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Subject: Poker part V

  Posted by: rockafellerskank - [49136120] Wed, Sep 27, 2006, 01:27
Hope no one minds, but the last thread was too long.

Easy hand for me to play in SB (although I normally wouldn't even bother with this starting hand, I was aching for a confrontation with the BB who had been a donkey on another table)

Stage #456901865: Holdem No Limit $1 - 2006-09-27 01:20:05 (ET)
Table: ROYAL ST. (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - RLWAV97 ($196 in chips)
Seat 7 - SKANKBOY1 ($363.35 in chips)
Seat 8 - ROHIRRIM ($211.95 in chips)
Seat 9 - LONE RANGER ($33 in chips)
Seat 2 - EAGLE925 ($27.67 in chips)
Seat 4 - BORIK232 ($100.50 in chips)
SKANKBOY1 - Posts small blind $0.50
ROHIRRIM - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SKANKBOY1 [4h 7h]
LONE RANGER - Calls $1
EAGLE925 - Calls $1
BORIK232 - Folds
RLWAV97 - Folds
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $0.50
ROHIRRIM - Checks
*** FLOP *** [3c Kd 6h]
SKANKBOY1 - Checks
ROHIRRIM - Checks
LONE RANGER - Checks
EAGLE925 - Checks
*** TURN *** [3c Kd 6h] [5c]
SKANKBOY1 - Bets $3
ROHIRRIM - Raises $10 to $10
LONE RANGER - Folds
EAGLE925 - Folds
SKANKBOY1 - Raises $104 to $107
ROHIRRIM - All-In(Raise) $200.95 to $210.95
SKANKBOY1 - Calls $103.95
*** RIVER *** [3c Kd 6h 5c] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SKANKBOY1 - Shows [4h 7h] (Straight, three to seven)
ROHIRRIM - Shows [4s 2h] (Straight, two to six)
SKANKBOY1 Collects $422.90 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($425.90) | Rake ($3)
Board [3c Kd 6h 5c Js]
Seat 2: EAGLE925 Folded on the TURN
Seat 4: BORIK232 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: RLWAV97 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: SKANKBOY1 (small blind) won Total ($422.90) HI:($422.90) with Straight, three to seven [4h 7h - P:7h,B:6h,B:5c,P:4h,B:3c]
Seat 8: ROHIRRIM (big blind) HI:lost with Straight, two to six [4s 2h - B:6h,B:5c,P:4s,B:3c,P:2h]
Seat 9: LONE RANGER Folded on the TURN


SB vs. BB magic!

Just goes to show, ANY hand can get you into trouble which is why you shouldn't play crap, kids. :)
 
1R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Sep 27, 2006, 02:34 		Had a similar hand myself, with 96os.

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 2048852987 *****
$1/$2 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 09 15 00:11:53 2006
Table Jemma (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: bubles25 ( $242.85 )
Seat 1: RNiner ( $200 )
Seat 2: landl0rd ( $138.4 )
Seat 3: ms4088 ( $256.78 )
Seat 4: pocketMs ( $181.79 )
Seat 5: HupSarge ( $181 )
Seat 6: gashark ( $33.36 )
Seat 7: CowGame ( $22 )
Seat 8: swtnamja ( $327.6 )
bubles25 posts small blind [$1].
RNiner posts big blind [$2].
CowGame posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to RNiner [ 9h 6s ]
landl0rd calls [$2].
ms4088 folds.
pocketMs folds.
HupSarge folds.
gashark folds.
CowGame checks.
swtnamja calls [$2].
bubles25 folds.
RNiner checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 5h, 4h ]
RNiner checks.
landl0rd checks.
CowGame checks.
swtnamja checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
RNiner checks.
landl0rd checks.
CowGame checks.
swtnamja checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
RNiner bets [$14].
landl0rd raises [$36].
CowGame folds.
swtnamja folds.
RNiner raises [$184].
landl0rd calls [$100.4].
** Summary **
RNiner shows [ 9h 6s ].
landl0rd shows [ 6d Kd ].
RNiner shows [ 9h 6s ].
RNiner collected [$277.8].
RNiner collected [$61.6].

He goes broke in an 8$ pot on the river with just a weak straight. I can see just calling my 14$ river bet (though I probably wouldn't do it given the ridiculously small pot) but what a donk. :)

I love playing crap hands, but you have to play them right. Way too many people don't know what that means. I love a 67s vs. a preflop raise that I know is a big pair/big cards, or an A-rag that I know is vs. a big ace. (A5 vs. AK) If I hit my straight or flush with 67s I know I get paid with no chance of losing. If I hit my aces-up with A5 vs. AK or AK, I know I get my money in with a serious advantage. But if you don't know what your up against (someone who raises with anything) don't play crap! :)
 
2R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Sep 27, 2006, 02:35 		or AQ* that should be...
 
3Sludge
      ID: 11042612
      Wed, Sep 27, 2006, 11:45 		Can a moderator rename this thread to "Poker part VII" por favor? Or is that impossible?
 
4beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 01:01 		I hit up the WSOP Circuit event in Tunica today. Here's my brief synopsis(as posted on twoplustwo.com).

Played in the $340 and unfortunately was card dead and couldn't win any showdowns against the shorties. 1500 starting chips sucks. Tons of STT's for tourney chips were running and the fields were weak in the two I played. Got yelled at because 3rd in chips with 3 left wanted to guarantee 3rd place gets $100($120 buy in, $1100 prize pool). Ended up splitting it and parlayed my $500 chip into the $550 mega sat at 7 PM. Only about 20 runners, got crippled when my JJ ran into T8 on a TT8 flop.

There were tons of cash games running, 10/20 NL was running at noon when I got there. Heard they weren't laying out any 1/2 NL. Also, it's a meat locker up in the poker room. Bring a jacket and wear pants.

Watched a little of the FT for Event 2. Some chic named Angel took it down. All I can say is she's officially my new dream girl.
 
5Micheal
      ID: 05152823
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 04:03 		I just want to complain about people who will not giveup top pair no matter what it is
 
6beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 19:48 		Ugh, I hate politicians. Looks like Frist is going to get his way and put a Internet gambling restriction on the Port Authority Bill. F'in ridiculous. Way to put in a law that nobody wants.
 
7tommyd
      ID: 2832309
      Sat, Sep 30, 2006, 11:43 		That's really sad, have to love it when the government puts their nose in something it doesnt belong.

Tom
 
8R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sat, Sep 30, 2006, 16:28 		The guys over at 2+2 are expecting some serious industry opposition come Monday. I think the majority of poker sites thought this bill would be nerfed before ever seeing the light of day, and the way Frist snuck this in was just downright, uh, Republican? ;)


Late Friday night, the internet gambling provision sailed through Congress as part of a popular bill to secure U.S. ports. Democrats in the House expressed disgust at adding a measure to curb internet gambling while refusing to allow provisions for rail and mass transit safety but voted on the bill even though it fell short of what they were asking for.

"God forbid something happens on our mass transit system and the American people find out that Republicans could not find time to add provisions to make mass transit safer yet you found time to add a measure that would prohibit internet gambling," said one representative speaking before the House.
 
9KM
      ID: 238502922
      Sat, Sep 30, 2006, 17:27 		Been trying to read up online about this. It was my understanding that banks would be prohibited from transfering funds, so you'd have to use some other entity - like online phone cards, etc - but that there is no way to actually prevent citizens from using the site?
 
10R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sat, Sep 30, 2006, 18:46 		That is what I understand. The greatest concern isn't so much we wont be able to play, but that the easiest means of funding that fish have will be taken away, and thus the player pool will become much smaller and far more difficult.
 
11KM
      ID: 238502922
      Sat, Sep 30, 2006, 19:30 		This isn't the politics forum, so I apolgize, but I never thought I'd consider Libertarians more rational than Republicans.

Obviously the impact on fish would be noticeable, but I wonder how many fish this would actually deter? None of my cards will accept gambling payments already - I use Neteller. I am not sure how the existing services work, but aren't there easy CC->third party->casino services that don't require bank account verification and all that which causes delays?
 
12beastiemiked
      ID: 35916114
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 16:19 		I'm playing in the Stars WCOOP main event in about 10 minutes(sat'ed in through a $60 rebuy event a couple of days ago). It'll be my 2nd biggest tourney ever. Hopefully, it turns about better than the 3 other WCOOP events I played.
 
13KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 16:24 		gl, playing at Stars now, I might observe you sometime
 
14Donkey Hunter
      Sustainer
      ID: 916288962
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 17:59 		Just saw beastiemiked take down a 15000 chip pot to move into 250th place with only 2200 to go. Almost there. lol
 
15beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 18:19 		Was up to 18k earlier but donked it off on a turn bluff that ran into a set. Up over 20k now.

PokerStars Game #6489768677: Tournament #40000018, $2500+$100 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (75/150) - 2006/10/01 - 17:53:45 (ET)
Table '40000018 265' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: beastiemiked (11250 in chips)
Seat 2: DarkTremor (9488 in chips)
Seat 3: ENRIQUEL (15111 in chips)
Seat 4: A3ce4d (11850 in chips)
Seat 5: Kush99 (11100 in chips)
Seat 6: Born2DogBaby (15000 in chips)
Seat 7: intervntion (8600 in chips)
Seat 8: vdog77 (8925 in chips)
Seat 9: J0EBL0GGS (12726 in chips)
beastiemiked: posts small blind 75
DarkTremor: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beastiemiked [3s 3d]
ENRIQUEL: folds
A3ce4d: folds
Kush99: folds
Born2DogBaby: folds
intervntion: folds
vdog77: folds
J0EBL0GGS: raises 300 to 450
beastiemiked: calls 375
DarkTremor: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 3h Jh]
beastiemiked: bets 700
J0EBL0GGS: raises 950 to 1650
beastiemiked: calls 950
*** TURN *** [4d 3h Jh] [4h]
beastiemiked: checks
J0EBL0GGS: bets 1200
beastiemiked: calls 1200
*** RIVER *** [4d 3h Jh 4h] [2d]
beastiemiked: checks
J0EBL0GGS: bets 4050
beastiemiked: raises 3900 to 7950 and is all-in
J0EBL0GGS: folds
beastiemiked collected 14850 from pot
beastiemiked: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14850 | Rake 0
Board [4d 3h Jh 4h 2d]
Seat 1: beastiemiked (small blind) collected (14850)
Seat 2: DarkTremor (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ENRIQUEL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: A3ce4d folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Kush99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Born2DogBaby folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: intervntion folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: vdog77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: J0EBL0GGS (button) folded on the River

 
16KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 20:59 		He's 41 now of 789. Top 330 get paid. Go bmd.
 
17beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:00 		41st out of 789 left.
 
18KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:11 		How'd u get the chip stack bmd? Big hands only... or any races yet?
 
19Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:23 		I've got bmd's table up. 48231 right now which is out of the top 100 but he's in at least. 625 left, top 330 get paid. Top prize $1.1 mil!
 
20beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:24 		The stack I once had was accumulated with a few backdoor flushes and sets. Down to 48k.
 
21Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:24 		Ouch - guy goes all in for 9k with A10o vs. AA and catches straight on the river.
 
22beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:47 		Being card dead sucks.
 
23Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:48 		bmd has played 3 hands since I sat down.....2 blind steals and one call from the big stack of the table. AQ4 hits and big stack bets out and bmd folds.

Down to 488 players and 37531 while avg stack is 51k.
 
24beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:51 		Yeah, I had 33.
 
25Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:54 		That big stack has done well vs. short stacks and their all-ins. Had AQ and short stack went in for 9k with QJ (???). Then another he had AJ vs. A10 again for ~10k.

The big stack at his table is 7th in chips right now.
 
26beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 21:59 		324 out of 442. I'm going to have to committ all my chips sometime soon.
 
27R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:01 		GL bmd.
 
28Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:08 		Ok - I've bailed from bmd's table. Bad mojo I think! lol Better luck buddy!
 
29KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:09 		Any of you guys play limit at Party or Stars? Party has a fish reputation and rakeback (private deals), while Stars has neither. But, I'm finding Stars much more proftable for the very simple fact that they show 'players see flop %'. At Party sometimes you have to see a few orbits before you know if there are any fish at your table.
 
30beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:22 		48 to go. I hate to do it, but I'm stalling.
 
31Sludge
      ID: 45541422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:23 		No shame in it if your goal is to make the cut.
 
32beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:26 		Well if I get a hand to push I'll probably do it. Though, that 5k would be nice.
 
33R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:29 		Most regular limit players at Party datamine before they play with programs like pokertracker, so they know right away which table has the most fishies.
 
34KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:30 		At the elimination rate, will you make it before 5-6 blind rounds take you out?
 
35Donkey Hunter
      Sustainer
      ID: 916288962
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:32 		he should make it by doing nothing. Although it might slow down significantly as they get closer to the bubble.
 
36R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:34 		It most certainly will, and given that he's 343 out of 360 I say its a 50/50 shot at finishing in the money without a doubleup. GL bmd!
 
37KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:34 		R9, I have pokertracker, but usually I have data on 1 to 2 of 5 guys at a 6max table. Most fish, I assume (pokertracker confirms they play very rarely) are short lived, so getting large amounts of data on them is probably hard/useless anyway.
 
38KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:38 		Bmd is employing to ole Time Bank technique. Good tactic, hopefully others aren't doing the same.
 
39Donkey Hunter
      Sustainer
      ID: 916288962
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:39 		uh oh all in
 
40beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:39 		Had JJ.
 
41Sludge
      ID: 45541422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:39 		All-in! Secured another round of blinds.
 
42beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:41 		I'm glad vengven is stalling as well. Not sure why he's doing it though.
 
43Sludge
      ID: 45541422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:43 		I just hope that the folks stalling at your table remember that stalling when it goes hand-for-hand only serves to increase their chances of leaving before the cut-off.
 
44KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:43 		12 players til money, he should make it... theres enough higher ranked players going for broke to make a bigger dent in the cash.
 
45beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:49 		Looking good. Hopefully I don't get aces next hand to tempt me. Though, I really think from a $EV point I should still fold them.
 
46Donkey Hunter
      Sustainer
      ID: 916288962
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:53 		Looks like you got it. Hopefully there are a gang of eliminations in the next few hands after head to head. You might be able to move up a couple of payscales
 
47KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:53 		1 to go til money. Bmd, if you get AA or KK here, what would you do?
 
48Sludge
      ID: 45541422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:54 		Congrats, bmd!
 
49KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:54 		n/m, just saw earlier post
 
50beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:55 		Yea baby!
 
51KM
      ID: 268252422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:56 		out to 10/10 v q/q, great tourny man
 
52Sludge
      ID: 45541422
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:56 		Yeah, go figure. Damn, what a time to get a hand.
 
53beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 22:59 		It happens. I was getting hit by the deck early and couldn't get anything later. Only made 1 play that I thought was "bad".
 
54Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 23:08 		Sweet. Congrats bmd for holding on. Horrible run of cards just having antes and blinds eat you away, but you made it!
 
55R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 23:19 		Congrats bmd, nice payday regardless!
 
56rockafellerskank
      ID: 49136120
      Sun, Oct 01, 2006, 23:56 		congrats bmd!
 
57beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 00:30 		Here's my stinker. Villain was pretty aggro and has made a few questionable moves. Pretty sure I should've folded pf to avoid this situation.


PokerStars Game #6492195849: Tournament #40000018, $2500+$100 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (500/1000) - 2006/10/01 - 21:11:03 (ET)
Table '40000018 265' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: beastiemiked (72733 in chips)
Seat 2: DarkTremor (63714 in chips)
Seat 3: DaMadPotter (46570 in chips)
Seat 4: iamlucky (33576 in chips)
Seat 5: GoBigRed81 (55077 in chips)
Seat 6: vegvesen.no (27125 in chips)
Seat 7: actiondiz (28821 in chips)
Seat 8: LXIXME17 (18493 in chips)
Seat 9: fishstylz (16312 in chips)
beastiemiked: posts the ante 100
DarkTremor: posts the ante 100
DaMadPotter: posts the ante 100
iamlucky: posts the ante 100
GoBigRed81: posts the ante 100
vegvesen.no: posts the ante 100
actiondiz: posts the ante 100
LXIXME17: posts the ante 100
fishstylz: posts the ante 100
LXIXME17: posts small blind 500
fishstylz: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beastiemiked [Kh Qs]
beastiemiked: raises 2000 to 3000
DarkTremor: folds
DaMadPotter: folds
iamlucky: folds
GoBigRed81: calls 3000
vegvesen.no: folds
actiondiz: folds
LXIXME17: folds
fishstylz: calls 2000
*** FLOP *** [2h Qh Js]
fishstylz: checks
beastiemiked: bets 6500
GoBigRed81: raises 45477 to 51977 and is all-in
fishstylz: folds
beastiemiked: folds
GoBigRed81 collected 23400 from pot
GoBigRed81: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23400 | Rake 0
Board [2h Qh Js]
Seat 1: beastiemiked folded on the Flop
Seat 2: DarkTremor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: DaMadPotter folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: iamlucky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: GoBigRed81 collected (23400)
Seat 6: vegvesen.no folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: actiondiz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: LXIXME17 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: fishstylz (big blind) folded on the Flop

 
58biliruben
      ID: 535193010
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 01:23 		Toughie. Two backdoors, tp, decent kicker.

The question is, if he hit a set or has an over-pair, does he go all in, or just try and suck some chips from you, and hope you make a move?

He may have had big-slick, where he thinks he may have 10 outs, or an open-ender or AJ, but AQ is also pretty likely, in which case you are down to 3 outs plus your back-doors.

I may have pushed first, and put the onus on him to call. He may even have folded AQ.
 
59biliruben
      ID: 535193010
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 01:23 		How much did you win, btw?
 
60beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 01:49 		I won 5k.

Well we were both deepstacked so open pushing was out of the question. I was pretty active but he has to respect an utg raise. I really doubt he's doing this with something like AJ or or QT. I figured he had me either crushed(AQ, KK, or AA) or was drawing to a straight or flush.
 
61beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 03:05 		Looks like Party Poker, and probably more sites to follow, is officially pulling out of the US. Man, this sucks. F'in politicians.
 
62R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 03:44 		Pacific, Party and now Pokerstars are out. Goddam Frist. If I was in his boots, I'd stay away from any public place for a while. He just made a crapload of enemies.

I've made my living off online poker for about two years now, and still have 1 1/2 years of school left. I was hoping to keep playing until I graduated. Now I fear I'll be left flipping burgers in between classes just to finish. All because some ****wad politician felt the need to impose his beliefs on us. He doesn't even understand online poker. Ugh. So pissed off right now. :(
 
63ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 09:24 		This sucks...can't find anything on my site...pulling a bunch of money tonight...
 
64THK
      ID: 3861516
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 10:18 		So what sites will still be available?
 
65rockafellerskank
      ID: 49136120
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 10:27 		I just went to Pacific as I have a few bucks on that site. When i click on, I only get the option toi log on for "play money" I can't even get to cashier to withdraw.

I'm going to contact customer service.

R9 -- You play at Pacific, right? Any info would be appreciated?

 
66rockafellerskank
      ID: 49136120
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 10:36 		R9/bmd:

RE: #61/#62. Do you have links? I guess I could go to 2+2, but I am lazy. ;)

I'm pulling out all cash ASAP. Unfortunately, I just deposited to AP last night for more bonus money, so I have to wait 48 ours to w/d.
 
67rockafellerskank
      ID: 49136120
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 10:47 		Re: #65. Interesting...

Pacific replied to me, and said there were no restrictions on my account. "Suddenly" I had access to real money again (and cashed out). Here's the commenst they sent me for those interested. It basically says nothing:

Tim, with regards to your question on the continued operation of
Pacific
Poker, I can confirm that 888.com is fully aware of the legal
situation following the recent developments in the US Congress.

The Group Executive Management is assessing the impact of this
situation
on our business. 888.com?s members have always been guaranteed a
protected gaming environment and we will take appropriate and timely
measures to ensure the interests of our members are protected and will
address the concerns of our US customers.

I take this opportunity to assure you that all monies possibly held in
your account are safe and secure and that cash outs you may have
requested will be paid in accordance with standard company protocols.

We will continue to update our customers as soon as additional
information becomes available and I invite you to contact us at any
time, should you have further questions or require assistance in any
other matter.

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68weykool
      ID: 41750315
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 11:43 		Not seeing anything on the Party site about pulling out.
Everything is working fine today.
I have 400+ raked hands to play b4 wednesday to get my $100 bonus.

Can someone post the website where this info is available?
Thanks
 
70KM
      ID: 238502922
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 12:31 		Found the official Party statement:

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/LSECWS/IFSPages/MarketNewsPopup.aspx?id=1308926&source=RNS

From the horse's mouth:
"After taking extensive legal advice, the Board of PartyGaming Plc has concluded that the new legislation, if signed into law, will make it practically impossible to provide US residents with access to its real money poker and other real money gaming sites. As a result of this development, the Board of PartyGaming has determined that if the President signs the Act into law, the Company will suspend all real money gaming business with US residents, and such suspension will continue indefinitely, subject to clarification of the interpretation and enforcement of US law and the impact on financial institutions of this and other related legislation. Access to PartyGaming's online gaming sites for the Group's US free play customers will be unaffected. Access for all of PartyGaming’s non-US customers will also be unaffected."
 
71Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 12:41 		Brutal.

Should make my B&M games more interesting!
 
72KM
      ID: 238502922
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 12:46 		Expectation seems to be that many of the big sites will follow suit, forcing a shift to smaller, less known sites. Of course, most of those won't be fish, the fish are going to go watch ESPN now instead. And there's no telling when the site of your choice will bail. This feels like the MP3 saga all over again. Sites will get popular, and pressured to shut down, letting some other site emerge, which then gets shut down. I think I need a PO box in Canada.
 
73R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 13:24 		Article possibly explaining Party and Pacific's actions.

Official statements from a bunch of sites.
 
74R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 13:27 		"I'm trying to look on the bright side: At least our ports are finally safe." lol!
 
75KM
      ID: 238502922
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 13:55 		A lot of the bigger sites have said they'll definitely be up and running for US costumers for the next 270 days, when compliance would be mandatory. So, if Party stops letting you play, you'll probably get several more months minimum. No need to turn in the McDonald's application quite yet.
 
76ukula
      ID: 35939212
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 14:44 		This shouldn't affect this site:

National League of Poker

Free site with chance to win some cash prizes, WSOP seats, etc....

I've played on this one before - pretty easy to get into the top 50 of a 300+ tourney.
 
77weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 15:08 		When is Party's decision supposed to take affect?
I was playing today without any problems?
 
78ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 15:59 		can i say again this sucks! the site I play on is probably 75% europeans...so I do not think it will get much smaller...I just hope they do not block US based customers...
 
79KM
      ID: 268252422
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 17:50 		TRS... which site?

Weykool - When Bush signs the bill I believe, which should be within 10 days. I heard something about Wednesday, but can't remember the source.
 
80ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 17:54 		prima
 
81weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 18:06 		oh well.
I did my 400 hands and got me $100 bonus.
Cashed out 75% of my funds.
I wonder if there could be a delay in funding the cash outs.

Just like in 1929 when everyone went to the bank at the same time and the bank ran out of money.
Im sure they have most of our funds invested in other things.
 
82beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 18:22 		Oh yeah, this sucks bad. I've been living off poker the past 2 months while I travelled throughout the US. Had planned on going to Europe for a couple of weeks but might end up staying over there if I can get a place to crash for awhile. Hopefully, well look at this day 6-12 months from now and laugh at how p'ed we were at Frist.
 
83KM
      ID: 268252422
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 18:28 		Frist's email inbox is full, lol. If you think the AARP is bad Frist, wait til every male over 21 is knocking on your door.
 
84biliruben
      ID: 535193010
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 20:12 		F'in' Nanny state. Any gambler who votes Republican ever again is a fool.

I don't even gamble online and this makes me see red.

Off to a tourney at a casino to hear the yutes whine about this.
 
85KM
      ID: 268252422
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 20:21 		Party alert, people are already getting US related issues. You might want to bail.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=7516077&an=0&page=0&vc=1
 
86Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 11:08 		The effects will be far reaching. Think ESPN will produce as much poker content now? Without online poker needing to advertise, you wonder how expansive poker on TV will be. As a matter of fact, I'd imagine all sports programming will take a hit because I've seen plenty of poker advertising on the NFL and you'd imagine the baseball playoffs getting plenty of run too.....I wonder if those sites paid for advertising in advance! I hope ESPN already cashed the checks.
 
87Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 11:09 		....and like bili I wonder what this does to our Brick & Mortar casinos/card clubs, who must be licking their chops.
 
88ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 12:02 		It might help B&M short term but will certainly harm them long term...going to be a lot less new players...
 
89Aman
      ID: 427312414
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 12:21 		My guess would be that the number of players at the WSOP events will be way down as well. I would speculate that the big US gaming names will have a keen interest here as they might purchase the overseas sites cheap and then use their lobbying power to have the law amended to their benefit. The government would then be able to regulate the on-line industry and the US firms got in cheap.
 
90Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 12:47 		TRS - good point, but the explosion was SO huge, perhaps even quintupling the poker market, that even if only 30-40% of that new market over the past 3 years sticks and becomes B&M players, isn't that still a HUGE increase in your market?

Aman makes an outstanding point. While the industry is reeling now, you'd have to think there is enough money at stake that they will organize and lobby now, or US interests will take over and do their own lobbying.
 
91KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 12:55 		I doubt B&M benefits too much. Online poker is a special breed...huge $ tournament while getting to sit in your chair, more than 1 hand every minute, having to do nothing but hit the power button to play. You have to really enjoy poker to take all that time and travel the distances to play half the hands. Most of the casual players (saw ESPN Party add) probably won't abandon the wife Wednesday night to play at Harrah's.
 
92THK
      ID: 3861516
      Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 11:03 		They are only trying to ban the movement of funds into gaming sites correct? So why isn't NT the solution to these problems? I haven't had the time to read about the legislation extensively, but it doesn't seem that the US is trying to outlaw gaming all together. Any direct explanation would be greatly appreciated.

It is depressing that I would about to toss some cash in FullTilt and see what I liked about a new site.....
 
93R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 11:13 		This legislation is specifically targeted at companies like Neteller, to prevent US gamblers from having any way to fund their poker accounts. So far they've said they'll stay for a few months until they figure out what to do, and maybe they can find a loophole that allows them to stay. But I doubt it. I'm sure Frist and his buddies made sure of that.

Its not a big problem for those of us with big bankrolls, but for the average gambler who needs to redeposit every month or so, they'll eventually just stop playing. (Not to mention that you guys wont be able to move your bankroll around to other sites.)

It doesn't make playing poker online illegal at all, but that image is no doubt out there. Already some of my friends who play (they have maybe 500$ online combined) are pulling their money out, and they aren't even American. Doesn't matter what I explained to them, they just didn't want to bother with the hassle of understanding.
 
94rockafellerskank
      ID: 180352016
      Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 13:52 		I admit I have a lot of reading to do, why can't we just fund NT with certified checks via mail and receive NT money back via check. Certainly, this legislation can't restrict who I write a check to, can it? Also, post poker sites will mail you a check when you want to cash out too.

I realize this will slow things down, but I only make a W/D evey 60 days or so anyway.

I play at AP and I'm encouraged by their stand so far. I've also seen an influx of players this week -- some fish, some sharks -- at AP.

I did pull out cash on 5 other poker sites that I only play at occasionally.
 
95R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 14:01 		You'll be able to fund Neteller no problem. This law will prevent Neteller from moving funds from NT to poker sites however.
 
96KM
      ID: 268252422
      Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 14:15 		Right. You'll find a way to fund somehow, but the masses won't make such a huge effort when credit card/bank account/netteller aren't working out.
 
97rockafellerskank
      ID: 180352016
      Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 14:25 		Heck, I'd be willing to go check/check to/from my poker site and eliminate NT if I have to.

I'm confident that someone will find a technological solution. Technology is always ahead of the law. Andm there's too much money involved for someone not to figure out a way to earn a payday. I read that PP was raking $36.4M per day alone from US players.

R9 is right though, it's the fish that see the commercial and quickly log in for $200 and lose it that we won't get anymore.

The ISP blocking part troubles me more than the financing part.



I'm gonna keep clicking away with the mouse and keep an eye on updates at 2+2 and hope for the best.
 
98ChicagoTRS
      ID: 3802719
      Fri, Oct 06, 2006, 00:20 		I am not sure how they can block NT from transferring $$ to poker sites...NT is not a US based company...US has no jurisdiction...they can try and block money going in but once it is in I can't see how they can stop transfers to other sites...they probably can block US account linking.
 
99KM
      ID: 268252422
      Fri, Oct 06, 2006, 02:27 		Jury is still out on the Neteller situation. From their new terms of service:

12.1 You are prohibited from engaging in any of the following:
....(ii) using the NETELLER Service for any purpose contrary to laws, statutes or regulations applicable to you, including without limitation, those concerning money laundering, fraud, criminal activity, financial services or consumer protection;

Most of the TOS suggests it is your responsibility to abide by your laws, not Neteller's. Seems to me like a way to not give the US a huge middle finger, while not letting them crush your business either. But, Uncle Sam has tried many times to pressure off-shore financial institutions. I imagine if Neteller gets the drift that the US is going to make life difficult for them, they could conceivably self-regulate against Americans.
 
100R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Fri, Oct 06, 2006, 02:47 		Many of us, when we first heard of the legislation, assumed Neteller and the poker sites would put up some kind of a fight. The law caught me by surprise. The reaction from Pacific and Party just shocked a ton of us. We assumed there would be a way to fight this and their immediate surrender definitely made us think differently.

I'm still not sure how things are going to pan out. The spectrum of opinions range from utter decimation of online poker to 'meh, we'll be back to normal next week'.
 
101Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 14:51 		I have been busting up Heads up but the only problem is that CD poker cash games have closed down..

Does anyone know of any other sites that will supply heads up (HU) cash games.... I like AP poker heads up tourney's but I'd rather play cash games...

Thanks,
And if anyone wants to play me HU on AP poker give me a line...
mavhowe@gmail.com
 
102KM
      ID: 268252422
      Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 15:26 		FT does, starting at 3/6.
 
103Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 16:57 		wow. i was only doing 1/2 and .5/1

i really don't know why they don't have them on more sites.
 
104Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 17:35 		okay so i was really confusing people with my betting techniques. I have 400. This other guy has 430.

I get a FLUSH on the flop. Ace high... Been over betting a TON..

4 people limped in for the blind which was 1 dollar.

Some raises 2 dollars. Then I raise 30!

The guy behind me who was talking smack of how bad i was raises another 60. i raise to 200...
He goes all in with to 430

the flop was k 4 5
he has 2 pair with 4 and 5

I have A 8 suited NUT flush...

He catches another 5 on the river...

I lost 400 dollars and he talks crap to me about how much i suck...

Life is funny and I realize i always lose at cash tables except HU...

I have had so many bad beats.. Mainly b/c I always get the other guy to go all in when i have the best hand and the other guy always sucks out.
 
105KM
      ID: 268252422
      Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 19:53 		The beats just stick out in your head. I kept a spreadsheet once of post-all in outcomes. I had something like 8K in the pots, expected to win ~6K on post-all-in odds. That's about 80 pots, and the odds really did even out despite a few 9:1 miracles.
 
106beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 21:12 		If anyone still has money on Party I strongly recommend cashing asap and us Americans won't be able to play on there in a couple of days anyway. Some of the things I have been reading sound pretty scary. Stuff like Party not having enough to cover all the cashouts.
 
107Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 10:28 		well here is my problem. I never get people to go all in without a few outs...
so i lose money on winning those pots.. b/c they fold...

then when i do go all in i say i have the best hand around 80% of the time. so i automatically lose abotu 20 percent.. then with the bad beats i probably lose another 40% of those for some odd reason.

that puts me behind...
for instance yesterday i was playing at the kiddy table.

I had AA. BB is 25 cents. I raise 3 dollars right off the bat with AA. playing crazy again.. and I get a caller with 10 10.. I then raise on the flop which was 10 2 2. he reraises me all in.. I call and he has me beat.. the funny thing is that everyone had about 15 bucks at the table. I had 60, started with 50... and he had 59. Of course he takes all of my money and the thing that pisses me off most is that he was the only one at the table who could bust me and he called a 3 dollar bet and then I raised after the flop 9 dollars.

Would you have called? the funy thing is that i played 5 9 person tourneys at the same time and I was in the money on all 4 of them. I only came out ahead like 20 bucks..

not sure how to play cash games i guess. I am good at tourneys and Heads up but always lose at the cash games.
 
108weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 11:42 		The question is why did you go all in when there were plenty of hands that had you beat?

Besides a possible set you could have been facing A-2 or K-2.

This is a classic example of the only hands that will call you are the hands that will beat you.

Put in a pot size bet and see what happens.
If he has nothing he folds just the same as he would have with an all in bet.
The only difference is you are not risking your entire stack
 
109KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 13:46 		His call is 100% reasonable. Even if he puts on a dominating hand like AA... he pays 3 bucks to see a shot at a set on the flop. That's a 12% chance. To make his call EV+, IF he assume's he's beat (you could have had AK or smaller PP there too), he needs at least (88%*$3)/12% = $22. It's pretty reasonable to think he could take $22 off you in the event he hits his set v your AA or KK. In fact, he took much more.
 
110KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 13:55 		"then when i do go all in i say i have the best hand around 80% of the time. so i automatically lose abotu 20 percent.. then with the bad beats i probably lose another 40% of those for some odd reason."

Also, I'm not sure if you meant exactly what you wrote, but having the 'best hand' is not nearly as relevant as precise odds. I have the 'best hand' as a 51% favorite or a 95% favorite. You should start keeping track of post-all in outcomes based on precise odds. Pre-all-in is irrelevant, because player decisions can alter the game, post-all-in PURE odds.

Example of what I did:
100 dollars in pot, post-all in I am a 72% favorite. My expected value is $72. Do that for every all in, then compare the expected values to the actual outcomes (usually $0 or the pot for each hand). If your actual mean $ earned is smaller than expected $, over a statistically significant sample size with 99% certainty, then I'd be more likely to buy in to a unfair software complaint.
 
111Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 13:55 		well how do you play AA then if you every time you bet you get raised or called. I figured he had an over pair to call a 3 dollar bet. Also why would he go all in if he had the nuts on the flop...Most would of just called. It's strange, i guess that's the thing about low stake cash games. call any huge bets and hope...
 
112R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:05 		It sounds like you're thinking a bit too emotionally at the cash tables. Instead of cursing why the only big stack at the table called a 3$ preflop raise, think logically and ask why he would do that. In this case, I would put him on either two high cards, or more likely a pocket pair. Many people (most of us here included) love calling preflop raises with pocket pairs, because when we hit a set we stack the guy with AA or KK. So unless he's a maniac, his raise on the flop should get you thinking, what does he have?

If you go through this thinking process and decide to call, so be it. I've lost my stack with AA or KK before to a set, it happens to everyone. But we had logic behind our calls, even if our reads turned out to be wrong. In this case, you didn't desribe WHY you called his all-in. Was it just because you had AA? Was it because you put him on a hand like KK, QQ, JJ, etc. Was it because you were tilting? Some reasons would lead to a call, some would lead to a fold. The important thing is to practice your reads and get better at it. Learn from your mistakes, and learn how your opponents play.
 
113R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:11 		well how do you play AA then if you every time you bet you get raised or called.

I would argue this is an emotional statement. Surely your AA is not always getting raised or called. If it is, you're in the juiciest game ever made, and the correct answer is always raise/all-in. AA is the favored hand going in, and if they ALWAYS call/raise you, eventually you will win a ton of money.

What sounds more realistic, is that you're remembering your AA bad beats because you expect to always win with AA. It will lose sometimes, and you have to be ready to fold it when you're behind. And you also have to be willing to push all-in (and sometimes lose). Thats poker. If the 50$ you lost to this guy was a noticable chunk of your bankroll, then you were playing at too high a limit. Losing 1 buyin cannot put you on tilt. If you lost it making the right decision, then thats poker. It can be a brutal game. But winning poker is all about consistantly making correct decisions, regardless of the eventual outcomes. Because in the end, those correct decisions will lead to overall profit.
 
114R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:14 		And I should mention, your call of his all-in wasn't neccessarily bad. Against certain players I just might make that call too. Vs. a tight/agressive player I lose my stack there, because I put him on JJ, QQ or KK, and my style of play is such that I would be strongly pre and post-flop with a hand like A10 there. So he would play an overpair very strongly, and I would have to call.

On the other hand, vs. a rock, I strongly consider folding. Very few rocks would raise all-in there with a hand like QQ. They would call me with their overpair, maybe even raise to see where they are, but rarely all-in. Besides playing passively, they also like to trap.

So it depends on the type of player, and your read on what he'd do.
 
115KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:16 		Right, it's a very tricky situation. AA or KK can be really big losers if not played right. I agree his re-raise all in was a bit strange.

If I'm him, I definitely smooth call the nuts to give the impression I just have a lonely ten, and let the agressor increase his bets trying to defend his AA. Even if you have nothing, you might keep paying me off with bluffs if I show weakness.

I don't have any insight into his playing style, so it's hard to say whether you should have called. If I'm playing some rock, who sees 20% of all flops and seldom pushes without the nuts... I concede the pot to him right there. If it's some clueless maniac who defends his top pair like a castle, then you could put him on a 10, trying to stop you from drawing to your AQ or whatever he thinks you have. He could have JJ or QQ too, some people reraise pre-flop with them, others call to make sure no A or K appears on the flop. A2 and K2 don't call 12x BB raises. One realistic hand out of several possibilities that might reraise all-in, beats you, and he had it. I'm not laying it down unless he's demonstrated extreme tightness. I play with several players where all-in = nuts, but they are few and far between. I think you just have to chalk this up to bad luck. I can't count how many times I've been in that situation and ended up beating JJ,QQ,KK, A10 and even smaller PPs that donkeys are SURE is good.

 
116Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:21 		Let's get a tourney together 9 person... I am on Absolute...

username 99maverik99

i have a friend on there who is just unbelieveably awesome. Skank better look out because he plays your table and he has a weird name like plz....... something strange. cireetm11 on most sites. i've seen this guy make 14k in a day playing heads up on cdpoker cash games and i have seen him win many big tourneys.

he knows when to bluff and he knows when to fold. i have seen people call him down 1000 dollars with ace high and he'll have a pair of 2's.
 
117KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:31 		I don't play Absolute - too small. Also don't play tourny's. I can't stand the race-style. Your fate is so dependant upon whether you get hands to go all-in with, and whether you win those races. I'd much rather play each street.
 
118R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:35 		I feel similarly KM, though I have played a few tournies lately for fun. Made the Round 3 in the Pokerstars Moneymaker thingy, and have played some huge field 3$-20$ tournies for fun. But it definitely isn't my preffered game. It might look juicy to pay 3$ and have a shot at 3000$, but that ignores the horrible odds you have of taking it in. I'll risk my 200$ for a shot at another 200$ everyday before I become a regular tourny player.
 
119KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:43 		Yeah, I play very small 9-18 person SnGos for a few bucks to keep me patient during cash games. I'm probably a little better than even on those, just cause people push with Q10 and all sorts of junk. I prefer distracting myself with micr-tournys to 4-tabling or something, as I usually scout out the best table or two to play.
 
121KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:47 		Some bad news of significance: Firepay is pulling out of the US market.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlebusiness.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2006-10-10T064356Z_01_L10433570_RTRUKOC_0_UK-FINANCIAL-FIREONE.xml

I don't use them, but this doesn't bode well for Neteller.
 
122Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 14:56 		All ican say that in 2 days i have lost 2 big hands.. a 50 dollar hand and a 400 dollar hand where i thought i played well. The 400 dollar pot was disgraceful to me. whre i had flush on the flop and he had 2 pair and went all in and caught on the river.
 
123KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 15:34 		Happens to everyone, and I've suffered beats much worse than his 4 outer on you. My worst experience ever (on Party, surprise surprise) was a 600 dollar pot:

I start with $400, he starts with about $300. Playing 2/4, I raise to $20 with KcKs to kock out limpers. He calls. BTW, he's a maniac and will play any two cards, and bluffs every pot.

Flop: Qc8c3c. I bet the pot (~$50), he reriases me all in for $300. I call instantly, since I've got the Kc and seriously doubt I am behind to this maniac.

Turn: Js
River: 2h

He flips over Jd,2s. He takes the pot with his two pair. The ONLY way he could have won the pot was runner runner J or 2, non club. That's 4 outs, then 3 outs: That's a .6% chance to take the pot.

It is by far the worst I've ever been bluffed (virtual no-outer bluff, from a guy with a table maniac image), and the worst I've ever been beat.

Stars has been good to me, but my EV on Party has never caught up with that and a few others. I'm actually glad Party is going under, the outfit is run very poorly I've been the guy at the 1% end of the distribution tail for quite some time.
 
124rockafellerskank
      ID: 49136120
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 15:43 		I don't play Absolute - too small.

That's what i like about AP. Roughly 10,000 to 13,000 players. My game is $1 NL and there are always 5-12 6-handed tables going. The part I really like is it's small enough that I know all the regular sharks and regular fishes/donkys. I rarley sit at a 6-person table that I don't know the playing habits of 2 to 4 of the players. Add in the bottmless re-deposit bonuses, rakeback and VIP program, and I'm increasing my hourly rate by over $15/hr based on 3 multi-tables.

Deadeye, I've seen you play and nothing personal, but I'm surprised you aren't broke. As far as your friend, go ahead and tell him to look me up: SKANKBOY1 -- I ain't scared.


The Fire Pay thingy is big for me. I just w/d my entire balance based on that article. I use NT and e-passport too though.
 
125KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 15:57 		I tried AP out and played 1/2 6-handed very briefly. Seemed like a whole lot of rocks in there. Party 1/2 is huge, and I usually know half the table. If I don't, I know they are newer and are more likely the latest school of fish.

Rakeback is definitely huge. It's the only part I dislike about Stars. I had it at Party, private deal, which I certainly don't hide any more. Seems like the lack of stars rakeback is made up by the VIP club items. I got two Ipod Bose docks over the last month of play. The same amount of points on party is friggin pair of sun glasses or something.
 
126R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 18:05 		Pacific 200NL is about the same. Maybe 3-4 full 10-player tables, and I tend to know the majority of the players and their habits.

No rakeback, their pts system is a total joke, and their software blows, so some real drawbacks.
 
127KM
      ID: 268252422
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 18:15 		Is that the site where you can't multi-table? All those drawbacks = less attractive to sharks.
 
128R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 18:18 		They've added multitabling, and there have been more sharks in the last few months. The fish pool has declined slightly as well. It isn't nearly as juicy as it used to be, but its still probably the juiciest site around.
 
129Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 18:47 		what site is the juiciest? do they have heads up cash games?
 
130Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 10, 2006, 18:53 		I'll get his screen name tonight and post it.

i wouldn't play at his table if i were you. this guy makes bank and he makes it quickly. best short table player for those blinds.
 
131KM
      ID: 268252422
      Wed, Oct 11, 2006, 22:02 		Pokerstars and Neteller recently stating their intention to stick this thing out. Probably won't be any news until the regulations get written over the next 9 months.
 
132ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 10:15 		Well Prima is shutting down to US customers...

Praying I can get my $$$ out...

Who is staying open besides PokerStars?
 
133ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 10:30 		Looks like PokerStars...FullTilt...Doyles Room...are all keeping there doors open...
 
134tommyd
      ID: 36858254
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 10:36 		Where did you see Prima was shutting down??
 
135KM
      ID: 238502922
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 12:49 		If you want to know the status of any room, here are their official statements:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=7509074&an=0&page=0#Post7509074
 
136ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 16:19 		it is shut down for me...can't log in...get a message saying US based accounts will be closed...could be prima is only shutting down to 10 US states...but others have said all of US...
 
137R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 16:31 		Are you able to reach them by e-mail or phone to cash out? Or have you already?
 
138weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 17:44 		Party is no longer taking bets or deposits from US customers.
 
139KM
      ID: 39421312
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 17:49 		Good riddance, as long as the others stick around. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo No more paaaaaaaaaarty pokaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
 
140ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 17:59 		I still have A LOT of cash in there...I have not had a chance to call yet but everything I have read from other boards and other people is they are paying...and I should get my money.

It just sucks...the last 4 months or so I have been playing much higher limits and making much $$$$...sick money actually...hopefully my success will translate to another site.
 
141KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 18:21 		I joined Absolute because of all of this hubbub. The graphics and features are terrible, but the players are worse than where I came from (Noble Poker), so all-in-all I'm happy.
 
142KM
      ID: 39421312
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 18:46 		Really? Absolute is supposedly one of the tightest sites. Felt like it when I played.
 
143weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 19:10 		Good riddance, as long as the others stick around. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo No more paaaaaaaaaarty pokaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Grow up.
 
144KM
      ID: 39421312
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 19:39 		Wow, you're way out of line. I was imitating the end of all their commercials. Party is a very poorly run site, terrible support, mediocre software, cut and run onn their customers. I can express my opinion, and I can choose to show a little levity. If you can't accept that without attacking someone else, you are the one that needs to grow up.
 
145rockafellerskank
      ID: 49136120
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 20:10 		KnicksFan - look me up sometime on AP. I"m SKANKBOY1. What's your screename?
 
146KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 20:44 		I'm ELONWINS...you'll find me exclusively on the limit side, between 1/2 and 3/6. Perhaps I'll venture over to no limit land and watch you kick ass. Btw, if you don't have rakeback with Absolute, they just started allowing affiliates to offer rakeback to current account holders.
 
147holt
      ID: 10830261
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 04:51 		it's official. can't play at party poker now.

I had less than $50 in my account there ($39?). all the cashout options say $50 minimum. surely there is some way I can get my money from em. granted it's not a lot of money, but still, they shouldn't be able to keep it.
 
148Sludge
      ID: 45541422
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 11:39 		...but still, they shouldn't be able to keep it.

Well, it's not exactly like you can sue for it.
 
149R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 11:40 		I downloaded AP to check it out, and was quite dissapointed to see no action on the 10-handed tables. Even the 6-handed had barely anything over .50/1$. Is that what you play skank?
 
151KM
      ID: 39421312
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 13:57 		I guess it didn't stop Enron and Worldcom, but since Party is actually publicly traded and pretty high profile, I imagine it would not be in their best interest to steal anything <$50 from users they voluntarily kicked out. Just email support and I'm sure they'll tell you how to cash out - I think I heard Neteller will transfer amounts greater than .10c, so the $50 requirement is purely a convenience thing for Party.
 
152holt
      ID: 10830261
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 15:33 		haha, very true sludge.

KM, thanks. I did e-mail yesterday but haven't heard a peep from em yet.
 
153KM
      ID: 39421312
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 15:39 		Someone on 2+2 claimed to have cashed out .38c
 
154Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 15:53 		I donated $4.88 to the Poker Alliance vs. cashing it out.....you cheapskates! ;-)
 
155holt
      ID: 10830261
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 22:41 		got an e-mail from PP saying that the cashout minimum has been dropped to $5.

I would never donate anything to poker alliance. in the end, big government will put the squeeze on corps like party poker for a big slice of the pie, then we will have on-line poker again. let those corps pay their own lawyers/lobbyists.
 
156 wiggs
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      ID: 04991311
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 22:50 		it seems like sites like bodog poker are still running because it is a sports betting site as well as poker. I have been playing on there with no issues throughout the day. If anyone is interested in going to bodog let me know and I will refer you and we can split the sign in bonus.
 
157KM
      ID: 39421312
      Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 23:14 		The sports betting is unrelated to sticking around as a poker site. And now transferring funds for sports betting is also illegal anyway. Bodog just chose to stick it out like Stars/FT (now #1 and #2 in size for US players).
 
158R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Oct 15, 2006, 12:37 		Full Tilt is looking like the potential big winner so far. I've noticed a serious decline in #'s at the higher NL tables at Pacific, to the point that I'm likely to bail if things dont pick up soon. I'll be looking for a new home, and Full Tilt has a nice 100% up to 600$ signup bonus going.

Anyone play there right now?
 
159KM
      ID: 319311512
      Sun, Oct 15, 2006, 14:41 		R9, it's my new home. The bonus takes forever to clear since it is essentially equal to their rakeback (27%) payout. But, that rakeback is the reason I tend to play them over stars. You need to play high limits very often to make the Stars points system equivalent.

They've got a $100 for member, $25 for new guy referal thing that I'd split 50/50 wih you if you want.
 
160weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Sun, Oct 15, 2006, 14:51 		I would never donate anything to poker alliance. in the end, big government will put the squeeze on corps like party poker for a big slice of the pie, then we will have on-line poker again. let those corps pay their own lawyers/lobbyists.

I could not agree more.
After Party has made billions off of our rake they now want us to donate to protect thier profits?
What a joke.
Very PO'ed with Party for bailing so quickly and not even putting up at least a whimper of a fight.
When and if they do get an exemption from the Govt....it is very doubtful i will be back.

Signed up for FT and seems to be a decent site.
 
161ChicagoTRS
      ID: 3802719
      Sun, Oct 15, 2006, 15:55 		Once I get access to my bankroll I think I am headed to FullTilt...rake back...points etc...
 
162R9
      ID: 259161621
      Mon, Oct 16, 2006, 23:18 		What website are you using for rakeback at FT KM? I tried PokerRakeRewards, but they never sent me my confirmation e-mail, and am thus unable to login there. Not a very auspicious beginning... ;)
 
163KM
      ID: 319311512
      Mon, Oct 16, 2006, 23:32 		www.rakebrain.com

Was confirmed in a day, just had to fill out a form.
 
164 R9
      ID: 309521621
      Mon, Oct 16, 2006, 23:52 		Thanks KM. I'm going to signup now, and I see they have a referral program. I'll put your name in if you want. Don't know what the bonuses are, but they can't be bad. ;) Post it here or e-mail me if you want me to.
 
165KM
      ID: 319311512
      Mon, Oct 16, 2006, 23:58 		Rakebrain does? Interesting, didn't notice that. Thanks for doing that.

Not sure how they ID me, but my screename is Poofler at FT and my registered email addy is chairmoon5@yahoo.com
 
166Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 10:15 		check out this bad beat...

I have Jd 4d

he has 10h 10s


I bet 3 dollars, he calls... flop..

Js 2d 7d

I bet 5 dollars... he goes all in for 40. I call

he hits trips on the turn and i miss my flush draw and lose...

f'ing BS as usual.
 
167beastiemiked
      ID: 36428317
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 13:22 		I love FT. Now that Party is gone I've been playing there full time. Been playing there for only 3 days and I'm already in the top 20 of their high SNG leaderboard. The ironman and Aussie freerolls(I'll be in Australia during the Aussie Millions) look pretty cool too. Not to mention the 27% rb that's deposited directly into your account.
 
168Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 13:29 		what do you play?? Sit and go's... tourney's (how many people)

how many tables how much... what is SNG leaderboard?

Do the players just suck or soemthign?
 
169R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 14:08 		That just happens Deadeye.

Last night I was playing poker with my friends for 20$ each in a SNG format. I had 67s and called a preflop raise, flop comes 267, the 2 is of my suit. He has KK (neither of my suit) and bets the pot, I call. Turn is a 3, my suit also, and he moves all-in. Easy call. He hits his one-outer on the river to steal the pot and knock me out. What can ya do? Thats poker.
 
170KM
      ID: 319311512
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 14:33 		He's got 7 outs there, but I presume you mean he hit his non-your-suited K? Another 2 or 3 gets you too, and getting counterfeited by a clueless aggro is so much more irritating than the 'f--- the odds' call all in with flush draw guys.
 
171Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 15:05 		top pair and flush draw and I'd been taking his money and he'd been cursing at me all day long...

after he won he said i sucked bla bla bla...
 
172Deadeye
      ID: 45929912
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 15:06 		happens to me all the time... i was playing HU for 50

and I had similiar situation. I hit 2 pair he had highest pair on the board. I bet on turn he goes all in. I call he gets his out and takes 50 from me.
 
173KM
      ID: 319311512
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 15:29 		I've got a general proposition for the new FTP players:

Those of you using pocketracker, any interest in sharing databases going forward? This might be pointless if we all play different limits, and lighter players would certainly be benefiting more than heavy players, but I just thought I'd throw the idea out there.
 
174J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 17:13 		I'm an idiot with a question.

Back in my poker playing days I used PokerStars. After I stopped playing I let my roommate use my account, with his own money.

I have since moved and without thinking that he still had money in there...I deleted Pokerstars off my computer. Can I just download, reinstall the program and pull his money out easily? Or with all this shutdown of gambling sites is this gonna be difficult????
 
175KM
      ID: 319311512
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 17:21 		The account is still there, deleting did nothing to your account. You can re-install the software, and log in like usual and you'll find all the money he left is still there.
 
176R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 20:25 		#170, indeed, I forgot to include CF outs. He did indeed hit his K though.

J, you know he went broke. Stop getting your hopes up. :p

KM, I'm game for FT database sharing. Don't know what limits you play, but once I get my cashout from Pacific I plan on .05/1$ NL, 1/2 NL and maybe some 2/4 NL.
 
177KM
      ID: 319311512
      Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 22:49 		I've been playing some limit and PLO to get my BR up (spent most of it recently). Limit is less profitable than NL for my time, but it tends to provide more consistency when a few bad beats in NL could break me. Omaha, as someone mentioned before, is full of people who just simply can't play that game. People with 2nd or 3rd nut hands go absolutely crazy, when the odds someone really does have the nuts are MUCH higher in Omaha. So far it's been much more profitable than NL. I plan to switch to NL in a week or so, and I'd be playing the same limits as you R9, so I'm definitely up for a database swap.
 
178ChicagoTRS
      Leader
      ID: 566152116
      Wed, Oct 18, 2006, 14:34 		going to start a new thread...