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- Leader [01584348] Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 09:29
The twenty Season-20 contestants have been 'officially' revealed on the official site.
We have 4 past winners, and 8 runners up (nine if you count Amanda twice), and have 13 total jury appearances among them. There are nine who have appeared on two previous seasons.
Heroes
Men
Colby Donaldson - Australian Outback (runner up to Tina), All Stars (5th out)
James Clement - China (10th out/jury), Micronesia (injured/jury)
JT Thomas - Tocantins (*winner*)
Rupert Boneham - Pearl Islands (8th out/jury), All Stars (15th out/jury)
Tom Westman - Palau (*winner*)
Amanda Kimmel - China (2nd runner up to Todd), Micronesia (runner up to Pavarti)
Candice Woodcock - Cook Islands (13th out/jury)
Cerie Fields - Panama Exile Island (12th out/jury), Micronesia (15th out/jury)
Stephenie LaGrossa - Palau (10th out/jury), Guatemala (runner up to Dani)
Sugar Kiper - Gabon (2nd runner up to Bob)
Villains
Men
Ben "Coach" Wade - Tocantins (11th out/jury)
Randy Bailey - Gabon (11th out/jury)
Rob "Boston Rob" Mariano - Marquesas (7th out), All Stars (runner up to future wife Amber)
Russell Hantz: Samoa (runner up to Natalie)
Tyson Apostol - Tocantins (8th out/jury)
Women
Courtney Yates - China (runner up to Todd)
Danielle DiLorenzo - Exile Island Panama (runner up to Aras)
Jerri Manthey - Australian Outback (8th out/jury), All Stars (7th out)
Parvati Shallow - Cook Islands (15th out/jury), Micronesia (*winner*)
Sandra Diaz-Twine - Pearl Islands (*winner*)
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| | | 1 | JeffG
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ID: 01584348
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 09:16
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The 2-hour season premier last night had no real hook. They seem to be really hoping the big personalities and familiar faces carry the show.
I will say that as much as I am 'rooting against' many of the villians, based on episode 1, they are infinitely more interesting and provide better sound bytes than folks on the heroes tribe.
Real scare with the injuries. One of my all-time favorites, Stephanie from New Jersey, was almost done 20 minutes into the show with a separated shoulder. Also the very popular Rupert (Who I am already tiring of) is now dealing with a broken toe. I definitely do not like the challenges where there is some form of wrestling involved.
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| | | 2 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 10:19
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I remember rooting for Sugar last time, but this time I was glad to see her go. She's pretty much worthless if you don't have an alliance with her.
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| | | 3 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1740422
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 12:23
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Should be an awesome season...the preview of next week looked pretty scary...would hate to see Boston Rob leave so early.
How perfect are Coach and Jerri together? They are two peas from the same pod.
Rupert may be lovable but the guy is an idiot. Very tired of him already.
I predict the villains will dominate.
Probst blog...
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| | | 4 | Weykool
ID: 401311112
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 13:12
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Loved the opening episode.
Quote of the day:
Boston Rob..."I'm a villain"?
Stephanie getting her shoulder popped back into the socket while the men winced was classic.
Been meaning to make a point since season 19 winner was announced.
Russell was offering 100K for the title Sole Survivor.
Would he have done that if he made it to the finals of season 20?
Highly doubtful.
His schtick wont work on other equally adept players like it did last season.
The two women he talked with are already onto him.
Im looking for an ealy the tribe has spoken for Russell.
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| | | 5 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 14:14
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Rumors are that Russell makes it very deep again...but does not win. So seems likely his schtick does work. But...who knows...just rumors.
Have seen some interviews with other contestants where they have said they wish they saw Russell in S19 and they would have voted him off first if they had. Definite advantage for him that they started filming S20 when S19 was being shown on TV so no one had advance knowledge on him.
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| | | 6 | WiddleAvi
ID: 32559
Fri, Mar 05, 2010, 10:05
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First great episode of this season IMO. Happy they added hidden idols to the mix. Add so much to the game. It seemed like Russel was too quick in going after it. Coach - Waaaa, Waaa I just want people to like me. You membership the the brotherhood of men is herby revoked.
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| | | 7 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Fri, Mar 05, 2010, 10:35
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I enjoy when the strategic game is played and you can see it play out. Everyone at tribal did play it well for the Heroes last night.
Rupert was the first one to say aloud what every person thinks about at tribal when he said that his strategy was to stick to promises made to the folks he alligned with over what would probably work best for his interests. James on the other hand says out loud that he's going to vote for what is best for the tribe but you know he is not to be believed. Those were really two guys I liked in prior seasons but are both turning into jerks this season.
Glad the Heroes did not lose Tom last night. I think losing him or Colby instead of Cerie would have crippled them for all future challenges pre-merge and turn this season into Villains vs Villains. If JT sticks with those two and can bring one of the girls along, that may be a core that will be hard to beat pre and post merge.
I'll say this for Russell. He is cocky and brazen, but that may not work with this crew and you can see the social game being played much better by his tribemates. I'm still rooting for him and think he really needs the HII, but as it is playing out now I can see him going before Tyson/Coach/Rob or most of the women.
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| | | 8 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Mar 05, 2010, 17:42
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I'm sorry....but "the greatest survivor player ever" would never announce to the tribe that they are "going for a walk" when everyone else is working on the shelter.
Russell....every season is different.
What worked last season might not work this season.
Even an average player would know that they need to adapt.
If you want to see someone changing their game and adapting to the situation look no further than JT.
We cant revoke coach's membership because he has never been in the brotherhood of men.
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| | | 9 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 11:55
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Should be interesting in 2 weeks...the Boston Rob vs Russell showdown...
While Russell may be on the outs because of his searching for the idol. The rest of the tribe was silly to let him get it without trying to look themselves. I do not think they understand the power that the immunity idol holds in this game. It is definitely a powerful tool in breaking up alliances.
remember it is on a Wednesday...
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| | | 10 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Wed, Mar 24, 2010, 21:56
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Episode did not disappoint...that was an interesting game of back and forth between two masters in Russell and Rob.
The only way Russell could have played it better was to keep the immunity idol and still crack the alliance.
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| | | 11 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Thu, Mar 25, 2010, 10:04
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Amazing TC. What a great chess match. Russell and Rob are always at least a step ahead of everyone else, I can't wait to see how it plays out with those two great strategists/schemers. Tyson was the perfect foil.
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| | | 12 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Thu, Mar 25, 2010, 11:27
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Two great TC's
I am looking forward to see how Colby handles his newfound second life.
Also looking forward to see who Russell is able to bring over to his alliance.
Going into the vote it was 6 vs 3.
It is still 5 vs 3.
Does Russell have it in him to find another hidden immunity idol without the help of a clue?
The move by Tyson has to rank up there with the all time boneheaded moves.
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| | | 13 | WiddleAvi
ID: 352232517
Thu, Mar 25, 2010, 18:23
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I think there were 2 bonehead moves. Russel giving away the idol was bonehead. He got lucky that Tyson is a bigger bonehead. Tyson had nothing to gain by voting for Parvaty instead of Russel, not sure what he was thinking. If Tyson had not been such a bonehead Russel would be gone.
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| | | 14 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Thu, Mar 25, 2010, 21:59
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It will be interesting to hear Rob try to dig out who swithed their vote to Pahrvati, especially since the switcher was the one that got voted off. They'll all deny being the flopper.
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| | | 15 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Thu, Mar 25, 2010, 22:42
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I am not sure how giving away the idol was a bonehead move? Obviously Russell had a good idea of what to expect at the jury. When something works and produces the desired results...it is a great move period. "Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly."
I think the boneheaded move was by Rob and his alliance...
Like I said last week...letting Russell get the idol was a very bad move and I predicted it would come back to haunt them.
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."
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| | | 16 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Mar 26, 2010, 15:27
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I dont think it will be all that difficult for Rob to find out who switched because he was one of the votes for Russell.
That only leaves Sandra and Tyson and Im pretty sure Rob trusts Sandra.
I dont know that Russell's move can be classified as boneheaded.
If Tyson doesnt switch then Russell and Tyson would have been tied with Russell going home on a revote.
The problem was Russell didnt have any other options.
If he doesnt give the idol to Parviti then it would just be a matter of time till he is gone....most likely next TC.
The numbers are still 5 vs 3 but its much better than 6 vs 2.
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| | | 17 | WiddleAvi
ID: 352232517
Fri, Mar 26, 2010, 15:35
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Russell got lucky. Rob had a plan and had it been followed Russell would be gone. And things can change quickly in survivor. They might start saying without Parvarti Russell is not much of a threat and keep him around a little longer, The merge could happen. The point is that only a boneheaded move saved Russell. Tyson changing his vote did not in anyway benefit Tyson. Had Russell kept the idol he was guaranteed to stay.
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| | | 18 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Fri, Mar 26, 2010, 16:17
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Funny Russell seems to get lucky quite often in this game. I heard it all last season too. Maybe he is right that the rest of the contestants are idiots.
I often hear that when I am playing poker...you are so lucky...the lament of the loser imo. Luck has little to do with it...I believe you make your own luck. I think if he is not convinced he has Tyson he keeps the idol for himself...or more likely he moves onto a plan B and sways someone else.
Again the real boneheaded move was by Rob and alliance letting Russell have the immunity idol.
The 3/3/3 vote was risky regardless...it leaves you very vulnerable...all it takes is one defector and the plan fails.
As was said things change quickly in Survivor...one bold move can change the game. I predict this will be the end of the Rob alliance and the beginning of his downfall in the game. Displaying paranoia and desperation in this game often leads to people defecting.
In S19 Russell led a far outnumbered alliance and survived until the end. It will be amazing if he can do it again.
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| | | 19 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 466581618
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 20:01
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Welcome to the big leagues...buh-bye Rob...Russell gets "lucky" again...
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| | | 20 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 21:32
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I predict this will be the end of the Rob alliance and the beginning of his downfall in the game.
Well done TRS.
Probably even a little sooner than you would have imagined.
The problem with Russell is he learned nothing from Somoa.
He might be the best surviror ever when it comes to getting into the finals.....but he is amoung the worst at securing jury votes.
The best he will ever do is runner-up.
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| | | 21 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 15:33
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Pretty boring episode. Most interesting part was the previews from next week. If the heroes hand the immunity idol to Russell...it will go down as the stupidest move ever. I don't believe it will happen...if it was to happen I do not think they would preview it.
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| | | 22 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 16:07
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I watched the last two episodes back-to-back last night. Without a week to mull over what happened when Rob was sent packing I thought they were both pretty good.
Russell is no longer running his tribe, though. Sandra is in charge now. When Russell went to Jeri and Danielle and said he'd changed his mind about getting rid of Coach and he got voted off anyway it cemented Sandra as the new top dog. I like how JT planted the idea of a female alliance with the Villians.
And explain this to me: Apparently none of the women Villians that vote with Russle like or trust him, but they refuse to band together and get rid of him. If they'd done that last night they'd still have "Mr. Loyalty" Coach.
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| | | 23 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 17:18
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[21] I believe the Heroes v Villains season was filmed before the Samoa finale aired. For all we know Russell was under the impression he had won during this seasons filming.
It is a whole new game with the merge that could throw some tentative villain alliances out the window. Old season's relationships (Colby/Jerri, Sandra/Rupert, or Amanda/Pavarti) for example could factor into new alliance building. Russell is going to go into the merged camp and approach the Hero-5 presenting himself as a lone wolf. They may eagerly take him in thinking that gives them a new 6-5 advantage.
Sandra proved she is a player last night. She won her season always with the agenda of convincing her tribemates that there are bigger fish to elimnate first. I think Amanda (twice) and Courtney went to the final-2 with that approach. Sandra's issue in the merged camp these next couple of weeks is going to be hoping to protect those she has aligned with, if she survives a few week that will put her in a position of strength down the stretch.
I'm rooting for JT and I think he can win if he can keep the HII and does not give it to Russell as the promo is hinting. But since he obviously lets the secret out, if someone does not play it and it stays in JTs pocket, he could be targeted. If not JT, I hope Russell wins just because of how he has brought life back into these last two seasons.
I still think the three former winners (JT, Sandra, and Pavarti) somehow have to realize their best shot of winning is to be sitting along side another winner at the final tribal. Will that come into play down the road.
This next episode could be the game changer.
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| | | 24 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 17:26
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Last season Russell finds 3 hidden immunity idols, two without any clues.
This season he finds the idol that the tribe wasnt going to look for.
If he somehow ends up with the idol from the other tribe it would be a feat almost beyond comprehension.
I will be looking forward to reading his new book.
101 ways to Find/Acquire Hidden Immunity Idols.
in past seasons the promos have been teasers that have never panned out as advertised.
But it seems recently that the promos have been straight forward.
I dont know if he will actually get the idol but the fact that there is even talk of it is unbelievable.
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| | | 25 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 17:39
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I do not think they will merge next week...but will the following week. I do not think that they have a preset time when they merge and survivor does it when it makes the most sense. Likely will go into the merge 5 vs 5. I think in general the villains are the better strategists and will find a way to blindside the heroes after the merge. Expect a top 3 villain finals.
JT likely does not have long in the game imo. He has lost the trust of the heroes and he also is too strong of a physical threat to keep around deep into the game. I expect an early merge Russell move will lead to JTs demise.
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| | | 26 | Nuclear Gophers
ID: 7115138
Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 19:41
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My scenario:
Merge next week. Russell convinces JT he is not in an alliance and the next to be voted off, and convinces JT to give him the idol, then Russell blind sides JT
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| | | 27 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sat, Apr 10, 2010, 02:23
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Why do people insist on airing their dirty laundry with each other during tribal council? Isn't that the absolute worst place to do it? I know tribal is heavily edited and I know that Probst does his best to get reactions (and some say he's crossed the line on many occasions), but if I'm at tribal, I give "Jeffrey" absolutely no info whatsoever.
Having said that, it's just plain idiotic to get rid of your stronger people pre-merge. The hope--one would think--is to keep your group strong so that you would rarely visit tribal at all, if ever. Then when the merge occurs, THAT is the time to cut the head off the strong---not before.
The Villians are getting their just dues...serious lack of strength/leadership, feminine numbers, a deplorable resignation and acceptance of defeat and finally, an advanced aura of suckitude that would make the Washington Generals proud.
How one team knocks off Tyson, Boston Rob and Coach in successive manner and thinks they're better off is way beyond my understanding. Let's hope that the true mastermind of the camp----SANDRA----never lets Captain Ego off the hook and sets him up royally for a big fall.
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| | | 28 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Sat, Apr 10, 2010, 17:12
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Sandra must be torn between voting off Russell immediately or using him to vote off others first. She sure seems to have his number.
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| | | 29 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Sat, Apr 10, 2010, 18:27
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The question is why would you want to vote off Russell?
He is easily manipulated (Something Parviti has figured out) and if you take him to the finals your chances of winning are now 50-50.
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| | | 30 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Sat, Apr 10, 2010, 20:26
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Ah but that's the problem. Just as Sandra could manipulate him to vote off Parvati, so could Parvati manipulate him to vote off Sandra. If they both try to get him to get the other, right now I'd say Parvati would win over Sandra.
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| | | 31 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 00:50
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lolHeroes...giving idol to Russell, that was so classic. Though the girls are going to take Russell down at some point.
Villians...HUGE mistake not eliminating Sandra when they had the chance...she is far more dangerous than Courtney. Sandra has won this game once...she is a good player and is going to make her way to the finals again.
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| | | 32 | JeffG
Dude
ID: 01584348
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 08:52
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Russell is the Hidden Immunity Idol king.
Dumb is not a strong enough word for JT/Colby. When the heroes know they were not merging yet and if they won the challenge it would be 5 vs 5 at that point, why would they not just keep the HII in their pocket and use it to further their interests later?
I would think the heroes are going to drop one by one now that Parvati and Russell both have HII in their pockets. It would certainly be a classic if it were Russell vs Parvati as the final-2, as devious as both are, I don't see either turning on the other as it may be tough for both now to get allies from the other side.
It would be interesting to see if Sandra or Jerri can make a move. They both have prior season mates in Rupert or Colby. If either can keep the targets off their hero buddy's back and wait after the first couple of heroes are whacked they can make their power move and try to take a blind side on one of the other villains.
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| | | 33 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 11:13
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In the words of JT "I think we made Survivor history".
I beleive the finals will be a 3 player affiar.
There are 10 players left with 2 on the jury.
The villians made a huge mistake by not taking out Sandra.
Courtney isnt smart enough to make a play while Sandra is, as the previews are showing.
The question is...are the heros smart enough to flush out the idols while they still have the numbers (with Sandra)?
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| | | 34 | Nuclear Gophers
ID: 7115138
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 18:10
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Classic line: I dont have to find the Idol, people just give it to me. ROTFLMAO
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| | | 35 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 20:57
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From a blog by Dalton Ross:
I could wax poetic about the hidden immunity idol clue not being the first thing to get into both Parvati's underwear and Danielle's cleavage.
In addition:
Unfortunately, due to time constraints, we did not see the entire contents of J.T.'s letter, but here it is in all its unedited glory:
Russell,
This is a huge turning point in this game. Huge because I am about to make a complete ass of myself on national television. This is not fake. I wouldn't waste your time or mine, because lord knows we're sooooooo busy out here doing absolutely nothing 23 hours a day. Just by competing against you and in the few handshakes that we've had I feel like I can trust you. The same way my alliance here could trust me to change my vote every three days according to my game of eeny, meeny, miny, moe. Play the idol tonight and save yourself. All the girls should be writing your name down so act like you know you are going home. Kind of like the way you have convinced me into writing this idiotic letter. Basically, try to make sure they are as dumb as me and Rupert. I think you should write Parvati's name down and send her home. We will most likely merge at 10 people and you will be completely safe with us. Because why wouldn't you want to be the sixth person in a six-person alliance as opposed to a key member of a five-person pact? That makes all the mathematical sense in the world, right? Our five plus you will remain strong until the girls are done with. We can then work on getting ourselves to the final 3, and when I say ''ourselves'', I mean me, Amanda, and Rupert. But mostly me. This is your chance to prove you're not a Survivor villain. And my chance to prove I am a genuine jackass. Please destroy after reading so no further evidence of my idiocy exists.
Love,
J.T.
P.S. If possible, could you make sure to have Parvati read this aloud on the beach so that I may be publicly mocked to an even greater degree? That would be swell.
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| | | 36 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 23:36
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The really stupid one last night was Parvati. With her own idol in hand she should've convinced the rest of Russell's crew (with Danielle's help) to drop Russell. Especially when he showed it to the rest of them. I was sure by the look on Jeri's face she was going to run off and tell Sandra and Courtney to at least force a tie. Then he and his gift idol would be gone and only Parvati and Danielle would be "safe." They wouldn't have even had to tell the others about the one they had.
The other stupid move was not dropping Sandra. She is the original sneaky snake. Wasn't she the first winner to never have a vote cast against her? She won by sneaking around with her ear to the ground, knowing what was going to happen next and warning those that needed warning, thereby endearing herself to them, and earning their trust by what she told them. The only ones she deceived were those she wanted gone because of their strength/alliances and once they were gone (like Coach) they never knew what hit them.
The previews are showing Sandra's back true to form, too. The Heroes don't need Russell; they have Sandra. And she's good enough to "innocently" play both sides of the fence without getting caught because in order to stop her, others will have to cross tribal lines. And the only one I can see doing that would be JT, but he should also be the first or second to go regardless of who he's aligned with if he doesn't get individual immunity based on past performance.
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| | | 37 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Thu, Apr 22, 2010, 22:46
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Wow this seasons tribals have been the best ever. Really a pleasure to watch people actually playing the game. Was nice to see Parvati one up Russell..."see I can play the same tribal immunity games". Obvious Russell will get intimidated/paranoid about that move. Seems like everyone was right to openly fear Parvati...she is a player.
Surprised Sandra did not openly defect but was probably a good move to keep herself out of the spotlight.
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| | | 38 | Tastethewaste
ID: 33102223
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 00:10
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I thought parvatis move wasn't that strong. She just fractured
her alliance and gave up all her power by outing herself as
the queen. She now has no idol to play. She had Russell in
her back pocket and now he's dead man walking. The blunder
obviously occurred last week by not ousting Sandra. Courtney
is a zero player who I think had no one to go to on the hero
tribe. Not only does Sandra have a natural alliance with
Rupert she's also known to sell her vote to anyone I know
Parvati is thinking Sandra owes her one but Sandra doesn't
play that way. Amanda could have also been an ally of
Parvati but now Amanda now knows Parvati was holding out
on her (as does Russell) and Parvati did what Amanda
wanted anyway plus gave up russells idol. No just one
defector is all it takes for the heroes to get the upper hand
and fix jts awful mistakes. Sandra most definitely will defect
and Russell may to (though the heroes probably won't take
him).
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| | | 39 | weykool
ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 11:12
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I know JT was the big loser last night but I'm not too sure who the big winner is.
The villians lost both of their idols and they still have Sandra who is not 100% with them.
Parvati has tipped her hand to Russell that he wasnt the one who was in charge and that will mean Russell and his ego putting Parvati in his crosshairs.
Parvati and Amanda both know that they cant trust each other.
Should be very interesting to see everyone scramble to solidify or reform new alliances.
Too bad Sandra couldnt convince the heros to trust her more.
Missed golden opportunity of the night:
How awesome would it have been if the heros let Sandra know that they were voting for Jerri and Sandra decides to throw her meaningless vote on Russell?
When Parviti hands her the idol she simply passes it to JT.
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| | | 40 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 550421116
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 11:20
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I think it was the move that had to be made to keep the numbers on the villians side. I have NO doubt Sandra is going to swing at some point but I think she will play along with the villians for a bit more. Sandra is generally happy to go along while she thinks she is safe. They are going to eliminate more heroes before they start turning on each other. I do 100% agree they are making a huge mistake keeping Sandra around...she won once, can def win again.
It does sort of suck to use up two immunity idols but it was a very critical point in the game so I have a hard time finding fault in Parvati's move.
Amanda never was a future tool for Parvati...they know each other and neither trust the other. I would be surprised if Amanda is not the next gone. In fact Amanda talking to Parvati at all was probably the heroes downfall as Parvati read her like an open book.
The fact that they showed Russell upset in next weeks previews leads me to believe that will blow over quickly.
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| | | 41 | Building 7
ID: 229152116
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 11:46
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I don't think they'll let anyone win it twice, i.e. Sandra. Unless there are only prior winners left at the end. They would really have to hate the other person(s) left at the end to vote for a prior winner IMO. But, I don't watch this show much.
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| | | 42 | tastethewaste
ID: 123182315
Fri, Apr 23, 2010, 16:18
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but why would she have to make that move. I understand her thinking. she thinks shes solidifying the villians, but she did the exact opposite. She keeps jerri and loses russell and sandra. Why would sandra remain with the villians? if she jumps to the heroes now shes the 5th wheel but she the heroes have 2 groups of 2 left. Colby-Rupert and Amanda-Candice. She helps knock out all the villians and then becomes the swing vote at 5. then she sticks with that alliance and makes it to final 3. probably amanda-candice.
If sandra sticks with the villians shes 5th in a 4 person alliance. If russell doesnt waiver with parvati, jerri would go 4th and parvati danielle and russell make it. It just makes sense for sandra to have stayed with the villians and hope the JT gambit paid off. JT was the alpha male calling the shots for the heroes. with him gone she can now take his place and remain under the radar.
If parvati uses one idol on her alliance mate (jerri) and guesses wrong, then the heroes think theyve outsmarted the villians but all the did was lop off the extra baggage in sandra. Parvati would be the next likely target for the heroes and she would use her other idol that only danielle knows about and oust one of the heroes through a blowback vote.
If parvati played no idols, she now has 2. Jerri now has to do some firemaking contest vs JT or whatever tiebreaker rules are in effect. If she loses, the heroes have little need for sandra in their alliance so she wouldnt jump teams. Parvati would be next to go again but she uses the idol and gets a hero out via blowback vote and its tied 4-4 again. Then she uses 2nd idol gets another hero and villians are up 4-3 and her position is more secure. Russells not isolated and paranoid and sandra is stuck trying to scramble too late.
now parvati is relying on sandra not to jump at 9. she couldve had the same situation or better at 7 or even 6 before she could even get voted for and thats also barring any immunity wins.
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ID: 04352469
Sat, Apr 24, 2010, 00:04
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Excellent episode and another outstanding tribal council. Previously when an idol was played, they put it back into the game. Since they've merged, are we safe to assume that the idols played will NOT be put back in play?
FWIW, JT being voted out, in effect, by his own idol is simply the most idiotic thing I've ever seen on this show. This show never ceases to amaze me.
Just wish we could get all seasons on DVD!
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ID: 351422416
Fri, Apr 30, 2010, 18:26
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Russell finds yet another immunity idol?
He isnt even at the reward and he still comes up with it?
Thus far he has 6 out of the 7 idols from the last two seasons.
Amazing.
Of course being the best survivor ever doesnt keep him from playing it when he didnt need to.
From Probst's blog:
INSIGHT: Next season it will take more than just looking under a rock to find a hidden idol. I won’t give away what we’re doing, but in planning our creative for next season we coined a phrase, “The Russell Factor” and it influenced how we will play the hidden idol next season.
A complete debacle on the part of Colby and Amanda to give up the idol clue.
I was really disappointed to see Candice flip on her hero mates.
If you are at worst 4th in the hero alliance what do you gain by being 5th or 6th in the villian alliance?
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ID: 04352469
Sat, May 01, 2010, 01:04
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Well, if that idiot Danielle hadn't told Russell about the clue, he would never have found it. She could have just said that there was no clue found.
Of course being the best survivor ever doesnt keep him from playing it when he didnt need to.
The only title Russell is going to get is TheBestSurvivorNeverToWinSurvivor. I can't possibly see how he thinks that people will actually vote for him...with his smug, arrogant attitude and all.
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ID: 02856618
Sat, May 01, 2010, 11:58
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Candice is in trouble with both sides. One for flipping and the other for not telling Russell they were voting Parvati. Her only chance now is to try and organize a Russell vote off.
On the other hand, she may be the only one Russell could beat in the final.
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ID: 04352469
Sat, May 01, 2010, 16:02
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It makes absolutely no difference who is in the final three with Russell, if he makes it that far. There isn’t a jury alive who would vote to give him the first prize of a million bucks. I doubt if he would even get a, that is ONE, vote. He is very feeble at a major part of the game. He has no friends. No one likes him. No one respects him.
I agree that Candice is in serious doo-doo. I'm thinking she will definitely be booted next.
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ID: 280401016
Sat, May 01, 2010, 16:52
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"I agree that Candice is in serious doo-doo. I'm thinking she will definitely be booted next. "
I sure hope so, dumb b
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ID: 1550160
Sat, May 01, 2010, 19:28
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Candice should be an easy boot. It will be one of those that both sides may agree on...
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ID: 401412422
Sat, May 01, 2010, 22:28
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I was a little surprised to see Sandra's vote go against Amanda. What I figure that happened was during Sandra's pow-wow with Candice (when she shooed Russell away) a lot more went on after the scene was editted. Sandra got the vibe from Candice that she was so scared of what Russell was capable of that she decided to stay with her Villan alliance so she couldn't be pegged by them as a real flipper.
Sandra is a shrewd player and manipulator that reads people very well. She always knows what's going on and happening around her even if she can't do anything about it. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if she held on and won again.
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ID: 04352469
Sun, May 02, 2010, 15:56
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50.....I agree wholeheartedly. Sandra's mantra of "as long as it's not me" is one that has not only won her one Survivor competition but has her still in this game so far. They should have bounced her instead of Courtney a couple of weeks back when they had the chance. Because she is so good at reading people and situations, Sandra is the perfect foil to PuppetMaster's master plan and I hope she can hang in there long enough to oversee his ouster.
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ID: 01584348
Mon, May 03, 2010, 08:45
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If a remaining hero can somehow get in the final 2 (or is it 3 this season), they may sneak this one out just because of bitter jury votes. If Colby or Rupert were able to be last hero standing and then somehow survive a few tribals, who knows. Not that either one of them after playing twice before seems to show any ability to play any sort of strategic game.
My dream final 2 would still be Russell and Pavarti, just because they are always thinking ahead plus the jury would have to vote for someone. The heroes on the jury are not going to award devious game play and are going to hold Russell 'swearing on his childrens lives' against him. The heroes all wanted Parvati out since pre-merge, not to mention she is a prior winner. I wonder how many would vote for her either if she was up against a non winner.
Alot of buzz here seems to like Sandra, but she is a prior winner so I do not know if that will play a factor in the vote, which is why to me her end game is she needs Russ or Parv to sit beside her at final tribal more than she needs to flip and blind side them. That is her only ticket IMO.
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ID: 550421116
Mon, May 03, 2010, 14:58
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I heard it will be a final 3 to the jury...
I don't think Sandra being a former winner will factor in much at all especially if she has Parv and Russell as the alternatives.
I would much rather see a final two of parv and russell...that would be a very hard vote for the jury.
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ID: 351422416
Mon, May 03, 2010, 17:57
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#45:
I made the same point in post 20.
Russell is without question the best player when it comes to making it to the finals.
Once he gets there he would be lucky to get one vote.
I think we saw in the scene why Sandra voted for Amanda.
after trying as best she could to convince Candice to vote against the villians she finally asks...."Who do you want to vote out, just tell me".
According to Probst that was her way of giving up but still trying to save face.
In additoin in a Q and A with Amanda:
Candice had a plan that we were going to act like I was going to go home, and Candice wanted her and I to stage a fight that we were against each other. She was doing it to throw Russell off, I guess. She really wanted to do this. She was excited because it was her idea and she thought it was brilliant. We were going to do it but I didn’t think it was necessary. She wanted Russell to stop scheming, and she thought if we staged a fight they wouldn’t scheme. The fact that we didn’t do it, she was upset. I think that’s why she went with the Villains last minute, because we didn’t follow through with her plan.
My prediction to win it all:
Jerri
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| | | 55 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Tue, May 04, 2010, 00:09
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54....If I am not mistaken, this current season of Survivor was already filmed beginning to end BEFORE Russell knew that he had lost in the finals to whatshername in season 19. Correct me if I'm wrong there.
If I'm correct, then I'm thinking that Russell is thinking that he's already won a Survivor title with the added benefit being that all the others from this season have no clue who this guy is. They just know he's is a villian, that's all. But they have to assume he made some sort of major impression just to be included in this season's show.
Now, if I'm on Survivor, I get rid of the clowns that have already won a title. Getting rid of Tom and JT was good; now it's time to oust Sandra, Parvati, and if one is to assume that Russell won Season 19, get rid of him too.
But Survivor isn't played like that and it's not like Parvati and Russell haven't already been targeted anyway. But you can do only what the majority can do.
Survivor usually declares the winner will be the one who offended the jury members the least rather than the one who deserve to win. Russell can't win no matter what.
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ID: 351422416
Tue, May 04, 2010, 12:15
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Bond...You are correct.
Hero's/villians was filmed before Russell found out that he lost season 19 to whatshername.
I agree 100% ...russell cant win survivor.....ever.
He could play survivor 100 times and make the final 2 or 3 99 times and he would be 0-99 at final TC's.
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ID: 04352469
Thu, May 06, 2010, 22:04
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh...just what we needed-----More proof that Russell has no problem backstabbing anybody. Danielle had no reason to go home tonight and either Rupert or Colby did.
Russell already knows that with Candace now eliminated (yay!), the Villians had a 5-2 edge over the Heroes. No need to throw Danielle off the boat now just because she was in an alliance with Parvati. He's got a ticking time-bomb in Sandra and he knows it. Sandra will switch sides just as sure as the wind is blowing.
Now a supposed 4-2 lead can effectively be surmised as 3-3 depending on what Sandra wants to do. Besides, she has the hidden immunity idol and nobody else knows about it. Sweet!!!
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ID: 352232517
Thu, May 06, 2010, 22:19
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Russell's ego is too big for this game.
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ID: 1550160
Fri, May 07, 2010, 00:54
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Yeah...I did not get that move. Danielle is definitely someone I want to be sitting next too facing the jury. Strategy at this point has to be #1 making the jury, #2 bringing the person(s) with you who are also disliked, #3 figuring out how to eliminate people without them being most pissed at you.
Russell is definitely not a social player...but somehow he just bull rushes through everyone and forces enough people to vote his way.
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ID: 351422416
Fri, May 07, 2010, 19:12
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At first I was thinking Russell was making a huge blunder by going after Danielle when he did.
But the more you think about it, it was either then or never and then he would have had to go along with what ever Parvati/Danielle decided.
His ego needing to be the one in control/charge trumps all other moves or thinking on his part.
Of course the way Russell chose to go about it was nearly a complete disaster.
Were it not for Danielle having a complete TC meltdown it would have blown up in his face.
If Jerri doesnt switch here vote last minute, Russell would have painted himself into the corner of a single person alliance.
It should be very interesting to see how the new mini alliances are formed.
Russell has very little choice but to team up with the heros.
I'm not sure what Jerri does now that she backstabbed Parvati.
FYI the final episode will be a week from this Sunday.
Should just as entertaining as the entire season has been.
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| | | 61 | Bond, James Bond
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ID: 04352469
Sat, May 08, 2010, 01:16
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59....It's now gotten to the point where taking Russell to the end with you actually will greatly enhance your chance of winning. In fact, love him or hate him (and to ber sure, there is NO middle ground), having Russell sitting by you in the finals is a must thing. Strange!
60....Had Jerri not listened to Russell by lending her vote toward Danielle, Rupert would have been gone instead. The power of a single vote in this game never ceases to amaze me.
Now I know editing plays a great part in what we see/don't see. But if I were Parvati and Danielle, after they figured out Russell's dirty play, they should have both attacked him verbally.
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ID: 04352469
Fri, May 14, 2010, 01:29
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OK, first off, Colby looked like he was flat out asleep at TC. He was on the end, head resting on his fist, and I swear his eyes were closed. Why the heck is he still here? Apart from the comic relief that is the ongoing theme of “Colby sucks at every challenge, ever”.
I loved the fact that tonight showcased every single little thing I love about Sandra. I loved her being emotional about her uncle, and extolling his character at the challenge, I love the fact that she is the only person ever who could flat out TELL Russell she’s against him, and Russell being too much of a coward to try to berate and bully her like he did with Danielle and Jerry. Seriously, can you imagine him even attempting to talk to her like that? I loved her being so sure of herself that she didn’t even want to bother playing the idol, but she had too anyway since it was the last time it could be played. I loved her basically laying everything out for Probst (and the jury) what happened with Danielle, and what Rupert was trying to do with her. I loved her bonding with Parvati. Finally! I loved her saying that she was going to vote for Rupert again, but she knew he’d still give her the million (and what’s so awesome, is she’s probably right). Seriously, Sandra = Love for me tonight.
And Russell once again proved to be the bullying, chauvinist jackass who is dreadful at this game. So he’s “dragged” Jerri and Parvati - PARV? - through this whole game, and they are “ungrateful little b*****s”? Yeah, he’s the worst end game player this game has ever known, and he’s still completely delusional about everything. I bet he thinks he’d smoke Sandra in the final, which is why he didn’t go along with voting her out. He has absolutely no ability to read the room. None. He might be able to manipulate people by bullying and using their insecurities during the game, but he will never, ever learn that you can’t bully a jury, and the jury has no insecurities to use against them. Idiot.
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ID: 171572711
Fri, May 14, 2010, 09:04
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How much is second place in this game? It's at least $100,000 and maybe $250,000. It's not a million, but it's nothing to sneeze at.
If Russell's strategy is good at getting to the final, but bad at winning the final......I don't think that is all bad. Would you rather have a 90% chance at $250,000 or a 10% chance at a million?
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| | | 64 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Fri, May 14, 2010, 10:19
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Its 90% chance for 100K or 0% chance at 1 million.
I think that everyone who makes the jury wins money.
I was thinking that Colby was sleeping during the immunity challenge as well.
Hard to tell though for that 1 second.
The question is can they come up with a challenge that Colby has any chance of winning?
Yelling at your brother because you cant throw water is rediculous.
Colby has to be next to go because you cant take that 1% chance that he gets immunity and makes it to the final 3.
Most likely to win the million if they make final 3:
Colby
Jerri
Sandra
Parvati
Russell
Colby would need to win two immunity challenges which would be highly unlikely, seems to be between Sandra and Jerri.
If you are Russell or Parvati....who do you take?
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Dude
ID: 01584348
Fri, May 14, 2010, 10:54
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I agree with that most likely list in [64] but I bet everyone in camp realizes this too and they all know they have to get rid of Cobly - even though Colby has done nothing this season worthy of winning strategically or competitively and only provided comic releif.
Sandra did have great sound bytes last night.
Too bad it is a final 3 this season. Russ v Parv would be the most interesting final 2.
I think Russ & Parv would take Sandra over either of the others when it gets to deciding the fianl 3 from the final 4. Colby and Jerri have too many friends in the jury. (Or is it now more Sandra & Parv taking Russell with them to the final 3).
Last night Russell made the right move getting out a hero, but 're-screwing' Rupert in last night's tribal even means he is less likely to gain a jury vote. He had no reason to fake an alliance with them, other than making for good television. We've seen the final tribal too many times, all the egos come out in the Q&A portion and the 'I was playing a game' speach never works. I do not thing anyone ever rewarded the finalist who most blatantly lied a final vote.
Finally, I just want to give Parvati some props. With all due respect to Russell, she may be the best Survivor player. She wins challenges, plays very strategically, and masters the inter-personal game creating relationships and never losing sight of the fact you need jury votes from the folks you vote off. The heroes feared her and targeted her from the start
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| | | 66 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Fri, May 14, 2010, 10:58
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My wife firmly believes Colby has been sandbagging the whole time. She thinks he'll turn it on for the last immunity challenge to ensure a final three.
Watching just how bad he's been versus how good he was in Australia makes me think he's flipped his game. In Australia he won every individual immunity challenge and it wasn't even close. The jury was so jealous that he didn't have to "do" any social game play to make it to the end that they voted for his little coattailer.
I think that really had an effect on him. He's kept his head down, literally last night- even Probst didn't prod him, and can sneak his way into the finals. Everyone that he was aligned with did something to stir the pot and that's what got them voted off. It was like he had immunity because someone else was always a bigger target, like Sandra did in her first season.
If Colby doesn't win the next-to-last immunity he could be gone, but I think the Villians all have certain grudges against each other and will get rid of one more of their own given the chance. Each villian has another villian that they would rather not have to sit next to in the finals and since Colby has shown no proclivity for challenges (even going back to All Stars) they'll let him stick around one more round thinking they can drop him at the end.
I bet it bites them, too.
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ID: 1740422
Fri, May 14, 2010, 22:42
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I have heard the prize money is a bit higher in the all-star seasons. Still a million for first but more to be won for 2nd on...maybe even some negotiated appearance money for everyone.
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ID: 23127320
Sat, May 15, 2010, 00:51
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Most likely to win the million if they make final 3:ColbyJerriSandraParvatiRussellColbyJerriSandraParvatiRussell What show have you been watching. Colby is about as likely to win as Russell is. He's done nothing and the jury knows he's done nothing. Same with Jerri. The only way Colby or Jerri win is if they are in the finals with Russell. Parv or Sandra will sweep the finals if they make it their without the other one. If they both make it, Parv should take it but the jury will probably f it up and give Sandra the million.
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ID: 41750315
Sat, May 15, 2010, 05:43
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The show I am watching is the one with 4 heros for jury members and will vote for another hero if given the opportunity.
Two of the villains were on the jury pre-merge and will have another two villains who will be backstabbed by Parv and/or Russell.
Parv has already won and that will factor into the vote.
Russell has zero chance of winning because of his arrogant attitude.
IF Colby makes it to the finals it wont even be close.
The key word here is IF.
The remaining villains know he is a lock and will make sure he is voted out.
His only chance of making it would be to win the last two immunity challenges.
The odds that Colby makes it to the finals is only slightly better than Russell getting a single jury vote.
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Leader
ID: 04352469
Sun, May 16, 2010, 00:20
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Interesting that I hear that Colby may have been seriously tanking all challenges on purpose, whereby making himself look weak to the others and hoping to advance based upon his supposed weakness. Not sure if I buy into that theory but if Colby somehow, someway makes it to the finals, he wins.
But as is, I think the Villains will get rid of the last Hero and make it an all Villain Final Four. Having said that, Russell absolutely HAS to make the final three in order for the other ladies to have a chance because we know the jury will not reward His Bullyness. Meanwhile Parvati and Sandra have certainly seemed to bon pretty well of late and I think that spells doom for Jerri.
My guess:
1. SANDRA
2. Parvati
3. Russell
4. Jerri
5. Colby
I think it will be a very tight final score and I certainly don't think that Russell will get a single vote...nor should he. But I've been wrong before, so let's see.
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| | | 71 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Mon, May 17, 2010, 01:44
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SANDRA WINS SURVIVOR!!!! WOOHOO!!!!
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| | | 72 | beastiemiked
ID: 23127320
Mon, May 17, 2010, 02:03
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So gross. Damn bitter jurys.
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| | | 73 | weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, May 17, 2010, 02:35
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Bitter about what?
Not wanting to award someone like Russell who doesnt deserve to win any of their votes?
Russell is a complete moron.
Twice he has been in the finals and not a single vote.
Kudos to Parv and Sandra for understanding the game of Survivor and not trying to make up your own fantasy game.
Russell even admitted that he is a clueless moron by stating he would do nothing to change his game.
There is no doubt in my mind that if given the chance to play again Russell would make the same dumbass moves over and over again.
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Dude
ID: 01584348
Mon, May 17, 2010, 09:47
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Those self centered jury comments during the final tribal council always irritate me, especially in shows where everyone has played before and many have sat on the other side in prior seasons. Everyone who has went through this at least once should know that you have to play an underhanded game somewhere down the road, but everyone is always so pompus about it when they are on the soap box at final tribal.
I agree Russell's strategy is missing an important component, but going for runner up has it's rewards. First, by playing that way in Samoa and getting to the finals he won $100K as the runner up, won $100K in the viewer vote at the Samoa finale reunion show (closest runner up was Shambo), and pretty much guaranteed himself and invite to future all star shows based on his tactics. By going that way in the Heroes v Villains, he got $100K for being a finalist and another $100K for winning the viewer vote (runner up Rupert) and is sure to get consideration down the road for a future Survivor All-Star type show. I'm sure neither viewer favorite vote was close.
Props to Sandra for winning the social part of the game, but that approach more than others has the element of luck. If her alliance had prevailed on the Villains camp and she made it to the finals with Rob and someone else for example, she may have sufferred the same backlash by the jurists instead of benefitting by it this way. She said on the reunion show her strategy from the beginning was to get rid or Russell from day 1 but was unable to do it, when it turns out sitting next to Russell at the final tribal was the reason she won.
Season 21 and 22 are both going to be filmed in Nicaragua. Season 21 boasts 'all new contestants' and will air in the fall. Not sure what the back to back locations mean for season 22 but when they have done this before it was an all star season.
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ID: 23127320
Mon, May 17, 2010, 11:32
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Bitter about not giving Parvati the million. She was the much better player than Sandra. Sandra's biggest accomplishment was trying to get Russell voted out 3 times. How is that outplaying anyone?
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Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, May 17, 2010, 13:33
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I can come up with at least 200,000 reasons why Russell is not a moron. If he's a moron, there are 18 people who are bigger morons, including the vaunted Boston Rob, who he took down.
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Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, May 17, 2010, 13:45
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I loved Russell asking Rob how many times HE had won. That was GREAT.
The strat that wins now-a-days is 'coattailing'. Thats a lame and boring game. Period.
Coach's speech about made me puke. That guy is a sad joke. Self conceited blowhard...wait...isn't that Russell?
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ID: 351422416
Mon, May 17, 2010, 18:55
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I can come up with at least 200,000 reasons why Russell is not a moron.
I have told you a million times not to exagerate.
Lets have a little perspecive here.
I think Tom put it best last night when he said the game is 1/3 luck, 1/3 stategy, and 1/3 social.
On the social game Russell is a ZERO.
He holds the survivor record for most votes lost at Final TC.
17 opportunities to get a vote and he got NONE.
I think Russell was extremely lucky to get Tyson to switch his vote.
There was no reason for Tyson to be a dumbass and get himself voted out.
If Tyson sticks to the brilliant plan set out by Rob then Russell would have been in the running for dumbest move even when he gave his idol to Parvati and he ends up going home instead.
As Bond pointed out in post 61: "The power of a single vote in this game never ceases to amaze me."
That one vote of Tyson is the difference between us taking about Russell as one of the best strategist and being completely forgotten.
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ID: 54115522
Mon, May 17, 2010, 20:12
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BOOOOOOO
another great survivor, another winner i don't agree with.
they made a huge mistake bringing sandra instead of stickwoman and it cost them. sad to see but it was a long time coming.
this was parvati's season and it's a shame she didn't win. even russell admitted she should have won and not him.
how about survivor brings the jury to the reunion show and THEN they vote for the winner. they get to see the whole show on television, all the behind the scenes stuff, how much work and effort goes into the strategy and so forth.
enough of this "i'm going to vote for who pissed me off the least" or "i'll vote for someone who didn't get me voted out" garbage. people obviously don't think straight after they get voted out and after gaining a little perspective would make a more informed choice to who wins.
how many jury members in this or past seasons are truly happy in their vote? how many regret their vote and would change it?
ugh. the best season of survivor ever and a typical lame vote at the end.
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| | | 80 | tastethewaste
ID: 123182315
Mon, May 17, 2010, 21:37
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RE 77. i dont believe the strategy to win is coattailing nowadays on survivor (this strategy has been utilized since season 2 and rewarded). But when a bully plows through everyone using intimidation and insults its not going to score many votes and the person coattailing will be rewarded in that situation.
I think this seasons winner was unique. Sandra was not coattailing in fact. Maybe Jerri was. Sandra was against russell from the beginning and tried to make power plays but wasnt trusted for whatever reason. I think sandra read the situation perfectly. Tell the jury, hey, i didnt want this jerk here sitting next to me. I tried to get rid of him before we merged and after the merge but other people kept screwing it up. Thats what the jury full of egotistical heroes wanted to hear. Rupert i think spoke for all of them when he said i wish we listened to you. If they had, russell wouldnt have been in the finals and all this crying about how great russell played the game and people shouldnt take it so seriously wouldnt even be discussed.
I thought russell made some serious errors. I understand the tyson move, but it was made out of desperation, but i suppose i can give russell credit for persuading tyson enough so russells plan worked. But the ouster of boston rob i think came too early and the villians ended up going into the merge even and vulnerable. if russell took a step back and let boston rob lead until the merge and then backstabbed i think it wouldve been seen as a necessary move and a good sound move. The ouster of courtney instead of sandra was just god awful. Why parvati didnt step up to russell and convince her that courtney would be loyal is beyond me. why they thought sandra wouldnt try to flip makes no sense either. But i think russell underestimated sandra the whole way. He didnt have to do anything to get a free hidden immunity idol and he ended up giving it away to parvati and didnt have the foresight to see how he could have played the idol. He played a hidden immunity idol when he wasnt in trouble. I thought he got rid of the wrong alliance member as well. Danielle was a coattailer. I cant imagine the jury liked her and she wasnt as threatening or as smart as parvati, and of course i think he made the wrong decision in ousting jerri over sandra. How he didnt think sandra was a threat was beyond me but it just goes to show that sandra could read that jury better than russell.
As for parvati, i think she lost control of the game when russell booted her partner out. If she had made the move to oust russell i think the jury wouldve taken their hats off to her. She made the big move of saving sandra and jerri (a move i didnt agree with fully) but after that she just sort of went underground and was with russell with no compromise. think if at 5 when parvati won immunity if she just said to jerri and sandra, lets get rid of russell. lets do the girl alliance again. I think even if colby ends up making it to 3 parvati may still win.
just my 2 cents.
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| | | 81 | tastethewaste
ID: 123182315
Mon, May 17, 2010, 21:45
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oh and 3spleens, dont feel bad for parvati, she won fans vs favorites because the producers suddenly felt like changing the rules from final 3 to final 2 on a whim, getting cirie out and clearing her path to victory. she got her free ride once.
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ID: 1550160
Mon, May 17, 2010, 22:41
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My vote would have been to Parvati...I thought she played the best all around game this season.
Russell made a lot of bad decisions down the stretch. He had even less social game this time through.
Sandra...plays an excellent social game and did well on the jury tribal. People definitely connect with her.
Great season...
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| | | 83 | C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Mon, May 17, 2010, 23:55
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I liked this season pretty well. I knew as soon as Colby was gone Sandra had the best shot. I really didn't think Parvati would get as many votes as she did.
Russell is the guy you want sitting next to you. As long as Sandra made the final three with fellow villains I think she had it in the bag. I think Jerri would've been viewed as too coat-taily. That would have made for an interesting vote, though- Jerri, Parvati, or Sandra.
Sandra won this season like she won Pearl Islands. She kept her ear to the ground and did just enough to survive socially while everyone else scrambled around her.
I'm ready for a run of new blood. The Old Familiar Faces seasons get, well, old. Let's save the All-Star stuff for once every 10 seasons or so.
I'm also ready for some new twists- and just better hidden immunity idols- but I'm not sure what else they can really do.
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| | | 84 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Tue, May 18, 2010, 00:05
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Allowing the jury to vote anyway they want---for whatever reason--- is an issue I think the producers gladly allow and one I wholeheartedly support. What I find interesting to a certain degree is that it's hard for me to fathom that so many in the jury haven't "made up their mind", like Coach for example, but I can certainly see where the factions such as trust, loyalty, likeability, etc. come into play along with their wicked sisters of distrust, disloyalty, and dislikeability. Everybody is free to vote in accordance to their own values (or lack thereof) and for the most part, I'm ok with that.
Having said that, nobody in their right mind would ever consider voting FOR Russell if they had a chance. Why would they? He berated people, he bullyed whomever he could and apparently has never felt any remorse for playing the game the way he did.
If that's how he wants to play the game, fine. But he shouldn't expect people to throw him a ticker tape parade if he decided to treat people with the apparent contempt that I saw. Now, if he gets a chance to come back and compete again, I'd hope he'd bring some social skills with him because outside of that major character flaw, he is a superb player.
As much as we agree to disagree on who deserved what and so forth, the fact remains that these episodes are seriously edited---a fact we should never forget. If we only get to see 48 minutes of edited tape in a 168 hour week, there's absolutely no way we, the viewers, can make a snap judgment on who deserved to win or not. We don't know all that happened at the camps; we don't know all of what went down during the challenges; we don't know all of Jeff's queries at Tribal; we don't know what went on at Ponderosa......we just don't have enough information.
Likewise, I know the jury obviously doesn't have all the info either but at least they have more than any of us do.
Yet for all its inane moments, I'd leave Survivor just the way it is (except for the maddening 2 person or 3 person finale---will they please make up their mind one way or the other?)
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ID: 532592112
Tue, May 18, 2010, 12:45
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how many jury members in this or past seasons are truly happy in their vote? how many regret their vote and would change it?
interesting question, i kept thinking the same thing when watching the reunion show. Ignoring the fact that i thought wrong person one, it seemed to me that sandra is no better than russell it was just that people took him more serious than her. I think given the chance she would be just as big a jerk and it seem to really come through at the reunion.
The other thing that really struck me was Colby's comments about how he did not really enjoy him self and that most of that had to do with how limited they were in where they could go. I have gotten to feeling that as the show has progressed the show has turned into big brother on an island. For me anyways i miss the part of show where they showed the people exploring the island looking for food, fishing, or where they wore. maybe in future seasons they will go back to making them suffer more.
Finally a few comments on Russell, watching the show it felt like he had given up towards the end. Maybe he was burned out from being on the show so much or maybe he had realized early one that he could not win the million. His behavior was completely different between the two seasons. But for me i enjoyed the fact that he was honest and actually just told people what he thought of them. The scene where he goes off on Rubert was great because he was completely right. Here is a guy that talks about he is better than everyone and embraces the fact that he is hero, he is also the same guy who became popular because he stole everyone shoes, now he just whines alot.
I have to think that if Russell could change one thing I bet he would have liked to have spoke up for Parvarti saying she had not rode his coat tales. I think the idea that sandra won hurts him to his soul.
The one change i would like to see them make if i was producing the show is i would get rid of the two tribes to start with and just throw everyone together. then randomly split the tribe up for the challenges. there would never be a merge they would just stop doing team challenges at some point and go to individual challenges. It could make things interesting if you are still doing team challenges when on 6 people are left.
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Leader
ID: 04352469
Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 14:26
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86... I certainly hope that Jimmy Johnson will NOT be there. He's 67 years of age for heaven's sake. Nobody wants to see an old man on this show. Besides, what would happen to his infamous mane??? No amount of hairspray is going to help his cause against a Nicaragua summer!
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| | | 88 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 13:09
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Most of the spoiler sites are saying Johnson is a done deal and on Survivor 21.
They are done taping.
Also lots of rumors that Survivor 22 will hi-lite Russell and Boston Rob.
Russell's blog is saying No
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