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Subject: Big Brother 8

Posted by: Ref - [24733521] Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 22:33

Anyone been following this show?

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 10:02

There's been some talk about it in the New TV Shows thread. We all liked Eric and Zach. Pretty sure they'll both be eliminated soon.

Kail totally could have won HOH this week. What an idiot. And kudos to CBS for realizing that they HAD to do something to Eric, which they did.

Eric and Jen both had decent chances to improve themselves this week simply by shutting their mouths. Both didn't, and one of the two will be gone this week, which is a shame.

Eric only has a few options to avoid getting killed - he has to win the Veto competition. I can't see any other scenarios because everybody either wants him out or is scared. Good move not putting him on the block - he's not guaranteed to be in the competition, and he can't pick Jameka. None of the 3 pickers would make him houseguests choice. He has a 2 in 6 chance to be randomly picked to compete. He must beat those odds and THEN win to stay. That's the only option.

Except the Jessica angle. He really has to push forward with that. Except that she might not win America's Choice for Tuesday, which puts the whole thing in jeopardy. Plus Eric can't tell her the truth anyway. Stupid CBS.

... the plot thickens.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 10:52

Dick is teh classic Bully and manipulator. Jen is a pure liar. Audrey is fake. Jen and Danielle are the best competitors it seems. I see Jen wiining POV and taking herself off. If they go witht he plan to backdoor Eric, He should have the votes to stay and get Kail out unless Dick can continue to work his BS and win over Jess or Jameka. If Eric gets put up and he stays 4-3 (yeah I see Dick reaching out to Zach too), then next week either Eric, Jess, Jameka, Dustin or Audrey has to win and then Dick and Danielle go up. Danielle has to know that if Eric goe sup ther eis a great chance of Kail going home and going back on her word--but as we all should know by now, Danielle has no character.

Eric is in a tough situation. Even if he wins HOH, America would tell him who to put up. He has to throw the competitons. Dick can't win HoH next week as he has been extremely weakened after his continued BS and going after Eric. This crap of him inventing this supposed alliance with Eric and Kail and Jen is hysterical. I don't really like a whole lot of people. I guess I'd root for Eric because of the situation he's been put in. That banner really zapped him. If he goes then I suppose Jessica even though she is truly stupid and if she is conned by Dick to vote Eric out, then I'd be against her too. Jameka is below the radar as is Zach.

I think the only way for Danielle/Dick to save themselves is for them to ally with Kail (who is vulnerable she will go with anyone now) and put up Zach (if Jen or one of them win POV) who will go home. The problem is that they really don't have the votes anymore unless they get a converter--I just don't see it.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 10:56

Audrey=Amber, sorry. I call her cry baby. What a fake. Oh Nick has to go, oh boo hoo, I had no idea Nick boo hoo.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 11:00

Dustin has really been under the radar since Joe left. He was HOH and just put up the same people as the week before. Now he's just letting things play out.

The LNC is just a bunch of bullies. Mostly Dick, but Daniele too. Nick was as well, but he's gone now. There's only two yellers left (and they're related by blood). I wonder how CBS feels about that...

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 11:09

Dick and Danielle think they are the POO but they are cutting their own throat. Instead of dumping Jen and Kail they are cutting their own allies because of paranoia. Horrible game play. Jen puts up Joe and Joe put up Nick. Stupid.

I think CBS should actually do something to try and protect Eric. I don't know how but that banner was so unfair.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 12:04

I watch. I haven't seen last night's yet so I'm sure I'm missing out on half of this conversation, but it's too bad Eric is hamstrung by being "America's Player" because he is sneaky and charismatic and would have a good chance to go a long way. I have been amazed at how vehemently everyone has to 'go after' whoever cast a certain vote -- I guess that is one of your only clues in this game so you have to use it....but geeez.

Jen is quite possibly the shallowest person I have ever seen. She has a rockin' body but she is not that 'pretty' - Danielle is way prettier (but I don't dig scrawny chicks).

Amber REALLY bugs me with the crying. Ridiculous.....and I think people are catching onto her BS.

Dick makes the show interesting. He IS smart, but his problem is that he doesn't shut up. He doesn't know when to stop. The way he outs people right to their face in front of everybody is GREAT.....but when he doesn't stop he just looks like the stupid one.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 13:22

I am starting to question Eric. He's been great up to now, even throwing an HOH competition when it looked like he might win. He really can't ever win HOH without causing problems.

But last night, he stammered and stuttered and it was obvious to everyone (especially Dick) that he was lying. And the motivation is good - make Nick look bad, make Daniele look bad. Eric, of course, had other motivations, but he did cast those votes and he has to answer for it.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 14:27

Thing is that he wouldn't have voted the way he id had America not forced him to do so. I think he gets $5K for everything he accomplishs that is asked of him, but at some point he should be allowed to say NO, I'm not doing that because I will go home and not get another chance to win the $5K/s down the road let alone the $500K.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 14:55

I think he's earning points in the entertainment industry for not blowing his cover despite a very difficult situation. And that might be worth plenty at some point.

Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 20:38

I think Eric is creepy. I haven't liked him from the beginning. Zach also tries to act like he has the game figured out, but really he was just Nick's servant. I havent liked either Zach or Eric pretty much from the get-go. Also, Eric came across like such a weasel in that last episode. Looks like he might be folding under the pressure.

Jen disgusts me. Her personality kills it. Danielle is really cute. Jessica is the best looking one left in the house though. The voice is a bit annoying, but she's the total package as far as eye candy goes.

My favorites are Dick, Danielle and Jessica. Jessica just mainly for the looks, but Dick and Danielle are really strong competitors. I see them going far. Dick isn't afraid to say what's on his mind. It makes for good TV if nothing else. I'm rooting for Dick and Danielle final two.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 58692722
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 21:48

I've been watching from the beginning too, and am hooked even though this is the first BB season I've ever watched.

I was also curious as to whether Eric could just say no also. What if America just threw him a screwball and had him try to nominate Jameka? How the heck could he justify that? If he is forced to do what America votes, one could argue that the only reason he is on the show is because he is to take these orders, and there was never a point when he was going to be a cast member without the America's player role attached.

I like Zack, I think he's a real loyal guy. Earlier when he said something to Jameka, she claimed she wasn't addressing anyone or something, when clearly the only reason she entered the conversation at all was because Zach said Amber was really emotional and Jameka said she wasn't emotional, she was something else...I forget what she said, but it sure sounded like she was addressing Zack to me.

I like Jen. I think she's hot, but I'm also getting pretty annoyed with Dick. It's one thing to get mad at Jen for talking about Daniele, but attacking her for playing the game? Who in Jen's position wouldn't take a guess at 'the power is up for grabs' if getting it wrong (BB's fault in designing the game if anything) ensured their safety for another week? If Dick and Daniele were in Jen and Jameka's positions, Dick wouldn't have done the same thing? Also, why the heck didn't Jessica take the Barbados trip? She was playing for nobody and had no real incentive to win the POV... a no brainer in my opinion.

I do think Jen made a big mistake in subbing in Joe for Daniele when she won the POV. At that point, she and Dick were already at odds. Why put up someone who is even more hated than Dick? Why not just put up golden boy Nick or a then well liked Eric and get Dick out right then?

Anybody watch the live feeds? I don't but have been reading the message boards at TVGasm and they are pretty good at filling in the missing time bw Sun, Tue, and Thurs.

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 22:14

They also have spoilers on sites like that, so I hardly ever go. You can see some interesting live feed stuff on youtube.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 58692722
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 01:39

No discussion after tonight's show?

I think Eric's plan will play out as he explained. Even if Jessica is having doubts about Eric's trustworthiness, it's in her best interest to stay with the remaining members of the LNC. What would Jessica have to gain by voting off Eric, who is her strongest ally? She has to realize that Eric was right again (thanks to America's task), and if she stays with the current LNC, it would boil down to Dustin-Amber, Eric-her, and Jameka being the swing vote. If she sides with Dick and Daniele, she risks alienating herself from Dustin, Amber, and Jameka, who would surely know she voted Eric off. Then, she would be the odd one out amongst Dick-Daniele-Zack and Kail-Jen. Even looking further ahead, could she reasonably expect to make a final 3 with Dick and Daniele and prevail? At least with Eric in the final 3, she stands a great chance of moving on (speaking purely in terms of alliances, as I've never seen BB before and don't know what happens when there's 3 people left).

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 10:01

Yeah, the power has definitely shifted from the Bullies to the neo-LNC. That's why the Donatos were buddying up to Jen-u-whine.

Eric stays. It'll be Jessica, Dustin, Amber, and Jameka for Eric, and Dick, Jen, and Zach for Kail. Jessica is the only one who is wavering, and you're right - she'd be an idiot to vote out Eric. Sorry Kail, it finally caught up to you. My only worry is this week's America's Player task - if it's Dick or Dustin, that could be trouble. Those are the two worst scenarios in my eyes.

The next HOH is key, because the sides are basically even. Jameka made a pretty bad mistake by spending the next 5 competitions for, well, nothing. That last POV was pretty harsh all around.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 59759714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 13:07

BH, what's this whole jury and sequestering business?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 13:12

Eric is smart, but he is crappy under duress. When Dick was grilling him while he was in the hot tub, Dick very correctly pointed out Eric "shaking like a leaf". Eric is confident and coersive in private, but in front of everybody he can look weak.

He definitely made the right plays in last night's episode though. It looks like he'll keep the votes and stay alive.

Shame on Daniele and Dick for breaking off from the LNC so early. They should have stuck with the plan and the alliance longer before breaking off. Now they are scrambling and when you have to form an alliance with Jen - whom NOBODY should trust - then you are desperate.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 13:26

The "jury" is the last few kicked off, who come back to vote for the final 2. They get sequestered at a tropical paradise so they don't get to watch what's happening. Not sure when it starts.

I agree - Eric is terrible under pressure. He should have just said "Why are you such a jerk?" to Dick. It was completely uncalled for, and he let him get away with it.

No matter, Dick will be gone soon. Possibly next week. Stupid Jameka.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:40

Dick and Danielle cut their own throats. Dick talking all that smack about Kail going home when he was the HoH and couldn't deliver. Same for Jen--couldn't get it done. They are more thrilled to backdoor someone than to get people out that should be out.

Nick should have never been put up. What an idiot. Then they blamed eric when he made a spiel before the vote to send kail home instead since America made him. Mike really wasn't in an alliance at all except for Kail but Dick was mad that he stuck up for Kail so he sent him home. Kail blew up her alliance by openly posturing to remove Dick w/o consulting her alliance and then selling them out.

Danielle's word means nothing. You want to ensure someone doens't go home then you don't put them up. Now Kail is going home and Danielle could care less. I mean she wants eric out but they were all happy Danielle won HoH and now they split everyone up. Why would they put him up and split up their alliance when they don't know if they have the votes for sure?

Dustin, Amber or Jess need to win HoH this week. I'd say Eric too but America then HAS to let him put Dick and Danielle up. Dick, Zach or possibly even Jen can't win HoH to make sure that Dick or Danielle goes home.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 59759714
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:54

Agreed Ref... even when the LNC crew was going strong, what did Dick and Daniele think would happen later on? Best case it got down to the 7 LNC crew members, and then D&D are big targets to get split up. A couple of episodes ago when these 7 started these meetings, it was already pretty clear that the other 5 were good friends, and it seemed to me that D&D were the 6th and 7th members to join. Thus, fittingly, they would be the 7th and 6th houseguests to get eliminated if all played out accordingly.

What were they thinking agreeing to vote out Nick. Everyone knew that Zack would follow Nick to the very end, so if D&D decided to splinter off the LNC crew earlier and confide in Nick, theyd get a free alliance member in Zack. Granted, even if the two of them had voted for Nick, Dustin as HoH would have broken the tie and voted Nick off with Jameka, Eric, Amber, and Jessica. I guess they were pretty much screwed from a long time ago... had Dick not kicked Mike out or cursed out Jen from the beginning, D&D might have been able to get them along and outnumber the big 5.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 14:57

I worry about Dustin and Jess but esp. Dustin. He can be so easily manipulated. If he votes against Eric and Eric goes home, then Dick and Danielle suddenly become the favorites to win it all. Amber is a loser too. I think I'm going for Jameka or Jessica if Dustin flip flops and votes out Eric.

Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 15:11

Dick and Danielle may have shot themselves in the foot. They had been in a good position, but then took Nick's eviction personal and its looking like it will backfire. Zach and Dick will definitely vote to evict Eric. Now its a matter of getting two of Jameka, Dustin, Amber, Jessica, and Jen to vote their way. That seems like a tall order, but I hope they can pull it off.

What Danielle should've done though was concentrated on getting Kail out of the house after Jen won POV. Instead, she decided to take immediate action against Nick being booted. Not smart. I was hoping she'd put up a well-liked person(Jameka). That would've ensured Kail going home. Dick and Danielle could've focused on getting Eric out at a later point.

I find myself rooting for Jameka along with Dick, Danielle and Jessica now. She seems like a genuine person which is rare for the BB House. I wouldn't mind seeing her win it all.

If Kail does go home, she has nobody to blame but herself. She made an irrational choice trusting Danielle. I'm hoping she was just really fatigued both mentally and physically because that was beyond stupid.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 17:17

Kail has played this game stupidly at every turn. She's been HOH once and put up 3 times. The only reason she's still around is because nobody was threatened by her. She had an alliance that voted against her in their second week as an alliance. She lies badly. She's not very likeable or sincere. Has to be the worst player I've ever seen who has been put up 3 times.

I really can't cheer for Dick and Daniele. They are both bullies and are both mean and insincere. Nick was a lot like that as well, and that really bothered me. I'm not saying we all have to cheer for dorky, maligned, underdog Eric, but...

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 00:14

This is by far the worst season ever. This America's player doomed Eric. I see him going home as fake Amber will flip on him. No one gets it. It's jsut stupid. I'd really like to not watch it anymore after this week if Eric goes home. Can't root for anyone. Prob too hooked but we shall see.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 58692722
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 00:51

I thought Kail was pretty smart in week 1 when she made that alliance with the three stud guys. I thought it was a good move and wondered why Eric, who BB portrayed as a huge BB fan and really smart and strategic player, did not also try to form an alliance. I guess I was wrong on both accounts.

Kail's trying to convince Daniele to vote out Dick was really stupid though. Had it not been for this, the Mrs. Robinson alliance might have still been going strong, able to just have a private meeting after the vote where only Kail stuck to the plan. They could have agreed to just keep quiet and lay low, and vote along with the house consensus for as long as they could and whittle down the players. Eventually, the 4 of them could have outnumbered the other alliances and could have started taking over the game.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 10:01

But Nick was going to backstab whoever he could - no way do I see him in that alliance. Zach is a bit of a follower and might have stayed with Kail, and Mike obviously would have till the end...

Trip
Leader
ID: 13961611
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 11:08

In case you needed another reason to hate Amber semi-spoiler

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 11:38

She is just not a good person, but most of those times those types of comments are generated out of ignorance, not hatrid. She is so shallow and untrustowrthy.

The more I think about it, the mo I hate this show this year--yet I'm still watching. Last year I loved the show. Just kind of watched it when I happened to be around all the preceding years.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 11:47

Rrrrrrrrrrrring.

Hello?

Will, it's Boogie.

What up, Boogie?

Nada. Guess who we just screwed over?!?!

Who's that Boog?

Everybody!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 11:48

Please no spoilers in this thread. This is the one place on the internet where I can come and discuss without worry of getting spoiled.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:06

Well the eviction ceremony is live, so no one can spoil that per se. I guess if the house has made up its mind already it could ruin things though. Does anyone waste their money on the live feeds?

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:52

I don't, and they're damn expensive. Thought about switching to Showtime, but didn't do that either.

Sometimes I'll watch on Youtube but way too many spoilers there.

Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 12:56

Yeah, I'm with blue hen. Please don't post any spoilers here. I didn't even realize all the spoilers that were available on the 'net(hadn't searched for them) until I spoke with Ref on AIM a few days back. Looking at all that stuff takes the fun out of watching the show for me so I've avoided it all.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 13:22

Yep Youtube has some.

Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 13:43

I also agree with Ref in that last year's show was awesome and loved it. Will and Mike(Boogie) were the best. I think, to a certain extent, this cast looks even worse than it really is because of last year's all-star cast.

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Thu, Aug 09, 2007, 22:29

Wow, I didn't see that coming. I thought for sure Amber would vote to evict Eric. I really don't think they made up - you could see her face at the end of the show. But Dustin probably talked some sense into her, knowing that the entire LNC had no shot unless they broke up the other alliance right now.

So Dick is out this week. The only way he's not is if he wins POV, in which case Daniele is out. Then, the following week, the odds shift. There will be 5 in the LNC and 3 in the Evel Dicks. If one of the LNC wins, Daniele (or Zach if she wins POV) will be out, since only Jen will vote against the LNC. Then Zach, then Jen. The LNC needs to be smart and do it that way. Then one of the pairs will be split up: Amber/Dustin or Jessica/Eric. If Jameka wins, one of the Jessica/Eric pair probably goes. So that's my final four: Amber, Dustin, Eric, Jameka.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Aug 10, 2007, 00:08

This was the best possible scenario for Eric. Jess HoH is the best. Dustin was 2nd best.

Remember jameka is out of HoH for 5 weeks (4 more).

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Sun, Aug 12, 2007, 12:15

Speaking of Dr. Will, he's the new doctor on Dr. 90210 starting on Monday, 8/13 @ 9PM ET on the E! channel.

When Julie Chen explained Eric's role as America's Player to Kail on CBS's morning show on Friday, she just kind of sat there nodding her head with a blank gaze, like duh? I don't think she got it. Mabe when she sees the tapes. lol

If no-one watches Showtime 2, On Thursday night, you missed the all time knock down drag out screaming match of all time between Jamica & Evil combined later with Amber & Jameka vs Evil. It was about an hour long & so profanity laced, I doubt if much of it airs on the show tonight or Tuesday. It's all they've talked about the last 2 nights on Showtime. Dick's been a real dick to all 5 the LNC members left. He's making threats about who he won't vote for in the final 2 since they're all in the jury now or in the finals. His new name for Justin is "coc$suc$er, Jameka's is "bitch", & Amber's is "faghag". Surpisingly, no new names for Eric or Jess. Or they didn't come out in the After Dark shows.

I agree with Ref that Eric's been screwed by the America's Player aspect of the game, but he buried himself somewhat by his comments to Dick about having the "goods on Amber" to bury her back in week 1 considering how psycho she was/is. The "odd" thing about Ambers secret is she didn't tell Eric it until week 3 in the hot tub and his conversation with Dick was week 1. the timeline doesn't sync up. BB showed the timestamp in the corner of the screen when they showed the conversations last week. Whatever the case, the votes will ultimately come back to haunt him though and that's BB's fault for not giving him an out clause if he was in an alliance.

It's also hard to compare this season to last year. BB7 was an All Star competition. There's only Eric & maybe Dick that would qualify for an All Star BB game from this group. And I'm not sure Dick could pass the psyc exam again. It took him 3 times & an anger management class to get through this time and see how well that worked out. lol Not an equal comparison of talent between season 7 & 8. Even the Star Wars dude is subpar this year- Zack vs Howie? ugh.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Aug 12, 2007, 13:06

DS, I've been watching some Youtube feeds and it's so much worse now than what you saw. I do'nt want to spoil anything as I've seen who is up for nominations and who has won the POV already. But Dick is bound and determined to make sure he makes everyone's life hell all week as he wants to make sure he gets put out. I can't believe BB is allowing him to do and say relentlessly what he's doing right now. Seriously, some of the stuff is X-rated and is so continually abusive, I am shocked BB hasn't stepped in.

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Sun, Aug 12, 2007, 14:12

Ref - yeah, I know those facts too, and don't want to say anything. Dick's being such an freak, I think he's either jones'ing for the alcohol since BB must have cut him off. Eric & Jess vs Danielle & Zack (freaks) were playing beer pong last night all 3 hrs and he was drinking tea, smoking and spitting between abuse sessions with Jameka & Justin outside. Amber took the braids out of her hair and hid in the HOH room all night (spineless). She and Jameka were counting the votes down to the final 2 and how they'd get the votes in the final 2 (4-3). I about gagged. They were dissing Eric for having a secret alliance with Dick & that's why Dick threw him under the bus las week - say what? and decided that had to be the case. Brainiacs lol

Finally, they also decided Justin was a real man , but they'd have to vote him out anyway. what a laugh. Jameka can't win a HOH for 4 more weeks and Amber's memory is about as long as her boob size. IBTC.

Tonight will be good if they edit in some of the fights, but I can't wait until Tuesday to see how the POV is played . Heads may explode before then. lol

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Aug 12, 2007, 15:51

Well let's throw a little scenario out there...

What if jess puts up dick and dani as expected.

One of them wins POV.

Dick has already stated that Dani is coming off the block regardless to ensure that he leaves and because of that has been worse than ever this week.

Now it gets better. The Nerd Herd is not wanting to alienate jen or zach. dustin said last week that he wouldn't mind being put up against dick if one of the NH won HoH and Dani was take off the block at POV. Jen and zach have pledge to work and vote with the LNC dick/dani.

here is where it gets interesting...the reason dustin would be willing to go up as a supposed pawn is because if teh votes are 3-3, jess votes dick out. But the twist is that america hates dustin and lvoes dick--that means eric is forced to vote out dustin. That makes it 4-2 to evict Dustin and Dick and Danielle coast to the final two and eric is put out next week regardless of who gets HoH as everyone will know it was him. eric better hope that if this scenario plays out that Jess puts up Jen and not Dustin like they all want to do just so Dustin can make this great speech on national tv to diss Dick.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 10:21

Interesting. I couldn't believe Dustin was America's Choice this week. Stupid America.

DS - go easy on the spoilers. Nothing concrete there but if you're watching the feeds, it's a danger zone.

Dick is smart - he knows he has no shot, so he's trying to keep Daniele for one more week. If he goes and she (or better yet - Jen) wins HOH, it's still an open competition.

Jen is really dumb. "All I ever had against Daniele was her father." Gimme a break - that's worse plot-jumping than wrestling.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 12:56

Watched some bits of EDick on youtube (that are not spoilers)..That
dude goes off-----a little too deep at times (attacking Amber's
child)----

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 13:17

bh - no spoilers from me. none of what I said made the show other than a little bit of the beginning of the fight with Jameka when Dick was cooking chicken and the part where he went off on Amber about being a tweaker and bad mother.

If anything, say something to Ref about a spoiler, not me.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 13:26

True. Just saying. I think about Big Brother way too much.

Incidentally, you guys do realize that Dick is trying to get evicted, right? He's mean, but now he's just trying to be as mean as he can.

I worry about Eric. If America wanted him to get Dustin nominated, surely they'll want him to evict him as well. And then it's obvious how he voted. As if Amber needed another reason to hate Eric...

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Mon, Aug 13, 2007, 13:51

bh - That's so true about Eric. I don't think he had any choice about being America's player either. It was yes or no BB8.

I doubt if he works real hard to get Dustin nominated. Depending on POV, there is a whole lot of different scenarios that can play out. Now who Eric has to vote for on Thursday, thats a different question.

That's why I can't wait until Tuesday. :)

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 11:08

This is not going to end well for Dustin.

Or Eric, for that matter. Stupid America.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 11:36

I wasn't spoiling as much as saying "what if?" At that time I had no idea it could actually happen--and still don't. But that far it has played out that way. I haven't seen YOuTube at all since the show last night.

Here's my GUESS!!! I.E. NON-SPOILER

Dick isn't going to want to go quietly. He's going to try and get a vote from one of the people on the other side and try to bash Dustin unrelentlessly. The only person he can get thta from is Eric or Jessica. A 3-3 vote and Jess votes. Since Eric and Jess are together though, he's going to need Eric on board. Eric cna't stand Dustin but can't stand Dick either. Dustin saved Eric, but it's out of his hands. I'd say Dick had zero chance except for this America's Player role. Zach has pledged his vote to evict Dick, but Dick and Danielle are trying to talk him out of it and Zach hates Dustin so he might flip it. Jen is playing both sides. Lying ot both and telling both sides that they have her vote.

Here's what I'm curious about. If the show lasts 10 weeks, they are halfway done, but there still are 9 people let. There is going to have to be a double eviction soon. Also, what happened to the cout d'etat from last year that wasn't used? I kept figuring something Alice in Wonderland-esque would be related to that based on the theme.

Also, I'm wondering what the producers are doing in the diary room. Last week on the feeds Jen was telling everyone that the producers in the diary room were trying to get her to keep Eric. They've got to be doing the same for Dick. I kept looking for them to add the cout d'etat for Dick because they want him to stay because America likes him. Totally unfair, but they don't care who they give the money too--they just want good tv and higher ratings.

I hate this AP thing. Eric is resisting it. WTF would America vote for him to blow off Jess? Pure evil. I guess he can do one of two things. Since America wants Dustin out and Dick to stay, he should go to Dick and say, ok, we have an alliance and I will vote to keep you, but if you tell ANYONE about this, I will vote you out because if the vote goes 4-2 for you to stay they will come after me. That way he is protected because if Dick stays, he has protection and if he goes he can blame that extra vote on Jen or Zach. jen is the perfect fall person as she has voted in every vote where the vote has come up "funny" along with Eric.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Aug 15, 2007, 15:49

Just found yet another youtube feed where Jen is talking about how the producers in the diary room are pressuring her to vote a certain way. All the house guests have been talking about it.

link

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 12:17

Bye bye Dustin.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 12:20

Yeah, I was pretty close on my guesses. The producers are rigging the show. They will do whatever they can to keep Dick and Eric in as long as they can--esp. Dick.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 13:01

Boy the look on Dustin's face was classic.

So does Dick stay with his word to Eric and have Daniele NOT put either he or Jessica up? One would think they would target Jameka and Amber.

Did Eric learn nothing from Mike Boogie? When a hottie like Jessica takes off her top and points out her boobs, and then asks him if it's really hot in there, you say "Yes! It sure is, do you mind if I get naked?" GEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ get some game, dude! At least take your shirt off and cuddle.....lmao

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 13:48

Species wants Eric to take his shirt off. Ewww...

The best part was when she said "These are boobs" and he said "What are boobs?"

Eric's not nearly as great as we gave him credit for, earlier. It's hard to find anyone in this game who is moderately sincere and also a good and interesting player. I miss Mike.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 14:39

They need to get rid of Jen. She's the biggest liar in the game. And she can win competitions. Something that Amber and Jameka can't do. Either you put up Amber and Jameka and try to backdoor Jen or you put up Jen and Amber. Jameka still can't win HoH for 3 more weeks. Would have been interesting if Amber had won HoH this week. I still think she would have targeted Dick and Danielle, which would have been great for Eric and Jess. I don't really like anyone, but the way CBS is making Eric jump through land mines, I'm kinda rooting for him, even though he's completed like 11 tasks and has made some nice cash along the way so far.

TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Fri, Aug 17, 2007, 19:54

bump

Peter N.@ ds'
Leader
ID: 017103420
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 20:11

LOL Species, yeah Eric has no game whatsoever. He's lame.

Stupid America? I loved seeing Dustin go. His arrogance backfired on him. I think it's pretty cool that we are having a direct impact on this game. This season wouldn't be nearly as good if America didn't have its influence on it. Now we just need to get Amber, Jenn and Zach out of the house. I think Dick and Danielle will keep their word. At least I hope so, but you never know in this game. Dick/Danielle/Eric/Jessica sure would be a sweet final four.

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 22:40

Can't agree. Dick is a bully. Sure, he's genuine and true, but he is a bully. And Daniele is utterly shallow. No desire to see either one succeed.

Peter N.@ ds'
Leader
ID: 017103420
Sun, Aug 19, 2007, 23:31

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Dick as a person. He's a prick. However, he's entertaining and fun to watch.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Mon, Aug 20, 2007, 21:23

I am rooting for ED all the way!

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Aug 22, 2007, 17:55

If you have MediaFLO or Showtime or a lot of dispensable cash, you might want to check out the live feeds, especially on a Wednesday (the most unspoilable day of the week).

I got hold of a MediaFLO phone today and watch for a couple hours. Very entertaining and really shows you how boring house life can be. But it was also interesting, hearing them talk about past houseguests and how annoying the producers are.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:16

Had a LOL moment with my wife (who like BB), while watching "Las Vegas". Jenn was on the show as a extra in a "by the pool" scene. My wife says "Hey, look, its the Nanny". I thought it was funny as hell, and chuckle every time they show Jenn on BB with "Nanny" as her job.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 00:05

Jen is HOT!!

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 00:24

Jen just has a rockin' body. Nice to see a ho with some meat/tone to her as opposed to being a waif. Nice rack, great ass and legs. Yum.

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 00:34

She should have stood up to Dick. Should have said "Yeah I got rid of em, what are you going to do about it? Come on, hit me!"

Instead, she just reached, allowing him to burn her subtly. She really got under his skin today, and you saw how he reacted.

If I were Jessica, I'd put D&D up for sure.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 11:56

This is the turning point of the show for Jessica and Eric. They can stick to their agreement with D&D and perhaps coast to the Final 4 (but be in it with 2 players who have proven superior in challenges, IMO) or they can look to whack them and make amends with Amber and Jameka (but risk those 2 cutting their throats by aligning with Zach later to get the numbers).

Tough call as to the best strategy.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 12:42

I think Zach would side with Jessica. Especially if she makes a deal with him this week. He is generally loyal, excluding the first deal with Kail.

In fact, there haven't been any serious negotiations lately, other than Daniele's with Amber. Amber is an idiot. Daniele asked for a dollar and Amber gave her 20.

Species is right - Jesseric has to get rid of a Donato this week. Dick almost won HOH this week, and I bet he'd have put up Eric and Jess. Why? Because Donatos do not keep their word. Ever.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 02:34

The Donatos agreed on the show that they need to get rid of Jess. Jess was right that she probably needed to backdoor Dani. This stupid America's Player thing is really screwing this game up. I'm going to be pissed if Eric or Jess go home next week. Eric really needs to win HOH.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 14:40

I love Zach.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:49

Zach is a loser. Dick and Dani are going to flip on Jess and vote her out now--you watch. Zach will encourage this (as he should) so then Eric can go after d/d and let him coast to the finals. Not bad for a floater. Of course he won't win against anyone.

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 21:08

Probably with that is that Eric won't win HOH. A Donato will.

Idiots. Twice they coulda gotten a Donato. I bet CBS is fixing this season.

tastethewaste
ID: 1688419
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 21:23

cbs fixes every season. Youd be a fool to think otherwise.

Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 04:59

As much as I like Dick and Danielle, that was a bad episode to watch. Both Jess and Eric elminated. I wasn't sad to see Eric go, but it came after Jess. That sucked. How in the hell is dumbass Zach still there!?!? What an idiot. He doesn't deserve it. Watch him win the entire thing. That would then make this the worst season ever.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 09:50

Dick played this perfectly. He got to team up with his daughter, and he's in the final four with two of the worst players of everyone. Daniele should easily win HOH this week (bye bye Zach) and Dick the week after. Then, it's the two of them in the final 2, and Daniele wins.

Which is a shame because the one thing she did was make promises and break them. But she's no idiot. Just like in life, where everything's been handed to her on a platter, so it is here, and why shouldn't she take advantage of both?

The other saving grace is that Eric only had to be apart from Jessica for about 45 minutes, and now they get two weeks together in paradise.

I wonder if America will get to sway Eric's vote in the finals.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 10:00

Since Jameka will honor her vote and that's exactly what the Donatos are taking advantage of, the ebst case scenario would be that Zach wins HOH and sends Dani home. In fact, I'm predicting that. While everyone else has been lazy and bad-mothing people, Zach has constantly worked on his endurance in the fitness room. Everyone else is worn down but he is turning it on. Anything with endurance is going to be Zach's comp. to lose. Dani needs to go home this week. I'm hoping then Jameka wins something to get to the finals as I can't stand anyone else left.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 10:27

True. Zach won the teacups and the ball fall this week.

He's still my favorite, but I don't think he'd beat Dick or Daniele in the finals.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 11:07

Eric and Jess have nobody but themselves to blame. Jess could have nominated D&D or Eric could have backdoored Dani w/POV. Stupid stupid stupid! At the very least, if I was Eric, I would have given Dick a taste of his own medicine and cussed him out for turning on his promise.

Dick and Daniele have been THE best players though.....they have earned their spot through their gameplay and a lot of luck that Eric had to vote Dustin out via America's Player. Daniele in particular has manipulated well (using Zach like toilet paper when he was HOH), using her charms like most hot chicks. Damned women! ;-)

Zach I think gets an unfair edit. I don't think he's that stupid.....he just took D&D's deal because it was presented to him on a silver platter and it was his best chance to make it further. He successfully kept to the side of any fights despite not having a single ally in the house - that takes something, even if it's ONLY the smarts to shut up and stay out of the way. He has a real chance at the final 2 because D&D should still honor his good deeds by NOT sending him home next week, and then he can win the final HOH and send someone (Daniele if he had a brain) home.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 11:59

W/o America's player, Dick and Danielle would not even be around to win things.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 17:40

Really from now on, the only thing that matters is the POV winner. That person has all teh power to say who stays and who goes--save the HOH.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 17:48

Yeah, true. I agree - Zach isn't as stupid as they portray him. I think he's a decent shot to win. And really, the only way Dick OR Daniele can win is to both be in the final two. Zach and especially Jameka will have most of the jury votes.

Eric is an idiot. We saw it the whole time. He never stood up and said what he so easily could have. "We had a deal to go all the way. I kept you around twice against my better judgement. And your first chance to get rid of me, you jumped on it."

He always shut up when he should have talked, and talked too much when he didn't need to. Even on the way out he wouldn't stop talking. And he lost Amber's trust very quickly - that's not easy to do.

If it does come down to Dick and Daniele, which it very well might, my vote goes to Dick. Mostly because I want to see what happens when he beats Daniele.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 18:54

Dani is an evil person. She should be called ED not her father. There is no way in HELL she would ever have given the veto to her father. In fact when she was up against him and won she used it on herself. I can't stand her whining and I don't think she is very smart at all. Without her father, she would have been gone a long itme ago. Every other player in BB history has had a time when their partner or alliance sold them out (with the exception of last year with Will and Boogie) and there is no way that Dick would ever do that to his daughter. he gives her unconditional love and she could care less about him except as a means to get herself paid. She also knows that if he wins, she's going to see a lot of that money. He was never a good father and he is trying to make up for that. It's truly tragic.

If any of us were in that house, there would be flaws tht would be magnified. Something we do would just irriatate the crap out of a some people. It is what it is. (Man I hate that phrase!)

Zach had played an awful game. He didn't socialize. He spent all of his time working out to build up his endurance. He hadn't won a single competition. No one feared him and he was allowed to slide in. People wanted Jameka out, but turns out that here 5 weeks of no HOHs actually allowed her to slide through as well. Now she is just a POV win or two away from the finals. She or Zach MUST WIN POV this week.

Eric knows his stuff but as hen said, talked way too much. He rubbed people the wrong way. He threw early competitions (as was his strategy to not piss people off) then couldn't win when he had to. Not athletic at all so all he had was his brain and he couldn't win those contests either. But with all that, he still would have done well if he hadn't been AP. Jessica was too manipulative. She changed her mind based on whoever last talked to her. But she could win contests. I thought she was a dumb blond, but I think she was actually one of the brightest but needed more self-confidence. She had a great chance to win it all but Eric AP task destroyed her. She should have won it and I'm sad that she didn't as she seems like a genuinely nice person.

Zach seems book smart but incredibly naive and lacks street smarts. However, he is now making the most of things. I think he could be in the final 2 with Jameka if things go right. If he wins HOH he will put up D/D but it doesn't matter as whoever wins POV sends one fo the 2 nominees home with the single vote. Same goes for next week when the HOH sends one person (non POV winner) home.

I'm going to watch it, but it is a lot more boring now. No strategies as everything is black and white and I am not a fan of anyone left. Pulling for Jameka to somehow pull it out I guess. If Zach keeps winning though, he'll deserve it. If Dick wins POVs, Dani is the guaranteed winner--not him.

Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 05:53

As I have stated before, I like Dick, Danielle, and Jameka. As long as one of them wins, I'll be happy. I hated to see Jessica go, but thats the way the game works. If Zach(the dumbass) wins, all hell should break loose. In fact, if Zach wins, I'll accuse CBS of rigging the show and never watch again. He's not deserving at all. Danielle really should win. She's been a great game competitor. She reminds me of Janelle(who is my all-time favorite BB houseguest)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 12:15

Btw, this is the last POV.

Zach has slid through as has Jameka as they weren't a threat, bt Zach stopped his evictions by winning and he continues to win. If he keeps it up, it will be hard to deny him--as much as I dislike him. Still I dislike the Donatos more. Zach constantly played the DD vs Jeric so they could get each other out and he'd continue to slide through. He sucked up to the HOH and promised him his vote so he could continue to slide and not be a threat. He might not have had any strategy early on, but he certinaly stepped it up the past few weeks and not putting his money where his mouth is and winning. In fact, unless DD gets a POV win or win the HOH in the enxt two weeks to stop it, Zach will be in the final 2. No one wants to go against Jameka and Jameka can't win competitions. If Zach or Jameka win this week (HOH and POV) Dani is going home. Therefore, it will likely be Zach and Dick in the finals--though I'm rooting for Zach and Jameka I guess--UGH! I'm going to watch it, but not as interested anymore.

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 14:18

Rigged if Zach wins? I'd say it's rigged if Dick or Daniele win. They're only still around because of CBS.

angryChair
ID: 459171622
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 20:53

BH---

They're only still around because of CBS.

Where's the evidence?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 22:55

The evidence is that Eric would have voted them out instead of having to keep them in because of AP. That's Allison Grodner and CBS' thing to help their ratings by keeping in who America wanted in as long as possible. That is outside influence right there.

Did you see how fast Daniells tried to sel our her own father to Zach? I can't stand her.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 13:51

What happens when there's 3 left? Is Zach not eligible to win HOH? And when there's 3 people and HOH has been won, is there still a PoV? If one nominee wins, are they taken off the block and the other nominee automatically goeshome?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 13:54

Well I already know who has won POV this wek so I won't spoil it.

Zach is eligible to cpmpete for HOH this time even though he is HOH this time. There will be a three-part competition to get HOH and the winner evicts the one he/she doesn't want to compete against in the finals for votes.

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 01:11

I love Zach. I hate Daniele. You knew that.

Zach was really just trying to make some friends. So what if he's a little socially awkward - aren't we all? Good that he stood up to the bullies. And I really hate Daniele - born on 3rd, thinks she got a triple. I can't wait till they have the reunion and she hasn't talked to Dick.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 08:55

Would it have been any different if Zach just put up Jameka and one of D+D? In that scenario, either Jameka or Zach wins POV and they take Jameka off the block and backdoor the other D. In the current scenario, if Jameka or Zach wins they keep D+D on the block. Ultimately I guess it didn't matter which way Zach went...even if he placated D+D by putting Jameka up, what good would that have done?

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 14:16

None. Good to see those two on the block. I wish they could get reamed out by someone. I hate Daniele.

Zach has to eliminate a Donato or else they eliminate him. If it doesn't happen here, and Jameka goes, Zach can still win the next HOH.

Either way, if Zach wins HOH and Jameka is still around, he has to eliminate her because he won't beat her in the finals. Odds of a Donato making the finals are pretty good.

Zach beats Dick or Daniele in the finals, right? I can't imagine Jess, Eric, Jameka, Jen or Amber would vote for a Donato. And Dustin probably wouldn't either. It'd be 5-2 or 6-1.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 17:52

What if Zach pulls a Colby from Survivor and takes Jameka to the final 2 anyway?

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 19:07

If they beat up on Jen for surrendering prize money to win a competition, then why aren't they getting on Jameka for giving up 5 HOH's in the same competition? Jen's prize money makes no difference, but if Jameka had won an HOH in there, we'd probably still have America's Player.

wazaaap_guy
ID: 25832712
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 20:43

What if Eric had let slip about America's Player? Or was just such a jerk that he got voted off in like week 2?

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 23:42

My only consolation is that either Zach wins or we get an all-Donato final, which would sure be interesting to see how the jury votes. Would people abstain? And how fast will Daniele drop her dad if she wins?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 00:28

Danielle is so phony. YOu think she'd take her dad off the block if there were any chance she'd go home? This is the same person who tried to sell her dad outjust a few days ago.

Dick cussed Zach out all weekend after the POV played out and I jsut saw on You Tube where he has continued to cuss Zach out the entire 1st endurance comp.

blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 10:21

The Bunny Jump is a great competition. I have a feeling Zach will win - Daniele did NOT look happy.

I love how both Donatos said Zach went back on all his agreements. You know what? I don't recall a single Donato agreement that didn't get broken.

"We have an alliance. You're not going to break the alliance, are you?"

"Kail, I swear to you I won't put you up."

"Amber, I'll let you off the hook if you don't put me up."

They are a couple of bullies, and I'm not kidding. I will be so fun to see Zach beat a Donato 6-1, or to see both Donatos up there and get reamed out.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 12:52

Yeah Danielle and Dick said they were completely honest the entire game. What liars. It's jsut strategy. Nick. Kail. Amber. Jen. Jess. Eric.

They wre going to do it to Zach too before he won HOH last week. What hypocrites.

I did watch some of the competition via you tube and round one is over. The round one winner now gets to sit out of round two while the others battle it out.

Strategies (so not to spoil). If Zach wins, which Donato throws round 2 to face off against Zach in Round three endurance? I mean why go through a comp against your own teammate? My guess is that Dick would throw it and let Danielle play since Zach would take Dick to the finals anyway.

If either Donato wins, then they seal the final two if the other one wins. Then they can throw part 3.

tastethewaste
ID: 37871020
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 22:18

ugh...worst..final...HOH...competition...ever

blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 23:00

It was worth the ending to see Daniele yelping in the shower. I'm voting for Dick.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 23:14

This was by far the worst season ever. I'm done with that show after this year.

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Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 00:14

LOL. I thought it was a great season. Give the Donatos credit. America with the assist. CBS has gotta love that.

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Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 00:26

Also, Danielle is the clear winner. I hope the Jury votes for her. I'm sure they will considering how big of a prick Dick has been. I think it would've taken a backdoor to get Dani out of the house. POV champ right there with Janelle. Say what you want about her, but the girl can compete. Congrats to the Donatos.

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blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 10:45

I hope Dick wins. Because if Daniele wins he won't see a cent of the cash.

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tastethewaste
ID: 37871020
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 18:00

I guess I just dont get it. Youre playing for $500,000. Why would the final competition be 6 questions with only 2 options? I guess they do it every season but it is so anticlimactic.

I actually found this season god awful. I blame the producers for letting dick do whatever he pleased without reprimand just for ratings. He will now get rewarded with watching his daughter win. I find myself actually hoping, once out of the house that Danielle stiffs him and she blows through the money and both end up really suffering.
Out of the 2 however I do want dick to win. Someone needs to give Danielle a stern talking to about how to be an adult.

PS I also read that the Donatos knew about the "twist" of being "surprised" that they were both competing on Big Brother. In fact, from what I've read they actually took a limo together just prior to the show.

link

104

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 18:31

Nice link.

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blue hen
ID: 16322314
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 18:37

Yeah, very nice read. I agree. I hate them both (I'd rather have anybody win than those two, even Nick). But they each have one thing going for each of them...

1. Daniele won a lot of competitions. A boatload. And you have to give her credit for that. Shame on CBS for putting questions ahead of the bunny jump (best challenge ever, until the bunny stopped - also shame on CBS), but admit it: Daniele won. And won and won and won.

2. Dick genuinely wants to reconcile with Daniele. As soon as he thought one of them was leaving, he made sure she stayed. She would never have done that for him if there was even a small chance she'd go. If she wins, he won't ever see him again. If he wins, she'll cling to him like glue. Which is fitting, because she was two-faced to everyone else in the house; why not Dick too?

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tastethewaste
ID: 37871020
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 19:14

Daniele definitely played the game. But it is hard to really appreciate the gameplay when so much of it is manipulated by CBS. If what that article is saying is true, then we have to assume everything that could be rigged was rigged for ratings.

Earlier in this thread Ref linked to a youtube video where jen is complaining of being influenced by the producers on who to vote for. This is the same allegation that got survivor in trouble in their very first season. Do we really know (and i have a hard time believing) that america actually liked Dick and Danielle and wanted to see them through? The first season of Big Brother america voted everyone out. They voted out controversial players first because they were the most well known. Do we believe that america has changed that much in 7 years that we now root for the bully? How do we really know that America wanted to see Jameka or Dustin voted out before someone who constantly berates other people, pours ice tea over peoples heads, makes fun of other peoples religion and bodies and sexual preferences. And if that was rigged and the producers nullified americas input than shame on CBS who not only duped people, but took their money in the process. That texting your vote stuff aint free.
Dick and Danielle were great for ratings. Much moreso than two former lovers who may or may not have given each other gonorrehea and way moreso than middleschool chums who had a falling out over 5 bucks. CBS milked it for all it was worth. As we have seen over the past few months messing with the integrity of a game shouldnt be taken lightly, (ask Tim Donaghy and Bill Bellichek) And of course there is much more wrong in the world then a reality tv show being fixed but I still somehow feel like a sucker for even watching the show and investing 3 months of time into something that was so obviously rigged for ratings and money for CBS when it should be a competition of strategy, and social skills like it was intended.

End rant.

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Peter N.
ID: 426242722
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 21:25

tastethewaste, thats an interesting perspective. I know I'm in the minority on these boards, but I thought Dick and Danielle were fun to watch. While they both are not people I'd ever want to associate with personally, they were very entertaining and great TV. That is the main reason why I liked them. They had a compelling story and maybe I'm a sucker for believing that they can repair a broken relationship. Either way, it was very enjoyable to watch and I'm happy for the both of them. I just can't wait to see their reaction when they find out about America's Player. :-) This was another enjoyable BB season. My only disappointment is that Zach made it so far. I was really hoping Jess could make it further.

Can't wait for next season!

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C.SuperFreak
ID: 42481919
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 23:35

Just the fact that the live feeds cut out er are censored during some "sensitive" moments indicates that not everything is on the up and up with this show.

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Sat, Sep 15, 2007, 10:38

When I'm watching a reality show, I want it to be legit. From what I've read that because it is not a game show, legally it can be rigged. Hinky things can go on. We don't even know if the AP names wre actual votes or what CBS wanted. It makes sense if they were real as they were trying to help ratings in the guise of "we're doing waht you want," even though there is supposed to be no outside influence on the house.

So Dick and Dani road to the show together. Dick broke the rules against verbal abuse but CBS allowed it because it made for good tv. Dick's son Vincent sent him a letter for his HOH which Dick admitted in the house (of course they didn't show it on TV--only on the feeds) that it was coded on who to trust and who to target, etc. Vincent wrote on his blog that they had conspired with about a dozen other codes in there but his Dad forgot them. When Exec. Producer Allison Grodner and CBS was cornered with this they said there is no proof and Dick could have been just boasting--though he only told Dani about it. He read the letter and was showing her the code and what it meant, etc.

This finale means nothing. Both of their arogant personalities will be roaring their ugly heads. The Donatos thing America loves them, but I have a feeling (like that link) most do not. Every time I hear Dani talk my stomach turns. That whiny way she ends her sentences finds me running for the bathroom. She tells everyone that it's her dad and not her but as everyone finally saw on TV that she encourages it. Dad go distract him so he can fall off. The whole season she just laughed when he would go off on people. Then if it didn't suit her she'd say ok back off for a few and he would stop immediately. I just don't want to watch a show (even if it's not totally predetermined) that is rigged or has some fishiness going on. I'm "pot committed" this year and really want to see what people say about the AP on Tuesday, but as for future shows--blech.

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