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Subject: RIFC 2013: Getting started

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 15:09
I am pleased to announce the 14 managers for the 2013 RIFC:
Holt
Bonka
youngroman
Wiggs
TD
Khahan
Smth32
s R
twilson
Judy
IAC
Kyle
Promise
Guru

This list includes the top-6 seeds from last year's RIFC (including the playoff winner), the playoff winner from each AAA league, all other AAA teams ranked in the top 3 for the regular season (including ties), and the (playoff) winner of the AA league. Although this comprises 15 teams, one manager declined the invitation. So the 14-team league is full.

Next steps:
1. Sign-ups for qualifying leagues. I will begin by notifying all of last year’s managers by email. Please check the address that you provided for your league last season. Those emails should go out shortly.
2. Discussion of possible rules changes. (We can use this thread for that. I'll post a recap of the 2012 rules momentarily.)
3. Discussion of any other issues that should be resolved before the start of the draft.

Once again, I plan to have the RIFC and all qualifying leagues hosted at myfantasyleague.com. The drafts will be held at MFL as well.

RotoGuru will pay the cost of all RIFC leagues. A voluntary donation of $5 per manager is suggested to help defray the cost. (Managers who have already contributed this year are exempted.) If you wish to donate to the cause, please see the instructions on the GuruPatron info page .

Last year, the draft began on August 26, and was completed in 7 days. This year, I would expect to draft under a similar time frame – starting on either August 25 or 26. The first game of the NFL regular season is on Thursday, September 5.
 
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 15:10 		RIFC Rules for 2012, as amended by league vote. Changes from 2011 are shown in italics.

Draft
“Banzai” format: Same as a traditional snake, except the third round is reversed. Thus, the team with the first overall pick has the last pick in rounds 2, 3, and 4.

Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
2 DL
2 LB
2 DB
1 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total

Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.

Offense Category Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2

Kicking Points
(apply to all players, including IDP)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0

Indiv Defensive Player Points
(apply to all players, including offensive players and kickers)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Tackle for loss 2
QB hit 1
Pass defensed 1
Sack 1 (half sack=0.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 2
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3
Blocked kick (FG, XP, punt) 2

Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.

In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.

Position eligibility
Except as defined below, a players position eligibility will be that assigned by the league hosting site.

If a player is listed at one position when drafted and that position is subsequently changed by the hosting site, the manager drafting that player may elect to retain the original position. In this event, that player will keep the drafted position eligibility until he is dropped or traded, at which time the eligibility will revert to the hosting systems default position.

Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday, using a blind bidding process. Each team will be allocated a budget for the regular season of $100, with a minimum bid of $1. Ties will be broken in favor of the current standings (with applicable tiebreakers), worst-to-first.

Starting at 3:00pm on each Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" Dropped players will not be subject to a one day waiver period.

Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process (blind bidding), with tiebreaking priorities equal to the reverse of the draft selection order (i.e, the order in which team selected their draft sequence.)

Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.

Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16

Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.

After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.

If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.

The trade deadline is the weekend following the final week with byes.

Stat corrections
Official stat corrections will be automatically applied. This typically happens on Thursday morning. In the playoffs, this can lead to an issue if a team is suddenly “back in the game”, but that team was unable to make roster moves the prior day. If a stat correction changes a playoff matchup at the last minute, then any impacted team will be given the opportunity to make a last minute roster move, if needed. The Commissioner will attempt to ensure that this provision is enabled as fairly as possible under the circumstances.

During the playoffs, once the first game of the week has started, no stat corrections will be allowed thereafter.

Playoffs
8 teams, single elimination
The 8 teams will be those with the top 6 W/L records plus the two other teams with the most points
The top four seeds will be based on W/L record (including applicable tiebreakers)
Seeds 5-8 will be based on total points for the other four playoff teams
Teams with equivalent W/L records are ranked based on total points first, then head-to-head record.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)

Blind bidding will continue throughout the playoffs. At the beginning of the playoffs, the top seeded team will receive an additional blind bidding allocation of $16, the second seed will receive $14, … with the 8th seed receiving $2. These allocations will be added to any balances remaining from the regular season. Any blind bidding ties during the playoffs will be awarded in favor of the better seeded team.

If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.

There will be no restriction on player add/drop transactions for teams still active in the championship playoffs. Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.

 
2Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 16:55 		I don't remember there being any future rule changes being raised last year, but that doesn't mean there weren't.

These aren't anything new, but maybe people have changed their minds:

rb/wr/te flex
ppr

Benches are somewhat deep already and the majority of those slots go to RB/WR. We could easily add a rb/wr/te flex position to cut down on the bench as well as increasing difficulty in fielding a strong lineup (and/or rewarding good depth drafting).

As far as the PPR, I wouldn't want 1 PPR for everyone, but rather .5 for RB, 1 for WR, 1.5 for TE. As it stands, WRs are undervalued compared to RBs and TEs are the worst of the bunch. Calvin Johnson was outpointed by Randall Cobb and was 28th overall. Six RBs outscored Calvin. That's just wrong. A PPR system like this would remove the huge emphasis on RBs. They're still big, but top guys at WR and TE are significantly more valuable.
 
3Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 17:15 		One thing that we need to discuss is blind bidding. Last year was the first year that we used this, and I think it generally went well, although there was some confusion.

Some of the confusion was that we did not use conditional blind bidding, so there was no way to prioritize blind bids, other than by price. We could certainly consider moving to conditional blind bids this year.

What is the difference between conditional and non-conditional blind bidding?
 
4Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 17:18 		Invites were just sent out to all 14 managers. If you were in this league last year, your password should have been retained. If you are being promoted, you will probably need to change your password before you can log in.
 
5Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 17:21 		The Commissioner Has Revoked Your Franchise Setup Rights

Need go enable most of that stuff it looks like :)
 
6I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 14615220
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 17:57 		I'm in... getting same MSG as Bonka on trying to adjust.
 
7Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 18:04 		1. I would like conditional bidding. I don't remember which one AAA #2 used last year but it was slightly confusing.

2. I really don't think we should add another starter position. Right now you have enough bench spots to plug in one position per bench spot with one spot left for a bonus player. Typically there's 2 RBs and 2 WRs and no K. This would only make fielding a team during bye weeks more difficult. That said I wouldn't be 100% against it.

3. I'm torn on PPR, but I feel like it would be benefitial to leveling out the field between top tier RBs and WRs. I also think it unfairly rewards some receivers. Maybe 0.75 for WRs and 1 for TEs and nothing for RBs.
 
8holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 19:50 		I'm not personally a fan of PPR leagues. It's the yardage that counts. I just don't see the point. I especially don't like the idea of giving different rewards to different positions for doing the exact same thing. Why should a TE get 3 times the reward of a RB? TE's score lower points than RB & WR because they are, after all, lowly TE's. Why artificially boost them?

While we are talking scoring changes. Does anyone else think that defensive linemen are scoring too many points now? Tackle, qb hit, sack, TFL... Can we take a look at it? Every week it seemed that I would look at the top overall scorers of the week and there were always a bunch of random defensive linemen scoring 15 or 20 points or more. I like that we made DL worth caring about. I just wonder if we've gone a little too far.
 
9Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 20:20 		I like the idea of high scoring IDP. I Ike scouting for these guys and sometimes they can do a better job than the offense. It is another dimension to drafting.
 
10Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 20:37 		I think it's more fun (and realistic) when the top players at different positions are valued as such. RBs are not high on the totem pole in the NFL, it's the guys who affect the passing game the most, QBs, OTs, DEs, CBs, that get the bigger contracts or drafted higher.

When it comes to traditional fantasy scoring, QBs and RBs are head and shoulders above everyone else and it just becomes boring, comparatively. Scoring systems that try to level all the positions out are really interesting, although the simple PPR change I suggested doesn't come close to my favorite scoring systems. The .5/1/1.5 PPR puts those positions on a more equal level so you have more viable options and more fun when putting a team together. Look at JJ Watt for example. In some of the scoring setups I've seen he was far and away the #1 player last year, and rightfully so. The guy had probably the best defensive season ever and finished 15th overall in an IDP league. All other DEs last year score less than kickers. Maybe I should have raised upping the IDP scoring instead or in addition :)

When you look at PPR scoring with the idea that only yardage counts, I can understand that point of view. But you can also then say why not play in a TD only league, since TDs are really the only thing that matters in the end. It's just more fun not to.

That said, I'm fine with playing as is, otherwise I wouldn't be playing still. Just trying to explain why the proposed changes could be more fun.
 
11The Beezer
      ID: 446241620
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 21:24 		Strongly urge moving to conditional bidding. Not a fan of any other changes at this time.
 
12Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Tue, Jul 16, 2013, 22:38 		I'm fine with conditional blind bidding or keeping it as is. As long as we're sticking with some sort of blind bidding.
 
13youngroman
      ID: 3913664
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 04:26 		I am also suggesting blind bidding.

I don't think we need to change the points system for RB/QB. if you compare Peterson and Calvin Johnson. nearly the same total yardage but the main difference is that Calvin only had 5 TD's.
just look at the RB's and WR's ranked 15 to 20. they have the same points. and the comparison between the first replacements (#33 RB, #49 WR) shows that they also score the same.

the same goes for IDP's. JJ Watt had a career year and was right behind the #2 and #3 RB. the next best defense players would still have ranked in the top10 at RB or WR.
 
14holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 05:02 		I personally don't have interest in trying to level the scoring for all the positions. IDP scoring is very random and harder to predict than offensive scoring. I love using IDP's but the efforts to level defense with offense is a bad thing, in my opinion. As we continue to give more weight to the less predictable (IDP scoring), it's like moving from Chess to Dominoes, so to speak.

PPR isn't wacky or anything. I just don't see the necessity of adding it to our scoring system after going so many years without it. Especially if it is only being proposed due to it being a way of artificially boosting TE's.

As far as the NFL totem pole thing goes, I don't see a lot of OT's/CB's being drafted in fantasy leagues (for obvious reasons). You won't ever have a fantasy league where player values are the same as in the real NFL. No minor scoring tweak will make it happen. That's something for the realm of Madden football, where good corners, tackles, punters, and blocking TE's have a use.
 
15Khahan
      ID: 39432178
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 09:36 		ugh, #2 pick. have to start doing some real research now. Not used to picking so high an any ri_c leagues.
 
16I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 154252315
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 12:32 		RE 14: "I don't see a lot of OT's/CB's being drafted in fantasy leagues (for obvious reasons)."

Obvious in that... we don't use O-Line guys. ;P

I realize you meant DT.
 
17Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 12:34 		Only the LBs come close to offensive players in this setup. To say the next best IDPs would be in the top 10 RBs/WRs is not correct. Only Watt and Von Miller scored enough to be labeled as so. A few other LBs were close, but as I said, those are only LBs, the other positions scoring was nothing to get excited about.

RB10 = 37 overall
WR10 = 46 overall
DL2 = 124 overall (Spencer wasn't a DL last year, but he would have been 107)
LB2,10 = 43, 78 overall
DB1 = 94 overall
TE1 = 88 overall
PK1 = 62 overall

Top 28 QBs would all be in the top 50-60 if they didn't miss games.

Here is a system that is extremely heavy on IDPs and tried to balance the scoring out.

http://football32.myfantasyleague.com/2013/top?L=45024&SEARCHTYPE=BASIC&COUNT=30&YEAR=2012&START_WEEK=1&END_WEEK=17&CATEGORY=overall&POSITION=*&DISPLAY=points&TEAM=*

Nothing will ever be perfect, but just looking at the scoring from last year makes it look like a lot of fun to play in if you really like IDPs. You'll notice a lot of LBs scoring well, but you also start more LBs than any other position (up to 4, you only have to start 1 RB and 6 offensive players vs 12 IDPs). Not suggesting we use this, but just wanted to show you that setup.

I do disagree that IDPs are hard to predict. It's really not much different from the offensive guys. The only position that is really a pain to predict and super volatile is team DEF and we already got rid of those.

Anyways, I don't think we'll end up swapping to any PPR based on current feedback so not much point discussing it, or rehashing the same info, further unless people who haven't chimed in yet were in favor of a change.
 
18I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 154252315
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 12:35 		PPR - I wouldn't mind seeing it come in. In fact, with this group of TEs this year, I think we'll see a drop off from previous years (ie. Pats TE issues, Gonzo/Gates age).
 
19Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 12:36 		Draft order isn't set yet. We'll get an order to select our draft slots at some point.
 
20Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 12:39 		Wanted to correct myself, that other setup I linked starts 6 offense and 11 IDP.
 
21holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 13:50 		re 16: I meant Offensive Tackle, due to their contracts and totem pole position being mentioned in #10. Was making the point that while offensive tackles are incredibly valuable in real football, they have no use in fantasy football.

There are no rule changes we can make that will make fantasy football similar to real football. So, instituting a new rule because it is more "realistic" seems pointless to me. Just my opinion.
 
22 Promize
      ID: 11651713
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 14:05 		What is link to league?

Can you send email with PW etc.

Thanks
Dirk
 
23Khahan
      ID: 39432178
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 14:25 		19 - I forgot about that. If you click on draft in the league page, it has an order there, but I forgot about the draft slot selection process so that is apparently just a holder order for now.
 
24Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 18:21 		Anything in the league site now (like draft order) is leftover from last year. We'll go through that process sometime in August.
 
25Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jul 17, 2013, 18:26 		[22] promize - just sent the invite again. The original went to your gmail address.
 
26twilson
      ID: 17681810
      Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 11:08 		I strongly support conditional blind bidding.
 
27wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 16:39 		Guru-
I got the invite, but i must have deleted the email with the link. Can you please send it again.
 
28wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Thu, Jul 18, 2013, 16:40 		I would prefer conditional bidding
 
29I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 154252315
      Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 09:27 		I'm all for conditional blind bidding
 
30Promize
      ID: 11651713
      Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 10:20 		Conditional is fine.
 
31Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 12:52 		Three managers have not yet checked in at the league site: Wiggs, TD, and Twilson. I just sent another invite to those three.
 
32wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 16:39 		I am in- it went to my junk folder.
 
33TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 22:17 		I checked into the league site after receiving 2nd invite.
 
34Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 01, 2013, 15:16 		Still have no franchise abilities.
 
35Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 02, 2013, 09:22 		Sorry - didn't realize those were still off. Just restored all franchise abilities.
 
36Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 11:57 		I'm going to use the randomize function in MFL to set the order for our draft selection round. We can then get started on that process.

Remember that our actual draft uses a Bonzai format, which means that it is a normal snake EXCEPT that the 3rd round is reversed. So the team picking first overall picks last in each of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.

I still plan to wait until the last weekend of August to start the actual draft -probably Sunday, August 25. Based on recent history, that should allow ample time.
 
37Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 11:59 		BTW, for audit purposes, you'll each get an email showing the random draft order. Just be aware that this order (the first round order) will only be used for our draft selection round, and not the actual draft.
 
38Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 12:06 		Here is the randomly determined order for our draft selection round:

1 Wiggs
2 s R
3 Bonka
4 twilson
5 Smth32
6 Judy
7 Holt
8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD


Wiggs, you can make your choice whenever your are ready. No rush. Just wanted to start this ball rolling.
 
39wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 16:30 		This was a difficult decision for me, but after thinking about it for a while I have decided to take

1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9)
10)
11)
12)
13)
14) Wiggs

sR you are on the clock

2 s R
3 Bonka
4 twilson
5 Smth32
6 Judy
7 Holt
8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
40s R
      ID: 3274072
      Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 03:40 		1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8)
9)
10)
11)
12)
13)
14) Wiggs

Bonka you are on the clock

3 Bonka
4 twilson
5 Smth32
6 Judy
7 Holt
8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
41Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 08:55 		1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8)
9)
10)
11) Bonka
12)
13)
14) Wiggs



4 twilson
5 Smth32
6 Judy
7 Holt
8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
42Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 11:59 		been a bit more than 2 days. any word from twilson?
 
43Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 14:16 		I'll email him...
 
44twilson
      ID: 7729914
      Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 15:29 		Sorry guys, I didn't expect us to kick off the draft order draft so early this year.


1) twilson
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8)
9)
10)
11) Bonka
12)
13)
14) Wiggs



5 Smth32
6 Judy
7 Holt
8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
45Smith32
      ID: 577451015
      Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 16:46 		I would like the 9 spot but I am having trouble copying and pasting the summary with my phone. Could someone please help?
 
46wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 16:51 		1) twilson
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8)
9)Smith 32
10)
11) Bonka
12)
13)
14) Wiggs




6 Judy
7 Holt
8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
47Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 17:01 		1) twilson
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9)Smith 32
10)
11) Bonka
12)
13)
14) Wiggs


7 Holt
8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
48wiggs
      Leader
      ID: 04991311
      Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 17:07 		Do we have a potential start date for this? I only ask because I know I will be moving into a new house hopefully next weekend, fingers crossed, and we have twins due on Sept. 9. I will have access but not really sure how much :)
 
49holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 18:38 		1) twilson
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9)Smith 32
10)
11) Bonka
12)
13) Holt
14) Wiggs


8 youngroman
9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
50youngroman
      ID: 3913664
      Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 18:50 		1) twilson
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9)Smith 32
10) youngroman
11) Bonka
12)
13) Holt
14) Wiggs


9 Kyle
10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
51Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 09:47 		I've consistently been suggesting a start date of Aug 25. No one has yet pushed back against that.

Expectation is that the draft will take about a week.
 
52Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 11:18 		Yeah, 25th is good for me. Just going to be busy with 4 drafts starting that day, one of them a live draft. Should be interesting.
 
53Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 16:12 		25th is good for me.

I'll take pick 12.

1) twilson
2)
3)
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9)Smith 32
10) youngroman
11) Bonka
12) Kyle
13) Holt
14) Wiggs


10 IAC
11 promize
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
54I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 14615220
      Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 17:51 		25th is fine for me.

I'll take pick 03.

1) twilson
2)
3) IAC
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9)Smith 32
10) youngroman
11) Bonka
12) Kyle
13) Holt
14) Wiggs


11 promize OTC
12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
55Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 17:57 		Jamaal Charles' foot may be ruining my strategy here.
 
56Promize
      Leader
      ID: 06757148
      Tue, Aug 13, 2013, 06:38 		25th is fine for me.

I'll take pick 02.

1) twilson
2) Promize
3) IAC
4)
5)
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9)Smith 32
10) youngroman
11) Bonka
12) Kyle
13) Holt
14) Wiggs


12 Guru
13 Khahan
14 TD
 
57Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 09:38 		I'll pick 4th.
Khahan is up

1) twilson
2) Promize
3) IAC
4) Guru
5)
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9) Smith 32
10) youngroman
11) Bonka
12) Kyle
13) Holt
14) Wiggs


13 Khahan
14 TD
 
58I_AM_CANADIAN
      Sustainer
      ID: 01361448
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 09:46 		Doh! I was hoping to avoid Bonka/Guru in this draft!
 
59Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 09:52 		1) twilson
2) Promize
3) IAC
4) Guru
5) Khahan
6) s R
7)
8) Judy
9) Smith 32
10) youngroman
11) Bonka
12) Kyle
13) Holt
14) Wiggs

14 TD


I'll let TD have the pleasure/honor of filling in his own name.
 
60Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 10:16 		IAC - I'm sure we'll drive each other crazy a few times...
 
61Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 14:36 		Shoot -- right next to TD. I know he'll take at least 2-4 of the guys I want. Phooey! But a challenge.
 
62I_AM_CANADIAN
      Sustainer
      ID: 01361448
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 14:57 		RE 61: I'd be more worried about watching the other side... Smith32 <-Seasoned Vet
 
63Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:08 		Well, just make the draft process easy - you guys all email me who you want and in what round. That way I'll know if I'm going to take somebody you want and can apologize ahead of time.
 
64I_AM_CANADIAN
      Sustainer
      ID: 01361448
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:12 		:P
 
65TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 21:08 		1) twilson
2) Promize
3) IAC
4) Guru
5) Khahan
6) s R
7) TD
8) Judy
9) Smith 32
10) youngroman
11) Bonka
12) Kyle
13) Holt
14) Wiggs
 
66Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 21:43 		62: not sure if I have been in a league with smith32?
 
67I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 14615220
      Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 21:48 		RE 66: Don't say you weren't warned! ;)
 
68Smith32
      ID: 39749157
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 08:49 		Re:[66] I feel like we may have both played in the AA league to help fill it last year. Apparently I was not a memorable participant. :)
 
69I_AM_CANADIAN
      Sustainer
      ID: 01361448
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 09:36 		A quick check of the old Draft Recap threads, re-enforces my opinion. Especially in 2008/2009 did Smith32 get a special acknowledgment for his drafting prowess.
 
70I_AM_CANADIAN
      Sustainer
      ID: 01361448
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 09:57 		BTW. That's one of the big things I tend to like about RotoGuru.

It's always had a focus on documenting (Rationals/Recaps). That makes it interesting to look back even a few years later to see "what's changed" and "what's the same".
 
71Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 10:41 		I set up the draft order at mfl.com. Feel free to check my work.
 
72Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 10:45 		Just a thought -

Does it make sense to use the MFL draft page to post our rationales (in the comment column)? The advantage is that it allows everyone to directly post in the proper spot without having to use placeholders - so it would significantly simplify my work! I'm not sure if the format would make things look to stretched - but I'm inclined to give it a shot.

If the formatting is unsatisfactory, I could probably copy it over to a traditional thread at some point for archival purposes.
 
73Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 10:55 		I actually did this last year in the AAA a bit. Quite a few people did.

It was nice and convenient and easy to use. Though, admittedly it made looking at the draft results page a little sloppy sometimes. But that's purely an aesthetic issue as it throws off the size of the different boxes.
 
74Smith32
      ID: 39749157
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 11:32 		Re 62,67,69 - Thanks IAC. I think you and I tend to approach the draft similarly (and/or use similar sources for our research), because your team always looks good to me post-draft. So I am glad we are not too close in the order.

I also went back and saw that I drafted beside Judy in AA last year and then went 20-6, so maybe that is a good omen. I probably stole everyone she wanted.
 
75Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 14:13 		Can also set up a spreadsheet on google docs and allow people to edit. Can copy the draft order in then let people fill in the player and comments once they make their picks.
 
76holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 16:02 		The disadvantage to doing rationales at MFL is that people outside the league might be less inclined to read them. And they also might be more difficult to go back and read a year or two down the line. Kind of nice having rationales archived here on the forum. Would there be any simple way to copy the rationales to the forum when the draft is done?
 
77Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 16:29 		How about what we did in AAA and do them in groups of five players/rounds. I thought the mfl ones were way too brief. I like the thought that most people put into their rationales and that doesn't really fit into the mfl format. Some people ke to write short stories and they are much fun to read!

That way guru would not have to do the placeholder, copy/paste stuff. Groups of five gives a story too as you can see the thought process in the sequential picks. Guru would just have to nudge the missing folks to get cracking!
 
78I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 14615220
      Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 08:22 		Do we have any decisions on rule changes for this year (sorry if I missed)?
 
79Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 08:59 		I think post 76 is most compelling factor to keep the rationales here on the boards. But maybe modify them as judy suggested. Put rationales up for rounds 1-5 and to cut down on the work people can post them in clumps.

Or if you'd want to keep them organized I can help w/ the transfer from here to the rationale thread.
 
80Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 17:49 		The only rule change is that blind bidding will be conditional.

We didn't vote on that. Decided by Guru fiat.
 
81Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 17:57 		I don't like the five-round grouping. We'll still have multiple laggards, especially when we are blasting through 3-4 rounds per day, and I think it flows better when it's all in sequence.

I could fairly easily copy from the MFL format into a forum thread - certainly after the draft ends, maybe even during the draft on occasion.

Maybe I could have people draft each rationale in a forum thread (out of sequence, as they come), and paste those into sequence at MFL, as the draft progresses, and then copy the entire draft back into a forum thread at the end. While that may seem like a circuitous route, I'm quite sure it would simplify my effort. At a minimum, it eliminates the task of setting up placeholders, which gets to be a real pain.
 
82The Beezer
      ID: 5226248
      Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 19:31 		81 - That sounds like a pretty good approach. Worth a shot.
 
83I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 14615220
      Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 20:05 		RE 80: OK, wasn't sure if PPR had gotten any traction or not?
 
84Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 09:54 		[83] PPR discussion never seemed to get much traction this year, and has been voted down several times in the past. So I never bothered putting it up again. There is some value in year-to-year consistency.

 
85mjd
      Dude
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 15:46 		Guru, will there be a link to follow all the drafts? Looks like AAA #1 starts today.
 
86Frick
      ID: 432501512
      Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 15:54 		AAA#1 started yesterday, we're midway through round #4.
 
87Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 08:53 		AAA#1 draft

There are links on that page to toggle between grid format and full format (vertical list).

 
88Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 20:59 		Is our draft now open untimed?
 
89Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 18:10 		Not that I know of. I'll probably open it on Saturday untimed.
 
90Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 18:11 		But I don't expect any picks to be made until Sunday. Openings a day early just gives people a chance to set up queues, etc.
 
91Bonka
      Sustainer
      ID: 019742310
      Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 18:54 		You can set queues and other pre draft stuff now.
 
92I_AM_CANADIAN
      Sustainer
      ID: 01361448
      Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 09:23 		FYI - I'm going to be out of town for the next couple days, but will be back at some point on Sunday. I'll try to check-in periodically, but my access will be spotty PRIOR to the 25th.
 
93Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 16:12 		[91] True. I'll probably just wait until Sunday to go live, then.