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Subject: LOST------Season 5

  Posted by: Bond, James Bond - Sustainer [04352469] Mon, Dec 29, 2008, 23:25
Anybody else looking forward to another year of the finest show on TV? Season 4 was so much better than Season 3 and I suspect that Season 5 will not disappoint.

Does anybody know what some of the major themes will be or which recurring characters will appear this year? I've heard a rumor that we'll have a lot of Dr. Marvin Candle appearing numerous times in different episodes but not on videotape. This time, he'll actually be interacting with those on the island. Can't wait to see where that'll take us.
 
1RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
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      Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 00:29 		So amped! Did a complete watch of seasons 1-4 the last month or so.
 
2Rendle
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      Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 00:35 		I think you're really undervaluing season 3 and I hear that alot. In my mind season 3 was very close to being as good as season 1. (2 is easily the worst imo.)

My only problems with 3 were the first 6 episodes which were all garbage when they separated them from the rest of the season in the fall. They tried to create a separate arc and it was just bad.

The other bad thing was this was the last season that had original character flashbacks which at this point told us nothing. (Except for the Locke getting into a wheelchair episode which was a top 5 ep.)

The best part of season 3 was its top episodes were incredible. The finale "Through the Looking Glass" was arguably the best episode of the series and no worse than 2 behind the Pilot, imo. Other highlights were Locke's wheelchair episode, Juliet's 2 flashback episodes, Ben's flashback ep, The Brig episode where Sawyer killed Locke's dad. Also the one where we find out how Jack gets his tattoos was laughably bad.

Season 4 was solid but I think season 3's finale puts it over the top.

That being said I'm very excited for the new season. Here's a promotional photo for the new season:

lost season 5

It'll be interesting to see Jin and Claire's involvement this season if any.
 
3Rendle
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      Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 00:54 		RSF, what was your opinion of season 3 rewatching it recently? I"m sure the first 6 episodes come off better DVD style when you can watch them quickly but I really felt episodes 7-22 were very solid.
 
4Fairplay
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      Tue, Dec 30, 2008, 23:57 		I'm so psyched out getting ready for season five. I made some comments at the end of the season four thread. If anybody can help me there (or put them in this new thread), I'd certainly appreciate it.
 
5wazaaap_guy
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      Wed, Jan 07, 2009, 12:34 		I love this show. I just watched all four seasons in the past two month or so, and just read the whole season 4 thread. I have a few questions/comments of my own.

Sun mentions that two people are responsible for killing Jin. She says one is Widmore. Are we led to believe the other is Jack? Jack mentions something along the lines of Sun blames her for something when talking to Ben in the funeral parlor. Ben and Keamy seem more culpable, but Sun probably doesn't know their involvement. She could even blame Frank for not taking the helicopter back down to get Jin. So why Jack?

In "Cabin Fever," Locke meets Horace, who's building a cabin for him and his wife. Is this the same cabin Jacob now inhabits? Seems like Jacob comes forth in the shape of dead characters such as Christian. Are we then led to believe Claire is dead?

Two things I'm sure have been discussed already that I'm curious about. Is there a prevailing opinion on why Alpert appears the same physically throughout all these years? Also, do we have a conclusive answer on what the whispering is? Am I missing something obvious with these two questions?
 
6Tree
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      Wed, Jan 07, 2009, 18:56 		i do believe i saw a preview for season 5 the other day, and it knocked my socks off. maybe i was dreaming it, but i'll go look for it...
 
7Fairplay
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      Wed, Jan 07, 2009, 23:42 		5

Yes, I do believe that Sun blames Jack. I believe this from the fact that it was Jack who pulled Kate back from going down to get Jin on the freighter shortly before it exploded.

And yes I believe that Horace had the blueprints to and was building the cabin that is occupied by Jacob...and apparently now, Claire. For her part, yes I believe Claire is dead----whatever "dead" means on LOST.

As far as Richard is concerned, I think there's still a whole lot we don't know about him yet---including why he doesn't age like seemingly everybody else. But I still love Ben's line to him in an episode in Season 3, "You do remember birthdays, don't you?" I think that was an intentional fact to point out that Richard's not like a normal person. LOL

The whispers are supposedly the voices of dead people---hence the reason that Miles can hear them.
 
9Hydra
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      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 00:04 		Yeah I think you're right on there Fairplay.

Just by looking at the previews, I am soooooooo ready for season five!!! Bring it on!
 
10ChicagoTRS
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      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:27 		tonight!
 
11Rendle
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      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 10:01 		Awesome episodes.

Unfortuantely for the Oceanic 6, their storyline isn't nearly as interesting as what's going on with Sawyer/Juliet/Locke.
 
12ChicagoTRS
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      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 10:33 		agreed...a great start to a new season.
 
13Tree
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      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 12:07 		well, the show was always about the Island, so leaving it doesn't leave much available, story-wise.

Three Years they've been gone.

can you imagine being stuck in a world where every 15 minutes or 2 hours or 10 hours or whatever it is, you're zapped into a different place in time, FOR THREE YEARS!!?!?!?!
 
14wazaaap_guy
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      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 12:46 		I agree, awesome episodes.

Two things I always wondered about. Why wasn't Kate's relationship with Aaron questioned earlier (earlier, I just wondered why it wasn't being questioned). There were no records of doctor or hospital visits re: the baby. Even after returning to America, you'd think Kate would run into some trouble dealing with Aaron, like in taking him to the pediatrician.

You'd think that the Oceanic 6's story would have come into question also. They claimed they survived on a small island near the one they were rescued on. It's not totally unreasonable to think that some would then go to this island to explore it (there was an actual island there that they claimed they were stuck on, wasn't there?) They would then see nothing that would lead them to believe it had been inhabited for 2 months, and questions the 6's story.

Thoughts?
 
15katietx
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      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 17:04 		Yes, it is a little odd that no one has questioned Kate's raising of Aaron. Hopefully the writers will attend to this at some point.

Wish they had explained (last night) how Locke left the island and died.
 
16C1-NRB
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      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 21:57 		Wish they had explained (last night) how Locke left the island and died.

Nah, that'll happen in the season finale, if not sometime next season.

Overall I was liking the direction everything was taking. It'll be interesting to see how Desmond's line plays out in relation to the O6.

Did I recognize the lady in the church basement that Ben was with in the last scene from an earlier season or did I just "want to?"
 
17Rendle
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      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 22:41 		That was Ms. Hawking. She was first seen in Desmond's first 'flash' episode.

Ms. Hawking
 
18Tree
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 08:25 		i'm wondering if Hawking turns out to be Faraday's mother.

obviously, she's going to play a role in all this, and the fact that Faraday has literally been preparing for this his entire life, writing everything down, leads me to believe he was raised by his mother for the sole purpose of helping save humanity and get everyone back to the island.
 
19boikin
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:38 		can you imagine being stuck in a world where every 15 minutes or 2 hours or 10 hours or whatever it is, you're zapped into a different place in time, FOR THREE YEARS!!?!?!?!

we do not actually know that has been 3 years on the island. It could be only few days and we will probably find out that is the case. I am not sure that you could survive under those conditions.
 
20charles
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 10:04 		anybody else believe that it was Sun who hired those lawyers against Kate? I suspect that we'll see a psychoish Sun this year, full of animosity and anger because she has "lost" her soul mate, Jin.

Could it be that the two people she blames the most for Jin's death---Widmore and Jack---will be the fuel her rage desires? She obviously knows that Aaron is not Kate's boy and by going after Kate, she, in effect, is going after Jack's true love.
 
21C1-NRB
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 10:16 		Anyone else think we'll see the Islanders (what I'm going to call the group left on the island) "jump" to the construction of the Orchid station so that Farady can get a peek at what it's all about?
 
22boikin
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 10:41 		Well something happens because we see him at the building of it, maybe they learn to live with the jumping or better yet some how control it.
 
23Tree
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 10:55 		Anyone else think we'll see the Islanders (what I'm going to call the group left on the island)

for a point of clarification, they're actually being referred to as the "left behinders" by lostpedia and other sites.

"jump" to the construction of the Orchid station so that Farady can get a peek at what it's all about?

i'm actually thinking that Faraday, like Richard, has some sort of immunity to the effects of aging. After all, the Faraday we saw in the construction gear looked to be the same Faraday we see in the current era.

on a semi-related noted, i started thinking back to Charlotte's nosebleed, and it sure seems like she's about to suffer the same fate as Minkowski, as apparently she has no constant to prevent her from suffering an eventual brain anuerysm.

 
24boikin
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 11:05 		on a semi-related noted, i started thinking back to Charlotte's nosebleed, and it sure seems like she's about to suffer the same fate as Minkowski, as apparently she has no constant to prevent her from suffering an eventual brain anuerysm.

I was thinking the same thing, that would allow for a possible story line similar to that Desmond had.
 
25Rendle
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 14:12 		charles - my guess is it was Ben who hired the lawyers to do the paternity tests. Kate and Aaron are the most content of the Oceanic 6.

Tree, Re: Charlotte and Mikowski

In one review of the episode, someone mentioned this: "This season's characters can skip forward and backward, their position on the island fixed, interacting with the places and people of whatever time period they happen to be thrust into. Of course, the possibility also exists that they're time-tripping within their own minds, much like Minkowski, and physically they're all lying comatose on the beach in the island's current timeline... but that's a can of worms I choose not to open just now."
 
26Balrog
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      Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 17:16 		What if Widmore was the good guy here? Seems like it's come around again. The only one who trusts Linus is Jack, who has a terrible track record.
 
27charles
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 10:16 		Can anyone explain this? During the descent of the Nigerian plane, it seemed really low to the ground. But back in season 2, wasn't there somebody who parachuted out of it before it hit the ground? Just seems from the angle we saw as it went over Locke's head along with the speed, there was no way anyone could have jumped out.
 
28Tree
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 10:31 		charles - yea, that was definitely a continuity issue. it's been pointed out on several sites, most notably lostpedia...

if you nitpick like that, here are literally hundreds of these throughout the series...
 
29charles
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 10:43 		nitpicking? I wasn't trying to do that and frankly don't appreciate the insinuation. I just had remembered something and thought there was a good explanation for it. Nothing more.
 
30Rendle
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 10:56 		I don't think he was being condescending. He was just saying with the complexities of the show, they do a pretty damn good job of tying up loose ends but there will be some continuity issues.

When JJ Abrams was writing season 1, he couldn't have envisioned the way the show would be going 4 years down the line. He hasn't been working on the show on a fulltime basis since season one. IMO, best show on network television right now.
 
31Rendle
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 11:00 		Here's the guy who parachuted out:

Goldie
 
32RecycledSpinalFluid
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 11:26 		I don't think its nitpicking. The body was visited twice in earlier episodes. I thought the same thing "wonder if we'll see the guy jumping from the plane".
 
33wazaaap_guy
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 12:55 		Something that bothered me: when the left behinders were on the coast, the flaming arrows seemed to come from the interior of the island. As they ran into the interior of the island, the arrows should have just been going over their heads... not coming after them. It's possible that whoever was shooting them ran down and ended up behind the left behinders... but then the arrows would just be shot straight and not with any type of arc most likely. Am i incorrectly nitpicking here?
 
34RecycledSpinalFluid
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 13:25 		You know what I was thinking during the arrows? "Where the hell are the Orcs?" Mittelos my ass...this is Middle-earth.
 
35deraynman
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 13:46 		I think Ben sent sent the lawyers to Kate's house to ask for the blood test. Jack and Ben knew that Kate was very comfortable raising Aaron and would not want to go back to the island. With her wanting to run she would probably be open to going back.

When Ben is talking to the lady in the meat shop or whatever he says the names of two people and they did their job or something.
 
36C1-NRB
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 13:53 		You know what I was thinking during the arrows? "Where the hell are the Orcs?" Mittelos my ass...this is Middle-earth.

Crazy-universe-aligning-coincidence-of-the-weekend:
I watched LOTR:FotR last night with the oldest kid.
 
37Balrog
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 14:04 		RE: 35

Plus Aaron would likely be made Jack's ward if the tests were done, thus forcing Kate to go with Jack and Aaron back to the island.
 
38Tree
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      Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 14:05 		rendle hit it on the head. there wasn't anything negative in my statement. apologies.

 
39Tree
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 08:51 		when we had the reveal of Widmore in the 50s last night, my legit reaction was a very audible "F*cking Hell!!"

some thoughts...

was Faraday telling Charlotte he loved her an effort to become her constant?

i really like the theory that Miles is Marvin Candle's son.

regarding Desmond and Penny's son, Charlie. I don't for a minute buy any of the Charlie traveled back to make sure he was born stuff. it's simply an homage to a friend...well, and i don't think it's any small coincidence that he's also named after his evil grandfather, Charles Widmore.

we now have three different Eloise's on the show - Eloise the lab rat Faraday used in the maze; Eloise Hawking; and Ellie (potential Eloise), the woman who held the gun on Faraday and company.

I'd be curious to compare the accents of Hawkins and Ellie, because if you look at pictures, there is a similarity, and she could very well be Widmore's true nemesis, battling both in the 50s on the island, and now, in the present. i think they are one and the same.

I also believe Theresa (the woman who was a "victim" of Faraday's experimentation) is Ellie/Eloise.


Eloise/Ellie:


Theresa:

 
40Rendle
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 11:16 		The Hawking/Ellie connection obviously seems very logical. The Theresa one is more out there and maybe you can explain your thoughts there.

It's a different show now with us getting more answers than questions. Some pretty solid reveals this week:

- Widmore was on the island
- the reason why Alpert visits young Locke
 
41Donkey Hunter
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 11:20 		Well we found out why Alpert visited Locke and his mom on the day he was born.

Will there be another reason to visit child Locke?
 
42Tree
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 12:08 		The Theresa one is more out there and maybe you can explain your thoughts there.

Theresa's sister/caretaker/someone in the room indicated that she is "away". not in a coma, not sleeping, but "away", which indicates to me her mind is traveling, but, her body is not, and she didn't have a constant, which caused her body to lapse into the state it is.

i also think this is similar to Faraday. remember, when we first met his character, he was nearly catatonic, staring at a television, crying uncontrollably, and cared for by a caretaker.

i believe this, too, is related.
 
43Rendle
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 14:14 		One theory that's out there that I really like is when Sawyer stepped on something in the jungle last week it will infect his toe causing it to get amputated. Then he'll do something important in the past causing the Others/Dharma/someone to build or start building a statue of him.
 
44wazaaap_guy
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 17:06 		- the reason why Alpert visits young Locke

can you explain this one?
 
45Balrog
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 17:31 		- the reason why Alpert visits young Locke

Probably because when he saw baby Locke being born, he realized this was legit and came back to check on his progress.

On the Hawking/Ellie thing, somewhere I saw that she was also the woman that refused to sell Desmond the engagement ring way back when.


 
46Rendle
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 18:49 		Yeah, the whole conversation between Locke and Alpert set the groundwork for what happened in "Cabin Fever" last season. Locke tells him who he is and that he's talked to Jacob. Mentioning Jacob gets Alpert's attention but he still wants to make sure Locke is who he says he is. Locke mentions he was born 2 years from now so Alpert visits Locke when he's born and when he's young. When he visits him the 2nd time he puts a bunch of items on the table and asks Locke to pick which item is his. Locke picks the knife instead of the compass. Alpert gets frustrated and says he made a mistake coming there.

I kinda rambled there but hopefully that will jog your memory.

Cabin Fever
 
47wazaaap_guy
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 21:29 		Ah ok, thanks guys. I remember the visit when John was young but had forgotten the visit when he was born.

Richard had a great line last night. When John keeps telling him what the future Richard said, Alpert says "I certainly don't wanna contradict myself, but..." I thought it was pretty funny.
 
48Donkey Hunter
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      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 23:00 		Re 46 According to the link, young Locke picked the knife instead of a book of laws. He also picked the compass and some sand.

I just think Alpert might not have been "just checking up on him" but it could be in direct response to something that happens on the island between birth and Locke being 6 or whatever.
 
49Balrog
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      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 10:20 		RE 48
Maybe that something is Linus coming to the island?
 
50Rendle
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      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 10:24 		Yeah, very interesting. I wonder how much island time we'll get next week. It seems like they'll focus more on the Oceanic 6.
 
51boikin
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      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 10:29 		where are the rest of the islanders?
 
52Rendle
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      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 10:50 		How many are left besides Rose and Bernard?
 
53Rendle
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      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 09:31 		Average episode last night with a really cool ending.

They pretty much confirmed that Miles was Marvin Candle's son.
 
54Balrog
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      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 11:35 		Yeah the time flipping on the island was interesting at first, but it's become irritating quickly. And predictable. It was pretty obvious that that was Danielle that rescued Jin long before she said her name (what other French characters are there?). Who didn't think that time would flip before that catamaran caught up with Sawyer and crew?
 
55Tree
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      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 11:43 		i dont think the OMG moment of the show was that it was DANIELLE who rescued Jin, but rather it was Danielle who rescued JIN.

as for the catamaran, i presumed there would be a time shift, but i figured it would be in a time BEFORE the catamaran came onto the island, thusly leaving them to SWIM in the middle of the ocean.

the nosebleed issue is interesting, as Daniel chalks it up to time spent on the island before - yet he's not affected, even though we know he's been there before too...
 
56RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
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      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 12:40 		Loved seeing Jin. Really didn't expect that.
 
57RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 18:04 		Interesting:

I just rewatched the episode during lunch. During the exchange between Norton (lawyer) and Ben, Norton says "Yemi said that the man found outside Santa Rosa was killed before Reyes escaped."

"Yemi said"...very interesting.
 
58Count Ivan
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      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 22:28 		Norton said "The M.E. (Medical Examiner) said that the man found outside Santa Rosa was killed before Reyes escaped."
 
59RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 00:04 		HA! I guess you hear what you want to hear! (I swear I listened to it many times.)
 
60boikin
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      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 10:58 		the nosebleed issue is interesting, as Daniel chalks it up to time spent on the island before - yet he's not affected, even though we know he's been there before too...

not exactly it could just mean that we know he WILL be on the island at the point they remember him from.
 
61Species
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 01:27 		Okay that was pretty interesting.
 
62boikin
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 11:42 		I think i am more lost than ever, now they have a whole new crew of survivors on the the island...
 
63RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 11:59 		Its interesting. They landed on "Alcatraz Island", the smaller island, probably on that "air strip" (for the UFOs) that Sawyer and Kate were working on. Hey "Frank don't crash".
 
64boikin
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 12:24 		They landed on "Alcatraz Island", the smaller island, probably on that "air strip" (for the UFOs) that Sawyer and Kate were working on. i do not remember this part can someone give me a refresher?
 
65Count Ivan
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 13:00 		Runway here
 
66Balrog
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 14:45 		So who's the bad guy? Linus, Whitmore, both, or neither? I'm thinking both. I suggested to my son last night that Linus and Whitmore are like Greek gods with probably petty plans and ambitions that totally screw up the mortals' lives.
 
67Rendle
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 15:16 		My guess is Widmore.

This whole season has been ridiculously good. As good as the episodes are the previews for the following week are even better. Can't wait for next week.
 
68beastiemiked
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      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 16:08 		I don't think either is good. The writers are going to have to come up with something really clever to make either of them out to be good.
 
70allhair allstars
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      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 11:21 		Rendle, I never watch the previews but my wife does, so I always end up closing my eues plugging my ears with my fingers while doing the "la la la" thing until she taps me on the shoulder to let me know the previews are over... :)

bmd, I would require a massive twist get me buy into one of the being a good guy... which of course means that I'm sure one of them will be....
 
71Balrog
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      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 12:30 		Locke, Aaron, Alpert, and Walt may be candidates for the good guy. With the time travel stuff, Aaron could come back as an adult before this is over. Aaron from the Bible was high priest of the Hebrews. A high priest would come in handy for the island right about now.
 
72Balrog
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      ID: 02856618
      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 12:32 		And I just realized that Aaron in the Bible was the brother of Moses, who delivered the Hebrews. Aaron in the Lost is half-brother of Jack, who's been trying to deliver the Losties since day one.
 
73RecycledSpinalFluid
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      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 13:21 		Jack is Claires half-brother, so Aaron would be Jack's nephew. Uncle Jack.
 
74Balrog
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      Sun, Mar 01, 2009, 17:26 		You are correct, sir.
 
75Johnny Sue
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      Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 23:35 		Loved, loved, loved this past episode named LaFleur. Sawyer hooking up with Juliet was to be expected.

In case you missed it, here's a nice little recap for you:

LaFleur

Enjoy!
 
76C1-NRB
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      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:10 		Help me out- How did Kate and Cassidy (Sawyer's ex) know each other? Usually they give you enough of a tickle in the "Previously" opening that I can reconstruct the setup, but I can't put them together this time.
 
77Balrog
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      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 11:27 		By chance (?) Cassidy ran into Kate in Iowa. She was conning some guy and Kate talked them out of calling the cops. Then Cassidy helped Kate get to talk to her mom (after she had killed step-daddy and the authorities were looking for her).
 
78Donavan
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      Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 22:16 		Where's all the love for the absolute best show on TV today? I know it's gotten a little crazy...ok, ok, A LOT crazy, with all the time warp stuff but it is some of the best writing/acting I've ever seen on free t.v.

Kudos to those that have watched all five years thus far. Now, if you can only remember all that you've watched, you're a much better person than I.
 
79Tree
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      Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 09:07 		i was out of town for a few weeks, so caught up on the previous two episodes, and watched last night, all within the period of about 5 days.

last night's cliffhanger was one of my favorite ever. a true "WHOA!" moment, because, while i had every expectation as to who would be emerging from the sub, i didn't expect him to know and greet Miles...
 
80katietx
      ID: 201411622
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 13:30 		Previews last night kinda irked me. I didn't want to know 'they' were off the sub. Bad move on ABC's part.
 
81Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 13:36 		Best line of the night, by Sayid (paraphrasing, when Sayid explained why he agreed to come along to find/detonate the hydrogen bomb):

'Well either you're right and you will save us all.....or you're wrong and will put us out of our misery'
 
82Building 7
      ID: 471052128
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 14:04 		I'd go with:

OK, OK, you got me, We're from the future.
 
83Balrog
      Dude
      ID: 02856618
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 14:14 		RE: 80

Have to agree with katietx on the spoiler, but on the other hand I also thought it was kind of implausible that they'd so quickly go from "Lets beat the truth out of these traitors" to "Lets just put 'em on the sub and maybe save their lives while we wait here."

 
84boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 17:47 		why are no questions being answered and why do i feel like they are just going to reset everything, i sure hope that is not how it all ends up....I think they can fill multiple season just answering questions
 
85skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, May 13, 2009, 10:26 		It would suck if that is what happens (i.e. a reset), but then they all still encounter each other after the plane lands in LA safely. They could all get off the plane, ackowledge each other as they are leaving like they don't even know them (but maybe with a deja-vu type reaction), but the last thing we see is a shot of Richard or Ben or Faraday or Widmore maybe observing them...guaranteed there will be something left untold to leave everyone wondering!
 
86C1-NRB
      ID: 2911103011
      Wed, May 13, 2009, 11:26 		Tonight's season finale starts an hour early.
Adjust your schedules accordingly.
 
87boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, May 15, 2009, 09:51 		I feel like they actually answered some questions and now everyone is dead...I think it might almost be ok if there is reset now...
 
88katietx
      ID: 201411622
      Fri, May 15, 2009, 15:21 		I don't think everyone is dead. I think they are back in the "present" on the island. Not in LA
 
89Balrog
      Dude
      ID: 02856618
      Fri, May 15, 2009, 16:44 		Yep. I think they are the ones Jacob says are coming with his "dying" breath.

If that's true, then it's not a reset because the rest of the gang are already at the statue. I think what happened this season didn't change the past, but changed the present. This will allow the losties the opportunity to face the forces that have been manipulating them. An opportunity not so much to change the past, but to undo the damage.
 
90Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, May 15, 2009, 17:14 		So......how is the guy who wanted to kill Jacob in the first scene able to "channel" Locke? It sure seemed like Locke, with knowledge of his former castaways, being killed by Ben, etc. That one threw me for a loop.

Agree with Balrog....the 1977 Losties "are coming" back to "the present" (is there such a thing?). I hope it saves Sayid.

So any thoughts on how long Jacob and the mystery man have been on the island? The ship being brought in by Jacob sure looked like something from as far back as perhaps the 1700's?
 
91RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Fri, May 15, 2009, 18:02 		I'm in the Miles camp. The Losties created "the Incident" by detonating the bomb...needing it to be encased in cement..."like Chernobyl" as Sayid said many seasons ago, when originally exploring the Swan.

Species, my take on that is that Jacob is "the light" and the other guy is "the dark". The dark dude controls "smokey", the smoke monster, who "scanned" Locke at one point, so perhaps thats where he got that.
 
92tree, on the treo
      ID: 55220277
      Fri, May 15, 2009, 18:16 		we know that not every on the immediate vacinity of the bomb didn't die.

pierre chang and radinsky are both either seen or talked about, post-incident.
 
93reebbertxx
      ID: 19346514
      Sat, May 16, 2009, 23:52 		90>

I got the impression that the ship in the background was the Black Rock. That is just a guess but I think it makes sense on many levels. I haven't done any digging but I think I remember hearing that the ship was from the mid 1800's.

 
94boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Thu, May 21, 2009, 11:27 		I think it is pretty clear that jacob and anti-jacob have been on the island for much longer than when they show them. They talk about how bringing the ship is not the first time jacob has brought people to the island and jacob is shown weaving patterns in a much ancienter style.
 
95Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Thu, May 21, 2009, 12:08 		rebber - good call. i bet you're right on that.