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Subject: G24 2013

Posted by: judy - Dude [7771722] Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 16:46

We have move to MFL for this season. More information coming. Please visit thread often to see where we are in the update.

Thanks.

Judy, GO and Ref

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Jul 28, 2013, 23:53

NEED EMAILS FOR:

gshade (Chiefs)
straydoug (Raiders)
ccrider (Bears)

working on initial invite just to get started. home page not ready yet though...

Doug
ID: 146192920
Mon, Jul 29, 2013, 21:32

GO has mine

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 10:27

Just don't have shade's confirmed.

skinneej
ID: 11192115
Tue, Jul 30, 2013, 23:44

Haven't seen any emails but I'm in.

ccrider
ID: 10714413
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 14:14

email sent to ref, GO and Judy. I'm in.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 14:25

I just sent out invites.

Post regrets only here.

The site is new, MFL. The only thing we (thanks GO, looks pretty!) have set up is the home pages with divisions, etc, team owners and the schedule they gave us as a default. I know our schedule was somehow special, but do we want to keep it or the default?

Also, the scoring is not in yet. I am going to assume that we match RIFC? If not, does anyone have a copy (.pdf) of our scoring so I can enter it. Won't take long, but I want to do it just once.

Other stuff (waivers, FA etc) to come...

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 14:33

I do have this for DST

Special Scoring for Defense/STs Name Settings
BFB Blocked Field Goals (ID/ST/DST) 3 points
BP Blocked Punts (ID/ST/DST) 3 points
BXP Blocked Extra Points (ID/ST/DST) 2 points
DFR Defensive/ST Fumble Recovered (ID/DT/DST) 2 points
DTD Total Defensive and Special Teams TD 6 points
Int Interceptions 2 points
PA Points Against, Total Points Scored 0 - 0 PAs = 21 points
2 - 5 PA = 14 points
6 - 10 PA = 10 points
11 - 14 PA = 7 points
15 - 15 PA = 6 points
16 - 16 PA = 5 points
17 - 17 PA = 4 points
18 - 18 PA = 3 points
19 - 19 PA = 2 points
20 - 20 PA = 1 point
21 - 24 PA = 0 points
25 - 28 PA = -1 point
29 - 35 PA = -3 points
36 - 42 PA = -5 points
43 - 49 PA = -7 points
50 - 99 PA = -10 points
SACK Sack 1 point
STY Safety 3 points
YDS Yards Allowed 0 - 149 YDSs = 3.5 points
150 - 174 YDSs = 3 points
175 - 199 YDSs = 2.5 points
200 - 224 YDSs = 2 points
225 - 249 YDSs = 1.5 points
250 - 274 YDSs = 1 point
275 - 299 YDSs = .5 points
300 - 349 YDSs = 0 points
350 - 374 YDSs = -.5 points
375 - 399 YDSs = -1 point
400 - 424 YDSs = -1.5 points
425 - 449 YDSs = -2 points
450 - 474 YDSs = -2.5 points
475 - 499 YDSs = -3 points
500 - 999 YDSs = -3.5 points

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 14:47

Anybody have any idea of the order of finish for last season?

1. Slizz (Bills)
2. Deepsnapper (Eagles)
3/4 Who won? TD (Giants) v mjd (Chargers)
5/6 Who won? skinneej (Packers) v gshade (Chiefs)
7/8 Who won? nerf (Lions) v yroman (Bengals)
9/10 Who won? ct (Browns) v Judy (Cardinals) I think Judy did?

17/18 Who won? doug (Raiders) v peter (Cowboys)

Also have this data from first round:

1 SD vs. 4. KC ---- CHARGERS
2. CIN vs. 3. BUF ---- BILLS

1. DET vs. 4. NYG ---- GIANTS
2. GB vs. 3. PHI ---- PHILLY

9: BALT vs 16: DEN ---- BRONCOS
10: NYJ vs. 15: CAR ---- CAROLINA
11: NO vs. 14: CLE ---- BROWNS
12: AZ vs. 13: CHI ---- ARIZONA

17: HOU vs 24: JAX ---- TEXANS
18: DAL vs 23: MIN ---- DALLAS
19: SEA vs 22: IND ---- INDY
20: SF vs 21: OAK ---- OAKLAND

Winning team is in all caps at the end...

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 15:04

On a roll here folks. Is this correct for scoring (except for the DST stuff listed above? I copied it from RIFC.

OK I put this into nice columns, but the site did not acknowledge them, sorry, you'll have to check it carefully... You can go here to see it on the RIFC MFL site in nice columns with lines and all...

http://football22.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=22327&O=09

Rules for QB, RB, WR, TE, PK, DT, DE, LB, CB, S
Number of Passing TDs 0-10 4 points each
Passing Yards -50-999 .04 point for every 1
Pass Int Thrown 0-10 -2 points each
Passing 2 Pointers 0-10 1 point each
Number of Rushing TDs 0-10 6 points each
Rushing Yards -50-999 .1 point for every 1
Rushing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Number of Rec TDs 0-10 6 points each
Receiving Yards -50-999 .1 point for every 1
Receiving 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each
Length of Field Goal Made 0-39 3
Length of Field Goal Made 40-49 4
Length of Field Goal Made 50-99 5
Length of Missed Field Goal 0-29 -1
Length of Missed Field Goal 30-99 0
Extra Points 0-100 1 point each
Extra Points Missed 0-10 -1 point each
Punt Return Yards -50-999 .1 point for every 1
Kickoff Return Yards -50-999 .04 point for every 1
Fumbles Lost (to Opponent) 0-10 -2 points each
Number of DST TDs 0-10 6 points each

Rules for DT, DE, LB, CB, S, QB, RB, WR, TE, PK

Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 0-10 2 points each
Forced Fumbles 0-10 2 points each
Interceptions Caught 0-10 3 points each
Passes Defensed 0-99 1 point each
Blocked Field Goals 0-10 2 points each
Blocked Punts 0-10 2 points each
Blocked Extra Points 0-10 2 points each
Tackles 0-99 1 point each
Assists 0-99 0.5 points each
Sacked a QB 0-25 1 point each
Quarterback Hits*** 0-10 1 point each
Tackles for a Loss*** 0-25 2 points each
Safeties 0-10 3 points each

*** I think these two stats are RIFC only???

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 17:10

2012 League setup

differences I spotted:
field goal made/missed scoring is different
more points for huge yardage (150yds, 400yds)
DST scoring
blocked FG/punt, interception, safety(all 4pts)
no QB hit / TFL

2012 regular season results

2012 weekly results (you can identify our schedule there as well as all playoffs results)

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 17:44

wow I had no idea about this scoring:

ReYd Receiving Yards
1 - 150 ReYds = .10 points for every 1 ReYd
151 - 999 ReYds = .125 points for every 1 ReYd

PaYd Passing Yards
1 - 400 PaYds = .04 points for every 1 PaYd
401 - 999 PaYds = .06 points for every 1 PaYd

RuYd Rushing Yards
1 - 150 RuYds = .1 points for every 1 RuYd
151 - 999 RuYds = .125 points for every 1 RuYd

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 17:54

thanks YR!

How do we use the weekly and playoff results to determine draft order?

playoff results:

1. Slizz (Bills)
2. Deepsnapper (Eagles)
3. TD (Giants)
4. mjd (Chargers)
5. gshade (Chiefs)
6. skinneej (Packers)
7. nerf (Lions)
8. yroman (Bengals)
9. Judy (Cardinals)
10. ct (Browns) v Judy (Cardinals)

17. doug (Raiders)
18. peter (Cowboys)

no idea how to fill in the rest...results of first two rounds in next post

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 17:56

first two rounds of playoff -- also see original seeding in post #8 above.

Period 14: 12/4/12 - 12/10/12 (Playoffs)
Kansas City Chiefs 97.9 at San Diego Chargers 124.3
Buffalo Bills 149.0 at Cincinnati Bengals 76.5
New York Giants 127.4 at Detroit Lions 98.9
Philadelphia Eagles 156.8 at Green Bay Packers 108.8
Denver Broncos 131.0 at Baltimore Ravens 79.0
Carolina Panthers 127.4 at New York Jets 119.9
Cleveland Browns 108.7 at New Orleans Saints 103.0
Chicago Bears 73.7 at Arizona Cardinals 111.3
Jacksonville Jaguars 77.1 at Houston Texans 157.7
Minnesota Vikings 40.9 at Dallas Cowboys 101.6
Indianapolis Colts 86.0 at Seattle Seahawks 76.1
Oakland Raiders 94.4 at San Francisco 49ers 90.7

Period 15: 12/11/12 - 12/17/12 (Playoffs)
Buffalo Bills 132.5 at San Diego Chargers 89.4
Kansas City Chiefs 121.5 at Cincinnati Bengals 110.8
New York Giants 125.8 at Philadelphia Eagles 163.3
Green Bay Packers 103.5 at Detroit Lions 101.0
Denver Broncos 89.2 at Arizona Cardinals 108.3
Cleveland Browns 82.1 at Carolina Panthers 80.6
Oakland Raiders 112.5 at Houston Texans 76.8
Indianapolis Colts 60.9 at Dallas Cowboys 112.3

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 18:05

moving along:

#24 Jax lost to #17 Hou so I will assume that Jax are #24 for draft
#23 Min lost to #18 Dal, so I will assume that Min is #23

Now what?

#21 Oak beat #20 SF and #17 texans, so...?
#22 Indy beat #19 Sea but lost to #18 dallas, so ...?

Dallas is #18 and Oak are #17 according to playoff record.

Help!

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 21:39

You can still access the CBS league - its just waiting for you to renew.

http://rfsrfs.football.cbssports.com/details

If you can't get to this I can copy and paste all the stuff in the pages and put it into a word document, if you want.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 21:48

Been doing some of that...

If you have time, make extras in case I/we don't get it all...

Thanks. I think we lose access on the 8th of August...

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 21:50

We do need the trade stuff. Where is it?

GO
ID: 13629419
Sun, Aug 04, 2013, 22:08

I have all the info copy and pasted into excel. I don't think there is anything more we need from last season. Will help during the week.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 13:55

Schedule is based on last ssns record. I have the schedule template but will need the order of finish in each division to get schedule set up. Again, I need to sit down with some time and figure out MFL and try and get it set up as close to CBS as we can. Maybe a time when GO and/or Judy can get on Gmail so we can chat as we figure it out.

GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 13:59

I guess we also need to figure out how important that is to everyone. Cause with one click we can get MFL to just have doubleheaders, play your division 2x, 3x, 4x (whatever you want) and have random games for the remainder.

Is it worth going through 13 weeks of doubleheaders to manually do all the matchups?

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 14:52

Well this also has a program that has division and conference games all planned out. It just takes time manually putting it into MFL.

Doug
ID: 146192920
Mon, Aug 05, 2013, 23:43

Yeah the spreadsheet calcs all the matchups automatically... how many vs. div vs. conf vs. other conf and uses placings to help with SOS... nothing random. All you have to do is enter last year's results... and then as Ref notes, the only tedious part is setting those matchups on the website.

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 16:30

Missing Rams DST

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 16:34

When listing missing players, please give your G24 team name as well. Thanks.

PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 16:48

Missing Falcons D/ST (Dallas Cowboys). It appears that most teams, if not all, are missing their respective D/STs.

Toral
ID: 1710311217
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 16:49

No idea where our MFL league site is.

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 17:19

G24@MFL

the Bengals are only missing the DST of the Ravens.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 18:21

Colts missing DST Bills

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 20:09

Giants missing DST Redskins

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 20:45

Yeah, not sure why def is missing. It is in the starting line up set up. I will explore more. Some folks are missing players too. Weird..

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 21:51

Jags missing titans... Well I wouldn't say missing, but not on the roster.

jseth333
Dude
ID: 24100310
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 22:53

The Niners are in the same position as the Jags…

Niners are missing the Lions…and are also not sure they are missing them all that much...

CT
ID: 9757622
Tue, Aug 06, 2013, 23:59

The Cleveland Browns are missing the San Diego Super Chargers DST.

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 01:21

Missing

Cary Williams DB
Chicago Bears DEF

Toral
ID: 1710311217
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 04:12

Missing

Andre Roberts WR Ari
Bengals DST

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 49725166
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 11:00

Broncos missing Patriots

Toral
ID: 1710311217
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 11:04

(35) Toral is New Orleans Saints

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 12:33

Chargers are missing 49ers and Raiders D/ST

Promize
Leader
ID: 06757148
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 12:49

Seahawks missing Packers

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 13:40

Ya know, I don't know if you guys caught on yet... but looks like Team D didn't import properly.

Promize
Leader
ID: 06757148
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 13:47

Don't know if this will help with setting up the draft, but this was the ending standings.

Teams	Wins	Losses
Jacksonville Jaguars	6	21
Minnesota Vikings	7	20
San Francisco 49ers	7	20
Indianapolis Colts	8	20
Seattle Seahawks	9	18
Oakland Raiders	10	19
Houston Texans	11	17
Denver Broncos	12	16
Carolina Panthers	12	16
Dallas Cowboys	12	17
Chicago Bears	13	14
New York Jets	14	13
Cleveland Browns	14	15
New Orleans Saints	14	13
Baltimore Ravens	15	12
New York Giants	16	13
Arizona Cardinals	16	13
Kansas City Chiefs	18	11
Philadelphia Eagles	19	10
Buffalo Bills	20	9
Cincinnati Bengals	20	9
San Diego Chargers	21	8
Green Bay Packers	21	8
Detroit Lions	23	6

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 14:08

Thanks promise. We can use that for draft order.

Toral
ID: 1710311217
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 14:24

That list includes playoff games that don't count, doesn't it?

Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 15:04

I (Vikings) am missing my team D, NO Saints, as well.

This team is always a shock to look at. It seems pathetic, then you remember that with 24 teams, all of the teams are going to look pathetic in some areas.

Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 15:05

Just looking around, did the Team Ds not import because they aren't turned on? When I look at setting a roster, I don't see a spot for Team D.

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 15:14

That would be a good reason. Judy's just kind of started the scoring/rules type stuff.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 15:25

working on scoring now. Def is listed in my scoring set up. Don't know what's going on. Maybe when I put the points in it will show?

Question:

do offensive players get credit for tackles, fumble recoveries or fumbles forced?

ie., Team A sam fumbles (boo), but he recovers and tackles, strips the ball and recovers the ball from the Team B guy who recovered his fumble. I know we do this in RIFC, but I do not see it in G24.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:20

do me a favor and see if you can add your defense to your team. I think i fixed the problem. Also add any missing player(s).

we are trusting you to be honest!! Plus I get emails whenever you do things like that!!

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:22

Scoring is completed except for question of 47 above.

also what about def guys who sometimes play offense? Do we want the offense rules to apply to all players? Also (#47) should defense scoring appy to offensive guys?

we do this in RIFC. All individual scoring applies to all individual players (I am pretty sure about that...)

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:30

I don't believe it crosses over in this league. Defense gets defensive stats and offense gets offensive stats only. The scoring matrix on CBS would say one way or the other, I am pretty sure that's the case.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:36

Here's the playoff results from last year. Maths should give use the regular season finish based on this. I hope someone has copied the standings going back somewhere, before the site dies.

Period 14: 12/4/12 - 12/10/12 (Playoffs)
Kansas City Chiefs 97.9 at San Diego Chargers 124.3
Buffalo Bills 149.0 at Cincinnati Bengals 76.5
New York Giants 127.4 at Detroit Lions 98.9
Philadelphia Eagles 156.8 at Green Bay Packers 108.8
Denver Broncos 131.0 at Baltimore Ravens 79.0
Carolina Panthers 127.4 at New York Jets 119.9
Cleveland Browns 108.7 at New Orleans Saints 103.0
Chicago Bears 73.7 at Arizona Cardinals 111.3
Jacksonville Jaguars 77.1 at Houston Texans 157.7
Minnesota Vikings 40.9 at Dallas Cowboys 101.6
Indianapolis Colts 86.0 at Seattle Seahawks 76.1
Oakland Raiders 94.4 at San Francisco 49ers 90.7

Period 15: 12/11/12 - 12/17/12 (Playoffs)
Buffalo Bills 132.5 at San Diego Chargers 89.4
Kansas City Chiefs 121.5 at Cincinnati Bengals 110.8
New York Giants 125.8 at Philadelphia Eagles 163.3
Green Bay Packers 103.5 at Detroit Lions 101.0
Denver Broncos 89.2 at Arizona Cardinals 108.3
Cleveland Browns 82.1 at Carolina Panthers 80.6
Oakland Raiders 112.5 at Houston Texans 76.8
Indianapolis Colts 60.9 at Dallas Cowboys 112.3

Period 16: 12/18/12 - 12/23/12 (Playoffs)
Buffalo Bills 164.5 at Philadelphia Eagles 143.9
New York Giants 130.6 at San Diego Chargers 107.0
Cleveland Browns 114.6 at Arizona Cardinals 138.6
Oakland Raiders 130.0 at Dallas Cowboys 101.4
Green Bay Packers 134.6 at Kansas City Chiefs 136.3
Detroit Lions 158.2 at Cincinnati Bengals 106.2

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:38

Its possible we never had it that way just cause CBS didn't offer it. I've always got those extra tackles in my other leagues on other sites... whether it be a special teams tackle or my WR tracks down a DB after an INT.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:43

promize -- we can't use just season W/L since we are in divisions. places 1-8 are determined by the playoffs and then there is a lottery for the bottom.

Here are what I believe to be are the playoff results:

1. Slizz (Bills)
2. Deepsnapper (Eagles)
3. TD (Giants)
4. mjd (Chargers)
5. gshade (Chiefs)
6. skinneej (Packers)
7. nerf (Lions)
8. yroman (Bengals)

places (9-24 stay unchanged regardless of playoff stuff. so 9 to 24 is:
#9 Balt
NYJ
NO
AZ
#13 CHI
CLE
CAR
DEN
#17 HOU
DAL
SEA
SF
#21OAK
IND
MIN
JAX

We need to run a lottery for the bottom dudes. I do not have the details for that, but think it is in last year's thread. I think Guru helped out.

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:44

We are officially closed out of CBS, but I believe we have all the information we need. Scoring is in place.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 16:58

I did the maths:

Teams
Jacksonville Jaguars 6 20
Minnesota Vikings 7 19
San Francisco 49ers 7 19
Indianapolis Colts 7 19
Oakland Raiders 7 19
Seattle Seahawks 9 17
Houston Texans 10 16
Dallas Cowboys 10 16
Denver Broncos 11 15
Carolina Panthers 11 15
Cleveland Browns 12 14
Chicago Bears 13 13
Arizona Cardinals 13 13
New York Jets 14 12
New Orleans Saints 14 12
Baltimore Ravens 15 11
New York Giants 14 12
Kansas City Chiefs 16 10
Philadelphia Eagles 17 9
Buffalo Bills 17 9
Cincinnati Bengals 20 6
San Diego Chargers 20 6
Green Bay Packers 20 6
Detroit Lions 22 4

Draft positions:
The draft order: there is be a draft lottery for the 16 non-playoff teams to determine the top four selections in the first round. Picks 5-16 will fall in after that in reverse order of record; Picks 17-24 reverse of the prior year's playoff finish. Subsequent rounds will be in reverse order of regular season finish for picks 1-16. Picks 17-24 remain unchanged. The draft will NOT snake. Only players currently in the CBS database are eligible to be drafted.

gshade
ID: 357591614
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 17:02

gshade's KC Chiefs missing team D's: MIN VIKINGS & CAR PANTHERS

thanks guys!

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 17:08

Did we have a prize pool last year? Are we going to do that again? I'm wondering if I'm getting my $27.50. :P

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 17:29

Guys I have all the money! Cards gave me what he had left over. Last year I paid for both CBS and draftime and this year I think I paid for mfl. It is all in pay pal which I rarely use. Some people have credits too. Very confusing to me. Need to get into this pay pal site and figure it out...
End of last season was kinda hasty, so not even sure who gets what. Or who played in what pool.

Also somebody else can really figure out the draft stuff. I'll enter what we do. Looks like nerf has a head start...

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 17:29

Oh. Also, nobody paid any dues last year either...hmmm

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 18:25

The add is a waiver move...

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 21:40

add your guys via waivers and I will manually process them.

Doug
ID: 146192920
Wed, Aug 07, 2013, 23:28

Nerf, what is tiebreaker for teams with same record? Points for?

If so, I think you were using the wrong numbers... you included playoffs instead of regular season. It's a bit of a pain but not TOO many to sort out... but for 2-5 I believe it would be:

MIN (2062.4)
IND (2382.0)
OAK (2384.0)
SFO (2497.6)

Also, do I get a prize for winning the toilet bowl? :)

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 10:06

Vote
Offensive player get credit for tackle, Fumble Forced, Fumble Recovery (same scoring that an IDP gets).
They could make this play on special teams or i.e. a tackle on an INT return etc.

YES - Let offensive players score points for tackles, FF, FR
NO - No defensive points for offensive players

GO Vote --- 1-0 YES
YES - Let offensive players score points for tackles, FF, FR

coldwater coyotes
ID: 189421012
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 10:46

Broncos:

NO

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 10:52

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 10:55

I am trying to ramp up to be able to help more for this league. Huge thanks to Judy and GO for getting us moved and set up. I had a few mins the other day to start taking a look at it, but didn't have commish privs yet so when that is set up and I have some time to dig in, I will.

*We are going to need to figure out a Keeper date very soon. We have to give enough notice so people can start their trading and roster strategy. I am thinking it was usually after the 2nd week of preseason games but we will have to check. The draft generally starts a couple days after keepers are set. With such a deep league and the draft being so critical, we try and start the draft as late as possible and then make the draft go as fast as possible.
*Draft Order: Top 8 is based on playoff finish. Bottom 16 is regular season only in reverse order. Tiebreak is points scored. Lottery with the bottom 16 and 4 will be drawn by lottery and the other 12 will be in reverse order of finish. Lottery is for the first round only and subsequent rounds are in reverse order of finish.

62: You get a CRAPPY trophy
63: In the past I was against it, but with the evolving of our league and scoring I will vote FOR IT. So I vote YES.

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 11:02

62:

I think I can figure out tiebreakers by looking at consolation matchups:

9. Ravens
10. Jets
11. Saints
12. Cardinals
13. Bears
14. Browns
15. Panthers
16. Broncos

17. Texans
18. Cowboys
19. Seahawks
20. 49ers
21. Raiders
22. Colts
23. Vikings
24. Jaguars

Those are the teams that get into the lottery. Don't ask me how that works. :P

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 11:13

Offensive Player w/ Defensive Points Vote - 2-1

Is this majority? 2/3?

gshade
ID: 357591614
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 11:39

YES

I like it when teams get creative & find ways to squeeze pts, especially when teams have a bunch of players on a bye.

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 12:12

YES

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 12:29

Offensive Player w/ Defensive Points Vote - 4-1

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 12:40

By my count it's 4-2. coyotes and myself voted no.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 12:42

67: I haven't checked your work, but you are absolutely correct. Looking at the consolation matchups in week 14 gives you the seeding which in turn tells you their order. Now you have the finish order, we will need to do the following:
1. Break those finishes down by division in each conference so we can start inputting them into the schedule program.
2. Reverse the order so we can figure out draft order and the bottom 16 so we can run the lottery.

As soon as that is done and verified, send it to me and I will get it setup and sent to Guru so he program it for me so I can run the lottery.

CT
ID: 17750811
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 12:50

Browns vote "YES" on offensive player points for tackles, etc.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 13:17

Btw, we should also make it so defensive players can make offensive stats. I know there are a couple DBs who get some reps at WR once in awhile. Couldn't do that in CBS. No idea if MFL will allow us to do that. I'll be so happy to not have to adjust stats for negative yards after every week!

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 13:29

Offensive Player w/ Defensive Points Vote - 5-2

I would think the defensive guys get that... I know for sure they get kick return yards, so don't see why they wouldn't get rushing, receiving etc.

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 13:33

I'm for offense players scoring for defense plays and vice versa. every valuable contribution on the field should count, no matter if a WR makes a tackle after a turnover or a lineman (Warren Sapp comes to my mind) scores a 1yd TD.

looks like this are the regular season standings from last year.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 13:36

76 and 77: By CBS rules they did not get points. We manually had to give them TD points.

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 13:40

Well lets hope its more like Yahoo then, it was automatic -- sometimes it wouldn't show til next morning, but it was in there before all was said and done.

Promize
Leader
ID: 06757148
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 13:42

Might of missed my previous post, but

Seahawks missing Packers

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 13:44

All TD's should count, regardless who scores them.

With the player pool being so deep in this league, every stat should count for something.

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:11

Yeah, that's how I see it. Everything that happens should score something for somebody.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:34

FYI what rifc does is every potential point is available for every player...it is easy to do with the scoring set up

With patrick patterson(Peterson?) in AZ as a DB and WR, it makes life easier.

Remember the fridge???

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:36

Are we doing anything with the DEF scoring?

With the rules impacting defenses adversely, are we changing the yardage parameters?

Doug
ID: 11740813
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:40

YES for all stats counting

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:41

Slizz take a look at the def scoring and see what you think...I was amazed at the points when I input the data...

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 14:42

Def scoring is in post #7.

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 15:15

84: dp you remember your suggestions from last year?

I have so much going on right now in real life and am trying to do what I can to help us get ready.

Toral
ID: 1710311217
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 17:38

YES

PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 20:13

YES for all stats counting.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 21:39

10-2 YES for all stats counting, need some more folks to check in...

Thanks to those of you who have added your missing players, mostly def...

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 22:16

GIANTS: YES

beastiemiked
ID: 53512921
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 22:19

Yes

Frick
ID: 7631217
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 22:22

Yes,

I think that makes it 13-2 so far.

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 23:12

Everyone is signed into MFL. Thanks!

jseth333
Dude
ID: 24100310
Thu, Aug 08, 2013, 23:27

niners - yes

skinneej
ID: 11192115
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 01:07

Yes

Promize
Leader
ID: 06757148
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 09:58

Yes

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 10:59

We can probably safely end the vote and just call the motion passed as a YES.

100

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 12:10

Ok then, I will adjust the scoring!!

BTW -- my vote woulda been yes as well (commish waits until the end (protocol).

101

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 22:40

I see 7 teams who have not yet added players to complete their rosters. Please use the add player/waiver function and I will process the waiver manually. You have until August 14 to do this.

Thanks.

102

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 12:35

Just out of curiosity, are there any G24 managers who have NOT USED MFL before?

103

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 13:59

Yipes. all the individual scoring info I put in Weds is gone! Huh?

104

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 14:22

OK I put them in again. They better stay there!

105

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 12:05

I don't recall using it. But I did do RIFC in 2010.

106

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 12:06

So did we retain every owner for the 2013 season?

107

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 14:29

Judy I don't know if I am one of the 7 but I have put my 3 in 3 times but they still haven't showed up on my roster- Stevie Brown S NYG, NYG defnese and Miami defense. Perhaps I am doing something wrong but I don't think so ???

108

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 15:49

#106. Yes, everyone is signed into MFL

#107. I'll put them in for you, but you are still missing one player. you should have 20. It is the add player/waiver function and then I manually process. Not sure why it I shot working for you...?

109

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 15:52

Valk, I see why. I'll shoot you an email so you can figure it out and get back to me.

110

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 16:13

Ok Judy thanks- my DL was W.Smith and he appears to have disappeared- NP I was not keeping him anyway- put in Marvin Austin and will not be keeping him either. Thanks again for solving the mystery.

111

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 16:26

Weird -- it did not go through. Let me try.

112

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 16:29

You are good to go. Not sure what happened, but it is fixed.

113

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 17:02

Yo! August 14 deadline coming up for you!

Frick
Slizz
Slack
Greg
Vampire
Cc rider

You need to add your missing players. I need to work on the calendar and want to clear this permission before I set the full season calendar. If you have trouble, let me know.

114

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 20:42

My apologies to ccrider and vampire. It looks like you only had 19 guys on your roster to end the season. So officially your rosters are complete. Still need slizz, gshade (2nd def), and GO to fix their rosters.

115

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 20:48

See the email for details.

Keeper thread is posted at:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1082&lastpost=1376268298

116

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 20:50

Anyone have any records about trades for draft slots that were made last year?

Who is working on the draft order stuff? And the lottery? etc.

117

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 20:52

Judy that would have been in the Constitution.

118

Frick
ID: 7631217
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 21:34

I show myself with 20 players, I'm good right?

119

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 11, 2013, 21:42

Frick -- yes. 20 is your limit.

120

GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 09:00

Highly recommend putting your leftover players on your keeper list...

I'm looking to potentially buy a couple guys and I know that's where I'm looking.

And if anyone needs a Team D -- I've got the Tampa Bay D for sale cheap which now includes Revis.
I expect they'll be a top half of the league defense which is useful in this league if you are stuck with Lions or someone like that.

121

GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 09:01

tacking on your leftover guys to your keeper list I should say

122

GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Aug 12, 2013, 14:29

this is what i have copied for trades... only 3? if you had others its up to you but I'm thinking this is at least up to date through 11/6

XIV 2013 Traded Draft Picks:
9-30 Frick gets GO's 3rd Rounder for his 11th (Urlacher/Willis)
10-30 Ref gets B7's 2nd Rounder for his 7th (T.Gonzalez)
11-6 Vikings get Packers 4th for their 7th (Cowboys DST)

123

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 14:45

No one has sent me the final standings by division. I have to have that in order to do the schedule and lottery. Might have enough info to do it myself--but my time is short and wanted to get it done right now.

124

Promize
Leader
ID: 06757148
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:10

Sent Ref...

125

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:32

OK have final standings and lottery order. Guru is setting that up and I will run them asap. Will send league email out first. I am multitasking with 3 other rl things.

126

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:46

Here is the lottery contestants and number of chances (Special thanks to Guru once again):

Team Name Chances per 1000
16 9. Ravens 3
15 10. Jets 4
14 11. Saints 5
13 12. Cardinals 7
12 13. Bears 9
11 14. Browns 13
10 15. Panthers 17
9 16. Broncos 23
8 17. Texans 32
7 18. Cowboys 43
6 19. Seahawks 59
5 20. 49ers 80
4 21. Raiders 108
3 22. Colts 147
2 23. Vikings 200
1 24. Jaguars 250

127

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:49

Lottery winner is the RAIDERS!

128

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:50

2nd Pick goes to the Jaguars!

129

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:51

3rd Pick goes to the Cowboys!

130

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:52

4th ball was the Cowboys again, Repick.

131

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:53

4th Pick goes to the Vikings!

132

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:54

Man, first time I am in the top four and my ball doesn't come up. I really needed one of those top picks. Oh well.

133

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 15:56

That happened to me last year... just needed to be top 3 for Luck, RGII or Martin... fell from 1st to 4th and got David Wilson which may turn out ok, but have to wait a little longer.

134

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 16:05

Lottery results are confirmed.

135

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 17:04

Big thanks to Guru for the assist once again!

136

PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 22:05

Wow, I think this is the first time I have had good luck in the lottery.

137

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 14, 2013, 23:19

GO will publish the draft order tomorrow. We will use MFL draft. It has queues.

138

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 15:45

Can someone tell me the handles of these teams? having trouble tying back emails to teams to handles.

SF
CLE
CAR
DET
NYG

139

Jseth333
ID: 87501514
Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 15:50

SF here. VampireWeekend sometimes.

140

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 16:00

carolina- valkyrie aka steve poucher

141

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 22:18

NYG

142

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 09:05

Pick

Manager Key

Round

JAX (yokel)

OAK

JAX

MIN (frick)

JAX

MIN

GB (skj)

MIN

NYJ (GO)

IND (Ref)

DAL

IND

BAL (B7)

IND

OAK (Doug)

MIN

OAK

SF (jseth)

IND

SEA (prmz)

SEA

DAL (Pete)

SEA

DAL

HOU (bmd)

HOU

DEN (cc)

DEN

CAR (valk)

CAR

CLE (craig)

CLE

CHI (ccr)

CHI

AZ (judy)

NO (Tor)

NYJ (GO)

NYJ

MIN (Frick)

NYJ

BAL (B7)

BAL

IND (Ref)

BAL

CIN (yr)

CIN

DET (nerf)

DET

GB (skj)

MIN (frick)

KC (gshade)

SDG (mjd)

SDG

NYG (TD)

NYG

PHI (ds)

PHI

BUF (slizz)

BUF

143

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 11:47

Guys, I am sorry I am so swamped. I haven't even spent one minute on my team or research at all yet. I have the schedule done and sent it to GO to post. Yo can use that to compare it to the schedule in MFL to make sure we manually input it correctly.

144

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:00

I thought there was some support to change the scoring for team D last year.

I'm a little surprised that there's been no discussion this year.

If you have a crappy D or a bad matchup, teams might have incentive to just not play one and take a zero rather than risk a negative number.

145

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:01

All the focus this year has been on the work to facilitate this transition. Perhaps next year and beyond we can take a breath and fine tune everything.

146

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:04

mjd, if you want to bring something up, it better be today!!!

You must start a DST each week.

147

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:07

I've forgotten: did we require a D/ST because we wanted to, or because CBS's set-up required it?

If the latter, perhaps in MFL we can change that, allow the number of D/ST starters to be either 0 or 1.

148

GO
ID: 9649157
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:09

Please take a look at the 2013 Schedule. We'll be entering this schedule over the next few days.
Once you get into MFL and start getting ready for the draft you'll want to use this as a resource to doublecheck your matchups.

Making your 1st draft pick is essentially your way of saying that you checked your schedule over and are signed off on it.

G24 2013 Schedule

149

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:12

147: Because CBS required that. I am not opposed to changing that if MFL allows it. If we did that someone also might want to propose of chancing the rule that we must hav a DST on our team at all times (even though it would be an open slot every single week without scoring). My guess is that we will want everyone to fill their team on with the required minimums but allow players to not be required to start on a week by week basis like we do in G20 baseball.

150

Frick
ID: 432501512
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:19

My initial thought would be to keep the same rules as last year and require a D/ST to start. By making it optional, you could have a manger drop their D/ST and/or K and having an extra bench slot or two to stash players. For a team that is tanking that could be desirable situation, you are already out of the running, but you could store even more injured players with the hopes that their injuries heal/situation improves next year.

Regardless, that is a pretty significant rule change that should be decided before Keepers are finalized on Monday.

151

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 12:53

I think it is too late for such a significant rule change. I believe MFL does allow for no DST in the starting lineup, but Frick is great to point out that a team without a DST on its roster could use it as an extra bench slot and that would be legal, but not in the spirit of the rules.

That said, I think we could require that a DST be on the roster, but not be required to start. Let me research that for you. I will play with it this afternoon.

As for rule changes, I think we need to really be active after the season is over and get something done. We tried last year, but the effort just petered out once our season was over.

152

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 13:00

151: that was what I said. Same rule as G20 baseball. Have to have the minimum roster requirements and active (bye weeks are still considered active) Problem is that there is not much bench and dropping a DST would be a HUGE advantage. By making it take up a roster slot, than it is on the manager to decide what he wants to do.

153

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 14:13

I can see the advantage of that. Some teams would rather get a 0 than expose their mediocre defense to the Patriots or Packers.

154

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 14:58

With the switch to MFL, I can understand the reason for no discussion to change.

I think without time for adequate discussion, no rule changes should be made to avoid any unforseen loopholes.

That is, ALL lineups must be filled with an active player, even if it is with a bye week player.

155

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 15:09

OK here's the deal: If there is a change and some people want to support it we can call for a vote. But it will be a minor tweak variety for this year.

The tweak would be only this. You must have every eligible slot filled with that player on your team, but you may bench an active player (ie team DST) and go with that slot empty if it is a strategical move (not benching your players in order to tank the week).

Also, if we do this, the rule must have a majority vote and passed with enough time to allow managers the opportunity to change their keepers, so I would say by no later than Sunday. (We can move keeper deadline back to later that evening if need be. You all tell me if you want to go through with a vote with those constrictive elements in place or wait until next year.

156

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 15:10

FTR, I'd prefer waiting until next year, but I will do whatever you guys want to do.

157

GO
ID: 13629419
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 19:36

I'm cool with having an "empty starting slot by choice" vote over the weekend. I'd be surprised if it really changed that many keepers.

158

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 20:18

Ok. I checked it out. I made the roster require a DST, but allowed you to have 0-1 DST starter meaning 12 starters. It seemed to work. Anyone else want to try?

159

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 20:21

Ok found a problem, I added an extra RB and it took it. Not good. Need to explore more...

160

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 21:41

Think I know what to do. Sent a help ticket it for advice...just to make sure.

161

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 21:52

Judy, there was not enough support for a vote. So for this year it must include a DST in your active lineup each week.

162

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 23:02

Ok.

163

PromizeIpad
ID: 16727178
Sat, Aug 17, 2013, 09:27

Agree with Ref... Bad timing to bring up a major change especially with everybody already declaring their keepers.

164

Doug
ID: 2073180
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 01:03

Have we even set a keeper deadline yet? When are we planning on drafting? I'm going to need a day or two to get ready, I'm not seeing any dates in this thread unless I missed it (tried searching on "deadline" and "draft start", no luck...)

165

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 10:58

Judy mentioned somewhere that she wanted it to be tomorrow at Noon. I don't know about anyone else, but I am not even close to being ready. I can't even figure out where to put keepers (Not that I even have even close to 9 legit keepers anyhow).

I am going to TRY to carve out some time tonight to see if there is any way we can push it back, but as of now plan for Keepers by Noon tomorrow. We usually have it after week 2 of Preseason so even if we are able to push it back a smidge, it can't go back too much. Draft will have to be this week--likely no later than Thursday. Unfortunately, I have been so swamped lately, that I haven't been able to dedicate much time at all to this.

166

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 11:00

Btw, I am open to anything. I need Keepers and I will be happy to do a big trade if it means improving my Keepers.

167

deepsnapper
ID: 177181422
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 12:45

Are we using MFL email draft? I've used it in football & baseball and like its ability to queue up multiple rounds at one time.

168

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 12:56

Deep

Yes, we are using the mfl draft program!

169

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 13:30

These managers need to input their keepers here:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1082#1376845637

Don't make us choose for you!!!

Skinneej - Packers
Frick - Vikings
Coldwater - Broncos
Yokel - Jags
Greg - Chiefs
Ref - Colts
mjd - Chargers
Ccrider - Bears

170

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 15:40

Draft start:

Looking at opening it Friday and the official start Monday August 25. Labor Day weekend is saturday August 30.

We will absolutely need to move quickly using the mfl queue system.

Thoughts.

171

Doug
ID: 2073180
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 16:56

Yeah, I'd ask we at least let this preseason week come to a close before we officially set keepers.

172

Doug
ID: 2073180
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 16:57

(In other words, Mon night / Tue morning at soonest)

173

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 18:02

Apparent starting quarterback Blaine Gabbert is available for a draft upgrade. Inquire within.

174

Ref
ID: 13211515
Sun, Aug 18, 2013, 21:01

We are pushing keepers until Tuesday. We are working in the draft. Could be as early a Thursday or as late as Friday. If draft doesn't stet on Monday we could hold the clock until sun/mon.

I have had inquiries about potential keepers. Yes i am interested in trading for keeper level players.

175

Doug
ID: 2073180
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 00:52

Anyone looking for a QB? I'm interested in packaging Alex Smith and my 1st rounder next year for a 1st rounder this year.

I'm also willing to trade down a few spots from 1.01 for the right price.

176

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 12:26

In light of his most recent suspension, Von Miller is on the block.

Looking for a draft pick for his services...

177

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 18:17

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Toral (New Orleans Saints) sends

Blaine Gabbert, 8th round draft choice

to

coldwater coyotes (Denver Broncos) for

4th round draft choice

178

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 20:50

So far most of the deals to me are wanting my 1st round pick. My team is probably the worst team here. I don't have even close to 9 legit keepers. I really can't afford to trade my top pick without considerable impact players. I am more than willing to deal or pick up should be keepers. I have two starting QBs too. Would be willing to trade one if needed but am planning to keep them both at this point.

179

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 49725166
Mon, Aug 19, 2013, 23:06

Trade is correct

180

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 12:18

CC, can you delete your original keeper post?

181

Building 7
ID: 247531214
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 12:43

What is the deadline for keepers. All it said was Tuesday. Midnight? I may change mine.

182

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 14:15

B7,

I am getting ready to add keepers to MFL now. I suppose I can wait but not past 9 pm...i'll shoot you an email.

183

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 14:18

I believe that #177 is the only trade pre keeper deadline.

Correct? I changed Broncos and Saints rosters manually.

184

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 14:24

If anyone else had a player related trade that would impact your keepers, speak now or forever hold your peace...

185

Doug
ID: 427302014
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 15:31

Confused... deadline is Tuesdsay (today), correct? That's what I thought email said. So we still have 8.5 to 11.5 hours remaining (depending what timezone you want to use, but I'd suggest PST so the west coasters have equal opportunity). If there was some other deadline I must have missed that post / email.

186

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 16:21

Deadline is 11:59 PM tonight 8/20/13

Put any changes here and also in the keeper thread. Please delete your previous keeper list post if there are changes.

Judy will conduct a final review in the morning and submit to MFL at that point.

187

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 16:37

185: Yeah we meant to simply change the date to Tues instead of Mon as usual. Meant to keep same time. But because some thought it was was end of day then we will make it end of day today. We were ready to get keepers input so it will slow us down, but we will get it done.

We need it done so you all can research the FAs all day tomorrow and we will start the draft Thursday untimed initially. The goal is for Noon, but since it is untimed, we will send a league email when it is ok to start drafting. Even though the keepers are entered, there is still more work to do to get ready.

188

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 20, 2013, 20:30

If you make a keeper change tonight, shoot me an email so I notice it!

189

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 08:40

No changes were submitted on Tuesday before midnight. Oakland changes were post deadline and not eligible.

190

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 14:21

Guys, as some of you know, my time to play fantasy games have been increasingly shorter the past few years. Commishing these leagues is even tougher. Without Judy and GO to step up and get this league changed over and functional, we might not even have a league any more. There is a learning curve with commishing and MFL so please bear with us all. I had considered no longer even having a team, but with all the work they did to help us get going, I couldn't leave. I will do my best to make time and try to make something out of my horrid team. Thank you Judy and Great One!

191

Building 7
ID: 247531214
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 14:54

You guys are doing a great job, and MFL will be worth it. Thanks for all your hard work.

192

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 15:32

MFL seems pretty cool, we haven't even scratched the tip of the iceberg on some of the features it offers we've been so focused on just getting the league setup.

You can even put video's on the homepage. Maybe I'll tape a weekly recap and post it! Ok, nobody wants to see my face. But we could put it there.

193

GO
ID: 13629419
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 18:27

The draft order was entered into MFL. I'm not sure if everyone can see it but please check your picks if you can. Especially any traded picks.

194

GO
ID: 13629419
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 18:29

You should be able to to DRAFT on the left side and even sort by just your teams picks using the drop-down. Everyone check their own picks at least.

Making a draft pick is your sign-off and agreement that your picks are accurate.

195

Building 7
ID: 167151020
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 20:18

I have to drive to Broken Arrow and back on Saturday. About a 15 hour drive with no I-phone. I can receive text messages or cell phone calls. My number is at MFL. I have it setup in MFL to text me after every draft pick with the wireless box checked....Draft status update. I think that will do it. I remember doing this in AAA and it worked pretty good. However, I need a cell phone number to text my pick to. Probably from a commissioner who can enter my pick. You can email it to me. Otherwise, I only have numbers for the Bears and the Browns.
I will try to leave a q for my upcoming pick before I leave. I do not have a 2nd round pick, otherwise I pick 16th.

196

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 21, 2013, 21:15

I am not reliable on Saturday.
I am hoping we get a round or two in Thursday and Friday...

197

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 08:35

I will be away until around 10pm tonight. I will make my draft pick (pick 1.22) at that time if the draft gets that far today.

198

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 22, 2013, 22:48

I said in the most recent email to you all that we would start untimed, but I sure was hoping to get one round in today/Thursday.

Let's get going or we will use a clock sooner than you might think...

199

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 01:06

I had no idea it was open. Should've titled email "Draft has STARTED, fools!"

200

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 08:26

Sorry!!!!

Memo sent!

201

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 09:18

I am interested in trading up. Can discuss players or picks, etc.

202

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 10:09

You'd think as guys are picked they would be removed from my draft list. That's a pain in the butt. As is the 5 extra clicks to go from the draft to where I make a que. They don't improve that we are going back to Kafenatid next year.

203

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 10:56

Wow. Nice value by BMD. To get Austin at 8 is tremendous value.

204

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 10:56

I'm mad I didn't try and trade up!

205

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 11:04

Draft note: coldwater/Denver q was emptied. He'll be where he can make a pick around 1-2 pm. Nerf/Detroit is in the mountains, ready around 7

My Q going rapidly as well...

GO agree on #202 about removing names already drafted, but five clicks? From draft page, go to for owners --> draft and it is right there...

I will send a comment to them about that.

206

Frick
ID: 432501512
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 11:44

I was looking at the scoring rules and I wanted to clarify. Do returners get 6 points for a PR/KR touchdown? It doesn't look like it in the scoring rules, but I is a bit ambiguous.

207

Promize
ID: 17755199
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 11:56

Reply #204

Slizz,

I wanted him real bad... but considering I don't have a QB to my name, I needed something. Geno might not start, but with the likes of Sanchez it shouldn't take long.

But trust me, I thought and thought long about Austin and was shocked he was still on the boards.

208

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 12:36

Everybody gets 6 points for a TD.

209

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 12:38

Frick,

I think this covers it but I will check with guru:

Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 0-10 6 points each Test

210

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 13:11

Promize - you did the right thing and took the bird in hand. i know you were hoping EJ Manuel fell, but thats just how this league goes...

coldwater coyotes cost himself a shot at the playoffs by taking Ronnie Hillman over Russell Wilson (in fairness, nobody knew how good he would be). However, he didn't have a starting QB on the roster. He than spent the next few rounds taking backups in volatile situations to try and fill the void at QB.

Fast-forward to this season - Hillman is going to be an OK fantasy player but is too small to be an impact runningback in our league. He will have those hit or miss weeks, but never will equal the Russell Wilson production. Hopefully it works out for coldwater as his skill position players, besides hillman, are pretty damn good.

211

Building 7
ID: 247531214
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 13:34

I do not get a text when there is an autopick. So much for that plan.

212

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 13:37

Pretty happy that Austin fell to me. Don't really need another receiver since I kept A. Brown, Hilton, and Bolding but couldn't pass him up.

Already received a really sick offer for him. If I was objective I would've taken it in a heartbeat. Some very proactive managers in this league.

If anybody needs a QB, I have Jake Locker available. Not sure what the price is. Definitely don't want any receivers :)

213

Slizz
ID: 49611114
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 14:00

No doubt, BMD - long term keeper and a luxury pick. I know in G20 you're a Cardinals fan...rams fan too? If so, thats a double bonus.

I thought Austin would go 1.01 as Doug has some solid RB's. But one can always find a WR in G24...getting a RB who is fantasy relavant is another and Giovani could be the rookie of the year.

Last, I am expecting my first born any day now...I am preparing my queue as I type this, but would still need assistance in the event my wife delivers. If you know of anyone willing to assist me during the draft, or are willing to assist, please email me.

214

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 14:10

I thought for sure I'd have to have a WR. I was hoping it would be Austin but figured he'd be gone too. Shocked I was able to get a RB that I absolutely needed. Still, if I could have traded up to get Austin I would have been willing to deal.

215

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 14:41

Trade
Rashard Mendenhall for rights to CHI Bears 1.12 Pick
With that pick I am going with Jordan Cameron, TE, CLE

Judy - do you want me to do the editing once we get the confirmation? or not cause I'm involved...

216

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 14:42

told him to just pick Cameron to keep the draft moving - I'm thinking a Mendenhall for Cameron swap will be simpler to process.

217

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 15:01

ccrider can't confirm from work but I forwarded his email confirmation and made the pick for him.
Can't figure how to get Mendenhall over to his roster but we can do that at some point.

I'm on the clock again. Would trade down if any interest in someone to jump up. Researching now, didn't plan on having 2 1st rounders.

218

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 16:06

GO. I'll take care of it. Did he Get one of your bottom picks as well?

219

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 16:07

I don't think so... but you are right -- he probably should get my last to even it out.

220

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 16:51

Have him pick for you at the end...

221

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 17:03

209: all set Frick.

222

gshade
ID: 447512417
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 17:18

Draft trouble.... I want to select j randle, dal, rb with my 1st rd pick, but "select a player" is not showing up for me. I'm on my mobile and won't be in front of a comp until Sunday night. Can any make the pick for me or tell me how to do this?

223

gshade
ID: 447512417
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 17:19

224

gshade
ID: 447512417
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 17:20

Kc chiefs

225

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 17:39

Done, I think by GO: (thanks for adding your team name. Not sure why you could not do it. If you click on the 3 dots you get a drop down menu...?)

1.20 20. Kansas City Chiefs Randle, Joseph DAL RB (R) Fri Aug 23 5:23:40 p.m. ET 2013

226

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 18:13

Each pick opens up a comment box for you. Since we do not do rationales, feel free to express yourself in the box!

Slow day. Hopefully with round 1 almost finished, we can say we are on our way and everyone knows the draft is open.

As a courtesy to others, if you are going to be out for a while (3-4 hours) as opposed to clinging to your computer, iPad or iPhone, please let us know here so we don't get p****d at you!

Thanks.

227

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 21:44

At some point in tme we should turn on the clock.

Need to get this train rolling.

228

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 21:57

Not worried yet. If we don't get through round two on saturday, we might have to...

229

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 22:03

I understand how people can be away from the computer for a while but it really is annoying when a significant delay results in new information becoming available that significantly benefits the delayee (who is also the delayor). Case in point Le'vion Bell was thought to have a lis franc when Jville picked but 12 hours latter when Dallas finally did it was found only to be a sprain. Would Dallas still have drafted Bell with a timely pick- doubtful!

230

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 22:14

I've never been a fan of the weekend clock...just sayin'

During the week, I have no issues with the 3 hour clock. We will absolutely finish the draft before 9/3.

231

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 23:03

229-Good point

232

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 23:03

#229, some us didn't even know the draft had started. Yesterday they were saying 6-8 weeks. Today they are saying could still be 6 weeks. I doubt the news had any bearing on his pick.

233

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 09:33

FYI: Brain Quick has disappeared from my team and is now back in waivers. I have been unable to add him back via commish. Do not draft him. Hopefully we can get this resolved QUICKly.

234

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 11:37

Re: 229 - something tells me Pete was taking Bell regardless.

Didn't seem to effect the draft much...

235

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 12:15

#233 easy fix.

Quick is now back with Ref...

Just gotta know how to work the system...!

236

PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 13:04

229: That day happened to be my birthday and I had no idea the draft had started. The news had no bearing on my pick. I had Lacy/Bell/Bernard, in that order, as my top 3.

237

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 13:35

No worries, Pete.

Hope you had a good birthday.

238

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 13:45

Bears had a Q, I suspect it was picked clean. Sent an email as he might not know it...

239

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 13:54

Pete not blaming you individually-I do know that I wouldn't have picked Bell #3 with a lis franc whether or not his sprain will also take 6 weeks to heal. In fact I probably would not have taken a shot at him with #10 if it had been a lis franc injury. Just saying no one should benefit by delaying but it is to everyone's benefit to delay their pick.

240

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 14:41

Happy Birthday Pete!

241

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 15:47

judy- cameron jordan already taken 1.12

242

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 16:49

Haha

I took Cameron Jordan DL NOS.

you are referencing Jordan CameronTE CLE

243

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 18:07

my bad LOL good you didn't get both of them

244

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 24, 2013, 18:16

That woulda been neato!

245

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 13:08

step by step, how do you set your draft pick so it will auto pick?

Btw, I am not thrilled at all with MFL compared to CBS for research nor compared to OTC for drafting.

246

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 13:12

Ref if is so much better than CBS.

Go to for owners--> draft
You can sort by position, team, ADP, alphabetically...

You can set round by round...

You can see 2012 stats by going to reports-->players and pick what sort you want to see...

247

Doug
ID: 2073180
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 14:01

I've always hated MFL, but I know a few do like it... but honestly their navigation menus have to be amongst the worst UI I've seen in a looooong time. There is a way to do everything, but it's usually about the least intuitive method possible.

I'd rather learn vi or emacs commands than try and navigate MFL... they're more straightforward. :)

248

Valkyrie
ID: 210563113
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 14:13

Does it have a way to turn your queue off? If so could someone tell me whereit is and how it works. So far the only way I know is to wipe out your queue.

249

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 17:17

Valk, as far as I can tell there is no way to turn off your queue.

What I have done is put a tentative list in the last round so I can remember who I had.

250

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 17:51

Valk I think you can use this method.

What's the difference between a pre-draft pick and the My Draft List?
Answer: Pre-draft picks are made on a pick-by-pick basis and always get executed as soon as the franchise is on the clock. These are generally designed to make a pick or picks for an absent owner that is unable to attend the draft. The My Draft List feature, however, is a customized master draft list designed for the entire draft as a whole. Any picks made using this list are, by default made once a franchises time has expired (although this can be changed to make the pick as soon as a franchise gets on the clock). This list is primarily used as a guide to aid an owner in actively making his or her picks.

251

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 17:53

More details here:

http://football7.myfantasyleague.com/2013/support?SEARCH=My+draft+list+how+does+it+work&L=78609

252

Nerd herders
ID: 347152518
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 19:15

Yeah not a big fan of mfl myself because of the interface. I always feel like I'm in Apollo 13 when trying to navigate the site.

Is there any way to see last years stats with the points in the players stats page?

253

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:13

Go to reports --> players and make sure the year is 2012.

254

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:14

Also, if you take a while to draft I can go to your site and see what was the last time you checked in.
I send email reminders. If you don't like them, use queues.

255

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:17

Hey Nerf, please navigate over to AAA #2 and join us.

Thanks

256

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:17

253 use top passers (or whatever) to get to category and then click on the players name for the details.

For example, here are the details for brees, 2012

http://football7.myfantasyleague.com/2013/player?L=78609&P=4925

257

GO
ID: 13629419
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 20:42

The fact that you work on a Draft List and it doesn't pull the guys out of it when they are picked makes the draft que and system worthless. I don't have the time to sort through and take them out one by one each time someone gets crossed of my master list. Or to make the same que over and over for all my different picks. And every time I save the list it leaves that screen and have to go back to it to continue editing

And yes the lack of easily sortable (or Projected) stats makes coming up with players very difficult. Kafenatid didn't have that either but at least getting my player

258

GO
ID: 13629419
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 21:57

So I need to get Mendhenall over to ccrider... no picks needed. Moving him over gives up 20 players/picks each.

It wouldn't let the Mendenhall for nothing trade process.

259

GO
ID: 13629419
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 22:02

Dropped Cameron, and then reset so Bears picked him. Then offered a straight up Cameron for Mendenhall deal for him to accept which keeps picks balanced.

260

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Aug 25, 2013, 22:18

Ok.

261

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 14:47

Brilliant MFL tells ccrider they won't let our trade execute cause are rosters are no valid. Well of course my roster isn't valid cause he's got my TE and we're not done drafting.

262

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Aug 27, 2013, 16:36

Sent you the commish "fix".

263

Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 11:42

Was the clock ever turned on?

264

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 13:33

Guys, I thought my pick was in. Basically, as soon as my pick came up I asked GO and Judy which link showed bye weeks. The guys I was looking at didn't fit so I decided to take a DE. Right then I got an "emergency" phone call and had to leave. First chance I got I emailed Judy and GO who to pick for me. On the way back, I looked and noticed no draft emails and again emailed them. I got back and saw nothing had been done and picked. Just now GO emailed and told me he just got back and missed my email. Sorry for the mix-up and holding up the draft.

265

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 13:39

No big deal... we are cruising along pretty good I'd say.

266

Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 15:36

I agree, we are making good speed and of all of the people who have "encouraged" us to leave queues in the past, it was a bit ironic.

Was it this league that had the cumulative clock?

267

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 15:41

There is an avg. time per pick at the bottom of the draft page which is neat.

268

Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 16:03

I agree, I remember getting the data out of Kafenatid and then manually having to pull out/adjust the clock stoppages to see the cumulative times. Not that hard, just annoying when dealing with time in Excel.

269

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Aug 28, 2013, 17:04

Great pace guys. I only had to send a few nudges. It's a little late now but did you know you can get an email update every time someone picks and it says who was/were picked by whom and who is next? I have found that really helpful to cross off names on my cheat sheets to see who is left (over).

270

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 12:05

I changed my settings to get on the clock emails. The only downside to that is that they come 30 - 45 minutes AFTER your clock has started. Not ideal.

271

TD
ID: 6245199
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 13:10

I have been using the wireless Setup to get a text message when I am on the clock. There is no delay.

272

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 14:17

The TM feature on MFL is spot on.

273

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 18:38

Can someone contact Pete? Although he is within the time limits for his current pick, He hasn't checked the site in 22 hours...we have 13 round 10 queues ready to roll...

Thanks.

Hoping to finish by Friday night...

274

PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Thu, Aug 29, 2013, 21:09

Sorry for the delay everyone. I'll make sure I have a queue going forward.

275

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 08:10

Phooey. My #3 RB broke his leg last night...

276

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 08:46

My #2 RB no longer has competition for his job :)

277

deepsnapper
ID: 177181422
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 09:15

I'll be gone all day (out of town). I'll take my queue or if it runs out, just pick a bench player for me.

Happy Labor Day weekend!

278

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 16:28

At the moment the only place I see the team logos appear is on the homepage standings... if that's the case I am gonna propose either we all enter one or NOBODY enters one. I think it would just look a lot cleaner and easier to read if its consistent.

279

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Aug 30, 2013, 18:06

And we are finished.

I will work on opening waiver requests tonight and let you know the calendar for that!

Thanks to everyone for a fine draft.

280

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Sat, Aug 31, 2013, 08:36

Waiver request may be filed as of Sunday at 1:00 pm
Waiver requests will be awarded Wednesday at noon.

Free agent pick ups begin at 3:00 pm Wednesday.

Hopefully do you do not have to make too many changes!

281

GO
ID: 50752922
Sat, Aug 31, 2013, 21:34

Everyone needs to send Judy a big thank you, she did 90% of A LOT of work that had to be done to get the league transitioned.

Hopefully from here on out we can just worry about tweaking and adjusting things to improve layout, scoring etc. and not worry about the transition so much.

282

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Sun, Sep 01, 2013, 00:00

Thanks, Judy! Best of luck in recovery and rehab while you get to enjoy some football...

283

Promize
ID: 537541810
Mon, Sep 02, 2013, 11:12

So, I like MFL and been using it for years... But just had the hardest time finding the Waiver Wire Order.

You need to:
Reports / Standings / Tiebreakers and then click the link Waivers.

I know in many of my leagues, this is usually posted on the main page. Can we add this please commish's? :)

284

PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Mon, Sep 02, 2013, 22:05

Thank you Judy! Best wishes on a speedy recovery.

285

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Fri, Sep 06, 2013, 06:10

my schedule seems a bit messed up. I checked it 2 weeks ago and it was correct back then. today I checked how my opponents did and only saw that I have 1 matchup scheduled for this week.

looks like the JAX-KC matchup should be CIN-KC

btw: I am lucky to not play against Peyton this week. 2 teams may already have lost their matchups because of him.

286

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Sep 06, 2013, 08:47

This has been fixed. Everyone should probably quickly look at just their own schedule to make sure they have 2 games per week. I don't even care if the matchups are right for now, just they have 2 matchups per week.

287

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 06, 2013, 12:09

Hmm. I didn't touch the schedules...

Glad. It is fixed!

289

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 17:39

Tough day when the stat line for your #1 draft pick/TD#1 is 1 tackle...

290

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 18:36

uh, I meant TE#1

291

GO
ID: 50752922
Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 18:55

That tackle he got was more of a collision too where the other guy fell down after Sudfield couldn't hold on.

Pretty pleased with my first round TE.

292

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 23:04

When did we add bonus points for passing, rushing, and receiving yards after going over a certain threshold? Have they always been there?

293

GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 09:57

Yeah, pretty sure that's been there forever. If I remember when say a RB went up to like 150 he started getting 1.25 points per 10 or some equivalent increase in extra points.

294

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 13:17

Beastie, I was surprised too to see that when I was entering the scoring stats. Also surprised to see how much DEF gets punished (my view) for giving up tons of points and tons of yardage. Really think we need to look at those next season especially in light of today's offenses, although for the most part this weekend was not high scoring...

295

Frick
ID: 432501512
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 14:05

With two games left this week only 1 RB has over 100 yards. The last time that 0 or 1 RB finished a week with over 100 yards was 2000. At least according to sportscenter this morning.

I think there was some discussion about adjusting the scoring for Ds, but it has never been really talked about. I wouldn't have a problem with adjusting Team D scoring. With 24 teams, there are plenty of weeks were simply taking a 0 would be much better.

296

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 14:21

Judy - agree. I think todays rules are making the big offensive days the norm and not the exception. Offense = ratings and the NFL does a damn good job of generating them. I'd be for eliminating yardage and just focusing on scoring plays:

Sacks, interceptions, defensive TDs.

Profootballtalk had a great article how throwing for 400 yards is no longer the feat it was once considered to be.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/09/the-400-yard-passing-game-is-no-longer-special/

297

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 16:18

Great article, so true!

298

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 17:20

295: Hoping Alfred can fix that tonight...!

299

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 18:36

We talked about this last year and then with all the shifting to MFL the dicussion never picked up in preseason. I'd like to either see the scoring shifted up for yards and points, or just remove yards from the table. In last year's thread I believe I proposed an alternate scoring table.

300

mjd
ID: 9811120
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 21:01

Read that this AM, but no time to post it as a solid reason to think about changing and hopefully simplifying our D/ST scoring.

But this year just changing sites was traumatic enough. Kudos to GO and Judy for that massive task.

We've discussed changing this before and should consider options now during this season to take effect next season. Even if we don't vote on something now, let's continue to look at options.

301

GO
ID: 12829921
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 22:29

Now is the time to be looking cause in-season is when its fresh in our minds.

302

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 23:26

I personally think it's kinda redundant to award extra points for going over certain thresholds. If they make it to that number they are already scoring a buttload of points. Giving bonus points just increases the luck factor imo.

I think we need to give less points for shutouts. 7 more points to a team that allowed zero points over a team that allowed zero points but who's offense allowed a safety is way too much. Allowing 2 points or allowing zero points is exactly the same. We should reward them the exact same.

Does MFL have a scoring option where defensive touchdowns or safeties do not count against the opposing DST?

303

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 23:27

Yes, I agree the time to do it is in season. Once the season is over, no one cares or is off to basketball, baseball, hockey, life, etc.

Lets get a solid discussion going the first week in October. Time to enjoy the start of the season and time to make decisions for next year. I have the data ready to go...

Under the knife tomorrow for a new knee! Excited about that!

304

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 23:28

Beastie, not sure I understand your last sentence...?

305

GO
ID: 50752922
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 23:32

The PC program download for Live Scoring is much better than the very weak Gameday Scoring chart they offer.

Still highly disappointed by the lack of data and sortable stats in free agent searches.

306

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Sep 09, 2013, 23:36

Was wondering if there was an option to only count points that are scored on the defense not the entire team. So safeties and int returns for TD wouldn't count against the DST.

307

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 10:45

I'm surprised it does it that way if thats true. Was it that way in CBS? Not in Yahoo or ESPN.

308

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 11:10

I think I'm taking my logo down... just seems cluttered on the homepage standings.

309

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 13:16

302: We took a vote on that a while back and it failed. One comment was what if the ball was recovered on the 1 yard line and then got a TD that did count against you? I get that. But for the most part, I agree with you.

310

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 15:58

I've played in leagues in the past where DST's only got points against for scores it allowed, which was fine if a little wonky. If the offense threw a pick six, the six wouldn't count against the defense, but the extra point would. I can see the argument from both sides, but I would tend to lean towards DST only getting credit for those points it allowed, mostly because when you are evaluating defenses, you're evaluating the defense, not how bad it's special teams or offense is. Even if the points from those are going to be minimal.

311

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 16:46

Yes, that's true - Yahoo still hits you with the extra point which blows up your shutout cause its "Defense/ST".

312

Doug
ID: 2073180
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 03:25

Waiver priority... not the same as draft order? Wondering how I wound up down at #15.

313

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 07:25

I'm not getting any e-mails from the site. Now there are *14* things to check in their help page on this -- but first is anyone else not getting their e-mails? My e-mail address is right, and the"test" of sending myself one through my franchise information works.

314

TD
ID: 6245199
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 10:29

I am getting daily emails from site.

315

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 10:38

OK, thanx. I guess next on the list is to check to see that my ISP does not have automatic spam filtering.

316

Frick
ID: 432501512
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 10:39

Have you gone to the page where you can check what you want e-mails about? I think it is under communications.

317

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 10:45

Yep. I have checked weekly results, mine and opponents' lineups, and added waiver moves today so I can check to see whether they come in at noon.

318

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 10:48

Waiver order is definitely not right.

319

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 13:16

Am mystified by how the Jets got Marlon Brown ahead of me.

The Jets drafted right after me, and thus were right behind me in the waiver order -- right?

Neither them nor us (the Saints) picked anyone up on waivers last Wednesday to alter our positions.

So my request for Brown should have been granted ahead of the Jets', should it not?

320

GO
ID: 50752922
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 14:16

I have no idea, we need Judy on his one. I don't understand MFL. I'm on the road today too. Is she under the knife today?

321

mjd
ID: 9811120
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 14:38

320-Yesterday, but still prob in the hospital for another day or so.

322

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:06

Toral waivers were not set correctly. MFL probably had them default to go reverse draft order and nobody caught wind of it until Doug in post 312.

323

Doug
ID: 2073180
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:26

I'm guessing all moves from today should be undone and waivers re-run tonight if we can get the order fixed in time. Would recommend freezing transactions in the meantime regardless, if anyone besides Judy can do that. Probably a league email as well for those not checking the message boards here on a daily basis.

324

GO
ID: 50752922
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:31

Can anyone do this tonight? I am travelling and then work all night.

325

Promize
ID: 17755199
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:43

Question, how is this going to be fixed and everyone get their waivers in again?

I'm also going to be on the road and probably won't have a chance to re-enter everything

This imo is going to cause a huge mess. It was unfair in the first place, but is going to be unfair again for those who don't check in or unable to redo everything again..

326

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:52

Is there a way to see everyone's failed waiver claims. That would be the easiest. Would take a little manpower but that would be the easiest solution.

327

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 15:57

I believe the commissioners can see them.

328

GO
ID: 50752922
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:09

I can see them all when I switch into commish mode

329

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:10

First we need to figure out the proper waiver order. Reverse standings and then factor in moves that were made at the 1st waivers.

330

Promize
ID: 17755199
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:10

I would send an email out very soon, as people keep adding and dropping.

331

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:14

GO, disable adding/dropping if you can.

332

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:20

I believe this is what the waiver order should've been. Since it wasn't properly set initially the claims before the season were screwed up as well. Hope nobody got screwed in those but I think we are past trying to fix those.

Let me know if anyone comes up with anything differently. This is the draft order and then any team that claimed a player off waivers went to the bottom.

JAX
MIN
IND
OAK
SF
DAL
HOU
DEN
CLE
CHI
AZ
NO
NYJ
CIN
DET
GB
KC
SDG
SEA
CAR
BAL
NYG
PHI
BUF

333

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:22

Correction, it was the draft order if lottery wasn't factored in.

Hopefully the commishes can see claims. If so we can definitely fix this.

334

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:24

If I can be added commish duties, I can help fix later tonight(after 11 ET).

335

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 16:33

I drafted 11th from the bottom. Doesn't look like my draft order.

336

Judy
ID: 28523116
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 17:44

I asked about the order and was told reverse of draft which is what I did. Hopefully out of hospital tomorrow but not to home for a week or so...so wont have stuff...nb surgery successful, just tons of nausea and cat naps...

Suggest leave as is as will be a mess to redo. I cannot do it.

337

beastiemiked
ID: 88591116
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 17:59

Toral, some team above you made claims during the first waiver period(before week 1)

338

beastiemiked
ID: 88591116
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 18:03

Pretty unfair to leave as it is. I can do it later tonight.

Redoing it will only possibly hurt my team. Il got the guys I wanted so there's no ulterior motives for me pushing to redo it :)

339

Ref
ID: 13211515
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 18:39

I have not been in my PC and won't be for awhile. I just got an email about this. All moves need I be reversed and an email go out so everyone has a chance to resubmit. I have no idea who I got if anyone but I know I should have been 3rd in ww order. Mfl has not been good for me.

340

Ref
ID: 13211515
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 18:41

It is not reverse of draft it is same order as draft. Plus there were ww claims before first week.

341

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 18:55

I checked that beastiemiked.

If I get players I don't deserve it will entirely ruin my likely low finish this year ahnd high draft pick. But I always try. So it must be done right.

342

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 19:38

Is there a way MFL can provide a list of the claims for each team via spreadsheet?

I did zero research to support this but my spidey sense tells me that it got altered post draft. Once the draft was completed, anyone who was picked up was done so via waivers rather than free agency.

I don't doubt Judy entered the information correctly (& good to hear your surgery was successful).

343

Judy
ID: 28523116
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 19:52

I messed up. I did reverse of draft order ..

344

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 20:17

Disregard post 342 then. Lol

345

mjd
ID: 9811120
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 21:03

When I looked yesterday, it showed me with the #1 priority. Certainly was not going to burn that so early with the available players.

However, parked near the bottom of the list, I might have made a claim or more.

346

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 22:52

Looks like New Orleans should've gotten Marlon Brown.

347

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:05

Here how Round 1 should've been as far as I can tell.

Round 1
IND - Add Winslow, Kellen NYJ TE and drop Suh, Ndamukong DET DT
HOU - Add Dwyer, Jonathan PIT RB and drop Harris, DuJuan GBP RB
NO - Add Brown, Marlon BAL WR and drop Tanner, Phillip DAL RB
GB - Add Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR and drop Moore, Marlon SFO WR
SEA - Add Battle, Jackie TEN RB and drop Cunningham, Benny STL RB
CAR - Add Raiders, Oakland OAK Def and drop Byrd, Jairus BUF S
BAL - Add Washington, Leon NEP RB and drop Johnson, Damaris PHI WR
PHI - Add Coleman, B.J. FA QB and drop None(Already dropped players)
BUF - Add Blount, LeGarrette NEP RB and drop Benjamin, Travis CLE WR

348

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:09

Here's the rest of the rounds:

Round 2
HOU - Add Bolden, Brandon NEP RB and drop James, Mike TBB RB
SEA - Add Hali, Tamba KCC LB and drop Ayers, Akeem TEN LB
CAR - Add Kerrigan, Ryan WAS LB and drop Tamme, Jacob DEN TE
PHI - Add Anderson, C.J. DEN RB and drop None(Already dropped a player)
BUF - Add Davis, Thomas CAR LB and drop Bradham, Nigel BUF LB

Round 3
HOU - Add Dent, Akeem ATL LB and drop Allen, Russell JAC LB
PHI - Add Clark, Ryan PIT S and drop None
BUF - Add Reed, Jordan WAS TE and drop Benjamin, Travis CLE WR

Round 4

BUF - Add Acho, Sam ARI LB and drop None

349

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:14

So the only problem, as far as I can tell, was that Ny Jets received Marlon Brown instead of New Orleans.

I did notice a few people had adds but no corresponding drops. NY Jets had another add after Marlon Brown but he didn't have a corresponding drop so I don't think it would've been processed. Same with Philadelphia in Round 4.

Buffalo, I don't think you are doing waivers properly. Well looks like you did round 1 right but after that you only had 1 pick for each of the next 3 rounds.

350

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:17

Unsure on the new waiver order. Are all teams that picked in round 2 going to be lower than teams that only picked in round 1?

351

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:19

Correction...
Round 4
BUf - Add Skrine, Buster CLE CB and drop Claiborne, Morris DAL CB

352

mjd
ID: 9811120
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:19

At 21st or so, I'd have put in at least 1 claim. Not sure who it might have been, since I had no interest in burning a #1 claim on any of those players, but at 21, I definitely would have had a lengthy list of offensive players.

And what about claims made last week?

353

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:25

The guys that made a claim last week were placed at the bottom. The order was wrong for them but we are beyond the point of correction(if there was one even needed) for those, imo.

354

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:36

mjd, judging by the waiver claims it seems most teams knew waiver order was determined by draft order. Unfortunately, it was inputted wrong and not noticed until it was too late. MFL is to blame on this one as it's impossible to know where waiver order is unless someone tells you.

It would be nice if we could somehow turn back the clock but it doesn't seem possible. Having everyone resubmit waivers, run waivers, and somehow have it all done before kickoff didn't seem feasible. I think the solution of manually redoing waivers was the most fair for all teams. Definitely hurt teams that were actually a lot lower than they had thought so they didn't put claims in.

355

mjd
ID: 9811120
Wed, Sep 11, 2013, 23:38

I'd have made a claim in round 1, quite possibly a player tsken in round 2 or 3.

356

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 14:41

Alright. Thank should have taken 5 min and took an hour cause MFL is complicated and calls an "Add" a "waiver" for some odd reason.

I applied the list above in order based on what the waiver order (provided by BMD, thanks!) was when teams froze over the weekend.

And when I manually dropped a guy it wouldn't let me add them to the proper roster. So I had to take 1 day waiver lock off and put back on to get Marlon over to Saints. Me not acquiring Marlon Brown led to me getting Ihenacho instead based on failed waiver claims - so took him back off GB roster and then factored that in to where I got moved back down the waiver line along with everyone else.

New York Jets Waiver Request Round 1:
Add Brown, Marlon BAL WR and drop Hasselbeck, Matt IND QB
Add Ihenacho, Duke DEN S and drop None
Tue Sep 10 1:38:33 p.m.

One problem here -- I am not sure who GB dropped to get Ihenacho, so I need to add him back to whoever he dropped to even back out.

New resulting waiver order.
JAX, MIN, OAK, SF, DAL, DEN, CLE, CHI, AZ, CIN, DET, KC, SDG, NYG, IND, NO, NYJ, GB, BAL, SEA, CAR, HOU, PHL, BUF

357

skinneej
ID: 11192115
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 14:55

Just catching up on all this since I didn't know there were any issues. Don't worry about giving me the player back that I dropped (Sanchez) I'll make another pickup now.

358

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 15:09

When did you drop Sanchez? Why can't we see him in the transaction log? Very weird. MFL really needs to revamp their entire system. Everything is very confusing and navigation is impossible if you are a newbie.

Technically, GO didn't do the waiver correctly. Since he had no corresponding drop for Ihenacho I don't think the automated system would've give him Ihenacho. I'm sure he meant to drop Hassleback there.

359

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 15:15

My corresponding drop for Ihenacho was an empty roster spot so it was good to go.

Thats right - I laughed at poor Sanchez when I reversed that one when I reversed it backed it out of the system. I did "delete transaction" which I thought would be ok -- but maybe should have gone with a drop of some sort to leave the record of it.

360

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 15:17

Brown isn't actually on my roster yet -- I guess he'll come after some lock period (he's listed as a locked free agent) is over?

361

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 15:39

GO, ahh that makes sense. I know Judy had dropped some players before waivers begun but didn't realize you had a open roster spot. My bad.

362

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 15:44

I see now -- Brown is locked until 2:15 P.M. Friday -- hope I'm around to pick him up!

363

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 16:05

You have to be kidding me! I took the lock off... made him a free agent free and clear. Added him to your team. Then turned the lock back on. Well I guess it pulled him back off your team. This is so stupid.

Another stupid thing is it rejects waivers and trades if the move will make a teams roster invalid or fall below minimum at a particular position. I do moves all the time that will cause that... like do a claim using a kicker or something and if its successful then I just add a different kicker. Has to be a way around this.

364

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 16:06

I'll try and add him for you, I should be around.

365

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 16:07

And the BJ Coleman add failed cause he wasn't on a valid team yet (who the heck is that?!)... not sure why that would be when I have McGahee - unless its ok cause I drafted him.

366

GO
ID: 56631510
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 16:08

I also switched where when you click on a team name it will go to their actual roster -- as opposed to their franchise page.

367

Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 16:44

I have commished a number of leagues on a number of different sites and MFL has been the hardest for me to figure out.

Thanks to all of your hard work in figuring this stuff out.

368

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 20:10

Nah, it terms of player searching and stats it is by far the best. You get so much information. you need to explore the notifications you want to receive. The waiver mess up is my fault.

We didn't customize the league home page because we were so busy with the other stuff. You can customize your own home page to show you anything you want anywhere you want on your home page.

Go to customize page under your sign in. You will love what you can do...

369

GO
ID: 50752922
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 20:21

Ok, help me out then. If I want to find what Free Agent has the most rushing yards year to date, where do i find that?

370

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 20:28

Here.

371

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 12, 2013, 20:36

Under reports --> players and there are lists of what you might want and they are sortable!!!

372

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 09:05

Ok, that helps. I went through the whole draft without that... so we'll see just how bad this team is because of it! :)

373

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 11:05

Did you sign up for the daily notes on your players? MFL does have a ton of information for us. And from a wide variety of sources which they organize for you.

374

GO
ID: 56631510
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 11:18

Yeah, that's cool. Also like the email of lineups from my opponents.

375

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 15:46

My DE is projected to score 20 points. One time!

376

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 21:24

Who?

377

beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Sep 13, 2013, 23:37

Robert Quinn. He had a career week last week and only scored 16 points.

378

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Sun, Sep 15, 2013, 14:54

I think there is an error in how the scoring is set up. I believe that the bonus points for "huge" yardage should only count for the additional yardage but not for total yardage.

for example: 152 receiving yards (James Jones total in 1st half) should be 15.0 (for 150) + 0.25 for (151-152) for a total of 15.25. in the current setup you would get 19.0 pts because the 0.125pts/yd are applied for the first 150yds too.

see here

is this a setup error or is my G24 rule interpretation wrong?

379

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 15, 2013, 14:57

Let me check...

380

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Sep 15, 2013, 14:59

It's fine: (extra copy paste lines in here... Sorry)

Rushing Yards 0-150 .1 point for every 1 Test
Rushing Yards 151-999 .125 point for every 1 Test
Rushing 2 Pointers 0-10 2 points each Test
Number of Receiving TDs 0-10 6 points each Test
Receiving Yards 0-150 .1 point for every 1 Test
Receiving Yards 151-999 .125 point for every 1 Test

381

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Sun, Sep 15, 2013, 17:18

but if you look at the scoring it is not. just make the test and check the difference between 150 and 151 yards.

is this a bug at MFL ?

382

Ref
ID: 34731299
Sun, Sep 15, 2013, 21:36

Yeah that's not right. And negative yards should be -.1 etc.

383

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 09:21

The scoring rules I had did not give negative yards which I thought was odd, but I just programmed what was in the list.

The code is correct. Why is it wrong? What am I not seeing?

384

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 09:57

1. I believe MFL to understand our scoring input to mean "You have a total of rushing yards. If that total is between 0 and 150, you get .1 for every such yard. If the total is above 150, you get .125 for every such yard -- not just for the yards over 150." And I always assumed that it was intended to work that way -- otherwise the "bonus" for big games is pretty pathetic. Your "bonus" for going over 150 yards would be .05 points. But I don't know -- my players don't get those sort of games.

2. Re negative yards -- didn't Ref always have to go back to the box scores and adjust for those manually? That would be why they weren't in the scoring rules as they were transcribed from CBS. Now it looks like they could be done automatically by MFL.

385

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 10:24

Yes the negatives are there in mfl.

So do I fix it to 151 to 999 to 0.025 for every 1? So that makes 152 yards as a .150 addition to the 150 total?

I believe that changes are or can be retroactive? Do we want to do that? There were some big games last week...I didn't think to test it. Sorry about that. What we did seems so logical. 0-150 is one set of rules and 151-999 is a different set.

Let me know what and when to do...

386

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 10:35

If you "fix" it that way teams will lose points when a rusher gets his 151st yard.

From MFL's help page it seems we need to use bonuses, the concept of "reaching range", and "formula scoring".

Here's an excerpt from their help page;

"Example 3:
If your current bonus categories are:
From 0 to 99 players get 1 pt for every 10 yards
From 100 to 199 players get 2 pts for every 10 yards
From 200 to 999 players get 3 pts for every 10 yards

You will then define your Scoring rules as follows:
From 0 to 99 players get 1 pt for every 10 yards
From 100 to 199 players get 10 pts for reaching range low and 2 pts for every 10 yards thereafter (check the box for formula scoring)
From 200 to 999 players get 30 pts for reaching range low and 3 pts for every 10 yards thereafter (check the box for formula scoring) "

387

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 17:10

So is this it?

You will then define your Scoring rules as follows:
From 0 to 150 players get .1 pt for every 1 yards
From 151 to 999 players get 0 pts for reaching range low and .25 pts for every 1 yards thereafter (check the box for formula scoring)

Also ???????
From -99 to -1 players get -.1 PT for every 1 yards (or is it for every -1 yard)

Sorry I messed this up. Been out of the loop since the knee thing. Working off iPad only. I wish we had time to test it.

Thoughts?

388

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Sep 16, 2013, 18:23

No!

From 151 to 999 players get *15* points for reaching range low, and .125 points for every 1 yard thereafter.

[That is, they get their 15 points for reaching 150 yds.]

Don't apologize. You didn't mess it up; it was difficult. No one else volunteered to do this. (I of course would have been happy to help all the way along, but I am as welcome to Ref as Al Davis was to Pete Rozelle.)

Toral

389

GO
ID: 56631510
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 10:06

I've got a 1st Round pick for sale for a solid WR or RB.

390

Frick
ID: 432501512
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 11:08

OK, I can't find it on MFL, which team are you GO? Or which e-mail can I contact you at?

391

mjd
ID: 9811120
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 13:05

J-E-T-S

392

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 13:36

I got an email from the CBS league and out of curiosity checked it out. Even though a pop-up tells me to pay up to renew, it is still running the season with the players we had starting as of the last game of last season. (I'm still 2-2). Very interesting.

393

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Sep 17, 2013, 19:59

Since there does not seem to be uproar over the scoring issue, I suggest we leave it as is and revisit for 2014.

394

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 10:14

Did waivers not run? or when do they run?

395

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 11:04

Noon.

396

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 11:05

Noon.

397

GO
ID: 56631510
Wed, Sep 18, 2013, 11:42

Thats cool, I like the extra half day for news to come out.

398

beastiemiked
ID: 298341921
Thu, Sep 19, 2013, 22:34

Why are DST's only getting 1 point for ints and fumble recoveries? Am I missing something?

399

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 07:29

Woah, scoring is really not right. We may have to scrap all bonus scoring as it is screwing up everything. I am going to try and make some time and see if I can take a look at it. May need to talk to MFL about it.

401

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 08:09

I found the issue. I think I got it figured out.

398: I will take a look but I know DST is different than IDP scoring.

402

beastiemiked
ID: 298341921
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 13:54

We've always received 2 points for fumble recoveries and interceptions. Unless I'm just losing my mind.

403

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 15:25

DST are different scores than IDPs. I am not at home so cannot look at the sheets I used. I suggest we leave the bonus scoring as is for this year and fix it for 2014. Too messy.

404

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 15:42

403: It is fixed. No rules were changed. We should prob change the bonus for QBs in the future so it's no 33% bonus. We should have added .10 instead of .20. Obviously it has to stay where it is and that is what we have always done. I think it was a rounding error on CBS or something--but I can't remember.

405

Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 18:53

There may be a rounding error. Something still isn't right though it is close. Working on it still.

406

beastiemiked
ID: 298341921
Fri, Sep 20, 2013, 20:07

I know DST and ISP are scored differently. IDP player get 3 points for an int or fumble recovery. DST SHOULD get 2 points for an int or fumble recovery. However they are only receiving 1 point for each. This a major error and the longer we wait to fix it the more backtracking it will take.

See post #7 for DST scoring.

407

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sat, Sep 21, 2013, 08:44

You are right. Everyone can go to "Scoring Rules" and look it up for himself. Here's a simple cut-and-paste from 'Rules for Def':

"Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 0-10 1 point each Test
Interceptions Caught 0-10 1 point each Test
Blocked Field Goals 0-10 2 points each Test
Blocked Punts 0-10 2 points each Test
Blocked Extra Points 0-10 2 points each Test
Sacked a QB 0-25 1 point each Test
Safeties 0-10 2 points each Test"

408

beastiemiked
ID: 30872210
Sun, Sep 22, 2013, 11:07

Guess its not going to get fixed this week.

409

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 09:42

408: My time is so limited, I am not sure I should even be pretending to be commish. That being said, I do have knowledge of what we have put together. I can help, but I can't do it all any longer. Unfortunately, Judy and GO are in the same situation I am. We wouldn't be going through this if we hadn't changed sites.

However, I spent some more time on things today and discovered that there were errors and fixed the following on DSTs:
INTs 1 to 2
FR 1 to 2
BLK Punts 2 to 3
BLK FG 2 to 3

There still seems to be an error on bonus yardage but it seems to be a rounding error. I have asked YR to take a look. Anyhow who has time feel free to work on things. Obviously we want it done right.

410

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 11:49

Will those changes retroactively change scores from the first 3 weeks?

411

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 13:28

passing yards look fine now:

Passing Yards	-100-999	.04 point for every 1
Passing Yards	400-999	0 points for 400, and then .02 point for every 1 thereafter

the same needs to be set up for rushing and receiving too, so the current 2 rules that try to accomplish that should be changed to:

Rushing Yards	150-999	0 points for 150, and then .025 point for every 1 thereafter
Receiving Yards	150-999	0 points for 150, and then .025 point for every 1 thereafter

412

GO
ID: 56631510
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 13:48

I don't think we can go back and correct things, but that's just me. Unless MFL has some magic way to do that we could consider.

We had disclaimers out there that everyone was to be checking their schedules, rosters, scoring etc and if anything was not matching we'd correct going forward.

413

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 15:58

411: YR: it is trickier than that. I have set 0 points for hitting the low range and then .025 for each yard above that in the 2nd row of pass/rush/rec. I spent a couple hours messing with this a few days ago and the passing still wasn't working. Got the passing to work and the others was exactly right. I think it was the low range of 0 on my trial and error with the passing is what I needed to fix on the rush and receiving. Hope it is right now.

411: In CBS if you make a change it affects everything all scoring for the year. I would assume that is the same in MFL but I don't know that to be true.

414

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Mon, Sep 23, 2013, 17:19

rushing and receiving looks good now.

The scoring pages for week 1 and week 2 are corrected, the standings aren't yet, because I should lose a week 2 matchup by 0.1 points and be 0-4 right now. this will probably happen when standings are updated monday night.

415

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Sep 24, 2013, 06:48

sorry. I should be 1-5 because I lost 1 game again this week. standings show me at 2-4, so retro-changes were not made yet.

I see nothing mentioned about retroactive scoring in the MFL help, but there is the option of activating Scoring Changes that seem to occur every Thursday morning:

If you want them to be applied automatically each week, then you can select the check box at the top of the screen. With the automatic process option, the changes will be applied on Thursday morning each week shortly after 10:00am ET. Note that the automatic processing option will retroactively update all past weeks, so if you turn on the auto apply option in Week #5, it will update weeks 1 through 4 as well.

I don't know if this is active in our league, but it may solve our problem.

416

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Sep 24, 2013, 12:38

I noticed that the team's scoring sheets have been corrected, but the head to head scoring has not.

Losing by less than a point has to stop now. That's two weeks in a row. Somehow they took 1.2 points away from CJ Spiller in week 2 and I don't know why.

417

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 11:30

Buffalo Bills dropped: Ogbonnaya, Chris CLE RB
and acquired: Brooks, Ahmad SFO LB

I meant to drop Da'Rel Scott instead. Anyway we can have that transaction reversed?

I originally had Scott checked and never clicked on "add to list". When I clicked submit it was deemed an invalid transaction, took me back to the waivers page, and every name was checked off. That said, it's already frustrating enough performing waivers on MFL via iOS7, I just rushed through the process and dropped the wrong guy.

418

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 18:10

I fixed it for you. Shoot me an email if it did not work, but it should be fine. Sorry I did not see it earlier.

419

Slizz
ID: 36111511
Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 18:13

Thank you!!

420

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 18:17

Memo to all. If you have a problem a commish might be able to solve, please shoot an email esp. Judy. I often do not read the thread until later in the day.

421

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Oct 06, 2013, 14:55

Talk about dumb luck. My only non bye QB is Foles and Vick gets hurt!

422

GO
ID: 438333012
Mon, Oct 07, 2013, 09:11

I suggest adding (via Franchise Setup, Home Page, GameDay tab) the "Monday Night Report" -- a nice summary to check on Monday morning to see whats left for MNF game.

423

Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Oct 14, 2013, 17:38

I just did what you suggested and still can't find it. I dislike MFL greatly.

424

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Oct 14, 2013, 18:27

Ref. Be specific. What do you not like? The options are available to customize your home page and to do player research. You just need to experiment with it!

425

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Oct 14, 2013, 18:30

Re 422. Go to customize page under your login and scroll down the modules until you see Monday night report and add it in to your personal hem page. Not sure what GO was doing...may have been a commish attribute.

426

GO
ID: 59918108
Tue, Oct 15, 2013, 09:19

Not sure how much quicker my season can go down the tubes... from 1st place to L6 in a row and everybody hurt and now in last. Highest points against too isn't helping.

I'm looking to trade all my healthy talent for future considerations.

427

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Tue, Oct 15, 2013, 13:06

1-3 in games decided by less than a point. Just the fact Ive had 4 of those games already kind of grinds my gears.

428

mjd
ID: 9811120
Mon, Oct 21, 2013, 15:31

Initially posted this in the wrong thread.

I see that neither Robert Mathis nor the Indy D was credited with that safety of Manning in the 2nd quarter of last night's game.

What's up with that?

429

Frick
ID: 432501512
Mon, Oct 21, 2013, 16:06

I can't speak for MFL, but Yahoo had a link to the scoring rules this morning commenting on it. Since the ball wasn't recovered, no safety is credited to the Defense and Manning isn't credited with a fumble lost, since it was recovered.

I don't know what the specific NFL rules are, but I wouldn't be surprised if the scoring is adjusted after the NFL releases their adjustments.

If you interested, here is the Yahoo link .

430

GO
ID: 109381022
Mon, Oct 21, 2013, 19:21

Judy are you not sure how I added the awesome Monday night report? what was the commish attribute you thought i had?

431

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Oct 21, 2013, 21:20

Not sure, but when I did it as just me there was a different procedure. I thought maybe doing it on the league home page might be different??

432

Frick
ID: 432501512
Tue, Oct 22, 2013, 08:03

Is there a way to not get everyone's roster submissions e-mailed to you? I have poked around, but can't find it and I'm getting tired of having my e-mail spammed.

433

GO
ID: 59918108
Tue, Oct 22, 2013, 08:48

Absolutely. For Owners/FranchiseSetup/ContactInfo you can customize all contact info. Tons of options.

434

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Oct 22, 2013, 16:01

2 wins but 2 keepers out for the year. Ouch! If there's anyone interested in trading for Finley or Wayne with thoughts for next year let me know. I have alot of byes coming up and the bench is tight.

435

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Oct 23, 2013, 14:59

Geez what a QB choice this weekend: Ponder, Foles, or Clemens. Ouch!

436

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Oct 23, 2013, 17:16

Is it time revisit the legality of running with an empty position slot? I had 9 of my 20 players with byes this week and would much rather have a S/CB starting than any DE/DT available, without dumping any of my LB's. I'm sure there are other teams that would love to bench their defenses for certain games.

We can do those things in baseball, not exactly sure why that is not allowed in football.

437

Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Oct 23, 2013, 17:41

You can start a bye week player at DL. One just has to be on your roster and not on IR. etc.

I may have started this league, but lately it has been tougher and tougher to get anything done. Can't seem to find a trade partner to save my soul and not give away my entire future. Can't rebuild because can't find anyone who actually does anything. Had a top pick who doesn't even play. My QB is hurt and I have tried to claim QB after QB w/o luck. Have attempted to trade for crap QBs but can't afford to give away top picks/players for one who is a temp fill and won't be there next ssn.

These deep leagues were designed so even if things were hopeless for this year, you could still make trades and load up for future years. Well I have attempted to do just that the last few years w/o success. The only move I have been able to do was for Gonzo and I could only get a 2nd for him as he was going to retire. I don't need any sympathy as I have done my fair share of winning, but I am honestly at my wits end here.

MFL is also vastly hindering my enjoyment. I am not knocking anyone else's opinion, but I'd rather play ESPN or Yahoo than MFL. I understand that those free games may not allow 24 teams and all the things we need them to do, but yuck. At least I don't have to go in and manually add in negative yards each week!

438

GO
ID: 349202318
Wed, Oct 23, 2013, 19:20

Yahoo is without debate the best for NFL. Its a shame they can't accommodate the 24 teams or doubleheaders. ESPN I think better for baseball and hoops.

439

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Oct 24, 2013, 15:41

Ref.. it's funny but that's exactly how I feel in G20. My experience with keeper leagues is talent begets talent. If you start with none, it is extremely difficult to acquire any. Sure, you can build in the draft, which might get you 2 keeper quality players, if you're lucky.

440

mjd
ID: 9811120
Thu, Oct 24, 2013, 17:01

I took over a pretty crappy team in this league and after 2-3 years have been in the playoffs every year since.

Mostly rebuilt through the draft, but a few trades.

My rebuild effort in G20 has been a bust so far.

With shorter careers of skill players in the NFL, RBs in particular, I think it's easier to rebuild a fantasy football team.

That said, my rebuilding efforts in RG14 have been a total flop to date.

441

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Oct 24, 2013, 17:38

MFL has incredible options, but one needs to take the time to find and maybe use them. For example, I did not know about the Monday night football module until GO mentioned it. Where else do you get the massive amount of data they provide in one place with links? And email alerts you can customize? With the opportunity to design your own homepage page with the stuff you want to see on a regular basis. It beats CBS and yahoo hands down.

442

GO
ID: 59918108
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 11:41

Judy have you used Yahoo recently for football? Its got pretty awesome features. I'll give you my login so you can explore it a bit if you'd like. And significantly easier to navigate, make trades, plan lineups etc. The Automated Insights program that writes weekly stories about the league is absolutely incredible.

MFL does have some nice stuff, but its terrible to navigate. You just go in circles sometimes. And not being able to submit a waiver claim on a Sunday or Monday when the games are going on is insane... what if I'm travelling and need to put my weekly claims in on a Monday?

How about having my teams matchup/scoring either be highlighted or always on top so I don't have to scroll through 20 matchups to find my name?

Here is one for you... is there a way I can get them to email after my waivers complete in MFL? cause I had no idea I won my waiver claim yesterday and didn't get the guy in the lineup last night because of it.

I can turn on notify of ALL transactions... but who wants emails for all moves for everyone in the whole league? I don't see a happy medium. Yahoo emails results of waiver claims automaticaly.

443

mjd
ID: 9811120
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 12:59

I refer Yahoo for all my fsntasy sports. But I want to participate in various different leagues, so I hop aboard the old learning curve and deal wth it.

To date, we still have not found the ideal site to handle the complexities of G24, but MFL is close. Certainly, there's a ton of seemingly hidden information to be mined on the site, but they do have this handy little "Help" box at the top right that can answer almost all the questions posed by managers on this thread.

GO, anytime after noon on Wednesdays, hit the transactions link on your homepage and you can see every waver claim peocessed. There's usually no more than a handful, so it's not a long list.
I do get an email of all claims processed shortly after noon on Wed, but I also am interested in what player is dropped everytime an add/drop is made.

The only way to get comfortable using any of these game sites is to use them. The RIFC has been using MFL for a few years now and initially I did not like it, but after using it now for several years, I actually felt comfortable enough tovolunteer to commish a league this year.

444

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 13:19

I also took over a pretty crappy team in G24 and it's made the playoffs 2 of 3 years with a 61-31 record to date. But it is easier to rebuild a fantasy football team, because the draft has NFL stars ready for primetime. In my baseball keeper leagues you're getting at best the 150th best player in the league - hard to field a good team building that way.

MFL kind of sucks to navigate, and I admit after the years of using it I still forget where everything is at the beginning of the year. It just needs a better UI.

445

GO
ID: 59918108
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 13:36

I know I can go in and view the transactions, the problem is I am always on the road it seems now I getting the email of my waivers makes it much simpler. I forget with these mid day waiver processing.

The fact that I have to wait to Tuesdays to set up my waiver bids is WAY more aggravating.

446

mjd
ID: 9811120
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 16:08

Just went to commish controls of the AAA league I commish and it looks like the commish can determine at what time waver claims can begin.

It looks like it can be changed to just about any time that you want. Granted the RIFC uses a different waver process and I'm not able to see G24 options.

One thing I have liked about MFL is their timely and consise answers to email questions. And they have made improvements to the site nearly every year. Whether these improvements are due to customer requests or not, I don't know, but they do seem open to suggestions for improving their site (unlike CBS) and don't seem to make changes to things that don't need changed (like CBS does).

Hey, I'm not totally enamored with MFL either, but no one has even recommended another viable site to check out. MFL even has a mid season game that's free to try out. Any other site that's applicable to our format doing that? If so, let's check it out.

447

GO
ID: 59918108
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 16:29

Unfortunately I don't think any others have the division and doubleheader setup so its kind of MFL or bust (aka CBS). Just gotta work with it and continue to fine tune things.

448

mjd
ID: 9811120
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 16:53

Can the waver request times be changed?

449

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 17:41

Mjd -- what would you suggest? I think it is set for mid way through the Monday night game...

450

mjd
ID: 9811120
Fri, Oct 25, 2013, 19:36

I'm fine with whatever. I research on Tuesday and post initial claims that PM. Then sleep on it Tues night before finally deciding Wed AM.

Since claims won't go through until noon on Wed, it really doesn't matter. Could be as early as Sunday midnight (Sat night), but GO wants to be able to make claims during Sun or Mon games, so make it 1 PM Sunday. But as I said, it doesn't matter to me.

GO...

451

GO
ID: 349202318
Sun, Oct 27, 2013, 21:40

I don't get why I can't set a claim up whenever I want -- if a guy breaks his leg on Sunday I want to put a claim in right then for his backup before I forget. I get that it doesn't process for a few days... but whats the motivation to not let me set it up? I work 80 hours a week and travel, there is never a guarantee I am going to have time to do my waiver setup in the exact Tuesday to early Wednesday window.

452

mjd
ID: 9811120
Sun, Oct 27, 2013, 22:28

Looks like the earliest it can be set up is 12 AM Sunday which is actually Sat night... I suggested Sunday at 1 PM. No reason that can't be changed immediately since no matter when the claim is placed, it's not processed until Wed noon. Someone with commish powers just needs to change it.

What about the team D/ST scoring? If Peyton Manning throws a pick six (like today), the Denver D/ST should not be charged (currently they are). This and any other D/ST scoring changes can go into effect next year after further league discssion.

453

GO
ID: 349202318
Sun, Oct 27, 2013, 23:06

Denver D should not be charged with that.. extra point only. It wasn't that way at CBS, was it?

454

mjd
ID: 9811120
Mon, Oct 28, 2013, 01:00

Better check some other games to see if it's been that way all season.

455

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Oct 28, 2013, 16:30

I am pretty sure that the defense is charged for all points scored on the team. We discussed changing this earlier in this thread, but right now it should be all points.

I would love to make the change that eliminates TD's scored directly on turnovers, especially in this era of supercharged offenses already making things difficult.

456

mjd
ID: 9811120
Mon, Oct 28, 2013, 17:13

They are currently being charged for all points, but not sure if they were last year in CBS.

Ref might know that.

Regardless, I think we all agree that the D/ST scoring needs to be revamped and simplified.

457

Promize
ID: 179302817
Mon, Oct 28, 2013, 18:30

Announcing a trade with Kansas City Chiefs and Seattle Seahawks:

KC:
Miles Austin
Vikings D
Cole Beasley
2014 1st Round
2015 1st Round (If KC finishes in Top 5 in 2013 or 2014; becomes 2nd round in 2015 if KC finishes 6-24 in 2013 and 2014)

Seahawks:
Stevie Johnson
Greenbay D
Tamba Hali
2014 11th Round
2015 4th Round (If KC finishes in Top 5 in 2013 or 2014; becomes 3rd 2015 if KC finishes 6-24 in 2013 and 2014)

458

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Oct 28, 2013, 21:11

Will be trying to get you info about dues for 2012 and 2013 as well as suggestions for DST changes...

Does by one know how much the winners get($$$$) for each place? We did not have a payout last season...

459

mjd
ID: 9811120
Wed, Oct 30, 2013, 12:13

Looking for a bye week D/ST.

460

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Oct 30, 2013, 23:00

Good luck on that one mjd. I am taking a zero instead...

461

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 03, 2013, 18:07

Wow FOLES!!!!!!!!

462

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 03, 2013, 18:56

Come on chip. Let him go for 8!

463

GO
ID: 301045323
Mon, Nov 04, 2013, 00:45

Andre Johnson still available to a contender.

464

GO
ID: 59918108
Mon, Nov 04, 2013, 13:38

Working 15 hours the next 2 days... hoping I remember to get my waiver claims in since it won't let me submit them right now. Are we going to roll that back to Sunday sometime at least?

465

mjd
ID: 9811120
Mon, Nov 04, 2013, 21:43

Whoever has commish powers should just set it for 1 PM Sunday.

We could put in claims on CBS at any time, so we're not making a rule change that would require a league vote.

We've been asking for this for two weeks now. Whoever has the keys to this bus needs to just change it immediately.

Bueller?

466

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 00:15

Whew. Got through 3 bye starts, including QB, in the last 2 weeks at 2-2.

Wayne is still available for someone who wants a keeper for next year.

468

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 03:03

465 Wouldn't that destroy the ability we have now to make pickups and insert them into the lineup after Sunday at 1 PM that we have right now? (At least I have thought we had it -- the list of transactions don't show anyone having used it. But I had thought as per the calendar that we could in MFL make a pickup for a 4 PM game so long as we dropped someone playing at 4 PM or later.)

469

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 03:56

I would have used a late pickup this week if Foster would have been inactive. turned out that it would have been better to pick up a RB because he got re-injured on the first drive of the game. on the other hand it would not have changed much because my team sucked this week.

speaking of injuries, especially QB's: I have 3 starting QB's right now: Wilson, Dalton, Keenum. I need Keenum for the week 12 bye of Wilson and Dalton. Would rather keep Wilson as my QB of the future, so anyone interested in Andy Dalton? I am interested in RB/WR guys that can get me into the playoffs and with the tough luck I have (2nd most points against).

471

GO
ID: 59918108
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 10:04

I am emailing a screenshot of the waiver options to those who have chimed in about it. If anyone can post here for all that would be great but I can't figure it out.

472

mjd
ID: 9811120
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 13:58

468-That might be an issue. As I recall CBS had a check box to execute transaction immediately or wait until next time wavers were run.

Don't believe MFL has that option.

GO may be SOL.

473

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 21:35

468 I too was waiting on a 4 pm IN/OUT but forgot to check in time...

The reason waivers open at 10:30 Monday is that all players who could have played have played. So everyone is starting with a clean chance...also at 10:30 FCFS pick ups end.

So at 10:30 Monday night you can make a waiver claim which will be awarded weds at noon.

Also exactly what is the issue? The deadlines are listed under the calendar link and it is the same as the rifc leagues, so I am not sure what the problem is...

474

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 21:36

GO shoot me the screenshot please via email. Thanks.

475

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 21:40

I also got another email that I think showed confusion between the use of the waiver wire order and the FCFS pick up of free agents and players once they unlock.

The waiver wire order is only for the weds noon awards. After that it is FCFS for unlocked players beginning at 3.

There was some discussion elsewhere that maybe the FCFS should be later -- say at night on weds to give folks more time (work gets in the way, not everyone can hang by a computer/phone waiting for it to chime to 3:00.00).

476

mjd
ID: 9811120
Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 11:23

We're used to CBS running claims after Wed for any players dropped and locked, where as MFL only allows for claims once (on Wed). After that, all dropped players are locked for 24 hours then unlocked to a free-for-all FCFS.

It's a major advantage for those with easy computer access to have first shot at those newly unlocked players.

477

GO
ID: 301045323
Wed, Nov 06, 2013, 20:14

I wonder if anyone else has scored 100 more points from one week to the next. From league low to high score.

478

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 10, 2013, 17:13

There's a 6-12 team currently with an invalid roster, who also failed to swap out a bye week QB.

Just saying...

479

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 10, 2013, 20:58

478. Duly noted by commish.

480

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 10, 2013, 22:52

We're gonna ease a brown in so I sit him
115 yds w TD.
Colston's been stinking it up so it sit him as well
94 yds so far w TD

Gonna lose tonight...

481

Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Nov 11, 2013, 09:06

478, 479
Everything is cool. Real life in the way...

482

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Nov 15, 2013, 11:22

Any picks in that Jets-Cowboys trade?

Nice one, BTW.

483

GO
ID: 01020815
Fri, Nov 15, 2013, 11:43

No picks.

484

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 17:18

The injuries to my keepers are starting to catch up to me. Now outside looking in. My saviors this year have been Stafford and CAR Def (who saw that one coming? it was just a bye week pick), but just about everyone else has let me down this year. My only chance is to run the table and hope one of the 3 teams in my division run into some bad matchups.

485

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 17:58

I just sent two VERY IMPORTANT EMAILS. Please read them carefully and give your opinions on each here.

Thanks.

486

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 18:42

I was smart and made a copy of the rules from CBS. Here is the prize pool:

1st: $100
2nd: $60
3rd: $42.50
4th: $32.50
5th: $30
6th: $22.50
7th: $17.50
8th: $15
Best Regular Season Record: $10

That is a total of $330 for the prize pool.

2012 finish:
Bills
Eagles
Giants
Chargers
Chiefs
Packers
Lions
Bengals
Best record: Lions

487

GO
ID: 301045323
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 18:50

I enjoy having team defense and wouldn't want to see it go.

488

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 19:25

From Judy's questions, step one: I favour keeping team defence.

489

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 19:38

I don't think we want to eliminate D/ST, we just want to possibly adjust/simplify the scoring.

To start, only charge them for scores that they actually allow, not for the TDs scored by the opposing D/ST.

490

Doug
ID: 11740813
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 19:40

I like Team Defense, but not gonna fight tooth and nail for it. Personally I'd be fine with adding IDPs a la RIFC AND keeping Team D... Don't see those as mutually exclusive at all.

491

Slizz
ID: 51101755
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 20:06

Eliminate it.

492

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 20:43

My opinion is that we should phase out team DEF over a 3-5 year period with decreases in points awarded for each category as it is being phased out.

For example we currently award 2 points for a fumble recovery. We can decrease this as follows
2013 - 2 points
2014 - 1.5 points
2015 - 1 point
2016 - .5 points
2017 - Defense eliminated.

Because I own the weak Redskins Defense I would like to have team DEF eliminated next season, but I don't think that would be fair to owners that have invested in a strong team DEF. However, I do not see a good long term reason for having team DEF in a league that has IDPs.

493

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 19, 2013, 21:11

G24 has always had D/ST.

I'm not particularly interested in playing in a 24 team RIFC league.

494

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Wed, Nov 20, 2013, 03:33

I am in favor of keeping D/ST.

as suggested previously, scoring should be adjusted so that only points that were actually allowed by the D/ST are counted. (switch TPA to OPA, see possible scoring rules)

would have loved to add penalty yards to the list of yards allowed, but it is not possible to divide between offense/defense penalties. I hate seeing other defenses have less yardage allowed because of some pass interference calls.

495

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 20, 2013, 11:38

In an effort to reduce or eliminate negative scores from D/STs, I was going to suggest muting the negative points for yards allowed.

A 300 yard passing day has become routine and many of today's high powered offenses are racking up 500 and 600 yard games.

This was not the case when these particular scoring parameters were set up over 10 years ago.

The game has evolved and so should we.

496

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Nov 20, 2013, 13:06

Anybody know anything about a trophy for the winner that gets engraved and sent to the winner?? Who has it? Who knows anything.

I appointed valkyrie to be the treasurer and he is figuring out the finances once we get all the information we need to have!!

It will be a double looking bill as it is for two seasons...

497

GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Nov 20, 2013, 14:07

I believe its a new small trophy every year, you get to keep it.

498

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Nov 20, 2013, 18:20

I was looking over the rules for DST and think that they are solid but could use some slight adjustments with the way offenses operate in this era.

Points: raise the 0 score from 21-24 to 25-28. The next three existing levels would be -1, -3, and -5, with -5 being the minimum score. 21-24 would then give a score of 1. Each score from 20 - 2 would give increasing points from 2 - 20, and a score of 0 would give 22 points. Do not count points not scored on the defense (opposing defensive TD's)

Yards: raise the category scores by .5 across the board.

Turnovers: reduce points from turnovers from 2 to 1.
Sacks, blocks, safeties, TD's remain the same

This will even the playing field a bit, and take out some of the violent swings in points for many defenses from week to week. I think the biggest problem with DST in a deep keeper league is that there are not enough good ones for everyone, and unlike all other players, are very unpredictable.

499

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Wed, Nov 20, 2013, 20:45

I'd like to see what it looks like if we track this change proposal for the next few weeks.

500

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Nov 20, 2013, 21:22

Who is a math whiz who could do "what if" scenario spread sheets or whatever?

501

GO
ID: 01020815
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 16:05

I've started Cushing and put him in trade offers for a few weeks not ever knowing he was hurt. The peril of lack of news info from MFL and not actually watching the games cause I'm too busy. They've had him projected to score points every week so i keep trotting him out there... that little red "I" is barely visible and contains no news info or updates.

502

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 16:21

I can try it if I can find the raw stats. I think they are on MFL?

Then I will line up a teams current DST scores with the changed scores and see if there is much of a difference

503

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 17:04

Thanks nerf!!!

504

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 17:08

Does anyone have the order of finish for 2011? Just asking. I think I came in second -- or was it 2010?

505

gshade
ID: 357591614
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 17:30

I'd be content with just elimating negative total pts for defenses. If your team DST gives up 600 yrds and 50 pts, instead of losing 10pts on the week, you cap your downside to 0pts.

It's far too easy for the worst D's in the league to score negative pts on a consistent basis (and unfortunately everyone has to start one). With all other positions, the chances of scoring less than 0 are exponetially lower.

To put it in relative terms, it helps to compare starter points by position for QB, TE, K, & DST (all positions limited to one starter or where an owner is likely to use only one player). The lowest scoring franchise at each of these positions has scored the following YTD:

QB: 79 (highest = 294)
K: 75 (123)
TE: 71 (173)
DST: 19 (183)

The worst DST is much, much lower than the others. A big reason (not the only) are multiple negative games. If you elimate those negative games, the DST number jumps from 19 to 35.

I don't think it's a perfect improvement, but I do think it eliminating negative pt games would be the easiest to implement and bring some stability to the position.

506

gshade
ID: 357591614
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 17:34

I totally lied...

The lowest starter points for TE is 11.4

I still stand by my eliminate negative games comment! haha

507

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 17:59

Probably my team -- AZ.

508

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 18:15

That might be the easiest solution.

And only points they actually give up.

509

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 18:15

gshade that is an interesting and very simple solution and probably should be considered. I did some preliminary tests on my defense scoring adjustments. I tried the scores on 6 teams of varying levels. MFL had stats for everything but blocks and safeties, but those are rare enough that it shouldn't affect the numbers too badly. For Houston (and only Houston) I added the extra wrinkle of taking away defensive TD's against, since they have had by far the most this year.

Team, Old score, New score, old standard deviation, new standard deviation, old high, old low, new high, new low.
PHI, 57.5, 64, 7.42, 5.91, 15, -11.5, 15.5, -6
KC, 183, 186, 10.82, 11.51, 32, -1, 37, -.5
MIA, 76.5, 78.5, 7.22, 6.69, 19.5, -3.5, 22, -2
HOU, 51, 66, 4.71, 3.88, 10, -3, 13.5, 2
CAR, 163, 165, 10.78, 10.08, 37, 1, 35.5, 2.5
ATL, 19, 33, 5.58, 4.74, 11, -5, 11.5, -2.5

As you can see, in all 6 examples points increased, and in 5 out of 6 examples, the standard deviation went down, even when the points went up. Low scores were mitigated.

One thing I did notice is something we forgot to add to MFL - special teams TD's. Defenses are supposed to get credit for their special teams TD's, and this has not been happening. There's only been 13 of these all year, and a very poor Vikings team has 3 of them, so it's not really a game breaker, but probably should be added back for 2014.

One other thing that might be neat to add, if possible, is return average, divided by 10. so if you average 5 yards per punt return you get .5 points, 20 yards per KO return gets you 2 points. something nice to make it a true DST.

510

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Nov 21, 2013, 19:35

One thing I did notice is something we forgot to add to MFL - special teams TD's. Defenses are supposed to get credit for their special teams TD's, and this has not been happening. There's only been 13 of these all year, and a very poor Vikings team has 3 of them, so it's not really a game breaker, but probably should be added back for 2014.

We do have it for players and def:

Number of Defensive & Special Teams TDs 0-10 6 points each Test

511

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 12:17

Appreciate the numbers, Nerf.

However, the proposal in 505 is so easy to impliment. Other than just counting DPA, nothing really needs to change with zero being the lowest score you can get for D/ST.

Most (if not all) of us would prefer to take a zero on our D/ST bye week anyway.

512

Slizz
ID: 51101755
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 14:10

I have a hard time to why we feel it is an essential roster spot given how deep our idp rosters are. The only reason I feel we have it and people support it is because of its history in the league and it's place fantasy football history.

I've said it before and will mention it again that the spot is just as arbitrary as having a "Team Offense". Only that fantasy football was created to track the offensive players individually and selecting a defense was easier to track from a team standpoint...

I know it's not as easy as scrapping it next season as it would be unfair to teams that are in the haves. Shoot, STL DST won me the championship bc of their 33 pt outburst in the finals last year. But like td said we would need a transition to when it would be eliminated.

However, If we aren't scrapping DST I'd support the proposal in #505.

End rant.

513

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 15:10

If we adopt no negatives for def, do we just want to adopt no negative scores for any player?

514

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 15:11

Finding out how the league in general feels about keeping or dumping D/ST is simple on MFL, set up a poll and let everyone vote.

The results of this poll don't need to be the final word. They can just tell us which direction we as a league would like to proceed in the future.

A. Phase out team D/ST over a time frame.

B. Keep team D/ST and change the scoring system.

515

GO
ID: 01020815
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 16:05

GO - B. Keep team D/ST and change the scoring system.

516

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 17:22

I'm OK with other negative scores. If a RB fumbles on his first carry of the day and gets benched, he deserves to wear red.

517

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 18:00

I am pretty sure we can set stats to a 0 to positive number range...but really, how often does an offensive player get a negative number? You gotta be really bad to do that.

I wonder what the lowest negative number for an offensive player has been? If it is under 10 points I would see maybe leaving it. ie., set a lower limit.

Shoot I think I remember one year someone lost a game because of QB kneel downs at the end of a game, that really stinks -- but no way to fix that, just a painful yard at a time...

518

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 18:31

It rarely happens with skill players. More often with QB's.

519

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 18:40

A quick glance at the scores for how many negative scores have been posted to date:

QB: 10
RB/WR/TE (top 100): 12
PK: 1
DEF: 52

520

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Nov 22, 2013, 21:32

519. Any way to know if the QB were started by a team for the negative?

So the math is 24 QB times 10 weeks (adding byes in there) equals 240 potential starting QB and 10 negs. As opposed to 52 def negs.

Next Q. How many def were under 5 points compared to starting QB under 5 points? Just to get a frame of reference...negative vs a low score.

The RB/WR/TE is negligible with 24x 5 possibilities and only 12 negs.

521

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Sat, Nov 23, 2013, 11:12

I agree with post 514. Judy asked us to express our opinion by Nov. 22, so we should start taking the next steps now. The first step is to determine if we should keep or phase out D/ST.

522

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Nov 23, 2013, 16:13

Working on it...

523

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 12:44

Please vote ASAP on this thread:

Please select one of the following options for the 2014 season:

A) Drop DST

B) Keep DST (with options to be discussed and voted upon later)

NOTE: If the vote is to keep DST, a follow up poll will allow you to select from the options that have been discussed in the thread.

524

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 12:46

(repeating vote from post 488):

B

525

youngroman
ID: 3913664
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 12:49

526

Slizz
ID: 51101755
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 13:50

527

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 14:01

528

jseth333
Dude
ID: 24100310
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 14:44

529

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 17:31

Many thanks to valkyrie/steve for figuring out the finances and presenting them in a format we can all understand. If you were unable to download it let either one of us know.

Now all we need to do is pay up. If you are owed money, let me know if and how you want it (PayPal or check) or if you want it to sit "in escrow" for the future.

Thanks.

530

valkyrie
ID: 3510382416
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 17:38

B This is one of the reasons why I really do not like keeper leagues. Yes i agree having a team defense is a bad rule and I would not put it in a new league but once you start a keeper league there is virtually no way to make a significant change in anything without unfairly impacting someone.
If you want to dump Tdef I would say let's wrap up this league and start a new one with the rules we want. Sorry, in my opinion you just can't change the rules midstream.

531

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 17:43

I may have misunderstood the spreadsheet but why are we paying 2014 fees now?

532

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 18:04

Just to make life easier if you plan to play next year. You don't have to...also one less thing to deal with next season.

533

skinneej
ID: 4010352418
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 19:35

534

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 20:08

535

TD
Leader
ID: 036331011
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 21:14

536

GO
ID: 151062422
Sun, Nov 24, 2013, 23:06

537

Frick
ID: 432501512
Mon, Nov 25, 2013, 08:50

538

Building 7
ID: 247531214
Mon, Nov 25, 2013, 08:56

539

Ref
ID: 34731299
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 11:15

Guys, I have been absolutely swamped. I have communicated when I can with Judy/GO via email. I have probably not even read all of them and I know I haven't really looked at the finance emails.

Since I started the league and let our original 24 help tweak and rework the originally rules and the rules since, let me go over some of the issues that has been brought to my attention here or via email.

1. We have a rule that stats that ANY major rule issue must have a 2/3 majority to change (16). The Def thing is as major as it comes so everyone needs to get on the same page or there will be no change. If it is a minor tweak like a slight alteration to a scoring play, like INTs add a point etc., then that is considered a minor rule change and you will only need a simple majority of 13 or if there are no dissents, you can change it w/o a vote.

Defenses were put in with the possibility of a very high score or a very low score. At the time with all big time RBs and other scorers, we wanted to make the team Ds more valuable. The difference from a top DST to a bottom DST was huge. Later on we added the yards against by popular demand to make them even more valuable. It's pretty tough in a keeper league to take away a great DST from someone. I tend to agree that we may need a scoring adjustment, but I am adamantly opposed to no negative points allowed. That is so foreign to me it is crazy. We used to trade these all the time, but the trading here is all dried up. I blame that on MFL. Not sure if that's the cause or not, but this site has basically started pushing me out the door. I can't get into it at all. Hate it. I am playing in an ESPN league with my neighbors and it is still fun (even though the G24 rules are better :))

2. Rules: I have busted my ass for years to make sure all of the rules are spelled out in our constitution. Not sure if they are in MFL or not but please read them once in awhile to brush up on stuff. I should like the angelfire web site I have with all of our rules and G20/24 leagues, but gotta find that too :)

3. Playoffs: Remember it is 1v4 and 2v3 in each conference. Each Div winner gets an automatic berth and will be the 1 and 2 seeds regardless of record. 3 and 4 seeds are the wildcard teams and are the best records in the conference regardless of division. Playoffs count toward draft order for next season for the top 8. The consolation tournament teams will not count. Their records are frozen for draft order after reg ssn ends after week 13.

4: Voting: As for my personal view of this DST thing, I am not sure there is an adequate plan to adjust for life without DST. I have always seen the problem though. 24 teams and 32 DSTs. But we have the same thing with Kickers and no one is talking about dumping them. Granted Ks can be changed or hurt and DSTs can't. Also, you could pick up a K who isn't playing just to satisfy the requirement of having one and can't do that with a DST. I think if trading is where it was a few years ago, this would be a no-brianer to keep.But w/o trading, getting stuck with a bad DST can be a huge obstacle to try and overcome. It would probably take two more IDPs to replace a DST and get the IDPs to be thin enough to replicate the other facets of our game. IMO, it is still too easy to find nice IDPs who are FAs. When that happens, it's pretty tough to trade them. DSTs aren't traded as much because, most do not have two of them and hard to gauge how they are goign to do from week to week unless you trade a top for a bottom one and most wont give up a top DST.

I know it is late in the game, but if we did vote to do away with DST, then we probably need to go down to 8 Keepers since everyone keeps a DST as is. The problem with adding two IDPs though is all those byes. You really don't want to add more bench spots because of hoarding, but you need to fill byes without losing keepers or top guys on byes. I know I am giving more questions than answers, but sometimes your "fix" creates more problems. Normally, we have these votes during off-season as our emotional attachment to our current squad isn't so pervasive. Guess I would lean toward B, but could vote A if there was a better plan for it.

540

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 12:10

I fail to see how MFL has killed trades.

And thank CBS for us moving our game site.

541

GO
ID: 01020815
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 12:50

I do agree to an extent that MFL's difficult interface has limited my trading ability. I struggle to sort and organize players when finding guys to target.

542

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 14:18

MFL's biggest liability is also ironically it's best asset. Trying to accommidate any league regardless of format.

I see lack of trades as an evolution of our particular format. In a deep league, people have discovered it's just not worth giving up a mid round pick just to cover a bye week TE or kicker. Or risking a negative number on a questionable D/ST.

543

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 15:51

539. The problem with winter off season is that no one cares again after playoffs until June or so when pre season hype begins and then it is too late to have a sane discussion for that season.

544

GO
ID: 01020815
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 15:53

Yes, this is the best time to make changes because its all fresh.

547

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 16:42

Also here's the link to Ref's Angelfire site.

548

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 49725166
Tue, Nov 26, 2013, 19:19

549

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 38502923
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 00:14

550

Doug
ID: 11740813
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 04:12

Back from overseas trip... Vote is B

551

ccrider
ID: 331046276
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 07:46

552

Promize
ID: 11109186
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 12:07

553

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 13:18

It looks pretty obvious that keeping DST is going to pass, since we'd have to have 16 votes of A to change it.

So the next question is: what do we do to change DST, if anything?

Keep the same
Alternate scoring
No negatives

I understand Ref's point that the intention of DST was to keep it from *always* being a high scoring position. The fact is, however, that it's probably now more volatile than ever before. The fact is that there are 57 negative scores, and 134 scores under 5.00 in 352 chances so far this year. I am not sure that was also the intention of DST scoring.

554

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 13:41

Agree to 553:

I am going to assume that tweaking the scoring is needed.

I think one starting point is the negative score issue (yes or no) so perhaps that should be first before we consider other tweaks?

Thoughts? Would like a process/logical sequence so that everyone has the chance to chime in..

555

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 14:33

First idea at a logical process:

What is the component of the D/ST score that needs tweaking most?
Total points, total yards, or which of the individual act stat categories? Is there just something that's obviously off-kilter?

Toral

556

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 15:04

I can always tell when it is 3:00 EDT as my cell phone pings with all the FCFS FA pick ups. Cute!

557

Building 7
ID: 247531214
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 15:12

I picked up Jacoby Jones, but did not intend to drop him seven seconds later. I wasn't sure if it worked, so I did it again and somehow he got dropped.

It's like getting a boarding pass at Southwest. A five second delay will get you in the B section.

558

Slizz
ID: 51101755
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 15:56

mjd - it's not your place, or any of our places, to tell ref what to do.

He has already delegated the majority of his duties to Judy and GO. Ref has ALWAYS acted in the best interests of the league.

559

deepsnapper
ID: 177181422
Wed, Nov 27, 2013, 22:51

560

Doug
ID: 427302014
Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 03:19

I don't get the concern with negative DST scores... that's easily remedied by just adjusting all the points/yards allowed tallies upwards. It's kinda like adding a flat 10 points per game to DST... wouldn't advantage anyone since everyone starts one (and one exactly). Only thing it does is penalize someone for having DST on bye... in which case the flat 10 point bonus to all DSTs would actually be a better solution, unless we want to encourage people to cover byes and make having a 2nd DST more valuable... not sure if that would facilitate more trades to cover byes, or inhibit them as a team doesn't want to be caught without.

But anyway, whatever the problem one might have with DST scoring, it doesn't really matter whether DST scoring was a similar distribution from -10 to +30 or from +10 to +50 or from -25 to +15... if the distribution is the same, then the total points that DSTs score (positive or negative) is pretty moot (except the bye week consideration).

561

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Nov 28, 2013, 12:54

Email is here for paypal.

562

PeteN.
ID: 50748615
Fri, Nov 29, 2013, 11:52

563

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 11:53

To make the playoffs I need Drew Brees, Pierre Thomas and Garrett Hartley to put up 43.29 points plus whatever Earl Thomas DB scores, or 44.85 points and whatever Robert Meachem scores. Otherwise I will be just where I would have cynically guessed in pre-season: just missing the playoffs thus securing a lousy draft position.

E&OE

564

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Dec 02, 2013, 16:39

My team came through in a huge way this week. I have an outside chance to win the division, depending how things shake out tonight.

It took me awhile to figure out Josh Gordon's score, where he has 26.1 for yards, and then 2.78 for yards, then I remembered that in this league players get bonus points for yards over 150.

565

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 14:05

Oof. Missed the division win by 0.61 points. That's pretty amazing when you're talking about thousands of points. Fortunately it has no bearing on my matchup or placement.

566

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 17:21

Here is what I believe the playoffs should be. Please put objections here. I will update MFL on Wednesday.

Championship

AFC
1 SD v 4 Bills
2 Ravens v 3 KC

NFC
1 AZ v 4 PHL
2 CAR v 4 DET

(Title?)
1 NOLA v 8 HOU
2 NYG v 7 CINN
3 CLE v 6 CHI
4 JAX v 5 GB

Bottom Feeders
1 SF v 8 SEA
2 DEN v 7 MINN
3 IND v 6 OAK
4 NYJ v 5 DAL

567

Toral
Leader
ID: 2111201313
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 17:25

Ref called the second from the bottom the competition for the"Wanna Be Bowl", and the bottom competition as always been known as that for the "Toilet Bowl". I like both names.

Toral

568

skinneej
ID: 11192115
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 18:43

Just to verify, only the 8 teams that are playing in the championship bracket are allowed to pick up players the rest of the way correct? Are the other teams being locked out from making add/drops at this point?

Also per the rules, none of the pickups can be kept for next year and any player dropped is also not eligible to be kept even if picked back up by the same team. Just want to avoid any issues with waivers running tomorrow.

569

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 19:54

Yes. I need to reset those privileges tonight for the non championship teams.

I believe only championship draw can make moves.

Is that right ref?

570

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 19:56

I mentioned this before, but even though we are no longer using it, and have not paid for it, our old site is still running, using whatever we had in the starting lineups as of week 16 last year. I was 18-8 in that ghost league. Cincy was 0-26 because they apparently took all of their players out of the starting lineup after the season, and/or had an illegal lineup. Kind of interesting.

571

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 20:00

I just fixed it so that the non championship teams cannot make moves, not even to drop a player.

If you find this to be untrue -- meaning I goofed -- please email me ASAP!

572

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 03, 2013, 20:02

Nerf -- what's the link?

573

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 01:28

Not sure because I am always signed in to CBS so it just comes up on CBS fantasy football.

574

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 08:14

Found it. I was 18-8 also. I must have started Foles in the last game, my RB and WR were also the same...

575

GO
ID: 01020815
Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 08:54

Once the final freeze of week 13 occurs, The 16 teams not in the Super Bowl Playoffs may NOT make any adds or drops. The 8 playoff teams may make moves throughout the playoffs. HOWEVER, any player added or dropped during the playoffs will be ineligible as a keeper the following season, even if he was on the roster at the end of the regular season. A commish will remove all ineligible keepers sometime after we crown a champion.

576

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Dec 04, 2013, 15:01

Playoff Pairings have been entered. Please check for accuracy. Contact me STAT, if not! Lots of tournaments and matches.

577

Doug
ID: 34844117
Thu, Dec 05, 2013, 03:00

7-19 in ghost league... I improved on that by a whopping 1 win in our actual league. :/

578

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Dec 05, 2013, 19:58

So it looks ke we are going to keep the DST. So step two -- tweaking it.

I think I sense that TPA and yardage need to be the items adjusted.

So here is a starting point suggestion for TPA.

Fantasy points: current TPA: suggested new TPA: # teams that scored there in week 14.

21:0:0:0
14:1-5:1-7:3 teams
10:6-10:8-10:2 teams

7:11-14:11:14:2 teams
6:15:15-17:2 teams
5:16:18-21:3 teams

4:17 nothing
3:18:22-28:11 teams
2:19:28-31:3 teams

1:20:32-35:5 teams
0:21-24:36-40:1 team
-1:25-28:41-45:0 teams

-3:29-35:46-99:0 teams
-5:36-42 nothing
-7:43-49 nothing
-10:50-99 nothing

Note I will hope upstairs and put this into excel for an email. I know this is hard to read.

579

GO
ID: 01020815
Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 10:36

Not a bad playoff performance from Andre Johnson who nobody wanted and I had to practically give away after offering to every contender. He's only projected to finish 115 catches, 1575 yards and 8 TD.

580

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 12:59

I did a similar study to Judy's. but for the whole season through week 13. The following are the instances of the final scores by categories:

0: 1
2-3: 8
6-10: 39
11-14: 26
15: 2
16: 10
17: 24
18: 4
19: 10
20: 29
21-24: 76
25-28: 52
29-35: 64
36-42: 27
44-49: 9
51-55: 3

average score: 23.25
negative scores: 155
positive scores: 153
points from negative scores: -472
points from positive scores: 923
average points per game: 1.174

I have the same thing for yards in the next post.

581

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 13:10

Yards:

0-149: 2
150-174: 2
175-199: 9
200-224: 17
225-249: 16
250-274: 28
275-299: 37
300-349: 83
350-374: 45
375-399: 35
400-424: 33
425-449: 32
450-474: 15
475-499: 13
500+ : 17

(there were also 3 games at 600+)

average game: 350.88
negative scores: 190
positive scores: 111
points negative: -307
points positive: 140
average points per game: -0.435

582

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 19:32

Nerf's summary is mind boggling to me, something does need to be done!

583

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 19:33

Doug's email data looks really awesome. I tried to transfer it to here, but it wouldn't work...

584

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 20:27

In 580, I assume that we are looking at TPA.

How much do those numbers change just using DPA?

585

Judy
ID: 54203110
Fri, Dec 06, 2013, 22:39

By DPA you mean just was the offense scores against you, right? Not FR, KR, PR, INT TDS?
Egads, no idea. We'd need to go back and look at each weeks matchups to see the DST TD's. Not sure that is easily isolated or sortable???

Anyone know how to do that?

588

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Sat, Dec 07, 2013, 14:56

Doug's added stats from the years 2010-2012 give a much larger sample size, so this year's 1-13 numbers with DPA conted won't be as relivant.

That's assuming we didn't count DPA prior to this season. If we did, it's a moot point anyhow.

Thanks Doug and Nerf for your research. Good stuff.

589

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, Dec 08, 2013, 13:11

Ugh. That's some terrible luck. Stafford in the middle of snowstorm.

590

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 08, 2013, 13:59

Uh, Foles is too. I have about 3 inches on the back porch railing. No snowplows or other twp help. Normally they would have brined the roads yesterday, but it wasn't supposed to be this bad...

591

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, Dec 08, 2013, 15:32

Akers now has negative points, Celek nothing. One reason why I hate fantasy playoffs - such a crapshoot.

592

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Sun, Dec 08, 2013, 16:12

LOL then Celek pulls a Brian Westbrook at the end of the game. Great game though for my Eagles!

593

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 08, 2013, 16:14

Ditto 592. You beat me to it! Just hope the lost 4 TD points don't cost me...

Iggles are for real. Too bad about Foles int...

594

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 08, 2013, 16:18

Anybody watching the Balt Minny game? Lotsa fun...

595

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 08, 2013, 16:52

Ghost PI call gives NEP the win...

596

Slizz
ID: 51101755
Mon, Dec 09, 2013, 12:06

...and there will be a new champ!

After my atrocious start (2-6 or 8...I forget), my team rebounded to finish 15-11 to at least defend the crown in the playoffs.

Best of luck, mjd...

597

Slizz
ID: 51101755
Mon, Dec 09, 2013, 12:21

Also, anyone looking for a QB Mike Glennon is on the block.

He might not be the most attractive name out there but he's sure as heck better than a third of the scrubs that get rolled out there on a weekly basis. He has some solid players to work with on offense (Jackson and Martin) and has steadily improved each week...

Just some food for thought in the offseason...

598

Promize
ID: 11109186
Mon, Dec 09, 2013, 13:02

Does that mean I get a good pick next year Slizz? I forgot our terms already. lol I'm sure it is recorded somewhere.

599

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 10, 2013, 23:38

More games for everyone this week!!!

Sorry the playoff listing on the playoff page does not have a logical order, so you might have to look for your matchup.

600

Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Dec 11, 2013, 19:10

It should be the Lions in the Champion consolation bracket, not the Panthers. Panthers are listed in both brackets right now.

Based on the points, the seeding should be:

Ravens-Eagles
Chiefs-Lions

601

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Wed, Dec 11, 2013, 21:36

I have this:

Points scored in round one:
ravens 120.76
bills 84.40
eagles 81.42
detroit 66.81

1 v 4
2 v 3

so Ravens v Det
eagles v bills

Need to know. Offline traveling Friday through Saturday...

602

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Dec 12, 2013, 14:34

Once you lose in champs you cannot make any moves, so I am reversing the ravens move.

603

Building 7
ID: 2011541213
Thu, Dec 12, 2013, 14:58

See post #575 from Commissioner:

"The 8 playoff teams may make moves throughout the playoffs."

604

Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Dec 12, 2013, 16:06

Yes sorry, overwhelmed here trying to get ready to drive to Florida for the winter and a day early due to the approaching snow storm -- our third this week..

605

Building 7
ID: 2011541213
Thu, Dec 12, 2013, 16:39

At G24, I get this message.

The Commissioner Has Revoked Your Waiver Rights

But, I think, now I am supposed to be able to.

can someone change that before kickoff tonight.

606

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 12, 2013, 18:07

I FIXED IT!

607

Building 7
ID: 167151020
Thu, Dec 12, 2013, 19:15

OK. Thanks Judy. Good luck to everyone in the playoffs.

608

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 09:14

Long drive, but we made it!!

609

Frick
ID: 432501512
Mon, Dec 16, 2013, 08:33

At this point, does the Heisman even have relevance? It goes to a QB or RB from a top 10 ranked team.

Oh, and they need to put up gaudy stats, even if those stats come from running up the score against inferior competition.

610

Judy
ID: 54203110
Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 14:07

The two teams with the best records face off in the Super Bowl!

How often does that happen? Unfortunately, I now have to root against Shady...hoping here that it is an aerial game with Foles tossing the rock to Djax.

Good luck, mjd.

611

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Dec 21, 2013, 16:32

Here are the matchups for tomorrow and the final standings at risk. Not not all of these have anything to do with draft order. These are just the playoff rankings;

1/2 SD V AZ
3/4. KC v CAR
5/6. BILLS V BALT
7/8. LIONS V EAGLES

9/10. JAX V CLE
11/12. HOU V CIN
13/14 NYG V GB
15/16. NOLA V CHI

17/18. SF V DEN
19/20. DAL V OAK
21/22. JETS V INDY
23/24. MIN V SEA

Good luck everyone. (I am pretty sure I have the matchups accurately... If not let me know...)

612

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Dec 21, 2013, 16:37

Some housekeeping. The rules says $10 for best regular season record. It's a tie between SD and AZ, 19-7 records.

Do we split it or does each manager get $10?

613

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 16:42

Another cheap TD for NEP. They gotta fix this PI in the end zone. Penalty does not fit the crime...

614

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 18:12

If the eagles rest Foles, DJax and/or Shady, it will be a lousy way to end the season no matter who wins.

I have Foles and DJax and mjd has Shady...

615

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 23:21

Dawson and SF def need about 25 points tomorrow night...

The eagles shut down was not too big a factor...hot night so they rotated RB.

616

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Dec 23, 2013, 00:48

Emotional game for the Niners.

Last game at the Stick.

617

Nerfherders
ID: 1511182416
Mon, Dec 23, 2013, 14:01

RE 612: I would say it's either $10 to most overall points, or they split it $5 to each.

618

Slizz
ID: 491136917
Mon, Dec 23, 2013, 23:35

Congrats, Judy.

Definitely a rewarding win...

619

mjd
Dude
ID: 501381415
Mon, Dec 23, 2013, 23:48

Congats to the

2013 G24 Champion Arizona Cardinals

Way to go Judy!

620

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 24, 2013, 09:25

Congrats to all for a great season. Thanks so much for making the transition to MFL. We had a few bumps but overall, I believe we were successful. Many thanks to GO for his work early on in the summer to save and transfer the data overflow from CBS.

621

Judy
ID: 54203110
Tue, Dec 24, 2013, 09:32

Here are the final playoff results with winnings.

1. AZ (100 + 5)
2. SD (60 + 5)
3. KC (42.50)
4. CAR (42.50)
5. BUF (30)
6. BALT (22.50)
7. DET (17.50)
8. PHL (15.00)

9. CLE
10. JAX
11. HOU
12. CIN
13. NYG
14. GB
15. NOLA
16. CHI

17. DEN
18. SF
19. DAL
20. OAK
21. NYJ
22. IND
23. SEA
24. MIN

622

judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Thu, Jan 02, 2014, 12:27

Still need a fantasy "fix" after the regular season is over? MFL has a Fantasy League for the Playoffs.

We will use these players:
1 QB
2 RB
3 WR
1 TE
1 PK
1 DST

You can only use a player once during the playoffs. RIFC scoring rules are in effect. Total points at the end wins!

Wins WHAT? you ask. Nothing but bragging rights...

If you are interested, please either sign up here with your email or email me directly.

623

Ref
ID: 55156513
Fri, Aug 08, 2014, 19:38

612: we tiebreak with most overall points.

WG is taking Coyotes' Denver team.

We will be emailing the 4 who haven't responded individually and giving them a deadline to respond. Meanwhile, if you or someone you know may want a spot, let us know.

I am working on the schedule...

624

beastiemiked
ID: 5911312710
Sat, Aug 09, 2014, 22:57

I will be playing. Sorry for the no response. Was juggling whether I had enough time. Decided a few less minutes of sleep a week is worth the greatness of this league.

625

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 09, 2014, 22:58

Nice!!

626

Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Aug 09, 2014, 23:00

I goofed!

Thread for 2014 is here:

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=footst&thread=1099#1407595352

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