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Subject: Gurupie 24 2006 Regular Season Discussion III

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 09:50

Last thread

Time for a new thread.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 10:03

I came up with this idea a few years ago and I didn't think I liked it then, and still not sure I like it. In the interest of full-disclosure since this might make our league a little more like the NFL I'll post it anyhow.

There is a way for you to play every team every year. Not that the real NFL does that, but what we'd have to do to make that happen would closer replicate the NFL.

In order to play every other team you'd need to first break from two conferences of two into two conferences of three. Each division would then have four teams. Then by playing double headers each week, you'd be able to play your own division twice and everyone else once.

Playoffs would then have to go to three division winners and one wild card. I'd love to figure out 3 wild cards if we ever implememnted this but I just couldn't think of a way. Another downside IMM is that your conference would mean less as you play everyone outside of your division equally, but the NFL plays interconference games and still doesn't play everyone in their own conference. Realignment would probably have to be based on NFL location.

Again, I am not so sure that I like this but it's something to chew on at least.

Doug
ID: 361412812
Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 14:09

Personally I like it much better than the current system. I don't like SOS as a supposed "equalizer". That's what a non-snaking draft every year is for. This is a dynasty league. It should take a couple years to rebuild a team (unless you want to be a really active trader) IMHO. This way your schedule is a lot more balanced for everyone and focused on division rivalries for that playoff spot.

Wildcard could be as it is now (W/L with points tiebreaker) or even just go straight to points... so that the best team in the conferense who happened to have bad luck with matchups still gets a shot. I'm indifferent on that... and it's a totally tangential discussion. I'm almost tempted to delete this paragraph so as not to muddy the waters, lol.

THK
ID: 42917269
Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 19:16

I don't like the idea of double headers either. I am about to head out but will try and post some thoughts on the subject tomorrow.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 13:38

Evans has about 200 yds rec. and two TDs and still in the first qtr! Promize has about 33 points from him already!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 13:41

Evans after the first qtr: 205 ReYd, 2 ReTD (83,83) 33.87 points!

THK
ID: 42917269
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 14:45

Of course Evans would do this to me. That is how this season has gone for me thus far... What a joke.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 15:28

You have absolutely NOTHING to talk about after last week. Heck and this week too with Ocho Cinqo with two TDs already. Though he was clutching his hammy after that last long TD.

THK
ID: 42917269
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 15:31

Thats dumb Ref and you know it. Evans top three weeks are 15, 11, and 10. So he busts out with over double his top week?

It is different when I have legit studs- CJ and Smith - that are producing.

THK
ID: 42917269
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 15:48

Keep it up CJ! ;-)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 15:51

How is it dumb?

You scored 63 points then the next week 138. You've scored 28 and 35 in different weeks. Didn't help that you lost games by a slim margin when you failed to get a starting kicker in your lineup all season until last week. Still, you're all over the place and so is Evans! Evans has gotten at least 7 points in 7 of 10 weeks, so it's not like he's a total fluke.

Btw, Johnson is back with another long TD catch. Now he's up to what Evans is. So he's a stud. Big deal. Even studs shouldn't be scoring that many points in consecutive weeks. Esp a WR. My point is just that if your team is so stud-laden that you should be scoring that many points every week, then even off-weeks wouldn't be such low-scoring. Many teams would love to have your "bad luck." FWIW, it would be hard for you to make the playoffs in the AFC with that record, but you're just a few points out of the hunt now in the NFC and you should still win this week.

Doug
ID: 361412812
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 16:54

Is this the Gurupie 24 league or the Griping 24/7 league?

Just teasin' THK... it wouldn't be the same without you here! ;-)

THK
ID: 42917269
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 17:28

Your statement was dumb because it was based on Lee Evans vs. CJ and not my under-preforming team. Trust me, I realize my team has been playing very poorly and had some bad luck losing by .04 one week.

That has nothing to do with the fact Lee Evans scoring 40 pts is a joke. Lee Evans is no CJ - there is no reason to compare them. That is pretty much all I need to say. Hopefully I will still come out with the win and my team will continue scoring points like it should.

I thought I was a Super Bowl contender pre-season and now I will struggle to make the playoffs. Time shall tell, but if I do make the playoffs I could be a force...

THK

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 17:52

thk, you're missing the whole point.

Almost every single week, youre always complaining about your bad luck. Granted, you've had some bad luck as have many teams. But part of that is your own fault. Super Bowl teams typically having managers actively trying to improve or at least shire up their team by getting players in their lineup that actually have a chance at scoring. They don't settle for some of those low point totals when they have all of those supposed studs. You got a win when you scored 50 and you've had some huge outputs so it's not all bad. To have a starting #1 WR have a huge day (40ish) is not normal but to happen once all year is not unheard of.

I personally don't mind your whining as it
is kind of fun to see people into their teams so much. Heck I'd love to talk about how Brees had over 500 passing yards on me (remember we give a bonus for every yard scored over 350 I believe). All I'm saying is that after your week last week and again this week, and all of those weeks where you could have improved your team to cement your "super bowl run," people just are going to have a hard time feeling sorry for you. :) To say that is dumb just doesn't make sense to me. But that's fine. Not trying to get into a pissing contest, just don't think we are on the same wavelength here. Hopefully you will see my point here, but if not, it's all good.

THK
ID: 42917269
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 19:02

#1- I only whined when I lost by the 2nd slimmest margin in the entire history of our league.

#2- I whined when a scrub like Evans goes for 40 or my team under-preforms. Oh well

I never felt I needed to fix any problems with my team because my team is solid as it is. I wasn't really worried about not having a K and then was gifted one by waivers.

Palmer
Jones
CJ
Smith
Cooley
Dallas D
and Barber as my only question who has been preforming well

What should I have fixed? I didn't want to trade away real depth for a K and didn't see anything else to do. I tried upgrading Barber + White/Robinson pre-season but nothing worked out...Oh well because I feel my team is right now good enough to win it all.

Good luck everyone. Two great weeks in a row for me! Nice try Lee Evans! ;-)

THK

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 19:09

Speaking of whining: D. McNabb for a bag o' chips, anyone?

I put the over/under on T. Romo Int's next week (now that I'll actually start him) at 3.

Argh.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 19:27

#2 Evans isn't a scrub!

There were plenty of offers for Ks out there. I dropped Gould for instance and TB offered one for anything before dropping him. But, thk, it's your team and your team is still scary. Promize has scored over 98 points and will lose this week. Now I feel sorry for him! And I'd be happy to take his "scrub" off his hands! ;)

I can still win this week but need solid games out of tiki and plax or a huge game by one of them. Tiki has gotten me that many points by himself so it is still possible--though my playoff hopes are getting slimmer by the minute with the play by other teams.

I really thought CT would come out to play this week with his playoff hopes on the line. I picked him to upset bj21 in pick-ems. Made a few upset picks and most of them aren't working out to well thus far.

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 19:33

THK, there were plenty of kickers out there you could've had for very cheap. Heck, I released Novak because I didn't have any room for him. Not having a kicker yet complaining about your team is pretty funny. The reason you lost by .04 that one week wasn't because you team didn't perform it's because you were too lazy to deal a 4th maybe at worst 3rd rounder for a kicker.

Promize
ID: 61039198
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 19:45

I don't mind losing...

I'm going after another solid young pick for next year. My team is slowly building and is still very young. Another two years perhaps. I will be interested on what Ricky W. role will be next year.

My biggest weakness is my defense and from the sounds of things that will change next year with IDPs.

Action Figure
ID: 329282621
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 23:48

If I was even a little bit "good" at Fantasy Football, I would be dangerous with L.T.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 20, 2006, 09:41

LT, this just in...you're a stud!

AF, in fact, with your output this week, you may still hold the last playoff spot over thk. Can't remember how much you were over him, but was thinking it was 30+ and that's about how many points he scored more than you this week.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 20, 2006, 09:45

Guess it was the other way around. thk is up 18 points on AF for the last playoff spot coming into this week.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 21, 2006, 10:49

Adjustments done.

Playoff picture getting clearer. As of now...

AFC
1. Broncos
2. Bengals
3. Texans
4. Ravens
In the Hunt: None
Longshot: Colts, Jets

NFC
1. Bears
2. Rams
3. 49ers
4. Vikings
In the Hunt: Falcons (-17.2 points)
Longshot: Cardinals, Eagles

Promize scored the 2nd highest points this week in hitting the century mark. But as fate would have it, played the team with the highest score. DS scored 93.48 for the week's 4th highest score. Yeah, you guessed it. He played the team with the week's third highest score. Talk about your bad luck!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 21, 2006, 14:37

Franchise standings updated on g20/24 web site.

Updated Records:

Most Wins Overall (thru 06 wk 11)
1. 53 Ref's Colts
2. 50 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 45 Peter's Cowboys
4. 43 bj21's Rams
5. 42 CCR's Bears

Most Losses Overall (thru 06 wk 11)
1. 47 PD's Browns
2. 44 GL's Chargers
3. 43 SJ's Packers
4. 42 Toral's Saints
4. 42 sw's Chiefs

Most Points Scored Week and still Lose:
1. 109.48 Twarpy's Giants (02 Wk 11)
2. 104.56 GL's Chargers (04 Wk 10)
3. 101.20 Promize's Seahawks (06 Wk 11)
4. 98.60 CT's Cardinals (06 Wk 6)
5. 97.90 Twarpy's Giants (02 Wk 1)

Most times Highest Points For the Week -- Season:
1. 6 StL Cards' 49ers (05)
2. 4 Ref's Colts (02)
3. 3 Tied by many

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 22, 2006, 10:12

WooHoo! I finally got a WW request! Asked for at least one player all but one or two weeks this year. OF course now it's a little too late, but oh well. Might even start Garcia this week vs. Indy instead of Grad and the Cowboys. Also might consider trading Garcia as well if anyone needs a QB.

Toral
ID: 52621719
Thu, Nov 23, 2006, 13:08

Dan Campbell. Da man. I told youse guys.

With 2 catches and a TD, that may be more points than I have had from my "TE" all season.

Toral

THK
ID: 810422114
Sun, Nov 26, 2006, 21:52

Well, the Falcons and I are in a battle. AtL gets to play NO next week while I have to play SF. If I can win and put up some points then I hold my own destiny...

Good luck AtL...

Action Figure
ID: 329282621
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 01:34

I'm well aware and ready to rumble THK. Good luck to you too.

As we all know anything can happen.

AF

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 01:57

Have an extra QB that you can't keep? A solid starting QB that you want to move? Let's talk.

Great One
ID: 539581613
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 08:43

Wow, I haven't watched football in two weeks, but after checking last nights box score - this Addai guy may wind up being pretty good afterall :)

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 12:09

If anybody's willing to roll the dice on next year, I'd part with McNabb and R. Moss or Matt Jones for a good WR.

Thanks.

Doug
ID: 361412812
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 15:31

Hey guys... I'm having problems with outgoing email... don't know when I'll be able to send again.

StLCards, I got your last email (just can't reply)... maybe send me your phone # and a good time to call (w/ timezone)?

blackjack... similarly... if you might be interested in one of my WR (Glenn, Johnson) we can talk... email me your phone # and a good time to call (w/ timezone).

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 16:25

E-mail sent Doug.

Thanks.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 08:19

I just realized the trade deadline is fast approaching, so it is time I wrap up some of the deals I have been discussing. The deadline is midnight on Thursday the 30th, but since there is a game that night, I am assuming all trades would have to be processed by 8pm EST.

The core of the deals I have been discussing is McNair and Dillon packaged for some combination of players/picks. There are a couple teams in need of a good QB and others may just want the insurance at that position. Dillon is still putting up 9 pts per game on average, so he could be a difference maker for a team trying to win it all.

I am looking for a good keeper type player at RB, WR or TE in return. Any draft picks involved with the deal would depend on the quality of the player involved. I have a couple potential offers out there and will try to finalize something by tomorrow afternoon.

THK
ID: 810422114
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 11:05

I would package Barber and a pick for a solid RB or WR near the deadline if anybody is interested.

Anyway, looking at the matchups for the last week I think I will miss the playoffs win or lose. I guess starting 1-3 wasn't the best idea, huh?

TB
ID: 72253110
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 13:01

I think you are the scariest team in the NFC right now and that as long as you win, you are in. The tiebreaker is points scored for, so you hold your own destiny.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 14:08

I've adjusted the points for neg yards and it cost AF another half point.

The AFC playoffs are set but the order of seeding are al up in the air. Literally any of the teams could be seeded 1-4 next week, though TB's chances at an overall #1 would take a loss by all three of the other teams. No chance that GO or I can make up the PF to gain a #4 seed.

NFC playoffs are down to five teams. CCR's bears have clinched no worse than a #2 A win or 49ers loss gets him a #1 or a loss and a 49ers win with 35+ points more than 49ers gets him the #1. 49ers have clinched a spot--though it could be a #2 or a #3. The real battle is for the #4 spot, where bj21 could get a #2 this week with a win and a 49ers loss--quite possible. Or fall out of the playoffs completely with a loss and a Vikings and Falcons win. Since the cowboys are a huge underdog--that is unlikely, but he is tending to score 60 points or so and that sometimes is enough. Esp. if one of his guys has a huge day. If he wins then it comes down to thk's vikings and af's falcons for the final spot. Both have studs that can be huge on a given week. Both have the same record at 7-5 at the PF differential is 7.8 points in thk's favor. So AF needs to win and score 7.8 points more than thk this week to get into the playoffs. Either of them could potentially win it all and are two of the hottest teams right now. Yet one will likely not make the playoffs at all. BJ21's rams are just 5 points behind af's falcons so if pete scores a ton of points and upsets him, bj21 still might be able to make the playoffs that way.

For the rest of us, there are two consolation bowls, the "Wanna-be Bowl" for teams 9-16 and the "Toilet Bowl" for teams 17-24. Everyone will have a game in week 14. The top 8 teams will continue to play even with losses, but the consolation bowls are single elimination.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 14:16

I've had a couple of "newcomers" expressing an interest in Tiki, but I've already accepted a trade for him. I have other players that I may or may not part with depending on the offer, but am willing to deal. Remember, there are no transactions once the freeze occurs for week 13 (5 mins before thursday's game) so if you want some insurance for a QB or other spare parts, let me know.

The trade deadline has been changed this year a smidge because of the Thursday night game. It has always been midnight sun morning so we had time to actually see it and evaluate it before approving (with the late deadline--not really enough time for the league to overturn out approval or veto of a trade). So that meant this year would have been midnight thursday morning. But with the thursday night game and the fact that we've never had to have a approval or veto overturned, we decided that if you have it approved by midnight and we think it's fine--it will be approved in time for the game (if emergencies arose and neither of us could get access--we'd make it right for the betterment of the league I suppose). However, if you make a deal on Thursday sometime, and we aren't around to approve it, it's not going through. Chances are that it won't happen, just can't guarantee that we will be around or have time to see it/evaluate it and able to make any adds/drops if you try to push one through near the deadline.

So in short, in theory, the trade deadline is same as the freeze, but in practice, don't wait until near deadline to make your deal!

Great One
ID: 539581613
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 14:39

I'm seriously in the playoff hunt! what a turnaround lol.. J-E-T-S!!!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 14:42

Key matchups this week/implications/analysis

AFC:
9-3 Texans v. 7-5 Colts/#1-#4 Seeding on line/Colts could easily knock off the Texans though losing Tiki hurts them.

9-3 Broncos v. 7-5 Jets/#1-4 Seeding on line/Jets have surprised many lately and could easily upset Broncos--though don't expect Addai to be so huge every week.

9-3 Benglas v. 4-8 Chargers/#1-4 Seeding on the line/Trails TB's Ravens by 33.3 points so could easily be a #4 if he loses. Chargers have shown flashes of brilliance this year--though few and far between.

8-4 Ravens v. 2-11 Browns/Probably #2-#4 Seeding on the line as he's 36.8 pts behind the Broncos even if the Broncos lose/Total mismatch. Ravens basically need to get those points on coyotes' broncos in case they lose. PD doesn't have any horses left and would take a complete fallout for him to knock off TB. On the bright side is that Sammy Morris will be the starting RB for PD so...you never know. TB will be using recently acquired Tiki Barber to boost his bootom line from a slot that has been up in the air with the NFL's Broncos messed up RB/QB thinking this year--but no more.

NFC:
10-2 Bears v. 4-8 Packers/#1 seed on the line/Looks like a mismatch on paper, but the Bears haven't really been dominating. SJ has some nice young players and should make a huge run next year--though with his awesome draft this year--though he'd contend more this year. Still this has upset written all over it--though the Bears might not want to win knowing they might have to face #4 seed thk or af!

Game of the week:
9-3 49ers v. 7-5 Vikings/Seeding for 49ers-Playoff shot for Vikings/49ers are reeling with the loss of Plummer this week but he is busy behind the scenes to procure a QB I'm guessing. Vikings are on a roll and must win and score no less than 7.799 than AF to make the playoffs.

8-4 Rams v. 3-9 Cowboys/#2-#4 or out of the playoffs/Mismatch on paper but Cowboys are consistently scoring enough points to upset some teams. All up to the Rams.

7-5 Falcons v. 5-7 Saints/#4 seed or out of the playoffs/One of the hottest teams in the league with the help of LT, this is another team that could win it all or not even make the playoffs. Saints won their first three, then lost next six, only to win two out of last three. LT needs to show up and score big again or they could lose this game--let alone winning and making the playoffs. If they score more than 8 points more than the Vikings, they could still make the playoffs if they both lost as long as score those 7.8 more points.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 14:46

You must have misread something GO. You have no chance whatsoever. It would take a win and a Ravens loss to PD and you would have to outscore TB by 147.1 points this week. My chances to get in are a little better as I'd have to win and TB loses and I'd need to outscore TB by 119.8 this week. so I guess as they said in Dumb and Dumber...so you're saying there's a chance! Yeah, right. Ain't happening! ;)

THK
ID: 810422114
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 15:00

Re: TB-
I agree I have a playoff quality team. However, I started 1-3 and lost by .04 the other week which puts me in real trouble. My individual matchups next week just don't give me much encouragement.

Palmer and CJ playing Baltimore.
KJ (if healthy) @ NE.
Cowboys D vs. NYG (struggling but can still put up pts).

vs.

Bulger vs. Zona.
LT @ Buffalo.
Chiefs D @ Cleveland.

Assuming I win, which is not even close to a given (vs. Westbrook, TO, Shockey, Wilkins and Panthers D) - I doubt I score more points than AtL next week.

Hoping I put up a good showing and Palmer and CJ can pull something out of their asses vs. Baltimore so I can make the playoffs. If not - I guess I wait til next year and hope I don't start so badly again. The core of my team will be together for quite sometime so I hope to be a powerhouse for years. Unfortunately that may have to start next year.
-----
GO- Sent over some thoughts in my rejection. Let me know if you see anything else.

Doug
ID: 361412812
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 15:34

Garrard and Glenn both on the trading block for anyone looking to shore up at QB and/or Flex. However, when you look at the guys taken picks 17-24 at the end of round 1, it's not like those are high quality picks... few of them will be kept next year.

So offering me a late 2nd round pick for either of these guys isn't going to get it done... I'm far better off keeping them for next year. The ideal trade would be for a young player with upside who isn't putting points on the board "right now" but who I can have a pretty good solid feeling about for next year and/or beyond.

Great One
ID: 539581613
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 15:45

So you're saying theres a chance?!! :)

Thanks THK, I'll check.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 15:48

G24 overall franchise standing have been updated. Click on the appropriate link. Takes some work, but as long as people are using it, I'll keep doing it. Also helps me when updating the record book. IF we change the rules next year to allow for IDP or anything else that is major, may have two sets of records--one for the first 5 years, one for after that and possible overall. Don't know yet.

Current streaks (5 or more): Ravens W5, Seahawks L7, Cowboys L6

Updated Records:

Most Wins Overall (thru 06 wk 12)
1. 54 Ref's Colts
2. 51 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 45 Peter's Cowboys
4. 43 bj21's Rams
4. 43 CCR's Bears

Most Losses Overall (thru 06 wk 12)
1. 48 PD's Browns
2. 45 GL's Chargers
3. 44 SJ's Packers
4. 42 Toral's Saints
4. 42 sw's Chiefs
4. 42 Dan's Bills
4. 42 Yokel's Jaguars

Least Points Scored Week:
1. 9.82 PD's Browns (05 Wk 15)
2. 17.98 Dan's Bills (03 Wk 6)
3. 19.86 bmd's Texans (05 Wk 8)
4. 21.04 MBJ's Bengals (03 Wk 5)
5. 21.40 PD's Browns (06 Wk 12)
5. 21.40 PD's Browns (04 Wk 14)

Most times to score 100 points/Season:
1. 7 Ref's Colts (02)
2. 6 StL Cards' 49ers (05)
3. 4 thk's Vikings (06)
4. 3 Tied by many

Most times to score 100 points/Overall:
1. 16 Ref's Colts
2. 10 StL Cards' 49ers
3. 9 BJ21's Rams
3. 9 CCR's Bears
5. 8 CT's Cardinals
5. 8 TB's Ravens
5. 8 mbj's Bengals
5. 8 thk's Vikings
5. 8 AF's Falcons

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 20:11

From Rotoworld:

Donald Driver's official stats from Monday night's game will be changed. He will be awarded a seven-yard catch that was given to Ahman Green.

Driver will finish with three catches for 89 yards and a score.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 28, 2006, 22:12

Here is a recap of our supplemental draft. Notice how Romo for one isn't even drafted. Yet some real duds are on the list.

1.01 Reggie Bush, RB, NO
1.02 Laurence Maroney, RB, NE
1.03 J. Addai, Ind, RB
1.04 DeAngelo Williams, RB, CAR
1.05 Matt Leinart, QB, ARZ
1.06 LenDale White, RB, TEN
1.07 Mike Bell, RB, DEN
1.08 Jon Kitna, QB, Det
1.09 Vince Young, QB, TEN
1.10 Vernon Davis, TE, SF 49ers
1.11 Chad Jackson, WR, NE Patriots
1.12 Greg Jennings, WR, GB
1.14 Jay Cutler, QB, Den
1.13 Rex Grossman, QB, CHI
1.15 Jerious Norwood, RB, ATL
1.16 Desmond Clark,TE, CHI
1.17 Musa Smith, RB, Bal
1.18 Chargers, DEF, SD
1.19 David Givens, WR, Tenn
1.20 Wali Lundy, RB, Hou
1.21 Ernest Wilford, WR, Jax
1.22 Antwaan Randle El, WR, Was
1.23 JP Losman, QB, BUF
1.24 Jeff Wilkins, K, STL
2.01 Santonio Holmes, WR, PITT
2.02 Doug Gabriel, WR, Oak
2.03 Leonard Pope, TE, Arizona
2.04 Marcedes Lewis, TE, JAC
2.05 Lawrence Tynes, K, KC
2.06 Todd Pinkston
2.07 Vikings D, Def, Minn
2.08 Travis Taylor, WR, Min
2.09 Marty Booker, WR, Miami
2.10 Mewelde Moore, RB, Minn
2.11 Maurice Drew, RB, JAX
2.12 Matt Stover, K, BAL
2.13 Brian Calhoun, RB, DET
2.14 Saints DST, DST
2.15 Matt Schaub, QB, ATL
2.16 Shaud Williams, RB Buffalo
2.17 Jerome Harrison, RB, Cle
2.18 Kellen Clemens, QB, NYJ
2.19 Rian Lindell, K, Buf
2.20 Derek Hagan, WR, Mia
2.21 Green Bay Packers, DST
2.22 Rams D/ST
2.23 Oakland Raiders, DST
2.24 Robert Ferguson, WR, GB
3.01 Joe Klopfenstein, TE, STL
3.02 Zach Hilton, TE, NO
3.03 Sinorice Moss, WR, Giants
3.04 Jerricho Cotchery WR, NYJ
3.05 Hank Baskett, WR, Phi
3.06 Daniel Graham, TE, NE
3.07 Leon Washington, NYJ, RB
3.08 Michael Bennett, RB, KC
3.09 Cedrick Wilson, WR, Pitt
3.10 Chris Perry, RB, Cin
3.11 Ladell Betts, RB, Wash
3.12 Arnaz Battle, WR, SF
3.13 Cedric Humes, RB, PIT
3.14 Derrick Blaylock, RB, NYJ
3.15 Rob Bironas, K, TEN
3.16 Houston Texans, DST
3.17 Olindo Mare, K, Mia
3.18 David Boston, WR, TB
3.19 Brandon Stokley, WR, Indy
3.20 Bernard Berrian, WR, Chi
3.21 Vincent Jackson, WR, SD
3.22 Tony Scheffler TE, Den
3.23 Stephen Davis, RB, ?
3.24 San Francisco 49ers, Def
4.01 Rashied Davis WR, Chi
4.02 Charlie Whitehurst, QB, SD
4.03 Correll Buckhalter, RB, Phi
4.04 Stephen Gostkowski, K, NE
4.05 Jerramy Stevens, TE, Sea
4.06 Demetrius Williams, WR, Balt
4.07 Mark Bradley, WR, Chi
4.08 Josh Scobee, K, Jax
4.09 Quincy Wilson, RB, CIN
4.10 Courtney Anderson, TE, Oak
4.11 Bryant Johnson, WR, Ariz
4.13 LaBrandon Toefield, RB, JAX
4.12 John Carney, K, NO
4.15 Devery Henderson, WR, NO
4.16 Matt Cassel, QB, NE
4.17 Itula Mili, TE, Sea
4.18 Marques Colston, TE, NO
4.20 Kerry Collins, QB, Ten
4.19 Kelly Holcomb, QB, BUF
4.21 - Chris Baker, TE, NYJ
4.22 Peerless Price, WR, BUF
4.23 Patrick Crayton, WR, DAL
5.01 Najeh Davenport, RB, GB
5.02 William Green, RB, Cle
5.03 Tony Fisher, RB, STL
5.04 Drew Carter, WR, CAR
5.05 Brandon Marshall WR, Den
4.14 Michael Koenen, K, AtL
5.06 Joe Nedney, K, SF
5.07 Ron Dayne, RB, Den
5.08 Wes Welker, WR, Mia
5.09 Justin Griffith, RB, ATL
5.10 Ciatrick Fason, RB, Minn
5.11 Travis Wilson, WR, Clev
5.15 Mike Alstott, RB, TB
5.16 Adrian Peterson, RB, CHI
5.17 John Hall, K, Was
5.18 Justin Fargas, RB, Oak
5.19 Michael Robinson, RB, SF,
5.12 Antowain Smith, RB, HOU
5.20 Sammy Morris, RB, Mia
5.21 - Cedric Cobbs, RB, DEN
5.23 Shaun Macdonald, WR, STL
5.13 Nugent, Mike K NYJ
5.22 Shaun Suisham, K, DAL

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 00:06

Three trades with draft picks have been approved:

11-28 Ref's Colts gets TB's Ravens 1st round draft pick for Ref's 6th rounder. It also includes a conditional 2008 2nd round draft pick for Ref's 2008 6th round draft pick if Tiki Barber plays 6 or more games in 2007. (Tiki Barber trade)
11-28 Ref's Colts receives Cards' 49ers 3rd rounder for his 5th (Garcia/Nash)
11-28 sw's Chiefs get sj's Packers 1st rounder for his 3rd round pick (williams/colston for mcnair/dillon)

We may have an added or some added rounds to our draft if we do in fact incorporate IDPs next year. However, until that is voted on, we do not have more than six rounds to trade for. Obviously. I would have loved to only give up a 7th instead of having to give back a 5th for Garcia, but what happens if it is not added--then it goes to a 5th anyhow and we didn't want to mess with that.

The thinking is that if we add IDPs next year it will happen in one of two ways. If we add a DL, LB, DB and flex idp and a bench player (5 more players) then we will either add 5 rounds to our draft or we will do an immediate 4 round random snaked draft right after we announce keepers (prob on the cbs email site with a tight timeline). Obviously only IDPs would be permitted to be drafted. Then we would add a 7th round to the supplemental draft. In that draft you could draft whoever you wanted whenever you wanted at whatever position IDP or not from the eligible remaining players. Have had some feedback privately so cards and I have been trying to piece this together if the league does want to go this route.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 00:54

I definitely think the IDPs should be handled through a separate random snake draft. That way it gives every team 4 starting IDPs that are relatively equal in value. I would rather it be randomly selected anyway, instead of based on final standings this year. The idea is to "baseline" each team with a seemingly equal value at those positions.

Adding one more roster spot with 4 more starting positions will have a big effect next year on the late rounds in the draft and the free agent/waiver process I believe. Generally teams are picking players deep on the depth charts in those late rounds, and snatching up all available Defenses and starting kickers. I expect we will see the worst K/Def not even drafted and probably available on the WW most of the season, bouncing back and forth due to injuries and bye weeks. Most teams try to keep one backup at each position, so that means 3 of the current bench spots would be used up to cover the net in new positions (4 new starters - 1 new bench slot).

Looking at what that would mean to my current team, I would drop three young players with potential in order to fill those backup slots at IDP. One of the great things about this league is being able to "develop" a player for a couple years and then have him make a impact for you in his 2nd/3rd year. Most teams probably don't have the patience to do that, but if you are trying to re-build a team it makes a difference. I was not in favor of dropping the keepers down by one for that reason, but I can deal with it like everyone else will have to.

Here's what I think the overall effect is. The weekly WW becomes much more important (a definite plus). Trades probably go down as fringe players and one week bye fill-ins will be available at most positions. That in turn means that you probably only have 1-2 spots at most to develop a young player if your team has no injuries. With injuries to keeper type players, you can't drop them, but if you are still competing, you have to pick someone up and lose the young project. My solution, is to add two bench slots instead of one. That would give us an even 20 players per roster with the added 4 starters and two bench. I like even numbers anyway. :)

As far as keepers, I'd like to see 12 out of 20 be kept which is about what we have now with 8 out of 14. That way, you might get to keep 9-10 solid starters and then 2-3 young players each year. 80% of the kickers and TEs will get thrown back most likely, and probably 50% of the team defenses. So that means a typical team might keep 1 QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1 DST/TE, 3 IDPs and then three younger players at any position. At least, it seems reasonable to me. :)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 01:24

Nice post. At first I envisioned the IDPs be in the supp draft, but after having talks with a few people and long talks with Cards, I am starting to take his view of the IDP draft.

As far as the bench goes, there have been a couple people want two extra slots instead of one. More want one at this point. I'm torn. I'd like one so there would be more players available on the WW, yet I'd like two so I can have backup IDPs/flex players. We're a 24 team league so it's really tough. This year I tried to get a WW player every single week and failed to get the guys I wanted until before week 12 when I was already out of it. The deeper the bench, the easier to stash.

Trading goes both ways. Too deep ad you don't need to trade. Not deep enough and you have no one you can afford to give up. Tough call in such a deep league. We've had three trades just today as the deadline looms--I expect more--but not a lot this year.

As far as keepers go, as part of the overall IDP proposal, I am proposing to up the keepers back to probably 9. Might consider 10, but I want the league to mold the proposal so even the people who might vote against it could live with it if it is enacted. Can't fathom people trying to keep more than maybe one or two IDPs. WOuldn't eb surprise if some kept none. This would make the WW even thinner.

I've had a miserable time trying to better my team this year as everything was stacked against my team. First I didn't have quality keepers. I didn't have a real good team last year as I've been making bad moves and overpaying every year to try and win it when I have a chance. I don't have a problem with being down and having to rebuild, just that trying to do that when you are a playoff team is very, very difficult as we have it stacked against the top teams in every way imaginable. We lowered the keepers, we reverse the draft, we reverse the WW and with the very tough Strength of Schedule we added this year, that made it even harder for the top teams as they beat each other up while last year's teams get "easier" opponents based on last year's record. Add that to the depth of 24 teams and it's a wonder as many top teams from last year made the playoffs this year. But the turnover will continue.

That's the main reason I even brought up the possibility of playing every team, every year. Again, I'm not sure that I even like this idea. We'd have to play DH's every week. We'd have to reorganize the divisions into six of four teams and then you'd play your division mates twice each. At least the schedule would be random, no SOS, No interconference in weeks 5 and 9 and playing your own conference twice means a lot as winning your division means playoffs. One wild card is troubling as more good teams could not make the playoffs. Guess we could figure that out if need be. Thing is, that I'm not a big fan of DHs. RIFC has them and I am fine with it. Would just be a big change for us. Then there is the element of realignment of the divisions. Man this really does sound like a NFL Replica League!!!

Anyhow lots to think about. We just need input and ideas and rationales on things.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 02:09

We lowered the keepers, we reverse the draft, we reverse the WW and with the very tough Strength of Schedule we added this year, that made it even harder for the top teams as they beat each other up while last year's teams get "easier" opponents based on last year's record.
- Lowered Keeper numbers were just implemented so it hadn't affected any team through this season's performance.
- Every keeper league I have ever particpated in has a reverse draft. Should it be flipped? The more games you win the higher draft pick you get? We used the lottery in this years draft so last years worst team didn't even get the first pick.
- Maybe the waiver wire should be running from season to season instead of ever resetting it. That is an issue that can be discussed certainly.
- The Strength of Schedule change was a whole two games and I certainly would be interested in looking at the results, points for, and points against in those games. Maybe my schedule got "easier" as a non-play-off team last year, but I sure had a lot of points scored against me for the season.

I can't remember if we already voted to approve IDP or how many starters there are if it was approved, but regardless of the numbers I doubt you see the Brian Urlachers or Ray Lewis's getting tossed back into the pool at the end of each year instead of the Jerome Harrison's and Hank Baskett's. It's nice to try and develop a player but not at the expense of a stud starter.

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 08:40

I can't remember if we already voted to approve IDP or how many starters there are if it was approved

No, nothing formal on IDPs yet. In order to approve a change it requires a league vote. Right now we're gauging interest.

Myboyjack
ID: 5410242711
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 10:26

I am formally proposing a rule that any major rule change (deemed major in the discretion of the commissioners) that is subject to a league vote be passed only upon a favorable vote by 2/3 of the league mamagers.

THK
ID: 810422114
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 10:34

Gamecenter preview has me scoring 87 this week and AtL putting up 86. I sure hope they are right for once...

Also, if we are adding 4 starting slots for IDPs, I think we need to up the keepers by at least two (to 10).

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 12:41

RE: 50

TB, I'm not saying that we should snake the supp draft, quite the opposite. I'm just saying that instead of just that, we've added several other things in recent year(s) to also help the weaker teams.

TB
ID: 72253110
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 12:57

I am formally proposing a rule that the waiver priority carries on from season to season and does not ever get reset.

This gives every team equal opportunity to grab a player of value depending on how long they want to hold on to their top priority. I do not suggest it has to be immediate, but that the vote be done prior to the beginning of next season and implemented (if approved) at the end of next season so that every team can use next season to implement the strategy they feel is best with this new change.

TB
ID: 72253110
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 13:26

Myboyjack #52 - I am formally proposing a rule that any major rule change (deemed major in the discretion of the commissioners) that is subject to a league vote be passed only upon a favorable vote by 2/3 of the league managers.

I have been chewing on this since last night. I think if it is approved, it should be applied to every rule change. I can't think of an issue that we've voted on that isn't major. If it isn't a major issue, it should just be decided by a commish decision.

I would also like to see voting results, whether it's by voting in the thread, or the final results by owner. I am having a hard time remembering if the NFL has any votes by secret ballot because it seems like we always get to read which teams supported or opposed rule changes.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 13:44

I am going to have to start writing down every request we need to consider!

Others: WW moved from 2 days on players to one full day. To examine the FGs again to determine if they need to be tweaked (came after Bryant's long FG). The IDPs. The schedule. I know there were three or four other things that has been suggested privately.

Personally, the WW thing needs to be done. It's that way in all of our sports and the only reason we put it at 2 days here originally as we had to do it that way for CBS in order for waivers not to be run on Mon night. Now in commish setup, it runs on the days you tell it to. In a deep league, it'd tough when a guy makes a drop close to the deadline and no one else can get that player for another week. It would still be the same if you drop him on say a Sat. But I dropped Utecht yesterday. He's the starting TE for Indy now and no one can get him because of the Thurs. game. One day is plenty and I don't expect any resistence to that when we are ready to make rules changes. If there is, then we can have the vote and see.

I also like mbj's proposal of 2/3 for a major rule change, but last time he brought that up, only him cards and I agreed publicly and I felt that wasn't enough for a vote. LOL it would take a simple majority for the 2/3 majority vote to go through. Doesn't really matter at this point as I don't plan on having any voting going on during the season as far as next year goes unless it affects something right now.

TB's proposal. I will have to think about that. Interesting idea. May support that as well, but want to think it through first. These are the kinds of ideas that we need.

Here is my thinking on IDPs. I think they add a new dimension to our league as far as franchises having more value in terms of trading and ways you can still win even if you have a stud or two on bye weeks. It's hard when your killed b yguys on bye like I was one week and we've all been there sometime or another. Same thing goes for injuries. But point is that IDPs have a few studs, but they are not all consistent and after the top few, they are a literal crap shoot. If you have a bye week, you may even be able to drop your guy and get someone else as easy as you can finding a IDP that plays and drop an Offensive player. The thought even occurred to me that if you want two extra bench players for the IDPs, then perhaps we should make the starters go DL, LB, DB and two IDP flexes. RIFC for example uses 3 IDP flexes but with 16 teams instead of 24 and there is more than enough. Problem is that we'd have then 120 IDP starters instead of 96 like they do in RIFC. And by the time you add the bench player or two, it's going to be very thin. But then again, maybe that is for the best. Like I said, we want all of the input so we can frame things to the league's likes and dislikes and not just say here it is and vote on it take it or leave it.

In baseball we added prospects. I am not much of a fan of them and voted against them. They passed by a single vote. I do love the way they add another dimension fo our teams to improve or have value to trade. This year we added more power to prospects and even though my personal prospects stink and it will hurt my team now and next year, I voted for both of the proposals because I see how it can help the league. Hopefully, it will eventually help me as well.

What I do want to change about out G24 league though is the general feeling of doom that some people feel about their teams. When you start going south they give up or don't put much effort it--even early on. But more alarmngly was the past few weeks in trying to move Tiki to a contender. There were a few playoff teams--even this week--who said that they had no chance to win it anyway so why give up anything for a guy that's retiring. WOW!!! That is so against my way of thinking. I try and do everything I can and will overpay at times to try and shore up my team and take as much chance or luck out of the equation as I can. You never know what can happen. Look at bmd last year who managed to get into the playoffs after taking over a so-so team. If he had started the right player, he'd have won the championship over the dominating 49ers. There were several teams that had better records that bmd that didn't even make the playoffs, yet he was >< this close of winning it all. How outstanding is that! In H2H , weird things can happen. I'd rather take a risk and it not work out than find out later if I'd have done it, I would have won it all. After all, you don't know when the next time you will be in position to win it again. But that's just me and to each their own. There were some good back and forths and I had a great time--even with teams who weren't good fits. It's hard as Im usually the buyer and it was much easier than to try and sell players. I should have contracted out with Species!!! LOL

So if we can add a new facet to our game that will give people hope and promise that they have a chance to do something now or later with some of these changes then I'm all for it. Change is hard at times, but ultimately if the leagues wants to make a change, I'm going to figure out a way to embrace it and make it function to as well as possible for us. Not sure if some of these ideas will help us or not, but if there is a chance they might, then we need to do our due-diligence to investigate them before deciding.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 13:50

Re: 56

I know that Guru's invitational leagues are posted in the thread and it works well, but I guarantee you no more than 1/2 to 2/3 of our league will cast their vote in a timely manner if we do that. Email vote usually gets 3/4 of the vote back immediately and the stragglers usually within a day. I have no issue with posting who voted for what (and I keep all emails for a couple days in case someone questions a certain vote), but when I did that in baseball, there were objections to that and they wanted it done in secret. I'd rather they be posted and held accountable for their vote ( I did that here after TB and someone else requested it and no one objected), but email is the way to go to get it done efficiently.

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 14:29

I'm still looking for a flex player.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 14:38

From CBS:

Why did Donald Driver's and Ahman Green's stats change?

Answer
The Elias Sports Bureau has made a statistical correction in the Green Bay/Seattle Monday Night Game. Ahman Green was incorrectly credited with a 7 yard reception just prior to the 2 minute warning in the second half. The reception should have been credited to Donald Driver. We have corrected the stats for both players. Ahman Green had a reception and 7 receiving yards deducted from his stat line. Donald Driver had a reception and 7 yards added to his stat line.

CBS has automatically adjusted this so there is nothing the commishs have to do (except change the record book for PD's game and adjust the overall records--which can wait until they fix themselves next week ;)) The scoring change gave PD (Driver) .7 more and took away that amount from TB (Green).

TB
ID: 72253110
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 14:50

After reading your thoughts, Ref, regarding the 2/3 vote I would like to see it get 2/3 of the vote to be approved. If we are going to ask that all major decision be approved by 16 owners, I would like to see 16 owners who agree with the decision. I know that MBJ and myself are two and if Cards feels the same way, then we just need 13 more.

As far as my proposal for the waiver priority to carry on from season to season, here are my thoughts. It doesn't hurt any team. Everyone has the opportunity to get a high waiver priority by being patient and waiting for the right player. Other owners, like me, will use their priority again and again when they want a player not worrying about getting the top spot. They way it is set up right now, if you start the season with the 15th priority, you might not get the top spot all year and then it starts over again next year. Really, I don't feel that strongly that it has to change, but if there are teams that feel like they always miss out on the top free agents before week 6 ever comes around because they are always fielding a competitive team, this is an opportunity to put teams on equal ground.

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 15:00

Reminder:

Note that all players used in the playoffs must be on your team for the last game of the regular season. Therefore there are no acquisitions once the deadline before the first game starts for the last week of our regular season. i.e. No add/drops during the playoffs. Waivers/Add/Drops will be turned off at the freeze of Week 13.

Great One
ID: 539581613
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 15:52

I can't believe I won the Pick Em last week - I literally made those walking out the door for Thanksgiving vacation - didn't even look at the matchups and just took all the teams in the left hand column (I think it was left) and I put up high score lol...

Maybe I should have done that all season instead of using rational thought and analyzing the matchups! :)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 15:53

Re 61 as I said before I WANT the 2/3 vote on major rules. Tweaks--simple majority is fine IMM. If you are in agreement with that, then that makes 4 and we are about to the point where that can be voted on. As far as 2/3 to get 2/3, I like the concept but that would need to be in the proposal as well I think. Seems fair though. I hate when rules just barely get passed (i.e our keeper rule--one vote 13-11, baseball japanese player rule 11-9). But there are going to be those that vote no, simply because they don't like change it seems. Still if there are enough of those, then maybe it's not good enough to be enacted. Albeit, IDPs, scheduling change and even the WW change would be major rules IMM.

THK
ID: 810422114
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 18:46

I reluctantly just made a deal with GO. I'll post my thoughts on it tonight...

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 18:54

Is the deadline to pick up a free agent for the rest of this entire season tomorrow night 11/30 then?
If so, will there be a way to push that trade through after its reviewed? Cause I'll be one player short after the unbalanced trade and don't want to just leave an empty spot all the way into the offseason.

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 18:56

And I just flew in from Indiana (where I had a gun to THK's head forcing him to negotiate!) and boy are my arms tired :)

Peter N.
ID: 581018320
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 18:57

bj21 - offer on the table...I think it is what you are looking for. Let me know when you get a chance. Thanks!

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 19:06

Done and done, Pete. Thanks.

Peter N.
ID: 581018320
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 19:15

bj21, thanks for the quick response. Figured that was what you were looking for. I like this trade for both of us. Now I just need McNabb to have a healthy recovery and for Moss to get traded. Enjoy Reggie Wayne. He was one of my favorite original draftees.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 19:37

I just got home and glanced at the trades. One looks to be no issue, but I have a question about the other one and I want to ask one of the traders personally to make sure first. If that person can get back to me, I can prob approve it right then.

GO, in this league, the commishs review the trade when they get it and can approve it immediately. The league can vote to overturn the commishs decision. We don't approve our own trades unless it is unavoidable (one is out of town w/o access for instance) or it is a trade between the two of us. Still, the league can overturn those as well. So to answer your question, if your trade is approved tonight then you can pick up another player immediately. All transactions will turn off for the season at this week's freeze tomorrow. (5 mins before game time).

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 19:53

Two more trades I just approved:

Dallas Cowboys
·Martin, Ruvell WR GB
·Wayne, Reggie WR IND
St Louis Rams
·McNabb, Donovan QB PHI
·Moss, Randy WR OAK

Minnesota Vikings
·Barber, Marion RB DAL
·Bironas, Rob K TEN
New York Jets
·Chambers, Chris WR MIA
·Texans, DST DST HOU
·Vinatieri, Adam K IND
Offer: deal also includes GO's 2nd round pick in 07 aquired from TB

Great One
Sustainer
ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 20:01

On a side note, I'd be willing to trade my #1 pick next year for a starting RB or top WR (or possibly a top TE). Shoot me an offer or email, I'll be at work all day tomorrow to field any offers.

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 20:08

GO, maybe we should talk.

THK
ID: 810422114
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 20:18

StL believes in Romo!

THK
ID: 810422114
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 20:45

Ok my thoughts on the deal:

Barber is a young very productice player, yet the weakest part of my lineup. Right now though he relies on TDs alone. A 3DRB and GL guy isn't normally starting worthy. Barber is just having a blessed year in regard to TDs. I tried to trade him pre-season, even though I liked him. Now his value was about as high as it would go unless he actually gained a starting job. Jones has been productive and Barber has 4 yrs more on his contract in Big D. Sure if Jones gets hurt again Barber steps in, but right now was the best value I could get.

Chambers is having a terrible year of course. However, Chambers is on pace for 184 targets (39.8% catch rate). Last year he had just 166 (43% catch rate) targets but a better catch rate and more TDs. So clearly he is still being looked towards but Harrington is having some problems getting him the football and the yards he gained last year. In the end I viewed Chambers is high risk - high reward. Being that Barbers value is so high I felt it was worth the risk because of Chambers immense potential.

Not to mention I add a stud K for a great offense - so I don't have to worry about that. Also get a 2nd rounder to hopefully pick up a role guy for next year. Then I was able to get him to add the Texans who play Oakland and Tennessee in consecutive weeks which could help me put up more pts next wk and in the first round if I make it.

Hopefully it works out for both GO and I - meaning Chambers can live up to his potential down the stretch and next year while Barber keeps getting in the EZ.

I am still skeptical that I will score more points than AtL next week --- assuming I can even beat SF with my matchups. It is going to be a fun finish though...

THK

Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 20:52

Rain and thunder in Cinci tomorrow night, THK. I just bought my big orange poncho. The rain might actually help your Palmer/CJ combo.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 21:08

RE: 48

Another problem with having room to stash players is that we have 24 teams and there are only 32 NFL teams. So that means at most 8 teams can have a 2nd QB, TE, K or DST. Obviously with bye weeks trades need to be made so teams don't have to go w/o one of those players. If some teams can stash 2 or more of them then less trading and it is more often that some teams have to go without players on a given week.

blackjackis21
Dude
ID: 034837521
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 22:08

Re: 75 - yeah, I figure if he's good enough for Jessica...

Who knows, but looks like he can be at least mediocre. I love Reggie Wayne, and frankly am sick of Mr. headcase and Mr. season-ending-injury. Both those guys could be great next year, or they could both stink. I didn't feel like gambling on them and am happy to have Wayne. I hope for Pete's sake (pete's sake! - never hear that, I bet) they work out.

Also, for what it's worth, I like the 2/3 vote rule, I think I like the waiver priority carry-over rule (still thinking), I'm fine with one-day waiver wire, I like IDP's in general (still thinking about best # of keepers, draft, etc.), and I'm fine with disclosing who voted what.

Good ideas guys.

Peter N.
ID: 581018320
Wed, Nov 29, 2006, 22:57

hahah very original with, "for Pete's sake" bj21. ;-) It is indeed a good deal for you and I love Wayne too. I didnt realize that he was only a year younger than Moss until I started researching the deal and that was a factor for me. With my QB situation as it was, I had to make a deal for McNabb(even know I am a Cowboys fan) We'll see how it works out, but I think it'll end up being a great deal for both of us. BJ21 gets a great WR for the stretch run and years to come and I upgrade my keepers without having to give up a pick. Good luck bj21, but not this week. ;-)

THK
ID: 810422114
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 00:31

Amen Pete - not this week! ;-) haha Too bad I don't think you have the fire power to pull it out this week.

No matter the finish - even though I think I will end up out of the playoffs - its been one hell of a finish.

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 00:38

No one has a flex player or two they want to part with? I've still got a 1st round pick for an older keeper type that doesn't fit into someone's long term plans. Could package that pick with another player for the right type of deal. I just don't know who might be available and time is short.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 13:55

There are certainly enough people now for the 2/3 rule and the IDPs to put them up for a vote. Will do so after the season/before next season. The more I think about it, the more I tend to agree with TB's amendment that we chould get 2/3 vote on the 2/3 rule to implement it.

Not ready for the offical IDP proposal yet. Still need a lot of discussion and input. Really need your assistance on this. Also, besides Doug's backing of the 26 games schedule and someone privately leaning against it, I've heard no discussion on it. I'm wishy-washy on it myself. The one day WW will simply be instituted unless there are objections.

I'd also like to open discussion again for the merits of total points scored counting against the D/ST or just the points scored when the D/ST is on the field. I have been of the opinion to leave it how it is, but one manager thinks we should discuss it again and I agree. I am not against changing it as much as I hate the fact that a turnover taken down to the 5 yd line for instance is then going to count against the D and the one taken in is not, but there are good arguments either way and I am open.

THK
ID: 810422114
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 19:16

I am opening against playing multiple games each week. I just like the idea of a single matchup per week...

StLCards
Leader
ID: 31010716
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 19:25

PD, if you're around check your email

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 19:59

Freeze is here. All players are officially locked for the rest of the year. Obviously, you are still free to change your lineup up until 5 mins of that player's game.

THK
ID: 810422114
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 21:34

If the Palmer/CJ duo can double their yards and hook up for a score or two in the second half that would be nice...

THK
ID: 810422114
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 21:50

Damn Housh!

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 14:21

That last drive by balt cost my cincy D like 14 points to finish with 12. OUCH

Also, I am so against the muffed punt rule. That's a fumble so let them advance it!

THK
ID: 810422114
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 14:14

just what I needed...scrub Furrey scoring points and LT going nuts in the first half

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 15:36

Falcons-Saints game is very close. Toral could knock AF out of the playoffs.

THK
ID: 810422114
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 16:06

Bulger with a TD from the 1 freaking yard line at the end of the game. If Toral doesn't knock off AtL...I am all but done.

I would need a HUGE game from Smith and the Texans D.

I hate LT...

THK
ID: 810422114
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 16:13

Texans D TD! HAHA. This is one hell of a finish to the season no matter how it ends.

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 16:19

thk, right now you are down just two points if you both win. You have a 7.8 margin coming in IIRC. All of his guys will be done in the next couple mins, while you still ahve guys just starting and yet to play. Why so glum? You can lose points from the Texans DST, but still you have to like your chances right now.

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 16:21

Also Toral still has Stallworth and Foster leftto play yet and is down just 8 points ATM, so AF is up against the wall.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 16:40

AF's week is over with an unofficial score of 75.86. THK has the exact same amount with players to go and Toral is 6.38 down and two players left. Obviously there may be scoring adjustments so it's not official but can't see how thk can miss the playoffs at this point. THK is also up 55 points or so as well.

Also, I just saw the Giants INT a Romo pass then he fumbled and Romo recovered. We do have a precedent for this and I believe it takes a manual adjustment. IIRC, The Giants DST loses two points for the fumble but Romo does NOT receive 2 points for recovering the fumble. Going to go back and search some of our past years' threads and see how CBS scores it.

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 19:37

Going to be interesting to see how many of the (would be) playoff teams would have made a difference in every week if they had Tiki. I already see one team which would have won this week with him. Other (non)deadline deals may also make or break teams.

Action Figure
ID: 329282621
Mon, Dec 04, 2006, 02:14

AF's week is over with an unofficial score of 75.86.

AF's season is over.

GG THK. I'll need to regroup and give it a go next year.

This is a bitter pill to swallow. It's going to be a long plane ride home. We didn't get the job done. I tip my hat to them. The best team won today. My guys have nothing to be ashamed of. We didn't get the big breaks today. We shot ourselves in the foot. We lost our focus. I take full responsibility for this loss.

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 04, 2006, 03:00

LOL AF!

I've been going over at least 3 games I should have won. Just one of them, I'd have knocked out bmd, but stuff happens. I also won a couple close games, so it goes both ways.

Don't think we will be adjusting any points for the defensive fumble as we don't know when else it has happened.

100

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 04, 2006, 21:54

Actually AF has still a slim hope. Toral can't score any more points (stallworth or foster) and Stl cards has to outscore steve smith by almost 20 more points. Main problem is that he has two eagles facing his own panthers D.

101

Action Figure
ID: 329282621
Mon, Dec 04, 2006, 23:31

So much for that...

102

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 05, 2006, 00:20

Yeah when I saw that Foster was out--Stallworth had to get a touch and a yard to get it and he got one more touch and it was a TD pass. Didn't matter though as thk had more points.

103

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Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 05, 2006, 11:06

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