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Subject: Lost - Season 3

Posted by: RecycledSpinalFluid - Dude [204401122] Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 01:15

To (semi-)quote Jack: "I think I'm going to have to watch that again..." before making comments.

One thing...was there commercial breaks every 7 minutes or so? That was annoying.

Boxman
ID: 4192624
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 06:24

One thing...was there commercial breaks every 7 minutes or so?

Yes there were and funny you mention it because I was thinking about posting about it while I was watching the episode.

C1-NRB
ID: 5131158
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 10:50

I thought I was hitting the fast forward button more than usual.

Challenger
Sustainer
ID: 481126818
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 13:20

"Lost" was on last night?!!? Man, I thought it was just an hour of commercials. I was wondering why Jack, Kate, & Sawyer keep popping up in so many ads!

I agree, extremely annoying leaving us hard to get into any rythmn of enjoyment before being annoyed again. I guess I'll just watch the recordings and wear out the ff button.

Interesting question Sawyer had though, about how many bears? Could be taken as caged bears obtaining their treats orrrrr bears possibling still loose on the island. Now were those two polar bears killed in earlier episodes escapees, or let loose?

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 15:35

Sawyer didn't have the bandage that Kate or Jack had. Not sure what the signficance is. Maybe Kate's 2 unpleasant weeks will be losing Sawyer in some way, though I doubt they would kill him off.

Also, it seems they are setting up Jack to eventually be the tragic hero.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 17:05

Watched the first few (non commercial) minutes at lunch today. Found it interesting that after the "earthquake", the Others immediately came out and were all looking skyward. Not my immediate reaction to an earthquake.

katietx
ID: 357543117
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 18:20

I found that quite interesting as well. In addition, I noted that Gale remarked that "he wasn't in the book club anymore." An outsider even tho he appears to be the leader?

jimmy
Dude
ID: 349182621
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 18:39

"So I guess I'm out of the book club", probably a pun, meaning he'll be busy with the new arrivals?

Can see Jack and Juliet having a relationship

The first scene, Juliet appears ready to cry, but the song brightens her up (When you're alone
and life is making you lonely......)

Juliet was saying, "Here I am thinking that freedom of will actually exists on".......this island.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 20:33

I was thinking there was some relationship between Gale and Juliet... There certainly seems to be a little tension there... who's her Romeo? I was disppointed that she was able to knock Jack silly with a single blow. Also disappointed that Juliet didn't seem POed at Gale for kicking her to the curb TWICE.

As for the earthquake, might that have something to do with the electro-magnetic whatever-you-call-it that caused the plane crash?

It didn't seem to me that they were expecting the crash so I'm not sure why they would immediately look up... unless the sound of the plane made it obvious. I'm due for a rewatch...

Perm Dude
ID: 8931518
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 20:34

I thought there was a loud sound as soon as they started coming out of the buildings, and they were trying to locate the sound's source by looking up.

Tree
ID: 20923519
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 21:45

re: them looking up.

i think they were well aware of the effects of the electro magnetic waves that caused the ground to shake, and new a plane in the sky would break apart and crash, so that's what they were looking for.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Oct 05, 2006, 22:38

Tree,
Having watched the episode again, your thinking may be right. Gale/Ben surely seemed ready with a plan of action.

I thought it was interesting that they were able to amass that file on Jack. The Others aren't nearly as disconnected as I thought.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 14:03

Something that popped into my head last night:

In the previews for this weeks episode, Ben/Henry seems surprised the "Other's others" have a boat (the sailboat).

What I find interesting about this, is that its named "Elizabeth".

Now, thinking back to last season's finally, right before Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Hurley were zapped with the tazer-darts and taken captive, the "voices" of the jungle mutter "Elizabeth" a time or two.

Now, I always assumed the voices were somehow related to "The Others", but now I don't know. If they really didn't know about them having the sailboat, why would they have been muttering "Elizabeth"?

jimmy
ID: 52933812
Mon, Oct 09, 2006, 17:01

Whispers

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Wed, Oct 11, 2006, 22:27

Excellent 2nd episode. I thought it really made up for the lackluster premiere. What are the rules around here? Wait to talk about the episode until the PST episode is over at 12 eastern?

Tree
ID: 269351117
Wed, Oct 11, 2006, 23:13

well, i think it's ok to talk about after it airs on the east coast, and left coasters know not to come in.

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Wed, Oct 11, 2006, 23:20

WTF, cards game gets rained out and then I have to be reminded about the Bosox sweeping the Cardinals on Lost. Is Abrams a Red Sox fan or something?

Thought for a couple of seconds that Sayid had been compromised. Still might've been. His plan to wait in the forest when he knows the others have a boat seems a little fishy.

It was cool seeing Trixy from Deadwood make an appearance. Too bad she got shot by Sun. Me thinks her boyfriend isn't going to be too pleased about that.

Oh yeah, there's no way in hell Jack will ever go back into the real world. His life is the island.

jimmy
ID: 289111020
Wed, Oct 11, 2006, 23:25

Ben will need Jack's help, to save Colleen's life.

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Wed, Oct 11, 2006, 23:41

Most interesting aspects of episode 2:
Did Sun throw the dude out of the window?
Why is Sawyer such a badass?
What does Gale want Jack to do?
Will they finally start touching on the 'monster'?
It's almost impossible to believe that some black smoke ate the pilot.
Can't wait for next week.

deraynman
ID: 37811021
Wed, Oct 11, 2006, 23:48

Sun was crying at the funeral, so I think that tends to show she didn't kill him.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 00:16

That and the fact that he was clutching the pearls when he landed...

Gale - all his life?

And what's up with the 4-toed foot? Gonna love finding out about that one!

Tree
ID: 25936124
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 06:39

Did Sun throw the dude out of the window?

no, but i bet her dad had someone follow Jin just in case he didn't do the job.

Why is Sawyer such a badass?

because everyone loves a hunky bad ass, so Lost needed one.

What does Gale want Jack to do?

you mean Ben?

Will they finally start touching on the 'monster'?
It's almost impossible to believe that some black smoke ate the pilot.
Can't wait for next week.

yes. yes. and yes!

angryChair
Donor
ID: 98192416
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 11:09

Sun's lover sure resembles the Dharma Project's
leader....(the one on the video)

angryCHAIR
Donor
ID: 98192416
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 11:38

The episode reminded me a lot of the Planet of the
Apes....(circa the 1970's)

katietx
ID: 357543117
Thu, Oct 12, 2006, 12:48

because everyone loves a hunky bad ass, so Lost needed one

indeed! :D

jimmy
Dude
ID: 349182621
Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 10:50

U.S. & Canadian Promo video for "Further Instructions"

Challenger
Sustainer
ID: 481126818
Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 15:26

It was cool seeing Trixy from Deadwood make an appearance. Too bad she got shot by Sun. Me thinks her boyfriend isn't going to be too pleased about that.

I don't think that was her boyfriend whom she rec'd the kiss from. That was more like a father/daughter type kiss, peck on the cheek. Also, when she approached I believe she called him "Daddy". I replayed the moment several times and couldn't 100% determined whether it was Daddy or Danny. But remember him semi-charging Sawyer, more like a Daddy telling the bad boy stud to stay away protecting his daughter's virtuousness than a boyfriend/husband jealous charge, by asking Sawyer "what are you looking at?"

As far as Sun pushing Jin.... I agree she did it and Colleen under estimated Sun pulling the trigger. The two scenes were tied together.

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 15:38

I really don't think anyone pushed Jae. He was holding the necklace he was going to give Sun.

angryCHAIR
Donor
ID: 98192416
Fri, Oct 13, 2006, 16:45

.....or Sun was wearing it as she pushed him and he
grabbed at her, only getting the neclace.

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Sat, Oct 14, 2006, 21:15

re: 24
The music was VERY much like Jerry Goldsmith's music in Planet of the Apes...

katietx
ID: 357543117
Mon, Oct 16, 2006, 08:35

re 29: If he grabbed it off her neck it would have broken.

I think he committed suicide and had the necklace so Sun would possibly know.

jimmy
ID: 19311615
Tue, Oct 17, 2006, 21:46

10.17.06 Podcast , click Download

Explains Sun's affair with Jae, who's baby is it?

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 09:15

Not a bad episode....

I always enjoy episodes that focus on Locke and his "unsettled"
life.

Locke "The Hunter"? This was referenced a few times during the
episode and I failed to connect it to anything...... except his
thirst to "hunt" for what life is all about.

I loved Hurley's line after realizing Desmond was nude: "I'm not
alone!"

The commercials are killing me and the show a bit. ABC needs
to tone it down a bit on their ability to "hunt" for the allmighty
commercial dollar.

Wish I had TIVO so I could go back and watch tis episode again.
It seemed as Locke came out of the swaet lodge that their was
an image....

aC

Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 16:26

Wen Locke started out of the lodge he transitioned from a tiger to plain old Locke.

Interesting that Locke builds a "pagan" sweat lodge in the center of the church Eko was building and receives the revelation to go find the born-again Eko. Not sure what they are getting at, but interesting.

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 16:37

It was a polar bear not a tiger.

Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 17:14

You're right ksoze. Looking at it again, though, I'm not sure if Locke transformed from the bear, or he was fleeing it when he left.

katietx
ID: 357543117
Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 18:56

I saw fleeing rather than transforming.

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 20:12

abc.com has the episode if you guys want to check it out again.

Interesting line by the cop something like "Locke, you are not a murderer". Very similar to the line that Trixy said to Sun right before Sun shot her.

Looks like they introduced 2 other randoms. Surpisingly, both are good looking. That flight was somehow loaded with only good looking people and Hurley.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Fri, Oct 20, 2006, 22:56

sorry for the typos/misspellings in my last post...I need to
proofread.!

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Wed, Oct 25, 2006, 18:09

I think the biggest thing tonight will be what Ben shows Sawyer on the top of the mountain. I've read alot of predictions, some good and some bad. Good thing season 1 Locke the hunter is back. I liked him better than season 2 Locke.

katietx
ID: 109442515
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 14:29

Hmmm, I wasn't really that impressed with the fact that they are on two different islands. More so that "somebody" has a tumor on their spine and that's why Jack was kidnapped. Still not sure why Kate/Sawyer were taken though.

And, what's up with Desmond's lightening experiment?

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 15:13

The best part of every episode is the next weeks preview. A guy with an eyepatch? Who/What could it be? Other others? Radzinsky?

The lightening experiment was performed so that the lightening wouldn't hit Claire's roof since she decided not to move. It was just another example of Desmond seeing the future.

Tree
ID: 1411442914
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 15:41

i'm betting the guy with the eyepatch is either Alvar Hanso or Marvin Candle/Mark Wickmund.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 19:50

I found the "the subs back" from early to also be very interesting and very brushed over.

Other intriging line was Ben saying to Sawyer that he was a good con, but they are better, right after revealing the other island. Now, was he just talking the pace-maker con or was he talking about even larger schemes? I going for larger scale, as that line would be wasted on just the PM.

tastethewaste
ID: 556591421
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 21:16

Is anyone else tired of Ben saying they are the good guys and they dont kill anyone. If i recall Ethan killed some guy named scott and hung charlie from a tree, they kidnapped and/or killed 90% of the people from the tail section, are using sawyer and kate as slaves, kidnapped walt, blew up their boat and left them to drown, imprisoned jack to get him to save one of their own, and pretended to put a pacemaker in sawyer and then beat the hell out of him.

What do the others expect when they are terrorizing these poor people who crashed on the island at no fault of their own?

Tree
ID: 59302619
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 21:44

my guess is that there is at least one other group of Others, and compared to them, these Others are the good guys.

i'm also thinking that some things, like ben saying "i've lived on this island my whole life," are going to be huge.

remember that kid in the cage that escaped? late teens, early 20s? i'm betting he was one of the children walking around, toting a teddy bear, in an episode last season, and some of the experimentation going on is genetic, and plays with age.

Ben was probably only "born" a few years ago.

tastethewaste
ID: 556591421
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 21:52

well we know already ethan is one of the others that we know about. We know Tom/zeke is one of the others that we know about, we know the guy who beat up sawyer is one of the others we know about. These three have not done anything for the survivors of the plane crash but cause terror.

I figured the kid who escaped from his cell is also one of the others who may be nicer. That girl Alex was looking for him and she seems to be the only one with a heart...of course we also know she was taken by the others.

Tree
ID: 59302619
Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 22:07

yep. Alex is Rousseau's daughter.

interesting to note that the show has a Locke, a Rousseau, and a Hume, who were three of the main philosophers in the Englightment movement.

i've also read that the first season took place over 42 days, and that the second season took place over 23.

think this season will take place over 16 days? :o)

tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 13:41

Yes Im aware that Alex is rousseaus daughter and aware of the philosphers names, and aware how many days theyve been on the island.

So are you tired of them stating that they are good guys?

angryCHAIR
Donor
ID: 98192416
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 13:48

Tree: Nice inference...I like it.

The show feels a bit stagnant to me as well. The
"Sawyer gets beat up" scenes are becoming redundant.

The tumor on the spine scene immediately made me
think it was Ben's. The dude does not look healthy.

Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 13:48

no, not really. it's part of an evolving storyline. remember - there are plenty of people in this world who do bad things who consider themselves "good guys"...

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 14:35

I would say the spinal x-rays have the least chance of being Ben's just becasue they inferred it was his in the preview.

This is my first time watching the show on TV and I liked the 2nd and 4th episodes of the season. It seems like it's moving a little slow though. Is this how it always is? I was thinking they're just slowly building up to the big "jump the shark" moment in episode 6.

ukula
ID: 59392712
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 14:39

Re: 51

Why did George W Bush pop into my mind?

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 14:54

This season has been alright. The flashbacks just haven't really done it for me this season. None of them, except Sun's, have really brought anything new to the table. Now we have only two episodes left before the blackout period, sigh.

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 16:00

That's a menacing figure. Is this video live? Maybe he has the sickness?

Boxman
ID: 4590254
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 08:13

Yeah, the red "x" inside a white box scares the s#it out of me too.

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 11:57

It's not showing up anymore, you have to right click on it and choose view image.

katietx
ID: 109442515
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 12:23

shows up fine for me...

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 13:38

I have a MacBook and can't see it either.

katietx
ID: 109442515
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 22:10

And the black smoke is back. Hate it that Eko is gone. :-(

Tree
ID: 301047118
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 22:20

and holy crap, what a final 10 minutes!

tommyd7878
ID: 16728922
Wed, Nov 01, 2006, 22:23

It's great ebing in Canada and having the ending cut off by AS(freaking)N.

katietx
ID: 109442515
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 00:13

tommy...you can watch the entire episode at ABC.com

Boxman
ID: 49101015
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 06:32

It's great ebing in Canada and having the ending cut off by AS(freaking)N.

I believe you can also watch Lost episodes on iTunes if that works for you as well.

I have a similar problem in Chicago. I record Lost on my DVR and everytime the preview for next week gets cut off. I have to go back, rewind the DVR, and watch the preview. If I didn't record it, Comcast just glosses over it completely and goes to the next show.

Mr. Eko dying follows their whole "get busted with the law in Hawaii and you're gone" trend.

Lost is so full of twists and turns that I'm not sure what to take at face value anymore. When Juliet was speaking with Jack over the movie, I wasn't sure to believe the video she was playing or what was coming out of her mouth.

Ben Linus came too clean with Jack saying that they tried to break him and how they planned on doing it. I think what Ben told Sawyer about them being great cons is true. Jack is still getting conned although Ben's x-rays could be legit.

If this is legit, boy does Jack have The Others by the balls now. I'd operate on Ben and save his life, provided they got me and all of my friends off the island and back to civilization safely.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 10:07

Sorry to request this, but I missed last night's LOST episode (my 3
year old has strep and a double ear infection)....

Could some one gove me a brief synopsis......

If not I will try to get it off of iTunes.

Thansk a lot, aC

Salt Bandit
ID: 218302714
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 11:30

angryChair -
Here's an episode recap. You can also watch the whole episode for free on abc.com (or iTunes, but you may have to pay for that, I'm not sure).

Boxman -
Do you have Tivo? You can set it to record an extra few minutes at the end of shows. I do it for most shows that don't have another show recording directly afterwords. I would guess most other DVRs have a similar feature...

angryCHAIR
Donor
ID: 98192416
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 13:22

thanks SB

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 17:41

Unfortunately I was unable to record it last night to watch again today at lunch, but my thoughts:

1.) Ben/Juliet are playing/conning Jack. And if Jack can't see through that, then he hasn't learned anything about them.

2.) Eko dieing sucks bong water. A serious reason for me to lose interest in the show is killing off interesting characters and replace them with these two twits, Nikki and Paulo.

3.) Nikki and Paulo are twits. Poorly incorporated so far.

4.) Eko has had a rough week. Knocked out from trying to open the hatch, hatch imploding on him, polar bears munching on him and finally black smoke kicking his ass.

angryCHAIR
Donor
ID: 98192416
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 13:47

Saw it finally on abc.com.

As usual, any episode with Eko is a good one. I, too,
hope he is not forever gone.

I found the final scene with his "brother" disturbing. The
so called "brother's" exspression was cold and evil. His
expression when Eko said he would not confess seem
to greatly disturb his brother. It seem to raise up the
anger in him. (and the black smoke)

" What makes you think I am your brother?" (said by
Eko's brother) lead me to feel he was "the black
smoke" embodied in his form.

I must admit, Eko's rationalization of his past actions
was very valid.

Again, I hope he stays around.

RSF: I total agree of your assessment of Nikki and
Paulo thus far.

boikin
ID: 59831214
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 13:56

i hope that eko does return he was one of my favorite characters and pretty much got the same feelings about the episode as you did AC.

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 14:06

Nikki and Paulo = worthless. It's amazing though. I would never imagine one plane would have so many good looking people present.

I knew Eko was a goner when I saw he was scheduled to appear on Regis and Kelly Thursday morning. It's the kiss of death for Lost characters.

I think we can take away that some of these 'visions' that people are having are actually the black smoke taking form. This could explain Eko's brother, Jack's dad, Kate's horse, Hurley's Dave, and Shannon seeing Walt. The last episode of this was the closest they came to confirming this with Yemi leaving and the smoke monster appearing immediately thereafter.

The best part of the episode was the Jack/Juliet/Ben interaction where it seems like there is something fishy going on. I think this is a big con being set up by Ben and Juliet. If Ben has a tumor, Juliet could just wait it out. It just seems like this is part of a bigger plan for Jack.

angryCHAIR
Donor
ID: 98192416
Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 14:33

I, at first, thought the X-ray was Ben's, but not I wonder if
it might be Jack's, Sawyer's, or Kate's since they all are
unsure of what hey have gone thru as captives of the
Others.

I, still, think the black smoke was taking Yemi's form.
The look on his face (while in the Ginger field) was
different than the other times we have seen him. It was
pure evil.

Addicted
Dude
ID: 4611592518
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 05:00

With Mr Eko's death, Bernard is the only remaining tailie. I expect Bernard and Rose to die sometime during this season.

--Addicted--

Boxman
ID: 49101015
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 07:14

Salt Bandit: Do you have Tivo? You can set it to record an extra few minutes at the end of shows. I do it for most shows that don't have another show recording directly afterwords. I would guess most other DVRs have a similar feature...

No. I have two Comcast DVRs. I had a TiVo but pitched it after Comcast offered a DVR service with a cheaper monthly fee. The price I pay I suppose...

RSF: Nikki and Paulo are twits. Poorly incorporated so far.

While true, I think it would be equally foolish if they just assumed control of things while Jack, Sawyer and Kate are away. Better to blend them in slowly, but Paulo looks like a pud. Nikki is much more promising.

Addicted: With Mr Eko's death, Bernard is the only remaining tailie.

Excellent point. I did not even realize that until you mentioned it. I would be curious if the podcast I subscribe to (LOSTCasts) mentions that fact this week.

At what point do things start going well for the Losties? I mean how much of an ass kicking can these people take without fighting back? The Others always seem to have an advantage over them and now The Island kills Eko. At what point does Hurley say, "Dude, lock and load.!"

DMAN
ID: 92582611
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 12:41

Boxman - you can record extra minutes with the Comcast DVR as well.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 13:07

Salt Bandit:

Where'd you get the moniker? It's cool.

Boxman
ID: 49101015
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 15:00

Boxman - you can record extra minutes with the Comcast DVR as well.

It does record, but the problem is that the video skips at the end of the recording so I don't see it initially. I have to go back, rewind, and watch it again. Then it comes across just fine.

Rendle
ID: 9826411
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 17:26

What do you guys think will be the big moment at the end of episode 6 that will tie you over for 12 weeks til the February return? My buddies and I have been throwing around a couple ideas:

1) Kate has been compromised. She hasn't seemed right in season 3. She was captured in season 2 by the others and she had that that conversation on the beach with Ben. She may have cut a deal similar to what Michael did.

2) They were supposed to land on the island but ended up crashing when Desmond didn't push the button in time. Locke and Sayed will find a runway on the island they were supposed to land on. They were out in the middle of no where, flying low when the plane did break apart, and the pilots aren't around to confirm or deny anything. It did seem at the beginning of episode 3 that the others were expecting them. Ben sent out Ethan and the other dude to get lists so they could figure out who survived and what side of the island they were on.

What do you guys think?

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 18:23

1. The problem with Kate being compromised is that the other have nothing she could want. Her personality up to this point is totally the opposite of somebody that would cut a deal. I do think Ben saying that "The next 2 weeks are going to be rough" gives it a little water. For example, she has to face Jack and Sawyer when they find out that she is a traitor.

2. Haven't heard this one before. Seems possible and the fact that all the survivors are all connected makes it more possible that it wasn't coincidence that they "crashed" there.

I think I would prefer the first one. Seeing the look on Jack and Sawyer's face would be good TV. Also, Jack better not fall for the back surgery con. He's been great this season and I would hate for him to start sucking again.

Bond, James Bond
ID: 501010420
Sat, Nov 04, 2006, 22:32

One point that hasn't been made that needs to be understood is that the man playing the character Mr. Eko actually asked to be killed off the show. It has nothing to do with his problems in Hawaii or even with his character development.

Sometimes real life plays a key role in the life of a character. I believe he is from London--an interjection in the storyline between him and his brother--in real life and desired to be written off to deal with the grief of the loss of both of his parents last year and to begin directing or producing movies.

Mr. Eko will be missed but if Lost can keep adding interesting, albeit different, characters then losing a semi-major cog of the show won't be all that bad IMHO.

jimmy
Dude
ID: 349182621
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 00:49

Sneak Peak "I DO" "We're done here"

beastiemiked
ID: 36428317
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 02:48

Awesome scene. Watched it twice already, gave me chill both times.

I'm assuming next week is going to be a Kate centric flashback.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 10:33

very impressive promo

Rand
Donor
ID: 083231216
Sun, Nov 05, 2006, 22:17

Part of me feels angry that Eko is gone. I would love to have seen him destroy the others. But maybe that's the problem, having Eko on the Lost team would have maybe made it a little too easy.

Salt Bandit
ID: 218302714
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 10:23

Thanks angryChair. My freshman year of college, I used to make drawings using salt when I was hanging out with friends in the dining hall. They started out pretty simple, but as they got more complicated, my friends joked that I should sign them and gave me the nickname Salt Bandit as a pseudonym to sign.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Mon, Nov 06, 2006, 23:59

SB: great story

Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 12:38

What about Eko moving the stone blocking his brother's "tomb" and finding the body gone. Gee, where have I heard that before? Does this stuff mean something regarding the island, or is it just a red herring?

Boxman
ID: 47922511
Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 13:19

Very cool music video about Lost.

Demons

ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 06:09

So now it's Prison Break...

Tree
ID: 41103995
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 06:40

katietx
ID: 91044913
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 14:47

Um, yeah?

Last night was kick ass! Kate & Sawyer doing the nasty; Jack agreeing to operate and then turning the tables; something written on Ecko's staff...wowza.

At least we get to see some teasers for Feb. during the new show that's taking its place.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 17:21

I think all the rock and flora clearing being done by Sawyer et al
is for a landing pad.

Kate said to Jack that whatever it is it is really big. (or was that to
Sawyer? Sorry, bad joke)

Also, the dude who always wants to kick Sawyer's butt said two
interesting things:

1) When talking to Juliet he said "but I thought he said 2
weeks"..What was that in regard too?

2) As he was heading to shoot Sawyer he said something about
a guy named Casey(????) wanting them to wait to do this.

C1-NRB
ID: 24954318
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 17:49

I thought I heard the phrase "He wasn't on Jacob's list" in reference to Sawyer. Do I just not remember who 'Jacob' is?

Tree
ID: 491039916
Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 17:56

that's not what Danny said.

he said "Sheppard wasn't even on Jacob's list."

Sheppard is Jack.

not sure who Jacob is, but one of the members of the Board of Directors of the Hanso foundation is named Jacob Vanderfield.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Sat, Nov 25, 2006, 11:16

Anyone seen any of the previews for the upcoming episodes?

Thanks.

jimmy
Dude
ID: 349182621
Sun, Nov 26, 2006, 18:34

No previews yet, but found the following.

Latest Spoilers from Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof

Want answers? You'll get 'em (maybe) When LOST returns from a hiatus on February 7, fans will get 16 consecutive episodes, as well as the scoop on Jacks tattoos, Locke's wheelchair, and Desmond's creepy clairvoyance, which exec producer Damon Lindelof says factors "big-time" into the remainder of season 3. A preview of some other burning questions:

Is mutinous Others doc Juliet a friend to the castaways- or a foe?
"Her agenda is more in line with the castaways than we originally suspected, but that does not mean she is not sinister", says Lindelof. FYI, the Feb 7 episode is all about Juliet.

The Hatch "imploded," according to Locke. Case closed?
NOPE, says Lindelof. "Definitely more to this story. You will get a better picture of what happened when Desmond turned the fail-safe-key."

How will Sawyer and Kate escape Others Island?
Of course, the showrunners wouldn't tell us- but exec producer Carleton Cuse allows, "You heard correctly: The others do have a submarine."

Who is "Jacob" and why is Jack not on his "list"?
"The answer lies further downstream in the ongoing story", says Cuse. A clue? Lindelof reminds fans that character names in Lost are not assigned without reason, YES! that is a clue.
Source: The Fuselage

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Nov 26, 2006, 21:50

Lost promo #1

Lost promo #2

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 01:14

ABC is moving Lost out of the way of the American Idol juggernaut, according to Variety.

The network unveiled a January schedule that has the Wednesday drama moving back an hour to 10 p.m. when it returns Feb. 7.

This marks the third timeslot for the show in as many years - ensuring that the series will not have to compete with the popular Fox reality show.

A year ago, Lost had respectable ratings at 9 p.m. during the fall but took a notable ratings hit once American Idol returned in January. The series has since held steady in the ratings, but ABC executives don't want to risk further slippage.

In addition to shielding Lost from American Idol, ABC is also protecting it from rising CBS drama Criminal Minds and NBC's Deal or No Deal, which moves into the 9 p.m. Wednesday slot next month.

ABC has decided to place two comedies in the Wednesdays at 9 p.m. slot to compete directly with American Idol ... Knights of Prosperity will air Wednesdays at 9 p.m. and In Case of Emergency at 9:30.
link

Lost preview #3

Lost preview #4

jimmy
Dude
ID: 349182621
Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 15:42

Lost preview #5

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 17:47

Definitely the most interesting preview yet.

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threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 19:38

ok then... i'll go watch the magic/bobcat game right now!

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beastiemiked
ID: 1110451019
Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 23:39

Jack is such a badass this season.

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Sat, Jan 20, 2007, 12:13

The producers of Lost are now talking to ABC about coming up with and endpoint of the show to better plan out the final seasons. They're talking about doing possibly 5 but maybe ABC will ask for a couple more with the show still being very popular. They're also talking about just doing 22 straight episodes next season like 24. I'd think this would be better as the mini run wasn't very eventful.

I read the synopsis for the next episode "Not in Portland" and it definitely sounds like a good one.

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Uptown Bombers
Donor
ID: 35616416
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 17:27

BUTT

New episode tonight. Everyone excited?

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beastiemiked
ID: 3101646
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 17:33

Saw the 1st 2 minutes or so on ABC. Looks good.

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RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 19:30

Only thing I'm not anticipating is the 10 PM start time. Not a big deal though since I don't go to bed until midnight anyway, but...

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allhair allstars
ID: 4311262019
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 19:33

Just glad that bogus split season break is over...

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Thu, Feb 08, 2007, 11:56

Good opening episode...starting to get some questions answered...

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Feb 08, 2007, 15:13

I can't believe he fell for the wookie prisoner thing.

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C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sun, Feb 11, 2007, 13:02

I can't believe Mac from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" was reading "A Brief History of Time" or that he fell for the wookie prisoner trick.

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Sarava
ID: 215537
Mon, Feb 12, 2007, 18:34

LOST the final episode

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Tree
ID: 56161416
Wed, Feb 14, 2007, 23:00

Holy effing swerve.

at some point in the episode, i'm thinking..."whoa - they're setting Claire up to die..."

but it wasn't Claire.

wow. what an amazing episode.

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Feb 15, 2007, 10:58

Agree! I was just "holy sh$t" when it was finished.

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, Feb 15, 2007, 14:43

i pretty much said "holy $hit" at every commercial break!

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Feb 15, 2007, 15:13

Great episode - very Donnie Darko-esque. The producers said it was a different kind of episdoe, kinda like 'The Other 48 Days' was different. I was really disappointed with the mini run in the fall but these last 2 episodes have really been entertaining. Can't wait for Jack's episode next week. Looks like we're gonna find out the meaning of his tatoos and a couple other mysteries.

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Feb 15, 2007, 19:32

I'd like to find his tattoos...er, the meaning of his tattoos. ;-)

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Fri, Feb 23, 2007, 22:46

well the first 2 episodes were great, but i really didnt get why we needed a whole episode dedicated to the meaning of jacks tattoo. They couldve summed that up in one sentence instead of basing a whole episode around it.

That cheesy ending of looking up at the stars was the worst ive seen out of the show. I hope it was just a bump in the road, but what was the deal with Jack being so maniacal about getting a tattoo. He was screaming at her. I know he was trying to find himself and all, but that was a little over the top.

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 13:36

I think it was done to show the "other" side of Jack. IMO his character has been a bit complacent (except during the surgery on Ben) and this episode pulled away from the passive/agressive crap.

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threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 17:19

bai ling?

?????

who's the next guest appearance on lost? lindsay lohan?

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Boxman
ID: 211139621
Sat, Feb 24, 2007, 18:12

Sawyer stole the show again.

"Show me the way to go home. I'm tired and I want to go to bed........"

10 years from now, he's the charater we talk about along with Jack. Jack will be a lot like Sam Malone from Cheers, but Sawyer will be Norm, the one everyone remembers. Kinda like Kramer with Seinfeld.

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Sun, Feb 25, 2007, 04:04

Cheech Marin will be the next guest appearnace...this week on the Hurley flashback episode. Tricia Takanawa is Dead.

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ukula
ID: 45245112
Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 13:47

Anyone else feel that last night's episode was extremely boring with a lot of bad acting?

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 13:48

you're kidding, right?

last night's was one of the best episodes this season. it was certainly the funniest episode.

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 15:50

I agree with Tree (need to stop this!). I think it gave a great insight into Hurley and a few others.

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boikin
ID: 59831214
Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 16:09

I think i am going to side with Rendle on this one i was really disappionted in this episode it remind me of those episodes show would do with either the may charheter is "on a business trip" or when dramas would do a light episode. I am also not sure what new insite we got into Hurley's charhter the time would have been better spent on some one we knew less about.

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RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 16:48

Its funny how split people are over this epi.

I liked it. Entertaining enough.

Are the writer just forcing us to hate Paulo and Nickie with their forced/poor dialogs?

And I've come to hit the mute button for the "next week previews". The crap spewing from the announcer gets old.

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Mar 01, 2007, 17:00

ukula disliked last nights episode. I thought it was great after last weeks godawful episode. Sawyer had like 50 good lines. At this point the flashbacks just seem like filler. For the characters who have been there since the beginning, what else is there to find out about them? Juliet and Desmond's episodes were easily the best of season 3 thus far.

The producers are hyping next weeks Sayid episode as a big one in terms of getting answers. They said they were disappointed in how ABC promotes the show sometimes. ABC promised 3 big mysteries would be revealed for Jack's episode and there was only one, the tattoos, which weren't very interesting at all.

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boikin
ID: 59831214
Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 11:55

Are the writer just forcing us to hate Paulo and Nickie with their forced/poor dialogs? i think you may be on to somethign there.

I am looking forward to the Sayid episode. I have to say him and Desomd are favorite charhters and usually any episodes that focus on them are usually really good.

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C1-NRB
ID: 24954318
Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 13:13

Watched the tape last night. Laughed so hard we had to pause and back-up. "You call it 'Little House'"? But as far as an "insightful" episode-nah; it was mostly filler.

Did anyone catch the (almost) Family Guy reference with Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa? When a show can reference (even almost) another show from another network I always get a giggle.

i.e. When Dwight from The Office looked into the camera and said, "Remember on Lost when they meet the Others?" as they entered the warehouse.

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Savara
ID: 51246320
Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 22:23

Next week's episode
Enter 77 Sneak Peak 1
Enter 77 Sneak Peek 2

A couple episode's away, episode (S3E14-Expos) will contain flashbacks that will center around Nikki and Paulo. While even Lindelof acknowledges that Nikki and Paulo are "universally despised" by fans, that's going to change, he vows: "We had a plan when we introduced them, and we didn't get to fully execute that plan. But when the plan is executed, Nikki and Paulo will be iconic characters on the show."

They seem to be a couple that had met prior to the crash, and the meeting was under unlikely circumstances. Since the crash, Nikki and Paulo have had more important things to do, while others have been traipsing thru the island.

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RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 15:34

Lock, the Mighty Station Destroyer...man.

Glad to see a reprieve from the "name calling". Seems the last week or two they've almost gone overboard on the quantity. Not saying they weren't great, but just seemed to stereotype him too much, and I don't think Sawyer really fits a stereotype. Still loving last week's epi where Hurley calls him "you red neck man"...and yet when Paulo tries it, it comes off stupid.

This got me thinking, the whole "what were Sawyer and Kate working on while hauling rocks" thing has never been explored. I wonder if that isn't related to the map in the "hippie van"?

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Savara
ID: 102441021
Sun, Mar 11, 2007, 10:41

Lost - Par Avion - Sneak Peek
" The John Locke I know is paralyzed"

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 00:23

Sooooo, Claire is Jack's sis. Another oh sh$t moment.

134

Bond, James Bond
ID: 532231421
Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 18:41

Well...half-sister anyway. Looking back, I guess it was good after all that Jack wasn't around to deliver Claire's baby, huh? ;)

This Locke character is really something isn't he? First, he "finds" the hatch, destroys said hatch, destroys the so-called Dharma substation last week and now causes the death of another rival without a hint of remorse. What happened to the "man of faith"? Or is he who we've believed him to be all this time?

Meanwhile, Jack's playing football with the Others? LOL

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RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 19:24

My damned DVD Recorder went on the fritz at 45 after and wiped out the whole recording. Ugh...now I have to watch it on the computer.

That Tom, he's first round material if there ever was...

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Bond, James Bond
ID: 532231421
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 00:09

More rambling thoughts.....

I like how Lost is finally recapturing some of the magic it had in Season 1. It may be too late for some but I still look forward to each episode. I thoroughly enjoy the flashback scenes and seeing Claire in black hair??? Hot!

Now for a few questions that I have that I hope someone can help answer:

Jack's dad has now been connected to Jack (obviously), Ana Lucia, Sawyer and now Claire. Is that more than just a concidence? And doesn't Mr. Friendly look like he actually may be his brother? Could Jack be playing catch with his uncle?

Furthermore, why is Desmond so intent on saving Charlie's life? If he knows so much about the future, does he already know whether they will all be saved or not?

And what happened to the mystery surrounding Claire's baby, Aaron? Didn't the psychic dude figure there would be nothing but evil around him? Seems like a normal baby to me.

Lastly, since we know that the Others and the Dharma people are totally different, who is the other person that the Eyepatch dude was referring to since it apparently isn't Ben?

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 08:55

Sooooo, Claire is Jack's sis. Another oh sh$t moment.

half sister, and not really a big holy $hit moment. they'd alluded to it in previous episodes, when we found out Jack's dad had a daughter in Australia.

This Locke character is really something isn't he? First, he "finds" the hatch, destroys said hatch, destroys the so-called Dharma substation last week and now causes the death of another rival without a hint of remorse. What happened to the "man of faith"? Or is he who we've believed him to be all this time?

Locke's life is better on the island. so he's doing what he can to stay there.

that being said, next week looks to be what i believe is the most anticipated episode in the history of the series - who is john locke, and how did he end up in that chair?

I like how Lost is finally recapturing some of the magic it had in Season 1. It may be too late for some but I still look forward to each episode. I thoroughly enjoy the flashback scenes and seeing Claire in black hair??? Hot!

teenage goth Claire is the absolute hotness. if it wasn't an adult playing that role, i'd be disgusted with myself.

Jack's dad has now been connected to Jack (obviously), Ana Lucia, Sawyer and now Claire. Is that more than just a concidence? And doesn't Mr. Friendly look like he actually may be his brother? Could Jack be playing catch with his uncle?

Christian is definitely an intriguing character, and you have to wonder what misdeeds he did that caused him to booze and drug it up for much of his life, to the point where he botched surgery and ultimately, ODed. was he somehow involved in the Dharma Initiative?

on an interesting side note, "Mr. Friendly," as you call him, is named Tom. When Christian hired Ana-Lucia to be his bodyguard, they didn't use real names. he called her "Sarah", the name of his daughter-in-law. What did Ana-Lucia call Christian? why, Tom, of course.

regarding Tom - there's also a suspicion he's gay. when Kate told him she wasn't taking a shower in front of him, he responded with "that's ok. you're not my type."

and regarding Jack being with the Others. he might have decided his life is better there, instead of being forced to fight for survival every day on the other part of the island. he might have just given in, so he could get home. he might have given up, and joined them. or, maybe he was brainwashed.

or maybe he's playing them for fools, waiting for his moment. SO many options.

Furthermore, why is Desmond so intent on saving Charlie's life? If he knows so much about the future, does he already know whether they will all be saved or not?

he's already said that his seer ability doesn't work like that. he gets dreams/visions for particular things.

maybe he's saving Charlie because he knows he's a key to all of them surviving? or, maybe he just values human life.

interestingly, Desmond's last words to Jack, back on the mainland, were "See you in another life, brother."

And what happened to the mystery surrounding Claire's baby, Aaron? Didn't the psychic dude figure there would be nothing but evil around him? Seems like a normal baby to me.

i bet we learn more, and i think somehow Walt is involved, especially since the producers have said that Walt and Michael will return.

Lastly, since we know that the Others and the Dharma people are totally different, who is the other person that the Eyepatch dude was referring to since it apparently isn't Ben?

i'm gonna go with Alvar Hanso or Charles Widmore, and i think we'll see a lot more of that jackass, because a possible cliffhanger in my mind is Penny Widmore showing up on the island at the end of the season.

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Rand
Donor
ID: 083231216
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:33

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 09:39

I'm curious if someone could help explain why the losties were leaving the compound without the saddled horse? Wouldn't having a horse be quite helpful? I'm just confused why a horse would be introduced and then forgotten about it. OR did I miss something, or did the horse just explode with the compound?

1. if you're sneaking around, a horse tends to make a lot more noise than a person.

2. When Sayid walked past the horse, he stared at it intently. he later revealed that the stirrups on the saddle were too high for a tall man like eye-patch guy to be riding, so that was how he concluded eye-patch guy was not alone.

i think that was the significance of the horse.

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ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 20:16

Re: Jack with the others... I read the following on another blog but have not been able to confirm it myself, anyone have the episode recorded and can watch the football throwing scene again?

In the final seconds of this week's episode, Jack is shown to have a brand new forearm-area tattoo. Either the "hostiles" or "others" have a tattoo parlor with a much accomplished artist, or this is Jack's "twin".

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Rendle
ID: 31221520
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 23:14

same tattoo

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ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 12:30

Ah, nice find Rendle, thanks.

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Rendle
ID: 172261711
Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 17:12

Read the synopsis for tomorrow's episode. Sounds very solid with a huge bomb for an ending. Every episode since the hiatus has been pretty good except Jack's episode which was pretty horrible.

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 13:23

WHAT? No comments on last night? Awesome, awesome episode. A few holy s#$t moments, altho the ending was a bit anti-climatic since we all KNEW who was behind the door.

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Boxman
ID: 251142612
Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 13:27

That was an episode and a half. That's all I can really say for now.

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Rendle
ID: 172261711
Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 16:37

Yeah, last night's episode brings up alot of interesting points.

1) I am about 95% sure that Cooper is the real Sawyer.

2) Ben confirmed with his box analogy that the island can manifest things.

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 17:22

Yet I wonder why it hasn't "manifested" him (Ben) cured? Altho he could be faking for a very specific reason, couldn't he?

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Rendle
ID: 172261711
Thu, Mar 22, 2007, 17:28

Yeah, Locke got the upperhand on Ben when he told him that's why you're in a wheelchair and I'm not regarding to the way he lived. Maybe he was on to something.

My guess is that Ben was lying when he said that the island isn't reachable since the anomaly. It could be the complete opposite where it is now reachable due to the guys at the arctic station finding something at the end of season 2.

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Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 13:46

Rendle: I am about 95% sure that Cooper is the real Sawyer.

What do you mean? Maybe I missed something last episode.

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beastiemiked
ID: 3101646
Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 13:54

From wikipedia(highly recommend it to anyone that may have forgotten anything about the characters):

Native of Knoxville, Tennessee, and born around 1968, Sawyer — real name James Ford — is a con artist. He has taken on the alias of a con man known as "Sawyer" who was responsible for the destruction of his family.

The original Sawyer had an affair with the young James Ford's mother in order to con his family out of their life savings. This prompted James's father to commit murder-suicide on himself and James's mother. James dropped out of school in 9th grade.

Although vowing revenge on the original Sawyer, James finds himself in enough financial trouble that he is sucked into the world of con artistry himself. He adopts Sawyer's profession, alias, and modus operandi to survive, using his looks and charm to seduce women and divide families.

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Tree
ID: 12542410
Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 14:04

here's some good stuff for ya, regarding Anthony Cooper - aka - possible the real Sawyer, and presumably, who Ben was referring to when he said to get "The man from Tallahassee."

1. "Anthony Cooper" was going by "Adam Seward" during the con when Locke ran into him in the epsiode last week.

"Anthony Cooper, Adam Seward is an anagram for "Sawyer, the con man, a poor dad."

2. Kate was buying a ticket to Tallahassee when apprehended by U.S. Marshal Edward Mars, who describes the city as nothing but "strip malls and Waffle Houses."

3. Sawyer implied to Jack that he contracted an STD in Tallahassee ("Let's say something was burnin' and it wasn't from the sunshine.")

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 16:57

They need to print a playbook for this series. I get so damn confused! No comment Tree! :-P

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Savara
ID: 582102315
Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 18:50

"We Have Two Giant Hamsters Running a Massive Wheel in Our Secret Underground Lair", Ben's response to Locke's question about electricity.

Hanging in Ben's room, most bizarre painting one will ever see, The Lady and the Syrian.

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Tree
ID: 17242420
Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 22:10

They need to print a playbook for this series.

Lostpedia

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Sat, Mar 24, 2007, 22:33

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 249542719
Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 23:06

What was up with that episode? Waste of time...

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katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 09:59

Yeah, I wasn't totally enthralled either. It was ugly that Nicki and Paolo were buried alive, but what WAS the point?

There was the hint that "You broke Jack's heart" - other than that :yawn:

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RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 11:58

Was this epi called "Out of the Forrest" or "Jump the Gump" ???

I fully expected to see Tom Hanks as an other in this epi, playing ping pong with Hurley and Sawyer.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 12:01

The episode was mildly entertaining/funny but had nothing to do with the main story line at all. It reminded me more of a Twilight Zone episode.

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Rendle
ID: 31221520
Thu, Mar 29, 2007, 13:19

Nikkie and Paulo

161

C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sat, Mar 31, 2007, 23:22

Locke told Paulo, "Nothing on this island stays buried," so I don't think we've seen the last of N&P. Unfortunately.

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Rendle
ID: 31221520
Sat, Mar 31, 2007, 23:30

When Dr. Arzt says to Nikki that the spider bite causes you're heart to slow down so that even a doctor wouldn't be able to tell you were alive, do you guys think that comment has anything to do with Christian Shepherd who wasn't in his coffin. It seems possible that he could be Jacob.

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Bond, James Bond
ID: 342292921
Sun, Apr 01, 2007, 00:27

I actually enjoyed the episode quite a bit. Loved how they replayed parts of the pilot show while focusing on the antics of Nicki and Paulo. Meanwhile having a flashback of the psycho queen Shannon.....priceless!

So now that we know that they have been buried alive--with Nikki's eyes wide open (man, that had to hurt..LOL)...AND with the fact that Sawyer threw the diamonds on her and Paulo, it seems to me that the greedy Sawyer is destined to unbury the bodies in order to re-obtain said diamonds and ..voila!....in the immortal words of Gomer Pyle...SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!

(Never thought I'd include a Gomer Pyle reference alongside that of Lost but yet here we are...LOL)

Furthermore, you have got to ask yourself: Just how many truly bad people were on Oceanic Flight 815??? Add two more murderers to the group please. LOL

Other thoughts and questions:
Hurley actually knowing what "Expose" was all about? Something tells me that I shouldn't be too surprised by that but I am anyway.

Now let me get this right: Nikki and Paulo discover the crashed plane the ultimately would lead to Boone's death PLUS they found the Pearl station and yet they told NOBODY of either of these findings? Hmmmm...

Add to this that Paulo actually came thisclose to being found out by Ben and Juliet and again nothing is said? Didn't they mention they were going to go after Sheppard? Seems to me that Paulo just might have mentioned it to the current island "hero", that's all. Guess he didn't.

Seems every episode brings more questions that answers. For now, that's okay as I suspect that by the end of May, we'll know plenty that'll keep us in talking all summer.

164

Uptown Bombers
Donor
ID: 35616416
Wed, Apr 11, 2007, 23:12

Curse that Juliet! I knew I shouldn't have been, but she had me fooled.

165

katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 00:14

Nah, her smile gives her away every time. I knew something was up.

166

allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 00:30

I'm still holding out hope... she's just doing what she can to get off the island... anyone...?

167

Uptown Bombers
Donor
ID: 35616416
Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 01:14

I don't think so allhair. What I took away from the episode was that her sister's health was dependent upon her staying on the island. That seemed to be the deal, at least as Ben presented it to her. Juliet should know by know that he won't let her leave. I think the promises of leaving that Juliet told Jack were all part of her ruse. At least that's the way I understood it.

168

DMAN
ID: 92582611
Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 17:18

There was a clue regarding Juliet when she was at the airport. The sign on the wall behind her said 'Herarat Aviation'.

169

C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Tue, Apr 17, 2007, 15:42

Juliet is only ever looking out for one person- Juliet.

I'm convinced the reason she took the job on the island was to further her own career. She wasn't advancing as quickly as she wanted to in her regular job as a researcher and her (ex)husband was getting all the glory and recognition. Getting her sister pregnant and keeping her alive was only get poor, under-appreciated Juliet ahead in life.

Until last week I wasn't convinced Juliet's sister was always her "sister," either.

170

tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 23:06

did anyone else see the picture on the monks desk just before desmond starts packing up the wine. Looked to me like the old woman in the jewelry store. Anyone confirm?

171

tommyd7878
ID: 16728922
Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 23:18

RE 170 I think it was.

172

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 13:08

“If we don’t play [ping pong] every 108 minutes, the island is going to explode”

That was classic.

173

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 11:50

I'm sorry.....was there a show? I was distracted early on by the Kate getting dressed scene.

174

C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 10:55

Am I supposed to know who the parachutist is? I can't decide if we've seen her before or not. Based on the nature of the show, I can't believe we haven't. But I can't place her, either.

175

Tree
ID: 29082512
Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 11:04

Am I supposed to know who the parachutist is?

no. but we've been given clues regarding her origin, which is important.

1. she was saying Desmond's name.
2. the book that was near her was named "Ardil-22". that's Portuguese for "Catch-22"
3. the guys way back at the end of season one who caught the electromagnetic pulse and subsequently called Penny, were speaking Portuguese.

seems to me, the parachutist could very well have been sent by Penny to find Desmond.

176

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 11:54

It was "way back at the end of season two" wasn't it? Either way, I'm with you on that. Thats all too big of a bright red arrow to be anything else...but...it is Lost. Doh!

177

C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 12:06

OK
That makes sense. I remember the EMP and knew it had something to do with that, but I didn't know the Portugese parts. I deduced that the book was "Catch-22" but didn't know the language.

178

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 18:01

The actor who played Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite has been confirmed as a guest star in episode 20, 2 weeks from Wednesday. Looking at the flashbacks for the rest of the season, looks like it's gonna end big.

179

Tree
ID: 44331264
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 06:32

"that's impossible. they found the wreckage of 815. there were no survivors."

holy. moley.

180

katietx
ID: 323472012
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 06:57

another was the guy with the eye patch showing up. sorry-can't remember his name-its too early.

181

Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 09:33

Mikael...aka "Patchy"...

182

katietx
ID: 323472012
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 11:13

I really liked Juliet's "I hate you" - but she's still evil.

183

Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 12:57

i also think Jack is evil. i believe he is fully in cahoots with The Others at this point....

184

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 13:00

Four Possibilities:

1. Losties are clones.
2. The others or someone else planted the wreckage.
3. When Desmond didn't hit the button they got pulled into an alternate reality.
4. She is lying and is an other or an other other.

3 is my guess. That would tie into Desmond's 'Flashes Before Your Eyes' episode.

Patchy coming back was pretty cool. Who knows what was going on with that fence.

Juliet has a hot back. Her and Ben are probably my two favorite characters on the show right now.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1272-587.html

185

katietx
ID: 323472012
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 13:32

re: #183...i go back and forth on this. but i do believe something is definitely up with him and Juliet. I don't believe he knows about her deal with Ben to stay for a week tho. and, i think he's pissed off about Kate & Sawyer.

186

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 13:36

I wonder if this means anything.

And where does he keep finding these sleeveless shirts?

187

katietx
ID: 323472012
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 13:46

well, i don't know and as long as he keeps wearing them, i really don't care. ;-)

188

tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 16:24

i also think Jack is evil. i believe he is fully in cahoots with The Others at this point....

How can this be? Why would ben and juliet be talking about how Jack trusts her and that would be her in to the camp. I see how you came up with the theory but it just doesnt seem plausible with the con they are doing.

189

Tree
ID: 37372615
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 17:18

How can this be? Why would ben and juliet be talking about how Jack trusts her and that would be her in to the camp.

Ben is about power. Ben plays people off each other with no concern for anything else but his power, and perhaps his thirst for knowledge.

ben might be telling Juliet that Jack trusts her because he knows that he does - because he knows he has joined them. no reason to tell Juliet that Jack has joined them. he might need to use that info later.

as the song goes, you've got to have an ace in the hole...

191

beastiemiked
ID: 3101646
Thu, Apr 26, 2007, 18:51

I would hate if Jack turned. We've seen nothing in his character that shows it's plausible that he would flip. I think that having an evil twin Jack is more likely than having the real Jack switch sides.

192

Tree
ID: 37333272
Fri, Apr 27, 2007, 04:34

We've seen nothing in his character that shows it's plausible that he would flip.

well, except for the fact he would do anything to get back home.

193

boikin
ID: 59831214
Mon, Apr 30, 2007, 17:11

Who are the other others?

194

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Apr 30, 2007, 17:38

A rumored third faction, possibly Dharma.

Here's what I've been talking about with my friends regarding the parachutist telling Hurley that Flight 815 was found without any survivors:

Over the course of the original timeline Desmond doesn't push the button, causing the plane to crash. Then later the hatch blows up.

An alternate reality is created when the hatch blows up and Desmond travels back in time. Everything remained the same except he got hit with the cricket paddle instead of the guy who was supposed to get hit. This injury caused him to push back his race around the world and when he arrived on the island. Because of this he wasn't able to bring the plane down leaving Flight 815 to crash with no survivors.

So as it was, Desmond was actually saving many lives by bringing the plane down on the island. When he altered the past (The Butterfly Effect) he altered the future causing the island to break off from the other timeline which could explain why the Others can't communicate with the outside world or even leave the island now.

195

katietx
ID: 243562819
Mon, Apr 30, 2007, 17:47

so where are Walt & Michael?

196

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Apr 30, 2007, 17:58

I think they'll come back during some point during season 4 and by then they'll really need to come up with something explaining why 100 days after the plane crash Walt looks 4 years older. Another interesting character who we need to find out more info is Libby. Supposedly she's not gonna appear this year but will show up again in Hurley and Desmond flashbacks.

Just some predicting. Earlier in the year I thought we'd find a runway on the island proving they were supposed to land there and Kate was an other all along. I guess I couldn't have been more wrong there.

197

C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Mon, Apr 30, 2007, 22:39

The Others are were regularly getting supply drops from somebody off-island. They had to be coming from the Dharma Initiative.

I think the DI is still in control of the island and what happens on it. I think the DI planted an 815 wreck. It would be easy to claim "no survivors" in the event of a "water landing" (crash) in the middle of the ocean.

198

Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Tue, May 01, 2007, 15:44

Gotta agree with C1-NRB.

Given what has happened on and off the island, faking the 815 wreckage should be a piece of cake. No need for alternate realities.

199

katietx
ID: 243562819
Tue, May 01, 2007, 16:53

Even with some of the weird things on the island, i.e. the "smoke", the alternate-reality theory doesn't work for me.

200

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, May 01, 2007, 17:29

I'm curious as to some of your thoughts....

I am only a casual Lost follower....I missed a fair portion of Season 1 and have tried to pick it up since early in Season 2.

I'm wondering how many of you have tired of the format of this show. For me, it becomes somewhat disheartening to constantly be fed kooky things out of nowhere, storylines and characters that are without sufficient explanation thus leaving you completely in the dark. There are so many characters whose motives are completely unknown that it's frustrating.

The show's style of filling in some missing pieces via flashback is somewhat unique and entertaining.....but I find myself so frustrated wondering why Juliet does what she does and the flashbacks with the sister/her coming to the island were insightful and fill in a lot of blanks, it comes so far into the story that it loses some of it's effect.

Then, while the intrigue of spotting all of the VERY subtle clues in this flashbacks can be a lot of fun, it frustrates me to have to spend so much time and energy on those subtle nuances that I can't just "enjoy" the show.

Perhaps I am in the minority or just haven't "gotten into it enough" to appreciate these subtleties, but over time in these threads I think others have expressed this sentiment as well.

201

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, May 01, 2007, 17:52

Is that "I think others have expressed" or "I think Others have expressed"... ?

:)

I love the show. Frustrating at time, but entertaining most of the time.

202

katietx
ID: 243562819
Tue, May 01, 2007, 17:53

While it can be frustrating at times (as are many things in life), I find myself drawn to it simply because of the intrique of trying to find the clues and the "ah ha" moments it brings. Sort of like watching The Usual Suspects a bazillion times and still looking for clues.

As for the format...not tired of it a bit. Guess the twists and turns keep me coming back. ;-)

203

beastiemiked
ID: 3101646
Tue, May 01, 2007, 17:59

Initially, I started watching because I have always been fascinated by survival shows/movies, ie Lord of the Flies, Castaway, etc. Lost has really steered clear of that since season 1. They still have them building a little mini society, but when they are getting food drops and have other comforts it's not really a man vs nature thing anymore.

I now watch it because of the character development. Knowing the backstories of the characters gives us the insider knowledge that their other castaways don't know. Also, rooting for them to get off the island vs getting killed is like rooting for your home team to win the world series. The whole mystery of the island thing doesn't intrigue that much since it all seems way too far fetched.

I would love for them to show somebody go crazy on the island. Maybe they are used to it, but if I was on that island I wouldn't constantly be saying WTF is going here.

204

tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Wed, May 02, 2007, 23:03

ummmm...wow

205

katietx
ID: 243562819
Wed, May 02, 2007, 23:29

ummm....yes

206

Tree
ID: 5243834
Thu, May 03, 2007, 06:41

so, that last scene made it seem like either Juliet is feeding false info to Ben, or she has convinced Jack she's doing that, even though she isn't.

this is going to get gooooood....or, rather, even better.

anyone who abandoned the show earlier this season is an idiot. :o)

207

katietx
ID: 243562819
Thu, May 03, 2007, 08:24

Juliet is in it for herself. If she can use Jack (or anyone else, including Ben) to get what she wants...she will.

Hopefully Sawyer will be able to convince everyone about her now that he has the tape recorder...although I would like to see him listen to it himself before just handing it over. Wouldn't put Locke past pulling something funny.

208

tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Thu, May 03, 2007, 17:16

Isnt Locke in it for himself? He blew up the sub and conned sawyer into killing his dad. Isnt Jack in it for himself. He copped a deal to get off the island. I think you can make that argument for anyone on the island that they are in it for themselves.

I cant imagine Ben left that recorder there accidentally for Locke to steal. Ben seems way too smart for that. The secret that juliet wanted to tell kate most likely will be something like Ben ordered me here as a spy but we are not going to let them infiltrate. Im sure they will tell kate and everyone else as soon as sawyer comes trapsing back to camp with the recorder saying not to believe anything juliet says.

209

Uptown Bombers
Donor
ID: 35616416
Mon, May 07, 2007, 19:10

Lost booked for 3 more seasons and then it's over. 3 shortened seasons of 16 new episodes in a row.

210

Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, May 10, 2007, 08:50

holy f*cking $hit. i definitely did NOT see that coming.

Locke dies?

and Ben is a mass murderer...men, women, children, infants....whoa.

211

katietx
ID: 11430613
Thu, May 10, 2007, 09:04

well, Locke may not die...remember his legs "healed" on the island. so...

and, Ben? pure evil...no doubt.

what about the supposed turn around by Juliet, i.e. telling Sawyer to flip the tape. I still don't trust her at all. but then, who do you trust? ;-)

212

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, May 10, 2007, 11:48

Jacob

It kinda looks like Locke with hair.

213

Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, May 10, 2007, 11:57

looks like Jack's dad to me...

214

katietx
ID: 11430613
Thu, May 10, 2007, 12:25

hmmm, nose isn't sharp enough for Jack's dad.

215

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, May 10, 2007, 13:14

Alvar Hanso?

216

Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, May 10, 2007, 14:17

score!

217

tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Thu, May 10, 2007, 17:47

I dont think Locke is dead. If you know this dont tell me. Ben had every chance to shoot Locke multiple times in the ditch but left him. Im guessing it is to see if Jacob (or the island) will heal him, (whatever that means) and prove to Ben that he is being replaced as ringleader of the island.

So what does everyone think...Bens mom dies while giving birth off the island and now no one can give birth on the island. Is Ben really trying to find a way for people to give birth or is ben primarily responsible for no births on the island?

Why did Richard not age? Why did he get a haircut?

What was the time period of the purge, as all seemed about the same age they are today, but didnt the map Locke found in the hatch say the purge happened in the 80s sometime? Also if they killed all people from Dharma how did Kelvin get there, he had to be there sometime after the gulf war and why wasnt he killed? Was his job believed to be important instead of just turning the failsafe key?

Great episode last night.

218

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, May 10, 2007, 18:51

I think the "moms die in the third trimester" is a manifestation of Ben being on the island. He has a special connection to the island, much the same a Locke does. Get rid of Ben, the problem goes away. I sorta think Richard alluded to that the previous episode where he said/implied they were wasting their time with the fertility issue.

As for strolling up to Uncle Jacob's place, I kept thinking they were going to some backwaters Louisiana swamp shack. Kept waiting for the bangos to start pickin'.

Man, I gotta watch this one a few more times.

219

katietx
ID: 11430613
Thu, May 10, 2007, 18:53

I dont think Locke is dead. If you know this dont tell me. Ben had every chance to shoot Locke multiple times in the ditch but left him. Im guessing it is to see if Jacob (or the island) will heal him, (whatever that means) and prove to Ben that he is being replaced as ringleader of the island.

^ believe I said that the island will likely heal Locke since he was able to walk right after the plane crashed.

So what does everyone think...Bens mom dies while giving birth off the island and now no one can give birth on the island. Is Ben really trying to find a way for people to give birth or is ben primarily responsible for no births on the island?

I think its a combination of Ben and "something" on the island that causes women to die before giving birth.

Why did Richard not age? Why did he get a haircut?

Maybe no one on the island ages after a certain point. And, who knows with the haircut thing.

What was the time period of the purge, as all seemed about the same age they are today, but didnt the map Locke found in the hatch say the purge happened in the 80s sometime?

This may go back to the aging thing.

Also if they killed all people from Dharma how did Kelvin get there, he had to be there sometime after the gulf war and why wasnt he killed? Was his job believed to be important instead of just turning the failsafe key?

no clue on this one.

220

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, May 21, 2007, 01:16

Have any of you Lost fans seen the HBO prison drama, Oz? I just finished the first season and it seems like there are many connections/similarities that Lost has used.

Michael is on Oz and in a wheelchair.
Eko is on Oz.
The use flashbacks to define the characters.
One characters name is Sayid - spelled Said on Oz.

221

katietx
ID: 11430613
Mon, May 21, 2007, 22:30

One of the writers for Lost and one of the writers for Oz used to work together. Its a little joke between the 2 - has nothing to do with a correlation between the two shows.

222

Tree
ID: 6472219
Tue, May 22, 2007, 21:32

check it...silly lost fun!

223

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, May 23, 2007, 12:01

What Tree really meant

CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! I just realized I'm driving up to Seattle at 7:30 tonight. I'm gonna miss the freakin' finale. Dude...uncool.

224

Tree
ID: 29082512
Wed, May 23, 2007, 13:10

thanks RSF...

225

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Wed, May 23, 2007, 13:36

I've read a synopsis of the episode tonight and it pretty much doesn't get any bigger than this.

226

katietx
ID: 11430613
Wed, May 23, 2007, 23:33

WOW! There were a lot of holy sh$t moments tonight...and a lot of questions yet unanswered.

227

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, May 24, 2007, 02:11

BUT they answered the biggest question midway through the series. Unbelievably ballsy. I can't wait till next February.

228

Tree
ID: 3443245
Thu, May 24, 2007, 06:46

and now, one of the biggest questions isn't even about the island - it's "who's in the casket??"

229

tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Thu, May 24, 2007, 11:09

Ben Locke or Sawyer are my guesses. Everyone else I cant see having an empty funeral.

230

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, May 24, 2007, 11:10

Best early guess is Ben based on no one being there. Kate said she had to get back to him. Sawyer??

231

Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Thu, May 24, 2007, 11:52

Well it ain't Hurley unless he hit the Jenny Craig hard post-rescue.

I can't see Kate not going to Sawyer's funeral. I'd be disappointed if Locke let them take him off the island. So I agree Ben's the best bet.

232

tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Thu, May 24, 2007, 12:02

What was ben's reasoning for pretending to kill Jin, Sawyer and Bernard? How would he be able to get the phone after killing off 3 people. He is lucky Jack didnt kill him or all the people there didnt lynch him if or when Jack told them all they were dead. Is it a suicide mission for Ben?

233

Boxman
ID: 251142612
Thu, May 24, 2007, 13:33

What was ben's reasoning for pretending to kill Jin, Sawyer and Bernard?

That wasn't Ben's call. Ben ordered them to kill Jin, Sayed and Bernard, but Tom and the other guy wussed out and shot three times into the sand.

234

tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Thu, May 24, 2007, 13:51

I couldve sworn Tom said to the other guy, why didnt we kill them instead of shooting 3 times in the sand, ben has lost his mind. And the other guy said that was the order. Maybe i misunderstood or misheard it.

235

tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Thu, May 24, 2007, 15:59

Also whats the deal with Jacks dad being alive in the flashback?

236

katietx
ID: 11430613
Thu, May 24, 2007, 16:20

hey, I just caught that. why would he say that the script is from his dad and to call him? hmmm, okay now that IS strange.

237

katietx
ID: 11430613
Thu, May 24, 2007, 17:21

I'm watching last night's finale again.

As far as who is in the casket, it must be someone Jack cares about because he cried and seemed very upset while he was parked on the bridge.

238

Uptown Bombers
Donor
ID: 35616416
Thu, May 24, 2007, 18:27

For the prescription, I took it to mean he was bluffing. Thus when the pharmacist called his bluff, he left. But his comments in the hospital were more interesting. "Call my father here and see who is more drunk" or something like that. What does that mean? Was he just spouting off? Could be, and its the most logical explanation.

239

katietx
ID: 11430613
Thu, May 24, 2007, 18:52

Yes, and the other doctor seemed quite confused by this.

240

Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Thu, May 24, 2007, 19:18

Yeah the other doctor said something like "Your father?" As in, "Are you nuts?" Or more likely, "Man, you really are smashed!"

241

Tree
ID: 37462420
Thu, May 24, 2007, 21:08

Also whats the deal with Jacks dad being alive in the flashback?

Jack is a drunk, and a junkie. dude is hooked on hillbilly heroin. he probably found some of his dad's old pads, and tried to write a bogus 'scrip...

242

tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Thu, May 24, 2007, 22:19

So I Just watched it again and it was definitely bens idea not to kill Jin sayid and Bernard and Tom was upset because he wanted to kill them.

Does someone know how long rousseau has been on the island? That transmission is 16 years old, im assuming she made that transmission on the island. She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?

Watching it over again i do see jacks mental state is definitely in question, but like was previously posted, he did mention it to the chief of surgery to get his dad and see who was more drunk.

Did Locke really need to kill Naomi? Couldnt he have pointed the gun at her and told her to drop it?

No way a songwriter from Driveshaft can figure out good vibrations on a number pad on 1 try.

So did charlie really have to die? Seems to me it was self fulfilling prophecy. He couldve run and closed the door before the grenade was set off.

Is Mickael superhuman?

243

Tree
ID: 37462420
Thu, May 24, 2007, 23:00

Does someone know how long rousseau has been on the island? That transmission is 16 years old, im assuming she made that transmission on the island. She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?

it's not about birth. it's about conception. women who conceived on the island, died.

Watching it over again i do see jacks mental state is definitely in question, but like was previously posted, he did mention it to the chief of surgery to get his dad and see who was more drunk.

right. and he was high and drunk when he said that.

Did Locke really need to kill Naomi? Couldnt he have pointed the gun at her and told her to drop it?

it was time for Locke to man up and start f*cking people up, Rambo style.

No way a songwriter from Driveshaft can figure out good vibrations on a number pad on 1 try.

as explained on another board i'm on:
"the thing about the system is that it's based on what you call a "movable Do." So if you know the tune, the numbers will be the same...I only chose C major because I thought it would be clearer to just use the white keys. It's just solfege with numbers instead of "Do Re Mi"s

With a simple tune that doesn't modulate it will always work...any first year music student could write out most pop songs in numbers. The only problem is that if you're limited to 9 buttons/numbers, you're limited to basically the range of an octave. I believe the Looking Glass keypad went higher...

Somewhere over the Rainbow: 1875678143
theme to Star Wars: 1543265432654342
Let it Be: 55645589 10 10 10 9988 10 10 11 10 10 9 10 98
Wanted Dead or Alive: 668666 10 98986865676

etc... You can also see how it is a great system for generating long strings of numbers and still remembering them."

So did charlie really have to die? Seems to me it was self fulfilling prophecy. He couldve run and closed the door before the grenade was set off.

Desmond's vision had charlie dying. if he didn't die, the vision of Claire getting rescued, wouldn't have happened.

here's an interview with Damon Lindelof explaining it a bit more...

Is Mickael superhuman? no more so than Locke, or anyone else who seems to be able to tap into the Island's ability to heal people with extraordinary injuries...

244

tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Thu, May 24, 2007, 23:53

I know its not about birth, but they medicated claire to allegedly help save her. If they didnt medicate Rousseau and they obviously know she gave birth to a healthy girl why did they need to kidnap claire and drug her?

Locke may have killed Naomi to stop her from receiving transmission but he couldnt kill Jack or even take the phone away from him. In hindsight, instead of throwing a knife into someones back and killing them who you dont even know, how about telling her to drop the phone, I have a gun pointing at you and hand it over. Considering Locke to my knowledge has never killed anyone...he tried to kill patchy, it seems a pretty far stretch to kill a girl for no good reason except he doesnt want her to use the phone that he lets jack use 1 minute later. Is that really manning up?

Charlie really just needed to flip a switch. That was what was needed for them to be saved. It just so happens in Desmonds vision charlie drowns afterward. You dont think thats self fulfilling. Her radio was on when he decoded the station, so why exactly does he need to die?

That response to charlie figuring out the code is still doubtful to get it on one shot. But really, thats minor.

Locke got shot in the stomach and was in a pit for what, 2 days? He had a blast door fall on his legs and was out for a couple of weeks. Naomi had a branch go through her and was out for 2 days. Patchy was harpooned through the chest and unconcious, and 10 minutes later pulled the spear out, put on his scuba equipment, got a grenade, swam to the other side of the hatch and detonated the grenade? I would think like Richard, he has some sort of extra power. I understand people heal quickly on the island, but no one heals that quick.

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Boxman
ID: 211139621
Fri, May 25, 2007, 06:23

I know its not about birth, but they medicated claire to allegedly help save her. If they didnt medicate Rousseau and they obviously know she gave birth to a healthy girl why did they need to kidnap claire and drug her?

What if they don't need the vaccine at all? The island has shown the ability to judge who lives and who dies.

Considering Locke to my knowledge has never killed anyone...he tried to kill patchy, it seems a pretty far stretch to kill a girl for no good reason except he doesnt want her to use the phone that he lets jack use 1 minute later. Is that really manning up?

Just like how Jack wants to get off the island, Locke wants to stay on the island. Jack has shown that he'll do anything to get home and Locke has shown the same type of resolve.

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Fri, May 25, 2007, 06:28

But he didnt. He didnt kill Jack, he didnt even take the phone from him. How is that doing anything he can to stay on the island?

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Tree
ID: 55433255
Fri, May 25, 2007, 06:49

I know its not about birth, but they medicated claire to allegedly help save her.

no. Ethan medicated Claire. he did this on his own, without Ben's approval. he was only supposed to collect samples from her, but decided on his own to do more.

Locke may have killed Naomi to stop her from receiving transmission but he couldnt kill Jack or even take the phone away from him.

which lends credence to the theory that the island holds "control" over certain people - Ben and Locke both seem locked into some of the powers of the Island, and Richard and Mikael do as well.

he also didn't know Naomi, so it may have been easier. his father, and Jack, he knew, so killing them may have weigher heavier on him.

Charlie really just needed to flip a switch. That was what was needed for them to be saved. It just so happens in Desmonds vision charlie drowns afterward. You dont think thats self fulfilling. Her radio was on when he decoded the station, so why exactly does he need to die?

do we know that? Desmond's vision saw Claire getting into a helicopter. it also saw Charlie dying after flipping the switch. if the "Charlie dying" part of the vision doesn't come true, then how do we know the "Claire getting into a helicopter" part does?

it was established earlier that by saving Charlie, the rest of Desmond's visions didn't come true.

That response to charlie figuring out the code is still doubtful to get it on one shot.

he already knew the first five numbers, because Bonny told him - so to go from there, if you're a trained musician, isn't a huge stretch.

I understand people heal quickly on the island, but no one heals that quick.

and there are no "smoke monsters" and "secret islands that are undetectable by radar and have an elaborate system of underground hatches and passages and brain-zapping sonic death rays" and so on and so on.

not ALL people heal quickly on the island. Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Eko, Libby, and dozens of others DIED on the island - some of them from, ta-dah, gunshots to the gut.

*some* people heal quickly on the island. it is a sci-fi fantasy show, and if you're not willing to tap into mythos like that, you're going to start to not enjoy the show.

He didnt kill Jack, he didnt even take the phone from him. How is that doing anything he can to stay on the island?

i think we'll see more later, but i'm guessing that he knows what Ben knows - making that call isn't going to get them off the island. it'll bring even more doom and gloom to them...

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 08:09

So you think Ethan, who was a doctor and wanted claire to give up this baby to the others was not trying to save Claire's baby by giving injections?

Both you and boxman are saying Locke is doing everything he can not to be rescued. So much so that he is now killing people so they cannot get rescued. It is a contradiction to say he will do everything he can to not let them or him off the island and then let them use the phone to get off the island. When Boone died it was a sacrfice that the island demanded. He died with purpose. Naomi just got killed for no good reason. The only out on this that I can see is that Walt told Locke that his job was to kill the girl with the radio at all costs. Not get the radio from the castaways.

Yes, we know that for people to get saved charlie needed to flip the switch. In the interview you linked to Damon Lindelof does not suggest that charlie had to die for sacrifice but that he had to die because they cant keep messing with the audience and the integrity of the show. You cant tease people for 3 more years of Charlie is going to die. It had to have a conclusion. Im saying I think charlie shouldve been killed but really it should have been a sacrifice, not a choice. As soon as the code was punched it, it shouldve done something like explode the hatch, like desmond turning the fail safe key in the swan. Charlie had ample time to leave. Since he had already done his job he did not have to die. Tell me tree, what purpose does it serve for Charlie to die aside from Desmond saying he had to die. He had unjammed the signal, Naomi had the signal. Why wouldnt those same events occur with Charlie in the station alive rather than dead?

Lots of people have died on the island. I didnt say anything about that. I said that was impossibly quick to heal and fully recover. Granted its a tv show, but it feels a little forced to have patchy blow up the station 10 minutes after getting speared through the heart without Desmond hearing him get on his equipment, pull a spear out of his chest and dive into the water.

Doesnt future Jack indicate that they got off the island?

As for charlie figuring out the code...trust me, its a stretch. His fingers are practically dancing on the number pad. No hesitation at all.

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:21

So you think Ethan, who was a doctor and wanted claire to give up this baby to the others was not trying to save Claire's baby by giving injections?

maybe so - but that's not what you said originally. you said "they" on more than one occasion, which implied The Others as a group.

Ethan was acting on his own, and not as part of the greater experiement or whatever is going on.

that was the original point.

Both you and boxman are saying Locke is doing everything he can not to be rescued. So much so that he is now killing people so they cannot get rescued. It is a contradiction to say he will do everything he can to not let them or him off the island and then let them use the phone to get off the island.

you are inferring that by Jack making that phone call, they will get off the island.

i have a feeling that Locke knows Jack making that phone call will not get them off the island, and that is the case. Naomi showing Jack how to use that phone was not "filler". i think the signal to her ship that things are bad is if someone other than her makes the call.

Yes, we know that for people to get saved charlie needed to flip the switch. In the interview you linked to...

the link explained why Charlie had to die. the premonition was also why Charlie had to die. if Charlie does not die, Claire does not get on that helicopter.

Tell me tree, what purpose does it serve for Charlie to die aside from Desmond saying he had to die.

again - if you refuse to buy into the mythos of the shows, you're going to enjoy it less. the concept here is simple - REALLY simple.

the final moment of Desmond's premonition is that Claire gets on the helicopter. breaking it down, it goes like this:
Charlie flips the switch--->Charlie dies--->Claire gets on the helicopter...

if you change it to something like:
Charlie flips the switch--->Charlie lives--->Claire gets eaten by a giant moth monster...

you take away the middle segment of Desmond's premonition, the third part does not come true, because the reality/future was altered. it's a common, common them in time-travel/seer based mythos.

I said that was impossibly quick to heal and fully recover. Granted its a tv show, but it feels a little forced to have patchy blow up the station 10 minutes after getting speared through the heart without Desmond hearing him get on his equipment, pull a spear out of his chest and dive into the water.

Mikael f@cking survived a sonic death ray, even if it was only set to "stun"...he foamed at the mouth, bled from the ears and nose, and walked away. he walked away from some horrific accident that left him disfigured and blind and one eye. he has survived countless things.

it's an island with "magical" powers. anything is possible, and it affects different people in different ways. clearly, Mikael has some sort of serious connection with the island, as spearguns, grenades, sonic fences, severe beatings, and a few other things have not been able to kill him.

Doesnt future Jack indicate that they got off the island?

absolutely - we know Jack and Kate eventually get off the island. and, quite possibly a third Lostie. but that leaves 37 people unaccounted for.

1. i don't think they all get off the island. in fact, i think the vast majority of them die on the island.

2. you have to read carefully what i say, and what the show says. i said "making that call isn't going to get them off the island..." and i believe that. i believe Jack and Kate get off the island eventually, but that phone call has nothing to do with it.

3. the producers have also said everything comes back to Adam and Eve, the skeletons found in the cave. i wouldn't be surprised if there is some time loop thing, and the skeletons in the cave are Jack and Kate, Sun and Jin, or possibly Bernard and even Rose - or, in a stunner, Claire and her baby son.

As for charlie figuring out the code...trust me, its a stretch. His fingers are practically dancing on the number pad. No hesitation at all.

the guy was a rock star, and a serious musician. one of my closest friends is quite an amazing musician, and classically trained in voice and piano. but i've seen him pick up countless instruments - from the banjo to the trumpet, and play a song literally at first try. that keypad is just another instrument, and Charlie already had the first notes because Bonny told him. the rest, should have been, and was, simple.

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:55

original question from my previous post

She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?

Whether "they" means Ethan or the others, the question is still valid. They knew of a woman who gave birth on the island who most likely didnt need any 'help' giving birth from the others. They then kidnapped the kid. So my question is did they give danielle these injections like they did claire? They probably did not as Ben may or may not have been the leader of the others at this time. 16 years ago would be 1988, and i think but am not sure the purge was in the early 90s.

you said i have a feeling that Locke knows Jack making that phone call will not get them off the island,

So how does Naomi making the phone call get them off the island? Why would locke kill her if the result of making that call does not get them off the island?

Show me in your link on the interview where it said charlie had to die for claire to get rescued. He said charlie had to die because "we were all just talking in the writers room and we realized it's a cheat if he lives. It wouldn’t be fair, because we've made such a big story point out of it that Charlie now has to die."

I understand this perfectly, but nowhere is it implied except in desmonds flashes that he actually has to die. You didnt explain why he has to die. He just had to flip the switch.

Self fulfilling prophecy: The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behavior which makes the original false conception come 'true' This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.

Isnt this more accurate? Desmond led him to his fate. It didnt have to be his fate if desmond doesnt tell him to go do it. He would not have closed the door trapping him in if he wasnt told. Because he was told he would be a hero and would have to die, he chose death. Thats really REALLY REALLY simple.

Ask your friend to play a # pad of good vibrations giving him the first 3 to 5 notes. see how fast he goes.

As for patchy, then wouldnt you say he is superhuman, which was my statement from the beginning or has power beyond what most have on this island?

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katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:05

The whole Danielle/Claire birth thing is a moot point since the problem lies with women who conceived on the island.

Suspend your disbelief or, as Tree said, you'll not continue to enjoy the show. We will not have complete answers for 3 more seasons, and even then....

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:24

I can suspend disbelief, and I love the show. Does that mean i cant question the show?

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:27

She said she made it 3 days before Alex was born meaning that prior to Claire Danielle actually gave birth on the island. Did they kidnap danielle and give her the 'medicine'?

Whether "they" means Ethan or the others, the question is still valid. They knew of a woman who gave birth on the island who most likely didnt need any 'help' giving birth from the others.

birth, is not relevant in your question. conception, is the issue.

this was a big, gigantic, huge, monsterous, impossible to miss issue - it was the entire catch 22 of Sun's pregnancy.

if her child is Jin's she dies. if her child is not Jin's, she lives. a brutal, brutal conundrum.

and yes, "they" or "ethan" is relevant as well. if "they" were doing the testing, it was likely under controlled situations. if Ethan was doing rogue testing on his own, the controls were probably less stringent.

but the bottom line is that women who conceive off island - such as Rousseau, survive. Women who conceive on island, do not. whether any of them give birth on the island, is moot. this point seems completely lost on you.

So how does Naomi making the phone call get them off the island? Why would locke kill her if the result of making that call does not get them off the island?

we don't know. but we know Locke and Ben (and others) have a special bond with the Island. the Island "talks" to them. but Locke clearly knows something we don't - again, it may be similar to the Desmond/Charlie issue you don't want to grasp.

i explained it as i believe it: if she makes the call, they are rescued and taken off the island. but if someone else makes the call, the presumption is that she is dead, and instead of a rescue party, it becomes an invasion party.

but nowhere is it implied except in desmonds flashes that he actually has to die. You didnt explain why he has to die. He just had to flip the switch.

are you even watching the same show???? we've seen several other times - one in particular - where Desmond saves Charlie's life, and the rest of his vision does not come true. if Charlie had died when Naomi landed on the island, as Desmond originally envisioned, then the vision held that it would not have been Naomi, and instead, would have been Penny. but, since Charlie didn't die, it was not Penny, and instead, was Naomi.

i think at this point that Desmond realizes Charlie has to die to complete the vision. so, when he tells charlie that for Claire to board the helicopter he sees in his vision, he has to die, Charlie accepts this. his survival would have changed the vision, something that has already been established.

and regarding Mikael, read my original response:
Is Mickael superhuman? no more so than Locke, or anyone else who seems to be able to tap into the Island's ability to heal people with extraordinary injuries...

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:46

Good god tree, the point is not lost on me that women already pregnant when coming to the island survive. People who get pregnant on the island die. Stop being so condescending. My question is why was claire kidnapped and tested on. Was the same done to danielle. Whether it is one other or several others it does not matter. Grasp that.

I am watching the same show you big jerk. In desmonds flashes he never actually sees penny does he? He sees the picture, he sees the light, he sees the parachutist masked, he sees charlie die, he sees jin and hurley find the cable. He even says I wanted to believe it was penny but now i am sure of it. He doesnt see Penny, he believes its penny. He then blames saving charlie for it not being penny, but he never saw penny.

As for your locke answer, at least thats an answer. This is similar to what I said. Maybe Walt (the island) told John he had to kill Naomi, not get the radio. Which is why after killing Naomi his job was done and everything else is free will. That is the only reason why he could kill Naomi in cold blood without accomplishing the goal of actually stopping communication between the castaways and the outside world.

Desmond believes charlie has to die, thats a lot different than charlie has to die. Thats what self fulfilling prophecy is. Desmonds prophecy comes true because charlie let it come true. It may have come true anyway.

Im all for talking about the show and the plot twists and turns, and debating and even getting a little heated. but dont patronize me tree.

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:47

Oh, and moreso than Locke, locke takes 2 days to heal from a gunshot to the stomach, Patchy takes 10 minutes to survive a spear through the heart and fully recover.

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 10:58

1 more thing. If its a moot point, (which I fully understand) Then why were the others injecting claire. We know it was the others who were injecting her (Ethan was the injectee under orders) and then Ethan acted on his own by kidnapping her and taking her to the station. So why were they injecting her with anything if the point is moot, she was already pregnant. My original question is if they also did it to danielle and why if it doesnt matter since they were already pregnant prior to being on the island. Is that hard to understand?

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 11:13

My question is why was claire kidnapped and tested on. Was the same done to danielle. Whether it is one other or several others it does not matter. Grasp that.

that was answered already, by me, and by the show. she was kidnapped, because Ethan wanted to kidnap her.

we don't know if Danielle was experimented on. we do know, her kid got taken though.

locke takes 2 days to heal from a gunshot to the stomach, Patchy takes 10 minutes to survive a spear through the heart and fully recover.

Mikhail has been on the island since 1993. Locke has been on for 90 days. he's also considerably younger than Locke. these two factors probably play a role in his extraordinary healing powers.

Then why were the others injecting claire. We know it was the others who were injecting her (Ethan was the injectee under orders) and then Ethan acted on his own by kidnapping her and taking her to the station.

i explained this earlier too. Ethan was NOT injecting her under orders of the others. he was collecting blood and tissue samples.

when he kidnapped her and began injecting her, he was acting on his own.

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:00

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katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 12:22

Ok...we assume Chsrlie is dead. But is he really?

Why did only the porthole blow when the grenade went off? Should have been more damage than that.

We knew Locke would heal, he's an integral part of the story/island.

I believe Claire was taken only to test her in hopes that she would hold answers to why pregnant women are dying. Perhaps she was injected with something the others suspect is the cause. When she didn't die (or the baby didn't die), they really didn't get any answers. That's why they want the pregnant women. But remember, the baby did get sick, so perhaps the answer lies with the baby and not with Claire/or pregnant women.

I still have a bit of a problem with who/how/why a particular person gets "healed" on the island. While Ben does appear to have a significant bond with the island, it didn't cure him of cancer (or whatever the tumor was). It took Jack to do that. So, can Ben be cured by the island? Maybe not.

Finally, is Kate pregnant? If so, and she gets off the island, she evidently survives. Does this mean that if conception occurs on the island, but the woman is able to leave, she doesn't die?

We have 9 months worth of waiting and even then our questions won't be answered. ;-)

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:00

Fair enough, I know where i am missing something. Its in juliets story she tells Jack and Kate that he was injecting her with medicine when she probably made that up. They injected her with some sort of sickness that can be triggered and Juliet used a cover story. So, not that it fully matters but why are they taking blood and tissue samples? I guess just to see if everything was ok. I can still wonder if they also tested rousseau.

they are taking samples, presumably, to compare and contrast women who conceive off-island and women who conceive on-island.

Are you finally seeing my side of the desmond charlie part because you didnt respond to that one.

no. i just got tired of trying to explain what the show has gone to considerable lengths to explain.

Is Mikhail younger than Locke...considerably? He looks older but I could be wrong. I would think whoever is in touch with the island more would be easier to heal not necessarily who is more healthy or who has been there longer.

i think all three probably factor in it.

Mikhail is described on lostpedia as being in his late 30s. Locke is 50. He turns 51 in five days, on May 30.

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katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:01

Mikhail is in his late 30's??? That boy has definitely been rode hard and put up wet more than a few times!

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:16

In real life Mikhail is 51. Obviously this isnt real life but wow, thats stretching it.

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:25

So youre saying he sees penny in his flash when naomi comes in from her helicopter? I guess we will have to differ on opinions. I guess there is no right answer but to not see my side at all seems pretty closed minded to me.

Katie, Charlie is definitely dead. Read the article tree linked to. That would be a huge cop out if he were still alive. But I guess anything is possible as long as you suspend reality.

I knew locke would heal as well (tree wasnt so sure as his Locke dies? comment suggests), just like I knew Jin and Sayid were not killed off camera, just like I knew Locke would not kill Jack for a phone, that is why I have a problem with him killing Naomi. He was able to kill her because as an actress she is expendable. So unless Walt told him to kill her it makes no sense for his character or for the show except that they wanted to kill someone off so it may as well be someone we are not attached to as opposed to a main character.

Good point about Claire and the baby. I tend to agree.

On your point with Kate, Sun as well needs to get off the island for a better chance of survival.

As for ben being not cured of cancer. You could make the argument the island did cure him by sending in a spinal surgeon to cure him of cancer. How or why he got cancer when no one gets cancer on the island is still a mystery.

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boikin
ID: 59831214
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:49

i have one question for everyone, and that is have you noticed how many of the others are geting killed off, just last episode they killed off 12 of them, i mean at what piont does Ben no longer have any followers and what about all the other lost members i allways like seeing the members that never get mentioned in the back ground. do they have the same people the whole time? Could you be casted as lost memeber #12.

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 13:54

I dont know how many others there were but they do have all of the tail section minus a few. But yeah, others are dropping like flies.

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tastethewaste
ID: 239161113
Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:42

Oh and tree thanks for indirectly making my point.

I asked if Mikhail was superhuman, you said not moreso than Locke, I said yes he is moreso than Locke, you said to rebut "Mikhail has been on the island since 1993. Locke has been on for 90 days. he's also considerably younger than Locke. these two factors probably play a role in his extraordinary healing powers."

So in the case of healing Mikhail is moreso superhuman than Locke. Which is what I was referring to when asking if Mikhail was superhuman.

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katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:49

Holy cow...hair splitting is the theme for the day!

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Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:58

Mikhail is in his late 30's??? That boy has definitely been rode hard and put up wet more than a few times!

from lostpedia:
In the early 1990s, his military unit was decommissioned and he was released from the Soviet Army. At the age of 24, he replied to a newspaper advertisement titled "Would you like to save the world?" and was recruited by a "magnificent man." He eventually ended up arriving on the Island around 1993.

that puts his age in his late 30s...

i have one question for everyone, and that is have you noticed how many of the others are geting killed off, just last episode they killed off 12 of them, i mean at what piont does Ben no longer have any followers...

i think that point is now. i'm pretty sure they'll be looking toward Locke as a new leader...

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Fri, May 25, 2007, 15:54

Finally me and tree agree. I defintely think the road is paved for Locke to be the new leader. Ben is definitely on the outs. I really dont know how ben survives this one. Even pretending to kill 3 of their friends, even if it is in retaliation for killing 7 of his is grounds for death. If they get off the island will Jack do as promised and kill Ben. If they dont, wont he kill Ben anyway?

Also while watching after Sawyer killed Tom (thats funny) Juliet looked as though she may have picked the wrong side to fight for. Wonder if she can or will be turned back or others will commingle with losties. If locke is the leader we may see that.

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Boxman
ID: 571114225
Fri, May 25, 2007, 16:38

Wow. What a great discussion about a great show. I don't know where to start so if Tree, Katie, or TTW think I need to respond to a specific question, just flat out tell me so I catch it. I love how LOST discussions go from show "facts" to theories and then back again. It's another reason why I love the show.

TTW: Both you and boxman are saying Locke is doing everything he can not to be rescued.

The kink in Locke's resolve though was that Jack still made the call. Locke even said, "You're not supposed to do this." To me that inferred that Jacob whispered into Locke's ear what would happen and Jack was supposed to fold, but he didn't.

As for ben being not cured of cancer. You could make the argument the island did cure him by sending in a spinal surgeon to cure him of cancer. How or why he got cancer when no one gets cancer on the island is still a mystery.

Agreed, but sending Jack (and the rest of Flight 815) has also led to the downfall of the others, or so we think, after the episode of the other day. Cancer surgery does not automatically equal a cure. I have more faith that Rose's condition is cured than I do Ben's. The reason being is that Rose just knew she was cured and felt the power of the island; Ben didn't.

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katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 17:03

The reason being is that Rose just knew she was cured and felt the power of the island; Ben didn't.

Excellent point Box..I agree and that Rose may indeed have more play in this as time goes on.

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Fri, May 25, 2007, 17:18

My main questions are

1) Why does Ben order to fake the killings of 3 losties. What is the advantage in this. What is bens angle? Im not saying it was stupid or bad writing or whatever. Im just saying what is the point. Do you have a theory on this?

2) Do you believe if charlie had died penny would be up in the tree? Desmonds flashes did not show penny in the tree, just a person masked in a tree. If not, then do you believe charlie had to die at the looking glass station or do you believe it is self fulfilling prophecy. It only happened because Desmond told him it had to happen.

3) Do you believe Ben was telling the truth about Naomi? Was Naomi up to no good, or was she really wanting to help the losties and get rescued herself? Was Locke told by the Island/Walt/Jacob that Naomi must die so they dont get rescued?

Ben says you'll regret making this decision which I felt implied the losties would get rescued and Jack's future flashback of misery would ensue. He also said that every one on the island would die if he used the radio which couldve just been manipulation and of course we know Jack does not die this go around on the island thanks to the future flashback (he may go back and die however). While Locke seems to think (we really dont know what he is thinking) if Naomi is killed then there won't be a rescue (which is consistent with his blowing up the flame and the sub) or if the phone is used there may be a rescue (which would make killing Naomi a total waste of time and totally inconsistent with Locke's character) or he needed to kill Naomi and try to get the phone. If killing Naomi means no rescue that is one problem solved for Locke. If not using the phone by Jack means no future flashback of Jacks miserable future then problem 2 solved.
If this is true then Locke did not really fight to hard to get Jack to give up the phone.

Comments?

Good pts on Bens cancer as he is definitely more out of touch with the island these days. Do you think he was faking his wheelchair episode or was he being honest when he told Locke that ever since Locke came to the camp he started feeling better. This would make a lot of sense obviously to why he is jealous of Locke and shot him, (not to mention hearing jacob) but why would Ben be honest to Locke in that situation?

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Boxman
ID: 571114225
Fri, May 25, 2007, 18:22

I've got the episode on my DVR and I FFW'd to the point where Jack and Ben sit down and chat.

My main question about Naomi is why is she on the island if she's not searching for Flight 815 survivors? She stated they found the plane and they are all dead.

Ben says that the parachuted woman is "not who she says she is" and one of the "bad guys". Who has Naomi said she was? She in fact did parachute from someplace and we have reason to believe there is a boat out there. Naomi has made no claims about what side she is on or what her opinions are on anything. Therefore, how do we really know she is "not who she says she is"?

Just what is Ben's perspective on what a "bad guy" is? After all, this is a man who doesn't think twice about kidnapping women and children and brainwashing adolescents. Ben mixes in lies and truths together so much so that overanalyzing what he says is probably meant to confuse the audience.

This episode really highlighted Jack's resolve to get off the island and perhaps it's stronger than Locke's. Jack continued with the plan to rescue them all even after 3 of his buddies were threatened with murder. Jack even still picked up the phone, with Locke pointing a gun at him, after Naomi got killed. Jack is clearly willing to sacrifice the lives of some, if not all, to get off the island.

Locke is more of a fate and destiny kind of guy so that's why it blew his mind when Jack deviated from what I believe Jacob allegedly said was going to happen. This also shows the "limits" of Jacob's power. Jacob can see a future, but not the future.

One other thing, did anyone else catch that the code to the gizmo in The Looking Glass was "Good Vibrations"? Wasn't that song played in a previous episode? I believe it was, but I can't place it. Also one of the women in The Looking Glass said the gizmo was programmed by a musician. Is it someone Charlie knows?

Katie: Excellent point Box..I agree and that Rose may indeed have more play in this as time goes on.

An extension of this is that while bringing Jack to the island saves Ben's life, for now, it also keeps him alive to see his "failure" like Jack alluded to earlier where everybody gets off the island. The island bringing Jack to save Ben also means that Ben will live to see everything crash down around him. It's the island's way of torturing Ben.

TTW: Great questions.

1) Why does Ben order to fake the killings of 3 losties. What is the advantage in this. What is bens angle? Im not saying it was stupid or bad writing or whatever. Im just saying what is the point. Do you have a theory on this?

I've got the episode on my TV right now. It was a real order. The first guy says, "It was an order Tom, we had to follow it." Tom replies, "Ben doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He's lost it. Look what they did to us."

2) Do you believe if charlie had died penny would be up in the tree? Desmonds flashes did not show penny in the tree, just a person masked in a tree. If not, then do you believe charlie had to die at the looking glass station or do you believe it is self fulfilling prophecy. It only happened because Desmond told him it had to happen.

Desmond did save Charlie's life repeatedly and now it looks like his visions were more a of blessing than a curse to keep babysitting Charlie all the time. I don't believe Penny would be in the tree because right now we have no reason to believe that.

I think Charlie had to die. I think two things: 1) Charlie wanted to die. I think he got tired of waiting for the axe to drop on his head. 2) The island wanted a sacrifice for this benefit. Just like how Boone's death was a sacrifice to finally open the hatch, in my opinion, Charlie's death was a sacrifice to receive the benefit of The Looking Glass.

That benefit being is that Penny now knows Desmond is alive somewhere and near where Flight 815 went down. Couple that with the EMP pulse sent out during last season's finale and she has some motivation to go with that information.

3) I think I addressed that in this post.

Do you think he was faking his wheelchair episode or was he being honest when he told Locke that ever since Locke came to the camp he started feeling better.

I think Ben stroked Locke from the get go. Locke has something Ben wants; a true communion with the island. Ben talks to this Jacob fellow who we really don't know anything about. I do think Ben's need for a wheelchair was legit. He did walk with a cane for a while afterwards so perhaps the wheelchair was necessary earlier in his recovery.

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Tree
ID: 194432518
Fri, May 25, 2007, 20:04

1) Why does Ben order to fake the killings of 3 losties. What is the advantage in this. What is bens angle? Im not saying it was stupid or bad writing or whatever. Im just saying what is the point. Do you have a theory on this?

i'll have to rewatch it. but, going with the theory that Ben ordered them NOT to shoot Jin, Sayid, and Bernard, i think Ben might have thought:
a. keeping them alive as more value than killing them - for reasons we'll see later.
b. he figured that pretending to kill them would be enough for Jack to change his mind. he figured wrong.

2) Do you believe if charlie had died penny would be up in the tree? Desmonds flashes did not show penny in the tree, just a person masked in a tree. If not, then do you believe charlie had to die at the looking glass station or do you believe it is self fulfilling prophecy. It only happened because Desmond told him it had to happen.

if i believe in the mythos that Desmond's visions come true if Charlie dies, then yea, i believe Penny is wearing the parachute - or at least someone involved with her.

the more i think about things, the more it makes sense WHY charlie had to die. Charlie was at least able to warn Desmond that the boat was not Penny's. he, in turn, can warn Jack and company. that will allow at least some of them to be saved, because i think we're going to see a number of deaths next year.

and what do i think the final scene of the series might be? Claire boarding a helicopter belonging to Penny - something that only happened because Charlie died.

3) Do you believe Ben was telling the truth about Naomi? Was Naomi up to no good, or was she really wanting to help the losties and get rescued herself? Was Locke told by the Island/Walt/Jacob that Naomi must die so they dont get rescued?

i believe 100 percent that Naomi's group are not good people.

Good pts on Bens cancer as he is definitely more out of touch with the island these days.

ben is a man in fear now. i don't think the island likes that.

Just what is Ben's perspective on what a "bad guy" is? After all, this is a man who doesn't think twice about kidnapping women and children and brainwashing adolescents.

not to mention killing 40 people in a gas attack, including his own father.

it wouldnt shock me to find out that Naomi's people are related to the DeGroots and the original Dharma folks, who, are now, a big corporate entity - Penny Whidmore's dad, anyone?

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katietx
ID: 11430613
Fri, May 25, 2007, 21:19

I was amiss in thinking maybe Charlie wasn't really dead. He is...

Also, I agree that Naomi's people (if there are really people in a boat offshore waiting), are bad guys. Whether they are Dharma or not, umm, don't know.

I'm not really buying into the "Locke in the casket" thing. I think its someone else, but not Locke. I don't think Jack would be that upset if it was Locke.

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Sat, May 26, 2007, 10:27

Boxman,

This is the line on the order not to kill them

Ryan: It was an order Tom, we had to follow it.

Tom: Ben doesnt know what the hell hes talking about. Hes lost it. I mean look at what they did to us. Instead of putting 3 bullets in the damn sand we shouldve killed them for real.

The order is not to kill them. And they had to follow it. Toms upset that they had to follow it and wants to really kill them.

We have reason to believe it could be Penny because Desmond believes it could be Penny.

CHARLIE: You think its her don't you?

DESMOND: Who?

CHARLIE: Your girl. Penny. You think its actually her who bailed out the helicopter.

DESMOND: Earlier I hoped it. Now I know it.

CHARLIE: Why didn't you tell us?

DESMOND: Would you come if I had?

CHARLIE: Of course. Why wouldn't I?

DESMOND: I didn't wanna tell you because, I didn't want anything to change.

Now just because Desmond believes it is penny and believes that if anything goes awry it wont be Penny doesnt necessarily make it so. I see the point where it may be so but i think its up for debate.

Tree, this quote is reason why it is useless posting to you...
a. keeping them alive as more value than killing them - for reasons we'll see later

Oh ok, thanks Tree.

Forget that A doesnt even answer my question of why he was bluffing, B at least tries to. As for B that is really still my question. Why would Ben think killing 3 people in Jacks mind would get him the phone. I understand using those 3 by threatening to kill them may get him the phone, but once the bluff is called Ben either has to kill them or not. Pretending to kill them logically is a bad move. Jack thinks they are dead. There is no getting the phone now and you are outnumbered 40-1. If you bluff and Jack folds you get the phone. Then Jack gets his friends back. If you bluff and Jack calls i think you have to reason with jack more. Tell him I know its hard to trust me, i wouldnt hurt those 3 at the beach and I dont want to hurt anymore people, you need to get me that phone for my sake and your sake. If he doesnt believe that one then Ben is screwed which is why I dont even know why he went out to meet them alone. But at least he is not risking getting lynched by an angry mob when he didnt even kill anybody. Right?

Locke actually did the same thing to Jack. He killed Naomi, but then he threatened to kill Jack. Once Jack called his bluff, Locke lowers the gun and tries to reason with him. Once he realized he couldnt reason with him he left it up to Jack who took the call.

the more i think about things, the more it makes sense WHY charlie had to die. Charlie was at least able to warn Desmond that the boat was not Penny's. he, in turn, can warn Jack and company. that will allow at least some of them to be saved, because i think we're going to see a number of deaths next year.

In this sentence it is no more clearer why Charlie HAD to die. He had all the info he could get prior to the grenade. He couldve walked out the door closed it behind him, told Desmond about Penny, that Naomi was not who she appears to be, that it is not pennys boat and told Jack and the others the same info.

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Sat, May 26, 2007, 10:37

Boxman,

As for your question on who Naomi said she was

SAYID: [To Naomi] My name's Sayid Jarrah. I understand your helicopter crashed onto the Island.

NAOMI: Actually it crashed in the water.

SAYID: What's your name?

NAOMI: Naomi. Naomi Dorrit.

SAYID: Naomi, from where exactly did you take off?

NAOMI: A ship. Freighter. About eighty nautical miles West of here. We're part of a search and recovery team.

SAYID: You told my friends the wreckage of Flight 815 was discovered. Did you mean the partial wreckage?

NAOMI: No. They found the entire plane off the coast of Bali. In an ocean trench four miles deep. They sent down cameras in these little robots to survey the wreck. The bodies were all there.

SAYID: Well, obviously we're not dead.

NAOMI: Obviously.

SAYID: So if you weren't looking for us, then who were you looking for?

NAOMI: [Looking at Desmond] Him.

SAYID: Desmond?

NAOMI: My company was hired by a woman named Penelope Widmore. I don't know why, I never met her. She gave us a set of coordinates. We'd be conducting a differential GPS grid search ever since.

SAYID: You knew about the Island?

NAOMI: Island? We were given coordinates in the middle of the bloody ocean. We thought it was a fool's errand. Til three days ago. I was flying back for the ship when all of a sudden the clouds cleared and I saw land. The instruments started spinning, I realized I was going down so, I grabbed my chute and I bailed.

SAYID: [To Desmond] Did you actually see her helicopter?

DESMOND: No.

NAOMI: You think I'm lying mate?

SAYID: And I take it you have no means whatsoever of communicating with that freighter of yours?

NAOMI: What was your name? Sayid?

SAYID: Yes.

[Naomi pulls out the satellite phone from under the covers of the bed she's lying in]

NAOMI: Remind me not to rescue you, Sayid.

So she may be lying about working for Penny, though she said she never met her which may be the reason for Pennys not knowing her. But probably that is the cover story they use since they know she is looking for Desmond. So that would mean if Naomi is lying then the person who she probably is working for is Penny's dad. Just a guess.

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C1-NRB
ID: 17348117
Sat, May 26, 2007, 13:04

I just watched the finale last night, and the two leading up to it the night before so I had a lot of catching up to do.

post 250: Whether "they" means Ethan or the others, the question is still valid. They knew of a woman who gave birth on the island who most likely didnt need any 'help' giving birth from the others. They then kidnapped the kid. So my question is did they give danielle these injections like they did claire? They probably did not as Ben may or may not have been the leader of the others at this time. 16 years ago would be 1988, and i think but am not sure the purge was in the early 90s.

Ben tells Jack the purge happened, "A few years ago." I take that to mean it was fairly recent that the "hostile natives" took over the Dharma Initiative. Ben is the last link to Dharma. That could also explain why no one has aged much.

Questions with my specualtive answers:

1. Why would Dharma keep sending supplies if the only "original" employee was a janitor?
Dharma isn't the only organization working to "control" the island. This would also explain how Richard and Ethan were able to go to the mainland to recruit new "employees." The "Hostiles" were there before Dharma arrived. When Dharma showed up the Hostiles fought them guerilla-style until they turned one of Dharma's own- Ben. Then the Hostiles regained "control" with Ben as their "leader" even though it appears that Richard was the head of the Hostiles. Is this a Knights Templar situation with competing factions vying for "control?"

2. Did Penny know her father was head of one of the factions?
It would seem so since she had people looking/ listening for the EMP. She somehow also knew that Desmond would be where it occurred, leading to the possibility that her father told her what happened to Desmond but not where he was. We could see a Penny flashback next season.

I don't like knowing how it ends. I liked knowing it would, but giving the ending away in the middle (and so obviously too- there wasn't any subtly to it at all) cheapens the series. I only hope they can un-jump the shark. I don't know how they can explain it away (Heroes sort of pulled it off with the whole, "The future isn't certain" angle) but if they do, I think it will be the first show to successfully un-jump; a process that would involve leaving the water and landing on the ramp, all in reverse. No mean feat, but if they manage, Wow.

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beastiemiked
ID: 3101646
Sat, May 26, 2007, 15:36

I don't like knowing how it ends.

I really doubt Jack's flash forward is the end of the story.

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Tree
ID: 5245279
Sun, May 27, 2007, 10:14

Tree, this quote is reason why it is useless posting to you...
a. keeping them alive as more value than killing them - for reasons we'll see later

Oh ok, thanks Tree.

on another board, when people were whining during some of the slower moments of the season that Lost has, well, lost it, i opined that that his like a 100-hour long movie, and there are going to be slow moments.

that opinion holds true here. we're not even 60 percent of the way done with the show. there are tons more things to be revealed...

there is also a very good reason why no one is willing to kill Jack - not Ben and the Others, not Locke, not anyone. they feel that there are important things for him to do, and killing him would prevent that.

there are a lot of mythos to this show - many unknown and unexplained. we still don't know nearly enough about a lot of things to do much more than speculate.

He had all the info he could get prior to the grenade. He couldve walked out the door closed it behind him, told Desmond about Penny, that Naomi was not who she appears to be, that it is not pennys boat and told Jack and the others the same info.

rinse and repeated. i've said this over and over. in Desmond's vision, Charlie dies and then Claire boards the helicopter. Desmond said repeatedly that when he saves Charlie, it changes the outcome of the vision.

CHARLIE believed this in the end, and the most important people on earth to him - Claire and her son - would be rescued if he died. if he lived, they wouldn't be boarding that helicopter that Desmond saw in his vision.

honestly, i'm not sure what is so difficult for you to grasp here. in Charlie's mind, and in Desmond's mind, Charlie surviving means that Claire does not board that helicopter.

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Mon, May 28, 2007, 22:08

oh Tree, tree, tree. You must be the lost god...are you jacob? You know all. Lets take a look.

To start off, I am not whining about the show. I have not once said the show has "lost it" I was a strong supporter of the show even as it was losing ratings. I love the show. I cant wait week after week to see it and i am bummed i have to wait until late Jan early february to continue watching. I have watched every show on air date and sometimes watch it again online. But I am patient and I will wait. Further, I am fully aware that there are 48 more episodes and know a lot will be answered, new questions will arise and even those new questions will be answered. Spare me your inane lectures.

My question regarding why did ben let those 3 live was not why would the writers do that? What has lost become? What kind of idiots do they think I am?

I was simply asking your and other people on this board what YOU thought of Bens decision on letting them live and why YOU thought Ben decided that. Sure tree, you can answer every question with your answer. After the pilot I couldve remarked, loved the show, whats with the polar bear on the tropical island and of course you couldve responded with, well I think that there may be another group on the island that is studying polar bears and maybe one escaped. Or I think that they are not on a tropical island but they are dead, or I think that kid walt has weird powers and can conjure up anything he wants like in that twilight zone episode, or we can go with your response of the writers wrote in a polar bear, im sure it will be explained at a later date. well thanks Tree, dont even bother responding.
Isnt a message board designed to discuss, debate, hypothesize..ask questions. Of course it is. Youre inane answer deserves a response and your defense of it in this last post is laughable. Maybe instead of pretending to be a know it all condescending jerk, you can actually have a discussion about a great tv show instead of knee jerk defenses of it because you think YOUR show is being attacked.

2nd

Rinse and repeated. I understand your view. Dont think for a second I dont. You think that if Charlie lives, Claire doesnt get on the helicopter that Desmond has seen in his vision. You think if Charlie had died last time, Naomi would be Penny. I understand this is your opinion and I think that is fine. We disagree is all. I think that Desmond never really saw Penny in that flash but in the picture that he ended up seeing in Naomis backpack. I think that Desmond believed that Charlie had to die that Charlie believed he had to die. I understand my view is debateable, I also believe that your view is as well.
Further, you stated in post 274 the more i think about things, the more it makes sense WHY charlie had to die. Charlie was at least able to warn Desmond that the boat was not Penny's. he, in turn, can warn Jack and company. that will allow at least some of them to be saved, because i think we're going to see a number of deaths next year.

This does not explain why Charlie HAD to die or as you put it WHY Charlie had to die. I understand that you think charlie had to die but the rest of that post does not support your claim of WHY Charlie HAD to DIE. He couldve told Desmond after he got out of the room, hey mate, Naomi doesnt work for your bird, Penny doesnt even know her brotha. To which Desmond couldve responded, no, it cant be brotha, are you sure. We better tell Jack then. So WHY does this make more sense that Charlie had to die? Thats what I was asking in the last post that you responded to with Rinse and repeated.

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Boxman
ID: 251142612
Tue, May 29, 2007, 13:54

I don't like knowing how it ends.

What I'd like to see is for the Losties to leave the island at the end of the second to last season, then spend the last season in the regular world. Maybe then they could all realize their connections to each other.

From another message board, this is the supposed leaked text of the obituary Jack was reading.

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue. Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft. Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room. According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son. Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

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threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Thu, May 31, 2007, 16:21

finally got around to watching the last 4 episodes back to back. torrenting has been slowing down lately.

nice dialogue above on pretty much all the main topics of discussion.

i'll just add, i thought that when charlie punched in the code, the door would swing shut. this would prevent him from leaving by his own free will and drown him.

especially after charlie noted that the scuba equipment was outside the room and then he and desmond were separated. too simple for lost i guess!

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RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 13:10

Decided to start watching Season 1 and Season 2 again. Popped in S1-Disk 1, expecting just to watch the Pilot - Epi 1, but wound up watching the whole thing (first 4 episodes).

Man, that Pilot is just outstanding.

Interesting to watch, knowing more about the characters. Hard not to watch and keep that out of your mind.

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tastethewaste
ID: 81492019
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 13:25

Hey Tree,

Just reread our "discussion" Your last post is exactly my point.

honestly, i'm not sure what is so difficult for you to grasp here. in Charlie's mind, and in Desmond's mind, Charlie surviving means that Claire does not board that helicopter.

In Charle's mind...in Desmond's mind. That is self fulfilling prophecy. Doesnt necessarily make it so. Phew, glad that's settled.

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Renegade
Sustainer
ID: 481126818
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 10:49

Jul 25, 7:35 PM (ET)

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) - Turncoat Michael is making a "Lost" 'comeback. Harold Perrineau, who plays the character last seen betraying his fellow crash survivors to save himself and his son, will return to the show next season.

ABC Entertainment President Stephen McPherson didn't offer any details Wednesday of what's in store for Michael. He also didn't say whether Walt, the son played by Malcolm David Kelley, will be seen again.

The pair fled the mysterious island where the crash victims were struggling to survive against the dangerous "Others," with desperate Michael turning over his friends in exchange for escape.

The network had planned to make the "Lost" announcement at Comic-Con International, the comic book and pop-culture show starting Thursday in San Diego. But McPherson, speaking to a meeting of the Television Critics Association, was pressed for the information.

McPherson initially balked at talking, instead joking about what the announcement might be.

"I've cast Don Imus on 'Lost,'" McPherson quipped.

Earlier this year, ABC said will run for three more seasons, concluding in 2009-10. The series will return for its fourth season in January.

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 12:09

It will be interesting to see how they handle him and Walt, especially Walt who now looks 3 years older after 80 days.

Rumored guest stars for season 4 are Forest Whitaker and Peter Stormare(Prison Break). The show is really wide open now with many possibilities. They could be others, part of Naomi's crew, in flashbacks, flashforwards, etc.

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C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 12:53

Flash-forward Walt will be played by Forest Whitaker.

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beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 13:44

Abruzzi on Lost would be awesomme.

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Rendle
ID: 366203122
Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 07:21

Stormare has been offered a role on the show. My guess is he's part of Naomi's crew.

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RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 14:44

Was just fumbling around at ABC.com Lost and it played a "Orchid Station Orientation" film.

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