| Posted by: APerfect10
- Leader [535572315] Thu, Jul 17, 2003, 11:18
Please Limit this thread to only listing your keepers and votes on the current rule proposals.
Keepers - A team may keep up to 8 players per year, with a maximum of 4 offensive and 4 defensive keepers. A list of keepers must be sent to the commish at least 6 weeks before the first game of the season each year. The first year, you can award 2 4-year contracts, 3 3-year contracts, and 3 2-year contracts to your players. You are free to "waive" a guy at any point in the future, you don't HAVE to keep him just because he's under contract. The contract is just the maximum of how long he can be kept. If he is traded his contract goes with him, if he is waived and picked up then it doesn't. A player that you assign a 2-year contract can be on your roster for 3 years total, since the first year isn't played under contract. Additionally, each year (except the first year) you have the option to allocate additional 4, 3, 2, and 1 year contracts (max. one of each) to players who you drafted or otherwise acquired during the season (no re-signings of players with expiring contracts), so you can have 4 "new" keepers each year, but then may only retain 4 of your existing players under contract in order to comply with the maximum of 8 per year. For More Information, Please visit the rules page
Ammendment Prosposals Please vote YES if you would like to adopt the ammendment or NO if you disagree and want no change.
1) Only deduct 3 pts for a Fumble Lost, not every Fumble. 2) Include 2 pt conversions. 3) Include Blocked Kicks & Punts in the scoring. 4) If a lineup isnt submitted for a certain week, the previous lineup is used. 5) Waiver wire grace period shortened to 36 hrs rather than 48. 6) Alter ST scoring as proposed by dgrooves in post 4 of the current discussion thread. 7) Alter OL scoring as proposed by dgrooves in post 4 of the current discussion thread.
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| 1 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Thu, Jul 17, 2003, 11:53
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Birds of Prey Keepers 4 years Terrell Owens, WR SF Brian Urlacher, LB CHI
3 years Ed Reed, DB BAL Derrick Brooks, LB TB Tony Gonzalez, TE KC
2 years Charlie Garner, RB OAK Amani Toomer, WR NYG Rodney Harrison, DB SD
Ammendments 1) No. 2) No. 3) Yes. 4) Yes. 5) Yes. 6) Yes. 7) Yes.
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| 3 | dgrooves
ID: 444581317 Thu, Jul 17, 2003, 12:29
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Ammendments 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes 6. No 7. No
For the record, it was Nerf who originally proposed the new ST and OL scoring systems. As I showed in my analysis in the other thread, the ST changes dont really change much. The OL changes really hurt the position overall. It was one of the lowest scoring positions to begin with and Nerf's system reduces that output by almost 1400 points (roughly 50 points per player).
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| 4 | wiggs Donor
ID: 10261612 Thu, Jul 17, 2003, 16:00
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New team name, Rolling Thunder 4yrs McNabb Tomlinson
3 years fred taylor keith brookings patrick kerney
2 years issac bruce mo lewis warren sapp
yes to all amendments
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| 5 | Doug Sustainer
ID: 21922183 Thu, Jul 17, 2003, 21:25
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Keepers posted previously... on vacation so web access is limited. Amendment votes:
1 N 2 Y 3 Y 4 Y 5 N 6 N - mainly because I didn't understand the explanation of the proposal... I tried doing the math and got different answers so clearly I misunderstand the proposal - will ask questions if I it passes after I get back 7 N - OL scoring already low, now we're lowing it? Seems ill-advised, why not just remove the position in that case?
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| 6 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Thu, Jul 17, 2003, 22:48
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Alright, we're scrapping votes 6 & 7. There seems to a lot of confusion and I think most of it was caused by me. My apologies...
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| 7 | Bags
ID: 416333 Fri, Jul 18, 2003, 01:48
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CowboysHomer Keepers 4 years Daunte Culpepper, QB MIN Plaxico Burress, WR PIT
3 Years Todd Heap, TE BAL Eric Moulds, WR BUF Lance Schulters, DB TEN
2 Years Nate Wayne, LB PHI London Flectcher, LB BUF Kwamie Lassiter, DB ARI
Ammendments 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes 4. Yes 5. Yes
I had to readjust my keepers. I was finally able to get my excel working and look at the stats from last year. I decided to keep Wayne instead of KGB.
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| 8 | dwfffan
ID: 386452012 Tue, Jul 22, 2003, 10:43
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Keepers: 4yr - Roy Williams, DB, Dallas
3yr - Clinton Portis, RB, Denver Ricky Williams, RB, Miami Marvin Harrison, WR, Indy
2Yr - LaVar Arrington, LB, Wash Dwight Freeney, DL, Indy Joey Porter, LB, Pitt
Ammendments 1) Y 2) Y 3) Y 4) Y 5) Y 6) Y 7) Y
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| 9 | Nerfherders
ID: 308512415 Tue, Jul 22, 2003, 16:46
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4 yr Jeff Garcia Peerless Price
3 yr Donnie Edwards Eric Barton Brian Dawkins
2 yr Duce Staley Zach Thomas David Boston
Yes to all votes
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| 10 | Doug Sustainer
ID: 2730280 Wed, Jul 23, 2003, 12:12
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Got back from vacation... hope everyone is well!
Only one change from my posting in previous thread. (Lyght -> Sharper)
4 years - M Vick, R Moss 3 years - M Faulk, J Taylor, K Bulluck 2 years - Keyshawn, D Sharper, M Peterson
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| 11 | mike
ID: 16212314 Wed, Jul 23, 2003, 15:30
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votes now, keepers later today or tomorrow
1-no 2-yes 3-yes 4-yes 5-no
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| 12 | Bags @ work
ID: 146381416 Wed, Jul 23, 2003, 19:52
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If the F. Taylor for Moulds trade goes through Taylor will be my 3 year keeper.
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| 13 | wiggs Donor
ID: 55635225 Wed, Jul 23, 2003, 22:09
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and moulds will be mine.
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| 14 | Art of Monk
ID: 127392513 Thu, Jul 24, 2003, 03:07
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Dgrooves and myself made a trade. He gives up: Donald Driver - WR - GB Pick 2.5 Pick 3.8 Pick 6.5
I give up: Shaun Alexander - RB - Sea Pick 8.8 Pick 9.5 Pick 10.8
My keepers: 4 years-Peppers DL, Duece 3 years- K. Robinson WR, Archeleta DB, J. Lewis RB 2 years- A. Carter DL, Chad Brown LB, Driver WR.
My votes 1-no 2-yes 3-yes 4-yes 5-no I stll like to vote for change of both O-line and Speacial teams.
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| 15 | dgrooves
ID: 444581317 Thu, Jul 24, 2003, 10:54
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Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters
4 years Shaun Alexander Michael Rucker
3 years Ahman Green Joe Horn John Henderson
2 years Curtis Martin Hugh Douglas Reggie Tongue
My votes are above.
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| 16 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Thu, Jul 24, 2003, 20:20
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guys i'm sorry, but i can't find a place where to find my team, so i can't make my choices regarding the keepers. does anyone have my roster saved anywhere? can you send it to me?
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| 17 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Thu, Jul 24, 2003, 20:32
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i'll eventually post my keepers tomorrow morning (it'll be night there....) if i'll have my team's list of players. you know, it's 2:40 a.m. here in italy.....
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| 18 | dgrooves
ID: 444581317 Thu, Jul 24, 2003, 23:36
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Italian Eagles | Irriducibili Lazio | Name | Pos | Team | Manning, Peyton | QB | Ind | Miller, Jim | QB | Chi | Davis, Stephen | RB | Was | Wells, Jonathan | RB | Hou | James, Edgerrin | RB | Ind | Williams, Moe | RB | Min | Smith, Rod | WR | Den | Patten, David | WR | NE | Freeman, Antonio | WR | Phi | Bryant, Antonio | WR | Dal | Warrick, Peter | WR | Cin | Shockey, Jeremy | TE | NYG | OL-Dolphins | OL | Mia | OL-Bills | OL | Buf | Daniels, Phillip | DL | Chi | Rice, Simeon | DL | TB | Carter, Kevin | DL | Ten | Johnson, Raylee | DL | SD | Abraham, John | DL | NYJ | Sharper, Jamie | LB | Hou | Gildon, Jason | LB | Pit | Trotter, Jerimiah | LB | Was | Rudd, Dwayne | LB | Cle | Scott, Chad | DB | Pit | O'Neal, Deltha | DB | Den | Smoot, Fred | DB | Was | Clements, Nate | DB | Buf | Henry, Anthony | DB | Cle | ST-Jets | ST | NYJ | ST-Chargers | ST | SD | Janikowski, Sebastian | PK | Oak |
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| 19 | beebop
ID: 10631916 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 00:48
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Keepers: 4: Holmes, Colvin 3 Barber, Ward, Coleman 2 McNair,
Proposals, yes to all
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| 20 | beebop
ID: 10631916 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 00:56
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Addons 2: Woodson, Clemons
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| 21 | IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 09:14
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4: manning, james 3: rod smith, shockey, gildon 2: o'neal, sharper, scott
yes to all.
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| 22 | dgrooves
ID: 444581317 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 10:37
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Hmmm, seems like we've got a problem we need to address. Both mike and Ike44 didnt post their keepers by the deadline. In fact, Ike44 has yet to make a post in either thread.
I think, unless there are extenuating circumstances, there needs to be some kind of penalty/punishment for those two. What does everyone else think?
Also, has anyone heard from Ike44?
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| 23 | Art of Monk
ID: 13530917 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 13:47
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I know Ike is around, and hopefully he will post his keepers today. Dgrooves, I also think their should be some kind of penalty but lets give them another day.
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| 24 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 15:14
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Hey guys, I just got back...Cancun was awesome and we had a great time!
Ike gave me his list of keepers. I'll get them posted ASAP. I will email Mike stating that he needs to post his keepers immediately...
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| 25 | wiggs Donor
ID: 55635225 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 15:52
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derek, what did you do in cancun? Did you hit up the jungle tour? Are you sick of corona's yet?
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| 26 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 17:35
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wiggs, I'm pretty sure we went on the Jungle Tour. Is that the one where you take the Jet Ski's through the "Jungle" out to the coral reef and snorkle? That was pretty amazing. We also went to Chichen Itza on Tuesday. It was amazing! We even climbed the 2nd largest pyramid in the world (the 8th wonder of the world)...
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I lost Ike's paper he gave me with his keepers. I called him and he said he'd repost them on the site tonight. I also emailed Mike letting him know he was the only one that didnt post his keepers and that he must post them immediately.
Once I get Mike's keepers, I will post a link for the excel spreadsheet containing every player with his 2002 Stats along with their team and contract length.
Thanks!
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| 27 | wiggs Donor
ID: 55635225 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 18:08
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yeah, that is the jungle tour, except we didnt it on speed boats. We went to the isle of mujeres, excaret, the bullfights, and the lobster dinner cruise. it was a great time.
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| 28 | IKE44
ID: 10821818 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 18:13
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4-C.Dillon,T.Holt 3-Kurt Warner,T.Spikes,Jamir Miller 2-William Green,Jay Bellamy, Shaun Williams
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| 29 | IKE44
ID: 10821818 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 18:16
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and Yes to all Amendments
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| 30 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Fri, Jul 25, 2003, 22:13
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Yeah, we went to XCaret too, forgot about that. Didnt have time for the other stuff, like swimming with Dophins, the lobster cruise, etc. I didnt hear about the bullfights though...
What travel agency did you go through?
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| 31 | wiggs Donor
ID: 55635225 Sat, Jul 26, 2003, 06:38
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I am not sure the name of the place, i will have to ask kim, but they were located right in our hotel. The bull fights were cool, bloody, but cool. I wasnt all that impressed with xcaret, except for the last part with the show. Did you see that?
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| 32 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Sun, Jul 27, 2003, 13:50
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It appears as if Mike is on vacation or without computer access. I emailed him and have yet to hear a response. I know he is in for the league, because he has made multiple posts in the other thread. Hopefully he gets his keepers in soon!
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| 33 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Mon, Jul 28, 2003, 17:13
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Mike's Keepers 4-ray lewis, travis henry 3-aaron brooks, tj duckett, ronde barber 2-dan morgan, michael strahan, eddie george
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| 35 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Mon, Jul 28, 2003, 17:50
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APerfect10 | | wiggs | | Bags | | dwfffan | Birds of Prey | | Rolling Thunder | | Cowboys Homer | | Long Beach Lightnin | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | Terrell Owens | WR | SF | | Donovan McNabb | QB | PHI | | Daunte Culpepper | QB | MIN | | Roy Williams | DB | DAL | Brian Urlacher | LB | CHI | | Ladanian Tomlinson | RB | SD | | Plaxico Burress | WR | PIT | | | | | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | Ed Reed | DB | BAL | | Eric Moulds | WR | BUF | | Todd Heap | TE | BAL | | Clinton Portis | RB | DEN | Derrick Brooks | LB | TB | | Keith Brookings | LB | ATL | | Fred Taylor | RB | JAX | | Ricky Williams | RB | MIA | Tony Gonzalez | TE | KC | | Patrick Kerney | DL | ATL | | Lance Schulters | DB | TEN | | Marvin Harrison | WR | IND | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | Charlie Garner | RB | OAK | | Isaac Bruce | WR | STL | | Nate Wayne | LB | PHI | | Lavar Arrington | LB | WAS | Amani Toomer | WR | NYG | | Mo Lewis | LB | NYJ | | London Fletcher | LB | BUF | | Dwight Freeney | DL | IND | Rodney Harrison | DB | SD | | Warren Sapp | DL | TB | | Kwamie Lassiter | DB | ARI | | Joey Porter | LB | PIT | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Nerfherders | | Doug | | Art of Monk | | dgrooves | | | | | | | | | | | | | Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | Jeff Garcia | QB | SF | | Mike Vick | QB | ATL | | Julius Peppers | DL | CAR | | Shaun Alexander | RB | SEA | Peerless Price | WR | ATL | | Randy Moss | WR | MIN | | Deuce McAllister | RB | NO | | Michael Rucker | DL | CAR | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | Donnie Edwards | LB | SD | | Marshall Faulk | RB | STL | | Korean Robinson | WR | SEA | | Ahman Green | RB | GB | Eric Barton | LB | OAK | | Jason Taylor | DL | MIA | | Adam Archuleta | DB | STL | | Joe Horn | WR | NO | Brian Dawkins | DB | PHI | | Keith Bulluck | LB | TEN | | Jamal Lewis | RB | BAL | | John Henderson | DL | JAX | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | Duce Staley | RB | PHI | | Keyshawn Johnson | WR | TB | | Andre Carter | DL | SF | | Curtis Martin | RB | NYJ | Zach Thomas | LB | MIA | | Darren Sharper | DB | GB | | Chad Brown | LB | PIT | | Hugh Douglas | DL | JAX | David Boston | WR | SD | | Mike Peterson | LB | JAX | | Donald Driver | WR | GB | | Reggie Tongue | DB | SEA | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | beebop | | IRRIDUCIBALI LAZIO | | Ike44 | | Mike | | | | | Italian Eagles | | | | | | Sandwich Town Statics | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | | 4 years | Pos | Team | Priest Holmes | RB | KC | | Peyton Manning | QB | IND | | Corey Dillon | RB | CIN | | Ray Lewis | LB | BAL | Rosevelt Colvin | LB | NE | | Edgerin James | RB | IND | | Torry Holt | WR | STL | | Travis Henry | RB | BUF | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | | 3 years | | | Tiki Barber | RB | NYG | | Rod Smith | WR | DEN | | Kurt Warner | QB | STL | | Aaron Brooks | QB | NO | Hines Ward | WR | PIT | | Jeremy Shockey | TE | NYG | | Takeo Spikes | LB | BUF | | TJ Duckett | RB | ATL | Rod Coleman | DL | OAK | | Jason Gildon | LB | PIT | | Jamir Miller | DL | | | Rhonde Barber | DB | TB | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | | 2 years | | | Steve McNair | QB | TEN | | Deltha O'Neal | DB | DEN | | William Green | RB | CLE | | Dan Morgan | DL | CAR | Rod Woodson | DB | OAK | | Jamie Sharper | LB | HOU | | Jay Bellamy | DB | NO | | Michael Strahan | DL | NYG | Charlie Clemons | LB | HOU | | Chad Scott | DB | PIT | | Shaun Williams | DB | NYG | | Eddie George | RB | TEN | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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| 38 | Art of Monk
ID: 127392513 Mon, Jul 28, 2003, 23:19
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Heres the draft order for the first 2 rounds (the order will snake for the remainder of the draft):
1. Ike44 (Toilet Bowl Winner) 2. Commish (Toiler Bowl runner-up) 3. Sandwhich Town Statics (10th seed) 4. Junkyard Dogs (9th seed) 5. Del Boca Vista Puppet Masters (.500 winner) 6. Nerfherders (.500 runner-up) 7. Long Beach Lightning (8th seed) 8. Art of Monk (7th seed) 9. beebop (4th seed) 10. Italian Eagles (3rd seed) 11. Furious Midget Klingon Horde (2nd seed) 12. Birds of Prey (1st seed)
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| 39 | dgrooves
ID: 444581317 Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 22:54
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I went through all the votes and all (1 - 5) ammendments passed. This means:
1) 3 pts are only deducted for a lost fumble, not every fumble 2) 2 pt conversions are included 3) blocked kicks & punts are included 4) If a lineup isnt submitted for a certain week, the previous weeks' lineup is used 5) Waiver wire grace period is shortened to 36 hrs rather than 48
Now we need to assign values for 2 point conversions (2 points) and blocked kicks (3?). Also, do we want to change the scoring systems for ST and OL? There seems to be some interest, but maybe we need other potential systems?
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| 40 | Art of Monk
ID: 127392513 Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:38
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I think you are right on for 2pts conversion and blocked kicks. I am one of the ones interested in making changes to oline and sTeams. I just haven't taken the time to look into good changes yet.
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| 41 | dgrooves
ID: 444581317 Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:52
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Derek, what are the point categories we can use for ST and OL?
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| 42 | Doug Sustainer
ID: 31649212 Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:53
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I am open to OL changes, so long as they don't erode the importance of OL relative to other positions. OL is one of the unique characteristics of this league (at least to me)... and if IIRC we already have 9 IDPs, a K, an ST, and 7 offensive players (i.e, it's only one out of 19 starting positions each week). I don't want it to become a trivial position. We've done a good job so far of making every position count (such as TEs getting 1 point per 5 rather than 10 yards, etc.), so let's make sure we maintain that with any proposed changes.
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| 43 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 00:07
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If someone would like to make a proposal, they need to lay it out before one week prior to the draft. That would allow time for the vote process then for everyone to alter their draft accordingly...
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| 44 | dgrooves
ID: 444581317 Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 09:34
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Derek, what are the potential point categories we can use for ST and OL?
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| 45 | APerfect10 Leader
ID: 535572315 Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 09:42
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OL Scoring Rushing Yards Passing Yards All yards gained Rushing TD Passing TD Sacks allowed Safeties
ST Scoring Blocked FG Blocked Punts Kick Return TD Punt Return TD Return Yards Gained Return Yards allowed Kick Return TD allowed Punt Return TD allowed
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