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Subject: 2021 G20

Posted by: Judy - [58791422] Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 23:19

New thread home

Judy
ID: 58791422
Fri, Aug 20, 2021, 17:21

Proposed keeper deadline for all keepers to be entered into MFL:

Select Keepers
Wed Aug 11 2021 12:15 p.m. ET
until Thu Aug 26 2021 10:00 p.m. ET

Comments please.

ttucowboy
ID: 58736214
Sat, Aug 21, 2021, 05:39

2020 timeline:

8/29 - Keepers due
8/30 - Draft started
9/10 - Season started

This year, NFL season starts 9/9. If we follow last year’s guide, that would give a 2021 timeline of the following:

8/28 - Keeper deadline
8/29 - Start draft

Also worth noting that we have a keeper thread posted that says the deadline is August 28th. This is based on the timeline that had been discussed in the previous thread.

Jim
ID: 416531119
Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 21:15

So is everything moving over to this forum now? Guess I don't understand the need for the move, but its all good.

I'm fine with the 28th which had been previously posted in the Keeper thread in the old spot.

Tree
ID: 571142323
Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 22:52

Definitely not sure why we'd suddenly change the previously announced keeperdue date of August 28.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 02:36

2021 Schedule is entered. Everyone should have 2 games a week and 28 this season. Please review.

Template for who plays who if anyone is interested can be found here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ik1mfv5n88uFvttxzUBcgxKIqYyHhj7iEotFbo5Yppg/edit?usp=sharing

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 15:18

Is draft order set? I see #14 and #15 are reversed. GB has #14 slot and Minn has #15 slot as discussed in previous thread.

Judy
ID: 8712314
Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 16:48

6 fixed I hope.

Judy
ID: 8712314
Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 16:59

The current keeper deadline is Saturday, August 28 at 10 pm.

If all keepers are selected before then, we could begin the draft earlier — just sayin’

Untimed draft begins Sunday august 29 8:00 am
Timed draft begins Monday august 30 at 8:00 am

Is the clock 3 hours? Anyone remember?

Perm Dude
ID: 3310302519
Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 15:07

Guys, if you tried to send a trade offer to me through MFL please re-send. It seems my account wasn't connected to the Jacksonville team and so any offers were only being sent to the old owner.

Judy
ID: 8712314
Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 15:19

Yeah I messed up…

Judy

Perm Dude
ID: 3310302519
Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 21:48

Nah--caught it in plenty of time, Judy!

I'm back in the office and will look over the offers in the AM. Thanks for re-sending.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Aug 25, 2021, 13:36

pick 1.03 is available for the right price. I am not likely to move it, but I do want to explore options.

Offer coming back needs to at the very least include a first round pick and an RB1/WR1, but that's the bare minimum.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 18:02

GO wanted to discuss PPR or 1/2 PPR. Probably best if we decided on the change for 2022 before we draft here for planning ahead purposes.

GO - still want this?

League - any strong reasons we shouldn't adapt this in the future? 2022 too soon?

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 18:48

yes, let's toss up a vote. No need to ask if we should vote, lets just put it vote.

suggested formatting:

1. do we switch to PPR, yes or no?
2. If we do, do you prefer 1/2 or 1. Please vote here even if you're opposed to PPR.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 20:11

Just Panthers business below:

Keepers are set but wanted to update

Selling 2022 first round for 2021 picks.

Akers will also still be up for dealing during/after the draft.

Bobo
ID: 36211018
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 21:01

Re: 13 and 14

Not opposed to PPR.

Very open to a vote around the questions posed by Tree.

WG
ID: 89402220
Thu, Aug 26, 2021, 21:02

Aaron Jones otb for a similar RB plus another piece (a player I can keep as my 9th or a pick or both)

ttucowboy
ID: 58736214
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 10:57

24: The league has already spoke on IDP, rather overwhelmingly too based on the IDP scoring vote. Which I’m ok with, but also the main reason why I’m opposed to PPR. The majority of members in this league want offense to be valued materially more than defense. I can live with that, but won’t vote for something that makes what I see as a problem even worse.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 11:00

what happened to posts 18 to 24?

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 14:00

re: 25 - fair enough. As always, i appreciate your logic and thought process.

So i guess you don't want to create a poll about it? :D

WG
Donor
ID: 35338278
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 14:52

Can I get clarification on keeper deadline? 8/28 12:00 AM or 11:59 PM? Have heard both.

Also looking to add a keeper for a pick swap, please let me know if you have one.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 17:14

WG - Keeper deadline is 8/28 10PM Eastern time.

Tree
ID: 571142323
Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 17:29

I do believe the waiver wire order needs to be updated before the draft.

As per the rules, "Each season, the initial waiver order will be established in the order of the 2nd round of the draft and will not reset each week."

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 10:05

So this was in the deleted posts but two polls on PPR up on MFL. Please vote if you have not.

@Tree - I adjusted the waiver order could you please confirm.

@all - More house cleaning items. Currently the League rules state trade deadline is "11:45 PM EST the Friday of week 12" As the NFL extended to 18 games, and Fantasy regular season extended to 14 - does anyone feel that we should move the Trade deadline??

@all - Similar issue to the above. Currently 8 teams make the championship bracket, 8 the wanna be bracket, and 8 the toilet bowl bracket - for our post season. Since we are down 4 teams - it doesn't line up. Judy Suggested that we can adjust to 8, 6, and 6 teams respectively and that is the obvious and most logical fix - however I wanted to present this in case anyone wanted to object and present other thoughts or ideas for changes to the post season - mainly the consolation brackets. If other good ideas arise we can take a vote - otherwise as I said - Judys idea makes perfect sense and is a seamless transition.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 10:06

RE:31 and by 18 games I mean 18 weeks.

GO
ID: 33543812
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 11:24

Anyone looking to stash a potential young QB, Jacob Eason for sale for a mid round pick. With Wentz's injury status for the start of the season, he could potentially be a bridge for you for a while.

Carlos Hyde also with a bit of value for sale with Etienne injury for anyone wanting someone cheap to plug at RB.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 12:10

thoughts on something different. yet, the same.

Regular season ends week 13. This way we play the same number of games as we have in previous years.

We do the playoffs weeks 14, 15, 16, and 17.

1. Six teams per conference make the playoffs.
2. The division winners get a bye in the first round, mirroring the NFL, which is something we've aspired to do here. The bonus here is that week 14 is an NFL bye week, so there's added incentive to win your division, so you don't have to play on this week.

3. Week 14 - The next 4 best teams - they could all technically come from the division - play; 3rd seed vs 6th, 4th vs 5th.
4. Week 15 - 1st seed plays winner of 4/5, 2nd seed plays winner of 3/6.
5. Week 16 - Conference Championship week.
6. Week 17 - The G20 Super Bowl

This also allows us to run the toilet bowl with 8 teams - a single tournament, instead of two. And if we do this in weeks 14 to 16, it makes Super Bowl week mean even more, because only the two best are playing.

The big part of this for me is rewarding division winners. I've always felt there should be a reward for winning your division, and incentive to be the best. This creates that with the Playoff bye in week 14.

WG
ID: 89402220
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 13:43

Hey twolves, sent you an email

taxman
ID: 11637514
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 14:57

re post 31:

another playoff scenario that would be more balanced

8 for championship

8 for wanna be

4 for the toilet bowl...(they finish 1 week early)

taxman
ID: 11637514
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 15:01

I am not enamored with slapping polls up without discussion. The current poll smacks of a personal preference rather than a discussion driven proposal.

democracy appears to be out

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 15:43

Tax- voting is 100% democratic. if one opposes something, it can be voted against.

Personally, i'm inspired by a different league - one with 32 teams - where the commissioner puts up a vote after a small amount of discussion, and doesn't allow it to get bogged down with scores of posts on the topic.

Rather, the vote goes up, and further discussion ensues. it made for a significantly smoother process.

I was stunned with the efficiency of it all.

GO
ID: 33543812
Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 10:02

Tax - for some background, I've brought up PPR multiple years in a row, and generally people have been open to it. I appreciate R$ remembering to bring it back up cause I always seem to forget this time of year.

Its when we get into November, and every other league I'm involved in has at least half PPR that I'm wondering why the heck this one is lagging behind the times... when I'm trying to look at Start/Sit articles and rankings etc. which are all PPR specific (which seems to be industry standard these days Yahoo, ESPN and also DFS like Draftkings).

R-money
ID: 518492722
Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 17:13

Hey everyone. I was Mobile for a good chunk of the afternoon so between that and trade texts I didnt Want to pick a trade or player without being home and working out the dominos and how they could fall - so I took Advantage of the frozen clock. My apologies to all.

I then Realized no one was reaching out for my pick - they all wanted Najee. So I just Took him and can field offers as they come in. Feel free to point an laugh at my Homer Simpson moment.

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 09:01

Pick 1.17 on the block, open to moving down to pick up an asset or two.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 18:20

RE:31 It seems there is no interest in moving the trade deadline so it will stay at the friday of week 12 per the current bylaws.

As for post season - Two solid ideas with upsides to both.

12 team playoff/division winners get a bye NFL style - I dont hate this but it makes me wonder if that is too high of a playoff percentage. 60% of the league making the playoffs waters down the regular season in my opinion but if theres a counter argument to that id listen. I DO agree division winners or conference winners should be rewarded though, so I like that idea.

8 champ, 8 wannabe, 4 toilet - Simple enough, makes sense, fits the format.

My own was to take the 12 that dont make playoffs and seperate them into 3 groups of 4 by standings (9-12, 13-16, 17-20) And have everyone play their group once in like a mini-season or round robin pool play. Keeps everyone competitive until the end, Still three weeks to match the championship, but may be too convoluted to track.

Anyway - Are there any other ideas or thoughts.. whether its supporting one of the above or Judys idea in the original post please let it be known. Unlike the trade deadline where the pre-existing rule doesnt need to change - we kind of HAVE to select a new way to do this.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 00:42

I like 8-8-4. Keep it simple.

Judy
ID: 1683819
Wed, Sep 01, 2021, 10:39

Just to let you know, any playoff format you choose can be configured in MFL…

We also do mini rewards on the final playoff weekend. We might need to add more, but we have plenty of $$ to do so.

I do not like the idea of byes for the champs division. You should play every week to earn the title.

GO
ID: 33543812
Wed, Sep 01, 2021, 11:09

The vast majority of leagues I'm in give byes to the top couple teams as a reward for a well played regular season. As does real NFL football, aren't we trying to mirror it?

Nothing worse then having a great team/season and then getting bounced on some fluky #8 seed.

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Sep 01, 2021, 11:49

I agree with GO. Would vote for trying to get the top teams byes or at least some benefit, like a +3 in the matchup or something.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 08:32

Ok so - for Playoffs (PLAYOFFS??)

A poll is posted with the Options listed below. Everyone needs to vote their preference.

Which ever option The majority votes for will decide our playoff format this year and moving forward.

Option A - Championship Bracket remains the same. Wanna Be and Toilet bowl brackets Reduced to 6 teams with top two seeds in each getting a bye the first round. Second Round will Reseed so the highest seed plays the lowest. Brackets play out to all places.

Option B - Championship Bracket moves to 12 teams. Each Conference sends its two division winners and next 4 best teams based on regular season finish. Four Division winners each get a bye in the first round - Second round is reseeded so highest seed faces lowest in each conference.
Wanna be bracket remains 8 teams - no changes
Toilet bowl - eliminated. Brackets play out to all places.

Option C - Championship Bracket stays the same with 8 teams. Wannabe bracket stays the same with the next 8 teams. Toilet bowl bracket reduces to the 4 worst finishing teams. Brackets play out to all places.

Option D - Championship bracket stays the same. Remaining teams are moved into a 4 team group and will play each other over the three post-season weeks. Results determine what place they finish in.

Judy
ID: 1683819
Thu, Sep 02, 2021, 12:08

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Mon, Sep 06, 2021, 15:13

Option C won the playoff poll with two teams left to vote.

Option C - Championship Bracket stays the same with 8 teams. Wannabe bracket stays the same with the next 8 teams. Toilet bowl bracket reduces to the 4 worst finishing teams. Brackets play out to all places.

So that will be the playoffs this season and we can revisit in the offseason.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 08:48

I was told privately that i need to learn the rules of this league, so i did, and read the rule book through and through.

I am evoking the spirit of Toral here (as terrifying as that sounds), but according to our league rules, this vote about the playoffs clarified nothing, and no final ruling or change can be obtained from the vote as it stands.

the rules are specific:

13. Voting

The Commissioner may call for a league vote for motions, rule change proposals, etc. If the commissioner asks for a vote, then it will take a simple majority for that motion to be enacted. If the commissioner deems a rules proposal to be a major change, it will be enacted if 2/3 of those owners voting vote for it, PROVIDED that the proposal gets at least 13 votes AND that the voting period has been at least 3 days long.

This vote fits neither of those criteria - a simple majority did not vote for it, nor did 2/3 owners vote for it.

As changing playoff format would be a major change, this needs to have 13 votes before any change can occur.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 10:24

So what do you think we should do? Whats the playoff/league finish structure?

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 11:14

Okay, so we'll stick with 8-8-8. You figure out how that works. LOL

GO
ID: 33543812
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 11:40

When something HAS to happen... like this... wouldn't it be a simple majority? Like literally there is no existing playoff format for 20 teams and an 18 week season.

We aren't changing and existing rule.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 12:06

Actually, in this case, I think Option C was the Do nothing solution since everything else stays the same and the bottom bracket just has 4 less teams. So we already have a 8-8-4 format by default of the remaining teams. So any vote on changing the playoff format should be on the other options. If there is a clear favorite, then the league can vote to see if enough teams are in favor that meet the criteria to change it.

Judy
ID: 1683819
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 14:08

I do not know the vote totals, but 8-8-4 shows that we want it to basically stay the same…

The only ones who care are the top 8 anyway. The rest of us play for fun and to see “what if” in case their team manages to outscore someone in the top 8…

We give mini rewards to the lower brackets just for fun.

Personally I did not like any of the other options,

Judy
ID: 1683819
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 14:14

Re: 50

13. Voting

The Commissioner may call for a league vote for motions, rule change proposals, etc. If the commissioner asks for a vote, then it will take a simple majority for that motion to be enacted. If the commissioner deems a rules proposal to be a major change, it will be enacted if 2/3 of those owners voting vote for it, PROVIDED that the proposal gets at least 13 votes AND that the voting period has been at least 3 days long.

———-

This rule was for the 24 team league. New bylaws have not yet been reconfigured to account for only 20 teams.

Everyone kept screaming for playoffs revisions. We haven’t even fixed the rules to adapt to the new format.

We need time to fix the bylaws to adjust to the new format if just 20 teams.

Judy
ID: 1683819
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 14:16

Re:50

Tree

As per current voting rules, the playoff format stays the same which we all know is impossible.

The rules need to be changed first, voted upon and then a playoff vote can occur, need the horse before the cart.

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 14:20

Bylaws and technicalities aside, I would think everyone would want the best and fairest structure in place and I think that is one that rewards the top regular season finishers; such as giving them byes, additional points in the playoff matchups, or some other advantages. As such, I think more emphasis and focus needs to be placed on that. It's great we also have the bottom brackets and rewards, but that focus should be secondary imo. Doesn't everyone expect to be fighting for a championship at some point? So its not like addressing that top bracket first and foremost isn't in everyone's best interest.

Judy
ID: 1683819
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 14:28

Also since options A and D were clearly not wanted, perhaps a revote between B and C.

First would like to see a discussion of the pros and cons of each B or C on this thread.

Thoughts?

Judy
ID: 1683819
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 14:37

Converting rules to 20 team format:

Old rules:
2/3 those who voted
Winning vote must be half plus 1 of total teams (13j

For 20 teams:
2/3 of those who voted
Winning total must be half plus 1 of total teams (11j

For this vote:
18 voted
2/3 of 18 =12
“Winning total” was 9
Did not meet criteria of half plus 1 of all teams (11)

Vote failed.

Need new proposal and revote.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 15:38

Re: 60 That is not quite correct. Below is what the structure is/was:

24 teams: required 2/3rd vote to pass a major change, so if all 24 teams voted that was 16 needed to pass. A minimum was established if not all 24 teams voted, so that minimum was 13. A change then could be passed if at least 13 votes were in favor and it also reached 2/3rds majority.

20 teams: In keeping with the same structure, now a 2/3rd majority vote needs to reach 14 out of 20 to pass. We have not established a new minimum threshold though, so for now it would still be 13. But I think it is reasonable to make the new minimum 11 and we should vote on it.

I definitely understand why teams want to update the playoff structure, but for now it is 8-8-4 with losing 4 teams and the vote more or less solidified that a majority of teams didn't want a change. But, agree with Judy's statement in 59 above that if there needs to be a new vote, it should be voting in favor of option B which is the only one that garnered enough support other than staying the same.

So the new Votes should be:

1. Do you want the new minimum threshold for league votes on Major Changes to be 11 instead of 13 due to only 20 teams in the league now? A 2/3rds majority is still needed to make a major change.

2. Do you want to change the playoff structure to Option B?

If a 2/3rds majority approves, then it's settled and we can move on.

Jim
ID: 416531119
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 16:03

As we discuss and move forward, let me say that I am 100% against any proposal that gives a higher seed (or anyone) free extra points as an advantage. Games should solely be decided by what happens on the field, not some arbitrary amount awarded because someone is a higher seed. I keep hearing that this league should be as close to the NFL as possible, but a proposal like that is as far away from what the NFL does as can be

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 16:40

There's no possibility of the top seeds (4 before? 2 now?) getting knocked out in the first round of the real NFL playoffs, but that exists here, so we're already not emulating it exactly. I think I'm the only one who suggested points; it's a radical solution and I wouldn't expect much (any) support, but also in real NFL higher seeds do have home field advantage over lower seeds, and a quick google search shows that home team has a 55-60% odds of winning over away team, but we confer no advantage to higher seeds in ours so I thought awarding a few points could make sense in emulating that home team advantage edge. And of course, none of this would be arbitrary; those higher seeds have had better seasons over the 14 weeks preceding.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 16:42

privately, weeks ago, I was sternly told to read the rules. I was told I didn't understand the rules, and that I was skirting the rules, so I needed to read them.

I followed that direction, and read the rules, and our currently rules are very clear on voting.

I am merely taking over Toral's role as parliamentarian and pointing out that we have problems with our rules, because we didn't bother to make necessary changes in an orderly fashion, and instead rushed things...without reading the rules.

In fact, we never even elected a commissioner, which is a problem unto itself, according to our rules.

post 61 above is on the money. we need to create new standards about how something passes, before we can vote on any other changes.

post 58 is also on the money. While i would strongly disagree with giving a top seed any extra points as a reward, i do believe firmly that, the top seed, and possibly the top two seeds, absolutely deserve a bye in the first round of the playoffs - in this league, it's VERY hard to finish at the top of your conference, so there should be a reward for doing so.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 17:16

I think it goes back to what Tax was saying in post 37, It's probably best to have good group discussions on changes before a poll or vote is thrown up so that we can avoid unnecessary discussions, delays or neutral/non-votes. If you are in favor of a proposal, state why and what benefits you believe the change will bring. If it's not solving a known problem, then it's probably not going to have a chance of passing.

I think most of us prefer minor or small changes to widespread changes anyway. This league has demonstrated that many times over the years. Look at the IDP scoring, there were many proposals, but the simplest change (Sacks +1) won out. Proposals that bring drastic changes rarely have a chance. Put some thought into what changes you would like to see made, what time frame you think it should be implemented in, and are there any tradeoffs or compensation that is required i.e. eliminating positions.

For instance, the PPR poll is a good one to gauge interest, but it doesn't discuss the timeline of when it would be enacted. As of now, there are not enough votes to pass PPR anyway, but if there were enough votes to pass it, the .5 PPR vote would currently win out. Obviously it's too late to enact it for this year, but if the timeline was set for 2022 season then do enough managers think that is enough time to plan for with the rest of this season plus next year's draft?

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 17:44

Judy, or everyone, my thoughts on the two proposals

12 Team pros - Rewards division winners with a bye, more teams stay alive in playoff chase during season

12 team cons - 60% of the league makes playoffs - devaluing regular season. Have to include week 14 in playoffs changing regular season schedule back to 13 weeks and one round of playoffs happens during a bye week

8 team Pros - League members used to 8 team format, Fits with expanded schedule as its only 3 weeks long. Division winners get Top seeds meaning a better finish equals easier possible opponents.

8 team cons - Less playoff teams. Low seeds have harder chance to advance past first round

Just my opinions and for transparency I voted in the previous poll for the 12 team option because despite the fact that I believe more than 50% of a league shouldnt make post season - I agree that divison winners and conference winners should have incentive to win their divison/conference. I also feel it doesnt water down the playoffs to the point where the sentiment that "anything can happen" is removed.

Judy
ID: 1683819
Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 22:29

From 64:
“In fact, we never even elected a commissioner, which is a problem unto itself, according to our rules.”

A little history here.

Ref started the league. He is “ the commissioner” referred to in the rules. He left.

No one wanted to take over. League ready to fold..

I volunteered. Last year I quit after about 10 (?) years including initiating the move from CBS to MFL.

2021: Teams quit or were deleted. League restructured.

2021: Rich and Slizz volunteered to Commish with my help.

Show me the rule that indicates how a commissioner is selected please.

I did not see anyone stepping up except Rick and Slizz. I did not see any objections to Rick and Slizz.

If they quit who steps in?

This league is difficult to run. There are many of you who do help, scheduling, codifying new rules, playoff seedlings, draft order, etc.

I won’t give names because I will leave someone out, but your work is greatly appreciated.

You know who you are. I know who you are. Thank you.

Judy

R-money
ID: 518492722
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 08:53

The rules state that In unforeseen circumstances the commissioner can act in the best interest of the league. Since there is no commissioner we should all consider the best interest regardless of previous polling rules that also need revision.

It’s undoubtedly in the best interest of the league to have a playoff system in place before the season starts.

We can either accept that the previous vote made a reasonable decision
OR
We can accept the previous 8-8-8 format scales as the default to 8-8-4 and be done with it
OR
we could hold one more vote between the 12 team proposal and the 8 team proposal with the option with the most votes being in place for 2021.

I also Think updating the 8 team proposal to include a bye for conference winners would be a decent compromise/middle ground of some of the benefits of the two but I have No assurances anyone that liked either side would agree with me.

Anyway our timeline should be - discussion today, decision/voting tomorrow.

All of the other items Tree listed and others from the current bylaws should also be addressed immediately after but at minimum this one needs to be put to bed before we play week 1.

R-money
ID: 518492722
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 08:58

Ignore my 8 team Bye comment. Bracket logistics is usually a strong point of mine but it wasn’t in this case.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 10:14

I also Think updating the 8 team proposal to include a bye for conference winners would be a decent compromise/middle ground of some of the benefits of the two but I have No assurances anyone that liked either side would agree with me.

Anyway our timeline should be - discussion today, decision/voting tomorrow.

as shocking as this may seem, i would be in favor of both these ideas.

1. even only the conference winner getting a bye is a huge step up - although doing it 8 teams making the playoffs creates a math problem in that you can't have a bye with 8 teams. it would work with ten teams, but that does create a 4th week of playoffs, which would mean playoffs done in weeks 14,15,16, and 17.

2. If we are going the route of discussion (personally, i think we should just vote and then open up to discussion, as opposed to discussing before a vote), we should put a cap on it. 24 to 48 hours of discussion, then 72 hours of voting. the discussion clock begins as soon as the first post in regard to that matter is posted.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 12:23

We can't, at this point, do anything this year that changes the regular schedule for this year. i.e. making week 14 playoffs. We have literally 30 hours before kickoff at this point. Just keep it 8-8-4 and revisit for 2022.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 13:39

Agreed, we need to get ready for this season to kick-off still. What needed to happen is for waivers to run today based on the usual Wed schedule, but I'm guessing that's not going to happen since add/drops are still disabled. Maybe that can be adjusted to tomorrow for week 1 waivers to run and then be on the usual schedule for the rest of the season.

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 13:58

Add/Drops are on - Waivers should have ran at 12. Free agency starts at 3(eastern)

Calendar is the same as last season.

Did anyone put waivers in?

Judy
ID: 32822813
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 14:23

Confirm add drops are on.

Went to waivers. None there to be processed. . I guess folks are waiting for FA add/drops at 3:00?

Can’t do add/drops between noon and 3:00 .

Calendar is correct. Let’s see if folks do FA adds at 3:00

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 16:41

We couldn't put waivers in since add/drops weren't turned on. I tried a few times the past few days, but since there was no announcements about waivers being turned on assumed it hadn't been done yet. So basically everybody gets a free pickup of players the first week without having to use any waivers it looks like.

Judy
ID: 32822813
Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 12:13

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 14:49

at this point, there should only be two locked (waiver) players - Kahlil Herbert and Trey Flowers.

Everyone else is on first come, first served free agent pick up status.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 14:54

and following up on that, waivers process overnight at 4 am, Thursday through sunday, and then players lock at 9 pm on Monday, until the normal 11 am wednesday waivers.

so, any waivers for today would have run at 4 am.

Judy
ID: 32822813
Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 13:34

MFL needs to move Patterson ATL from WR to RB..
That is how he is listed on the ATL roster.

Judy
ID: 32822813
Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 21:49

Got a reply ticket from MFL.

Why is a player listed at the wrong position? Or, what happens if a player changes the position he plays during the season?

We use FantasySharks.com as our source for all player positions. While we have full confidence in their classification of players, some players (especially defensive players) play at multiple positions, making classification more difficult.

We synchronize our player positions to match the FantasySharks.com Depth Charts during the preseason on a monthly basis. Then after the season starts, we generally don't make site-wide position changes, so it is up to your league commissioner to decide how to handle position changes after the season starts.

Regardless of how FantasySharks.com has a player position listed, the commissioner can use the For Commissioners > Setup > Players and Rosters > Change Player Position option to over-ride any of our default positions with positions that you think are more appropriate for your league.

Tree
ID: 571142323
Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 00:55

Hopefully we're not in the business of just changing positions willy nilly here.

Our rules specify "Only players currently in the MFL database are eligible to be drafted."

If Patterson is listed as a WR when he's drafted, then that's how he's listed. Patterson the RB is not listed in the database, and can't be drafted.

Perm Dude
ID: 3310302519
Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 10:37

Down to just two kickers tonight between Jax and Minn. The battle of the toes!

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 12:20

I knew scores would go up going to 20 teams, but not this much. Wow.

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 10:48

5th highest point total and 0-2 record to show for it.

Ha ha ha.

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 11:45

It seems scores in week 1 were a bit abnormally high, if you look at RIFC scoring. Even so, it looks like while it used to be 100 pts was about the cutoff for good vs bad, now it might be 120 pts. I scored 106 and was 14th in scoring. We'll see if defenses start waking up next week.

SwinganaMiss
ID: 48531621
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 12:43

JAX has too many players on their roster... (true)
...should clearly have to forfeit games or draft picks (sarcasm)

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 13:38

JAX has too many players on their roster... (true)

the team shouldn't have been able to submit a lineup. weird.

Slizz
ID: 58591512
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 13:59

We should put it up for a vote 🤣🤣🤣

I’m kidding. Problem has been resolved. Let it serve as a reminder to always include your worst pick in a trade transaction so it doesn’t happen again.

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 15:00

Re: the latter half of Tree's statement in 87...

I submitted my line up last week (probably Tuesday, certainly no later than Weds.) and there was a message in the system that I hadn't set my line up last week.

Did anyone else experience or see this on their end of things? It was odd. System glitch or something different?

Perm Dude
ID: 3310302519
Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 18:27

Roster fixed. Thanks for the heads up, Slizz.

re #87: I shouldn't have been able to draft that many players in the first place! Seems a weird loophole.

Judy
ID: 578171616
Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 17:18

Bobo I got the same thing.

I always set my lineup Tuesday morning just to reset the system and I got a reminder For only G20.
Hmmm.

Note that I do make adjustments during the week, but I always reset Tuesday to be sure, especially for byes and injuries.

Bobo
ID: 58835208
Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 09:36

Thanks Judy. Glad it was not just me; weird week 1 anomaly.

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 08:47

Aaron Rodgers on the block. Looking for a top tier RB in return, but open to other options as well.

SwinganaMiss
ID: 259301311
Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 12:30

Denver has illegal roster of 21 players post-trade.
Think this is same thing that happened in the pre-season with JAX.

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 09:07

I believe you can have an illegal roster, you just can't set your line up.

Many platforms allow this, because it makes more sense than not allowing this.

That being said, we should take steps to increase roster size (and IDP points.

Jim
ID: 416531119
Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 15:43

Just want to say I hate the 3 hour window where we can't add or drop on Wednesdays. Went to snag Keenum at 11:04am so I could actually start a QB this week, but because add/drops are paused for 3 hours on Wednesdays, while it looked like he was available, there apparently had been a waiver claim made (i had only seen the news moments before). Got out of a meeting now and he's gone to a waiver claim. Granted the 3 hour window wasn't to blame, but it sure gave me false hope.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 13:00

**Press Release**
Oct 27, 2021 12:00pm

The Green Bay Packers have announced the release of franchise QB Cam Newton after 10+ years with the organization. With the 5th pick in the 2011 G24 draft, Cam Newton was selected after Mark Ingram, Julio Jones, AJ Green and Daniel Thomas. Cam worked hard every day to make sure that he outperformed those that were chosen in front of him, and had a chip on his shoulder to prove those franchises made a mistake passing on him. He was able to lead the Packers to 2 G24 Superbowl appearances during his tenure, although the ultimate title proved elusive.

The Packers organization wishes Cam the best and that he will have a chance to catch on with a new team at some point. Green Bay is searching for their new franchise QB still as veteran Ben continues to lead the team until then.

**End Press Release**

Jim
ID: 416531119
Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 14:33

Ugh, I submitted my lineup Tuesday morning knowing it would be a busy week. Now I see it must not have taken, even though it said submitted as I show Jordan Freaking Love from last week locked in as my starter. Well, I was going to pick up Rush in case Dak doesn't start but no point now. Awesome.

slizz
ID: 211041117
Mon, Nov 01, 2021, 18:42

Statement on Peterson Signing

As many of you may have saw, Swing / Baltimore picked up Adrian Peterson today as a FA while dropping Chuck Clark at 2:41pm.

A couple members took issue with the move as they felt Peterson should have been locked. Here’s a timeline of the Derrick Henry saga:

-9:11am, Adam Schefter announces Derrick Henry is done for the season ( https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1455160465043202048?s=21 )
-11:09am, Ian Rapoport announced Peterson was working out for the Titans ( https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1455190233746599938?s=21 )
-2:42pm, Swing picks up Peterson and an email is generated to the league. ( G20 Transactions )
-2:44pm, move is formally announced by Adam Schefter and Ian Rapoport (https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1455244310073516032?s=21 )

Any one of us could’ve signed the guy off the street with one of our bench players / inactives / unlocked players as a speculative add before 2:44pm…my logic is that had swing signed the guy at 2:44pm or later, Peterson would’ve been a member of the titans thus subjecting him to the lock.

As a Bears fan, my only critique of the move is that he dropped a player of value (Chuck Clark) rather than trash Allen Robinson. I mean the guy might have 20 fantasy points the entire season…talk about the biggest fraud in fantasy football.

As a protest to my decision/logic, Tree will be moving his team to Fort Worth until Sunday…

100

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Nov 02, 2021, 14:15

The bigger concern is that swing clearly has hacked Adam and Ian's phones.

101

GO
ID: 511027128
Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 13:26

I've got some chips to move... if anyone needs anything lets open up some trade talks.

102

GO
ID: 19101309
Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 10:01

and it unfortunately looks like we should have bumped the trade deadline out with the new league schedule. deadline before bye weeks even over is crazy.

103

SwinganaMiss
ID: 259301311
Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 10:36

well, at least moving it a week would have been good; dislike having it over Thanksgiving week when even more players play on Thursday.

104

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 11:55

we blew that one big time. at this point, we oughta mirror other leagues and move it at least a week. at least.

105

GO
ID: 19101309
Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 13:39

My first question is can it still be changed?secondly is it worth having a league vote to extend it out through this week? granted that means Thursday people this week will have like a day to get moved. But its something.

I can't imagine anyone having a problem with it. This seems more like a clerical error of something we all didn't think all the way through. Our deadline has always been past the bye weeks at least.

106

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 10:00

I'd be up for a vote on that extension. I agree that I feel it was a clerical oversight in the "new" NFL.

107

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 16:14

I'd be up for not even bothering with a vote, and simply making a decision for the betterment of the league and extending the thing 7 to 10 days.

this isn't the sort of thing that might give one team or another an advantage (like changing number of keepers mid season), it's the kind of thing that keeps everything on the same level it is at now, and if anything, helps weaker teams by allowing them to move potential spare parts for assets they can use to build.

108

Skinneej
ID: 11931511
Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 19:46

I agree, the intent of the trade deadline timing in this league has always been that it would be prior to the last 2 remaining regular season weeks. So now that should be the Friday of week 13 since we have a 14 week regular season. With bye weeks being spread out more now though, I don’t know if it will change season to season so wouldn’t want to arbitrarily say that the deadline is after all bye weeks since it could go into playoff weeks in the future. There’s a certain level of planning that teams with late byes will just have to plan for.

From our current league settings:

8. Trades
Trades must be approved by the commissioner. The commissioner can veto a trade if it is deemed to be too lopsided [IE Joe Stud for Joe Benchwarmer] or if collusion between two owners is suspected (i.e trading back the exact same players to avoid each other's bye week). The parties involved may resubmit the trade with an explanation if they wish.

Trade deadline is 11:45 pm EST Friday of NFL week 12. Trades may be made during the offseason. Trades may involve draft picks.

109

Tree
ID: 571142323
Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 01:41

Tonight, the trade deadline passed in a 32 team dynasty league I'm in, along with a couple folks in this league.

14 trades happened in a matter of hours, a combination of an active league, a well publicized trade deadline, and a majority of the league using Slack to communicate.

Can we PLEASE bring this league into the current decade? The apathy and the lack of grasping the changing nature of fantasy sports is sooooo frustrating.

110

SwinganaMiss
ID: 259301311
Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 08:11

what about this rule:
2. Keepers
Managers may keep up to 9 players each season from the previous year's roster. ~~D/ST is considered a player.~~ There is no minimum number of keepers. Only players on a manager's roster at the end of NFL Week 13 and who remain on that roster throughout the playoffs are eligible to be kept the following season.

Should move this to week 14 ("end of Reg season" is better wording).

111

Doug
ID: 5310121411
Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 09:14

Or "end of our league's regular season".

I personally am not a fan of trade deadline extending that far, however... I'd prefer week 12, or even week 11... but week 13 max.

We always see teams that are out of it ship assets to teams that are playoff-bound (or in contention) in exchange for improved hopes of future success. Heck I did that myself this year. But the closer we get to the end of the season the more lopsided those trades can sometimes become in my experience, and it's not a path taht results in the overall betterment of the league. Thinking of it another way, once a team has been realistically eliminated from the playoffs, there's really no difference in them making those trades in week 11 vs. week 13 vs. even week 15 or 16 during the playoffs frankly. It's not like rosters are locked once the playoff starts (FA/Waiver still happens), so why stop trades at all? Whatever reason you come up with why trading during the playoffs is a bad idea likely applies to _at least_ the last week or two of the regular season as well.

112

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Dec 03, 2021, 09:28

It's not like rosters are locked once the playoff starts (FA/Waiver still happens), so why stop trades at all? Whatever reason you come up with why trading during the playoffs is a bad idea likely applies to _at least_ the last week or two of the regular season as well.

The NFL Schedule ends January 9.

Our season ends January 3.

Our trade deadline is November 26, oddly, at 10:45 pm. That's more than 5 weeks before our season ends, and peculiarly early compared to other leagues, if by only a week, as other leagues made the necessary adjustments without handwringing and pearl clutching.

moving the trade deadline a week - to match the nfl schedule adding a week - doesn't move the deadline to "the last week or two of the regular season as well."

It moves it to Week 13, still a month before our season ends.

113

WG
ID: 89402220
Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 12:41

Did we end up moving the deadline? Are we past the new one too?

114

GO
ID: 19101309
Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 13:39

Nothing was adjusted. I'd be up for a vote on if we extend to next weeks games, given there is one more week of bye weeks.

Anyone against proposing it at least?

115

Tree
ID: 161118314
Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 13:51

this is absurd. by the time we actually put this thing to vote, we'll be missing the 2022 deadline.

Let's get this changed now for the betterment of the league - it's not the sort of thing that needs a vote, let's just move the deadline this season to 9 am on 12/12 or something so we can get in some trades before the final games of the season.

Then we can discuss next season and what an appropriate date is for a season that extends into January.

116

Perm Dude
ID: 561143715
Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 16:43

Move it if we can. Don't think we need a vote since it would merely match the settings we already have had, just to the new schedule.

117

WG
ID: 89402220
Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 19:23

Agreed, ample time already for someone to post opposition.

118

Doug
ID: 5310121411
Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 19:27

Re: 112, our regular season ends in 6 days, on December 13th. I don't think we should be trading in the last couple weeks of the fantasy regular season (for the reasons stated in #111, it has a negative effect to the quality of the league to do so IMO, for the same reasons we don't allow trading during the fantasy playoffs). I think we (probably?) all agree that a trading deadline line should be drawn somewhere, it's just a question of where.

But the "handwringing" and "pearl clutching" could also be described as the grave offense of "disagreeing with you". I can't tell if you're being intentionally obtuse about this or are legitimately conflating the NFL regular season with the fantasy regular season, but either way moving the trade deadline a week DOES indeed move the deadline to "the last week or two of the [fantasy] regular season."

119

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Dec 07, 2021, 19:55

The Trade extension doesn't really move the needle for me in terms of things that need to happen right now for a few reasons.

I do agree with Trees earlier sentiment and support immediate migration to slack (or similar) for majority of activity and important communications

120

Jim
ID: 491114723
Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 00:14

I'm ok moving it,with the idea that we double check all dates in the off-season to avoid further issues

121

Tree
ID: 571142323
Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 07:52

Re 118 - the trade deadline should have moved when the NFL scschedule added a week. Most leagues moved their deadline. We neglected to.

Re 119 - I'm glad we agree here, and I suspected we would. I know you tried to get a discord server going previously, but alas, it's ignored by this league mostly.

But we do need to migrate to discord or slack, not only because it's a more efficient way to do business, but because these boards aren't going to be around forever.

122

Doug
ID: 5310121411
Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 11:33

Yes, and now that the issue of trade deadline is on the table, I think we should have an actual discussion of what we think the ideal deadline would be, not just a knee-jerk "well the season is one week longer so let's move it back one week" response. That's one possible outcome, but not the only one.

123

Tree
ID: 161118314
Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 14:49

agreed, for the longer term. for the shorter term, the time is now.

124

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 17:24

I think we all agree it was an oversight that the league missed adjusting a few settings with the added week of NFL games this year which increased our regular season by 1 week. The Trade deadline should have been adjusted to the Friday before week 13 instead of week 12 as it was previously if we kept everything the same, but that date also passed in the meantime last Friday. Now the discussion is focused around extending the deadline a few more days to allow any last minute trades before the start of week 14. I don't think I feel strongly either way at this point, even though there were several teams reaching out to me about potential trades a couple weeks ago right before the deadline passed.

I feel like I agree with Doug in general that it doesn't seem right to allow trades all the way up until the final week of the regular season, and that the best time is still a few weeks prior when more teams are still in the playoff race. The NFC playoff teams are all set now, but the AFC still has 6 teams I believe all going for 3 remaining spots which is not typical for the final week. I'm sure there are several teams that are sellers now that wouldn't have been a week or two ago, and that could definitely affect the final week playoff race and seeding.

I'm also down to use any group messaging platform to increase league communication. I have Slack, Discord and GroupMe that I use for various other activities and groups, so whatever everyone likes best is fine with me.

125

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 08:24

*Feel free to double check the below - raise any issues before Thursday*

Playoff Seeds
NFC

1 - Vikings 23-5
2 - 49ers 17-11
3 - Packers 20-8
4 - Seahawks 18-10

Matchups - Vikings/Seahawks and Niners/Packers

AFC

1 - Browns 20-8
2 - Ravens 15-13
3 - Bills 15-13
4 - Broncos 14-14

Matchups - Browns/Broncos and Ravens/Bills

The Ravens Edged out the Bills for the AFC East title 1567.6 to 1479.18 in points for

The broncos edged out the Bengals and Jaguars for the 4th seed with 1522.88 to 1520.31(bengals) and 1492.6(Jaguars)

Remaining seeds. 9-16 seeded for the Wannabe bracket, 16-20 for the toilet bowl - No impact on standings. Add/Drops/Waivers locked for these teams.

9 - Eagles 15-13
10 - Bengals 14-14
11 - Jaguars 14-14
12 - Panthers 14-14
13 - Chiefs 13-15
14 - Texans 13-15
15 - Bears 12-16
16 - Cardinals 11-17
17 - Cowboys 10-18
18 - Raiders 10-18
19 - Jets 8-20
20 - Lions 4-24

Vikings - Most points scored with 1698.45 which looks to be a regular season league high.

Vikings - 23 wins, New League high

Lions - 24 Losses, Ties League high (2016 Jaguars, 2013 seahawks, 2014 Panthers)

126

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 08:31

Congrats to everyone on a great year. Good Luck all in the playoffs.

127

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 13:54

Thanks Rick, everything looks good to me.

One thing to keep a watch on is any adjustments that are made on Thursday when final scores are posted from last week. There's a chance that the outcome of a few of those games could affect some playoff standings. Balt and Buffalo could swap places if Balt were to lose that close game, but the playoff matchup would remain the same. Bengals could overtake Broncos for last playoff spot if there are any scoring changes that amount to a swing of more than 2.5 points.

128

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 08:25

AFC Championship
Broncos vs Ravens

NFC Championship
Vikings vs Packers

GL all and keep an eye out for those covid news alerts.

129

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 10:34

A new champion will be crowned!

Also, an owner will win a title for the first time.

Let's go!

130

Judy
ID: 311121717
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:18

I think the AZ Cards should get an award for most points scored AGAINST: 3207.24

Next closest was Houston at 3114.29.

Also my average points FOR per game was 107.2, which was seventh best.

Lousy luck it would seem in the matchups.

131

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:25

Judy - Sounds like your team plays terrible fantasy defense haha! I've been there in the past as well. 2 years in a row I was the 2nd highest scoring team out of everyone and just missed the playoffs both times. In recent years it seems I've been on the other end of that more times, so it all goes in cycles.

132

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:32

This is yours to win Bobo, the Vikings team is a juggernaut! I will have to get extremely lucky to win this weekend I know so hoping I can get some big games out of a few guys.

As a side note, it's funny that I ended up with the Packers as a franchise as I was originally a last minute replacement for another manager right before the inaugural draft 20 years ago. Growing up in the Carolinas, I would have opted for the Panthers if given a chance, but I've come to like this team even though I don't root for the real Packers. In actuality, my wife's family is all from Minnesota and Vikings season ticket holders, so when I told them yesterday before we flew home from Minneapolis that my Packers were playing the Vikings in fantasy, they said they might disown me :)

133

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:39

Funny thing... I was the worst team in the league by leaps and bounds, just finishing out the string, but then my team put it together when it doesn't matter anymore and put 110 on the board. LOL.

MY RB position put up 42 points in the regular season. 42 points.

134

GO
ID: 19101309
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:40

Do we still have a trophy floating around?

135

Judy
ID: 311121717
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 16:23

GO

You get an allowance ($20/25) to find and design your own trophy. Then you take a picture of it and post it here.

136

Judy
ID: 311121717
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 16:24

I lost four games by under 5 points…😢
One game by 2.

137

Judy
ID: 311121717
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 19:20

Since my roster is frozen, I cannot move Williams off the covid taxi squad. Not cheating just letting you know.

138

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 22:39

Judy - you can still drop players. Just cannot add.

139

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 14:20

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays everyone.

140

Judy
ID: 311121717
Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 15:25

Figured it out. Warning was cannot drop/add.
So I didn’t try it.
Could still drop, though.

All good.

Happy holidays all.

141

Bobo
ID: 36211018
Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 20:35

Alright...COVID can't stop me...yet.

And for the guy who directed me to this league, it appears it is Tree vs. myself for the 'Chip next weekend. I love it.

Let's GO!

142

Tree
ID: 571142323
Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 23:48

Couldn't be more excited to be taking on a long time real world friend - one I steered to this league - in our Super Bowl.

LFG!

143

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 16:26

Good luck to both of you!

I was disappointed to have my lowest scoring week all season in the semi-finals, but as expected I needed to have some big games from a few players to beat Bobo and that didn't happen. I'm just glad I didn't make any of those last ditch trades that were being discussed. I would have still come up a little short and would have given away even more young talent to make an unsuccessful run to the championship.

144

GO
ID: 19101309
Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 11:41

Tree, a great friend would do finger poke of doom and let Bobo win!

145

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 14:57

GO - he's not Nash and I'm not Hogan, brother!

I can't wait for Sunday!

146

GO
ID: 19101309
Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 12:46

I always saw Tree as more of a Piper... so look out for coconuts

147

Tree
ID: 161118314
Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 17:21

While I've always had a Flair for the gold, I've always felt that I had the audacity of Gino Hernandez, the tenacity of Bruiser Brody, and the viscoelasticity of Dusty Rhodes.

Now let's get funky like a monkey!

148

GO
ID: 19101309
Mon, Jan 03, 2022, 10:00

Kind of crazy we had both MVP QB candidates in the final. Dalvin puts up a clunker... and it all comes down to A KICKER?!

149

Bobo
ID: 36211018
Mon, Jan 03, 2022, 20:20

Yeah, I'm so miffed about Cook's non-performance last night. I left a lot of points on my bench also, which would have taken guts to play as starters before hand. That's the type of move that could win or lose a championship.

I did quick math and kickers are averaging about 7.4 points this week in head to head games. Boswell hits (or exceeds) that for Tree and I'm toast. I am team No FG tonight for Steel City.

150

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Mon, Jan 03, 2022, 23:00

Boswell nailed a 50 yarder with 9:45 left in the 4th that should wrap it up as Tree takes the lead.

What a Finish.

151

Bobo
ID: 8231213
Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 10:04

Congrats to Tree! Heck of a run from the 8th seed.

I already can't wait for next season to compete again.

152

ttucowboy
ID: 1501449
Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 10:14

Congrats Tree!

153

promize
ID: 45032419
Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 20:38

Nice tree! Congrats.

Well, not sure... has anyone ever gone 3 straight years in this league? It took me forever to build a team to do it.

Karmra, Carr, the duo Texan QB's definitely let me down this year, in certain weeks. Cooper let me down in the final games. Evans on COVID hurt...

154

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 23:15

Congrats on the run Tree! I'm assuming without checking that your team is the lowest win pct in the 20 years of this league to win the Super Bowl, so major Cinderella story there!

155

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Jan 04, 2022, 23:26

I guess there's some silver lining that after the worst showing of the season last week, I came back with my best week of the season to take 3rd. Also crazy that with the 3rd highest scoring average this season, my team never had highest week. Just shows you how hard it is to manage week to week especially this year with all the Covid games missed and uncertainty. There were some recent weeks where if I had a guy going on Thur or Sat I would start them over another player with a late Sun or Mon games since it was a risk they might end up missing a game due to testing protocols.

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WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jan 05, 2022, 12:19

Congrats on the win, Tree! You've crushed the last two drafts and with smart adds and trades have assembled a heck of a team. From talking to you I understand that you had a tough choice between starting Eli Mitchell and Chase Edmonds. Mitchell outscored Edmonds by 10.8, meaning if you started Edmonds you'd have suffered a heart breaking 116.8-116.32 loss. Other choices obviously factored in too but that was a championship call right there.

Congrats also to Bobo for a great year and 2nd place finish. You've compiled a monster core that should continue to be strong moving forward.

Thanks to all that helped run the league this year and keep us afloat. Looking forward to another fun year next year.

157

WG
ID: 89402220
Wed, Jan 05, 2022, 12:22

Also should be noted Tree finished 1st here after finishing 3rd in G20 Baseball earlier this year. Quite the fantasy year!

158

Tree
ID: 161118314
Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 12:20

Thanks everyone - looks like having the audacity of Gino Hernandez, the tenacity of Bruiser Brody, and the viscoelasticity of Dusty Rhodes paid off.

this has been a long time coming. I've had a number of teams that were near the top in scoring, but also near the top of points allowed, so kept missing the playoffs.

This season it felt like it was coming together, then would crash and burn, and then the right players stepped up at the right times after i eked into the playoffs - i played the four last place teams over the last two weeks and managed a 1-3 record. (Leave it to Judy to explode for her season high of 147+ points against me in week 13 when i had my second highest point total of the season.)

And of all things to make a difference in the finals, it was a kicker - Chris Boswell - that i actually considered dropping for a different kicker Sunday morning.

Thanks to everyone in this league, from those who run it to those who play an active role, and special thanks to the BrainTrust of fantasy nerds in this league i talk to nearly every day, as well as my opponent in the finals, Tom Bobo.

Tom and I have been real world friends since about 2004, maybe 2005.

We met over our mutual love of a wrestling company called Ring of Honor, and along with a bunch of other miscreants, actually traveled around the country to go to this company's shows, the way some folks might travel around the country to see the Dead or Phish.

We bonded fast and quickly became friends, and over the years experienced highs so high that you relish experiencing with friends, and lows so low that only the support of friends can guide you through.

It's been awhile, but looking forward to the next time we can ride again Tom!

And hopefully looking forward to granting you that rematch clause and seeing you in the Super Bowl next season, although I imagine there are 18 other people here in this Battle Royale who might have something to say about that!

159

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 15:19

Congrats again Tree and Everyone.

Unfortunately something else we did not get to discuss or alter in the offseason was the pay outs.

Since we desperately need to update the constitution and the fact that we have a surplus of funds it seems the fairest method is to maintain the payouts of last season.

Based on that below are the final standings and winnings of the 2021 season with the Draft in reverse order.

A post will follow concerning the overall league finances and current money owed to each manager.

If you would like a payout in full or in partial please reach out to me via Email - Rickmahan@yahoo.com

**IF you notice any issues or have any disputes to the below please bring to my attention as soon as possible. Deadline for raising disputes is 1/15/2022 at noon. **

1st: Broncos - $120
2nd: Vikings - $75
3rd: Packers - $50
4th: Ravens - $45
5th: 49ers - $40
6th: Browns - $35
7th: Seahawks - $30
8th: Bills - $25

9 - Eagles 15-13 - Lottery chance 0.9%
10 - Bengals 14-14 - Lottery chance 1.3%
11 - Jaguars 14-14 - Lottery chance 1.7%
12 - Panthers 14-14 - Lottery chance 2.3%
13 - Chiefs 13-15 - Lottery chance 3.2%
14 - Texans 13-15 - Lottery chance 4.3%
15 - Bears 12-16 - Lottery chance 5.9%
16 - Cardinals 11-17 - Lottery chance 8%
17 - Cowboys 10-18 - Lottery chance 10.8%
18 - Raiders 10-18 - Lottery chance 14.7%
19 - Jets 8-20 - Lottery chance 20%
20 - Lions 4-24 - Lottery chance 25%

"Trophy" budget to champion - Broncos - $20

Best Regular Season Record - Vikings - $10

Most Points total regular season - Vikings - $5

Most points last week of reg. season - Vikings - $5

Most points last week of whole season - Bengals - 5$

Wanna be Bracket champion - Cardinals - $5

Wannabe bracket high points last week - Bengals - 5$

Toilet bowl Champion - Jets - 5$

Toilet bowl high points last week - Jets 5$

160

R-Money
ID: 31128257
Sat, Jan 08, 2022, 15:38

Budget Statement Jan 2022

If your team is listed below you are currently owed money by the league. I personally would prefer you request a payout, however you are more than welcome to maintain a "credit" as some of you have previously. As stated above - please let me know via Email if you would like a pay out, how to pay you out, and how much.

Please note that any partial dollar amounts have been rounded up on my discretion example being Cleveland previously had a 17.50 credit, now they have an 18 dollar credit.

Buffalo/Slizz - 45

Cincinnati/Young Roman - 75

Arizona/Judy - 5

Cleveland/CT/Craig - 53

Green Bay/Eric/Skinneej - 55

San Francisco/Twolves/Paul - 40

NY Jets/GO/Ryan - 10

Baltimore/Swinganamiss - 45

Denver/Tree/Josh - 140

Minnesota/Tom/Bobo - 95

Seattle/Dirk/Promize - 30

League statement:
Sept 2021 balance = 999

Balances previously owed to managers = 108
Prize Money to be paid from 2021 season = 485
Projected 2022 My Fantasy League Site fee = 70

January 2022 Balance = 336

The primary concern is that we need to update our payout table as we will be taking in less money due to shrinking down to 20 teams and several awards/credits aren't officially in the constitution but are good ideas to potentially continue moving forward.

We also have a nice reserve so we dont have to be perfectly balanced (money in = money out) but we should get to that point in the future.

161

Nerfherders
ID: 56261418
Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 18:11

Curiously, MFL seems to not have any data for, or acknowledgement of, week 18. I'm wondering if there's a setting that can be changed to include week 18 in player stats, as they could be important for evaluation purposes.

162

Judy
ID: 5022912
Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 16:24

Season 2021 is over. Thanks to my TPA, I did not do well.

Here’s my projected 2022 keeper list:

QB. Murray
RB. Michel, J. Williams
WR. Diggs, Landry, c Patterson, (Lazard, Reagor, Patrick)
TE. Gronk (if he does not retire…)
LB. Hicks
DB Byard

Liking the look of that core…just sayin’

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