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Subject: Gurupie 24 '05 Discussion V

  Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 16:22
We continue on...

As far as the poll goes for the Keeper dilemma, there is not a majority--as often happens when there are three choices. Two of our managers did not participate. Since it was on the site, it is annonymous and people can not change their vote.

Currently 8 of our 24 managers (1/3) wish to cut the Keepers from 9 to 8 immediately. 5 more want to cut the Keepers from 9 to 8 but not until after next year. 9 wish to keep them where they are. Nothing can be done because there is no mandate short of having a vote with only two choices. However, that can be tough as those 5 will be forced to not being able to vote to reduce keepers at all or be forced to do so immediately. One can read it like 13 want to reduce keepers or that 14 do not want to do it right now--both majorites. We are well past our halfway point on the year so forcing a vote may cause some people to vote for something they ultimately don't want. My guess is that we should wait until next year to vote and I'm one of the ones that voted we should change it immediately.
 
1beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 16:38 		I read it like this,

14 owners want 9 keepers for next year
13 owners want 8 keepers for 2007

Why can't we accomodate both majorities?
 
2Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 17:34 		bmd, that would mean that we don't vote until next year, like I suggested initially.
 
3Toral
ID: 541029611
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 18:06 		I'm not clear why there is the need for a revote, unless there is some reason that there might be people who would be in favour of reducing keepers starting next year, but against reducing keepers if the reduction can't come into effect until 2007.

Toral
 
4StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 18:35 		Good point about the Vikings D Toral. They have scored negative points in 3 out of 9 games this year.
 
5Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 19:08 		Toral, ask Doug. ;)

I've said all along we should wait until before next year started before voting. That poll was just put up in lieu of a formal vote to see if a formal vote was needed.
 
6Toral
ID: 541029611
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 19:20 		Right. That discussion will be a good icebreaker for the 2006 preseason, as the vote will have to take place before any trades or keeper declarations.

Toral
 
7beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Mon, Nov 21, 2005, 23:35 		Whew, pass intended for Wiggins in the end zone. That could've cost me the game.
 
8Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 11:50 		I think I found all the adjustments. This week's games made the playoff teams a little more clearer...or did they? Just one team, my Colts have clinched their division. The (B)East the past three years, producing the League Champion every year is now reduced to just one representative for the playoffs--well that is unless bmd loses out and one of the 4-7 teams in the East win out and get in on a tiebreak. Unlikely, but possible.

A Huge win by thk and loss by CT has opened up the NFC North. If thk wins out, he will clinch his division. CT has scored a ton of points but lost five games. Call it bad luck. Call it inconsistency, but with all his points scored, all he needs is a tie to move on it seems as only StL Cards' 49ers have scored more.

In the AFC West, Both sw's Chiefs and Doug's Raiders have clinched a playoff spot but the division title and perhaps #1 seed is still up in the air. At this point, my Colts have the tiebreak if we tie, so unless Doug can gain a game on him, he can do no better than a 3rd seed. If sw wins out, he's got it.

The NFC South is stacked. Toral's Saints had a HUGE week to not only knock down a team they are chasing, but save their season with the win. Still has some work to do. AF's Falcons had to have this win as well. Neither can touch CT's points, but both are closing in on Pete's Cowboys and another loss by CT could end it for him. bj21's Rams have more points but still need wins as CT is only a game back. StL Cards' at 9-2 and a boatload of points haven't clinched the division, but another win with all those points will virtually assure him of that spot. In fact, it is highly unlikely he will not make the playoffs with all those points--even if he lost the last three games.

Toral got 10 to outclass us all in Pick'ems this week. Next closest was 8 right by several including Promize who still holds the slimmest of margins overall. Still anybody's title with a half dozen managers in the mix.

Congrats to StL Cards who unseats my '02 team in Most times Highest Points For the Week -- Season. He now has had the highest score for the week five times this year. He's also moving up on number of times hitting 100 points for season and overall and highest points for the week overall. He has been dominating this year and odds on favorite to take our plaque. But remember, it's head-to-head and one bad week could end it for you (or a great week by your opponent)!

Trade deadline is approaching. Remember you are required to have a player on your roster for one week before the playoffs arrive. So trading and add/drops will be turned off right before week 13. We are approaching week 12.
 
9Action Figure
ID: 287231610
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 12:05 		REF, Thanks for the insight on the playoff possibilities. Things are shaping up but I still have much work to do. As always this league is a blast.

 
10beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 12:31 		Ref, nice write up. However, we only have 2 weeks regular season games left.
 
11Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 13:08 		Yep, I'm stupid.

Remember this is a short week with Thanksgiving games on Thursday. Adjust your planning accordingly.
 
12THK
ID: 510431422
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 15:10 		Only 5 teams in the entire league have over 800 points against. All are in the NFC; 4 of which are in the NFC North.

How Zona lost 5 games amazes me. His remaining schedule is pretty tough with AtL and StL, while I have Philly and a pretty solid Saints team. My playoff hopes and destiny are in my hands. Win 2 games and I can't be held out. CT's Cards needs help even for a WC, which is amazing. His game against StL will probably decide on the WC slots (assuming I win out).

Hopefully I can hold off. Can't believe I am 3rd ranked in points, with one of the toughest schedules, without Duece, and KJ playing like crap and my team is still in first in the division! Hopefully my team is built for a dynasty.

If anybody is interested in Duece I am completely open to offers, both for help this season, picks or future. Just seeing what kind of offers I get.

THK
 
13THK
ID: 510431422
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 15:51 		Hopefully Toral didn't take me on this one like he did last time...

Note: I still think KJ will be a top 10 back in the future.

THK
 
14Toral
ID: 541029611
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 15:57 		Tried to get more info on torn ACLs before trading, but I so need a starting RB next year.

We'll see how it goes.

Toral
 
15THK
ID: 510431422
Tue, Nov 22, 2005, 19:32 		I sure wish #1 tiebreaker was H2H then I wouldn't have to worry about Zona, as I would have to lose both of my remaining games for him to even have a chance to pass me.

Looking back at my losses:
My first 2 losses my opponents combined for 237 points. My 3rd loss I was defeated by 0.20 points in a so-so week for both teams. Then my latest lost I was missing Palmer and CJ.

Makes me pretty excited about my season, even without Duece. Hopefully the latest deal can have me competing for the title.

THK
 
16Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 14:30 		Well, thk, as bad as your first trade with Toral was this year, at least you got back some of it. I should have gotten a TON more for Priest or held onto him. But, I panicked.

Final reminder, Free Agent players will be locked out 5 mins before the games TOMORROW. Same for Pick'ems. You may still adjust lineups up to 5 mins. before that individual player's team plays if you have a spot to move him to (a player already played and locked into position). Nothing has changed, just reminding once again. I saw a few teams that still need to adjust their lineups.
 
17THK
ID: 510431422
Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 19:29 		Yea, looking back on that deal Toral took me pretty badly.

#5 overall wasn't much just like I thought.
Stallworth isn't amounting to much like I thought.
1st round won't be much like I thought (with 4 O studs already).

Steve Smith was just a stud that I didn't expect him to be and KJ has honestly just flopped so far. I still think he will turn it around and with a base of Palmer, KJ, CJ and Smith that won't change for years...I should be a contending force with CT for many years to come.
 
18THK
ID: 510431422
Thu, Nov 24, 2005, 14:50 		Crumpler has me off to a bad start to this week...I am playing from behind pretty much now.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

THK
 
19StLCards
ID: 910492514
Sat, Nov 26, 2005, 10:14 		So much for the thought that Detroit might be inspired to play well at home on Thanksgiving. By not starting the ATL D and having Dallas shut down Anderson, or rather having Dayne steal his thunder, it looks like Pete is in line for a big win this week. Unless of course one of my other guys can come up huge while his falter!
 
20THK
ID: 510431422
Sun, Nov 27, 2005, 17:46 		My team is trying its best to open the door for CT's Cards and let him win that division but for some reason he just doesn't want it. LT goes for 40 and could help me hold off CT, even when I likely take another L on the week. As long has SA doesn't go crazy in the 2nd half and Harrison doesn't have a career day then I should be alright. Hopefully my team doesn't choke up in the last week because I am sick of this faltering when I have a chance at the playoffs.

THK
 
21Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 27, 2005, 22:21 		How did StL Cards' amass all the studs?!?!
 
22Promize
ID: 141018197
Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 09:50 		People from StLouis are sneaky like that! Never trust them! lol He is the new version of you... How did you amass all the studs the first 3 years!


Welp, sure would of been nice if the Kurt Warner that has played the last few games would of shown up EARLIER this year... I might of had a few chances.. It is also nice to see that Ricky is finally putting some yards on the field... Maybe holding on to him for so long will pay off...

BUT OMG! What has happen to McGahee?!?!?! Oh yah, no damn QB in Buffalo...
 
23smallwhirled
ID: 171046162
Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 12:30 		It looks like I've moved to 10-2. That said, I think my team may be an easy out in the playoffs. Besides the core 5, my other 3 positions are very weak and unreliable. I truthfully really never expect more than maybe 10-15 point for the trio/week. This puts a lot of pressure on the TO-less core 5 of my team. The TO thing is probably costing me another 10 points per week, he was THAT good for my team when he was playing.

Seriously, I think my team potential for any given week right now is only about 75, so I don't really like my chances a whole lot. All the times I was near 100 occurred in the beginning of the season.....I think I'll be an easy out.
 
24StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 12:34 		FYI

The deadline for trades will be the day before the first game of week #13.

First game this week will be Sunday, therefore all trades must be accepted before Saturday night's update.
 
25THK
ID: 510431422
Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 14:43 		Can the Colts D hold Big Ben under 10 points tonight and clinch me the division?!?!
 
26smallwhirled
ID: 171046162
Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 15:07 		Hopefully not ;)
 
27THK
ID: 510431422
Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 16:06 		Even if Big Ben scores 10 points and I lose...I can still clinch the division with a final week WIN. I opened the door for CT but he couldn't covert! :-D

THK
 
28StLCards
ID: 910492514
Mon, Nov 28, 2005, 23:54 		A garbage TD pass to Ward in the last 2 minutes could give both the Eagles and the Seahawks a win.
 
29THK
ID: 510431422
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 01:37 		It looks like I am going to clinch! ;-)
 
30 beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 17:02 		I'm looking for some extra offensive help this week. It looks like Taylor will probably be out this week so he's available for a comparable RB or WR. I'd be willing to trade just about anyone on my bench and/or draft picks with Taylor if need be .
 
31THK
ID: 510431422
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 20:47 		I am looking for a secondary D. If anybody has an extra D they wouldn't mind pawning away for some help in another area be it some mediocre WRs or picks or whatever...

THK
 
32Action Figure
ID: 287231610
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 21:52 		I'm looking for a Q.B. and decent W.R. I wouldn't mind an additional great R.B. but I am good on kickers (have 2)

I would be willing to part with a 2nd round draft pick in 2009 and 2010. I will not rule out giving up my 1st round 2011 pick along with a player to be named later.
 
33Action Figure
ID: 287231610
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 21:55 		I'll tell you what, throw in a stud T.E. and I'll go ahead and give up my 2015 1st and 2nd round picks.
 
34THK
ID: 510431422
Tue, Nov 29, 2005, 22:51 		HAHA!
 
35Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 01, 2005, 21:17 		Been out all week. Found several adjustments. I made several upset picks in Pick'ems that didn't work out too well for me. So many possibilities in pick'ems and the playoffs that I can't even go through them all. The AFC is pretty simple. But the NFC is crazy. Perhaps I'll go through them all tomorrow. Congrats to StL Cards for his continued dominence. He added to several of his entries in our record book this week and even made a new entry.

Re:22 Promize, I drafted mine! ;)
 
36TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Dec 01, 2005, 21:51 		When are final pick-ups allowed for the season?
 
37Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 03:07 		Pick 'ems... I noticed a few teams missed a week of pick 'ems and then never bothered picking again. Maybe this was a conscious decision, or maybe it was an accident (they simply forgot, etc.) and they understandably just dropped out afterwards... 'cus if you miss a week, that's pretty much it.

I was thinking for next year maybe we could allow each manager to drop their lowest weekly score of the season. That way if you miss pick 'ems once, you aren't necessarily eliminated (just drop the 0). Of course, it would mean the standings page on the site wouldn't reflect the true score, though personally that wouldn't bug me much. It's not a big deal, just a thought trying to keep the game fun for all without being overly cumbersome.
 
38StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 10:10 		From the rules:

Note that all players used in the playoffs must be on your team for the last game of the regular season. Therefore there are no acquisitions once the deadline before the first game starts for the last week of our regular season. i.e. No add/drops during the playoffs. Waivers/Add/Drops will be turned off at the freeze of Week 13.

This is the last week of the regular season, therefore, the last opportunity to add/drop a player for this year will be 12:55pm ET, on Sunday, Dec. 4th, since the first game starts at 1pm ET on that same day.
 
39beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 10:19 		I like the idea Doug. I missed a week and didn't bother making any picks after that week. Of course, I was pretty well out of it before I missed a week.
 
40TB
ID: 1286814
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 10:41 		Thanks Cards, that was how I read it as well, but wanted to make sure.

I was looking at the pick-ems standings last night and knew I missed one week (KC and Miami game bumped up) but was shocked to see I missed three weeks. I thought I set my picks for every other week. I will have to double check after I click save every week.
 
41deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 11:25 		I too missed the Miami/KC early game in pick'ems and therefore that week and never bothered to pick games after that. I'd be in favor of a "dropped" week in the game next year. It might make calculating the standings interesting for a while though. lol
 
42smallwhirled
ID: 441138210
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 11:40 		Same thing here, missed a week, and then quit picking, funny how we all think alike.
 
43Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 16:00 		If you want to drop a week or change pick'ems in anyway, I'm down for that as well. Also, we only go through 13 weeks, but if you want since everyone plays the first week of the various playoffs in week 14 we could include that in the future as well. Think about it and we can make those changes before next year starts.

Ok, Playoff scenarios...

AFC
Ref's Colts 9-3 have clinched Eastern Div. and at least the #2 seed. Can win the #1 seed with a Chiefs loss with tiebreak and tiebreak over Raiders with a win from them.
SW's Chiefs 10-2 and Doug's Raiders 9-3 have both clinched playoff spots. Chiefs clinch #1 seed with a win. Raiders can only get the #1 seed with a Chiefs loss and Colts loss or outpoint the Colts via tiebreak.
bmd's Texans 7-5 and Coyotes' Broncos 6-6 have their destiny's in their own hands as they play each other this week. With Coyotes' up in the tiebreak, it's simple. Winner goes to the playoffs.

NFC
StL's 49ers 10-2 have clinched the #1 seed. With his tiebreak, he will clinch best regular season record with a victory over Twarpy's Giants.
THK's Vikings 8-4 have virtually clinched the NFC North with his huge advantage in tiebreak over Twarpy's Giants and snagged the #2 seed in the NFC.
bj21's Rams 8-4 takes on the mighty but inconsistent ct's Cardinals 6-6. A win for bj21 gurantees him the #3 seed. A loss might even knock him out of the playoffs in the wild NFC. Even with all of his points, I'm not sure CT can get in even with a win at 7-6, but he would probably own all tiebreaks. So if he wins and the 4th team is 7-6, he might sneak in.
Twarpy's Giants, Pete's Cowboys, AF's Falcons and Toral's Saints are all 7-5. Twarpy would have to upset StL's Cards to have any chance at all with his low tiebrak number. AF plays CCR's Bears, Pete plays Promize's Seahawks and Toral plays thk's Vikings. All need a win and some help (tiebreak or another loss) to get in. Toral is well behind in points so needs to score a ton and hope that the others lose or score over 50 points less than him...a possibility, however bleak it may look. If they all lose (none play each other) and CT wins, it appears that he would in fact sneak in with a win. A more likely scenario is more than one will win and it will come down to the tiebreak. If more than two win, it's possible that bj21 could be on the outside looking in with a loss this week.
 
44rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 16:13 		Do I have a shot?
 
45Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Dec 02, 2005, 17:13 		Yes you do, rfs. I'm sorry I left you out.

rfs' Steelers and PD's Browns 2-10 have clinched lottery picks. ;)
 
46THK
ID: 34112112
Sun, Dec 04, 2005, 18:36 		Ironically, I no longer want the tiebreaker to be H2H. If I do indeed lose this week and Twarpy wins then our records will be the same; however, I have him easily in points which is our tie breaker in place now.

For future referece, I actually would like H2H to be the tiebreaker and then points. Something to talk about?
 
47Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 04, 2005, 23:43 		We talked about that, but decided against it. Reason being is that doesn't adequately judge who is the best team on the year for one (esp. with bye weeks) and two, we all don't play the same teams with the two interconference games. A win is a win in H2H, but if all things being equal as far as record, I like it how it is.

Ironically, it appears that I'm going to get the top seed in the East and could easily finish in 8th place.
 
48Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 04, 2005, 23:51 		I'm looking at some of the scores and CT might actually make the playoffs. Funny thing is, if he makes it, that means the team he would have to beat this week would also have to make the playoffs as well. As of now all the 7-5 teams are behind. Lots of upsets this week. Of course, last week was the pick'ems week where I picked all of those!!! Game of the week where winner goes to the playoffs is coming down to tomorrow night's game between Hasselbeck and his WR, Engram with Coyotes vs. bmd.
 
49Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 00:50 		Sweet! After losing some tough ones, I finally pull one out thanks to a negative Eagles "effort."
 
50rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 08:54 		I suppose whoever takes my team next year will appeciate adding Reggie Bush. I think I set a record for lowest total points your 1 year.
 
51Promize
ID: 141018197
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 09:48 		Sooo, did I win the pickem's? :) Boy, I was nervous as I looked at the scores last night and was seeing I would only have like 7 picks correct!

Seems I pulled it out by just 1! Baring any scoring changes today.
 
52GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 10:01 		Looks like it.
Only the second time all year I have picked against myself and I win.
That would have made it a tie.
Oh well, nice picks Promize.

Cliff
 
53Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 11:18 		Lots of things to do. Found a few adjustments and as always, none of those changed a victory. It appears that StL has already made the matchups for next week.

Grats to Promize for winning Pick'ems!

I feel bad for CT's Cardinals for having the worst luck ever. He scores the 2nd most points in the league, only scoring below 73 one time and yet because of his matchups, held out of the playoffs! I can only imagine what he or others could have done in the AFC this year. I even looked at moving teams around in divisions based on team location but quickly nixed that idea. Every year things change so much that it's best they are left alone.

RFS went from Super Bowl winner to finish last in the league. SW went from last in the league to best in his division and one game shy of best record in the league. Other teams have come way up or fell hard this year for one reason or another. Hopefully we can build some rivalries up. I'd like to go in and run all-time records, etc.

I'll go back and double check StL's work but here's how the matchups should read:

1 vs. 4 and 2 vs. 3 in each Conference

Then despite conference 9 vs. 16, 10 vs. 15, etc. for the Wanna Be Bowl and 17 vs. 24 and 18 vs. 23 etc for the Toilet Bowl. The league elected to continue these "Bowls" as we always have so when you lose you are out. Everyone will play this week and it will have no bearing on your lottery position. Lottery goes top 4 in our league and the rest will fall in line in reverse order. RFS can pick no worse than 5th but has the best chance to pick 1st. As for the Super Bowl, each week will matter as order of finish does count in how you will pick next year. Winner will pick last, Runner-up will pick next to last and so on.
 
54Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 11:39 		StL's matchups appear right as usual.

Week 14: 12/6/05 - 12/12/05 (Playoffs)
Houston Texans at Indianapolis Colts
Oakland Raiders at Kansas City Chiefs
St Louis Rams at San Francisco 49ers
Dallas Cowboys at Minnesota Vikings
Cincinnati Bengals at Arizona Cardinals
San Diego Chargers at Atlanta Falcons
Denver Broncos at New Orleans Saints
Chicago Bears at NY Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers at Philadelphia Eagles
Cleveland Browns at Jacksonville Jaguars
Seattle Seahawks at Green Bay Packers
Buffalo Bills at Baltimore Ravens

RFS, you may not finish with the least points scored depending on what happens. I think you only need like 30 points or so to avoid that distinction. StL continues to climb the record book winning his 8th straight and knocking three 7 game winning streaks out of the record book. Skinneej, hit the record book yet again with his 8th straight loss leaving him only two behind his own record of 10. Good thing is that no matter what he can't equal that record this year.

The only other current streaks that could continue on through the playoffs and/or next year are my Colts with 6 straight wins and TB's Ravens with 6 consecutive losses. Many other records could go down in the comings weeks as again all playoff activity does count in the in the record books.
 
55Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 11:46 		StL just sent me the breakdown of the playoffs. Note this was before adjustments so a half dozen could be off a few tenths but have no bearing on anything as they were done early this morning:

Final Regular Season Standings

1. 49ers, 11-2, 1241.4, nfc south winner, nfc #1 seed
2. Colts, 10-3, 1004, afc east winner, afc #1 seed
3. Chiefs, 10-3, 951.2, afc west winner, afc #2 seed
4. Vikings, 9-4, 1001.4, nfc north winner, nfc #2 seed
5. Raiders, 9-4, 964.7, afc first wildcard team, afc #3 seed
6. Cowboys, 8-5, 996.1, nfc first wildcard team, nfc #3 seed
7. Rams, 8-5, 988.8, nfc second wildcard team, nfc #4 seed
8. Texans, 8-5, 787.4, afc second wildcard team, afc #4 seed

9. Cardinals, 7-6, 1142.4
10. Falcons, 7-6, 929.5
11. Saints, 7-6, 901.0
12. Giants, 7-6, 805.3
13. Bears, 6-7, 918.1
14. Broncos, 6-7, 820.8
15. Chargers, 6-7, 787.3
16. Bengals, 6-7, 782.3
17. Eagles, 5-8, 787.8
18. Jaguars, 5-8, 766.6
19. Packers, 4-9, 808.0
20. Ravens, 4-9, 747.4
21. Bills, 4-9, 710.8
22. Seahawks, 3-10, 804.9
23. Browns, 3-10, 714.1
24. Steelers, 3-10, 648.2

Playoffs:
Colts vs Texans
Chiefs vs Raiders
49ers vs Rams
Vikings vs Cowboys

Wannabe Bowl
Cardinals vs Bengals
Falcons vs Chargers
Saints vs Broncos
Giants vs Bears

Toilet Bowl
Eagles vs Steelers
Jaguars vs Browns
Packers vs Seahawks
Ravens vs Bills

Grats to StL Cards as the Regular Season Champ!
 
56THK
ID: 34112112
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 12:12 		Ahhhh...Playing the Cowboys huh? Hear that Pete?!?!

Things I like about the matchup:
Palmer and CJ vs Cleveland

Things I don't:
Portis vs Zona
Seattle D vs SF
Dallas D vs KC

Either way. Congrats to all for making the playoffs. This is a huge step for my team as I have been rebuilding ever since the 21st overall pick and that scrub A-train. Good luck..
.
THK
 
57Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 12:19 		Good point thk. Even though StL has to be considered a heavy favorite, he showed last week that he was human in his total. That said, I think this is the most balanced Super Bowl playoffs ever. It could easily be bmd's team in the Final as the #4 seed and 8th best record in the playoffs. Could be facing Pete's #4 and overall 7th best record--esp. if his team continues to do what it did last week.
 
58Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 12:27 		Power Rankings
Rank Team Record Points Brkdn Power
1 San Francisco 49ers 24 24 24 72
2 Indianapolis Colts 22.5 22 20 64.5
3 Minnesota Vikings 20.5 21 22 63.5
4 Arizona Cardinals 14.5 23 23 60.5
5 St Louis Rams 18 19 21 58
6 Dallas Cowboys 18 20 19 57
7 Kansas City Chiefs 22.5 17 17 56.5
8 Oakland Raiders 20.5 18 16 54.5
9 Atlanta Falcons 14.5 16 18 48.5
10 New Orleans Saints 14.5 14 15 43.5
11 Chicago Bears 10.5 15 14 39.5
12 Houston Texans 18 8 13 39
13 NY Giants 14.5 11 12 37.5
14 Denver Broncos 10.5 13 10.5 34
15 Philadelphia Eagles 7.5 9 10.5 27
16 Green Bay Packers 5 12 8 25
17 San Diego Chargers 10.5 7 6 23.5
17 Cincinnati Bengals 10.5 6 7 23.5
19 Seattle Seahawks 2 10 9 21
20 Jacksonville Jaguars 7.5 5 5 17.5
21 Baltimore Ravens 5 4 4 13
22 Buffalo Bills 5 2 2 9
23 Cleveland Browns 2 3 3 8
24 Pittsburgh Steelers 2 1 1 4
 
59blackjackis21
ID: 5810173012
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 13:55 		What an ugly way to back into the playoffs - my QB on Mon. night with 60 yds and 2 picks (and an incredibly lopsided loss for the week).

Now I gotta hope that C. Frye gets named the starter this week.

That said, I look forward to the rematch StL!
 
60Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 15:10 		Off the top of my head, I believe it's the first playoff trip for the Texans, Chiefs and Vikings franchises. All three teams have made some big moves to get there. I've been in all four now. Pete may have been as well. Doug have you been in three? I'll look at it more closely later.

Pete's high points for the week upped him in the standings for that record.
 
61beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 15:47 		Anyone else notice that with 57.5 points the Seattle D outscored 10 teams? The scary part is Pete still got the top score even with them on his bench.
 
62Promize
ID: 141018197
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 18:19 		I am 1 QB and 1 Def away from being back on top I feel. My team actually approved pretty well at the end. Looks like holding onto Ricky is gonna pay off.
 
63Peter N.
ID: 431054174
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 18:57 		bmd - yea, I cant believe Seattle's effort last night. Would be really nice if they could repeat it against the 49ers. ;-)

This is my 4th trip to the playoffs, but my first where I will not be relying more on my WRs over my RBs. After getting bounced in the first round the first two years and then losing in the Superbowl last year, I figured out that I was too dependent on WRs. Haha yes it took me awhile, but I finally realized that even the best WRs seem to be too inconsistent. I'm anxious to see how my tandem of Portis and DD does. I really like both of their matchups this week(Portis against 'zona and DD against the Titans) I have a tough matchup this week against the Vikes who put a pretty good ass whooping on me a couple of weeks ago. That combo of Palmer and CJ is SICK.
 
64StLCards
ID: 910492514
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 00:22 		One thing I have learned is don't always assume that the 'easy' teams will result in fantasy points for your players. Often it is the 'tough' games where the players do the best.
 
65StLCards
ID: 910492514
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 00:38 		At least my luck held through the regular season. Just read that Westbrook is out for the year. Ugh!
 
66Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 02:00 		Re: 60... I think I was in the playoffs our first year and last year... I only missed out year #2, which was fine as it landed me Steven Jackson via trade. This year I finally shook off the yolk of my unsatisfactory first round pick (Jeff Garcia) from the inaugural draft.

Re: 65... well, I was concerned about my #4 flex after Mewelde Moore got hurt in week 13, but it looks like Moats just got a big boost to fill that slot for me. One man's misfortune...
 
67Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 16:21 		Playoff History (Final Game Listed for Pevious years)

2005
Houston Texans at Indianapolis Colts
Oakland Raiders at Kansas City Chiefs
St Louis Rams at San Francisco 49ers
Dallas Cowboys at Minnesota Vikings
2004
1st: Dallas Cowboys 73 at Pittsburgh Steelers 92.5800
3rd: Denver Broncos 79.5000 at Chicago Bears 77.8200
5th: Oakland Raiders 70 at NY Giants 92.4000
7th: St Louis Rams 35.3400 at Indianapolis Colts 100.2400
2003
1st: St Louis Rams 85.3950 at Indianapolis Colts 99.3800
3rd: Kansas City Chiefs 43.3200 at NY Giants 91.3250
5th: Cincinnati Bengals 88.4200 at Dallas Cowboys 71.8400
7th: Pittsburgh Steelers 95.6600 at Atlanta Falcons 55.7600
2002
1st: Indianapolis Colts (110.83) at Seattle Seahawks (64.24)
3rd: Oakland Raiders (103.64) at St Louis Rams (51.02)
5th: Pittsburgh Steelers (90.30) at Dallas Cowboys (58.88)
7th: San Francisco 49ers (60.26) at Baltimore Ravens (81.20)
 
68smallwhirled
ID: 111129214
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 21:44 		Well, there does my god damn season!

Collins info comes out today, he is on the bench. I can't get anyone, and now I'm going to lose. Enjoy the bye Doug, kind of ironic since I'm the one who traded you Delhomme.
 
69Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 22:31 		Doh! Sorry dude. Bummer that pickups aren't allowed in postseason! I would prefer a fair fight, but hey, even a man short you could still manage a win... sure, it's not as likely, but certainly not impossible either.
 
70smallwhirled
ID: 111129214
Wed, Dec 07, 2005, 23:00 		I mean I guess there is always a chance, but I am essentially 2 men down with Collins and TO.
 
71Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 08, 2005, 13:33 		Yeah, sw, I thought of you when I saw that. Also remembered our discussions about Collins preseason when you were considering trading him or Delhomme to me. Well not sure Simms is going to score much more than Collins, but at least he should get something. Garcia is starting too I just saw, but I'll likely leave him on the bench where he belongs. Volek won't play at all barring a McNair injury. He'd better play next year and I hope Suggs gets moved to someone who will actually use him. That guy has tremendous talent but injuries have prevented him from being dominating every year it seems. He did well when he actually played at least--though not at all this year. Here's hoping that all of Eli's passes go to Tiki, Plax and Toomer and Tiki gets all the goal line carries! Well perhaps Tiki should run them in from the 10 as Edwards has gotten the goal line carries this year. That has really hurt.

Wonder if Marcus will pass to Porter more than Collins did?!?! My guess is that he will want to pass to Moss even more, but with Moss being doubled, who knows?!?!
 
72Action Figure
ID: 287231610
Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 19:55 		I forget why the rule no pickups during the league playoffs was made. Can you please refresh me? Also should we have a league vote about this rule? I don't see any harm making the deadline the last week of the regular NFL season but I could be wrong.

 
73THK
ID: 34112112
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 14:29 		So much for me thinking I could make a run at Dallas again! :-(
 
74deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 017103420
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 16:15 		Kris Brown's going to find himself a coal in his stocking from me this Christmas after that last kick. .......
 
75Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 17:18 		By tiki being a centimeter out of the end zone and eli getting the td that's a 12.2 point swing and could easily cost me the season on that one play. OUCH!
 
76Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 18:14 		After being behind all day I've tied Brad at 74.8... I have the advantage of more active players remaining, although my defense could still see it's score drop. Actually, while I'm typing this post I just saw it update in the other window... sure enough, I'm now behind again by 0.5! =-)
 
77blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 20:45 		Yikes - what a pathetic showing in the playoffs. Not that I deserved to knock off the #1 seed StL. 49ers, but looks like it might have been possible this week.

Guess the 3-headed monster of McNabb, J. Lewis and R. Moss didn't do much for me the past few weeks (or pretty much the entire season for the latter two)!

Hopefully I have some decisions to make keepers-wise next year with the likes of Chester Taylor, Matt Jones, S. Gado and C. Frye.
 
78THK
ID: 34112112
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 20:48 		I love it...my lowest score of the year and a flat out putrid preformance in my first appearance in the playoffs.... :-(

THK
 
79StLCards
ID: 910492514
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 22:49 		Looks like you spoke too soon BJ21. You want to see a real pathetic showing look at my team. Johnson should have had a couple of TD passes but the receivers dropped them all. I also knew I should have started the ATL D, but the real question is what the heck happened to Anderson?

Nice game by Gado.
 
80Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 11, 2005, 23:15 		Another TD by Gado or even like 60+ yds and bj will win.

Grats to bmd, who definitely had the better team. My team is just average, but normally consistent like this week. I can normally expect 75-85 points and that's just what I got this week, so anyone that does what they should do in the playoffs will knock me off. Pete's team is coming up at just the right time as is Doug's.
 
81blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 00:15 		Yeah - Wasn't expecting that much from Gado. Just a bit short - wish I'd known that J. Lewis wasn't going to play. I think C. Taylor might have just squeaked me by. Oh well, good luck the rest of the way StL.
 
82beastiemiked
ID: 481116721
Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 00:29 		Thanks Ref. 75-85 points a week would've beat my team most weeks. My team just happened to put up their best score of the season this week. Making the playoffs 4 years in a row is a great accomplishment and I'm sure you'll be back next year.

I'm pretty scared of the Raiders. Moats looks like a stud and he'll be facing one of the worst defenses in the league. Pretty sure Fragile Fred will be on my bench next week. I'm just glad starting him over Clayton didn't cost me the game.
 
83Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 12, 2005, 11:02 		Yeah, it's time for my team to rebuild. I've had horrible drafts as I've had to draft at the end and no one has been around. Giving away Priest for virtually nothing was my last ditch effort to try and win this year. Unfortunately, the only player I could use was Porter and he only had one good week. Priest may continue to be a stud--but obviously not this year. I'll again be picking in the bottom 1/3 of the draft again, so it may take a bad year and a trade to start to right my ship.

What was interesting is that all 4 AFC teams beat all the NFC teams except Pete.
 
84Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 11:04 		Couldn't find but one adjustment. I've got the matchups. Someone please double check them but pretty sure they are accurate.

For the Wanna Be and Toilet Bowls, if you picture an 8 seed bracket then it's 1-8 and 4-5 in the top part and 2-7 and 3-6 at the bottom. So that's how I have them matched up.

Except for our Super Bowl Playoffs, if you lost, your season is over. We do not allow your players to score if you're not playing. I wanted us to change it so everyone played every week regardless, but it was soundly defeated--same thing for points accrual. So we are doing it as we always have.

Week 15: 12/13/05 - 12/19/05 (Playoffs)
Houston Texans at Oakland Raiders
Dallas Cowboys at San Francisco 49ers
Kansas City Chiefs at Indianapolis Colts
St Louis Rams at Minnesota Vikings
Chicago Bears at Arizona Cardinals
San Diego Chargers at Denver Broncos
Baltimore Ravens at Philadelphia Eagles
Cleveland Browns at Seattle Seahawks
 
85StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 13, 2005, 11:21 		Looks OK to me Ref.
 
86Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 15, 2005, 11:03 		Added new poll.

Updated the record book, including, Moving StL, and skinnej up on the respective winning/losing streaks. Moved Pete up on the High Points for the Week List. He's still only had 5 ever 100 point weeks though so he will likely crack that list if he can do it again this year.

Looks like sw will get his QB back just in time to play me. Great! Told you I'd be lucky not to be playing for 7th place.

While the matchup of the week is StL vs. Pete, Don't forget about Doug and bmd as the winner there could surprise in our final week! Both of them are playing really well right now. The AFC has won all of our championships, so maybe it's fate?!?!?!?!
 
87StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Thu, Dec 15, 2005, 11:28 		My team is sinking fast while Pete's has been on the rise lately. Westbrook is out for the year, Moss has a hamstring injury, and now Barlow was just downgraded to doubtful. Even though Barlow hasn't scored much he still had potential. Actually he was cheated the last two weeks as a 75yd screen pass was negated 2 weeks ago by penalty, and last week a 55yd run was negated.

So now I get to start Lloyd in the playoffs and if Moss can't go I'll be using my backup TE at WR. Oh well, anything can happen!
 
88Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 12:20 		Thanks Promize for the email about the games going on today. I can't decide whether or not to start Wells in place of a player that is going today so the games today could throw a wrench into some of your plans. Please review your lineups!
 
89Peter N.
ID: 311291620
Sat, Dec 17, 2005, 13:18 		Great, Domanick Davis is a gametime decision. Grrrr
 
90Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 18, 2005, 12:16 		Pete, davis is inactive so we won't be putting him your lineup per your instructions. I'll likely now start Wells on my team.
 
91Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Sun, Dec 18, 2005, 21:34 		After a year of futility, the record is finally mine! By almost 50%!

Thank you Bledsoe! Thank you TB D! Thank you Curtis Martin's knee! Couldn't have done it without you three.
 
92Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 18, 2005, 21:53 		Wow PD! There are several interesting scores this week. Same as last year though I lose the first week then end up having a big game later on in the playoffs. Coyotes went nuts again. But really all that matters is that StL will enter his first Super Bowl and bmd,s Texans, you remember the team, the one that was our "fat kid" and the last one picked. The one viewed as the worst of the three...yeah well he showed you by taking his team to the final game. Nothing is official yet but let's just say he'd have to have negative points from his two guys left to lose! What a great season we've had.
 
93Promize
      ID: 141018197
      Mon, Dec 19, 2005, 12:00 		So have I won the Toilet Bowl? Or do I get to keep playing next week? What I win? A plunger? heh
 
94beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Mon, Dec 19, 2005, 15:23 		Hmm, Houston vs SF in the super bowl . Kinda weird that the NFL's two worst teams are squaring off in our Super Bowl. By my team sneaking into the championship it proves my theory that fantasy football requires more luck than any other fantasy sport.
 
95Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Dec 19, 2005, 23:58 		bmd, youve made some moves with your team that has paid off. Not everything was luck, that's for sure.

Promize, if you win this week, you're currently only up by 3 with plenty of time left--but in a blowout so you're porbably safe--you will play next week for the Toilet Bowl Championship. Same goes for teh Wanna Be Bowl and the 3rd, 5th and 7th place games.
 
96Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 00:03 		guess that is ds who is up by 3 right now. Promize, you will play the winner of that game, which looks like it's gonna be ds.
 
97Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 16:03 		Well ds nad perhaps even TB went to bed thinking that ds had won the week, but wait, there was a blocked Kick giving TB another 3 points and winning the chance to play for the Toilet Bowl by less than a half point. Adjustments are complete.

Week 16: 12/20/05 - 12/26/05 (Playoffs)
Super Bowl Houston Texans at San Francisco 49ers
3rd Dallas Cowboys at Oakland Raiders
5th Minnesota Vikings at Indianapolis Colts
7th St Louis Rams at Kansas City Chiefs
Wanna Be(9th) Denver Broncos at Chicago Bears
Toilet(17th) Seattle Seahawks at Baltimore Ravens
 
98Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 20, 2005, 16:15 		Added a ton of records in our record book, including 3 of the top 5 in Least Points Against for the season. There will be several more added after next week's games it appears.
 
99StLCards
      ID: 811481817
      Mon, Dec 26, 2005, 16:52 		Santana Rocks!
 
100Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 27, 2005, 08:54 		I'm not sure why there was literally no talk about this season's biggest game, but grats to StL Cards who was consistent all year long then laid an egg--only to be rescued by Santana Moss. Also all the placing teams scored a little less as it went down a step--just like it should be. With the two adjustments, these are our finals:

1st Houston Texans 83.6600 at San Francisco 49ers 88.0700
3rd Dallas Cowboys 82.3600 at Oakland Raiders 72.3000
5th Minnesota Vikings 57.6400 at Indianapolis Colts 73.2000
7th St Louis Rams 58.6200 at Kansas City Chiefs 69.6200
Wanna Be (9th)Denver Broncos 69.3200 at Chicago Bears 97.4800
Toilet (18th) Seattle Seahawks 80.9900 at Baltimore Ravens 47.3400
 
101Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 27, 2005, 09:11 		XIII League Records

Previous Winners
2005 San Francisco "StL Cards"
2004 Pittsburgh "rfs"
2003 Indianapolis "Ref"
2002 Indianapolis "Ref"

Best Record Year
1. 14-2 Stl Cards' 49ers (05)
1. 14-2 Ref's Colts (03)
3. 13-3 rfs' Steelers (04)
4. 12-4 Ref's Colts (05)
4. 12-4 Ref's Colts (02)
4. 12-4 Promize's Seahawks (02)

Most points Scored Week:
1. 149.80 Ref's Colts (04 Wk 8)
2. 140.77 Baldwin's Rams (03 Wk 14)
3. 140.31 Coyotes' Broncos (04 Wk 13)
4. 137.52 Ref's Colts (04 Wk 7)
5. 137.41 Peter N's Cowboys (04 Wk 3)

Most Points Scored Season:
1. 1539.0 Ref's Colts (02)
2. 1481.1 StL Cards' 49ers (05)
3. 1421.2 CCR's Bears (04)
4. 1398.2 Ref's Colts (03)
5. 1369.2 Ref's Colts (04)

Least Points Scored Week:
1. 9.82 PD's Browns (05 Wk 15)
2. 17.98 Dan's Bills (03 Wk 6)
3. 19.86 bmd's Texans (05 Wk 8)
4. 21.04 MBJ's Bengals (03 Wk 5)
5. 21.40 PD's Browns (04 Wk 14)

Least Points Scored Season:
1. 678.8 Taxman's Chiefs (02)
2. 698.7 PD's Browns (04)
3. 703.7 RFS' Steelers (05)
3. 714.1 ET's Texans (03)
4. 718.7 CP's Jaguars (04)

Least Points Scored Week and still Win:
1. 38.74 Skinneej's Packers (04 Wk 4)
2. 41.38 Dan's Bills (02 Wk 9)
3. 42.12 ET's Texans (04 Wk 10)
4. 43.68 thk's Vikings (03 Wk 12)
5. 43.96 Toral's Saints (05 Wk 4)

Most Points Scored Week and still Lose:
1. 109.48 Twarpy's Giants (02 Wk 11)
2. 104.56 GL's Chargers (04 Wk 10)
3. 97.90 Twarpy's Giants (02 Wk 1)
4. 97.68 CCR's Bears (04 Wk 5)
5. 96.23 CT's Cardinals (03 Wk 9)

Most times Highest Points For the Week -- Season:
1. 6 StL Cards' 49ers (05)
2. 4 Ref's Colts (02)
3. 3 Ref's Colts (04)
3. 3 Peter N's Cowboys (04)
3. 3 Ref's Colts (03)
3. 3 AF's Falcons (03)
3. 3 mbj's Bengals (02)

Most times Highest Points For the Week -- Overall:
1. 11 Ref's Colts
2. 9 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 6 Peter N's Cowboys
4. 5 Twarpy's Giants
5. 4 CCR's Bears
5. 4 AP10's Ravens

Smallest Margin of Victory:
1. .02 PG's Chiefs over Coyotes' Broncos (03 Wk 8)
2 . 06 thk's Vikings over Promize's Seahawks (05 Wk 3)
2. .06 Promize's Seahawks over StL Cards' 49ers (04 Wk 1)
4. .08 AP10's Ravens over Ref's Colts (02 Wk 7)
5. .12 PD's Browns over Coyotes' Broncos (04 Wk 6)

Largest Margin of Victory:
1. 100.385 CCR's Bears (04 Wk 10)
2. 94.97 GL's Chargers (04 Wk 15)
3. 89.115 Coyotes' Broncos (04 Wk 13)
4. 86.18 CCR's Bears (03 Wk 14)
5. 85.76 AF's Falcons (03 Wk 3)

Most times to score 100 points/Season:
1. 7 Ref's Colts (02)
2. 6 StL Cards' 49ers (05)
3. 3 Tied by many teams

Most times to score 100 points/Overall:
1. 16 Ref's Colts
2. 9 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 7 Baldwin/BJ21's Rams
3. 7 Twarpy's Giants
5. 6 mbj's Bengals
5. 6 AP10/TB's Ravens

Consecutive Weeks w/Win:
1. 13 Ref's Colts (02 Wk 10 - 03 Wk 6)
2. 11 StL Cards' 49ers (05 wk 6-16 current)
3. 9 AF's Falcons (03 wk 2-10)
4. 8 CCR's Bears (04 wk 7-14)
4. 8 Twarpy's Giants (04 wk 5-12)

Consecutive Weeks w/Loss:
1. 10 Skinneej's Packers (03 wk 6 - 04 wk 1)
2. 9 Skinneej's Packers (05 wk 6-14 current)
2. 9 THK's Vikings (04 wk 3-12)
2. 9 AF's Falcons (02 wk 4-12)
5. 8 ds' Eagles (04 wk 5-12)
5. 8 ET's Texans (03 wk 10 - 04 wk 3)

Most Points Scored Against Season:
1. 1276.1 Twarpy's Giants (02)
2. 1275.6 Baldwin's Rams (04)
3. 1268.7 Ref's Colts (02)
4. 1243.0 Peter N's Cowboys (05)
5. 1229.6 THK's Vikings (05)

Least Points Scored Against Season:
1. 825.3 Twarpy's Giants (05)
2. 844.8 Dan's Bills (05)
3. 847.8 ET's Texans (04)
4. 857.0 Yokel's Jaguars (05)
5. 880.0 SJ's Packers (02)

Pick'em Most Correct Week:
1. 12 Skinneej's Packers (04 Wk 9)
1. 12 Ref's Colts (04 Wk 9)
3. 11 (Shared by many)

Pick'em Champion:
05 Promize
04 StL Cards and Skinneej (tie)

 
102beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Tue, Dec 27, 2005, 17:45 		STL, congrats! Your team dominated this year.

After seeing Moss's game I didn't think I stood a chance but if Engram would've put a reliable game together we could've pulled it out. It sucks knowing that Clayton was probably the better option last week yet for some reason I left Engram in my lineup. It's almost better to get blown out than to leave the victory on my bench. In any case I had a blast my first year and look forward to next year.
 
103Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 27, 2005, 22:32 		We have 23 of 24 paid for a total of $345:
1st: StL $125
2nd: bmd $65
3rd: Pete $40
4th: Doug $30
5th: Ref $22.50
6th: thk $20
7th: SW $17.50
8th: bj21 $15
Best Regular Season Record: StL $10
Pick'ems: Promize $23

Promize did better than all but 4 people just by going with Pick'ems. StL and I talked shortly after announcing payouts and we agreed that we should probably alter the payout structure a smidge. Probably so it steps by at least $5 now that so many are in it. But once it was announced, we didn't want to change it for this current year. That ended up helping StL as we were going to take that out of the winner's share!!! Only the top 4 teams made any money (counting site fee and pick'ems). My goal is to break even and that's about what I did. Anything extra is icing.
 
104StLCards
      ID: 811481817
      Tue, Dec 27, 2005, 22:34 		I was definitely sweating it out! In order to win you need an element of luck to go along with a decent team and I managed to have just enough of both this year. I easily could have lost this week as well as getting lucky to face BJ21's team on a week they did even worse than mine.

Hard to believe the team that nobody wanted to take over almost won the championship this year. Great job bmd!

I'm just glad the South finally brought down the East to set things right ;-)
 
105GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 08:51 		Just got home from Christmas Camping.
Congrats to StLCards.

Great season all.

Cliff
 
106blackjackis21
      ID: 5810173012
      Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 14:48 		Congrats on a great season StL and same to BMD. I just couldn't get things going this year - I hope I have some issues sort themselves out in the off-season, or next year might not be looking too pretty.

At any rate - hope everybody has a Happy New Year!
 
107TB
      ID: 181162415
      Wed, Dec 28, 2005, 17:57 		Congrats StL.
 
108 rockafellerskank
      ID: 180352016
      Fri, Dec 30, 2005, 10:32 		G24 winners:

Please contact me here or via e-mail as to how you want your prize payout. Your options:

1) Pay Pal (need your e-mail addy please)
2) Check (send me your USPS addy please)
3) donate to Guru in your name
4) Carry over winnings to another season IE G20 baseball or G24 football next year. If you choose this option, I will be sending your money to StLCards for safe keeping as this is my last duty as treasurer.

I will be leaving for vacation today, but I'll try my best to get your e-mail and check here to get your payouts to you ASAP.

It was fun playing with you all for these 4 years. Wow, 4 years went by fast! Sorry my team stunk this year, but hopefully, I left next year's owner a chance for a good draft pick and Priestly recovery.

Sincerley,

rfs, 2004 G24 Football Champ!




 
109beastiemiked
      Sustainer
      ID: 03531815
      Fri, Dec 30, 2005, 10:53 		Break my $65 down like this:
3. $40 to Guru
4. $25 carry over
 
110THK on vaca
      ID: 2510332316
      Sat, Dec 31, 2005, 00:50 		4) Carry over my $20 to G20 or next year in G24.

Thanks,
THK
 
111Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Dec 31, 2005, 10:36 		Carry over to baseball.
 
112smallwhirled
      ID: 3211112519
      Sat, Dec 31, 2005, 10:54 		Carry it over to football next year.
 
113Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Sat, Dec 31, 2005, 19:49 		Carry over to next year G24 please. Thanks for handling the responsibility of this rfs, and thanks to StlCards for taking it on from here.
 
114Peter N.
      ID: 311291620
      Wed, Jan 04, 2006, 18:35 		Carry over to baseball and football next year.
 
115blackjackis21
      ID: 5810173012
      Thu, Jan 05, 2006, 09:52 		Oops - didn't realize I was owed anything after such a stellar playoff run.

Carry over to baseball please.

Thanks.

 
116Promize
      ID: 141018197
      Thu, Jan 05, 2006, 17:08 		Sorry RFS, in the middle of a move to new job.

Carry my winnings over to G24 (baseball) please
 
117rockafellerskank
      ID: 180352016
      Mon, Jan 09, 2006, 15:33 		I just got back into town after vacation. I've heard from everyone, so I'll begin to make the payouts per your instructions ASAP.

Please note that all "carry-over" request will be sent to StL Cards and he will be responsible from this point forward.

PS - StL, it will take 2-3 days to get the placque finished.

 
118davepyro
      ID: 17412622
      Mon, Jan 09, 2006, 20:48 		I am rewriting my league defensive scoring by-laws, and I have a football statistics question:
Where can I find the total number of NFL defensive scores such as safeties, interceptions, and kick returns?
I have already looked at NFL.com/statistics. They only give returns for top 30 players.
 
119Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jan 11, 2006, 10:45 		rfs: please email the pic of plaque to me.

dave: not sure
 
120rockafellerskank
      ID: 180352016
      Sat, Jan 14, 2006, 10:50 		All monies have been sent to StL per the instructions above.

Guru donantions will take place as soon as transfer into my Pay Pal is complete (few days).

I haven't taken the placque in yet. I'll try to do that on Monday which means it will be at least 1 week before completed.

Ref-- I don't have a digital camera, but I'll try using my camera phone.

 
121StLCards
      ID: 470101723
      Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 23:24 		RFS - got your check today for the G24 monies. Sorry you won't be with us in baseball this year, and just wanted to extend my appreciation for everything you have done for these leagues. Thanks :)
 
122GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Fri, Jan 20, 2006, 09:08 		I'd like to ditto what STL said about RFS.
Have really enjoyed interacting with him and playing with and against him in the three leagues.

Cliff
 
123Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Jan 30, 2006, 15:16 		Without rfs' vision we wouldn't have any of our G20/24 leagues. To lose him hurts on a personal level. But he's been wanting to leave for a long time and I had kept talking him into staying. After awhile, I've understood that he really doesn't want to continue and I've had to accept that. I know others have done the same and have come to the same conclusion.

In an unprecendented move, StL and I have awarded rfs' team to him immediately. GO was the first runner up to get a franchise this year and the same for baseball. Since GO is so active and we know of no other immiment team leaving, we are giving his team to him now rather than waiting until the season begins in case he has off season moves he wants to make.
 
124Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Jan 30, 2006, 22:27 		Glad to be apart of the league and to take over for such a good player in RFS. Thanks for the consideration and invitation.

I have never used CBS before, so I am still kind of sifting through the site trying to understand everything. I do like what I have seen so far.

I am interested in trading draft picks for any players you don't plan on keeping - so please send me offers. I attached my work email here - I can be reached at this immediately during EST business hours. Merrill Lynch will gladly pay for me to negotiate football trades!

Secondly, I would also look at moving Priest if anyone is interested in him.
 
125 Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Mon, Jan 30, 2006, 22:30 		work email...
 
126StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Jan 30, 2006, 23:28 		Welcome aboard Great One! If you have any questions about the league format feel free to ask.
 
127Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 16:24 		I've also approved the changing of franchise names for GO. He's a Jets fan and ironically enough, they are one of the few teams unowned and happen to be in the same division of our league, AFC East.
 
128GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 16:34 		Hey GO,
Welcome aboard.

Hmm, maybe JBL and Jamal for Priest....

Wait dangit, I already traded you JBL.

Cliff
 
129Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 17:11 		LOL... so that means the Steelers are now available if anyone wants to jump on the bandwagon? Cool... act quick and you might win a Superbowl!!! =-p
 
130Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, Jan 31, 2006, 17:32 		I will package Rey Mysterio with Priest :)

Sure will be cool to be the Jets, hopefully both this team and the real squad can turn things around sooner than later - at age 26, I am probably way too old to actually coach on the real staff, so I guess this will have to do!
 
131rockafellerskank
      ID: 49136120
      Fri, Feb 03, 2006, 16:24 		RE: #109 $40 to Guru for bmd and $35 to Guru for StLCard was sent today.

Sorry for the delay, I made the transfer to Pay Pal, then had a senior moment and just now moved it along to Dave.

I picked up the placque today. I have acamera phone and will try to take apacture to post. What took so long... the trophy place dropped and cracked the original one (lamanent) and replaced it with a walnut one.

 
132StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Fri, Mar 03, 2006, 12:48 		I see Mike Anderson was released by the Broncos. At least I got one good year out of him :)
 
133Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Fri, Mar 03, 2006, 14:53 		LOL, well, I think it was a result of the screwed up $$$ situation in the NFL right now. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Anderson resigned and in the mix at DEN RB next year.
 
134TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Mar 03, 2006, 22:49 		Is trading allowed year round?
 
135StLCards
      ID: 10212322
      Fri, Mar 03, 2006, 23:13 		Yes, trading is year round. It just needs to be done through the boards and not through the site. So if you have a trade to make, just announce it here and have the other person confirm.
 
136StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 12:47 		Mike Anderson signed with Baltimore now. At least he won't have to compete with Bell now and still lands with a running team. Still, leaving that great Denver running team is going to hurt somewhat I would think, but at least he's not a backup.
 
137Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 15:27 		but at least he's not a backup.

Well, if he beats out Jamaal Lewis, that is. The Ravens have resigned Lewis to a 3 year deal.
 
138StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Mar 13, 2006, 15:36 		D'Oh! Just assumed he was gone. My Bad.

Also saw that Brandon Lloyd was traded to Washington so now I have two Redskin receivers since I have Moss. Not looking good so far :(
 
139TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Mon, Apr 03, 2006, 20:16 		G.O., I just saw your offer and sent a counter. You can always hit me back on email too.
 
140Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Apr 17, 2006, 09:53 		GO, I just saw that I have a trade from you as well. Not sure how long it's been there, but apparently trade notifications don't work in the offseason so we don't get an email when we get it. That is a VERY interesting proposal and it will take some time to digest it.
 
141Great One
      ID: 23355177
      Mon, Apr 17, 2006, 09:55 		I am just trying to get the discussions rolling along... There is no offseason in football!! :)
 
142 Great One
      ID: 32312209
      Thu, Apr 20, 2006, 11:12 		I am thinking I want to move some of these names I have been given for draft picks as part of my 3-year master plan.

I have guys I would say are worthy of some top picks such as Muhammed and Chambers available, among others.
 
143Great One
      ID: 523121411
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 00:18 		Are the draft picks posted somewhere? I thought I remembered somebody saying I had an extra draft pick of some sort. Curious to see what I have before I make any moves.
 
144StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 15:38 		All of the the traded draft picks are listed under the league rules near the bottom. There aren't that many so I will just post them here as well.

XIV Traded Draft Picks:

*8/10/05 Saints receives Vikings 1st round pick in the Foster/Smith/Stallworth for K.Jones deal
*8/26/05 Skineej gets TB's 2nd round pick as part of the 2005 draft pick upgrade allowing him to get O. Smith
*8/28/05 Steelers get Vikings 4th rounder in '06 (draft exchange during '05 draft)
*10/27/05 Steelers get Cowboys' 3rd round pick in the Chargers DST for Blake deal
*11/19/05 Rams get Mike McMahon and 49er's 5th round pick in 2006 and the 49er's get Stephen Alexander and the Rams 3rd pick in 2006.
*11/22/05 Toral receives thk's 2nd rounder for his 4th round pick in the Smith/Barber for McAlister/Clark deal.

Last updated 12/15/05
 
145Great One
      ID: 523121411
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 18:53 		Thanks... looks like I have two 3rds and two 4ths. I am going to look to package these with players I guess to get a couple more 1st and 2nd rounders, just need to figure out how to do all this.

And if anyone has an offer that'll help steer me in the right direction - that would be great - guess I need to go through old drafts etc. to get a grasp on value, and don't really have a handle on what everything is worth yet.
 
146FRICK
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 20:28 		If there are going to be any openings for next year I'm interested.

Sorry for the interuption.
 
147Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Apr 22, 2006, 11:33 		As of now there hasn't been anyone else that has let me know they will not continue. GO was the first alternate and took rfs' team after last season. Generally, managers don't tell us they aren't returning until we start to solicit that info before the season.

Frick, I know you were considered last season too. I can't remember who all we looked at, but I do know that if there were enough openings, you would have gotten a team, so you were given a good recomendation by all that knew you. Leave your contact info so we can contact you if a need arises.
 
148 FRICK
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Sat, Apr 22, 2006, 14:59 		Fair enough.

 
149Myboyjack
      ID: 5354818
      Tue, May 02, 2006, 21:24 		Do we have a reverse order of finish list somewhere?


I'd like to move up a bit in the 1st round. anyone interested in Patrick Ramsey or Chris Henry?
 
150Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 02, 2006, 21:48 		They are in our rules. But remember the lottery will determine the non-playoff order (we pick 4 then reverse order of finish).
 
151TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, May 02, 2006, 22:19 		SF drafting Vernon Davis (Eric Johnson), Favre announcing he is coming back (Aaron Rodgers), Schaub not getting traded, and Onterrio Smith not being reinstated has deflated the value of several guys I was trying to trade or looking at as keepers. I sure wasted this years 2nd round pick on the Smith gamble. So much talent, so little self-control.
 
152StLCards
      Leader
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, May 02, 2006, 23:25 		KC Chiefs and SF 49er's have agreed to a trade.

KC gets Brad Johnson and Santana Moss and SF 49ers gets Terell Owens.

KC to confirm
 
153smallwhirled
      ID: 3211112519
      Tue, May 02, 2006, 23:27 		Confirmed.

Thanks for nothin Kerry Collins, way to put the Cheifs in a bind. :(
 
154Myboyjack
      ID: 5354818
      Tue, May 02, 2006, 23:28 		They are in our rules. But remember the lottery will determine the non-playoff order (we pick 4 then reverse order of finish).

Ref - Waht i saw in the rules looked like last years draft order. I must have been looking at he wrong thing?
 
155Myboyjack
      ID: 5354818
      Tue, May 02, 2006, 23:30 		Ah, I see it now. i have the 9th overall pick, right?
 
156Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 00:02 		Not nec. mbj, you could have the first pick or as low as the 13th pick theoretically. Odds are that you will have somewhere around the 9th pick though after the lottery.
 
157Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 00:14 		Just saw that we have to renew the league by June 26th. Is that like way early or what? With that in mind we should look to start getting our stuff together by around the first of June or so.
 
158Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 00:35 		Also remember that there WILL be a league vote on our keeper number. Based on an informal poll on the CBS site, a majority of owners favored lowering the number of keepers. There has been proposals for 7 and for 8 in lieu of our current 9. We can discuss the merits of both.
 
159GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 01:02 		Crap, forgot about the keeper issue.

I will once again comment on the fact that I am firmly behind staying with 9.

All the changes I have made have been based on that number.

Cliff
 
160Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 01:22 		Well I am sure that a change wouldn't go into effect until next year so we all have time to prepare. I don't see it passing if the proposal was immediate. In fact, we asked that very question in our informal poll and while several wanted it now, more wanted to wait. Combine that with those that want to keep it at 9 and there is no way IMM that it comes close.
 
161THK
      ID: 33328819
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 09:29 		Holy smokes on the TO trade!
 
162THK
      ID: 33328819
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 11:25 		*8/10/05 Saints receives Vikings 1st round pick in the Foster/Smith/Stallworth for K.Jones deal

*11/22/05 Toral receives thk's 2nd rounder for his 4th round pick in the Smith/Barber for McAlister/Clark deal.

wow...that KJ deal hurt BAAAD.

Foster
Stallworth
Duece
Clark
1st and 2nd round pick

for

Smith
KJ
Barber
4th round pick

Well, to me it doesn't look too bad when I lay it out like that but I really got rocked on that first part. I still think KJ will be great and Duece has Bush and a bum knee to deal with. Foster is decent but will never be a huge producer. Smith is obviously a stud. I will miss my 1st round pick and Stallworth though.

A trade like that just made makes we want to get back into the swing of things. Too bad I have 2 more weeks of hell.

THK
 
163Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 14:03 		Been talking on AIM to a few members who have some strong views about the Keeper issue. I must admit that I am solidly on the fence and really want some discussion so I can figure out how I'm going to vote when it comes to that. I am guessing that others are in the same boat. So if those of you who have strong feelings one way or the other can post, perhaps we can come to some sort of a consensus. I'd like to play devil's advocate on a few issues on either side just to figure out how 7, 8 or 9 affects the league and if a change will even help the league at all.
 
164Great One
      ID: 4249313
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 15:09 		I abstain from voting as I don't really have a concept of the difference that 7, 8 or 9 keepers would make due to my rookie status.
 
165Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 15:17 		Not even clsoe to calling for a vote yet but hoepfully by then we will all have an idea. Again this year will still have 9 keepers. We would be voting for the future after all of our 24 managers are accounted for.
 
166Peter N.
      ID: 36458315
      Wed, May 03, 2006, 18:38 		Damnit 'Cards! You just had to go trade for TO didnt ya? :-) I was planning on rooting for TO this year, oh well. ;-)
 
167Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 04, 2006, 23:20 		SW, let me know who you will drop and I will approve this trade.
 
168Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, May 05, 2006, 10:53 		OK I processed the trade as SW gave me the name of the guy to drop. Also, since our records from last year have been archived, I went ahead and changed GO's team from the Steelers to the Jets.
 
169Great One
      ID: 13447510
      Fri, May 05, 2006, 12:47 		Jets, cool... you can also go ahead and skip that little lottery thing you had planned and just award me Reggie Bush instead. Thanks. :)
 
170GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Fri, May 05, 2006, 16:34 		No way, I'm winning the lottery.
And not taking Bush.
(Fingers crossed)

Cliff
 
171Great One
      ID: 523121411
      Fri, May 05, 2006, 21:22 		Let me just say, I don't believe I have ever won a draft lottery or picked #1 ever in any league - in any sport. So I don't see why my luck would change lol...