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Subject: 2006 NFL Draft Action Thread

  Posted by: Great One - [523121411] Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 08:28
The Houston Texans opted instead for defensive end Mario Williams, pulling one of the biggest shockers in recent history. They signed the North Carolina State standout to a six-year, $54 million contract, with $26.5 million guaranteed Friday night, hours before the start of the draft Saturday.
 
1Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 08:28 		c'mon Jets... trade up two picks... c'mon... ahh!!
 
2Ref
      Donor
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 09:33 		I bet they were afraid that Bush would hold out.
 
3Ref
      Donor
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 09:39 		The move also signifies the team remains confident in the abilities of running back Domanick Davis, who signed a five-year contract reportedly worth more than $21 million before last season.

"The bottom line is he's going to be here and he's going to play, so you've got a player already there that's proven," Casserly said.

The choice of Williams by the Texans could dramatically alter the landscape of the early segment of the first round. The New Orleans Saints, with the second choice, have indicated they would snap up Bush if he fell to their slot. But the Saints had hinted, in general, that they might entertain trade offers for their pick.


The availability of Bush at the No. 2 spot would almost certainly elicit trade offers.


ESPN's Sal Paolantonio reported that other teams are interested in trading up and trying to get Bush in the draft. Among five teams that have contacted the Saints are the Jets, Raiders and the Packers. The Cardinals might be interested in trading up to No. 2, also, but they are not interested in drafting Bush.
 
4barilko6
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 09:52 		The Saints, picking up Drew Brees and now having an asset to trade (Bush or Deuce) could get themselves into very good position this year.
 
5smallwhirled
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 11:49 		I think the Steelers are going to move up 10 spots or so if Santonio Holmes is there to get him. They have 10 draft picks from some suplementals that they picked up and they are ready to use them if the right guy is there.
 
6Rendle
      Donor
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 12:19 		That intro video was kinda weird.
 
7GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 12:50 		Sure starting to look like Leinert will go to the Raiders after all.

Did you catch that look on his face when the Jets took Ferguson.

Cliff
 
8Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 12:51 		Will the Packers trade down with the Rams or Vikes?
 
9GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 12:52 		That's the other possibility.

Starting to change already.

Really expect GB to take Hawk here.

Cliff
 
10Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 12:59 		If Leinhart drops to the Cards - Wow.
 
11Athletics Guy
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:01 		Leinart to Moss! Touchdown!

I love the sound of that. :)
 
12Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:03 		Niners go vernon Davis here unless the Cards, Vikes or Rams knock their sox off.
 
13Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:06 		Michael Huff or Matt Leinhart in Oakland? I think Huff or a trade.
 
14GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:09 		Yep, starting to look more and more like Denny Green will have a shot at Leinert.

Cliff
 
15Athletics Guy
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:15 		!@#$%
 
16Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:16 		That's the right pick for the Raiders. They can get a QB that better fitsd their personel and system.

Bet the Bills never thought they'd be choosing between Leinhart and a DT.
 
17TB
      Sherpa
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:21 		That was the perfect pick for us. We already have our future QB in Walter. I really wanted Huff with this pick, but was starting to think they might take Leinhart.
 
18Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:22 		Bills should trade this pick. Too much value.
 
19GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:22 		Or, does Cutler now come into play.

Cliff
 
20Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:23 		Cutler could go to Detroit.
 
21Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:27 		Bills are idiots. They could have traded way, way down and still got Whitner. Geez.
Eagles have to be happy, they may get Bunkley or Ngata now.
 
22Toral
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:27 		Yep.
 
23Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:30 		Denny Green has to be about to wet his pants. Detroit will take Cutler if they take a QB (I think they'll take a DT, Bunkley or Ngata). Leinhart is going to Arizona.. What a steal for that team.
 
24Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:34 		Sims.

I'm having nightmares right now of the Browns ans Ravens picking up Ngata and Bunkley. Ugh. Love to see the Bengals start looking at trading up for one of those two or Wimbley.

Leinhart to Cards is now a no brainer. Cutler will go to the Rams.
 
25Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:46 		Denver trades - must be for Cutler.
 
26GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:48 		Yep, Cutler to Denver.

Cliff
 
27Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:51 		i love Cutler. Great move by Denver. God i wish Cincy would trade up for Bunkley!
 
28Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:51 		I was just thinking the Jets could trade into the 8-9 spot easily and get Leinart. They could have had Leinart AND D'Brickashaw... now THAT would have been a splash.
 
29Rendle
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:52 		Did they say what the Denver/St. Louis trade was?
 
30Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:53 		I say Wimbley to Cleveland or they go DT.
 
31Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 13:56 		Rams got the 15th and a 3rd round pick.

They'll be going D, I suppose. maybe Tye Hill there.
 
32Rendle
      Donor
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:02 		Browns and Ravens swap picks and the Ravens take Ngata. Hopefully the Browns take Bunkley.
 
33Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:06 		I'm counting: Bunkley, Lawson Wimbley, Jummy Williams, Tye Hill, Greenway.

If any of thise guys makes it to the Bengals, I'll be elated. Never would have thought it was possible.
 
34StLCards
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:08 		That's exactly what I was hoping the Rams would do. Now I just hope they take Hill and not Greenway like some people think.
 
35Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:15 		Like I said in 14 - Eagles have to happy - they get Bunkley, which is who they wanted all along. I'd be shocked if they went O.
 
36Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:16 		Sombody's going to get a nice OT in Winston Justice pretty soon too.
 
37Ref
      Donor
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:18 		Cutler could easily be the best pro QB in the draft and may be the one that doesn't play at all this year!
 
38TB
      Sherpa
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:29 		Unless Warner gets hurt, I don't see any of the rookie QB's getting much playing time this year. Leinhart might be sad that he fell to 10th, but could he have went to a better offense (as far as teams needing a QB)? Edge, Boldin, Fitz...I know I would be stoked if I was him.
 
39Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:31 		Yeah, Leinhart and Cutler both wind up in great situations. 'Zona gotta draft som O line help though.
 
40Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:37 		Miami was supposed to go D here - but Chad Jackson would be a good value here.
 
41GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 14:56 		Jackson could make it to SD or, they'll go DB

Cliff
 
42Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:06 		Chargers would be pretty happy with Jackson.

Cowboys with a surprise, but a hell of a player in Carpenter. Prolly move him inside eventually.

Please keep falling Manny Lawson!! No way he gets by KC though (unless they go WR with Holmes or Jackson)
 
43rockafellerskank
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:08 		3 Buckeye's in top 18 and a chance for 6 1st rounders. How'd they ever lose a game?
 
44GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:13 		Other thought would be that SD goes with Cromartie.

Wouldn't be surprised.

Cliff
 
45Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:13 		They didn't lose many. How'd FSU lose with 3 of the top fifteen?

KC going to take Lawson - dangit! (please take Hali)
 
46Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:15 		Yeah - i think Cromarie's the right pick for SD.

If lawson's gone - I hope the bengals trade down with someone wanting a WR or maybe with the Texans wanting a RB or WR or possibly Winston Justice. How 'bout Texans #2 and #3 for Bengals #1 - Texans take Winston Justice. Sound sgood to me.
 
47GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:15 		Or SD goes Winston Justice - I really hope not.

Cliff
 
48GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:16 		Also forgot Holmes is there and SD could go that route.

Cliff
 
49GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:17 		I'm sure they are looking at one of those 4.

If it is anybody else, I'm shocked.

Cliff
 
50GoatLocker
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:18 		Cromartie
 
51Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:21 		Cromartie could be a steal. That's who I had the Bengals getting at 24.

Now I'm hoping for Manny Lawson or Jimmy Williams or even better a trade down.
 
52Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:29 		KC going to take Lawson - dangit! (please take Hali)

LMAO. It worked. Hali isn't strong enough to play on the line. Keep dropping Lawson! Bad pick for KC. Good for NE and Cincy.
 
53Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:46 		I knew it was too good to be true. Lawson goes to SF. Now I'm hoping for Jimmy Williams, but am afraid we'll pick a TE. ugh.
 
54Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:51 		Anyone know of a site that lists the best available players? I woul like to have a visual of who is currently on most people's boards.
 
55Species
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 15:55 		49ers doing VERY well in this draft. Things fell perfectly into place. Woo hoo.
 
56Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:01 		Please God take Jimmy Williams!
 
57Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:13 		Don't the Giants need some CB's?
 
58Ktx
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:15 		Winston Justice Free falling...

trend for the Trojans this year =(

Ah what has happened!
 
59Ktx
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:15 		yea i thought Giants needed a CB, but espn is talking about WRs... shrug
 
60Ktx
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:21 		5 smallwhirled
ID: 43338280
Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 11:49 I think the Steelers are going to move up 10 spots or so if Santonio Holmes is there to get him. They have 10 draft picks from some suplementals that they picked up and they are ready to use them if the right guy is there.

Genius SW, GENIUS...
 
61Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:33 		The Bills are insane.
 
62smallwhirled
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:33 		Bills worst draft ever.

Carolina got a steal, wow.
 
63Boxman
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:41 		What are the terms of the trade the Bears made with the Bills in the first round? ESPN passed right over it in their coverage.
 
64Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:45 		Loving the Mangold pick to go with D'Brickashaw - top C in the draft, building depth from the inside out. Hoping for a good RB with the Jets pick 6 picks later..
 
65Myboyjack
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:48 		yeah the Jets with a couple of sure things on the line. Great way to build a team.
 
66Boxman
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 16:50 		Answered my own question, looks like my Bears got a second and third round pick this year for their first rounder #26 overall.

Not bad at all. Let's see if they can capitalize on it.
 
67Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 17:08 		I was thinking I wanted Lendale White for the Jets 3 picks from now, but now I don't know. Jimmy Williams, Youbouty... wouldn't mind a WR like Chad Jackson or Sinorice Moss (Coles/Moss II?!).
 
68Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 17:18 		and they traded the pick the Redskins... hmm... imagine if the Skins pick the OTHER Moss?!
 
69Ref
      Donor
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 17:18 		Bill Polian is the best GM in the league. If he thinks this Addai guy is a better bet than White, than who am I to argue.

ESPN was talking about many many issues that has scared teams away. Some I hadn't heard until today.
 
70Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 17:35 		Javon Walker traded to Denver for their 2nd Round pick.
 
71Taxman
      SuperDude
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 17:45 		answer to post #54 Great One... TSN War Room
 
72Great One
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 17:49 		Didn't even realize Winston Justice was still available. Thats what many mock drafts had the Eagles taking in the 1st round... for them to get him in 2nd! well done.
 
73Taxman
      SuperDude
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 17:51 		Does anybody have a link that reports the draft day trades of picks/players/wives?

 
74beetski
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      Sat, Apr 29, 2006, 22:26 		I believe the Jets blew it in the third round. Haven't heard anybody talk about this yet but Brian Calhoun should have been the pick, they traded down and probably thought no one would pick the RB, Schlagel was a reach.
 
75G
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      Sun, Apr 30, 2006, 04:16 		Nice call SW - #5.

It was nice to see Steelers get one of the top WR's in the draft. A.RE was a decent role player but he would not have been a starter on most teams.

I know WR's are usually one of slowest positions to make an impact in the NFL but I guess I am still a little surprised that the first WR didn't go until Pitt picked. Was it really that weak of a draft for WR's this year?

To the Vikes, you never know on draft day, but is this one of the worst draft teams there is? Most of the folks I talked to are in disbelief at their choices yet again. One staff writer said after their second pick in round two, "if this was a fight, they would have to throw in the towel". Now that is funny. Who are these guys and how can you reach for a player at 50 something that isn't in the top 100 for most boards. Then they trade two number 3's for Pitt's second round pick. MN is not a player or two away from the big game. They need bodies to come in and make the team and hopefully start in a couple years from now. Your third round picks should make your squad. Giving up two thirds just didn't make sense to me especially for who they went with.
 
76Ref
      Donor
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      Sun, Apr 30, 2006, 09:53 		Apparently Washington disagrees with your assessment on AR-El!

Lendale White going at 45 is telling. Either a HUGE steal or a wasted 2nd rounder. He had more TDs than Bush. If he gets his act together he could be a very good pro.
 
77Mike ECfnW D
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      Sun, Apr 30, 2006, 10:30 		Real happy with the Philly picks. I even like the Div. 1-AA guy in the 3rd, as he projects at strong side LB, not DE.
 
78barilko6
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 12:01 		Some very interesting stats regarding the draft "experts":



John Lund, AM Drive host at 1270 WXYT in Detroit, with help from Mike Sando of the Tacoma News Tribune, looked at 17 mock drafts and came up with these odd stats:

• The only consensus pick was Reggie Bush #1 to Texans...all missed.

• On average the "expert" was 4 for 32 in right team / right player picks.

• On average "expert" picked 26 of the 32 players picked in the first round regardless of team.

• Every mock had Winston Justice in first round. He went 39th to Philly in 2nd round. Jarrett Bell of USA Today and Don Banks of SI.com had him 8th to Buffalo.

• Every mock had Chad Jackson, WR Florida in the first round. He went to the Patriots in the 2nd round, pick 36th overall. Most had him going to Denver at # 15.

• Frank Croyle of Dratfinsiders.com (Ha!) and Chris Colston of USA Today picked 1 player/team combos correctly. Croyle picked Nick Mangold to the Jets at #29. He was the only expert to go 0 for the first 10 picks. He went 0 for the first 28 picks. Colston picked Vernon Davis to the 49ers at #6 and missed 26 straight.

• The draft God, Mel Kiper picked 5 correctly and had 26 of the 32 players in the first round in his mock.
 
79Ref
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 13:12 		Good stuff!
 
80WiddleAvi
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 13:39 		The guy on NFL network, can't remember his name, had it right up to pick 11 (Thats when I stopped watching so it may be a lot more then that) aside from the Mario Williams/Reggie Bush picks.
 
81barilko6
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 13:50 		Really? He called the Bills picking Donte Whitner at pick 8?!? That is incredible, becauase as a huge Bills fan that totally threw me for a loop. Even the radio guys on AM550 went "Who?" when they made the pick...lol
 
82Ref
      Donor
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 14:58 		I am so glad Vick didn't get drafted.
 
83biliruben
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 15:08 		The Bills are insane.

Agreed.

They are always a bit unconventional, and they do need some different personnel to go with a new scheme, but that's no reason to throw away obvious value, picking dudes 10 picks (at least) too early.

They needed linemen. They got DBs. Maybe they can stack them on eachother's shoulders.
 
84Frick@Work
      Donor
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 15:52 		Re: 78


Does anyone know if anyone has compiled a team's "grades" and compared it to their record over a certain time period?

It doesn't take into accout free agency, but good or bad drafting should have some relationsip to a teams record.

I'm a Colts fan so I'm biased,but the Colts usually get a low draft grade. Granted they haven't won a SuperBowl, but they have had a good record over the last 4-5 years.

The Colts and Polian have been mocked for not making the "smart/expert" pick, but I have to think they have turned out ok i.e. Manning/Leaf, Edge/Ricky, Freeney/whoever.

 
85Myboyjack
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 16:33 		HaHaHA - I did better than Kiper - again.
 
86WiddleAvi
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 17:56 		Mike Mayock Mock Draft

He got the first 8 right. Missed at #9 but had Leinhart at #10 and Cutler at #11 but to the rams.
 
87barilko6
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 21:06 		re 86...Wow, that is incredible!

re 83...The Bills did reach a bit on their first pick, but got GREAT value on their later picks that made up for it. I would have liked to see a good OL picked up somewhere, but I am generally pleased with what they did.

I heard today on the radio that it would make the most sense to Grade Drafts 5 years later...and I agree...it takes some players longer to develop than others, and who can really tell who is going to be good before they actually take to the field, that is why there are busts and sleepers!
 
88TB
      Sherpa
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 22:06 		#86- He got the first two picks wrong. Williams went first, not Bush.

I don't think the Bills reached on Whitner. He is definite first round value and should be an excellent playmaker for them, but I do think they could have traded down and still got him. I read specualtion that they thought Detroit or another team was looking at Whitner so they didn't gamble on trading down.
 
89TB
      Sherpa
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      Tue, May 02, 2006, 22:12 		I meant to add this to the last post.
In the ESPN's 2006 NFL Draft First Round Forecast there were several people who got 12 of the first 13 picks correct, with the only wild-card being Whitner. Lots of people guessed Bunkley was going in that spot.