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- Sustainer [04352469] Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 12:49
Anybody else excited about the premeire of Lost's final season? Can't believe it's been on the air since 2004 and finally....FINALLY!!!....we'll get answers to some of our most burning questions.
I doubt we'll get complete satisfaction with all of our queries but I suspect this season will go out with us wishing there was still a whole lot more. |
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Dude
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Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 02:23
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I am, although I do find it hilarious/disturbing that the show starts its final season on "Groundhog's Day".
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| | | 2 | boikin
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Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 17:44
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Great observation.
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| | | 3 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 31051423
Thu, Feb 04, 2010, 00:08
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No Lost theories yet?
I'll kick one off. What if Ben has been serving MIB all these years... just thinking he was serving Jacob. Maybe that's why Jacob never answered him and had just been "ignoring" him? Back when Keamy killed Alex, Ben goes into some room and seemingly summons the smoke monster... suggesting some sort of kinship with the MIB. Maybe Ben thought he was really summoning Jacob? Seems like MIB has the ability to just jump from dead person to dead person... like Christian, Claire, and now Locke. So Jacob had his hut back in the day, and had protected it with the ash... to keep MIB/smoke monster out? But when Ilana and her team find the hut, they see the ash has been broken... suggesting that MIB had gotten inside? So maybe whenever Ben was going there it was really MIB listening to him... MIB who called out for Locke to help (or pretended to be Jacob calling for help), etc. Then Ilana and co. burned it down because it no longer belonged to Jacob?
Just my rambling, sorry if all this obvious or nonsensical... just trying to spark some discussion.
Also, Jacob taken over Sayid's body now? That's a discussion for later though.
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| | | 4 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Feb 04, 2010, 09:32
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Also, Jacob taken over Sayid's body now? That's a discussion for later though.
my first thoughts on that one too. sounds pretty plausible that he would be talking to the wrong jacob the whole time. MIB? I know who you are referring to but what does it stand for?
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| | | 5 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 31051423
Thu, Feb 04, 2010, 10:52
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man in black
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| | | 6 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Feb 04, 2010, 11:43
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I guess that would make sense in retrospect why locke always wore black, nice foreshadowing.
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| | | 7 | Balrog
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ID: 02856618
Thu, Feb 04, 2010, 11:45
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Here's my crazy theory:
When Jacob touched the seven people (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, Sayid, and Locke) back in the real world, he put some of his essence or whatever into them. Maybe those seven need to be brought together in the temple. Remember, Richard told Locke they ALL had to go back. Including Aaron. Maybe Aaron is the receptacle for the parts of Jacob in the seven.
That would explain why Jacob wasn't particularly concerned with getting killed. Also explains the list/letter in the guitar case. Hurley was the last one he touched, so the letter may have been a list of people in which he made a deposit so to say.
I'm guessing upcoming episodes will deal with getting Sun and Locke's body to the temple, and getting Aaron to the island.
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ID: 31051423
Thu, Feb 04, 2010, 19:24
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Interesting Balrog... Jacob touched some pre-island (Kate, Sawyer, Jin, Sun... Jack?) and some post-island (Sayid and Hurley)... any significance to that? We might have already seen some distinctions... only Sayid and Hurley came in contact with Jacob in e1.
One thing that has been bugging me. Daniel is usually right about everything, as Miles told Dr. Chang... so why did Daniel want to detonate the bomb? Wouldn't it kill his mom in 1977 and ensure that he is never born? So he dies in the explosion on the island and never exists in the alternate timeline?
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| | | 9 | beastiemiked
ID: 23127320
Thu, Feb 04, 2010, 21:53
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I'm assuming he wanted the island to blowup to protect Charlotte from going back to the island. I'm assuming she escaped with the rest of Dharma.
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| | | 10 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 00:41
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Great, great season premiere!
When Locke turned out to not be Locke in last year's finale, I wondered exactly why the smoke monster - which we'd been previously told was the island's "security system" - would tell Ben to blindly follow a man who turned out to not be acting in the interests of the island (and/or Jacob, if you can separate the two). Well, now we know: Smokey ain't working for Jacob, but against him, and is made up of the Man in Black. Like so many "Lost" mysteries, the explanation raises up plenty of new questions - for starters, why Smokey would be willing to work with Ben in previous periods, when Ben was following the orders of Jacob - but we finally have something resembling a definitive answer of exactly what/who the monster is.
As much as I loved this episode, the one thing that really irked me was why did they allow Juliet to survive the atomic blast, only to kill her off again within minutes? I'm all for the romantic, sentimental nostalgic feelings and all but this was...well....overkill IMHO.
I have a lot more thoughts but I'll wait to see how you all think about what I've said so far.
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| | | 11 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 31051423
Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 00:50
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Yea I had an idea that the smoke monster and MIB were connected before e1... after they started showing Jacob touching and saving people, I figured there was no way he was connected with smokey. Jacob represented only good, while smokey killed people and was bad. Then of course MIB and smokey both being black... seemed to me like there was definitely a connection... but I just figured smokey did MIB's bidding.
I guess the only purpose of having Juliet alive was to tell them "it worked." Like in her dying state she somehow realized that she was still alive in the alternate timeline, and was able to convey it to our friends on the island? Then she died and went off to film more V.
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| | | 12 | C1-NRB
ID: 5913360
Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 01:37
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Finally had a chance to sit down and watch it tonight. I'm really looking forward to how everything ties up.
I think we'll see Claire at the temple because she just "wandered off" and left Aaron; they made it a point to recount that in the Primer.
I think Jacob may have been embodied in the polar bear.
I think MIB's "home" may be the temple- either that or the temple may be the portal that he takes to get home.
Jacob and MIB seem to have a sort of yin/yang thing working. I don't know if one can truly exist without the other, regardless of what MIB thinks.
Juliet didn't die in the explosion for the same reason no one else did; the explosion triggered a time jump. She died of her injuries from falling down the shaft and everything landing on top of her.
I like how it appears as though all the LA flight footage seems to have been filmed six years ago; the actors look like themselves from season one. It shows that the writers did/do have a vision as to where everything is headed if they put all that together back then.
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| | | 13 | Balrog
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ID: 02856618
Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 17:02
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Some guy made a side by side video of the two Oceanic flights. It's creepy-cool.
Linky
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| | | 14 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Sun, Feb 07, 2010, 00:01
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13....WOW!!! Not THAT was some seriously entertaining. Thanks Balrog!
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| | | 15 | RecycledSpinalFluid
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ID: 204401122
Sun, Feb 07, 2010, 00:21
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Interesting to see Jack was in the window seat in one and aisle seat in the other.
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| | | 16 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 23:17
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Crap! Was busy with work all Tuesday night, so didn't get to watch the show live...and the DVR didn't catch it for some reason. Glad ABC doesn't wait a week before releasing online!
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| | | 17 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 23:47
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Not to be a bearer of bad news RSF, but I think you might me just a tad disappointed with last night's episode once you see it. Just didn't have the same passion or drive as the season premiere nor did it answer any pivotal questions. Blah!
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| | | 18 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 11:06
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Uh...I need to watch it on the big screen before I can make any real comments, but that sure felt like a filler show from season 3 rather than one of the "Final 17".
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| | | 19 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 31051423
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 13:18
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Another radical thought... Jacob was killed by Ben, so Jacob is dead right? It almost seems like a cop out to say, despite being killed by Ben via MIB, Jacob can still live on (to talk to Hurley). Is it possible that after Jacob died, MIB was able to assume his form also? And MIB was the one that talked to Hurley? And MIB then assumed Sayid, and told Hurley to take Sayid to the temple just so he could get inside? Because MIB can't get inside otherwise? Surely he couldn't just walk in there as Claire or Christian? Maybe MIB had to get inside the temple because its the only way he can get off the island? We've already seen MIB assume the form of 2 people at the same time (right? Both Christian and Claire in the hut?). So it's conceivable that he's in both Sayid and Locke right now?
Also, Miles has been pretty quiet. Presumably, if Sayid did die Miles could 'hear' him? Maybe he hasn't heard anything, and so something is amiss with this Sayid?
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| | | 20 | Balrog
Dude
ID: 02856618
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 13:42
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That brings up a good point. Was that the "real" Claire we saw, or MIB in Claire-form? I assumed the real one, but now wazaaap_guy has me thinking.
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| | | 21 | Rendle
ID: 91341221
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 22:34
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Kate episodes are never any good. The good news is they got the Kate ep out of the way early.
This is something interesting I saw posted on Twitter:
The plane landed on 9/22/2004.
The date on the sonogram is 10/22/2004.
link
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| | | 22 | Rendle
ID: 91341221
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 23:01
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new link:
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| | | 23 | C1-NRB
ID: 22141311
Sat, Feb 13, 2010, 12:04
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I think that was the real Claire.
Current opinion around my house is that Jacob put a part of himself in each of the Oceanic 6 when he touched them off-island. He needed all six back on the island so when/if he died he could regenerate/reincarnate through them. In each encounter he had with them he physically touched them- he also physically touched Locke when after he fell out the window, though.
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| | | 24 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sat, Feb 13, 2010, 14:27
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Is that the Horcrux theory? Your idea is interesting. He touched Locke, and dead Locke was taken over by MIB. I wonder if then that doesn't work out to be Jacob's own "loophole".
I do agree that is the real (alive) Claire. I think they are infected like on X-Files with the "black oil". I don't think this is the same state that Sayid is in. I'm not really sure where I'd put Sayid at this point.
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| | | 25 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 31051423
Sat, Feb 13, 2010, 14:53
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I retract my previous thought... when Jacob encounters Hurley in the cab, he mentions something about Hurley's ability to see dead people being a blessing on the island... thus its perfectly natural that only Hurley could continue to see Jacob.
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| | | 26 | Rendle
ID: 91341221
Wed, Feb 17, 2010, 22:27
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Terry O'Quinn is a pretty good actor.
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| | | 27 | C1-NRB
ID: 351351722
Wed, Feb 17, 2010, 23:35
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Just finished last night's.
I noticed the names on the cave that weren't marked out were passengers that were still alive. And the numbers next to them were the numbers from the hatch/Hurley's lottery numbers. I didn't see Kate's name, though.
I was thinking that Sawyer seeing the names was the last scene, so I paused and slo-moed the DVR to try to read them. I forgot they always end with the LOST title, though.
I bet since Sawyer's name got marked out he'll be "marked out."
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| | | 28 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 00:23
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GORAM DVR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | 29 | Bond, James Bond
Sustainer
ID: 04352469
Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 00:48
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Loved, loved, loved this episode. However, for me, the weirdest part of the episode was the mention of Locke's father coming to the wedding. So how was Locke crippled in the alternate universe?? It makes my brain hurt to think about it. I wonder if we'll ever find out, though.
An interesting thing I noticed: the flash-sideways are happening in the same order that the flashbacks did in the first season. I wonder if that will continue, and if so...what will they do for the Boone/Shannon episode? Also, I wonder how they'll hand the Michael/Walt situation seeing as though we didn't ever see them in the season premiere on the alternate universe flight.
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| | | 30 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 09:14
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Also, I wonder how they'll hand the Michael/Walt situation seeing as though we didn't ever see them in the season premiere on the alternate universe flight.
I, too, have been wondering what happened to Michael, Walt, and Vincent. I hope they weren't "polar beared."
If they do pull out some footage of young Walt this will go down as the absolute best show made in the history of ever.
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Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 12:32
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Shitshitshit...I'm gonna bust out the VCR and record to tape. Stoopid thing didnt record again. ARRRG! At this pace I'm not going to see the season until the DVDs come out! :(
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| | | 32 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 13:00
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Speaking of recording... I deleted our's before I thought about frame-by-framing the wheel to see if they showed 108. Any speculation about who it might be? Aaron, maybe?
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| | | 33 | DMAN
ID: 521112412
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 13:12
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He's a pic of 108, link
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| | | 34 | Tree
ID: 23143812
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 13:49
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the list of candidates and their corresponding numbers, is pretty interesting.
intriguing are the names that aren't crossed out, plus the fact we don't know who 108 is...
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| | | 35 | Rendle
ID: 57137259
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 10:38
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Pretty cool, thanks for the link.
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| | | 36 | MBT
ID: 191142515
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 16:14
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The link was great. I'm wondering, why isn't Desmond a candidate? Also, what is Richard's story? So many questions, but they keep focusing on characters I really don't care about!
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ID: 401412422
Wed, Mar 24, 2010, 22:29
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Interesting episode.
Learned a lot about Richard, Jacob, and Mr. Evil.
So if Mr. Evil can't leave the island unless the "cork" is dead, why hasn't Mr. Evil as Locke left? If I was Mr. Evil as soon as Jacob was dead I'd be, "Later" and out of there. But since he didn't, it's probably because Jacob's replacement "cork" is there and he doesn't know who it is. That could explain why he isn't just killing all of them. So why isn't he trying to turn them all against each other so they all kill each other? Maybe he is and we can't see it yet. And where did that polar bear come from in Season 1?
So many questions still to be answered.
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| | | 38 | katietx
ID: 2224311
Wed, Mar 31, 2010, 02:04
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And Desmond reappears. Perhaps he is the "cork?"
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| | | 39 | katietx
ID: 2224311
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 09:54
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Wow...was that unreal? I'm blown away. Still wondering how they are going to tie it all together with the number of episodes remaining. But, I have an idea.
Did anyone else get the reference of "nuclear" instead of "hydrogen?" Interesting.
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ID: 532592112
Wed, Apr 07, 2010, 16:43
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What a great episode, then again when are desmond episodes not great? Hopefully they start to pull the characters back together at which point i feel the story will wrap up pretty quickly.
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| | | 41 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Tue, May 11, 2010, 22:59
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Another great episode of Lost. Finally, we get to see the origins of Jacob and his brother, how the Smoke Monster came into being and the identities of Season 1's "Adam and Eve". Nice.
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ID: 191142515
Wed, May 12, 2010, 15:26
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I still don't feel like I know what/who the Smoke Monster is, just where it came from. How did it get into the cave in the first place? How did Jacob's brother end up on that fallen tree after going into the cave? What was that stuff that Jacob and his mother drank when she said "now you're just like me"? More questions without answers.
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| | | 43 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, May 12, 2010, 15:34
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I still don't feel like I know what/who the Smoke Monster is, just where it came from.
the smoke monster is absolute evil. my personal belief is that it was "imprisoned" in the cave, a sort of "solitary confinement" on the island (which is a prison itself, to Smokie), and used the "light" to try and draw people in, because it would need a human body to escape from the cave. that human body eventually came, in the form of the man in black.
How did it get into the cave in the first place?
i don't know that that's important.
How did Jacob's brother end up on that fallen tree after going into the cave?
when Smokey emerged, he dropped the body. i believe we've seen that before in the show, where he picks people up, and drops them off.
What was that stuff that Jacob and his mother drank when she said "now you're just like me"?
why is that even important? i mean, heck, it could have just been ceremonial wine or something.
More questions without answers.
but not terribly important ones.
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ID: 532592112
Thu, May 13, 2010, 10:51
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The one question that came to my mind was who finished the putting the wheel into the light? I guess it doesn't really matter MIB could have just showed some later visitors what they needed to do.
I wonder if they will explain how Jacob gets off the island, does he just use the wheel in the well?
I feel the one down fall of the show was they presented too many questions and not enough answers but i guess that is how life is you really don't know everything.
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| | | 45 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Thu, May 13, 2010, 23:37
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44....Sadly it does indeed look like many questions will go unanswered. The producers knew 2-3 years ago exactly when Lost would end, so I was hopeful that by now the majority of our questions would be answered but I don't think there's anyway now for that to happen.
Season 6 for the most part has not been that enlightening to me. I have to say that I'm more than a little disappointed with how it's turning out but at the end of the day, it's just a television show.
Of course, I'm still angry that the great series John Doe bit the dust so early, so what do I know? LOL
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ID: 24501323
Fri, May 14, 2010, 00:50
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Re: the stuff they drank... I thought it had something to do with why they didn't seem to age. The mom didn't look too different throughout the episode, and the Jacob we are used to looks like the Jacob that took the drink. Jacob probably gave some of that stuff to Richard also.
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| | | 47 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Fri, May 14, 2010, 11:05
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Jacob probably gave some of that stuff to Richard also.
I think you're right. I seem to remember something like that.
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ID: 2224311
Mon, May 17, 2010, 15:53
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RE: Smoke monster. Remember that it can only inhabit a "dead" body. So when Jacob shoved his brother into the light, he was either dead or was killed in the process.
I, too, am hoping to see how Jacob gets off the island.
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Fri, May 21, 2010, 21:03
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ID: 544201619
Fri, May 21, 2010, 23:30
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Red is too large...Yellow is too small...and Brown is juuuust right.
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| | | 52 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sun, May 23, 2010, 01:28
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Sunday, May 23, 2010 is finally upon us---one of the saddest days ever in TV history. I hate to see Lost come to a close but I really believe that six seasons is plenty. My brain is already fried and scrambled enough as is.
Here's hoping that we'll get complete answers to all of the important questions we've had over the years.
To Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayid, Jin, Sun, Ben and all the rest of the stellar cast and crew: THANK YOU! I've been entertained beyond measure.
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ID: 2224311
Mon, May 24, 2010, 11:50
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Thanks Tree...but even "what does" matter doesn't answer all.
Ah well, Christian answered most of it for me.
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ID: 204401122
Mon, May 24, 2010, 12:06
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Only question I wanted to know was about WAAAAALT. Why was he special? I mean, we went through a full season of hearing Michael scream his name every 108 seconds, but was this ever explained?
Need to review the finale again tonight. Lots of unanswered questions, but I'm alright with that, don't need 'em all...except WAAAALT.
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ID: 2911103011
Mon, May 24, 2010, 12:30
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I, too, wondered where Michael and Waaalt were in all this. And Mr. Echo (sp?), too.
Sooo... they were all dead in this season's sideways timeline but didn't know until Desomond hooked them all up. Desmond is some sort of Deader-Death; the Death that lets you know, "Time's up. You really are dead," in Purgatory? It seems that way because he told Eloise he wasn't going to wake/take Daniel yet (or was it "this time"?)
I liked Sawyer giving one last nickname. He called Miles "Enos" when Miles called him from the concert. That made me laugh. He called him it again later when they were getting on the plane, but it seemed too out of context at that point, other than to make a point. Which was... what? A red herring to make us think that the sideways world was simultaneous/real even though it wasn't?
Actual exchange that took place in my house:
"That looks like the opening scene from 'Land of the Lost.' [singing] Locke Monster, Jack, and Desmond; on a routine expedition; met the greeeeatest earthquake ever known! Hiiigh on the rapids..."
"Stop it."
"Watch out for the Sleestack, Desmond."
"Stop."
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Dude
ID: 02856618
Mon, May 24, 2010, 12:33
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Another Walt question: Was the Walt that talked to Locke when he lay dying in the pit the real Walt, or Smokey? If it was Smokey, does that mean Walt was dead by then since Smokey can only appear as dead people?
My guess is the writers decided to change course and Walt fell by the wayside.
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Dude
ID: 02856618
Mon, May 24, 2010, 12:37
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RE: 56
My take is that in the Lost version of the afterlife, there is no time system. When you go to "Heaven" everybody you care about is already there whether or not they died before or after you did. Kind of a cool idea.
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ID: 248472317
Mon, May 24, 2010, 12:52
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Only question I wanted to know was about WAAAAALT. Why was he special? I mean, we went through a full season of hearing Michael scream his name every 108 seconds, but was this ever explained?
in the grand scheme of things, Walt wasn't that important.
To Michael - a father who had lost custody of his son and now had to keep him alive on a deserted island filled with hostile humans, wild animals, and otherworldly monsters - Will was the most important thing, and Michael's purpose was to get him off the island.
when he did that successfully, for all intents and purposes, Walt's story was over, and when we last saw him, he was attending school like any kid his age should be doing.
Sooo... they were all dead in this season's sideways timeline but didn't know until Desomond hooked them all up. Desmond is some sort of Deader-Death; the Death that lets you know, "Time's up. You really are dead," in Purgatory?
yes, that was purgatory. it also showed the brutality of Lost - life was miserable as $hit for these people, both before the island and on the island.
but in death, they had closure, happiness, and what they wanted the most.
When you go to "Heaven" everybody you care about is already there whether or not they died before or after you did.
actually, it was explained they were all dead. as Christian said to Jack (paraphrase here) "some went before you, some went after. but they all died."
there have been lots of good articles written about the finale and the series, and this is one of the best i've read...
in a nutshell, to me, this was the greatest television program in the history of TV. a broad, sweeping epic, filled with depth never seen before on television (and not likely to be seen again anytime soon), using incredible storytelling devices. this was TV's War & Peace.
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| | | 60 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, May 24, 2010, 13:07
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in the grand scheme of things, Walt wasn't that important.
You spend a full season hearing WAAAALT with the "he's a special boy" continually reinforced...YES it WAS important. As Balrog says, Darlton had to 'course correct' the storyline at somepoint, so they hack something the show WAS heavily invested in.
And don't get me going on the Hurley bird... ;)
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ID: 248472317
Mon, May 24, 2010, 13:57
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You spend a full season hearing WAAAALT with the "he's a special boy" continually reinforced...YES it WAS important.
to a dad with a son gone missing, it's important. but other than that, not so much. we had our Walt closure when we saw him in school.
and the hurley bird is high on the list of things that REALLY don't matter. lol
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Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, May 24, 2010, 14:01
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(therefore the wink...)
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| | | 63 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, May 24, 2010, 14:03
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And the great thing about Lost...I am right and you are right...in regards to the WAAAALT thing. You might be happy with a skipped over resolution, but others won't.
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Leader
ID: 181042723
Mon, May 24, 2010, 14:04
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ok forgive me if this sounds stupid, i really didnt watch the last two seasons....so the island was real life and most of them survived getting off the island? they didn't die in the plane crash that got them on the islands?
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| | | 65 | damoose7474
Leader
ID: 181042723
Mon, May 24, 2010, 14:07
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also who the hell were the others? and what was the dharma initative?
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| | | 66 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, May 24, 2010, 14:46
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I don't believe in much, but I do believe in duct tape.
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| | | 67 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Mon, May 24, 2010, 14:53
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moose - you really need to go back and watch it. you are asking for a LOT of explanation. lol.
the island was real life, and most of them DIED on that island, but not necessarily on the crash.
the off-island stuff this season was basically Purgatory, as the were waiting for the right time to truly pass into the next world, whatever that may be.
and yes, i believe in duct tape as well.
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Mon, May 24, 2010, 14:55
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what about the Qwan's child or Arron(was he at the church)?
I have more to say but i need to think for a bit. But basically my impression was that the island was real world and flash sideways was the real world. Basically when they set off the atom bomb it gave everyone a second chance at another life but for those in the church at the end but because of there special connection they got the chance to "live" in both lives. It was all kind of like a sliders episode...
Just relized my all time favorite tv shows don't happen in America....Dr. Who, Magnum PI, Northern Exposure, and now Lost(first show i did not find on cable reruns)....And maybe sienfield but New York or at least their New York might as well have been space.
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Mon, May 24, 2010, 15:01
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this is why I stopped watching the show, too many loose ends...but to each their own...
i was also super pissed at the end of the sopranos...
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Mon, May 24, 2010, 15:06
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Re:68-- last I checked, Alaska (Northern Exposure) and Hawaii (Magnum, PI) were still part of the country. :)
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Mon, May 24, 2010, 15:12
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also who the hell were the others?
people who had stumbled across the island over the years and been allowed to live there.
and what was the dharma initative?
more people that stumbled across the island its special powers, they set up camp there to investigate these powers. how they found the island or how to keep our smokie who knows not really important.
I show kind of threw in a lot of extra stuff probably because they were not sure what parts they were going to use and what parts they where not going to use. I am sure if they could go back they would have cleaned up the complete story line so it came together a little better and some lose ends would have been tied up better.
I don't believe in much, but I do believe in duct tape. great line from last night also did anyone watch PTI last week and notice stat boys notes had "not penny's boat" written on the back?
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Mon, May 24, 2010, 15:35
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Re:58
I've sort of kicked around the idea/concept of an "Immediate Afterlife" for a while. One in which at the point of a person's death they are with everyone else, ever. It wouldn't be a simultaneous "everyone dies" event, but one where it would seem, from an individual's perspective, that all life ceased at the same instant.
The finale touched on this with a world/experience constructed by "all of them," but probably just Jack, wherein everyone was there but weren't aware of where "there" was until Jack, the "guest of honor," showed up to move things along.
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Mon, May 24, 2010, 15:35
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This blog entry captures a lot of how I felt about the finale:
http://www.slate.com/id/2242745/entry/2254865/
From the article:
"I'm still attempting to sort everything out, but as best I can tell, the upshot of last night's episode was this: The alternate world we'd been watching intently for the past few months—looking for clues, sussing out meanings—took place entirely within some airy consciousness created collectively by the Lost characters after they'd died. So when Sayid snaps necks in the back of a restaurant, or Jack works out issues with his son, or Ben maneuvers to become principal of a high school, or Daniel Widmore (nee Faraday) plays a horrific prog-rock concerto … that was all a dream world. We were watching the neural twitchings of the dearly departed.
Fine, OK. Everyone likes a good Sixth Sense/Jacob's Ladder-style exploration of the restless meanderings of dead souls who've not yet let go. But how does this connect to the intricate plot we've been following for six long seasons? Ultimately, the sideways universe is a world completely apart from the saga of the island, and it illuminates nothing about the island's mythology. It's simply a place where people who've shared a meaningful experience—could be a band of plane crash survivors or could just be some folks who did Outward Bound together—can gather for a final, ethereal hurrah. Presumably, anyone who dies with some issues left to work out enters this dream world along with their friends and loved ones, living a shadow life until it's time to walk into the white light.
That spooky island that so much blood and treasure were spilled over—the one that holds the key to life and transfixed 20 million viewers each week at its peak? Oh, it's still out there. Don't trouble yourself about it. Just join us in this cheesily nondenominational church and let the good times roll."
If you're a writer/producer/actor/fan and through LOST want to lay claim to having watched or been a part of something really profound (or "changed the landscape of TV forever" or whatever overly proud, self-aggrandizing crap the producers, Sun et al. constantly spewed during the 2-hour lead-in), then you'd damned well better have a *point* to all of it, or at least a common thread beyond fantastic (in the most literal meaning of the word) storytelling. People watched the show with the idea that there was a purpose, and would be a payoff, to all the plot-drivers during these six seasons. Lord knows there were plenty of angles they could have taken in getting to last night's punctuation mark.
But it seems to me that the ending wanted to reveal that LOST was truly about peoples' interactions, friendship, and life and death, and NOT the mysteries of the island and the drama surrounding those mysteries. If that's true, then to me the punchline that "hey a lot of weird, inexplicable things happened during this, the story of how a group of people impacted each others' lives and eventually came to love one another during this magical ride" is a real bust.
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Mon, May 24, 2010, 15:36
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But basically my impression was that the island was real world and flash sideways was the real world.
Christian all but said everyone was dead in the flash-sideways.
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 11:56
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Christian all but said everyone was dead in the flash-sideways.
he was referring to other world or that was my take.
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 12:56
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and this still sums up to ME, the finale
This was a thoughtful, ambiguous, fascinating show that functioned at the highest of intellectual levels in a corporate age that’s like something out of “Infinite Jest.” At the same time, I don’t think the “Lost” formula is easily replicated. It’ll be years before another cult hit like this comes along. We’ve all just witnessed something special.
Christian all but said everyone was dead in the flash-sideways.
he was referring to other world or that was my take.
huh? he was very specific. he said everything that happened on the island was real.
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 13:59
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he was referring to other world or that was my take.
huh? he was very specific. he said everything that happened on the island was real.
see post 68
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 14:14
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Yeah I think Christian meant everyone in the church was dead. There's reason to believe that the church scene was a separate plane from the sideways and the island.
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 14:32
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There's reason to believe that the church scene was a separate plane from the sideways and the island.
i dont think so. everything that happened in the flash sideways led directly to the church. Jack's son, once he "realized", no longer existing is the perfect example.
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 16:58
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Christian said "There is no 'now' here." referring to the church. There was definitely a now in the sideways and on the island. Time passed in both places.
everything that happened in the flash sideways led directly to the church
There was no transition from the concert to the church, other than Kate, who Jack didn't know at the time. No one else at the concert talked about the church. Everything in the sideways led to the concert, not the church.
And, Jack's son's disappearance hints that the sideways and the church were different planes.
But we're gilding the lily here. Any way you look at it, it was great. Probably because there are so many ways you can look at it.
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 17:04
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Christian said "There is no 'now' here." referring to the church. There was definitely a now in the sideways and on the island.
exactly. because one in the church, they had accepted that it was time to move on. the flash sideways was a sort of purgatory, as their restless souls from their fairly miserable lives (and let's face facts - nearly every major adult character from flight 815 had a miserable life) finally had found solace.
There was no transition from the concert to the church, other than Kate, who Jack didn't know at the time. No one else at the concert talked about the church. Everything in the sideways led to the concert, not the church.
right - because at the concert, they were still in purgatory. they hadn't accepted that they would move on until they walked through the church door - that's why Ben opted not to move on - he wasn't ready yet.
And, Jack's son's disappearance hints that the sideways and the church were different planes.
hence, purgatory to the life beyond.
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Tue, May 25, 2010, 17:49
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The reason Christian said there was no here or now in the sideways flash was because that place was outside reality. Some people died much earlier, and some died much later as he said, but they all created that place together so that they could ascend together. The sideways flashes were not reality. The island was definitely reality and Christian said as much.
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Fri, May 28, 2010, 13:53
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Lost epilogue coming soon: linky.
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Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 23:12
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More reflections on this great series:
Lost, as I saw it, was a story about people making good or bad decisions. It was a story of how people are divided by faith oriented beliefs and scientific oriented beliefs. It was a story of how two opposing bodies of prinicples seek resolution and order between each other. We see this in the beginning of the series as Jack and John become more and more divided in how they wish to lead; or live life day by day in peace and achieving their goals. The Dharma Initiative and Jacob's followers were simply an extension of the debate between Jack and John. We saw how Jacob's followers could fall from grace and how the DI people fell from grace. In the end it wasn't about good people vs bad people. It was about good intentions (selflessness) vs bad intentions (selfish). Ultimately there needs to be a balance with the element of compassion and love for the survivors of this unrelenting world. Jacob and the MiB were the physical manifestations of what is in the capacity of man. They were essentially the same person: Jacob the light or good and the MiB the darkness or bad. They were both Jacob but the MiB sought answers and could not rely on faith in the woman who raised and took care of him (sure she murdered his birth mother, but in the end she had good intentions and it is impossible to see this from the MiB's perspective). Jacob on the otherhand knew that he couldn't get answers to those tough questions so he relied on what he saw before him and what he believed in his heart: that this woman though she killed my birth mother HAS taken care of me and yada yada. It was never easy for Jacob but he made a decision on faith and compassion. Some things are simply out of our sphere of comprehension.
Alas, in the end, Lost was never about science. It was a story about life and living life. We can't all be Daniel Faradays. We are more often Jack, John, Kate, Sawyer, Sayid, Hurley etc. We can't understand what Faraday talks about so how can we begin to make decisions within that realm? They had to have FAITH in him and do what he planned and HOPED that it worked. The MiB would stir the pot by tempting people with selfish promises. That's always how the devil gets us, right? No matter what we have intended to do... when we get power, position or pride we can be corrupted whether we are a man of science or a man of faith. Both Jack and Locke on their own could not achieve what was needed of them, but with Locke's unwavering faith he influenced Jack--the man of science, to operate with both. Jack buried his good intent and purpose into his heart and used his mind to achieve his goals, never allowing his own interests to obstruct him because that's just the way he was.
Lost was simply a fanastic story and it ended as appropriately. Bob Dylan says the highest form of art is inspiration. That is what Lost did. If everyone can identify themselves with Lost it can be no easily done than with Hurley. The passive viewer with goodness in his heart. The one character who would say, "Dude this is like that time in Star Wars when..." Hurley is one of us! The Island is the world! We are the next Jacobs! We make the rules! Maybe we can do it a little better than Jacob did. Let's not get caught up in judging Lost for not following up on this theory or that and applying it to a life situation. Lost was a one-in-a-lifetime series and even though I didn't get all the answers to my questions, I immensely enjoyed it year after year. It'll be missed!
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