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Subject: RWF rules/keepers/rosters RESTRUCTURE dicussion

Posted by: Species - Dude [07724916] Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:47

In the news and discussion thread a discussion has gone on about the league becoming boring and uncompetitive. It has become the pattern in the league to have a small minority of "stacked" rosters of main eventers lapping the field 2 or 3 times over creating no excitement for the vast majority of the league. Yeah it's great when you are a four-time, four-time, four-time, four-time Champion like me, but for the majority of the league it's a vicious cycle.

We have had a pretty awesome run in this league that we made up by ourselves. Overall it has had very little true discontent.....but the fact is that the keeper and roster structures as they are now have encouraged a continuous hording of top talent while the bottom feeders stockpile draft picks.....only to see those picks have much less worth than they should as the top teams have 3 or more top 10 wrestlers.

While some of the details are still being discussed, there is a general sentiment that most seem to agree with that some kind of restructuring is in order. We are batting around different keeper/starter/total roster number combinations that would keep things livelier and more interesting from top to bottom. The thought it to create more parity, make roster choices tougher and keep interest keener. The two main points are:

1 - Keeper/starter/total roster configuration

Currently we have 4 keepers, 6 starters and 8 total wrestlers, referred to as a 4/6/8 structure. We have had discussions about a 2/5/7 configuration, which limits the roster size and lowers your starters which should leave more on the waiver wire. With only 2 keepers it also makes each successive draft all the more exciting, as you will be able to have a true shot at strong wrestlers each year.

On one hand people think that lowering starters would make the league more exciting. On the other hand, people think it might be "too easy" to field a full roster.

2 - Start from total scratch or do a modified keeper/draft pick structure?

Things are still being discussed on this one, with cogent arguments on both sides. There is one position that thinks that teams that worked hard to build up their rosters or draft pick positions shouldn't be penalized for that. Another position is - if you have to restructure the league, just blow it up completely, re-draft from scratch and start your new keeper and roster rules all at once.

Let's hear from EVERYONE. This is our league, from 1 to 10. Some teams will get a short straw no matter what we do. But, if we can make a more fun, competitive league for all 10 teams, it seems worth it.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:54

Can we restructure that subject title? that thing is brutal on the eyes! :)

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 13:55

I'm leaning towards a 2/4/6 with this year being a complete start from scratch. It would put a lot of pop in to the draft and get everyone involved again.

And 2/4/6 would create pretty good roster turnover each year, make people think about who to start, and still keep wrestlers on the waiver wire who have value.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 14:02

Can we restructure that subject title? that thing is brutal on the eyes! :)

Only if you let me keep my draft picks ;) Hell, I even have a typo in the title! LOL

I am indifferent so far on 2/4/6 vs. 2/5/7.....but feel very strongly that if you change the rules, you have to level the playing field and REDRAFT from scratch.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 14:10

Agreed Species.

Ok, unless someone suggests a new strategy here's my vote...

2/4/6 with a total redraft this year.

wiggs
ID: 4868614
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 15:08

my vote is 3/6/8 with keepers this year and picks carrying over

Great One
ID: 17459269
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 15:52

I could see 2 keepers and compromising on the 4/6 vs. 6/8 thing by making it 5/7. I kind of like the sound of having a "Starting 5" each week.

I think 2 keepers will redistribute some of those top guys back out there across the board without completely blowing everything up.

Tree
ID: 41371322
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 16:13

although i think it all bears much discussion - and there isn't much hurry since we got nothing but time - right now i'm learning toward 2/4/6 with some sort of system involving keepers and not quite a complete blow up of rosters.

various thoughts:

1. one keeper per team, but NOT that team's high scorer.

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scratch that. i really was thinking that there should be some carry over, but the more i looked at it, the more i was like - keeping players right now defeats the purpose.

the league has gotten too lopsided. if everyone is keeping two players, we're talking about a re-draft that doesn't include Edge, Christian, The Hardys, Jericho, Cena, Batista, Morrison, Misterio, MVP, etc.

so maybe Punk and Orton make it into the draft because GO keeps Edge and Jericho. but after that, we're all starting to do that "well, i hope this guy scores me some points, but i wonder if he'll get tv time" thing, which stopped being fun awhile ago.

in football, in keeper leagues, there are always hot rookies you can't wait to get in the draft. in baseball, the rosters are so big, you're going to have good players in the first round, and players that you pump your fist when they fall to you.

that doesn't happen here anymore, because the big stars are all concentrated on a few teams.

yes, you guys worked hard to get where you are. and i won't deny it's a bit unfair to snatch things away from you. but if 7 or 8 people in a league of 10 aren't really caring anymore, drastic changes are needed to save the league.

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on a related note, we should also think about our drafts in future seasons if we do this. previously, we had a formula that involved keeper points plus draft position. and i liked it, and thought it was unique.

but now, if there are only two keepers, im not sure we need that formula anymore, and should just go for a straight worst-to-first draft.

Great One
ID: 205282111
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 19:00

Well unfortunately I am quite in a predicament if we decide to make it completely non-keeper in the middle of a season because then I can't trade Edge and it would be very likely that Wiggs would catch me in that scenario. I don't know how to get around that other than stopping the season today and redrafting this week and having either a season til No Mercy or all the way to Wrestlemania. But thats not fair to Wiggs either who is still in contention.

Which is obviously why "normal" fantasy leagues don't make huge rules changes in midseason. Lots of ramifications.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 19:06

You calling us abnormal?? WTF??!?!? ;)

Tree
ID: 41371322
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 19:15

well, we could just declare GO The Grand Puba Champion of RWF, and then have sprint-like "mini-season" until we can do a full season...

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 19:20

That actually seems like a good idea Tree.....unless what GO says is true and wiggs would have a chance with Edge out.

How about Co-Champs?

Great One
ID: 205282111
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 19:38

Well I only think he would have good chance if we make it non-keeper and I just lose a top guy and can't do anything about it. If it were a "normal" season a trade would be made even for a decent scorer ala Cody or Miz etc. and I think I would hold on pretty comfortably, though I expect he'll chip away a few hundred points. Thats how these moves would be drastically effecting the outcome of the season though.

Tree
ID: 41371322
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 20:19

ok. i'll release all my players, and let GO and Wiggs fight for them. they're not doing me any good... ;o)

Greg Rude
ID: 405122015
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 21:51

Whatever you guys decide, I will gladly roll with the punches. Some people here don't really care what anyone has to say unless they are an original ... and that's cool, I can understand that. When we get to something final to vote on, i'll be ready. It's been fun to read, for sure.

Rude
Season 12 Champ

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 21:55

LOL. Love the signature Rude.

And I'm not sure if anyone is like that. I could care less who the originals are. And I'm one of them. Of course I think I'm also the only original who hasn't won a title.

But everyone here has an equal say. Just seems that only a few seem to ever dig their hands in and try to fix things. Or at the very least only a few of us have summers off or jobs that let us tool on the internet a lot.

Mike D
ID: 8636512
Mon, Jul 06, 2009, 22:20

I am trying to catch up on all of this.

So GO may be named the champion of this strike-shortened season?? And I can stay on the picket line and not do multi-colored, resource-hogging scoring?

I've always loved drafting. I kind of think if radical changes are made we need to start completely over with our next season. Can't screw this one up. Can't screw the new one up.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 18:02

Rude - bullshit. You have added a lot to our game and original or not, who gives a rat's ass. This is your league too. I'd like to hear what you think.

We need to get Zyre, Bobo and GL in the house as well to get their takes.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 18:36

GO is ahead by over 1000 points. IMO, losing Edge will not cost GO the title. I say award him an asterisk-laden title and do a short-season with newly implemented keeper/roster/starter rules.

To me, this means we blow up EVERYTHING and redraft with 2/4/6 or 2/5/7 rules going forward.

Just one man's opinion.

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 21:46

2-4-6 works for me.
Ditto blowing everything up and starting over.

And anytime works for me.
As long as it doesn't interfere with GLB.
Species would not be happy with me :)

Zyre
ID: 54519200
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 05:42

2/4/6 with a redraft

Also if we were still automatically losing our top scorer I think a special dispensation should be made for Species, with 4 round picks and crap for a roster this season he was clearly lining up for next season I think he should be allowed to retain Ziggler if he wanted to.

I also think GO was the clear and still likely runaway winner this season and have no problem with him as this season's champ asterik or no *.

Z

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 11:43

It seems we have a sentiment of 2 keepers, 4 starters and 6 total roster spots with a complete redraft being the greatest sentiment currently.

I am confused in one sense though. In my interpretation of that proposal, there would be ZERO keepers going into this redraft. The 2 keepers part of this new structure would be for the following season. Is that how others have interpreted it? It doesn't seem as if that was Zyre's viewpoint.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 11:53

My interpretation is that it would be no keepers and for a 6(or 7) round draft to happen immediately. Then 2/4/6 beyond that. Though I still believe I prefer the 2/5/7 greatly and the idea of having a "starting 5" cause 4 just seems way too shallow to me.

We need Bobo to chime in as well.

Also need to confirm if this "season" would just go til the Oct. PPV or if it will go all the way til Wrestlemania. And I presume it would be snake draft, but will draft order be random then?

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 11:58

I really don't want 2/5/7 but 4 starters does seem a little shallow. Not sure I'd want 2/5/6 though. But 2 keepers is the max I'd want.

I'd say we could run a real long season to WM since its a full restart and should see plenty of parity.

Snake makes the most sense. Totally random draft order (maybe get a 3rd party to run a number generator for us.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 15:17

Well if we are redrafting, seems like we'd need to start tomorrow to do 6-7 rounds in 3-4 days. I suspect it will go very quick especially with a snake draft, but we need everyone to chime in tonight and get it confirmed.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 16:33

So the proposal as it stands now is:

1 - Declare Great One the winner of this season

2 - Do a complete restart of the league structure, eliminating all rosters, keepers and draft picks from past activity

3 - Start a new "extended" season ASAP that will go through Wrestlemania in April 2009.

4 - Do a random draw for draft order, and complete a new 'snake' draft to determine new rosters.

5 - From that point forward, do a new 2/4/6 or 2/5/7 keepers/starters/total roster configuration.

6 - Enjoy a fresh new league with some exciting new parity

Any big time objections? We need to hash out 2/4/6 or 2/5/7. I'm indifferent. 2/4/6 makes it pretty shallow and should leave active wrestlers on the waiver wire....also in theory making it easier for the entire league to compete. 2/5/7 goes deeper and *perhaps* grants some advantage to the more ardent followers.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 16:43

I'm indifferent as well. Don't really want to draft "tomorrow" as I've been out of town.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 16:56

We don't need to be in a hurry. We can certainly wait another week. Get a look at what is happening with Edge before we declare a winner.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 16:58

Why don't we see what happens on Raw and ask everyone to be prepared to draft starting Wednesday of next week if we decide to go that route?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 17:05

So far we have Farn, GL and Zyre with 2/4/6 votes.

Mike D and me indifferent.

Rude non-commital and Bobo quiet.

GO wanting 2/5/7.

Tree leaning 2/4/6.

I'd like to hear from wiggs now that it seems as if there is a clear consensus that a total redraft is the way to go......but unless GO knocks everyone's socks off with a 2/5/7 argument, it looks like we are leaning 2/4/6.

Greg Rude
ID: 405122015
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 19:33

I'm gonna vote 2/5/7 and add to Z's sentiments - give Species some kind of credit for the 4 1st round draft picks he saved up.

Greg Rude
ID: 405122015
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 19:35

For Species, perhaps 1 keeper and his choice for his position in the draft. I wouldn't go ahead and say #1 since it's a snake draft and 19 picks between 1 and 20 is a LONG wait.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 20:09

Maybe a compromise for those who planned well, either for this current season or next: let them pick their draft position?

Not sure how we'd sort that out because GO will win the league but Species is well built. But maybe there is middle ground so players can be rewarded one last time for good Season 13 strategy?

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 20:12

I still prefer to have a deeper roster- I think the league will be boring we start 4. There is a strong chance you will not have anyone on atleast 1 of the shows.

We are planning on cutting 20 wrestlers from rosters and eliminating 20 starters.

I think this will also make it less enjoyable to take a flyer on someone- with limited space on the rosters.

Tree
ID: 41371322
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 23:47

losing 20 starters isn't a big deal. we're talking about a league where over 30 wrestlers have less than 100 points.

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 01:47

that is after week 11- also you have to see that guys like HBK and Taker are much lower then they should be- it just a bad season for them.

my biggest thing is with 8 roster spots I was able to find Jake Hager- Jack Swagger and stach him away for a whole season until his debut. with 6 spots you cant do that and it just becomes a game of people not using waiver priority and waiting for the big name to pop up.

I dont think people will want to claim mid card guys because they want to save their priority for the one big move of the year- this will make the game boring in my opinion

Zyre
ID: 40837220
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 05:07

Well after looking at the top 50 scorers this season and some of the arguments presented here I am switching my roster vote to 2/5/7.

Also I would like to propose that Species get the #1 pick in the draft based on his 4 #1's for next season. I also think if we randomize the order behind Species the most fair way to draft in a redraft is serpentine, 1-10, 10-1. 1-10, etc.

GO on G1
ID: 4867520
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 08:51

I think species gets first pick of where he wants to pick if we
are trying to reward him somewhat.

Tree
ID: 41371322
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 09:02

what about a 2/4/6 roster, with a prospect slot that can be held for anyone, indefinitely, until that wrestler scores 100 points...

Great One
ID: 17459269
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 11:10

Thats an interesting idea, but not everybody knows prospects or wants to take the time to scout FCW or whatever. I like it, and would probably drop down to 50 point threshold (2 matches?) but not sure everyone wants to go that deep.

I also still think 4 starters is a terrible overreaction, we always had 5 (even with 12 teams) and that was fine and that prior to the extra shows. We only went to 6 to put all the extra talent to work.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 11:11

to further that point - 4 is going to increase emphasis on the big time studs, because tag guys and diva's will be worthless. Hell a guy like Miz who has been active and on a PPV all season isn't in the top 40 right now.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 11:27

Re 15: Do I count as an original?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 11:42

I think I am leaning towards 2/5/7

I appreciate the sentiments about my stash of picks.....but GO and wiggs and others are losing value too in their stable of keepers they are giving up. If those guys give up their value, why can't I? I would be okay just making it random redraft order to make it fair to all.

So....let's point towards a Wednesday, 12:00pm ET draft next week? It sounds like we are well on our way to agreeing on a structure that will be suitable.

I kind of like the prospect idea....but I like 2/5/7 too. Can we have both? Lots of questions would have to be answered:
- WHAT defines a prospect?
- Must they have a WWE contract: be it developmental only or otherwise?
- What about Mexican/Japanese wrestlers?
- What about guys in TNA?
- What about retired old farts like Flair and Hogan?

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 12:03

I still prefer 2/4/6. I don't want the waiver wires bare. I want some thought put in to starters and to claims. The auto pilot league is what we have now and its miserable. Make people make moves consistently, whether its roster or starters.

I am opposed to prospects. Never liked it in baseball and would like it less here. If you really want to stash guys stick with the massive roster size we have now. Then we can stick with the boredom we have now where no moves get made of any value (minus the midseason trades).

Great One
ID: 17459269
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 12:26

Yeah, the prospect thing would be tricky but I think we could come up with something. And I don't think it needs to be some obscure guy, you could have Kurt Angle there, just have it defined as a non-WWE main roster guy. And what if we use it as the 7th spot? Like 2/5/6* and the 7th is your prospect with a one man bench. That short bench will keep people active, picking up Lawler for RAW or a diva for a PPV match or whatever.

I think 5 will still leave waiver wire moving because remember, we added a sixth spot because there was so much extra talent out there not being utilized in starting lineups.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 12:27

Yes BH, you are an original. You and MITH should vote!

Zyre
ID: 40837220
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 12:49

Since we are going to randomize the draft order I want to reiterate that I think it should be a serpentine draft style, it would suck for someone to randomly get 9th or 10th as opposed to picking last every round because you had a good season and have good keepers to build around.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 13:20

The snake draft is a given.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 14:16

.....but serpentine sounds cooler!

Greg Rude
ID: 405122015
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 20:45

Zyre should change his name to Serpentor! (Or Zyrpentor!)

GO on G1
ID: 4867520
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 23:28

I'm gonna start going by wilt chamberlin.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 13:33

Summarizing what I believe to be our conclusions so far, it looks like we pretty much have a consensus for everything in post 25....with the only thing to be decided is 2/4/6 or 2/5/7.

I officially vote 2/5/7.
Rude, Zyre and GO have voted 2/5/7.

Mike D indifferent. Tree seems undecided but leaning 2/4/6. wiggs seems to want a bigger roster so I think he's leaning 2/5/7.

Farn wanting 2/4/6. GoatLocker has voted 2/4/6.

We'd like to start the draft this week so we can start our new season next Monday. We need to figure this out boys.

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 13:39

I am definitely 2/5/7

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 13:40

I will be away friday, saturday and sunday, I will have my cell with internet access and text access though so I shouldnt hold anything up.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 14:16

2/5/7: Species, Rude, Zyre, GO, wiggs
2/4/6: Farn, GoatLocker
Undecided: Tree (but leaning 2/4/6)
Indifferent: Mike D
Unheard from: Bobo

Great One
ID: 065867
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 14:54

Alright, so we're tentatively going 2/5/7 at this point based on that synopsis. So what else do we know...

2/5/7*
12 PM Wednesday
7 Rounds - Start from scratch
Snake/Serpentine Draft
Season 14 runs til Wrestlemania

Tree - Can you get a hold of Bobo to make sure he's ready to roll?
Farn/Mike - Can you take one of those scoring spreadsheets and just alphabetize it so everyone has a "available player" pool? I think that would help make it go quicker.
GO - I'll work on the randomizing the draft order

Also, I wanted to make a proposal on the draft pick trades limiting 1 calendar year in advance of trading picks. When it was happening 2 years ago I thought that was going to barbell the league to extremes and I think it was right. I believe people sold picks like 3-4 seasons out and I think that contributed to some of our parity problems.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 15:00

Some form of draft pick limitation is needed for sure.

When the draft starts Mike D or I will post a total chart of guys currently on the WWE roster. That list won't include FCW, TNA, or Hulk Hogan type guys.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 15:01

Btw, I'd say we let Guru autoshuffle the draft order as an impartial 3rd party. Maybe give him the managers in alphabetical order and have a couple of guys send him random numbers?

DWetzel at work
ID: 49962710
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 15:02

If you need random numbers/assignments, I'd be willing to do that if Guru can't quickly. I randomly observe the league for amusement value.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 15:10

I found a free one at FFtoolbox, but I have to put in all 10 emails and I don't want to get everyone spammed. I'm cool with sending a list to Guru or DWetzel (shoot me an email, thanks).

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 15:11

amusement? You should start chiming in. :)

DWetzel at work
ID: 49962710
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 15:16

Believe me, you don't want that.

I do know enough to know who the 10 managers are (but just to be safe, you may want to list them again!). I'll do some severe Excel style randomization and get you a draft order pretty quick-like if you want one.

Great One
ID: 065867
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 15:21

Farn
Wiggs
GO
Bobo
Rude
Tree
Mike D
Goatlocker
Zyre
Species

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 17:01

Can I now accept my right to choose my spot in the draft?!? LMAO

Ummmmmm......and this wasn't exactly intended to be "Majority Rules" decision......although IMO I don't think the 2/4/6 voters will have a problem with 2/5/7, but I don't want to speak for them.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 17:13

Majority rules is really the only way to do it I'd say. And Mike's "abstain" vote actually helps give an odd number to the situation.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 17:19

Well, a decision definitely needs to be finalized. I would just hate for someone to come kicking and scratching instead of willingly.

Re: #62 - oh cool! I just realized that GO was just listing everyone in the league so DWetzel could randomize the draft order! Phew!!

I find it amusing that DWetzel observers our league for amusement.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 17:33

I can move my abstain if need be. Although according to GO, I have helped the league in doing so (lol).

So we are putting the draft order handling in the hands of a madman onlooker named DWetzel, who claims to be at work? WTF?

LMAO!

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 18:04

I won't fight 2/5/7. I prefer 2/4/6 but I'll be fine.

Dwetzel, I'd like the #3 pick please. Thanks.

Great One
ID: 205282111
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 20:07

I used to hang out with a Jason Whetzell in college, I bet they are related. Hope he gets the check.

Macho Man
ID: 405122015
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 21:37

DWetzzzzel Yeah! DIG IT!

Probably just likes my predictions, uh huh!
Gonna twist and tuuuurn the draft order like a pretzel, DWetzel, Yeaah until you dip it in the mustaaaard and we are in businessss for Season 14! Can you feel me!

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 21:40

Hehe--I enjoy watching wrestling occasionally (family obligations mean I don't get to very much though). This sort of keeps me slightly in the loop as to what's going on.

Anyhoo... your random draft order (selected by entering the names in Excel, then entering the RAND () function next to all ten, then asking my wife for a number between 1 and 10--she chose 7--then entering that many numbers into other Excel sheets so that the RAND would recalculate 7 times)... your draft order is:

Bobo
Wiggs
Tree
Mike D
Goatlocker
Zyre
GO
Rude
Farn
Species

Enjoy.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 21:44

Recount!

Greg Rude
ID: 405122015
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 21:46

It will work, but I still think we let Species put his name where he wants - then everyone else under him moves down a spot.

Greg Rude
ID: 405122015
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 21:48

Except we should verify he isn't a friend of Bobo or Wiggs. lol

DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:05

For the record, Excel spits out a random number between 0 and 1 with that function... Species' number was something like .0006. That's not good.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:16

Neither Bobo nor wiggs have friends who can spew out all that Excel stuff. I'm not sure they can even copy and paste. Well, except Farn. He copied some test questions once I heard.

I'm convinced of the legitimacy of this thoughtful, caring, detailed, and professional number juggler.

Oh and I just noticed I pick 4th. Nice.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:17

And thanks to the redraft, 4th won't be between Barry Horrowitz and Steve Lombardi.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:21

List of wrestlers that were either on rosters, had scored points, or were free agents with point potential:

Alicia Fox
Batista
Beth Phoenix
Big Show
Brett DiBiase
Brian Kendrick
Brie Bella
Candice
Carlito
Charlie Haas
Chavo Guerrero
Chris Jericho
Chris Masters
Christian Cage
CM Punk
Cody Rhodes
Curt Hawkins
D.H. Smith
DJ Gabriel
Dolph Ziggler
Donald Trump
Edge
Eric Escobar
Evan Bourne
Eve Torres
Ezekiel
Festus
Finlay
Funaki
Gail Kim
Goldust
Great Khali
Gregory Helms
Hornswaggle
Jack Swagger
Jamie Noble
Jeff Hardy
Jerry Lawler
Jesse Dalton
Jillian Hall
Jim Ross
Jimmy Wang Yang
Joe Hennig
John Cena
John Morrison
Josh Matthews
JTG
Kane
Katie Lea Burchill
Kelly Kelly
Ken Kennedy
Kofi Kingston
Kurt Angle
Layla
Low Ki
Maria
Mark Henry
Maryse
Matt Hardy
Matt Striker
Melina
Michael Cole
Michelle McCool
Mickie James
Mike Knox
Mike Mizanin
MVP
Nattie Neidhart
Nicole Bella
Paul Burchill
Primo
Randy Orton
Ranjin Singh
Rey Mysterio
Rhino
Ric Flair
Ricky Ortiz
Ricky Steamboat
Ron Killings
Rosa Mendes
Santino Marella
Shad Gaspard
Shane McMahon
Shawn Michaels
Sheamus O'Shaunessy
Shelton Benjamin
Sim Snuka
Stephanie McMahon
Stu Sanders
Ted Dibiase Jr
Theodore Long
Tiffany
Todd Grisham
Tommy Dreamer
Tony Atlas
Triple H
Tyson Kidd
Umaga
Undertaker
Vickie Guerrero
Vince McMahon
Vladimir Kozlov
William Regal
Zack Ryder

Greg Rude
ID: 405122015
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:37

Mike, any chance we will get a slightly updated weekly standings chart to use as a tool?

Great One
ID: 205282111
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:40

I know how to do a V-Lookup!

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:48

is that the draft order, or the order that we select our draft position?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:54

Draft order.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 22:55

I was halfway done week 12, so I can finish it. There's a chance I can do week 13 tomorrow night.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 13, 2009, 23:26

Ya know, we could make that the order in which we select positions. Either is fine with me since I'll get the same spot anyway.

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 10:35

I am not so sure you will farn :)

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 11:37

Let's just call it the draft order. This isn't RIBC.

Have we heard confirmation from Tree that he'll be ready tomorrow......and is Bobo alive?

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 13:47

Should I open a thread to start the draft? Anyone who wants to draft probably could. Might not hurt to get it going early with people going out of town and needing 7 rounds to draft.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 13:53

I'd say go ahead, 3 hour clock starting tomorrow at noon? But Bobo is still missing so it may not matter...

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 13:55

Oh true. Well I guess we'd kill 2 birds with 1 stone: find out if Bobo is game and get the first pick made at once.

I'll get a thread going soon.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 13:58

And keep the thread titles short... maybe a Season 14 Draft and then a Season 14 News & Discussion... no more of this abomination of a title that Species came up with.

Also, I know we all kind of know, but just needs to be thrown out there that with the 2/5/7 we are continuing to throw back high scorer. Perhaps we should summarize this all in the first S14 News thread.

Tree
ID: 41371322
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 14:01

i'm good. just been busy the last few days. the girlfriend is leaving for 4 weeks in australia tonight...

bobo is around. he's a teacher though, so he relishes his summers. but he'll be ready, i'm sure.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 14:02

I'm in the same boat. I relish my summers too. I spend them catching up on things like Rotoguru and GLB. :)

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 14:09

ya know its just occurring to me....

Because this draft only has 7 rounds those with the earlier picks have an advantage. yes, its the 7th round and no studs will be available but its still an advantage.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 14:18

Maybe reverse the starting waiver order opposite of the 7th (and 1st)?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 14:26

Yeah, being last in the 1st and 7th is a bad draw. I could see no snaking in round 7 and going inverse of Round 1.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 15:01

well if thats what we want we'd need to decide soon. Whoever drafts first in round 7 should be last in the waiver wire. Just a matter of which way we go.

Great One
ID: 17459269
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 15:09

I think thats plenty fair, you get a disadvantage there but first crack at a new guy coming along. We had to pick a waiver order somehow anyway so I don't expect anyone would oppose that.

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 15:12

that was 1 reason I was hoping we were picking our draft spot, I would have picked a later pick.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 18:35

lol.......well personally I don't want to give up a high waiver spot! Keep it the same then if you're also switching waiver positions. No way the person with the first pick overall should also get #1 waiver priority.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 11:33

If/When we get to my picks this week please email me (or text me). I'll answer as promptly as possible.

100

Great One
ID: 17459269
Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 12:31

I don't think we'll be doing anything til we hear from Bobo, or Tree gets a hold of him.

101

wiggs
ID: 4868614
Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 19:30

so much for a noon start. has anyone heard from bobo? I will be away all weekend with limited access.

102

Bobo
ID: 49112318
Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 21:09

sorry y'all - vacation in Northern Michigan took me away (and I loved every second of it) from the real world for a bit.

I get to make the 1st pick...and it is done. I am getting back in the swing of being online after some time away, so I will be checking in regularly.

103

Great One
ID: 17459269
Thu, Jul 16, 2009, 09:17

No big deal sir, but as penalty you need to trade me Punk! :)

104

GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Thu, Jul 16, 2009, 09:56

I'll pick in a sec.
I have no access at all anymore during the day.

Cliff

105

Great One
ID: 17459269
Thu, Jul 16, 2009, 10:16

Cliff - I just want to confirm that you know Batista is injured for a few more months. That may be alright since we are going all the way to Wrestlemania, but in the interest of this being a fresh start and all...

If you were unaware, then I'm I propose we could let you change the pick maybe at the end of the first round?

106

wiggs
ID: 4868614
Thu, Jul 16, 2009, 14:57

3 of my guys in the top 8 picks it makes me sad

107

Great One
ID: 17459269
Thu, Jul 16, 2009, 14:58

I had #1, #2, #3...

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