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Subject: RIFC 2010: Draft Discussion

Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 13:51

The RIFC draft will be activated at MFL tomorrow morning (Thursday), but our draft does not officially start until Friday. Early picks are permitted, but not expected. Until the first round has been completed, the clock will be turned off. After one round, the clock will be set at 6 hours, with a moratorium from 1am-7am EDT. Please note: The clock will continue to run on weekends.

I am unsure as to how the MFL draft system will handle it, but the intent is that people at the endpoints of the draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. Similarly, the clock will be manually advanced to skip past anyone who already has a pick in arrears, unless other arrangements have been made in advance of that pick.

Remember that we are using a “Banzai” draft order, which differs from the traditional snake in that the order of the third round (and only that round) is reversed. The MFL system shows the correct order.

We will maintain a draft discussion thread here, but it will probably not be used extensively. If you know that you have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette. I’ll also use this thread for general announcements about the draft.

There are some important differences in the mechanics of the MFL system vs. the kafenatid.net system that we have used in prior years. Those differences, along with instructions for using MFL, appear below in the next post.

When drafting, there is no need to draft every position. For example, if you want to skip a kicker, be my guest. You will, however, need to start a complete lineup for the first NFL week.

Note that trades during the draft are allowed. Trades should be announced here, and may include any combination of picks and/or players.

Players who are not yet listed at myfantasyleague.com may be drafted, and if so, a placeholder player will be assigned to your roster until that player is available. Once the draft is complete, you may no longer sign (or protect) an unlisted player.

Please be sure you understand all of the scoring and roster rules for this league. The current rules will be copied into post 2 of this thread.

Rationales will be expected for each pick, but delayed by two rounds. When we near the end of round two, I will set up a thread for those.

Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.

If you wish to track the draft without directly accessing the mfl site (e.g., if that site is blocked from your access at work), the following links may be used:

List view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraft.pl?league=20248
Grid view: http://66.221.169.118/cgi-bin/mfldraftgrid.pl?league=20248
This will also allow you to keep tabs on other RIFC drafts as well. Note, however, that this is strictly a viewing mechanism. It will not allow you to actually enter a draft pick, or set up a queue. For that, you will still need to log directly into the mfl site - or else email the commish to do it.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 13:54

Here are some guidelines for executing your draft picks:

1. "My Draft List" - Under the "For Owners" menu (at the top), there is an item called My Draft List. You can think of this as your personal pre-ranking of players if you wish, although it has one important operational impact. If your 6-hour clock expires, then your pick will be automatically selected as the top name on your "My Draft List". Only if that list is empty will your pick be skipped. (More on this in a moment.)

2. "Pre-Draft Pick" list - These are the equivalent of the kafenatid "queue", with several important distinctions:

There is a separate list/queue for each round, and they do not carry over, and

If there is a name in your queue, that player will be immediately selected when it is your turn to draft. The only way to turn off a round-specific queue is to empty it.

Therefore, it is important to keep your queues empty unless you are sure that they should be used. If you expect to want to load & unload your queue frequently (similar to turning it on or off), then you should probably keep a list of players in "My Draft list", as you can quickly pull up that short list to add players to any queue.

Of course, if you have players in "My Draft List", then you are also subject to having those players selected if you should time-out. Typically, that shouldn't be a problem, as timing-out should be a rare occurrence.

If you want to keep players loaded in "My Draft List" and you don't want to risk the top name being selected automatically upon timeout, then I suggest putting a "placeholder" player at the top of your list. Following is a short list of possible placeholders who are retired (or dead) yet still available in the MFL database:
Chris Henry
David Tyree
Bert Berry
Junior Seau

There are undoubtedly other player names that we can come up with for additional placeholder options, if needed. If you time-out and a placeholder player is automatically selected for you, then you can have the commish replace that player with a real pick when you are available.

Note that because queued picks are automatically processed, there is no role tantamount to a designated picker. As commissioner, I can enter a pick on anyone’s behalf. Other than that, you – or anyone else with access to your MFL password – will be the only one who can directly enter a pick.

If any of these instructions are unclear, please ask.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 13:55

Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
1 LB
1 DB
3 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total

Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.

Offense Category Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2

Kicking Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0

Team Defense Points
(the following points apply only to team defenses)
Sack 1
Interception 2
Fumble recovered 2
TD 6 (excludes TDs on kick or punt returns)
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
0-2 defensive points allowed 10
3-6 defensive points allowed 7
7-13 defensive points allowed 4
14-20 defensive points allowed 1
21-27 defensive points allowed 0
28-34 defensive points allowed -1
35+ defensive points allowed -4
Defensive points allowed exclude TDs scored by the opposing special teams or the opposing defense (i.e., TDs on turnovers, kick/punt returns, or blocked kicks).

Points are assigned for yardage allowed according to the following table:
500+ yards allowed: 0 points
400-499 yards allowed: 1 point
300-399: 2
275-299: 3
250-274: 4
225-249: 5
200-224: 6
175-199: 7
150-174: 8
125-149: 9
under 125: 10

Indiv Defensive Players Points
(apply to all players, including offensive players and kickers)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Pass defensed 1
Sack 3 (half sack=1.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 1
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3

Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.

In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.

Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following each of the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset during the regular season. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed, the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.

Starting at 3:00pm on Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status. Players who were just dropped in conjunction with a waiver claim will be treated the same as other free agents (i.e., not subject to s separate waiver period).

(Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process, with priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft order.)

Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.

Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16

Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.

After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.

If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.

The trade deadline is 11:30pm EST on November 11.

Stat corrections
These will be automatically applied. This typically happens on Thursday morning. In the playoffs, this can lead to an issue if a team is suddenly “back in the game”, but that team was unable to make roster moves the prior day. If a stat correction changes a playoff matchup at the last minute, then any impacted team will be given the opportunity to make a last minute roster move, if needed. The Commissioner will attempt to ensure that this provision is enabled as fairly as possible under the circumstances.

During the playoffs, once the first game of the week has started, no stat corrections will be allowed thereafter.

Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first (regardless of the number of teams), then total points.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.

Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.

If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.

Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 20:35

I have to go to Austin to help my daughter move into college. I'll be out Friday 5:00 PM to Saturday 5:00 PM. After that, I'll have plenty of time to kill. Internet will be sketchy. My cell phone # is at the MFL site, if someone wants to text me the picks or call. It probably won't get back to me anyways. I'll be ready to pick tomorrow when it starts to get this thing going. Good luck to everyone and I hope you're able to get the players you want.

Frick
ID: 347191721
Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 23:30

Am I looking at the website correctly, does it show who has players in a queue and for which round? If so, that could help speed up the draft if you see that the people before you are ready to go when they come up.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 01:18

If you go to the draft report page (reports > league > draft) and you can see all the picks that have queues set up. Seeing blocks of pre-drafting is always nice.

I'm going to throw up a queue for when this starts tomorrow. If my guy gets hurt during practice before I hop on, I demand a mulligan :D

Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 02:04

I have to go to Austin to help my daughter move into college.

oh, please tell me this is an Aggie moving a soon-to-be Longhorn....

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 08:54

Yes, both of my kids are traitors.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 09:14

The draft has started. The draft has started. I also received a text message: 1.01 Building 7 Johnson C. If I get one of these after every pick, I'll be OK when I go out of town.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 09:54

To receive an email after each pick, you need to go to For Owners->Franchise Setup, then select Contact info, and make sure Draft status update is checked in the bottom box (Send email for). While you are there, make sure you have the other boxes selected to match your preferences. Some trial and error may be necessary.

Trades (once the season starts) will be notified via email only if you select "New Poll Created"

If you go to the wireless link, you can have draft pick notifications sent to your phone via text message. Sounds like that is already working for Building 7.

slizz-blackberry
ID: 32745617
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 12:23

Saw that I am on the clock based on the list view.

Please give me ray rice.

Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 13:28

I don't think anyone can select for ya slizz...think you have to
make your selection on your own. Am I right on this??

Frick
ID: 97321912
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 13:32

I believe that Guru can, but no one else.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 13:44

Correct - and I just did it.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 13:55

Nice surprise to see ADP at 3.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 13:56

Merry Christmas!

Frick
ID: 97321912
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 14:02

I can't say that there are any surprises in the draft so far, but now is when it could get interesting.

I'm assuming we're doing write ups of our picks. With the Banzai draft, are we going to start posting them after round 3?

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 14:24

Just going to throw this out there now, even though I should have mentioned it earlier for this season, but I think next year the draft should start after the week 2 pre-season games at the earliest. Ideally it'd be after week 3. I hate to see players injured in only the 2nd (or 3rd) week of preseason that were already drafted. People get hurt, but cutting out a week or two of games before starting would help. The draft can always be sped up to fit time constraints if needed for this to happen. I'm sure people would leave queues often to speed things up if we did have a shortened draft window and it wouldn't be a big deal. Right now we're drafting 3 weeks before the season officially starts, which isn't really necessary.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 14:42

[16] Rationales starting after round 2. Even though we'll be out of sequence with the draft order, waiting an extra round wouldn't really fix that, would it?

[17] I considered that, but decided not to wait until next week for two reasons -
1. Uncertainty about how fast this draft would go. Historically, they've taken 2 weeks, and if using MFL doesn't speed that up, I though it would be good to get it done before the Labor Day weekend, when some people may be unavailable.

2. I'm going on a road trip to see UConn play Michigan on Sept 4 (on the road from Sept. 2-6), and was hoping not to have to honcho the draft during that trip.

...and you're right, you could have raised that issue much earlier! ;-}

Promize@Home
ID: 87451913
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 14:45

Ugh,

That was a tough pick...

3 injury riddled RB's to choose from...
Position in the draft...

Just had to clinch at least one would be Stud position player.

Will see.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 14:57

Well, we can use this year as a gauge for next, assuming we use MFL for drafting again. MFL by itself won't speed things up a whole lot unless people set a lot of queues. The most common holdup is when people only a few picks away are around but then gone for a few hours and don't leave a queue. Maybe once people get used to leaving queues or see others do it consistently, they'll leave more. The only spots where I think it's hard to leave queues are if you're on a turn and need to avoid taking 2 players at the same position, or if your next pick is 1.5+ rounds away. Otherwise, once the draft is probably about 3 to 5 rounds in, it's pretty easy to leave a decently sized queue.

Basically we could cut a lot of the draft time down if we want, to start it later in the pre-season, as long as people are willing to leave queues. Anyways, we can discuss this next year when the time comes, but can keep an eye on slow spots in this year's draft.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:00

Think your guy was Gore at 5.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:24

There is talk of changing the schedule to 18 real games, 2 preseason games. Maybe next year.

I have received text messages for every pick except the ones made by the computer. Bonka and letter j. Not sure why I don't get those. They happen too quickly or something.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:28

I'm pretty sure the system combines picks when they're taken from a queue. So the one sent for Guru's pick should contain mine underneath it.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:44

Maybe it should, but it did not.

MSG: 1.05: Promize Johnson, A Next Pick: EE

Then there is a link to the internet.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:49

Oh, you're talking about a text message. Yeah, maybe they need to work out some kinks with those, because this was the email I got:

Rotoguru Invitational Football Challenge Draft Update
Pick 1.05
Promize selected Johnson, Andre HOU WR

Pick 1.06:
Short Bus - letterj selected Gore, Frank SFO RB

Waiting on Electro Eagles for the next pick.

Rotoguru Invitational Football Challenge Address:
http://www22.myfantasyleague.com/2010/home/20248

Frick
ID: 97321912
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:53

I got a link in my text, but only the Andre Johnson pick.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 17:06

Next year, we could be dealing with an 18 game schedule,... or a lockout.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 17:10

I'd prefer neither, but a lockout is worse.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 00:13

Looks like Frick's queue ran out.

slizz
ID: 43133920
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 07:38

bonka = enforcer!

Frick
ID: 97321912
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 08:44

Sorry, I had two unique queues so that I wouldn't potentially draft 2 QBs. It worked out so that the 2nd one was empty.

I'll pick in a few minutes, unless someone wants to trade up to this spot.

Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 08:46

Attending a charity golf tournament today, so net access will
be sporadic. I'll do my best, but if it gets to me quickly, there
may be some delay before I make my pick.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 10:22

I sent this "support request" message to MFL yesterday:

We are using an email draft. The draft status text message feature is nice - except that apparently no message is sent for picks made from a Pre-draft list. I assume this is a glitch?

This response came today:

No, this is working as designed. Text messages must be very short, so pre-draft picks are not texted out, only interactive draft picks.

Sounds like the design premise is flawed, in that case.

Frick
ID: 97321912
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 11:07

I would rather have all of the picks than a link to their site with every text.

Here is an example of the details you get with a pick.

2.01 Fugazi Williams. D Next Pick Frick

Then you get a link to the site. They could fit more in without hitting the cap. Or they could send an additional text with each and every pick. Or leave the link out and have more space for picks.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 11:17

I don't know why people would only be interested in interactive draft picks and not pre-draft picks. All they want to know is who was pioked, regardless of methodology.

Text messages must be very short. Aren't the pre-draft pick text messages the same size as the interactive draft picks? What's the difference. Send each one in a separate text message.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 11:28

[35] I think that's the rub. For emails, they include all live and predraft picks in a single email. But they weren't clever enough (or diligent enough) to figure out how to send individual texts for each pre-draft pick - instead just copping out due to the size limitation.

Any programmer worth his salt should be able to do this appropriately.

I suspect if they get enough feedback about this, they'll do it right.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 11:35

I just got this response to my suggestion that they consider a separate text for each pick:

Thanks for the feedback. The purpose of the current draft status text messages is to let folks know a pick has been made, and their draft is moving forward - not to let them know each and every pick that was made. The major limitation here is the fact that text messages can only be 140 characters long, and there can be an unlimited number of pre-draft picks that are triggered by one interactive pick. So, when someone gets the text message, they can know to check the full web site to see the overall progress of the draft, submit a draft pick (or pre-draft pick) from the web site.

That said, I'll re-classify this ticket as a "Feature Request", and hopefully this idea is something we can take a closer look at for a future site enhancement.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 11:44

As a workaround for those who would like to keep running track of all picks, I can try to manually send out a separate text for any picks made from a pre-draft list.

As a caveat, I do not use text messaging - but can generally send out a text message via email. If you'd like me to do this, please send me (via email) your texting-equivalent email address (for example, Verizon uses [phone-number]@vtext.com).

I won't be able to commit to sending out all texts immediately, of course. But it should be better than a total void, for those of you who are relying on texts to stay current.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 11:45

So, when someone gets the text message, they can know to check the full web site to see the overall progress of the draft, submit a draft pick (or pre-draft pick) from the web site.

If we could access the full website, we wouldn't be bothering with text messages in the first place. I'm not complaining though, just making a reccommendation. MFL is awesome.

Frick
ID: 97321912
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 11:47

Is the clock now on?

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 12:25

Doesn't look like the clock was turned on.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 12:41

I didn't formally turn it on yet, although I only agreed to keep it off for the first round.

Hopefully, it won't matter, - but I'm going to play it by ear for now. I'll certainly turn it on before the 3rd round.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 13:44

I may be interested in moving back a couple slots from my 2nd round pick depending on who's available. With the Banzai draft it will probably be difficult to work a trade out, but if you're interested at all, toss me an email or offer something on the league site.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 15:08

There is an MFL App for the iPhone which will keep the game scores for you...Right now that
is "all" it does.

Smith32
ID: 406443112
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 17:37

2 friendly suggestions for improvement for MFL:

1) A checkbox or other option for "in this round, don't pick a player from the same position as the previous round". I couldn't figure out a way to setup my queue for Rd 2 (before my Rd 1 pick) to prevent the possibility of getting both Brees and Manning. Such an option would be helpful for those of us near the ends.

2) Drafted players should be removed from your queue. I set a Rd 2 queue, and when I checked it later, all of the players were still on the list, even though some of them had since been drafted.

If I am just an idiot and there is already a solution to either or both of these items, please kindly let me know. Thanks.

Smith32

judy
ID: 9729212
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 17:54

btw, is there a way to get emails when it is your turn only or is it just an all or nothing thing?

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 17:56

Regarding the drafted players not being removed, I honestly think they leave them in for the rare cases that player A was taken, but then the pick was swapped to player B, and player A was in someone else's queue down the line. Since the queues are all automatic, it makes sense to have it set up like this.

The other issue is something I've mentioned here in I think 2 different places. I'm not sure if you can do that with any draft system out there, since I haven't used them all. I did post on their suggestions forum a little while ago about adding in conditional queues, which would be a little more advanced than what you suggested with the checkbox. Either would work, you just have more flexibility with mine (and more work setting up multiple queues). Anyone that's interested should just go to the thread and post their own idea or give it some support. Hopefully they'll actually look in to it since options like these would really let you set up a couple rounds of queues if needed and not worry about repeat position selections.

http://forums.myfantasyleague.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=27376

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 17:57

Electro just sent me an email... He'd like: Shonn Greene RB, NYJ

Frick
ID: 97321912
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 18:32

I had the same issue with my 2nd queue ending up empty.

I don't understand your logic for not removing a player from a queue. The player has been drafted, what possibility exists that the player would be put back into the pool?

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 18:51

The commish can change the pick at any time for whatever reason. Like I said, it's rare, but it does happen. Seems like a better safe than sorry implementation, but could easily manage without it. Submit a ticket to MFL if you really want to know why it's set up like this and possibly convince them to change it.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 18:56

Oh man, after posting that and seeing the bolded Shonn Greene, there's a good example. What if Electro shows up and claims IAC is trying to sabotage his draft and really wanted so and so...player put back in pool :D

Anyways, all you can do is ask them. I'd imagine it's for the reason I stated or lazy programming. Take your pick.

Frick
ID: 97321912
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 19:50

So, for the extremely rare case of a pick being made incorrectly (and not simply a manager having a change of heart) queues are cluttered with already drafted players. I'm going to go with lazy programming. But, I'll submit a ticket about it.

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 20:01

RE 51 "Oh man, after posting that and seeing the bolded Shonn Greene, there's a good example. What if Electro shows up and claims IAC is trying to sabotage his draft and really wanted so and so...player put back in pool :D"

Why would you even insinuate that?

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 20:03

It was just an example, wasn't trying to insinuate you would do that at all. Sorry.

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 20:08

No problem... A little on edge since earlier this year on this board.

Smith32
ID: 406443112
Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 20:28

Bonka - email sent re: [43]

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 09:32

I emailed Promize and told him that if he has not picked by 10:15 this morning, we are moving on. That's an extra 3 hours.

I assume no one has heard from him, or knows anything about his MIA status? I hate to have skipped picks in the first few rounds, but we need to keep moving.

Frick
ID: 97321912
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 09:34

Thanks for the heads up Guru. I was just getting ready to see if the clock was going to be on or off this weekend.

PromizeParents
ID: 46552288
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 09:36

Will pick in a moment, had an unexpected trip I had to go on yesterday...

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 09:39

I will turn on the clock today.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 11:23

Clock is now on.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 12:51

Can't believe this many QBs have gone already compared to past years. I was debating Jennings vs Romo last night.

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 13:49

I'm out to a funeral, didn't have time to put together a list. I will be back in a couple of hours.

Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 14:51

This Banzai draft is probably creating some confusion right now in the rationale thread--because you aren't picking the same place in round 3 you did in round 1. This means it's really important to pay attention to the draft and figure out when it's your turn to post. Like, I went 9th overall, so I'll post in the rationale thread when letter j picks in round 3.

I recommend writing up a rationale for each player you draft at the same time as you are selecting them. This really helps to keep the rationales thread in order. No one wants to read a third round rationale for the first time when the draft gets to round 18.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 15:59

I think I have figured out why MLF does not unilaterally delete picks already made from our
personal Q's. It is programming trade off.

In Kafenatid when we created our Q's and then went to reorder the picks, each time we
moved a player up or down, it went to the main data base and as you recall, that took time
for the change to happen. I can remember moving a guy up a list of 10 picks and having it
seem to take forever.

Here in MFL, it is easy to move the picks up and down in your personal Q and it happens
quickly as it does not go and reference the main data base. The main DB on the ADP and
Alpha list are up to date and are the only DB up to date.

So, what I am doing is hand writing my list for each Q (if it is a longish one) and then
crossing off the names as they are picked. I hesitate to delete the names from my Q as I
might make a misteak switching back and forth between the DB list and my Q -- and delete
someone I really wanted!

Lucky for us we have tried both systems and we can weigh in on which we like.

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:33

BTW - I noticed a small "faux-pas" in the rationals. Please be careful not to mention names of players that have yet to be selected. This is proper draft etiquette.

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:40

I am back, will pick in a few. Sorry for the delay.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:43

Man, now I probably can't get Franco Harris in the 24th since you mentioned him. Grr

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:45

[66] I edited out the undrafted names (other than Franco Harris). I'll try to remember to reinsert them once those players have been taken.

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 16:55

Is it ok to refer to a certain backup or a certain reciever on team A.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:04

Going to post this here as well since I just found out you can do this. You can reorder franchise lists so that when you go to view roster grids (Reports > Franchise > Rosters then click on Grid Format) you can have it ordered the same as the draft rather than franchise 1 through 14.

Commissioner/Franchise Setup > Custom Franchise Order. You can see the franchise numbers under Franchise Setup or by mousing over team links and looking for f=0001 through f=0014.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:14

The grid would be a lot more useful with that correction.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:21

[72] Yes

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:23

Dohhh,... I was planning on Gates for this pick. Didn't think he'd be taken yet - and he almost wasn't.

Guess I should have opted for the 3rd pick after all. In any event, I'll need some time to reassess the options now.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:26

Ha! After writing my rationale for that pick (after having no idea what I was doing until I decided to grab him) I thought to myself, this seems to be about where Guru would normally grab him.

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:49

speaking of which... "Guess what?! I got a fever, and the only prescription... is more cowbell!"

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 17:59

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 18:05

Guru, would you mind changing around what I posted with the franchise order? I'm sure most people would like the roster grid listed in draft order.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 18:06

I have a feeling my pick of Sidney Rice will turn out to be a spectacular one - in one direction or the other.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 18:10

Rice is a guy that popped in my head for this pick, but I wasn't real sure about him. Add in the hip injury, I figured I'd see if he fell another round.

Personally, I'm hoping all his TDs go to Peterson :D

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 18:10

[81] Done

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 19:11

Re 83, I had the same thoughts too with my last pick.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 19:11

Wonder what happened to B7. He was on the site when his pick was up, but that was quite a while ago.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 19:36

Well, at least I can't be disappointed by Best going right in front of me in a few picks now.

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 23:23

Unsure of my strategy with the 4.07 pick. Feel free to send me your offer.

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 03:52

Left a queue for round 4 but might not be on before noon eastern to check for round 5.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 08:56

I also left a queue for round 4. Struggling with rd 5, so that will have to wait until I return around 1:30 or so.

101

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 12:30

Nice Megatron rationale. Better hope he actually plays up to the hype this season.

103

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 14:11

Nicks was on top of my queue for 4.13. He went 4.12.

Cribbs was going to be my pick for 5.02. Again, snagged right before me.

Brutal draft.

104

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 14:13

Man, talk about a forced pick due to not being up for another 24 picks. eeeek

105

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 14:15

Finley is fine there for you. I figured you'd go TE with one of your picks, would have been surprised if you didn't. Would have took him myself possibly, but the bye week is the same as my WR + TE already, so it'd be kind of rough.

106

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 17:14

Harvin could be a steal, but kr/pr duties always change and his migraines are pretty concerning and made me not pull the trigger on him for my last pick. Then again, he could play all 16 games, Rice could be missing for some of them which would increase Harvin's productivity, and he could still be doing returns. Would hate to see the migraines limit him, he's a great player, but can really see this guy being forced in to early retirement because of them :/

107

slizz-blackberry
ID: 32745617
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 17:25

Not as bad as my draft Guru.

Took a QB a round too early. Took Willis and missed out on Nicks and Ward.

So it could be worse...

108

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 18:11

I'd have definitely taken Harvin in Rnd 4 (probably even rnd 3) if not for the migraines. Just sounds like a few last minute surprise DNPs at best, and perhaps much worse. That collapse on the sidelines last week does not bode well...

115

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Aug 22, 2010, 21:21

Yeah, the collapse is certainly a major worry. The migraines might just be a symptom of a larger problem.

118

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 05:49

I'll be out most of the day... but I got queue's set for the 6th/7th rounds. Hopefully they should be adequate. Should be back around supper time EST just in case though.

123

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 09:54

Well, I really had hoped these picks went off because I have to leave within the next 30-40 minutes and won't be back until probably 7pm eastern for an on location job. The only chance I have of internet access is if I can somehow pick up wireless on a laptop I'll bring around 1:15 or something, which I doubt will happen. It looked like things were setting up perfectly and I'd get my round 6 pick in this morning and leave a queue for 7 then head out, but only 2 picks have gone off since 7pm last night which leaves me in a bad spot for setting queues, but don't want to hold up the draft or time out.

Going to email Guru with what I can scrape up for a round 7 queue and hope nothing crazy happens with these next few picks. If it gets back to me for round 8, I'll get a pick in as soon as I can get on tonight, whenever that is.

124

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:59

Sorry for the delay - I've already talked myself into several different strategies for this pick, and still haven't settled on one. Plus, I had to walk the dog and do a minor car repair before my daughter took off with the car.

125

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 14:22

Head up on my availability:

1. I hope to be out (golfing - weather permitting) from about 4pm-8:30pm ET today. I won't have a pick due during that span, but if anyone else plans to relay a pick through me, I'll probably not be available - although the local weather is very iffy.

2. Tuesday - I'll be taking my daughter to college (Hofstra) tomorrow afternoon, and away from about 3pm until 11pm or so. I will have occasional opportunities to check in, but again, I cannot be depended on to be readily available to make picks on anyone else's behalf during that frame. It's best if you can make other plans.

126

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:10

Guru or someone familiar with the MFL site (Resident expert Bonka maybe?)
Is there a way to see how much time is left on the clock for the draft pick. I'm glad the NFL season starts in 17 days 05h 19m 29s but can I have a countdown on how much time is left on the current pick instead?

127

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:16

Subtract? You can always see that time of the last pick.

128

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:20

Crap. I was hoping that wouldn't happen. I just noticed that I doubled up unnecessarily due to queue's on a position... can I take back my last pick anyhow? If not, it's ok I'll live with it.

129

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:20

FYI - nobody has picked yet, since mine went off.

130

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:26

I'll adjust the pick if you can respond quickly. I think MC is currently offline anyway.

131

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:30

Thanks Dave. I think that "conditional" queue system is a definite good idea for future revisions.

135

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:02

Ugh, if those picks would have went off a half hour earlier this morning I could have gotten my queues done more accurately based off who went. Hopefully this doesn't come back to bite me.

Also, Kyle, the draft status on the main page shows you the time remaining. If it's not there, you can add the module for it for yourself or have the commish add it to the default home page. It shows info like this:

Timer is off between 1 a.m. ET and 7 a.m. ET
Timer Expires In About 5 hours, 48 minutes
Waiting For: twilson's Milchian Magicians
On Deck: Mötley Crüe

You can always add 6 hours to the last pick as well, all the times are shown on the draft report. The draft status timer takes in to consideration the hours the clock is off as well though.

140

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:09

FYI - We are now in the 6th round for RATIONALES, so everything is back to normal. No more Banzai confusion. Please try to post your rational PRIOR to making your pick. :)

143

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 21:01

I've set up Bonka to have Commissioner powers during the draft, so he can handle any duties that require a Commissioner during my absence tomorrow afternoon and evening.

144

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 21:02

Why don't they trade one of those stud running backs on Carolina for a good receiver?

148

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 21:43

I'm potentially interested in moving into the 8th round for a 2nd pick. If anyone is interested for compensation later, please let me know.

149

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 22:00

Sent you an email IAC. I'll give it some time before making a pick.

151

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 23:11

I just read your Floyd rationale Guru. If I qualify to return next season, I assume you'll make certain to not draft next to me again.

152

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 23:58

No doubt...

155

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 09:09

[82] Looks like Sidney Rice will be a spectacularly bad pick. Latest report is surgery, missing at least half the season.

157

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:16

Good job on rationales so far - both quality and timeliness.

Here are the only ones still missing for the first 6 rounds:

twilson
4.05 Ochocinco
5.10 Beason
6.05 S. Moss

letterj
4.09 Ronnie Brown
5.06 Sims-Walker
6.09 A. Bradshaw

Promize
4.10 Crabtree
5.05 Barber
6.10 Laurinaitis

Fugazi
5.14 B. Edwards
6.01 Jets def

Slizz
6.11 Knox

162

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:34

Yeah, Rice being out hurts. Was hoping the news wouldn't get out to everyone that quick and Berrian would stay undrafted for a bit.

165

Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 14:24

Re post 158

May the wrath of the fantasy gods be unleashed upon you for
speaking bad things of my RB

167

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 14:58

I set up some queues for rounds 10-11 this morning, in anticipation of being out from 3-12 today. I'll be leaving shortly, and those queues are already getting decimated (Berrian, Fletcher, Jackson, Roethlisberger, Meachem).

There are still 6 names, so they may or may not hold up. I should be able to check in sometime around 7, if they run dry.

168

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:14

I'll try to be kind. I hope they don't charge you $5 to park for one hour on the campus lot, so that you can move your kid in. Like they did at t.u.

169

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:25

If you guys need anything, like leaving a queue or changing a pick if none have gone off since yours, email me and I can take care of it until Guru gets back tonight.

173

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 19:05

Man, today sure is slow. Been anxiously awaiting my pick. On the topic of this, we're at the point where setting queues should be easy for the most part, so hopefully there's an increase in queues so we don't run in to any long holdups.

176

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 20:02

Was hoping McClain would somehow be there for me next round. Pretty solid LB value there for Guru.

180

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:24

Funny, reading other leagues threads, they don't seem to be liking the draft on MFL. I can't really say that it is that bad. I actually like it a lot. Saves a lot of navigating through differnt web pages.

181

Frick
ID: 97321912
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:36

You must have found the right screens. I never get the page that I want. There are 3 or 4 different draft links that go to different view of the draft. I never seem to click on the one that I want.

182

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:48

There seems to be a lot of features when you are able to go through them.

183

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:52

MFL is better than anything I've ever used. It just takes a bit to get used to due to there being so much available and their interface not being real intuitive. Just have to look around and you'll eventually find what you're looking for. MFL gives you a ton of control over the setup of your league, options galore. You can even do a complete overhaul of league page to have it look how you'd like with custom code and graphics. I also prefer doing everything on one site rather than drafting somewhere then importing, it's just so much easier.

There's always going to be some things that could be improved no matter what site you use, but unless you contact them and suggest things or complain then you can't complain too much.

184

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:59

I notice somewhere where you can place priority on you list of players you leave. We have already had an instance in the draft where that could have been used. Also, I am sure that the commishes are going to enjoy not putting players on each team. I think people are just complaining because there seems to be a lot of changes going on this year, and people generally are defensive when it comes to change.

186

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:06

Electro, that option you're talking about is only applied to the My Draft List and is essentially useless. It's only useful if you plan on setting your My Draft List and not being around for the draft, and picking what position(s) you want in each round and it picks the highest ranked player at the position(s). You can't tell it to take a RB or WR in round X and then take a RB (or WR) in round Y if you took a WR (or RB) in round X. This is no different than setting queues if you're around to do so. This is why I posted on their forums about the conditional queue stuff, but it hasn't gotten any useful responses. I'll probably submit a ticket to them through the help system at some point about it for next year.

187

Frick
ID: 97321912
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:09

I like MFL in general, there are a few quirks that I'm getting used to, but overall it seems to be well done.

Bonka, do you work for or know people who work at MFL?

188

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:11

Ah, seemed like too good of an idea.

189

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:40

No, I have no ties or contacts with them. I've just been playing in a league on their since 2006 or 2007 so I'm pretty familiar with it and know it's a big improvement over other sites we've used in the past for RIFC stuff. There could be another site out there just starting or building up that's better than MFL, always have to be willing to try out new things. A lot of people around here seem pretty resistant to change, so it's tough to change their minds. No offense to anyone, but most likely it's just an age thing. I'd wager most people here are a good 10+ years older than I am (being only 25) and the older you get the more you seem to want to hang on to what you're used to :D

190

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:41

Man, I can't stand grammar errors and I always manage to slip in stuff like I did with 'their.' I know the difference...I think it's some kind of muscle memory and brain lapse combined.

191

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 23:05

Nobody would have noticed, if you didn't say anything.

I'm old and I like MFL. Of course, I was in favor of the super-flex position....QB,RB,TE,WR,DEF,D,K.

193

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 08:30

When does the clock pause during the night?

194

Frick
ID: 97321912
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 08:38

1AM - 7AM I believe. Looks like Promize will time out in about 20 minutes or so. Assuming my math is right, so be careful with that.

196

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 09:33

[193-194] Correct, the pause is 1am-7am ET. But it was letterj who timed out.

197

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 09:49

I hope that he checks in soon, it will be his pick again very soon, and a whole round will have gone by.

198

Frick
ID: 97321912
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 09:52

Does he get a new clock for his round 12 pick, or will he be skipped automatically? I ask for both RIFC and MFL.

199

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 09:59

I know that IAC is his brother, so I called him to see if he can get in touch with him.

200

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:09

[198] Our RIFC rule is that one you are skipped, you continue to be skipped until your picks are made up. That's stated in the opening post.

I don't know how MFL handles it automatically. I suspect they don't automatically skip the next pick.

But I can manually skip it. Since we are moving very fast this morning (10 picks in the last hour) and making reasonable time overall, I'm not inclined to do that right away - but I also would not let it go the full 6 hours, in fairness to others.

202

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:37

It's amazing how fast people can pick once someone has been skipped. 16 picks in an hour and a half.

205

Bags @ work
ID: 34229257
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 11:34

If you need someone to draft for LetterJ I could help out till he returns.

I'm picking in the same spot (#6) in the AAA league. We are about the same spot in the draft so it wouldnt be hard for me to pick fior both teams. We also have about the same roster (position number wise) so I think I would be able to fill out his team.

Send me an email if you would like me to help.

207

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:39

Ahhhh, these late rounds I can see are going to be frustrating having so many picks between mine. 2 guys I was interested in lasted all the way until only 4 and 5 picks in front of me.

I think we should just assign Shortbus players based on ADP/need and let him change them when he shows up later if need be. This way nothing is held up, but his team doesn't fall behind a ton.

208

Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:39

So sorry, a Court emergency developed...I'll also select
Greg Olsen, TE, CHI for my earlier missed pick.

209

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:39

Never mind, there he is.

210

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:45

Letter_J, can you select for yourself on the MFL website? If not I can put the pick in for you since Guru gave me commish powers for when he was gone most of yesterday.

211

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:50

I did it.

212

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 12:51

Eh, was curious to see if he was able to or not for future reference. Oh well.

213

Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:00

For some reason, the site was not allowing me to make the
earlier missed pick.

214

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:07

Alright, that's good to know. It really should let you, not much of a reason not to.

216

Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:10

I don't have access to my laptop, only my iPad, so I wonder if
that might have been the problem...not sure.

217

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:18

No, after looking at the league setup, it looks like you can only change it via the Commish 'if the rules allow it.' So it seems they leave it be since I guess some leagues don't allow you to make up the pick possibly or for some other reason. I dunno, seems like there should be an option to let managers make their pick up or not.

227

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 19:57

Just got in from work. Figured a two round queue was good enough to get me through the day? Wow, went fast. I'll get updated and pick shortly.

232

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:29

Received the following notice this morning:

As part of our on-going partnership with Rotoworld.com, we will be updating our player database and changing the position of several players to match the position on the Rotoworld.com Depth Charts. The complete list of player position changes is shown on this page. These changes will take effect on Friday morning, August 27th. Most of the changes involve individual defensive players, so they will have minimal impact, if any, on standard (non-IDP) leagues.

Please check your roster of drafted players on Friday to see if any have been impacted. If so, you have the option of reverting back to their position as of the time they were drafted, or you may accept the change. If you want them to revert back, let me know, as this requires the Commissioner to accomplish.

233

Challenger
Sustainer
ID: 481126818
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:36

Here is the link Guru referred to in post 232

link

234

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 09:57

Thanks, Chall.

I don't think any of them have been drafted, and most wouldn't matter anyway, as they are DT to DE, or CB to S, or something along those lines.

235

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:04

Hey big guys! I was wondering if there was any chance I could get someone to move some of the rationales from the AAA #1 draft discussion into our rationales thread. We're doing them 5 rounds at a time, so right now I'm working to get the round 6-10's out, but I have some 1-5's that have placeholders and have been filled out. If need be I can tell you which posts should be moved into which spots. Thanks.

236

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 10:08

Good job on staying reasonably current with rationales (with the exception of one manager). Following are the overdue rationales through pick 11.10.

twilson
4.05 Ochocinco
5.10 Beason
6.05 S. Moss
7.10 R. Williams
8.05 K Winslow
9.10 Royal
10.05
11.10 Briggs

Fugazi
9.14 Berrian
10.01 Fletcher

letterj
10.09 V. Jackson
11.06 Olsen

Promize
10.10 Palmer
11.05 Ware

Slizz
11.04 GB def

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Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 12:28

Man slizz, I was going to look at grabbing Arenas late in the draft. Amendola was someone I was going to look at soon too. Buggers.

243

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 12:42

I'll post my 12.14 and 13.01 shortly. I left them at home. And I'm going home for the day.

245

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 13:03

Alright Motley Crue, time to stop picking from my 'hope to grab in a few rounds' list. Thanks :D

249

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 17:04

To overcome the MFL text message limitation that does not send notifications of queued picks, I have written an independent routine to do this.

The system will check on draft results every 10 minutes. If there have been any new picks, a separate message will be sent for each pick. The message can go to an email address, or to a cell phone as a text message. The text will simply say something of this format:

15.09(Motley Crue) Huggins, Kareem TBB RB [Queue] -Next: twilson's MI

If it goes to an email address, that text will be in the subject line, and the body of the email will be blank.

If a pick was made from a queue, that will be noted.
If a team name is longer than 12 characters, then it will be truncated after the 12th
The email will come from RIFC@rotoguru1.com

If you want to be included on this, send me your email address or your cell# (and cell carrier). It's live!

250

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 17:26

Note: because the pick appears in the subject line, I actually like this better than the email sent from MFL - since I don't have to open the email to see what the pick(s) were.

252

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:27

We are moving at a pace faster than we used to with the Kafenatid system. I think that's mostly because people are using queues more often than they used to (and not because queued picks are automated).

Previously, we used to average about 24 picks or day. But since Sunday (after everyone got acclimated to MFL), we have been averaging 45 picks per day, of which about 40% have been from queues.

Question: do you think you have been more prone to use queues with MFL (vs. kafenatid?) If so, is that because of the automatic pick feature, or the round specific feature, or something else?

253

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:33

For me: Round specific feature... although I always tried to use it plenty on Kafenatid as well.

254

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:40

I use the feature as I did with kafenatid. I guess there are 2 reasons:
- round specfic queues
- you see which other teams already left a queue and get a feeling how long it takes until it is your turn

255

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:43

Could just be people seeing that others have queues set up in front or behind them. There's been a lot of spots where queues should/could have been set up and weren't as well. Setting a 1 round queue at this point is pretty easy, but there's people 7-9 picks out that don't. Because of that, speed can be picked up if needed (if we were drafting closer to the season start) or just to get done earlier and let people get back to their normal days.

I really think 3 rounds a day is a good pace, would set this draft to be done in 8 days.

256

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 18:56

I have been more prone to use queues with kafenatid. But, this year I have been around most of the time and haven't needed to use q's much.

259

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 21:22

Man, Amendola is going to be amazing value now.

Would be nice if these picks got in soon. Not sure why a queue wasn't set. Don't like sitting on picks while games are going on, can be a pretty big advantage.

260

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 22:33

Just got in from religious engagement. will get caught up and pick shortly.

261

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 22:35

I see, praying for fantasy football success. That's acceptable.

262

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 23:29

Man, I was sweating Tate being taken all night due to the delay and him returning the opening kickoff in their game tonight.

263

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 00:14

I'll pick in the morning. Not sure what I'm doing.

264

Frick-phone
ID: 347592516
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 11:52

I apologize for being behind on my picks. I had to do some live scouting at the Colts/Packers game last night. Heading home now and I'll get caught tonight.

267

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 13:21

Sorry, but this is a bit ridiculous if someone is going to come close to timing out a 2nd time. I can understand if things come up, but leave a queue so we can avoid delaying the draft so people can get back to their daily lives. It's so late in the draft that a 6-8 person queue can sometimes last 2 rounds, and even if not, setting a 14 person queue is pretty easy.

268

Promize@Home
ID: 87451913
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 13:36

I agree with Bonka, we stall out on our draft on the same person everytime... This late in the draft? A queue can easily be made.. I know we are way ahead of track though, so not much of a problem. But still would be nice to have this draft over with.

270

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:11

At this rate we'll be lucky to get any more than 2 rounds done today.

271

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:28

I'd be interested in trading my picks in the 18th and 19th for someone else's 18th and 19th. If my guy is still around. Plus we need to see how MFL handles a trade. I have 18.14 and 19.01 if that interests anyone. I may be able to do an upgrade in one of the last rounds to get it done.

272

Fugazi
ID: 20202323
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:30

Sorry about the holdup guys. My internet has been down for a couple days. Been having my bro make my picks over the phone. Internet is now back up and I will get caught up on rationals shortly.

273

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 18:38

[270] in the Kafenatid era, 2 rounds in a day was a decent pace. I'll admit that we've been faster lately, but the overall pace is still very good. Less than 100 picks to go.

Should be done early next week - at the latest.

274

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 19:15

No trades yet this year eh? Surprised it's been so quiet on that front.

275

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 19:28

I usually like to make at least one trade, just because you can. We need to see if the trade software works at MFL , so someone needs to take me up on my trade offer. lq

276

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 19:41

MFL trades work fine.

277

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 19:46

Yeah. I'm joking.

279

I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Fri, Aug 27, 2010, 20:07

woops, just realized i gave rationals for 17/18 a little early. sorry, my bad.

281

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 08:54

Was reading this article, Peyton needs his diaper changed, and wonder if the new umpire placement rule could affect FF late in the season? Or will teams that it affects(like the colts) work around it and steamroll through the season as usual, leading to the resting of the starters late in the year?

287

slizz
Donor
ID: 43133920
Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 16:42

Totally agree Electroman...in hindsight, I should've went with him instead of Geno Hayes and you'll read why later in my Analysis.

Per Peter King: "3. Star in the making: Safety Dashon Goldson. The Niners think he is the right combination of big hitter and rangy center fielder, and at 6-foot-2 and 200 pounds, he's big enough to help in run-support. This could be his breakout year."

288

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 17:21

I wonder if we could finish the draft this weekend? It would be nice to not have to get up extra early to set up a queue.

290

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 17:43

I left a queue for my next 2 picks, but my round 21 queue might not be long enough, although it should probably last. I have to head out until probably around 8pm eastern.

293

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 20:19

The AAA leagues are showing us up with setting queues and getting the draft out of the way. Would be nice to get this done before Monday.

302

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 16:20

Wonder what happened to Smith32, he was the 2nd fastest with getting picks off and hasn't been on the site in over a day. Hopefully nothing major.

303

Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 16:25

Oddly to me, participants in these leagues tend to be more available during weekdays than on weekends. I'm the opposite way, to my wife's chagrin. He's probably camping or on a weekend excursion. That's the usual story when people get back to the draft after a long absence.

304

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 17:01

Is the clock running on the weekend?

305

Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 17:05

Yeah it runs over the weekend. Would be nice to finish up tonight, but that doesn't look very likely due to the holdups this weekend.

306

Electroman
ID: 565182111
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 17:14

7 picks made today, yeah, I don't see us finishing tonight.

307

Smith32
ID: 406443112
Sun, Aug 29, 2010, 18:32

Sorry guys. Was out of town and got back a little later than expected. I set queues for 2 rds yesterday before I left and thought that would be enough.

315

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 11:43

As you complete your drafts, go ahead and post your remaining rationales here.

Once the draft is completed, we will lock all free agent pickups, and a waiver period will start. I'm inclined to stretch the waiver lockout though at least Thursday, and maybe Friday (any thoughts on that?) Waiver priorities will be in the reverse order of the draft (round 1). After waivers clear, any player may be added or dropped as free agents.

327

Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 17:26

Guru, yeah, go ahead and push the waiver period back a few days.

328

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 22:02

Does anyone remember how we handled partial lineups last year? Did we allow teams to score points with a partial lineup?

331

Promize@Home
ID: 87451913
Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 22:24

I'll try and catch up on these tomorrow... been a crazy last 4 days.

Glad this has ended :)

332

Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 01:25

RE 328: I may be remembering old RIFC leagues but as I recall teams with invalid rosters didn't score. I think there was an issue about this rule last year in AAA #2, but I'd have go go back and look to see what the ruling was.

333

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 09:26

[328 & 332] I know that Fanball did not allow partial lineups, so it was a moot point back then.

MFL does allow partial lineups (unless we force it to require full lineups.)

My inclination is to allow partial lineups - as it's almost never to a team's advantage to leave a slot empty. (A crappy defense might be the one exception.) Allowing partial lineups also permits greater flexibilty in setting midweek lineups, if you are in transition for roster moves.

334

Frick
ID: 97321912
Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 09:43

My initial thoughts are that partial line-ups shouldn't be allowed. The main reason is people have illegal rosters so they can horde a few specific positions. The reason we have a short bench is to keep the WW with a few players worth picking up.

343

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 17:12

Rationales overdue:
twilson
24.05 Haggan
23.10 Abraham
22.05 M. Moore
21.10 Hobbs
20.05 Miami
19.10 A. Gonzalez
18.05 Akers
17.10 Session
16.05 Pats defense
15.10 Murphy
14.05 Dawkins
13.10 B. Scott

344

Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 17:21

I'm for partial lineups. If a manager wants to play with a handicap because he thinks it can help him, then I'm OK with that.

345

twilson
ID: 221142214
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 19:54

9.10 Eddie Royal, WR, DEN
I hate using the “somebody has to catch the ball” reasoning for a pick, but this is a situation in which it definitely applies. From what I have read, Royal will be getting a chance to redeem himself after the lost season he put forth last year. The upside is his 2008 line of nearly 1000 yds and 5 TDs. I am expecting a significantly lower performance, perhaps 600 yds with a handful of TDs. Combining that production with his historical numbers as a return man place him squarely in the WR3 tier. Since I’m getting him at a WR4 price, I think it’s worth the gamble.

10.05 Ben Roethlisberger, QB, PIT
In the last three years, Roethlisberger has been ranked #4, #22, and #3 as his position in PPG. He will likely be suspended for the first 4 weeks of the season, but that shouldn’t affect him once he returns. It isn’t often one can take a guy who puts up those kind of numbers as the 15th QB off the board. McNabb would’ve been another consideration had he dropped.

11.10 Lance Briggs, LB, CHI
Briggs is a proven low-end LB1. He has averaged at least 7.8 ppg for each of the last 6 years, and at age 29, his physical prime has not yet fully passed. I really like having 2 very reliable IDPs around which I can try fliers, and Briggs will join Beason as part of this year’s core. This is the 4th year of 5 in which I have owned Briggs in my RIFC league (and the latest I’ve drafted him), so there’s clearly something that draws me. I seriously contemplated picking up Thomas Jones as a handcuff at this spot, but decided to take a risk. This is probably something that I’ll look back upon negatively at the conclusion of the draft, but what’s done is done.

12.05 David Garrard, QB, JAC
Garrard may not offer the upside of the other QBs available, but he is tremendously consistent year in and year out. The WR corps is gradually improving (though it still has a ways to go), and despite some rumors to the contrary his starting job looks to be safe. Since Big Ben is going to be out for the first 5 weeks (including bye), I wanted to lock down my preferred backup before the long wait until my next pick.

13.10 Bernard Scott, RB, CIN
As two of my first three RBs shared a bye week, I wanted to pick up another RB to cover me for those situations. Cincinnati likes to run the ball, and I’m of the opinion that Cedric Benson is much more a product of his environment than the other way around. Even if Benson stays healthy and productive, Scott should see a handful of carries every game. In addition, he is a good kick returner and has solid matchups during the bye weeks for my starters. As it turned out, I think I should’ve waited one more round to draft him because I was hoping to grab Tyvon Branch around the turn. Youngroman denied me that opportunity, so I was forced to change plans on the fly.

14.05 Brian Dawkins, DB, DEN
I had no positions here where I felt I could not wait and get pretty much the same value, so I went for an IDP since depth is a littler nicer there than elsewhere at this point. Dawkins put up 8 ppg in his first Denver year. I don’t expect him to keep up that pace, but it’ll be nice to own the former Eagle.

15.10 Louis Murphy, WR, OAK
Louis Murphy was the best WR in Oakland last year as a rookie, easily outperforming the 1st rounder Heyward-Bey. Now that he has a QB capable of throwing the ball, I expect a significant boost in performance. Whether or not that boost makes him relevant fantasy-wise is the question, and I can’t say for certain which way it will end up.

16.05 New England Patriots DEF
The Patriots were a respectable though unexciting fantasy defense a year ago as they embarked on their transition away from the veteran group that had helped them win their Super Bowls. Another year should only enhance the unit’s performance. It doesn’t hurt that the QBs in their division are quite weak on the whole. I also strongly considered the Giants, Bengals, and Dolphins.

17.10 Clint Session, LB, IND
Session is another returning LB to my team. The WLB spot in Indy has produced good fantasy players dating back to Cato June, and Session continued the tradition last year. I probably would’ve gone with Gary Brackett here had he not had the injury scare the night before. The Giants DEF may have been appealing had they made it 5 more picks.

18.05 David Akers, K, PHI
Akers has been a top 3 kicker for both of the last two years. I believe in the talent that has been aggregated in Philadelphia on the offensive side of the ball. Also, Akers has a late bye week that is not common on my team thus far, particularly in comparison to the others I was considering. At this point in the draft, I see value in grabbing a highly projected kicker instead of grabbing IDP #5 or DEF #2.

19.10 Anthony Gonzalez, WR, IND
Gonzalez was a top sleeper pick going into last year until he hurt his knee and the Colts decided to lie to everyone for 15 weeks. According to the news reports, he’s still not 100%, but if he regains the role he was supposed to fill last year, he will significantly outperform this draft slot. A high risk high reward pick, which is what I want at this point in the draft.

20.05 Miami Dolphins DEF
I think the Dolphins defense will take a step forward this year. Their young secondary is a year older and more experienced, and they brought in Karlos Dansby to be a difference maker in the front 7. If it doesn’t happen, then I’ll drop them for another team after a few weeks.

21.10 Ellis Hobbs, DB, PHI
Had been targeting Bulluck and Bradie James as late game LBs, but they went off the board. Back in his NE days, Hobbs was a top DB performer, combining a starting job with consistent kick return performance. He got knocked out for the season early last year but seems to have recovered enough that the Eagles felt comfortable trading away [undrafted]. Hopefully that means he will be back to his old tricks as a CB/KR. Since the pick was made, the Eagles have declared him the primary kick returner.

22.05 Mewelde Moore, RB, PIT
He’s the clear #2 RB in Pittsburgh, so I picked him up as a handcuff. I drafted him now rather than later because I didn’t yet have other targets picked out.

23.10 John Abraham, DE, ATL
He has produced fairly well in the past when healthy and faces the statue known as Byron Leftwich in Week 1.

24.05 Mario Haggan, LB, DEN
Wanted another LB for lineup flexibility. Haggan will be the other ILB in Denver next to DJ Williams, so he should have a good number of chances. I have no idea if he’ll convert them or not. He may not even be on my roster by Week 1, but he’ll do for now.

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