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| Posted by: swami
- [7659420] Fri, Aug 04, 2006, 19:20
This should be fun. Here's hand #1. Let's focus on hailsaliaise here. I'll post the results after a few guesses.
PokerStars Game #5798149708: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2006/08/04 - 19:14:13 (ET)
Table 'Thisbe' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DaSwam ($5.48 in chips)
Seat 2: jefmeister ($8.05 in chips)
Seat 4: rizzdaddy ($0.74 in chips)
Seat 5: popandbrop ($8.57 in chips)
Seat 6: hailsaliaise ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 7: drunksailor1 ($5.83 in chips)
Seat 8: Hu1v6Tru01v6 ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 9: thePoker_CEO ($4.30 in chips)
hailsaliaise: posts small blind $0.02
drunksailor1: posts big blind $0.05
ChaosMaster2: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaSwam [As Ah]
Hu1v6Tru01v6: folds
thePoker_CEO: folds
DaSwam: raises $0.15 to $0.20
jefmeister: folds
rizzdaddy: raises $0.54 to $0.74 and is all-in
popandbrop: folds
hailsaliaise: calls $0.72
drunksailor1: calls $0.69
DaSwam: raises $4.74 to $5.48 and is all-in
hailsaliaise: raises $0.02 to $5.50 and is all-in
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| | | 1 | DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 11:30
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I'll go with a middle pair. Now that it's maybe about to be heads up, clearly he has an advantage over your boring AK. (Pushers ALWAYS have AK, because that's how they try to drive out those middle pairs, representing aces or something. But he's on to your game hahaha!)
For posterity, I'll call it 88.
That, or 65o. Hey, they're two live cards against your AK (see above).
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| | | 2 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 13:37
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Considering the title of the thread, he obviously didn'y have anything to justify a call/all-in or you wouldn't have posted it. I'll guess he played what he will call his "lucky/favorite hand" of say.... J4o. I'll be he flops 2-pair and thinks he made a good play?
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| | | 3 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 14:10
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2-7os
Flops a boat and continues to play that way.
Cliff
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| | | 4 | Donkey Hunter
ID: 145142721
Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 14:54
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Hey J4 is *MY* favorite hand. Spare tire.
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| | | 5 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 22:51
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I'll guess that he made a stubborn call/raise with J10.
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| | | 6 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Sun, Aug 06, 2006, 02:28
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He's holding a 7 of diamonds and a "rules of draw poker" card.
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| | | 7 | swami
ID: 7659420
Sun, Aug 06, 2006, 10:38
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Results time:
*** FLOP *** [8h 2d Kd]
*** TURN *** [8h 2d Kd] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [8h 2d Kd 5h] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hailsaliaise: shows [Kc Qd] (a pair of Kings)
DaSwam: shows [As Ah] (a pair of Aces)
DaSwam collected $8.98 from side pot
rizzdaddy: mucks hand [9c Ks]
rizzdaddy is sitting out
DaSwam collected $2.86 from main pot
Feel free to add your hands in here as they come.
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| | | 8 | Micheal
ID: 47635112
Sun, Aug 06, 2006, 12:19
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rizzdaddy must've thought it was a tournament instead of cash game...
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| | | 9 | DWetzel
ID: 563201922
Sun, Aug 06, 2006, 21:37
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Ooh, my turn:
PokerStars Game #5824026350: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/08/06 - 21:33:16 (ET)
Table 'Icarus IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Uwilln0 ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 3: DWetzel ($58.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Crazyhug ($37.50 in chips)
Seat 5: GT0ne ($52 in chips)
Uwilln0: posts small blind $0.50
DWetzel: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DWetzel [Qc 5c Qd 3s]
Crazyhug: calls $1
GT0ne: folds
Uwilln0: folds
DWetzel: checks
*** FLOP *** [Td 2h Ac]
DWetzel: checks
Crazyhug: checks
*** TURN *** [Td 2h Ac] [Tc]
f.8@1/125 has returned
DWetzel: bets $2
Crazyhug: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Td 2h Ac Tc] [Kh]
DWetzel: checks
Crazyhug: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DWetzel: shows [Qc 5c Qd 3s] (HI: two pair, Queens and Tens)
Crazyhug: mucks hand
DWetzel collected $6.25 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6.50 | Rake $0.25
Board [Td 2h Ac Tc Kh]
Seat 2: Uwilln0 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: DWetzel (big blind) showed [Qc 5c Qd 3s] and won ($6.25) with HI: two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 4: Crazyhug mucked [? ? ? ?]
Seat 5: GT0ne (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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| | | 10 | swami
ID: 75542011
Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 08:38
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Well some kind of logic would say he held some sort of busted straight/flush draw; however, this must be pretty bad.
I'll guess he was holding 6789 and couldn't believe he wasn't awarded the $$ with the T on board making his straight.
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| | | 11 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 96212713
Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 09:07
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Would guess he had a low draw and missed...
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| | | 12 | wolfer
ID: 575582311
Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 09:47
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My guess is that he doesn't play a lot of Omaha and had the other 3 3's.
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| | | 13 | DWetzel
ID: 563201922
Mon, Aug 07, 2006, 21:21
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The answer is...
Seat 4: Crazyhug mucked [5h 8c 9c 6d]
I guess he did pick up fourth nut flush draw on a paired board... and who wouldn't want to play that?
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| | | 14 | swami
ID: 75542011
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 07:14
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Damn! I was one card off. Does that make me a donkey? (please don't answer that one)
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| | | 15 | DWetzel at library
ID: 5876812
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 13:07
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To beat the donkey, you have to live like the donkey, think like the donkey...
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| | | 16 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 13:13
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LOL at #10 with 6789 for the straight....
I've never played Omaha other than goofing around with play money. I have the "official" WSOP video game and entered an Omaha Hi-Lo "event". I didn't realize to qualify for Lo it has to be 5 cards under 8 - I'd call with A2 thinking I had the nut low and wasn't awarded half - lmao.
Actually the video game is a nice way to goof off in games I've never played.
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| | | 17 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 13:26
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I love the WSOP video game, just dont liek omaha because it takes so long, you cant skip the hands you arent playing like you can in holdem.
I finished 2nd in the main event 1 time, that is my best finish.
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| | | 18 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Tue, Aug 08, 2006, 13:51
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Agreed on the WSOP video game and the speed of Omaha. Amazing how hooked you get to skipping through the hands. But on the flip side the computer players play such BS half the time you have to pay SOME attention to what they are playing so you can take their chips.
My 12 year old son likes to cheat - going all-in, pausing it just as the river card gets exposed and exiting out if he doesn't hit his hand. I laugh and rip on him - "There's no pause button on the tables dude - where's the skill in THAT?". He shoots back "But I have a $12 million bankroll - what do YOU have?" hahahaha
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| | | 19 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 10:50
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I have a live poker "guess what the donkey had"
$3/$5 ($150 max bet) NL
9 seats. Guy to my right had called off about $1K over 2 hours i've been at the table. He has been live stradling each round and always raising with any two cards. He's loose-aggressive/calling station.
I am at $400 +/- after starting w/ $300 and the guy to my right had about $400 too. I do have him slightly covered. My image is medium. I have played a variety of starting hands, been caught with a small bluff and have showed the nerve to push chips in the pot.
I decide to see what will happen if I stradle HIS Big Blind, so I put out the $10.00.
I get dealt 10-10 and get 3 callers to my left. SB folds and the donkey raises me to 40. Of course, I get final option so I decide to take his $40 and the entire $80 pot by raising $100 on top. The otehr 3 guys fold, but donkey calls.
Flop is 2-3-7 rainbow. donkey bets $50 (into a $280 pot), so I raise +$150. My read is i'm sure he has no pair and no part of the flop (a 7 is possible though in my mond). At least not enough to beat 10-10. He only has $200 left, so he pushes the rest in and I immediately call. It's about an $800 pot.
Normally, players flip for the showdown, but he does not. Turn is 8 (blank) and river is Ace.
This might be an easy one..... but guess what donkey called me down with?
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| | | 20 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 10:58
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ace-six non suited
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| | | 21 | Sludge
ID: 45541422
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 11:04
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72o
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| | | 22 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 916288962
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 11:21
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45
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| | | 23 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 12:29
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A8
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| | | 24 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 14:27
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83
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| | | 25 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 14:34
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A9o
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| | | 26 | weykool
ID: 41750315
Sun, Sep 17, 2006, 18:01
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A2o
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| | | 27 | Aman
ID: 427312414
Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 08:48
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4/5
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| | | 28 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 09:18
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A4
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| | | 29 | DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 10:35
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Top pair top kicker (A7) of course! TPTK = the nuts!
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| | | 30 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 18:27
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I'm sure post #25 is correct I was there to witness it. :)
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| | | 31 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Mon, Sep 18, 2006, 18:45
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lol - I was gonna point that out, but it was funny that the guesses kept coming!
Had my share of donkey plays at my limit game this weekend.....but what else are you going to do? Most of the time those plays are what build YOUR stack at their cost.....but even a blind donkey catches a card once in a while.
Still hurts though. An $800 pot with no pair no draw with a weak ace? Ughhhhhhhhh
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| | | 32 | ChicagoTRS
Leader
ID: 566152116
Tue, Sep 19, 2006, 17:45
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yep they have to hit once in awhile...it is what encourages them to keep doing it...he "felt the card was coming"...lol...just sucks when you are on the receiving end of a beat.
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| | | 33 | swami
ID: 397233121
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 20:33
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The big boys get no respect. I had this running in the background while I was playing. What do you think Hachem's opponent had here. The comment from biggies05 says it all.
PokerStars Game #6407469116: Tournament #40000010, $1000+$50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (150/300) - 2006/09/24 - 20:01:59 (ET)
Table '40000010 34' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: JoeHachem (14375 in chips)
Seat 2: biggies05 (4849 in chips)
Seat 3: \clubbo/ (8680 in chips)
Seat 4: DannyOhBoy (11445 in chips)
Seat 5: WEL30 (13135 in chips)
Seat 6: PaNdaY (42914 in chips)
Seat 7: goleafsgoeh (18065 in chips)
Seat 8: wyldpytch (21725 in chips)
Seat 9: NoLuv420 (7960 in chips)
JoeHachem: posts the ante 25
biggies05: posts the ante 25
\clubbo/: posts the ante 25
DannyOhBoy: posts the ante 25
WEL30: posts the ante 25
PaNdaY: posts the ante 25
goleafsgoeh: posts the ante 25
wyldpytch: posts the ante 25
NoLuv420: posts the ante 25
JoeHachem: posts small blind 150
biggies05: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
\clubbo/: calls 300
DannyOhBoy: folds
WEL30: calls 300
PaNdaY: folds
goleafsgoeh: folds
wyldpytch: folds
NoLuv420: folds
JoeHachem: raises 2100 to 2400
biggies05: folds
\clubbo/: folds
WEL30: calls 2100
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4h 9c]
JoeHachem: bets 11950 and is all-in
WEL30: calls 10710 and is all-in
biggies05 said, "omg"
*** TURN *** [Qd 4h 9c] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 4h 9c 2s] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
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| | | 34 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 20:50
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J8o
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| | | 35 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 21:05
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Q4o
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| | | 36 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 22:48
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2-2 (non suited)
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| | | 37 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 22:54
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Q4o sounds about right.
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| | | 38 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 23:14
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Unless the guy is a total donk, he had to have something to call 10,000 in chips with. I assume he made a bad call preflop, hence the 'omg', but once the flop hit he obviously had something solid, asuming no donkeyness.
Other possibilities, without knowing Hachem's cards could be 10Jo, A9o, 49o...
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| | | 39 | Donkey Hunter
Sustainer
ID: 916288962
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 23:40
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Just read this hand on 2+2. I would bet that somene on here can guess what WEL30 had long before they can guess what Hachem had.
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| | | 40 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sun, Sep 24, 2006, 23:56
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I just went and read it to. I don't get why the pros feel the need to question the other player when the pro is bluffing.
I would have asked him back: "r u serious?".
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| | | 41 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 02:57
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Just saw it too. While I agree partially TB, we also know it was a horrible call. He has to know he's not ahead, and even if you assume you have two overcards with your draw, its still a horrible call. That, I think, is what Hachem was annoyed with.
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| | | 42 | swami
ID: 75542011
Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:05
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That's true DH. What do you guys think Hachem had?
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| | | 43 | Sludge
ID: 45541422
Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:23
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I don't get why the pros feel the need to question the other player when the pro is bluffing.
Bluffing? You sure you read the right one?
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| | | 44 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:33
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I shouldn't have said bluffing and I don't play real cash poker, but is a 96o really a 8x blind raise and then having middle pair on the flop worth an all-in? I do think it was a crazy call by WEL30, but I also think going all-in with a pair of nines is pretty stupid too.
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| | | 45 | Sludge
ID: 45541422
Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 09:58
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The only ones in the pot were two out-of-position limpers. I see nothing at all wrong with his raise, even from 1st position. He smelled weakness, and he pounced. The only thing I think Hachem has to worry about is Q4, Q9, AQ... maybe a middle pair. If the guy was trying to limp with a really big hand, he's trying to get a pre-flop raise from his early position, and he would have pushed Hachem all-in before the flop. (At least that's the standard play.) If the guy is playing AQ or 44... well, that's where the gambling part of poker comes in. QX suited, and the guy should be folding to the all-in.
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| | | 46 | swami
ID: 75542011
Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 10:28
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Here are the results:
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JoeHachem: shows [9h 6c] (a pair of Nines)
WEL30: shows [Jh Kc] (a straight, Nine to King)
WEL30 collected 27045 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 27045 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 4h 9c 2s Tc]
Seat 1: JoeHachem (small blind) showed [9h 6c] and
lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: biggies05 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: \clubbo/ folded before Flop
Seat 4: DannyOhBoy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: WEL30 showed [Jh Kc] and won (27045) with a
straight, Nine to King
Seat 6: PaNdaY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: goleafsgoeh folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: wyldpytch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: NoLuv420 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Obviously Hachem was stealing preflop. While his shove is questionable, he had the best hand. If WEL30 was gonna play the hand, the re-steal was the correct move. While the push on the flop was a high risk move, WEL30 shouldn't have called.
Hachem built his stack back up to over 50K before he was caught donking off his chips, errr, bluffing. I don't have the history, but he tried to steal with 45s. He was re-raised by one of the blinds who put in around half of his stack. Joe pushed all-in and the guy called with AQo. The table was shocked he could call that w/AQo.
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| | | 47 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Mon, Sep 25, 2006, 18:55
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Thanks for the explanation in #45, Sludge. I am still learning the game so his play really made no sense to me. I should have paid more attention to the other guy limping in too.
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| | | 48 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 01:30
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Would you make this call? This a donkey thing or such, just a tough call for me.
Villian [SFGHJKL] is loose, agressive. We have a history, mostly he sucked out $200 on me 2 days ago when I flopped str8 and he called me Q high weak kicker (1 pair) and went runner runner to boat me.... so I ma emotional about beating him. I want my cash back
Stage #466994602: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2006-10-12 01:06:59 (ET)
Table: HIALEAH (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - SFGHJKL ($217.80 in chips)
Seat 3 - SAVAGEMETHOD ($96.15 in chips)
Seat 4 - WUMPO ($52 in chips)
Seat 5 - SKANKBOY1 ($256.75 in chips)
Seat 6 - HANSEN88 ($177.80 in chips)
Seat 8 - IMAKEYAHUMP ($168.55 in chips)
SAVAGEMETHOD - Posts small blind $0.50
WUMPO - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SKANKBOY1 [Qh Kh]
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $1
HANSEN88 - Folds
IMAKEYAHUMP - Calls $1
SFGHJKL - Calls $1
SAVAGEMETHOD - Folds
WUMPO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 3h Jc]
WUMPO - Checks
SKANKBOY1 - Bets $2
IMAKEYAHUMP - Folds
SFGHJKL - Raises $7 to $7
WUMPO - Folds
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $5
*** TURN *** [Kc 3h Jc] [5h]
SKANKBOY1 - Checks
SFGHJKL - Bets $21
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $21
*** RIVER *** [Kc 3h Jc 5h] [Qs]
SKANKBOY1 - Bets $21
SFGHJKL - All-In(Raise) $188.80 to $188.80
SKANKBOY1 - ????????????????????????????
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| | | 49 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 01:32
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... first line should read this is NOT a donkey question....
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| | | 51 | KM
ID: 268252422
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 02:39
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Is he a total maniac? I can't lay down top 2-pair vs a maniac when turn and river don't complete probable draws.
Only 7 hands beat you (KK,QQ,JJ,33,55,A/10,10/9)
On the button you expect a raise for any of the first three. A/10 and 10/9 wouldn't be betting like that with a gut shot UNLESS it's A/10 or 10/9 clubs, which is unreadable disaster for you here. 33 and 55 are distinct possibilities.
Since you've shown some weakness here, and the turn nor river complete any draws he may have you on, a LAG would very often take this opportunity to bully you out if he missed his own draw. I think you have to chalk A/10 or 10/9 clubs up to the poker gods hating you. So, he's realistically either got 33,55,Kx, or pure junk. I call LAGs here usually, and fold to TAGs... the kind who just wait for sets, push hard from the start with 10/10-AA, or don't play.
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| | | 52 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 08:56
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i think he has K J
2 pair...
and he's willing to push it... as would I. Unfortunately, I think he's like me and would go all in with 2 pair.
K J definitely or he missed his draw. possibly AA slowplaying.
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| | | 53 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 10:01
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Pretty good reds by both of you.
I figured one of three scenarios.
1. Missed a draw, possible with a hand such as AhJh might match the betting pattern. I had seen him chase a few flushes.
Kx might match the betting pattern. K-rag most likley as he would have pre-flopped raised with hand like AK.
And, unfortunately, 33 or 55 would certainly fit. I discounted JJ as this guy would have reaised pre-flop with than hand.
Anyway, I called as i felt I had beat more of his porbable hands than less. He had K3 for a flopped 2 pair and went ballistic when I hit the Q on the river! Another player at the table even observed that "those two must have a history" becuase his level of play was different when he's heads up against me. A few minutes later and I see him him sitting at all my tables and I swear he is entering EVERY pot I was in. So, this is a stalker post, not a donkey post. Anyway, it was late and I had to get to sleep, but he plays every night, so i'm looking forward to 'tilting' him tonight.
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| | | 54 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 10:30
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seems like an easy guy to bust.. just make sure you have at least 2 pair or better by the turn.
As AA KK QQ, any over pair probably won't win it against him. Unless you slow play them with a medium sized bet and he gets top pair.
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| | | 55 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 11:54
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Check out this awesome call.
First hand at heads up:
1500 chips a piece…
blinds are 15/30. I bet 120 with Ac 2d
he raises to 300. I call
flop
9c 4d 2c
I bet 100 he raises to 300. I call
Turn: 4h
9c 4d 2c 4h
I check he bets all in.
I call.
Last card is Jh
9c 4d 3c 4h Jh
he turns over K Q
I turn over A 2
For 20 dollars.
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| | | 56 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 11:54
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Sounds like he was thinking emotionally, as might you have been rfs. If you think you can keep your head vs. him, it doesn't get much better then this. He'll enter almost every pot you raise, meaning you'll have the best of it everytime. Sure he'll suck out occasionally, but give him opps to bluff at your monsters and you can make a ton here.
I had a couple guys like that myself. I stacked a guy who had AA with K6s (flopped a boat) and three hands later my 47os turned straight stacked his KK. He priced me in with just a min raise preflop both times, and now whenever he sees me he writes "I'm getting it back tonight Niner, you &#%#$(#&$!!!!" Great stuff. :)
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| | | 57 | KM
ID: 419411215
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 17:44
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I presume he didn't raise pre-flop against your K6 and 47? If so, he deserves to get stacked off. But even against maniacs, it's not too EV+ pay 5 BBs to see a flop when you have rags.
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| | | 58 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 10:35
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rdmax had been playing loose/aggressive so I decided to slow play my Rockets.
$55 + $2.50 Heads Up Sit & Go (7620100), Table 1 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:28:29 ET - 2006/10/19
Seat 1: rdmax (1,190)
Seat 2: weykool (1,810)
rdmax posts the small blind of 25
weykool posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to weykool [As Ad]
rdmax raises to 100
weykool calls 50
*** FLOP *** [8c 6s Ks]
weykool checks
rdmax bets 1,090, and is all in
weykool calls 1,090
*** TURN *** [8c 6s Ks] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [8c 6s Ks Qc] [5c]
Board: [8c 6s Ks Qc 5c]
Seat 2: weykool (big blind) showed [As Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
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| | | 59 | Species
ID: 5259811
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 11:40
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A6 of clubs
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| | | 60 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 12:49
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4 7 or 9 7 both offsuit..
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| | | 61 | tommyd
ID: 2832309
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:18
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I likee the 4/7 off but 6 / 5 off would not surprise me either.
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| | | 62 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:44
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Flopped 2nd pair, with a decent kicker, so, he has an 8. He went all-in thinking you had nothing, but even if did call, he figured he had some outs. Turn gave him a big advantage as he hit his 2nd pair with the Q. So, he obviously had Q 8 in the hole.
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| | | 63 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:49
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Sorry to be misleading guys....but you are all thinking donkey with a little "d".
You need to be thinking Donkey with a big "D"
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| | | 64 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:50
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this is tourney he went with straigth draw... and didn't mind losing.
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| | | 65 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:53
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definitely not all in on middle pair... he went all in on the straight draw or flush draw.. easy non call by weykool
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| | | 66 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:53
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55!?
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| | | 67 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 13:58
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2/3 clubs
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| | | 68 | wolfer
ID: 575582311
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:01
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Someone had to say this. The infamous 2c 7c.
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| | | 69 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:06
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All in on 5-5 I would not consider him a Donkey considering that I showed weakness.
In that case I would be the Donkey for letting him catch his card.
2-3 of clubs would be bad, but not quite it.
Hint: he didnt win with a flush.
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| | | 70 | Deadeye
ID: 45929912
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:07
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q 5 is all it can be then
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| | | 71 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:09
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Hmm, well if he's not a donkey for pushing with a pair, that means he had to make a str8 or 2 pair on turn/river. 4/7 and 9/7 were rejected. So the only hand left is:
Q5
I'd like to think it was Q5 spades, but I bet it wasn't.
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| | | 72 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:11
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Good guess:
Q-5os
Needless to say I was on tilt and ended up losing the match when I went all in with 4-4 and he called with Q-8os and hit his queen.
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| | | 73 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:15
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That's rough. My HUD stats display every losing hand on the screen, and only twice have I been pushed all in with a hand that had to hit two pair on turn/river. Both times it happened just like that, for a combined $700.
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| | | 74 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:22
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It sux when a guy is pushing and raising on every hand and you know he has nothing most of the time and you are just waiting to sucker him into making a stupid play and he ends up sucking out like that.
And dont try to console me with "thats poker"....this was just sheer stupidity being rewarded.
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| | | 75 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:23
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Does his play really constitute a "donkey" play? My view of a donkey is someone who makes bad calls, and this guy didn't do that. He pushed all in as a scare tactic, hoping you had nothing. Unfortunately for him (or fortunately after the river), you had something.
I know I have put a bunch of money in the pot (seldom all in, though) when I am pretty sure I am behind because my opponent shows weakness. Sometimes I get caught with my pants around my ankles, but more often than not, I pick up the pot.
Now, if you pushed all in and he calls, that would be donkeyriffic.
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| | | 76 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:30
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I think it qualifies because he was raising practically every hand.
His entire play was that of a Donkey.
I understand your point we have all made aggressive plays like that and been handed our walking papers.
When you do it almost every hand...then you are a Donkey.
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| | | 77 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:35
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If he called an all-in, that is beyond donkey, that's practically not knowing the rules of the game. Donkey doesn't mean just bad calls, or not drawing with odds, a donkey is just one who makes bad plays, -EV plays.
He is risking his entire chipstack of 1,000, for a 200 pot, with NO outs (practically, besides his miracle). It's not the worst play I've ever seen, but betting 1x or 1.5x the pot here serves the bluff purpose, and alows him to fold if dominated. Pushing all-in screams bluff overbet, probably increasing the chance OP calls, while simulataneously risking more than he needs to with a virtually outless bluff. Maybe a TAG can do this and get away with it, but a maniac is just being a donkey here.
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| | | 78 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 14:47
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KM, he doesn't know he has no outs, though. Considering the donk raised pre-flop, maybe he was just posturing. Have you ever tried to play a hand like you had something else? I have...I look down at 75 and tell myself I have AK and play it accordingly. It's pretty neat the cards you can make someone believe you have.
I agree, though, the all-in play screams bluff, but would you still call it if you didn't have 99 or better? Lots of bad players don't understand their own table image, so, because weykool picked up on this guy , doesn't mean this guy knew he was setting himself up.
But, yeah, donkey should of bet 1x the pot, and when weykool calls, start thinking. But then the Q would come on the turn, and it would of been too late, as I am sure donk calls anything weykool does and still sucks out 2 pair.
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| | | 79 | KM
ID: 319311512
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 15:00
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Yeah I understand he was posturing. My point is that his bluff was still virtually outless, and he had to know it. If you hold Q5o with a K 8 6 board, bluff, and are called... really the best you are hoping for is that you were called a pair smaller than Kings, and that you could spike a Q.
7/9, 7/5, spades are all semi-bluffs where I could push here and know, for certain, than I am not essentially drawing dead. Q/5o... well first I have to hope I was called with a pair smaller than Ks, and then I only have three queens to spike. I still consider this a virtually outless bluff, as I bet he did too.
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| | | 80 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 15:19
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I get what you are saying. He either wins 150 or loses it all, so, it's non-sensical for him to push all in. He didn't want to be called, so, if he didn't, he shouldn't of risked so much.
But, even if he beat me, he is still the guy I would love to play with (again - in weykool's instance).
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| | | 81 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Oct 19, 2006, 16:39
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#78, I doubt weykool just calls a pot-sized bet on the flop. A sizeable raise would have left the donk with no choice but to fold. Granted, he is a donk and just might move over the top, but if weykool is smart and makes his 200$ bet 700$ to go, even a donk knows a 300$ raise all-in isn't going to do anything...
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| | | 82 | swami
ID: 397233121
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:27
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I had to post this one. Some serious donkey play here. This guy had been making plays back at me every time I entered. I picked the wrong time to make the move, but I won the hand. What did he have here?
PokerStars Game #6988356733: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/11/11 - 22:21:51 (ET)
Table 'Musca' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: rocky923 ($26.30 in chips)
Seat 4: DaSwam ($21.65 in chips)
Seat 6: AAAAfouraces ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Ace-Josh ($20.20 in chips)
Seat 8: niveknehc ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 9: kja04 ($15.60 in chips)
niveknehc: posts small blind $0.10
kja04: posts big blind $0.25
amditbwy: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaSwam [Kd Qs]
Shannen joins the table at seat #3
rocky923: folds
DaSwam: raises $0.75 to $1
Shannen is sitting out
AAAAfouraces: folds
Ace-Josh: calls $1
niveknehc: folds
kja04: folds
*** FLOP *** [4s 6h 4c]
DaSwam: bets $1
Ace-Josh: raises $1.50 to $2.50
DaSwam: raises $4.25 to $6.75
Ace-Josh: calls $4.25
*** TURN *** [4s 6h 4c] [8d]
DaSwam: bets $13.90 and is all-in
Ace-Josh: calls $12.45 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4s 6h 4c 8d] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DaSwam: shows [Kd Qs] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
Ace-Josh: mucks hand
DaSwam collected $38.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $40.75 | Rake $2
Board [4s 6h 4c 8d Kc]
Seat 4: DaSwam showed [Kd Qs] and won ($38.75) with two pair, Kings and Fours
Seat 7: Ace-Josh (button) mucked ???
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| | | 83 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:36
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I will take 8-6os for $200 Alex
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| | | 84 | rockafellerskank
ID: 49136120
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:51
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3c-6c
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| | | 85 | DE
ID: 29161022
Sat, Nov 11, 2006, 22:56
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qq
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| | | 86 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 06:47
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A donkey would not have QQ.
I think I change my vote to 6-2os.
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| | | 87 | swami
ID: 397233121
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 09:09
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You guys are giving him too much credit. This was some serious donkey stuff.
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| | | 88 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 11:22
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7-2os
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| | | 89 | swami
ID: 397233121
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 11:59
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T9c. I guess he had an inside straight draw for his entire stack, and both his cards were still live when he made the call. I acutally apologized in the chat once the K fell thinking he made a good read when I sucked out. I guess my push was the right move as I was ahead.
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| | | 90 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 12:31
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I always push all in with 10 high....its the nuts.
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| | | 91 | Sludge
ID: 45541422
Sun, Nov 12, 2006, 12:54
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My wife pushed all in in a tourney with KK in a tourney and got called by a guy who barely had more chips than her. He turns over 72 and then starts complaining about how 72 never wins for him after she doubles up.
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| | | 92 | DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Mon, Nov 13, 2006, 10:52
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J7o.
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| | | 93 | rockafellerskank
ID: 51281619
Tue, May 15, 2007, 23:27
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Been a while since someone posted here. James& is a (8.5,3) but the first time I played with him. Plays 100% (really) of hands, then becomes a calling station. He sucked out 2x already on me for $50 to $100 all-ins. he was always a short stack for obvious reasons.
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Stage #657937933: Holdem No Limit $2 - 2007-05-15 23:08:51 (ET)
Table: MALAWI HWY (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - JAMES7 ($135.75 in chips)
Seat 5 - SKANKBOY1 ($369.90 in chips)
Seat 1 - STANZACAMRY ($204.06 in chips)
SKANKBOY1 - Posts small blind $1
STANZACAMRY - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SKANKBOY1 [Ac As]
JAMES7 - Raises $6 to $6
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $5
STANZACAMRY - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 7h 5s]
SKANKBOY1 - Checks
JAMES7 - Bets $14
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $14
*** TURN *** [2c 7h 5s] [10d]
SKANKBOY1 - Checks
JAMES7 - Bets $34
SKANKBOY1 - Raises $82 to $82
JAMES7 - Calls $48
*** RIVER *** [2c 7h 5s 10d] [4c]
SKANKBOY1 - Bets $34
JAMES7 - All-In $33.75
SKANKBOY1 - returned ($0.25) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SKANKBOY1 - Shows [Ac As] (One pair, aces)
JAMES7 - Shows [??,??]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($273.50) | Rake ($2)
Board [2c 7h 5s 10d 4c]
Seat 1: STANZACAMRY (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: JAMES7 (dealer)
Seat 5: SKANKBOY1 (small blind)
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Guess what the donkey had??
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| | | 94 | xpdurmind
ID: 48312323
Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:13
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10 4 unsuited
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| | | 95 | rockafellerskank
ID: 450122417
Wed, May 16, 2007, 13:30
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You're giving him too much credit.
7-4off
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| | | 96 | swami
ID: 75542011
Wed, May 16, 2007, 15:03
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But he had top pair on the flop, and top pair is ALWAYS the nuts!!
Thanks for reviving this. I'll have to keep my eye out for some new ones.
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| | | 97 | TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, May 16, 2007, 19:55
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I don't know what donkey means and I am no where as experienced as you guys, but you slow-played aces. He had $54 in the pot when you made him add another $48 to call your check-raise. At this point maybe he thinks you have A-10. Sucks to call at this point, but with almost half his stack in he probably felt commited.
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| | | 98 | swami
ID: 534201620
Thu, May 17, 2007, 23:08
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Didn't get to see their hands, but the river folds had me crying I was laughing so hard.
PokerStars Game #9970482366: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/17 - 23:02:06 (ET)
Table 'Rarahu' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: nighthawk955 ($9.60 in chips)
Seat 2: DaSwam ($107.50 in chips)
Seat 3: pappi41 ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 4: xaponet ($50.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Bunpy ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: JacksmyName ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 7: ljsoraya21 ($38.95 in chips)
Seat 8: vluff ($53.80 in chips)
Seat 9: bjar-44 ($58.20 in chips)
nighthawk955: posts small blind $0.25
DaSwam: posts big blind $0.50
Bunpy: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaSwam [Qs 7s]
pappi41: raises $0.50 to $1
xaponet: folds
Bunpy: folds
JacksmyName: calls $1
ljsoraya21: calls $1
vluff is disconnected
vluff has timed out while disconnected
vluff: folds
vluff is sitting out
bjar-44: folds
nighthawk955: calls $0.75
DaSwam: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Js 8c 2c]
nighthawk955: checks
DaSwam: checks
pappi41: bets $2.50
JacksmyName: calls $2.50
ljsoraya21: folds
nighthawk955: calls $2.50
DaSwam: folds
*** TURN *** [Js 8c 2c] [3s]
nighthawk955: checks
pappi41: bets $2.50
vluff is connected
JacksmyName: calls $2.50
nighthawk955: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [Js 8c 2c 3s] [7d]
nighthawk955: checks
pappi41: bets $2.50
vluff has returned
JacksmyName: folds
nighthawk955: folds
pappi41 collected $19.55 from pot
pappi41: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.50 | Rake $0.95
Board [Js 8c 2c 3s 7d]
Seat 1: nighthawk955 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: DaSwam (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: pappi41 collected ($19.55)
Seat 4: xaponet folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Bunpy folded before Flop
Seat 6: JacksmyName folded on the River
Seat 7: ljsoraya21 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: vluff folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bjar-44 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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| | | 99 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, May 18, 2007, 11:54
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missed club draws likely....not horrible for the low bets
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| | | 100 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 21:46
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I'm trying to teach the girl to play poker. We're playing $.10/$.20 so....
PokerStars Game #17231143779: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/05/05 - 21:40:07 (ET)
Table 'Mayall' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: PiS.Juliam ($61.10 in chips)
Seat 2: zeller72 ($47.65 in chips)
Seat 3: gatorback7 ($38.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Poker92118 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 5: skankboy ($31.65 in chips)
Seat 6: TMflopwell ($103.10 in chips)
Poker92118: posts small blind $0.25
skankboy: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skankboy [8d 3c]
TMflopwell: folds
PiS.Juliam: folds
zeller72: folds
gatorback7: calls $0.50
Poker92118: calls $0.25
skankboy: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Tc Kc]
Poker92118: checks
skankboy: checks
gatorback7: bets $0.50
Poker92118: folds
skankboy: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [4c Tc Kc] [9c]
skankboy: checks
gatorback7: bets $1.50
skankboy: raises $2.50 to $4
gatorback7: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [4c Tc Kc 9c] [Qc]
skankboy: checks
gatorback7: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skankboy: shows [8d 3c] (a flush, King high)
gatorback7: shows [X X ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.50 | Rake $0.50
Board [4c Tc Kc 9c Qc]
Seat 1: PiS.Juliam folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zeller72 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: gatorback7 (button) showed [X-X]
Seat 4: Poker92118 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: skankboy (big blind) showed [8d 3c] and won with a flush, King high
Seat 6: TMflopwell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
OK, guess what gatorback7 called the raise on the turn with?????
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| | | 101 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 21:47
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errr, we're playing $.25/$50 apparently.
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| | | 102 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:29
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What I'm I missing here? Wouldn't you be playing the board?
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| | | 103 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:31
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I did play the board after the river.... what do you think he called with she raised on the turn?
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| | | 104 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:32
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KsTs
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| | | 105 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:44
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let's put it this way.... the hand he turned was so surprising, I had a hard time explaining poker fundamentals to her.
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| | | 106 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:46
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Ac 10s
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| | | 107 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:47
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Nevermind. You chopped, right?
6h2s
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| | | 108 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, May 05, 2008, 22:48
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Qh 6h chop-chop
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| | | 109 | beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Tue, May 06, 2008, 16:45
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How did you explain calling the flop bet to her?
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| | | 110 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, May 06, 2008, 17:29
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She made the call, but his 0.50 bet made the pot $2.00, so she was calling $0.50 to win $2 equaling 4 to 1 payoff on her money with a 35% +/- chance of hitting he flush and possibly getting paid better. That's as far as we got as she didn't take into account her flush card was only a 3. If the river doesn't come club, she would have to fold to a pot size bet as she would have been out flushed, likely. I don't think the call on the flop was bad. The turn bet was to see where she was.... so we both thought he had a club, thus no river bet (to try to bluff).
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