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| Posted by: Mötley Crüe
- Dude [439372011] Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 15:40
OK, I'm an SEC guy so I take note of these little things. Michigan got undressed at home today against Appalchian State. Sure, they're Division II champions, or whatever, but man that has to be a hard thing for you Big 10 fans to swallow.
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| | | 1 | smallwhirled
ID: 2382115
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 16:03
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Biggest upset ever!
Maybe the best last 2 minutes I've ever seen. Unbelievable. Thank you DTV B10 Network preview!!!!
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| | | 2 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 16:11
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MC and other SEC guys:
Time to take note of some big things this year, such as the soon-to-kick-off thrashing Cal will lay on the neon orange deer hunters from Rocky Top, TN.
This will be the year of the Pac-10, much like many, many other years.
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| | | 3 | leggestand
ID: 557292718
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 16:25
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but man that has to be a hard thing for you Big 10 fans to swallow
Quite the opposite...I am an OSU fan, and any time UM goes down, I am happy, whether or not it's our conference's "ranked" best team. The only thing I care about is how OSU looks, and they looked fine today (except for our DL's broken leg).
It's not like you can make a statement that "App St has proved themselves to be the best team in the Big 10," because of the win. It was a great win and probably the biggest upset ever, but that's what it is...an upset. Play that game 10 times, and App St may win it once...today just happened to be that one time.
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| | | 4 | Perm Dude
ID: 5381919
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 16:27
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I'm with leggestand: My favorite teams are OSU and "whoever is playing UM."
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| | | 5 | Rendle
ID: 23756422
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 16:32
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Ditto, it's 4:32 and Michigan still sucks.
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| | | 6 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 16:57
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The good news is that we won't have to listen to misguided Big 10 fans proclaim how they should have two teams in the National Championship game this year. Perhaps Michigan still hasn't recovered from the spanking' USC put on them in the Rose Bowl.
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| | | 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 5381919
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:00
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I believe you meant to say: "Michigan probably hasn't recovered from their devastating loss to OSU, which carried through to their bowl game, the offseason, and even to the first game of this season..."
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| | | 8 | leggestand
ID: 557292718
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:12
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lol, PD. Exactly my thoughts!
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| | | 9 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:31
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Here we go again....weeeee
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| | | 10 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:32
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This will be the year of the Pac-10
Pac 10 - not so much.
It's a Big East year, baby.
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| | | 11 | smallwhirled
ID: 2382115
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:37
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Has Notre Dame even made 1 play that would make their fans happy today?
They look beyond horrible.
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| | | 12 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:40
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ND is not good
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| | | 13 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:41
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BTW, Zen; you like Cal at -7? I'll give you action if you want it.
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| | | 14 | barilko6
ID: 52261810
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:56
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I have Cal posted here at -5.5, and I do like them there.
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| | | 15 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 17:59
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Wow. Sportsintraction has them at -7 @-120. That's a seriusly attractive middle play....
If you can Cal -5.5 @-110
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Tenn +7 @+100
Nice.
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| | | 16 | barilko6
ID: 52261810
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 18:02
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Then all you need is a nice 2 FG difference...lol
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| | | 17 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 06:31
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Boy am I glad the Michigan loss happened in the first week of the season. Now I don't have to build my hopes up and get into prolonged discussions about the BCS. What else can I do with my Saturday afternoons now? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......
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| | | 18 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 11:34
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Keep your money, MBJ, if you are going to so easily dismiss the Pac-10 out of hand, you'll be giving plenty of it away this year.
Hey, I really liked Eric Ainge and Arian Foster, but they were no match for the high octane explosion that is Cal.
Man, I LOVE college football.
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| | | 19 | Promize@Parents
ID: 31841217
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 12:45
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Motley, with yah man... I'm SEC man now also.
It is hard for me to say that, since i'm from Missouri and always loved the Big 12.. But when I moved to Georgia, I learned what college football is all about...
We played Oklahoma State yesterday, who was bostering they would be the best offense in the country this year... Trust me, they went home yesterday rethinking that...
The fans of OKstate were great, met quite a few, but they were in awe at seeing how big our stadium was.
As much as I hate Georgia Tech, I hate ND even more so loved seeing that win...
I also wanted badly to see Auburn fall to Kansas State.
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| | | 20 | holt
ID: 587112719
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 10:33
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I live in Oklahoma (fairly close to Stillwater). Haven't really heard much hype about OSU this year (granted, I'm an OU fan). Maybe there were predictions of them having a good offense (I guess I'll take your word for it), but most predictions for them as a team have them in the bottom half of the Big 12.
I can believe that OSU fans would be in awe of Georgia's stadium. I've been to games at OSU's stadium and there is so little room on the sidelines that a QB can't even throw warm-up tosses. OSU is proud of their recently renovated stadium but I hate it. just not enough land for them to work with.
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| | | 21 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 12:51
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I caught the first half of the Georgia - OK State game and they seemed to be fairly evenly matched, with an edge to Georgia. Looks like it turned into a blow-out in the 2nd half. Hard to tell from the boxscore where Georgia dominated but the scoreboard speaks for itself.
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| | | 22 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 354152921
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 19:21
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I also wanted badly to see Auburn fall to Kansas State.
I went to the game this weekend (made the 10 hour drive!) and honestly thought Auburn had lost the game by the time the 4th quarter rolled around. But there was a point in the 4th quarter where I think the Kansas State QB lost the game for his team.
It was a 3rd down play in the student section end of the field. There was a delay and the crowd started getting loud in preparation for a much-needed big play by the defense. The defensive players were raising their arms to get the crowd going and all of a sudden the K-State QB starts doing it. He actually started egging on the crowd!
Well, that's about all an Auburn fan needs to go ballistic. They failed on the 3rd down play and the next series was Auburn's TD series.
The very next series, the K-State QB was getting heavy pressure. I saw him get hit right after throwing the ball at least twice. In fact, the entire series it looked like there was just a complete lack of concentration by K-State. It was clear that the defense was fired up and there was no doubt that the crowd was as well. I'm sure part of it was that Auburn was finally leading, but I'm sure another part of it was the cockiness of the K-State QB. And what do you know but a few plays later he gets crushed from behind, fumbles the ball, and Auburn scores another TD.
I certainly hand it to the rest of the K-State team for giving Auburn a heck of a game, but I honestly think their QB shot their team in the foot by getting the crowd THAT much more into the game than they already were. If I were a teammate of his, I might have to have a conversation with him about what not to do in an opposing team's stadium... particularly in the SEC.
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| | | 23 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 22:41
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Did anyone catch that Texas Tech offensive line! The heights on those guys was: 6'7", 6'7", 6'7", 6'6", 6'4"; and the weights were 374, 369, 350, 300 something...
they have ten guys on the O-Line over 3 bills!
These a college kids! These weights are frightening. Is there an NFL team with an average height of 6'6" on the O-Line? Wow!
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| | | 24 | holt
ID: 587112719
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 00:02
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have to keep my eye out for that. that's huge.
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| | | 26 | holt
ID: 587112719
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 21:24
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hahaha - nice
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| | | 27 | Barilko6
ID: 46637248
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 15:02
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Michigan dropped allll the way out of the Top 25. Ouch. Biggest drop off ever.
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| | | 28 | Perm Dude
ID: 16816810
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 17:23
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I'm liking the Michigan game today! Love the shots of the faces of dismayed fans--over 100,000 to pick from!
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| | | 29 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 18:59
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PAC TEN BABY!
I'd like to re-introduce the Washington Huskies to the nation. They just got back from a 5 year stint in the Peace Corps and are now ready to once again play some football!
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| | | 30 | leggestand
ID: 51859316
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 23:00
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And what would you like to say about Oregon State?
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| | | 31 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 01:38
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LOL, incredible. Gotta love PAC 10 bashers. That game was two days ago. Keep up.
PAC 10 had a pretty good day today; Michigan, Boise State, Colorado, Colorado State, and BYU...yeah, good day.
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| | | 32 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 11:35
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And what would you like to say about Oregon State?
Two time defending NCAA baseball champions, duh...
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| | | 33 | Perm Dude
ID: 16816810
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 11:53
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That game was two days ago. Keep up.
Actually, I wrote #28 during the game. legge posted the evening of that game, in response to Zen's push-polling post #29.
Feeling a little sensitive, TB?
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| | | 34 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 12:22
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Not at all, PD. You do come off as more of a casual fan, so maybe you don't realize that the Oregon State game was a Thursday night game, hence the 2 days ago comment.
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| | | 35 | leggestand
ID: 258301215
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 19:33
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TB - I was just saying that if we are going to post when a team in our respective conferences has a "big win" over the likes of Boise State, let's also not forget those losses against "inferior teams" like Cincinnati that same week. I am not bashing a conference, and instead am just showing that for every good win, there is usually a bad loss that's being overlooked.
That being said, in response to SZ's Washington hype, this weekend is big as they get to host OSU. There seems to be some hype about an upset, but hopefully the Buckeyes defense can carry them through; because I really don't want to hear from SZ after that one if it goes the wrong way!
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| | | 36 | smallwhirled
ID: 541151619
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 19:45
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Yes sir! Washington has arrived. I love that RS frosh QB. The Washington - Ohio State game should be great this weekend.
I still can't stop thinking about how Dixon and Oregon just ripped through the Michigan defense. I was on the edge of my seat each time Oregon had the ball because that offense was clicking so damn efficiently. Impressed.
I wish one day we could actually get a little playoff at the end. Then we can forget about which conference reigns supreme. Voting won't matter nearly as much (maybe the differential between the last teams getting into a playoff). No more rooting for our rivals just to make our conference look good! I can't stand that.
SEC this, Pac10 that, BE gets no respect....etc. Not that I'm arguing against all of this because conference perception actually matters, but I wish it didn't.
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| | | 37 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 20:39
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I was rooting for Cal to beat Tennessee all the way. I could never root for the Vols, whether they embarrass the SEC or not. Same goes for Georgia, Auburn, and LSU. It probably hurts the Gators' SOS, but I cannot on principle root for any of those teams. Especially Tennessee. Yuck.
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| | | 38 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 20:50
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I am with you legge and you are one of my favorite posters, but every year we get these other people who like to come and jump on the bashwagon, but then disappear when roles are reversed. As soon as USC lost to UCLA we got all the "Ding Dong, the witch is dead and a dozen other crappy bashwagon comments, but where were they all when USC settled the argument on the field? Where are they most of the time, yet only come out of the woodwork for the bashing? Most of them don't show up for that. I'm not talking about the regular guys, like you, who post all the time and everyone knows who your pulling for.
Oregon State losing to Cincy is a big ouch for their fans, but Cincy has a good team. Maybe not as good as Appalachian State, but who knows.
This weekend could be tough for the PAC 10. USC could be the surprise upset of the week in Lincoln, OSU could crush Washington, Oregon could have a let-down game against FSU, etc. Plenty of PAC 10 bashing all the time, so when they have a good week I think the fans are entitled to live it up a bit.
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| | | 39 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 21:39
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Leggy
First off, the Huskies aren't hosting OSU this weekend, the are hosting Ohio State, or THE Ohio State as they are fond of calling themselves. Yes, THE state university you are stuck attending if you couldn't get into a halfway decent school ;)
Pointing out OSU's loss to the mighty Bearcats as a counterpoint to my claim of PAC-10 supremacy is like someone pointing out who Vanderbilt lost to and claiming the SEC sucks. In short, it's not a very compelling argument.
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| | | 40 | leggestand
ID: 258301215
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 21:40
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I completely agree TB. Lots of people say something about how great X is, but when X is shown to be not great, they disappear. It certainly drives me crazy.
That being said, it's always really hard for me to debate the strong/weak "conference" topic. Is the SEC the strongest conference top to bottom? I think 90% of people say yes, including me. But I still think that Penn State, Wisconsin, and OSU could go out and beat any team in the SEC on any given day.
The Pac 10 is certainly stronger than most conferences, but I liken them to the Big 10, whereas there are going to be some good wins, and then there are going to be some bad losses. Heck, even the SEC has some uncharacteristic losses (see Auburn vs USF).
I love the parity that has occurred recently in college football and I enjoy the "college game" more than the NFL (the fantasy element of the NFL is what keeps me so involved in the NFL...I bleed scarlet and grey and can't say that for an NFL team). I love how we can discuss App St beating Michigan and all the other crazy happenings in college football that you just don't see in the NFL. I mean, heck, if Indy loses to the Texans, are we going to have a bunch of posts about it? Probably not.
With all that, go OSU. Take down Washington and knock all this upset chatter out of here. I stick to my belief that OSU will start 8-0, as the schedule is pretty weak until that point. Once 8-0 occurs, anything can happen after that...
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| | | 41 | leggestand
ID: 258301215
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 21:45
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Lol, SZ. Nice response. Oregon State isn't that bad, are they? I know their RB was talking a bunch of junk about that Thursday game being his and OSU's coming out party, and they got crushed. I certainly didn't think it looked bad for the Pac 10, but like I said, I don't really look at the conference effect of out of conference games as much as many because I don't think it says that much. Is App St beating Michigan a huge upset? Yes. Does it really apply to Ohio State, though? Not in my eyes. It was a Michigan loss, not a Big 10 loss.
Basically, I really get into these conference debates because I am just trying to counterpoint the efect of out of conference losses. Whether I succeed or not is up for judgement, but I love talking college football, and since this is the thread to do it, I am going to post something :)
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| | | 42 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 01:16
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Actually Stanford is starring this year in the Vandy role, not the Beavs. Have to agree that I love me my college football.
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| | | 43 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 01:33
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Okay, for now on I will now refer to Ohio State as tOSU or TSUYASAIYCGIAHDS just so there is no confusion.
=)
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| | | 44 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 07:16
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If they ever were, Vanderbilt is no longer the worst SEC team. The post of conference whipping boy has been occupied by the Mississippi State Bulldogs for years now. If you didn't see them against LSU on opening night, you really missed a treat.
Vanderbilt might not even be the second worst. Ole Miss and Georgia strike me as teams that aren't that great either (Vanderbilt won at UGA last year).
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| | | 45 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 08:46
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Ole Miss and Georgia strike me as teams that aren't that great either
As long as Brandon Cox is under center and telegraphing his passes (has there EVER been a QB who stares at his intended receiver for THAT long on EVERY play at the college level?!), then Auburn might make a run for worst team in the SEC.
Ugh!
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| | | 47 | holt
ID: 587112719
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 15:34
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being from oklahoma, when I hear OSU my brain always immediately registers it as oklahoma state.
I do my best not to call Oklahoma OU when I have discussions on the net. I imagine there are other schools that call themself OU.
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| | | 48 | Perm Dude
ID: 18341511
Sat, Sep 15, 2007, 18:41
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Huskies not looking so good against The Buckeyes.
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| | | 49 | Perm Dude
ID: 18341511
Sat, Sep 15, 2007, 18:50
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In response to #34, I'm sure you realize, TB, that "casual fan" is an insult you thrown at someone who doesn't agree with you. I don't agree--you'll have to get over that. In fact, I don't really care all that much about conferences, just teams.
And to be clear, my #48 is in no way a slam on the Pac 10. In today's game, it is clear that why Washington was unranked and why Ohio State was ranked #10.
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| | | 50 | leggestand
ID: 258301215
Sat, Sep 15, 2007, 18:59
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Good win for the Buckeyes, PD. It was my first chance getting to watch this team, and, as usual, their defense looks as good this year as it always does. Lauriniatis further showed today why he is one of the best, if not the best, defensive player in the country. I am still not sold on Boeckman, and I think our offensive playbook tends to be pretty generic, but hopefully our defense can always keep us in games so that our offense only needs to make a couple plays.
From 49: I don't really care all that much about conferences, just teams.
I think your above statement pretty much sums up my feelings also. In my mind, the Pac 10 didn't get beat by the Bucks today, just Washington.
For what it's worth, Florida looks pretty good...again, and after last season losing the national championship in two sports to the Gators, I find myself rooting against them as much as Michigan.
And you guys were spot on about Auburn. Wow, they stink.
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| | | 51 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 02:08
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You know what Fred, I am a pretty casual fan. I root for USC but I tend to pull for PAC 10 teams when the play OOC. When they lose, it's no biggie to me. I just like to talk football.
I wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers, but you trying to read more into what I posted has you going down the wrong road.
#1 Post 31 was in reply to post 30. If I was responding to another post other than the one immediately above it I would have quoted it or made it more obvious. That game was two days ago. - was in reference to the only game that was two days prior. I was talking to Legge. I didn't know you considered yourself a PAC 10 basher, but honestly I was just messing with Legge.
#2 You come across as a casual, versus die-hard, fan to me. No insult in that. Look, I don't paint my face, don't wear a USC jersey to watch the game, and don't go into bouts of depression when they lose. I root for them to win and they are my favorite college team.
#3 Feeling a little sensitive, TB? - How can you make a post like this and then turn around and try to condemn what I said? What you said doesn't even make sense. There was no opinion you made that I disagreed with. I don't have to stoop to making rude comments because I disagree with someone. I state my opinion and if it gets to be too lame, I bail on the conversation.
Honestly, IIRC, you did the same thing last year and then started preaching about the thread going in the wrong direction. Please, take the sensitive drama back to the politics forum. I will talk football and hopefully you will talk football. I won't question whether you are feeling sensitive or if you are a casual fan. Matter of fact, I highly doubt you see another post made by me directed towards you in any manner.
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| | | 52 | Promize@Parents
ID: 31841217
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 07:49
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Well lets start with my GA Dawgs... After watching them play Western Carolina this week and watching Florida play Tennessee... No hope for this year.
Defense has been surprisingly good, but our offense is horrible. With the offense being horrible that will mean our defense will be on the field way to much and will weaken in the second half and definitely 4th qtrs.
Our remaining schedule is brutal to say the least...
Alabama(still don't know about them)
Ole Miss(eh)
Tennessee(well, they can't beat any rank teams yet)
Vanderbilt(beat us at home last year)
Florida(good lord, could be brutal)
Troy(sneaky team who plays a lot of big school teams well)
Auburn(Ha, at this point it might be a crushing.. but we always seem to beat each other at each others home field. Auburn at GA this year)
Kentucky(Just beat Louisville)
GA Tech(Over hyped? Finally played someone good and loss)
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Auburn losing yesterday, love it, means for a fun Monday at work. I live on the GA/AL border.
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My other beloved team, Mizzou looking pretty good, but a weak defense hurts them. Sure, they can put up the numbers, problem is they love to give up the numbers as well. Weak schedule this year though sort of. Tough matchups with OK and Nebraska.
Chase Daniels putting up huge numbers this year though
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Now don't get to crazy on these boards, this could always happen to you:
Ouch!!!!!
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| | | 53 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 09:21
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Totally not directed at KKB:
I am so glad I don't have to listen to the freaking Auburn fans at work crowing about their team all season. I was so sick of that by the end of last year that I began to seriously hate Auburn (they're in my second tier now, with Georgia and Notre Dame, but still well behind first tier members Florida State and Tennessee). The LSU fans are quickly filling the void, but for the time being no one's making too much noise. On the other hand, LSU looks unlikely to stumble.
I know the Gators were fired up yesterday, but the Vols shot themselves in the feet all game long. Troy State rampaged all over our defense in the third quarter of Game 2, and I see no reason why UT couldn't have done the same. Dropped passes, penalties, stupid running plays all contributed to it. Ainge is having some kind of problem on a lot of those touch passes--his broken finger is likely the culprit. Tennessee seems to be in for a long season, so I'm not going to go wild about our prospects after that victory just yet. The mid-term exam for the SEC comes on October 6 in Baton Rouge. We'll see how the Gators play when they face a high level opponent inside of a Coliseum full of hostile fans.
It's nice to know we'll have Auburn to kick around the week before; we owe those guys from last year.
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| | | 54 | Perm Dude
ID: 59831168
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 09:32
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#51: Jeez, I forgot one smiley and see what happens? The "sensitive" comment was to be accompanied by a smiley. That, I think, changes the tone, don't you think? No offense intended then, TB.
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| | | 55 | leggestand
ID: 258301215
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 09:36
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A couple additional thoughts about yesterday...
What a smackdown put on UCLA by Utah. I can't say I am that surprised UCLA lost, but I certainly didn't see 44-6 coming. Yikes for any Bruins fans out there, that kind of loss can spiral a season.
The Bama vs Arkansas game was unbelievable. I was rooting for Bama (I pretty much root for upsets across the board unless Ohio State or Michigan are playing) and thought they had blown it. I have to imagine that Arkansas would of won if McFadden, who was running all over the Tide, could of played on the last drive to pick up a 1st down.
Looking at the season so far, we could be staring at 3-5 undefeated teams: LSU or Florida, USC, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and OSU/Wisconsin/Penn State. The 3 Big 10 teams are certainly the weakest of the bunch, but any of them have a shot at running the table. From what I have seen so far, the most exciting championship matchup would be USC vs the SEC winner, and Florida got by one test with flying colors yesterday.
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| | | 56 | Promize
ID: 55223275
Sat, Sep 22, 2007, 23:37
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SEC football, gotta love it...
Ole Miss puts a little scare in Florida..
South Carolina holds their own against LSU
Kentucky over Arkansas
My Dawgs silencing 93000 sad little Alabama fans...
Hey even Auburn won. LOL
Whew... what a day...
Almost better then GA's win, love seeing how pathetic Notre Dame is... Some how, because the rating system is so bad, they will win one game and be in the Top 25 this year.
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| | | 57 | smallwhirled
ID: 57812412
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 13:07
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Great SEC games last week. UGA-Alabama was a great game.
How crazy would it be for Michigan to win the Big 10? Possible. I still really like Mallet.
FSU opened -2 1/2 vs Alabama for the game this week. I'm confused about that one.
Ole Miss did scare Florida, but that was still a conference road game. Conference road games are still allowed to be tough every once in a while unless we are talking about playing Duke or Northwestern. They get a pass in my book. UF-LSU will be should be good in a few weeks.
Cal - Oregon should be good this week. Dennis Dixon is for real.
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| | | 58 | smallwhirled
ID: 57812412
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 14:10
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Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State head coach, had the tirade of the year.
It's worth finding this.
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| | | 59 | Slizz
ID: 498402211
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 20:55
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yea he did...its almost as good as denny green's meltdown after the Bears historic comeback...
http://deadspin.com/sports/oklahoma-state/mike-gundy-lectures-the-oklahoman-newspaper-302766.php
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| | | 60 | smallwhirled
ID: 57812412
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 23:36
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I just saw a promo for the Saturday night game on ESPN. Guess who's playing?
USC, again!
Ya know, I would've thought that ESPN, errr, ABC, errr, Disney would at least put the game of the day (Cal-Orgeon) on primetime Saturday.
Don't you think we've been force-fed this enough? Not that I don't want to see that game or anything, but come on.
Rant over.
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| | | 61 | Slizz
ID: 498402211
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 23:47
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I wholeheartedly agree! I mean how could you put crappy USC/U-Dub over that!
We all know USC is gonna win by like 40-50 points and just stomp U-Dub at the Coliseum.
But hey...ABC loves USC...maybe even more then Mark May.
I didnt even watch that game on saturday b/c I was thinking, ehh USC is gonna win like 56-10 or something like that. I get the feeling its gonna be that way again vs crappy washington.
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| | | 62 | leggestand
ID: 68112520
Sat, Sep 29, 2007, 23:52
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Wow, what a day of college football. A massacre of the top 10. I looked at the schedule for the weekend last Wednesday, and after seeing there were only two matchups of ranked teams, I figured this weekend would be pretty quiet.
Ohio State has somehow stumbled into the top 5, and given the state of the Big 10, OSU has as legitimate of a shot as any to go undefeated (only three road games left. PSU, UM, and Purdue, all are certainly winnable).
I have to admit that I was pulling big for Auburn, and was glad they won. I also need to harp on how much I hate the timeout as a kick is being taken. It's certainly within the rules, and I am sure Ohio State would do it, too, but I still hate it.
As a Buckeye fan, I didn't think we'd even sniff the top 5 this year, but we should be sitting at 4 on Monday. Good grief.
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| | | 63 | Perm Dude
ID: 328512916
Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 00:28
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Most of the teams I was rooting for (including Washington, Alabama, Rutgers) all lost. I was hoping Penn State would turn it around, but they look like top-25 pretenders this year. I think LSU will tighten the lead USC had, but it will probably still be USC/LSU. Probably California, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Oklahoma.
Kentucky with a nice game will probably move into the top 10.
I also need to harp on how much I hate the timeout as a kick is being taken. It's certainly within the rules, and I am sure Ohio State would do it, too, but I still hate it.
It's how my Brownies lost last week. :(
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| | | 64 | Seattle Zen
ID: 86541617
Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 00:38
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We all know USC is gonna win by like 40-50 points and just stomp U-Dub at the Coliseum.
Uhh, WRONG! It was a great game.
crappy washington
You've got the wrong thread. This is college football, NFC East can be discussed else where.
I watched Husky Stadium come back to life, reviving it's reputation as one of the toughest stadiums to visit. USC kept shooting themselves in the foot. You know, if this was last year, before the instant replay, the game would have been tied as the Huskies would have been awarded an interception in the end zone. Damn technology!
The Cal v. Oregon game was also outstanding. USC v. Cal will be the best pre-bowl game of the year, in my mind.
Leggy - post 40
But I still think that Penn State, Wisconsin, and OSU could go out and beat any team in the SEC on any given day.
I think you can safely remove Penn State from that list.
I haven't quite decided if there is simply greater parity across College Football like there has been the last couple years in Hoops, or if there simply are not very many great teams this year. We could have a real obvious One verses Two at the end of the year with two undefeateds or we could have five or six one-loss squads and a complete disaster.
I'm with Kirk Herbstreet right now, but with -
USC number One
LSU
Cal
Ohio State
Oregon
The Ducks looked very good.
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| | | 65 | leggestand
ID: 68112520
Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 07:58
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Penn State can probably be removed from the list. Three turnovers in the redzone against Illinois would kill any team, though.I was with PD and hoping Penn State would turn it around, but it wasn't to be. Wisconsin also doesn't look great at this point, but they will probably be #5 this week by default.
As for Herbstreit moving LSU to #1 because "USC didn't dominate," he must of missed the first half of the Tulane/LSU game. It was 9-7 Tulane at halftime, so, I think we can also say "LSU didn't dominate and shouldn't jump USC."
My top 10 this week:
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Cal
4. Ohio State
5. Wisconsin
6. BC
7. South Florida (the highest ranked Florida school!)
8. Florida
9. Kentucky
10. Oklahoma
That isn't my list of "best" teams, just my list of how I think it will shake out this week. Anyone else got any top 10 guesses for the week?
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| | | 66 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 08:20
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1. USC
2. Cal
3. LSU
4. South Florida
5. Ohio State
6. Kentucky
7. Boston College
8. Wisconsin
9. Cincininati
10. Purdue
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| | | 67 | GolfFreak
Leader
ID: 01730209
Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 10:46
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But I still think that Penn State, Wisconsin, and OSU could go out and beat any team in the SEC on any given day.
You can take the Badgers off there as well. As a Badger fan. We are ranked to high. Are DEF isnt last years. I agree dont think we could take the Ducks as of right now. Bye the end of season maybe.
USC
LSU
Cal
Ohio State
Boston College
South Florida
Oregon
Kentucky
Wisconsin
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| | | 68 | TB
ID: 538192913
Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 11:20
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Just for fun, my guess at the rankings after this week.
USC
LSU
Cal
Ohio State
Boston College
Wisconsin
Kentucky
Florida
Oregon
Oklahoma
South Florida
West Virginia
Texas
Georgia
Hawaii
South Carolina
Virginia Tech
Missouri
Nebraska
AZ State
Clemson
Purdue
Cincinnati
Kansas State
UCLA
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| | | 69 | leggestand
ID: 68112520
Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 14:43
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SZ, TB, and Herbstreit: I understand that Oregon looks good this year, but I can't remember ever seeing a team move up in the rankings after a loss, particularly a loss at home. Whether it's a "good loss" or not, I just don't remember seeing it happening and can't imagine it will happen. Oregon looks good, but they just lost at home and have to fall in he rankings.
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| | | 70 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 3498611
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 23:51
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Stanford 24 @ 23 USC (2)
From Yahoo: "Only 0% of College Pick'em users chose Stanford to win the game."
Wow!
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| | | 71 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 3498611
Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 23:52
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WAIT A SECOND!
My pick:
(2) USC 38.0 38.0 39.5 40.0 • Stanford Correct
I'm part of the 0%!!!
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| | | 72 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 08:32
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In back to back weeks, has there everyone been such a shake up in Rankings?
Crazy year...
South Carolina leads SEC East
Missouri and Kansas only undefeated teams in Big 12
Kentucky for awhile atleast is in the top 25
Tons of monumental upsets in one year... What is your most shocking one?
What else is crazy that you have witnessed this year?
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| | | 73 | Slizz
ID: 3943710
Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 13:21
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Head Ball Coach - how can you not love that guy??
South Carolina can ball...and if they beat UF (like they should have last year) they most likely will be a BCS at large team.
I am a hater, so hear me out. Rutgers is vastly overrated. They scheduled a bunch of cream puffs and beat up on crappy teams last year and got lucky on a couple wins. They are like the New Orleans Saints of college football. They are just another reason why I hate the rankings so early on in the season...
Biggest surprise to me is SOUTH FLORIDA IN THE TOP 5!!!!!!!!! I mean that Grothe kid can ball...but lets be serious here, does anyone actually think South Florida is a top 5 caliber team??
Anyone have a sleeper bandwagon team they just want to jump on and ride for the year?? (besides my obvious man-crush on spurrier) I do...the FIGHTING ZOOKERS BABY! How can you not want to route for them?? They were terrible last season and finally Ron Zook is getting some credit after a tough draw at UF.
Anyways here is my rankings going into this week
1. LSU
2. Ohio State
3. Cal
4. South Carolina
5. Boston College - ugh, so overrated, but you gotta put em here b/c of their record!
6. South Florida - I like south florida, but they are not a top 10 team IMHO. See above.
7. Oklahoma
8. West Virginia
9. Oregon
10. Kentucky
11. USC
12. Virginia Tech
13. Wisconsin
14. Florida
15. Missouri
16. Hawaii
17. Arizona State
18. Cincinnati
19. Florida State
20. Fightin' Zookers (Illini)
21. Georgia
22. Texas
23. Michigan
24. Auburn
25. Kansas
Its so hard to rank 20-25 b/c of all the losses...cant put the "U" there...I think Michigan State is solid, but not a top 25 team....cant put UConn there b/c of their creampuff schedule...and on a neutral field, I'd take Auburn 10x/10 over them. Colorado??? maybe...who knows thats my 25 and i am stickin to it!
TB - thank you for not including that garbage in New Brunswick in your previous weeks rankings!
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| | | 74 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 3498611
Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 20:20
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does anyone actually think South Florida is a top 5 caliber team??
I'm definitely an Auburn fan through and through, but while it's questionable if South Florida is actually a Top 5 team, they certainly deserve to be there.
They beat then-#17 Auburn on the road and while Auburn tumbled out of the top 25 because people at the time thought USF was a cream puff, the pollsters and fans at large have had to give that game a bit of another analysis in hindsight.
They then went on to beat then-#5 WVU at home. We can go on and on and on about whether or not WVU is/was overrated, but one thing that is hard to question is the WVU offense. And yet USF held WVU to 13 points, despite giving up 437 total yards. Bend, but don't break.
The interesting thing to me about USF is that if they don't get too full of themselves and keep their focus, they could actually run the table. With tough games ahead for those in front of them, they could easily be a top 3 team by the end of the season and then they could prove themselves in a BCS game, like Boise State.
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| | | 75 | Slizz
ID: 57922317
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 00:21
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dont get me wrong, SW will vouch for me on this...I do indeed like south florida, but I honestly dont feel they are a dominant team. I do agree that b/c they are undefeated and did beat WVU and Auburn on the road that they deserve to be there...but I think there are better 1 loss teams there. It must be noted that their head coach leavitt is one of the better ones in the NCAA. He is recruiting (to quote dan shanoff) the sloppy fourths/leftovers from Florida, Florida State, and the "U".
As to your WVU offense assesment...its amazing that they are 15-1 vs all other opponents besides south florida over the past two seasons. I think their schedule definitely sets up nicely for them to make a BCS bowl...and they're going to have to pull for Rutgers, assuming they beat them...to beat WVU...then it should be smooth sailing to the BCS.
What is extremely surprising about the most recent polls is how USC still is a top 10 team and Wisconsin fell so far...and wisconsin lost to a team that is a last second loss away from being undefeated (illini vs mizzou). USC LOST TO STANFORD!!!!! Is USC better then Wisc...oh hell yes, but whats fair is fair. USC lost @ home to, as of late, a TERRIBLE football program. Wisconsin lost to one of the hotter teams in college football. Then again, I have USC #11 so I should shut up now!
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| | | 76 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 01:02
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How Harbaugh can take those "misfits" and take them on the road and beat USC is probably a bigger upset than Michigan losing to a Div. 2 team.
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| | | 77 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 08:57
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This is what's surprising to me:
South Carolina
AP: 7th
USAToday: 12th
USC
AP: 10th
USAToday: 7th
Just makes no sense to me. USC lost at home to Stanford. South Carolina is 1st in the SEC East (ahead of Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee) and only lost on the road to LSU, the #1 team in the nation.
And besides the swapped positions, it's surprising to me that there's that much of a discrepancy in the two polls. 7th to 12th is a fairly large difference for a 1-loss team leading an SEC division.
Then again, last week it was 11th compared to 18th...
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| | | 78 | Sludge
ID: 16109168
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 11:31
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Ref -
App. State isn't Division 2. They're I-AA (or Championship Series, or whatever the hell it's called now.)
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| | | 79 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 11:35
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KKB - I was wondering that yesterday if someone got their USC's mixed up?
App State is still the bigger upset...by far IMO.
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| | | 80 | smallwhirled
ID: 5095348
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:00
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Might be, but will you at least mention that they were similar in magnitude? Because they were.
I'm not really going to get involved in a long winded-post because it usually comes out with a bias from my mouth or words.
I just hate the rebounding nature of preseason top-tier 1 loss teams. They don't get hurt because pollsters don't want to justify that they were wrong.
A lot of sorting out still needs to happen, it's still quite early. There are still a lot of teams with a lot to prove and might have an opportunity, especially my team with @Wake (thurs), Miami, @BC, @VT, Maryland, @UF on the regular season schedule to go.
I'm still a bit annoyed how my team lost on the road in a hostile environment by 6 with a different QB and only really lost 1 quarter in that game due to an inordinate number of missed tackles and still hasn't rebounded. So what's FSU ranked if they didn't lose that game? 4-6 the way things have panned out so far? That loss was over a month ago, and they've dropped much farther than teams that just lost this week to teams that were arguably worse.
Same principles? Nah.
There are no really great teams this year, and there haven't been any really great teams for a while. If you are the USC Trojans, and you are a dynasty, then you don't lose games to unranked teams every year. That shouldn't happen.
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| | | 81 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:08
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well app state's championship team went to LSU two seasons ago and gave the tigers all they could handle en route to a 24-0 loss . They are no slouches, hence the "championship series" back to back titles...so that is why I agree with Ref, that Stanford over SC is the upset of the year. I mean this is the first time in 36 home games USC has lost in LA!!!!
As for App. State, Michigan loses to them, out of the top 25. 41 point dog Stanford beats USC, still a top 10 team.
Let me break this down assuming USC runs the table:
Just assume LSU has a heartbreaking SEC loss somewhere along the season...they will most likely drop below USC.
Ohio State possibly loses to Michigan (doubtful, but possible).
Boston College - When BC eventually loses (they have a tough stretch to closeout the season: @ ND, @ VT, vs FSU, @ MD, @ Clemson, and vs The "U"...USC will leapfrog them.
South Florida - I just dont think South Florida can run the table...if they do, god bless, but I can see them tripping up somewhere along the way...Note - Grothe is like Vince Young on the Titans: despite all the turnovers he has caused in recent weeks, he still puts the team in a position to win at the end of the game.
We wont talk about the rest b/c based on BCS rankings (eliminates South Carolina, West Virginia & South Florida), SC will leapfrog all of them and it will be either Oklahoma/Ohio State vs USC in a rematch which is total garbage b/c of SOS. In a way I hope that happens even if South Florida runs the table b/c there will almost HAVE to be a playoff system implemented.
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| | | 82 | C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:16
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This year more than ever points out what a crock the polls are. This "shouldn't" be happening. There isn't any parity in college football, but it goes to show that just because some writer thinks one team is better than another doesn't mean it will play out on the field that way.
Decide it on the field. Until then, it's a popularity contest.
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| | | 83 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:31
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USC should not be ranked in the top 10. That is absurd.
On a different note, I'm somewhat surprised Michael Crabtree, WR from Texas Tech, isn't receiving much publicity. The man already set the freshmen record for TD receptions in a year and is on pace to shatter every receiving record out there. He currently has 70 receptions for 1074 yards and 17 TDs. Graham Harrell, QB from Texas Tech, is also leading the nation in passing. I'm guessing these guys will start to get some more publicity starting this weekend after we stomp Texas A&M.
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| | | 84 | smallwhirled
ID: 5095348
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:46
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AP College Poll Voters
Go ahead and scroll down to Craig James at the bottom. Shocking.
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| | | 85 | Perm Dude
ID: 47913713
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 12:49
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Crabtree looks to be good, but scoring multiple touchdowns against the likes of Northwestern State, SMU, and Rice isn't helping his case. Many fans (myself included) think of it more as "piling on" than anything else.
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| | | 86 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 17:07
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Anyone know how to find out who voted (2) THE Ohio State University #1 in the coaches poll?
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| | | 87 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 17:11
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Two words for you PD: KLIFF KINGSBURY. Thats why those guys wont really get much credit. Leach has a great system which puffs alot of stats often making the players value misleading in terms of heisman voting. I know this convo had nothing to do with the heisman, but every year we all know the QB for Texas Tech is gonna put up monster #'s.
I will say I think Crabtree plays on Sundays though...I believe he was a 4 star recruit and top 25 WR coming out of HS though...
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| | | 89 | C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 17:21
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Four more words:
Andre Ware, gimmick offense
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| | | 90 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Mon, Oct 08, 2007, 17:52
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I see where you guys are coming from. It just makes me laugh when a guy like Colt Brennan, in another "gimmick" offense, gets publicity. I am a Texas Tech student though and will readily admit up-front to being biased. :-)
Crabtree played one series in the 4th quarter in each of the SMU and Rice games. He also didn't play in the 4th quarters of NW ST or Iowa State games. He did catch a TD in that one series of the Rice game, but almost all of his production(minus 1 catch and 1 TD) has come in what amounts to 5 games. I guess you could call it piling up in the first 3 quarters of each of those 4 games, but I'd rather call it impressive. ;-)
I do understand the, "who they hell has Tech played," argument which is why I said I was only somewhat surprised. If Crabtree keeps this kind of production up against the likes of A&M, Missouri, UT and OU, he'll see plenty of publicity.
What is ironic about the whole thing is that it was Crabtree who dropped a tough, but catchable 4th down pass in the closing minute against OSU that cost Tech that game. Otherwise, we'd be undefeated. I have to remind myself that this guy is a freshmen, but that still stings.
I'm excited to see how the rest of the season turns out. The Big 12 is up-for-grabs this year. Wreck Em Tech :-D
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| | | 91 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 13:59
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You see the t-shirts offered to Tech students???
Its blocked at my work site, but they are selling red t-shirts with black insignia saying on the back "VICK EM" and showing a red raider hanging a dog...definitely beyond offensive, but nevertheless funny!
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| | | 93 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Tue, Oct 09, 2007, 22:24
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Haha yea, I didn't expect that to last for very long.
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| | | 94 | Perm Dude
ID: 1951116
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:25
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Texas A&M coach busted in for-pay newsletter service for boosters
A&M reported that the Web site and e-mails generated about $80,000 between 2005 and 2007. The school said Franchione's net profit was $37,806.32.
Well, that's a very exact number. But with $80K coming in, what was costing him $40K in doing this?
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| | | 95 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 11:21
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I haven't had much time to comment on USC, but now that it's Friday, I do. USC dropping only to 10/7 is an outrage. Michigan lost to 1-AA Appalachian State and dropped out of the top 25. Stanford is not a much better team than Appalachian State, yet USC only drops to 10. Losing to a team like Stanford (especially at home), should eliminate you from any shot at the national championship game. Unfortunately, USC is still alive and well, and could make the national championship, or even win it!
Let's see, if:
LSU goes undefeated, they are in the championship game.
If USC wins out, they will knock Cal and Oregon out of the race.
Ohio State can easily lose a game against Illinios, Wisconsin, Michigan, or Penn State, knocking them out.
I think most people agree that BC and South Florida will pick up a loss, knocking them out (BC's schedule may force them to lose 2-3 games by the time it's over).
South Carolina would lose to LSU in the SEC Championship, as the assumptions above assume LSU wins out, and this knocks South Carolina out.
Even if West Virginia wins out, they probably won't be above USC in BCS rankings, particularly because USC would of beaten Cal and Oregon, which will bolster their SOS.
Oklahoma has a good shot of going undefeated, but they would need to win their conference championship game, which makes their road tougher.
That's our top 10 teams, and the road is paved so that USC has a decent shot of making the national championship game. They should of dropped at least out of the top 15, if not out of the top 20, because it will be terrible to have a team that lost to Stanford have a shot at winning the whole thing.
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| | | 96 | C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 12:37
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I heard from someone who subscribed to the newsletter that there was very little substance to it. All game relevant information was released to the press in a timely manner- usually before the newsletter came out.
Game irrelevant information was extremely irrelevant, but verrrry insider- Reggie McNeal is rooming with Mark Dodge at the hotel this weekend (Oooo! What a hot tip that is!).
During the season Coach Fran had little "real" input into it, anyway. It was written and sent by his personal media assistant (for lack of a better term), Mike McKenzie.
The newsletter was McKenzie's idea in the first place. According to my source, McKenzie approached a group and inquired if they may be interested in subscribing to something of this nature.
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| | | 97 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 14:03
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Legge -
USC absolutely should remain in the top 10. There are many teams that have one loss and I am not alone in thinking that USC is the best of that lot.
Most college football fans want some sort of playoff. You seem to be an exception. Your argument - a team that loses a game to Stanford should not be allowed to have a chance of winning the National Championship even if they go to two Top 10 teams' home field and beat them - assumes that there would either be eight teams that have stronger credentials for a playoff spot (absurd) or that no team should be considered the best team in the nation in a poll after a humiliation at the hands of a sub-par team. The BCS is a small step away from the myopic poll-based national championship system you continue to promote.
Legge, so if LSU wins out and South Florida also finishes without a loss, you would rather see SFU take on LSU for the National Championship than a USC team that went into Berkeley and Autzen Stadium and whomped two Top Ten teams? You would rather see a second tiered team without any real impressive victories, West Virgina is not that great of a team, get their asses handed to them by LSU than see a one loss powerhouse like USC or perhaps a one loss Ohio State matchup?
South Florida is much like Boise State last year: feel good story, certainly could upset a strong team, but not one of the elite squads.
If USC makes the championship game and beats LSU or whomever, they are certainly the best team in the nation. If Boston College faces South Florida in the championship game, I really don't care who wins and I doubt I would watch it.
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| | | 98 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 14:20
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USF is much better than Boise State, at least credentials-wise. They have beaten West Virginia and Auburn, who are both better than anyone Boise State beat last year prior to the Fiesta Bowl. While this is clearly an up year for the Pac-10, I'd argue there is not much difference between this year's Big East and the Pac-10 in some of the years that USC made the title game.
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| | | 99 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 15:25
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USC absolutely should remain in the top 10.
SZ, Losing to Stanford at home is fairly similar to losing to App St at home like Michigan. Michigan dropped out of the top 25, USC dropped to #10/7. My larger point was that USC received special treatment over Michigan.
Most college football fans want some sort of playoff. You seem to be an exception.
On the contrary, I would love a playoff, but my post assumes that there will be no playoff this year, so, I don't see why talking about one in my scenario has any relevance. If anything, if USC wins the national championship, it will further expose the sham that are the BCS and voting and hopefully moves us to a playoff system faster.
For the sake of argument, though, (in case you ask the question), if a playoff system was in place, I wouldn't care who USC lost to...with one loss they should be in it and I wouldn't gripe about rankings as much as I do now.
SZ - Unfortunately, the rest of your post sounds great, but it's also not very relevant. Would I rather see USC vs LSU than USF vs. LSU? Certainly. Should that be the national championship if USF goes undefeated? Certainly not.
Who you'd rather see in the national championship game has no relevance to the debate. Heck, I'd love to see Florida vs USC more than USF vs Boston College for the national championship. College football, though, is, and has always been of the frame of mind of whoever can survive the season, will make the national championship game. This isn't Breaking News, and the championship game seldom pits the two best teams against each other (the only exceptions I remember in the past 10 years are Texas vs USC and OSU vs Miami...a 20% ratio is hardly a success).
USC has a TERRIBLE loss, that in the current format, they should have no shot at the national championship. If Michigan only had one loss to App St and were in the same position as USC, I'd be ticked about the rankings just as much. A good loss shouldn't kill your title shot (see Florida last season), but a bad loss should.
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| | | 100 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 15:33
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I'm sorry, but comparing a Pac-10 team to a Div-IAA team is preposterous no matter how bad Stanford may be.
Second, Michigan should have NEVER been ranked number 5. This season the pollsters faired very poorly in predicting who would be the best teams in the pre-season. Michigan, Louisville, and Texas were all horribly overrated. Thankfully, when Michigan was exposed, they dropped significantly. USC is a great team that lost a bad game. Michigan is a mediocre team that did not deserve their number 5 ranking. There is no bias or mistake in what happened to them.
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| | | 101 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:16
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SZ - your bias comes out pretty big in that last post. USC was hardly convincing in their win over Washington the week prior and then lost to Stanford at home. I think it's safe to say USC can be included in the "Michigan, Louisville, and Texas" group of teams that were overrated; the pollsters have just lost their mind because of the craziness of the season.
I seriously don't see how there is any defense for a loss to Stanford, which you seem to be implying when you say it was simply a "bad loss.' A bad loss?!?!? It was to a perennial doormat to a conference. In todays game, it's Ohio State losing to Northwestern, it's Florida/LSU losing to Ole Miss, it's Oklahoma losing to Baylor, it's BC losing to Duke. It's as bad a loss as you can take...Stanford even had a backup QB in!!!
Contrary to popular opinion, there are 1-AA teams that are better than 1-A teams...the last place 1-A team is likely not better than the first place 1-AA team; they just fall in different divisions. I stand by that Stanford is a TERRIBLE team, and I believe they would take a few losses if they were in the 1-AA division this year.
You also failed to respond to the rest of my post and focused on 3 sentences out of 25...was it because I was right in my thoughts?
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ID: 136523110
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:23
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The list of great teams who have lost to teams as bad as Stanford at home is pretty short. Of the last 12 or so champs, here's the list of teams they lost to. Completely off the top of my head:
Florida - @Auburn
Texas - none
USC - none
LSU - vs. Florida, USC @Cal
Ohio State - none
Miami - none
Oklahoma - none
FSU - none
Tennessee - none
Nebraka - none, Michigan - none
Florida - @FSU
Nebraska - none
Nebraska - none
FSU - @Notre Dame
In other words, in recent history, there is no precedent for a team with a loss like USC's winning a title. USC was clearly overrated to begin the season.
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| | | 103 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:38
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I agree, Razor. Win the national championship with a bad loss, not so big a deal. Lose to a scrub team, then you should have no shot at winning the national title (if playoffs were in, I retract that comment). Unfortunately, USC still has a shot that I don't think they should. Maybe they will just lose again and it will further their "overratedness" (word???).
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| | | 104 | leggestand
ID: 54918810
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 20:17
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LSU goes down to Kentucky. I can't really say it was a huge upset, but this year has been incredible in terms of who is winning and who is losing. OSU should be #2 going into next week...doesn't mean much because I assumed that they would start 8-0 (post 40), and they still need to get through Penn State (away), Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan (away) to go undefeated, which is likely their only shot of making the national championship. It'll be a tough stretch.
I think LSU still has a very good shot at the national championship, and I'd be surprised if they drop lower than 6 this week.
SZ - Are you still holding onto your beliefs about USC being a great team, or can we now agree that they were also overrated after today's third straight disappointing performance?
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| | | 105 | Slizz
ID: 53991319
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 21:29
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Now let me ask you this:
Does USC leapfrog LSU in the college FB rankings??? I sure hope not!
Also, Kentucky deserves to be ranked about USC too...their only loss was to the "Head Ball Coach"...another top 10 team. I mean USC was down 13-10 to ARIZONA!!!! Yes, ARIZONA of all teams in the 4th before McKnights punt return, which led to a Fred Davis TD.
Either way, I think they should do some type of a playoff...even a +1 game would be acceptable.
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| | | 106 | leggestand
ID: 54918810
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 23:03
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Goodness gracious. I just got home from a late night dinner, and I see Cal has also fallen today. OSU is now #1.
Slizz - I don't think USC will move up much, if anything at all. My vote is for them to move down. My top 10 for next week are:
1 - OSU
2 - USF - Shocking
3 - BC
4 - LSU
5 - Oklahoma
6 - South Carolina
7 - Cal
8 - Oregon
9 - WVU
10 - VTech
I have USC at 12 behind Kentucky at 11.
Crazy, crazy year and we're only 7 weeks in.
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| | | 107 | C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 23:21
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Allow myself to repeat, uh, myself:
This year more than ever points out what a crock the polls are. This "shouldn't" be happening. There isn't any parity in college football, but it goes to show that just because some writer thinks one team is better than another doesn't mean it will play out on the field that way.
Decide it on the field. Until then, it's a popularity contest.
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| | | 108 | TB
ID: 8926512
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 23:50
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SZ - Are you still holding onto your beliefs about USC being a great team, or can we now agree that they were also overrated after today's third straight disappointing performance?
With all the great football action today and upsets, you still want to talk about USC? You do realize that Booty broke his finger last week and didn't play today so Sanchez, who has maybe a dozen passes in his college career, had to step in. USC hasn't hit their groove yet, but a win is a win. Lots of ugly conference wins every week, but this is the only one worthy of being talked about?
Lots of football to still be played so I'm not too worried about rankings. I'm a lot more worried about the remainder of our tough conference schedule.
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| | | 109 | Perm Dude
ID: 339281310
Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 23:56
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Some great games today. Watched Rutgers roll over Syracuse, and UK beat LSU. Was flipping around watching BC beat Notre Dame as well, though ND didn't look as badly as I thought they would.
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| | | 113 | leggestand
ID: 54918810
Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 09:49
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Um, TB, I posted about multiple things, and you ask why USC is the "only worthy thing to post about?" I have talked about Kentucky, LSU, USC, Cal, and my top 10 rankings in my last posts, so, I can only say you shouldn't pick and choose one sentence and say that's all I am talking about. The defensiveness you and SZ show anytime someone says something negative about USC is out of control. I mean, I am a diehard OSU fan, but I am also pretty realistic about them being good, lucky, or overrated.
Right now, at #1, OSU is overrated. They probably aren't the best team in the country, but they have survived the season so far to get the position. If they can get through the season undefeated, though, they certainly deserve to be in the national championship. If OSU lost to Northwestern earlier, and then skated by Purdue and Minnesota, I wouldn't try and fool myself into thinking that we actually were the top team in the country if we could just get through our conference with one loss.
You do realize that Booty broke his finger last week and didn't play today so Sanchez, who has maybe a dozen passes in his college career, had to step in. USC hasn't hit their groove yet, but a win is a win.
You can't have your cake and eat it, too, is the quote that comes to mind in regards to that. Stanford had a backup QB in and beat USC. Doesn't it make that upset even the more unbelievable and illustrates that USC just isn't that great, particularly if you are going to use the same thought for USC's poor performance yesterday?
And I apologize that this entire post was about USC, but, seriously, if you and SZ wouldn't stick to yor guns about how great USC is, then I wouldn't post about them because we'd all be of the same opinion. But, they just aren't that good this year. Three games against average to below average teams, and they have scraped by with two wins and lost to the worst team in the bunch.
I'll stop posting on USC now, since I think we are inclined to agree to disagree. It has been an unbelievable season thus far, but, as C1 posted, this year, more than any other shows why a playoff is neccessary. Anyone can win any week, so, as long as we have an 8 team playoff, everyone will have to agree that whoever wins that, is the champion.
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| | | 114 | Slizz
ID: 53991319
Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 13:03
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Leggestand...not much to disagree with up there.
1 - OSU
2 - BC
3 - South Florida (hard for me to rank them above LSU, but an undefeated record + two wins vs top 20 teams is good enough IMHO)
4 - LSU (triple OT loss to a SEC team on the road...shouldnt move far down...BUT IF THEY MOVE BELOW USC, I wont ever consider the polls relevant)
5 - Oklahoma (coin flip...loss vs colorado is worse then kentucky vs LSU)
6 - South Carolina (HEAD BALL COACH SON!)
7 - WVU
8 - Kentucky (Kentucky lost to SCAR but beat #1...Cal beat oregon but lost to oregon st.)
9 - Cal
10 - Oregon
Only thing about Ohio State is that they've been the most consistent all season long. Every week its defense defense and more defense with a solid move the ball, bend but dont break, defense. They deserve the #1, as does BC for getting #2. Its doubtful BC will last much longer up there due to their murderers row schedule to finish the season: Miami, Maryland, VT, Florida State, & Clemson...I think at least one loss is looming which will drop em in the rankings. South Florida just has Rutgers, Louisville, and I believe Cincy left in their way en route to a BCS berth.
I cant believe Cal lost and didnt at least force overtime. How can a bluechip QB recruit not know with 12 seconds on the clock, the last hting you want to do is get sacked or get tackled in bounds!!!! What a wacky year in football. The Cal loss was so stupid! How can they be that dumb. Nevetheless, they should be ranked above USC too.
TB - the reason why we are bitching (hope this post doesnt get deleted) about USC is b/c they lost to a team in which they were a 40 point favorite and still made the top 10 while Michigan lost to a team, in which they would arguably be a 40 point favorite too and got dropped from the rankings all together. I think its pretty obvious michigan will not have a chance to play for the national championship...however they will get the chance at a BCS bowl. I believe, as most of this board would argue, the same standard should be applied to USC too. Sanchez or not, they have no business even being in a game with Arizona. RUN THE BALL! WHO CARES!
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| | | 115 | leggestand
ID: 54918810
Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 14:49
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Slizz - your rankings look pretty good. I am not sure how far up Kentucky will move, so, I have them slated at 11, but I also think they can go as high as 7 and jump teams like Cal, WVU, and Oregon. I think our top 6 is pretty much a lock...except I think USF will jump BC after a less than impressive win against ND. I don't even include BC in discussions on the national championship because they is no way they can't through that schedule unscathed. If they do, Ryan is the Heisman winner.
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| | | 116 | Perm Dude
ID: 35958149
Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 15:11
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South Florida just has Rutgers, Louisville, and I believe Cincy left
I wouldn't dismiss any of those teams out-of-hand. Frankly, I think SFU (while making the most of their opportunities) are playing above themselves right now and are the darlings of the polls because of the inconsistency of other teams. I might come around if SFU beats Rutgers in NJ next weekend, though the following week they have CT, who isn't that bad this year. SFU has two patsies (Syracuse & Pitt) and three tough games left.
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| | | 117 | Slizz
ID: 53991319
Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 23:47
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USF has their work cut out for them this week. @ Rutgers...and if we know anything from last year, Louisville had a very difficult time playing there. I expect New Brunswick to be hoppin and alive this week also.
PD, here is one thing about South Florida...they always rise to the occasion. Look at West Virginia's record over the past 2 seasons. USF 0-2. Everyone else 15-1. Its going to be a grind it out game...and mike teel is going to have to step up if they are going to knock off the #2 BCS team.
For once, not much to complain about in the rankings. Arizona State is a surprise...but they'll be tested to see if they're worthy down the stretch. But Other then that, the only thing that stands out is KANSAS ABOVE USC!!! (Yea I am going to catch some crap for that, but I call a spade a spade when I see it! *laughs*) Their one signature win was over Kansas State...other then that, nothing! But then again, Rutgers did the same thing last year...built up on cupcakes to strengthen their BCS resume and even got into the top 10!
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| | | 118 | Razor
ID: 36936140
Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 00:06
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Kansas plays in a BCS conference with a title game. Nothing they do will be a fraud. If they somehow get deep into their schedule undefeated, they'll finish against Missouri and probably Oklahoma in the Big 12 Championship Game.
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| | | 119 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:22
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I watched a good portion of the USC v. Arizona game and USC looked meek, which surprised me. They have one of the greatest collection of athletes in the country, but they haven't played well at all the past few games. I was arguing that a USC team that goes into Berkeley and Eugene and wins both has to be considered one of the best teams in the country, but today I cannot see them winning both of those games.
This has been one of the most surprising college football seasons I can remember. When I was in high school my father suggested I consider going to UNLV and study to become a odds maker for the casinos. If I had gone that route, I'm sure I would have enjoyed that profession with the exception of this year, which would have made me gray and ulcerous.
I am sticking to my belief that the PAC-10 is the best conference in the nation. Cal, Oregon, USC, and Arizona St. are all great teams, and would win 3 of 4 games against LSU, So. Car., Kent., and UF. I think Ohio State and Oklahoma are great teams, not that enthused about BC or USF.
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| | | 120 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:01
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If I had gone that route, I'm sure I would have enjoyed that profession with the exception of this year, which would have made me gray and ulcerous.
LOL!
As for the best conference, that's always debateable. I still think the SEC is better, but the PAC 10 is not too far behind. No other conference though is close, and I wouldn't want OSU to play any of the top 4 teams from either conference in a bowl game. I am rooting for an OSU vs USF or BC championship, because those are our most winnable games. I am not too scared of OU either, but I am scared of possibly making the championship against LSU.
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ID: 426242722
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 12:11
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After last week's destruction of Texas A&M, Texas Tech's Graham Harrell and Michael Crabtree are finally starting to grab some national attention. That attention will only grow if we can knock of Missouri this week. The numbers these two guys put up every week is astounding. We have a big test coming up this weekend. Can't wait!
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| | | 122 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 00:11
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#2 South Florida goes down to Rutgers. This was an easy one to call, but even with that said, the year of the upsets continues...
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| | | 123 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 16:46
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From Peter Schrager's Wednesday Morning Buffet
The Michael Crabtree Experience: When Michael Crabtree — a standout at Carter High School in Dallas — committed to play at Texas Tech, there was some piqued interest in college football circles from coast to coast. A top recruit at wideout, he was pursued by some of the top teams in the nation. Guys like this don't often go to Texas Tech. Which begged the question: What would happen if you put an NFL prospect in Mike Leach's Red Raiders offensive system? Nothing against Wes Welker and Jarrett Hicks, but Crabtree's in another universe. What's he done so far?
By Oct. 6, Crabtree had already set an NCAA record for touchdowns by a freshman in a season with 17. The freshman added eight catches for 170 yards in Saturday's win over Texas A&M, though he didn't score any touchdowns. Just how ridiculous has Crabtree been? Try 78 catches, 1,244 yards and, of course, those 17 touchdowns.
And we're only in the second week of October.
As for the "Year of the Upset", USF played like crap and deserved to lose...but at the same time you hate to see a team get f'd out of a chance at the end by the Refs a la Seattle Seahawks in the Extra Large Super Bowl...
BUCKEYES BABY.
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| | | 124 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 18:43
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Texas Tech is a bunch of pretenders...once again.
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| | | 125 | Slizz
ID: 119162010
Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 11:47
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Auburn...man they are good on the road. seconds away from a massive upset considering they would take LSU out of the national championship chase...
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ID: 8857295
Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 12:01
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Perm Dude, you a Tech fan? Sorry my Mizzou boys had to embarras Graham that way... 4 interceptions again?? He did that last week. Interesting though, Mizzou did it with the run this week instead of the passing game....
Slizz, I live in Columbus, GA now... Which basically means there are Georgia, Auburn, Alabama and few Florida State fans... A lot of sad little faces in the bar last night when LSU pulled it out...
As well as being a big Mizzou Tigers fan, I'm just as big of a Georgia Dawgs fan. Going to the big cocktail party this weekend in Jaxs and can't wait for the two big homes games against Auburn and Kentucky... Georgia could really boost their rating if the beat Florida, Auburn, Kentucky Although they have two not so easy push over teams Troy and GA Tech as well.
SEC East is wide open, whoever wants it, better starting playing for it...
So even though Notre Dame is pathetic, how far do you think USC will jump back up in the standings... just because of them being Norte Dame they beat...
I still see many more Top 10 upsets to come...
Ohio State will fall last week in Michigan
BC will fall next week at VT
Oklahoma has a great road up till the Big 12 Championship
USC road is very hard...
At this point, I see Oklahoma vs. LSU?
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| | | 127 | leggestand
ID: 339561519
Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 12:15
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Three more top 10 teams fall. Not many surprises, though, except for Vandy over SC.
Ohio State turned a walk in the park to a nail biting 4th quarter without letting up an offensive TD, but I can't say I was really that nervous...I was more pissed off and yelling that they should just punt on 1st down.
Next week is the biggie for OSU, IMO. Penn State on the road has always been a challenge (I think we've lost 5 in 7). If we can get through Penn State, I think we will make the national championship...as long as our offense doesn't make too many mistakes like yesterday.
I can't believe how competitive the SEC has been. I watch every game until the end and you never know who is going to win.
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| | | 128 | Perm Dude
ID: 389182110
Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 12:18
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Promize, I like Tech hoops, but don't follow their football team too much except scanning the scoreboard.
For this year, about all we can say is that even the top teams have been so-so. "On any given Saturday" kind of thing, it looks like.
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| | | 129 | Slizz
ID: 119162010
Sun, Oct 21, 2007, 12:53
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well rankings are up:
USA Today Poll
1. Ohio State (58) 8-0 1,498
2. Boston College (2) 7-0 1,412
3. LSU 7-1 1,319
4. Oklahoma 7-1 1,306
5. Oregon 6-1 1,225
6. West Virginia 6-1 1,134
7. Arizona State 7-0 1,089
8. USC 6-1 1,060
9. Virginia Tech 6-1 1,052
10. Kansas 7-0 911
11. Florida 5-2 906
12. South Florida 6-1 813
13. Missouri 6-1 790
14. Hawaii 7-0 617
15. Kentucky 6-2 604
16. Texas 5-2 527
17. South Carolina 6-2 474
18. Virginia 7-1 466
19. Georgia 5-2 402
20. California 5-2 397
21. Michigan 6-2 325
22. Penn State 6-2 294
23. Auburn 5-3 179
24. Alabama 6-2 177
25. Wisconsin 6-2 105
Pollsters obviously believe USC deserves to be in the top 10 moreso then others...but then again with all the losses, can you really blame them?
I think VT should be above USC, but either way its not that big of a difference between #8 & #9.
I'm just upset that the head/ol' ball coach lost. I mean are you serious?!?!?! 6 points vs Vandy!?!??! You go into sanford stadium and beat the dawgs and cant beat crappy vanderbilt @ home...c'mon spurrier!
Although the refs helped Rutgers out a tad in the USF game...they deserve to be ranked...they got robbed.
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Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 19:48
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This would be a good year to schedule a slate like Hawaii's. They come off looking more impressive when they go undefeated. I know my subconscious wants to bump them up a notch because of that shiny "7-0".
I'm chomping at the bit for UF to represent the SEC East in the SEC title game. I would love another crack at Auburn or LSU.
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| | | 131 | Slizz
ID: 49362221
Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 23:36
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WAR EAGLE
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| | | 132 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 13:07
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I feel certain that BC will fall at Blacksburg, I wouldn't call it an upset. Well, this year nothing surprises me any more.
I don't see Ohio State losing. The Big Ten has now lost two games to Div. I-AA schools, the conference is pasty, anemic, flaccid, feeble, sickly, inept, nebbish, I can't come up with enough terms, you add whichever speak to you.
And they think they can support a whole network devoted just to their sports, HA!
Both the SEC and the Pac-10 are killing themselves. Oklahoma could easily go to the Championship game because LSU and Oregon/AZ St. are likely to lose another game to a top 10 squad. The Sooners won't even play a top 10 team.
What I'd love to see is Hawaii make it into the BCS and face Oklahoma and beat them just like Boise St. last year.
Six years ago, what would you have said to this question: "In Week 7, in two of the games, Number 2 will be upset on the road in one game, the other game will involve two insignificant unranked teams and no one cares who wins. One game is South Florida vs. Rutgers, the other is Miami v. Florida St. - which is which?" (Wait, was USF even around six years ago? :) )
This has been a fun year.
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| | | 133 | Perm Dude
ID: 6952237
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 13:15
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Good post, Zen. I would only nitpick one word: "Insignificant." Rutgers has been pretty decent this year (5-2, 1-1 against ranked teams). And, given how this year is going, can you really call any team in I-A "insignificant?"
I expect OSU might drop one game, simply because they aren't so much better than the other teams. That, and their last game is in Ann Arbor, makes a difficult case for them going all the way with W's.
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| | | 134 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 14:00
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Oregon went to Ann Arbor and SMOKED those bums, obliterated, damn, where's that thesaurus?
Yeah, yeah, OSU v. Mich., rivalry game... Assuming they are undefeated, the Buckeyes will know that a win puts them in the National Championship game. I would hope that the chance to avenge last year's bowl embarrassment would be enough to dispatch the Wolverines.
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| | | 135 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 16:24
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Ohio State COULD drop one at Happy Valley (why do they call it happy valley anyways? Is it b/c people from crappy penn state are hippies who have nothing better to do all day? I dunno.) Their defense is awesome, offense is suspect...Penn State is neither but the 12th man could carry them. Other then that, their only other possible loss is @ Michigan. Michigan has been solid as of late, but not spectacular either...I dont see it happening. Ohio State advances to the National Championship.
Boston College is almost certain to have a loss in one of its upcoming games. I tend to agree wtih Zen that its going to be this Thursday @ VT. Lane Stadium is definitely a tough place to play and in a primetime game, I just dont see it. LSU is back in 2nd place, but BC doesnt fall far.
Speaking of LSU, despite their athletes, they are bound to lose again in the SEC...that conference is just too good from top to bottom.
As for the Pac-10...USC is like a cut above everyone else in the Pac-10. The rest of the conference is solid, but I wouldnt put them over the top 4 or 5 in the SEC. Cal, Oregon, UCLA < LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina (everyone knows I'm a spurrier apologist, so last week was a Fluke, I mean 14-1 all time vs. Vandy!!!), etc. I dont think Tennessee is that good and Fulmer is going to resign or get canned at the end of the year.
I am really envisioning a Oklahoma / Ohio State national championship...*sigh* what a snoozer that one is going to be!!! I know I wont be tuning in for that one, unless I get a text or see see somewhere that it might be a decent game!
I guess I just dont care for Big East, Big 12, and some Big Ten football. Love Gary Danielson & Verne Lundquist on Saturdays, Notre Dame, and the occasional time I see USC and get to route against them.
oh yea, and PD...Rutgers is OVERRATED, just like USF. Big East is a joke.
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| | | 136 | Perm Dude
ID: 6952237
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 16:27
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Well, is Rutgers the #25 team in the country? I think they are ranked about where they should be. My issue with Zen was calling them "insignificant." They might be overrated (or not--that isn't the point). They aren't insignificant. Particularly this season where anyone could beat anyone else it seems.
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| | | 137 | Perm Dude
ID: 6952237
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 16:34
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BTW, I'm looking at the AP rankings for Rutgers. I dunno where they are on the other polls. And I agree with you on SF, and rooting against USC!
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| | | 138 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 16:38
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re-read my post, PD, I said that Miami v. Florida St. was insignificant, not Rutgers. I have really enjoyed watching two great primetime games in Piscataway the last two years, when the Scarlet Knights dispatched Louisville and USF.
I just love saying Piscataway!
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| | | 139 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 16:46
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Good post Slizz. I agree with most.
- Ohio State's toughest game is this weekend. If they win, they will make the national championship. Michigan will be tough, but Tressel has Henne, Hart, and Carr's #.
- BC will lose this week.
- LSU will lose again, even though they are probably the best team in the country. When I say "best team," though, it doesn't mean they deserve to play in the national championship, as the system has never been set up to reward the best teams...it's set up to reward those who survive their schedule.
- I posted earlier that the Pac 10 was a small step away from the SEC. I now retract that statement as I see the carnage happening in the PAC 10. The PAC 10 is a very poor man's SEC, as every single one of the teams in the conference except for Arizona St (who hasn't played anyone) and Oregon (who lost to Cal at home) has what teams in the SEC would percieve as a "bad loss." Oregon's loss to Cal is now turning into a "bad loss" as Cal looks to be more of pretenders than contenders. With that said, though, I think Oregon is the PAC 10 team to beat this year. They could make the national championship, and deserve to be there as much as anyone if they can win out.
- The SEC is unbelievable. Unlike any other conference, they have three teams (Kentucky, Florida, and LSU) with no "bad losses," and every week you are guaranteed at least one ridiculous game that goes down to the wire. Unfortunetaly, all SEC teams will beat up on each other so much that none will likely make the national championship game. I just feel bad for whoever has to play one of these teams in a BCS game.
- Like Slizz, I am leaning towards an OU vs OSU national championship right now, which I would welcome with open arms as I think OSU is better than OU. I hope against hope that LSU doesn't play OSU in the national championship...it could get ugly again real fast if that ends up being the matchup.
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| | | 140 | Perm Dude
ID: 6952237
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 16:49
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Ah, fair enough, Zen.
I almost hate to say this, but the main Rutgers campus is in New Brunswick, which is where they play their games at Rutgers Stadium. But perhaps I can make up for it by pointing out that the main route to the stadium is Hoes Lane (pdf)?
:)
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| | | 141 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 17:13
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- I posted earlier that the Pac 10 was a small step away from the SEC. I now retract that statement
Bah. The Pac-10 has been and STILL is the best conference in the country this year. You can't call a loss to Cal a "bad loss". TN couldn't beat them, nor would most other SEC teams.
If either AZ St. or Oregon win out, they, not Oklahoma will be in the National Championship game. AZ St. beat Colorado, something Oklahoma can only dream about.
The Pac-10's problem is that they have all of their difficult match-ups late in the season: AZ St. v. Oregon, Oregon v. USC, AZ St. v. USC, as well as rivalry games to finish the year. You can come back from early losses in the BCS/polls, much harder to weather difficult losses late. In the SEC, only Georgia has their most difficult stretch ahead of them.
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Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 18:21
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If Arizona State wins out and they don't make the national championship, it will be a travesty. But, they haven't played anyone, so, my gut says they don't have a chance of winning out...2 losses at least, IMO.
You can't call a loss to Cal a "bad loss".
I didn't say it was...I said it is turning into one, though. As I said the sentence prior, Oregon was one of two teams without a bad loss in the SEC. If Cal continues it's downward spiral, though, it will be a bad loss.
Don't get me wrong, the Pac 10 is still the 2nd best conference, but the SEC is far and away the best (coming from a usual SEC basher). I mean, I think there are tons of ways to analyze this, but the simplest way to do is just to answer the following questions:
If SZU (Seattle Zen's University) had to play a 9 game conference schedule, who would you rather play as:
your toughest 4 games:
a) LSU, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina
b) Oregon, USC, Cal, Arizona St
I think that's a wash. I'd rather not play either schedule, but the top 4 teams look pretty even on both sides. But the difference in conferences lies here:
your easiest 5 games:
a) Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
b) UCLA, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Arizona
The SEC is better than the Pac 10 because of teams 5-9. There is no competition between the two conferences. If you honestly think those five teams are equal to each other, you may legally be out of your mind.
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| | | 143 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 19:52
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Oh, Legge
What's wrong with your argument? I'll give you a hint, it involves the numbers 10 and 12...
That aside, I agree, SEC is strong in the middle. Too bad the Pac-10 and the SEC don't meet in bowl games other than a BCS match-up.
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| | | 144 | Slizz
ID: 429482317
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 20:12
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The Pac-10 has some ballers. But leggestand took the words right out of my mouth. As a conference the SEC top to bottom is solid. You put Mississippi State in the Big East, Big 12 or even the Big Ten (now), they are potentially ranked.
You have better coaches in the SEC (top to bottom). I mean I give credit when credit is due, the best COLLEGE coach in America is a toss-up between Pete Carroll & Jim Tressel. Moreso leaning towards Tressel b/c of the recruiting disadvantage he faces every year unlike USC. But still...i'll take Saban/Meyer/Tuberville/Spurrier/Miles over Pete Caroll & the pu pu platter deluxe
Also, how can you explain how, outside of oregon, usc, & cal that the rest of the conference struggles to beat ANYBODY outside of it! UCLA losing big to Utah & Notre Dame, Oregon State losing BIG to CINCY!!!! Arizona Football...I mean are you kidding me!
Either way, I chug the SEC kool-aid and its unfortunate they are penalized b/c they beat up on eachother in conference play.
As for the playoff system. I think they should institute a +1 format. its just too hard with all the dollars at stake in the NFL, plus schooling, and various political crap to have a 8 team playoff unless you shorten the season.
Also, it would take away from the other bowls too...the ratings for them would absolutely plummet...it stinks amateur athletes are totally exploited by money...but i'll save that for a whole other post!
Seasons end...the top 4 could very well be:
1) Ohio State
2) Oklahoma (assuming they win out)
3) Dub V
4) Pac-10 survivor (USC, Oregon, ASU?)
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| | | 145 | Mötley Crüe
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Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 20:13
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I stopped paying attention to Cal when they lost a game, but if Longshore is still out, I think we can all agree that's the reason for their swoon.
I say USC comes to play and obliterates Oregon this weekend, if for no other reason than the Trojans want to re-inject TB into this discussion.
Man I'll be disappointed if Alabama wins the SEC West. I guess that means I need to root for LSU next weekend. Ugh. Perish the thought.
Ohio State has arguably 4 of their 5 toughest games left to play at this point. Yes, their schedule is weak overall, but if they win out they deserve to go to the Championship game (for their annual bare-bottom-skinning at the hands of a superior conference's champion). With that said, I'd wager that they will lose one of these next 4. And I think it will be a surprise. So maybe, ummm, I'll call Illinois? Can Zook channel the Gator power to dispose of the Bucks in a 2006 BCS redux? I believe he can.
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| | | 146 | Slizz
ID: 429482317
Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 20:52
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Fightin' Zookers baby...believe me, i'd like to see it...but it ain't happenin.
Alabama is piss in the wind. Solid team, but not elite yet. LSU wins.
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| | | 147 | Mötley Crüe
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Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 21:26
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Didn't realize I'd posted right under you there, Slizz.
I just don't feel LSU is that strong. Not anymore. UF had them right where we wanted them and then the Gators suddenly started playing soft on defense and throwing on offense. Yes, LSU is one of the best teams in the country and maybe the best. But they are not invincible. Winning at Alabama will be a tough test for them. They'll almost surely face a rematch in the SEC Championship (UF, UK, or S. Carolina), and that won't be a cakewalk, either. This might be the year the SEC eliminates itself from the big dance.
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| | | 148 | Uptown Bombers
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Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 22:46
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No doubt I am biased, as I am an alum, but I find it pretty funny that everyone, and I mean everyone, thinks that Boston College is going to lose this week, as if they stand no chance. This team returned a fair deal of its two deep, including the all-ACC quaterback, yet started the year unranked. Granted, their ranking right now is due to the unbelievable amount of losses this year, but the bottom line is this team continually gets overlooked, despite its ranking. That's exactly the way the team wants it by the way. They are used to getting no respect from the media and public, yet have continued to churn out winning season after winning season.
No doubt the BC schedule gets tough from here on out, but just because they aren't a "traditional power" doesn't mean they are not a good team. Let me be the first person in the thread to say that I think the game this Thursday will be close, and of course I think BC will win. I mean, no one has even mentioned that VT doesn't even know who they are starting at QB.
Win or lose, as an alum, I am awfully proud of the season the Eagles have put together. One more thing, though slightly off topic. Compare the graduation rates and rankings of the top 25 programs and see which team filters up to the top two in both.
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| | | 149 | leggestand
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Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 09:44
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MC - Longshore played against UCLA, so, my belief is that they just aren't as good as most people thought (including myself). They have some good wins, but losses to UCLA and Oregon State are pretty poor, IMO.
I do agree that this is the year that the SEC removes itself from contention. I don't think anyone can survive without two losses in that conference.
Uptown - I apologize that I am writing BC off, but it's not really because I think BC is bad, it's because I think playing VT at Lane Stadium on a Thursday night as about as tough as it gets in college football. If the game was in Boston, or being played at VT on Saturday at noon, I'd give BC more of a shot... But, if BC can pull off the "upset", I think Ryan becomes the consensus favorite for the Heisman...
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| | | 150 | Slizz
ID: 3916247
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 11:09
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Uptown, there is no shame in sipping the BC kool-aid. They have what looks to be a top 10 pick at QB and are an all around solid team. I know Notre Dame isn’t exactly a good measuring stick for a QB’s performance but from what I saw at that game…Matt Ryan made all the right decisions and isn’t afraid to throw the under, make accurate throws, and just gradually move the offense along. That is a key to NFL success (combined with the deep ball every now and then) and I think he projects very well. However, BC isn’t dominating the lesser opponents. They are grinding it out one win at a time, which is all you can ask for (W’s)…and like you said, graduating their players as well.
If BC can play tough defense and just grind it out…they could very well come out victorious Thursday…but VT’s defense is going to come to play, and they ALWAYS show up on National TV. It’s their offense that is suspect and if BC can generate a couple turnovers, they could very well squeeze out another win. I guess America just needs to see that “signature” win from BC before we start talking about them as a National Championship contender.
Motley – I wholeheartedly agree with your contention that LSU might be the most talented and arguably the best team in the nation…and facing whoever in the SEC championship is gonna be a brutal match-up. I think the team that would have the best shot of taking them down is UF. UK wouldn’t do that at Tiger Stadium…not many teams could and leading up to the SEC Championship, UF will get them in a rematch on a neutral field and could very well “chomp” themselves into a BCS bowl despite two backbreaking losses. If that happens, even a two loss LSU squad deserves to make the BCS…they are too good to be left out (assuming they lose to UF in the SEC championship)
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| | | 151 | Uptown Bombers
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Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 16:00
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leggestand,
You should check out VT's overall record on Thursday night, 13-2. I'll give you one guess which team handed them those two losses.
Slizz,
While I agree with your overall analysis of the game, and would also say that you have been more fair with BC than others, I guess my overall point is that there isn't any "Kool-aid". The team is good, good enough to beat VT on the road on Thursday night. That doesn't mean it's a given, but it also doesn't mean it's an automatic loss, as others (not you) seem to suggest.
As for the scores of their games, having watched all of them this year, there were 4 games (GT, Army, UMASS and ND) where BC had the ball and was inside the opponents 20 with 2-3 minutes to go. BC could have easily punched in another score, to make the differential look bigger, but they chose not to.
And one more thing, VT's schedule has not been much better than BC's. Sure they played LSU, but they got absolutely dominated and had no shot to win that game from the 2nd Q on. They have a good win against Clemson. Other that that, they have beat no one of note.
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| | | 152 | leggestand
ID: 99102415
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 17:14
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I wish I knew where to find that about VT being 13-2 on Thursday with their only losses to BC, but I'll take your word for it. Were they at Lane Stadium also? Either way, that is an interestng stat that you've found. That can certainly feed into the thought that BC can do it.
I am not understanding your "beef" with people thinking strongly BC is going to lose. I have been blantantly honest all thread about any team, including my own (OSU). It's far easier to be "wishy-washy" on thoughts, especially in regards to this season, but I don't like that tact. You can disagree with me as much as you'd like, but my opinion is what it is (I think here's where SZ and I will agree!).
Can BC win? Of course. Will they? I don't think so. Will I be wrong? Maybe, I am wrong about 50% of the time (maybe more). I'll also say that if BC wins this week (and OSU wins), I'd vote BC as #1 right now over OSU.
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| | | 153 | leggestand
ID: 99102415
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 17:26
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As for the scores of their games, having watched all of them this year, there were 4 games (GT, Army, UMASS and ND) where BC had the ball and was inside the opponents 20 with 2-3 minutes to go.
I also needed to clarify this point a little on BC...Against GT, UMass, and ND, BC did have the ball inside the opponent's 20 at the end of the game, but it was only because those teams went for it on 4th down with less than 3 minutes left inside their own 35 each time and didn't make it. I think it's safe to say that none of these teams would of gone for it if BC had been blowing them out. It's not like BC drove down the field, and the clock ran out on them. They got the ball in scoring position and all they needed to do was run out the clock. I don't think many teams would of done any differently and won't buy the thought that they could of won by more.
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| | | 154 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 17:51
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Texas Tech will have its character tested this weekend. My expectations for this season have been shot, but I'll still hope for the best. Last year when Missouri obliterated Tech at home, it killed our season. We'll see how we rebound this week against Colorado. If we can beat UT in austin(big IF), I foresee the Big 12 South being up for grabs last game of the year when we play OU. That would have an impact on the national picture.
As far as this week's games, I see BC beating VT. I also see Oregon beating USC. Dennis Dixon is for real folks. I'm not sure how USC's defense is going to contain him and that spread offense attack.
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| | | 155 | Uptown Bombers
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Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 18:00
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From the Boston Herald
Most coaches don’t like to have their weekly schedule disrupted, but Beamer and the Hokies have thrived on Thursday nights, posting a 13-2 record.
“I like Thursday night,” Beamer said. “To me, it’s like NFL Monday night. A lot of the other coaches and players, they’re watching. The recruits, they’re watching. Everyone’s watching your program.”
Don’t expect the Eagles to be intimidated by the Hokies’ mark. BC is just 4-6 on Thursdays, but two of those wins were against Virginia Tech, including last season’s 22-3 rout at Alumni Stadium.
I'll concede the point that they could have scored more points, but a quick glance of the stats from those games tells me that BC had 200+ total yards more than the other team. In my mind, the games were not close as the final score might indicate. And my beef only stems from the fact that the mass media won't let me seem to enjoy the only time my alma mater has been ranked so high. :) All they seem to want to talk about is how they will lose.
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| | | 156 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 18:14
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I'll be pulling for BC, Uptown, but I am afraid that they will suffer the same fate as South Florida. I don't remember how many years ago it was, but I remember a Thursday night game at Lane Stadium when Miami visited and were ranked number 1. My strongest recollection was, "Wow, it looks like they released everyone from an insane asylum and gave them all tickets." That stadium and crowd rocked and home field advantage means a lot in college football.
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| | | 157 | Slizz
ID: 577162119
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 21:09
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I remember that game Seattle...the "U" only scored 3 points I believe and the first TD was a pick 6 from Jimmy Williams...I believe Brock Berlin was the QB and the feature back was Frank Gore. I just saw the crowd and was like no way VT loses this game.
Lane Stadium will be the same way on Thursday night...nevertheless, it will be a good game. I know i'll be watching that instead of the worldseries.
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| | | 158 | leggestand
ID: 99102415
Wed, Oct 24, 2007, 21:30
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LOL, SZ. I don't think there is much else to do in Blacksburg except to bleed maroon. I got a couple buddies who went there and still go to games. They say ever since they closed off the one end, it's so loud that you can't hear anything. Will there be a white out tomorrow? A maroon out?
I am with you Slizz, I will be watching because a matchup between two top 10 teams is one that shouldn't missed. I am going to root for VT big just so I don't get my foot stuck in my mouth after my last few posts!!!
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| | | 159 | Perm Dude
ID: 40946256
Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 23:09
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Wow, what a finish to the BC/VT game. A shutout for VT until 2 minutes to go, then 2 TDs for BC.
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| | | 160 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 23:18
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I feel very lucky tonight. :-) Thank you Boston College.
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| | | 161 | Uptown Bombers
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Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 00:18
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I'm sure the naysayers will still have something to say about how bad BC looked for 56 minutes, but I'll take the last 4 and focus on the job Ryan did with the game on the line. I'm absolutely loving it.
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| | | 162 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 00:32
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What a great game, just another in a huge pile of great games this year. Wow, what a way to silence that crowd. I was so unimpressed with Ryan until the very end. A successful on-side kick! Absolutely shut out for 56 minutes, then two quick, gut shot touchdowns.
Good stuff.
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| | | 163 | J
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ID: 049346417
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 09:07
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Then puked twice on the sidelines!
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| | | 164 | leggestand
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Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 09:08
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What a game. Both teams had a shot at the national championship going into the game, and for 56 minutes the VT fans must of thought they would be the ones still with the shot...and BC takes it from them. Congrats Uptown, that's a huge win. With the weather, I figured that would give VT even more of an advantage, but BC pulled it out. As I said earlier, with the win, I wouldn't be surprised if BC jumps to #1 in the human polls even if OSU wins. They may not if OSU wins by a large margin, but if I was a voter, I'd take BC because of the better signature win.
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| | | 165 | Slizz
ID: 429482317
Fri, Oct 26, 2007, 16:10
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you know the opinion is coming :)
BC played bend, but dont break football...and kept chipping away. I was most impressed with Matt Ryans poise when he needed it the most. Gut check win by BC and they now are at the summit of their BCS championship title hunt...the rest is downhill and hope they dont trip up along the way.
Clemson - always tough and brings it vs top opponents.
The "U" - Jekyl & Hyde
Maryland - Similar to the "U"
Florida State - Like VT, but with better offense.
We'll see though. I had VT winning the game, not by alot, but nevertheless winning it.
Well I'm out until saturday guys...we got another great SEC matchup with the worlds largest cocktail party in Jacksonville (UGA vs UF)...Heisman Hopeful Tim Tebow vs last year's #1 pro-style QB darling in Matthew Stafford.
Oregon/USC should be a good matchup...but i just dont feel the buzz for it. Underacheiving USC vs a Oregon team we dont know if they're for real or not. USC wins big.
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| | | 166 | Perm Dude
ID: 5936267
Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 18:24
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Wow, another week, another series of ranked teams getting beat. OSU/PSU hasn't even started, and USC & UK go down.
I've been flipping between South Florida/UConn and FL/GA.
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| | | 167 | Tosh
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ID: 057721710
Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 18:33
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So when is it time to start showing the University of Oregon some love after a convincing victory over the University of Spoiled Children? If it weren't for a Duck RB fumbling through the endzone for a touchback versus Cal (with just a few seconds remaining) ... the Ducks would be looking even better!
Oregon, our Alma Mater
We will guard thee on and on
Let us gather round and cheer her
Chant her glory Oregon
Roar the praises of her warriors
Sing the story Oregon
On to victory urge the heroes
Of our mighty Oregon!
Go Ducks Go!
Fight Ducks Fight!
Go!
Fight!
Win Ducks Win!
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| | | 168 | Perm Dude
ID: 5936267
Sat, Oct 27, 2007, 19:14
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Add South Florida and Florida to the list of ranked teams getting beat.
Ironically, in this crazy year I think the BCS rankings will have less controversy than ever.
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| | | 169 | slizz
ID: 219562614
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 00:32
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What's going on guys...I am sad right now bc USC lost. I thought for sure they would win...I mean they were a dog for the first time in forever!!!!! I put a decent chunk of change (10% of my weekly salary on that game in favor of SC). ::shakes head:: I might be a big SC hater...but when they are a dog that just shocked me!!!! I thought they'd take care of biz just like cal did. I don't want to depress myself some more about that so I will tip my cap to oregon! They could run the table and not make the national championship...a la joey harrington. Either way, they got my respect tonight tosh...
But on to more important things...how about the SEC?!?! Those crazy crooms pull another road upset this year thus keeping him off the hot seat...my gamecocks lost a heartbreaker to ut in a OT thriller, and uga took UF down esentially handing the SEC title to LSU. Call me crazy, but only one team from the SEC might make a bcs bowl!!!!
Heisman race. Woodson is out, tebow got tebagged and is out...looks to be between slaton, brennan (*laughs*), ryan, and dixon...that's it. Mcfadden is on a crap team with too many losses and the other teams up there don't have that signature player (lsu, ohio state, etc.).
Your thoughts?
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| | | 170 | leggestand
ID: 99102415
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 12:44
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Slizz - I was a little surpised when you said you thought USC was going to take care of business against Oregon, as the Ducks have really impressed me this year. Arizona State looks good now, also, but as I said earlier, Cal isn't looking too great recently, so, maybe the win last night wasn't as big as it could've been.
Some really good games yesterday...UF vs UGA, USC vs Oregon, and SC vs Ten come to mind right off the bat. I was happy to see OSU take care of business fairly easily after getting down early to Penn State.
As for the Heisman, if BC wins out, I think Ryan wins it easily. He may even win it if they end up with one loss. Why isn't Dixon in the talk for Heisman? He is a star for the Ducks. I don't know, maybe we should just give it to Crabtree.
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| | | 171 | Tosh
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ID: 057721710
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 13:34
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ATLANTA (SI.com) -- In an unprecedented finish that had more twists and turns than the surreal Cal-Stanford ending of 1982, Trinity University executed 15 laterals, off a kickoff return, before scoring a touchdown at the final gun to clinch an improbable 28-24 win over Millsaps College.
link with video
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| | | 173 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 15:02
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Congrats to BC and Oregon. Those were my top plays for the weekend card, along with Colorado +13 1/2 against Tech. Unfortunately, I was right about Tech. I didn't expect them to lose outright though. :-( All in all, it was a great Saturday card. Here's to hoping Detroit and St. Louis can win to make it a successful Sunday.
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| | | 174 | leggestand
ID: 99102415
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 16:27
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Tosh - great link. That was unbelievable.
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| | | 175 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 16:30
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Tosh
A Duck?! You'd better keep that to yourself or you will be tossed off Vashon.
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| | | 176 | Tosh
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ID: 057721710
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 16:46
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LOL. Ducks are like Deadheads. We are everywhere!
Last weekend, I had first row seats in the Husky staff section for the Oregon-Washington game. There were only 2 of us dressed in Oregon colors. You want to talk about getting a bunch of hairy eyeballs from people!
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ID: 129202215
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 18:17
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re 171
great video, insane play, but what a lame article:
Trinity University executed 15 laterals, off a kickoff return
44 yards through the exhausted Millsaps special teams to score the game-winner
It was clearly a play from scrimmage. Did the guy who wrote the article even actually watch the video? I thought articles that went over the A.P. wire had some level of editing involved but, ah well.
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ID: 129202215
Sun, Oct 28, 2007, 19:35
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haha - now they fixed the error in the first paragraph but still didn't catch the error in the second paragraph.
Trinity University executed 15 laterals before scoring a touchdown at the final gun
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Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 13:18
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I'm one disappointed Eagles fan after last night. Ryan made some very poor decisions and has likely played himself out of Heisman contention. BC would have to run the table with Ryan playing perfect to get back into that race. BC still stands in good shape to reach the ACC CG, and a victory there is what I'm hoping for.
Time to jump on the Dixon for Heisman and Ducks for BCS championship bandwagon.
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| | | 180 | Perm Dude
ID: 51101737
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 13:22
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I saw almost all of that game, and while Ryan made some poor tosses, I'm no Florida State fan but FSU played a heck of a game.
Also watched most of the Michigan/Michigan State game, and while I was rooting for the Spartans I gotta give props on that last TD catch--even when it happened I said "Sweet catch."
LSU should have lost. They'll likely stay where they are in the polls, but they didn't look as good as I would have thought.
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| | | 181 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 13:37
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Why should LSU have lost? Nice win in a hostile environment for them. They remain the best team in the country.
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Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 14:01
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No doubt, PD. Didn't intend to sound like FSU didn't earn and deserve the win. They were the better team. Weatherford played extremely well.
And Manningham's catch was awesome.
How about Navy? I watched form the 4th quarter on. That was an entertaining game. 4th and 7 (or 8?) from the 25 or so with 45 seconds and Weiss goes for it. Odd call to me. I think you've got to at least try to kick the winning FG there. I don't know their kicking game well enough, but that call stood out to me.
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ID: 501016612
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 16:37
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Ohio State vs the Nation
Lots of doubters out there about the Buckeyes. But this column probably says it as well as it could be said at this point.
I can't believe LSU would get 5 #1 votes in the AP poll and the Ducks get none. We those guys even watching the games? I'm an Ohio State fan, but I would probably put Oregon ahead of the Buckeyes at this point even with their one loss. Beating USC and Oregon State back to back is proof enough, IMO, that they are the best in the country right now.
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| | | 184 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 16:49
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PD - Save yourself some heartache. Substitute LSU 2007 for Florida 2006 (who you hated on last year when they got to beat the crap out of the Big 10 pretender du jour, instead of Michigan...) and expect a repeat performance...
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| | | 185 | Perm Dude
ID: 13104616
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 17:04
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I don't hate LSU, MBJ. I just was unimpressed with them in the two games I saw this year and don't think they deserve to be ahead of Oregon.
I did rather enjoy watching Kentucky beat them a couple of weeks ago.
:)
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ID: 439372011
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 21:02
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I don't think Ohio State, Oregon, or anyone else could go 3-1 playing UF, @Kentucky, Auburn, and @Alabama.
Beating USC and Oregon State back to back is proof enough, IMO, that they are the best in the country right now.
That's the first I've heard of Oregon St. being anything special this year. Their signature win is against California. They're 5-4. What am I missing?
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| | | 187 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 21:13
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He obviously meant Arizona State- not that they're anything special.
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| | | 188 | Perm Dude
ID: 13104616
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 21:48
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MBJ is right. I meant ASU.
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| | | 189 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 22:08
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Oh. Well, I really don't pay the PAC-10 much mind. Now that the 'dynasty' in LA is over, there's not much point.
Arizona State... yeah.
I hope Ohio State plays Oklahoma and Oregon plays LSU at the end of the season. That's probably virtually impossible, but it will prove that the Big 10 and PAC10 are second tier.
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ID: 13104616
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 23:27
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Those would be good games. But it always seemed to me that the indication of a conference in decline is not how the top teams in that conference do, but how the middle teams play. It was really only a couple of years ago that you could count on very good non-conference games out of Penn State, Purdue, & Iowa. I haven't watched all that closely, but I don't recall even many tough non-conference opponents for the Big 10 this year.
The knock on Ohio State, for several seasons now, is that they seem to play just well enough to win (except, of course, in last season's spectacular meltdown in the BCS championship game). That knock will probably remain, even if they win out against a decent Illinois team and a surging (and, IMO, an underrated) Michigan team.
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| | | 191 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 09:37
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I hope Ohio State plays Oklahoma and Oregon plays LSU at the end of the season.
I hope Ohio State plays OU also, as I think our best shot of winning the national championship is playing them over Oregon or LSU. We match up well against them and I'd feel pretty confident going into that game comparatively.
it will prove that the Big 10 and PAC10 are second tier.
I am not really sure I understand this...I already know, and so does most of the country, that the Big 10 is not as good as the SEC and Pac 10 top to bottom. I am not sure what those games would prove. But, I will put this:
The Big 10 and SEC matched up in 3 bowls games last year...the Big 10 went 2-1. That doesn't mean the Big 10 conference is better than the SEC, but I think it does show that the top of the two conferences are pretty comparable. As PD said, an indication of conference strength lies with the middle teams, and that's were the Big 10 loses its strength and the SEC becomes the top conference.
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| | | 192 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:02
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The SEC is overrated. LSU has reached USC levels of hype, wherein if a team plays them close (but loses), they are considered great too. Most of the SEC teams that are ranked have not beaten anyone except each other. They get ranked by beating each other and stay ranked when though they lose to each other because teams that lose to ranked teams get dinged less. There is no reason in the world that five 3 loss SEC teams should be ranked, especially teams like Tennessee who have gotten demolished three times this year and Kentucky, who got dominated by a mediocre Mississippi State team.
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| | | 193 | steve houpt
ID: 30072415
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 13:31
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A great page for a quick reference of all inter conference games. NOTE - no conference has dominated top conferences in non conference games IMHO. ??
Conference comparison
PD - LSU has not looked good the last 4 games, even though they won 3. Killing themselves with penalties and dropped balls. But they still beat three good teams ?????????? May have best talent, but have not used it all lately.
Team Comparison [I-AA] - 106 different rankings and the average has Ohio St #1, LSU #2, Oregon #3. FWIW.
So-so MISS ST [#45] would be 6th in PAC 10, 7th in BIG 10. They are 10th in sec.
NOTE: 5 of 6 BCS rankings have SEC as #1 ranked conference - but they are not run aways #1's.
Rankings in the COMPARISON.
42 PAC 10
3 ORE
6 ARZ ST
17 USC
24 CAL
40 ORE ST
52 UCLA
62 WASH
69 ARZ
73 WASH ST
77 STAN
30 SEC
2 LSU
12 FLA
13 GA
15 AUB
21 ALA
27 TENN
28 KY
30 ARK
34 SC
45 MISS ST
51 VANDY
82 MISS
45 BIG 10
1 OHIO ST
14 MICH
20 PA ST
29 ILL
31 PUR
35 WISC
55 MICH ST
60 IND
64 IOWA
76 NWEST
107 MINN
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| | | 194 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 16:05
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Steve,
Good to see you posting.
Hope all is going well.
Cliff
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| | | 195 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Thu, Nov 08, 2007, 11:45
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Whats going on guys, its been a week since I last posted...but that fumble by John Parker Wilson reminds me of South Carolina vs Florida when Ryan Succop had PAT & FG problems in the Swamp!
LSU has great athletes, thats why we hype them up so much...just like USC.
Anyways, here is the quote of the day (From the Indy Star):
Colts QB Peyton Manning of RB Joseph Addai, "He's never been a guy who acted or played like he was a rookie. I think playing in the best conference in college football has a lot to do with that."
Its hard not to argue with the best QB of any generation :)
Either way, more good SEC matchups on tap...not much else to really wet my beak this weekend. Its pretty bad when Kansas/Oklahoma State is the featured game out east.
Louisville / West Virginia was a promising game at the beginning of the year, and could very well be a good game still...but I just dont see their defense stopping that potent Dub V offense.
Honorable Mention goes to the fighting zookers @ the horseshoe...but odds are Ohio State is gonna take care of business this season.
I was excited about Cal / USC, but that lost its luster thanks to the past few weeks.
However in the SEC you have:
McHeisman's Razorbacks traveling to Neyland to face a rollercoaster Volunteer team.
Alabama coming off of a heartbreaking loss traveling to Mississippi State which has upset special written all over it.
and...the game of the week!
Georgia hosting Auburn. WAR EAGLE! Can't wait to hear danielson & lundquist broadcast that game.
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| | | 196 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Thu, Nov 08, 2007, 12:05
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You are more than a little biased if you think Alabama at Mississippi State is a more exciting matchup than USC at Cal or FSU at VaTech.
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| | | 197 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Thu, Nov 08, 2007, 13:39
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FSU @ VT while it might look like a good matchup, its going to be a snoozer! Watching both teams on offense can be like pulling teeth. Its about execution on that side of the ball and neither team has it.
USC @ Cal lost its luster...and hey, I drink the SEC Kool-Aid proudly...I am actually a little mad my ABC Affiliates (NY & Philly) is televising Kansas/Oklahoma St.
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| | | 198 | smallwhirled
ID: 14023168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 10:36
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You can't tell me FSU @ VT will be a snoozer. ;)
I'm pretty excited about this game. 2 big road wins in a row is definitely possible. Another strong performance, and the Noles may have turned the corner a little bit. They just need to be more consistent.
Gators @ the Gamecocks should be a great game.
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| | | 199 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 11:15
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Florida State is better than Alabama, which is way better than Mississippi State. Virginia Tech is at least as good as Alabama. No contest. FSU-VT is a much more intriguing matchup to just about everyone outside of Alabama and Mississippi. That game doesn't even mean anything in the SEC race.
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| | | 200 | smallwhirled
ID: 14023168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 12:15
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The SEC is overrated. LSU has reached USC levels of hype, wherein if a team plays them close (but loses), they are considered great too. Most of the SEC teams that are ranked have not beaten anyone except each other. They get ranked by beating each other and stay ranked when though they lose to each other because teams that lose to ranked teams get dinged less. There is no reason in the world that five 3 loss SEC teams should be ranked, especially teams like Tennessee who have gotten demolished three times this year and Kentucky, who got dominated by a mediocre Mississippi State team.
I definitely agree with all that's said here. The over-inflation of the SEC really annoys me. An SEC loss holds so much more weight than any other loss, but isn't a loss just a loss? Five 3 loss SEC teams just screams bias to me.
I do believe the SEC is the strongest conference. They have the most power programs, and they have the best athletes. The rivalries are intense, and I really enjoy the games. But I saw this breakdown on another message board of the SEC non-conference games:
The SEC currently has a 36-5 Non-Conference record. That's pretty impressive, until you consider that 31 of those wins came against:
Arkansas State
Chattanooga
Eastern Kentucky
Eastern Michigan
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Gardner-Webb
Houston
Kent State
Louisiana Tech
Memphis
Miami of Ohio
Middle Tennessee
New Mexico State
North Texas
Northwestern State
Richmond
South Carolina State
Southern Miss
Tennessee Tech
Troy
Troy
Troy
Tulane
Tulane
UAB
UL-Lafayette
UL-Lafayette
Western Carolina
Western Carolina
Western Kentucky
So, that is 6 wins over C-USA, 3 over the MAC, 10 over the Sun Belt, 2 over the WAC, 1 over 1-A, and 9 over 1-AA teams. I'd go a step further and say that all or 99% of those games were played at the home of the SEC team.
Against the traditionally stronger ACC, Big East, Big 12 and Pac 10 conferences they are 5-5. Not quite as impressive.
They need to start playing a few more quality opponents out of conference and away to stop propogating the myth of their dominance as a conference.
A full slate of 3 or 4 non-conference home wins, a couple wins against the bottom feeders of the SEC, and splitting the rest of your SEC games suddenly makes a team great.
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| | | 201 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 13:42
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An SEC loss holds so much more weight than any other loss, but isn't a loss just a loss? Five 3 loss SEC teams just screams bias to me.
To me, I'd say a loss to App. St. is far worse than a loss to LSU in the current college football system.
Maybe that's just me.
Now, if we moved to a system where teams were ranked based on W-L, then that's a different story.
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| | | 202 | smallwhirled
ID: 14023168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 13:57
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Come on KKB, that's just nit-picking. Of course those aren't equivalent losses. ;)
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| | | 203 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 14:33
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Actually, I was just showing an extreme example, but it still holds true. Look at Auburn. They have losses to LSU, South Florida, and Miss. St. And that's the reverse order of how I'd rank the losses in terms of how bad they were.
In the current system, all losses are weighted. They have to be. Otherwise, a loss to LSU is just as bad as a loss to South Florida is just as bad as a loss to Miss. St. and we sort the poll by W-L and we all know that's not going to happen.
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| | | 204 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 14:40
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The SEC should be very proud that one of its football programs beat Gardner-Webb because we all know what happened in basketball.
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| | | 205 | Sludge
ID: 16109168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:06
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I'm afraid that smallwhirled's analysis is woefully incomplete.
Examining only the SEC and the PAC-10, as that seems to be the hot topic nowadays, I'd prefer to consider a teams wins over quality conferences vs. all of a teams non-conference losses.
In that respect, SEC is 5-5 while PAC-10 is 5-8.
Let's examine those wins and losses.
All rankings are from here, which are a composite of all the rankings that it seems Kenneth Massey can get his hands on.
Rankings of the opponent:
SEC Wins: 10, 38, 39, 50, 72 (Average: 41.8)
SEC Losses: 7, 8, 19, 24, 26 (Average: 16.8)
PAC 10 Wins: 14, 27, 42, 66, 97 (Average: 49.2)
PAC 10 Losses: 1, 23, 35, 36, 46, 53, 59, 92 (Average: 43.125)
What if we take into account the differential between the two teams that actually played? Here, the "ranking differential" is defined as either SEC Team Rank - Opponent's Rank or PAC 10 Team Rank - Opponent's Rank. Thus, a negative number means the team belonging to the conference of interest is the HIGHER ranked team.
Ranking differentials:
SEC Wins: -38, -25, -24, -22, -8 (Average: -23.4)
SEC Losses: -6, -4, 3, 37, 75 (Average: 21.0)
PAC 10 Wins: -50, -36, -35, -11, -3 (Average: -27.0)
PAC 10 Losses: -40, 6, 16, 17, 18, 33, 38, 61 (Average: 18.6)
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| | | 206 | Sludge
ID: 16109168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:08
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Bah... I hit the wrong button.
I'll leave the analysis up to y'all. I may or may not do the same for the other conferences. I'll likely get started and then see if I consider the exercise to be worthwhile to continue or not.
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| | | 207 | smallwhirled
ID: 14023168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:39
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Sludge,
Could you do a similar analysis for the other conferences? If you have time of course.....
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| | | 208 | Sludge
ID: 16109168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 16:58
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Here you go. Posted my Excel worksheet and included way more information; namely the rankings of each team.
Things to keep in mind:
Win columns only contain wins vs. SEC, PAC 10, BIG 10, BIG EAST, BIG 12, and ACC.
Loss columns contain ALL non-conference losses.
A negative differential means the team in the conference of interest has the higher ranking. So a negative average win differential means their wins are coming when they should. A positive average win differential means a lot of their wins are coming via upsets. A negative average loss differential means they're getting upset on the average, while a positive average loss differential means they're losing the games they should.
I also computed weighted averages for all of the differentials using the weight equal to the reciprocal of the average ranking for the two teams. I'm sure better, more justifiable, weights can be thought of. (For example, the weight of Michigan's loss to App State is the same as the weight would be for a couple of 50th ranked teams going at it.)
Here's the worksheet: Football analysis
Knock yourselves out.
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| | | 209 | Sludge
ID: 16109168
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 17:00
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Oh, I should mention: All I-AA teams were given a ranking of 120.
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| | | 210 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 19:13
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Florida has traded out games against Western Kentucky and Troy State for Hawaii and Miami to start of the 2008 season. They're both in the Swamp. I'm excited to see UF bump the competition up a notch, although Troy State isn't a bad program at all. They could seriously knock off oh, probably half of the Big 10.
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| | | 211 | holt
ID: 129202215
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:31
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another one bites the dust.
Illinois 28
Ohio St. 21
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| | | 212 | Perm Dude
ID: 31102109
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:56
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One could almost have predicted thar, given this season.
Michigan's loss hurts the Ducks in the BCS, as well.
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| | | 213 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 19:28
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WOW, what a day. Thank you Illinois and Wisconsin. Sadly, I also had a rooting interest against my own school against UT today. However, that's why you have to be unbiased sometimes. GO GATORS(a school I don't like, but have a rooting interest for ;-))
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| | | 214 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 19:48
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PD, see post 145. Someone almost did predict it.
This way we'll likely see a better BCS Championship game. Two of Oregon, LSU, and Oklahoma ought to be there. I happen to think LSU is one. Note sure about the other yet.
Kansas will be up there if they win out. Hawaii, not so much.
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| | | 215 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 19:58
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Sorry, PD, but I think every other college football fan was happy to see Illinois run the clock out with that fabulous 8:00+ final drive.
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| | | 216 | Perm Dude
ID: 31102109
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 20:06
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??
Where did I say otherwise, Zen?
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| | | 217 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 21:07
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RE 214: The other one besides LSU will be Oregon. Oklahoma will lose to Texas Tech and also lose their chance at the national championship. I put my money on UT, along with Wisconsin, Illinois, and Florida today. However, big time upset in Lubbock next weekend when OU visits Texas Tech.
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| | | 218 | leggestand
ID: 3010451212
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 17:19
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I am finally getting around to posting about the OSU loss...
I am not too surprised, as I have been saying this whole thread that our last four games are our toughest and that we were more #1 due to survival rather than merit, but that doesn't make the loss sting any less. A couple things, though, about the game (if you saw it, or even if you didn't):
1. Illinois first play was an 80 yard run after OSU scored a TD and was up 7-0. While diving for the end zone, the Illini RB dropped the ball, which rolled into the end zone and it was recovered by OSU. It should of been a touchback for OSU at the 20. If OSU could of taken that drive down the field to score (as they did on their next drive), they would of been up 14-0, and even though it would of been very early, I think Illinois' gameplan would of changed forcing them to throw more in the spread rather than run. Instead, the refs botched the call, and it is a non-reviewable call, and in two plays Illinois scores to make it 7-7. This plays falls in the category of, "If there is any doubt, let the play be initially called a fumble, because you can review and correct it. If the ref calls down by contact initially, you can't review it or correct it." Poor decision by the refs.
I am not saying it would of changed the outcome, but it was one of those watershed plays that was going to at least swing the game 7 points.
2. In the 4th quarter, on Illinois' last drive (that ate up 8 minutes), Tressel pulled his biggest boneheaded move while at OSU; and this is coming from someone who backs Tressel as a top 5 college coach. So, Illinois has the ball with 4th and 1 inch at their own 40, and after much debate, Zook sends out the punting unit. Because Illinois made their decision so late, OSU had defensive personnel on the field rather than a punt return unit. What does Tressel do? Calls a timeout. What does the Illini do after the break? Goes for it on 4th down and makes it. What was Tressel thinking? Who cares if you have the wrong personnel, especially on 4th and an inch. Let them punt and just take the ball where it stops. Put the game in the hands of your offense. Certainly don't burn a much needed timeout which you may need later! Terrible decision. I couldn't believe it as I watched Illinois run out the clock.
With all that said, Illinois exposed why we don't matchup well with teams from the SEC or Oregon from the Pac 10...the spread offense. We are a smash mouth team, and if you won't play a game in the trenches with us, our defense is just average. I shudder to think what will happen if we make the Rose Bowl and we draw Oregon (if they don't make the title game); it could be ugly. I am definitely rooting for a Big 12 team or Arizona State in the Rose Bowl if we can beat Michigan.
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| | | 219 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 17:46
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Awesome Post Leggestand...
I didn't see the game live for that I was out at a family function and only saw after I refreshed the score on my Blackberry...my initial reaction was "wow, the fightin' zookers did it". I cant say I was shocked by it b/c Illinois is a good football team, just very inconsistent (evident by their loss @ Iowa). When I got home I caught the replay of the final drive by Illinois though.
RE: Point #1 - Although I agree with you on your analysis of the potential scenarios, you gotta account for bad calls by the refs. I hate the down by contact rule b/c of the reason you said above. Since College Football implemented instant replay, they have always got questionable calls correct (except Oregon / Oklahoma's onside kick). Similar thing happened on SNF where the Colts had that circus INT in the endzone and it was blown dead as a touchback when they should've got credit for that return. I guess that needs to be tweaked and I side with you on getting the call correct.
RE: Point #2 - I don't think it was a bad call at all. There was no way he was booting that ball for a touchback...therefore Ohio State would've likely sacrificed a bunch of field position. Assume they are trapped in their own 20. Ohio State likely would go 3 & out due to Tressel's conservative style. Then more time off the clock would likely get chewed up and Illinois would be looking at favorable field position to not only run the clock out, but also set up a game-icing FG. Sure thats a big scenario to throw at you, but why risk it? Call time out, get the proper personnel on the field and take it from there.
Tressel was obviously overconfident in his defense. There were 8+ minutes left!!! I am sure he probably thought like most Ohio State fans thought at the time "ok defense is gonna get the ball back and even if they convert this, we'll still have 4-6minutes to work with at worst." At least thats what I would've thought at that juncture in the game based on Ohio States track record on D throughout the season. Well none of the above happened and Tressel looks foolish for calling the time-out.
RE: point #3 - Big Ten style football. One cant help but think if Indiana gets marginally better on defense that they'll rise fast in the Big Ten.
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| | | 220 | leggestand
ID: 3010451212
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:50
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I agree, Slizz, on your point on #1. I wasn't trying to make excuses for the loss, it's more of a frustration on how is rule is called. Instant Replay is great when it's used, but when calls are wrong on "unreviewable" plays, that just frustrates me. Believe me, I get frustrated when anyone plays and this mistake is made, but it is certainly amplified if it happens to "my" team. I really wish you would of seen it, it wasn't close. The guy reached out, but didn't have a grip on the ball and it just fell right out and rolled into the end zone. He was a good 1-2 feet off the ground...the refs were just stuck chasing the play, as they usually are on 80 yard runs.
On point 2, however, I disagree. I was yelling at the tv when he called that timeout...I knew it was a bad move. Even if OSU would of stopped Illinois 2-3 series later, it would have run 3+ minutes of the clock. If Illinois was set to punt, you have to let them punt, especially when common knowledge says they will go for it if they have time to think about it. There wasn't a doubt in my mind that Illinois was going to change their minds after Tressel called a timeout. There also wasn't a doubt in my mind that they were going to make it...they had been eating 3-6 yards up each play since the first half. You just got to let them punt, and save your timeout.
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ID: 129202215
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 04:04
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(2)Oregon 24 Final
Arizona 34
As an Oklahoma fan, what a great game to watch. Still feeling bitter about the botched calls at Oregon last season. This game helped heal to heal that wound a bit.
:D
OU still has to get through Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., and then either Kansas or Missouri in the Big 12 champ game. No sure thing by any stretch of the imagination. Still, it's nice to know they can play their way into the title game now.
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| | | 223 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 07:20
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Been a very long time since I've had so much fun watching college football (ok sure, college football is fun every year but).
My long time favorite team Missouri is on the very edge of possibly now playing for national title. First they need to beat K-State of course this weekend, but wins over Kansas and Oklahoma you would have to consider them for the national title.
My Georgia Dawgs have made a great last season run again possibly getting into a BCS game. Also, they need to beat Kentucky this weekend, GA Tech next weekend and hope for a Tennessee loss.
My ultimate dream this year would be Georgia vs Missouri in some BCS game.. I would be torn!!
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| | | 224 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 10:47
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I feel bad for Denis Dixon. The kid rebounded from last years campaign, plays his heart out and sees his opportunity for a national title flushed down the drain. He deserves better...
Arizona played hard the whole game and one cant help but think if Williams didnt drop that TD pass, Oregon would've won. Instead of 8-7, it would've been 15-0. Now that is the game changing performance of the season if you ask me. LSU / Alabama John Parker Wilsons fumble runs a close 2nd though.
All I can say is this: please dont rank Oregon below USC! I'm sick of seeing them in BCS bowls! I just hope Arizona State knocks em off and their BCS dreams are shattered.
Oklahoma / LSU in a national title rematch? Could it be?!? lol. I mean sure, Kansas is still undefeated...but lets be serious here, its doubtful that either Mizzou or KU is gonna beat OU. I am not putting it out of the question w/all the whacky upsets taht have happened this season, but still...
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| | | 225 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 11:24
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Being ranked #2 in the BCS seems to be the Kiss of Death this year.
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| | | 226 | angryChair
ID: 100501014
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 15:28
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Yes, being #2 has not been easy---I believe in the Pac-10 alone
three teams have FALLEN from that position. (Cal, Ore, and USC)
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| | | 227 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 18:02
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USC and CAL lost before first BCS, but were ranked #1 and #2 respectfully in USA Today the week they lost.
In the USA Today poll.
- week 'five', #3 FLA, #4 OKL & #5 West VA lost.
- week 'six', #1 USC & #5 WISC lost.
- week 'seven', #1 LSU and #2 CAL lost.
- week 'eight', #3 South FLA lost.
- week 'nine', NO UPSETS
- week 'ten', #2 Boston College lost.
- week 'eleven', #1 Ohio State lost
- so far week 'twelve', #2 Oregon lost.
In BCS.
1st BCS is after week #7 games - #2 South FLA lost.
2nd. [10/22] Nothing happened - top 7 stayed the same for 3rd BCS.
3rd. [10/29] #2 Boston College lost.
4th. [11/5] #1 Ohio State lost.
5th. [11/12] already #2 Oregon lost.
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| | | 228 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 18:07
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Missouri or Kansas over Oklahoma is an upset? Mizzou already almost beat Oklahoma this year, basically if wasn't for a 4th qtr late in the game fumble they probably would of...
My guess, Oklahoma falls to Tech this weekend.. Could be a lot of top 10 changes this weekend... Missouri's matchup is hard... Georgia's Matchup is hard
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| | | 229 | Slizz
ID: 810351319
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 20:40
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Man that Dennis Dixon is one tough mo-fo.
He played nearly the complete 1st quarter vs Arizona through a Torn ACL suffered the week before...regardless of how the season ends...he gets my vote for Heisman.
Dennis Dixon
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| | | 230 | holt
ID: 129202215
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 05:45
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you are such an OU hater promize. OU was up on Missouri 41-24 til Missouri scored a garbage TD with 12 seconds left and made it 41-31. Missouri had 30 rushes for 57 yards in that game, along with 3 pics and the fumble you refer to. But sure, Missouri deserved a win that day. Oklahoma lucked out again.
You should go lay some money on Tech. They're getting 7.5 points. Easy money right?
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| | | 231 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 06:07
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The line is +10 now. I am also backing what I said in post 213. OU is going down.
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| | | 232 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 14:53
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Michigan is looking pathetic. What a difference a year makes.
Regardless of what WVU does today, Ohio State should vault over them. It's up to the Big 12 teams to beat each other up. Kansas - Mizzou - Oklahoma, any of these three can win out and go to the Championship game. If all three lose, then the Buckeyes should go.
Oregon was exposed Thursday, I think they would have lost even with a healthy Dixon. I completely agree with Slizz, there is no questioning his toughness, but, hey, they are the Ducks and the Ducks never actually win anything. Just ask Akili Smith and Joey Harrington or this year's defense.
I can't believe NBC is actually broadcasting ND v. Duke. I would have to think that a 30-year old CrockPot infomercial with a 1-800 number that doesn't work would garner higher ratings!
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| | | 233 | Perm Dude
ID: 251071711
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 15:17
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I think they have to, because of their contract with ND.
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| | | 234 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 15:37
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SZ, you really think Oregon would have lost with a healthy Dixon? I think that's a stretch, at best.
Anyway, off to go tailgating. Wreck Em Tech! :-D
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| | | 235 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 15:49
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SZ, you really think Oregon would have lost with a healthy Dixon?
I do. Arizona has been giant killers in November. They spanked Oregon in Eugene with a healthy Dixon last year. This marks the fourth year in a row that the Wildcats have dashed BCS dreams: UCLA in 2004, Cal in 2005, and Oregon in 06 & 07. I think their luck runs out when they face Arizona St., see, the game is in December ;)
Hey, I'm with ya, Peter N., wreck'em Tech!
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| | | 236 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 16:03
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Did you actually see the start of the Oregon game SZ? Before Dixon went down?
On the first drive, Oregon drove the field in under 3 minutes and easily scored on an untouched Dixon 39 yard run. After a quick interception, Oregon drove the field, only to have a TD pass bounce off Williams' chest for an interception (He was in the endzone). Oregon was driving again in their third possession, when Dixon went down.
There was no way that Oregon would have lost with a healthy Dixon. It's too bad. He was a lot of fun to watch.
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| | | 237 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 17:37
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Did you actually see the start of the Oregon game SZ?
Yeah, I watched the beginning. Had Dixon been healthy, y'all would have made it closer, but still would have lost, probably 48-42 or some such.
Why? Because in the end, we are talking about Ducks. We're talking about a team with a clown named Ryan Leaf on the sideline, nice choice in role models. We're talking about a team who wears goofy uniforms, has Donald Duck as a mascot, and always, ALWAYS finds a way to lose. Ask Ryan about "Couging it". Perhaps its time to unveil a new slogan, "When it's time to step up, DUCK".
Sorry, Tosh, but you must have gotten used to this by now.
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| | | 238 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 18:06
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After all these years, I certainly expect a major injury to ruin a good year. It happens almost every time the Ducks are good.
Of course, I'm still bitter from the 2001-2002 season when the one-loss Ducks got skipped for the BSC championship game. Nebraska lost to Colorado 62-36 the last game of the regular season, yet still was voted into the championship game, where they lost to Miami 37-14.
Meanwhile Oregon, the consensus #2 team in both human polls (and #4 in the BCS), routed Colorado 38-16 in the Fiesta Bowl.
And ... being the only school with a Disney character as their mascot is pretty cool. I suppose you think that a turtle is cooler? Or a Husky (only 9 schools use it). :-)
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| | | 239 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 19:14
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And THAT'S how you beat Cal!
Tosh, you are so damn mellow and unflappable, this husky just can't seem to rub it in!
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| | | 240 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:19
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Oklahoma needs to intercept a few more of those pass attempts [47]. But Graham Harrell fell 9 short of the record for most attempts in a half [at least in record book coming into this year];
56 attempts (in 2nd half) by Rusty Larue of Wake Forest vs Duke, 10/28/1995, 41 completed - does not differentiate in NCAA book by 1st or 2nd half, just a half.
Harrell needs 36 attempts in 2nd half to tie Drew Brees record coming into this year of 83 attempts for Purdue vs Wisconsin, 10/10/1998.
NCAA Record Book
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| | | 241 | Sludge
ID: 177131910
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 00:21
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Peter N. -
You da man!
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| | | 242 | Razor
ID: 221011111
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 01:24
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Re: 238 - IMO, no one would have beaten Miami in 2001.
Position Name
QB Ken Dorsey
FB Najeh Davenport
HB Clinton Portis
TE Jeremy Shockey
SE Andre Johnson
FL Kevin Beard
LT Bryant McKinnie
LG Sherko Haji-Rasouli
C Brett Romberg
RG Martin Bibla
RT Joaquin Gonzalez
[edit] Defense
Position Name
RE Jerome McDougle
DT Matt Walters
DT William Joseph
LE Andrew Williams
WLB D.J. Williams
MLB Jonathan Vilma
SLB Chris Campbell
RCB Mike Rumph
FS James Lewis
SS Ed Reed
LCB Phillip Buchanon
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| | | 243 | Promize@Parents
ID: 31841217
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 07:32
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re: 230 Holt, I think your a bit confused on what happen in the Mizzou / OK game... End of 3rd QTR Missouri had scored back to back TD's, Oklahoma then scored to go up just by 5. What then happen was Missouri fumbled the ball for an Oklahoma TD which took the air out of Missouri. After that, both teams had garbage TD's at the end of the game. So don't tell me that Oklahoma "dominated" the game. Take that game turning fumble away and it is a different ending.
As for my prediction last night, other then the Oklahoma fans, pretty sure 80% of the country saw that one coming. Sorry about your luck, maybe next year.
By the way, not a Sooner hater, I lived in Missouri for mmmm 26 years and love Mizzou and love the Big 12. I have to defend the conference constantly now since I live in Georgia. But I am a huge Georgia Dawgs fan also. Shaping up to be Georgia vs Mizzou in Sugar Bowl and I will be torn.
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| | | 244 | slizz@blackberry
ID: 219562614
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 10:36
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SZ, you make good points, however had williams not dropped that TD pass...its 15 0 oregon instead of 8 7...no way arizona comes back. Instead willaims knocks it up in the air, its a int and arizona drives down scores and momentum changes. Dixon drives em down the field again and in the redzone his knee buckles. That right there showed his importance to the team. Next espn actually showcased brillance bc they showed ryan leaf and I had to chuckle and mutter "game over".
Good for espn, they actually televised decent games this thursday with awesome finishes and giant upsets. It makes up for getting hosed for 1.1 billion to televise crappy monday night football matchups (SF/SEA)...with no flex scheduling.
I couldn't help but smile while watching the oklahoma game...I know we have a couple tech fans here like peter n. I know that mustve been sweet redemption for the homer calls they faced last week vs texas (I don't mind the longhorns bc I got family in austin who are longhorns). But they benefitted by some bad calls before too...kansas circa 04 I believe. Oklahoma state two weeks ago with some non calls, and tech last week. Its amazing they barely win too! But good for tech, they'll goto a decent bowl and opened up the bcs floodgates for DUB V to crash the party.
I am not on the KU bandwagon. they have only beaten one team better than a .500 record and that's oklahoma st. Until they show me something, and they will have to next week, ill believe. I honestly think this is how its gonna play out:
Kansas loses to mizzou, albeit it a entertaining game bc they both will put up pts, and mizzou loses to oklahoma in kansas city. I think 2 at large bcs bids for kansas and mizzou and oklahoma gets the automatic. Promizes worst nightmare happens!!! West virginia national championship. Book it...
Sorry for the long post but I was repping stephen a. smith cheezy doodles style on the blackberry so forgive the penmanship
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| | | 245 | Promize@Parents
ID: 31841217
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 10:48
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LOL Yah Slizz, I wont know what to do... Cry or celebrate if it is Mizzou vs Georgia.. I will be sick for the losing team, and happy for the winning team. I am already trying to decide what outfit to wear to the game.. I could wear the Georgia "blackout" shirt and Mizzou hat... That covers both teams well...
At this point, I think I give the advantage to Mizzou. Troy runs a very similiar offense to Missouri and put big numbers up against Georgia. Yah, I know, it was right after Florida and right before Auburn, but still, Missouri is not Troy. Chase Daniels is a much better leader and athelete then Stafford is right now.
Whatever the case, I'm finding tickets to that game.. Definitely would be dream come true.. But beat Kansas, beat Oklahoma, we play for national title.
Oh yah, don't forget, Oklahoma still plays Oklahoma State, not a slack over team either. Texas is in the hunt now for the Big 12 South. Not so much a GRAND advantage of home field in that game.
Just another comment about Oklahoma, with Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri all being in the Top 25, that helps strengthen the Big 12 as a whole.
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| | | 246 | slizz@blackberry
ID: 219562614
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:09
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Baby Dawgs and NJ's finest - Knowshown Moreno...Georgia is gonna be a force for years to come. Stafford and Moreno. Next year UGA/FLA could be the game which decides the SEC representative for the national championship.
Just for full disclosure here are the teams I like to watch:
First and foremost, I pull for Notre Dame every week no matter what the matchup.
SEC - Auburn
ACC - FSU (for my disdain of all things pennstate)
Big 12 - I like Josh Freeman and if he can put it together and look downfield more, he will be a force in the NFL. No team. 12th man is cool though.
Pac 10 - ANYBODY playing USC.
But what a wacky year for college football...no undefeated squads that will play for the national championship (I don't think KU is gonna cut it). Big 12 could send 3 teams, and deservedly so, to the bcs. Kansas, mizzou, and oklahoma/texas. Good for them...just hope their coaches follow up with their performances this year next (mizzou, kansas)
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| | | 247 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:59
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RE 241: Thanks for the props Sludge! What a wild day and night. :-) Storming the field is a rush. That was the first time I've done it at a football game. Unbelievable win. It also felt good to stick it to the OU fans who were mighty arrogant the night before at some local bars.
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| | | 248 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 18:04
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Kansas loses to mizzou, albeit it a entertaining game bc they both will put up pts, and mizzou loses to oklahoma in kansas city. I think 2 at large bcs bids for kansas and mizzou and oklahoma gets the automatic.
I don't think that is even possible. If you have more patience than I, perhaps you can solve the conundrum that is BCS bowl eligibility.
If I'm reading this right, a fair question because I believe this whole page is poorly written, no conference could ever have 3 BCS teams
No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections.
The only way I could see Georgia play Mizzou in the Sugar Bowl is by having Missouri beat Kansas, then lose to Oklahoma in the Big-12 championship, Georgia beat LSU in the SEC Championship. Ohio State would play either WVU or Arizona State for the National Championship, assuming both those teams win out. If they both lose one game... what a mess!
In short, not very likely, but far stranger things have happened so far this year.
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| | | 249 | holt
ID: 129202215
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 21:41
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good game tech. not exactly sure how serious Sam Bradford's concussion is, but if Halzle starts against Okla State then OU might not even make it to the Big 12 champ game.
What shocked me is that Stoops didn't rely heavily on the running game, ESPECIALLY after Bradford went down. Just totally blew my mind. You can't leave your defense on the field that long and expect them to be able to cover every play. OU was never so far behind that they had to abandon the run. Very poorly coached game by Stoops and his crew.
Gonna have to pull for Kansas or Missouri now. If OU goes to the Big 12 champ game, I may just have to turn the TV off. I can't actively root against the Sooners, but I'm really pulling for a big 12 team to win it all.
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| | | 250 | Sludge
ID: 177131910
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:02
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It also felt good to stick it to the OU fans who were mighty arrogant the night before at some local bars.
As a TTU faculty member, I'm afraid I can't condone this sort of behavior. If you're going to engage in leisure activities on Saturday, then you should spend twice as much time on Friday studying to make up for it.
(Yes, that's tongue-in-cheek.)
I've been saying for years that if TTU ever wakes up with a defense, the rest of IA is in trouble. Of course they aren't just going to "wake up" with one. It'll take much better coaching, schemes, and recruiting.
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| | | 251 | Slizz
ID: 231041822
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 23:10
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So wait, theoretically a 11-1 Kansas team or 11-2 Mizzou team could get locked out of the BCS b/c "No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections."
::shakes head:: Think about it. If Oklahoma won vs Texas Tech and lost to Mizzou in the Big 12 Championship, they would miss out on the BCS all together? Same with Kansas @ 11-1.
I am not even gonna vent b/c its going to do nothing...but just another reason to hate the BCS.
Oh well...
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| | | 252 | Sludge
ID: 16109168
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:31
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Peter N. -
What the Hell is up with the DT today? Their lead story is an AP story from Pakistan? Above a story about TTU's upset of OU? The school paper!
Boggles my mind...
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| | | 253 | Perm Dude
ID: 441058197
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 13:00
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but where does it say that the #1 and #2 BCS teams don't meet in the BCS Championship if they are from the same conference?
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| | | 254 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 14:09
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PD - does not say that...but no more then two teams from one conference can make the BCS. So for example, Mizzou beats KU, Oklahoma or Texas beats Mizzou in the Big 12 championship...KU or Mizzou gets locked out of the BCS b/c of that provision regardless of where they are ranked.
So if my interpertation is correct, Oklahoma/Texas gets the Automatic bid, and even though Kansas finished 11-1 they could get locked out. Personally, I'd love to see that just to see Mangino go on a angry-man tirade. Still, such a flawed system though. Of course this could all be solved if the winner of the MU/KU game wins the Big 12 championship.
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| | | 255 | Perm Dude
ID: 441058197
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 14:16
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The BCS doesn't work that way, by my understanding. According to the BCS eligibility page the conference champions are given automatic berths to the BCS games (bowl games) but I don't see where there is a disqualification for a second place team. #1 looks pretty clear to me:
1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the National Championship Game.
Maybe I'm overlooking it. There is, of course, the natural difficulty of a #2 conference team rising to #2 in the BCS standings. But I don't see a statutory one.
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| | | 256 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 18:06
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Although probably incredibly unlikely, I was thinking today there could be a
Georgia vs Missouri matchup in the BCS still.
Follow me...
1 - Before anything, Kentucky has to beat Tennessee this weekend. This would give Georgia the SEC East Title.
2 - Missouri must beat Kansas giving them the Big 12 North Title.
3 - Connecticut pulls the stunning upset over West Virginia. Knocking them out of BCS
4 - Georgia beats LSU in the SEC Championship game knocking them out of the BCS. Win over #1 LSU leap frogs them over Ohio State in the BCS standings.
5 - Missouri beats Texas / Oklahoma in Big 12 Title game
5 - USC beats Arizona State
Leaving #1 Mizzouri vs #2 Georgia
Anyone question that this could happen in the season we have seen already this year? lol
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| | | 257 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 20:28
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First I have to agree - confusing to read.
FWIW, the way I read it is the BIG 12 Champ gets an auto bid. After slots are filled in auto qual and if any of the 10 slots are left ......
Slots 1 > 6; the major conf champs [assuming BCS #1 & #2 will be a conference champ]. Can't imagine a loser of Big 12 or SEC Championship game being #1 or #2 [could be a #3 or #4 - see step 5 & 6 of auto - remeber, these are AUTO QUAL]
Also, Hawaii has a very slim chance of using the top 12 or top 16 rule. Should get us down to step 5 of auto berths with 4 left.
Say LSU loses to a Georgia and ends up #3 is BCS and no conference champ auto bid. Then LSU takes one of the 10 slots as a #3 BCS.
Step 6. Say a non champ Big 12 team is #4 [say Kansas - if OKL is Conference Champ], they get a slot.
THEN YOU DROP DOWN TO THE 'AT LARGE':
A conference can have max of TWO at large bids [ ?? to go with the auto bids]. This leaves 2-4 at large bids [depending on step 5 & 6 of Auto Qual.
The bowls get to pick these teams [as long as they are in the top 14 of the BCS].
Bowls could pick Missouri and Texas if they choose [as longs as in BCS top 14]. This is how #5 BCS, non conference champs get left out of BCS Bowls. It's possible, but not likely and not probable, the Big 12 could have 4 teams in BCS Bowls. But you better have a big traveling fan base and something that would make matchup with opponent interresting for those Bowls picking the at large teams.
=========== I'm confused just from trying to write this and will not swear to it's accuracy.
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| | | 258 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 22:32
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I was sad to see OU lose, but I am excited by how wide open the race for the title game is. It's great for the sport and I would love to see a team that isn't a perennial contender take the big trophy home.
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| | | 259 | holt
ID: 129202215
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 03:45
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playoff system. how many years are we going to have to wait? the discussions that the BCS system creates are just ridiculous. granted, it's better than what we used to have, but it's still hocus pocus.
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| | | 261 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 11:16
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Sludge - work hard, play hard is my motto. However, that does not include studying on a Friday night. :-) I've given up on trying to figure out the DT. At least they gave the defense some credit in yesterday's issue. The overall body of work for the defense has been impressive since Ruffin took over. I like the enthusiasm he has brought as well. Hopefully that carries over into next year. I got a good laugh reading the story today about students rushing the field. I admit, I did have to dodge a state trooper. ;-)
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| | | 263 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 15:26
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If Oklahoma/Texas wins the big 12 championship, someone is getting jobbed from that conference!
In a way, thats actually good b/c it will fuel the "Playoff System" fire.
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| | | 264 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:33
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There's also this wacky wacky scenario that may someday happen.
I am a follower of the Big Ten, being a Penn State fan. Teams in the Big Ten have an 8 game conference schedule, meaning there are always two conference teams that a Big Ten team does not face, and they do not have divisions or a championship game. It is possible that some day one of the lower Big 10 teams (ala Kansas this year) has a breakout season and doesn't have either Ohio State or Michigan on their schedule (chances are that they would have at least one), meaning you could potentially have two undefeated teams in the same conference.
Could you imagine a Ohio State vs. Northwestern BCS championship game? Oh the joy!
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| | | 265 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:42
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How exactly would it be getting jobbed if a team that does not win their conference (or possibly not even make their conference championship game) does not get a BCS bid?
The arguments for a playoff can be incredibly specious sometimes, especially in years when it appears the BCS will work. The problem with pro-playoff folks is that they do not want to admit that the BCS is ever favorable to a playoff. In certain circumstances where there are two and only two unbeaten teams from major conferences, the BCS is definitely preferable to forcing those two teams who earned a title shot to play extra rounds of playoff games.
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| | | 266 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:55
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I have to agree with Razor here, I think the BCS is working this year. It doesn't work perfectly, but some of us like having some traditions honored, like the Rose Bowl.
If Kansas loses to Missouri, they don't deserve a BCS bid because they would not have beaten anyone of note.
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| | | 267 | holt
ID: 129202215
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:56
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I'd have to disagree with that Razor. The BCS is never preferable to a playoff, in any situation. Try to imagine NCAA basketball, the NFL, Division II football, ANY sport for that matter, using the BCS system to determine it's champ. You can't. It's a stupid system. Not much more advanced than the simple poll system that used to be in place.
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| | | 268 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 19:21
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SEC strength up and down just killed themselves again for a BCS Championship...
Does look a lot better for my Mizzou Tigers though if they win tomorrow.
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| | | 269 | Slizz
ID: 291022316
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 20:18
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DUB V playin for the national championship tomorrow!
They knock off UCONN, no matter what happens...they should be in there.
Now I must ask this question:
How far does LSU Fall? IF they win the SEC championship, do they deserve to be ranked above Ohio State??
Afterall, both their losses were in 3OT.
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| | | 270 | Perm Dude
ID: 241052311
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 21:44
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#266: I agree--in a confusing year like this (especially with the one undefeated team not being all that good), the BCS gives some clarity to the whole situation, by having a formula that works.
But this is an unusual year.
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| | | 271 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 22:23
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Colt doing it all so far, 26 passes and 2 rushes.
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| | | 272 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 00:02
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269 Slizz
Nope....Not going to be ranked in front of OSU with more losses. I bet if WV losses as I suspect they will then OSU plays in Championship bowl against Kansas-Missouri winner.
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| | | 273 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 00:21
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Don't forget that the Kansas - Missouri winner still has to play Oklahoma.
Still kind of crazy and no decision yet.
Cliff
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| | | 274 | Perm Dude
ID: 241052311
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 00:25
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OSU fell 7 places after their only loss. LSU will tumble to 6th or 7th after their second, with everyone else moving up.
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| | | 275 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 10:44
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273 GoatLocker
I did not see that on their schedule, so is that a championship game of sort?
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| | | 276 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 12:40
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CJ,
Yes, the Big 12 North Champ plays the Big 12 South Champ.
Game will be next week.
Cliff
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| | | 278 | Slizz
ID: 291022316
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 17:13
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I am not exactly sure LSU falls that much. I think they are ranked directly behind Ohio State after this weekend and could leapfrog them in the BCS with a convincing win in the SEC Championship.
That said, my national championship:
West Virginia vs. *sigh* Ohio State
I'd love to see a SEC team (Baby Dawgs or LSU) but will have to settle for the Buckeyes instead. They are like the San Antonio Spurs of college football. Great team, good fundamentals, consistent winners, but just BORING AS H3LL to watch!!!
I'd love to see Mizzou; exciting offense, heisman hopeful qb, but I just cant see them beating Oklahoma. Obviously I think they'll beat Kansas.
Now I ask you this, if/when Mizzou beats KU and assume they lose in the Big 12 championship to Oklahoma; Who is the odd man out in the BCS picture?
The rules state only 2 schools from one conference are allowed so will it be either KU (11-1) or Mizzou (11-2) who advances. I know i've mentioned this before, but what do you guys say?
Of course Mizzou could beat OU and both Mizzou and KU (11-1 in the big 12 should be good enough for an at-large) go to the BCS...and that would take all headaches away!
The loser goes to the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl and plays Oregon/USC/Arizona State (good bowl, not bcs payouts)
At least USC isnt going to be playing for the National Championship! As big of a USC hater I am, they are only 2nd to PennState in my books. USC definitely deserves to get into the BCS. I'd much rather see a good, quality football team, then some football school du jour! Personally, I'd like to see USC / Ohio State. Even though USC would probably win, it would be a fun game to watch.
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| | | 279 | Perm Dude
ID: 21052410
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 18:17
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Just as WV vs CT started getting boring, the UK/TN game picked up. What a game!
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| | | 280 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 19:40
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My guess [either BCS or Polls]. Been trying to think if the winner of KAN - Mizzou makes much difference. If West VA could be #1 if Missouri wins?? Maybe. Think it will be close at the top.
Winner Kansas - Mizzou moves #1
West VA close #2 [maybe #1 if Missouri wins]
Ohio St #3
Loser Kansas - Mizzou, LSU & Georgia #4, #5 & #6 [could go different ways - or vary by poll / computer]
VA Tech #7
Oklahoma #8
USC #9
Florida #10
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| | | 281 | slizz@blackberry
ID: 219562614
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 20:35
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Great post...however how would you explain ranking kansas below osu considering osu lost to an unranked opponent?
At most they shouldn't move below #4.
Now if they get blown out (like I think) they should.
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| | | 282 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 20:54
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slizz - good point.
If Missouri loses, I see them in #4-6 group. If Kansas loses, maybe they stay #3. Still close. Could vary between polls and computers. The voters have short memories.
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| | | 283 | Perm Dude
ID: 21052410
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 21:53
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And late losses seem to weigh more in the minds of the voters. As well as losses in the final game (no chance to make it up). OSU won their last game, in Ann Arbor, which gave them a little bounce in the polls.
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| | | 284 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 23:47
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#2 goes down again. go figure.
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| | | 285 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 02:14
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Revised 'detailed' guess.
BCS
1. West Virginia [.979]
2. Missouri [.964]
3. Ohio State [.878]
4. LSU [.843]
5. Kansas [.830]
6. Georgia [.811]
7. VA Tech [.740]
8. USC [.674]
9. Oklahoma [.638]
10. Florida [.637]
11. Arizona St
12. Boston Coll
13. Hawaii
14. Tenn
15. Illinois
16. Oregon
17. Wisconsin
18. Clemson
19. Virginia
20. Texas
21. BYU
22. Cincinnati
23. Boise St
24. South FLA
25. Auburn
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| | | 286 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 10:37
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It's annoying to me to think that if the Gators had just taken care of business against LSU or Auburn, we might be sitting pretty for a BCS berth right now.
Of course, the sweet taste of that beatdown over the Seminoles last night truly feels like a salve on my wounded pride. I've only been following UF since 1994 and I can't remember ever feeling so good about a victory over FSU, with the exception of the `96 Sugar Bowl that led to the National Championship. 4 in a row over the Semis; man, is that a sweet accomplishment.
Cismesia ought to be a good pro.
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| | | 287 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 11:30
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Not quite the way I thought it might happen, but GA vs Missouri is still very much a possibility.
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ID: 291022316
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 12:49
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Its amazing that UF isnt even going to make the BCS b/c of a technicality (only two teams from one conference allowed). One will be the SEC championship winner (most likely LSU b/c UT is gonna get punished) and the other will be the Baby Dawgs.
I do hope that the Capital One Bowl is the Ron Zook bowl. that would be awesome!
In my opinion, UF, followed by USC is playing some GREAT football now. This should only fuel the speculation for a playoff system bc both teams have outspoken coaches. Pete Carroll and Urban Meyer are whiners (esp. Urban after his rant to influence voters last year) and will use the media to make their voices heard.
Even though the season is incomplete, my heisman vote would goto Dennis Dixon. There is nobody more important to his team's success then him. Oregon looked AWFUL vs UCLA. AWFUL. Tim Tebow is a close second, but hands down there was nobody more important to his teams success than him. Oregon went from the highest of highs to crap when he went down.
I think that is a pretty good ranking, but here would be my "power 10" should be:
1) Mizzou - Are they better than the rest? no, but they deserve to be there. Chase Daniel, like Tom Brady just wins. he was 47-1 in HS, and now is 11-1 in College.
2) WVU (please dont rank me #2!!!!)
3) LSU
4) UGA
5) USC
6) Florida
7) Ohio State
8) Oklahoma
9) Kansas
10) Hawaii - why not? Like the Colts and Chiefs of this decade. All offense, no defense.
VT, like KU is a tad overrated. But thats how my power rankings would be :) I think games vs KU and Hawaii are the only ones that would be close.
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| | | 289 | Perm Dude
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Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 12:56
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Its amazing that UF isnt even going to make the BCS b/c of a technicality
I have no idea where you are getting this, Slizz. I cannot find any such rule, technical or not, in the BCS rules.
Perhaps you are talking about automatic bids?
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| | | 290 | Punk42AE
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Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 13:24
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Only two schools from a Conference can be in BCS games to my knowledge.
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| | | 291 | Slizz
ID: 577162119
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 17:26
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PD: the BCS rulebooks, per my interpretation state that only two teams from one conference may goto a BCS bowl.
Reference post 262 from Seattle Zen.
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| | | 292 | Ref
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ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 21:18
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They mentioned that rule late in the KU/Mizzou game.
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| | | 293 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 21:46
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BCS 11/25/2007
1. Missouri 11-1
2. West Virginia 10-1
3. Ohio State 11-1
4. Georgia 10-2
5. Kansas 11-1
6. Virginia Tech 10-2
7. LSU 10-2
8. USC 9-2
9. Oklahoma 10-2
10. Florida 9-3
11. Boston College 10-2
12. Hawaii 11-0
13. Arizona State 9-2
14. Tennessee 9-3
15. Illinois 9-3
Both Steve and Slizz overrate the SEC as LSU sank to 7th. Interestingly, Georgia is 4th in the nation, top ranked SEC team, but isn't good enough to represent the SEC East in the Championship game. Since neither they nor Ohio State have any more games, despite Promize's hopes, there is no way Georgia meets Missouri in any bowl game.
These are Brad Edward's predictions of the BCS games if Missouri beats Oklahoma and I agree with him.
Allstate BCS National Championship Game
Missouri (Big 12 champ) vs. West Virginia (Big East champ)
The Rose Bowl Game presented by Citi
Ohio State (Big Ten champ) vs. USC (Pac-10 champ)
FedEx Orange Bowl
Virginia Tech (ACC champ) vs. Georgia (at-large)
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl
Kansas (at-large) vs. Arizona State (at-large)
Allstate Sugar Bowl
LSU (SEC champ) vs. Hawaii (at-large)
I'd rather see Hawaii matched up against Kansas or AZ State because they are fun to watch and I believe they would upset just about anyone except LSU in the Sugar Bowl, too much home cookin' to overcome.
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ID: 529121611
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 21:52
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Florida is not going to a BCS bowl because they have lost THREE games. I know it's hard to fathom sometimes down there in Georgia or where ever, but there are other teams in the nation that have not lost three times. Where you might think that Florida is superior to Ohio State, Slizz, no one else in the world does.
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Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 22:00
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UGA could play for the national championship with two losses. I don't think there is any way WVU loses but Oklahoma could upset Mizzou which would vault OSU into the title game again.
RE ZEN
No one thought Fla was better than OSU last year either, but they showed us a thing or two! ;)
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| | | 296 | Perm Dude
ID: 161012259
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 22:05
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#291: Got it, thanks.
As predicted, LSU drops quite a bit (ironically, the same 7 places Ohio State dropped when they lost to Illinois).
OSU is actually in a strangly good position. If either WV or MO losses, they are in the BCS Championship Game. A WV loss against Pittsburgh seems unlikely, but the Oklahoma v Mizzou game will be very interesting.
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| | | 297 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 01:28
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SZ - Didn't over rate the SEC, guessed wrong on the Harris and USA pollsters on both LSU and GA. I didn't really see two loss [SCAR & TENN] GA jumping past LSU and to #4 [although I grouped them in 4-6 in my initial post] and I didn't see VA Tech [48-7 loser to LSU] passing LSU. But LSU lost to KY and ARK, so ........
FWIW ..... I like turning the BCS rate into a BCS AVG ranking NUMBER. If you are unanimous #1, you're BCS average is 1.000. Unanimous #2 = .9600, #3 = .9200. You convert those numbers to get the aveage of where the polls and computers 'ranked the teams'.
26 - [BCS AVG * 25] = AVG of the Ranking.
BCS AVG converted.
1.55 __ Missouri
1.72 __ West VA
3.02 __ Ohio St
5.32 __ GA
6.21 __ Kansas
6.47 __ VA Tech
6.64 __ LSU
8.69 __ USC
8.93 __ OKL
10.54 __ FLA
10.58 __ Bos Coll
11.41 __ Hawaii
12.07 __ ARZ St
14.47 __ Tenn
15.51 __ ILL
17.61 __ Clemson
19.24 __ Oregon
19.43 __ WISC
20.37 __ BYU
20.46 __ Texas
21.30 __ South FLA
21.51 __ Virginia
22.28 __ Cinci
22.32 __ Auburn
23.19 __ Boise St
GA, KAN, VA Tech, LSU separted by 1.32
I think it's cut and dry, Missouri vs WVA or WVA vs Ohio St in BCS Championship Game. Looks like OKL opened a 3 point favorite over Missouri.
And another FWIW, we'll see if a LSU win over TENN [not a certainty the way LSU defense has been playing] moves them past anyone in the computers. VA Tech gets a rematch with BC. A win will keep VT ahead of LSU.
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| | | 298 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 03:39
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There's no way WVU loses to Pitt. Maybe like a 3% shot they lose.
MU is not favored to beat OU which is really odd considering for 3 quarters they were beating OU at OU and they are arguably better now while OU is worse. I'm guessing if they somehow kept the KU game to double digits that the game would at least be a pick em. What sucks is the big 12 championship is most likely going to knock the loser out of the BCS while KU slips in without beating anybody ranked in the top 30. Really sick if MU misses out while only losing twice to a top 5 team(if OU wins they'll be back in the top 5).
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| | | 299 | Mötley Crüe
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Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 07:30
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Where you might think that Florida is superior to Ohio State, Slizz, no one else in the world does.
Call me "no one else in the world".
Florida would kick Ohio State's butt if they played in a bowl game. Ohio State is not a great team. Florida is ranked in the BCS Top 10 despite losing three times, Seattle Zen. The computers and pollsters recognize they are a strong team from a strong conference (3 of the Top 10 BCS teams; only the Big 12 can match that).
Ohio State's 2007 schedule
They've played no teams ranked better than 20th this season. UF may have lost 2 more games, but the Gators have likely benefited from having played the much tougher competition offered by the SEC.
Check out UF's schedule and the rankings of our opponents. This evidence is pretty strong in the Gators' favor.
I'm fairly sure you are aware of all of these statistics, SZ. I wonder what your reasoning could be for proclaiming no one thinks Ohio State is inferior to Florida. Is having lost 2 fewer games really that significant if those games are the equivalent of playing the Columbus Clippers and Louisville Redbirds? If you wouldn't mind explaining why you think Ohio State is clearly much better than Florida, I'd like know.
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| | | 300 | Perm Dude
ID: 551046269
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 11:01
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There's no doubt Florida's played a tougher schedule. But there's no way a three loss team with a tougher schedule would be ranked ahead of a one-loss team. The reasoning: "How much better can they be if they lose two more games?"
I'm not saying it is fair, I'm just saying that they need to take care of business first. Ohio State has only played three teams ranked at the time (Illinois at least, has not moved to #15), but beaten them all.
They've played no teams ranked better than 20th this season
The Big Ten is just not all that big this year. We know it. But when you win the games you play you get the rankings.
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| | | 301 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 11:02
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RE: 293 - I agree with the BCS bowl games with the exception of Virginia Tech. Tech consistently takes a nosedive towards the latter part of the season under Beamer and struggles to beat ranked opponents towards the end of the year. I think they fall to BC, and are KO'd from the BCS all together. They could get the sympathy factor in an at-large for the BCS payout to help fund some campus activities/facilities throughout the school, which I would be totally fine with. But from a pure performance stance, I do not think they are worthy of a bid.
SZ - I am from New Jersey, not Georgia, just for full disclosure. I am also a Notre Dame fan, hence my disdain for USC, or as Steve Buerlein would say "USC Thugs". As for PennState, again for disclosure, I have to deal with those nitwits on a daily basis at the gym and the idiocy that comes out of their mouthes just makes me roll my eyes...that and attending a game at "Happy Valley" will do it for you too. Idiots.
Lets see, UF lost to LSU by a 4th down last minute TD, Auburn by a last second FG, and Georgia, a top 10 team in a rivalry game on a neutral field. They are a great football team with arguably the best player on it in Tebow. Do you honestly think Kansas would even give UF a game? Even Missouri? (and I love Chase Daniel) Seriously...
Ohio State played cupcakes and benefitted from the extremely weak Big Ten. Sure, OSU has a great defense, but their offense is terrible and if they lined up and squared off with UF again, I bet it would be a total blow-out. Thanks Motley for your in depth analysis and post for making points I would've made in addition to the above and taking it steps further :)
The original purpose of the BCS was to plot the best teams to play eachother. Although UF's record might not indicate that, they truely are one of the best teams in the nation.
RE: 298 - have you ever gone to a backyard brawl game? Its pretty intense. In the Wannstedt era, its been all WVU...but it would not surprise me at all to see PITT give them a game. #1 team, chance to knock your bitter rival out of the national championship picture and build momentum for next year.
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ID: 49112418
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 11:51
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Maybe they are so "fun to watch" Zen because of their really easy schedule.
They were willing to go to Michigan this year, but Michigan backed out and scheduled a Div I-AA squad whom they could whoop.... WHOOPS!
Motley, Slizz, and every other SEC homer - You guys are really tiresome. Florida may beat Ohio State in a bowl game, this year we've seen far stranger things happen. Even if there was a playoff system in place, Florida would be watching from the sidelines. See, if you finish third in your division, not your conference, YOUR DIVISION, you stay at home to work on your Home Ec. paper. Florida hasn't earned the right to play Ohio St. Why is Ohio St. better than Florida - Ohio St. won their conference, Florida finished in the middle of the pack. Win your games, Florida, then we'll talk.
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| | | 304 | Myboyjack
ID: 521036169
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:14
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Why is Ohio St. better than Florida - Ohio St. won their conference
So, like, Central Michigan is better than Kansas. I get it.
Here's my " if they played right now" Top 10 teams (I guarantee you that, on a neutral field this is closer to how the boys in Vegas would align them;)
1. Florida
2. USC
3. LSU
4. Georgia
5. West Virginia
6. Ohio State
7. Oklahoma
8. Missouri
9. Virginia Tech
10. Clemson
Disclaimer: I'm a Louisville fan.
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| | | 305 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:18
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Touched a nerve SZ? :)
*laughs*, I did not know that. I don¡¦t have a problem with UM, or any big D-1 school scheduling a ¡§cupcake¡¨/¡¨lay-up¡¨ first game. Unlike the NFL, college football does not have preseason, so its always good to get a teams confidence up and have them play in game speed before facing off versus a much stiffer opponent later on.
I have talked at length with SW about this regarding FSU. I have tremendous respect for Bobby Bowden always playing the openers versus ranked teams, or solid teams (like Clemson) for national media attention (primetime game on ESPN) with the risk of a loss and drop in rankings/potential BCS berth. Same goes for Notre Dame ļ Either side is right. I am more of a traditionalist who believes in the cupcake opener rather than the latter.
As for the SEC homer comment; I¡¦m not going to fight you. I sometimes just post SEC propaganda to get a rise¡Klol, but seriously, almost every Saturday you are GUARANTEED a great game on CBS or ESPN. No other conference in the country can offer that. The Pac-10 can give you a good match up every now and then, but not consistently like the SEC¡Kwhich is why everyone says it¡¦s the best football conference from top to bottom. That¡¦s why I love watching it.
I do agree with you on your point though. My comment above where I ranked UF high and said it¡¦s a shame that they don¡¦t get an opportunity to play in a BCS bowl is based on the premise of the BCS itself: Plot the best teams against each other. UF and USC (yes I can give props too) are two of the best teams in the nation and would make formidable opponents to whoever they match up with. But unfortunately if that was the case, schools like Kansas or Hawaii wouldn¡¦t get an opportunity to showcase themselves on the big stage. So it¡¦s a double-edged sword: Do you want to see the best teams? Or the teams that did what they had to get there¡K? Again, more reason for a playoff system within the BCS!!!
Don¡¦t get me wrong, I am not knocking Ohio State b/c they went 11-1. They played the Big Ten schedule just like every other team and made it through hardly scratched at all. They deserve the BCS, I just don¡¦t think they¡¦re the 3rd best team in the country! I would much rather see a National Championship game with LSU or *gasp* USC if Mizzou loses on Saturday to Oklahoma.
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| | | 306 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:20
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MBJ - Here's my " if they played right now" Top 10 teams.
Well, I don't think you really mean "right now".
Tebow broke his right, non-throwing hand Saturday night against rival Florida State and will be in a cast for at least two weeks.
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| | | 307 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:24
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Your list was great...UNTIL I SAW CLEMSON @ #10!!!!!!!
I'd put BC before both of them. BC won @ VT in Thursday primetime, & @ Death Valley to clinch their part in the ACC, also in primetime!
You gotta rank BC @ least #9 by those measures than.
As for #10, I'd put the Fightin' Zookers (Illinois)
Take away that ugly Iowa loss (they just played like garbage and should get a mulligan for that performance), and you gotta rank Illinois #10. They barely lost to Michigan, and the only other loss on the season was a last minute defeat to the now #1 team, Mizzou. They knocked off Ohio State and IMHO can ball with just about anybody. Juice Williams & Regis Benn...awesome combo.
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| | | 308 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:33
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Random Thoughts...
RE: 303, come to think of it, UM typically struggles vs the Spread offense (hence the Northwestern scare, Oregon blowout loss, and arguably the biggest upset in App State.)
I cant help but think that is the sole reason they didn't want to schedule Hawaii and derail a national championship run. Hawaii had the hot heisman favorite QB in Colt Brennan. If they lost that game, nobody would've dogged them, they would've just praised Brennan. Instead they made a mockery of the program at the time.
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ID: 65112917
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:37
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I love how one game turns everyones opinion about USC around. They beat an overrated ASU by 20. Impressive but just about every other team in the top 10 has a victory like that. USC has had way too many close games and 1 really really ugly loss(yeah, they were banged up but that's no excuse to lose to Stanford). They could beat any team but to say they are favored over any of them is a stretch. Oddsmakers might actually favor USC but they know it's because every USC homer is going to bet the crap out of them.
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| | | 310 | J
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ID: 049346417
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 13:44
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Kinda the same as how UF dominates a crappy FSU team (at least we have another good fat drunk kicker!) and now everyone thinks the Gaturds are the most unstoppable team in the country. I know my hatred makes me biased, but I'm allowed an opinion.
Watching the SEC lately makes me think the whole conference is overrated. Alabama losing to ULM??? The now #4 team in the country got blown out by Tennessee, who got blown out by Alabama??? All these teams are supposed to be known for amazing defense...well, where has it been for LSU lately? No one can stop anyone in overtime apparently (LSU-Ark, Ten-UK).
Florida lost 3 games...they struggled with mighty FIU (or FAU, whatever) last week until the 2nd half. Just because they dominated my sorry Noles, doesn't make them a top 10 team. At least their basketball team sucks now :)
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ID: 049346417
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 13:49
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BTW - if there were a playoff system, how would you guys seed everyone??
Assuming WVU and Mizzou take care of business, and VT beats BC, LSU beats UT:
1 Missouri vs. 8 USC
2 West Virginia vs. 7 Kansas
3 Ohio State vs. 6 Virginia Tech
4 Georgia vs. 5. LSU
How awesome would that be?
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| | | 312 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 14:30
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SEC = Parity from top to bottom. Just like in the NFL, how in the hell did the Patriots even allow a game vs the Philadelphia Eagles?
As for your rankings, I agree with every one but VT over BC.
Mizzou vs USC is interesting...can Chase Daniel continue his high level of play vs arguably the most talented defense in the nation? I would say so! Even Oklahoma struggled to stop him...and he was injured in that game too.
WVU blows out Kansas, nothing more to say there...
Boston College wins ugly vs the Buckeyes in typical BC fashion.
LSU vs Georgia...I am going with the Tigers. I think their defense would keep Knowshown Moreno in check and force a young Matthew Stafford to beat that defense.
That would leave:
Mizzou vs LSU
WVU vs BC
The dream stops vs LSU for Mizzou. LSU advances to play the Mountaineers who win easily vs BC.
I really think the Mountaineers might take it all this year. I would really put them versus any team in the nation. Heisman hopefuls @ QB & RB with the best dual threat freshman spelling slaton. The best fullback in the nation in Owen Schmitt and a proven system. They improved their "achillies heel" in pass defense and still dominate the running game.
Either way its silly to speculate, but a playoff system would be awesome.
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ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 15:24
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I am not a College Football afficinado like many of you seem to be, but just because Ohio State hasn't beaten any top 10 teams doesn't mean they aren't really good. Who's to say they wouldn't have lost just one game in the SEC? We just don't know. And Illinois is a very good team. What top teams have WVU beaten? Doesn't mean they couldn't beat them. I pretty much wrote off Michigan and USC after they got embarassed, but I saw Mchigan play later and they looked pretty good. Perhaps USC is the same way?
I hate this BCS stuff, Use it to determine a top 8 or top 16 playoff system incorporating the Bowl structure any way you wish and play it off like every other level and sport does. Then, if you don't bring it on a certain night and lose, you don't deserve it.
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ID: 451036518
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 16:54
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Lots to comment on, but I don't really have time. I will say that I agree with some things recently posted (i.e. Florida can probably beat OSU if they played, USC could be the best team right now, etc.) and disagree with some things (i.e. I don't think Georgia should be in any national title talks and Kansas should not make any BCS game over OU or Mizzou).
One thing is for sure, I am a big Boomer Sooner fan this weekend so I can see OSU go to the national championship game against WVU. I am worried that we'd get smoked by WVU, though, because it is a more explosive version of the Illinois offense. But, I'd still rather play them than USC...the national title is just a nice side piece of that.
Really, what I came here to post is the following youtube clip from the MD vs. NC State game from last weekend. Classic referee call!
Giving him the business
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ID: 129202215
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 20:02
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I hate this BCS stuff, Use it to determine a top 8 or top 16 playoff system incorporating the Bowl structure any way you wish and play it off like every other level and sport does. Then, if you don't bring it on a certain night and lose, you don't deserve it.
REF FOR PRESIDENT
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ID: 499271021
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 01:48
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Anything can happen like WVU losing this weekend. Nothing this year has gone according to percentages. I want to point out one thing why OSU suffered their only loss this year by Illinois.
NO Turnovers by IL
I think 1st penalty came in the fourth. They made no mistakes and the buckeyes could not do what they normally do...prey on other teams mistakes.
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| | | 317 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 19:19
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COLLEY BCS Rankings - add delete games
You can have a little fun with one of the BCS Computer polls. Add various results of this weeks games.
Noticed in this poll [after just entering an LSU win], that they moved up to #3. Why? At #5, they were .00320 behind #4 Georgia, and .00512 behind #3 Ohio State.
Here si top 10 after entering [max 5 games add at a time]:
Oklahoma > Mizzou
LSU > Tenn
Va Tech > Bos Coll
ARZ St > Arizona
USC > UCLA
1. West VA
2. LSU
3. VA Tech
4. Ohio St
5. GA
6. Mizzou
7. OKL
8. ARZ St
9. FLA
10. Bos Coll
Can't add games at Jeff Sagarin, but - if Missouri loses, no telling what happens in the computers - teams are super close - still don't think any team can pass Ohio St in the voter polls, but it could be interresting Saturday:
1. MIZZOU --- 93.37
2. WEST VA -- 91.65
3. KAN ------ 89.94
4. VA TECH -- 89.74
5. OHIO ST -- 89.07
6. GA ------- 88.88
7. BC ------- 88.73
8. LSU ------ 88.51
Here is Wolfe:
1. Mizzou --- 7.133
2. West VA --- 6.911
3. Ohio St -- 6.567
4. VA Tech -- 6.556
5. Kansas ---- 6.513
6. Georgia --- 6.487
7. BOS Coll -- 6.457
8. LSU ------ 6.395
At Massey, 0.055 between #3 - #7. #3 GA is 0.079 behind #1 [just for reference].
1. MO ------ 2.248
2. WEST VA - 2.211
3. GA ------ 2.169
4. OHIO ST - 2.145
5. VA TECH - 2.139
6. LSU ----- 2.119
7. KANSAS -- 2.114
At Anderson - Hester [SEA TIMES}, Ohio State looks safe, but close after that [#3 and #4 can get auto bid];
1. Missouri ----- .784
2. West VA ------ .770
3. Ohio St ------ .764
4. Kansas ------- .748
5. Georgia ------ .742
6. LSU----------- .740
7. Arizona St --- .739
8. USC ---------- .737
9. VA Tech ------ .731
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ID: 426242722
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 11:31
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Anybody want to make predictions on some of the big games this week? I'll take a stab.
Mizz(+3) outright over OU(Coffman doubtful concerns me, but sticking with my gut)
LSU(-7.5) to crush TENN
Pitt(+28.5) loses, but covers against WV
BC(+5) outright over VaTech
USC(-20) makes a laugher out of UCLA
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| | | 319 | leggestand
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ID: 451036518
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 12:17
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Steve, thanks for that post, just kidding...if OU beats Missouri and OSU doesn't make the national championship, I will be sick. I'm not saying OSU deserves to be there, but it would just crush me to see OSU get jumped when it looks like all we need is #1 or #2 to lose this week. I didn't think there was a chance to miss out otherwise, but you have now kept me from sleeping tomorrow if Mizzou goes down...thanks for that.
Peter N, I have bet on:
OU (-3.5) for the reason that Missouri hasn't "been there" before. In my opinion, very rarely does a team who hasn't been on the national stage play like it should be on the national stage. Although last week was a big game for Mizzou also, they were in the same boat as Kansas, so, someone had to win.
Tennessee (+7.5) for the reason that Les Miles was given permission to talk to Michigan, albeit after this game. It counts as a distraction, and, IMO, any distractions going into a conference championship game are bad news.
I am not touching any of the other big games because I have no idea. The only other game I have picked is Oregon State over Oregon (Pick em).
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| | | 320 | Perm Dude
ID: 2710413011
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 12:45
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The key is the voting polls, and there's no way OSU & GA slip down in the voting polls no matter what happens around them. The rest will shuffle quite a bit, but (except for VT v Pitt) they all look to be pretty competitive games.
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ID: 451161019
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 14:32
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Don't worry leggestand - I agree on WVA, MO, Ohio ST and 'polls' [as I said in #297 - I think it's cut and dry, Missouri vs WVA or WVA vs Ohio St in BCS Championship Game].
Polls are the driving factor in BCS [67%]. Computers can make a difference. No one will pass West VA or Ohio St in polls or BCS [or Missouri if they win]. Not sure how safe GA is with VA Tech & LSU. But that does not affect BCS Championship [or auto bids - could cost GA auto bid - LSU & VA Tech get auto bid if they win - conf champ - #3 or #4 means nothing to them]
Just thought the closeness of 4-7 in polls and computers was interresting [for those who occasionally play with stats and numbers] and any 'strange' changes in BCS Top 10 would not really be 'strange' to teams that win or are not playing.
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ID: 451036518
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 14:47
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Understood, steve...I was just busting your chops for throwing all this "data" at me!
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| | | 323 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 14:49
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Steve, give me one reason why you think VT is that good?
My picks:
Mizzou (Chase Daniel plays out of his mind, wins The Heisman)
LSU over Tennessee in dramatic SEC fashion, as us SEC HOMERS (thanks SZ) have come to expect.
BC over VT in a typical BC win. (keeps it close all game and eeks it out in the end)
WVU over Pitt. I agree, Pitt absolutely covers, but it will still be a 2-3 score game. Under Wanny, Pitt just cant stop Slaton & Co.
Ok now just for $h1ts sake, assume both WVU and Mizzou lose. Who plays in the national title game?
Obviously the winner plays Ohio State b/c by default they'd be the team to move up despite their "signature" win would be vs. 4-8 Washington (yea, the Pac 10 is really great!) or UMich. We dont count garbage like Penn State as a signature win (had to get my shot in there).
Do you put arguably the youngest, hottest team despite not winning their division in the national championship (Georgia) in to square off b/c they were #4?
To my main point: What if USC Pummels UCLA by like 7-8 scores and wins in convincing fashion? Do you put USC in the national championship?
Conference Title? Check.
Voters Love Them? Check.
Most talented team left? Check.
Or do you put LSU for playing the SEC schedule and winning the conference championship despite losing twice in triple overtime each time to now unranked opponents?
Again, I'd lean towards LSU b/c of the "quality losses" factor.
USC lost to Stanford!!! They also lost to a Oregon team (who at the time were nasty b/c of Dennis Dixon), but now stink and would probably have trouble scoring vs Permian's defense!
Just throwin that out there, your guys thoughts?
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| | | 324 | holt
ID: 129202215
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 18:56
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Just wondering, why is OU so much lower in the BCS rankings than other 2 loss teams? Obviously beating #1 Missouri doesn't count for much. The only obvious answer to me is that the BCS rankings look pretty much the same as the coaches poll. As much as the BCS like to push itself as a legitimate way to crown a national champion, it's still based on a ridiculous system that considers late season losses more important than early season losses. Thank God for the NFL.
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| | | 325 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 20:37
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slizz - don't like VT. [lived in Louisiana for 26 years - also an Auburn fan, daughter graduated from there in 2000].
Was shocked VT ended up ahead of LSU in USA Today poll and by 0.020 in Computers. LSU crushed them 48-7 on National TV. But the current BCS and polls are what they are. Personally, I'd put LSU ahead of VT if the were within one spot of each other just because of the head to head result.
VT's ranking 'confuses' me a little - they are also ranked higher in the computers. [higher than Oklahoma too - holt]
VT - losses and "my qual wins"
L 7-48 at LSU, L 10-14 BOS Coll, W 41-23 Clemson, W 40-21 FLA St, W 33-21 at VA
LSU - losses and "my qual wins"
L 37-43 at KY, L 48-50 Arkansas, W 28-24 FLA, W 28-16 So CAR, W 48-7 VA Tech, W 30-24 Auburn
OKL - ?? COL ranked around 50 in most computer rankings. TEX Tech 30. But USC edged them out in BCS [not polls] and they lost to Stanford [ranked around 80 in most computer rankings] who just lost to Notre Dame. So ?????
OKL - losses and "my qual wins"
L 24-27 at COL, L 27-34 at TEX Tech, W 28-21 Texas, W 41-31 Mizzou, W 42-14 Texas A&M
USC - losses and "my qual wins"
L 23-24 Stanford, L 17-24 at Oregon, W 24-3 ORE St, W 24-17 at CAL, W 44-24 at ARZ ST
Most of these teams are close. My guess is if any of these teams [GA, VT, KAN, LSU, BC, ARZ ST, USC, FLA, OKL] played head to head in a regular season game right now, the home team would probably be favored. Home field advantage would be enough to cover any variance in rating IMHO.
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| | | 326 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 20:38
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LOL leggestand - At least one of us is going to have a good weekend as far as laying some action goes. My top 3 college plays are Mizz straight up, LSU -7, and BC straight up. I also have a side parlay with Oregon PK over Oregon St in it. Good luck, but I hope you are wrong. ;-)
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| | | 327 | slizz@blackberry
ID: 219562614
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 02:33
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Peter...whatever you do...avoid oregon!!!!
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| | | 328 | slizz@blackberry
ID: 219562614
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 08:43
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Peter...whatever you do...avoid oregon!!!!
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| | | 329 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:18
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I really like Tennessee at +7.5. Mizzou taking 3 points is huge value since Vegas oddmakers are notorious about over favoring teams with "history". I think WVU will cover but I'm a little scared they will get up big and then just hibernate in the 2nd half.
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| | | 330 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:34
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Apparently, if OSU goes to the National title game than Illinois will go to the Rose Bowl for two Big Ten teams in the BCS. Then it appears that 7 teams from the Big Ten will go to Bowl games--all with 7 wins. (9 are Bowl Eligible).
It appears that Indiana will play Oklahoma regardless, but either Purdue or Michigan State may not go at all if Mizzou wins.
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| | | 331 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:34
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I meant IU will play Ok St. regardless.
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| | | 332 | Slizz
ID: 521140115
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:43
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Apparently I was wrong about BC/VT.
Talk about Irony...Matt Ryan = Hero @ VT, Goat @ Jacksonville.
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| | | 333 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:46
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BC blew that game big-time. Special teams, as usual, were key for VaTech.
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| | | 334 | Perm Dude
ID: 2710413011
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:59
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Yup. Had the game in hand. When VT got the last minute goal at the end of the first half, you could see BC deflate (starting on that kickoff--what the hell were they thinking?).
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| | | 335 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 21:48
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Any take on ESPN 'reporting' Les Miles was going to MICHIGAN before the SEC game? The 'back tracking' on ESPN is kind of humorous. Not a quote, but: Well, LSU must have made a deal Miles could not refuse after I made the report. I stand by my sources.
Even if the ESPN reporter had 'impeccable' sources, what was the need to report it this morning if MICHIGAN or LSU would not confirm it? Michigan couldn't technically confirm it, they agreed not to talk to Miles until after the game.
Michigan had received permission to talk to Miles, but after the game.
LSU gives Michigan permission to talk to Miles
It would have been expensive for Miles to leave. His contract is thru 2011.
College Contracts dotted with provisions
...... Cost of being a Michigan man: LSU's Les Miles must pay $500,000 to leave before his contract expires at the end of 2011 — $1.25 million if he leaves for Michigan, where he played, graduated with a degree in economics and coached under Bo Schembechler and Gary Moeller.
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| | | 336 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:01
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Is WVA just trying to tease the home town crowd? Drum up some business for WVA cardiologists? [WVA QB out for now] - I did not even consider a WVA loss an option.
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| | | 337 | Perm Dude
ID: 2710413011
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:05
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The evening games are pretty good. I was disappointed in the games during the day, but these two games tonight are pretty good to watch.
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| | | 338 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:21
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Trust me, that $1.25 is nothing in the BCS world.
It sucks that college football has really come down to money...takes the "purity" out of it somewhat.
How about WVU!?!??!
WILL F'N GEORGIA PLAY FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!?!??!
Imagine if both WVU & Mizzou lose!
My guess is pollsters rank USC & OSU #1 & #2.
BS I say, loss to STANFORD and still make it is terrible, just terrible.
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| | | 339 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 421148121
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:48
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If Pitt manages to hold on for the victory, it will definitely be despite the refs. A TD taken back by a "holding" call and then a key first down taken back by a "holding" call and then no call for pass interference on the replay of the third down when the defender CLEARLY, right in front of the ref, grabbed the receiver's jersey and prevented him from making a potential play.
I hate when refs become part of the game, particularly with games like this where so much is on the line.
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| | | 340 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:51
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You "can't beat the refs." :)
We should all have known that WVU was ranked at the dreaded #2 spot.
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| | | 341 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:56
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re: 338
Some pundits were saying that GA would play for the title in their minds if both lost. But no one thought WVU could possibily lose.
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| | | 342 | Sludge
ID: 177131910
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:59
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#2 goes down!
GO OU!
GO CHAOS!
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| | | 343 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 421148121
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:04
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I agree with the announcers of the Pitt/WVU game. How do you put UGA in the National Championship when they didn't even play in their conference championship?
Personally, I think if all else holds as is (OU wins), then we should have a playoff.
Okay, seriously, I think it should be OSU and VaTech. With UGA and Kansas not being in their own conference championship, I see no reason to put them in the national championship.
That said, if I had to choose between UGA and Kansas, I'd send Kansas as they'd at least have the best record in their conference if OU wins.
And while all the 1-A schools complain about how they can't pull off a playoff, 1-AA (or whatever it's called now) is busy playing theirs on the field. Go figure.
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| | | 344 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:12
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BCS Colley computer. Adding OKL > MO; PITT > WVA; VA Tech > BC; LSU > Tenn; USC > UCLA
This give some idea of what happens in the computers.
WVA goes #1 > #8
MO goes #2 > #5
LSU goes #5 > #1
BC goes #6 > #10
VA Tech goes #7 > #2
OKL goes #11 > #6
TENN goes #12 > #18
USC goes #13 > #12
PITT goes #77 > #68
... or this way.
LSU goes #5 > #1
VA Tech goes #7 > #2
Ohio St stays #3
GA stays #4
MO goes #2 > #5
OKL goes #11 > #6
FLA goes #8 > #7
WVA goes #1 > #8
ARZ St at #9 [had no room to add their game]
BC goes #6 > #10
USC goes #13 > #12
TENN goes #12 > #18
PITT goes #77 > #68
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| | | 345 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:14
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This quite possibly could be the worst, best, worst scenario for me to be watching....
I'm long time Mizzou fan, I am also diehard Georgia fan...
This is making me ill watching these football games tonight.....
Can't handle this at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | 346 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:18
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I'm with KKB, Pitt won despite the fact the game was reffed by a collection of WVU players fathers. Worst collection of 4th quarter calls against one team I'm seen in a long time.
You know, when a game is called the Backyard Brawl, yeah, I guess the records can be thrown out. Congrats, Pitt.
I feel bad for Missouri. Imagine being an 80 year old alumnus, nothing but heartache your whole life. Oklahoma has their number.
Where I disagree with KKB is this - how can you think the final game should be Ohio State v. VT when LSU and VT have identical records and LSU simply WAXED them 41-7?
I say Ohio State v. LSU. Screw Georgia.
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| | | 347 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:25
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How do you put VT in there!?!?!?
its gotta be LSU/OU.
How do you put LSU below VT, who not only beat VT, but beat them convincingly (48-7) and called the dogs off in the 3rd.
Dont get me wrong, you gotta argue for a playoff or something! No way Kansas deserves to be there in the BCS championship, maybe even the BCS...Georgia deserves to be in the BCS, but not in the national championship. I cant wait to see what pollsters do tomorrow!
Does Oklahoma vault all the way up?
Does LSU move into the #2 spot?
Craziness.
Here's the thing Koala...there is precedent about not winning your conference with Nebraska. I am at a loss to words...I can only argue LSU vs Ohio State and its another blowout loss vs a SEC opponent for the Buckeyes.
My honest projections (not power rankings like previous posts)
#1 Ohio State (Although I dont think they're the best, as noted by previous posts, you got to put them there)
#2 LSU (2 losses...both in triple OT)
#3 Georgia (UGA/USC is gonna be a great matchup)
#4 Oklahoma
#5 Virginia Tech
#6 USC
#7 Mizzou
#8 Kansas
#9 Florida
Its so difficult to move idle teams up/down but good luck to the pollsters tomorrow!
Lou Holtz peptalks! hahaha.
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| | | 348 | smallwhirled
ID: 381126122
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:26
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WVU laid such an egg. About 175 yards of total offense, are you kidding me? What a fraud. As I watched the game, and cringed at each and every questionable call by the refs, I kept thinking about what a disgrace it would've been if they had come back and actually won that game, and still got the shot.
Just like that game @USF, they are simply soft. They either win a one-sided blowout, or lose. So as that game progressed, I'm glad they lost their shot.
So after all of this.....Playoff?
It'll probably end up being OSU-LSU when it's all said and done I'd have to say.
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| | | 349 | Perm Dude
ID: 2710413011
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:28
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OSU vs LSU. LSU beat VT badly just a ciuple of weeks ago--there's no way VT should get in ahead of LSU.
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| | | 350 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:28
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SZ, for once I dont disagree with anything you posted...in fact I wholeheartedly agree with everything you just said :)
Big ups to Pitt for playing hard-nosed football, but also for playing the #2 team & refs to the wire.
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| | | 351 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:41
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I agree with KKB in that GA didn't even play for their conference championship!!! Hope the voters see that too.
I'd also like to see OSU and LSU as that seems to be the most fair based on this flawed (BCS) system.
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| | | 352 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:53
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Do you think the voters will remember the LSU - VT game? They didn't last week in the USA Today poll. ANd it was close in the computers. Computers see the LSU - VT game as 14-13 - BCS does not use scores.
I think maybe ABC and Brent Musberger may have put LSU ahead in the polls. Really talked them up [because GA was #4, and saying you have to move LSU ahead of GA. Unless I missed it, they did not talk about VT at all. VT beat #10 in the BCS. LSU beat #14.
I think LSU moves up in polls [if voters think about LSU-VT game], and because of GA. Will be close. Nothing 'unanimous'.
Still a mess between GA, VT, LSU, KAN. Computers don't know GA and KAN did not even win their Division.
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| | | 353 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:53
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Wow, I got my ass handed to me today. It was still an entertaining night though! Maybe a night like tonight can finally get a playoff to be seriously considered.
The title game has to be OSU/LSU. I do like how Georgia played down the stretch, but they didn't even play for their own conference title game. End of story there.
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| | | 354 | Perm Dude
ID: 2710413011
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:04
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Do you think the voters will remember the LSU - VT game?
Yes, I do. The final standings is about the only time the voters look back more than a week or so. And remember: 2 of the 3 polls had LSU ahead of VT anyway, and the USA Today poll was very close (1161 vs 1134).
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| | | 355 | leggestand
ID: 3910192720
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:04
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lol, I was feeling for you Peter N. as I saw your picks going the wrong way.
I agree with most here...it has to be OSU vs. LSU, but I think OSU is going to get rocked. Here's hoping VT vaults to #2!
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| | | 356 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:07
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OK...more perplexing question:
WHO IS THE #10 BCS team/last team in?
LOCKS:
Ohio State
LSU
Virginia Tech
USC
Oklahoma
West Virginia
4 At Large:
#7 Georgia
#8 Mizzou or Kansas? (Remember, only two teams from one conference can make the BCS, therefore one isnt)
#9 Hawaii
#10 Illinois or Arizona State (Frauds)
I want to see Illinois. Hopefully the momentum from beating the projected #1 team will get the LAST spot in the BCS as an at-large.
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| | | 357 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:07
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Ok, not so fast my friends, turn on ESPN2
Hawaii is down 14-0 to Washington!!!!
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| | | 358 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:39
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21-0 but wash has blown two straight opportunities now.
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| | | 359 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:41
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Wisconsin is 3 spots behind Illinois, so they probably won't make it, but they probably should.
If Hawaii does lose, it'll probably be Illinois and Arizona State without my controversy.
So let's duke this out tourney style.
#1 Ohio State vs #8 Missouri
#2 LSU vs #7 Georgia
#3 Virginia Tech vs #6 West Virginia
#4 Oklahoma vs #5 USC
Anyone have a problem with that? That's 7 games I'd LOVE to see.
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| | | 360 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:57
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28-7 Wash now.
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| | | 361 | Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 01:07
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Yeah legge, today was just one of those days. I did end up getting LSU -7 for a push, but other than PITT, today was awful.
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| | | 362 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 01:25
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Hold the phone...28-21 Wash now.
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| | | 363 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 01:26
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359 blue hen I am a Buckeye and I see this like this....2cnd round
OSU vs LSU
WV vs OS
Championship game is LSU vs WV
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| | | 364 | Chuck
ID: 581040290
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 01:27
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My pick:
Hawaii vs. Ohio St, assuming Hawaii pulls out the win.
Everything I have heard all year is "Parity, parity, parity." Boise State proved that they could handle it last year. Give Hawaii a chance. If they get blown out, oh well. But LSU could easily have 4 losses this year. IMO, no 2-loss team should should be in a National Championship. OK, I know I'm in a dreamworld. But what IF Hawaii were to beat OSU-- it would actually give more of an argument for a playoff.
I love an underdog story, but still if you lose twice in the regular season, you pretty much don't deserve to be the best team in the nation.
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| | | 365 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 01:47
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chuck - But LSU could easily have 4 losses this year.
OK, Hawaii could easily have lost 2. Won 45-44 over LA Tech [ranked 84] and 28-26 over Nevada [ranked 86]. Guess that knocks them out. Almost loss two games. Or three. Beat San Jose St [ranked #93] in OT.
No two loss team deserves to be in the championship unless it is a year when the only other one loss team is Kansas and the possibly undefeated team is Hawaii. :):)
If LSU was playing Nevada and La Tech [who LSU beat 58-10] on the triple overtime weekends instead of KY and ARK, maybe they could be undefeated like Hawaii. Put KY and ARK in those weekends Hawaii just barely beat LA Tech and Nevada and see what their record is.
What ifs are fun. What is fact, polls and computers will not put Hawaii anywhere near the top 5.
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| | | 366 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 01:53
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Why exactly is Hawaii and Wash even playing each other today?
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| | | 367 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 02:17
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I've never seen a college football game with so many reversals of their calls than in the HAwaii/Wash game. Look slike some pretty shady officiating today as a whole.
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| | | 368 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 03:18
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I can't believe I stayed up and watched this game but it was very very good! Grats to Hawaii!
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| | | 369 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 03:31
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How can I adequately express how it feels to be a Husky fan right now? I feel like a Russian author/playwright. USC, Apple Cup, this... it's unreal. We were kicking their ass! All I can do is swear and punch things.
I've seen far, far too many bad calls tonight. Replay is not working. Jake Locker was not across the line of scrimage.
I'm glad some of you hard cores out there stayed up to watch a good game.
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| | | 370 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 03:38
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Why in the hell have I not heard of Kevin Smith before tonight? He just moved into second place on the all time single season rushing list, passing Marcus Allen. With one game left, he could pass the one record that I always thought was amazing, Barry Sanders' record of 2,628 yards.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=273352116
Seriously, this is monumental, and it's not even on ESPN's front page.
By the way, he plays for Central Florida.
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| | | 371 | Perm Dude
ID: 51111428
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 09:24
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Must have been an amazing game to watch
That said, as noted above, Hawai'i had the easiest strength of schedule, by far, of anyone. Ohio State gets some flack for its schedule (for good reason), but Hawai'i's opponents are statistically half as good as OSU's.
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| | | 372 | Chuck
ID: 581040290
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 09:30
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Re: Schedule-- I honestly can't answer this question:
How much control does Hawaii have over who they play? Obviously, there are conference games they have to play. Beyond that, they cannot force any team to play them. So is there any way of knowing who they tried to schedule but refused?
What I am saying, too, is that you cannot claim parity in college football (7 #2 teams losing to unranked teams) and at the same time say someone's schedule was way too weak. Perhaps Hawaii's schedule was not as relatively weak as the numbers say. Boise State proved the numbers wrong last year.
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| | | 373 | Perm Dude
ID: 51111428
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 09:53
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It isn't just that they played weak opponents. It was that they had the easiest schedule of all 121 Div IA teams.
I understand that Hawai'i can only play who they play. But going undefeated becomes more of an expectation than a real accomplishment once you get down to a certain level.
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| | | 374 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 10:24
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It may have screwed the big 12 out of the title game, but I'm still glad OU won. Put them in the championship game or not, this season has far exceeded my expectations as a Sooner fan.
I honestly have no idea who should play for the crown. The overall set of BCS games should be off the charts though - I'm looking forward to a lot of great football to kick off 2008.
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| | | 375 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 10:38
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Re: 369
SZ, I was rooting for the Huskies too (not sure why) but I thought Lockarw as across the line of scrimmage. My understanding is where the ball is when he lets go of it and that was clearly across the blue line of scrimmage from the TV angle. That being said, the refs missed so many plays!!! Don't remember a worst job of college football officiating.
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| | | 376 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:03
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No two loss team deserves to be in the championship unless it is a year when the only other one loss team is Kansas and the possibly undefeated team is Hawaii. :)
Well said steve, well said.
Polls come out in a little bit, so the BCS picture will begin to crystalize while we wait for the official #'s to come out later today.
I cant help but think a playoff system is going to be implemented. Officials have flirted with the idea of adding 6 BCS games to the slate. If thats the case, why not just have a 8 team playoff which would be 7 games...everyone is happy.
RE: 359
Only one in there I am not sold on...Mizzou. But someone has to be ranked #8!
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| | | 377 | Perm Dude
ID: 51111428
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:06
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I think that in a year like this that the BCS is helpful to sort it out, and playoffs seem less hopefull.
It is when you have 3-4 undefeateds that a playoff looks good, IMO.
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| | | 378 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:09
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The Sagarin BCS ratings are out.
Jeff Sagain BCS Ratings [ELO CHESS in RED is BCS]
NEW [# LW]
1. VT [#4]
2. LSU [#8]
3. OKL [#9]
4. OHIO ST [#5]
5. KANSAS [#3]
6. MO [#1]
7. GA [#6]
8. HI [#14]
9. USC [#10]
10. BC [#7]
11. WVA [#2]
12. FLA [#12]
13. ARZ ST [#11]
14. CLEMSON [#16]
15. SO FLA [#15]
16. VA [#19]
17. TENN [#13]
18. ILL [#17]
19. AUBURN [#22]
20. U CONN [#25]
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| | | 379 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 13:39
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The AP got it right. Well everything BUT Illinois :)
1. Ohio State (50) 11-1 1,578
2. LSU (11) 11-2 1,519
3. Oklahoma (1) 11-2 1,423
4. Georgia (1) 10-2 1,421
5. Virginia Tech (1) 11-2 1,380
6. USC 10-2 1,346
7. Missouri 11-2 1,195
8. Kansas 11-1 1,164
9. Florida 9-3 1,071
10. Hawaii (1) 12-0 1,050
11. West Virginia 10-2 1,040
12. Arizona State 10-2 939
13. Illinois 9-3 797
::keeping fingers crossed that the Fighting Zookers get a BCS Bid over ASU::
One press conference to watch: Mark Mangino's tirade at Kansas after getting left out of the BCS.
Biggest surprise: VT over USC in the polls...other than that the pollsters got it right, for once.
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| | | 380 | Perm Dude
ID: 51111428
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 13:47
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VT got one first place vote. That was probably the difference.
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| | | 381 | Sludge
ID: 177131910
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 14:30
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OSU vs. LSU "almost certain"
Dec 2: Coaches, Poll, Colley, and Sagarin are out. It looks almost certain that it will be OSU vs LSU. The exstimate below includes the afore mentioned polls and I gave OU a solid #3 and VT a solid #4 in Harris. It looks like neither will be able to crack the top two. (sic)
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| | | 382 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 421148121
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 19:10
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Stupid polls.
This week's AP #2-5 (LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, and VaTech) were ranked #5, #9, #4, and #6 respectively.
So, somehow, Oklahoma's win over #1 was enough to leapfrog former #6 VaTech (who beat the #12 team), but not enough to leapfrog former #5 LSU (who beat the #14 team). Yeah, that logic makes COMPLETE sense.
And LSU's win over the #14 team was enough to jump over Georgia into the #2 spot, but VaTech's win over #12 wasn't enough to jump over that same idle Georgia team?
Sorry, but the "logic" just doesn't make sense to me. I'm not particularly on a VaTech bandwagon, but I can make arguments for them just as much as any of the other 2-loss teams out there.
After all, at least VaTech's 2 losses came to ranked teams. LSU lost to Arkansas (ARKANSAS!), who isn't a horrible team, but it's frickin' Arkansas... at home! Oklahoma lost to Colorado (COLORADO!). Georgia lost to South Carolina. Combined record of VaTech's opponents in their losses? 21-5.
Realistically, I can't strongly advocate for any team being in the championship except for OSU. After that, I think arguments can be made for most teams in the top 10. My personal choice of VaTech is admittedly a bit skewed because of where I live, but I really think we could have another opportunity for a split vote.
If it's OSU/LSU and OU/Whoever and LSU barely wins (think 3OT or something) and OU obliterates their opponent, I see no reason why the current "logic" wouldn't put OU in first.
It's funny how the BCS only REALLY works when there's two obvious teams that should meet. And who needs the BCS for that?
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| | | 383 | Perm Dude
ID: 51111428
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 19:21
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LSU shouldn't have been ranked below VT at all, IMO. And VT's win, ironically, helps LSU because it pumps up their SOS and "quality wins" component of the computer rankings.
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| | | 384 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 19:39
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I think the polls corrected for an over reaction last week.
Voters - and if PD is correct, the only time they may have looked close. [i.e. - rather than move teams down that lose and slide teams up that won]
- LSU's win over TENN [a team that beat GA] helped them pass GA.
- voters were reminded all day yesterday of LSU's 48-7 win over VT.
- OKL - does beating a team a second time [not a team the voters think of as #1 anymore] help that much?
KKB - But I agree, I can make an argument pro a con for 5 or 6 teams after Ohio State.
Here is a simplfied summary at ESPN.
ESPN >>> At least seven teams, including once-beaten Ohio State and Kansas, are likely to receive second-place votes in the polls. If the voters rank teams based on perceived strength (who would win on a neutral field), any number of championship game possibilities exist. But what if they vote on merit?
The Contenders
It's always difficult to make assumptions when it comes to the BCS, but it would be shocking if Ohio State (11-1) didn't finish in the top two, and it would be fairly surprising if the Buckeyes weren't ranked No. 1. Here's a look at the teams in contention to face (presumably) OSU for all the marbles.
Immediately behind Ohio State in the current BCS standings are Georgia and Kansas, which failed to win their respective divisions in conference play. Some people might think this is no big deal because two teams in the BCS era have played for the national title without winning their conference championship. It should be pointed out, however, that neither of those teams -- Nebraska in 2001 and Oklahoma in 2003 -- was ranked in the top two of the polls at the end of the regular season, so neither would have played for the title under the current BCS formula.
Georgia (10-2) is at a further disadvantage because it plays in the SEC, which was won by LSU (11-2), and the Bulldogs don't have a head-to-head win over the Tigers to strengthen Dawgs' case against the big cats.
Kansas (11-1) will get consideration for being the only major-conference team other than Ohio State with fewer than two losses, but the Jayhawks don't have a single victory over a team that's even receiving votes in the AP poll.
Virginia Tech (11-2) at least has a conference championship on its résumé, but the Hokies also have a 41-point loss to LSU that's hard for voters to ignore. And the Tigers' two losses, for whatever it's worth, did come in triple overtime.
USC (10-2) won the Pac-10, but as fate would have it, the Trojans ended up with just two wins over teams with a winning record (Arizona State and Oregon State). Even if that doesn't hurt them in the polls, it certainly will hold them back in the computers in relation to the other two-loss teams.
Then there's Big 12 champion Oklahoma (11-2), which should make a late surge after a convincing win over No. 1 Missouri (a squad OU topped for the second time this season). But will it be enough to help the Sooners climb all the way from No. 9 into the BCS top two?
Based on the current standings and what each team accomplished this season, I expect it to be Ohio State vs. LSU in the Allstate BCS Championship Game on Jan. 7 in New Orleans.
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| | | 385 | Slizz
ID: 577162119
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 22:14
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talk about missouri fans getting double screwed...
I'll comment later on...
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| | | 386 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 22:27
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Trying to make sense of Missouri being out of the BCS>>>
Maybe if they'd had the good sense to lose to Kansas????
Maybe they could have made the Rose Bowl if they hadn't beaten Illinois when they played this year???
Hawaii, Kansas and Michigan are in for some serious fraud exposure ...espscially Michigan.
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| | | 387 | The Beezer
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ID: 191202817
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 23:19
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I may not stop laughing until next season if LSU barely beats Ohio State, OU wallops WVU, and OU gets named the national champion by the AP.
And I'm really happy that Indiana actually gets to go somewhere warm for a bowl game. Those fans have suffered too much to be forced to go to Detroit.
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| | | 388 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 00:16
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BCS - how the 10 spots went [IMHO] -
1. Ohio St - champ game
2. LSU - champ game
3. VA Tech - auto host of Orange Bowl
4. Oklahoma - auto host of Fiesta Bowl
5. USC - auto host of Rose Bowl
6. Illinois - Rose Bowl gets 1st choice [losing Ohio St] - tradition; Big 10 team [an at-large bid] - they could have taken Missouri [which would have locked Kansas out].
7. Georgia - Sugar Bowl gets 2nd choice [losing LSU] - tradition; SEC team [an at-large bid]
According to USA Today - The rotation [after above picks] will be as follows: January 2008 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar
8. When the Orange Bowl picked, they could have picked Missouri ??? Kansas have a better 'bowl' following ??? [choices were MO, KAN, HAWAII, WVA, BC, ARZ ST - FLA was already 3rd team out in SEC]
9. Hawaii [at this point, Sugar had choice of Hawaii or West VA - they had to go to BCS]
10. West Virginia - had to go somewhere, Fiesta Bowl, here we come.
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| | | 389 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 00:22
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More info on my #335 on Les Miles and ESPN in such a hurry to 'be first' that who cares about whether it's true.
With Miles out, Michigan continues coaching search
ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- Michigan athletic director Bill Martin said Sunday night he did not directly contact LSU coach Les Miles about the coaching vacancy left by Lloyd Carr.
"We asked LSU for permission to talk to Les Miles last week and we were given permission to talk to Les but not until after the SEC championship game on Saturday," Martin said in a statement. "Les Miles was one of our candidates.
"I did not talk to Les Miles or his agent this past week in accordance with the wishes of [LSU athletic director] Skip Bertman and the LSU Athletic Department," Martin said. "This morning I did speak with Les' agent [George Bass] and he reaffirmed what Les said during his press conference yesterday -- that he was staying at LSU.
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| | | 390 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 00:48
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At least I called the Insight and Rose Bowls correctly! ;)
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| | | 391 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 02:17
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Best non BCS Bowls IMHO.
Auburn vs Clemson - Chick-fil-A
Will be hard to tell the teams or fans apart by colors [close] or Tiger Paws.
Clemson first coach - from Auburn;
Clemson traditions - The orange and purple began when Walter Merritt Riggs formed Clemson's first football team in 1896. Because Riggs had come from Agricultural and Mechanical College of Alabama (later renamed Auburn), he borrowed ideas from their team colors, orange and purple, and their mascot, the Tiger.
When I wear my orange [Clemson] 'Tigers' t-shirt with my blue with orange bill 'UA' ball cap, they look like a set.
Arkansas vs Missouri - Cotton [at least Missouri gets to play one of the teams that beat LSU - can show LSU how it's done]
Texas vs Arizona St - Holiday
Michigan vs Florida - Capital One
Wisconsin vs Tennessee - Outback
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| | | 392 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 12:57
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RE: 386
Poor Lloyd Carr. He deserves so much better. He didnt politic like Meyer to goad voters into placing them in the national championship, never waiverd after getting beat by App State and Oregon...and now is gonna get absolutely thrashed by the "Gaturds" (gotta give the FSU fans here some love).
I dk about Hawaii looking like a Fraud either...their offense is something else. But we'll see if Colt Brennan is the real deal or not. Fantasy Tidbit - The guy will be 25 as a rookie in the NFL. Thats 2 years older than Alex Smith just FYI.
RE: 391 - Great post steve. I like the tidbits you put in there
If you think Missouri struggled vs Oklahoma and their running game, they are in for a treat facing off with McFadden & co. Should've been Kansas IMHO in the Cotton Bowl. I mean Missouri beat Illinois, beat every team on their schedule but the #3 team in the nation, Oklahoma...and here Kansas is, no win at all over a team better than .500 and they make the BCS. And to make matters worse, they beat Kansas on a neutral field!!!
I call it the Greg Schiano Rutgers plan for the BCS. (I used to enjoy seeing Rutgers have any success, but after hearing/seeing all their fairweather idiot fans talk a whole bunch of crap all offseason, I hope they lose every week) Schedule 1-AA and cupcakes for 4-5 games out of the season (Service Academies, Buffalo, William & Mary, etc.) hope for some luck in conference play (like last year - Louisville) and boom! You should be in the BCS.
Other good bowls on the list:
Champs Sports - Boston College vs. Michigan State: 1st year coaches with solid programs. State lost a bunch of heartbreakers and BC features a 1st round signal caller. His last hurrah to impress scouts
Meineke Car Care - UConn vs. Wake Forest: Is UConn really a good team, or they a product of the Greg Schiano BCS Success plan? Riley Skinner with Jim Grobe make for good football
*underrated*
AutoZone Liberty - UCF vs. Mississippi State: Nations leading rusher who should get more props...fighting Crooms have lived on the edge all season. If you look at their record, they might not be a top 25 team, but they're on the verge of it. Played close, hard-nosed football all season only losing to the upper echelon of teams in the SEC/nation.
Brut Sun - South Florida vs. Oregon: What was once a BCS bowl game preview is now a consolation type game. Oregon offense is downright offensive and South Florida's performance took a nosedive midseason and they righted the ship for a strong finish.
Gaylord Hotels Music City - Kentucky vs. Florida State: Which FSU team will show up, all I know is I want to see Andre Woodson! He could be the QB of my bears next year...lol.
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| | | 393 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 13:15
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i was hopeing to see kansas vs hawii, in what i would think would have been very exciting game to watch, with that said i think that hawii has a shot against UGA and a questionalbe secondary they only question is can Hawaii stop anyone.
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| | | 394 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 16:18
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Man, those are some pretty poor BCS bowls, IMO. There was a chance to have 5 quality games, and now I think there may only be 1 (LSU vs. OSU...and that may even be a stretch). I thought/hoped it would play out this way:
1. With the first choice, Rose Bowl selects Georgia to go with USC...could possibly have been the best bowl game of the year.
2. Sugar Bowl takes Kansas or Missouri (I am still in shock that Kansas was selected above Missouri. I would be livid if I was a Mizzou fan).
3. Orange Bowl takes WVU to play VT...what a great border war that would of been. Both teams would travel well there also.
4. Sugar Bowl takes Illinois to play Kansas or MIssouri. I know Mizzou already played them, but again, it's a great Midwest showdown, especially if it's Kansas vs Illinois. Even if Hawaii is taken here, it's a good game against Mizzou/Kansas.
5. Fiesta Bowl takes Hawaii vs Oklahoma. Would OU lose to another mid-major, or would there be revenge? Can anyone stop the Hawaii offense? If the Sugar Bowl took Hawaii, then we're stuck with OU vs Illinois...that would not have been a good game.
It doesn't really matter now, but those were my hopes to make these games good. Unfortunately, I only like OU vs WVU now, and the other 3 I could live without.
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| | | 395 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 17:43
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I wanted to see:
USC vs UGA: The team that would've been ranked in the top two (had politics not been involved) and arguably playing the best football now versus everyones favorite team to hype, USC who is now healthy. Seeing the two of them square off would be great!
Hawaii vs WVU: Potent, potent offenses and Suspect defenses. Talk about a shootout. Not to mention two heisman QB's going at it.
Ohio State vs LSU: Annual Butt-Kicking of the Big Ten in the National Championship :) I dont need to say much more about this one.
VT vs Oklahoma: The "Left out of the championship bowl". Both good teams, good coaches, good recruiters...overall a great matchup!
Last, Illinois vs Kansas (Missouri). Two spread offenses and coaches on the rise (Yes, Zook is back on the rise)! Obviously the last wouldnt've been a great "BCS" matchup per say...but I think it would present intrigue from all levels.
Cant say I really disagree with you leggestand...
Motley: As a Gators fan (I believe), are you happy to see Ron Zook succeed?
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| | | 396 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 18:00
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Slizz - I'd have loved to see those bowls, too, and would of actually preferred to see your choices, but I was just going on what could actually happen (VT couldn't play OU because of their tie ins to the Orange and Fiesta Bowls, respectively).
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| | | 397 | C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 18:10
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...because of their tie ins to the Orange and Fiesta Bowls, respectively).
Which is why we have the BCS in the first place. The BCS exists so tie-ins are irrelevant. The BCS came about so two unbeaten, top-ranked teams from major conferences (and Notre Dame [Ha!]) could be pitted against each other rather than LSU goes to the Sugar Bowl and an Ohio State goes to the Rose Bowl and never the twain shall meet.
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| | | 398 | C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 18:12
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But this year with the only unbeaten being from a mid-major, it's same as it ever was: a popularity contest.
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| | | 399 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 19:25
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OK - there are no #1 and #2 teams this year. Just a bunch of 7-8-9's.
VT is #1 in Sagarin BCS ranking with 93.11. In 2006, that would have ranked them #9.
Ohio State is #1 in the Anderson-Hester BCS ranking with .760. That would have ranked them #8 last year.
LSU is #1 in Colley BCS rankings with .879465. That would have ranked them #8 last year.
VT is #1 in Massey BCS rankings with 2.204. In 2006, that would have ranked them #12.
Also in the Sagaring ratings, in 2006, the point strength difference between 1-10 was 13.60, from 1-20 was 18.39.
In 2007, 1-10 was 6.34, 1-20 was 11.19.
Talk about a little parity this year.
Also, from Peter Wolf site.
The 10 biggest upsets this year, ordered from most unexpected to least:
06-Oct-07 Stanford 24 Southern Cal 23
08-Sep-07 Valparaiso 13 Trinity Int'l 17
01-Dec-07 Pittsburgh 13 West Virginia 9
06-Oct-07 Richmond 21 Towson 23
29-Sep-07 Portland St 28 Eastern Washington 21
03-Oct-07 Rice 31 Southern Miss 29
20-Oct-07 Howard Payne 48 Hardin-Simmons 47
01-Sep-07 Western Washington 28 UC-Davis 21
01-Sep-07 Appalachian St 34 Michigan 32
22-Sep-07 Syracuse 38 Louisville 35
Took 3rd biggest upset of all of college football to make what happened this weekend, happen. How many total games? Wolfe has 709 teams in his rankings. ? About 4300 games? And if 1st had not happened, I'm sure USC would be in one of top two BCS spots.
Wolfe College Football
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| | | 400 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 20:13
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That is a crappy list of upsets. First of all, FBS (I-AA) does have much more parity than I-A so I would not consider any of those matchups big time upsets.
Second of all, App State over Michigan is probably going to be considered the greatest upset in this decade, if not the last 25 years. Especially considering that Michigan was not bad, and App State lost 2 games in its own division and did not even win its own conference. My alma mater (JMU) almost and should have beat them in the playoffs two weeks ago.
Its been fun watching the #1-#2 curse throughout the season. Too bad it cannot continue! I wonder about one thing though: Has there ever been a team other than LSU this year to have #1 twice in the same season and lose it twice? Has there ever been a team that lost #1 twice in the same season but ended up #1 at the end of the year? We shall see!
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| | | 401 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:05
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Has there ever been a team other than LSU this year to have #1 twice in the same season and lose it twice?
I think I heard that Notre Dame did it once during the Lou Holtz era. LSU, I believe, could be the only team to be ranked number one three different times in one year.
Howard Payne 48 Hardin-Simmons 47
So, they are including eight-man football, too? I think the only people shocked by that "upset" were the eight players, one coach, and 16 family members :)
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| | | 402 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:07
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Motley: As a Gators fan (I believe), are you happy to see Ron Zook succeed? ill take this one for him. no i am not happy then again i am not to surprised the guy can recruit, can he coach well no not really. he will bring you his A game when he is on the ropes but he is also the guy who can show up and lose to anyone, ill-6 Iowa-10, what is that? If you are willing to live with at least one game a year lik that and potential for your program to be investigated at any moment he is your man.
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| | | 403 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:52
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While we are on the topic of big upsets, here is a portion of Peter Schrager's (Fox Sports) take on this seasons biggest upsets:
West Virginia's loss Saturday night in Morgantown was a bad one. Four-touchdown favorites, at home, in a win-and-in situation against a 4-7 squad that barely beat Syracuse a few weeks earlier? That's rough But was it the single worst loss of the college football season? Good question.
Financially, it stung, for sure. By failing to qualify for the BCS Championship Game on Saturday, West Virginia missed out on several million dollars for both the program and the Big East conference. Of course, the Mountaineers are still playing in a BCS bowl game come January. They'll take on Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Not exactly chopped liver. Having clinched the Big East title a week earlier against Connecticut, West Virginia had that in their back pocket entering Saturday night's game. The loss was devastating, yes. But was it the worst defeat of the season?
Where exactly does the WVU disaster rank on this year's list of 10 worst college football losses? Let's break 'em down:
10. Kansas 76, Nebraska 39; Nov. 3: Nebraska's season was already pretty much in the tubes by the time these two squads squared off, but the nation really took notice after this one. Nebraska, winner of 36 straight games against Kansas entering the noon showdown in Lawrence, was exposed and exploited by its long-time punching bags. The fifth straight loss for the Huskers, it was the nadir for Nebraska football. As I wrote then, on November 3rd, "After 76-39, it's time to put an end to the Bill Callahan era. Dig that grave and start stenciling in that tombstone." A month later, it's already been buried.
9. Navy 46, Notre Dame 44, Triple OT; Nov. 3: Just a few hours after the Callahan era hit its lowest point in Lincoln, the Weis era scraped the very bottom in South Bend. Navy hadn't beaten Notre Dame in 44 years. They came into Notre Dame Stadium, ran for over 260 yards and outclassed the Irish for the first time since 1963. The fact that Notre Dame lost to Navy wasn't the worst part of this one, though. Heck, Navy turned out to be a pretty good squad this year. It was the questionable coaching decisions from start to finish. A fake field goal play call early in the game on 4th and 20; a decision to go for it instead of attempting a game-winning field goal from 40-yards out on 4th and long in the fourth quarter -- this got people talking. A high-profile loss for Notre Dame in what might have been the program's worst all-around season in 30 years, the Navy game will not be forgotten anytime soon.
8. Oregon State 31, California 28; Oct. 13: Talk about a downward spiral. With No. 1 LSU falling to Kentucky earlier in the afternoon, No. 2 Cal needed just a win over the 3-3 Beavers to take over the top spot in the nation. Instead, freshman quarterback Kevin Riley made a rookie mistake that will be remembered in Berkeley like Webber's timeout is in Ann Arbor. With less than 15 seconds remaining and his Bears well within field goal distance, Riley scrambled and went down in the middle of the field, only to see the final seconds tick away before the Cal field goal unit could get on to attempt a game-tying field goal. The Golden Bears entered that home game 5-0 and on the fast track to the title game. They'd end up losing five of their last six. They're now going to the Armed Forces Bowl. It's safe to say they never quite recovered from that one.
7. North Dakota State 27, Minnesota 21; Oct. 20: Sure, Minnesota went 0-8 in the Big 10 this year. And yes, they only won one game all season. And of course, they were still adjusting to a first-year coach. But there's no excuse for a Big 10 team -- especially a squad that went to a bowl game last season -- to ever lose at home to a Division I-AA team. Amazingly, they weren't the only team to do just that this season. More on that in a bit ...
6. Syracuse 38, Louisville 35; Sept. 22: Entering this one, Syracuse had been outscored by opponents 108-33 and were winless on the year. So what did they do? March right into last year's Big East champion's home building -- a field the Cardinals hadn't lost on in 20 games -- and beat Louisville 38-35. This one's still shocking, as it ended up being 'Cuse's only Big East victory of the season, and only one of two wins all year. Louisville was 35+ point favorites in Vegas that morning. I watched that entire game, and I can tell you -- I still have no idea how it happened. Bad, bad, bad loss for Louisville. Unfortunately, in a season where many predicted them to win it all, they never really rebounded -- finishing the year 6-6 and missing bowl play altogether.
5. Appalachian State 34, Michigan 32; Sept. 1: Funny how things work out. When this one happened, people were calling it the worst loss of all-time. Ever. College football history. Michigan losing to a Division I-AA opponent in The Big House? It could never get worse for the Maize and Blue. A few months later? After a ridiculous, topsy-turvy season in which it seemed as though Nos. 1 and 2 fell to unranked opponents each week, this one barely cracks the top 5. Three months after the fact, Michigan's in fine shape -- an 8-4 team playing against last year's national champions in a respectable bowl on New Year's Day. In hindsight, this wasn't as much a bad loss for Michigan as a great win for Appalachian State. Check that -- a great win for Division 1-AA, as a whole. (And yes, it'll always be Division 1-AA to me.)
4. Louisiana Monroe 21, Alabama 14; Nov. 17: Mike Shula never lost one this bad. Louisiana Monroe, a mediocre team out of the Sun Belt, came into Tuscaloosa and beat a healthy Alabama squad. It's shocking to even write. Yes, the same Louisiana Monroe that lost to 2-10 North Texas earlier in the season. It was Alabama's third straight loss. They'd lose the following week to Auburn. Again.
3. Pitt 13, West Virginia 9; Dec. 1: Anyone else mildly surprised that Dave Wannstedt didn't end up smacking one of the officials over the head with his crutches after those two VERY curious fourth-quarter holding calls? Even with the poor officiating, Pitt survived and came out of Morgantown victorious on Saturday night. For all the reasons listed above, you've got to win this one. West Virginia didn't.
2. Stanford 24, USC 23; Oct. 6: When you're the No. 2 team in the nation, favored by 41 points, and playing at home -- you're not supposed to lose. And it's not just the fact the seven-touchdown favorite Trojans lost. It's how and to whom. Stanford quarterback Tavita Pritchard -- making his FIRST career start -- converted on a miraculous 4th and 20 pass four plays before the game-winning touchdown score. Even that hurl -- a prayer into the back of the end zone -- was unexpected. Pritchard had thrown three career passes before taking the field that day. Meanwhile, John David Booty, a two-year starter expected to make a run at the Heisman, threw four interceptions. The loss was USC's first in the Coliseum since 2001, a run of 35 straight. Looking at it now, had USC won that game, there's no question they would be playing for a national title in January.
1. Western Michigan 28, Iowa 19; Nov. 17: Didn't hear much about this one, huh? It was hands-down the worst loss by any team all season long. Of course, you must consider the circumstances to fully understand why. Iowa entered its season finale with middle-of-the-road MAC power Western Michigan having won 4 of 5. After an uncharacteristic rough start to the season, the Hawkeyes had worked themselves all the way back up into the top half of the Big Ten. With wins over eventual Rose Bowl-participant Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern and Minnesota, Iowa was 6-5 and in fairly good shape for a bowl berth. Known for having one of the most mobile fan bases, the assumption was "beat 4-7 Western Michigan, and go bowling." So what did the Hawkeyes do? Fall behind 19-0 before the game even began, of course. At home, no less. The Hawkeyes would never recover from the early hole and fell to the MAC's eighth best team 28-19. What bowl are they going to now? None. Zilch. Nada. Losing a season finale against your longtime rivals and having to settle for the Fiesta Bowl? That's bad. Losing a season finale to a below-average mid-major and missing a bowl game? That, folks, is the worst loss of the year.
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| | | 404 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:17
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[Ron Zook] can recruit, can he coach well no not really.
The guy held steady at UF until the fans got too pissed. Then he goes to Illinois and goes 2-9, 2-10, then 9-3. I think a LOT of teams wouldn't mind having a guy who "can't coach" take their team to a 9-3 record.
Florida fans just expect instant results and didn't give Zook enough time to get all his recruits onto the field. I always say that teams need to give a coach 6 years. In the 6th year, it's all that coach's players on the field. That's when you REALLY see what you're going to get from your coach from all aspects of the game.
Auburn had a point where they tried to get rid of Tuberville. Instead, he managed to stick around for his 6th year and go 13-0. I wonder what Zook's Illinois team will look like 3 years from now. Could be interesting as Illinois seems like the kind of place where they'll hang on to him for a while.
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RE 403 and Peter Schrager's analysis
That #1 is just dumb, IMO. Iowa also lost to 3-9 Iowa St. and that had just as much to do with them not going bowling. Plus, it was an in-state rival. But, in the tradition of typical college football reporting, it's only what happened last week that matters.
And wasn't USC kind of banged up for their upset? Not worthy of a #2, IMO. For me, it'd be...
1. App. St. over Michigan
2. La-Tech over Alabama
3. Pitt over WVU
The first two are "cupcakes" and the third just shouldn't have happened from WVU's perspective.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:55
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Man you guys know your stuff!!!
I think the MAC is better than people think. I was surprised that Iowa got knocked off as there would be 8 teams with 7 wins or more in the Big 10 if they had won, but it's not the biggest upset of the year IMM. The USC-Stanford and App St.-Mich games were the biggest upsets IMM if nothing else than the teams who got beat were ranked so highly and the teams who beat them were such huge underdogs.
While the WVU-Pitt game was a huge upset as well--it at least was for the confernce championship. The Alabama loss at home was shocking as well. Syracuse beating anyone is an upset but at L'ville--well that's big too.
North Dakota State was Division 2. Now they are IAA or subdivision or whatever they call it. To beat a Big 10 team is a major upset. Minn was 0-8 in the Big 10 but I watched a couple games on the Big Ten Network and they didn't seem THAT bad at all.
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| | | 406 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 258441912
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:42
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I wish Ron Zook all of the success in the world when he's not coaching against the Gators. I will be forever grateful to him for showcasing Ohio State's prodigious mediocrity this season. *Ahem*
With that said, 9-3 is not the same thing at Illinois as it is at Florida. It's that simple.
For the simple fact that the Michigan - Appalachian St. game was played on opening weekend, it was this year's signature upset. All fans of major programs understand the way things work: the first game or two of the season are played against nameless victims that your second string ought to be able to handle efficiently. Unless you have brass balls and you want to play Virginia Tech. So Michigan signs up this 1-AA team and has them come to Ann Arbor for the slaughter. Mike Hart's supposed to run for a buck fifty in the first half and get his Heisman campaign off on the right foot. Everyone is in a swollen stupor by the end of the third quarter, eagerly anticipating another fantastic season of Big Ten football and the season's penultimate showdown with the Buckeyes. All is peachy with the world.
But then the sacrificial lambs don't cooperate.
That was the biggest upset I've ever experienced in college football. I've only been an attentive fan for about 12 years now, so that doesn't go back very far. But man, you just don't lose those games. USC losing to Stanford is painful for the Trojans, but for God's sake, Stanford is in the conference. UF lost to Mississippi State a few years ago, and that was gut-wrenching. But we've never lost to Troy State, La Tech, or Middle Tennessee St. Losing at home, on the most promising weekend of the season, against a completely inferior opponent is the ultimate embarrassment. A true upset has to be humiliating and kill your season. The fans have to be devastated. Your momentum has to die on the spot. Your rivals not only mock your misfortune, but feel weakened in the process because they know they take a strength-of-schedule hit playing you subsequently.
That's what happened to Michigan on September 1. That game had to be the biggest upset of 2007.
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| | | 407 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 19:45
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Motley, great points and an overall excellent post.
You summed up the WVU collapse vs PITT perfectly with "USC losing to Stanford is painful for the Trojans, but for God's sake, Stanford is in the conference. UF lost to Mississippi State a few years ago, and that was gut-wrenching." Rivalry games are, for the most part usually closer then the experts think. Nevertheless, it was still a massive upset considering what was on the table.
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| | | 409 | Slizz
ID: 01124120
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 19:52
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I always take the opportunity to poke fun when I can, so here I go:
RE Post #2 from my buddy SZ: MC and other SEC guys:
Time to take note of some big things this year, such as the soon-to-kick-off thrashing Cal will lay on the neon orange deer hunters from Rocky Top, TN.
This will be the year of the Pac-10, much like many, many other years.
Year of the Pac-10 mediocrity!!!
In fairness you did call the Cal over Tennessee game though, i'll give you that :)
Arizona State 10-2
USC 10-2
Oregon State 8-4
Oregon 8-4
UCLA 6-6
Arizona 5-7
California 6-6
Washington State 5-7
Stanford 4-8
Washington 4-9
Just bustin your chops SZ, it was an enjoyable college FB season and I had fun postin with you guys.
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| | | 410 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 10:52
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The Chick-fil-a (nee Peach) Bowl has to be loving their match-up. Clemson is just over 2 hours away and Auburn is just under 2 hours away. Result? Complete sellout in less than 48 hours.
"I'm not sure if I can remember a game where both teams sold through their ticket allotments so quickly," said Gary Stokan, Chick-fil-A Bowl president. "I probably should've had a stopwatch handy."
Pretty impressive for a non-BCS bowl game.
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| | | 412 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 15:20
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Slizz
The only thing the PAC-10 should be ashamed of this season is the horrible fact that they lost to Notre Dame twice [shudder]. A team in our bottom half of the standings beat the SEC East division champ.
Jeff Tedford for Coach of the Year ;)
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| | | 413 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 15:42
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*laughs* But that was at the beginning of the season!
I can poke fun at the SEC too...give a little love for the Gaturds (fitting b/c the Bengals are a collection of turds too)...
ANOTHER GATOR BUSTED by Michael David Smith
We can officially declare the Florida Gators the Cincinnati Bengals of college football, now that defensive end Jermaine Cunningham has become the 10th Florida player arrested or cited in the 11 months since they won the national championship.
Andy Staples of the Tampa Tribune reports that Cunningham got angry when a Jimmy John’s employee asked him to pay for a bag of potato chips.
“The defendant struck the victim with empty soda cups he threw at him,” a Gainesville police report said, per Staples, “while the co-defendant [former Florida linebacker Jon Demps] threw a sandwich at the victim, also striking him.”
Yes, it was a food fight. Also arrested was professional sprinter and former LSU receiver Xavier Carter, who has been charged with resisting an officer, Staples reports.
A Florida athletic department spokesman said Gators coach Urban Meyer is aware of the situation, and he will address it after Wednesday’s afternoon practice.
That is halirious!
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| | | 415 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 19:51
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Appalachian State - [Rankings are mine based on computers that do BCS that also rank Div I-AA [Sagain, Wolfe & Massey]. By my count, they played 9 DIV I-AA top 25 teams and Michigan. App State was seeded #7 in the 16 team field [lost two games - but a pretty tough schedule - for I-AA]
What upset me - my own fault - I forgot Div I-AA championship has been Friday night for a few years - thinking Saturday - and missed it. Appalachian State wiped out a pretty good local team last year [Coastal Carolina, Conway, SC 45-28, but it was 31-0 at the half] in the playoffs.
September 1 _ at No. 5 Michigan W 34-32 [DIV I]
September 8 _ Lenoir-Rhyne W 48-7 2-0
September 15 _ Northern Arizona W 34-21
September 22 _ at Wofford L 42-31 [#10 - won opening round game in DIV II playoffs]
September 29 _ at Elon W 49-32 [#14]
October 6 _ Gardner-Webb W 45-7
October 20 _ Georgia Southern L 38-35 [#15]
October 27 _ at Furman W 34-27 [#23]
November 3 _ at Citadel W 45-24 [#19]
November 10 _ Western Carolina W 79-35
November 17 _ Chattanooga W 37-17
PLAYOFFS
November 24 _ James Madison W 28-27 [#8]
December 1 _ Eastern Washington W 38-35 [#17]
December 7 _ Richmond W 55-35 [#3]
December 14 _ Delaware W 49-21 [#4]
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| | | 416 | Slizz
ID: 211391421
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 23:58
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What I want to know is this: Why isn't the coach at App State getting any interviews for major programs such as Michigan?
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| | | 417 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 00:08
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Ah, the mighty Coastal Carolina Chanticleers! My favorite college mascot. I proudly wear the T-shirt I bought on campus.
A Chanticleer will kick a Blue Hen's ass anyday!
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| | | 418 | Perm Dude
ID: 11136178
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 00:13
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#416: Well, he's clearly better than Michigan!
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| | | 419 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 00:39
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Because Michigan already got Dick Rod. :')
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| | | 420 | Slizz
ID: 211391421
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 10:21
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i do not hear any D-1 programs talking about this guy, yet hes lead a team to 3 straight "FCS" D-1AA championships!
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| | | 421 | Slizz
ID: 401119201
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 10:45
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Not that it matters now, but was Illinois win over Ohio State a Fraud?
REPORT: BIG TEN REF HAS GAMBLING, FINANCIAL PROBLEMS
Josh Peter of Yahoo Sports reports that Big Ten referee Stephen Pamon, whose officiating crew was widely criticized late this season, filed for bankruptcy in 2002, and two of the creditors were casinos.
Peter reports that there is no evidence linking Pamon to betting on games, but there are concerns any time an official is involved in gambling. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany would say only, "I don't have any comment on that right now."
According to the Yahoo report, Pamon and his wife filed for bankruptcy in 2002, amassing $429,407 in liabilities. Two of the creditors were casinos. A sister-in-law of Pamon's says gambling losses led to the couple filing for bankruptcy.
Other details about Pamon's life revealed by Yahoo include that he was charged with beating three of his girlfriend's sons in 1997, that he was allegedly fired by the Chicago Police Department in 1996 after two female officers accused him of sexual harassment, and that one of his former wives accused him of striking her and sexually assaulting her niece.
Pamon's seven-man officiating crew made several controversial calls in the November 3 Purdue-Penn State game, and the entire crew was suspended for one week as a result. But that suspension did not take effect until after the Nov. 10 weekend, when the crew worked the Illinois-Ohio State game, in which Illinois' first touchdown was set up by the officials incorrectly ruling an Illinois running back down when in reality he had fumbled.
As the referee, Pamon was about 50 yards away and was not the official responsible for calling that Illinois fumble on the field. The Big Ten has not explained why the fumble was not reviewed via instant replay, although Ohio State coach Jim Tressel has said he was told there was a problem with the replay equipment. It is not clear how many of the bad calls in the Purdue-Penn State game were Pamon's responsibility. The Big Ten does not release evaluations of specific officials' performances.
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| | | 422 | Perm Dude
ID: 101150208
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 10:49
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Man, it just keeps getting worse. I noticed that (#221) some time ago, but the news is pretty bad.
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| | | 423 | Rendle
ID: 345351510
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 11:09
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Hmmm, so it's the team that was undefeated in regulation vs the team that lost because of a crooked ref?
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| | | 425 | Perm Dude
ID: 101123112
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 16:45
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Great game, however.
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| | | 426 | Toral
ID: 575542418
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 17:28
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10/10 and 5 gold stars for Brent Musburger, who called Hugh Hefner "the best recruiter ever to come out of Illinois".
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| | | 427 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 20:38
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Hey, SEC
THAT'S how you dismantle a Big-10 team!
I think I just watched the best team in the nation. I'll know after Monday.
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| | | 428 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 21:54
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SZ - healthy, would Vegas line favor USC against all teams in NCAA? Good chance. Even the 13.5 points USC was favored over ILL was largest line of ANY bowl game when I checked prior to the bowls.
You take the loss to Stanford out of the mix and I think USC is in championship game against Ohio State. Take it out and they are probably ranked #1 or #2 in the computers.
At this site, take Stanford game away, USC moves to #2. Add victory over ILL, #1. Add an LSU win over Ohio St, LSU #1, USC #2.
Add / Remove Games
STANFORD [24] at USC [23]: What are the odds? Booty threw 4 INT's, one returned for a TD, but only threw 9 INT's the whole season. USC kicker David Buehler made 45-46 XP's during season but his XP was blocked after 1st USC TD against Stanford. 4th and goal from the 10, less than a minute to go and Stanford completes miracle pass and wins because of only missed XP all year. If you didn't know better you'd think it was fixed, but we are talking 'kids'. You never know what momentum or emotions can do in a game.
Won't get much of an argument for me about USC. Looked great against ILL. You might from some from OKL fans [or LSU if they win - but they'd better win big like USC did, since Illinois beat Ohio State]
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| | | 429 | Perm Dude
ID: 101123112
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 22:05
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Great game by USC. That's what they looked like early in the season. Illinois looked like a team with their first winning season in a few years, that's for sure. And they wouldn't be there except for some crooked refs in their game against Ohio State, IMO.
Gotta give props to Michigan, however. They matched Florida pass for pass. Despite several opportunities to fold, they kept coming back. I'm not a Michigan fan by any means, but it seems to me that "THAT'S how you dismantle an SEC team."
pd
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| | | 430 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 22:24
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I love the name of that link, Steve: Play God. That's good stuff!
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| | | 431 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 12:21
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I turned the game off after the McKnight lateral/fumble 60+ yard gain. All the momentum was taken right out of the Illini's sails with that fumble when they were about to close the gap to 4. All in all, the game was a total trainwreck for the Fighting Zookers. Not to take anything away from USC, but they were CLEARLY a superior team and showed their will a la the Patriots in that game.
Only bright note for the Illini was that Mendenhall cemeted his status as a day 1 pick in the upcoming draft.
If it wasnt for a technicality, Missouri should've had that spot instead. Still, its beyond me why they didnt send Georgia to the Rose Bowl and Illinois to the Sugar Bowl. Both matchups would've been way better.
Speaking of Mizzou, how about that Temple kid? I couldnt believe how awful the Arkansas D looked. I didnt expect much from McFadden b/c hes pretty much protecting his draft stock.
As for the Big Ten, I was happy to see Lloyd Carr go out a winner. (Note - It pains me to say that as I am a Notre Dame fan) I didnt think Michigan stood a chance vs Florida given their struggles w/the spread offense and speed. Carr handled himself with class, even through the whole BCS debacle last year (unlike Meyer), and was one of the faces that stood out to me since I started following college football.
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| | | 432 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 12:57
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As a Washington Husky fan, I would like to apologize to the nation for not finishing off Hawaii. Had we done so, Missouri would have made the BCS, a much better match up against Georgia.
I think it is only fitting that after a long season of unbelievable upsets and exciting finishes that the bowl season was pretty much a yawner. Perhaps Rutgers v. Ball State can save us!
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| | | 433 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 14:40
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I'm still pissed KU got into the BCS over MU. Losing to probably the #3(possibly higher) in the nation twice while letting two other teams they beat into the BCS is complete crap.
The BCS has really been exploited this year. I'm not sure it should be scrapped but it definitely needs some retooling.
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| | | 434 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 17:28
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SZ - Missouri would have been left out of the BCS no matter how you cut it. Only two teams from one conference are allowed and the BCS chose Kansas as its at-large representative from the Big 12. Its a shame b/c Missouri was way better than Hawaii or the fighting zookers!
If your Huskies took care of business, the other spot would've gone to...Arizona State (ICK!) or Boston College (ICK!). BC played a tougher schedule and would likely deserve it more, but they faltered down the stretch. Arizona State really never impressed me all season. Erickson has em headed in the right direction though.
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| | | 435 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:41
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Yup, Mizzou has only themselves to blame. Why couldn't they have done to Oklahoma what WVU did last night?
2000 was a LONG time ago, Coach Stoopes.
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| | | 436 | Sludge
ID: 177131910
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 00:14
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WOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
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| | | 437 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 00:50
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Congratulations, LSU.
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| | | 438 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 00:52
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Glad to see OSU and that punk-ass schedule get their asses kicked.
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| | | 439 | holt
ID: 401157300
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 08:00
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re 435, why couldn't Oklahoma do to WVU what Pittsburgh did just a month before (13-9). Who knows? It's football. You never know if a team is going to play like crap or not.
"2000 was a LONG time ago, Coach Stoopes."
Criticism for having won a national title? The vast majority of coaches will never even get a sniff of one.
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| | | 440 | Perm Dude
ID: 2001288
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 09:12
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Nice game by LSU. Their emotion carried them through OSU's early scores, and they kept it up. OSU didn't give up (unlike last year) but LSU had their game on--they certainly wouldn't be denied.
Of course, given the way this season went, the # 1 had to fall to the #2 in the title game!
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| | | 441 | holt
ID: 401157300
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 19:53
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I think LSU is probably a little better team than Ohio St., but how much stock do you put in a game when OSU's most recent game was on Nov. 17. In football terms, that seems like an eternity.
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| | | 442 | Perm Dude
ID: 2001288
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 20:20
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That was Michigan's last game, too, and they kept it up during their match.
I think LSU just took the game. I don't think OSU lost it so much as LSU stepped up and kept up.
The one thing that I noticed throughout the entire game is how well their secondary coverage was.
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| | | 443 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 20:38
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First - LSU is probably not that much better than Ohio State.
Example - take L.S.U., exact same roster, but give them a schedule with only three teams in the top 45 [Ohio State] and let them play a team that has faced adversity in a really tough schedule week in and week out. Or put LSU against Ohio State as their first game of year after Ohio State played ILL and MICH. Ohio State probably wins.
Ohio State gave up 17 or less points in 11 out of 12 games, 7 or less points in 7 games. Was that because Ohio State was that good, or the opposition was weak? LSU faced teams equal to Ohio State, Michigan, Illinois and Wisconsin all year.
By the College Football Ranking Comparison LSU played 9 teams in the top 45.
I think it may have been a combination of not having to face 'real' competition week in and week out and the shock when you do and the 51 day layoff [but LSU had a 37 day layoff - so not sure what difference 37 and 51 days make - LSU sure looked like the rusty team at the start of the game].
Also, Ohio State could not have been caught off guard by the SEC this year [after FLA]. Tressell made a motivational DVD with 'a series of anti-Buckeyes rip jobs beginning with the aftermath of last January's 41-14 loss to Florida in the national title game'. Didn't work long enough though. Great game, was worried at 10-0.
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| | | 444 | leggestand
ID: 20110420
Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 22:09
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Is anyone following the Terrelle Pryor signing? He is supposed to make his decision tomorrow (2/6), and it is expected to be between Ohio State and Michigan. I saw him play live in Pittsburgh, and this kid appears to be as real a deal as you can get. Many scouting sites say that whoever gets him is basically guaranteed a national title shot in the next few seasons and that he probably won't even need to redshirt next season. He's compared to Vince Young primarily, but they say he is currently as built/good as Vince Young was when he was a junior at Texas.
I know, I know, he is still a kid, and for every blue chip, a dud can be named for each star. But this kid looks really good.
Hopefully the Bucks get him. We need to beat the SEC.
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| | | 446 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 12:09
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ls - I've been following the whole Pryor thing. Personally, I hope he spurns UM just for the simple fact Rich Rod spurned WVU.
Its good to see per rivals.com Notre Dame get the best "Quality" of class at 3.95 stars. Hopefully it translates into W's this year.
I think national signing day is getting to be ridiculous. Sure its great moment for the kid and his family, but nobody knows what this kid is going to develop into. Top-notch LB's like AJ Hawk or James Laurinitis were only a 3 star recruits. Or even 3 star recruit Mario Williams. You never know how a kid is going to develop physically, or how much hes going to grow post-high school. I mean watch David Pozluszny (Paul's (Buffalo Bills) little brother) end up being Notre Dame's best recruit...and hes only a 3 star LB.
I mean look at West Virginia...outside of Noel Devine, they've never got a 5 star recruit and have been a perennial contender. They manage to outplay the likes of Oklahoma and Georgia in BCS Bowls with 2 & 3 star recruits.
Ok done venting.
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| | | 447 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 13:45
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I agree, Slizz, but the hyping up of Pryor has been unbelievable. Espn has him ranked as the 4th best overall recruit this year, but I couldn't tell you who are 1-3, let alone where they are going to school. That shows how much publicity he is getting right now. For what it's worth, though, it's better to get a 5 star recruit that ends up a dud than to not get him at all, IMO.
I read something that said it is probably smart for Pryor to go to OSU next year, as he can assume a Tebow type role with Boeckman playing the Leak role. And then his sophomore season, he could be this past year's Tebow. Now Tebow certainly set some high standards the past ywo years, but to even have that as a comparison must be a good thing, right? At Michigan, he is probably going to be thrown directly into the fire...which may be what he wants.
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| | | 448 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 15:17
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What ESPN is esentially doing is creating the impression that if you are a pretty decent recruit, you should hold your own press conferences and what-not. To each his own, but you have to put yourself in the kids shoes too. This is their day and if ESPN is gonna feed Pryors ego, he's just going to run with it. Just hope he dont pull a Boobie Miles in basketball.
You know whats funny, a buddy of mine (UM Alum) were discussing that the other day. I contended that he should goto OSU, a team with national championship aspiriations each year, and continuity since Tressel took over. He can get a feel for the offense and eventually take over the reigns a la Tebow w/Leak and VY with Simms.
You dont know what you are going to get out of Rich Rodriguez coaching in a superior division (I cant believe a SEC Homer like myself is saying that...but if Rutgers and South Florida are mentioned for a BCS bowl, your division has problems) versus the Big East. Will they be a .500 club for the next two years before his system is finally installed with the proper players?
Also, what QB's have gone on to be successful pros, exclusively, under Rich Rod? Woody Dantzler? Rasheed Marshall? *laughs*. I mean to QB his system you need a 4.4 40 and the ability to make 3 reads: initial zone-read w/the RB, wr1, wr2, than the ability to scramble around.
Personally, the kid would be better served going to Ohio State b/c at least Tressel has placed 2 QB's in the NFL, and each played for a National Championship with one winning the Heisman. Albeit they havent made the greatest pro prospects, they still made NFL rosters as QB's. The same can't be said about Rich Rod.
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| | | 449 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 16:04
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Great points, Slizz, especially:
Just hope he dont pull a Boobie Miles in basketball.
Solid pull!
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| | | 450 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 12:16
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Pryor to the Buckeyes...
I honestly was hoping he'd goto Memphis! That would've been classic.
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| | | 451 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 05:41
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bump
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| | | 452 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Tue, Jun 17, 2008, 10:17
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from collegefootballtalk.com
I'm sure my man Peter N. will like to read this!
RED RAIDERS THE BEST TEAM IN TEXAS?
Dave Campbell's Texas Football is an annual publication that has been described as the bible of football in Texas. The 2008 edition was just released, and it serves as a reminder of how much things are changing in the state.
The cover features Texas Tech coach Mike Leach, wide receiver Michael Crabtree and quarterback Graham Harrell, with a headline reading, "Best in Texas."
Whether the Red Raiders will be better than Texas and Texas A&M this year remains to be seen, but the mere fact that it's seen as a strong possibility is a testament to what Leach has accomplished.
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| | | 453 | Peter N.
ID: 16520218
Mon, Jun 23, 2008, 19:04
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Slizz, Yes I definitely enjoyed reading that. This will, without a doubt, be the most-hyped Texas Tech team in the program's history. The buzz started pretty much right after the Gator Bowl win against Virginia.
I had an opportunity to watch the Spring game before graduating. Overall, Leach wasn't happy with the team's performance but I came away from the game thinking that we finally have defense good enough to contend for the Big 12 Title. We have always had an offense, but now we have a defense that cannot be taken lightly.
Since Ruffin McNeil took over as the defensive coordinator, it has been fun to watch our defense. I feel like Setencich, former D-coordinator, complicated things. Under McNeil, we have guys flying to the ball and not over-thinking.
I could go on and on, but I'll stop there. :-) Haha needless to say, I'm looking forward to this fall. The key will be how this team responds to the hype. The talent is there. This is uncharted territory though for Tech. I plan on going back for the UT game along with a few other home games.
The air raid attack of Harrell to Crabtree will be in full force! Wreck Em Tech!
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| | | 454 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 13:50
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Daddy's checking in...
Its good to see that the Coaches recognize game and the SEC with the Georgia Dawgs!
Any bold predictions for the 2008-09 season?
Will there be any undefeated teams in the national championship vs (likely) Ohio State (c'mon they play in the crappy BigTen)?
I really hope USC pounds them on the 13th...
Texas Tech in the BCS?
I'll save my SEC comments b/c thats like talking about another league itself :)
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| | | 455 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 45657107
Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 16:12
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Bold Prediction? Georgia will be out of the #1 slot by the time the polls release after their fourth game.
I like the 'Dawgs' team, but with South Carolina, Arizona State, Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn on the road, they're going to have a heck of a time keeping that ranking.
In fact, with that schedule, if they make it through the season with 1 or fewer losses, they're hands down the #1 team in the nation regardless of what anybody else does.
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| | | 456 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Sun, Aug 03, 2008, 09:51
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My Dawgs future is definitely in their hands.. I doubt looking at their schedule you can say anybody will have a tougher schedule then the Dawgs this year.
Starting in Week 3 they have no weak teams other then Vanderbilt? Who actually had a chance to beat the Dawgs last year, that is just the SEC.. Any given day..
Other then the first two teams and Vandy, I think every team they play this year was in the top 20 last year.
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| | | 457 | Slizz
ID: 26747118
Sun, Aug 03, 2008, 22:42
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Beano Cook said it best...if the Dawgs run the table, they should be playing for the super bowl :)
Shoot, if they go through that schedule with 1 loss they should be a lock for the national championship...regardless of how the rest of the college football landscape breaks down.
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| | | 458 | steve houpt
ID: 451161019
Mon, Aug 11, 2008, 00:43
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Looks like USA pollsters like the SEC [most points]. The Georgia Bull Dawg's might be best team on paper, but making it to BCS championship [even SEC championship] will be tough.
Look for winner of Ohio State at USC on 13 SEP to be number #1 even if GA beats other USC [So Carolina] that day.
Top CONF [based on votes RX] from USA Today Poll
SEC [5,446 votes / points]
1. Georgia (22) 1,438
5. Florida (5) 1,293
6. LSU (3) 1,163
11. Auburn 888
18. Tennessee 506
26. Alabama 83
27. South Carolina 64
41. Mississippi State 6
42t. Kentucky 5
BIG 12 [4,826]
4. Oklahoma (3) 1,329
7. Missouri 1,143
10. Texas 979
13. Kansas 714
14. Texas Tech 644
36. Nebraska 17
BIG TEN [2,995]
3. Ohio State (14) 1,392
12. Wisconsin 747
19. Illinois 422
22. Penn State 313
24. Michigan 112
39t. Michigan State 9
PAC 10 [2,453]
2. USC (14) 1,430
16. Arizona State 560
20. Oregon 399
32. California 41
35. Oregon State 23
ACC [1,886]
9. Clemson 999
15. Virginia Tech 568
23. Wake Forest 203
30. Florida State 53
31. Boston College 47
38. Virginia 12
45. Maryland 4
BIG EAST [1,467]
8. West Virginia 1,008
21. South Florida 350
29. Rutgers 53
33. Pittsburgh 34
37. Cincinnati 13
39t. Connecticut 9
The REST [733]
17. Brigham Young 547 [MWC]
25. Fresno State 91 [WAC]
28. Utah 60 [MWC]
34. Boise State 25 [WAC]
42t. Notre Dame 5 [IND]
42t. TCU 5 [MWC]
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Schedule of top #3
#1 GEORGIA
9/13 @ #27 South Carolina
9/20 @ #16 Arizona State
9/27 H #26 Alabama
10/11 H #18 Tennessee
10/25 @ #6 L.S.U.
11/1 vs #5 Florida [at Jax, FL]
11/8 @ #42 Kentucky
11/15 @ #11 Auburn
#2 SOUTHERN CAL
9/13 H #3 Ohio State
9/25 @ #35 Oregon State
10/4 H #20 Oregon
10/11 H #16 Arizona State
11/8 H #32 California
11/29 H #42 Notre Dame
#3 OHIO STATE
9/13 @ #2 Southern Cal
10/4 @ #12 Wisconsin
10/18 @ #39 Michigan State
10/25 H #25 Penn State
11/15 @ #19 Illinois
11/22 H #22 Michigan
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| | | 459 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 14:53
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From Collegefootballtalk.com:
ESPN TO PAY $150 MILLION A YEAR FOR SEC RIGHTS
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 25, 2008, 9:30 a.m.
ESPN and the SEC have agreed to a 15-year, $2.25 billion deal that will give ESPN the TV rights to all SEC games that aren’t taken by CBS. The deal averages out to $150 million a year for the conference, or $12.5 million a year for each conference school.
The deal, which will be formally announced today and was first reported by Sports Business Journal, means the SEC will be raking in more than $200 million a year from its media partners.
Although the SEC still gets first crack at the marquee Saturday afternoon and evening football games, ESPN will get all kinds of programming for all of its networks and its expanding Internet video service, ESPN 360. ESPN is also working hard to get more distribution for its college-themed network, ESPNU, and having a deal in place with the SEC can only help there.
I always feel a little queasy when I read about multi-billion dollar deals involving allegedly amateur athletics, but there’s not much doubt that this deal is good business for both the SEC and the Worldwide Leader.
Now this is awesome. No more crap games for ESPN on Saturday where we are subjected to the likes of Northwestern / Iowa or Wisconsin / Northen Illinois.
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| | | 460 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 21:48
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Although a big Dawgs fan, my heart is still a Mizzou Tigers fan...
Don't be surprised if you see these guys up there again. This year their schedule is very easy and could go undefeated going into the Big 12 Championship game.. Which I imagine will be Oklahoma again.
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| | | 461 | Peter N.
ID: 16520218
Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 22:07
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Don't count out Texas Tech in the Big 12 South. I see the November 22nd matchup against OU being for the right to go to the Big 12 Championship.
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| | | 462 | Promize
ID: 8857295
Mon, Aug 25, 2008, 22:40
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Yah, Texas Tech high scoring machine also... problem with the whole Big 12 is they are all offense and no defense.
Which means I doubt will see them in the BCS Championship.
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| | | 463 | Promize@Parents
ID: 26759316
Sun, Aug 31, 2008, 08:09
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I can say, I did not walk away to confident in my #1 Dawgs yesterday.. Mainly defense.
Knowshown though, stud as usual... But a big scare after his third touchdown as he got up limping.
Stafford and WRs looked amazingly good..
Defense... lots and lots of errors, mental mistakes and lost one of our key lineman.
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| | | 464 | Slizz
ID: 38329268
Mon, Sep 01, 2008, 13:38
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I gotta say Stafford has a great deep ball. The way he threaded the seam on the Dawgs first drive was amazing.
As for ECU over VT. That hardly surprised me as everyone on here knows I think the Hokies are one of the most overrated teams in college football.
USC, much to my chagrin, looks like the best team in the land. Georgia allowed a weak Georgia Southern squad with 8 of their staters suspended to drop 20+ points!!! USC dominated a crappy ACC opponent and looked unstoppable.
They'll beat Ohio State, with our without Beanie Wells, by at least 3 Touchdowns. I expect them to go wire to wire in the national championship vs. a SEC team hopefully!
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| | | 465 | TB
ID: 395122110
Tue, Sep 02, 2008, 18:54
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We should retire this thread and start a 2008 College Football thread.
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