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Subject: Survivor Season 12

Posted by: katietx - [361132147] Tue, Jan 10, 2006, 16:09

J
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ID: 049346417
Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 15:07

So, we're trying to come up with a Survivor pool at work. I'm looking for suggestions

Here's the basics

4 people involved - $10 each

16 survivors, so we have a snake draft and we each get 4 survivors.

Whoever drafts the sole survivor gets $20. Whoever drafts the runner up gets $8
The other $12 is based on challenges:

Before the merge:
Immunity Challenge win = 1 point
Reward Challenge win = 1 point

After the merge:
Individual immunity challenge win = 2 points
Reward Challenge win = 2 points

Of the 4 of us, whoever accumulates the most points wins the $12.

What do you think? Any other ideas? Changes?

JeffG
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ID: 1584348
Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 16:35

We had a pool in my office for the survivor Thailand several years ago. We had 15 people who participated and each week we had to pick our first, second, and third choice for who would get voted out (we got 10, 5, or 3 points if correct), we had to pick who would get team immunity (2 points if correct), and later provided 2 choices for individual (3 or 1 point if correct). For the final-4 episode, we had to pick who would win (for 10 points), and had only 1 guess for each immunity (3 pts) and vote off (5 points). The day of each episode, the person who organized the pool compiled the picks each week for Thursday night, and it was fun rooting and everything was going great, until one of our pool entrants, about 4 weeks into the show found a spoiler site who claimed to make 'predictions' each week, but must have had basically insider info and spoilers, because they were never wrong. So the last 9 episodes actually were painful because I knew in advance what was going to happen. That site is still around, although I had decided since not to look at it any more.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 390391315
Thu, Jan 19, 2006, 16:46

You could just start your own league in one of the fantasy survivor web sites.

Fantasy Survivor

But really I think your current idea is probably better...once you join a fantasy league you then get people scouring the message boards for the leak of who is being voted off...most vote offs are leaked before the episode.

weykool
ID: 60552122
Sun, Jan 22, 2006, 13:25

J:

I think your idea is best.
We did something similar to what Jeff did.
We had to pick the Elimination order before the first episode and you were given points based on how close they were to that position.
We also made weekly picks for bonus points but halfway into the season one memeber started making the right call.
The rest of the group was about 15% correct and this person had 5 in a row.

Go with your current setup.

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Sun, Jan 22, 2006, 14:45

Hey, is anybody playing in that link chicago gave us? If so, is your league free and could I join?

wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Sun, Jan 22, 2006, 15:02

i am thing of trying it out, but I havent signed up yet.

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Jan 25, 2006, 21:42

alright, we had our draft, here's my squad!

Aras Baskauskas
Danielle DiLorenzo
Dan Barry (an astronaut!)
Cirie Fields

So I've got 2 Patriots/Red Sox fans (Dan, Danielle)
a self proclaimed "hot nurse" (Cirie)
and a guy with a name I won't even bother to pronounce!

I've got this thing won :)

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Sun, Apr 09, 2006, 20:10

Well J it looks like 50% of your guys are still in it and not likely to be going for a few weeks. Do they have to win it all? Or do you get anything for the further in the game they go?

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Sun, Apr 09, 2006, 20:12

BTW, I personally don't think the Exile Island idea added much to the game, but the hidden Idol and the way it is adding "some" suspense to the game is kind of cool..

And why every season does the most annoying person take forever to be gotten rid of? Shane being that person this season.

C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sun, Apr 09, 2006, 22:15

Because you want to keep Mr. Annoying around. If I was on Survivor, I'd pull a Brian (Marquesas?) who kept Clay around 'til the end. Who is the jury going to vote for, the guy who rode along and didn't ruffle any feathers, or Mr. Annoying?

J
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ID: 049346417
Mon, Apr 10, 2006, 00:45

I've actually still got 3 left (Aras, Danielle, Cirie).

I get points for each challenge they win. If I have the winner I get $20, If I have the runner up I get $8. If my 4 picks combine for the most challenge points, I'd get the other $12.

ChicagoTRS
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ID: 566152116
Mon, Apr 10, 2006, 09:34

Really disappointing season for me...can't believe the stronger group blew their chance...when it was 6 vs 5 they should have pulled the immunity idol at the vote out and tied it up 5-5. When he didn't use the idol that week...I thought ok he is just going to keep it for himself and pull it when he needs it but then this last week he is offerring to give it away. Use it when it meant something...now everyone knows he has it and the numbers are getting so slanted he will have to win every challenge from here on out to have a chance (which seems possible with this cast of characters).

This has to go down as one of the more unlikable and idiotic alliances to take hold of the game. The one positive they have going for them is the stronger side was not able to break them up. If it had went to 5 vs 5 I bet you would have had every one of them scurrying over to the other side.

beastiemiked
ID: 12043123
Mon, Apr 10, 2006, 20:25

Even if he would've used the idol when Nick got voted out, it would've been 5-4 the next tribal. They were down two players going to the merge which means they needed to sway one of the other tribe their way in order to get the numbers.

I'm not sure who to root for now that Austin got voted out. Terry rubs me the wrong way but he's definitely more likable then most of the others left. I'd love to see Shane in the finals to see some of the stupid things he'd say to justify voting for him to win.

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Fri, Apr 14, 2006, 17:36

pretty predictable last night, I knew Terry wasn't giving up the idol, seeing as now he has to lose 2 immunity challenges from here on out to make the final 2. The first one he loses, he'll whip it out and his only competition, Aras, will be gone, if he isn't gone already...

I think Terry has a pretty good chance of taking it all, my $$$$'s on him from here on out...

Boxman
ID: 14318144
Fri, Apr 14, 2006, 18:18

Now that Terry has the idol, Exile Island is pretty much useless to me from a viewer standpoint. Why not put a clue on the island to help with the next reward/immunity challenge or maybe even a special reward for going to Exile Island? It doesn't have to be a car. Something small would work just fine.

I like Terry and I hope he wins. He's in a rough spot. Anything to bust up the idiots in charge of that alliance works for me.

The most annoying alliance in Survivor history is still Rob and "Ambah". I could handle Shane and Cirie moving in with me for a weekend before I could stomach another episode of the Rob & "Ambah" show.

beastiemiked
ID: 12043123
Fri, Apr 14, 2006, 18:36

Aras needs to realize that Terry still being in the game is huge for him. The longer Terry is around the less of a target he is. It certainly doesn't sound like the other 5 would care if Aras was idoled out.

My predictions for the rest of the game:
Bruce, looks like he's going to be evaced out next episode
Danielle, Terry loses immunity but Aras and Shane team up to vote against Danielle in order to save Aras from elimination
Aras, Terry wins immunity and votes with Cirie and the blond chic
Blonde chic, Terry wins immunity and makes a deal with Cirie for final 2.
Cirie, Terry goes against his word
Terry wins 5-2(Aras and Cirie dissenting)

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Sat, Apr 15, 2006, 16:28

First of all, by no means whatsoever should cirie even still be in the game.

And you think shane is going all the way to #2? I hope not.

And I hope Danielle lasts longer than that. She's much less annoying than any of the other old Casayas.

my predictions are:

Aras, terry wins immunity and the casayas and terry vote him out knowing he is their #1 competition...

Shane, blonde chic wins immunity, the 5 casayas vote for terry but he whips out the idol and he placed a vote for Shane...

bruce, terry wins immunity, terry and the girls join together to vote him out...

blonde chic, same as with bruce only danielle and cirie join together to get rid of her

danielle, terry wins again and picks cirie knowing she is the least worthy of the title and hopes to get the votes...

terry wins 4-3, shane, danielle and blonde chic for cirie, and austin, aras, bruce, and sally vote for terry...

beastiemiked
ID: 12043123
Sat, Apr 15, 2006, 16:54

Skidazl, I'm going on entertainment value. Shane may be annoying but with him gone it would be a lot less exciting. Part of the fun of reality tv is seeing people make fools of themselves.

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Sat, Apr 15, 2006, 17:05

good point, but with danielle gone there would also be nothing to look at... ;-)

so let's keep shane and danielle to the final 2...

J
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ID: 10171012
Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 14:09

too bad with what happened to Bruce. I was thinking Shane would sway and get Courtney, Bruce and Terry and run to the final four. Glad that didn't happen. I've still got Aras, Cirie and Danielle alive in my little fantasy survivor game!

How would you guys rate everyone as far as most deserving?

1. Terry
2. Aras
3. Shane
4. Cirie
5. Danielle
6. Courtney

I hate that Shane is so high on that list, he's such an annoying little bitch!

Terry only has 2 more chances to use his hidden immunity idol before it becomes worthless in the final four. If these guys are wise and they realize he has it, they'd keep Terry til after the final four, then boot him as soon as (well, IF) he loses a challenge.

C1-NRB
ID: 5131158
Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 14:33

If Danielle makes it into the final two she can take it all. She's flying so low under the radar, hasn't made anyone mad, hasn't been whiney, hasn't won anything herself out-right that she can get winning votes.

If Terry can use the information he picked up from the challenge to drive a wedge he could pull off the biggest comeback since Chris in Vanuatu.

Species
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ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 15:50

It was too bad about Bruce. After the reward challenge and Courtney getting all bent out of shape, coupled with Shane's blow up, I thought there could have been a chance to swing a coup.

I'm not so sure about Danielle, she did 'win' the "Who does the LEAST around camp" award. If Terry is smart, he tries to sway Danielle and Courtney with the "you are not in their final 3" angle.

I'm definitely rooting for Terry and have been impressed with Cirie. She looked totally worthless but somehow missed the ax and has made it into a power position.

Love the Chris from Vanuatu reference. That was one of my favorite seasons just because he overcame such incredible odds to win.....plus he was slimey as hell in doing it!

C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 18:35

I was surprised she got the "does the LEAST" award. Cirie and Courtney must be doing things we don't see.

beastiemiked
ID: 12043123
Fri, Apr 21, 2006, 19:27

I actually wouldn't vote Terry as one of the most deserving. Despite the other tribe basically hating each other he never managed to splinter them. He tried to hatch way too many schemes despite having a free pass whenever he needed it. If he makes the finals he's definitely not guaranteed the win as it sounds like most people have grown tired of him.

If Cirie finishes anywhere other than 3rd I'll be very surprised. She is the perfect player to take to the final 3. She won't win the endurance challenge and the other player can't pick her to go to the finals because she most likely would win.

J
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ID: 049346417
Thu, Apr 27, 2006, 21:26

Terry royally screwed up by not giving his hidden idol to Courtney tonight. That would've knocked Aras out. Next week Shane would've been gone and Terry would've clinched his million.

Now he HAS to use it next week, so he may as well just take a nap during the immunity challenge.

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Thu, Apr 27, 2006, 21:38

oops, knew I shouldn't have looked in here...

Species
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ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 28, 2006, 01:30

Disagree J. He has tried for 5 weeks now to get some group to turn, and they keep dissing him. It's self-preservation

Danielle is the biggest flip-flopping b!tch. She sucks.

Cirie is quite the power broker. Loved the look on Shane's face.

Terry's logical play is to see if he wins immunity again next week, and barter with someone (Danielle?) and give them the idol to guarantee their spot in the final 4. In return, Danielle (in this case) agrees to vote for Aras, so when the idol is played Aras is gone and it's 2-2. Danielle would be stupid to double-cross Terry and risk the wrath of the jury.

Of course, she's proven she can't be trusted, so who knows? lol

Skidazl
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ID: 379312323
Fri, Apr 28, 2006, 11:21

Right about terry not screwing up, he was blindsided by courtney getting voted off as much as everybody else except the 3 who did it, so there was no real reason for him to offer the idol to Courtney, he thought Aras was already going...

I once said cirie had no right to even still be in the game, I take that back. I'm actually pulling for her now...

"Danielle is the biggest flip-flopping b!tch. She sucks."

It's called self preservation, she is actually being smart, as far as I can see. I always hated how stupid people acted in the game, but it was easy for me to say, because I saw everything. She is being smart and making all the moves logically. She knows Cirie holds the power so that is who she is going with...

Voting courtney was very wise on Cirie's part especially since they knew everybody wanted to take courtney to the final 2, leaving them in 3rd at best...

This season sucked as far as I was concerned until this week, now things are looking up, and by all means, Shane should be gone next week. I see Aras winning immunity and and shane getting the votes...

C1-NRB
ID: 5131158
Mon, May 01, 2006, 09:41

They'll still go after Aras. Shane has proven he doesn't have any stamina. Terry can cherry pick who to go against in the final three (my choice would be Shane and Cirie). No one would give Shane the million because nobody likes him. Now that Courtney is gone I'd carry him into the finals. Cirie is best player so I'd drop her because the jury sometimes pays the player but rarely pays the annoyer.

weykool
ID: 3331279
Mon, May 01, 2006, 16:31

I dont think Terry made the wrong move.
He is the only player right now guaranteed to be in the final 4.
He needs to make a deal with Danielle to ask for her vote against Aras in exchange for taking her to the final 3.
If he can do that he will assure himself a spot in the finals.
I he wins immunity he can give the Idol to Danielle and when they vote for her, Aras will have two votes knocking him out.
If he loses Immunity then the same drill.
Keep the Idol and vote for Aras.
If Aras wins immunity then they change thier vote to the power broker Ciree.

Am I the only one who remembers Ciree almost being the first player voted out and now is fianl 5?
1 vote can be the difference between 16th and top 5.

C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Mon, May 01, 2006, 23:53

I was absolutely sure Cirie was gone when the Older Women had to go to Tribal Council but she showed she was a real player by turning those other two so easily and dropping their strongest tribe member. She was playing waaaay back then, but no one is around who knows it.

ChicagoTRS
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ID: 566152116
Tue, May 02, 2006, 11:07

Is there a point when Terrys special immunity idol becomes null and void? At what point does he need to give it back if he does not use it?

Seems like he is in great shape to make the final two...needs Aras out next and then he should cruise to immunities (not like he hasn't already)....the final 3 immunity has typically been some sort of endurance test...I can't see anyone competing with him in that. I think his main danger at this point would be to face Cirie in the finals she seems to be the most likeable left...

Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Tue, May 02, 2006, 11:20

TRS - the idol is only good until the Final 4. With 5 left now this week is the last week it can be used.

Mat Cauthon
ID: 551142198
Tue, May 02, 2006, 12:52

So now the hidden immunity idol becomes a really important piece, huh? If Terri wins this next immunity challenge (as he is wont to do), and this is the last week that the hidden idol can be used, he can then barter it away for something valuable. Like an alliance, or a consensus vote against Cirie or Aras.

On a semi-related note, what if Terri makes it to the final two, and has to face a jury made up with A LOT of Casaya members? Wouldn't it be incredible, and unheard of, if those former Casayas gave the $1M to Terri's opponent in the finals, based only on the old tribal breakdown? He certainly hasn't made many friends in his new tribe--the preview for next week implies that there's a bit of a meltdown between he and Aras, and that's on top of his getting on Shane's and Danielle's nerves.

On the other hand, a lot of those former Casaya members are on the jury because of some shady maneuvering by their former tribemates. I mean, it's not like Terri did anything against them except dominate the immunity challenges. I think the "closing arguments" for the jury and the vote for the final two is going to be incredibly interesting because of this.

katietx
ID: 4311371011
Thu, May 04, 2006, 23:44

Nice to see that Shane was surprised tonight. Now Danielle will try and ally with Terri, interesting.

Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 05, 2006, 00:12

Danielle is easily the best person for Terry to take to the final 2. She's turned back and forth many times on many people.....so I think that's what he needs to do. He needs to win immunity so he can allign with Danielle to get Aras off, so he can coast easily into the final 2 after winning the "Endurance" challenge at the end.

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, May 05, 2006, 00:14

i could've SWORN the rule was you have to use your hidden immunity idol by the final four or you lose it. Did Terry blow it??? AGAIN???

I've now got 3 of the final 4 in my little fantasy game!!!!!

I'm tied for first in points though, Terry is killing me!

katietx
ID: 4311371011
Fri, May 05, 2006, 00:29

Species...he has to use it next week (when there are only 4 left) or lose it. Whether he wins or looses the next challenge, he's guaranteed in the final 3. Personally, I hope it wins it all. He is definitely the strongest player and if I remember correctly he hasn't turned his back on anyone yet.

Danielle, Aras or Cirie would have a tough go with Shane on the jury IMO.

Boxman
ID: 1641754
Fri, May 05, 2006, 06:24

Just when I was starting to like Shane too. Danielle is certainly the person to take to the final two. She's the best hope Terry has for the Casaya members to break their allegiance and vote for someone else. I think if Cirie gets to the final two, she wins. Probably the same with Aras.

Picking Shane to see his kid could very well get Terry a key vote on the jury.

I too thought the immunity idol had to be used or losed to get into the final four, not in the final four.

weykool
ID: 15339116
Fri, May 05, 2006, 09:50

My only question was why not give Cerie and Hubby the overnight and Shane and son camp time?
Terry blew it when he should have come back to Aras with:
"If you won the challenge mr mommy's boy would you have even allowed me to hug my wife or would you have sent me to exile island and nothing"?
The problem is Terry has no chance to win the million. He has done nothing to endear himself to any of the other players. If he had tried to be more friendly and less arrogant he might have stood a chance when the other players stabbed each other in the back.

beastiemiked
ID: 18301915
Fri, May 05, 2006, 10:18

Terry already has 3 votes(Austin, Sally, and Bruce) and will only need to sway one other person, Shane or Courtney most likely, to win the million.

weykool
ID: 394849
Fri, May 05, 2006, 12:34

Why does Terry have Bruce.
He tried to work Bruce for an alliance after the merge and Bruce stayed with his "new tribe".
I could see Courtney possibly giving her vote to him but not shane.
Shane despises Terry and will never vote for him.
My guess is Terry displays his arrogance during the Jury council (also known as "last chance for losers to be crybabies" )and he loses 5-2.

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Fri, May 05, 2006, 13:22

Bruce respects him and he never complained about his arrogance. I'd be very surprised if Bruce voted for anyone besides Terry in the finals.

I think Shane will vote for Terry no matter what. Shane never liked Danielle and he got completely screwed over by Cirie and Aras. Not to mention that Terry gave Shane his best memory of survivor.

Cirie has played the best game but unless these survivors are complete idiots they will take her out before the finals.

Mac Daddy
ID: 2343439
Fri, May 05, 2006, 15:15

I agree BMD. Seems to me like Terry already has Austin, Sally and Shane. Shane just got screwed over by everyone but Terry, two weeks in a row. And Terry gave him the cool reward.
I think it depends on Courtney. But Courtney's feelings on the last two episodes must be that Terry didn't screw me, Cirie, Aras and especially Danielle did. And her tribe all thought she was annoying so I doubt she has any love for those people.
I wish Cirie to win but I just don't see how anyone would keep her next wek. I wouldn't even risk her getting in the Final 2.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 15426514
Fri, May 05, 2006, 16:29

My money is on Terry as long as he is not facing Cirie...never can tell with the vote...people make odd choices...

Skidazl
Leader
ID: 379312323
Fri, May 05, 2006, 23:05

I also thought you had to use the idol before the final four, but Terry did say what Katie said about being able to use it next week...

I too thought he should have chosen Cirie and hubby to go to the overnighter, the kid probably would have had a great time in camp, but I think he did it strategically believing Shane was more of a threat than Cirie, boy was he wrong...

And I don't know about you guys but what terry said about it being "just a mom" pissed me off as it did Aras. I am married and my mom is right up there with my wife as far being a huge part of my life...

Bond, James Bond
ID: 153222920
Fri, May 05, 2006, 23:15

Glad to see that Shane finally got the boot. Should have got rid of him lonnnnnnnnnngggggg ago.

IMHO, it looks like an Aras-Danielle finale. Don't think Terry is gonna win EVERY SINGLE IMMUNITY challenge so I suspect he'll be booted soon. If I were them, I'd get rid of Cirie first since she's so likeable and therefore unbeatable if she makes it to the finals.

So, here's my order of finish:
Champ---Aras
2nd place--Danielle
3rd place--Terry
4th place--Cirie

beastiemiked
ID: 18301915
Tue, May 09, 2006, 14:17

Thanks for ruining for us. Appreciate it.

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Fri, May 12, 2006, 01:25

Lamest episode ever.

Doesn't seem Shane or Courtney are too thrilled with Danielle. Even if Cirie wins this challenge either guy would have to be a total idiot to take her to the finals.

Cirie wins if she makes it to the finals
Terry wins if he faces Aras or Danielle
Aras wins if he faces Danielle

Mat Cauthon
ID: 9416128
Fri, May 12, 2006, 09:26

On the other hand BMD, you have to also factor in the producer's editing at this point. They seem to always do something like this, where they edit it to make it look like someone, in this case Courtney and Shane, really dislike someone else like Danielle (judging by the looks on their faces that the producers choose to show when Danielle is talking). In the past, sometimes this has been accurate, and sometimes it's been a total red herring move to make us think differently.

Personally, I agree with your assessment of who-wins-when. But one of the things the jury members always harp on is whether someone just coasted through to the finals without doing much work around camp. Could that work against Cirie? I didn't see much of the first third of the season--has she done her share around camp? Keeping in mind that she did her fair share of backstabbing (Shane, etc.)...

katietx
ID: 10415920
Fri, May 12, 2006, 09:26

Why do you think Terry would win over Aras? I think the old alliance would carry Aras right to the 1 mil.

Mat Cauthon
ID: 9416128
Fri, May 12, 2006, 09:47

I'd also have to agree with BMD's notion that this was one of the weakest episodes. Why the cliffhanger at the end? Just show us who's a better pyro already and let's keep things moving! ;)

As for Terry vs. Aras... Mostly this is just wishful thinking that a jury won't base their vote based on old tribal lines. That's would be disappointing. But I also think that at least one jury member, like Bruce for instance, would be more likely to base his vote on whether he thought Terry "outplayed" everyone else, which I think he did.

On the other hand, Terry is seeming like more and more of an arrogant prig, and I can easily see that working against him with the later jury members.

Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, May 12, 2006, 11:55

While the psychology of being 'unbeatable' is probably something I would have tried, in hindsight once Terry was 5 on 1 and he kept winning, he should have just kept his trap shut and let the other 5 backstab and turn on one another to create more dissention and have each other to spit venom at instead of giving them ANY ammunition when it came to the final jury.

That immunity ends up being pretty key. Terry would have had an EXCELLENT shot vs. Danielle.....NO shot vs. Cirie and I think he's the underdog vs. Aras. This assumes the ONE second clip I saw of Cirie's fire pit looking pretty good in the fire challenge turns out to be true and Cirie wins. Terry needed that final immunity to protect Danielle and get Aras out....which would have left him zero competition in the final immunity challenge.

Mat Cauthon
ID: 9416128
Fri, May 12, 2006, 12:02

I thought Cirie's firepit looked pretty blazing too, but again, that might just be the editing. I'll keep my fingers crossed over the weekend in the hopes that Cirie's fire burns biggest first. I can't remember a Survivor contestant within the last handful of seasons that I've liked more. Cirie rules.

Boxman
ID: 2630259
Fri, May 12, 2006, 12:44

I can totally see where Terry is coming from, I'm rooting for him, and the Casaya(?) people on that show need to keep their yap shut and cut out the hypocrisy.

1 - There was 5 of them when Terry made his run. You don't think they rubbed it in his nose every chance they had about voting him out first? What would your reaction be? I would personally want to stick it to them.

2 - Terry could very well have a mindset of the best he can do is second place with the layout of the jury. So why not just let it all hangout and rub their noses in it while you can?

3 - The Casaya(?) people have got to be furious that Terry is embarassing them. You don't think he's a target for verbal shots just because of that?

4 - The Casaya(?) people are morons. Cirie drops a large rod in front of Terry in the dark and then gets mad that he said something. When you're walking thru forest or a jungle the last thing you need is one more thing to trip on.

5 - This happens every Survivor season. The group in power rubs it in the face of the losing group and then somebody whines about the treatment as if they wouldn't do the same thing. How funny.

Go get 'em Terry. Give 'em hell.

weykool
ID: 394849
Fri, May 12, 2006, 14:03

I think Terry has wasted an opportunity to become the lesser of 2 evils.
As the odd man out he should have been less combative....let the Casaya memebers stab each other in the back and then play the part of the amiable underdog.
Was he right to bring up Cerie dropping the torch?
Yes....but then he should have let it go.
Why keep going on about it?
If she doesnt "get it" when you first bring it up....she will never "get it".
Going on and on about it doesnt help your standing with anyone.
Sometimes you can be right and win your argument but you still end up being wrong.

As for the "cliffhanger"...what a crock....just show us what happened.
Is there anyone who was watching last night, not going to tune in on Sunday because they know who won the fire challenge?
I dont think so.
If that is the case what is the point?

I would have to think that anyone who wins immunity they would be a fool to take Cerie and Cerie has zero chance in a stamina challenge.
So that only leave 3 possible final 2.
Aras vs Terry.
This will be the most likely secenario.
I would have to give the vote to Aras.
Probably a vote right down tribal lines 5-2
Aras vs Daniell
Once again....Aras
Terry vs Daniell
Too close to call....would depend on the closing arguments.

beastiemiked
ID: 18301915
Fri, May 12, 2006, 14:06

Didn't they say it would be the closest vote ever? So presumably, 4-3 in favor of someone. That pretty much eliminates Cirie.

weykool
ID: 394849
Fri, May 12, 2006, 14:13

Season 1 was 4-3....how do you get any closer than that?

J
Leader
ID: 10171012
Fri, May 12, 2006, 15:20

I thought the said closest challenge ever?

Whatever, they never say anything meaningful in those "teases".

The to be continued thing is such a croc, who cares???????????

Go Cirie!!!!

J
ID: 13443921
Sun, May 14, 2006, 20:21

so how many people forgot the finale was on tonight???

just missed the first 20 minutes!

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Sun, May 14, 2006, 21:16

Aras sitting pretty right now. Danielle only wins if Aras completely screws up.

WiddleAvi
ID: 3022278
Sun, May 14, 2006, 21:56

How stupid is Danielle? Pick a number between 1 and a Mill. and Aras picks 4. Am I the only one who thought ok pick 5?

C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sun, May 14, 2006, 23:09

I thought, "Screw you, Shane. 999,996."

Danielle had no chance either way. She knew both Aras and Terry would take her because they would never take each other. She would have been *slightly* better off and just a little bit of an underdog if she had been the one "carried" into the final two. Then maybe it would have felt a little more dramatic.

She was guaranteed to lose the million to Aras, though.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 15372923
Sun, May 14, 2006, 23:43

10 wasn't too bad a pick...4 was the idiotic pick...between 1 and a million and you choose 4??? The only way 4 is the right answer is if she picked 3 before him.

J
ID: 13443921
Mon, May 15, 2006, 00:09

I really don't think it mattered what number anyone picked, he was voting for Danielle.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 15426514
Mon, May 15, 2006, 10:52

I think he actually did go with the closest to the number...he put the number on his vote...

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 15, 2006, 11:15

Neither one of them must have grown up with the price is right, or understanded the closest wins concept.

It would have been funny if after Aras said 4, Danielle should have said 4 too and forced Shane into picking one of them. That is since she had no chance of getting 4 votes anyway.

I believe in season 1, when the vote was also 4-3, Hatch got the deciding vote because one of the bitter jurors also did the 'pick a number I could care less' thing.

katietx
ID: 10415920
Mon, May 15, 2006, 12:15

If Danielle had a brain, she'd hurt herself. Oh, wait, she did. ;-)

I'm wondering what the time lapse is between the final vote and the show in NY? Aras certainly looked as though he gained quite a bit of weight.

Guess the so-call spoiler in the now deleted #48 was wrong, wrong, wrong.

beastiemiked
ID: 18301915
Mon, May 15, 2006, 12:26

I'm sure it was leaked that Danielle made the finals and everyone started betting on her hoping she'd win since theoretically she'd have a 50/50 shot.

I saw where Jeff made a comment that Danielle was one of the worst survivor players ever. I'd have to agree. How does she not throw the final immunity challenge and let Terry or Aras take her to the finals?

Looking back I really wish Cirie would've won the fire challenge. That would have set up a much more fitting final of Aras and Terry

weykool
ID: 394849
Mon, May 15, 2006, 12:45

First season was indeed decided by who was closest to a number between 1 and 10.
And it Hatch used the "price is right strategy".
I always shake my head about Richard Hatch going on about his masterful strategy when he won by "pick a numberbetween 1 and 10".

Survivor reminds me of the coin flipping game between 3 people.
Odd man wins both quarters.
If one person flips head and the other flips tails...you lose no matter what you flip.
No matter who Daniell picked she was going to finish #2.
If she doesnt "backstab" her tribemates they vote her out and she doesnt even win the 100K.
She played a great game and made the best decisions that were presented to her.

It seems to me the final immunity challenge was skewed to the lightest person.
Her platform was still above water while Terry and Aras were below water when the were standing.
They should have adjusted the thickness to accommodate the difference in weight...just like they did in the "support your weight" challenge.

Seems like Terry missed his chance to make the point that....we made a promise and I wouldnt change my mind based on who I can win the money with.
I know he said something to that effect.....but he should have been a little more clear/forceful...she was still thinking about her "choice" when he made the statement and it didnt sink in enough.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 15, 2006, 14:10

[69] I'm wondering what the time lapse is between the final vote and the show in NY?

My understanding is that this one wrapped filming the first week of December.

Based on what I have seen from the contestant applications (No, I have not applied) -
The fall 'season' shows are filmed usually from the last week in June through the first week of August with the finale airing in mid-December, and the spring 'season' shows are filmed beginning the first week of November through mid-December with the finale airing mid May.

Supposedly when the finale aired for Guatamala last December, Probst was only back in the US from the Panama tapings, within 48 hours of the live episode.

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, May 15, 2006, 15:07

Did they show a preview of the next installment?

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 15, 2006, 16:09

The season 13 setting is the Cook Islands. The promo said an 'exile island' will again come into play.

Mat Cauthon
ID: 19424168
Tue, May 16, 2006, 14:49

Re: #69, et al,

Wikipedia has this to say about when the episode was taped:

"Survivor: Panama - Exile Island premiered on 2 February 2006. Filming started on 31 October 2005 in the Pearl Islands of Panama, marking the third time this location has been used for Survivor. Bruce Kanegai became the second person to leave in the history of the show due to a medical emergency . The season concluded with Aras Baskauskas defeating Danielle DiLorenzo by a vote of 5-2."

And as for the final immunity challenge--they always, always skew in ways so that the person you think least likely to win has a better shot. More often than not (and I'm not trying to be sexist here), the person who is made out to look like the "underdog" in the final challenges is a woman. But most of the final immunity challenges they design are better for women. For instance, women have an advantage in endurance challenges where it's a hold-your-own-weight challenge, or where they have to stand on something for the longest amount of time. In our latest immunity challenge, Danielle had a huge advantage because of her relatively slight weight, since her lily pad remained out of the water and easier to balance.

J
Leader
ID: 10171012
Tue, May 16, 2006, 15:14

maybe, but her silicon made it tougher on her to stay upright! =)

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