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Subject: Survivor - Season 16 - Micronesia.

Posted by: JeffG - Leader [01584348] Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 09:41

Season 16 was filmed in Pulau (where Season 10 was filmed) will feature a tribe of invitees from seasons 7-15, and a tribe of "fans".

Chuck
ID: 161153920
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 23:47

I'm still waiting for Survivor to go to a cold climate...

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 00:20

Here are the all-stars/favorites:
James Clement: China
Eliza Orlins: Vanuatu
Jonathan Penner: Cook Islands
Yau-Man Chan: Fiji
Jon Dalton (Johnny Fairplay): Pearl Islands
Ami Cusack: Vanuatu
Ozzy Lusth: Cook Islands
Amanda Kimmel: China
Parvati Shallow: Cook Islands
Cirie Fields: Panama

Pics at this web site...a lot easier to remember a face than name...
link

I like the list...a few people I would like to see again. Fairplay just for entertainment value, Amanda for eye candy and she is a player, Cusack is definitely a player, Ozzy athlete and player, Yau decent player, Penner deserves another chance, Parvati seems like schemer.

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 22:31

Too bad Fairplay was the first to go. He would have added some drama to the show.

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 00:57

Yeah, I was really hoping he had a scam in his pocket to get the one group to waste some votes.

Then, when he was voted out, I was seriously expecting him to say he made up the pregnant thing. Oh well.

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 02:18

Jonny Fairquitter makes me sick! Why even show up and then quit the show as soon as you can? What a wasted opportunity. You could tell that Jeff Probst was none too pleased.

Fairquitter could have been really, really good this year with his outlandish and unpredictable behavior coinciding with his unique manipulation skills but I think that when he saw that he was not going to be in either of the "in groups", he just took his ball(s) and went home. Loser!

I was mildly surprised that there is already two groups of four in play for the "favorites". Poor Ciree....she'll be asked to choose a side and then will be given her walking papers soon after.

Meanwhile, anybody see just how happy the "fans" were in winning the first challenge? I'm thinking payback is coming....big time! But I like the setup of this season and hopefully it'll turn out extremely entertaining.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 12:26

I agree with Bond's take of Fairstupid.
Seems he outwitted/played/smarted himself.
Here's my plan....I will trick the other 9 players into voting for me and they wont know what hit them.
"I played survivor 16 and all I got was this bump on my head when I got owned by Yau-man".
He is nothing more than a pathetic loser.
The only thing I will miss is him getting kicked in the shins by the fans chick.
I didnt like him the first time and even less this time.
Good ridance.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 13:23

lol weykool - you're right. When you get punked physically by Yao-man, you SUCK! Fairplay is so lame it's great that we don't have to talk about him anymore. But one last thing about him: Hey Johnny - ever heard of Crest White Strips - they work pretty well dude!

Boy Parvati knows how to cuddle up fast, don't she? She's cute and has a nice body but she looks weird always smiling.

I like the firefighter dude. It's not that he can out muscle James, but the fact that he was ready and willing to take him on - that he relished the challenge - was cool. I liked that.

That Kathy chick was hilariously lame. "I've never had a gay friend before!!" and "I've never seen fake boobs so close before!" just had me rolling on the floor. The look on the boob-girl's face was priceless.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 14:44

The Kathy Chick will be the 2nd plsyer voted out of the Fans unless she is dumbe enough to give her immunity to someone at the first tribal.
Those who lack interpersonal skills will not be given an early exit......see chicken from last season.

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:26

Parvati is hot! Sorry! Had to be said!

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 17:09

I second the Parvati thought...she knows how to use it too...

What a weeny...Fairplay...I was hoping he would stick around for entertainment value but after witnessing that crap I am glad he is gone. I am sure these all-stars get paid more than just prize money...so that was probably his angle...work out a deal and then tank and be gone first vote...get paid.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 22:49

Pretty cool tribal council tonight. Blind sides make for better tv. I do not recall any other vote-off in all the prior seasons where the primary reason for deciding who to eject was because that person were aligned with someone masterminding the vote. Mikey's face was priceless.

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 00:35

Cutthroat TV at its best! This is why Survivor remains the best reality show there has ever been. Concoct a plan to take out a certain member, pretend to go along to get along, then take a different unassuming innocent person, blindside them and send a message to the rest of the group all with one big vote. Love it!

The blindside has always been the best strategic move of the game and for it to happen at the very first tribal council?....Priceless!

One of the interesting parts of this was that the one who originated the idea...Joel....actually went against his own plan!!!! He voted for Tracy and not Mary. How crazy is that? It shows me right off that he's got a bunch of people scared of him and since he is also the strongest one of the bunch, he is assured to stay in this game until at least the merge. Of course now he can play dumb and proclaim privately to Mikey B that he himself was unaware what was happening because he voted for Tracy. LOL Ignorance IS bliss isn't it?

I'm really interested how quick the game dynamics have changed in the Favorites camp. With the two couples hooking up, you just know that the other five remaining tribe mates HAVE to take those couples apart very quickly. Naturally, you have to keep your brute strength (James) and your best swimmer and probably best player (Ozzy), so then either Parvati or Amanda will be excused next time they go to tribal.

All in all, a great start for Survivor this year. I like the personalities, the conflicts (especially with the Fans' having not one but two shelters!!!! because of their inner bickerings LOL What's up with that???) and the return of Exile Island. This could very well be one of the best shows that Survivor has ever presented!

WiddleAvi
ID: 251113917
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 08:48

While it made for interesting TV I thought it was a dumb move. They should be spending the first while building trust so that later in the game when they are down to 5,6,7 players they think they can trust you and then you doubled cross them. By doing it so early it will be harder to get people to trust yo.

C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 11:31

It was a fun Episode 2, but it was still just an Episode 2.

What we saw on the Fan side was Friday Morning Armchair Survivor. Mikey plays "what-if, what-if, if-then" logic circles that showed too much thinking and over-analysis. What viewers like him don't realize is that over 48 hours is editted down to less than 48 minutes.

Now it's my turn to play FMAS. Joel did two things right, but one thing wrong. He played it right when he pegged Mikey as both a schemer and a strong player to keep. He went wrong by pants-ing Mikey at the first Tribal Council. He should have held that back at least two more councils. His other right move was not going along with his own plan and getting everyone else to do his dirty work.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 13:18

I think it was too early to pull a move like that...now Mikey may have enough to turn the tables if he teams up with the oldies. I think they would have been better off picking off the oldies since you really do not want any of them to make the merge...plus they are detriments in the challenges. There would have been plenty of time to bust up the Mike alliance later.

I guess it makes for better TV but I think you are better off picking off the weak links to start.

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 00:03

Goodbye Yau-Man....we hardly knew you this time around.

2/21 Recap

Jonathan really, really, really messed things up with his big mouth. He really seems to cover all bases: An excellent strategist, a wonderful mind, a logical gameplayer and yet a persistently untrustworthy and outspoken opponent. For whatever reason, his constant bickering with Cirie has caused a rift from which he'll never recover. If you're going to air out all your dirty laundry, it's best NOT to do it at Tribal Council!

Now, I believe his plan to oust Pavarati was sound but the way he tried to force it upon Cirie was just not wise. Cirie, for all her sweet and smiling ways, is a conniver with the best of them and if I were Jonathan and Co., once I knew she wasn't with us, I'd have to vote her out. Unfortunately, things didn't turn out that way.

But now Jonathan is pretty much isolated now. Even Ami and Eliza voted elsewhere so he has the support of absolutely nobody except himself. Rest assured we haven't heard the last of him but there's no way he can win this game. None. Zero. Zilch.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 00:10

I agree that Jonathan is toast.
The problem is Cerie just slit her own throat.
After the next vote she is expendable.
She should have realized that the allaince of 4 was tight and would be more difficult to break up.
Now she wont have the numbers to vote any of them off.

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 00:26

I agree. But just how she got everybody else to vote against Yau-man is beyond me. But remember, she now has some camardarie with Parvati and Amanda that she didn't have before. Slowly but surely, this girl has become the mental power player of the team.

On another note, certainly everybody should know by now that pre-merger, you get rid of your weakest physical/mental threat.
Post-merger, you get rid of the strongest. That's how you play Survivor!

Losing Yau-man now just seriously depletes the team of any active brain cells it had left plus he was actually pretty decent at most physical challenges he's been involved in, in the past.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 15:55

On another note, certainly everybody should know by now that pre-merger, you get rid of your weakest physical/mental threat.
Post-merger, you get rid of the strongest. That's how you play Survivor!

How is it that this concept gets overlooked every year?
Last week the Fans did the same thing.
They kept the week players in order to break up an alliance of two.
As TRS pointed out it was too early to pull that move.
You let the guy who thinks he is in charge pull all the strings and THEN you stab him in the back just prior to the merge.

While Cirie may have mastermind the Yau vote, she has really put herself in a bad spot.
Not only that but het tactics could backfire on her.
What is keeping Amy from going to the 4 and telling them she will be their 5th vote.
Cirie would now be highly expendable.
Not breaking up the couples was a huge mistake.
As the vote revealed last night Jonathan's group was not all that tight.
If she had agreed to vote off Parviti the biggest alliance would have been 2.
There could have been endless possibilities instead of her being one of the next 4 to go.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:52

Voting off Yau Man and splintering the tribe completely was really dumb. If the couple's decide to keep her does she really think the others left on her tribe come merge time are going to continue to vote with the 5? They'll flip flop to the other tribe as fast as they can.

The key to go deep in this game is to have a united tribe at the onset and to vote out the weakest. That way alliances aren't revealed and thus the chance of defecters is lower. Both teams aren't doing this so I guess it's still a wide open game. I do think the fans have the upper hand as they don't have any clear cut alliances like favorites.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 17:42

The dumb get dumber. Voting Mikey out from a tribe perspective was really dumb. Of course, for Joel and the old group it was definitely the right move.

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 20:15

They got lucky that the tribes are switching up next week!

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 00:34

21....I concur wholeheartedly. Voting out Mikey B at this stage of the game has got to be one of the most insane moves any team has ever done. Joel could always stab him the back later but now the tribe seemed destined to be even more heavier underdogs than they already were....

.....until.....

22....Survivor producers penchant for bailing out sorry squads under the guise of switching things up in the interest of public entertainment.

Why can't Survivor just leave things well enough alone and let things be? They've done this kind of nonsense numerous times before and I really detest it.

For what it's worth, how cool was it for Ozzy to remember Yau-Man's "fake idol" ploy and then do it himself? LOL Hope it works out good!

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 09:17

Ozzy should have paid attention in shop class.
That was the worst fake idol yet.

Maybe the producers told the contestants that there would be a 100K prize to the tribe that makes the dumbest move.
And I thought Fairplay's outwitting himself was dumb but then every TC since then has been just as dumb.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Sat, Mar 01, 2008, 12:42

I actually like the switches pre merge. They usually scramble everything up post merge and make for a more exciting end game. Also, the chance of an early swap forces you to not outcast any of your original tribe. I really hope Jonathan ends up on Ciries tribe so we can see the fireworks.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 13:57

I wonder if they preplan the switches and turns in the game or if they make the decisions based on how the game is going...to break up alliances or help weak teams. I think it is ok as long as the switches are mapped out before the game starts...but if the producers are doing it to manipulate the game I do not like it.

Personally I would prefer for them to just play it out and not have switches. It makes multitudes more tougher as a contestant to deal with the team swaps. If you are on the wrong end of the switch there is little you can do to recover.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 14:46

I dont have a problem with the change-ups either if they are planned for in advance.
It could get really boring if an alliance of 5 takes out everyone on both tribes.

I think they also need to make sense.
Last year the picking of the two top players from each team backfired.
When it is in your best interest to lose a challenge it cant be a good plan.

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 23:48

Another entertaining hour of Survivor at its backstabbing best. Goodbye Joel! LOL

Seriously, somebody really, really, really needs to get rid of Cirie; she's become the champion of all the weak people.

Loved, loved, loved the reward challenge. Joel literally dragging Chet with him. Priceless. And all the carnage with the injuries and whatnot.

Parvati....I'd still kiss those lips.
Amy.....A sprained knee? C'mon. Shake it off.
Penner....Ouch dude! Seriously. Can you spell a-m-p-u-t-a-t-i-o-n? Ok, just kidding but man whatever pierced him looks like it has caused some serious problems. Maybe not Mike-falling-face-first-in-the-fire problems but with infection sure to set in, that is not a good sign.

Meanwhile, is it possible that Chet could.......nah, never mind. ;)

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 09:12

That was definitely a top 5 vote off of all time...that meathead never saw it coming. I am now rooting for Cirie...she is definitely proving to be a player.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 12:42

Joel had to be shaking his head thinking that he had 2 chances to vote Chet off and now Chet is still there and he is gone.

I think Ozzy just took a strangle hold on the game.

C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 15:48

I think Ozzy just took a strangle hold on the game.

With the way Cirie is going, if I was Ozzy I'd have that hidden immunity idol with me at every tribal council.

What I can see happening now is the "weak" take over and once the merge happens in- what, three more TC?- side up with the other "weaks" and limp their way through to the end. That would make this one of the more "Outwitting" Survivor seasons.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 16:37

I saw the vote from a different angle. Both camps are 4 fans, 4 favs. Even with the reshuffling, I am sure the favs are hoping they survive to the merge with greater numbers. The favs from the newly formed Malakal exploited the Joel vs Chet rift and got it to TC with two fans on the chopping block. The whole time Ozzy was talking to Joel about joining forces, Ozzy just listened and nodded and had no intention of following Joel's gameplan of giving up one of the favs (Cirie) first. They just all played along with Joel who thought Ozzy was going to get the other favs to go along and knock out Cirie.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 22:14

Keeping Chet was still dumb. It's obvious the fans don't really have any loyalty to Joel so it's not like he's suddenly going to gain their trust and win the game. Ozzy and Amanda are so easily swayed it's ridiculous. I'm sure they'll be kicking themselves when they continue to lose challenges.

barilko6
ID: 0258719
Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 09:07

I just find Joel's closing comments pretty hilarious. He is surprised and confused that they would keep a weakling like Chet over him???

Dude...wasn't that your exact strategy before the merge?!? Remember Mikey? Too funny.

threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 09:08

i guess you have to be either dumb or useless (or a combination of both) to be put on survivor these days

i hope the favs just vote off every last idiot (fan) left

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 14:53

I can't believe a guy like Chet even made it to the show. The producers had to know he'd physically be worthless and it doesn't really seem he has much strategy other than have Tracey keep him around.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:29

Chet definitely equals one of the more pathetic survivors of all time. Not quite as bad as some of the younger "survivors" who quit but still awful.

Very disappointing that he would not follow through with their plan to blindside Ozzy. That would have made for a very good elimination.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:37

Especially after Ozzy's speech. Ozzy is a fantastic athlete but his mouth is way too big. Saying the other guy can't follow instructions when Jeff asked him about the idol was screaming "I have an idol and I replaced it with a fake one".

Penner made a very Michael-esque exit(he was the guy that fell into the fire in season 2). Definitely is going to hurt the show as he's one of the most intense players ever. The guy loved to play the game and it's ashame that he left without any say.

James is probably everyone's hopeful to win the whole thing. The guy is hilarious.

C1-NRB
ID: 551212915
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 00:41

James is the first to go post-merge if he doesn't get individual immunity.

I'm watching Amy to go pretty far. She's willing to sell out but isn't boisterous and overt about it like Cirie. I think she'll handle herself pretty well in the individual challenges, too.

I'll be really surprised if the fans can pull it together to make very far.

beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 01:09

James is the first to go post-merge if he doesn't get individual immunity.

Ozzy is a much scarier individual immunity idol threat than James. They both are in BIG trouble though come merge time.

I'm looking for the fan women and Eliza and Ami to get together and take over the game. They would have the numbers most likely and Ami, Eliza, and Traci have the brains to do it.

WiddleAvi
ID: 251113917
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 08:24

How pathetic is chet. He could have held out until after the vote and then called the doctors after the vote and quite the game.
I like this season as the weaker players are smarter and instead of just hanging on they are actually getting together and voting off stronger players.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 09:34

I agree Chet is a weenie.
Did anyone actually see the alleged injury?
Looked like a bunch of little scrathes to me.
Compare his injury to Jonathan.
Even when they said he might lose his leg he was still weighing his options....it wasnt until the medic mentioned death that he decided to leave.
Chets little owie was nothing.
Even Ami has a worse injury.

Simon says
ID: 362151218
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 23:55

Alright we all know about Chet's lack of masculinity but let me ask you this. Knowing what you know now, who would you rather have on your side: Chet or Johnny Fairplay?

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 00:04

Lets see.
You have one guy who you cant rely on, despite the fact that you kept him in the game but doesnt have the decency to help you out by having the medics come the day after the vote.

Then you have the one guy you absolutly detest who would sell the death of his grandmother to spend a night with his drinking buddy.
Oh....and it not so much the knife in the back as it is how he twists it.

Both are weenies.
Both are spineless.
Who is worse?
I cant decide.

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 15:13

DVR screwed up so I just now was able to watch

Totally agree with widdle, but I think its more on the older fake boobs lady and the napoleon dynamite kid. Why didn't they suggest he calls the doctors immediately after tribal?

I also can't understand why NO ONE voted for Ozzy!!!!! After their big plan, they voted for Erik??? I don't even know who Erik is, but I'm sure its not code for "Ozzie"

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 10:50

Erik is the ice cream scooper

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 14:20

Quick headsup, survivor is on tonight because of NCAA tourney tomorrow.

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 01:00

Well, another Survivor episode, another whinebag quitter. Seems CBS doesn't do enough to weed out the mentally weak in their Pre-Survivor interrogation/background process. Let's review:

Johnny Fairplay----had no business playing this year no matter how infamous he is/was.

Chet----Are you kidding me? Nobody saw how...ahem...delicate he is? Please.

Kathy----Ugh. Battling all sorts of inner demons it seems. Most likable of all previous Survivor contestants to end up in a mental ward. No strength from within. How much of that came as a result of multiple trips to Exile Island is anybody's guess but after replaying the first episode from this year, she has never been that strong in the first place.

Of course, there have been numerous others in other seasons that have quit the game either by laying their torch down (remember Austen?) or by asking/begging/pleading to get voted off at the next Tribal Council.

At the risk of sounding callous, should Survivor contestants be forced to stay in the game as long as their life isn't at risk? I know it's just a game but having a person just quit can have repercussions that immediately affect the game in many ways.

Who knows? Last week, if Chet decides to stay, Ozzy is probably history. Instead, his alliance, with Tracey's ouster and Erik's manly infatuation of all things Ozzy, is now pretty much over. The game would have changed drastically by just that one Tribal Council vote.

Now I know with Kathy quitting, it probably doesn't seem like much now since we all know she would have never won the game. However, she did possess the single most valuable treasure one needs: a vote. She could have used that vote along with whatever alliance and possibly changed the game permanently on her tribe. Now we'll never know.

But all in all, I thought Jeff Probst handled it all pretty gracefully. I know how he felt about Austen's quitting a few seasons ago and it irked him somewhat fierce. Maybe Probst has mellowed. I just know that speaking for myself, I just hate to invest time and effort in a show and see someone give up.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 10:24

C1-NRB tried to post this late last night, but it was snagged by the spam blocker (a spam blocker glitch, in this case)

I concur. This is the quittin'est bunch I've ever seen and they all knew what they were getting themselves into.

Hello? "Fans" of the show? You had no idea what would be involved?

Favorites? Been there, done that, just gonna quit (Sue [All-Stars], Johnny)?

I don't get it.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 10:53

Other than Fairplay and Jonathan who else quit in the faves?
Jonathan really didnt have a choice.
But I agree on the fans.
How can you call yourself a fan and quit.
A couple of real losers if you ask me.
I cant feel my family?
Give me a break.

Tuques
Sustainer
ID: 28821296
Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 10:19

I missed last week episode and I don't want it to happen again, anyone knows when is the next episode??

Thanks, Tuques

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 10:23

Go to CBS.com and you can watch full episodes.
The next show is Wed 3/26.

Tuques
Sustainer
ID: 28821296
Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 11:51

Thanks Weykool unfortunately this is available only for US, not for Canada... I did watch all the individual clips from the 7th episode, now I'm sure not to miss this week, many thanks....

Tuques

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 15:31

Are you sure its on tomorrow night? Here's my local CBS schedule for tomorrow:

Tomorrow, March 26
8:00 PM Big Brother 9
9:00 PM Criminal Minds
10:00 PM CSI: NY

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 15:47

It looks like no episode this week. The next episode is 4/3

CBS Primetime schedule

I never liked the clip shows anyway they sometimes aired at the mid point.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 15:52

Sorry about that.
I just assumed they moved it like last week for the NCAA's

C1-NRB
ID: 5932328
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 12:09

Last night was the first real Tribal Council surprise I've seen. Usually it's editted to make you think someone else wil be voted off, but the status quo prevails. Last night I really was suprised when Ami got the boot.

Props to Erik for actually pulling it off. Talk about a mutual man-crush with Ozzy...

I think Ami's tears were real, but she was crying about, "Oh, no. This has backfired and they caught me," more than "I really want to stay and I love you guys so much."

And how smug was that, "Thanks Erik, for helping me develop this bond against you" speech she gave? Wow.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 13:59

I think it was a good move gettting rid of Ami now...she was definitely a dangerous player...she has always shown she was willing to play the game and do what is best for herself.

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Fri, Apr 04, 2008, 14:14

I'm sure they saw Ami's previous season where she was the headmaster of the all female alliance. She's very good with interacting with females and I think that's what scared Ozzy, Amanda, and Cirie.

What Ami said to Erik was pretty cold. You could tell he was like "Why the hell would you tell me this? stfu". Ami should've definitely brushed off her wanting to vote off Ozzy. All she had to say was Tracey and Erik wanted it and all she did was provide them a sounding board. I really think if she would've played dumb instead of crying she would've had a better chance of staying.

Bond, James Bond
ID: 14357316
Sat, Apr 05, 2008, 02:03

Getting rid of Ami now was an excellent strategic point by Ozzy, Amanda and Cirie. They can always just bump Erik off at the next tribal cou..................wait! No they can't! It's merge time. LOL

Here's how I see it all playing out:
I would love to see Cirie bumped first just because she annoys me to no end with her holier-than-thou judgment act but I know that won't/can't happen. Both Ozzie and James have to both be bumped off ASAP post-merge.

Parvati and Amanda have to become a major, major players in this if this is to happen. I know they can easily distract the guys and fool them but they have to get the numbers on their side for it to work flawlessly. Fortunately, for now, they do. Even with Ami gone, there are 6 women left vs. 4 men. If the women are smart (yikes!!!), I'm thinking they just may start picking off the guys week by week. Works for me.

Then Alexis and Natalie can be offed, leaving us with Parvati, Cirie, Amanda and Eliza. Eliza is a no-brainer to take to the Final 3 since nobody really likes/respects/appreciates her and therefore will get zero votes in the finale. Cirie can't win...well, just because. So that's leave the winner being either Parvati or Amanda. For now, I'm okay with either one winning.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Apr 05, 2008, 20:08

Voting Ami off was the correct move.
The fans have shown no signs that they have watched the game much less learned how to play it.
They have been woefully unorganized since day 1.
Voting off the best players from thier tribe rather than the payers who could have given their team the advantage.
At every turn they have made the wrong move.
Add to this 2 players who quit.
Ami could have schemed to thwart the will of the fearsome foursome.
Erik will take whatever scraps the foursome leaves for him.
If I am Ozzy and company I would take Erik in a post-merge any day over Ami.

Skidazl
Leader
ID: 379312323
Fri, Apr 11, 2008, 13:21

Last night's TC had to be one of the most predictable ever. They did pretty much nothing to make us think anybody else might be going home. Pretty weak, I'd say. At least they usually try to throw some doubt in there. 9 out of 10 times it doesn't work, but at least try to keep us on our toes.

That said, I'm glad Eliza is gone, something about her just grates on me. Looks like Jason wins immunity again next week, according to the previews. Can they actually pull off a full on blindside of Ozzy? That would be great, and very smart. So most likely it won't happen....

weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Apr 11, 2008, 16:22

It seems to me they did keep you on your toes.
You were expecting someone other than Eliza because they normally do a misdirection.

I thought the part where she was discussing the fake idol was classic.

E: Its not the idol its just a stick.
J: But it has a face.
E: But it is still just a stick.
J: Thats a bummer.....

There were some worried faces like Cirie as jeff was unraveling the "stick" that were priceless as well.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 30471016
Fri, Apr 11, 2008, 17:04

I thought last nights episode was good. The fake idol play was funny...funny that eliza saw right through that it was not real.

Was good to see Ozzy get beat in a challenge...he looked defeated...he was definitely not used to losing...he is now going to come hard after Jason.

I do not think there is any way Ozzy can win except to win every challenge going forward...everyone recognizes him as a threat especially now that they know he has the idol.

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Fri, Apr 11, 2008, 17:15

Ozzy is going to have a real tough time making it to the end. He needs to reform his bond with James and Eric as he's going to need males around to deflect a little attention from him. His best hope is that the girls start going at each other next episode. Amanda doesn't seem willing to form an alliance with Alexis but she's one boat ride away from being convinced that Ozzy is a snake. Only problem is that I think Amanda knows that she would be on the outside looking in on the all female alliance.

If and when Ozzy loses immunity it'll be interesting if he can sniff out if he has to use the idol. He's surprised me the past few episodes in his ability to see through people's BS.

Flying Polack
Sustainer
ID: 378582811
Fri, Apr 11, 2008, 20:47

Although the fake idol was pretty funny, don't you all think it was a tactical error? Now everyone knows that he has the idol. I always thought it was a mistake that he told Amanda, Parvati and James so quickly.

Ozzy obviously still around, but I don't think he's played a very smart game so far. I agree with you all that his demise is inevitable.

Who wins the Parvati versus Amanda split?

Duke Abruzzi
ID: 20332121
Sat, Apr 12, 2008, 03:32

Ozzy kinda blew-it by letting everyone know he has the idol.

Big target on his back now.

Cerie is a good player and she knows how to start trouble.

Oz should have told no-one and he should not have put the fake idol in play. He should have played all along to all by saying, "Please send me to Exile Island at every opportunity to make people believe no one has found it yet.

I would have told nobody, not even his ladies.

He's not playing to win, he playing to be cool and thinking about the stories people will talk about when it's over.

1/2 a million dollars after taxes is alot of money.

With all the girls left in play, I believe one of them will win this thing.

beastiemiked
ID: 273451214
Sat, Apr 12, 2008, 16:54

Everybody would have to be braindead not to know that Ozzy has the idol. He's the only one left besides Jason that had gone to exile island. Ozzy is pretty well liked and I don't think everyone in the tribe is automatically going to go for the let's blindside ozzy plan. Amanda and Alexis both seem to have a crush on Ozzy and I'd be shocked if both managed to keep their mouths shut once they heard the plan of voting him out.

Flying Polack
Sustainer
ID: 378582811
Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 22:01

Wow. Ozzy is a moron.

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 22:26

Noooooooooooooooooooo. Parvati is TOAST now. Can't wait to hear James tear her a new one next week!

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 23:04

Man I just loved everyones faces.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 01:22

WOW!!!!!!
By far one of the best Survivor episodes ever.

When they started crossing their fingers I was thinking what a bunch of first graders.
Then when Erik said he would just have to "cross his fingers" that he wasnt going home I about lost it....too funny.

Kudos to the group of 5 for actually:
Hatching a plan.
Staying with the plan.
Not blabbing about the plan at tribal council.

Ozzy pontificating about how to play the game and the getting outwitted was priceless.
Hey Ozzy...the person you were ridiculing for getting outwitted is still in the game....how about you?
Now he is mad at everyone.
Big deal.
Get over it chump.
Now he will need to decide which of the players who backstabbed him will get his vote for the million.

James is socially inept at this game.
He has no insticts on how to adapt when curves are thrown at him.
He wont be able to reform an alliance and do the same thing to Parvati that she did to Ozzy.
It looks like when Parvati tries to reconnect with him he speaks his mind and shuts her down.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer you fool.

WiddleAvi
ID: 323531619
Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 08:33

That was great. Ozzy had no problem giving his work to Erik and then screwing him over but when he is the one getting screwed ........

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 09:17

This definitely has been one of the better seasons for blindside tribal councils...it pretty much started right from the beginning and has continued. Strategically they have not always made sense but at least it has kept the show interesting. A lot of people "playing" the game which is a good thing.

As for Ozzy..."Outwit...Outplay...Outlast...Bitch!"

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Fri, Apr 18, 2008, 16:39

James is socially inept at this game.

He knew something was up with Parvati but figured she wouldn't screw them over. His main problem is that he doesn't schmooze over people not in his alliance. That's his personality and he's so stubborn that he wouldn't change that even if he was guaranteed a million dollars. Strategically he's a terrible player but he's probably one of the more entertaining survivors of all time.

Rooting for Erik and James right now. Neither has a great chance but both are by far the most entertaining and the show is really going to be a borefest once they get the boot.

It'll be interesting what Cirie does. She has to know that Parv is really close to those 2 girls and keeping them around is super dangerous. She shown that she is a flip flopper and I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually flips back over to Amanda and Erik/James(pretty sure that Erik or James is next to go).

Skidazl
ID: 183412115
Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 17:42

My favorite episode of the season so far, if not all time. It was sweet seeing Ozzy blindsided. Goes to show you can never get over cocky or it will almost always backfire on you.(Todd from last season excluded...

C1-NRB
ID: 551212915
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 00:10

Now what? I am reminded of "Amazon" where the women had a plan and then lost thier minds and gave it to Chris. I assume the Fans remember it too, but yaneverknow.

WiddleAvi
ID: 323531619
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 00:32

I just loved seeing how pissed ozzie still is. GET OVER IT.

Tuques
Sustainer
ID: 28821296
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 07:46

I just don't understand why James didn't went to Jason and tell him to use the idol and vote for Parv, with him and Amanda, this way she would have been out and Jason would still be in the game... Even if Parv gets to the end I think she won't get enough vote to win, she won't get James and Ozzi's one that's for sure....

Am I the only one who just couldn't stand Natalie and her koky attitude, I hope so badly that she didn't get to the final 3...

Tuques

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 09:11

Totally agree Tuques about Natalie...what has she done in this game to be so cocky? I'm definitely rooting for James and Amanda to pull something off. Jason was totally clueless in this game, he was anyone's hand puppet who needed one the last couple weeks.

Widdle, if I was Ozzie, I don't think it'd be that easy to get over it either! I can't wait to hear him blow up at Parvati at the reunion or final tribal council!

barilko6
ID: 3732117
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 10:26

I think it was idiotic for James, Amanda, Jason, and Erik not to realize what is going on and team together. Not the sharpest tools in the drawer. If only one of them had a brain to play the game...

Amanda might think she is part of the girl's alliance, but I think its pretty obvious she is the 5th wheel on that bus.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 11:15

yeah poor play in this episode...it seems the last person in an alliance never seems to realize that eventually it will be their turn on the block...need to make the shift before it is too late. I think as long as they are safe for the current vote they are unwilling to act.

agreed on Natalie...I liked her up until this week.

Jason definitely falls into the catagory as one of the most gullible of all time.

weykool
ID: 2842717
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 11:47

Did the alliance ever discuss with James or Amanda that they were voting out Jason?
If they did I must have missed it.
As I have said before James is inept at this game.
It would have taken a really astute player to put all the pieces together to thwart the plan last night.
Amanda would have been the only one of the three to be able to sniff something like that out and come up with a counter plan.
The other two are pretty much useless.

barilko6
ID: 3732117
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 11:52

As far as I could see it was 4 against 4 last night. Too bad James, Amanda, Jason, and Erik didn't see that.

tastethewaste
ID: 911431318
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 14:19

Natalie was so impressed with her setting up Jason (she was moronic for even sending him to exile) she didnt see the obvious move to set her up into the finals.

Jason was pledging himself with hidden immunity idol to Natalie. Why would natalie toss that aside? Jason is no strategist. He is a completely loyal player to Natalie. Why would you evict someone like that. Now if the girls do all stick together, natalie and alexis will have problems at 5.

Cirie and Parvatie are a "couple" and Alexis and Natalie are as well.

That leaves Amanda as the 5th to decide on which couple should stay. I would imagine as long as Cirie and Parvati keep sweet talking Amanda that Amanda would side with her fellow faves and take out the 2 remaining fans. Amanda/cirie would then be the odds on favorite to win the million as parvati has made too many enemies.

But natalie ruined her chances for a gimmick vote off. She thought it was amusing to vote out someone in the same scenerio as the tribal council before. She most likely just threw away the game to make someone feel stupid. Hopefully she will feel just as stupid for that play.

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 15:25

Jason was the most clueless survivor ever. He would have never believed Amanda, James, or Erik if they would've told him that he was the target. From his perspective, those 3 voted against him last week and are just trying some last ditch effort to save themselves. He would've ran to Natalie with their plan and instead of Jason going, Amanda or James would've been gone.

Natalie and the girls were dumb for dumping Jason over Amanda or James. They are so enamored with girl power that they failed to see that Jason was the perfect coatrider.

I fully expect Cirie to switch back over to James, Amanda, and Erik next week. She's the smartest one out there and she'd be a fool not to realize she's 4th on the pole with Parv and the bimbo twins. I think Amanda had the idea of swinging Cirie back over next vote as well and thus is a big reason why she didn't get desperate and try to sway Jason.

Hoping James finger holds up long enough for him to get vindicaiton and see Parvati get sent home. It's probably a long shot as I think if Cirie switches over she's much more likely to get rid of Natalie and Alexis before Parvati.

Flying Polack
Sustainer
ID: 378582811
Fri, Apr 25, 2008, 22:23

Cirie would be smart enough to keep Parvarti around. If I'm one of the last 7, she's who I want to be standing next to for the final vote.

Agree on Natalie completely. Couldn't stand her tonight and I probably didn't even know her name a week ago. What exactly has she done?

Here is to hoping James/Amanda/Erik pull it off.

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, May 01, 2008, 21:22

Sucks that James had to go.

I don't know what came over me but I was absolutely GIDDY when Amanda played the hidden idol. GIDDY like a damn 14 year old girl. Still smiling.

Sucks that Alexis was the victim and not Natalie. What a piece of a shit she's turned into! I'm gonna miss Alexis' pigtails :)

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, May 02, 2008, 00:37

Another fantastic episode.
This one even beat the episode that Ozzy got the boot.

I figured when they stopped showing her dig that she must have found it.
The acting job by Amanda was far and away the best ever for a survivor contestant.
Normally the more they blab the more they let it slip as to what is coming.
She played it perfectly every step of the way.
She even fooled me for 2 seconds when she gave Pav a goodbye hug after everyone had voted.
Well done Amanda.

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, May 02, 2008, 09:16

Not really sure why they voted Alexis and not Natalie? Figuring Alexis has a bum knee she was going to be a underdog in upcoming challenges. She certainly had the better jury chance if she made it to the finals but I think I would have went Natalie now and Alexis later.

This entire season has been pretty good...makes for a much better show when everyone is playing the game. If Amanda makes the final two I cannot see her not winning...the jury loved the hidden immunity play.

barilko6
ID: 180102816
Fri, May 02, 2008, 09:20

I was thinking during the immunity challenge, if they really wanted to keep immunity from Erik, why didn't they all just shoot at one girl's bottles instead of their own.

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, May 02, 2008, 09:56

TRS:

There will be 3 players in the finals.
I thought the same thing....why vote out the gimp?
She was in obvious pain and had had no chance of winning a challenge that involved running.

B6:
I was thinking the same thing....but they might have had a rule against it and just didnt show the part where the rules are explained.

barilko6
ID: 3732117
Fri, May 02, 2008, 10:04

Wey...

I don't think there are ever any rules against those kind of things. Its all part of the game, no?

tastethewaste
ID: 942028
Fri, May 02, 2008, 10:20

Parvati wanted Alexis gone. she probably wants natalie in the final 3 and get rid of Cirie and Erik. Parvati probably could win against natalie and if you saw how amanda blew the game in her original season with the jury, you would want amanda in the finals with you.

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Fri, May 02, 2008, 11:22

I was thinking the same thing in the shooting challenge. But, it is not like a team challenge where they can get together first to strategize so you'd think the first two rounds it makes sense for everyone to at least try for their own bottle. But after Erik and Natalie both had 2, one of the other girls who could not win could have thought about helping Natalie (assuming it was not stated in the off camera rules), but it probably would not have mattered as bad as their misses seemed.

Another exciting TC. Great season in terms of TC excitement. You'd think after all these years of watching Survivor, the contestants by now would have played the game as if they HAVE TO ASSUME that the person on Exile has the hidden II. The smarter move should have been for the Amanda voters to instead vote out Parv (and still make it look like they were voting out Amanda). They all wanted Amanda's jury vote so bad that they thought the play was to be up front and honest with her to avoid later hard feelings. Tough break for Alexis. I also thought Amanda and Parvarti should have left a hobbled Alexis in camp to help their odds in later challenges. Cirie, Erik, and Natalie still have a 3 against 2 if they want to again vote for Amanda next week. If they miss this chance, Amanda and Parvarti could run the table. Erik seems odd man out as he is the only guy left, Natalie is odd one out with the women as she is the only female 'fan' left.

barilko6
ID: 3732117
Fri, May 02, 2008, 11:27

It is worth mentioning that Amanda asked Cirie, "If it were any other way, would you be voting with me and Parv?" And Cirie mentioned that she would indeed vote with them. No fear of being tied, Cirie can just vote along who she thinks she could beat in the final 3.

My take on who would get most votes from the Jury in Final 3:

Amanda/Erik Tie in my mind...
Cirie
Natalie
Parv

So Cirie can pick her poison with Erik or Amanda, or try to go with Natalie and Parv.

WiddleAvi
ID: 323531619
Fri, May 02, 2008, 11:42

Cirie has played the best game IMO. Right from the begining she had the whole team voting out who she wanted out. She organized the backstab of Ozzy. She is managing the whole game without getting a target put on her back.

100

philflyboy
ID: 101432712
Fri, May 02, 2008, 11:51

I think that Cirie is calling all the shots without being noticed. I was surprised there were not more people writing her name down on the question about who thinks they are running the show but really not.

101

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, May 02, 2008, 14:06

Eric would seem to be in very good shape now...he should have a big edge in challenges...even if he does not win immunity this next time the girl alliances will have to realize they are better off using him as a swing vote to make sure they make the finals...

I would bet Cirie swings back to Amanda/Parv...then they could vote out Natalie or Eric...whoever does not have immunity. Would think Amanda would have the edge in the finals but Cirie has probably played the game the best up until this week. I think playing the immunity idol gained Amanda a lot of respect. It seems everyone likes her anyway...everyone was willing to be up front with her about her being the target which tells me they like her.

102

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Fri, May 02, 2008, 17:45

They voted out Alexis over natalie because Natalie is a bigger immunity threat and that might give them a way to vote out Erik. Erik fares much better in a final tribal than Natalie or Alexis would.

I think Amanda goes next unless she can swing immunity. I don't think Cirie wins vs Amanda especially after last night.

104

tastethewaste
ID: 911431318
Thu, May 08, 2008, 21:00

i feel nauseas after watching that. i really nearly cried for Erik. I am so embarrassed for him. great play by the girls though

105

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Thu, May 08, 2008, 21:04

Ok Eric just took the lead as the most gullible survivor in history...I am in shock at how stupid that was.

Brilliant by the girls...they played it about as best as they possibly could but it should have still fell far short. The jury was hilarious...they were in total shock. I hope they got Eric drunk as hell after that episode.

106

JeffG
ID: 47112621
Thu, May 08, 2008, 21:18

Wow. When you think you've seen it all in 16 seasons, somethink totally unfathomable occurs. Easily a 'best moment' in Survivor history. How can someone who knows so much about the show's past history and have lived through the last several tribal councils have fallen for that. Erik's explanation for giving up immunity made no logical sense, and everyone's reasoning when they were trying to convince him to do it made no logical sense, but it still happened. Fans never had a chance against the scheming faves that were invited back. Maybe a future Suvivor could be 'Former Suckers' vs 'All time schemers'.

107

Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Thu, May 08, 2008, 22:43

Idiot! There is no justification for his ineptness....especially when he had a place in the Final Four GUARANTEED!!!!!!!! Ugh!

So, it's time to name a winner and why.

Parvati, Amanda, Cirie and Natalie have made it to the last foursome. But which one is worthy of winning it all this season?

Right off, we seemingly can eliminate Natalie. As the only fan left, unless she wins immunity, her number is up next. But this season has been anything but a certainty so who knows what'll happen.

I do know that if Amanda makes it to the final three, she wins hands down. No matter what combination of final three are left, if Miss Montana is there, the Survivor championship will follow.

I know Natalie knows this and I am sure Cirie knows this as well so I think we may have some games(wo)manship left.

If Amanda gets da boot, Cirie wins Survivor, as nobody really wants to honor Parvati with their vote, do they?

Amanda v. Cirie

It's gotta be one of those two.

Give me Amanda!

108

Weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, May 09, 2008, 02:25

Erik....is your name spelled with a U or two O's?

Dufus or Doofus?

I think the classic line was Natalie saying she was embarrased to even hear them discussing the dumb plan that wouldnt fool anyone.
Ah....but there is one born every minute.

Now that we have all bashed Erik for being the dumbest player in survivor history let me be the first to say that perhaps the move was sheer genious.
I will wait until the laughter subsides.......
Erik had zero chance of winning.
Its one thing to flip flop but you cant do it 2-3 times per episode.
It wasnt like Rudy taking his hand off the post and knowing that he just cost himself $1 mil.
But think of the endorsement opportunities:

"Geico, so easy an Erik can do it".

American Express, Erik wouldnt be dumb enough to leave home without it and neither should you.

Don’t Be Fooled by Cheap Imitations – Be Fooled by EXPENSIVE Imitations!
Signed Erik

I bet there are thousands of taglines he could parlay this into.

109

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Fri, May 09, 2008, 09:20

I was thinking about it last night and here is why I think it might have been a brilliant move...they advertised some promortion survivor favorite vote last night and the survivor who got the most votes gets 100K. I think Erik likely has a good shot at winning this vote just from sympathy votes...100K is basically second place money...plus his 5th place money and he is doing about as good as he possibly could do...

Definitely a reach...still shockingly bad.

110

ChicagoTRS
ID: 344311322
Mon, May 12, 2008, 00:30

Not a great final. Amanda again proves she is poor when it comes to the final council. No one wants to see the crying/emotion whether real or not. The jury is pissed they are not still in the game and they are not going to have sympathy for you...I subscripe to the theory of going in the council and kiss some ass but also play up the game aspect and "best move" strategically. She played it particularly bad with Cirie and should have just told her she was the biggest threat and she was a great player and did not want to be on the jury with her...it is not whether Parv deserved the money more it is giving herself the best chance to win...I think you want to kind of resonate truth with the jury and kind of get them to think "yes I would have done the same thing"...in the end if you make the finals you are going to have to betray people...just a fact of the game. Better not to back down as people do not like weakness or apologies they are not prepared to accept.

111

beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Mon, May 12, 2008, 03:52

Once again the jury wanted to give Amanda the money but she blew it. She lost all 3 swing votes, Jason, Eliza, and Cirie. Pretty sure the others weren't going to switch unless something really drastic happened.

Parv gave some dumb answers too. However, her opening speech was way better than Amanda's. Amanda telling the jury thank you was possiby the worst thing you can say to them.

Really wish Cirie would've snuck into the finals. Would've loved to hear her smooth over the jury. It's ashame for her they switched to a final 2. Pretty sure she would've won in a 3 way race. Of course, I have no idea why Parvati and Amanda didn't give Cirie the boot instead of Natalie. They talk about how they are big thinkers but if not for the switch to the final 2 neither would've got the million.

112

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 12, 2008, 09:32

I agree if it was a final-3, Cirie would have likely have had the votes. BUT, I would have been real ticked if the vote ended 4-4. There should not even be a possibility of a tie and co-winners. Still surprised Amanda did not win and Parv had the votes.

No car reward this season.

It was a great season in terms of the number of strategizers. Remember, the 'fans' had a few blind side TCs before even merging with the 'favs'.

Looks like season 17 of Survivor will be filmed in Gabon on the west coast of Africa. Finally they are going to film it in HD. It is dubbed Survivor Gabon - Earth's Last Eden. (Who knows, some sort of couples angle?)

113

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, May 12, 2008, 09:40

Does anyone know what would have happened with a tie? Would it have just been 50-50 or was it going to go back through votes during the season?

114

ChicagoTRS
ID: 4110481415
Mon, May 12, 2008, 09:58

I do think this was one of the better seasons of survivor. A lot of people playing the game.

115

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, May 12, 2008, 11:47

Amanda blew it at Final Tribal again. Didn't she learn from the last one?!? I remember at her original Final Tribal, someone was ripping her for doing nothing but giving the "sad doe eyes", while that scrawny dude who won basically said he was a total slimeball, cutthroat bastard and took down the million. I credit Parvarti for calling a spade a spade and saying that she played the game with big moves and she had to do what she had to do. Amanda should have REALLY played up the loyalty card but added in strong behind the scenes/not get your hands dirty strategy that jury members could relate to.

PS - anyone else think Natalie is, at least, bi? It looked like she wanted to jump Parv's bones right there at Final Tribal! BTW - I would pay $4.99 to see a 30 minute Cinemax-like PPV between them......lmao

116

JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 12, 2008, 12:05

Regarding Amanda and the final TC for China and Micronesia, I have a question - If I have the timing right, the Survivor China live finale had not yet occurred while James and Amanda were in Micronesia filming this season.

Could she have thought she may have won China while in Micronesia, and was trying the same approach again. Or, did the producers disclose that she did not win China when inviting her back for the next season.

117

J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Mon, May 12, 2008, 12:19

Interesting!

According to the never-wrong wikipedia entry.

Survivor China Finale: Dec 16, 2007
Survivor Micronesia Filming: Oct 29, 2007-Dec 6, 2007

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beastiemiked
ID: 402141714
Mon, May 12, 2008, 13:00

[i]Amanda blew it at Final Tribal again. [/i]

Actually she blew it at the final 3 tribal. If she doesn't cry I think she at least picks up Eliza's vote to get a tie. Eliza was apparently really on the fence on who to vote for and she obviously hated Amanda crying about making the final 2.

119

Challenger
Sustainer
ID: 481126818
Mon, May 12, 2008, 13:17

Maybe this will clear the filming misconception up:

Survivor China filming dates: June 25, 2007 – August 02, 2007
Survivor Micronesia Filming: Oct 29, 2007-Dec 6, 2007
Survivor China Finale: Dec 16, 2007

While researching the filming date for China, I found this interesting paragraph on wikipedia:

Three players went to the final Tribal Council, continuing the pattern that began in Survivor: Cook Islands and again in Survivor: Fiji. Probst explained that having a final three "prohibits one person winning through to the end and then taking an extremely unlikable person with them."

You think maybe the final 2 instead of 3 was a late decision, considering the even number of jury members? Probably, based on the fact that any of the final 3 were not "an extremely unlikable person".

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beastiemiked
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Mon, May 12, 2008, 13:23

Yeah, I doubt thye had planned for it at the beginning but who knows. They had to know they were screwing Cirie since Amanda was going to take Parvati and Parvati was probably going to take Amanda. I guess they made the final immunity geared towards Cirie to make up for this disadvantage.

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J
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Mon, May 12, 2008, 13:38

I wonder if they switched it up because of all the people who left via injury? They had to tack on a couple of extra days maybe?

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JeffG
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Mon, May 12, 2008, 14:00

Remember the movie 'Quiz Show' based on the game show fixing scandals in the 50s. Since then game shows are closely monitored for fairness.

You'd have to think that shows like Survivor fall into a similar category and have to have some regulations they must follow so the fix is not in, or so every contestant has equal footing once the game begins, not just ones that would make for better tv.

How many contestants could cry foul if the producers had the flexibility to decide on what kind of challenge to have (physical, mental, social, luck, combination), when to dole out the feasts, or the timing of swaps or merges, and the starting of a jury pool. I imagine they could not even make the hiddon idol easier or harder based on who went to Exile Island without being questioned. They probably have to have this all mapped out in advance to avoid such a scandal. If the show was fixed in any way just once, there goes a successful franchise.

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tastethewaste
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Mon, May 12, 2008, 20:44

but the first season of survivor was under scrutiny for fixing results. Stacey in the first season wanted rudy gone but said producers told her not to vote rudy. apparently because rudy was likeable and made for good tv. stacy sued and i believe lost. But all these reality shows bend the rules as much as possible to make more drama.

Survivor changes rules all the time, final 3 or final 2 should definitely be clear however as it affects game play for everyone.

I dont think Cirie wouldve won if it went to final 3 anyway though.

Erik I think still wouldve voted Amanda, Ozzy obviously wouldve voted Amanda. The 2 fan girls were in love with Parvati. That leaves Eliza, Jason and James. Eliza wouldve voted for Cirie I would imagine but I cant imagine either James or Jason voting Cirie also. Final 2 definitely helped Parvati though.

Very surprised Cirie didnt even enter top 3 for the 100K MVP. I thought she ran the show from beginning to end and I wouldve voted for her if I cared to vote.

Parvati wins best answer to a jury memeber ever...I got you sucka...what. (to james)

How the hell did she win??

Amanda blew it at final 3. It wouldve benefited her if Parvati won that final immunity so she wouldnt have to make the decision to get Cirie out. But she had to win immunity once Parvati went out. But there was no reason to waiver on who to vote out. She shouldve been straight with Cirie as soon as she won. "Im sorry Cirie, I didnt want to vote either of you out but since its final 2, i think parvati has made too many enemies and youve outstrategized me and are perceived as nicer than me. I love you girl but you gotta go.

By waivering and pouting she looked like a bad actress, and we all know amanda can act, we saw her with that hidden immunity idol, and that play as well may have hurt her in the long run. While she is all doe eyed and pretending like she is going home and then laughing and strutting after pulling out the idol it may have looked like utter phoniness when she cried in voting out Cirie.

And finally, the girls played great but I still think Natalie screwed up the game more than any guy she blindsided by not keeping jason on her side with hidden immunity idol. You just dont give up a loyal, stupid player to be 4th or bottom rung on a 5 person alliance. She couldve taken over the game with jason, hidden immunity idol, alexis and erik or amanda if she had wanted to do. But thought playing a joke on Jason was worth a million bucks.

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Skidazl
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Tue, May 13, 2008, 19:56

PS - anyone else think Natalie is, at least, bi? It looked like she wanted to jump Parv's bones right there at Final Tribal!

Totally agree. That and the fact that she seems to pretty much hate men.

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Weykool
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Tue, May 13, 2008, 20:47

And finally, the girls played great but I still think Natalie screwed up the game more than any guy she blindsided by not keeping jason on her side with hidden immunity idol. You just dont give up a loyal, stupid player to be 4th or bottom rung on a 5 person alliance. She couldve taken over the game with jason, hidden immunity idol, alexis and erik or amanda if she had wanted to do. But thought playing a joke on Jason was worth a million bucks.

I agree.
This had te be one of the biggest blunders of the game including giving away immunity.
Erik had no chance of winning but the same couldnt be said about Natalie.

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beastiemiked
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Tue, May 13, 2008, 22:15

Apparently Parvati found the hidden immunity idol while on exile. She did not play it for some stupid reason. Even then why the hell would CBS edit it out.

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