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| Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:03
The clock will start on Wednesday morning, but I will activate the draft this evening. The clock will be set at 6 hours, with a moratorium from 11pm-7am EDT. If the clock expires, the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can. The clock will continue to run on weekends.
People at the endpoints of the draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. Similarly, the clock will be manually advanced to skip past anyone who already has a pick in arrears, unless other arrangements have been made in advance of that pick.
We will maintain a draft discussion thread here, but it will probably not be used extensively. If you know that you have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette.
If you know you will be away when your next pick is likely to be due, you can can set up a queue in kafenatid and designate one of more managers to pick on your behalf. Your queue will not be visible until it is your turn to pick. By default, I am able to submit picks for anyone, but you should designate me so that I receive the email alert when it is your turn.
I will clear all rosters at the fanball site shortly, and ask that each of you pick up your player as soon as you draft him. I will also attempt to make pickups for teams using a designated picker, so that we can maintain as complete a list of free agents as possible.
When drafting, there is no need to draft every position. For example, if you want to skip a kicker, be my guest. However, the Fanball software will force you to fill each of the 14 active slots when you set your lineup for each game. You will not have the ability to leave an active slot blank, so plan your bench needs accordingly.
Rationales will be expected for each pick, but deleayed by two rounds. When we near the end of round two, I will set up a thread for those.
As a final caveat, I am on vacation until Saturday. I do plan to keep up, checking in several times daily. But there will be times when I might not be as available as usual for the first few days.
Any picks made prior to Wednesday morning are discretionary, and not timed. There is no need to get an early start - but feel free to do so, if you are so inclined.
A final caveat: Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.
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| | | 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:21
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I think that each team is able to add its own drafted players, but let me know if that's not the case. On the player listing page, there is a "sign now" link, which I hope is available to everyone.
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| | | 3 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:29
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Aim = culdeus2
I'll follow the draft on kafe during the day, but not what's up here. I'll probably dump my rationales in batches.
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| | | 4 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 21:18
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Valkyrie, I'm actually more interested in moving my first pick. I'd rather do a complete draft swap.
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| | | 5 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 22:24
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Picked LT up with no problems at all.
Working just find Dave.
So, we got two in.
Guessing legge is still in the air.
Cliff
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| | | 6 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 23:57
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I don't think I will be around in the morning. I made youngroman and Guru DP's for me and set a queue for my first round pick.
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| | | 7 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 07:29
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FYI - Selected Guru and Hubble as my DPs, but was able to get my own pick in this morning.
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| | | 8 | Valkyrie
ID: 313182621
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 11:52
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Athletics Guy- I understand but can't really differentiate between our first picks and 3 slots on the way back could be big. Check me again before my next turn I still might accept if the draft surprises me.
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| | | 9 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 11:57
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I just talked to TB and he's on his way home to pick. I would guess it will be done in 30 minutes or less.
If not, your pizza is free.
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| | | 10 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 12:25
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No free pizza. Edge is no longer available.
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| | | 11 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 14:19
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Word of caution - if you make your queue available (to your designated pickers) and it is your turn to pick, I will pick from your queue. If you do not want someone (like me) to pick for you, make sure your queue is unavailable for that round.
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| | | 12 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 14:21
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Erik wants you to select Peyton Manning for him.
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| | | 13 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 14:39
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From the original post: A final caveat: Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.
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| | | 14 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:04
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Doug, I am guessing you pasted that for my benefit. Let me spell it out more clearly.
Rotoguru.com was unaccessible before Motley Crue left his office for a meeting. (Been happening a lot lately) It is his turn to pick and he does not have access to kafenatid from work. He should have made me a DP, but he didn't. Erik requested that I post his selection in this thread so that Guru could make the pick for him. So, once again, please select for Motley Crue
1.13 Peyton Manning, QB, Ind
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| | | 15 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:15
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Pick entered
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| | | 16 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:27
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Thanks for making my pick, Guru. Sorry I didn't have any designated pickers set.
Since I appear to have come up again, I'd like to select RB Warrick Dunn, ATL.
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| | | 17 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:48
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If any of the teams picking 1-8 would like to swap 2nd and 3rd round picks with me, I would consider it. In other words, I'd potentially swap my picks 2.04 and 3.11 for your 2nd and 3rd round picks. Email me if interested.
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| | | 18 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:55
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Re: 14... thanks for the explanation. I thought it was a joke reference or something, as I had no idea who "Erik" referred to. No harm, no foul. =-)
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| | | 19 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 17:09
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LOL, I shouldn't have assumed everyone knew MC's first name. I am a little loopy from the pain meds. =)
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| | | 20 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 17:36
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Crap and I always thought MCs first name was Motley :)
jk
Cliff
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| | | 21 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:15
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What's going on with this wild RB run? Some pretty questionable reaches at this point IMO.
What's this trade you want Guru? Who is picking 1-8? Is that first or second round. As it is I fall in both categories.
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| | | 22 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:38
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I decided to keep the pick. I might have done it with someone who picks nearer the end of round 2 (and beginning of round 3). But none of them had offered, and it was time to move on.
If anyone picking near the end of round 2 wants Droughns, I'd still consider a swap.
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| | | 23 | Valkyrie
ID: 313182621
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 20:52
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I am up- for the next 60 minutes I will trade this pick and my 3rd rounder (#36) for the 2 and 3 rd round picks of any other the top 5 (i.e bottom 5 of the 2nd round). E-mail me if interested.
Steve
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| | | 24 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:14
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Make that 30 minutes just so I don't unnecessarily hold the draft up. I'll pick at 6:30 PDT (9:30 EDT) if no one expresses interest by then.
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| | | 25 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:34
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That's the first time in probably 10 years I've taken a WR in the second round.
Unreal. Complete miscalculation of how the events would shake out in front of me.
I'll now go light myself on fire.
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| | | 26 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:38
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Thanks, that should be entertaining for the rest of us.
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| | | 27 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:53
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I think this is the 3rd time I've taken a WR in the 2nd round under the RIFC format.
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| | | 28 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 22:06
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I did a pretty wide ranging study of X-X-X prior to this year. I found that of the playoff qualifiers it's a roughly 50-45-5 split of RB-RB RB-WR Any-Any so it's not a death sentence especially if you get a top tier one. Last year certainly tanks the numbers because Culpepper/McNabb just ruined people.
And without a doubt the single biggest predictor of playoff qualification is having two RBs in the first three rounds. It was extremely rare like ~15% of those that pulled it off, but the sample size is extremely low for that so who knows.
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| | | 29 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 22:17
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Hold off on the names, please. Very easy to do, granted, but let's be careful out there.
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| | | 30 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 23:08
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Oh good grief. It's not like you haven't heard of every single player drafted before. It's not like someone says something about [insert x player] and all of a sudden someone jumps up and goes. "Holy #### I totally forgot he was in the league!"
Staying within the spirit of the rule which isn't to shamelessly promote or detract from someone to suit your interests is acceptable.
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| | | 31 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 23:26
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I figure it was bolded in the leading post for a reason. Figured it might have been accidental so I'd point it out since I've come close to doing that myself writing up my rationalizations. No harm done from my perspective, but it's not really my call to make.
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| | | 32 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 00:05
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What is really funny about it is that if he started a whole new thread to talk about players, then it's okay. BUT, we can't talk about them in this thread. I think that rule was created by some uptight "sharks" many years ago who didn't want other "sharks" to help feed the "guppies". I use those terms loosely because there are no guppies in this league. I will abide by the rule, but it is kinda silly.
On thye other hand, I was very antsy waiting for my 2nd round pick. I really wanted to draft Reggie Bush. Let's say that before my pick came up that one of the other mangers posted that he just didn't know who he wanted and needed a few more minutes. Then another managers says, "I would grab Reggie Bush if I were you." Then that guy drafts Reggie Bush. Well, I would be an unhappy person.
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| | | 33 | Motley Crue
ID: 25712176
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 07:16
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Hey, Doug: don't you have something to say to culdeus?
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| | | 34 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 09:51
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Beezer, that was a hell of a rationale. Nice work. You've really set the bar high for the rest of us.
Which reminds me: I wrote up my rationale for Manning last night at home, and left it there today. Crap.
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| | | 35 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:03
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Thanks MC. I love doing the rationales because it helps me remember what I was thinking when I try to figure out why I did something dumb later. I doubt the rest of them run that long, but I won't promise that as I can ramble on frequently.
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| | | 37 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:24
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Pff, whatever, leggestand.
You're on my hit list now, buddy boy.
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| | | 38 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:30
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I gave you a "value" pick. Keep up the good work and you may be able to stick around in this league!
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| | | 39 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:30
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I agree that some people seem to go overboard on the undrafted player prohibition. I certainly don't have a problem with the casual mention of an undrafted player which is not in the context of calling attention to him in the current draft (whatever that means!) However, I also realize that different people see things differently (in part depending in their draft situation), and it doesn't hurt to try to enforce the rule strictly, just to avoid any possible unintended consequences. Realize, of course, that by calling out an infraction, you exacerbate the situation by bringing extra attention to the undrafted player's name. Sometimes I think it's better just to allow innocuous infractions alone.
On a separate note, I will be on the road for 11 hours tomorrow, leaving Ohio in mid-morning, and not arriving home until evening. I will try to leave a queue, but that may be difficult depending on where the draft stands when I leave. I will have a cell phone, and would like to have someone available to call me when it's my pick, if necessary. Send me an email if you can fulfill that role, and we'll coordinate. Thanks.
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| | | 40 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 11:40
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I'm going out for about an hour and a half. If my turn comes up, please be patient. I will post my pick here for Guru or TB or legge to execute sometime after that.
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| | | 43 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:05
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I'll take WR Plaxico Burress, NYG.
Thanks.
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| | | 44 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:12
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I actually can't figure out how to make a pick for MC. I am getting "Queue Unavailable/Empty" with no ability to type anything in. Anyone have suggestions?
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| | | 45 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:13
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It says Queue Unavailable/Empty and won't let me make a pick for you. No drop down box where I can put in a name.
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| | | 46 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:14
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Glad to see I wasn't going crazy. Guess we wait till Guru gets back.
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| | | 47 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:18
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Nevermind, my woman did it for me.
You technologically stunted boobs.
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| | | 48 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:22
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Good to see you trust somebody with your password. Lord knows, there is a lot of classified information in kafenatid. =)
I will be out for about 2 hours, then should be back for the rest of today.
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| | | 49 | deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 15:12
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unsolicited tip of the day - you have to make your queue Available to your desiginated pickers after you put players in it. (2 separate functions in OTC.) ;)
ds
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| | | 50 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 15:14
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I messed up; my bad.
I never made a queue! I just assumed if I added those guys as designated pickers, they would be able to pick for me if I told them one name in another location (here, telephone, wherever).
And the IDP ice is broken...
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| | | 51 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:14
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I thought that designated pickers could make picks even if the queue was unavailable. I'm surprised if that's not the case.
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| | | 52 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:18
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I don't think you have to make a queue, just that it has to be set as "available"... then they can type the name in for you. I could be wrong.
In other words, I don't think the available/unavailable switch is actually queue-specific, I think it actually is more of a "let my pickers pick for me / don't let them pick for me" toggle.
I could be wrong. It's happened twice.
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| | | 53 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:26
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I bet you are correct, Doug, and we can test it. I will make you a DP for me on my upcoming pick. I will erase my queue, but make it available. Don't be drafting anyone for me, though...lol
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| | | 54 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:37
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Doug, he wants Onterrio Smith...
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| | | 55 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:38
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Well aren't you just a draft whiz... =-p
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| | | 56 | JeffG
ID: 146591911
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:39
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Just chiming in. I am in another league drafting using On The Clock.
There was a change from how it worked for the 2006 baseball draft and prior. Now the DP can only enter a pick for someone else from that person's queue. The only free-form typing in of a name picking can be done only for your own picks, or for someone else by the ADMIN or COMMISH.
So for a DP to make a pick for you, you have to set a queue AND make it 'available'.
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| | | 57 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:39
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TB: It says "Queue Unavailable / Empty"
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| | | 58 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:39
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Thanks for the update JeffG.
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| | | 59 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:46
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Okay. I doubled checked to make sure and I did have it set to "available" Going to post my rationale and then pick now.
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| | | 60 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:51
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Well, that sucks, unless I make a 100 man queue. I guess I could do that.
I'll work on it tonight.
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| | | 61 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 17:08
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I just emailed KKB to see if there was some way to relax that limitation. Most times, I'd be available to make picks for others. But not tomorrow.
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| | | 62 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 17:12
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FYI, I will be travelling tomorrow as well. I expect to briefly log on around 8am PST, then be unavailable most of the day. I will attempt to leave a solid queue along with DPs, but depending on the situation may also request phone calls w/ draft updates. I'll have a printout with me so I can track the draft. Please email me if you think you'd like to volunteer for phone duty. =-)
After tomorrow, I still expect to have "spotty" internet access as I will be travelling until the 27th. Hopefully via queues and/or phone calls I will not be a hindrance to the draft.
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| | | 63 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 17:19
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I am looking at possibly swapping 5th and 6th round picks for someone between pick 8-14. If someone is interested in an early 5th round pick, send me an email.
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| | | 65 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 107471717
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 18:53
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If someone needs a pick to be made, I'm certainly available tomorrow. Just use the Feedback form at the site and let me know.
Guru, tried to send a reply, but it got bounced back. Not sure why.
Anyhow, the short story is that I'll be working on functionality to allow a manager to set whether or not they want to allow free-form entry by their desginated pickers. It should be wrapped up sometime this weekend, if not earlier.
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| | | 66 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 20:27
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TB - can I use you as my DP for tomorrow? I'll have a queue set up (and available).
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| | | 67 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 20:52
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Yes, you sure can. I am nursing a bum shoulder so should be around all day if anyone else needs a DP. If you want an update when it's your turn to pick, email me a phone number and I will call.
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| | | 69 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 21:03
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Heh, why is it that Raiders fans always wind up with Tom Brady in RIFC?
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| | | 70 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 21:13
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I think it's because I like how the refs look the other way when the NE O-line holds and how the majority of calls go their way. Really helps my fantasy stats. ;)
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| | | 71 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:04
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This pick would happen a lot faster if IAC didn't just take Gonzalez...
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| | | 72 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:30
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If Hubble's in Europe as I suspect, it's around 4 AM for him. So maybe he'll pick in a few hours.
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| | | 73 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:31
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If any trades are done between 9am-9pm tomorrow, someone will have to email KKB to get it processed. Use the feedback form at the kafenatid site, as he suggests in [65].
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| | | 74 | For Goatlocker
ID: 2192327
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:45
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Hubble deflates a few ballons, I'm sure.
I inserted a placeholder for GoatLocker. So, if you're still around, Hubble, you can post your rationales.
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| | | 75 | For Goatlocker
ID: 2192327
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:46
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Ballons, balloons, yeah.
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| | | 76 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:47
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Heh. I seem to be too tired to get this right!
Good night. Draft well while I'm gone.
I will be online all day tomorrow, but with no Kafenatid access.
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| | | 77 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:49
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Brutal, I tells ya, brutal! Last 3 picks were right off the top of my sheet. Nice ones!
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| | | 78 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:50
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leggestand - I emailed you with an offer re post 71.
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| | | 79 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:55
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Trade completed:
leggestand gets 5.11 and 6.04
Guru gets 5.03 and 6.12
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| | | 81 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 23:24
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Re: Post 70
So true, and he's fumble-proof too.
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| | | 82 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 23:34
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Exactly...
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| | | 85 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:19
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I'm about to hit the highway. I left a modest queue, which may or may not last for 20 picks. If the draft makes it back to me, you'll probably have to wait until I get home, hopefully by 10pm. (Remember that leggestand now controls my 5.11 and 6.04 picks.)
TB has my cell phone number if it's needed.
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| | | 86 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:25
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Does that mean I get to be the acting 1SG while Guru is gone?
Okay, I need a three-man detail for police call on the rationales thread. I also need a detail for managers to add their newly drafted players to their RIFC team. Hoooah
=)
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| | | 87 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:31
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I'm a civilian. You're barking up the wrong tree.
*rolls over and goes back to sleep*
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| | | 88 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:32
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LOL
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| | | 89 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 11:48
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Hey Legge, I am stepping out for an hour/hour and a half. I know that Doug and MC have you as a DP and I set you as one for me too. Please just draft the top guy for me when my turn comes up. It's a small queue so if they are all gone I will pick when I get back.
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| | | 90 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 11:56
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Sounds good. I should be around.
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| | | 91 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 12:12
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legge, please pick RB Chris Brown, TEN for me now.
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| | | 92 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 12:24
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That goes for you, too, TB, if you come back anytime soon.
I'm leaving now. Chris Brown better be on my team when I get back!
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| | | 93 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 14:48
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It's too nice out, i'm going to play some golf...
Will be back at 20:30... i'm not real comfortable with a 8 man Q. Hopefully you guys won't have to wait for me.
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| | | 94 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 14:57
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I think you are okay, Hubble. I don't think Guru will be back to pick until about that time and too many picks have come off the board for him not to sit down and analyze his draft board before making a pick. We have been making great progress on the draft. Good job to everyone.
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| | | 95 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 15:45
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Good job to everyone.
Hmph. Someone hasn't looked at the Rationale thread lately. It's approaching "atrocious".
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| | | 96 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 15:50
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Agreed, MC. There are several in this thread that need to be moved over, and that would help a lot, but we're missing several besides that.
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| | | 97 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 17:33
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I have moved over the rationales that were in this thread, cleaned the formats up a bit, and deleted those posts from this thread.
Missing rationales (by Kafenatid nic):
culdeus-
-1.07 Clinton Portis
-2.08 Chad Johnson
-3.07 DeShaun Foster
-4.08 Javon Walker
RotoGuru
-3.11 Donald Driver
-4.04 Jeremy Shockey
Stray Doug
-3.12 Roy Williams
-4.03 Jonathan Vilma
eserel
-1.14 Willie Parker
-2.01 Brian Westbrook
-3.14 Andre Johnson
-4.01 Derrick Mason
It looks like only 8 teams are adding their players on the RIFC League site after they draft them. Go to the RIFC league site, hover over Transactions with your mouse and then click on Drop/Add players. Find their name in the right window, highlight the player name you want to add, and then click on process.
This link might take you directly to that page: add/drop.
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| | | 98 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 17:48
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Sorry about the Fanball roster... it's now been updated.
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| | | 99 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 17:50
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I talked with Guru and he said he should be home and have his pick made by 10pm, if not a little earlier. I am signing off for the rest of the day. It shouldn't make it back down to the south side until tomorrow.
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| | | 100 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 18:14
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Thanks TB - that's a big improvement.
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| | | 101 | culdeus
ID: 376401719
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:11
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I'm behind on rationales I know. It will be some time before I can catch up when I do I'll do them all at once.
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| | | 102 | culdeus
ID: 376401719
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:34
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All there. Made time.
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| | | 103 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:43
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Love the pics in with the post. I might have to start doing that myself. :)
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| | | 104 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:46
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Really long, bad day at work.
Will get FanBall updated shortly.
Cliff
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| | | 105 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:57
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Home again, and just made my pick. Thanks to TB for keeping me apprised while on the road. Kudos to everyone for moving the draft along at a brisk pace. I don't think we've ever completed 6 rounds in the first 3 days.
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| | | 106 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 22:15
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Ok, just picked.
It's to Hubble for 2.
Let's keep this going.
Cliff
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| | | 107 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 22:21
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Hubble's online... so I think he should be arround... I'll be arround watching for my turn as well (if people need to leave queues or whatever)
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| | | 108 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 22:39
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I was afk... will pick within 10 minutes...
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| | | 109 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 23:22
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I'm here with full net access all evening, too.
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| | | 110 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 23:24
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GoatLocker, are you still here?
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| | | 111 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 00:50
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Got brief access tonight and just left a queue that should cover my next 2 picks. If possible, give me a call to confirm before picking for me. Don't call before 7:30am PST though please. Really bummed I can't be more involved guys. Will try to post rationales when I can... I think I'll have better access on Sunday.
Thanks TB and leggestand for your help today!
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| | | 112 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 00:54
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MC I added you to my DPs. I've set a 3 player queue (available). Feel free to use it. Thx
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| | | 113 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 01:00
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LOL, I just set up a queue to cover my next pick too. Nobody wants to get up early tomorrow, eh?
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| | | 114 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 02:24
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I just noticed that under this
Designated Picker for Others
These are managers who have specified that you are allowed to make picks for them.
it allows you to "refuse".
Heh. What's up with that?
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| | | 115 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 02:26
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I think the thought behind Refuse when Fred did it was that if you were not going to be around, you could refuse so they would know to add someone else.
Just what comes to mind, but we all know I have no memory.
Cliff
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| | | 116 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 02:27
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Yeah, good point.
That you have no memory, I mean. I totally agree.
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| | | 117 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 03:43
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Now that is amazing, somebody agreeing with me, that is.
Cliff
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| | | 118 | culdeus
ID: 376401719
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:18
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I completed two slow drafts of nearly 20 rounds on MFL in just over a week. I think the Kafe system has outlived it's usefulness. Plus no added cost with MFL over the league cost.
The primary advantage is that it automatically picks from your queue for you when you are up. So when someone goes AWOL usually the next 8 picks happen instentaneously.
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| | | 119 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:33
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Who can take a queue over the next three hours?
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| | | 121 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:38
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I can... i'm not in front of computer all time, but i'll check in...
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| | | 122 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:42
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Thanks - I've added you to my list.
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| | | 123 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:46
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The Beezer,
Just got up, but I'll be around also if you want to add me.
Cliff
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| | | 124 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 12:29
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RE 118, we use MFL for our survivor league drafts. I almost always have my picks preselected and it picks for me as soon as my turn comes up. MC and I were talking about a couple suggestions for the On The Clock software.
1) Make an option for the queue to automatically select your top player. No need for DP if you check that option.
2) Make an option to "only show" your top rated player to your DP's. I know there are times none of us want to make a long queue because we don't want everyone to see who we have on our radar.
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| | | 125 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:03
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I've passed along those suggestions to KKB. I know I've made the second suggestion in previous draft, and I'm a bit surprised that it hasn't been implemented yet, since it seems like an easy one.
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| | | 126 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:25
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culdeus - Your Tatum Bell references in 3.07 (DeShaun Foster) make no sense in the context of that pick. I suspect they belong in your 5.07 rationale (D. Rhodes), since Tatum was picked immediately ahead of that?
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| | | 127 | culdeus
ID: 376401719
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:41
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Yeah, I got a little confused there and was doing that all pretty much from memory at 90 miles an hour while intoxicated.
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I think people are overthinking this draft a bit and getting too "cute" with their picks. People on the corners seem to be in way to big a hurry to jumpstart runs when there is considerable value on the board.
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| | | 128 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:47
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Are Randy Moss/Marvin Harrisson out of value? Did I reach on Benson/Jones as 2nd/3rd RB? Just out of curiosity...
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| | | 129 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:49
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I say we band together and start a kicker run :)
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| | | 130 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:59
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I just updated rosters for the two teams that still had completely empty rosters on Fanball: culdeus and Doug. Thanks to the other 12 of you who are following instructions and keeping your rosters relatively current.
(I also added the latest two picks for Hubble, since I was "in the neighborhood".)
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| | | 132 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 15:49
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I have to admit that this draft is very interesting. So many people are going different directions with their strategies.
I guess I attribute it to increasing the starting IDP's to 6.
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| | | 133 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 15:54
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Doug is certainly traveling on a peculiar path. I'm sure he has an interesting rationale (which probably explains why he hasn't posted one yet).
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| | | 134 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 15:56
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Having just said that, I sure hope Doug intended me to pick from that queue of his!
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| | | 135 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:03
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...but if his next queued pick shows another IDP, I'm going to wait until I get confirmation from him to go with it. I know he's got limited internet access, and I want to make sure we aren't using an obsolete queue.
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| | | 137 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:08
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I'll give Doug a phone call and check back in here...
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| | | 138 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:09
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Straight to voice mail, but I left him a message.
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| | | 139 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:11
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Quadruple post...
re 134: Andra Davis was not on his queue yesterday, so, I imagine that is who he wanted this round.
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| | | 140 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:12
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I am looking at his team thinking he is going to be strong at IDP. He has three of the top 10-15 LB each in the 150-160 scoring range.
Hubble, I thought your Jones/Benson picks on the turn were brilliant. Neither would have been there on your next set of picks and you locked up the Chicago running game. Either by themself was a bit of a risk, but I think you are sitting good at the RB position now.
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| | | 141 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:01
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Guru, I haven't gotten in touch with Doug, but his next pick is not an IDP, according to his queue. Since you pick right after him, I'll let you decide what route to go. My hunch is that we should use his queue.
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| | | 142 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:04
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Speak of the devils...Doug called and wanted Welker and was good with the Andra Davis pick.
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| | | 143 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:05
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Need to know if we are starting a new rationale thread or if we should do about 8 rounds per thread and keep it at three threads.
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| | | 144 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:06
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Haha - I actually expected that he would take Welker with one of those 2 picks!
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| | | 145 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:17
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I had Welker coming up on my radar and wondered if anyone else did.
I am in limbo on the rationale placeholders. Do I add more on the current thread or wait to see if you start a new thread? I wait.
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| | | 146 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:22
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Since we have 24 rounds, I'm going to split the rationales in groups of 6 rounds. So continue the current thread through 6.14.
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| | | 148 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:55
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I just don't get Doug's thing. I have to think people were using an obsolete queue. He gets 4 offensive players with really really low floors and then breaks the seal on D/ST and rolls with 3 LBs.
McGahee represented one of the biggest reaches of the first round (bigger than Parker IMO) and yet he sits with the biggest Dodds ranking of everyone at this point. I expect that to plummet as people start filling in starters though.
I just don't see how that team has a chance of making the playoffs right now. Really. It's gonna take a miracle.
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| | | 149 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 18:03
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Left a queue that should last two round, but might last more. Will be out of pocket most likely thru mid morning. Please don't pick for it more than two timss. (stop at round 10)
thanks
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| | | 150 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 18:37
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Sorry that took almost an hour to decide. I really needed about 5 picks in a row right there.
Culdeus, I don't get you sometimes. This is our third year together in the same RIFC leagues and each year you go on these tangents about picks. Honestly, I find that all of your picks are predictable and that's because you use FBG numbers like it is the Lord's gospel. Doug is also using them, based on his picks, but he adjusted Welker's projection numbers to reflect return yards. I still have a couple WR rated over Welker, but not by much. For the record, he was the 21st highest scoring WR last year and was the 33rd drafted receiver this year.
But the part I don't get is if you have it all figured out, why would you post like your upset at everyone else's picks unless they weren't supposed to grab them then because you were going to get them later? If everyone else is drafting stupid, you should walk away with the title.
I guess you didn't see how good McGahee looked in their last preseason game. He could be a top 5 back this year and in the place he was drafted he was one of the highest rated RB still available, according to DD and current FBG projections. Parker is 13 and McGahee is 14. Your Dodd's ranking isn't going to be accurate if you don't reflect return yards.
I just realized I never even added points for Bush getting return yards so he could have an even higher ceiling. I did adjust McGee to 160 points (added 55) and Hall to 148 points (added 84). McGee had 164 last year in 15 games so I am optimistic that he scores over 170. Hall scored 154.7 last year so hopefully I low-balled his projections as well. So you can probably look at where you have me on your Dodds and add another 140 points. Or not.
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| | | 151 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 19:12
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Gotta love it.
Only midway through round 8 and here we go again.
Cliff
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| | | 152 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:03
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LOL. I have nothing but love for all my gurupie brethren, and maybe I am reading his rationales and posts wrong, but they seem kinda smug.
And as I’ve said the single biggest predictor of playoff qualification is going at least with two RBs in the first three picks.
Maybe its because 11 or 12 of the 14 teams drafted 2 RB in the first three rounds and 8 of the 14 make the play-offs. Now, when it comes to winning the league that is a different story. Personally, I like to get two strong ones early, but that has not been predictor for championship success. Guru won last year drafting QB, RB, WR. MC won the year before drafting Barlow and Henry in the first two rounds and who were both busts. Culdeus had the best record in our AAA league because he drafted Johnson in the 6th round, not because of the injured RB he drafted in the 1st round. I like smack talking, football chat, the draft, and the entire football season, but there are so many things that can change the outcome of the season. It's short and one major injury can kill a team.
The Portis injury significantly weakened my spot here, but since RIFC uses the antiquated waiver system having a weak week 1 may not be the worst thing in the world.
I don't think it is antiquated. I believe it is to help the weaker teams and give everyone a shot to win the league. If a bad draft means your team sucks all year, you might find some disinterested managers after about week 6. I do think there are different waiver wire rules we could use instead of the current one, but antiquated isn't the adjective I would have chosen.
...but with some people making the horrific strategy move of RBRBRB that was all that was left.
I am guessing that someone has adjusted from their past draft strategy: Post 2, first paragraph
I certainly enjoy being in a league with Culdeus. He is active, posts a strong opinion, and I believe I have become more knowledge about fantasy football and a better manager having to play against him the last couple of years. I just think his comments are a trip sometimes. =)
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| | | 153 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:13
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When MC posted in another thread how much he liked Cadillac Williams this year, I had to gulp.
I had flashbacks to Travis Henry two years ago!
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| | | 154 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 407331722
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:23
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Just want to make sure everybody catches the announcement...
The following set of changes will take effect tomorrow, Sunday, August 20. The exact time the changes will take effect is not known because it will be done when I can maxmize my time to catch any bugs/errors that may have been missed in testing.
You will know the changes have taken effect when the version number at the bottom of each On the Clock section reads "Version: 1.04.008 (2006-08-20)."
Changes...
"Keeper Entry" will now be available along side "Start Draft" for league admin's whose leagues have been designated as Keeper Leagues. Keeper Entry will "start" the draft for the admin only and allow the admin to enter keepers for every manager in the draft. The time limit and email notifications will be turned off while Keeper Entry is in effect. After Keeper Entry is complete, the admin can click Start Draft to start the draft as normal and the draft will pick up at the end of the Keeper Entry with any time limits and email notifications in place.
"Make Only the First Player Available" will be an option available for managers who have their queue set to Available. This option will allow managers to only have the first player in their queue show up to their designated pickers and the league admin. This can be used to prevent others from seeing who you're looking at for future rounds or any other purpose you may have to hide the rest of your queue. This option is not available/in effect when your queue is set to Unavailable. NOTE: The default setting is to have All Players show up to keep the system functioning as it is currently.
"Make Free-Form Entry Available" will be an option available for managers who have their queue set to Available. This option will display the "Use Search" link to a manager's designated pickers if the manager's queue contains players. If the manager's queue is empty, this option will display the free-form entry field (search field) automatically to a manager's designated pickers. NOTE: The default setting is to have Free-Form Entry Unavailable to keep the system functioning as it is currently.
E-mails will not be sent to designated pickers if the next manager on the clock has their queue set to Unavailable or has their queue available, but no players in the queue and Free-Form Entry set to Unavailable. This prevents designated pickers from getting an e-mail when there is no possible action for them to take when they visit their league's draft home.
As always, if you experience any problems after these changes take effect, please use the Feedback Form to contact me.
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| | | 155 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:27
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as a followup to TB in the first part of [152}:
Not only did I start QB-RB-WR last year, but the QB was Peyton Manning, who I subesquently swapped to Priest Holmes just in time for Priest to get injured for the rest of the season. And the WR was Andre Johnson, who was pretty much a complete bust. The RB was Westbrook, who worked out well - although he was injured for the playoffs.
I think it's likely that my success last year had little to do with my first three picks. The draft-based keys were more likely Gates (round 4), Larry Johnson (6), and Bulluck-McGee-Vilma in 7-8-11.
So I'm not about to dismiss Doug's chances at all. There are a multitude of viable ways to skin this cat. Sometimes, I think there is a lot of value to be gained in going against the trend.
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| | | 156 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:29
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KKB[154] - thanks for such speedy implementation. The queue-related enhancements will be most helpful.
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| | | 157 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 22:56
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KKB- You are the man. I would still like to see auto-select become an available option in the future. On a different subject, do you have the ability to track league scoring? We have two 18-team survivor leagues. Ten players per team, draft and forget, no set line-ups. We score the top QB, top RB, top WR/TE, top Kicker, and top three RB/WR/TE weekly. Lowest team is out. Highest team gets immunity for one week. I ask because we have an excel file we set up and then manually score it each week. Slow process and pain in the butt. I know we are willing to pay to have someone else do the scoring for us. I haven't set up the excel file for this year, but I have last years I could email it to you if you wanted to look at it and see what you could do. Here is the thread to our scoring rules: Survivor rules
My current plan was to set the sheet up with all of the scoring rules and then beg someone like you, RSF, or Guru to make it where it pulls the data from the web and populates the file. I obviously don't know how to do that or how feasible it is. But, if there is a way that you can track scoring in this format, maybe survivor leagues on Kafenatid become the new rage.
Guru- I noticed both you and MC's won championships in spite of your first three rounds. Late round drafting, trades, and waiver wire/free agents can play a big part in this league. I just looked at MC's first draft and the only solid players he drafted were Gonzo and Gates in the 3rd and 18th. He had a couple other decent players, but rounds 1, 2, 5, 6, 9, 11, 14, and 17 didn't contribute much to the cause. Taxman had an amazing draft that year and Challenger took a different approach and came out pretty solid. I like the approach Doug has taken and think he is going to be one of the highest scorers depending on how well he completes the rest of his offense.
I have decided that the single largest predictor of playoff qualification is to draft the players that are going to score the most points by position. I have adjusted my drafting strategy to go for those guys. I want to thank Ira and Culdeus for helping me figure it out. =)
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| | | 158 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 23:13
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Well, I wondered when someone would call me on that. I'm planning on writing an article that's somewhat in the vein of "The Perfect Draft" for RIFC scoring at some point during this.
I came across FBG about 4 years back. This was when Ultimate Football was crumbling as an empire and I began getting into H2H leagues as they became more mainstream and better than just Yahoo.
That RIFC draft was the very first draft I ever did using the dominator and following their ideas. Above and all was the Stud RB theory which predicated on the 3RB model. However, looking back on it in my haste I do think this model was based around a 2RB + Flex league not a pure 2RB league.
I was using the RIFC as sort of an uber mock draft at that time as it was for no money and today I still use it like that.
In the two years following that I picked up alot of stuff follwing the Pool and ran lots of statistics on this format which is strange. A 14 person league is extremely rare. You don't see many people talk about it. 12 is the gold standard and probably the next biggest size is 10 and then 16. 14 is very odd. And basically I found with 14 with no flex mandates some pretty cut and dry drafting.
I think there are a few things that you have to have in this system to succeed. You have to get 2RBs in the top 20 somehow, you need to find a 4th round + pick to end up in the top 25 overall and really monitor the IDP wire.
I watched AAA2 last year like a hawk and tracked everyone's movement on the wire. Teams by week 3 had turned over nearly half their drafted roster. Why? Primarily because their backups washed out and because their IDPs totally washed out. So you spend all that draft and all those words writing up how you got the next great thing and then dump half of them 3 weeks in. Amazing.
I think when you take a look back it's primarily because of the 14 person and the starting roster format that this takes place. It's confusing, It's odd, and it's hard for people to grasp. 14X2=28 and 14x3=42. That means for the most part every single reasonable starting RB will be gone and then 8 more. The thing is there are maybe 20 decent WRs too. But 42 will start each and every week. But then there's the QBs. 14 doesn't seem like alot, but everyone has to have a backup. Or two.
Then you go and look at IDPs. Yes, there are more now and yes, there is the McGee which people LOVE to throw at me every year as the "see FBG can't see this guy coming" sigh. KR/PR points are noise in this system. You can lay the hammer down without it and I proved that last year. However, you take a look at the separation between 1 and 40 in LBs and it isn't that big. And then there's the fact that LBs come out of nowhere to rattle the top 20.
So when I say Doug is dead (which he is) it's based on the fact that that he's left such a massive hole in platoon and backup RB/WR. I understand Welker is a PR/KR guy. I get it. You just don't make up ground on people with the Stud LB theory. It just can't happen.
Now keep in mind I chose to rag on Fugazi last year and the guy made the playoffs. This was in no small part due to his uncanny ability to wake up on Monday after being AWOL all weekend and pluck the new hot thing (FWP for one) in the late rounds.
What is clear is the separation from 1-42 WR and 1-28RB is much bigger than 1-30LB. There will be LBs that come out of nowhere into the top 20 and there won't be undrafted WRs/Rbs slip into the top 20.
This is why I just don't see how Doug has a chance. He could hit on some hail maries (is that a word?) but I doubt it. I think McGahee busts this year and Jones in a Martz led offense is a 800/8 RB. And tying the RB to the WR on a crappy team is gonna get you as far as carrying H2O2 in a water bottle on AmericanAirlines.
Now watch him take this thing down. The ones I rag the hardest always do.
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| | | 159 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 23:36
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Now watch him take this thing down. The ones I rag the hardest always do. - LMAO
Great post Culdeus. I appreciate getting your perspective and I agree with a lot of what you are saying. The two things I would add:
1) You have to incorporate the return yardage because it is part of our scoring and 2 years of hard data doesn't lie. Dante Hall would be an undrafted receiver if we didn't have that scoring, but he is a top 20 guy because we do have it.
2) You are correct that the difference from the top WR and RB to the 28th RB and 42 WR is much larger than from the top LB to the 42 LB. But, the difference from the 21st WR to the 50th WR is less than from the top LB to the 42 LB. 20 WR were gone before we were done with the 4th round. There has to be a time where you shift from getting the marginally better WR to the top IDP. That is a key philosophy to VBD.
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| | | 160 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 407331722
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 01:10
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TB, the auto-pick idea is still floating around, but I haven't fully assessed what will be affected if/when it gets implemented. I'll need to have that assessment in place before I start.
As for the Survivor game, I used to offer games and took them down because they require too much time to run. I won't likely offer them again, in any form, in the future because of this.
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| | | 161 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 01:59
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I always enjoyed your games. I don't know how hard this would be to set up. Instead of having the league or game on your site, maybe we can pay you to set up something like the TSNP calculator, but for our scoring rules. We will have exactly 180 players per league and most of those in both leagues will be the same players. QBs, RBs, WRs, TEs, and Ks. No defenses, no special team points, and no IDP. We have very basic scoring:
-Passing Yards 1 point for every 25 yards
3 point bonus for 300 yards
-Rushing Yards 1 point for every 10 yards
3 point bonus for 100 yards
-Receiving Yards 1 point for every 10 yards
WR and RB get 3 point bonus for 100 yards
TE get 3 point bonus for 75 yards
-Receptions for RB and WR are 0.5 points each
-Receptions for TE are 1.0 points each
-Passing, Rushing, and Receiving TD's are worth 6 points
-Passing, Rushing, and Receiving extra points are worth 2 points each
INTs are -2
Fumbles lost are -2
I know this is a busy time of the year for you, but once I get this years sheet set up, maybe I can send it to you, if you are willing to take a peek and see what you can do.
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| | | 162 | The Beezer
ID: 265172712
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 08:35
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I went AWOL from the computer after 2pm yesterday, figuring there was no way that 14 picks would get made by the time I got up this morning. Oh ye of little faith, eh? My apologies for holding things up.
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| | | 163 | The Beezer
ID: 265172712
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 08:42
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Hubble, I concur that the Jones/Benson pickup looked pretty sharp from here. Neither of those guys would have made it back to you if you'd only taken one, and there would have been too much risk having either of them alone. That was the only reasonable move after not taking an RB at 2/3 IMO.
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| | | 164 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 09:22
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Not totally sure about that. TJ has slipped really far in a couple drafts I've seen. A huge portion of people are totally writing him off. I give that move my stamp of approval, however.
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| | | 165 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 09:38
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I watched the Bears/Chargers preseason game last night (DVR). I think you could slip just about any back into that scheme and they are going to bulldoze for 1000+ yards over the season.
I am glad I waited until last night to watch the game or I would have been wanting to draft the Chicago defense way too early. They looked good. Solid hits, good tackling, and pressure on the QB. Urlacher had a heck of a game too. That early int and return for TD was sweet.
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| | | 166 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 11:17
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Just loged in, i will pick within 15 minutes
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| | | 167 | The Beezer
ID: 265172712
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 11:52
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My apologies on screwing up the Rationale order - forgot to insert a placeholder before my 6.09 entry. I guess it won't hurt things too much since that thread will end at 6.14 anyway so it could be worse.
I will be away for a few hours, so I have left a queue with Hubble, GL, and Guru for my next pick only. I'll get my rationale in later as I won't have it with me until late tonight. Thanks.
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| | | 170 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 13:31
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I'm going out for a bit. I'll be back in a few hours. I have a short queue, and if it's depleted, I'll be back to pick before my time is up.
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| | | 173 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 16:33
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youngroman - "Glenn is one half of the best receiver duo in the NFL."
That is quite a claim given the Cardinals duo...
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| | | 174 | The Beezer
ID: 265172712
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 16:54
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Or the Colts. Still a good pick though.
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| | | 176 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 17:53
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Good thing nobody wanted Polamalu because I only had time to make a 1-man queue and he was it!
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| | | 177 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:13
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Guru just sent you a trade offer via e-mail for your round 10 pick if you have any interest.
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| | | 178 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:14
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I've got a couple of competing distractions right at this moment, but I'll try to pick within an hour.
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| | | 179 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:25
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NP take your time
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| | | 180 | youngroman
ID: 43441182
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:26
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I know that there are dynamic duos out there in Indy and Arizona, but I read that sentence twice in the last 2 weeks and thought that I have to include it in my rationale. that way the pick looks even better.
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| | | 181 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 407331722
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 18:35
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TB, send me the spreadsheet when you've got it and we'll see what we can work out.
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| | | 182 | leggestand
ID: 426542419
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 19:12
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Arg, nice timing Guru. I was torn between G Jones and Barlow, but all the news I was reading about Barlow going to the Jets was being downplayed, so, I went with who I knew would get at least a couple starts (Fred Taylor = at least 3 starts for a backup) seeing that Gore would get the ball most of the time, with minimal injury risk, in SF.
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| | | 183 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 19:27
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I was in the process of typing up my rationale for the pick. (I almost always draft the rationale before I enter the pick, because on more than one occasion, I've found my reasonaing to be less than compelling.) I had the golf tournament on TV in the background, and overheard the news on Barlow. At the same time, my wife handed me some chicken to start barbecuing. So those were my principal "distractions".
I still almost passed on Barlow. I mean, after all, when has Barlow ever fulfilled expectations? However, needing a backup RB, and realizing that he'd probably have been picked several rounds ago if the news had been out since the start of the draft, I figured I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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| | | 184 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Sun, Aug 20, 2006, 22:28
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Sigh. Looks like Guru was the beneficiary of timing this time around.
Gotta love slow drats. And it wasn't like he particularly needed it either.
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| | | 188 | Hubble
ID: 32237211
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 09:56
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Just logged in... will pick shortly
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| | | 193 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 11:38
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I'll be away for an hour and have left a three player queue with Hubble, GL, and Guru.
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| | | 194 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 11:44
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[154] I see that the queue updates haven't been implented yet.
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| | | 195 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 11:47
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Hmm.... they have for me... caching issue?
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| | | 196 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 11:51
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I just updated the rationales. Based on a quick scan, the following are the only ones still in arrears (thru 9.03):
culdeus:
5.07 Rhodes
6.08 Kennison
7.07 Bledsoe
8.08 Brooks
s r:
7.14 Witten
8.01 Bears
Goatlocker:
8.13 Stallworth
9.02 Williams
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| | | 197 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 11:55
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[195] Never mind, I see them once I make the queue available.
I was also looking for the version indicator at the bottom to have a date of 2006-8-20 (per KKB). I guess he actually did it a day early!
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| | | 198 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 11:59
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I'm going to be out for the day but want to see how things develop before deciding who to take... TB, legge, and Guru have my phone #.
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| | | 199 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 12:03
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I'll be out (golfing + libations) from about 4pm-9pm. Based on our pace, there would seem to be a good chance that I'll be picking before then, but just in case, I'll try to set a queue. Who can handle it, in that instance?
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| | | 200 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 12:04
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Guru. I'll be around all those hours.
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| | | 201 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 12:05
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Speaking of pace, we're now on pace to complete the draft on 8/28, well ahead of "schedule". I think this is the zippiest draft I've been in yet. Thanks to everyone for your diligence and effective use of queues.
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| | | 202 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 12:20
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All,
If my queue is up and Available, please make the pick.
I'm keeping players in my queue most of the time and managing availability based on what I'm doing.
Will probably be tonite before I can get caught up on Rationales.
Sorry
Cliff
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| | | 203 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 12:29
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Guru, RE 197
The version was completed on 08/19, but wasn't pushed live until 08/20. That's why the version number will show 2006-08-19 even though the changes were seen on 08/20.
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| | | 204 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 12:43
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Will work on my Rationals tonight as well... Sorry about the inconvenience.
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| | | 205 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 14:05
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If anyone picking 11.05-11.10 is interested in swapping 11th and 12th round picks (I have 11.11 and 12.04), shoot me an email before 3:45pm.
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| | | 206 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 15:29
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Not sure if my email got through - I'm up for a trade Guru if you're still offering. I'll pick by 4pm if I haven't heard anything.
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| | | 207 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 15:51
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No, I didn't get your email (yet). But I will do that trade. I'll process it momentarily.
I give Beezer 11.11 and 12.04
I get 11.06 and 12.09
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| | | 208 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 15:57
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Trade processed. Thanks.
Might have been unnecessary, but I decided Pacman was my top choice, and there was at least one intervening picker who I thought might be taking him.
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| | | 209 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 15:59
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I debated on PacMan for a LONG time this morning. What finally swayed my decision to not take him was that he is supposedly not getting punt returns this year. If he was getting punt returns, I would of definitely taken him at 11.03.
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| | | 210 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 15:59
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BTW, your email just came through. One hour delay. Odd.
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| | | 211 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 16:33
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Strange. I'll let you know in 2 picks if it was a good trade or not.
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| | | 212 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 16:34
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Culdeus taking LJ Smith at 11.07 not only hurt but also surprised me- sorry to take the time but I really didn't have or think I'd need a back up there.
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| | | 213 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 17:19
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Good trade. :)
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| | | 214 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 17:27
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The Beezer gets the "Best Rationales" award via his use of in-action pictures to go with his rationales - much cooler than using those doofus-looking mug shots that I've seen used ;-)
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| | | 215 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 17:32
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Who are you calling a dufus!
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| | | 216 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 17:38
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Just talked to Doug...he is going to call me with a pick in about 45 minutes.
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| | | 217 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 17:42
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Well, I'm leaving in about 20 to go out for a few hours. I'll leave a queue and TB can make the picks for me if that's cool.
legge, I have you set as a designated picker, but if you don't mind, I'll just speak to TB on the phone for confirmation of my picks. He's got my phone number and my account login info.
Thanks. Oh, and I don't have rationales, so a placeholder would be appreciated.
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| | | 218 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 17:56
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Dang.
Doesn't do much good to set a queue and make it available if you don't designate any Designated Pickers.
Issue corrected.
Cliff
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| | | 225 | culdeus
ID: 376401719
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 18:39
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Where are my pics GB?
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| | | 226 | leggestand
ID: 587262117
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 18:42
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I think I may have deleted them...my bad. I was wondering what was in between each rationale because it wasn't showing up and I just deleted it. Don't worry though, I am just an idiot.
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| | | 227 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 20:24
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I have a queue from s_R but I'm hesitant to use it simply because I never heard from him otherwise.
Guru, et al: does protocol require me to just go ahead and let the picks rip for him?
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| | | 228 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 20:27
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Well, nevermind. He appears to have picked himself.
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| | | 229 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 20:31
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MC: I made the picks from s_R's queue. My attitude is that if you make your queue available, - especially without any instructions - you intend it to be used.
I also just picked from your queue, before seeing your message in [217]. If you want to retract that pick, let us know quickly (either directly or via TB, I guess).
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| | | 230 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 20:33
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That pick is fine by me, sir!
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| | | 231 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 21:06
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Nice picture for Marion Barber :)
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| | | 232 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 22:10
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Beezer[213] - Cato June would not have made it back to you in round 12. He was at the top of my list for round 12.
Re Pacman - I know that Pacman is supposedly not returning punts this year, which I assumed was the only reason he had lasted this long. Of course, that status can change over the course of the season. But even with zero PR yards, I thought that he had reached a point where he could be the best value at DB - assuming he still returns kickoffs. At this stage, I thought it was a good risk/reward.
I was most worried about TB taking him just ahead of me. He had already taken Dante Hall and Terrence McGee, and was clearly evaluating players in the context of return yardage potential. But I actually thought that anyone could be picking him at any time. (Well, anyone but culdeus!)
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| | | 233 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 22:12
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youngroman usually leaves a queue, but I see it is currently empty. Since he lives in Europe, we may be done for the night - although you never know.
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| | | 234 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 21, 2006, 22:15
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232 - glad to hear it. I was getting concerned that my "pics" were getting more praise than my "picks". :)
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| | | 236 | youngroman
ID: 43441182
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 04:49
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sorry guys, forgot to activate my queue.
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| | | 239 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 11:11
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OK all,
A real quick idea of what is up.
My new cardiologist did a stress test a week ago yesterday.
He said it is hard to tell what he is seeing, but doesn't like it.
Looks like part of the heart is getting no blood.
I go in for an angiagram and whatever is required on Fri.
Hopefully if all goes well, will be back sometime Fri nite.
Will leave a long queue and plenty of DPs.
If things look any different later in the week, will try to find somebody to complete the draft.
Dang, I'm becoming a hazard to drafts this year.
Will figure it out one way or another.
Doing all the workups for surgery now.
And of course, my brains are mush once again.
Cliff
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| | | 240 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 11:17
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Cliff, good luck and I hope everything goes well. Feel free to get in touch with me if you need anything, be it for fantasy football or otherwise.
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| | | 241 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 11:30
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Good luck, GL. Hopefully this is much ado about nothing.
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| | | 242 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 11:43
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Dave,
That is what I am hoping.
Last one went real easy and was in and out of the operating room just fine.
Cliff
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| | | 243 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 11:56
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Wow! and here I was starting to get "antsy" about how long it can "sometimes" takes between pics, and GoatLocker is there to bring me back down to earth. We all got lives eh?
Hope everything goes well GoatLocker.
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| | | 244 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 13:07
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GL- based on my personnal experience it could very well sound much worse than it is- my best friend is a very top cardiologist and you would be amazed how little these guys can tell without an angiogram- (which is a painless, safe and relatively quick procedure). If they find a blockage they can usually fix it right then with a stent- used to be if you had multiple blockages they opted for bypass surgery which is a big deal but now they have gotten so good with stents they are putting in up to 3. (Blockages are the primary cause of parts of your heart not getting enough blood)
I know anything to do with the heart is scary but having experienced the problem I know that the perception is a lot worse than the reality. Hang in there.
E-mail me if you have questions. The worst part is hanging around intensive care with all those damn tubes in you and they won't let you get up to use the men's room.
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| | | 246 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 16:43
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Hope everything turns out fine GoatLocker.
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| | | 248 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 18:33
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Best of luck GL.
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| | | 251 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 22:33
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Well, I got my rationale up anyway. Good timing on that, Guru.
Are you going to be able to pick for him, too?
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| | | 252 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 22:45
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His queue is empty.
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| | | 253 | culdeus
ID: 376401719
Tue, Aug 22, 2006, 23:00
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Yikes. As if my team wasn't shaky enough the three way trade puts me middle of the pack at best.
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| | | 254 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 02:39
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Was offline all day and couldn't leave a queue that far in advance... too many picks (20?) in between (and didn't realize I'd be gone all day). Left a 1-man queue for round 14... will check in AM and if I need to will research an alternate selection. Gonna get some sleep now.
Expect I'll be out all day again tomorrow so if it makes it back to me in round 15, it'll likely get held up again until I get back. Also, if Mount St. Helens erupts tomorrow you might want to start looking for a replacement owner for my squad. ;-p
GL, stay strong... I'll see if I can scare up a virgin to toss into the volcano as a sacrifice on your behalf. Best wishes.
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| | | 255 | youngroman
ID: 43441182
Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 09:29
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I will be away until 6pm ET. I have a, hopefully long enough, queue in place if it gets back to me that fast.
GL - I hope it turns out to be nothing or nothing serious. All the best.
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| | | 258 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 12:21
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I'm heading out... if things move quick today someone can always try calling me for my pick, though I'm not certain what sort of coverage I'll have.
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| | | 260 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 19:46
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Crap. I was planning to take Pittman.
Back to the drawing board...
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| | | 261 | youngroman
ID: 43441182
Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 20:04
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Guru - that was one of the reasons why I picked him now. I did a quick check and I only see Hubble with the CHI-handcuff. and that with 50 RBs taken. is this good drafting of the others or poor drafting by ourselfs?
I left a queue for my next pick, but it may get depleted. I'll be back at 4am ET.
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| | | 262 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:46
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I left a queue for my next pick, too. I doubt it gets back to me tonight, but please feel free to pick for me when it comes up.
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| | | 263 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Wed, Aug 23, 2006, 21:55
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I like how youngroman essentially admits to being a sneak. Heh.
It's just fantasy football drafting. That's the nature of the beast.
I have a one man queue set up. I will be online first thing tomorrow (around 7 Eastern Time) so I can advance things then if we get stuck on me.
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| | | 268 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 09:12
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Delay alert - the player I plan to pick is not listed in the kafenatid database. In the past, there has been a way to override the listed players and enter one free-form, but I have not been presented with that option (that I can find, at least).
I've emailed KKB, but if I don't hear from him soon, I'll find a workaround and move the draft forward.
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| | | 271 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 09:46
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Guru, RE 268. The new system (as of baseball 2006) requires players to be in the database in order to be selected. It's the only way to keep track of who has been selected now. Your player has been added, so feel free to select him for your team.
Everyone, please be sure to check that the players you're looking at are in the database ahead of time. I got every team's roster before the preseason started and have kept up with most transactions, but I'm sure I've missed a few. Send me the player request and I'll add him ASAP.
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| | | 273 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 09:51
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All fixed. Moving on...
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| | | 274 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 10:00
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Thanks to KKB for the quick fix.
As a fallback, I was prepared to insert James Mungro as my pick, and then replace him later when Sims was added. If anyone else gets into a similar bind, feel free to use Mungro as a placeholder. Then use the feedback link at the bottom of the kafenatid site to request the missing player. I can make the substitution when the player becomes available.
Mungro seems like a safe option for this, since he was jsut announced as being out for the season.
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| | | 276 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 10:41
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I just updated rationales for rounds 7-12. It looks like the only ones missing are L.J. Smith (11.07) and Ryan Moats (12.08) from culdeus.
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| | | 277 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:38
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I haven't received the last few designated picker email notices in several drafts that I'm involved in this morning. I just heard from culdeus that he also didn't get his notice this morning. So I"m guessing that there is some sort of constipation on the kafenatid outgoing mail server.
So, until the supposed backlog is unleashed, it would be a good idea to keep checking in directly at kafenatid to monitor progress.
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| | | 278 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 12:56
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Guru, just tried to send you the following, but it got blocked as well...
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I know SpamCop has been blocking your emails to me and I've got my web host working on it. Not sure about the others, but it may be a similar situation.
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I've got my web host working on the SpamCop issue, but if others know of other services they may be part of, just let me know and I'll see what I can do. In general, I've been sending and receiving e-mail with no problems today, so I'm not sure it's a server issue as much as it may be a spam block issue or something like that.
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| | | 279 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:05
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Interesting. I didn't know my pop server used the spam cop filter. It certainly doesn't block much real spam!
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| | | 280 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:25
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Not my day...
I tried to change my primary email address at kafenatid, and for some reason it then decided to deactivate my account! So for the moment, I can follow the draft, but not login or participate.
KKB has been alerted...
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| | | 281 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 13:47
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Wouldn't it suck if hackers planned and executed coordinated simultaneous attacks on the most popular fantasy sports websites, in an effort to merely annoy every man in America rather than to shut down our economy or create chaos?
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| | | 282 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:13
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If we weren't so distracted by fantasy football this time of year, perhaps it would actually boost productivity and the economy.
Of course, we wouldn't exactly be likely to just "accept" the fact we couldn't access fantasy websites and quietly/sheepishly go back to work... so maybe not after all.
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| | | 283 | Hubble
ID: 56213211
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 14:20
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RE 282: lol, Terrorist don't target other terrorist do they?
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| | | 285 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:22
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I'm back into kafenatid now. Just made a DP for AG.
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| | | 286 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 15:36
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I wondered when Porter would go. Homer. ;)
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| | | 288 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 17:27
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My rationale for Ben Troupe is at home, my apologies.
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| | | 290 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 18:54
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I left a one man queue - I'm fairly confident I'll get him - if not, back in 2 hours.
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| | | 292 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:39
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s_R only had one name left in his queue, so we're stuck halfway through the turn.
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| | | 293 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Thu, Aug 24, 2006, 21:55
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I've left a 2 man queue and will be bedding down shortly.
Hopefully s_R actually wanted Price, because I saw the name there and hit "select".
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| | | 296 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 06:41
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I hate to question another team's draft, but did Doug intend to make his last two picks the way he did, or did he leave a queue for one round only that ended up getting used twice? Since Guru hasn't picked yet, I thought if there has been a problem it should be fixed now before it affects other picks.
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| | | 298 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 07:52
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re [296]
I don't see anything wrong with either of Doug's last 2 picks. I'd take either of those guys on my team.
By the time we're done drafting 24 rounds of players, there ought to be virtually nothing left, especially in the RB pool.
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| | | 299 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 08:21
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Agreed on all counts, just jumped out at me and I thought I'd check.
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| | | 301 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 10:41
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I know I'm behind in rationales... I'm leaving shortly and don't know when I'll be back online for sure (today is a travel day, Sunday will be too). I think phone call is likely the best option for my next picks... I think Guru, TB, and legge all have my number.
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| | | 302 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 10:57
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Make sure you have us as designated pickers. I know that if someone has me as a DP and if their turn comes up and the queue is empty, I click on refuse to quit getting the emails. Only MC and Goatlocker have me as DP right now.
I realize that we now no longer get email notices if the queue is empty or unavailable, but I am sure I cleared out all the names before the change was made.
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| | | 305 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 13:55
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LOL... I think 3 managers (myself included) have drafted Houston LBs with the thought that they are the MLB.
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| | | 306 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 14:37
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Houston is switching to the 4-3 this year. I am pretty sure Ryans is going to beat out Cowart (if it isn't already official) for the MLB position. Greenwood is the weakside backer. He was a solid pick. Top 30 LB drafted 40ish.
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| | | 307 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 14:42
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Wait, now I'm confused.
You're saying who's on first and what's on second? What kind of screwy team is this anyway?
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| | | 308 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:07
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I don't know.
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| | | 309 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:12
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I may be out when my next pick is due - probably away from about 4-8pm ET. Who can serve as my DP? I'll have some special instructions to pass along via email.
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| | | 310 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:13
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I have no life. I am thinking about going to get a haircut.
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| | | 311 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:14
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Is that a yes or no?
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| | | 312 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:17
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That is a yes. I am going to stick around to make a few picks in a couple drafts and then go get a haircut around 3:30. Should be back by 4:30. That is central time.
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| | | 313 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:33
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It's remarkable the pace we are on. We should be done in right around 2 weeks total. That's unbelievable. I'd like to have the same 14 managers again next year, just based on the drafting speed.
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| | | 314 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 15:36
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Can't we trade a couple of them in? Especially the ones that keep taking my players at the top of the draft.
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| | | 315 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 16:30
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OK another problem I want to draft Stephon Davis- FA- RB but he isn't listed- to not hold things up waiting for him to be added I could draft S. Davis (Sammy I think) who is listed and sub Stephon for him later? or I can wait for him to be added- I filled out the form asking the draft site to add him?
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| | | 316 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 16:33
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Or anyone who can can post the pick for me when he is added.
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| | | 317 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 16:39
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See post #274. Use Mungro as the placeholder, but you can draft Davis.
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| | | 318 | Valkyrie
ID: 25110210
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 16:44
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Thanks TB I will pick Mungro as a stand in for Stephon davis
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| | | 319 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:29
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I guess TB didn't want to stick around and makle his pick? Hopefully the barber doesn't slip and sever his jugular vein and then we wind up holding the draft up all 6 hours only to find out he's dead anyway.
Jeez.
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| | | 320 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:34
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I figured I missed him and really wanted to get my haircut today and not tomorrow.
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| | | 321 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:42
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Nice pick. Engram could be the best WR in Seattle this year if things shake out your way. Of course, the Seahawks will suck if that's the case, but you won't mind, will you?
Engram could be one of those guys we're talking about in 8 weeks when we question if you got ahold of a "Sports Almanac" from your future self ala Biff Tannen.
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| | | 322 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 17:44
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LOL. You are so crazy.
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| | | 323 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:00
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Hmm, when I read that post, I heard it in my head, and it sounded like you were flirting with me.
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| | | 324 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:06
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Doug left me as a DP, but no names in queue. It will let me type someone in. You think he wants Joe Montana? I called him but had to leave a message.
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| | | 325 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 18:09
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Did you pick for Guru, too?
If so, where's the placeholder? You could put one up for Guru and Doug so I can at least post mine.
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| | | 327 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:18
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Wow, reading a bunch of rationales from culdeus at once is like giving myself accupuncture in my eyeballs.
What a scream.
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| | | 329 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:20
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I don't know why you put in both threads, but I think I updated all in one thread and your poost popped back up again.
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| | | 330 | leggestand
ID: 587262117
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:20
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I meant to only put it here. I think I bombed the other posts that wer ein the wrong place.
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| | | 331 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:22
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You can delete both of these in here while I go update the first to in the older rationale thread. The rest are updated. I was just about to be the rationale police and see where we were at after updating all the others in this thread. Looks like maybe only Doug is behind.
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| | | 332 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 19:48
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I just went back through all the rationales and there are only a couple missing through round 16:
Culdeus
7.07 Drew Bledsoe QB DAL
Doug
15.12 Terrell Suggs, DL, BAL
16.03 Kellen Winslow TE CLE
Goatlocker
16.13 Chad Jackson WR NWE
Hubble
16.14 Greg Jennings WR GNB
There are a few round 17 missing as well, but those are fairly recent picks.
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| | | 333 | leggestand
ID: 587262117
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 20:00
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Anyone around to be a dp for me tomorrow and Sunday?
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| | | 336 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 20:02
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RE 333: I should be "most" of those days.
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| | | 337 | leggestand
ID: 587262117
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 20:06
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Thanks IAC, I will be sending you (and Guru) a 4 round queue at some point tonight to be used through Sunday afternoon, if neccessary.
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| | | 338 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 21:07
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Thanks TB for getting all those placeholders in there - I thought we were going to lose it there for a minute, and I apparently had the same issue as everyone before me and didn't have time to insert decent placeholders. Much appreciated.
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| | | 340 | leggestand
ID: 587262117
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 21:45
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IAC, I am going to send the queue to you and Guru via email...I think it will be too complicated through kafenatid.
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| | | 341 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 21:55
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I'm back, a bit later than expected.
I may be out for most of tomorrow afternoon, so my ability to handle queue duties may be limited. Will do my best, as available. Ditto for a good bit of Sunday. If you are relying on me to make picks for you, it would be a good idea to have another lined up as well.
We've been making excellent time, so if things bog down a bit this weekend, it's no big deal.
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| | | 342 | leggestand
ID: 587262117
Fri, Aug 25, 2006, 21:59
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Queue sent to Guru and IAC, IAC is probably the easiest guy to make my picks seeing how he picks adjacent to me, so, no big deal if you don't put any of my picks in, Guru.
The queue is 22 people long, and will get me through at least 2 rounds if not more.
If worse comes to worse, Doug has my cell phone and can give me a call if I am needed.
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| | | 343 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 10:38
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OK All,
Updated Status.
And Really good news.
Was too drugged and groggy last nite to post this.
I'm sore and will be for a few days.
Heck of a spot where they go in at.
Anyway, was a false positive from the Stress Test.
All looks good.
In fact, the 60% blockage they saw in 2001 is gone.
So, good flow throughout the heart and no issues.
That is great news.
Now if they can just figure the constant tiredness out, I should be good to go.
Thanks to all for the help with the drafts and the prayers and well wishes.
I sure am a believer that the prayers work.
Cliff
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| | | 344 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 10:39
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And I'll get my rationales caught up shortly.
Cliff
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| | | 345 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 11:05
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Great to hear, Cliff!
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| | | 346 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 11:13
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I'll be heading out shortly and will be back around 4:30 EDT. I have left a 3 man queue with Hubble, Guru, GL, and TB as designated pickers.
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| | | 347 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 12:11
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I have a very bad news and i'm most sorry about it. I worked 18 hours yesterday, i forgot my sheet at the office, i just woke up and i have a T time in 1 hour (30 minute drive). So i might only do my pick when i come back... if i have a brain fart in the next 10 minute, i might put up a small Q. If it comes to be my pick before 2pm, feel free to skip me (if that is possible) don't wait the full 6 hours.
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| | | 348 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 12:58
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Great news GL, glad to hear it wasn't anything bad.
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| | | 350 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 15:03
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RE 347: FYI - We've got Legge's Queue and I'll be arround too, so once you pick, we should be able to get a few in... IF GL is arround of course.
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| | | 351 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 15:09
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I'm here and will check off and on.
Pretty well down flat on my back in bed, but peeking every so often.
Cliff
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| | | 352 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 15:13
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I really doubt Hubble picks for at least two more hours. I tried to shoot him a trade email before he left so we could keep this going. My queue has been set up since the draft started, so if it gets to me would appreciate if someone picked for me.
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| | | 356 | Doug @ Whedby Island
ID: 67462618
Sat, Aug 26, 2006, 19:58
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Just got a few mins here... and I might not be online for 24 hours or so (at which point I should be getting home, pending air travel delays). So I left a moderate queue as best I could construct off top of head which hopefully will last through my next 2 picks.
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| | | 357 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 12:00
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Excuse my ignorance... but, can I take it, that we are having a 2 games per/week matchup, and that the schedule that is currently posted in Fanball's website Here to the one we'll use for the regular season?
Once again... sorry if this question has already been answered.
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| | | 358 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:06
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Three people in a row left me as DP, so that was a pretty fast turn at the bottom of the draft. I won't put placeholders until it's my turn to post one in case any of the other people want to post their own rationale.
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| | | 359 | Motley Crue
ID: 2192327
Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:13
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I want to post mine, but I guess s_R isn't here.
You were too quick there, Flash. I was in the middle of putting my list together. That's OK, though. I suppose my guys are obscure enough that they'll hang around awhile.
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| | | 360 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:20
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Will try to get caught up on Rationales shortly.
Can't set up for too long at a pop without going flat.
It's tough when they stick ya in the groin :)
Cliff
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| | | 361 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:21
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I tried to call and you ignored me. That was the penalty you had to pay for looking at caller ID and brushing me off. ;)
Seriously, you have been pretty good at letting me know when to pick or not pick. Owens was a nice grab this late in the draft. My son and I were talking about him last night during the game. I am a little concerned with the Jax passing attack or their lack of one. Owens seems like he has the nod for kick returns, though.
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| | | 363 | leggestand
ID: 187482712
Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 13:48
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I'm back in town, so, I don't need my dp's to make anymore selections for me. IAC, thanks for getting my picks in while I was gone. I will get caught up on my rationales later tonight.
Cliff, I am glad to hear the good news.
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| | | 369 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Sun, Aug 27, 2006, 21:45
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Just got home. Have to head to work for a bit but will get caught up on rationales later tonight. Thanks again to anyone who helped out while I've been gone... esp. TB and legge!
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| | | 374 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 10:58
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IAC[357] - yes doubleheaders, and the schedule is as currently listed.
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| | | 375 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:06
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I'm willing to swap picks for rounds 23-24 if anyone is interested. I have picks 23.11 and 24.04.
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| | | 377 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:52
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Player NOT in OTC's Database:
My selection for 23.04:
23.04 Maurice Jones-Drew, RB, JAC
Should I wait for KKB to add, or use a [placeholder player]. If so... who?
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| | | 378 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:54
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I'll just put Mungro in your slot, and replace later.
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| | | 379 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:55
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Just add any of the offensive lineman, since they have no value in our league.
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| | | 380 | Athletics Guy
ID: 167191017
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:56
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n/m
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| | | 381 | Trip
Leader
ID: 13961611
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:56
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He is listed as just Maurice Drew
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| | | 382 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:57
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Actually, I see that he's already there, just listed as Maurice Drew.
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| | | 383 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 11:57
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IAC - Maurice Jones-Drew is listed as Maurice Drew on OTC
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| | | 384 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 12:02
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Hehe... anybody else?
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| | | 385 | Hubble
ID: 56213211
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 12:28
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I just found out that he is listed as Maurice Drew!
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| | | 386 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 12:56
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Sorry to interupt. I'm the AA co-comish and I'm trying to set up our waver wire rules.
I'm reading the 2005 rules and at the bottom of page 1 it says under Dropped Player
"During the preseason dropped player, becomes available: 48 hours after player is dropped"
"During the regular season, dropped player becomes available: immediately"
Then at the top of page 2, 5th line down, it reads "Players will immediately go to the waver wire for 48 hours after player is dropped"
Those last 2 lines have me a little confused.
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| | | 387 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 12:58
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Sorry, 2006 rules
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| | | 388 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:03
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FYI guys, Maurice Jones-Drew is listed as Maurice Drew. Just a heads up.
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| | | 389 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:05
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Somehow, I had a feeling that youngroman was going to do that to me again...
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| | | 390 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:13
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youngroman, hopefully you're around now. I just shot off an email to your hotmail account. I'd like to get a reply before making my next pick.
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| | | 391 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:16
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Guru - this time it had nothing to do with you having Droughns. Harrison presented itself just like Drew. with nobody left on the market and an injury-prone Deuce on my team I needed another insurance at the RB position. for all other positions, except QB, there is plenty of playable material left.
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| | | 392 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:37
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Uh, attention. We are now 12 rationales/placeholders behind on the tail end of the rationale thread.
Someone who has a rationale ready in that zone really ought to go throw up some placeholders and insert your rationale. Otherwise we'll end up being way behind before too long.
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| | | 393 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:52
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I vote for youngroman for stud of the day.
Thanks for getting the rationales up to speed, man.
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| | | 395 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 13:57
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Thanks MC, but I'd rather be "stud of the day" on September 10.
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| | | 396 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:13
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[386] - this is always confusing. Those setting are correct.
During the preseason, there is no such thing (in the Fanball/AOL software) as waivers. That's because waivers are available based on ranking-based priorities, and there are no preseason rankings. Therefore, during the preseason, anyone dropped is just held in statis for 48 hours, after which he is released and available first-come, first served.
After the season starts, waivers are applicable. When a player is dropped, he goes on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the waiver period, if he is not claimed, he is technically "dropped" again from waivers to the free agent pool. If we kept the 48 hour period for free agents, there would be a 48 hour lag between the time a player cleared waivers and when he was available to be picked up.
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| | | 397 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:24
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[396] I got it now. Thanks for the explanation, Guru.
Again, sorry for the interruption.
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| | | 399 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:31
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No prob. I'd much rather be "interrupted" in preseason than in midseason when disconnects across leagues are suddenly discovered.
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| | | 400 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:41
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One last question. Once our draft is completed, it's my understanding that all free agents frozen for 48 hours. Then FAs may be pick up, leaguewide.
Do I have that correct?
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| | | 401 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:44
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My spelling and grammar are bad today, but my editing is worse.
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| | | 402 | Hubble
ID: 56213211
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 14:57
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Is it me or Fanball is incredibly slow?
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| | | 403 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 15:04
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In the past, all undrafted players were frozen for at least 48 hours, after which time there would be a one-time, preseason waiver process, in reverse order of the first round of the draft. (This needs to be done manually, via email to the commish). After those are processed, all unclaimed players are released to free agency, first come, first served.
I don't think the preseason waiver period is critical (and it is a bit of a nuisance), but I'll probably do it for the RIFC since precedent has been set.
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| | | 404 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 15:08
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Just popped in from work. Thought I had Alex Smith, TE, Tampa in my queue, not the QB version from SF. If that can be changed, great. If not I didn't bother adding Smith to my roster because I will be dropping him once the 48 hour period is over anyway so might as well leave him as available.
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| | | 405 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 15:30
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Since there has only been one intervening pick, I'll make the Alex Smith switch. If youngroman want to take teh QB version of Alex Smith, I'll gladly make that switch too!
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| | | 406 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 15:35
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[403] Thanks, again.
I'll do it for AA, since as you say, the precedent has been set and we have a few of last year's AAA managers who might be expecting it.
I'm also trying to mirror the RIFC whenever possible.
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| | | 407 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 16:06
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In the past, all undrafted players were frozen for at least 48 hours, after which time there would be a one-time, preseason waiver process, in reverse order of the first round of the draft. --[403]
Guru, is it the reverse of the order in the first round, or the reverse of the order decided by the draft draft? For some reason I thought it was the latter.
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| | | 408 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 16:08
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I think it's the former... that is, part of the strategy (a very small part) in selecting your first round slot is the corresponding waiver priority that you are selecting with that slot. Not stating that definitively, just my impression/assumption/memory.
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| | | 409 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 16:26
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My priority will be second or first so it's not that big a deal. I just had a voice in the back of my head asking me. I can't remember.
I can't pick for myself right now, but if Guru or one of my DP's can, I want Kyle VandenBosch, DL, TEN.
I think he's next up in my queue but if not, that's still who I want.
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| | | 410 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 16:47
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I put a few people as my DPs, got a one-man queue (C. Buckhalter) so please go ahead and make my selection for me after MC's pick gets submitted... I'm headed offline for a bit. Good drafting everyone!
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| | | 413 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 20:18
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[407] At one point, I was thinking it was the reverse of the draft-draft, but as I recall, when I looked it up it was the reverse of the draft.
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| | | 414 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 20:37
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I think in future years we should just have a "league-wide consensus pick draft" in order to determine which players go onto the various 14 squads, and then have a one-round draft where each manager picks an entire squad of players to be their team for the year.
(Please check the reading on your sarcasm meter before casting stones.)
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| | | 415 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Aug 28, 2006, 22:46
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You know, that's an interesting idea. Of course, going last in that draft would kind of negate all the skill in drafting. But it would be interesting just to get a baseline of in-season management and how much it affects league outcomes versus the draft.
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| | | 418 | Doug
ID: 441251914
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:28
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Some of the leagues I'm in try to solve the K and DL issues by mandating that you have 2 of them. Problem is this waters down the value of other positions... although you can always add a RB/WR/TE flex spot, and/or a 2nd QB... although in our league that would stretch things pretty thin. Probably better suited to a 12-team format. Just thinking out loud. I prefer less conventional formats to the same ol' same ol' so I kick these ideas around from time to time. I'm quite happy with our league already though, and am not suggesting we need major changes like this... just sort of ruminating based on the observations people have had w/ respect to DLs this year.
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| | | 419 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 02:32
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The added IDP flex positions already added some new twists to the draft this year, most noteably you drafting some stud LB early and more IDP going earlier. Tweaks are always good and adding a mandatory 2 DL, 2 DB, 2 LB, and 2 flex might just be the next tweak. =)
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| | | 424 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 09:09
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TB/Guru,
I presume you are the ones moving over most of the rationales (if not all of them). I have mine written up for 23 and 24, but I'll hold off posting them in here if it creates a lot of work for you. If not, give me the go ahead and I'll throw them up in here.
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| | | 425 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 09:25
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FYI guys -
Just woke up, but gotta run out the door (on my way to work). Will try to have my pick done by 1PM ET... if I haven't picked by Noon (1 hour before my limit) feel free to skip me, and I'll pick it up at some point during the day. Sorry for the delay...
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| | | 426 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 12:55
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The Draft is done! :)
R we planning on doing a Recap?
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| | | 427 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:27
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That's funny. I took Fason in the 24th round last year, too.
I was wondering if anyone would bother with Toefield given the news about Greg Jones. Leave it to legge to scoop the super-sleeper Jax RB.
I'm gonna write up a post-draft recap. I'm sure Guru will create a thread for them soon.
Before we get to that point, however, I'll remind everyone in my best German accent not to forget about the last two rounds' rationales.
Bitte?
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| | | 428 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:31
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I have/had Greg Jones as my 3rd RB, so, I was hoping that I could get him, although I do not have a DL yet. On that note, I am entertaining offers for a decent (note: not solid/stud) #3/4 RB. I have QB's and WR's that could fit into some teams.
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| | | 429 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:33
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Please post your rationales for the final two round here, and I'll copy them over once we have most of them.
I will set up a separate thread for an overall draft recap.
Please complete filling your rosters at the Fanball site. After all rosters are loaded and verified, I will freeze that site for a 2-day period. Details on a final post-draft waiver round will follow once all draft rosters are in place.
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| | | 431 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 13:39
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BTW, I'm sure that this was not only the fastest RIFC draft ever, but probably the fastest of any of the Invitational leagues since their inception. (The last Hoops draft had a similar elapsed time, but that league has only 12 teams and 15 rounds.) We averaged just under one hour per pick, and that includes time when the clock was paused. 336 picks in approximately 330 hours!
Thanks to you all for paying attention.
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| | | 434 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:08
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Legge, i guess we could arrange something, i'll shoot you a mail
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| | | 436 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:16
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Post 54 & 55 in rationale was me (i edited) just misplaced my rationale... again... and again ... too many windows opened!
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| | | 437 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:19
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Sounds good Hubble, I don't have access to my home (yahoo) email at work, so, if you send anything in the next 3 hours, shoot it over to the attached email.
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| | | 440 | Doug
ID: 361412812
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 14:25
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I find it amusing that in addition to Buckhalter I was considering Fason, Toefield, and Clark for my last round pick... and all 3 got drafted in the final 4 picks! Not surprising in earlier rounds, but kinda funny in the last round. I passed on Clark when I realized he had the same bye week as Winslow, and felt Buckhalter had ever-so-slightly more upside than the other 2 RBs... we're all just throwing darts at this point anyway. =-)
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| | | 443 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 16:07
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Guru et al,
In post 23 and 24 of this thread, we discussed pushing the trading deadline back a bit. Is this something we need to consider for this season? I haven't even looked to see if it is relevant, but if it is, we might want to talk about it now rather than waiting until the season starts.
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| | | 444 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 17:27
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Note: Sam Hurd is not listed at Fanball's site, so I am unable to complete my roster (that's probably a bad sign, come to think of it...). I've sent them an email.
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| | | 446 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:12
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Sam Hurd won't make the 53 man roster cutdown this weekend so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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| | | 447 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:26
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Can't disagree with that. Always nice to get the homerism done with early.
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| | | 448 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:36
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Well honestly, not that it matters as I was thinking about taking Flozell Adams in the last round, but who do they keep as a WR?
TO
Glenn
Crayton
Skyler Green (Even though he's been a 0 in camp you don't cut a 3rd rounder in his first year)
Terrence Copper
----cut----
Hurd
That's the way I see it. He's a good guy and might get picked up, but he's just a one hit camp wonder as I see it.
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| | | 449 | culdeus
ID: 21658420
Tue, Aug 29, 2006, 21:37
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I live in Dallas BTW and hear this stuff all day on The Ticket.
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| | | 450 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:13
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Re trade deadline [443]:
I had forgotten about that. The trade deadline is currently set for November 10, which is consistent with last year. November 10 is the Friday following week #9. However, this season there are no byes after week #9, so the rationale for pushing the deadline back a week does not apply.
If anyone feels that the trade deadline should be pushed back, speak up. Otherwise, I'll leave it as is.
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| | | 451 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 3579513
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:14
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Sounds fine to me.
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| | | 452 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:15
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Re: Hurd
Please add Mungro as a Hurd placeholder for now. If/when Hurd is added, we'll make the substitution. If you drop Mungro without picking up Hurd, then the Hurd claim is relinquished.
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| | | 453 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 12:40
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Guru, I suppose the NFL took care of the bye week trade deadline consideration for us. I didn't think of it that way.
OK, I'm fine with the trade deadline being after week 9.
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| | | 454 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:14
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Guru, I'm trying to school my rookies in AA as to how the waver wire works.
One more question. Can claims be made from the waver wire during the first 48 hours after the draft? Or are the players just frozen for 48 hours before being declared FAs?
If claims are made, I assume that they are processed after 48 hours. Priority manually set by the reverse order of our draft (or first round, which for us is the same).
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| | | 455 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 13:52
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Waiver claims can be submitted during the 48 hours after the draft, processed in reverse order of the draft. (I guess it makes sense to snake these priorities for this one time, although I don't ever recall anyone submitting more than one claim at this stage of the season.)
The Fanball/AOL system will not administer preseason waivers, so the commish has to do this manually. Waiver claims should be emailed to the commish, stating the player to add & the player to drop. At the end of the waiver period, the commish will manually determine the waiver awards and make the necessary roster moves. Then, all undrafted players can be released to free agency, and players can be picked up 1st come, first served. The next waiver claim period does not occur until after the first week of games.
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| | | 456 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 14:25
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Thanks, unfortunately some answers lead to more questions.
As I understand it, the priority rankings are not reset each week.
Those who make claims in the preseason are sent to the back of the line.That whatever happens in the preseason claims will impact the priority in the week one rankings.
Is that correct?
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| | | 457 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 17:07
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No. For the first six weeks, priority rankings are reset each week, based on worst-to-first standings. After week 6, priorities do not reset weekly, but are carried forward from the previous week, adjusted for actual claims awarded.
At the beginning of the playoffs, priorities again reset once, this time in order of playoff seed (top seed has highest priority).
So, there is no after-effect of any preseason waiver claims.
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| | | 458 | mjd
Sustainer
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 17:55
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Thanks, Guru, I think I have it now.
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| | | 459 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 18:27
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452
Completed - thanks.
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| | | 460 | Doug
ID: 33772914
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 19:38
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So to clarify... the currently standing waiver priority only applies for waiver claims up until week 1.
The waiver claims for week 1 (process on Wednesday?) will be dependent upon how we perform in our two fantasy games the first week... starting with teams with worst record (0-2) and ties broken by lowest point total getting higher priority.
Is this correct?
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| | | 462 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 30, 2006, 19:54
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Correct.
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| | | 463 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 04:07
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The following rationales are still missing:
Culdeus
7.07 Drew Bledsoe, QB, DAL
Guru
17.11 William Green, RB, CLE
valkyrie
21.08 Amani Toomer, WR, NYG
22.07 Marcedes Lewis, TE, JAX
23.08 Edgerton Hartwell, LB, ATL
24.07 Stephen Gostkowski, K, NE
s_R
21.14 Hank Baskett, WR, PHI
22.01 Tyson Thompson, RB, DAL
23.14 Jared Allen, DL, KAN
24.01 Rashean Mathis, DB, JAX
Goatlocker
23.02 Kevin Williams, DL, MIN
24.13 Mike Vanderjagt, K, DAL
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| | | 464 | GoatLocker
ID: 43781518
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 08:59
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If I don't get to my last two tonite, I'll get them the weekend for sure.
Timing was perfect on the draft.
I started a three day meeting on Tues.
Should wrap late today.
Will finish the rationales and the recap then.
Cliff
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| | | 466 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 10:15
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TB - thanks for the help on moving over rationales.
At the Fanball site, I just added Buckhalter to Doug's roster, Vanderjagt to Goatlocker's roster, and practically the whole team to culdeus' roster. (Thanks for the help, culdeus!)
It now appears that all rosters are complete at Fanball, so I locked everyone's ability to add/drop for the time being. If you notice any mistakes in your roster, please let me know ASAP. It's much easier to correct now, before someone tries to claim a player that should be yours.
We will now start the 48 hour add/drop moratorium, during which time any manager may submit a waiver claim for any undrafted player. Claims must be submitted to me via email. If you are submitting a claim, indicate the player to add (name, pos, & team - please) and the corresponding player to drop. If you have more than one claim to make, put them all in one email and prioritize them as well. Please put "RIFC WAIVER CLAIM" in the subject line.
I will process any waiver claims as of noon on Saturday, Sept. 2. Priorities will be in reverse draft order. While one could make a case for snaking these priorities, there is no precedent for snaking waivers, so "second round" claims will be in the same priority as the first waiver round.
After processing waiver claims, all unclaimed players will be released to free agency, available first come, first served. Players dropped during the waiver claiming will be subject to a 48 hour waiting period (if I do it correctly), but there will be no more waiver claims until after the first week of NFL games. Waiver priorities for that period will be based on records for the first weekend (worst-to-first).
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| | | 467 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 16:15
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Guru,
Thanks for the assist on Vanderjadt.
Forgot about him with the three day meeting at work.
Sorry about letting real life get in the way.
Cliff
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| | | 468 | TB
ID: 72253110
Thu, Aug 31, 2006, 16:23
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NP, Guru. Couldn't sleep last night. I think I will write up my draft recap tonight if I can't fall asleep again.
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| | | 469 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 09:02
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Someone sent me a waiver request yesterday, but didn't say which team it was for. The sending email address wasn't one I recognized - from a videotron.ca email address. I'm guessing it's either from Hubble or IAC, but I need to know.
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| | | 470 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 59652217
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 09:08
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Hey Guru... I've got videotron here... but it wasn't me. If it had the name Etienne, Desmeules, or Pretech in it... then it's Hubble's.
If it's a waiver request... wouldn't it have a drop as well? (easy way to verify)
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| | | 471 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 09:09
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Of course - I'm an idiot. It is Hubble.
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| | | 472 | Hubble
ID: 185332620
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 12:45
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it was from my wife's adress...
she says player A look better than player B, so wanted player A on my team... how weird is that.
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| | | 473 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 13:37
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I made the Mungro=>Hurd replacement for Beezer.
I'm not sure whether it's specifically stated in any of the RIFC threads, but the standard policy on unlisted players for all of the Invitational leagues is that unlisted players (by Fanball, in this case) may be drafted, but once the draft is complete, unlisted players may only be added when they are available at the game site. Thus, any waiver claim for an unlisted player will be skipped.
I'm not aware of any current claim for an unlisted player (some additional players have recently been listed at Fanball, e.g. Hurd), but wanted to clarify the precedent in case the situation should arise.
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| | | 474 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 13:53
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I think I can understand the "why" to your point about unlisted players during the season, but I am not sure why that should pertain during preseason when our waivers are done manually anyhow?
Right now, we are basically doing draft clean up; and I wouldn't consider this regular season transactions. For example - I can't help that I drafted Greg Jones, he got hurt, and now I have to drop him. If we were doing a live draft now, I wouldn't draft him, so, if I want someone that isn't listed, why can't I have him if the only reason I am dropping Jones is that he got hurt prior to the draft waivers clearing?
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| | | 476 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 14:16
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Holy smokes, I wish I could help you out ref.
By the way, everyone else, please don't miss my post prior to ref's. I would like a clarification on this before waivers clear.
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| | | 477 | Doug
ID: 33772914
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 14:51
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I should be able to work on this in a few hours... just kinda swamped right now. If anyone else would rather do it, let me know so I don't waste any time on it. =-)
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| | | 478 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:00
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re [474]:
In the other Invitational leagues, post-draft waivers are processed by the system. It's only Fanball's inability to handle this that makes it a manual process.
The reason for allowing unlisted players during the draft is that game vendors are often slow in listing players. It would be unfair to disallow picking up a certain player in an early round if that player happened to become available in a later round. The presumption is that all viable players will be listed by the end of the draft anyway - although that does not always happen. And when it does happen, we have to make manual arrangements to properly administer those picks.
Once the draft concludes, every team is back on a level playing field. To facilitate administration, we let the system do all the processing. Unfortunately, Fanball cannot do that. But it seems odd to me that I should extend a privilege to this league that is not available in any other Invitational league, and that has not been clearly stated as an exception in advance.
I'm willing to reconsider this position if others think I'm being arbitrary and contrary to the best interests of the league.
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| | | 479 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:02
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Ref and Doug - I have a spreadsheet already set up that should assimilate the combined draft info. I've used it for other sports. Let me take the first shot at this before you reinvent any wheels.
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| | | 480 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:05
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Thanks Guru, if it's not too advanced, can you send me an email sometime about how you went about it? I'd love to learn.
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| | | 481 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:31
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If it's not too much trouble can we edit that post [475]? It's freaking out this thread on my screen.
Thanks.
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| | | 482 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:47
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MC, I'll just delete it and start a new thread, which we can delete when Guru posts his. Sorry.
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| | | 483 | Motley Crue
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:53
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It's OK, Ref. I want to see the information, too. I just figured since he already had the data, we could delete that post and await the crunched results.
Thanks for doing that, though. I was trying to read the other posts about the waivers and I was getting a headache sliding back and forth on each post.
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| | | 484 | leggestand
ID: 517112818
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 15:55
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Guru 478 - I don't think it's a special circumstance, and although I am not in any other RI_C leagues, I think it should at least be discussed.
Once the draft concludes, every team is back on a level playing field.
I disagree with this sentiment given that we use a slow draft. I personally am not on the same playing field because I lost my 9th round pick; Goatlocker is not on the same playing field because he may lose his 3rd round pick. I understand these are the results of a slow draft, but for myself, my draft strategy was altered in Round 23 when Greg Jones got injured. There was a player I wanted that wasn't in the system, but because of Jones' injury, I was not able to draft him because I believed Toefield was the route I was forced to go. I guess I figured I would pick up the unlisted player during the first waiver process, which now appears won't be allowed.
I do think everyone is on the same playing field once the season commences, but not so when the draft ends; again, because it's a slow draft.
Since it is not done in any other RI_C leagues, it should probably remain the same if no discussion occurs. Maybe I am just screaming sour grapes...especially since this player I have put a claim in for is someone I could end up dropping.
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| | | 485 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 16:06
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I don't find your rationale compelling, other than that you may have assumed that an unlisted player would still be available after the draft.
But your grapes shouldn't taste too sour. Everyone on your claim list is already available in Fanball. So as far as I can tell, this is a hypothetical exercise insofar as your potential claims are concerned - unless you still have more claims to submit.
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| | | 486 | leggestand
ID: 517112818
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 16:14
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You're right; I wonder why I could never find him...it still took me another 10 minutes since your post to find who I was talking about.
I retract all of my above statements if everyone agrees with Guru.
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| | | 487 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 26846115
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 16:47
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I certainly do (agree with Guru that is)
RE 484: "There was a player I wanted that wasn't in the system, but because of Jones' injury, I was not able to draft him because I believed Toefield was the route I was forced to go."
I don't mean to be offensive Legge... but that's just the nature of the beast. None of us can draft with a view to the future, and you did indeed have the choice to take a player that wasn't listed (just like Steven Davis who was drafted that way). I too found myself in a similar position (or so I thought), and I did indeed try to draft the "unlisted" Maurice Jones-Drew... who btw... appear s to be listed as Maurice Drew!? Who woulda thunk it?!
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| | | 488 | leggestand
ID: 517112818
Fri, Sep 01, 2006, 17:28
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I agree IAC, I was more going towards the point that the beast is created because of a slow draft. You win some and you lose some in a slow draft; I just lost in this one, and it changed my last pick (if Jones does not get injured, I do not take Toefield). So, yes, I do think I was forced to take Toefield and not able to take who I planned on; Toefield was the back up to the guy that got hurt on my team; and if Jones doesn't get hurt, I could of taken a chance on the guy I wanted, who I may still get, which will make the point moot.
No offense taken, though; I didn't think I was going to be right on this one, I just thought I'd bring up that pov.
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| | | 489 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Sep 02, 2006, 11:59
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I'm going to open a new thread for regular season discussion.
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