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Subject: Gurupie 24 2012 12th season

Posted by: Judy - [54203110] Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 19:35

Here we go again!

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 19:36

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 19:43

waiting list, please.

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 19:50

In. Buffalo Bills.

Great One
ID: 512531316
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 19:57

GO's Jets are here to play and help set the league up in any way they can assist.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 20:00

Oops. Judy = cardinals

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 20:17

In.

New Orleans Saints. I think.

Pete N.
ID: 277271020
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 21:14

Dallas Cowboys are in and ready to defend the title!

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 21:43

Chargers are in.

Will assist if needed.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 21:45

I think I sent an email from CBS for everyone to join, but I did not get mine back yet so who knows...

Also, we cannot delete an owner until he signs in (??) so Cards needs to sign in... weird system, eh?

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 21:48

Just got it. Wow, CBS is sure slow...

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 13, 2012, 22:34

Re 9 I can do it...just need to delete cards and add the newbie.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 00:46

I will take a look at things and make sure nothing gets screwed up, Don't delete anyone.

youngroman
ID: 56523304
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 04:13

Cincinnati Bengals are in.

Promize
ID: 7752210
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 09:21

Is there a keeper function anymore in CBS?

Promize / Seahawks

jseth333
ID: 507151215
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 09:34

I helped with the Buffalo Bills last season...would take a team if one is available.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 10:09

I told jseth last ssn that if he helped Slizz with his team and it worked out he would get first dibs on a team if someone left.

CBS has a draft that apparently lets you change for traded draft picks. This would prevent having to enter draft picks, etc. but I don't think there is a time limit which is a big problem.

There have been a lot of changes with CBS but thus far I have been able to find everything I've looked for...eventually.

Frick
ID: 14082314
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 11:35

Minnesota Vikings are in.

Have we had an issue with people making picks in the past? Would the administrative work to use CBS be that much more than not using it? We could still have a clock and cumulative clock and have a commish or assistant commish "draft" for the manager who needed to be skipped? They could pick up a retired player or someone who is highly unlikely to be drafted.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 12:05

Detroit Lions in.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 12:59

Baltimore Ravens will be in.

Doug
ID: 3272116
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 14:39

Oakland Raiders are in.

Skinneej
ID: 26914279
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 15:28

Packers in

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Tue, Aug 14, 2012, 17:14

Carolina- and I believe I am already paid up?

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 13:50

Eagles are in.

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 13:54

<14> You go to your roster page and check the box(s) for Keepers in the column next to the players name and then "Set" your roster.

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 14:03

Found this in the "help" section under "How do I set up my draft? CBS has a slow-live draft function now. (Login first) It's called "Online Extended Draft"

Set up draft

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 14:33

I have the keepers set up for aug 21 with a draft day of aug 23. Thanks for all of the kind words I have gotten privately. It means a lot. I know I have to make a decision very very quickly. For now I am still setting up the league so we make sure it continues regardless if I am a part of it or not.

DS, I have addressed you in that other thread so I will not address that again, thanks for the kind words too. As far as the draft goes, I am still unsure if you can edit specific rounds of the draft on CBS and there is no time limit. You can edit it so it auto-drafts and continues which we don't want. I have to get deeper into it...Still working on the schedule. Once that is done, then it's as simple (albeit time-consuming) as entering it into the CBS schedule. Have to also go through every line and make sure it is right. Always find mistakes on it.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 15:10

Hi guys,

I set up drafttime/kafenatid for us last year, although I cannot find it in my archived draft, it is mentioned in the 2011 thread.

It certainly is a faster program and runs itself. The main drawback is that the CBS site has to be kept up to date. When you draft a guy, you gotta pick him up. We could give some temporary commish controls to folks who are generally home or near a computer on a regular basis...

If I can have the order and the trades I can get it set up in drafttime and add keepers as they are posted.

Because of personal scheduling, I would prefer keepers to be set by midnight Monday August 20. I will need the extra time to get it right and give folks time to check it over to make sure the trades are correct.

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 15:21

Ref, I was going to send you an e-mail, but I couldn't find your address on short notice.

I want to be completely practical.

Look, all the dissatisfaction you feel is cuz of G20 Baseball. So why not leave it to baseball? Leave what you do re baseball to next year.

Stay in football.

Toral

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 15:36

2011 timeline:

Keepers due 6 pm Tuesday August 23
Draft opened noon Thursday August 25

1st pick: August 24 9:31 pm
Last pick: september 1 1:29 am

Early pace for first nine rounds was 50 picks per day.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 16:06

Judy, we can make it at rollover on aug 20. making that change now. (That's midnightish on Aug 21).That's about 5 days from now so get your trade feelers out! Sure we could start the draft later, but remember that we run into Labor Day Weekend which is a huge problem for some so we need to keep the draft where it is at the latest. Typically we start the clock at Noon ET on that day.

I hope to have the schedule done by tonight. Still working on backdating the playoffs to reform the standings at end of regular season. You'd think I'd have learned by now to post the end of regular season standings. We do have seedings so that gives me a clue at least.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 16:19

Ref

Let's open a thread for keepers just to get folks thinking...
Keepers and non keeps.

Shall I open up a drafttime and send invites?

Where are the trades? I looked all over the CBS site and cannot find them!

I'll cross reference the sign ins with teams so we can email who is missing...

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 16:29

Missing sign ins:

CT/ browns
Yokel/JAX
Gshade/Chiefs
Bmd/ Texans
Coyote/broncos
Twarpy/Jints
CCR/bears

jSeth has 49ers?

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 16:49

Where are the trades? I looked all over the CBS site and cannot find them!

go to league details. It is at the bottom.

What about the lottery picks ?

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 18:13

I promised jseth he could have the first team that came open if he helped Slizz last ssn and did a good job. Judy you are going to have to email all of those owners. If they don't respond by Friday, they need to be replaced. I sent him an offer yesterday morning and he has not accepted it by signing in.

Can get a Keeper thread up but most don't post their Keepers until it gets closer to the date.

XIV 2012 Traded Draft Picks:
11-16-10 Chargers gets Jets 9th round pick for their11th round pick (2010 deal for Kitna)
10-16 YR's Bengals get Ref's Colts 6th rounder for his 8th (Bills D)
10-23 YR's Bengals get Pete's Cowboys 7th rounder for his 9th (Boller)
10-29-2011 YR's Bengals get StLCards 49ers 7th rounder for his10th (Feeley/Mare)
11-4-2011 Toral's Saints get StLCards 49ers 6th for his 7th in 2012. (RamsD)
11-17-2011 StLCards 49ers gets CCRider's Bears 1st & 6th round picks for his 8th & 11th round picks in 2012 (Palmer)
12-1-2011 Nerfherder's Lions gets BMD's Texans 5th round for his 8th round pick in 2012 (Jaguars DST).
12-3-2011 NY jets gets SD Chargers 3rd pick 2012, SD Chargers gets NY Jets 7th rd pick 2012

Judy
ID: 28523116
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 18:22

Will email tonight.

Will also open a draft time and invite. Ok on that

Anyone want to run the lottery?

Details in last year's thread.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 18:25

Guru runs the lottery. I will have to send him the info. Need to get the schedule done first though.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 19:01

2012 Schedule

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 19:48

Keeper Lists Belong here:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1064&lastpost=1345074469

Someone please make a nice link... Thanks.

jseth333
ID: 507151215
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 20:04

Can the invite be sent/re-sent? Thanks!

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 20:14

on its way -- I think. Let me know here if you got it.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 20:19

#32 Emails sent to those listed in #32 asking them to sign in here and be sure to check emails and threads on a regular basis!

jseth333
ID: 147311519
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 20:31

Got it. Thanks!

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:15

Drafttime invites sent out -- 4 times -- I have a new Mac touchpad and I haven't figured out how sensitive it is -- sorry about that.

Also IGNORE THIS PART -- It does not pertain to Drafttime:

It is an "oopsie" on my part.

To accept this invitation, click this link (or cut and paste
the link into your browser's address field):
http://rfsrfs.football.cbssports.com/j/c043731c636c79f69c8437bc44600466c6510d1f877811fd

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:18

jseth let me know if you get into Drafttime. You are the only newbie so far...

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:22

Lottery Draw. First pick is a BIG upset and goes to:

Detroit!

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:23

2nd pick goes to Arizona.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:24

3rd Pick goes to Cleveland.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:24

4th ball is Arizona. Repick.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:25

5th ball is Cleveland. Repick.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:26

6th Ball Arizona. Repick.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:27

7th ball is Az. Repick

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:28

8th Ball and the 4th Pick goes to Green Bay!

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 21:47

Champion - Dallas Cowboys
2nd - Oakland Raiders
3rd - Philadelphia Eagles
4th - Houston Texans
5th - San Diego Chargers
6th - Minnesota Vikings at
7th - Chicago Bears at
8th - Buffalo Bills
9. New York Giants
10. Carolina Panthers
11. Cincinnati Bengals
12. Kansas City Chiefs
13. Denver Broncos
14. Baltimore Ravens
15. Indianapolis Colts
16. San Francisco 49ers
17. Detroit Lions
18. New Orleans Saints
19. Seattle Seahawks
20. Jacksonville Jaguars
21. Green Bay Packers
22. New York Jets
23. Cleveland Browns
24. Arizona Cardinals

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 22:00

Base Draft Order - Round 1

1 Detroit Lions
2 Arizona Cardinals
3 Cleveland Browns
4 Green Bay Packers
5 New York Jets
6 Jacksonville Jaguars
7 Seattle Seahawks
8 New Orleans Saints
9 San Francisco 49ers
10 Indianapolis Colts
11 Baltimore Ravens
12 Denver Broncos
13 Kansas City Chiefs
14 Cincinnati Bengals
15 Carolina Panthers
16 New York Giants
17 Buffalo Bills
18 Chicago Bears
19 Minnesota Vikings
20 San Diego Chargers
21 Houston Texans
22 Philadelphia Eagles
23 Oakland Raiders
24 Dallas Cowboys

Base Draft Order - 2nd + Rounds

1 Arizona Cardinals
2 Cleveland Browns
3 New York Jets
4 Green Bay Packers
5 Jacksonville Jaguars
6 Seattle Seahawks
7 New Orleans Saints
8 Detroit Lions
9 San Francisco 49ers
10 Indianapolis Colts
11 Baltimore Ravens
12 Denver Broncos
13 Kansas City Chiefs
14 Cincinnati Bengals
15 Carolina Panthers
16 New York Giants
17 Buffalo Bills
18 Chicago Bears
19 Minnesota Vikings
20 San Diego Chargers
21 Houston Texans
22 Philadelphia Eagles
23 Oakland Raiders
24 Dallas Cowboys

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 22:10

In. Jags

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 22:18

Still need to hear from these managers:

CT/ browns
Gshade/Chiefs
Bmd/ Texans
Coyote/broncos
Twarpy/Jints
CCR/bears

Need to start recruiting managers asap. I told Judy I'd play this season, but no promises about the future. I have quit all of my other leagues. Just don't have the time to do it right.

CT
ID: 457381521
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 22:39

I am in. Cleveland Browns.

(I still need to sign into CBS - which I will do shortly)

jseth333
ID: 507151215
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 22:40

joined draft as vampireweekend

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 22:48

OK, I'll just throw this out there. It looks like my team needs a reliable RB.

ccrider
ID: 53739113
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 22:58

I'm in

Chicago Bears

CT
ID: 457381521
Wed, Aug 15, 2012, 23:14

The 3rd pick in round 1 is available depending on how certain things play out. Feel free to offer based on contingency.

**glad you are around 1 more year ref**

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 00:08

I might draft someone a young QB at #2 in exchange for a very good reliable RB...

Or I just might keep said young QB and make Ponder available for a good reliable RB.

Send offers.

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 49725166
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 07:26

NEED a QB. Will look at offers for Jones-Drew, Stevan Ridley or Ryan Williams or any other Bronco.

Toral
ID: 424462011
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 07:48

Doug Baldwin and Austin Collie are available for modest draft upgrades.

jseth333
ID: 507151215
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 09:20

Chad Johnson anyone?

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 10:36

Gshade/Chiefs
Bmd/ Texans
Twarpy/Jints
CCR/bears

Still need to hear from these four. Gshade and Twarpy are my biggest worries at this point. I still feel all spots need to be filled by tomorrow if possible. If you know how to reach any of these guys or have another email address, please try to contact them.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 10:36

Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 10:43

I need to locate Twarpy for F101 too.

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 10:48

I'm here. Will sign up for CBS this afternoon

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 13:27

Gshade/Chiefs
Twarpy/Jints

Ok, two teams left. Twarpy has stepped out of pretty much every league and everything associated with rotoguru. But he made it clear last ssn that he wanted to continue with this team when he was finally able to respond. Gshade also responded last ssn in the nick of time before we were about to have to fill that team. Obviously, we'd like them both to be back if at all possible.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 15:14

keeper thread is up -- in the wrong place, but whatever

Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 15:35

What is the keeper deadline? Should probably edit that into the keeper thread for easy access.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 15:37

GO -- I will when I remember it.

Assume it is Monday August 20 midnight PST unless you hear otherwise.

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 49725166
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 15:51

NEED a QB. Will look at offers for Jones-Drew, Stevan Ridley or Ryan Williams or any other Bronco.

gshade
ID: 357591614
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 15:59

Hey guys. I'm in!

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 18:57

I cannot do anything in Drafttime until Twarpy or a replacement is set.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 19:08

I just reached out to twarpy. Hopefully he gets back to me tonight.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 22:47

Keeper Deadline:

Team owners will have until 11:59 PM ET on the designated date to select their keepers. Any player not designated as a keeper will be returned to the player pool between midnight and 6 AM ET the next morning.

Designated date is Monday, August 20.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 16, 2012, 23:29

Twarpy got back to me and will not be returning. So we need to replace him before we can move forward.

gshade
ID: 357591614
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 12:44

anybody interested in?

Jacquizz Rodgers, rb - keeper
Evan Royster, rb - keeper
Miles Austin, wr - keeper
Eric Decker, wr - keeper
Derrick Johnson, lb - discard
Santonio Holmes, wr - discard
San Diego DST - discard (probably not going to trade them since I'll need to draft a DEF and there is limited supply)

At the moment, I'm throwing away some decent talent and wouldn't mind a return on them. I'd be interested in packaging 2-3 for a position upgrade or just getting a draft pick for the guys I plan on dropping.

email me with an offer.

Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 15:58

I am accepting 2-1 and 3-1 type offers for Chris Johnson, Andre Johnson and Jamaal Charles.

I preferably would need a QB in there. I also may be shopping my #5 pick for a good QB/WR/RB player. Make some offers. I can check in again Sunday night and all day Monday.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 16:12

Proposal: eliminate DST

Rationale: RIFC did and it works great

Opinions?

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 16:32

Any progress on twarpy replacement? I have someone to ask if you want me to. He is in the big boys/RIFC.

gshade
ID: 357591614
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 16:57

re: 83

I'd be on board for eliminating DST. Were you thinking for this year?

However, I know if I had a defense like the 49ers I would be pretty upset. How did the other league deal with this?

I'd propose a supplemental 2nd & 5th round in this year's draft that went in order of 2011 DST points. Teams with DSTs that finished in the Top 10 would get a supplemental 2nd round pick (in order of DST finish) at the begining of round 2. Teams with DSTs that finished 11-15 get a supplemental pick at the beginning of round 5 in order of DST finish.

Maybe that isn't the exact solution, but I think there needs to be some compensation to those teams.

Another question: Would we go from 9 keepers to 8? I hope not, I really like the franchise aspect of the league.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 17:29

Not sure drafttime can handle that...

The position is just gone. Poof! Nobody loses since the season has not yet started!!

I do not see any problem since keepers have not been finalized. Keepers stay at 9. So you get to keep another player!! Who, with the scoring soaring (!) around the league, will most likely score more points/game than your defense for most of the teams.

The points for DST just don't work in the current version of the pass happy NFL. It would be "better" to add another flex IDP to the lineup. There are tons of them to choose from with some strategy involved with matchups and bye weeks.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 17:30

Also, the rifc leagues look like they are not starting their draft until Monday August 27. We only have 11 rounds and if we do 2/3 per day, we are easily finished by labor day...

This would give us more time for keepers and for discussion of DST.

Thoughts?

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 17:54

There need be no hurry about the start of our draft. Friday the 24th, without a clock until Monday would probably be safer.

As for the "Nobody loses since the season has not yet started" theory, it's very weak because people have put prior investments in DSTs as a keeper. Some long term -- whoever owns Pittsburgh for example.

Judy -- whoever your best player is, let's enact a rule not letting him play this year! You lose nothing because the season hasn't even started!

i say all this as someone who has a lousy DST, and I don't think I've ever kept one.

You might propose it now for 2013. Some year a team's going to find itself surprised to find itself that all DSTs have been taken just before it planned to take one, be without a DST after the draft, and be not willing to play an extortionate price for one, and go all season invalid. I believe that has come at least somewhat close to happening at least once. Whatever the fallout from that is, it will be very unpleasant.

I believe you had a proposal last year to allow make the position DST or flex IDP. Something like that. I liked that one. I haven't looked up the point consequences.

Toral

Doug
ID: 34844117
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 18:11

No interest in dropping D/ST.

Doug
ID: 34844117
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 18:15

And I have no problem with a team just playing without a D/ST for 1 or more weeks. The worst ones only average a couple points per week. It's no different than if someone didn't have a kicker (I think I may have done that before? Or at least came close...)

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 18:44

RE: 83 - I'm for that as well...I've been on board with that from day one. with all of the idp additions it makes having a team dst just as arbitrary as having a team offense, which doesn't exist.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 19:04

Too late to kill DST this ssn even if we wanted to. 24 teams. Labor Day Weekend starts Aug 31. We need to replace Twarpy tonight IMO. I haven't had time to look at anyone and no one has contacted me independently.

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 19:07

In the past, all changes voted in go in effect the following year.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 19:10

I hate that DST Is the only place where there are consistent negative scores... A player really has to screw up to get negative, but a DST just has to have a bad matchup.

Maybe we should consider rearranging the points so the high scores and high yardage don't go so negative...

Will propose for 2013 for sure...

Frick
ID: 157331422
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 20:28

If you really want to push dropping DST next year, we should be having the discussion now. The possibility of dropping DST could affect people's draft and in-season trades. I don't think we need to have a vote now, but the possibility should at least be in the back of manager's minds as the season unfolds.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 21:51

Have a potential replacement for twarpy.

He plays in RIFC big boys this year and would be a good addition. He would like to join.

I emailed ref for an OK.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 21:52

Oh, and he is the one who got me started on fantasy stuff!

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 17, 2012, 22:13

Twarpy's replacement is TD.

He will be great!

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 01:13

I've always had a shitty D/ST but it's a staple of fantasy football so I would never be in favor of dropping it. Always up for "tweaking" it though.

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beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 01:19

If anyone wants to take a flier on a RB, Toby Gerhart is available for a pick upgrade. Feel free to shoot me an offer on CBS or an email.

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mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 11:50

Re: D/ST changes.

I wouldn't be adverse to easing up the yardage and points thresholds on D/ST scoring, as there certainly has been a lot more scoring in the NFL the past few years since these perameters were originally set.

Note however that while there may be less negative D/ST scores. the better D/STs are subsequently going to score higher point totals.

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TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 11:57

Thanks for inviting me to join the league. I signed into CBS and drafttime. I'll look over this thread over the weekend to get a feel for how the league works. This is my first time playing in a keeper league. When do you expect the draft to start?

103

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 12:58

Judy was in charge of recruiting/offering new managers. Welcome TD. Commish msg is up. Keepers due by 11:59 ET on Monday. Draft clock will start on Thursday. Draft may be opened up before then un-timed. TD, I would spend some time in our rules in our league constitution. Pretty detailed. I need to go through that too to re-acquaint myself and look at trade deadlines and anything else that needs tweaked a couple days from last ssn. Would be a good idea for all of us to take a look at the rules.

New trade included Ravens 8.11 for Chargers 10.20 and is noted in rules.

Schedule has been completed. It is not uncommon to have mistakes in it. PLEASE check your schedule and compare it to the master schedule here. You may post in that thread to confirm or comment, etc. If there is an error please alert us in threads and EMAIL asap.

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Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 13:09

As for DST, it is pretty tough to dump such a key position in a keeper league. If we were to do something like that, I think gshade might be on the right track with a supplemental pick based on how good that D was/projected to be--which might be a nightmare.

We could look at adjusting things but the yards were something we added after the first couple seasons after a big push from the league. Here is current setup.

Special Scoring for Defense/STs Name Settings
BFB Blocked Field Goals (ID/ST/DST) 3 points
BP Blocked Punts (ID/ST/DST) 3 points
BXP Blocked Extra Points (ID/ST/DST) 2 points
DFR Defensive/ST Fumble Recovered (ID/DT/DST) 2 points
DTD Total Defensive and Special Teams TD 6 points
Int Interceptions 2 points
PA Points Against, Total Points Scored 0 - 0 PAs = 21 points
2 - 5 PA = 14 points
6 - 10 PA = 10 points
11 - 14 PA = 7 points
15 - 15 PA = 6 points
16 - 16 PA = 5 points
17 - 17 PA = 4 points
18 - 18 PA = 3 points
19 - 19 PA = 2 points
20 - 20 PA = 1 point
21 - 24 PA = 0 points
25 - 28 PA = -1 point
29 - 35 PA = -3 points
36 - 42 PA = -5 points
43 - 49 PA = -7 points
50 - 99 PA = -10 points
SACK Sack 1 point
STY Safety 3 points
YDS Yards Allowed 0 - 149 YDSs = 3.5 points
150 - 174 YDSs = 3 points
175 - 199 YDSs = 2.5 points
200 - 224 YDSs = 2 points
225 - 249 YDSs = 1.5 points
250 - 274 YDSs = 1 point
275 - 299 YDSs = .5 points
300 - 349 YDSs = 0 points
350 - 374 YDSs = -.5 points
375 - 399 YDSs = -1 point
400 - 424 YDSs = -1.5 points
425 - 449 YDSs = -2 points
450 - 474 YDSs = -2.5 points
475 - 499 YDSs = -3 points
500 - 999 YDSs = -3.5 points

105

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 13:15

In this league, if we were to tweak something, we could probably get it done right away. If it is minor w/o objections, we could imp it. If there were any objections, we'd have to vote with majority rules. If it's a major change, it would take a 2/3rds majority vote to change it. Any tweak to scoring would have to be done and approved before Keeper deadline. Something as big as removing a DST would likely take a year to go into effect as people trade during the ssn for players at times with thoughts of keepers.

106

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 13:28

Looking at DST scoring, I'd say we could up the yards a little--maybe by a half point and slide everything thing down 25 yards. Then perhaps dampen the points on scoring. Reason being is that scoring counts against us even if it is given up on offense. We had a vote before that it would only count for D only but that vote was defeated.

107

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 14:11

where on website are "rules"

ALso New trade included Ravens 8.11 for Chargers 10.20 and is noted in rules.

means Ravens gets chargers 10.20 and Chargers gets Ravens 8.11?

108

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 14:28

Also shopping Colin McCarthy, LB for Tennessee. He'll be MLB for Tennessee this year and a lot of places have him as a top 10-15 LB.

109

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:44

For those who love the DST position and their specific DST group, I would propose a flex position where you could use either your DST or a flex IDP...This would also save the silly trades to have a DST during the bye week although last year sometimes a BYE week was better than the negative score my group earned!

110

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:46

I will input keepers into drafttime off of the thread list, so please make sure it is accurate!

111

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 15:52

Judy theya re calling it details this ssn: League Details

Yes it was a 2 round draft upgrade for Celek. 8th for 10th.

Judy, the scoring for DST and IDP are totally different. We have had so much discussion and voting on this and it has always failed. I am open to change, but no one has come up with anything that hte league liked. My ideas also failed.

112

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 16:55

For some reason I am not getting an email alert when there is an accepted trade anymore and there is no where for a commish alert adjustment. It does show up on the front page as a message but only reason I am hitting that page a lot right now is because of all the settings I am making and trying to figure out my Keepers.

Please take care of your team business. We are taking a lot of time setting this league up in the background, please take care of business as quickly as possible as we request it. Haven't heard from anyone on the schedule yet and I have only been able to go through week 1 again at this point. Keepers, Drafttime, keeper check boxes, etc. all need to be done in a timely manner. Please don't make us have to address your individual team due to non-compliance. I am not even sure who my Keepers are at this point so trying to figure out someone else's would be scary for you.

113

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 16:55

114

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Aug 18, 2012, 23:40

Add Anquan Boldin to my shopping list. Looking for a draft pick(s).

115

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 12:39

crap -- VBrown down with broken ankle. my already pathetic team takes another hit! I thought I had a nice young WR corps with him DJax and T Young...

116

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 13:35

Judy I am sorry but I can't support ever changing keeper rules w/o a unanimous consent of all owners. It can take years to plan to upgrade slots and you can't just throw them out because they never should have been there in the first place no matter how valid that argument. It's a prime draw back of keeper leagues.

117

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 15:34

no problem -- just tossing it out...

118

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 18:35

I am buying players. Multiple players. Have had conversations with a few teams but not all are getting back with me. I cannot wait. First reasonable offer(s) who makes a fit to upgrade my team will get the deal.

119

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 18:58

judy - I didn't get a Drafttime invite. I can see the league and it looks like I signed up though, it says "draft not started" which is correct. Can you see if I am signed up or do I need an invite? I admit to being confused.

CBS & Keeper thread input completed in any event.

120

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 20:05

judy - I found the Draftime invite & I've already joined accord to the system when I input the password. cool beans.

121

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 21:20

Posting keepers now, as I'll be out of pocket all day tomorrow. I do have a few inqiries and possible pending deals out there and will be around the rest of tonight and after 6 PM or so tomorrow for further negotiations.

122

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 21:23

dS -- I think since I renewed the league, everyone got an invite. Everyone is listed at least...

Will be working on draft order and inputting trades on tuesday after the keeper deadline Monday night.

123

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 19, 2012, 21:25

If you do a trade put it into english for me:

Put it here in this thread...!

X gets y's 7.34 pick
Y gets x's. 5.01 pick

Otherwise I gets confused for some reason. KISS!

124

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 15:08

I am still looking for a RB. Would actually look at taking two Keepers. I have a 2nd qb and a 2nd DST as well as draft picks.

125

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 21:55

I have been out all day. FYI -- I am keeping my round 1 draft pick. Sorry to the offers sent.

126

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 22:01

I have gotten several offers for my #1 as well. I think this could be the deepest Rookie pool for us in a long long time. Thrilled by some of the names who could be there for me at #10. Thanks for all the offers but I am looking for a clear upgrade over someone I have. Shouldn't be that hard as my team isn't very good at all.

127

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 23:15

REF

You think your keepers aren't any good? Check out mine! I need to not blow this draft!

128

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Aug 20, 2012, 23:58

Remind me -- since I am in control of the draft -- heh, heh, heh

When are we starting? Most leagues seem to be waiting until Monday the 27th...

129

Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 00:02

According to post 103, the draft may be opened up on Wednesday and the draft clock will start running on Thursday.

If we weren't starting till next week there would be no sense in having the keeper deadline today. In the G20/24 league the draft starts -- or has started -- two days or so after the keeper deadline.

130

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 10:54

Again, once Labor Day Weekend hits, getting any kind of picks in is really tough. What's funny is that we've always been the last league to start our draft, so others starting later is surprising. Guess they got tired of getting done so fast then waiting a week for the first game. It iwll take us over a week to draft. If we start on the 27th that means we are drafting through Labor Day Weekend. If we were going to do that, our Keeprs would have been pushed back so we would have at least two days of setup and research time.

We still had two managers to not mark their keepers and they have been thrown back into the pool. So we can't really see who is available. We haven't had anyone check their schedule to make sure it is right as far as I know. I am swamped right now, but will try and make some time later today.

131

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 12:48

TRADE
GO Jets trade Chris Johnson + 2.03
Judy AZ trades 1.02 + 11.01

132

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 12:50

My 1.05 pick is on the trade block to trade down for either a healthy solid RB/WR type or picks to make back up some depth I just gave up.

133

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 13:01

With only 11 rounds and the ease Of drafttime, we should average 2 picks a day minimum. So 5 days for the draft!

Agree about the early keeper deadline, probably didn't need to be so early.. Oh, well...

So the draft start does not have to be Thursday...,

Thoughts?

134

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 13:03

I think its reasonable to turn it on this week, maybe with no clock.

135

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 15:05

Judy, we had it in drafttime last ssn and we started clock on same Thursday and it ended on Thurs Sept 1 (This year's Aug 30). Remember there are 24 teams and it does not snake. Our drafts take longer.

Can we start later? Sure. Problem is this...we have 24 different managers and time out rates on Fri-Sun are higher.I'd rather get the first couple rounds out of the way before then where if they are skipped,it is not so costly. We used to start on Tuesday and wouldn't get done until Saturday afternoon of Labor Day. Drafttime has cut 2 days off the process of pure thread picks.

136

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 15:07

Oh yeah, i forgot we had 24 teams...

I'll get it ready for Thursday and open it without a clock?

Clock (how long) to begin Monday?

137

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 15:13

Texans and Lions failed to check their keepers on CBS. A commish is going to have to figure that out now.

I will process the trade. It is already in the rules.

138

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 15:18

Ref I think we can just add them.

I'll try it.

139

Frick
ID: 14082314
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 16:04

I would prefer to get a couple of rounds done Thursday and Friday as I'll be travelling out of town for a wedding Labor Day weekend. For part of that I'll have no access (not even cell service). I'll try to set queues, but I might need help making picks.

140

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 16:18

Thanks to GO for adding the keepers.

It is your job to check to see that the keepers are accurate on CBS. Post here ASAP if they are not. You have until noon Weds to get it right.

Drafttime should be ready Thursday. Once it opens, those of you who made trades need to check to see that they are accurate...

I believe that trades can be made during the draft, but you are taking chances that I will be home to process it before it is your turn -- no guarantees there.

141

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 16:54

Trying to fill in Judy on draft procedures...

Generally we have keepers due on Tuesday and draft on Thursday (clock starting) at Noon. This gives everyone all day wed to prep from the FAs and allows commish to set up the draft and change setting sin CBS to allow pickup of players, etc.

Reasoning: Starting at about Fri afternoon, people aren't able to draft as quickly. The wekeend is hit or miss. IF we don't have a clock then nothing gets done. If we start on Thursday, we can get through a round or two before the weekend. Then missing a pick isn't as big a deal as missing one early on. we still need to be done by Friday afternoon of labor Day Weekend and we finished a day early last ssn. Still, starting later really isn't an option because of the aforementioned reasons.

So when we are done, adds will be turned off until we set up waivers on Sunday or Monday so the people who are gone over Labor Day weekend have a fair chance for Waiver pickups. The first game is Wed instead of Thurs this ssn, so we may start waivers on Sun instead of Mon but they wouldn't run until at least early Monday morning. Still may make it to run Tues morning--need to reacquaint myself with the WW system.

So the plan is to get things set-up sometime tomorrow and then open the draft untimed. The clock would then turn on at Noon ET on Thursday. Remember there is a cumulative clock that drafttime tracks. Once you hit that time, you will be auto-skipped. You will still get your email saying it is your turn but you will need to go back in and put in your pick before the next person picks. If you have a queue, it will auto-pick and you will not be skipped in that instance.

142

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 16:58

My team's schedule (NYG) agrees with the master schedule.

143

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 17:32

Thanks for marking/adding my keepers. They are correct.

144

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 17:43

Jake Locker is officially available now that he's won the starting job. Not sure what exactly I'm looking for. Draft pick(s) most likely but would be open with packaging him with Boldin for an upgrade at WR or RB.

145

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 18:20

I am not trading Bowe. I bet I've had a half dozen people inquire about him so let's just get that out of the way right now. I might consider trading a QB or another WR or someone else though. Need RB and other playmakers. Looking to move up in the draft even more or something else. Hit me up if you think you can improve my team--ok no jokes please--I know it's not in the greatest shape as is.

146

Frick
ID: 157331422
Tue, Aug 21, 2012, 21:16

Keepers and schedule look correct.

147

gshade
ID: 357591614
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 08:49

Draft time help needed...

How do I sign up for this?

I ran a search in both this thread & my inbox and didnt see link. Any help is appreciated.

148

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 09:17

I don't think we have to sign back up if we were in there last year, it just re-registers returning members. Once Judy unlocks the draft (after entering keepers) we should all be able to access things.

149

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 14:41

Just sign in to your drafttime account and it should be listed.

Keepers are in, but I need to double check tonight --have to go out -- home by 8 will quickly double check and open draft to go at noon thursday.

Had car trouble so running late.

150

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 14:52

Eagles keepers in CBS are correct. :-)

<147> gshade - its "Kafenatid" under the Other Football Pages pull down menu on this page. The new website is called:

Draftime Fantasy Draft Site

GO is correct, it retains the ID from previous drafts, and your ID was gshade in 2011 G24. It has the history of each draft you've participated in the past.

To reset your password you need your email ID on HERE to get in. You might check your "Spam" folder for the invite. That's where 3 Draftime emails of mine were. oops! (added it to my address book) lol

Good luck everyone!

ds

151

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 17:57

I thought Judy was going to open the draft untimed now and turn on the clock tomorrow at Noon as discussed. I am literally here for two mins but I will get an email out to her so she sees it again when she gets home.

152

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 19:53

Sorry guys -- car troubles and then a meeting. Draft is ON untimed until around noon tomorrow -- Thursday.

If you see that I messed up your keepers, tell me NOW before someone drafts your player. I think they are OK.

Use the queue system!

153

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 20:06

Add your player to CBS as soon as you draft them!

154

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 21:15

IDP ALERT!!

When you get around to drafting your IDP's BEWARE!!

With teams using 4-3 or 3-4, the definitions for LB and DL are hazy at best.

Your guy will play at what CBS decides, which might not match what Drafttime has for your guy!

155

Great One
ID: 512531316
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 22:27

Yes, please remember its whatever CBS has them eligible as... NOT Draftime.

156

Nerfherders
ID: 2829613
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 22:45

Pick made. I'm on vacation in Orlando and didn't see the draft open right away.

157

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 23:04

Judy AZ trades Andrew Luck to GO Jets

158

Great One
ID: 512531316
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 23:08

TRADE Update
GO Jets trade Chris Johnson + 2.03
Judy AZ trades 1.02 + 11.01

1.02 = Luck... now we can do a simple 2.03 for 11.01 in Draftime

159

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 23:32

Commish needs to allow add/drops before we can pick our players up.

160

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 06:47

Skinneej

I think it is fixed now. Please check and let us know inhere.

Thanks.

161

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 09:22

158: That trade was done and put into CBS immediately after it was done. Judy didn't add that to drafttime.
159: sj, the settings are good to allow pickups. Please pickup your players as soon as you draft them in drafttime.

162

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 09:45

If I see a guy available in your q, I am gonna pick him for you unless specifically told otherwise.

163

Promize
ID: 447211612
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 10:35

Your Commissioner has disabled your Add/Drops. Please contact your Commissioner about reactivating them.

Might need to double check the CBS settings again.

164

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 10:54

It is set correctly but I am thinking it only applies to the in season drop adds.

So I will give everyone commish permission when I can find that...

165

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 10:59

Guys let me take a look again. It is setup as it always was. Let me see what else CBS has changed. *Sigh*

166

Toral
ID: 424462011
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 11:00

Tried to add my pick and got the same message.

167

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 11:02

Should be fixed now...

168

Toral
ID: 424462011
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 11:06

It is.

169

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 11:19

I THINK I figured out the problem. CBS makes us start and end the draft before you can pick up players. I have now done that. In the interim, Judy gave everyone commish privs. PLEASE don't mess iwth anything as CBS has changed so much--everything is much less intuitive--at least for me. I have to really search to find things now. The draft thing is much different. Hope I got it working. Need to make sure everything is set up right now so we don't find we have mistakes once waivers are turned on (have yet to find the waiver start or order but haven't really looked for it either).

170

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 11:21

I undid the commish privs. Someone needs to see if Refs calendar change fixes it.

171

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 11:50

OK, finally got off the commish stuff to make my own pick. The only pick I thought would be there at 10 was Pead. I was taking Fleener regardless though. Pead isn't a bad pick because I think SJax days are limited, but I like SJax a lot for this ssn--barring an injury. I think Fleener could have fallen quit a bit but I think he's a big sleeper and with Gonzo likely gone after this ssn, he will help my team in the long run too. I think Luck will be looking at Wayne and Fleener a LOT this ssn and has played with Fleener through college.

I still see a lot of guys I really like. If you don't have a guy that fits your team, I'd be willing to look at trading up to pick again. Hit me up. I actually have a little time today.

172

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 12:10

I emailed B7 to see if he could add Weeden to his CBS team. If so, we are set, if not we need to do the commish privs again -- we know that works!!

BTW -- I hoped Fleener would make it to me at 2.01... Nice pick!

173

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 12:20

Warning

Your Commissioner has disabled your Add/Drops. Please contact your Commissioner about reactivating them.

It wouldn't let me add him.

174

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 12:24

OK thanks will re-up commish privs for all

175

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 12:27

OK, try again.

really important that the only thing you do is add your guys...

176

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 12:31

I cannot figure out why it is not letting you add guys. Going to have to contact CBS. I still can't find waivers. The random waiver order it gives in the add page isn't even our league's teams and won't let me adjust it from that page as it used to.

177

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 14:07

Phooey TD -- I was hoping Alshon would slip to me!

178

CT
ID: 1762314
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 15:06

Double Phooey TD and Judy - I was hoping Alshon would slip to me!!

179

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 15:06

LOL, He wouldn't have. Slizz had him queued up.

I emailed CBS for help on the settings.

180

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 16:05

Ref and I had a laugh over that...when yr didn't take him I thought I'd have a chance. Go figure he goes right before I picked.

181

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 17:35

Yokel -- somehow Blackmon ended up on my team -- thanks!

No seriously, you need to go add him. Every time I try he ends up on my team!

182

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 17:37

something has gone screwy. I cannot as commish add a player to Yokel's team?? Say what?

183

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 17:42

something else screwy -- it is not giving limits for the offensive players...on the lineup page...

184

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 17:53

Help me here, besides 1 each of QB, RB, WR and TE, how many other offensive players -- RB, WR, TE can we start? What's the total -- QB Plus 5 or 6? I forget!

185

gshade
ID: 357591614
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 18:17

i believe it's +5 (3 fixed & 2 flex).

RB
WR
TE
RB/WR/TE
RB/WR/TE

btw... thanks GO, Judy & DS for the draft time help

186

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 18:59

Judy, you have to go to setup to add players. You can't add them from the add/drop and change the team like we could before. I will link you. and add the player myself.

187

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 23, 2012, 23:20

cbs tells me you can't pick up players until the first game is played. I tried talking to this loser and he doesn't get it. My guess is that once we turn on waivers, it will be fine. Will eave on commish privs for now. Hate what they have done.

188

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 01:20

I can still enter my own players- using team/add/drop/type in name...

189

Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 09:51

CBS makes me want to punch myself in the face. Its terrible.

190

Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 09:53

How is it possible to have a Free Agent screen with no place on it to type in a players name? If you can't get them to come up in a sort, then you can't find them.

191

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 09:55

K. Winslow, TE, SEA is listed as a free agent in CBS. He shows on the keeper list CCRider on Rotoguru's keeper thread.

I've spent 20 min, trying to decide which TE to take and was about to draft Winslow when I checked to keeper thread. Winslow is on CCRiders keeper list, but not his roster.

PEOPLE - check your rosters, you've been asked repeatedly and I for one do not want to lose a pick because you failed to check or maintain your roster.

192

Frick
ID: 14082314
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 09:59

I can add my players if I search for them in the player pool. Not if I go from the add player section of my team. Not sure why that is.

193

Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 10:13

What Deepsnapper said. The responsibility is on everyone to check their own players, schedule etc.

194

Doug
ID: 387141814
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 10:48

GO... just type the player name in the search box (top right)... it's on every single page of the site. It even auto-fills with options after the first few characters, it's actually pretty sweet IMO. Don't have to try and figure out what page to navigate to search, just do it anytime.

195

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 12:17

DS and GO -- he would have come up crossed off in Drafttime...

You can use the drafttime player list -- alpha by name or position as well...

196

Nerfherders
ID: 2829613
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 12:27

I only have web access on my iPhone until Monday so any assistance with adding players would be helpful. Thanks!

197

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 12:45

Do not panic -- I have stopped the draft. CCR listed winslow in the thread as a keeper, so I put him in drafttime as such.
On his CBS page he does not list Winslow, but has Lance Briggs instead.

I will be asking the other co commishes for a ruling.

Please wait sorry for the delay.

If you have an opinion, please give it here.

198

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 13:02

Guys (and Judy), I haven't been able to be online at all today until just now. I just became aware of the problem and am researching it. I want to make sure of everything that is happened before making a ruling. I will say that we have told everyone multiple times--BEGGED YOU--to please check your keepers in CBS with the keeper thread and with Drafttime(DT) as well as to check your schedule. It is SO easy to make mistakes with the dropdowns.

Before I make my picks, I check CBS then check drafttime. It's probably easier to do it the other way around, but I like to check for injuries,e tc before I pick.

194: that's what I do
189: I agree: we've been a slave to CBS int he past due to 24 teams and our scoring system, but we may want to look again to see if any other sites allows us to change. The commish controls this year are the worst ever. If you don't draft with CBS, you are screwed it seems.

Talking with Judy via email. She doens't have IM, so this could take a few mins...

199

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 13:13

I did want Winslow so I am interested in ya'lls decision.

I wasn't trying to queue a TE, I was OTC & researching for a pick and that's where Draftime is a pain only listing alphabetically.

I'm using CBS as a tool instead of filling another draft tracking software. I never thought about KWjr being a keeper when he was available on CBS & not a draft pick.

200

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 13:28

DS -- drafttime does list by position, alphabetically. Click on players and then the position link.

201

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 13:35

OK, here is the issue:
CCR listed Winslow in rotoguru-our official keeper list--but didn't save him on the CBS Keepers. FORTUNATELY for him, Judy used the Keeper thread to post keepers in DT instead of CBS and our official draft did not allow Winslow to be drafted. Therefore, CCR still owns Winslow and not Briggs. If Judy had listed Briggs in DT, he would have been fair game at this point. So the draft stands as is and we will swap out Briggs for Winslow in CBS.

202

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 13:37

Draft is restarting!

203

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 13:57

Cool beans, no problemo.

204

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 14:14

Sorry DS--but thanks for bringing that to our attn. I or Cards usually had time to check the Keepers with CBS but I had no time this time and forgot to ask Judy or GO to check it. Ultimately, it comes down to each mgrs responsibility.

I am just praying we don't find a scheduling problem during the ssn when it is too late. We actually have fond an issue in-season before but it was in the future and was fixed in time.

205

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 15:23

I'd be willing to move one of my Keeper WRs or perhaps one of my QBs for some increased depth elsewhere. I'm trying to do a semi-rebuild and stay somewhat competitive at the same time. If anyone could use a WR for some depth, let me know. We can get creative if you want.

206

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 17:16

Under 5 min. until our first manager time out...

207

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 17:21

Whoa coldwater -- now THAT was close!

You had 50 seconds left!!

208

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 49725166
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 17:42

I didn't get a message that the clock was back on.
I would have been angry if I had clocked out.

Please can you send notices out abou this in future. Thanks

209

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 18:18

Coldwater -- you need to set that up in your drafttime account. Go to edit account at the top of the page and set your preferences for email notifications. Most people set them to be notified three rounds before.

210

gshade
ID: 447512417
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 18:56

I just picked ladarious Webb but can't add him on CBS with my mobile. Can someone add him for me or just make note of it?

211

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 19:35

Gshade team name? It's upstairs...

212

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 20:06

gs=kc

213

ccrider
ID: 53739113
Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 23:05

Hey, I apologize for holding up the draft today
by not correctly updating my keepers on cbs.

214

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 13:51

Please pick up your players from CBS. I'm trying to compile a queue for when I'm out later today and it really is time consuming going through a bunch of names of players who have already been picked.

Finally find a suitable player with no bye week conflicts only to go to DT and fnd he's already been picked. Very frustrating.

Thanks. I don't have a lot of time to do this and don't want to hold up the draft by timing out.

215

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 15:16

Hope my queue lasts, otherwise..... Tried to compile a longer one, but due to my reasons in 214 I just ran out of time.

Sorry in advance, if I hold things up.

216

Doug
ID: 387141814
Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 16:03

Sitting at 4.23 and willing to move up a few spots in 4th round... will give you a round later on (say my 8th for your 9th).

217

Beastiemiked
ID: 253102623
Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 20:54

You guys realize you can only start 1 DST?

Wouldve autopicked earlier but my DST queue was destroyed by teams picking up crappy backup DST's.

218

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 25, 2012, 21:29

THOUGHT:

Use the drafttime grid to see if your guy has been taken!!!

219

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 14:02

Another reason to consider revision of the dst category bmd!!

It's not even good strategy to hoard them either:

-you never get good value back on them in a trade to justify taking early on.
-you really can't even play matchups because they're almost always worse than the one currently owned.
-they take up an extra roster spot to where someone else can actually help.
-greater possibility of negative points...
-etc. I'm just rambling on the droid...

220

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 17:19

Off the top of my Round 6 pick, TD.

Never understood why the Iggles let him go...

222

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Sun, Aug 26, 2012, 18:12

I agree about Mikell. The Eagles have been weak at the safety position the last couple of years. jrdoolit took Calais Campbell off the top of my queue.

223

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 10:49

Please remember to add your players to your team. It is tedious for us, the commishes, to do it!

224

deepsnapperI
ID: 137112710
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 11:14

I have lost my internet access except for my Samsung until tomorrow at earliest. Srry. I have a ,queue for now. I will try Daftime next...

225

deepsnapper
ID: 137112710
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 13:32

Judy - i set auto on DRaftime.

226

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 14:18

yeah DS and you took the guy from my list...

227

deepsnapper
ID: 137112710
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 19:49

Lists are over rated lol

I set the next RD to to Auto

228

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Aug 27, 2012, 22:55

Yes, please add your players. I can understand being away from the computer for a few hours but there are currently guys that were drafted 2-3 days ago that still haven't been picked up.

229

youngroman
ID: 56523304
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 02:10

sorry for th delay. I had my queue filled but somehow I forgot to activate it. I don't know why other than that I set it at 1am local time and I was already in sleep mode.

230

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 10:27

There are going to be some angry managers if drafted players were not added to your teams and you lose them. I just don't have time to try and take care of my team and several others as well. Even when I had more time, I spend so much time as a commish that it takes away for planning for my team. We are trying to help you guys out, but IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to make sure everything is right with your team and you are fully versed in our rules. If after reading the rules, you have any questions--please ask now.

Drafting-wise--we have been a little slow, but we still have plenty of time. We will not be shortening the per pick clock--even if it extends into Labor Day weekend. I still think we will be done by Thursday. We are almost through 7 rounds in 5+ days of drafting. We have 4 more rounds to go.

231

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 11:51

re Doug 194 - the problem with this is still that when I search a player it takes me to a different page to see if he's a free agent etc.

So if I am searching free agents, I type that up there to see if he's available... I have to click on the name to find out. Then if I want to go back to searching I can hit back - but have set all my search parameters over again.

In ESPN for example - I start typing a name in and names pop up with a team name or free agent icon right next to them. I don't have to go anywhere.

232

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 11:52

I start with the Drafttime grid and compare it to my cheat sheet to see who is still free...

233

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 12:51

I don't have any type of cheat sheet, I simply use the CBS free agent pool for my G24 draft. Maybe that's why I do terrible!

cBS also blows my mind that I can't set a future lineup. What if I were on vacation? and I need to set next weeks lineup in advance? That's just ridiculous and a basic function of all other platforms.

234

PromizeCell
ID: 57571713
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 18:39

Really Jay? Walsh out of the air. Was my only player in my queue to be drafted.

235

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 19:24

Where's Pete?

He's up again soon and still has a skipped pick to fill.

236

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 21:20

I emailed Pete about his missed pick but his next pick is an auto and the Q is not yet empty. HUH?

237

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 21:54

From Pete:

I updated my queue for the wrong pick(slaps forehead). Sorry for holding up the draft.

238

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 22:43

217: LMAO after bmd's last pick at 8.21

239

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 23:24

Hahaha @ Promize...I didn't even think of the Dawgs connection! I just liked the fact he was a dome kicker with a week 11 bye.

Maybe you can trade me for him ;)

240

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 23:25

Haha ref, I just got that.

241

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 23:50

Ref, if I had a good DST, I'd never start the Browns or Colts unless it was a bye week. However, with the Browns DST, I'm guessing they'll be at least 4-5 weeks I'm starting the Colts. Going to be fun staying out of the negatives with these two.

242

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 08:35

LOL, I give up. Even trying to draft a K, there are still Ks at CBS who are FA but not available because they have already been drafted. Maybe I'll go ahead and wait until the end of the draft to take a K afterall. It pisses me off that I try and plan my draft around the availability and who still has needs at certain positions and come to find out that so many of those players aren't even available. I don't even have the time to try and find out who these players belong to and pick them up as I waste so much of the little time I have researching players who aren't even available.

243

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 15:00

And I am finished. Lineup all set -- no alerts. Ready to go!!

244

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 15:34

Brandon Spikes already picked by Dallas.

245

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 15:35

I don't know how he was available in Draftime and also CBS then.

246

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 15:36

Cowboys have Takeo Spikes.

247

Valkyrie
Dude
ID: 47042413
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 16:34

my bad, sorry

248

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 17:39

Please pick up your players in CBS! I'm on RD4 on my phone and scrolling thru draftime players by position is still alpha and a pain on ass!

U find player stats on CBS & then U have to find out if the platye is avail. on Draftime` Don't like alpha search in vain!

thanking in advance. (whew)!

ds

249

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 22:35

Pick 10.17

My pick is Braylon Edwards, WR, SEA

Trent Edwards, WR, PHI is a placeholder...

250

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 23:23

Any teams rebuilding or need a high upside long term QB? I have Jake Locker and/or draft picks. Looking for a stud DST and/or stud IDP.

251

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 14:23

Let's kill this thing off today & not let it get into the Labor Day weekend at all by making Friday a draft free day to celebrate!

Half the last 14 picks are Auto although Doug's got a 179 min hold on 11.23. How's that different that turning off "Pickers"? - other than 1 min?

Judy - Received a "new" modem from Verizon and at least I can direct connect to it and use my laptop. No Wi-Fi yet. I'm not holding for 2 hrs to find out why today & lose access again thru the effort. ha-ha...

Big Props for those of you using an Android or I-Phone to conduct online business. I don't know if I'd go blind or shoot myself first if I couldn't use a PC or MacBook. ;-)

ds

252

skinneej
ID: 11192115
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 15:40

I use my Ipad at work to keep up since these sites are all blocked through my company firewall now. Sports/Online Gambling is the category they decided to classify them as. Big Jerks! :)

253

youngroman
ID: 56523304
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 16:06

I just saw that CBS changed the position of Robert Mathis from DL to LB. at the time I drafted him he was a DL. today he is a LB. I drafted him that early because I was under the impression that he will be eligible at DL this season despite playing LB most of the time.

what is the ruling on this? I don't want to get screwed because CBS changed a position this late in the pre-season.

254

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 16:59

253 YR: that is horrible. They should leave him or make him dual-eligible. Unfortunately we are powerless to change this. A few years ago they changed a WR to a TE on us late and there was uproar and their retort was that they were going to have their players reflect their true NFL positions regardless of when it was. If I could make him a DL for our league only, I would, but CBS just does not give us that ability.

255

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 18:48

Props to all for finishing the Draft!

The Dallas @ NYG game is next Wednesday! We usually finish in time for one Waiver Wire cycle, but we could go for 2 since the other games aren't until Sunday!

Big thanks to Judy & Ref for assembling the league and getting it done in record time (IMO) Thanks to those who helped move this along. That's why this is the best football league here!

My only question is to whom & where do I send the money for league dues & prizes. Viva Labor Day (except Peter N, he's probably working Monday).

256

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 19:04

Money issues will be decided. Judy (me) paid for both the league ($159.99 -- post 347 in 2011 thread) and draft time ($10). Not sure how to collect though. Have PayPal to payout stuff but do not know how to use it to collect $$.

Maybe I ask you to send to GURU and he sends me a check??? Or maybe someone explains to me how to accept $$$? Whichever is easier...

GURU??

257

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 22:03

Judy, get with stl cards. He has some funds to send you I think and can talk you through collecting, etc. Copy me on them.

258

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 30, 2012, 22:07

Can someone please post this draft in the standings forum for posterity?

259

slizz
ID: 49112211
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 15:25

I always liked doing draft recaps and adding thoughts to the draft. Its one of the things about the G24 league I enjoyed doing. So this year, I did a "running diary" of my picks...and what I liked/didn't like:

Draft analysis:

Pick 1.17 - Jonathan Baldwin, WR, KC: I planned to go WR all along here. I always try and get one guy I can identify as a potential keeper regardless of position for the 2013 season. So I will rank the players from 1-17 of who I see as the most valuable and viable keeper. Here is a snapshot of what my board looked like:

1) Andrew Luck
2) Robert Griffin III
3) Trent Richardson
4) Doug Martin
5) Alshon Jeffrey
6) Jonathan Baldwin
7) Patrick Peterson
8) Justin Blackmon
9) Kendall Wright
10) Brian Quick

I stopped at #10 as I knew no matter what, I would be able to land Brian Quick with the 17th pick of the draft. If you know me, you know I am a huge Chicago Bear fan, so some bias goes with ranking Alshon Jeffrey that high. That said, all reports on him have been positive. Profootballtalk has recognized how dominant of a camp he has had. The question about his ability to gain separation from cornerbacks was a non-issue. Peter King has gone out of his way to praise him in his MMQB column about how dominant of a pro he looks. So, when youngroman passed on Jeffrey, I thought he was going to be mine at 1.17! I’m thinking I will get a guy who will see single coverage across from Brandon Marshall and would be poised for a huge season now that he is 2 years removed from that knee injury. Needless to say, TD took him right in front of me and all I could do was laugh. So that led me to my next highest ranked player in Jonathan Baldwin. I won’t do all the analysis on him like I did on Alshon…but I’ll let Bleacher Report speak for me instead:

Jonathan Baldwin - 5 Reasons

That, combined with all the positive press he has received this training camp led me to rank him that high. Did I overvalue him? Maybe…but I think he offers up a guy with great keeper potential and someone who can help the Buffalo Bills now.

Pick 2.17 - Vick Ballard, RB, IND: I would categorize this as the “reach” of the draft to this point. My goal was to get a RB who could help me with points while I await Rashard Mendenhall and Jahvid Best’s return. My board came down to two players:

1) Vick Ballard
2) Bilal Powell

Vick Ballard was definitely more of a home-run type pick over a guy like Powell …to quote Peter King: “Vick Ballard, running back. The fifth-rounder from Mississippi State had played so well in training camp that he's gone from a player who would have had to make his major rookie mark on special teams to a contender for a big role in the running game. The new regime didn't draft Donald Brown, and thus isn't married to him, and the best runner will play the most…

And Michael Lombardi on Ballard: “The guy to watch is Vick Ballard. He really runs hard. Can come in & give them some power.” "Prototypical NFL runner in terms of breaking tackles, yards after contact," "He's a sleeper. I'm not a fantasy guy, but I would play him."

I felt Ballard offered up more upside than Powell who will be no more than a 3rd down back (albeit Powell will have consistent playing time). I figured that new regime will likely want “their” guys in there and my hope was that Ballard grows into that type of back with Andrew Luck.

Pick 3.17 - Trent Cole, DL, PHI: This is not a bad pick by any stretch, but if I had to do it over again, I would’ve taken Mark Barron, DB, TB instead. I was interviewing a victim at the time and had multiple emails about being on the clock. I knew I wasn’t going offense, so this pick came down to IDP (DL, DB) or DST (St. Louis, Minnesota, Tennessee). I didn’t feel picking a defense would be a good strategy this early on, so I opted to go with an IDP. So I just Googled “IDP Rankings” and found this website:

http://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/idp-cheatsheets.php

It had Trent Cole as the the #8 defender, so I just told Ref via Gmail Chat to pick him up for me.

Pick 4.17 - St. Louis Rams, DEF: To get the defense I had ranked #1 on my board in the 4th round justified not taking a defense in the third. You’re probably thinking: Why the hell would he rank perennial cellar-dweller St. Louis as his #1 defense?

The reason – I see talent on this squad and it has a relatively soft schedule.

-St. Louis has a new head coach who has proven to preside over solid defenses
-The Rams will feature 3 All-Pro caliber starters on the defense in Chris Long, Cortland Finnegan, and James Laurinaitis.
-Robert Quinn playing opposite Chris Long - he should be vastly improved in his second season and potentially have a pro-bowl season facing one offensive tackle a la Cliff Avril.
-Janoris Jenkins: Top five talent with baggage. If he can keep his head clean, they will have 5 pro-bowl caliber players on that defense.
-They drafted a defensive tackle (Michael Brockers) in the 1st round, who should help improve their run defense. If free-agent signee Kendall Langford can stay healthy and productive, they will feature 8 solid starters on that defense with Quintin Mikkel rounding out that group.

Pick 5.17 - Rolando McClain, LB, OAK: At this point, I just was filling out depth on the roster. I didn’t need any offensive players and McClain is a middle linebacker who should be productive and a “must own” in this league. While he might not be keeper quality, he offers depth on my roster and the coveted starting MLB spot. To be honest, I didn’t do much research on this pick an just saw him out there…

Pick 6.17 - Javier Arenas, CB, KC: He is the primary KR/PR for Kansas City and starting slot CB. He was on the field for plenty of snaps last season, figures to be on the field for plenty of snaps this season, and is excellent on special teams. He consistently delivers 8-10ppg and is a valuable fantasy IDP starter.

Pick 7.17 - Akeem Dent, LB, ATL: Dent was trapped behind Curtis Lofton last season, but he was the Falcons’ top special teams player. The 2011 third-round pick recorded 19 special-teams tack¬les and 16 Return Stops1, tying Heath Farwell of the Seahawks for the league lead. Special teams coach Keith Armstrong often singled Dent out as the hardest worker on his units. With nobody in front of him now that Tatupu is all but done as a NFL player, I’ll sit back and hope he develops.

Pick 8.17 - Blair Walsh, K, MIN: Kickers are so hard to predict. You could take the conservative route and get a guy like Gostkowski and get plenty of scoring opportunities or PAT’s, or take a guy like Walsh who will likely be in line for just as much FG attempts, but way way way less PAT’s. The pro’s: He’s kicking in a dome/perfect weather 10x minimum this year, and has that coveted week 11 bye. Hopefully he is solid from a fantasy perspective!

Pick 9.17 - Chandler Jones, DL, NE: This was someone I planned on taking in the fifth round, but felt it wasn’t necessary due to the fact I owned Trent Cole. He’s also another reason I wish I went Mark Barron in the third round instead of Trent Cole. The press on Jones is positive in all media outlets. Jones could immediately step into the "Elephant" role previously held by very productive fantasy players like Willie McGinest and Andre Carter.

Pick 10.17 - Braylon Edwards, WR, SEA: This is more of a hedge on Sidney Rice. Braylon Edwards has looked great all preseason for Seattle, is still only 29, and if/when Sidney Rice goes down, he will immediately ascend to the top of the depth chart.

Pick 11.17 - Zach Brown, LB, TEN: Brown was once a 1st round prospect. However questions surrounding his work ethic and attitude combined with a mediocre 2011 season caused him to sleep into the middle of the 2nd round. As of now, he is penciled ahead of Witherspoon. This pick is totally based on upside potential combined with a late bye.

Ironically, the worst pick in my draft is most likely Vick Ballard. The rest of the class should all amount to some type of value

Which picks did I like the best?

1.02 – Andrew Luck, QB, IND: To give up only Chris Johnson and the rights to Derrick Johnson in exchange for what could be the best QB of the next decade is about as shrewd as it gets.

1.10 – Coby Fleener, TE, IND: I tried my damnest to get Buffalo DST from Ref throwing package after package towards him that would have included Greg Olsen, Von Miller, Player & Picks, etc…Ref kept saying no, and I couldn’t fathom why given his keepers (or lack thereof). When he picked Fleener at 10, I then understood and felt better. Shrewd Ref now has locked up another franchise TE for the next decade or so…lol

1.13 – Patrick Peterson, DB, ARI: Shade gets what is the #1 free agent IDP in the draft…

1.14 - Russell Wilson, QB, SEA: YR is one of the savvier owners in G24...he proved it again by rightly taking a gamble on the starting Seattle QB. If Russell Wilson was 2 inches taller, he would've been in competition with Andrew Luck for the top pick. Love the guy and think he will break the mold and at least become an above average NFL starter.

1.16 – Alshon Jeffrey, WR, CHI: See Above

1.22 – Robert Turbin, RB, SEA: Just like the guy, totally versatile, and has top end speed. Reminds me a lot of Ben Tate

2.02 – Stephen Hill, WR, NYJ: For a team in need of talent, CT did quite well. He came out with RGIII and a potentially great WR. Stephen Hill is the man. His Playmaker score of 660 is better than that of any player drafted from 2005 through 2009. The prior leader was fellow Yellow Jacket Calvin John-son with 651. (Georgia Tech’s Demaryius Thomas, by the way, had a Playmaker Score of 520 when he was drafted in 2010. His receiving numbers were Barden-ian, but he ran a mediocre 4.5-sec 40 at the Combine, and did not attempt a vertical jump.) Still, Johnson was a big-play threat for a run-heavy Georgia Tech team who shined at the Combine (just like Hill), and now he’s one of the best wideouts in the league. That’s not saying he’ll be CJ, but he has the physical makeup of Calvin Johnson…just stash him on the roster and hope he blooms. He was a luxury I couldn’t afford as I can’t envision my squad holding him over to the following year. So far A+ for CT through the first two rounds.

2.10 – Brian Quick, WR, STL: Shrewd Ref is at it again getting a guy I had valued in the first who offers similar type potential to Hill. His closest comparison coming out of college is Terrell Owens…not bad company! While I don’t expect big things out of Quick this season, there is NOBODY blocking him on STL’s depth chart and he should develop into a 1,000 yard WR.

3.10 – Bilal Powell, RB, NYJ: The Buffalo Bills brass are big fans of the Colts draft. Ref got a guy I was targeting one round earlier in consecutive rounds. Powell is a sure double in the gap as far as RB’s go. He won’t get the HR stats, but he will get you solid production each week. I could even give a high mark for Ref’s pick of David in the next round.

3.13 – Ladarius Webb, DB, BAL*: If he returns punts instead of Jacoby Jones…excellent pick

3.23 – Doug Baldwin, WR, SEA: This is the guy who led Seattle receivers in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. He was the first player since the AFL-NFL merger to lead his team in receiving yards as an undrafted rookie. One should expect his numbers to be even better with more talent around him and an extra year of experience.

4.01 – Mark Barron, DB, TB: Judy hits a HR here…great pick and a guy who could be a keeper for years to come.

4.08 – Josh Gordon, WR, CLE: Big play potential WR…I can see him passing Greg Little in Cleveland for that #1 spot as Little is nothing more than Mushin Muhammad.

5.01 – Alfred Morris, RB, WSH: At this point in the draft you want guys who can offer weekly points and Judy might have gotten a steal given Mike Shanahan’s merry-go-round at RB.

6.11 – Pat Angerer, LB, IND: Yea he’s injured…but by all accounts he should be a top tackler in the Colt’s 3-4 scheme once he starts

11.24 – Ryan Mallett, QB, NE: Low risk pick for a guy who could be a potential keeper a la Matt Schaub. If he ends up getting traded…steal for Pete. If not, he just lost an 11th round pick. Wish I thought of that!

Sure there are other good picks like potential TD Vulture LeRon McClain, but after the 4th or 5th round its just getting guys you hope can produce…good luck to all!!!!

The least??

After the first two rounds, its almost impossible to dislike any pick because you're looking for depth. Only two picks really stand out to me as bad:

1.07 - Isaiah Pead, RB, STL: To take a backup running back who is nothing more than a complimentary player was rather head scratching. I hope for Promize's sake he does well...but I don't think this is a guy you want to take with a top 10 pick who will be one of your 9 mainstays. Also, add insult to the pick is that Pead isn't even the primary backup...it looks like rookie Daryl Richardson has that role.

1.12 - Ronnie Hillman, RB, DEN: Same as above. Hillman isn't a bad fantasy player...but he's not the type of guy who should be going in the "lottery". Complimentary players who are 3rd down specialists should be drafted 2nd round and on in this league. First round should be starters/keepers/vets you can milk for one last good season (i.e. Anquan Boldin-type players). I haven't even touched on the point that you needed a QB...and you passed on Russell Wilson for this guy!!!! Then for the next three rounds you spent picks on backup QB's when you could've locked up Wilson (which would've ended up being the right pick) and could have filled it with depth at that position like Bilal Powell, Alfred Morris, etc...all of which should be better than Hillman. If you could, please provide your reasoning...

::Scratching head...not necessarily disagreeing:: 1.23 - Lamar Miller, RB, MIA: Doug is one owner I totally respect. Every year he is competitive and always fields tough squads. I'm just curious to see why you took Miller...

I'm sure there were some "wow's" when London Fletcher went in the first, but I understand why. The guy is NEVER injured and is always among the league leaders in tackles. It was more of an indication that he's planning on a championship and must be comfortable with his 9.

260

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 15:30

I had 1.08 and wanted Pead, as a number of other managers did -- a lot of people would have been happy with what you consider a bad pick. I'll trade Kendall Wright for him right now.

261

Coach Building 7
ID: 87592712
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 15:48

When I picked at 1.11, Russell Wilson had not been named the starter yet, and was fixin' to start the next game to find out for sure. He did fantastic in that game, and was namef the starter. He could have done crappy, and gone back to the bench, and that still may happen. He has been a winner, though.

262

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 17:25

As i said in post 171, I was also surprised Pead went in the top 10. Maybe Slizz and I will be proven wrong, but I just read today that fellow rookie Daryl Richardson has the inside track on backing up SJAx, not Pead. Who knows?

261: I am shocked they paid Flynn all that money and then drafted Wilson. I wonder if that injury to Flynn hurt his chances, but he looked great last night. Last year, all I read was how great Flynn was and how he was another Aaron Rodgers and would be a stud for years to come when he left. Again, we shall see. I like RWilson, but still surprised at the turn of events. No...shocked.

264

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 18:03

Nothing like having one of your keepers cut -- Hightower, but I suspect he might catch on somewhere else, but not be particularly useful there. Good, actually great, thing I drafted Morris...

265

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 18:22

My draft...

I didn't have all the Keeper-quality guys that I should have. I had to keep some guys that I'd rather not have--but it is what it is. Had several trades to choose from and one that I spent a lot of time on that would have given me a starting RB and am now glad I didn't.

My goal was to do a mini-rebuild. One that should get some points now but more importantly to build up my Keepers.

1.10 10 Fleener, Coby TE IND
Need a TE to replace Gonzo and also serves as an extra flex guy this ssn if need be. This was the guy I was targeting from the get-go. I knew he'd go in the first, but didn't know exactly when. When Pead went at 7, I was pretty sure, Fleener would make it to me.

2.10 34 Quick, Brian WR STL
I was very surprised Quick was still there. I was thinking maybe Hillman would be there but he went at 1.12. I thought Quick was the best player available to fit my needs. He's the best WR on StL and going to get a lot of reps. Everyone loves his ability and his wingspan. He's on a bad team but has a nice QB. With SJax running more this ssn, hopefully that opens up the play action. This is a perfect pick for my overall strategy. Let's hope it works out.

3.10 58 Powell, Bilal RB NYJ
How in the world was this guy still available? I thought there was no way he'd make it back to me. I had to go RB here after I passed on one at 2.10 for Quick. I knew there was a chance he'd still be there but this league loves their backups and tend to draft them very high. Heck I had to keep one as did others. Anyhow, Powell is the 3rd down back and is set to take over as starter next ssn when Greene reportedly leaves. Prob not many points this ssn, but you never know.

4.10 82 David, Lavonte LB TAM
I was praying this guy would make it to me. Everything I read is great about this guy--well except that he's a rookie. Never know what a rookie will bring. He should end up in the middle and has a great history. Keeper-quality IDP in case Harrison doesn't return to form. I may have multiple IDP Keepers for next ssn--we shall see.

5.10 106 McCourty, Jason DB TEN
The last two picks were IDPs who were very low on CBS projected points. I was pretty sure I'd get him. I might have been able to wait--but who knows what other managers might do when it comes to IDPs. Tenn paid him and he did well when he was in there and will get his chance to shine. IDPs are sometimes a crapshoot, but at least I feel I got a really nice one--but nice doesn't always get you points. This one tends to do both.

7.10 154 Williams, Mario DL BUF
I Hate DLs. I usually take them toward the end and shuffle through the FA list for the hot hand. They are usually famine--though I happened to see this guy still there and thought he might have a few "feast" games. I was surprised he was still left based on other DLs who had gone. After not picking since the 5th round, I wanted to have an impact pick. My thinking was Williams avg over another DE should be higher than a LB/DB would score over a guy I'd miss by waiting another round. Could be a great pick.

8.10 178 Wagner, Bobby LB SEA
Another Rookie who has the MLB locked up. This could be an absolute steal. Really happy to get him here.

8.14 182 Goldson, Dashon DB S
We don't need no stinking Kicker! Justin Tucker was in my crosshairs, but I saw 9 kickers left that I liked and only 3 other teams needed their first K. Come to find out that some of those 9 Ks were actually already drafted--just not picked up in CBS. This really messed up my strategy. I can't believe people pick up Ks so early, but heck there were guys taking a 2nd K even. If I had known so many Ks weren't actually available I might have gone K here. I really like this pick, but the way guys were drafting, he might have been there for me next round. I had a list of 4 DBs here that I really liked and two of them didn't even get drafted. So waiting would have been fine. Really ticked about this. Let's hope this pick helps me forget quickly.

9.10 202 Zuerlein, Greg K STL
Looks like a really nice K but he's a rookie on a bad team. I think StL could be better this ssn though. This guy won the job quickly with a really strong leg and uncanny accuracy at a small college. Who knows? I liked the upside better than the established Ks even on better teams.

10.10 226 Logan, Stefan RB DET
Desperation pick here. Needed a RB and he was said to have had the best camp of anyone on the Lions. He's hurt but is a top return man. Figured if my other RBs weren't getting points at least this guy would get me soemthing. Hate that KO returns have almost gone away though.

11.10 250 Jenkins, Janoris DB STL
This could be another great pick. First round ability, but troubled past. Read he's been one of the best defenders in Rams camp and has already won a job. Figured that teams would throw at him because he's a rook and Finnigan was on the other side. Doesn't need to be great to score well in fantasy--but he could prove to be a great value as well. If not--it didn't cost me much.

Other draft picks who caught me by surprise was shade's pick of Peterson in the first round. If he's returning kicks and punts, he could have HUGE numbers because he's a nice corner as well. I thought RWilson went too high as a backup--but what did I know? I was surprised at how many backup QBs coyotes drafted. There were many more nice picks and surprises, but all in all, I thought it was a very good draft by many. THANKS!

266

youngroman
ID: 56523304
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 07:21

because 2 of you mentioned my Russell Wilson pick, here is a short view from my perspective:
at the time of my Russell Wilson pick at 1.14 it was pretty clear to me that he will be the starter. It was not the plan to pick him or any other QB there, but Seattle media already named him the starter and most of the time if that many independent news sources are reporting the same the information is true. a few hours after my pick he was officially named the starter, so my small gamble paid off. It now needs to be seen how well he develops. there are high expectations and I don't know if he can fulfill them in his 1st season.

267

slizz
ID: 49112211
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 09:14

Re: Pead - Not everyone has to have the same valuations as me. Maybe you and Promize saw something I didn't in Pead. I see nothing more than a third string, third down running back...on Stl!

That said, I would make the deal for Kendall Wright any day of the week in exchange for Pead. The NFL is a pass-first league and with teams devaluing the running back position so much, a guy like Wright has way more long-term value in this league than a guy like Pead. I don't believe in the guy and if he proves me wrong, i'll be the first to eat crow that will deservedly be thrown at me. Pead was the slowest back taken in the entire first three rounds, and at 5'10 194 that's not a good thing.

Speaking of speed...looking back and analyzing the runningbacks, Doug came out with the two fastest backs in the entire draft:

Bernard Pierce and Lamar Miller. Not to mention those two guys are bangers who can run in between the tackles. I don't know how they will develop, but my guess is Baltimore struck gold with Pierce...add him to the "picks I like".

RE: Wilson - "Buy the rumor. Sell the news." We all saw how outstanding Wilson has looked in the preseason and through two games Wilson was arguably the most impressive rookie. With two games under his belt by the time the G24 draft started, all signs were pointing to him becoming Seattle's starter. As YR said, he went with his gut and pulled the trigger with a small gamble.

That said, its only the preseason. I remember years back preseason star Rob Johnson parlayed a stellar preseason into a big contract from the Buffalo Bills that he did not live up to. Not saying he'll be as bad as Rob Johnson, but I think Wilson will end up being a solid pro.

268

Great One
ID: 450312813
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 09:53

Is Fleener even the best rookie TE on his own team?

269

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 09:56

2012 Traded Draft Picks:
11-16-10 Chargers gets Jets 9th round pick for their11th round pick (2010 deal for Kitna)
10-16 YR's Bengals get Ref's Colts 6th rounder for his 8th (Bills D)
10-23 YR's Bengals get Pete's Cowboys 7th rounder for his 9th (Boller)
10-29 YR's Bengals get StLCards 49ers 7th rounder for his10th (Feeley/Mare)
11-4 Toral's Saints get StLCards 49ers 6th for his 7th in 2012. (RamsD)
11-17 StLCards 49ers gets CCRider's Bears 1st & 6th round picks for his 8th & 11th round picks in 2012 (Palmer)
12-1 Nerfherder's Lions gets BMD's Texans 5th round for his 8th round pick in 2012 (Jaguars DST).
12-3 NY jets gets SD Chargers 3rd pick 2012, SD Chargers gets NY Jets 7th rd pick 2012
08-18 Chargers get Ravens 8.11 for 10.20 (Celek)
08-18 Cardinals get Broncos 2nd rounder for his 3rd (Kolb)
8-21 GO Jets get 1.02 + 11.01for Cardinals 2.03 (Chris Johnson)

271

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 10:02

268: Who knows. The Colts are hoping both TEs do well, but you don't even have to be the best to score the most points. With Fleener the starting TE (with some two TE sets thrown in) and the Stanford connection with Luck, I think he will score some points. The Colts love them some TE and with a young QB, they could be some nice outlets. The Colts line is suspect and the checkdowns could come frequently.

273

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 10:11

Interesting how people see Pead so differently. Chris Wesseling of Rotoworld recently moved him up to #5 on his dynasty rookie list after studying films of his senior year, calling him an explosive talent invoking comparisons to Jamall Charles and Chris Johnson. Not to say he's right and anybody else is wrong, but somehow people look at this guy and see opposite things.

274

Great One
ID: 36214199
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 11:03

Yeah and I guess our g24 experts don't like David Wilson but I would take him over any of these rookie WR's every time.

275

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 12:05

If we all had the same opinions, this game wouldn't be much fun. I love the varying opinions. The only time it bothers me is when people cast aspersions on trades w/o doing any research whatsoever.

Commish Ruling: Apparently this ssn CBS will allow commishs to edit roster positions. Not sure if this is a week by week thing or not, but YR drafted Mathis as a DL--as he was listed in CBS--then CBS changed his position after he had drafted. Therefore, I have changed Mathis' position to DL. YR might have to keep on me weekly if it reverts. It appears that if I don't hit cancel above his positions (commish can only see this) then it will stay, but who knows.

I found Waiver order (FINALLY!) and am in the process of editing it now.

276

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 12:12

Waiver order is updated. I can't tell you where to go to check the current order. It used to be on the add/drop page. I used post 55 Round 2 base order to set WW order. It gives me an error msg if I would put the same team twice so unless I flipped teams, it is probably right. My mouse is suddenly double clicking all the time so I could easily mess these dropdowns up. Please check it as once the waivers run, we might not be able to do much for you if it is wrong.

277

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 12:15

While searching, now that waivers are started I found the link to waiver order. Go to add drop. Next to add/drop there is a waiver rank you can click on. Remember, waiver order never resets.

278

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 14:27

Toral - You act as if I am insulting your brother talking about pead...relax, if he does well feel free to laugh at me.

GO, when did we talk about your boy Wilson?

279

Great One
ID: 36214199
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 14:49

We didn't.... he didnt crack theose top 10 rankings but hopefully in time he will prove to be worthy.

280

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 15:07

I appreciate that you consider me an expert, unless you were being sarcastic...

It was an oversight by me. I would have had him below Blackmon but above Wright.

If you couldn't tell already that I don't really proofread before I post.

281

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 21:28

Wow, not even a nibble on Locker. Guess football isn't like baseball where there are always 2-3 teams rebuilding. Guess I gotta pray he performs so his price goes up :)

282

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 00:24

bmd - id hold. Locker is a good qb. You made the right choice getting him at 13.

If I didn't have one, I would've inquired. Stand pat, you'll get an offer once someone goes down with an injury. Maybe it will be me :). Just take it easy if that is the case!!!

As I've said in earlier posts, you almost never get your value back in trading a qb if you already have one...just too hard to get owners to give up significant value for them.

283

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Sep 03, 2012, 10:31

281: It's tough because now everyone has drafted. I paid to get Schaub. QBs will go down and Locker will be needed. Problem is that with 24 teams, some managers want way more than they are worth. I've had deals where I felt like I was overpaying and that manager still wanted more and later on I was so thankful I didn't pull the trigger. Sometimes you have to take less just to make it worth it for your team. Sometimes you are willing to overpay for the same reason. This league has some very astute managers but in the end it's still about supply and demand within the framework of very few roster spots.

284

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Mon, Sep 03, 2012, 16:35

It's one of the reasons why I kept Skelton even though he is a marginal QB at best - in this league, especially at the QB, DST, and K positions, options are very limited.

285

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Sep 04, 2012, 10:33

I figured out how to update the league trophies for the last few years. So if you look on Pete's Dallas page he now has a couple of trophies at the top for his back to back championships.

286

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Sep 04, 2012, 18:16

#227

Seriously? I have the #1 waiver wire pick all season?

287

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Sep 04, 2012, 18:26

uh, make that #277

nice, if true...

288

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Sep 04, 2012, 18:35

Looking over the FA list, CBS has not changed the team designations of the guys who are not on NFL teams, for example, Donovan, LT...

What gives with that? What do we pay our money for?

289

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Sep 04, 2012, 23:37

287: You go to the back, it doesn't reset each week like some leagues do.

290

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 08:16

Two things:

One: CBS changed it's setup that would allow you to go up to 24
players because of the way we had WR RB and TE setup. I fixed this by
changing that to a Offensive Flex spot. Our rules haven't changed, but
now you will need to list your other two offensive players as flex
positions. If you fail to make this change, it will give you 0 points
on the week. First game is tonight so get that fixed right away if you
have anyone playing tonight. Email myself judy and GO for assistance.
I didn't realize this had been changed until I saw DS was able to pick
up 5 players today. In the past it would have stopped him at 20, but
it overrode our roster max. DS please cut those extra players
immediately.

Two: Coyotes informs me that he still isn't able to pick up FAs. I
have a trouble ticket into CBS. You should be able to pick them up
after waivers have run. I can't verify this as I can pick them up with
commish privs. However, typically there is more activity than what
we've seen to this point. Will let everyone know when that is fixed.

291

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 09:08

https://cbssportsfantasy.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1594/kw/free%20agents

This indicates that FAs might open up at 9am ET after waivers first run for the week, but Coyotes still has no luck. Help has not responded.

292

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 09:24

Slizz says he is able to pick up a FA just fine, so you may pick up FAs at will. MAKE SURE YOU ARE LOGGED IN to CBS.

If there is any problem, contact us or if we can't figure it out, please submit a help ticket to CBS via their help dropdown and menus.

293

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 09:30

Slizz should pass on his tip on how to do a pickup, because when I go to the Add/Drop page, or try to pick up from the Free Agent page, I still get a message "Your Commissioner has disabled your Add/Drops".

294

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 09:36

When Slizz could add and coyotes couldn't, I suddenly remembered that
we restricted non playoff Adds again last ssn. CBS has moved this so
it is not in the same spot with the rest of the team permissions. I
went through the help boxes and found it and unchecked those boxes and
now we are all set. Pick up FAs at will. It was not a CBS issue but a
commish issue and I apologize. There are so many settings to go
through and they are all over the place. Not intuitive, but it is
fixed nonetheless.

295

Frick
ID: 14082314
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 09:48

Thank you for the time and effort to figure it out and get it fixed Ref.

Don't forget to set line-ups in your other leagues and good luck to everyone except Deepsnapper and Promize (you can win your other games.)

296

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 11:03

293: It is fixed.
295: Your Welcome. What a time suck! Wish I had found that before.
291: I don't think this applies to our league because we have a waivers process. I think this is CBS' answer to those sites that allow FA pickups at any time and have a race to the computer during games. However, if waivers run next week and you can't pick up a FA before 9AM ET--it means this would apply to us as well. Again, I don't see that happening.

I also emailed DS privately telling him that if he is unable to drop those extra players rather quickly, I am going to remove his last TEs added based on the order listed in CBS. Not only is there a game today, but news could happen on one of them that could change things. Fortunately, none of the TEs he picked up play today.

297

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 11:04

Ugh You are Welcome (not your). I hate when I can't write in correct English.

298

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 11:43

Chris Cooley admitted last season that not even he, as a Redskins player, had a solid grasp on which running back would be starting on a week-by-week basis.
Cooley recalled an experience early last November, when the Redskins were about to play the 49ers. "I walked up to (Ryan) Torain in the locker room and said, ‘Dude, you’re starting on my fantasy team this week. And I’m hoping for a big week. I’m playing my wife," Cooley said. "And he’s like, ‘Oh, cool man. Yeah, I’ll see what I can do." Roy Helu started and totaled 141 yards on 24 touches. "I’m in the locker room and I don’t know who’s starting," Cooley said. "So, it’s kind of a mixup and I’m not exactly sure what we’re doing or who’s going in."

299

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 11:54

Per Peter King: "I think if I had to guess who starts opening day for the Redskins at running back, I'm looking at Mike Shanahan's Olandis Gary-ian history, and I see him playing sixth-round rookie Alfred Morris for nearly the entire first half of the third preseason game, and I see Morris rush for 7.6 yards a carry in the game, and I say: I'd probably go with Morris."

What a pick by Judy if that is the case!

300

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 13:15

I have dropped the extra 4 TEs form DS' roster. According to CBS, Meyers was the first one claimed so he was kept on his roster. I know that other managers were interested in TEs so they will be on waivers until Friday morning.

301

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 13:35

Thanks Slizz -- I saw the memo late at night and hoped no one would see it before my turn...

The problem, though, is shanny -- he cannot be trusted, but I think both the other guys are banged up a bit, except that helu had a good game 4. He'll yank a guy after 2 or 3 bad carries too and sit him the rest of he game...

I am going with bush and cj2k this week unless I am certain that Morris might start.

Unless I change my mind...ugh..

302

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 14:09

These lineups are illegal as of 2:09 EDT due to the new Flex RB/WR/TE position:

JAX
BALT
TEX
KC
CAR

We commishes can fix them but it is better if you do it yourself!

303

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 14:16

We have been fixing lineups in case people just cant get to their teams.

304

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 14:21

All lineups are fixed with regard to the flex position.

Let the games begin!

305

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 16:45

Judy - its a good problem to have.

306

Great One
ID: 512531316
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 18:26

Luck vs. RGIII + Luck vs. R.Wilson in my Week 1 showdowns... isn't that funny!

307

Pete N.
ID: 567212119
Wed, Sep 05, 2012, 23:53

Hello Kevin Ogletree!

308

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 00:03

In AAA, I have both Luck and RGIII!! Going with RGIII this week. Silly draft, but why not!

309

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 15:06

Talk about a great FA pickup, Pete.

Time will tell if he is more Laurent Robinson or Frisman Jackson.

310

Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Sep 07, 2012, 10:10

Waiver Order Location.... right on your My Team page to the right of your record has Add/Drops/Trades/WaiverPriority

311

Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Sep 07, 2012, 10:18

Anyone want to write a summary of last years championship for the homepage? I'm sick of seeing how I lost 2 years ago! :0

312

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Sep 07, 2012, 15:16

Speaking of losing, my wife keeps trying to get the DVR to search for The Biggest Loser and the University of Michigan football keeps coming up.

313

Building 7
ID: 87592712
Fri, Sep 07, 2012, 15:54

That would make sense.

314

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Sun, Sep 09, 2012, 11:30

My favorite day of the year is finally here!!! The one day of the year I can be a total slug and watch redzone without complaints from the wife...

Sneaky good idp pickup by GO...the g24 expert approves!

315

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Sep 09, 2012, 14:23

Maybe... or it might amount to absolutely nothing.

This Sanchez guy don't look half bad. I may have a backup QB on the trading block myself after Luck's bye.

316

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 09, 2012, 18:46

And I did not start Morris...in any of my leagues...

Sigh...

317

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Sep 09, 2012, 19:07

My Colts team is going to be worse than the real Colts team.

318

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sun, Sep 09, 2012, 23:20

Ugh, now I remember why I hate having 2 DST. It's inevitable that you always start the one that scores less than the one that has a terrible matchup. Pretty terrible week for my team.

319

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Mon, Sep 10, 2012, 01:21

I see my luck with Points Against is continuing this season.

320

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Sep 10, 2012, 06:52

I most likely cost myself a win and will split this week by going with Akeem Dent over McClain at LB.

Brandon Weeden looks like the worst qb, ever. He looks beyond God awful. As a bears fan who had to watch Caleb Haine muck up a playoff spot, I pity your fanbase. Seriously, if they put Colt McCoy in for the 4th quarter, the browns would have won. McCoy isn't great but he's not Brandon Weeden awful.

I was flat out wrong about Jonathan Baldwin...not a single look.

Stephen Hill looks to.be a contributor early on for the jets...something I didn't expect this year.

It's week 1 so I'm not gonna get too high or low on players until they establish a trend...

321

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Sep 10, 2012, 08:01

...also how about Brandon Marshall?!?!?!

If week 1 is any indication, I think he could conceivably challenge the single greatest season by a wide receiver. For those who watched the game, Cutler throws it to him regardless of the coverage. Triple coverage? No problem. Brandon here you go.

322

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Sep 10, 2012, 12:48

Marshall won't be facing the Colts every game. Colts D looked great early, but their lines are so bad it isn't even funny. Easy to get open when they didn't put pressure on the QB after the first qtr it seemed.

323

Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Sep 10, 2012, 12:51

I am looking to trade a pick for an LB if anyone has extra IDP depth.

324

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Tue, Sep 11, 2012, 16:01

Ref - totally understandable but Marshall had 19 targets per Mike and Mike. On targets alone he will easily lead the league. And if he is getting at least 9rec/week, he will make his owner very happy

Looking back and reflecting on my draft, outside of coyotes, I had the worst combo of picks through the first three rounds:

1) Baldwin didn't get any targets...if he ends up being the 4th or 5th option behind Bowe, Charles, McCluster, Moeaki...I'm in trouble. Damn you for taking Alshon!!!

2) Ballard...should've went Pierce or Powell, who is the most physically gifted and talented of the backs. I got suckered by positive press and reached. Maybe long term this pans out, but I need a bird in hand while I await the returns of Mendenhall and Best.

3) Trent Cole - I planned on taking Chandler Jones all along as my de, just got pressured by time. Not that Cole is a bad pick, just could've used help elsewhere knowing I could've got Jones later (planned to take him in the 5th or 6th pre draft.)

325

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:05

There must be something wrong. No transactions this week? Is my account messed up or something?

326

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:08

Wiat, waivers are showing Thursday!!! It is supposed to be Wednesday. I didn't touch ANY settings. Not sure what is going on. Checking now...

327

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:11

Why is the waivers process not working properly?
Answer ID 4016 | Published 09/12/2012 01:37 AM | Updated 09/12/2012 01:40 AM
Thank you for contacting us.

We are aware that tonight's waiver run has not processed correctly, allowing teams to prematurely claim potential free agents by add/drop prior to the waivers processing. Currently, our programmers are working to correct this issue. We appreciate your patience while this matter is being resolved.

328

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:13

I think it'll still be ok, just a day behind if they don't push it through today.

329

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:18

Yes, it appears they reversed everything by resetting until before waivers and moved waivers to run tomorrow morning instead. You'd think they'd have put a note on all of our pages but oh well.

330

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:34

I'm not real happy about changes CBS has made to the site this year. And I know the commishes can't be.

CBS needs to get their act together if they expect people to continue to pay for this CF.

331

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:46

I hope we can find another site next season. I just don't know if it will have as nice as features we need for this 24 team league. But will definitely be looking.

332

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 12:50

There is now a note when you try to do something.

Waivers Didn't Run
From: CBSSports.com Fantasy Support Team
Date: Wed Sep 12 12:39:16 2012
We apologize for the inconveniences caused by the failure of our waiver process to engage. In order to correct this issue, we have restored the rosters and reset the waiver process to run tonight (roughly 2am ET Thursday) permitting owners in your league to resubmit their waiver claims properly.

I forgot I need to go through and check on -rushing yards that only CBS doesn't properly process themselves.

333

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 13:06

Between 1 AM and 1:30 AM three transactions were processed. The first two of them were listed not as waiver pickups but just as Add/Drops. the third was listed as a waiver pickup. It was not possible to make waiver pickups after this run of transactions.

334

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 13:12

I liked the old CBS site. Now it seems like all they want to do is sell you more crap in the form of their apps.

I just sent them a not so nice email to their feedback section.

335

youngroman
ID: 56523304
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 13:15

no problem with waivers running tomorrow. I did not plan to claim someone, but changed my mind and put in 1 claim a minute ago. reading the message from CBS it sounds that existing claims were not restored, so all of you better verify that your claims are still there.

I am not sure but I think MFL does allow our league settings too. what is most unique about G24? 24 teams? 6 divisions with 4 teams? D + IDP? all this is seems to be possible in MFL.

336

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 13:23

It blows my mind that CBS charges you for what is an inferior product to those put out by ESPN, Yahoo etc for free.

337

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 13:25

And I agree with MJD - what the heck are all these stupid apps etc. that they are trying to get you buy?

338

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Wed, Sep 12, 2012, 15:52

Co sign.

Does anybody know if yahoo can do doubleheaders??

339

Promize
ID: 447211612
Thu, Sep 13, 2012, 10:33

I believe the answer is no. I think we tried last year.

340

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Sep 15, 2012, 16:09

Something is not right with FA pickups. I went to look at a guy dropped on 9-15 and he is on waivers until 9-19 , which is NEXT WEDS?

HUH??

341

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 12:50

That is accurate. You drop now and he goes into the pool with all the people who freeze and unlock with everyone on Wed morning. Only if he would clear waivers before this morning would he avoid that.

342

Frick
ID: 157331422
Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 13:53

Was it a Bears or Packers player? That would seem correct to me, since they played on Thursday. If it wasn't, not sure.

343

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 19:51

How long is the hold?? 24 or 48 hours?? Team had not yet played...

344

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 21:48

If a guy was dropped on Saturday and therefore isn't going to process, clear waivers and become a free agent again before Sunday at 1 PM (he wouldn't) -- then he gets thrown in the pool with all other locked free agents who are processed Wednesday morning.

Otherwise if it were a normal 2 days - he'd unlock when - on Monday morning? and that doesn't work. Can't have people unlocking mid-week when everyone is supposed to be locked up.

345

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 22:34

Ok...
Bummer...

346

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 09:08

Man...my teams hasnt laid a dud that bad since I came into the league.

That said, I'm still simmering over the week 1 close loss bc of dent. Losses like them could be the difference bw playoffs and outside looking in.

347

Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 09:16

A couple Ryan-Roddy connections tonight and you can still win... some duds from Charles and Andre, just brutal. And my injury luck continues with Hernandez.

348

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 09:22

Well I don't see myself catching you...but I hope to salvage a split.

349

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 12:51

Aren't I super glad I traded away my first round pick to GO for c johnson, formerly CJ2k, currently CJ100 ydmaybe...

350

Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 13:04

He'll be fine, he's too talented to just forget how to play.

351

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 18:12

Want him back???

352

Great One
ID: 512531316
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 18:26

I have some interest.

353

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 20:40

Shoot me an email...

354

PromizeCell
ID: 57571713
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 22:20

Btw, was there a payment email sent out? If so I might of missed it.

355

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Tue, Sep 18, 2012, 12:07

That mad, Judy??

356

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Sep 18, 2012, 17:31

I really dislike it when guys hold out, get their $$$ and then stink up the joint...

must be a guy thing.. don't see the girls tanking...

357

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 11:00

So what happened in last years G24 Super Bowl? We need a new writeup...

358

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 13:16

What happened to that ticker they had at the top of the page running game preview scores, players most added and dropped, etc.... did they have to drop that to have more room to plug their apps?

359

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 11:44

Working on a "white paper" as to why we should drop the DST position. Should have it ready by Saturday!
Was told I needed to suggest this early for 2013 and I think this is early!!

360

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 06:58

All hail Ramses The Great!

361

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 08:26

Makes me wonder if Hakeem Nicks is an elite talent or just a system player...well find out come contract renegotiation time.

Same thing with all the Giants WRs now...take Steve Smith out, UFA Cruz blows up. Nicks goes down, "Ramses the great", Martellus Bennett as a #1 TE...etc.

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Judy: Chris Johnson

-for-

Slizz: Marques Colston, Trent Cole

Judy please confirm.

362

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 12:27

Still working out money stuff with my pay pal account -- haven't had time to log in... Will do soonest, but probably not today -- don't have PW here...

363

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 12:28

Confirm trade!

364

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 17:32

361: I just got this trade. At first glance it looks off so I just need to do some research first before making a decision. Remember, in this league if something would happen and I reject, it can go to the league to vote it to override. I am not saying I will reject and will do my due diligence as quickly as possible.

365

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 20:39

What is the objection? Please elaborate!

366

Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 20:45

Here's a piece of background information:

From ESPN's Eric Karabell's rest-of-season rankings:

43 Marques Colston NO WR15 KC, @GB, SD 46
44 Jamaal Charles KC RB18 @NO, SD, Bal 24
45 Chris Johnson Ten RB19 Det, @Hou, @Min 14

367

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 21:16

Look at the respective rosters as well for a more rounded view...it is not always about the rankings...

368

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 21:57

Guys I messed up and instead of voting in a poll I somehow approved the trade as commish.

Hopefully ref can fix and you guys can weigh in with your votes. Sorry.

369

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 22:26

Ok here is my rationale:

Ref asked me to post it:

Slizz's current RB are started in 0,0,1,1% of the time. He needs an RB. I have Morris, r bush and the newly crowned a brown (NYG). I do not have a need for another RB. CJ has been underperforming, but who knows what will develop? I do not think he has fallen off a cliff, but I know that I do not need him now and I hope that statement has not jinxed all my RB!

He offered Colston and another guy whom I did not need/want. I looked over his roster and selected a guy he did not want to give up so we settled on T Cole instead in addition to Colston who has a bum foot and NOLA stinks right now.

I am interested in any reflections on this matter!

370

Great One
ID: 450312813
Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 08:47

I'd personally rather have Chris Johnson than Colston, but I struggle with valuing IDP's so I don't know how much of a difference Cole makes. To me RB's are always the most valuable.

371

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 10:06

370: GO and I are on the same page. First Judy trades the overall #2 pick of the draft for him (which turns out to be Luck) then flips for an oft-injured Colston. While Johnson hasn't done a lot thus far this ssn, neither has Colston. To make matters worse, Slizz offers Von Miller--a possible difference maker--and she refuses him but then takes Cole. I don't usually value DL guys much unless he gets a high number of sacks. With that said, trades aren't required to be even or even close to be acceptable. I have rejected one trade ever and this won't be one of them.

Judy, I asked you to email me your rationale as the commishes approve trades in this league. The only way a vote would happen if a rejected trade is appealed and then you are looking at a super-majority to have it overturned.

372

Judy
ID: 28523116
Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 11:18

I asked for von miller first. But he did not want to give him up and suggested cole and I agreed. Prefer miller to cold.

Nb. Trade was a bad idea on My part and I have since acquired both Morris and brown. Cj will sit on my bench.

Sent from iPhone -- out til 4 or so

373

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 15:41

Toral - where does karabell have your boy Pead ranked??? ;)

As for the trade, I thought my initial offer was better from an overall value standpoint...but Judy didn't want another rb to rot on her bench and countered with an IDP.

Colston is consistent and gives her stability at the position...especially with Brees slinging the rock. If healthy, he is a solid option week in and week out.

Let the trade play itself out before rushing judgment. I got killed for my trade with ref in G20...but I think I'll end up on the better end of it.

People were quick to jump on me for my thoughts on Pead...but three weeks in its looking pretty spot on.

374

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 16:02

Slizz and I are good to go -- let the games decide!!

375

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 16:37

Yeah, and you were right about Marshall being a target machine as well. We saw that last week.

Actually if I had Pead I wouldn't care what he did this year. He's not going to start until Jackson's gone anyway.

I put up the rankings, as should be obvious, just to make the point that a trade for two players ranked that closely couldn't be vetoable.

376

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 17:13

I'm breaking your balls Toral...you sensitive Canadian you :)

Marshall is going to be that target...you just have to trust me. Cutler spent the entire game on his back. It will be business at usual next week.

377

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 16:46

What is the STY abbreviation in the DST box???

Safety??

378

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 17:48

Truly there is nothing worse than watching your total score go backwards as the DST struggles again. Seriously, what fun is that?

"white paper " on dropping DST for 2013 coming soon to your mailbox!

379

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 19:12

One Q left and my DST sits at 0.5...really negates the good jobs the rest of my team did...

Anybody else in a similar boat??

380

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 23:29

As promised:

This “white paper” is an analysis of the DST position through the first two weekends of play for 2012. The purpose of this presentation is for the league members to consider the elimination of the DST position for 2013.

DATA:

(Teams are actual NFL teams, not G24 ones. The numbers are 2nd week/1st week)
The order is highest to lowest for week 2:

Focus on the disparities between weeks, the negative numbers posted by many teams (10 over two weeks), the low scoring by most teams on a per week basis.

Packers 28 / 6 (nb. 28 included 4 INT, 7 SK, 168 YA, 10 PA)
Seattle 24.5 / 7
Bills 19.5 / -6
Texas 18.5 / 21.5
Steelers 16 / 1
SD 14 / 15
AZ 11 / 16
Falcons 11 / 8 (11 was 3 INT, 3 SK, 1 DFR, 1FF)
Bears 9 / 19.5
Skins 8.5 / 2.5
Miami 8 / 5
NEP 7.5 / 19.5
Ravens 7 / 21
Colts 7 / 3
Bengals 7 / -6
Carolina 7 / 8
49ers 6.5 / 5
Eagles 6 / 17
Rams 4.5 / 10
Cle 4 /19.5
Lions 4 / 5
TB 3.5 / 20
NYG 3 / 2
Vikes 2.5 /5.5
Jets 2 / 8
Dallas 1 / 10
Denver 0.5 / 15.5
Titans -0.5 / -3.5
NO -2.5 / 3.5
Jax -2.5 / -0.5
KC -4 / -5
Oak -4.5 / -2.5

So after two weeks, we have DST TOTALS with:

3 teams above 30 (40, 34, 31.50)
10 teams between 20 and 29
10 teams between 19 and 10.50
5 teams between 10 and 1 (2 @ 1)
4 teams in the negative (-0.50, -2.5, -3.5, -9.0)

For a required position over these two weeks, the range is mighty wide. (40 to -9.0).

There are 32 NFL DST and 24 in G24. So everyone either:

is stuck with a bye week zero (which might be better for some teams..);
has used up a roster spot to hold a second DST;
has to make a low level trade to cover a bye week;
has to consider using a keeper spot at draft time on a DST to be sure to have a decent one;
can be stuck with a lousy DST for an entire season with no hope of a change.

I propose that the UNPREDICTABILITY of the DST position is out of whack with all other positions. The change to increased NFL offense in terms of PA and YA has lead to crummy scores even if a team has Sk, INT, FR, FF, etc.

A manager can have a really nice team effort from his/her 12 individual players and either get screwed or become a winner with an out of norm and unpredictable DST performance. That is ABSOLUTELY NO FUN!

Is that what we want?

We dropped the DST in RIFC and have 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB and 1 flex and it works GREAT!! There are also so many more options for adding and dropping the IDP players and that provides for more roster movement and excitement.

Being “stuck” with a DST whether you like them or not is no fun. There is no managerial power there. Almost everywhere else, (except the K -- but the range there is not as great -- 34 to 9, all positives), you can make some roster choices.

You can make choices with the other 12 positions/players throughout the season, both with roster changes and with drop/add, waiver requests. You can’t really change your DST, except to cover your bye week if you can.

Each week, most managers watch as their team score goes down as the other team scores against their defense. There is absolutely no joy in that.

One position should not destroy the efforts of the other 12 players. The inflexibility of the DST options creates a league wide imbalance that could be considered “unfair” to the majority of managers. Look again at the scores for weeks 1 and 2.

I would like to propose that we drop the DST position for 2013 and add a third flex IDP position.

This would give us:
a balance of 6 offensive players, 6 IDP’s and the K;
a reasonable chance to predict outcomes of the individual players…;
more legitimacy to the scoring of the rest of the 12 lineup players;
more options for creating a weekly lineup through benching, drop/adds and waivers.

Any thoughts?

Now is the time to speak up and act!

Thanks.

Judy

381

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 23:31

I love having a Team D. And I think the scoring of it in this league with the yards and everything is my favorite of any league.

382

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 08:02

This is weird:

Of the 8 (so far) high DST score this week (15.5 and up), 4 were on the bench. (22, 19.5, 19, and 15.5).
19 scores were under 5 -- only one of those was benched!

By the way no harm, no foul.

Just interested in other's opinions...

383

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 10:51

I don't like the dst in this league given how in depth our idp positions are. it's stupid. We, as a league, focus so much on a deep idp roster, yet still have a team dst which doubles stats such as sacks, ints, etc. It's just as arbitrary as having a team offense (which we don't have).

If we seriously consider adding a team offense, keeping the team d would make sense to me. we would be able to replicate what we have in defense (yardage, TDs, FGs). So someone like me can have the Falcons OST and Rams DST. That way when Matt Ryan throws a TD to Roddy White I can get the bonus of OST yardage and another six points!!!!

Now, I'm just being sarcastic to make a point.

Team defense, IMO, is there because the casual fantasy football players can just focus on those who move the ball and are identified on sports center, etc. not those who make tackles, defend passes, and do the little things that don't show up in the highlights sans a pick six or fumble recovery...

The biggest roadblock is going to be getting those who invested keeper slots in dsts which have helped carry their squads (jets, ravens, steelers, bears, etc.). If I am in their shoes it's a question of why should I agree to such a rule??

Owners like GO (Jets DST) have zero incentive to do this. It hurts his team as he loses a keeper whose defense is a consensus top 3 every year under Rex.

I'd rather give owners the option of a team d or idp flex play and scale the dst back to just include yardage so there is no double dipping.

*Excuse typos...typed on the droid.

384

Great One
ID: 477512212
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 11:39

Where do I get double points from my defense? I am missing that.

385

Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 12:25

GO: Slizz is referring to the fact that an idp on your team who is also a member of your D/ST will have their stats credited twice: Once as an idp and another as a member of your D/ST.

386

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 12:30

We award individual statistics for idp players.

When they get a sack, ff, safety, int, etc. the dst they play for gets awarded those points as well.

Ex: Darelle Revis Pick Six (will have to wait until 2013 for that): Revis IDP gets pass defense, int, and TD. The DST is awarded those points as well.

It's the only position on our rosters where double points can be awarded. We don't have it for offense, why should we have it for defense?? Tradition??

If we do the same for offense ill drop my argument.

387

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 12:35

Mark Sanchez pass to Santonio Holmes.

Both receive points for yardage and TDs.

Done.

388

Great One
ID: 477512212
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 13:04

But its also not some kind of guarantee that I'm going to have a bunch of IDP's from the same team. I would in fact say its not very common. And all that would be is a strategic risk... cause while I could get double points for something -- if they do nothing its 2x nothing. So who cares. Let the manager have that strategy decision.

I don't really see much analysis or strategy with the IDP guys cause they are impossible to rank or predict with consistency. I'd personally rather get rid of them instead of guess on whether my LB will have 3 tackles or 6 tackles. There is no -- oh this guy is playing Cleveland this week, I better start him because they'll probably run up the middle over and over again... who knows. But you can strategize and predict with a Team D vs. an opposing offense.

And its not like IDP is an accurate way to indicate good defensive players either. Some of the best players i.e. Revis are worthless in IDP.

389

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 19:42

Good points on both sides. Volatility of DST is an issue, as is lack of predictability of IDP's from game to game. I tend to like it the way it is for now, however it is possible we could tweak the scoring for DST's in order to remove some of that volatility. One thing I have always had a problem with, with DST's, is that the best defense (points, yards allowed) isn't always the best DST. The best DST is who has the most sacks, turnovers, and TD's. If we could mitigate the points for in those situations, and maximize rewarding DST for allowing a relatively low number of yards and points allowed, then we might have something.

390

Great One
ID: 512531316
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 21:11

Good point about the points... cause a good "real" defense much like Revis isn't necessarily a high scoring fantasy defense. This is why they say to never waste a high draft pick on a defense cause you can't really predict turnovers or defensive TD's.

391

Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 22:20

I have zero interest in removing the D/ST teams position. There's not a fair compensation, in my opinion, to remove it given this is a keeper league. D/ST has been with the league since its inception. If you don't like your D/ST, work to find a better one.

392

Frick
ID: 14082314
Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 08:57

I can agree with tweaking the scoring of DST, but not with removing them.

The scoring could be tweaked to lessen the impact of negative scores. There is a correlation between yards given up and scores, why penalize a team for both. I disagree with with the value of DST is sacks and turnovers, provided we are talking about real football, not fantasy. The most valuable DST is the one that doesn't give up any points, but more valuable is the one that scores points. Having 10 sacks in a game is great, but not if you also give up 50 points.

One of the things I like about this league is how it makes every position valuable. In normal leagues a few DST and Ks get drafted before the last round, but plenty of owners leave the draft with neither. There isn't little value. In our league there is value, as you have to have one and waiting to long comes with a potential large negative. It also helps promote trades as we don't have enough DST and Ks to cover byes. Those trades aren't usually huge, but they help create a motive for talking trades.

393

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 09:43

I agree with Frick.

394

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 14:09

Whoa peter n. hopefully there won't be any scoring changes to our game...
Judy

395

Slizz
ID: 49112211
Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 14:38

Frick, thank you for the pragmatic view of the situation...

My point was to mainly illustrate the overlaps in scoring that result from the DST category. I don't like the fact that it is the only category where it is rewarded twice...especially with how in depth our IDP scoring is.

I would absolutely be for a DST scoring system which allows the IDPs to collect the individual statistics and the defense to focus more on yards/points against.

As far as eliminating it, I don't see it as a feasible option given how so many teams have kept DST's and have relied on them throughout the years.

I do agree with giving an option of flexing a DST with IDP player. It sucks for the team that is stuck with (insert token crappy team - Cleveland Browns DST) when they have to go up against New England or a team that will likely blow them out. They're forced to get negative points just to have a valid lineup.

396

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 16:24

I was crunching some numbers and it seems to me that there is room for tweaking the yards and points allowed scoring for DST's. Last year the 49ers had the lowest allowed points against and scored 100 fantasy points from that, which seems to me right on the mark. They allowed roughly 14 PPG. The median PPG allowed last year was 22 PPG, which would score exactly 0 points for a season. The worst team allowed 31 PPG, and received -45 fantasy points.

As for yards allowed, the points gained from it are so minimal as to not even need it. The best team in yards allowed, the Steelers, allowed 282 yards per game on average, which would net them a whopping 8 points for a season. The median Yards allowed per game value last year was 348 yards. That would give a team zero points.

I would propose to raise the points allowed thresholds 1 level from the 21-24, so that it receives 1 point, the next 0, and so on, removing the -10.

I would significantly raise the points given for yards allowed, and also tweak the rates a bit higher as well. Perhaps double the points on the plus side, and put the 0 value on 350-399.

On the flip side, I would give one point for all takeaways and sacks, eliminate blocks, and safeties would be 2 points. TD's would remain the same.

397

Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 20:43

I noticed that as well Judy! Congrats on the close win. I'd rather get blown out over losing by .22 points.

398

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 07:37

Good grief -- I wasted a waiver pick on a back up kicker. I was messing with the drop adds and totally forgot it was a waiver day. Just did it because...well basically there is not much out there available -- all the mentionables are on our rosters already!!

Good grief.

Anyhow I think my team has either tied or surpassed the win total for last season...hmmmm. Hope I didn't just jinx myself.

Peter n. -- you almost won because of your DST -- 23.5 to 3!! I would rather have an IDP in there!

399

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 09:55

Everyone needs to remember that this is a KEEPER League. In order to REMOVE a potentially impact position from someone, I think we'd need to give compensation like adding an extra pick in every round based on where their D ranked or will rank or the avg of that. I don't know but it would be tough to do.

History: When we started, we didn't have yards allowed. There were several who wanted it added. Doug might have had a proposal. We wanted it to have a little bit of impact but not a lot. We took the avg. of all teams from the previous 3 years and it was at like 298 yds or something like that. We rounded it to 300 and then made that the center point and put yards on either side so if your team was avg it wouldn't get or lose any points--then adjusted from there. The league voted to implement it.

Since then, there have been proposals on D, including forcing you to keep a D (within your keepers or even adding a keeper which must be a D, to make it so you only lose points when directly scored against, to eliminate STs aspect of it, to alter the scoring aspects of it and they all failed except I think we tweaked maybe safeties or something--I can't remember.

The concept of these leagues are for you to have to go very deep. Not only with the number of teams but the amount of players we actually use. We have tried to make it very appealing to trade and make WW/FA transactions. We do not want someone who is having a bad season to lose interest as we have made it so he/she can play for next season through FA acquisitions as possible keepers or trading for those types of players or draft picks. We also want everyone to do their best each week so it is fair for those competing with the top teams who have to play those teams who are out of it. We have seen many o' upsets.

With that in mind, I still see a lot of usable players on the FA wire. I really think we can add another flex IDP w/o any issue whatsoever. I just don't think we can give up the DST for it. There is a strategy in DSTs. Huge risk/reward. I am not saying it is perfect, but my more recent proposals on them have been soundly defeated. I think we are always up for ideas on how to improve things. I mean I'd like to eliminate the RB position because I don't have one really but that's not going to happen. :)

400

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 10:49

From ref:
With that in mind, I still see a lot of usable players on the FA wire.

True, but there is ONE available DST's: OAK with a season total of -2.5. Who would want them -- even for a bye week?

I would love to use a Flex IDP instead of these losers. You would have to have a DST on your roster, but you would not be required to use them...

402

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 15:28

Here are my thoughts on the D/ST White Paper:

1. The volatility (as the WP says, "unpredictability") of D/ST scores is, in an HtH league, an argument FOR KEEPING the D/ST, not for abolishing it. If D/ST scores just sat there every week like a slug, not moving, that would be an argument for getting rid of the position. Volatile positions are GOOD for a HtH league.

As a side note, it was asserted that DSTs were more unpredictable than other positions. I don't believe that, and no evidence was given.

2. The problem of negative scores is an illusion. In a HtH league, in a game, it doesn't matter whether your DST scores -5 and your opponents' 5, or whether yours scores 5 and his 15. He gains 10 points on you. I would agree with the scoring being tweaked to raise the average, for aesthetic reasons.

3. The attempt to get rid of DSTs in 2013 was doomed from the beginning, for reasons Ref stated eloquently in his first paragraph. And my thoughts were the same as Ref's on the best form of compensation if a change were to be made, which would only happen if it had to be made -- let us say if CBS in their weird arbitrariness suddenly abolished the DST position. The best compensation for teams' loss of keeper interests would be the granting of "sandwich" picks between rounds during the draft. The 2 teams with the 2 best DSTs would get a pick at the end of the first round, the next 2 best at the end of the second round, something like that. Probably rate the DSTs by averaging last year's score with a projection.

As a side note I was once in a keeper baseball league with a guy who wanted to change from AVG to OBP immediately, in year X. He put forth a motion which was defeated, partly because of the keeper issue. It was suggested to him that a motion to change beginning in year X+1 might pass. (It would have come close at least.) He never made such a motion.

The next year, same thing.

The next year, same thing.

The next year, same thing.

For some reason he would not put forward a motion to change 2 years from now, and preferred to be defeated every year.

4. The change I would support would be this: during the draft, as soon as the number of DSTs available exactly equals the number of teams not having a DST, no other team may draft a DST, and each team without a DST must draft one with its next pick. This would eliminate the possibility of a team not having a DST and being subjected to extortionate conditions to get one.

Toral

403

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 16:52

I like D/ST's. The RIFC already got rid of them and I play in 2 RIFC formats. I really don't care to have all the leagues I'm in be all the same.

That said, I would support simplifying the scoring system to just points allowed and possibly yardage allowed. Good defensive efforts that don't give up a lot of points should be rewarded.

More QBs are throwing for 300 yards per game than ever. The game itself has evolved since the current D/ST scoring parameters were set up.

404

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 13:25

Is it bad that I'm considering benching Chris Johnson in favor of Shaun Draughn due to the ugly matchup this weekend???

405

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 13:43

Plus you never know which ones are going to be great year to year. SF was great last year, but their whole team was too--in a week division. But the NL West is much improved so far this sason and as SF had a good year last season, this season's schedule is much tougher.

The SF D/ST is decent this year, but not nearly as good as last season, and the season prior to last year they were not even a keeper.

The NFL likes parity, and through the salary cap and scheduling do a pretty good job achieving their goal.

406

Great One
ID: 512531316
Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 18:11

Trade
GO's 3rd Round (and Urlacher) for Frick's Last Round (and Willis)

407

Frick
ID: 157331422
Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 20:54

Confirmed.

408

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Sep 30, 2012, 11:55

Need to process the above on CBS -- Frick can you get on there to accept? And is Ref or Judy around to push through before 1 PM? Don't think I push through my own.

409

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Sep 30, 2012, 12:49

Looks good whoever processed. And Frick's lineup is set with Urlacher replacing Willis as he intended post-trade.

410

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 30, 2012, 17:37

Thought it was a fair trade so I processed it and checked to see that brian was In lineup...

411

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Oct 01, 2012, 02:48

re #360 - eagle fans agree!

412

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 13:43

OK then, I am going to put my money where my typing fingers are.

I picked up the incredibly bad OAK DST who are on a bye this week and will "start" them in place of the DEN DST who have to go up against the Brady Bunch.

A zero is better than a negative.

We shall see how it all works out!

413

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 14:11

Toral - you gonna claim your boy Pead?

414

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 14:28

I like you working the strategy Judy. Creative!

415

Toral
ID: 424462011
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 15:33

Shhhhhh. Not so loud.

416

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 17:08

Looking for a last minute bye-week QB fill for this week. Will take anyone who's starting.

I'm willing to trade TB DST after week 6 in exchange.

417

Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:28

I gotta tell you, this was the most difficult trade of all time to read.

Cleveland Browns trade Chiefs to Kansas City Chiefs for Jaguars.

418

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 10:37

417: i Agree, but there is merit to it.

KC DST has 10 total points and Jax DST has 8 total points.

Both managers have two DST but the both Brownies DST had bye week 7 (KC and Jax) so it is merely a swap of two crappy DST to prevent a bye week zero -- which is what I opted for this week.

At least that is how I read it.

419

Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 10:39

No, I mean literally read it. Read it out loud.

420

Frick
ID: 2193319
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 11:24

I had the exact same thought GO. I read it twice before realized what was going on. Even then, I wasn't quite sure what teams were getting which DST.

421

Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 09:54

With Amendola going down I'm looking for a solid flex player, have a 2nd round pick for sale.
Can also package that pick with Mark Sanchez if anyone needs a bye week QB.

422

Frick
ID: 2193319
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 13:13

If anyone wants to acquire the other half of the Jets QB situation, I'm willing to make it a 3-way trade.

Someone wants the Sanchize and Tebow, right?

423

PromizeCell
ID: 57571713
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 22:02

Did I somehow miss a discussion or email about dues? Or is this free year?

424

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 22:55

Re dues.

I need to figure out prize money, who Is in the pick 'em etc. then I will send out "invoices".

Going away oct 11 through 20, so nothing until after then.

425

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 22:59

Is anyone playing pick 'ems? I can't find it on the website...

426

Toral
ID: 424462011
Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 06:28

We haven't played pick 'ems for a few years now. My recollection is that participation declind once we went to doubleheaders -- too much picking, especially with so manyn Thursday NFL games now.

427

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 09:02

Oddly enough Yahoo has pick'ems now, with standings and everything. Not sure where that came from.

428

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 15:05

The Luck to D.Allen connection! Got lucky with that spot start...

429

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 18:28

So far so good --- OAK on BYE, DEN has 0.5 with 20 min of Brady left...

430

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 19:58

GO - amen to that. I hope to have similar luck next week with Olsen on a bye.

With Mendenhall already in fold I am regretting the Chris Johnson trade...I'd much rather have Mendenhall, Colston, White, Bryant than have to start Jonathan Baldwin again..lol.

NYG - Why did you have to take Alshon Jeffrey right before me?!?!?!?!

All joking aside. I'll consider offers for Chris Johnson if Best gets cleared to start next week.

431

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 20:46

Chris johnson is a poison!!!! One and done! Just my humble opinion...

432

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 00:10

Sometimes the best trade is the one you dont make. I couldnt get a deal for a QB this week, and I score 139 without a QB at all.

433

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 07:40

Nerf - you're right. Like golf...sometimes the best shots are the ones you don't make.

I panicked and worried about my RB situation and made a totally unnecessary move...Shaun Draughn was more than capable to start for my squad until Mendenhall got back. Now I'm stuck with Johnson.

434

Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 11:02

According to CBS, Alex Green is not among the most added players. Good to know that is a tool I can rely on. Still using my #1 priority on him.

435

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 23:58

CBS "helpful advice" is so off base it is pathetic. They preview a guy for 0 points when he is averaging 7 tackles, for example. Their player news is so old. That's why I love MFL. Tons of information that they glean from many sources..

436

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 23:48

Phillip Rivers has just snatched defeat from the jaws of victory for the Chargers tonight x2.

437

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 00:05

Denver DST had 28 tonight.
Still don't Ike DST...

438

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 12:19

Judy - I think we are in favor of tweaking the scoring for it...

With Jahvid Best not getting cleared to return, I am officially taking the black cat known as Chris Johnson off the block. Looks like ill be needing him afterall...

439

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 07:42

Since we added yards against for ssn 2, every single proposal for the DST has been defeated including a couple of my own proposals. Things change and owners come and go, but I wouldn't hold my breath about changes. I am up for anything that will make the league better.

Thanks to GO who wrote up Peter N's winning news story. Remember that ANYONE may write news stories. I'd welcome some entertainment! Thus far my entertainment has basically been focused on laughing at my own team.

440

Great One
ID: 512531316
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 22:16

Chris Johnson available?

441

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 12:33

You offering me Charles? ;)

With Mendenhall's status in limbo and Best surprisingly not passing the concussion test...I'm stuck with him.

Don't let the one week vs Buffalos god awful run defense fool a seasons worth of work.

442

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Oct 28, 2012, 21:08

I'll entertain offers for my guys--esp guys I am not going to be able to keep. Any of you playoffs contenders needing a boost, hit me up.

443

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Oct 30, 2012, 10:12

I have several offers already. I am going to start pulling the trigger on these this week. Remember, I don't care about players for this season. I am looking at Keepers and high draft picks. TGonz seems to be the most popular player at this point. Make your best offers!

444

Great One
ID: 512531316
Tue, Oct 30, 2012, 10:50

I started 7-2... now am 7-9. Nice 7 game losing streak guys!

445

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 31, 2012, 12:17

What did the Colts get for Tony Gonzalez in that trade yesterday?

446

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 31, 2012, 12:32

Trying to keep a rolling list in this thread too, wouldn't be a bad idea...

Updated
XIV 2013 Traded Draft Picks:
9-30 Frick gets GO's 3rd Rounder for his 11th (Urlacher/Willis)
10-30 Ref gets B7's 2nd Rounder for his 7th (T.Gonzalez)

448

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Wed, Oct 31, 2012, 12:35

Man...Revis really had an effect on your squad!!!

449

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 31, 2012, 12:50

Revis, Amendola and A.Hernandez... a tough string of injuries in a row.

450

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Nov 01, 2012, 21:55

If I wasn't in a position of selling low on Phillip Rivers right now, I'd trade him.

451

Frick
ID: 2193319
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 08:09

I don't think you selling low on Rivers, you are stuck with the baggage of Norv and his possible firing looming over his shoulders.

Actually, based on past precedent, I'm not sure I would sell. Isn't about now, the time they suddenly start playing like a quality play-off team?

452

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 13:51

Still seething from his 6 turnovers 2 weeks ago that cost me 2 games.

So happy he had a bye last week.

Other than that stupid pick he threw in the end zone last night, he was good, but I hate being happy that his D scored twice, causing them to not rely on him passing anymore.

Don't even want to get into how much I dislike Norv.

453

Great One
ID: 477512212
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 13:53

Norv! (Sam, Diane, Cliff, Frasier...)

454

Building 7
ID: 87592712
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 17:19

That's Norm.

455

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Nov 05, 2012, 22:28

They had a great tidbit on Rivers on NFL matchup a couple weeks back to where Hodge dissected his throwing motion & production (or lack thereof).

To sum it up, mother age is catching up to him as his very unique throwing motion requires more time and torque on his body. It's like a fastball pitcher who no longer can throw that heat but hasn't adjusted yet.

Look at some of his downfield throws to meachem/Floyd/etc that come up short and aren't in stride...a lot of those ints are throws he used to be able to make and still thinks he can...

Read into it how you want, but that scares me about his long term viability as a fantasy starting qb.

456

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 06, 2012, 11:21

Didn't catch that show, but I'd noticed there was an issue of some concern. Thought it might be injury related, but with his throwing mechanics, it makes perfect sense looking at his last couple of years.

457

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 13:13

Last second I swap in the Bucs D for the Jets D... looking like a brilliant! decision so far. Ugh.

458

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 14:08

Looks like frick forgot to set a lineup. 2 guys with byes playing with subs on the bench -- works for me! Hope he is OK and just forgot...

459

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 14:35

What's the deadline for weekly FA transactions? I'm trying to swap out guys whose games won't start until later and it gets kicked over to a ww transaction for Wed.

Don't see this addressed in the rules.

460

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 14:44

I think all players regardless of start time get frozen at 1 PM. Another CBS flaw. I think thats a battle Ref has fought for years with baseball if I remember correctly.

Yahoo now has the Game Time Waivers option which is pretty solid.

461

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 14:54

If they freeze 5 min prior to the start of their game, you should be able to move them until their freeze.

Hopefully it won't matter. Luckily my injury replacements look to be coming through for me when I really needed them.

And Rivers hasn't screwed up yet.

462

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 15:02

MFL is the best site...

463

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 15:41

Awesome in my doubleheader my two opponent QB's are Matt Ryan and Drew Brees... you guys just keep going up and down the field. Just great.

464

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 16:53

Saints DST finishes at -0.5...

465

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 12, 2012, 12:31

The thing I love (emphasizing sarcasm) is how the Seahawks dst (22pts), without a defensive TD, scored almost as much as Matt Ryan...who put up 411 yards and 3 TDs / 1 INT (26).

To me...the dst can be argued as the most valuable slot in g24. If you have one, its better than having an elite qb...if you don't, better hope the rest of your squad is decent. A bad qb will still get you some points...but it wont lose you points. That shouldn't be the case.

That said, I'm in favor of tweaks...

MJD - you jinxed him!!!

466

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Mon, Nov 12, 2012, 13:57

Someone finally stepped up and took me down. ;)

Yep, my MVP so far is the Chicago defense, which is probably scoring better than any DST in the last 3 seasons.

467

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Nov 12, 2012, 23:38

34 points for DST Denver -- did not need it to win, but opponents DST only scored minus 0.5 (NOLA) and minus 1.5 (SD).

Still hate DST... Gotta be tweaked...let's be sure to discuss before next season...

Talk about luck -- Foles, my back up QB (and QB of the future??) gets a start during Ponder's bye week. Heh heh...

468

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Nov 15, 2012, 22:12

Anybody else get this email from CBS?

Dear Valued Fantasy Football Player,

As a registered Fantasy Football Commissioner Player, you have been chosen to take a short confidential survey. Please hop off the bench and kick off the survey at the button below. Thank you in advance for your feedback!

It's an advertisement/survey/SPAM about auto insurance providers. Pretty slimy.

We need to dump these money grubbing, unethical jerks.

469

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 19:53

Anybody know what the prize monies are?

I cannot find it on the rules.

I am getting ready to "bill" the teams for participating this year. Some of you have credits because you did not collect prior winnings...

Let me know!

470

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Tue, Nov 20, 2012, 01:41

Wow - my first week under 100 points. The Bears D finally had a fail.

McGehee now out, hopefully will have enough depth to last in the playoffs, but the thing that's been bugging me is that in all the fantasy football seasons Ive ever been in with Guru folks, I've never seen the best regular season team win the playoffs. If I had a choice, I'd rather be in this position (already clinching a playoff spot), but I will have to buck a trend to win this thing.

471

Doug
ID: 1010532211
Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 12:56

Hadn't really been checking the standings... my team is dead this year.

Anyone in the hunt this year interested in Michael Turner, Steven Jackson, or Antonio Gates?

Looking for a promising young player I can keep, or more likely draft pick upgrades next year.

I've also got some quality IDPs or K I'd be willing to move as part of a deal (I realize nobody gives up an early pick for these guys alone, just something that can be added as part of the package to make it sweeter for you).

472

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Thu, Nov 22, 2012, 13:22

I think you waited a year too long to put them on the block in terms of the value you could've got for them...

In fairness, you were a contender last year and weren't a seller, though.

473

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Nov 27, 2012, 18:08

Great I lose DJax (not having a great year anyway) and A Brown (awesome) to broken bones on the same weekend.

Sheesh.

474

Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Nov 27, 2012, 18:26

My thanx to the schedule makers for putting me up against the divisional NFC leaders in this make-or-break week.

475

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Wed, Nov 28, 2012, 01:43

I was actually a bit worried about last week but it worked out, and now it looks like I've clinched everything. Maybe I'll keep my starters out this week... ;)

476

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 19:57

For the teams out of the playoff race, I'm looking to shore up my bench or upgrade a few positions. RB/WR/TEs are my main focus. I've got a few feelers out there, so hit me up if you want to deal an older vet that might can help me in the playoffs.

477

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 15:51

Thought the trade deadline was last night at 11:59 PM.

478

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 16:34

If you are referring to the one processed this morning it was accepted several days ago.

479

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 16:43

Sorry, must have missed that.

Any picks involved?

480

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 16:58

No picks.

481

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Dec 02, 2012, 20:03

Was hoping to see that in Rivers' stat line.

482

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Dec 03, 2012, 09:58

Ref with the shocking upset of B7...Didn't see that coming.

I needed a big game from dez and got it. I was worried that I'd be outside looking in bc of my week 1 faux pas vs mjd starting Akeem Dent over Rolando McClain.

Who knows...if Perry Riley goes off tonight I still might be out.

483

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 13:50

Do we have the playoff schedule yet?

484

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 13:58

I have no idea how to do that but I'll ask Ref and Judy.

485

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 14:03

if anyone has time to start mapping out which teams go where I can figure out how to input tonight or tomorrow.

PLAYOFFS
Playoff Game Tiebreak Policy:
1st tiebreaker: Most TD's scored
2nd tie: Most TD's passing
3rd tie: Highest single scoring player
4th tie Next highest scoring player and so on

Playoff teams will be announced at the end of week #13, which is the end of the regular season. Playoff teams will be seeded accordingly:

#1 seed = division winner with best record
#2 seed = other division winner
#3 seed = wildcard team with best record
#4 seed = other wildcard team

Seeds #1/#4 and Seeds #2/#3 will play in week #14, with the winners advancing to meet for their respective conference championship in week #15. Each conference winner will advance to the SuperBowl to be held in week #16. Losers will also continue playing to vie for placement for cash prizes (if app.). i.e. If you lose in round one, the best you can do is 5th place.

Runner-Up playoffs: We run teams 9-16 (Wanna-be Bowl) and teams 17-24 (Toilet Bowl) in a single elimination version of our Super Bowl. All stats will count but only regular season records will be counted toward your draft order for the following year.

486

Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 14:04

Guessing we lock non-playoff teams too?

487

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 16:02

Looks like the #1 seed in the AFC will need a tiebreaker.

488

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 18:16

#2 gets Buffalo...bring it!

489

youngroman
ID: 211146417
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 18:47

first wins, then total points. so we have the following seeds

AFC:
1 San Diego
2 Cincinnati
3 Buffalo
4 Kansas City
5 Baltimore
6 NY Jets
7 Cleveland
8 Denver
9 Houston
10 Oakland
11 Indianapolis
12 Jacksonville

NFC:
1 Detroit
2 Green Bay
3 Philadelphia
4 NY Giants
5 New Orleans
6 Arizona
7 Chicago
8 Carolina
9 Dallas
10 Seattle
11 San Francisco
12 Minnesota

matchups are
1 vs 4, 2 vs 3
5 vs 8, 6 vs 7
9 vs 12, 10 vs 11

my matchup (CIN - BUF) will be interesting. coming from the same division we met twice already and are 1-1 in that duel. I hope I can repeat my week 7 performance of 138.8 points and not my week 13 total of 99.6 points.

490

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 19:04

Thanks YR.

My matchup (Chargers vs KC) should be interesting. We also played twice. I lost both-week 1 and my last loss in week 9, before going on a current 8 game winning streak.

491

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 19:13

I'm also on a 3 week streak of highest score.

Feels like a set up to me. The first week of the playoffs have been poison to me the last 2 seasons.

492

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 19:55

I'm facing a Giants team that I was 12-1 against on breakdown. It's the 1 that's got me worried. ;)

I had about as good of a regular season as you could get. Best in points, record, and breakdown - not having a losing record against anyone.

We'll see what happens in the one-and-dones.

493

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 21:18

Sorry to be no help here. Really clueless how to set this up for playoffs...

494

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 22:48

Thanks for the heads up form GO and JUdy. I am so buys with RL that I didn't even realize it was playoff time. I just got to a computer and will set this schedule up. Remember no one in the top 4 seeds in each conference may make add/drops after last Sunday's freeze. You may not keep anyone you pick up after that for playoff members. Anyone ineligible who has made pickups will be reversed.

495

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 22:51

re: 489

You are correct in your top 4 of each conference. However 9-16 and 17-24 is overall and not by conference.

496

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 23:27

here is what i think it is:

9: BALT (15 W0
10: NYJ (14/2836 pts)
11: NO (14/2616)
12: AZ (13/2779)
13: CHI (13/2710)
14: CLE (12)
15: DEN (11/2548)
16: CAR (11/2638)
17: HOU (10/2635)
18: DAL (10/2392)
19: SEA (9)
20: SF (7/2497)
21: OAK (7/2384)
22: IND (7/2382)
23: MIN (7/2062)
24: JAX (6)

497

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 23:33

Corrected version -- fixed DEN and CAR
9: BALT (15 W0
10: NYJ (14/2836 pts)
11: NO (14/2616)
12: AZ (13/2779)
13: CHI (13/2710)
14: CLE (12)
15: CAR (11/2638)
16: DEN (11/2548)
17: HOU (10/2635)
18: DAL (10/2392)
19: SEA (9)
20: SF (7/2497)
21: OAK (7/2384)
22: IND (7/2382)
23: MIN (7/2062)
24: JAX (6)

498

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Dec 04, 2012, 23:35

Schedule set.

499

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 08:59

12/5/12 1:29 AM ET Denver Broncos Cushing, Brian LB HOU - Claimed off Waivers 14
Lenon, Paris LB ARI
- Dropped

12/5/12 1:29 AM ET Denver Broncos Jean, Lestar WR HOU - Claimed off Waivers 14
Jammer, Quentin DB SD - Dropped

12/5/12 1:29 AM ET Denver Broncos Dunbar, Lance RB DAL - Claimed off Waivers 14
Clemons, Chris DB MIA - Dropped

12/5/12 1:29 AM ET Jacksonville Jaguars Ivory, Chris RB NO - Claimed off Waivers 14
Butler, Donald LB SD
- Dropped

500

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 09:00

So these 4 need reversing... ugh. And how the heck do we factor that into waive claims?

501

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 09:06

I have locked the 16 non-playoff teams from making add/drops

502

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 09:26

Thanks, GO.

YR - my team has been so hot and cold...at least you've had some consistency throughout the year. Either I'm really good or average. I'm hoping I'm not one and done for the second year in a row...

503

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 09:48

I'm real excited to be one of the first teams out of the playoffs. Thanks for that mid-season 8 game losing streak after starting 7-2.

504

gshade
ID: 357591614
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 10:22

Slizz, same here. I just have not been able to get consistent scoring from my offensive players. At the beginning of the year, i thought i was a lock for the playoffs with bonefide "studs" at every postion, but defense. But, I gotta say, i got really, really lucky to sneak in the playoffs.

mjd - our matchup is even more intriguing because of the bryce brown factor. he's a guy I drafted and wanted to keep on my bench, but had to let go of because of injuries / bye-weeks. of course i chose to drop him over evan royster (foolish). now there's a chance that he ends my season!

505

Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 10:36

Transactions were reversed from post #499

506

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 10:45

My team was done when both DJax and a brown/RB went down. Had a slim chance for a spot til then. Need to find a 2013 QB if Foles does not pan out...

507

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 12:30

504-McCoy coming back could really complicate things and while Brown saved my season at a critical time, he's probably going to steal some of McCoy's touches once Shady returns. Though if he doesn't learn to tuck away the rock.... I don't need another turnover machine on my team.

Yeah, I'm talking to you Phillip Rivers.

508

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 19:11

Ref with the shocking upset of B7...Didn't see that coming.

As it turned out, my team needed one win to make the playoffs. I scored the 4th highest total of the week and lost both games. I remember once, I lost 2 games and had the 3rd highest total of the week. That's not easy to do. But, that week was less important.

So, the odds of losing the first game would be 3 in 23. And the odds of also losing the 2nd game would be 2 in 22.

3/23 * 2/22 = 6 / 506 or 1 in 84 chances of having the 4th highest score of the week and losing both games. Plus, one of the teams I lost to was 5-19.

509

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 00:41

Sounds like you got Nerfed, RIFC-style.

510

Slizz
ID: 396121611
Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 11:18

B7 -'Losing to MJD was one thing as he's been hot all year...Refs Colts fought hard to the end and, as a result, it cost him the #1 odds for 1.01 in next years supplemental draft.

Greg - having Jimmy Graham helps give you an edge over most opponents due to his WR like production...Same thing that happened to you with Bryce Brown happened to me with Cecil Shorts...can't keep em all!

MJD - it's a good long term problem to have...I'd be very surprised if the birds put McCoy out on the field for the remainder of the year. It seems they're in all out rebuilding mode.

511

Building 7
ID: 87592712
Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 12:48

I don't know what team you are, but you would have lost to ref's team last week, too.

I got Nerfed in the poltical league, too. I had the highest amount of points in the league, and did not make the playoffs.

512

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 12:56

We need to design a "you've been nerf'd trophy".

513

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 14:40

Waver wire guys like Brown, Shorts, and Dario Alexander put up some good numbers when Sproles. Benson, Harvin, and McCoy all missed or are missing significant time to injuries.

Hoping for more of the same from Riley Cooper if Shorts is out this week. It's said that he passed his concussion test and is cleared to play, but he missed practice yesterday because he's still bothered by his concussion symptoms. Not sure what to make of that.

514

gshade
ID: 357591614
Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 16:47

mjd - i think you win the waiver wire trophy this year. it's insane that you got all 3 of those guys. should be some nice offseason trade bait as well.

slizz - can i take some credit for snagging jimmy g off the waivers his rookie year? i remember being pissed that i missed on moeaki on waivers the week before getting graham... im not so mad anymore

515

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Fri, Dec 07, 2012, 01:10

I got Nerfed last season - teams scored an average of 110 points against me. That meant I was 11-15 when I probably should have been something like 15-11. Anyways, that weird 11-15 put me in the bottom 8 and I won the lottery. Getting Richardson is one of the reasons I went 22-4 this year. So in a keeper league it isn't necessarily a bad thing to get Nerfed once in awhile in the long run.

516

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Fri, Dec 07, 2012, 11:28

B7 - Buffalo Bills

517

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 16:25

Looks I found my QB in Foles and he is an eagle to boot!

518

Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 16:41

Oh man, not a good start. My IDP/DST did nothing today. What a week for my team to take a d**p.

519

Great One
ID: 512531316
Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 20:18

Should have stuck David Wilson in there today like I planned to... oh well!

520

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 20:43

Is the 49 points by the Seahawks DST a fantasy record in G24?

521

youngroman
ID: 211146417
Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 04:01

my team played like the Cardinals against the Seahawks. awful. will need to look forward to next season.

522

Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 20:31

YR - Indeed they did...my defense really stepped up as the offense did what I expected it to do. You have some good building blocks for next season to go with the studs.

I got my work cut out for me next week without my best player (dez bryant) vs the AFCs best.

523

Great One
ID: 1811431019
Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 20:43

All year I've wondered how the heck the Bengals kept winning.

524

youngroman
ID: 211146417
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 04:28

the Bengals played all year with only 3 offensive weapons (Dalton, Foster and James Jones) and JJ Watt. Jones disappeared the last few weeks. Vernon Davis was not targeted anymore because of his blocking skills and even Chris Givens provided mostly stats from his returns. The Ravens defense was horrible in the 1st quarter where they gave up too many yards and 14 points. the rest of the game they were ok, but the damage was already done against the top scoring player of the league.

I had several players with their worst game of the season in week 14:
JJ Watt (5)
James Jones (2.7)
Darius Reynaud (1.6)
Vernon Davis (0.4)

and most others had nearly their worst game:
Dalton, Foster, Givens, Freeman, Mathis, Ravens D

with this many low performers the results can only be 76.46 points which is disappointing for a playoff game.

525

GO
ID: 2431114
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 11:35

I don't know how you did it, but you deserve manager of the year for piecing it all together each week.

526

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 12:53

I've felt your pain YR. Last year I scored a ridiculous 189 points in a meaningless week 13 game and crapped out the following week when I needed every single point.

Week 14 has been my bane the last 2 seasons. Hard to believe that every player on the team can bomb out the same week at such a critical time.

For fantasy purposes I really dislike Thursday night games. Going to force me to make some tough decisions not knowing the health status of a couple of my players. And my SF D/ST must travel cross country to play the high flying Pats who are playing like a well oiled machine and don't mind running up the score.

527

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 15:04

Where on the CBS website are the playoff brackets listed? I do not see a link!

528

GO
ID: 2431114
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 16:22

Judy - My Team has Schedule across the top. So do we need to assign matchups again tonight?

And do we lock down the eliminated teams from roster moves here?

529

GO
ID: 2431114
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 16:51

1 SD vs. 4. KC ---- CHARGERS
2. CIN vs. 3. BUF ---- BILLS

1. DET vs. 4. NYG ---- GIANTS
2. GB vs. 3. PHI ---- PHILLY

9: BALT vs 16: DEN ---- BRONCOS
10: NYJ vs. 15: CAR ---- CAROLINA
11: NO vs. 14: CLE ---- BROWNS
12: AZ vs. 13: CHI ---- ARIZONA

17: HOU vs 24: JAX ---- TEXANS
18: DAL vs 23: MIN ---- DALLAS
19: SEA vs 22: IND ---- INDY
20: SF vs 21: OAK ---- OAKLAND

Winning team is in all caps at the end...

530

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 23:07

528

Yes. Shoot me an email if you get stuck. Have to reset the matchups each week.

FYI looked into MFL for 2013 -- we can import data.

Need to find and save records, rules and history wherever they are...

531

GO
ID: 4111151122
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 23:24

Ok working on this now, Judy sent me some guidelines. The top half is pretty simple I think.
And also lock KC, CIN, DET, GB from making moves since out of contention. So only BUF, SDG, NYG and PHL can make waiver claims.

Everyone agree with these? and I assume if you get knocked out of Toilet Bowl you just don't play anymore?

AFC Championship - Bills at Chargers
NFC Championship - NYG at Philly
KC at Cincy (consolation?)
GB at Detroit (consolation?)

Arizona at Denver
Cleveland at Carolina

Oakland at Houston
Indy at Dallas

533

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 15:13

Yes I believe losers bracket is one and done.

534

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 15:45

I will again be running the playoff game by MFL. The basic rule is that you can use each player (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, DST once over the course of the playoffs.

So. For example, if you use both Brady and Rodgers in their first games you cannot use them again and might be without a QB for the super Bowl. So ya gotta plan.

I will send out my info when our fantasy season is over, but wanted you to know that your fantasy fix can continue!

Watch this space for announcements. Last year I think we had ~ 20 teams (you can have two!)

535

GO
ID: 2431114
Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 15:32

Looks like my team is fully healthy this week and ready to go. Ok! oh... the season is over.

536

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Dec 16, 2012, 22:07

Can't blame this week on my D/ST.

537

Slizz
ID: 571141622
Mon, Dec 17, 2012, 11:09

Got my work cut out for me vs ds...

Rodgers at qb;
Peterson closing in on the record;
Kaepernick to Crabtree (12 targets/game);
Welker
Seahawks DST

...To go with the rest of that deep squad.

I have a really good squad...but I don't have an advantage with Bryant and White at less than 100%...

538

GO
ID: 2431114
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 15:36

Judy - do we need to set matchups again or anything?

539

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 19:12

gO

Shot you an email...

540

GO
ID: 441171223
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 20:04

1 SD vs. 4. KC ---- CHARGERS vs BILLS

1. DET vs. 4. NYG ---- GIANTS
2. GB vs. 3. PHI ---- PHILLY

9: BALT vs 16: DEN ---- BRONCOS
10: NYJ vs. 15: CAR ---- CAROLINA
11: NO vs. 14: CLE ---- BROWNS
12: AZ vs. 13: CHI ---- ARIZONA

17: HOU vs 24: JAX ---- TEXANS
18: DAL vs 23: MIN ---- DALLAS
19: SEA vs 22: IND ---- INDY
20: SF vs 21: OAK ---- OAKLAND

So do these look right to everyone?
Final Matchups
G24 Super Bowl - Bills vs. Eagles
I Don't Know How to Bowl - Giants at Chargers
Wanna Be Bowl - Cleveland at Arizona
Toilet Bowl - Oakland at Dallas

542

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 20:26

go - see email I think not...

543

GO
ID: 441171223
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 21:11

Final Week Summary
G24 Super Bowl - Bills vs. Eagles
I Don't Know How to Bowl - Giants at Chargers
Wanna Be Bowl - Cleveland at Arizona
Toilet Bowl - Oakland at Dallas

Locked NY Giants and SD Chargers.

544

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 22:40

Go -- yup, it's right...

CBS is a disaster site. You have to reset each playoff matchup. MFL is a pice of cake compared to this...

545

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 23:14

The final week should have 6 games total. The top 8 places have to be decided (for payouts) in addition to the winner of the lower two bowls. This is how it should look:

Super Bowl: Bills vs Eagles
3rd Place: Giants vs Chargers
5th Place: Packers vs Chiefs
7th Place: Lions vs Bengals

Wanna Be Bowl (9th Place)
Browns vs Cardinals

Toilet Bowl (17th Place)
Raiders vs Cowboys

In addition, I'm not sure the top 8 teams should be locked at all. They are still playing for prize money, so doesn't make sense that they are barred from making pickups unless that has been done in recent years. Only the non-playoff teams are usually locked as I recall.

546

GO
ID: 441171223
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 23:39

I think you are right, in this league all 8 stay unlocked. All my other leagues we lock it up for those not in contention. We should really consider that for this league -- its not like there is a ton of money involved in 5th vs. 6th position. Just play what you got and stay out of the way of those playing for the title is what I've always felt.

547

GO
ID: 441171223
Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 23:40

All 8 playoff teams are unlocked. Also added those 2 extra playoff matchups.

548

Doug
ID: 51724258
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 18:23

Is there anything at stake besides pride in the lower bowls?

549

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 19:18

What a terrible playoff run... But I think if you read above I told you all this would happen. :P

550

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 12:21

Am I allowed to make a transaction? Tried to swap out DL J Smith who will be inactive for Babin, but I'm locked out.

Not that it makes any difference.........

551

GO
ID: 441171223
Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 13:00

I really have no idea. CBS screws me up so much. The playoff bracket is terrible to hard to figure who is playing who and who is still in it.

I think you can still make moves. What is the roster move you are trying to make? Drop Smith for Babin? Maybe I can still do it.

552

Slizz
ID: 1411201915
Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 14:04

I hate Chris Johnson. Even moreso with dez on my bench.

553

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 15:12

Don't worry about it GO, doesn't matter.

554

Slizz
ID: 1411201915
Mon, Dec 24, 2012, 05:27

Seattle DST put a scare in me after that defensive TD...a big play to Crabtree would've hurt! GG, DS...

It feels good to finally win this thing...getting over the hump and turning the once moribund Bills franchise into a championship squad is definitely the highlight of my fantasy football career.

Now I have some tough decisions to make on keepers as I unexpectedly have more than what I need...but we will wait until the draft/free agency before beginning those talks.

555

GO
ID: 2431114
Mon, Dec 24, 2012, 08:48

And the Bills erase the memory of those 4 straight Super Bowl losses. Somewhere Jim Kelly is smiling! Or has no idea.

556

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Dec 24, 2012, 11:25

And did it right... of all the playoff teams, posted the high score every week of the playoffs.

Way to dominate, Slizz.

557

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Mon, Dec 24, 2012, 17:18

Yeah no doubt. If you're gonna put up 160+, do it in the super bowl!

My team came back this week, but it was a bad time to have 2 off weeks in a row. Oh well! I won't have too many decisions to make on keepers and I love how it's going to shape up next year. Most of my offensive players are relatively young and hungry to do better. Though I can't imagine doing better overall than what I did this year.

558

Toral
ID: 424462011
Mon, Dec 24, 2012, 18:47

The RL Bills are going to need a new coach next year. You interested?

Congratulations.

559

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Dec 31, 2012, 09:40

Grats Slizz!

560

GO
ID: 811442813
Mon, Dec 31, 2012, 09:48

So I'd like to write a newspaper style summary of the championship, but is that even something we can post if/when we switch to MFL or whatever site?

561

Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Dec 31, 2012, 13:05

Congrats, slizz!

562

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Dec 31, 2012, 15:26

560. Yes -- see this link:

http://football19.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=10884&O=72

Images too!

563

Pete N.
ID: 2011313116
Mon, Dec 31, 2012, 17:31

Congrats Slizz!

564

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Jan 01, 2013, 12:16

The 2012 MFL NFL Playoff Challenge is up and running.

The basic rule is that you can use each player (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, DST only once over the course of the playoffs.

So. For example, if you use both Brady and Rodgers in their first games you cannot use them again and might be without a QB for the super Bowl. So ya gotta plan.

Invitations to last year's managers were sent out today.

If you do not want to play this year, please let me know and I will delete your team(s). If you have (non RIFC) friends who want to play, have them email me (swimichel@mac.com) and I will send out an invitation.

You can have up to two teams!

Last year's winner was Promizedawgs, with s_R second and Crabby Bills came in third.

565

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Feb 10, 2013, 13:57

Will do more research when draft day rolls around but Doug's picks of Lamar Miller and Bernard Pierce are looking like gems.

With Reggie Bush on the outs and Daniel Thomas failing to assert himself as the #1, miller should get the first crack.

Pierce is gonna be a good handcuff to have and those two should help his team transition from S. Jax and Turner.

566

GO
ID: 120252515
Fri, May 10, 2013, 14:20

I've got a reliable top WR (top 10 wideout 4 of last 5 seasons) for sale for a top 10 draft pick or package of leftover guys you can't keep anyway paired with a pick.
Tired of just picking some random rookie WR that does nothing for 2 seasons? Come get Andre Johnson for instant production.

Also have the suddenly valuable Revis! TB Bucs Defense for a small price.

567

GO
ID: 120252515
Fri, May 10, 2013, 14:21

And I've had a good offseason so far with upgraded situations for David Wilson, Amendola and Mendenhall. So hopefully some promise and newfound depth there.

568

GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, May 14, 2013, 14:08

I'm thinking I don't want my main two pass catchers competing for targets - Amendola + Hernandez... so anyone with interest in them make an offer or let me know your interest.

I even have interest in 2-1 type deals too cause I feel like I am a keeper or two short and could use some depth.

569

GO
ID: 175252414
Wed, Jun 26, 2013, 15:21

1 post later, 1 month later... Aaron Hernandez is the probably the one I'd prefer to move I think.

570

Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Jun 26, 2013, 15:26

And that is the main reason why most people aren't that active with moving players in the off-season.

A month ago, would you have traded Hernandez for Gronk? I would probably have had to give you a draft pick, depending on what the current news about his surgeries was. Since the NFL is averaging an arrest every 5 days this off-season, the downside risk isn't generally worth it.

571

GO
ID: 175252414
Wed, Jun 26, 2013, 15:49

Well I got offers for Hernandez actually... guess I should have took them!

572

Promize
ID: 8630107
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 08:30

So what is the status of this league? Did we get rid of the money last year?

573

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Jul 10, 2013, 13:43

Our intention is to leave CBS... I'm copying everything I can right now into Excel should we get locked out after this early bird special ends.

574

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 09:35

Does yahoo do doubleheaders yet?

Is there anyone who plans on leaving this league?

If so, I'd like to formally nominate WG...he has expressed interest privately and I'm sure he would make a great addition to this league.

575

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 12:41

Yahoo and ESPN have a max of 20 teams so unfortunately they are both out because of it.

576

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 13:43

I think MFL is the way to go. they allow 96 franchises, 24 divisions and 90 roster spots. I believe this is sufficient for us. they even offer an option to import historical data from CBS.

577

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 13:44

GO did yeomans work moving the CBS data from 2012 to an mfl site I made in 2012 after the season. I plan to move the 2012 data to the mfl 2013 site we purchased for 1/3 of the CBS cost. Also no one paid dues for last season but I paid the fee, so there is that to sort out as well as the prize money.

I just got back from vacation and hope to move the information to the mfl 2013 site and set the parameters for the league.

That's where we are today. We are still very much a work in progress.

578

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 16:43

The team names and rosters have been transferred to MFL. We are in the process of checking out the other stuff...

579

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Jul 24, 2013, 22:34

New thread for 2013 is open. Please check it out for updates.

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