725821
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 22:25

I'm in, I can draft any night after 6pm.

287

Ender
ID: 5963859
Fri, Aug 11, 2006, 09:57

Wow, I never congratulated Toral? I hope I did it on the Yahoo board and that's why it's not here. If I didn't, Congrats, Toral. Better late than never I suppose :)

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