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| Posted by: Perm Dude
- [3210201915] Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 12:05
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ID: 45735270
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 20:58
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USC out from under sanctions (which were terrible to begin with).
Matt Barkley will win the Heisman.
USC will defeat whichever over-ranked and over-hyped SEC opponent they face in the BCS National Championship.
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| | | 2 | Frick
ID: 157331422
Tue, Aug 28, 2012, 21:42
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So you don't consider the scholarship limitations to be sanctions? They could have a big impact on USC this year as they have very little depth if they have injury issues.
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| | | 3 | TB
ID: 45735270
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 00:01
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USC out from some of the terrible sanctions.
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| | | 4 | Promize
ID: 447211612
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 07:06
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PAC-10 fans are so cute when they have hopes...
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| | | 5 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 27731299
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 10:32
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USC out from under sanctions (which were terrible to begin with).
Not yet. The lack of scholarships will hurt for a few more years. As the injuries pile up, like they always do in football, USC will feel the pain. There's a lot of potential for them to be the "over-ranked and over-hyped" team for a couple seasons because of that. If they somehow manage to stay VERY healthy, they'll still have a tough time living up to expectations.
Matt Barkley will win the Heisman.
He'll need some luck (pun intended) to do so. The last few USAToday preseason Heisman hopefuls haven't fared well...
2011: Luck (Winner: RG3, not mentioned in story)
2010: Ingram [to repeat] (Winner: Newton, not mentioned in story)
2009: Tebow (Winner: Ingram, not mentioned in story)
2008: Tebow [to repeat] (Winner: Bradford, not mentioned in story)
Barkley will likely have to exceed expectations, which will be tough to do, in order to beat out a breakout candidate.
USC will defeat whichever over-ranked and over-hyped SEC opponent they face in the BCS National Championship.
Possible, but history is certainly not on their side. It seems every year an "over-ranked and over-hyped SEC opponent" is in the BCS Championship, they defy their critics and win. Time will tell...
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| | | 6 | TB
ID: 45735270
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 12:41
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Pretty easy to defy their critics when they get two over-ranked and over-hyped teams into the championship game.
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| | | 7 | Frick
ID: 14082314
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 12:59
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Don't be so harsh, that was an a thrilling display of great defenses. Just be glad it wasn't two B1G teams, then it would have been a boring game.
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| | | 8 | Seattle Zen
ID: 47630913
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 17:01
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What is the "PAC-10"?
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| | | 9 | Razor
ID: 177192916
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 17:19
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"that was an a thrilling display of great defenses"
I think that both teams had great defenses, but it certainly wasn't a thrilling display. Just like the first game, it was pretty boring to watch.
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| | | 10 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 17:23
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Frick did you watch the B1G Championship game last year? It was better than the NCG by tenfold.
This will be a down year for the B1G and that's really the only conference I follow. I think USC will be good, but they'll get beat late by an inferior Pac-50 team. I think this year will be a repeat of an SEC-SEC championship unless an ACC school runs the table (VaTech could possibly do that to surprise.) No B1G, Big East or Big 12 team has the schedule or the roster to run the table.
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| | | 11 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 27731299
Wed, Aug 29, 2012, 18:06
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Pretty easy to defy their critics when they get two over-ranked and over-hyped teams into the championship game.
I would love to know what team you think would have had a legitimate chance of beating either team considering those teams' losses.
#3 Oklahoma State? Probably not, given their embarassing loss to Iowa State late in the season and the fact that they barely beat a majority of their ranked opponents. Oklahoma was the only outlier.
#4 Oregon? See: 3 Sept 2011. "Neutral" site. Smackdown. Nothing would change in LSU's backyard.
#5 Arkansas? Ummm... I'm guessing you'd say no.
#6 USC? I'm sure this is the team you'd point to, but who, exactly, did they beat that was impressive? A 3-point win over Oregon doesn't quite compare to LSU's or Bama's resume.
We'll stop there because making an argument for any other team would be even more laughable.
I certainly wasn't a fan of LSU/BAMA 2, but at the end of the day, they were the best teams in college football by a wide margin last year.
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| | | 12 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 17:30
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New year, new conference for Texas A&M. They have played Baylor and Texas every year for over 100 years. Not this year. I'm not sure who their new rival is. LSU maybe. Does LSU have a rival? A big rivalry game every year? Arkansas? Alabama has Auburn. Texas does not want to play A&M in anything and A&M does not want to play Baylor because of the way their Big 12 exit went down. In any sport. It's going to be strange here in College Station. We welcome the SEC, stick around for the band if you go to a game.
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| | | 13 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 27731299
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 21:11
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Does LSU have a rival?
Not really. They have a lot of historical opponents that would generally be classified as rivalries, but certainly not of the Alabama/Auburn or Florida/Florida St., etc. variety. Lately, their biggest "rivals" have been Alabama and Auburn? Since 1982, the LSU/Bama series is 15-15-1. Since it resumed in 1988, the LSU/Auburn series is 11-11 with no team winning more than 3 in a row (only once) since 1995.
Personally, I think any LSU fan that remembers the 1994 game vs Auburn considers Auburn to forever be a rival. LSU led the game 23-9 in the 4th quarter and had held Auburn's offense to VERY few yards. Despite the 14-point lead and a dominant defense, LSU kept throwing the ball... And things got weird very quickly.
Auburn intercepted the ball and returned it for a 42-yard TD. 23-16. Three plays later, with LSU still throwing the ball, Auburn interecepted the ball and returned it 32 yards for a TD. 23-23. LSU managed a TD and a defensive hold to make the score 26-23. And they kept passing. And Auburn kept intercepting. Another Pick 6. 30-26. Now LSU had to throw the ball. And Auburn intercepted again. Except this time, the player fumbled the return and gave the ball back to LSU... and they promptly got picked off again!
A 14-point lead with a dominant defense erased by 5 -- yes, FIVE -- interceptions in a single quarter with three of them returned for TDs. Any LSU fan who remembers that game HATES Auburn with a passion.
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ID: 171572711
Fri, Aug 31, 2012, 21:32
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What about Arkansas and LSU?
A&M and LSU have actually played 50 games over the years. link
After that 52-0 drubbing in 1899, LSU has made few visits to College Station. LSU holds the overall edge 27-20-3. In College Station their record is 1-7-1. We have to find a new rival.
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| | | 15 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 41450296
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 06:11
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What about Arkansas and LSU?
Honestly, it's about as good as any other choice for LSU. They just don't have any standout rival -- particularly an in-state rival that can matchup-- like you see withother teams.
The fact that LSU/Arkansas favors LSU 12-6 since 1994 also dampens the impact of the rivalry, no matter how much Arkansas fans would like to point to the closeness of some of the more recent games.
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ID: 171572711
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 08:07
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For rivalry weekend, the last week, it's:
LSU - Arkansas
Texas A&M - Missouri
Maybe the legislature will do something.
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| | | 17 | Frick
ID: 14082314
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 21:37
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Watching Michigan getting destroyed by Alabama. Alabama is very good and Michigan is extremely overrated. Denard Robinson is a amazing runner, but would lose a passing contest to most high school QBs.
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| | | 18 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 21:52
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I wouldn't expect A&M to have an SEC rival anytime soon. Arkansas is at 20 years and most fans still consider Texas to be their biggest rival (just like every other SWC school).
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| | | 19 | Frick
ID: 14082314
Sat, Sep 01, 2012, 21:58
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Wow, just checked out the B1G scoreboard. The B1G looks awful after the first weekend. Michigan getting embarrassed, Wisconsin getting scared, Iowa winning with 6 FGs and Penn State losing to Ohio.
To be fair, I hope that Penn St. loses every game this week and the entire team defects and they have to start over.
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| | | 20 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 00:13
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Re: 13 - great post. Only a true fan would know something about that!
SZ - how's Washington looking this year??? You're my goto for insight on PAC 12/husky football...
Frick - I wouldn't read too much into Wisconsins first game. Not saying theyll win a national championship, but kkb will tell you that auburn looked terrible during their first few games en route to a championship (mainly vs miss st)...then it clicked. All that matters is they got the w.
Iowa is always ugly.
Frick - I completely agree with you on penn st. Just annoys me seeing all the coverage they get.
Also agree with you on Michigan. Brady Hoke is an excellent coach and will keep Michigan among the elite, but there is definitely a divide between Bama and UM.
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| | | 21 | PromizeCell
ID: 57571713
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 09:03
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That darn over-hyped over-ranked Alabama manhandling Top 10 Michigan... Who was that cute team USC was playing? When was last time Hawaii was relevant 2006-7? Looking at USC schedule no wonder they are heavily favored. All I see is Oregon on their schedule.
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| | | 22 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 09:59
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I can't envision a world where Lane Kiffin coaches for a National Championship...he will screw up somewhere along the way.
No thoughts on the dawgs?
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| | | 23 | Seattle Zen
ID: 3603123
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 14:37
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What a great sight, Mikey Tettleton's boy beating Penn State. GO BOBCATS! I'm with Frick and you, Slizz, I was so sick of seeing Penn State's season opening rally, daily updates about who was going to sue who over the Freeh report. Announcements on the ticker that the Paterno family was going to be at the game. PUKE! Way to go OHIO!
The Huskies look very good at times last night. The first quarter Keith Price and the offense was razor sharp. The defense was much, much improved from last year. They were stout until the fourth quarter.
We may have lost our starting RB to a knee injury, our second string is a tiny, fleet little guy, not an every down back. The OLine was pretty bad and that concerns me. Keith Price is a top 10 QB but if his line does not protect him, he'll be running for his life. Austin Seferian Jenkins is a man child. The kid may not turn 20 until the end of the month, but he would make an NFL roster today, he is 6'6" 266lbs. and f'ing FAST. He's an All-American.
Here's the dilemma - They play three of the top five teams in the nation in their next five games, oh, and #19 Stanford, too. They will beat Portland State, if they can win just one of the other four, that will have them at 3-3 and I honestly think they will run the table, winning their last six. The Huskies have upset USC more than once in the last dozen years, maybe we can make the SEC fans happy again on 10/13.
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| | | 24 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 16:30
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Promize, I think it's cute how you keep saying the word cute. I think it is even cuter that you are a Bulldog fan riding on the Crimson Tide jockstrap, especially when you could be talking about that impressive win over Buffalo (or your other favorite team's win over Southeastern Louisiana). I see one decent opponent on the schedule for Georgia this year and it is South Carolina, who barely beat Vandy.
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| | | 25 | Tosh
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ID: 057721710
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 18:00
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The Oregon Ducks will have a solid team this year. The offensive is as fast and deeper than ever. De'Anthony Thomas will score a lot of TDs. Freshman QB Mariota showed skill and poise in his first game last night. The defense will give up points, but that happens in the PAC-12. The Duck beat writers are saying the defense may be the best the Ducks have ever had. It will be hard to out-score the Ducks.
The starters were benched yesterday with 8:00 left in the 2nd quarter, ahead 50-3. Oregon should play USC twice ... @USC Nov 3, and the Championship game. As the Duck fan here, I relish the chance for a re-match with anyone from the SEC on Jan 7, 2013.
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| | | 26 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 27731299
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 19:18
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TB: Do you think Bama is over-rated/over-hyped? Answer honestly.
As an Auburn fan, I'm not looking forward to this year's Iron Bowl. While it's supposed to be a game that either team can win, if Bama plays the way they did against Michigan and Auburn plays the way they did against Clemson, it'll be a long night for us Tigers fans.
Realistically, Bama showed nothing to change the perception that the road to the championship will go through them again this year. Sure, it's early and upsets will happen, but (I REALLY hate saying this) Bama looked ridiculously good.
I don't think much will really be known about USC until they play Oregon. Until then, they don't have any teams that stand out as true tests. Unless Bama, LSU, And Oklahoma all lose before Nov 3, I could see any one of them (or multiple of them) leapfrogging USC in the polls before then just because of USC's fairly lackluster schedule.
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| | | 27 | slizz
ID: 49112211
Sun, Sep 02, 2012, 23:49
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SZ - Glass always half full with the Huskies...love it.
I sincerely hope U-W pulls an upset over USC on the 13th...
The Good: They'll be at Husky Stadium and USC will be coming off of a Thursday night game @ Utah (which won't be easy, but they should definitely win it).
The Bad: Three games vs the Pac 12's elite back 2 back 2 back. Hopefully they won't be too beat up after that murderer's row of games (vs Stanford, @ Oregon, vs USC).
Tosh - Oregon is always entertaining to watch. I would LOVE to see them matched up vs Oklahoma State or West Virginia in a BCS game. The offensive production would be ridiculous.
The SEC is just a different animal. KKB should agree with me that when Auburn won the National Championship they were about the 4th or 5th most talented team, recruiting wise, in the SEC (behind the usual powerhouses - 'Bama, LSU, Florida)...and were vastly superior to Oregon. That's saying something about the overall talent level of the SEC. To Chip Kelly's credit he was able to keep Oregon in the game despite the physical disadvantage they had.
TB - In Promize's defense, consider this: Georgia was playing without three of their defensive starters due to suspensions. This allowed some young talent to get playing time that, under normal circumstances, they would not get. Two out of the three players suspended were anchors on the UGA defense (Rambo and Ogletree)... basically the equivalent of my Notre Dame squad losing Te'o and Slaughter. Things will only get better for the Dawg defense as the season unfolds (barring injury of course!).
See Promize...I can come to your defense too ;)
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| | | 28 | TB
ID: 451028614
Mon, Sep 03, 2012, 01:12
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KKB - No I don't, lol. They do look impressive. I was just getting the conversation going.
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| | | 29 | Promize
ID: 447211612
Mon, Sep 03, 2012, 20:03
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I haven't said one word about our Dawgs, because I think we have the biggest cupcake schedule in the land. It is sort of embarrassing to be honest.. But I'm not prouncing around talking about how the Dawgs should be National Champions this year or how Murray should be the Heisman hopeful. I imagine Murray stats are going to be about the same of Matt Barkley if not better. But with the silly cupcake schedules both teams have, how can you really say they are the greatest in the land.
If Mizzou was to win out this year, or even went 11-2 I would seriously look at Franklin as a Heisman contender. Playing Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, Texas A&M, Bama etc... Now that would be amazing.
Come on TB, honestly, between Bama's schedule vs USC schedule, who do you really think has the hardest road to the BSC championship.
I agree with Slizz, with Kiffin leading you all, I'm sure USC program will be under investigation again real soon. And I'm sure he will jump ship real quick so he doesn't get in trouble for it.
The SEC team that sort of impressed me over the week was Auburn. They didn't have it all to beat Clemson, but they looked a lot more balance then what I thought they would look.
You also mentioned how ESPN was all over SEC jock... All I kept hearing from highlights was how USC has the Heisman and National Championship locked up.
I mean, I realize the PAC was relevant once... And trash talking is fun, I don't mind it... But until someone proves otherwise, the BCS title is the SEC title till someone knocks them off.
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| | | 30 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 41450296
Tue, Sep 04, 2012, 00:41
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Georgia has a cupcake schedule... until they reach the SEC Championship. Last year's result showed that UGA wasn't ready. Not sure about this year, but (likely) facing Bama or LSU will be a full season's worth of SOS in one game.
I was also fairly impressed with Auburn, despite the loss. It was a huge improvement on last year's game despite Clemson returning a LOT of key players. Auburn was a few missed tackles and a more favorable fumble call away from OT or even a win. With Auburn's relative inexperience at QB and O-Line, I thought they performed well. Most importantly, there's a clear shift in mentality with the new OC and DC back to a more traditional brand of Auburn football. Miss. St
should not take them lightly because of that first game's result.
Player to Watch: FB Jay Prosch. The All-American transfer bowled over many Clemson defenders. He was granted a waiver because of his mother's cancer. Sadly, she died today. If he plays, he's going to have a LOT of aggression to take out on opponents.
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| | | 31 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 27731299
Tue, Sep 04, 2012, 12:02
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Unless Bama, LSU, And Oklahoma all lose before Nov 3, I could see any one of them (or multiple of them) leapfrogging USC in the polls before then just because of USC's fairly lackluster schedule.
That didn't take long. Latest AP Poll has Bama ahead of USC with 45 first-place votes to USC's 11. Voters clearly placing emphasis on strength of opponent.
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| | | 32 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sun, Sep 09, 2012, 11:00
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Some pretty good games yesterday. I thought Texas A&M was going to beat Florida after watching the first half yesterday. Manziel is a fun player to watch. Florida made a great halftime adjustment and figured out how to contain him in the 2nd half. I thought A&M should have tried to run more on 1st and 2nd down.
Georgia/Mizzou - prior to the game, a part of me thought Missouri could pull this one out. Watching pre-game shows, some people were saying the same. Through three quarters I was convinced Missouri was going to pull it out. Missouri imploded...Georgia exploded...welcome to the SEC indeed.
I was watching the UCLA vs Nebraska game at the same time. UCLA offense looked great. I was a little concerned for UCLA when Hundley botched up that slide and injured himself and he was still limping after the game. They need him to stay healthy. Franklin had another great game with a couple very amazing runs. The Bruin defense looked very good on several series, especially in the 2nd half.
I didn't get to watch USC vs Syracuse, but I did get to see LSU vs Washington. I had to turn away from that game quite a bit. The Huskies started off okay and I thought it was going to be a decent game, but it turned out to be a brutal loss. Washington looked slower, less athletic/physical, and LSU ran at will on them. I expected Price to cause them fits, but he looked very average against that defense.
A couple big upsets with ULM beating Arkansas and Oregon State beating Wisconsin. I only caught the high-lights of the Beavers victory, but when I saw the Warhawks forced OT, I flipped over and watched it. Ballsy 4 down call and exciting final play.
Tough loss for Penn State. You know their kicker is going to have nightmares for a long time.
Arizona and Arizona State both with nice wins. KSU spanked Miami - didn't expect that. Auburn at 0-2 with ULM, LSU, and Arkansas on deck.
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| | | 33 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 1086912
Sun, Sep 09, 2012, 13:06
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Some pretty good games yesterday.
Some pretty terrible games yesterday, too.
I thought Auburn's defenders not being able to tackle was more of a Clemson issue than an Auburn issue. I was wrong.
I thought QB Kiehl Frazier did okay against Clemson and was on the rise. I was wrong.
With the amount of experience Auburn has on defense, the missed tackles are inexcusable. And with no other real options at QB (Mosley is injured and 3rd string is true freshman), Frazier is going to have to fix whatever's messing with him.
This is the most disappointed I've been in Auburn football in quite some time. They'll need a huge week at practice to get things straight.
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| | | 34 | TB
ID: 451028614
Sun, Sep 16, 2012, 17:39
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It didn't take very long for USC to let me down this season. Stanford played them tough and has their number. Early on in the game I was thinking that even if they win this game, there is no way they are going undefeated in the PAC 12. They look so average against the run.
The Raiders getting beat down in Miami today capped off the perfectly depressing football weekend....sigh.
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| | | 35 | PromizeCell
ID: 57571713
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 01:43
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I'm not exactly sold on Georgia yet. They keep giving up the big play on passing and not deciding to play till second half. If we get pass Vandy will have a full defense roster finally.
I can honestly say SEC is not stacked from top to bottom this year. Overall we are looking pretty bad. I still don't think anyone knocks off Bama.
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| | | 36 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 09:16
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Agreed.
At least we shouldn't have to worry about Lane Kiffin coaching for a national championship.
TB - their o line is terrible as well...
But it's so early in the season where a team can play for a title or BCS game despite a loss. If that happens later on...game over, but sitting a 12 when you know my man, Head Ball Coach, is gonna drop one...Norte Dame is bound to lose one as well with that qb...they'll be back in the top 10 before you know it.
Say what you want about Petrino...but he was one heck of a college football coach. Granted he was quite average vs the elite of the SEC...but he won the games he was supposed to win and made Arkansas relevant despite their recruiting disadvantage.
KKB - you at least had the season of cam ;)
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| | | 37 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 24650229
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 10:18
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It didn't take very long for USC to let me down this season.
Barkley, too. The Winners/Losers article on Yahoo already says he may be out of the Heisman race because of his lackluster game. I think that's overreaching a bit, but he has 4-5 weeks worth of games that critics aren't going to pay much attention to. He's certainly opened the door for competitors.
KKB - you at least had the season of cam ;)
Very true. But, the one downside to that year is that it made Guz Malzahn look like a genius and a lot of Auburn fans are wishing he'd taken any number of job offers he had after that season. Instead, we're stuck with Frazier and that's not working out well at all.
I'm really hoping Chizik can survive this year and get to next year with (now true freshman) Jonathan Wallace at QB. All the talk out of Summer camp was about how great Wallace was and I think he fits OC Loeffler's system much better. We'll see... hopefully.
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| | | 38 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 10:38
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I think that national championship will buy him a year...
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| | | 39 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 10:44
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Speaking of heisman...I haven't read any publications or articles as its so early, but my pick would be Marcus Lattimore as the frontrunner over Barkley.
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| | | 40 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 24650229
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 15:27
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Lattimore? They've played three walkover teams and he's averaged just over 78 yards per game. And it's not just the fact that the games were blowouts that limited his yards. He's "only" averaging 4.9 YPC, which is in line with his career... and QB Conner Shaw's 4.5 YPC. Compare that to Monte Ball's Heisman Finalist 6.3 YPC last year.
With every team knowing that if they stop Lattimore, the QB (whichever one Spurrier's happiest with at that second) is bound to make mistakes, I just don't see him getting the room to make a serious run (pun intended) at the Heisman. He might get votes, but something is going to have to REALLY change about SC's offense for him to get the stats.
Here's CBSSports's Week 3 Heisman Watch. It's way too early to agree/disagree with most of the list, but I'm extremely intrigued by Johnathan Franklin. However, his schedule catches up with him at the end... right when voters are trying to decide.
I'd also keep an eye on Tajh Boyd. This Saturday might make/break his chances as the rest of his schedule is opportunity waiting to happen. If Boyd and Clemson can beat FSU on the road, they might be undefeated by the time voting takes place...
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| | | 41 | Promize
ID: 447211612
Mon, Sep 17, 2012, 17:31
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I like Lattimore a lot, but Gurley of Georgia has better numbers then him as of yet. Gurley avg 9.9 per carry.
Georgia was putting the push for Jarvis Jones for Heisman, but not sure missing a game because of injury last week is going to hurt him.
Obviously, Murray put up huge numbers last week and moved himself way up on the list. His test will start now for the next 5 weeks against SEC opponents.
I'm sure De'Anthony Thomas is going to get a huge push by the West Coast media since their boy Barkley failed them.
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| | | 42 | slizz
ID: 49112211
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 10:05
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My pick of Lattimore is solely based on last seasons' performance before he got injured. It was off the top of my head without even looking into the stats.
That is a good article on the Heisman favorites and I don't think you can count Barkley out of the race. There is still a very good possibility they can run the table. I happened to be listening to "The Herd" and Cowherd made a great point about the USC/Oregon/Stanford dynamic:
-Stanford is built to beat USC
-USC changed their entire recruiting direction so they can Oregon
-Oregon is built to beat Stanford and teams like Stanford
So, if USC runs the table...that loss to a top 25 Stanford team wont look as bad. Will it get them a National Championship...probably not. But they'll be in the Top 5.
As for Braxton Miller...he is awful as a QB. He, like Denard Robinson, are basically glorified runningbacks...especially in that Urban Meyer system. I am surprised they have him that high.
My sleeper on that list is Collin Klein, the TD monster from K-State...he won't ever get the love he deserves b/c he's at K-State and they likely won't be playing for anything as they'll suffer a loss vs one of the Big 12 squads.
I know WVU has played creampuffs, but Geno Smith's numbers are unreal. 88% completion ratio and 9 TD's to 0 INT's over two games.
KKB - you think Auburn makes the game competitive at home this weekend???
I'm saying no...and just when we're ready to write off Auburn, they rattle off 5 straight wins (Arkansas, @ Ole Misserable, Nail Biter in Vandy, ugly W vs A&M, creampuff win vs NMST) and are 6-3 hosting UGA with some confidence.
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| | | 43 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 24650229
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 12:21
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USC will finish high because voters like them... and Kiffen for some reason. As long as they stay less than 4 losses, they'll be ranked. They could even finish top 10 with 2 losses, IMHO.
I'm also not sold on Braxton Miller... yet. He'll be interesting to watch as the season progresses.
I read somewhere the Geno Smith has as many TDs as incompletions on the year. That's just stupid good... regardless of schedule.
Auburn? My heart wants to say that keep it competitive against LSU this weekend. Everything I'm hearing out of practice sounds like the right things. That said, LSU is scary good. If "Less" Miles shows up (the one that gets all crazy with his play-calling), then Auburn has a shot. If Les Miles shows up, probably not.
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| | | 44 | Frick
ID: 14082314
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 13:46
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Eric Crouch and Charlie Ward wanted me to mention that the best quarterback, let alone player, don't always win the Heisman.
I saw part of the Boise St game last night. Actually, I saw about 2 minutes before I had to turn it off as I couldn't see the Boise St players. I like the blue turf, but wearing the same color uniforms was a major turn-off. It might be a home field advantage, but it doesn't help the national audience take them seriously. You want to play with the big boys? Act like a big boy.
I'll be watching the ND/Michigan game and waiting to see if ND can turn Denard into a decent passing QB for the third year in a row. I'm not sure what ND's magic is, but he had decent spurts throwing against them.
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| | | 45 | Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Fri, Sep 21, 2012, 13:55
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I completely agree on Boise State, Frick. I can't stand the color scheme.
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Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Sep 23, 2012, 22:36
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[27] Oregon is always entertaining to watch. I would LOVE to see them matched up vs Oklahoma State
Arizona beats OSU 59-38. Oregon beats Arizona 49-0. Next.
Finally a real opponent for the Ducks (I bet Kansas State is feeling happy they backed out of the previously-scheduled game from last week). The defense looks to be as good as advertised. Six trips to the red zone for Arizona and zero points.
Despite getting 495 yards total offense, I saw a lot they can work on. They were not clicking, and scored only 13 points in the first half. DAT and Barner were not able to get to the sidelines, and both were held to less than 100 yards rushing. Mariota was occasionally rattled at QB, and looked like the freshman he is. But a new 2nd half package of the backup QB, and the TE as RB was a big offensive spark.
Bring on USC.
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| | | 47 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 24650229
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 09:24
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Auburn? My heart wants to say that keep it competitive against LSU this weekend.
I'm glad Auburn kept it competitive, but at the end of the day the offense is pretty terrible under Frazier. He's taking way too much time before throwing the ball (or running). That may have worked in high school, but it's not going to work in the SEC.
With a week off before a home game against Arkansas, I'm hopeful they'll bring true freshman QB Jonathan Wallace into the offense some more. If nothing else, they can start planning for the future.
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| | | 48 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 10:58
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You were right. Too bad their offense didn't show up. Winning that turnover battle was huge in keeping it close early on. They were +2 at halftime. That offense was awful and it's inability to move the ball had some type of effect on momentum.
Either way, they should be 6-3 facing what looks to be an 8-1 Bulldog team (one loss @ my boy spurriers expense!).
What were your preseason expectations for the Tigers? Record wise.
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| | | 49 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 24650229
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 15:41
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Preseason, I was expecting them to equal or improve on last year's 8-5 record. I figured losses to LSU and Bama were pretty much a given with the turnover of both of Auburn's coordinators. But, I was hoping they could pull out a win (instead of a loss) against Clemson, Arkansas, and/or Georgia.
Clemson clearly didn't happen and then MSU happened. But, I think MSU will be offset by Arkansas, particularly with a home game for that one.
I'll stick to the 8-5 prediction and hope for 9-4... or better (with a ridiculous amount of luck).
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ID: 177192916
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 16:05
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Eric Crouch and Charlie Ward wanted me to mention that the best quarterback, let alone player, don't always win the Heisman.
I am very confused by this statement. Charlie Ward both won the Heisman and was the best QB (and player) in the nation, by a mile.
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| | | 51 | Boikin roaming
ID: 58212419
Mon, Sep 24, 2012, 20:21
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I think Charlie Ward just takes a hit because he made the smart choice and realized the being an NBA player is much better choice then an NFL player. Can't blame him there.
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ID: 49112211
Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 14:59
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co-sign with Boikin.
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| | | 53 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 14:47
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SZ - how you feeling about tonights matchup???
Washington is only a TD dog. At home...
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| | | 54 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 14:48
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I'll probably watch that over the NFL game because the browns are just PAINFUL to watch...
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| | | 55 | Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 14:53
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Heh. An easy Football Pickoff selection there.
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| | | 56 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Thu, Sep 27, 2012, 20:52
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As long as Brandon Weeden is at qb...yes.
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| | | 57 | PromizeCell
ID: 57571713
Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 07:50
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Wow. Washington....
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| | | 58 | Seattle Zen
ID: 468232814
Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 15:23
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Bow Down!
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ID: 57571713
Fri, Sep 28, 2012, 18:17
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Wow. Washington....
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| | | 60 | Perm Dude
ID: 56832185
Sat, Sep 29, 2012, 19:03
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Buckeyes!
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ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 14:07
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Ok college football guys... with Santonio and Revis gone who should I be watching and hoping the Jets get with the 2013 #1 Pick?
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| | | 62 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 14:26
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You'll hear talk of Geno Smith...his numbers are extremely impressive. I just have a hard time buying into these spread college qbs (see Graham Harrell and Brandon Weeden...weeden is a product of that WVU system designed by Hologresen) when they get to the NFL.
My money is on Matt Barkley. If you read Bill Barnwells piece on Mark Sanchez...you'll agree qb is the way to go. He passes the eye test, will be able to handle the big market, and can make all the NFL.throws. Now will the jets fanbase buy into another USC qb?? I dk.
I think there is an outside chance they take that DT from Utah Star Loutouleli (sp?). NFL comparison is Ngata...and Rex loves him some Ngata.
Last, the safest pick is.the best offensive tackle available. Only busts have been mandarich and gallery. The rest have at least made solid pros. Verdict is still out on Jason Smith.
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| | | 63 | Building 7
ID: 87592712
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 15:12
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The Jets are in 1st place.
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| | | 64 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 02, 2012, 15:19
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The Jets will be lucky to win 4 more games this year.
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| | | 65 | PromizeCell
ID: 57571713
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 21:58
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Yes I'm embarrassed... Obviously our young offensive line was highly exposed tonight.... Also obvious we have been playing candy teams up to now.
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| | | 66 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 12:04
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I'm not a college football fan by any stretch of the imagination. I enjoy watching B1G teams when I've got a free Saturday, but I have to ask... is this Notre Dame thing for real or are they just over-hyped because it's ND? I feel like they're due to get killed by Stanford and USC, but if they run the table will I (someone who lives in Northwest Indiana, but can't stand Golden Domers) have to deal with ND being in the National Championship game and potentially ending the SEC's dominance?
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| | | 67 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 12:19
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They're for real and I think they will be the team that ends up playing Alabama in the national championship...and no they won't win.
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| | | 68 | Frick
ID: 2193319
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 12:47
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ND has a very good front 7 this year, with a young secondary that is masked by front 7. They also have a decent O-line.
The B1G is awful this year, at best. I think ND will stumble at some point this year, but a bigger tripping point will be Oklahoma, IMO. But Stanford and the trip to USC are not going to be easy either.
ND is a good team this year, but I don't see them competing with Alabama for a NCG. Something to remember, ND typically gets into a "better" bowl game than what they deserve by their on field product. The main reason, is they fill seats and bring eyes to the TV. Who do you think most Bowl games wants? The 2nd or 3rd place ACC/B1G/Pac10/SEC team or ND? Who is more like to sell tickets and create buzz, even if they get beat in the game. The Bowls are not about the best teams and good match-ups. Like most things in college sports now, its about money.
Looking back through the thread. Does anyone feel that the B1G is any good this year? I'm a B1G fan, but they are awful this year.
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| | | 69 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 13:00
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@Frick I was hopeful that Northwestern would run the table and cause someone to say "Well how good is Northwestern and should they be in the NCG discussion?" but yeah, the B1G is awful. Michigan State or Wisconsin is going to get murdered by USC in the Rose Bowl.
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| | | 70 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 24650229
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 15:54
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But, I think MSU will be offset by Arkansas, particularly with a home game for that one. I'll stick to the 8-5 prediction and hope for 9-4... or better (with a ridiculous amount of luck).
*facepalm*
I didn't think I'd say this in October this year, but thank God I'm a Nats fan.
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| | | 71 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 15:57
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The B1G is awful this year
OSU looks pretty good, but they will be staying home unfortunately.
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ID: 2193319
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 16:47
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True, OSU does look pretty good, but they are essentially playing exhibition games every week. The same goes for Penn St. for the next few years. The only impact they can really have is, to damage a team that is eligible for a bowl game.
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| | | 73 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 17:11
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Also, their success will hurt recruiting a bit for other teams if they continue to win games.
Does playing OSU count either way in the BCS standings, since OSU is not BCS eligible?
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ID: 310111515
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 17:29
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I have to hand it to Penn State. Nobody would have complained if they went 3-9 this year, but they are fighting with every ounce of their being in every game. Yeah the games dont really mean anything in the end, but you can't tell the players or students that.
It will benefit recruiting also to win games as they have done. Kids will want to come there if they see there's a good coaching staff in place and they can win games.
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Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 17:35
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It took six weeks, but the Oregon Duck offense was finally OK from start to finish.
The defense has been looking great thus far, but the offense looked young (even though they average 52 pts/gm). The freshman QB is showing improved decision making, but definitely has game. And when the opponent focuses on D'Anthony Thomas, Coach Kelly has been able to come up with a different successful gameplan.
Bring on USC.
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| | | 76 | Frick
ID: 157331422
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 20:37
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I assume that playing Ohio St or Penn St (or USC the last 2 years) hurts/helps a teams rankings in the computer models.
Penn St can have a great coaching staff, but it is going to be hard to recruit players who can't compete to win a championship until their junior or senior years. It will be interesting to see how their recruiting does over the next 4 years.
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| | | 77 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 14:31
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Last night, Oregon QB Marcus Mariota threw for a TD, ran for a TD, and caught a TD.
Achievement unlocked.
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| | | 78 | Seattle Zen
ID: 3603123
Sat, Oct 27, 2012, 18:20
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Watching the "World's Largest Cocktail Party" and I do not see any top 10 teams out there on the field. This is not the SEC's year, too much mediocrity.
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| | | 79 | Seattle Zen
ID: 3603123
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 10:54
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Huskies have been HORRENDOUS on the road, something like 4-16 under Sarc. Tonight is a must win at Cal, a must win.
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| | | 80 | Seattle Zen
ID: 4811181319
Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 00:30
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That was an UGLY win.
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| | | 81 | Seattle Zen
ID: 4811181319
Sat, Nov 10, 2012, 16:25
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Today's brewing upset has been brought to you by the letters A and M.
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| | | 82 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Nov 10, 2012, 19:25
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Former Oregon commit Johnny Manziel finds a way to contribute for the Ducks after all.
S.E.Cya'.
Go Ducks!
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Leader
ID: 171572711
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 08:46
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Whoop.
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| | | 84 | C1-NRB
ID: 5410181016
Sun, Nov 11, 2012, 11:16
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Abso-whoopin'-lutely.
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| | | 85 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 12, 2012, 12:41
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It's still going to be Bama / Oregon...Bama will win out, get a boost by beating UF and when Norte Dame chokes at USC, they will finish ahead in the BCS...enter the nay-sayers who will be giddy about 2014...
Texas A & M is way better than I think we all thought...2 losses, both to top tier teams.
Bama's problem is arrogance...they often play man coverage with no help over the top because they believe, and are often right, they are just flat out better athletes than their opposition. LSU exploited that last week and provided that blueprint, which was executed perfectly by A & M. Gig'em.
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ID: 4811181319
Mon, Nov 12, 2012, 12:59
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Not so fast, Slizz. You have seemed to have forgotten K-State. Who is going to beat them? USC should be favored over ND, they are not for real. I see the Tide in the Sugar.
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ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 12, 2012, 13:11
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SZ - channeling your inner Corso???
I realized that after I posted...but the computers are gonna favor Bama over K-State, even if they win out...not to mention Bama will bring more $$$$....
Another correction is Georgia instead of UF...my bad.
For whatever reason, I have a gut feeling K-State is going to slip vs Texas...I have nothing to support that claim though. I feel because Texas has more "talent" overall they'll prevail.
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| | | 88 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Nov 18, 2012, 01:31
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S-E-C... S-E-C... S-E-C!!!!
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| | | 89 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Nov 18, 2012, 01:36
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I can't believe Oregon lost. I really can't. That's more shocking than k-state. Bill Snyder is an incredible coach, but I don't think he has the horses like the powerhouses to win or compete in a national championship.
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| | | 90 | Seattle Zen
ID: 4811181319
Sun, Nov 18, 2012, 11:54
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ND v. Some SEC squad is going to a terrible game, not even half as good as last night's Stanford v Oregon. PAC-12 is the top conference this year, but it's all about when you lose.
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| | | 91 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Nov 18, 2012, 14:22
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SEC. Cmon SZ...no way I take Oregon State or UCLA over anyone but maybe South Carolina without lattimore...
Alabama
Florida
LSU
Texas AM
Georgia
South Carolina
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's 6 teams in the top 10!
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| | | 92 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 09:02
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Just checked...5. For whatever reason I thought 2 loss south carolina was still in the top 10.
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ID: 177192916
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 09:27
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We'll see what the SEC is made of this weekend. If Florida, Georgia and South Carolina don't show well this weekend against their ACC rivals, ALL the SEC teams should drop since they've built their rankings on beating each other. If FSU and Clemson both win, they should both be ranked in the top 5. I am trying to figure out who Alabama has beaten to be ranked above all of the rest of the one-loss teams.
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ID: 3603123
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 11:21
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The SEC has figured this out. The whole conference had a bye week on Saturday, figuring it's best to loose early.
Oregon > Bama
Stanford > Florida
UCLA > LSU
Oregon St > Georgia
Huskies or USC > Cocks
Stanford got jobbed by the refs in South Bend. They should be the second ranked team in the nation, they just beat Oregon in Eugene and their only real loss is to the Huskies in Seattle, who are impossible to beat at home.
I've watched a lot of SEC games this year and I am not impressed at all with FLA or Georgia. LSU and Alabama have great defensive talent, but both have given up 400 yards in games to teams with decent but not great offenses.
You also have fourteen teams, so I left A&M off. I've only seen them in at Alabama game, don't really know them. I'm with Razor, I fully expect FSU and Clemson to win because this is not the SEC's year.
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| | | 95 | Seattle Zen
ID: 47630913
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 13:22
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Maryland going to the Big 10 is just wrong. I cannot wrap my head around the fact that they won't have home and home versus the Tar Heels and the Blue Devils every year in basketball. How are sports fans supposed to have institutional memories if you change the conferences every other year?
"Hey, kid, come play for Maryland, you'll get to play four maybe five games in Indiana and Illinois EACH YEAR". Yuck.
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| | | 96 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 13:51
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I dont think FSU is that good with Manuel...if FSU wins, it will be because of Brantley. Their defense is among the best but their offense leaves alot to be desired.
Clemson should beat South Carolina...The loss of Lattimore will hurt them in this game. It's amazing that Clemson isn't in the top 10.
No way Oregon State is better than Georgia...
I look at it as:
Alabama > Oregon >= Georgia / LSU > Stanford.
I firmly believe the rest are better than your PAC 12 brethren. LSU thumped your beloved huskies bc they're just bigger and stronger...with the same speed. I watched that game and pulled for your huskies, but they showed the o-line / d-line comparisons graphic and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to wonder why Washington got mauled...
That would happen vs the gimmick spread offenses that Oregon State and UCLA run. Their 4th or 5th WR is way worse than the 4th or 5th defensive back on a SEC squad...who will probably make a NFL roster bc of his size/speed alone.
As for A&M, their only losses are close ones vs Florida and LSU...their defense is prone to the big play still.
I'll let our resident dawgs fan post on why Georgia is a top team...
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| | | 97 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 13:53
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Maybe you haven't noticed, but 3 of the top 5 teams in hoops right now are in the Big Ten.
I get your point about year after year rivalries, but it isn't like they aren't playing pretty good teams.
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| | | 98 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 13:54
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Re Mayrland and Rutgers to the "BIG" - just what we need...more brutal football in that conference.
The basketball rivalry thing stinks...but it's all about the dollar nowadays.
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| | | 99 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 13:56
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Speaking of basketball....better watch out for my Blue Demons!
Oliver Purnell is gonna get us above .500!
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ID: 177192916
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 14:02
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It's amazing how TV money has changed/ruined college athletics. Kansas-Missouri, Maryland-Duke, Nebraska-Oklahoma, Texas-Texas A&M are no more. Instead, we've got Florida-Missouri, Maryland-Minnesota, Nebraska-Rugers, and South Carolina-Texas A&M. None of this crap makes any sense, except under the lens of ensuring the coffers of the conferences and universities are well-stocked.
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| | | 101 | Seattle Zen
ID: 47630913
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 14:12
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I'll let our resident dawgs fan post on why Georgia is a top team...
Promize post 65 Yes I'm embarrassed... Obviously our young offensive line was highly exposed tonight.... Also obvious we have been playing candy teams up to now.
Yep.
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| | | 102 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 14:15
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I kind of like Maryland in the BIG in basketball terms. As an IU fan it will be fun to have that National Championship replayed every year. Do Duke and UNC also want to join the BIG?
Also, go USC! Please, oh please beat ND. I'm already sick of Golden Domers and it's only been 24 hours.
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| | | 103 | Slizz
ID: 396121611
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 15:27
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Posted almost 1 1/2 months ago...
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| | | 104 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 15:36
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I really don't like Notre Dame, but they've got a very, very good squad this year.
If Ohio State hadn't messed up by assuming they wouldn't get a ban this season, this might have been the year of an ND/OSU championship game. A game where Zen would have gone out on a crime spree from all the frustration.
In college I once dated a girl who went to Notre Dame, who was flabbergasted that I wasn't a big fan of ND football on account of me being a Catholic. Their sense of entitlement is stiffling.
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| | | 105 | C1-NRB
ID: 5410181016
Sat, Dec 08, 2012, 23:03
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How about a little love for Johnny Manziel?
Gig 'em, Aggie! Whoop!
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| | | 106 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Mon, Dec 10, 2012, 14:37
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I'm glad Manti Teʻo didn't win. That would have made ND even worse to try to suffer through for another 5 weeks. "WE GOT OUR HEISMAN AND NOW WE GET OUR CHAMPIONSHIP". I may be in the minority here in Northwest Indiana but Roll Tide!
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ID: 87592712
Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 15:14
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They said we could take pictures today with the Heisman trophy for one hour in the MSC flag room. No football players or coaches will be there. Today is a big day for the 12th man. It's 12-12-12. They had a big deal going on at 12:12, also. Texas A&M has a trademark or something on the 12th man.
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ID: 27731299
Thu, Jan 17, 2013, 07:58
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This likely isn't the end of Te'o's side of the story.
I've had my fair share of long distance relationships and know many people who have had online relationships and there are too many aspects of this that aren't adding up in terms of Te'o's side of the story.
First, one of the common themes with people in online relationships is their desire to meet in real life (IRL). Most of these people move VERY quickly to meet IRL. In fact, many of them move TOO quickly to meet IRL.
So, where was the IRL meeting? Surely there was plenty of opportunity for the two to meet, no? A quick search indicates that ND's summer practice started in mid-August. Given that, June and July would have been ripe with opportunity for an IRL meeting of SOME kind. His "girlfriend" pushing that off would have raised red flags.
Second, Te'o was, at a minimum, complicit in the reporting of false information about his relationship. Several major articles point to Te'o and his "girlfriend" meeting IRL. Te'o certainly read those articles and then did nothing to refute what was obviously false information.
Third, another common theme to online relationships is the sharing of photos. Not sharing on a monthly basis. Not sharing on a weekly basis. We're talking sharing on a daily, or more frequent, basis. In the current digital age and with the proliferation of cell phones with cameras, sharing multiple photos a day is not uncommon in online relationships. Since the "girlfriend" was using fake photos stolen from a FB account, this just wasn't possible. If Te'o was completely duped, he would have been constantly requesting new photos only to be turned down on a very regular basis. That seems extremely unlikely to have been okay with him for as long as the "relationship" existed.
And this doesn't even begin to get into Skype (free!), Facetime (free!), or any other video chat possibility that would have been obvious for an online relationship and clearly couldn't have happened if we believe Te'o's story 100%.
The more I think about this, the harder it is to believe Te'o was just an innocent pawn in an elaborate hoax. I will not be surprised if he later admits to having some role in all of this. Whether that's as part of the creation of the hoax or just in continuing the storyline after he figured it all out remains to be seen.
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ID: 36111511
Sun, Sep 01, 2013, 01:06
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I'm reading about the Husky Stadium renovations and came across this gem:
...As workers put the finishing touches on the stadium — we were assured the place will be “99.5 percent” complete by game day, and what isn’t won’t be visible — we got the grand tour. I couldn’t help but notice that when we started, the scoreboard read, UW 31, Boise State 6, at the end of the third quarter. But by the time we emerged, that bit of wishful thinking had been erased, and it was 0-0...
I turn on the PAC12 network, and with 11 min left in the 4th what does the scoreboard read?
UW - 31
BSU - 6
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| | | 113 | Seattle Zen
ID: 3310162612
Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 12:53
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Post 112
NICE!
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