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Subject: Poker Part X

Posted by: ChicagoTRS - [344311322] Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 21:42

Time for a new poker thread...

Poker seems alive and well...bigger online tournaments than ever. WSOP concluded with only slightly smaller fields than last year.`

Hoping for regulation and legitimacy some day...

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 22:09

Interesting little hand...happy for too much action preflop. set set set

Full Tilt Poker Game #3534938261: Table Gateway (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:01:35 ET - 2007/09/11
Seat 1: DevilYouDont ($460.10)
Seat 2: MactanTRS ($422.05)
Seat 3: russotj ($1,132.70), is sitting out
Seat 4: iptf ($235.65)
Seat 5: bobbysxm ($301.70)
Seat 6: Mjaooo ($467)
MactanTRS posts the small blind of $2
iptf posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MactanTRS [Js Jh]
bobbysxm raises to $8
Mjaooo folds
DevilYouDont raises to $30
MactanTRS calls $28
iptf folds
bobbysxm raises to $72
DevilYouDont has 15 seconds left to act
DevilYouDont raises to $460.10, and is all in
MactanTRS folds
bobbysxm calls $229.70, and is all in
DevilYouDont shows [Kd Kc]
bobbysxm shows [Ah Ac]
Uncalled bet of $158.40 returned to DevilYouDont
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jc Ad]
*** TURN *** [Ks Jc Ad] [9c]
MactanTRS: JJ
*** RIVER *** [Ks Jc Ad 9c] [As]
DevilYouDont shows a full house, Kings full of Aces
MactanTRS: lol
bobbysxm shows four of a kind, Aces
bobbysxm wins the pot ($634.40) with four of a kind, Aces
DevilYouDont adds $241.60
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $637.40 | Rake $3
Board: [Ks Jc Ad 9c As]
Seat 1: DevilYouDont (button) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Seat 2: MactanTRS (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: russotj is sitting out
Seat 4: iptf (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: bobbysxm showed [Ah Ac] and won ($634.40) with four of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: Mjaooo didn't bet (folded)

R9
ID: 21721142
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 23:57

Pretty sick. lol @ the min-raise with AA utg.

wolfer
ID: 247581719
Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 22:35

This is why I hate limit games:

PokerStars Game #12044525726: Tournament #60479799, Freeroll Omaha Limit - Level IV (100/200) - 2007/09/13 - 22:26:02 (ET)
Table '60479799 197' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Sonya (1670 in chips)
Seat 2: PHISHinVEGAS (4585 in chips)
Seat 3: ppasarge (6595 in chips)
Seat 4: jkj9998 (815 in chips)
Seat 5: c.sent (12920 in chips)
Seat 6: MARKwho (1380 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: wolfer001 (2395 in chips)
Seat 8: jarhead977 (2380 in chips)
Seat 9: newskool92 (1295 in chips) is sitting out
jarhead977: posts small blind 50
newskool92: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wolfer001 [Kh Ks Qd Js]
c.sent said, "nice 1"
c.sent said, "jar"
Sonya: calls 100
PHISHinVEGAS: folds
ppasarge: folds
jkj9998: folds
c.sent said, "we almost had a full house"
c.sent: calls 100
MARKwho: folds
wolfer001: calls 100
jarhead977: raises 100 to 200
newskool92: folds
Sonya: calls 100
c.sent: calls 100
wolfer001: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [7h Ts 6s]
jarhead977: bets 100
Sonya: raises 100 to 200
c.sent: calls 200
wolfer001: calls 200
jarhead977: raises 100 to 300
Sonya: raises 100 to 400
Betting is capped
c.sent: calls 200
wolfer001: calls 200
jarhead977: calls 100
*** TURN *** [7h Ts 6s] [6h]
jarhead977: bets 200
Sonya: raises 200 to 400
c.sent: calls 400
wolfer001: calls 400
jarhead977: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [7h Ts 6s 6h] [5s]
jarhead977: checks
Sonya: bets 200
c.sent: folds
wolfer001: raises 200 to 400
jarhead977: calls 400
Sonya: raises 200 to 600
wolfer001: raises 200 to 800
Betting is capped
jarhead977: calls 400
Sonya: calls 70 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wolfer001: shows [Kh Ks Qd Js] (a flush, King high)
jarhead977: mucks hand
wolfer001 collected 260 from side pot
Sonya: shows [8s 4s 7s 6d] (a full house, Sixes full of Sevens)
Sonya collected 6110 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6370 Main pot 6110. Side pot 260. | Rake 0
Board [7h Ts 6s 6h 5s]
Seat 1: Sonya showed [8s 4s 7s 6d] and won (6110) with a full house, Sixes full of Sevens
Seat 2: PHISHinVEGAS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ppasarge folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jkj9998 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: c.sent folded on the River
Seat 6: MARKwho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: wolfer001 (button) showed [Kh Ks Qd Js] and won (260) with a flush, King high
Seat 8: jarhead977 (small blind) mucked [2d Ah Jc Ad]
Seat 9: newskool92 (big blind) folded before Flop

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 01:16

Omaha...if the board is paired someone has a fullhouse...slow down...

R9
ID: 21721142
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 05:02

Agreed. Even without the board paired, In that spot I'm very weary that the other guy has the A-high flush. Non-nut hands are occasionally okay to call a bet with, but don't get into a raising war without the nuts.

That said, I hate min-bet poker too. ;)

DWetzel from work
ID: 3316412
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 10:46

Hmm... raise preflop, fold flop, fold turn, MAYBE call river? I'm doing the 5-second analysis, but I can't see how any street was well played here (no offense).

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 10:56

you didn't raise until you made your hand. The board paired on the turn. You didn't have the nut flush. I'm not sure this is the result of limit poker.

wolfer
ID: 24148211
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 13:36

I will say that was my only missstep of the whole night. The post was more venting at myself.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 14:59

I think everyone in that hand played it poorly...If I am Sonya I doubt that I am reraising on the river with a made small fullhouse...I would fear 7s full or 10s full...and jarhead thinking he might be good with a pair of aces is just dreaming.

I have been playing ~40% of my time playing PL Omaha recently and that is one thing you quickly learn...anything less than the nuts is vulnerable and not worth reraising. In Omaha facing pot size bets against improved boards you just have to get out of the way sometimes.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 09:21

I just got home from my trip to Vegas. I had a very good week at the poker tables except for 1 really bad beat. I played alot at Planet Hollywood, Luxor, Vinitian, and MGM. We stayed at the Bellagio but the lowest limit they had for NL was 2/5 blinds. I try to avoid them if possible. Well I ended up winning about 1500 over 4 days and had about 8 hours to burn after check out and before the plane was leaving so my buddy and I sat down at the 2/5 table. I bought in for 500 and we dominated by 7 of the other 9 stacks. A couple people were over 1000. I worked my stack to 727 dollars and caught AK spades in the big blind. There were 6 limpers so I raised to 45 to thin the field and got it down to 2 players and myself. Flop was 3S 5S 10S I flop the nuts. Both players still in the pot with me are hyper aggressive so I check, 2nd bets 100, next guy raises to 300, I ponder my decision and eventually call the 300, 2nd to act pushes all in for over 1000 last guy calls and I beat him into the pot. 2nd to act turns up 2S 4S 3rd shows 10-5 and I show AK of Spades. Turn brings the 10 of clubs and a full house for the one guy and the river is the 6 of spades for a straight flush. Lost it all on 1 hand. Anyways I had an awesome time in Vegas and am already making plans to make a return trip.

I also played a few tourneys and did well I won the Luxor's 33 dollar buy in. 78 players. finished 3rd in the planet hollywood 2AM tournament really should have done better, I was chip leader at the final table but I was burning out after a 15+ hour session and I made a couple stupid moves to take out an allin with a marginal hand. Tried to play in the grinder tournament, but he is apparently in Europe for a tourney so I didnt spend the money for his tourney.

Vegas is unreal. The City never sleeps

Rendle
ID: 457402414
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 10:59

Quick question, Amazon Visa just left a message on my voicemail saying they wanted me to call them about some transactions on my credit card. I think they're referring to my 2 poker deposits "info@ps3-shop.biz(Services and Merchandise)" and "PRINA-PAYMENTS(Services and Merchandise)". Has anyone else had this happen to them? Are these poker payments going to be a problem? Just kind of a weird thing to wake up to in the morning.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 11:14

nice week for you wiggs.

now, i need some advice. how did you manage to play all that poker without your wife going bananas? i'm not sure i could get away with that.

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 11:26

its real easy when you go without her :)

It was a bachelor party and I went with 12 guys.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Sep 24, 2007, 11:38

ah very nice. best i can get away with is a quick weekend flight.

The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Sun, Oct 07, 2007, 23:22

I figured that rather than just take my last $50 from Neteller and let it sit in a savings account, I'd rather put it into Full Tilt or another online site that I haven't used before. Any suggestions/codes/info you'd like to pass along? Feel free to reply by email if you'd prefer, thanks.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 10:45

Well, they showed the final episodes of the main event last night. I remember when Yang won and I believe it was Gordon saying "the worst player at the table won"....while true I do not believe Yang to be all that skillful (I'd have to give props to Kravchenko for even making it a race at all with some phenomenal patience), when he built that massive chip stack he did it while ahead in most of those hands where he had the knockouts.

Then he played aggressive, pressuring big stack poker. True this made him VERY susceptible to being slowplayed or suckered into a call while behind, but when you are that far ahead you can afford to take some big hits to your stack and not lose the lead. Isn't that what the big stack is for? True you don't just donk off your chips because you can - you do have to be at least a tad more selective than Yang - but the odds were with him that he would hit lucky flops eventually and that's what happened.

Yang ought to donate a million bucks to that Childs dude, who, IMO, out of fear of losing a few spots in the money (instead of making the call that screams "I'm here to WIN the tournament") decides to FOLD his QQ vs. Yang's JJ fairly early on into the final table. I don't know how you can lay down QQ heads up like that....if you're going to go down in flames, let it be on one of the top 4 hands in the game. If Childs calls and wins, Yang was either out or so crippled that his run of knockouts would have been unlikely to occur and you have a completely different final table.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Wed, Oct 10, 2007, 12:08

I watched the entire final table on the PPV and while I think Yang was sort of a donk and if he ever lost the big stack he was in trouble...his constant aggression kept him in the lead. They did not really show it on ESPN but he would double someone up like Krav and then Yang would win 6 out of the next 10 pots and basically have all of the money he lost back.

No one ever could get a good run on him...and when he needed a win he always seemed to get it...there were a few times he was in a race that would have put him down in chips if he lost but he always won those races. If anyone could have hit some hands against him they could have took him as he was willing to call if he caught any part of the flop.

I definitely give Yang credit for winning...but I do not think he will be a champion that you are going to see at many final tables in the future. I would guess he will be the least visible champ we have had in years.

I also thought Kravchanko was probably the player I was most impressed with and has the ability to remain a name player...very patient...never got too far out of line. Seemed to always get his money in good.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 16:25

Finally saw the first half hour of the final table last night...
#1 Yang really was getting hit over the head with the deck...most times had a legit hand.
#2 Yang should pay Childs...I have no clue why or how he laid down queens in that spot. Ultimate weak tight...he should have laid them down preflop if he was going to wuss out like that...he had over half his stack already in the pot.

walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:27

Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal

Fascinating scandal. I'm in no position to argue whether this is truly a cheating or not, but the thread at the NY Times blog is really a compelling read. I think there are other forums (2+2) that are discussing this scandal in more detail. It's a big deal for the on-line poker community, I imagine.

biliruben
ID: 579411512
Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 17:57

Yeah - Wiggs started a thread.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 2060216
Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 16:43

More Info on Absolute scandal

wolfer
ID: 14982815
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 22:10

I know this was a stud freeroll, but look what happened to me:
PokerStars Game #13086698380: Tournament #65937104, Freeroll 7 Card Stud Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/11/06 - 21:50:28 (ET)
Table '65937104 276' 8-max
Seat 1: REDDEVIL117 (1487 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: rivergotem (1431 in chips)
Seat 3: OhNoAnAce (1570 in chips)
Seat 4: SimonLab (1664 in chips)
Seat 5: wolfer001 (1669 in chips)
Seat 6: Zencon (1324 in chips)
Seat 7: puzzlemode (1344 in chips)
Seat 8: SliceNfade (1511 in chips)
REDDEVIL117: posts the ante 2
rivergotem: posts the ante 2
OhNoAnAce: posts the ante 2
SimonLab: posts the ante 2
wolfer001: posts the ante 2
Zencon: posts the ante 2
puzzlemode: posts the ante 2
SliceNfade: posts the ante 2
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to REDDEVIL117 [Ad]
Dealt to rivergotem [Jd]
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [Js]
Dealt to SimonLab [5s]
Dealt to wolfer001 [9s Tc Kd]
Dealt to Zencon [7c]
Dealt to puzzlemode [Kc]
Dealt to SliceNfade [7d]
SimonLab: brings in for 3
wolfer001: calls 3
Zencon: calls 3
puzzlemode: calls 3
SliceNfade: folds
REDDEVIL117: folds
rivergotem: calls 3
OhNoAnAce: calls 3
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to rivergotem [Jd] [5d]
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [Js] [2d]
Dealt to SimonLab [5s] [Ac]
Dealt to wolfer001 [9s Tc Kd] [Jc]
Dealt to Zencon [7c] [9h]
Dealt to puzzlemode [Kc] [4d]
SimonLab: checks
wolfer001: checks
Zencon: checks
REDDEVIL117 has returned
puzzlemode: checks
rivergotem: checks
OhNoAnAce: bets 10
SimonLab has timed out while disconnected
SimonLab: folds
SimonLab is sitting out
wolfer001: calls 10
Zencon: folds
puzzlemode: calls 10
rivergotem: calls 10
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to rivergotem [Jd 5d] [Qd]
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [Js 2d] [Qs]
Dealt to wolfer001 [9s Tc Kd Jc] [Qc]
Dealt to puzzlemode [Kc 4d] [Ts]
wolfer001: checks
puzzlemode: checks
rivergotem: bets 20
OhNoAnAce: raises 20 to 40
wolfer001: raises 20 to 60
puzzlemode: calls 60
rivergotem: raises 20 to 80
Betting is capped
OhNoAnAce: calls 40
wolfer001: calls 20
puzzlemode: calls 20
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to rivergotem [Jd 5d Qd] [4s]
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [Js 2d Qs] [As]
Dealt to wolfer001 [9s Tc Kd Jc Qc] [Jh]
Dealt to puzzlemode [Kc 4d Ts] [Td]
wolfer001: bets 20
puzzlemode: calls 20
rivergotem: calls 20
OhNoAnAce: calls 20
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to wolfer001 [9s Tc Kd Jc Qc Jh] [8c]
wolfer001: bets 20
puzzlemode: calls 20
rivergotem: raises 20 to 40
OhNoAnAce: folds
wolfer001: raises 20 to 60
puzzlemode: raises 20 to 80
Betting is capped
rivergotem: calls 40
wolfer001: calls 20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
puzzlemode: shows [Ah Th Kc 4d Ts Td Ks] (a full house, Tens full of Kings)
rivergotem: mucks hand
wolfer001: mucks hand
puzzlemode collected 714 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 714 | Rake 0
Seat 1: REDDEVIL117 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rivergotem mucked [9d 8s Jd 5d Qd 4s 8d]
Seat 3: OhNoAnAce folded on the River
Seat 4: SimonLab folded on the 4th Street
Seat 5: wolfer001 mucked [9s Tc Kd Jc Qc Jh 8c]
Seat 6: Zencon folded on the 4th Street
Seat 7: puzzlemode showed [Ah Th Kc 4d Ts Td Ks] and won (714) with a full house, Tens full of Kings
Seat 8: SliceNfade folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

wolfer
ID: 14982815
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 22:11

THE VERY NEXT HAND:

PokerStars Game #13086773593: Tournament #65937104, Freeroll 7 Card Stud Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/11/06 - 21:54:19 (ET)
Table '65937104 276' 8-max
Seat 1: REDDEVIL117 (1485 in chips)
Seat 2: rivergotem (1236 in chips)
Seat 3: OhNoAnAce (1455 in chips)
Seat 4: SimonLab (1659 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: wolfer001 (1474 in chips)
Seat 6: Zencon (1319 in chips)
Seat 7: puzzlemode (1863 in chips)
Seat 8: SliceNfade (1509 in chips)
REDDEVIL117: posts the ante 2
rivergotem: posts the ante 2
OhNoAnAce: posts the ante 2
SimonLab: posts the ante 2
wolfer001: posts the ante 2
Zencon: posts the ante 2
puzzlemode: posts the ante 2
SliceNfade: posts the ante 2
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to REDDEVIL117 [Ad]
Dealt to rivergotem [Qc]
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [4s]
Dealt to SimonLab [Js]
Dealt to wolfer001 [Th Ks 9c]
Dealt to Zencon [7d]
Dealt to puzzlemode [2c]
Dealt to SliceNfade [Qh]
puzzlemode: brings in for 3
SliceNfade: calls 3
REDDEVIL117: folds
rivergotem: calls 3
OhNoAnAce: calls 3
SimonLab: folds
wolfer001: calls 3
Zencon: calls 3
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to rivergotem [Qc] [4h]
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [4s] [5s]
Dealt to wolfer001 [Th Ks 9c] [Jc]
Dealt to Zencon [7d] [9d]
Dealt to puzzlemode [2c] [3h]
Dealt to SliceNfade [Qh] [3c]
rivergotem: checks
OhNoAnAce: checks
wolfer001: checks
Zencon: checks
puzzlemode: checks
SliceNfade: checks
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to rivergotem [Qc 4h] [7s]
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [4s 5s] [8s]
Dealt to wolfer001 [Th Ks 9c Jc] [Td]
Dealt to Zencon [7d 9d] [4d]
Dealt to puzzlemode [2c 3h] [7c]
Dealt to SliceNfade [Qh 3c] [6c]
rivergotem: checks
OhNoAnAce: bets 20
wolfer001: calls 20
Zencon: folds
puzzlemode: calls 20
SliceNfade: folds
rivergotem: folds
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to OhNoAnAce [4s 5s 8s] [Kc]
Dealt to wolfer001 [Th Ks 9c Jc Td] [6s]
Dealt to puzzlemode [2c 3h 7c] [4c]
OhNoAnAce: bets 20
wolfer001: calls 20
puzzlemode: calls 20
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to wolfer001 [Th Ks 9c Jc Td 6s] [Qd]
OhNoAnAce: bets 20
wolfer001: raises 20 to 40
puzzlemode: calls 40
OhNoAnAce: raises 20 to 60
wolfer001: raises 20 to 80
Betting is capped
puzzlemode: folds
OhNoAnAce: calls 20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wolfer001: shows [Th Ks 9c Jc Td 6s Qd] (a straight, Nine to King)
OhNoAnAce: shows [7h 2s 4s 5s 8s Kc 9s] (a flush, Nine high)
OhNoAnAce collected 354 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 354 | Rake 0
Seat 1: REDDEVIL117 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rivergotem folded on the 5th Street
Seat 3: OhNoAnAce showed [7h 2s 4s 5s 8s Kc 9s] and won (354) with a flush, Nine high
Seat 4: SimonLab folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 5: wolfer001 showed [Th Ks 9c Jc Td 6s Qd] and lost with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 6: Zencon folded on the 5th Street
Seat 7: puzzlemode folded on the River
Seat 8: SliceNfade folded on the 5th Street

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 20:52

Poker is such a funny game. I know this is nothing you other vets haven't seen, but I was cold-decked last night. I didn't realized how cold the deck was until I looked thru PT before tonight's session.

My first 450 hands (3 tables) 6-handed. NL $2/$4 $800 buy ins:

I won 7 hands out of 450. I'm not kidding. Those wins were 2 walks and 5 hands I raised on the button and won he blinds. I was VIP on 5% or 22 hands. I had 1 pocket pair (6,6 out of position) and got re-raised 2x so i folded. flop came 6AK by the way! I had no ace ever paired with anything higher than A8.

I spent 400+ hands folding, or trying to limp, bluff raise on the button. I had more 9,4 10,6 3,8, K,2 than I can count.

Needless to say i had a losing session(s).

So, what happens in my first 100 hands tonight...

I have flopped multiple sets, flushes and str8s. I'm unp $1000+ in less than 1 hour. I've had 10.10, Q,Q and A,A 10x times (really). I'm sure I just jinxed my evening, but I was jolted awake! that poker is a longterm grind.

I love poker!

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:50

Definitely a funny game...as long as you do not lose your mind while being card dead eventually the cards will come.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 01:06

been there done that...like tonight...uggh

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 00:17

Anyone watch High Stakes Poker on GSN? It has been so good the past few weeks...500K buy-ins...some huge crazy pots. Jamie Gold being a donkey. Some amazing giant pot suckouts. Best poker on TV and it is not even close.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 14:13

Won a 18k Aussie Millions package yesterday. Full tilt had a 25 seat guarantee with about 110k of overlay, it was amazing. Ran super lucky winning Q9>AK AT>AK 99>KK and KK>AJ all for my tourney life(only the AT hand was questionable but I was fairly committed). Last year was awesome so can't wait to go back.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 15:23

Congrats BMD...that is awesome.

I have turned all of my attention to playing pot limit Omaha lately...I think I was beginning to get burnt out on holdem...but love PLO...such an action game.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:56

The latest rage around here in the B&M rooms is 1/2/40-limit Hold 'em.

$1 SB, $2BB, max bet $40.

I've been pretty much treating it as no-limit, due to the huge discrepancy between the blinds and the limits, as you can get $160 in for any given round of betting, if you see a couple re-raises.

But I'm not sure if there is a more nuanced approach. The fear of pushing them all-in isn't available, so a super-aggressive style doesn't have that ultimate "break-'em and send 'em home" possibility, and without it you can't, for instance, emulate Brunson and create that over-arching fear which allows someone to push a table around.

Any ideas on this structure? I haven't seen it written about. Maybe pot-limit would be a closer fit?

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 20:03

Blah.

Stacked 3x in 15 mins on river cards.

KK v JQ with a JJ runner runner
A6 v AQ with a A68 flop and Q river
99 v 22 with a flop of 3 6 10 and a river back door flush

and I top it off with a set over set flop.... I have the short end. My 88 v AA

I hate poker.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 20:05

Ouch.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 20:06

Anybody have any advice for starting-hands and betting strategy, or where I might look, on the spread-limit game I discuss above?

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 20:52

bili,

AZ casinos have a $3/$5 blind max bet $150 game which is similiar.

I play somewhat like PL.

Can't push people off draws so easily. I pay attention to stack size. I get scared of check callers to bet rivers with potential sr8's flushes on rivers. A lot of trap-betting. I also play late Fri/Sat against the drunk people from Scottsdale. :) beyond, that, I play ABC basic poker.

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 21:01

*sigh*

Stacked x 4 tonight.

AdKd in position. $1/$2 NL. $6 raise in front of me. i'm on button. I re-raise to $20. He thinks, calls.

Flop Ks, 10d, 8d. he bets $20, I raise to $100 w/ TPTK and nutflush draw. He pushed 110 more. I call. He turns over KQo. Turn/river 10/Q, no diamonds.

I quit. I hate poker. There is no god. Car salesmen suck and I hope Santa Clause loses his GPS. Bah.

biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 09:04

Yeah, that's probably pretty good way to play it, and largely I have RFS. It's generally a pretty tight, conservative game. I'm wondering if it would be worth aggression to pick up the smaller pots and get folks thinking it's worth calling me when I try - generate action. That way I may get some calls I normally wouldn't when I have good hands.

Right now the game is bet-fold until two people hot monsters. I got my aces cracked a couple times and it was costly not to be able to get away from them. But when I caught my set of aces, by was the dude who flopped his set of 7s pissed.

Seems like a lot of money is being left on the table for an aggressive player.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 09:48

bili...what you are proposing sounds reasonable. I often will do exactly what you are proposing if a table is playing too weak/tight. I will start betting/raising a high percentage of hands to see if people will let me run over the table. Another trick I like for overly tight tables...is to play very aggressive preflop with bigger than standard raises and reraises to get people out of their comfort zone and to make later steals more profitable. Then change gears when necessary if people start playing back at me a little too often.

Or another idea is if there are few raises preflop and they are allowing you to limp is to see a lot of flops with garbage cards hoping to hit two pair or other odd combinations when they are holding TPTK or and overpair. As a benefit to this strategy once you show some ugly winners you can pretty much pick up the pot on any ugly looking flop.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 14:44

Sounds like reasonable advice CTRS. Most games, given the cheap blinds, many people currently see the flop.

This can make for pretty comical outcomes if the flop is raggedy.

For example I was BB, 6H3H. Flop comes 542 rainbow with 6 limpers.

I check the nuts.

A decent bet behind me with 2 callers. I call.

turn comes A. I am ecstatic. I check.

Bet, Raise, raise. I call.

Flop comes Q. check. Max bet, call, call. I raise to 80.

All three 3x limpers gulp as it dawns on them that they don't have the nuts. But they call anyway. At this point the pot's too big to fold their idiot's straight.

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 16:15

As I said, be careful of those check-callers!

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 16:45

Heh. Yeah!

Though I'm wondering if I would have made more betting out.

They probably would put me on over-pair, and when they hit their straight, would think they are golden. Maybe.

Dunno.

R9
ID: 541147420
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:04

Or another idea is if there are few raises preflop and they are allowing you to limp is to see a lot of flops with garbage cards hoping to hit two pair or other odd combinations when they are holding TPTK or and overpair.

This is pretty much how I've been playing the full ring games at 2/4 through 5/10. Tables are so tight its almost too easy putting people on hands. For example, last night I had 7.10os on button, called a 4x raise, caught a 10-7-2 flop, stacked the guy who had A10. Not only do they tell me right away where they are at, they can never fold TPTK, or even nut flush draws, because they rarely make hands as it is.

The 6-max 5/10 tables are the complete opposite. Ultra-aggressive to the extreme, to the point that I never raise pf now. I keep waiting for the aggro monkeys to start fearing my check-calls, but they never do, and they keep trying to run me over. Which I let them do in the 100$ pots where I'm holding marginal crap, and then its all made worth it with a 1000$ stacking when they try to push their blind steal through with J-high.

So basically, play the opposite of the table. That used to be great advice, then it wasn't, and now it is again. Poker sure has some wierd ebbs and flows...

TRS, I've been playing some Omaha lately too. Used to be my main gainer about a year ago, before I really got into Hold'em. I got Sammy's book (decent read, nothing amazing but ok) and I agree with his sentiment that Omahaha will be growing fast the next year or so. Always great to be in early on any trend...

ChicagoTRS
ID: 49147619
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 20:59

I think it is a natural transgression that people will move to Omaha...NLHE for the most part has turned into a game full of rocks and vert tight aggressive players. You definitely need to take a different approach in NLHE to be successful these days. IMO the overall skill level of NLHE is getting pretty good online (live I still find the game lucrative) but online a majority of the players are very solid. Still fish but not nearly as many.

But I think once of these NLHE players wander over to Omaha I think they will find it to their liking...there is so much more action in the game. Many more big pots...a lot of 3 and 4 way action. It can be frustrating because rarely are you ever too far ahead like you can be in holdem but the game is still good right now and there are a higher number of poor players. The PL aspect also takes getting used to...and you better be able to fold a hand in PLO.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 22:48

transgression...lol...lets change that to progression...

swami
ID: 150371719
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 20:47

Anyone setting some poker goals for 2008?

biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 00:02

I'm going to Vegas. Any tips or suggestions for good poker rooms, tourneys or something similar to the spread-limit I described above?

wiggs
ID: 6825712
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 09:00

There is a pretty strong chance i am going to vegas during the WSOP. I really dont think i will be playing any events, but I will be playing around the other casinos.

As for rooms I liked to play.
I loved the Venetian- there was plenty of easy money flying around that place. I sat at the 1-2 300 max table.

MGM was a nice room also had some easy money and the waitresses were awesome with bringing drinks.

Planet Hollywood- much smaller room- alot of tight players a decent preflop raise usually would take down a pot.

Those were probably my 3 favorites.

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 10:35

Any tips or suggestions for good poker rooms

I prefer MGM and Belagio.

But, your best "bet" is to see what conventions are in town and at what hotel. Try to hit the table at 9-10P when all the drunk business men have started to get liquored up and want to "play that game on TV" Usually, easy money.

Convention Calendar

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 15:06

Nice tips!

We're staying at Excalibur, and I'm doing daddy duty during the day, so I'll probably only be getting out to play starting around 8-9.

I wonder how smart those vacuum cleaner salesmen and roofers are.

I don't have the option of no-limit around here, but between my no-limit tourney experience and the 1/2/40, I might be okay with it.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 17:56

Definitely gotta vote for the B.

Poker goals? I'm going to put in more hours this year. I used to get tired after less then an hour of 1-2 tables, I'm now able to 4-table for 2 hours without too much trouble.

swami
ID: 150371719
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 22:06

Anyone up for a RotoGuru poker league on Full Tilt? Maybe a game once a month for say $10+$1? Anyone have the ability to setup a private game on the site?

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 22:31

I am thinking about hitting Vegas around WSOP...I doubt I am playing an event this year...going to play some cash games and watch some of the events. I am thinking of scheduling it around the main event final table or the HORSE final.

My favorite rooms were...Bellagio...and Ceasars...I really like the 2-5NL at ceasars nomax buy-in...all of the live poker was decent though...all seemed pretty weak.

goals this year? winning year is my main goal...secondary I need to be able to quit playing when I am not playing my best...no tilt...

I would be up for a private tourney on ft

swami
ID: 150371719
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 20:48

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The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 12:19

I will be heading to Vegas at the end of February for a week for work. While I don't anticipate having a lot of down time (and most of that will be unscheduled), if anyone's up for some poker around that time and will be in the area I'll find some time to meet up.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:47

I'll be there the 16th to the 22nd. I'll be the one trying to sneak the 1 year old into the Topl... er..., the Milk Bars.

"Look at the selection, boy!"

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 22:03

I'm there from the 5th to the 8th. Guess we're all missing each other by a few days. :(

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 15:39

POKERSTARS GAME #14883003109: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2008/01/28 - 08:37:36 (ET)
Table 'Gordonia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: RNiner R9 ($330.25 in chips)
Seat 2: wHaTTaDo ($199 in chips)
Seat 3: Poker FT ($114 in chips)
Seat 4: pirosfriend ($366.55 in chips)
Seat 5: SanchoPG ($229.20 in chips)
Seat 6: sethsethseth ($192 in chips)
pirosfriend: posts small blind $1
SanchoPG: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RNiner R9 [Td Tc]
sethsethseth: folds
RNiner R9: calls $2
wHaTTaDo: raises $8 to $10
Poker FT: folds
Poker FT is sitting out
pirosfriend: folds
SanchoPG: calls $8
RNiner R9: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [Ac Jc Kc]
SanchoPG: checks
RNiner R9: checks
wHaTTaDo: checks
*** TURN *** [Ac Jc Kc] [Qc]

BINGO! :)

SanchoPG: checks
RNiner R9: checks
wHaTTaDo: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ac Jc Kc Qc] [Qd]
SanchoPG: checks
RNiner R9: bets $25
wHaTTaDo: raises $164 to $189 and is all-in
Poker FT has returned
SanchoPG: folds
RNiner R9: calls $164
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wHaTTaDo: shows [As Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Aces)
RNiner R9: shows [Td Tc] (a Royal Flush)
RNiner R9 collected $406 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $409 | Rake $3
Board [Ac Jc Kc Qc Qd]
Seat 1: RNiner R9 showed [Td Tc] and won ($406) with a Royal Flush
Seat 2: wHaTTaDo showed [As Qs] and lost with a full house, Queens full of Aces
Seat 3: Poker FT (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pirosfriend (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: SanchoPG (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: sethsethseth folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Finally got paid with one of these! :)

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 18:28

nice hand...I can't remember my last royal...even playing PLO all of the time I have not gotten one in a long time.

swami
ID: 150371719
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 21:47

Tough river call there I'm sure...

biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 00:04

I've never gotten a royal in hold 'em.

Last night I folded a royal draw after the flop - glad I didn't see the river. It was $2700 if the Ks came, but it would have cost me at least 3 big bets ($120) to see it.

xpdurmind
ID: 2410323020
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 00:38

LA Poker classic is going on at Commerce Casino right now. Anyone planning on entering any of the tournaments? Tornament schedule
The culmination would be on 2/23 with an estimated prize pool over 6 mil. Too rich for my blood. I'm thinking of getting in on the 2/10 tournament. I like the rebuys part. You can build a nice stack without risking elimination too early.

THK
ID: 52051296
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 07:51

Has anyone read the recent ESPN article on JJProdigy? I remember seeing him in tournaments all the time at PokerStars. Unbelievable to think about now.

Just wondering if anybody had reactions...

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 09:31

Post the link...

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 10:54

Read the article...unfortunately I doubt anything will happen until they regulate the entire industry...and that is still a ways off. It will likely take the players voice to do anything about cheaters...the sites do not really care as long as they are getting rake cheaters do not cost them anything.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 10:59

Well you could argue that cheaters drive away players, thus reducing the amount of rake a site would take in.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 15:04

JJ is a cheat and should be banned from all tournaments. The guy has absolute no regret about what he's done what will probably continue to cheat if he can find a way to.

I saw him down in Melbourne. He was being ridiculed constantly and it was quite funny.

Toral
ID: 575542418
Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 02:28

I'm not a poker player but have become entranced by Poker After Dark. It runs on NBC of course at 3:30 AM, and I'm now getting up to watch it while doing my Yahoo! BB and hockey transactions. It also runs at 1:30 AM ET on a Canadian channel (different series, must overlap eventually).

Brilliant set and mechanics IMO. You can hear the chips being played with by everybody. The background looks like a quiet old men's club. Whoever produced this series is a genius.

Phil Ivey is my favourite. I'd like Doyle Brunson better if he didn't wear that ridiculous white cowboy hat. He just won his first PAD series tonight.

I believe the show is actually filmed in mid-day, but everything looks dark. The "at night" atmosphere is enhanced by Shana Hiatt's always wearing something that looks like a negligee.

Toral

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 08:18

Toral just fyi, PAD also runs on CTV Sportsnet during the day. Not sure of their schedule, but its always on when I eat lunch around 1ish...

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 10:45

All of the PADs are online too... I usually watch them during the day...

http://www.pokerafterdark.com/

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 10:45

BMD...beastiemik...did you money in FTOP event #10? I was railing you for an hour or so last night...looked like you were doing pretty well.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 16:30

Yeah, got 98th. Was up near the chip lead for awhile close to the bubble but lost a race for a lot of chips then made a really slim/bad call with 2nd pair on a very drawy board and lost to top pair. Got a stack going after the bubble burst but ended up losing 3 straight standard all ins. 2.3k for the effort, would've preferred the 300k+ :)

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 21:47

You guys ever read this? Hilarious for anyone who's played Pot-limit Omahaha.

EuroRounders

Michel (voiceover): "If you can't find the boorish American hold'em player at the table within half an hour, you are the boorish American hold'em player."

-----

TITLE/CREDITS. This entire movie is in black and white, with subtitles.

-----

Michel (voiceover): "This game is really scummy, and well above what I can afford to play. My entire bankroll is riding on this one session going well. This is Teddy CIA's place, where they only play Pot Limit Omaha, the most sophisticated game in Europe."

- Michel knocks on the window -

Teddy CIA: "You want poker, or whore?"

Michel: "Poker. Give me three stacks of high, elitist society."

-----

Michel: "I raise."

Teddy CIA: "It's a position raise. I call."

- The flop comes 5-7-A, with two diamonds -

Michel: "I bet the pot."

Teddy CIA: "I raise the pot."

Michel: "I reraise the pot."

Teddy CIA: "I reraise the pot."

Michel: "Pot."

Teddy CIA: "Pot."

Michel: "Pot."

Teddy CIA: "Pot."

Michel: "Pot."

Teddy CIA: "Pot."

Michel (voiceover): "I sit back and think. I have three aces - the best possible hand. I want him to think I'm debating a call, but really I'm just thinking about Monte Carlo, and whatever the [censored] is in Monte Carlo."

Michel: *shrugs* "Okay, well, I re-pot it, I'm all in, because I don't think you have a pair." *winks at the camera*

Teddy CIA: "Who are you winking at? It doesn't matter, I call."

Michel (voiceover): "I know before he even says it."

Teddy CIA: "I have 8-6-4-3 with two diamonds, for a wrap straight draw and a flush draw, which is a favorite over your top set."

- Turn is a King. River is a 2 which gives Teddy CIA an ace-to-five straight for the win. -

- Michel sits there, shell-shocked. -

Joey Croissant: "Come on, I'll get you a whore."

-----

Michel (voiceover): "Well, that sucked. Since then, I've sworn off of poker and made my living as a roadside prostitute for boorish American tourists. Hopefully, I can pay my way through law school that way. I can always find games, though. I could turn this truck onto the road and be at the Taj in 19 and a half hours."

-----

Michel (voiceover): "I'm here to pick my friend Worm up from prison."

- Worm walks out of prison -

Michel: "Worm! It's wonderful to see you!"

- They kiss each other passionately on the mouth -

Michel: "How was prison?"

Worm: "I was brutally sodomized on a regular basis."

-----

Michel: "Look...Croissant, I never told you this, but about a year ago, I was playing poker at the Casino des Atlantes, and Marcel Luske walks in. He sits down at the 50/100 pot limit game. And, I mean, the whole place stops, right? Just watching this guy play. After a while there isn't a retarded European gambling game going, because everybody's just, you know, watching this guy."

- Joey Croissant nods -

Michel: "So you know what I did? I sat down."

Joey Croissant: "No way, you need at least 300,000 euros to sit down at a game like that. Such bad financial management is typical of a boorish American!"

- Joey Croissant and Michel laugh for twenty-six minutes -

Michel: "Right, okay, but seriously, I played for an hour, doing nothing but folding. Then I won a huge pot."

Joey Croissant: "Aces? Kings? Ace-King doublesuited? Suited aces? High connectors? Middle doublesuited connectors? Two big pair?"

Michel: "Rags."

Joey Croissant: "That's probably fine too, you're only like a 48/52 dog."

Michel: "I raised. And he came over the top of me, like I was a boorish American. I re-popped it. He potted it again. I think for like two seconds and then I re-pot it."

Joey Croissant: "Jesus [censored] Christ, how much money did you have?"

Michel: "After I bet I would quietly slide my chips back toward my stack, nobody noticed. Anyway, he thinks for a while, looks at me, checks his cards again, and he mucks. I take it down. And then he looks at me and says, 'I have to know. Did you have it?' And I said, 'I'm sorry Marcel, I can't remember.'"

Joey Croissant: "Face!"

Michel: "I know, totally. Anyway, based on that one hand, I felt confident gambling for all the money I had, at one time."

-----

Law Professor: "I am a Jew."

Michel: "I hate you."

-----

Teddy CIA: "We play, heads up, Pot Limit Omaha, 25 and 50 blinds, until one of us has it all?"

Michel: "Out of sheer curiosity, you realize you're giving up like boat loads of equity by agreeing to gamble for money that's effectively yours anyway, right? That you could just not let me play, and then kill me and take what I have?"

Teddy CIA: "I know, but I am a boorish American!"

- Michel and Teddy CIA laugh for seventy-two minutes -

-----

Michel (voiceover): "I pick up Ace-Ace-Jack-Ten doublesuited."

Michel: "I raise the pot."

Teddy CIA: "Very aggressive. But, I reraise the pot."

Michael (voiceover): "He's representing Ace-Ace-King-King doublesuited, the only hand better than mine. I can't call, and give him a chance to catch. I can only fold...if I believe him."

Michel: "I reraise, I'm all in."

Teddy CIA: "Take it down."

-----

- The flop reads 10-9-5, with two spades -

Michel: "Pot."

Teddy CIA: "Pot."

Michel: "Pot."

Teddy CIA: "Pot."

Michel: "Pot."

Teddy CIA: "Pot."

Michel: "Pot. I'm all in."

Teddy CIA: "Alright, I call. What do you have?"

Michel: "Jack high flush draw and middle set."

Teddy CIA: "Wrap, with a king high flush draw."

Michel: "Boy, I sure hope my 5:4 edge holds up, otherwise I am going to die."

- Turn is an off-suit 5, giving Michel an unbeatable hand. But the river is the ace of spades anyway, because it's always the [censored] ace of spades. -

Teddy CIA: "He beat me. Pay that man his money. His silly, silly-looking European money."

-----

Cab Driver: "Where are you off to?"

Michel: "Monte Carlo."

Cab Driver: "Good luck."

Michel: "Shut the [censored] up."

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 19:37

big hand:

Full Tilt Poker Game #5635549064: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (42894457), Table 1 - 40/80 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 19:30:33 ET - 2008/03/14
Seat 1: cboca (4,070)
Seat 3: ARB13 (2,435)
Seat 4: propokerschool (2,075)
Seat 5: foggypete1 (688)
Seat 7: reboman1 (765)
Seat 8: Rendle (1,320)
Seat 9: Aquaman619 (2,147)
Rendle posts the small blind of 40
Aquaman619 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rendle [7c 5s Td Ad]
cboca has 15 seconds left to act
cboca calls 80
ARB13 folds
propokerschool folds
foggypete1 folds
reboman1 folds
Rendle calls 40
Aquaman619 checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd Tc 6d]
Rendle checks
Aquaman619 bets 120
cboca calls 120
Rendle calls 120
*** TURN *** [Kd Tc 6d] [Qd]
Rendle checks
Aquaman619 checks
cboca checks
*** RIVER *** [Kd Tc 6d Qd] [Jd]
Rendle bets 300
Aquaman619 calls 300
cboca folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rendle shows [7c 5s Td Ad] a Royal Flush, for high
Aquaman619 shows [Js Ks 2d 9d] a flush, King high, for high
Rendle wins the pot (1,200) with a Royal Flush
The blinds are now 50/100
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,200 | Rake 0
Board: [Kd Tc 6d Qd Jd]
Seat 1: cboca folded on the River
Seat 3: ARB13 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: propokerschool didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: foggypete1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: reboman1 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Rendle (small blind) showed [7c 5s Td Ad] and won (1,200) with HI: a Royal Flush
Seat 9: Aquaman619 (big blind) showed [Js Ks 2d 9d] and lost with HI: a flush, King high

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:15

I saw the sick-est hand ever about 2 weeks ago. Live play. $3/$5 $150 max bet spread limit.

Cut off limps in. Button raises to $20. SB raises to $40. BB calls. Cut Off folds Button Calls. Pot is $125 or so.

(Button has $250ish, SB has $500ish and BB has well over $1k)

Flop is A72.

it took less than 30 seconds for "all in", "all in" , "all in"

SB flips over AA
BB flips over 77
Button flip over 22

Turn river come 2..... 7....
BB is happy camper. Sick.

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:22

Wow.

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:26

Double bad-beat. That would be worth 200K spread around the table at parkers, a casino around here.

I'm not sure how they'd do it, but I think the aces-full and quad deuces would take home about 60 grand each, quad 7s would take home 40 and the rest of the table would split the last 40K.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 22:34

Wow...that is a sick hand...

Rendle...I would pot bet that turn...especially in Omaha....if you have the best hand do not let them draw cheap. Nice to get the royal on the end but you would have won even more...

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 23:37

TRS, how you been doing? Still playing Omaha?

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 00:51

Probably 70% Omaha...20% NLHE...10% tournaments...

On a little downstreak but playing pretty well for the year. Getting back into holdem after playing almost exclusively Omaha for a few months.

Played live last weekend in Indiana...I need to play live more...it felt so much easier than online. I felt like I was the best player at the table all night...mostly weak tight players who I could constantly raise or reraise preflop and if they missed the flop they would fold...I was playing a lot of connectors, small pairs, and trash when I was in position...I doubled my buyin over 4 hours but really never hit any big hands all night...I won only one or two hands that got to show down and no big pots...I lost 3 medium/big pots when I missed draws or got caught bluffing but all of the small/medium pots I picked up more than made up for it. If I would have caught any hands these players were primed to get stacked...they would bet weak and give the right price to draw on them and if you caught a card they were willing to call big bets on the river. Online just seems far tougher these days...the average player is so much more solid.

One memorable hand...I have JJ on the button...few limps...cutoff raises, only other solid player at the table, I figure he is trying to steal the button...I reraise 3x...folds around to him and he calls. Flop come A-9-2...he checks...I bet out 2/3 the pot...he thinks a long time and then finally folds KK face up...I show him the JJ. He was talking about the hand for an hour...it was a good show of a bluff because it got him off of his game. He should have pounded me preflop with the KK.

I need to get back out to Vegas...those games felt even better. Considering heading there for a 3-4 day weekend in June during the WSOP...no tournaments for me but I would like to watch some final tables and play cash games.

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 09:59

Yeah, I think I was looking for a check raise. Just wanted to show off how to make the minimum on the best hand in the game.

Chuck
ID: 352542320
Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 04:53

Hey guys... haven't been on here (or playing poker) much, but getting back into a bit. Trying to use limit to build up the bankroll a bit. Just wondering if I got the max out of this hand:

PokerStars Game #16306142888: Hold'em Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/28 - 04:44:18 (ET)
Table 'Helwerthia' 10-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Chuck42181 ($47 in chips)
Seat 2: rubikon ($45.75 in chips)
Seat 3: arco183 ($22.75 in chips)
Seat 4: reebok122 ($96.50 in chips)
Seat 5: baccster ($21.50 in chips)
Seat 6: kennism ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Borre53 ($22 in chips)
Seat 8: shiggy9 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 9: sunpokerking ($42 in chips)
Seat 10: levin_money ($54.25 in chips)
reebok122: posts small blind $0.50
baccster: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Chuck42181 [Td Jh]
kennism: folds
Borre53: folds
shiggy9: folds
sunpokerking: calls $1
levin_money: folds
Chuck42181: calls $1
rubikon: raises $1 to $2
arco183: folds
arco183 is sitting out
reebok122: calls $1.50
baccster: calls $1
sunpokerking: calls $1
Chuck42181: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9d Qh Kc]
reebok122: checks
baccster: checks
sunpokerking: checks
Chuck42181: checks
rubikon: bets $1
reebok122: calls $1
baccster: raises $1 to $2
sunpokerking: folds
Chuck42181: calls $2
rubikon: raises $1 to $3
reebok122: calls $2
baccster: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
Chuck42181: calls $2
rubikon: calls $1
reebok122: calls $1
*** TURN *** [9d Qh Kc] [7d]
reebok122: checks
baccster: bets $2
Chuck42181: calls $2
rubikon: calls $2
reebok122: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [9d Qh Kc 7d] [Ad]
kennism is sitting out
reebok122: checks
kennism leaves the table
baccster: bets $2
Chuck42181: raises $2 to $4
rubikon: calls $4
reebok122: folds
baccster: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chuck42181: shows [Td Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
rubikon: mucks hand
SuitedKings1 joins the table at seat #6
Chuck42181 collected $43 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44 | Rake $1
Board [9d Qh Kc 7d Ad]
Seat 1: Chuck42181 showed [Td Jh] and won ($43) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: rubikon mucked [Ac Ks]
Seat 3: arco183 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: reebok122 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: baccster (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: kennism folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Borre53 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: shiggy9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: sunpokerking folded on the Flop
Seat 10: levin_money folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I was trying to play the role of the calling station. However, it looks like I should have gotten a bet in on the turn. I just figured I was going to get a raise behind me and wanted to keep people in the hand.
I was trying to play

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 09:08

I do not know that a raise on the turn does anything for you...you probably lose a player on the turn and do not get a chance to raise the river.

wolfer
ID: 24238210
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 23:02

Anyone here play in Doyle's Room?

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Mon, Apr 14, 2008, 13:46

I sit down last night and first hand get dealt AA in 2-40 spread.

Raise to 10 pre-flop, second to act.

Flop comes 5s4c3c. Scary. I bet 30. I get raised 40 to 70. I guess he's on a good draw but not there yet, and re-raise 40.

Turn is a miss. Check to me and I bet 40 again. Call.

River is a 6. Double-scary. Check to me and I show my aces. He caught his set of sixes on the river.

Second hand:
40 bucks left from my buy-in. Dealt 8s9s. figuring I'm doomed to rebuy, I figure I'll use this 40 to project a loose, unpredictable image.

Raise 10 under the gun. 4 callers.

Flop comes 6sKc4h. Not much help, but I figure I'll represent a K with a kicker. BB checks. I push my last 30. Fold. Fold. BB call with KJ.

I say "Good call. I got a wee-bit of a draw." He chuckles.

Flop 7s.

River 5s.

250 jackpot and the dude goes on tilt and gives away all his money in the next 10 minutes.

Poker's a funny game. The river was nasty to everyone last night.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 30471016
Tue, Apr 29, 2008, 02:58

Trip report...
On the road today and found that my hotel was less than a mile from the Bay 101 card room in San Jose...

Played 3-5 spread limit holdem...max bet $200 so it pretty much played like a NL game. Lost a big hand early when I called a raise 20 with Q-10 after 3 people called the raise before me...flop came Q-10-2...initial raiser bets out 40...I raise to $120 and he puts me all-in...I call and he flips over AA...and then proceeds to hit a JJ turn/river for a better two pair....~$600 pot...I then lose another $100 with QQ vs KK...donk off $200 because I was a bit tilted...and I am down around $800 at my low point of the night...around 3 hours into playing...

Finally get some chips and double up when I flop a nut flush (no idea what the other player had) to give me like 500...and a bit later limp in with 8-9...flop comes 9-8-6...~$40 in the pot...player bets 20...I call...player behind me raises 60...initial raiser calls...I strongly consider folding here...someone must have a straight. Make a crying call...and get rewarded with a 9 on the turn...check check and reraiser pushes his last 200 in and the other player pushes his 150...love when they bet for you...I call w/nuts...initial raiser has 5-7 flopped a straight...reraiser has 9-5...they are drawing dead. Back up for the night $100...play for around 20 more minutes and walk away a $100 winner...kind of sucked but much better than being down 8.

I thought the card room was nice. They spread a lot of limit games which was kind of surprising to me but I guess this is the hot bed of limit holdem. I wish I had a live card room close to home...I have to drive a good hour...I would love to play more live...always feel comfortable playing live.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 30471016
Tue, Apr 29, 2008, 03:01

The one thing I did not like about the room was that the regulars soft played each other...a few times people checked the nuts on the river...or agreed to check a flop down...seemed unethical to me.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Apr 29, 2008, 11:41

Speaking my language there TRS. That used to be my home track (Bay 101) and popped my first tourney cherry there - remember those first poker threads? In my 2nd tourney there I placed 6th out of 120.

biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Tue, Apr 29, 2008, 13:30

"The one thing I did not like about the room was that the regulars soft played each other."

Yeah, that happens where I play too. The more I play there, the more I have to resist the urge.

I'm going down to San Jose in a few weeks for the Bay to Breakers. Maybe I'll check out Bay 101. I'm starting to really like spread-limit, but probably because it's not legal to play NL, except on a Res around here.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Apr 29, 2008, 14:17

bili - there are major, established card rooms all around the Bay Area. Artichoke Joe's on one side (South SF or Burlingame I think), Oaks Card Club in Emeryville (right on the Oakland/Berkeley side of the Bay Bridge), and Bay 101 in San Jose....with others in other communities too.

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Tue, Apr 29, 2008, 14:20

I'll be staying in Mountain View, and probably can't make a long drive. Are there any closer rooms?

Sludge
ID: 2045716
Thu, May 01, 2008, 09:06

Am I the only one that thinks that this is nuts?

ESPN announces 2008 WSOP TV schedule and final table date change

The major change comes with the completion of the final table. Typically, the final table is played after a day off when the field reaches nine players. The 2008 WSOP main event will be delayed until Nov. 9 and 10 instead of the originally scheduled date of July 16.

In a competition that is all about information (at least the part you can control), I'm not much on this idea. It removes the grind. The fatigue. It allows players four MONTHS to talk to other players from the tournament to help them adjust their own playing styles as well as find out the tendencies of the other players. And with millions of dollars on the line, don't you think they will? I would, that's for damn sure.

Don't get me wrong, I always find out who won before I get to see it on TV (never of my own volition) and it drives me nuts when I do because it spoils some of the fun. So not finding out before watching it will be nice. And maybe the poker will be better with 9 well-rested and well-informed players.

Even still, I think this is pretty lame.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Thu, May 01, 2008, 09:33

There are definitely pluses and minuses...

If you are the best player going into the final table it is a big disadvantage. I imagine the other players are going to be coached and play for the 4 months proceeding the final table...they will be completely remade players when they actually play the final table. Takes away you edge.

The advantages is I would guess these players will do appearances...get paid some money...can make deals...etc...etc...before the final table occurs. Can hopefully earn a little before you actually get prize money. I heard each player will be paid 9th place money when the final table is set so at least they get something while they are waiting. It may turn the final table into more of an event...anything that brings more interest to the game probably helps.

I have watched the final table on PPV the past couple years and it certainly would be great if we could see hole cards during the live play.

It does raise some interesting questions though...what happens if someone dies before the final table? Seems like collusion and other deal making is more possible.

I think it is a good one year experiment.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Thu, May 01, 2008, 19:16

chicago, can you please email me

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, May 01, 2008, 19:40

bili #89 - if you are staying in Mountain View, Bay 101 is definitely your best bet. Right off of Hwy 101 with great access to and from Mtn View.

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Thu, May 01, 2008, 19:52

Cool. Thanks.

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Fri, May 02, 2008, 17:52

I like the change. It's going to be a huge pubicity stunt and something a lot of people will be talking about. Even non poker players could watch it if they hype it enough.

It does hurt the final tablers that already know a ton about the game. Presumably, they can't get much better but the weaker players could vastly improve. Still, I doubt many of those that final table event will be complaining about it since endorsements, publicity, and fame will be much easier to come by with the live final table airing.

If I made the final table I'd do something to stand out, like not shave my beard for the 4 months wait.

R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, May 02, 2008, 18:12

I like the change. Not sure if that long a wait is neccessary, but whatever. The final table does get somewhat lost in the shuffle of the WSOP crazyness. Having it be a whole event onto itself, like the Superbowl or World Series, will give it alot more exposure.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 30471016
Tue, Jun 03, 2008, 15:25

Anyone headed to the WSOP this year? I am still debating whether I should make a trip...I have been running pretty well lately so I am considering spending 4-5 days out there just to play cash tables.

Headed to San Jose next week for a week...I am in a CCNA boot camp so I am not sure how much time I will be able to devote to poker but hopefully can play a night or two at Bay 101.

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Wed, Jun 04, 2008, 23:20

I'm out here until July. It's pretty crazy. Played in 2 events already but busted with typical bad beats for a lot of chips :)

Rio is way better organized this year compared to last.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 30471016
Tue, Jun 10, 2008, 23:26

Played at the Bay 101 tonight. Did not plan on it but went out for dinner and some how I found my way to the Bay 101 ;-) ate dinner there and figured I would play for 1.5 hours.

Table was very loose aggressive right from the start...lot of reraises with garbage hands...~4 players capable of this at any point and lots of callers. I decided to play tight since I knew I did not have the time to get involved a lot and was not in the mood to bleed off a lot of money. The cards pretty much dictated how I played anyway as I never had anything for the first hour. I decided to take advantage of hopefully the image I had built and try to steal a pot from the cutoff...on a raggedy flop a very loose player to my left bet $20 on the flop...I raised $60 with K6 nothing...unfortunately I got two callers. Turn was another garbage card...figure the only way I win the pot is to bet...players check to me and I go all-in for around 100...both players hem and haw saying they know I have aces. One player calls...I figure I am cooked. Ready to muck my cards on the river...river is a blank...do not really even want to show my hand...flip up the King high and the caller cannot beat a king...lol...straight draw...and I scoop a $400 pot. Listen to that player cry for 20 minutes about the hand. I win another 100 or so with pockets KKs later and end the short stay at Bay 101 up $300.

Works for me...going to the SF vs Oakland game Saturday night...compliments of a K high.

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Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 11:55

LOL......nice TRS. That doesn't surprise me about the loose aggressive play. Did you like the facility?

Freddy Deeb's ex-wife (and not exactly a 'nice' split from what I could tell in my 1 minute conversation) works as a floor man there.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 30471016
Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 12:06

I really liked the facility...second time I have played there. I wish I had access to that type facility where I live...everything is pretty good about it...good food served right at the table...a lot of tables...loose players...good parking, do not have to walk far...etc...

I would say the only negative is that it is not true NL...but from what I have seen it plays pretty much like NL with a max $200 bet...at least at the lower tables...might be more of a problem at bigger limits. I also do not like the plastic/rubber-y chips...they get kind of sticky...though they are better than when I was there a month or so back...seems like they had all new chips this time.

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biliruben
ID: 33258140
Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 14:01

I gotta find time to sneak away from the in-laws next time I'm in Mountain View. Sounds like a house I would do well in.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 12:08

Trip report...Majestic Casino Gary, IN...

Not a very long session...got to the casino around midnight and played until 3am. Couple interesting hands. 2-5 NL $500 max buy-in.

First hand...I had just been moved from the must move table to a regular table. Not even in a hand yet. It is the turn...the board is 5 - J - 9 - K rainbow. There is around $150 in the pot. An older gentlemen who seems very drunk but has a lot of chips in front of him...~$2500. He stands up and says "screw it...I have been drinking I am all-in". Next player to act goes into the tank...he has ~$1500 and is like WTF? after 5 minutes he finally folds (he had a set of 5s). Next player has around $500...and he is also like #$%#$%! He flips up pockets Kings for a set of kings and goes into the tank for like 5 minutes plus...finally someone calls clock and he ends up folding a set of Kings. Drunk guy mucks his cards...and then needles the set of Ks for the next hour..."I had a straight...nope I did not have it...I had it...no I didn't...can't believe you folded a set...etc"

Big fold...I would have called with the Kings and not even thought about it much especially with a not very deep stack...I could see the set of 5s folding since he was so deep...even if he has the straight you have FH outs. After the fact I think the drunk guy had the straight and I also think the "drunk guy" was a little bit of an actor. He never really got out of line in future hands and I think while he was drinking he was acting a lot more drunk than he actually was. Just an interesting hand.

I won one big pot with pockets Qs...made a standard preflop raise ($20) and got reraised ($80) by a player who I already had a read on as someone making a lot of preflop steals with marginal cards. I called, another player called. Flop came 10-7-3. Reraiser opened for about half the pot. I felt I was good and was playing the hand out...called...did not want to reraise and scare off his future bluffs. Player after me raises...nearly putting me it. First player/bluffer folds...and I think for awhile...only likely hand that probably beats me here is a set...I am getting around 4 to 1 and I push all-in...which is only like $100 more to his raise...he looks displeased but calls...board bricks out and I take the pot. Not sure what he had...either a 10 or flush draw would be my guess.

Played another hour or so and went home...doubled my buy-in plus some gas money.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 12:10

Anyone tracking WSOP 08?

A lot of big name pro winners...won't post any names to avoid spoilers.

Should probably start a new thread.

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Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 14:15

So as not to stumble across spoilers while digging, can anyone tell me when they will start airing some of the events?

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 14:25

They have been airing a lot of the final tables live on ESPN360...

For users who do not get ESPN360...can use this link:
bwin wsop video

I don't expect ESPN to start broadcasting WSOP08 until ~late Aug/beginning of Sept...but I am not 100% sure. I know the Main event final table will take place live in November.

Not sure if you heard...but the main event final table while decided in July will not actually be played until November so no worry about spoilers. I think the table will take place one day and be broadcast the next.

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DMAN
ID: 420562310
Wed, Jul 09, 2008, 17:08

Episodes Begin Premiering July 22 and Will Continue on Tuesday Nights

Tuesdays just got that much more exciting, as ESPN recently announced the 2008 World Series of Poker television schedule, and beginning July 22, “Tuesday night is poker night on ESPN.”

Every Tuesday night from July 22-Sept. 2 a new episode of the WSOP will premiere from 8-10 p.m. ET. The first episode appropriately starts with event No. 1, the $10,000 buy-in pot-limit hold’em championship.

The $10,000 buy-in main event is scheduled to premiere on Sept. 2 from 8p.m.-10 p.m. ET and will continue airing on Tuesday nights from Sept. 9 to Oct. 28, but at 9-11 p.m. ET. ESPN will show the action all the way down to the final table of nine. On Nov. 4 at 8 p.m.-10 p.m., a final-table preview show will air.

This is the first year that no one will know the results of the main event months before the airing of the episode. In May, ESPN and Harrah’s Entertainment announced that the main event will not conclude on July 16 as originally scheduled, but instead, after taking nearly a four-month break, the final table will reconvene Nov. 9. The remaining nine players will play down to heads up. On Nov. 10, the final two players will play for the more than $9.1 million first-place prize and a permanent place in poker history as a WSOP champion. Television audiences will be reintroduced to the final nine on Nov. 11, when the final table episode airs from 9 p.m.-11 p.m. ET.

The following is the schedule of premieres:
Tuesdays on ESPN Date Time Event
July 22 8-10 p.m. ET $10,000 pot-limit hold'em world championship
July 29 8-10 p.m. ET $1,500 no-limit hold'em
Aug. 5 8-10 p.m. ET $1,500 pot-limit hold'em/$5,000 mixed hold'em
Aug. 12 8-10 p.m. ET $1,000 no-limit hold'em with rebuys
Aug. 19 8-10 p.m. ET $50,000 H.O.R.S.E. world championship
Aug. 26 8-10 p.m. ET $10,000 pot-limit Omaha world championship
Sept. 2 8-10 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Sept. 9 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Sept. 16 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Sept. 23 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Sept. 30 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Oct. 7 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Oct. 14 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Oct. 21 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Oct. 28 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event
Nov. 4 8-10 p.m. ET Main event final-table preview show
Nov. 11 9-11 p.m. ET $10,000 no-limit hold'em main event final table

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 12:06

Trip report...

Played at Majestic in Gary, IN last night...2-5 NL.

One interesting hand...I have A-10 clubs on the button. Couple limpers to me I make a standard raise of $20. One caller. Flop comes all low cards with one club. I make a continuation bet of $30...get called. I am pretty much done with the hand. Turn is a club so I decide to make a semi-bluff since I have the nut flush draw....$65 bet and get called. River is the Q of clubs....giving me the nut flush/nuts. Player leads out $190...woohoo..I stall around a bit. I have ~$300 behind after I call. I finally go all-in...get insta-called...lady jumps out of her seat and slams down a king high flush..."I CALL! FLUSH!"...I calmly flip over the A-10 clubs for the nut flush and the lady lets out around a 100 decibal scream of "FU#%!!!!" the entire room looks at her, her chair slams on the floor. Nice ~$1200 pot...obviously lucky...wish I had more money as she had ~$700 more behind and she would have stacked off...no way she could put me on the flush. Actually conversed with the lady for awhile after the hand...she was a regular there and was very shocked by the hand...very friendly...gave me a ton of compliments...heheh allowed me to bluff her a few times later.

One guy at the table had ~8K in front of him...had been in the same seat for over 36 hours and had been at the casino since Wednesday...84+ hours...and I thought I was a sick gambler.

Played 3 hours about tripled my buy-in...worked for me.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 09:26

Final table set for the WSOP main event...take a break for 4 months...

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Rendle
ID: 59638810
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 16:21

ChicagoTRS, what limits you playing online now? I'm playing 50NL and mixing in some 100NL when I'm trying to not be a nit. I moved back over to Full Tilt when they offered me rakeback and it's really added a boost to my bankroll.

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Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 17:15

Funny seven-deuce story:

I'm in Reno Sunday into Tuesday this week. Monday was golf/client stuff in nearby Lake Tahoe so I decided to head up to Reno to gamble and catch a shorter drive to Tahoe. I went to my normal casino in Reno....they were only spreading a 4/8 half kill.

The game was looser than a Mustang Ranch veteran courtisan. Combo of a few locals/regulars and travelers. A lot of callers on many flops and turns and even multiple showdown callers. This one guy was really funky (okay, stupid is a better word) - on more than a couple of occasions he would 2, 3 or 4 bet 2 pair or a set with a board showing either 4 to a flush or 4 to a straight. Or he would raise the straight with a flush or pair on the board - crazy stuff.

So, I had won two in a row, so it was a kill pot and the limits went up to 6/12. As the kill pot winner, I had a forced 6 dollar blind....as luck would have it, I was also the big blind. Loose maniac to my left raises to 12, and there are THREE callers. I have 7-2 off, but with $54 in the pot I'm getting 9-to-1 so I call. Flop comes 2-2-10 rainbow. I'm first to act and of course check.

It checks around to the last player to act, who bets. I raise it up, not wanting a pocket pair to fill up on me. One person calls the whole 12 while the bettor calls, so three way action to the turn. Turn is a 5c. There are two clubs on the board now. I bet out the 12, and one guy folds. The guy who bet the flop rolls his eyes and reluctantly calls. To pour salt into the wound, river is a 7c to give me deuces full of sevens. I bet and he calls. As he is calling I already start to make light of the subject, apologizing and quoting pot odds....he turns over KK and throws his hands into the air with his eyes rolling into the back of his head upon seeing my seven-deuce.

He proceeds to ask how I could play that. I quote my 9-1 odds, and the guarantee that it couldn't be raised again as I was last to act. He barked about it off and on a few times before busting out and leaving.

........to make it even funnier, after golf and whatnot I make my way down to the poker room again at 6:00pm-ish, and my friend is there. I sit down and he points at me, exclaiming "THAT'S HIM!!". I laugh and ask the table "is he telling the seven-deuce story?!?" and they all laugh and nod their heads, so we all had a good laugh about it. Even the guy I put the beat on and I had laughs about it and had a good time.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 17:29

Rakeback is tremendous...

I play mostly 200PLO & 400PLO. Some NL at the same limits. But mostly PLO these days. Was playing 1000 and 2000PLO for the last few months until I took a major 3 day downswing (TILT) to my bankroll. Grinding at the lower limits until I can recover. PLO has a lot higher variance...something I need to mentally adjust to and also must adjust my bankroll requirements so I can withstand bad sessions.

Online NL lately is getting tough, I can barely beat it especially when multi-tabling...if I concentrate on just one table I generally do very well...play is just better across the board...cannot really survive playing in a robotic fashion anymore. Plus I think after playing strictly NL for the past 4 years I am just bored of the game...PLO is so much more interesting...so many more dynamics to the game.

Live I am playing NL and having very good success in limited play.

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rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Aug 06, 2008, 21:59

I have been playing on PS and Absolute to varying degrees the past 6 months. I'm playing all over the board.. from .50/$1 NL to $10/$20 NL and I am discovering the level of play is much better than 12 months ago. I can't beat any of the games consistently. I'm "break even" plus rake + plus bonus, so my hourly rate has gone way down. The fish who used to play/reload are all gone. I was hoping to see an up tick with the start of WSOP, but so far, no new fishes.

I'm considering a change:

1) Play "live" only
2) play S N G's
3) play tourneys.

Anyone else ready for a change?

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 13:36

1) live is good...my win rate live has been much better than online recently.
2) SNGs...played out...they are just as tough as NL ring games.
3) tourneys...tough to make consistent money unless you make a big score.

I think the most profitable opportunities are live (though even the live players I know are complaining that their games are getting tougher)...PLO a lot of players are moving to the game and are still not playing it well...mixed games same thing, the interest is up but hard to get excited playing limit poker.

Just becoming a tougher landscape...probably will not change until the government loosens the online restrictions or hopefully one day joins the party...then the game will be very good.

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biliruben
ID: 52561217
Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 14:32

I haven't played much lately, but I occasionally play live - get a decent 2-40 spread game, and if I time it for after a ball game, that usually brings in some fish. I hadn't played a tourney in a long time, but did a small midnight tourney last night at one of the local casinos, and I realized how much I miss it.

But the players were generally of much higher quality than I remember. I was the only one kinda drunk, but that can work to your advantage in a tourney if you aren't too drunk and its a reasonably short tourney, because you are a bit more aggressive, which is necessary, and people underestimate you a bit. Plus it's fun.

Got down to final 4 medium stack, then pushed with A 10, and got 2 callers with lesser hands, probably because I was drunk and had played lots of hands when the blinds were small. Of course the K J caught his J on the river and I was done, but that's how those tourneys work.

In Vegas, I was surprised how hard it was to find a decent tourney. I can generally find bigger ones here.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Sun, Aug 10, 2008, 23:24

Trip report...Horseshoe Hammond, IN...grand opening weekend. Had heard a ton of great reviews regarding this new casino and I was not disappointed. Simply awesome poker room. 36 tables...tons of action...room was as nice as the best Vegas rooms...very comparable to Bellagio or the Venetian. Nice leather chairs...high ceilings...all wood paneled room...big pics of poker greats...50" plasmas everywhere...seperate high limit area...and seperate nose bleed room modeled after Bobby's room at the Bellagio...all first class. The casino itself was huge and reminded me of being in Vegas with a huge open floor...center casino bar...wall to wall people.

As for poker they were spreading a ton of games from 1-2 NL to 100-200 NL...2-5 and 5-10 PLO...Limit Holdem...etc...the wait for 1-2 NL was 60+ people deep. Phil Gordon was there playing 25-50 NL...also saw Antoine Walker hanging in the poker room...did not catch if he was playing. I played 2-5 NL for 3 hours and there was just sick/bad action from a few players...tons of gambling going on. I lost $100 on the night which I was ok with considering I was down a lot more early in the evening. Would have stayed and I am sure I would have had some great chances to win but was with a friend and he had a "curfew".

Example of some of the play...preflop...AK makes it 25...AQ calls...A7 calls...JJ pushes in for 200...AK then pushes 460...AQ calls 460...and A7 pushes his remaining 400. Of course the flop comes 77X and A7 wins a monster pot. I only had one real hand the entire evening when I had 87o and rivered a fullhouse and doubled up. The PLO action was supposedly even better.

Probably one of the top 5 poker rooms in the country and easily the best in the midwest...a lot of really poor players...I feel like I found a new home. Decent comps...scan your player card right at the table and they pay you $2 hour in food comps. I can't believe I have a vegas comparable poker room within a 45 minute drive.

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 10:08

ChicagoTRS, I've started to play PLO online starting at the bottom with PLO25. It's obviously pretty bad at the bottom but the action is great. I've watched some videos at Deuces Cracked and I think I'm learning. Unfortunately I have to play less tables because there's so much more thinking compared to hold em.

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beastiemiked
ID: 06411813
Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 14:36

have been playing on PS and Absolute to varying degrees the past 6 months.

Stop playing at Absolute. They let superusers/cheater play on their site and only stopped them after guys from twoplustwo caught them. Even if they are legit now doesn't change the fact that you are giving rake to a shady company.

119

R9
ID: 21721142
Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 06:24

Agreed, Absolute and Ultimate Bet deserve nothing but to DIAGF.

While I agree the games have gotten tougher overall, there is still a ton of money to be made imho. The opportunities are just different. The 1/2 and 2/4 NL tables see way too much 3-betting maniacs, but alot of them play very poorly post-flop. In essence they put more money in preflop into a pot they lose more often then not. Alot of top players 3-bet a ton, but they know what they are doing post-flop...

I wouldn't give up the cash games rfs, unless you really don't have alot of time. The adjustments needed can be learned by reading a few good books (Harrington's new two volume on cash games is a great start) and by watching videos at Cardrunners and other sites. (Brian Townsend's CR vids are great.)

The tournies at PStars are still great too imo. I'm cashing in their small buy-in rebuys (5$ at 6pm, 3$ at 8pm, 11$ at 10pm) at about a 40% clip since early June, while usually playing 3 cash game tables at the same time. Basic aggressive tourny strategy is easy to follow. Just steal, steal steal. Some guy named Snyder has a couple great tourny books out. But I agree with TRS that you can go a while between scores, which is why I like playing cash games at the same time.

Oh, and I'd always put playing live ahead of online. Its just more fun. :) If you're getting sick of online a bit, try running live more often.

GL! and give us an update.

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biliruben
ID: 38751812
Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 13:55

DIAGF = Die In A Gruesome Fire?

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DWetzel at library
ID: 347481312
Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 14:08

Grease fire, I believe. Very close though!

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Aug 26, 2008, 09:59

Trip report...Horseshoe Hammond IN...went to the Chicago Cubs game Friday afternoon...bleh rotten game. Headed to the Shoe after the game...sat at the 2-5 PLO game...bought in for the table max of $500. My first live PLO experience. Right from the start figured this table for a bunch of gamblers. So I played pretty tight...saw cheap flops when I could...had reloaded $100 early on...was pretty card dead the first 3 hours or so but still managed to work up to ~$850. Our table then got moved to the high limit area which was nice as they serve food at the tables in the high limit area. Enjoyed a sandwich and then I finally started getting some cards. Flopped a nut straight and got paid off...hit a fullhouse and got paid off...before you know it I was sitting with nearly 2K.

Most interesting hand of the night...I had 7 8 9 9 with suited spades. Called a small raise from the dealer position and saw a flop with 4 players...flop came 10-4-5...2 spades but not much else. Older guy at the table led out from the blinds, calling station called...and I decided to call just to float and with the thought I could take the pot away at some point. Turn is a 9...now my hand looks a lot better...set of nines...low spade flush draw...open ended straight draw. Old guy leads out again nearly the full pot...calling station calls...action comes to me and I am not sure how I cannot raise here but the old guy has been the tightest person at the table and looking at him he looks very strong...I can just sense he is itching to reraise...I just think to myself...he has a set of 10s...the only hand he is going to play this way. He has around $600 sitting behind and any raise I make he will be able to push in...I just call. The river brings a J completing the low end straight for me...check...check...I think about betting but a little worried about the calling station...do not think I am going to get a worse hand to call much money so I just check. Sure enough old guy has a set of 10s...calling station has the same low end straight...I show my low end straight and split the pot. Old guy was a bit annoyed I did not pop the turn with my hand...It would have worked out for me as I would have likely called his reraise and then stacked him when I hit the straight but would have been the wrong move as he was ahead 65-35 on the turn.

Cashed out 2K around midnight for a nice win. Nice sitting in front of a mountain of red chips.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Sat, Sep 06, 2008, 15:46

Trip report...Horseshoe Hammond IN...poker room is jumping...they have a promotion where quads pays $500, straight flush 1K, royal 1.5K...and this includes PLO. This is sick +EV for PLO as it is not very uncommon to see those hands...thus some NLHE players have made their way to PLO to take their shot at the high hand jackpots...NLHE = yum yum for regular PLO players. Played 8 hours of 2-5 PLO...Only 1 high hand hit at our table the entire night...other 2-5 PLO table has like 10 hit.

I pretty much suck all night. The table is much stronger than my last trip here...3 very strong players...~7-10K total on the table throughout the night. I am not catching any cards and in my first 5 hours of play I am stuck $1200. I make one last rebuy and 2.5 hours later and I am still stuck ~900...just hoping to get one decent pot and escape only down 500 or so. A lot of raising/reraising preflop. Not uncommon for someone to make it $25 preflop and then get 5 or 6 callers...even reraised $75 pre you might get 4 callers. Table is playing big...I lost a buy in set over set and another with top set vs a big wrap draw.

End of the night and this hand happens...have about 850 stack...I have 7-8-10-A double suited in mid position. Call a 25 raise...6 people see the flop. Flop 6-9-10...bingo! Early position raiser pots it...150...I am next to act and decide to just call...I have no redraw and decide to see another card before jamming...plus there is action behind me...2 more players call...big pot. Turn is a perfect card...2 of hearts which gives me the nut heart redraw. Early position player pots again and is all-in for 450...I push in for ~650. Strong player to my left takes some time...he has a spade draw and eventually folds. Last player has me covered and calls. We all flip them up for the river...last player has same straight....early player had a set of 9s. River is dealt...please do not pair the board...calling for a heart...river K of hearts...woohooo...huge pot and now I am up a buyin+ for the night.

Played a little longer but was ready to go. I was out of position to two of the stronger players that had me covered and was not ready to play that deep. Ran into a good friend, drank a beer or two and went home happy.

I realized tonight I still have a lot of room to improve in this game especially live (and deep)...the 3 very strong players had me intimidated all night. They made some big laydowns and bluffs I do not think I could make but are definitely critical in PLO.

125

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 15:08

Another session at the Shoe Friday...not too interesting. Played 2-5 NL as we could never get enough interest in PLO. Made enough to fill my gas tank, wash the car, and get something to eat...I guess better than losing.

Was a weak tightish table...allowed me to steal a lot but never got in a position to win any big pots...biggest pot I was in all night I lost. AQ...flop was KQx with 3 hearts...I had A of hearts...player (smallish stack) with a king moved all-in...I called and could not catch A/Q or heart. I was actually a little ahead ~coin flip...

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Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 23:00

Got through the final 9 on ESPN's coverage. Were there some BRUTAL beats on the river in tonight's episodes or WHAT?!?!?

127

Rendle
ID: 10738277
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 00:33

Thank god Tiffany Michelle and Brandon Cantu didn't make it. It was brutal watching them.

Ivan Demidov came in 3rd in the WSOP Europe Main Event so he's on quite a roll. He's my pick to win. Phillips can't get hit with the deck forever.

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Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 12:43

I didn't like Tiffany's call for a clock pretty quick into one all in decision. Maybe it was a lot longer than it seemed on TV, but that was pretty F-d up.

To Phillips' credit, he has played his good hands well. He seems to have the composure to make bold moves with nothing as well. Rheem is ballsy but too reckless, IMO.

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 12:55

Tiffany Michelle posted this on the 2+2 poker message boards:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/my-turn-tiffany-michelles-post-wsop-thoughts-332348/

Most of it probably isn't worth reading but Craig Marquis' response was great. (post 19) She responds in post 41 and comes off bitchy again.

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ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 14:42

I agree...total bitch...and thinks she is far better than she actually is. Sort of perfect that she is sponsored by Ultimate Bet...

131

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 14:27

I didn't like Tiffany's call for a clock pretty quick into one all in decision. Maybe it was a lot longer than it seemed on TV, but that was pretty F-d up.

Completely agreed. Wow, did she ever go from "smoking hot" to "ugg, go away" in a heart beat.

I've really enjoyed watching the ESPN coverage this year, the decision to postpone the final table was a great one, in my mind.

Please don't post any spoilers!

I'm pulling for Ylon Schwartz, I just like that guy.

Anyone watch The Grand? I thought it was hilarious, though there were a few times at the table where the hands played were just stupid. I mean, come on, you've got Phil Gordon involved, didn't someone have him read the script to point out the errors? That said, it was really funny, though my wife cannot even fathom watching a movie about poker and laughing. That's like peeing in your own wetsuit... (just watch the movie).

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Rob J
ID: 27754322
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:51

In ref to Post 52:, I think that sounds like a great idea. I think I
could learn a thing or two from all the quality players on here. We
would have to decide on a time of course...

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 16:16

I was weak and ended up listening to the live broadcast yesterday. Still can't wait to watch it on ESPN tomorrow.

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beastiemiked
ID: 5310301021
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 22:30

I listened to it and glad I did. I know Espn will only end up showing 10% of the hands.

135

tastethewaste
ID: 351042811
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 10:31

i cannot believe i watch the whole thing on espn and was looking forward to tonight and then on yahoo they post the final 2 and to click here who the winner was. then im watching sportscenter to see who won the cardinal game and at the bottom of the screen they post the winner!! WTF!?

136

Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 10:38

The sports ticker ruined it for me too. Don't watch espn today if you cared to not know who the winner was beforehand.

137

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 10:39

The winner is mentioned at the top of the page at rotoworld too.

138

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 12:08

Yahoo front page screwed me. WTF!

139

Seattle Zen
ID: 358591721
Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 01:41

Wow, I guess I was lucky to remain in the dark.

There were some really poor pushes in this game that made the final two uncompetitive.

Three cheers for never having to hear "Phil Helmuth is the youngest to ever win the Main Event" again!

I listened to it and glad I did.

Was the audience in the dark, or were the hole cards broadcast? How long did the final table take?

140

Seattle Zen
ID: 358591721
Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 02:11

After reading a blog, Eastgate had a $79M to $57M chip lead going heads-up, not a dominate lead. That's the problem with watching the ESPN synopsis, they only showed a few hands, gave it maybe ten minutes.

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Donkey Hunter
Leader
ID: 916288962
Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 08:40

The heads up was close to 4 hours. The first hand they showed on the broadcast heads up was actually like hand 80.

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beastiemiked
ID: 5310301021
Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 14:39

Hole cards weren't broadcast to anyone. Everyone had to wait until the ESPN broadcast to see just how badly Phillips played :)

It sucks that only 2 hands were shown of the Eastgate/Demidov battle. They were the best 2 at the table and I'm sure there were a lot of interesting hands in situations during their heads up battle.

I think it's funny that ESPN was spilling the news. I can understand other websites and tv programs spoiling it for ESPN but having PTI and Sportscenter have headlines on it is kinda funny.

It reminded me of the Moneymaker year. That year during commercials of the main event broadcast they had Moneymaker promoting some website as the 2003 main event champion.

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Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 14:46

It takes a serious poker fan to listen to an audio broadcast of a 15 hour final table without the hole cards!

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beastiemiked
ID: 5310301021
Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 20:14

I didn't listen to the heads up part and that was 4-5 hours of the 15 hours. Plus, I was playing online poker at the same time. It actually allowed me to get in more hours than I'm used to playing/working.

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