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| Posted by: TaRhEElKiD
- [0134510] Wed, Apr 27, 2005, 00:56
Discussion has died down, but thought I would brag...
PokerStars Tournament #7275904, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
676 players
Total Prize Pool: $14675.00
Tournament started - 2005/04/26 - 18:30:00 (ET)
Dear $DW12$,
You finished the tournament in 4th place.
A $1,012.58 award has been credited to your Real Money account.
You earned 223.62 tournament leader points in this tournament.
Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.
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Now the bad news. Had QQ, went all in. Called by JJ and a J comes on the flop. Lost me an extra $340 but those are the breaks and I am happy with the payout.
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| | | 1 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Apr 30, 2005, 00:17
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LOL, check this hand out. This is my first hand at a $1/$2 table I just sat down out with $200...
PokerStars Game #1610085440: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2005/04/30 - 00:07:27 (ET)
Table 'Baize' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: 1234jock ($177.70 in chips)
Seat 2: KarlSpakler ($297.95 in chips)
Seat 3: $DW12$ ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: princed100 ($107.35 in chips)
Seat 5: corvette96 ($48.55 in chips)
Seat 6: jakd602 ($179.30 in chips)
Seat 7: boomer21 ($263.30 in chips)
Seat 8: El Guapo 22 ($20.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Rayhush ($210 in chips)
corvette96: posts small blind $1
jakd602: posts big blind $2
$DW12$: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to $DW12$ [Ah Ac]
boomer21: folds
El Guapo 22: folds
Rayhush: folds
1234jock: calls $2
KarlSpakler: folds
$DW12$: raises $8 to $10
princed100: folds
corvette96: folds
jakd602: folds
1234jock: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [8c 7s 3h]
1234jock: bets $8
$DW12$: raises $24 to $32
1234jock: calls $24
*** TURN *** [8c 7s 3h] [Th]
1234jock: checks
$DW12$: bets $58
1234jock: calls $58
*** RIVER *** [8c 7s 3h Th] [Td]
1234jock: bets $77.70 and is all-in
$DW12$: calls $77.70
*** SHOW DOWN ***
1234jock: shows [4c 7h] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
$DW12$: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
$DW12$ collected $355.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $358.40 | Rake $3
Board [8c 7s 3h Th Td]
Seat 1: 1234jock showed [4c 7h] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 2: KarlSpakler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: $DW12$ showed [Ah Ac] and won ($355.40) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 4: princed100 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: corvette96 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: jakd602 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: boomer21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: El Guapo 22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Rayhush folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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LOL! Thank you for the $155.40 on my first hand...nice way to greet me.
THK
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| | | 2 | beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Sat, Apr 30, 2005, 11:29
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Congrats, THK. Getting to the final table in big tournies like that is always fun.
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| | | 3 | tommyd
ID: 46928248
Mon, May 09, 2005, 09:06
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Hey THK what's your general strategy in these tourneys- tight is right early looking to double up, then loosen through the middle and hyper aggro before the bubble. I can't seem to do too well in the MTT. Sit-n-Go's I have done well so far, ITM in 5 out of 7 winning one, second and third twice in two others. I would like to get some of the bigger payouts for those large tourneys. Also what would your expected % be to finish ITM in these tourneys and final table? - 20% ITM /5% final table.
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| | | 4 | weykool
ID: 153342710
Mon, May 09, 2005, 17:55
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1234jock is a total moron.
How can he even call the $8 with those starting cards.
I guess that's what happens when people have more money than brains.
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| | | 5 | beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Mon, May 09, 2005, 21:21
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Currently sitting at a MTT tourney at Party. 32 of us left, sitting with an above average stack. 1st is $3744, username is beastiemiked if anyone wants to root me on.
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| | | 6 | beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Mon, May 09, 2005, 22:03
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Down to 2 tables. A little above average stack but the blinds are killer. Need to get lucky...
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| | | 7 | beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Mon, May 09, 2005, 22:35
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Ended up with 14th place and $132. The only hand I got at the last 2 tables was AK and after getting all the money in preflop I had to split it against A6 when the board 2 paired. Eventually decided to push in with a crap hand in the big blind knowing I was up against only 1 opponent. There wasn't much strategy with 3 tables left, either all in or fold for all but the top 3 or so with chips.
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| | | 8 | tommyd
ID: 46928248
Sat, May 14, 2005, 13:30
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4th in a MTT 2$ ,1700 people, Freezeout at Pokerstars. Was chip leader with about 13 people left. Could have waited and came second and doubled my money but decided to try and win. Anyways got $200 for my 2$ deposit I'm happy but the $700 for first would have been nicer.
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| | | 9 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, May 21, 2005, 14:18
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Hey THK what's your general strategy in these tourneys- tight is right early looking to double up, then loosen through the middle and hyper aggro before the bubble.
This seems backwards to me. When the BB is small ~50 and below I will play more starting hands that normal and then start to tighten up as it continues up. If you are on the bubble of making the $$$...you better not be playing much of anything.
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Found out 2 days ago PartyPoker has a thing called "action flops" aka "fairness factor". That alone means if you are a good playing you are losing your advantage, and I would certainly not recommend playing there if you still are!
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This summer I am living by myself with the only bills are food, gas, etc...nothing really. Well to support those needs, I am playing cards this summer at the fabulous Lucky Star Casino. $4/$8 limit hold em...tons of idiots...
Been 6 times already. 5 winning days, 1 losing and I am up about 400 bucks...
Yesterday...I am in the BB with J6
JJ6 flops...
SB bets $4, I call, another calls
J turns...I have quads
SB bets $8, I call, another calls
A river...perfect card
SB bets $8, I raise to $16, called by #3...
SB re-raises to 24, I re-raise to 32 and called my #3 and SB.
They both flip over AK and I show my quads! ;-) My first ever quads and they actually got some action...
THK
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| | | 10 | ukula
ID: 574222412
Tue, May 24, 2005, 13:24
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Anybody ever play a multi-table online tournament? I've played single table and they take about an hour. How long would a multi-table tourney with 1,000 people (100 tables) take?
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| | | 11 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, May 24, 2005, 14:20
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could take upwards of 10 hours.
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| | | 12 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Tue, May 24, 2005, 17:33
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Nah...
1,000 people will take around 6 hours if you make the final table..
THK
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| | | 13 | tommyd
ID: 5211262920
Tue, May 24, 2005, 19:04
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yeah about 5 1/2 to 6. Halve the field is gone in the first hour.
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| | | 14 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Tue, May 24, 2005, 19:56
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I was in a 200 player tourney that took about 3 hours.
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| | | 15 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Tue, May 24, 2005, 22:24
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Yea wiggs...its when it gets to under 300 or so that it slows down. The first 500+ fly out of the tournaments...
THK
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| | | 16 | beastiemiked
ID: 4310501610
Wed, May 25, 2005, 10:23
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Actually what really slows these tournies down is the bubble hand for hand. Having to wait on 10 other tables to finish a hand can take awhile.
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| | | 17 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Wed, May 25, 2005, 19:05
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Finished 18th in a $11 rebuy with $25k guarunteed last night. That is coupled with an 83rd finish the night before.
Both good for $$$
THK
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| | | 18 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Wed, May 25, 2005, 19:43
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Serious props THK for what seems to be a pretty decent run in these big tourneys. Seeing this thread has gotten my online poker juices back flowing so I've downloaded PS and PP onto my new computer.
BTW - what does this mean?
Found out 2 days ago PartyPoker has a thing called "action flops" aka "fairness factor". That alone means if you are a good playing you are losing your advantage, and I would certainly not recommend playing there if you still are!
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| | | 19 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Wed, May 25, 2005, 20:32
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The "Fairness factor" is how Party Poker explains their types of flops (action flops).
Meaning more people are going to catch more pieces of these hands, etc...
If you are a good player their "fairness factor" means you are losing your edge. These community cards give an edge to the poorer player...
I hate Party Poker since I first saw the layout, but this relization affirms the fact I will never play there again (unless they send me free $$$ again)...
THK
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| | | 20 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Wed, May 25, 2005, 20:34
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Species-
$11 Rebuy with $25k guarunteed tonight...let's do it!
It only cost me $21 last night and I won just about $400 (top prize will be around $10k each night)...
THK
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| | | 21 | FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Thu, May 26, 2005, 23:57
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Can someone explain how a Sit&Go works? I have just started playing online.
What does the $+$ represent.
Frick
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| | | 22 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Fri, May 27, 2005, 06:41
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the 1st $ goes into the prize pool the 2nd $ goes to the site. For Example if it was 30 + 3, 30 will be in the pool, the other 3 you will not see again.
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| | | 23 | beastiemiked
ID: 4310501610
Fri, May 27, 2005, 09:55
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The action flop is a myth. If it existed Party would've been shut down long ago. It holds the same value as the "cashout curse".
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| | | 24 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, May 27, 2005, 15:57
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bmd-
Ok, well then I hate PP for their layout still! PokerStars is the way to go, and where I win money so I won't be moving anytime soon...
THK
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| | | 25 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 18:02
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Won my first MTT last week...15+1 buy-in...around 220 players. Ended up getting ~$1000...nice little win. I am now thinking I should start playing more multi-table tournies...I have probably only played ~15 seriously (play freerolls pretty often but never take them seriously going all-in with almost any two) and I have made it to the final table in 3 MTTs and finished in the money in 2 more. 33% in the money would seem pretty good and 20% at the final table (where you really make money) seems excellent...I don't think there is anyway I could keep up these numbers but even if I could make a final table in ~1 in 20 I should be coming out way ahead. Problem is the amount of time that you need to invest in these tournies. The tourney I won took ~5 hours.
Was in an invite only freeroll where first place got WSOP entry/trip. 500 players...was not playing too seriously at first but 30 minutes in I had a 2 to 1 chip lead over anyone else in the tourney so I then started playing seriously...ended up finishing in 8th...got crippled when I got put all-in with my AQ vs AJ (big favorite but lost when he spiked a J on the river)...then got knocked out when I went all-in with 99 and the big stack called me with 98...thought I was in great shape there until he rivered a straight.
Still winning on the cash tables most nights though I think the general skill level is increasing...can't wait for the 2005 WSOP to get broadcast so we can get some new blood/players at the tables...last year I made much money the months following the WSOP broadcast.
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| | | 26 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 18:11
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Hey TRS - nice win! Rough beats though in that WSOP qualifier. Could you imagine winning a seat and on your 1st day getting seated against some of the tournament vets? Or making it to day 2 or 3 and getting on a TV table? Would've been sweeeeeet.
I've been back into cash games on PP this last week and have done well. Still plenty of idiots although I've had some luck as well. Will let it roll (hopefully) and am getting my first cash out check any day with my initial investment plus a little extra with $500 still in the kitty.
THK - I remember early on in your online poker days you were rubbing nickels together to play. But I've seen probably $1500 worth of tourney wins you've posted about, and I'm sure that's just the surface. How is it going overall, dude?
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| | | 27 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 4555311
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 19:31
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Species-
Very well. I am now only playing multi-table tournies online since I get my cash game fix at the local casino each day. About a week ago I cashed out for $1,300 (4 cashouts over $500 in the last year) leaving myself with $500 in my account to play with..
I used to think I hated playing rebuys, but those $11 rebuys with $25,000 guarunteed and my 4th place finish in the $5.50 rebuy have turned me into a believer! I like blinds that force action of course, but I hate when the blinds dictate your play and that is a problem you seldom run into in rebuys because the tournament is inflated with chips due to the many rebuys/addons. The $11 rebuy normally cost me $21 or $32 and I have an 8th, 9th, 18th and 2 in the money finishes in the tournament in the short time since I began playing it. When the blinds don't dictate your play I simply just feel I can beat that tournament easily... While I haven't had a top 5 finish or so to get some real nice $$$ I feel it is only a matter of time the way I have been cashing in these tournaments.
Also play $10+1's and $20+2's regular very often although my highest finish in one of these is 7th.
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| | | 28 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 4555311
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 19:34
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TRS-
Awful beats in that WSOP qualifier!!! Its awesome, they are having a WPT event in Oklahoma next year and the world is they are trying to pass it where 18+ can play since it is on Indian land...
Also:
Still winning on the cash tables most nights though I think the general skill level is increasing...can't wait for the 2005 WSOP to get broadcast so we can get some new blood/players at the tables...last year I made much money the months following the WSOP broadcast.
I didn't even think about that! Good point...hard to believe poker can increase in popularity anymore!!! When will it hit a plateau (judged by entrants in the WSOP)?
THK
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| | | 29 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21551319
Fri, Jun 03, 2005, 21:15
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I think Poker is still on the increase but has to be reaching saturation in the near future...but you never know...if it is another very exciting WSOP and ESPN has good coverage and a good program I am sure we will see another spike. Last year I made over half my yearly poker earnings from Sep-Nov. The difference in play was very noticable and there was a definite increase in the number of players.
I am on a little bit of a bad run the last week but not really playing poorly just some monster 2nd best hands and a few bad beats. Last 2 nights have lost with 3 sets when someone else flopped a higher set...that can be quite costly in NL. I can't complain though...I have only made one $50 deposit, my initial deposit. Have cashed out ~500x that.
It is frustrating that the skill level of the tables is increasing or maybe it is the fact that I generally only play the mid-high NL tables...still not as many bad players as there once were. There is nothing better than finding a terrible player at NL...really helps the EV...one truly terrible player can make the entire table +EV.
I would love to play in the WSOP...but would never pay to do it. At this point I do not think I would do very well...I just do not play enough tournaments and even though my limited tournament results say otherwise I do not think I am a very good tournament player. To be a great tournament player I think you really need the ability to accumulate chips without cards so you can absorb the bad beats and 2nd best hands that will occur. I do not think I have developed that type skill to play with the big boys... In tournaments I have done well in I have always built a big stack early and once I get there then I am definitely dangerous as I do understand how to play with a dominant stack.
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| | | 30 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jun 04, 2005, 05:44
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Just placed 47th in a 620 player, $30 MTT on PP. Damn small stack goes in against my big blind with A 3 suited, I have K5. I flop 2 pair but he hits the flush :(
Man, these big tourney's are a grind.
Got shafted earlier in the tourney. Player to my right goes all in with AK........I RAISE all in with QQ......player to my left call 2 all-ins with AJ? Flop has x J J and I'm down to 115 chips -- literally chip and a chair. Get pocket 9's, 3's and K's in a matter of 10 hands and was back up to 2800 chips!
Had fun.
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| | | 31 | biliruben
ID: 531202411
Tue, Jun 07, 2005, 23:32
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Cops hit fancy-pance hold 'em parlors in nyc.
Why do they bother?
It's much healthier mentally to play with actual flesh and blood humans than stare at a computer screen for hours, imho.
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| | | 32 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Wed, Jun 08, 2005, 01:33
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cool hand:
Aeioux wins $409.88 with a Royal Flush, Clubs
> mike2222 wins $75.50 with a Royal Flush, Clubs
> My05Typhoon wins $156.50 with a Royal Flush, Clubs
> socrstud013 wins $522.04 with a Royal Flush, Clubs
> judaz wins $790.90 with a Royal Flush, Clubs
> Gipper20 wins $790.90 with a Royal Flush, Clubs
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| | | 33 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Wed, Jun 08, 2005, 01:53
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... and the rake wins again. ;)
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| | | 34 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 03:35
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Just finished 13th in the $11Rebuy with 25k guarunteed which paid $447 and only cost me $31. Can't seem to make that damn final table though!
THK
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| | | 35 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Tue, Jun 14, 2005, 22:35
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Just finished 58th in a $5 rebuy and I am steaming....
This guy goes ALL IN...I call with AQs...he has 98os
70k pot (avg stack is 81k) and I have 9k left over
545 flop
3 turn
9 river
OUCH!
All in the next hand with KJs vs A8os
xxJ flop
x turn
A river
Done..
$41...yahoo damnit
THK
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| | | 36 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 00:44
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Ouch THK.
This was a nice hand for me:
***** Hand History for Game 2208924272 *****
3/6 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Jun 15 00:35:09 EDT 2005
Table Bad Beat Jackpot 1033857 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: mcjockis ( $40)
Seat 2: rwzjr22 ( $63.75)
Seat 3: Smallyea ( $150)
Seat 5: welder16 ( $138.25)
Seat 6: Sirius68 ( $48.11)
Seat 7: eegs47 ( $216.94)
Seat 8: becool4242 ( $355)
Seat 9: lebsters ( $86.12)
Seat 10: TILTn8tor ( $190.38)
Sirius68 posts small blind (1)
eegs47 posts big blind (3)
Smallyea posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sirius68 [ Ah, Ks ]
becool4242 folds.
welder16: yes sir i will
lebsters folds.
mcjockis: 7 2 offsuit?
TILTn8tor folds.
mcjockis folds.
welder16: yes
rwzjr22 calls (3)
Smallyea checks.
welder16 raises (6) to 6
Sirius68 calls (5)
mcjockis: well your a really good player then
welder16: ty
welder16: lol
eegs47 calls (3)
rwzjr22 calls (3)
Smallyea folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ac, As, Kd ]
Sirius68 checks.
mcjockis: remind me to ask you for advice on what hands to play
eegs47 checks.
rwzjr22 checks.
welder16 bets (3)
Sirius68 calls (3)
eegs47 raises (6) to 6
rwzjr22 folds.
welder16 calls (3)
Sirius68 raises (6) to 9
welder16: ok
eegs47 raises (6) to 12
welder16 calls (6)
Sirius68 calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8h ]
Sirius68 bets (6)
eegs47 raises (12) to 12
welder16 folds.
Sirius68 raises (12) to 18
eegs47 raises (12) to 24
Sirius68 calls (6)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9h ]
Sirius68 bets (6)
eegs47 calls (6)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $119.5 | Rake: $3 | Jackpot Contribution: $0.5
Board: [ Ac As Kd 8h 9h ]
mcjockis balance $40, didn't bet (folded)
rwzjr22 balance $57.75, lost $6 (folded)
Smallyea balance $147, lost $3 (folded)
JailQuo balance $150, sits out
welder16 balance $120.25, lost $18 (folded)
Sirius68 balance $119.61, bet $48, collected $119.5, net +$71.5 [ Ah Ks ] [ a full house, Aces full of kings -- Ah,Ac,As,Ks,Kd ]
eegs47 balance $168.94, lost $48 [ Qc Ad ] [ three of a kind, aces -- Ad,Ac,As,Kd,Qc ]
becool4242 balance $355, didn't bet (folded)
lebsters balance $86.12, didn't bet (folded)
TILTn8tor balance $190.38, didn't bet (folded)
......figured it was nice to let the button raise it for me and slowplayed the AK. Poor schlep to my left with AQ....ouch.
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| | | 37 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 01:08
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Ouch. Why are you not playing on Pokerstars?
Just busted from the $11 rebuy...
Dealt JJ
9x8 flops
I go all in after the flop and guy calls with AA...no way I could see that coming...
T turn which gives me some outs but nothing on the river.
The 2 tourneys didn't cost me anything except a pain in the ass tonight...
THK
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| | | 38 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 01:08
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When I said OUCH I meant for the guy with AQ...LOL
Great hand for you
THK
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| | | 39 | Jazz Dreamers
ID: 47515811
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 04:20
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I've got some fun hands to post. This one from January is the classic hitting your 1-outer on the river (I'm ATJ3):
***** Hand History for Game 1488619994 *****
$1/$2 Hold'em - Tuesday, January 25, 02:07:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 12610 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: HizayGizirlz ( $34.75 )
Seat 5: Mary7808 ( $55.25 )
Seat 6: jesterb4 ( $33.5 )
Seat 7: AllThatJazz3 ( $48.5 )
Seat 9: Denali12 ( $103.74 )
Seat 10: aggielife ( $55.5 )
Seat 1: fearsteve ( $49 )
Seat 8: nflcc ( $47 )
Seat 3: dagger83 ( $50 )
fearsteve posts small blind [$0.5].
dagger83 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AllThatJazz3 [ Ad Ac ]
HizayGizirlz folds.
Mary7808 calls [$1].
jesterb4 calls [$1].
AllThatJazz3 raises [$2].
nflcc calls [$2].
Denali12 calls [$2].
aggielife folds.
fearsteve folds.
dagger83 calls [$1].
Mary7808 calls [$1].
jesterb4 calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 5s, 9d ]
dagger83 checks.
Mary7808 checks.
jesterb4 checks.
AllThatJazz3 bets [$1].
nflcc calls [$1].
Denali12 calls [$1].
dagger83 calls [$1].
Mary7808 calls [$1].
jesterb4 calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
dagger83 checks.
Mary7808 checks.
jesterb4 checks.
AllThatJazz3 bets [$2].
nflcc calls [$2].
Denali12 calls [$2].
dagger83 raises [$4].
Mary7808 folds.
jesterb4 folds.
AllThatJazz3 calls [$2].
nflcc calls [$2].
Denali12 calls [$2].
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
dagger83 checks.
AllThatJazz3 bets [$2].
nflcc folds.
Denali12 raises [$4].
dagger83 raises [$6].
AllThatJazz3 raises [$6].
Denali12 calls [$4].
dagger83 calls [$2].
AllThatJazz3 shows [ Ad, Ac ] a full house, Aces full of fives.
Denali12 doesn't show [ Ts, Ks ] a flush, ace high.
dagger83 doesn't show [ Ah, 5h ] a full house, Fives full of aces.
AllThatJazz3 wins $57.5 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of fives.
This recent one is with the table down to 3 players, and we all pick up big hands:
***** Hand History for Game 2204692300 *****
$3/$6 Hold'em - Tuesday, June 14, 02:18:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 25532 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: MPM44111 ( $150 )
Seat 3: behnamnabet ( $148 )
Seat 4: AllThatJazz3 ( $123 )
Seat 7: iloveemmy111 ( $130.5 )
AllThatJazz3 posts small blind [$1].
>You have options at Table 15671 Table!.
iloveemmy111 is sitting out.
MPM44111 posts big blind [$3].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AllThatJazz3 [ Ad Ah ]
behnamnabet raises [$6].
iloveemmy111 has left the table.
AllThatJazz3 raises [$8].
>You have options at Table 15837 Table!.
>You have options at Table 15671 Table!.
MPM44111 calls [$6].
behnamnabet raises [$6].
AllThatJazz3 calls [$3].
MPM44111 calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 2h, 6c ]
>You have options at Table 15671 Table!.
AllThatJazz3 checks.
MPM44111 checks.
behnamnabet bets [$3].
AllThatJazz3 raises [$6].
MPM44111 calls [$6].
behnamnabet raises [$6].
AllThatJazz3 raises [$6].
MPM44111 calls [$6].
behnamnabet calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
AllThatJazz3 bets [$6].
MPM44111 calls [$6].
behnamnabet raises [$12].
AllThatJazz3 raises [$12].
MPM44111 calls [$12].
behnamnabet calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
AllThatJazz3 bets [$6].
MPM44111 calls [$6].
behnamnabet calls [$6].
AllThatJazz3 shows [ Ad, Ah ] a pair of aces.
MPM44111 doesn't show [ Qd, Qc ] a pair of queens.
behnamnabet shows [ As, Ac ] a pair of aces.
behnamnabet wins $71.5 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
AllThatJazz3 wins $71.5 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
wtf?
vnh
lol
And here's one final hand that really takes the cake:
***** Hand History for Game 2006545904 *****
$2/$4 Hold'em - Friday, May 06, 02:17:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 12409 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: smash85 ( $161.67 )
Seat 5: callingstn ( $141.5 )
Seat 8: lenny7111 ( $14 )
Seat 2: AllThatJazz3 ( $89.5 )
Seat 7: daruff12 ( $80.61 )
smash85 posts small blind [$1].
AllThatJazz3 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AllThatJazz3 [ 9s 3c ]
callingstn folds.
daruff12 folds.
lenny7111 calls [$2].
smash85 calls [$1].
AllThatJazz3 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, Kd, 8d ]
smash85 checks.
AllThatJazz3 checks.
lenny7111 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
smash85 checks.
AllThatJazz3 checks.
lenny7111 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
smash85 checks.
AllThatJazz3 checks.
lenny7111 checks.
smash85 shows [ 3h, 4s ] high card ace.
AllThatJazz3 shows [ 9s, 3c ] high card ace.
lenny7111 doesn't show [ 5c, 6c ] high card ace.
AllThatJazz3 wins $6 from the main pot with high card ace with nine kicker.
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| | | 40 | FRICK@Work
ID: 220211
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 10:37
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Is this a bad beat or a good call?
I'm playing with friends in a tournament set-up.
We started with 1000 in chips and I'm down to about 400. I was playing extremely tight and not getting any cards or good flops.
The blinds are 30-60 at this point, 4 players left.
I get dealt AA. First guy folds, the second smallest stack raises to 120, I am the small blind and go all in. The big blind calls and the original better calls.
Flop comes up 8h 2c Js. In my mind I'm set to triple up, no easy flushes, no straights. The first better goes all in, Big Blind calls.
We flip over the cards and I see KK from the original better and 22 from the caller.
The turn and River come up blank and 2 of us are knocked out.
If you had the 22 would you have made either of those calls?
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| | | 41 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 10:57
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I don't call preflop there but calling with trips after the flop is a pretty easy call.
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| | | 42 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 11:06
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Frick...in NL I will make almost any call with a pocket pair if the stacks are deep enough. Typically if the stacks are deep enough to support 10 to 1 on the betting I am in with any pair. In this case it was a marginal call with 22 after a raise and an all-in reraise. But worked for him...
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| | | 43 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Wed, Jun 15, 2005, 11:30
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I have put some nasty bad beats on people the last couple days...most times I am on the wrong end of these stories so it is nice to win a couple.
1-2NL I have 7-9 spades in the small blind. It is raised to $6 preflop and I go in along with 5 others. Flop comes 6s - 6h - kc. I check...someone bets $12, one caller and I am tilting a little from some previous hands so I say f-it and call and say lets see if I can improve. Turn is the 5s. Better bets $20. There is ~$85 in the pot so I make the call thinking maybe my flush draw might be good. River is the 8c...straight flush for me =). Better bets $25...I raise it to $100...he goes all-in for ~175 more...he shows quad 6s and I show my straight flush...he proceeds to cry for the next half hour. "one outer!?!" I guess the danger of the slow play came back to bite him...he was hoping I would catch a flush/FH problem is I did but it was no ordinary flush.
Last night in a 2-4NL game I have JJ...heavy preflop betting...around ~140 total in the pot preflop...I am in the dealer position. Flop comes all under and all hearts. Neither of my Js are hearts. Check-check I take a big stab at the pot and bet it 140...one player folds the other raises all-in for around 250 more. 250 call to me...I think about it and I know this is probably going to be a terrible call my only hope is he only has one heart and is trying to steal the pot with the draw...I make the call anyway. He has QQ with one being a heart. So I have a one outer...only the non-heart jack makes me a winner...I river it and smile. He says nothing as ~$950 slides to my seat.
Not often I am on the winning end of this type but sure feels good to get lucky once in awhile...on the other hand in a way it is kind of embarrassing to show what should have been a losing hand and then win the pot.
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| | | 44 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Fri, Jun 17, 2005, 21:57
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Anyone on partypoker.com tonight? Play some $25 NL hold'em?
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| | | 45 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 23554722
Fri, Jun 17, 2005, 22:30
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I just recently started playing on Pokerstars, and have been doing well so far in the .25/.50 NL ring games. I had a few general questions.
What do people generally do with the FPP? Buy into tourneys? and if so, which ones are good to use these FPPs on.
Also, with all the WSOP qualifiers going on, are there any that you have a better chance at qualifying at? All the 3 dollar satellites hardly seem worth it, as theres a different player all in on each hand, ready to rebuy for another 3 bucks.
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| | | 46 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Sat, Jun 18, 2005, 00:39
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wg-
FPP are a scare if you buy into tourneys with them IMO. I have about 2,500 right now and thought about entering a 500 FPP sat. to the 500k guarunteed tournament on Sunday until I did some math. In the end each FPP used to buy in would have been equivalent to $0.02
I think I am going to use mine for poker chips (eventually) or a fleece of something like that...
You can enter 27 man sat. to the 500k guarunteed for 500 FPP but I don't think you are getting as good of value if you just buy something, but that said...if you gain entry to the 500k and make some $$$ then you did well.
THK
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| | | 47 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Sun, Jun 19, 2005, 16:15
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$500,000 Guarunteed tournament starts in 16 minutes and I am one of the now 1980 (soon to be around 2,100) entered in the tournament. Wish me luck..
THK
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| | | 48 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 02:41
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Currently 2nd in chips in PokerStars tourney #9111473 ($20 buy-in). Winner takes home almost $4K. Hoping to make it to the final table-- playing super tight.
Chuck42181 is my name on there-- if anyone is on at this hour.
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| | | 49 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 02:46
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I'm now the chip leader by $14K... we're at the third break.
31 players left (started with 728).
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| | | 50 | KnicksFan
ID: 17531196
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 02:52
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good luck!
THK how did the tourney go?
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| | | 51 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 02:52
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2 out of 28; chip leader is directly to my left.
(I realize this will be real boring to read in the morning, but I need to keep myself occupied between hands... :)
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| | | 52 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 02:57
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currently 1st out of 23 w/ 105K in chips.
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| | | 53 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 03:08
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3rd out of 18... up to 110K in chips.
Guaranteed $160 for 3+ hours of work.
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| | | 54 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 03:10
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ouch... just had 10's lose to AQ... down to 13th place.
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| | | 55 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 03:21
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Just doubled up w/ A10 vs. KQ.
Up to 8th w/ 70K in chips. 13 left, w/ a couple on the ropes.
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| | | 56 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 03:26
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pocket 7's lose to pocket 8's. I'm on the respirator.
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| | | 57 | Chuck
ID: 1751412
Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 03:37
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KJ loses to KQ and I'm done. It was a good run. If I win that race from before (AQ v. 10's), I'm a dominant chip leader. Oh well.
I guess if I wanted just to move up in the money, I play nothing until the final table; I could have coasted in. But I was playing to win, and that means you have to race and win. I guess I probably should have gotten there and let things fall out, but that would limit any chance I had to win it all.
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| | | 58 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Thu, Jun 23, 2005, 11:44
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Chuck...I do not think your last statement about having to race to win is necessarily true...personally when I have gotten to the end game of tournaments I have found patience and stealing blinds when possible goes a long way. If you get short stacked and the blinds are prohibitive then yes you have no other choice but to get in these situations.
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| | | 59 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Thu, Jun 23, 2005, 11:53
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Poker has been very fun the past few weeks...have been on my best run of cards ever. I am on a 16 session winning streak with some monsters sessions mixed in there. Some of it has been I have been getting great cards but some if it is I feel like I am playing better than ever and have made a few great plays and a few great folds. Feel like I have went up a level in my play. Have a few new strategies that are really paying off.
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| | | 60 | KnicksFan
ID: 17531196
Fri, Jun 24, 2005, 18:15
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Care to share some strategy TRS?
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| | | 61 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sun, Jun 26, 2005, 03:25
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strategy...only bluff people who can lay down a hand...when you have good cards play aggressive...make less calls and more raises...pay attention to the other players...semi-bluff.
If you want any specific tips for a certain situation, just post the question.
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| | | 62 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 18:22
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Nice hand for me in Vegas last night.
10 person table $1/$2/No Limit w/ $100-$200 buy in.
I am in #2 seat in for BB of $2 with about $425 in front of me.
#7 seat raises pre-flop to $10. 2 callers and I have J-9s and decided to play a loose hand so i call too. $43 in pot. Flop comes x-Q-10 (off suits to me). Bets are check, check [me trying to get the freebie] and #7 seat bets $20. 1 caller + me deciding to pay $20 to see 4th street. 4th street comes K --- so I have 9-K straight (but there is a bigger potential straight on board). Bets go check. i bet $50, #7 seat raises me to $100. I push all in (So I have committed about $425 or so. #7 seat has me covered and after about 3 minutes, he calls. He flips KK and I flip the straight. River comes 4.
Picked up a nice $900 pot ($475 profit). I was a bit worried that he filled the 10-A straight. I did NOT want him to call me.
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| | | 63 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Wed, Jun 29, 2005, 19:08
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TRS-
Play in the $500k guarunteed this weekend with me!
THK
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| | | 64 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 02:25
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Tar...i don't play on party
RFS...nice hand j9s is my favorite mediocre starting hand...I always play it and have won some big pots with it...
=( had a 20 session winning streak coming into tonight...looks like it is over...playing for 30 more minutes. Will take a big run of cards for me to get back tonight.
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| | | 65 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 02:45
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oh well...made it most of the way back which is almost like a win considering where I was at one point...
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| | | 66 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 04:34
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TRS-
That is convienent because I don't play on party either! ;-) Where do you play (I know not PokerStars either because you would know the 500k I am talking about)? That said...I am talking about PokerStars (NOT PARTY; I HATE PARTY!). ;-)
THK
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| | | 67 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 10:40
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I play on the prima network...
Only other site I have played is Paradise...
If I switched sites I would probably give Stars a try...just have never had a reason to switch.
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| | | 68 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 19:06
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Have you guys seen this website Free Fifty Bucks?
They'll give you a $50 bankroll just for being a brand new member of Pokerstars (or maybe it's party poker, i forget). It's not like the typical sign up bonus that the poker sites offer, this is basically allowing you to start an account without having to put any of your own money in. I haven't done it because I'm skeptical of their privacy policy. To sign up you have to give them your address and phone number, and they say they only give that information to the poker site. However, what I suspect is that the poker site will then take that information and sell it to a ton of junkmailers and spammers. Anyway, it appears to be a legit offer, so as long as you don't worry about getting junk mail, I think it's probably worth a go. If anyone chooses to sign up, let me know if it went smoothly because I would like to try.
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| | | 69 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 23:07
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KnicksFan...How they make their money is the poker site sends them a percentage of the rake you generate. There hope is that you are a good enough player that you will continue to play on the site and generate a lot of money for them. If you are a good enough player you can sign up with other affiliates that instead of paying you $50 you will get a % of your rake back. If you play regularly the rake can really add up and you can make back a few hundred a month in rake rebates.
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| | | 70 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Thu, Jun 30, 2005, 23:35
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If it is either Party Poker or PokerStars I would feel safe if I were you... Those are two top end and respected poker sites really...
PartyPoker once sent me $50 free dollars and a hat just for being a member on their site...
I play on PokerStars now and I love their site...
THK
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| | | 71 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Sat, Jul 02, 2005, 07:29
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Almost too good to be true.
$1/$2/NL with $100-$200 buy in. I'm got the most chips on th table, about $600.00
I'm dealt 9-J suited again (diamonds)-- see post #62.
bets preflop are $7/$7/$7/$7/$7 -> 5 in the hand and I am on the button.
Flop comes 4-6-K diamonds. first to act bets $20. Next 2 guys fold, next guy calls $20.00. My diamond flush is small so i don't want to lose it to the A or Q of diamonds, so I bet $200.00 to try to take down the pot.
1 caller all in for about $150.00. Next guy calls my $200.00 and raises me back all-in for another $158.00. I have to call. So, I do.
first guy has Ace-D draw, but that's NOT even the nut draw. The guy who raised me has made his flush too, but with 5-7 diamonds, so he is drawing for the straight flush.
So, runner, runner off suit and I win about $600.00 profit.
Now, here's the really amazing part. The guy i beat is the same guy in post #62 from a few nights ago.
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| | | 72 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Sun, Jul 03, 2005, 23:35
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In an $11 rebuy with $25k Guarunteed prize pool ($48,950 by the end) with a top prize of a little over $11,000.
Well I just took a SICK and stupid beat to begin the 2nd hour...
77 raise preflop to 600 (bb is 150)...called by 1
A87 flops
I bet the pot....called
A turn...I bet 1.5 the pot...called
A river...he checks, I check...
He has 89
SIIIIICK! I bet it the whole way too...
Oh well...I got it back a few hands later and busted him. I am 700 chips above avg with a very long way to go.
THK
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| | | 73 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Mon, Jul 04, 2005, 01:02
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WOW!!!!
KK...get bets 2,400...next guy goes ALL IN...I CALL for my ALL IN...guy that first bet folds
567 flops
8 turn
9 river
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! That crap pisses me off so badly in these things.
THK
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| | | 74 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Mon, Jul 04, 2005, 01:43
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First hand after the 3rd break I get QQ in the SB.
Folds to the button and he moves all in with AT...I call...
A98 flops and I had 3k left...all done when I went all in with QJ 2 hands later.
9 places outside the $$$...lol, oh well.
That KK vs AK and the board straight was my demise probably.
THK
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| | | 75 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Tue, Jul 05, 2005, 19:47
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I just realized I linked to the wrong site in post 68. It's Free Fifty Dollars
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| | | 76 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 5555582
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 00:33
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Looks like I am SOL because I already have an account there and they are looking to attract new players. KF- Don't fear a scam by PartyPoker, they are one of the biggest names in online gaming (although I hate them and prefer PokerStars).
THK
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| | | 77 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Wed, Jul 06, 2005, 00:48
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I was all set to go through with the promotion, but of course there was a snag -- they're not crediting accounts until the WSOP is over because the guys who run the site are in Vegas. Oh well, I can wait a couple weeks.
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| | | 78 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 23:35
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I've been on fire playing with friends this past week, won all 4 games in the past week. Got about $230.
Finally signed up for Pokerstars. Catch a full house on my very first hand :)
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| | | 79 | louky
ID: 550511210
Sun, Jul 10, 2005, 23:52
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Welcome aboard J, playing in a $2 NL holdem tourny on Poker Stars right now.
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| | | 80 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 09:12
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I just started last night with a .50/1.00 table with just $20 to start out with.
Got the full house on the first hand, and basically tripled up right from the start.
Its amazing how fast you can lose it though. I had pocket kings, some guy goes all in pre-flop, I call, his pocket tens become trip tens and just like that I was down to $5.
And that was about it for me. (For now) I put $50 in so down to $30 now, hopefully I can make back some of that tonight :)
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| | | 81 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 17:47
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Read (and re-reading) Sklansky and Malmuth - ...advanced players and just picked up Sklansky's basic Hold 'em text to (hopefully) fill in some probability gaps.
I was hoping to grab his Theory of Poker instead, but B&N didn't have it. Will order it from Amazon. I am trying to memorize many of their rules of thumb to maximize odds, but I need the math theory to make it easier for me. Understanding works better than memorizing for me.
I am starting to feel like I consistently make money simply playing tight/aggressive in my local $3-6 limit games. There are a handful of expert players, but for the most part the tables are passive/loose, and enough tourists and "gamblers" to make up for occasionally getting the short-end from the very good players who are always there.
I can see where you could make a fair chunk of change on-line, but that just seems like not my idea of fun. I could find myself wasting way too much time on it, if I started. There are so many local houses around me that it doesn't seem necessary to go that route to up my experience level.
I highly recommend Hold 'em for Advanced Players for anyone not apt to be sitting across from me. ;)
I really can't believe I was foolish enough to play even a few hours without having read it. It's like trying to play Small World without discovering Guru's site, x100.
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| | | 83 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:04
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Bili...I have read the Small Stakes for Advanced Players about 5 times now. It's definitely key to destroying low limit hold em (5-10 and below). I only play for real money in brick-and-mortars in the 2-4 or 3-6 range. Before reading it, I had a streak of 6 straight winning sessions (+$500 or so), followed by a horrible losing skid where I ended up down a couple hundred overall. At that point, my low-limit poker strategy came from this terrible website: Low Limit Hold Em which teaches you to play very passive and sorta tight.
Anyway, in December I got the Sklansky Low Limit book, and since then, I'm up about $1000 in 6 sessions of mostly 2-4(my sessions are typically 12 hours long). Only one of the sessions was a losing one, and in that session I was not following the Sklansky teachings closely enough.
I had reservations before reading it because in the forward, Sklansky and Malmuth basically say that they never play low-limit hold em, so they got a third guy to help them out. The third guy's low limit experience was some 5-10 hold em a long time ago. Regardless, the stuff they teach works.
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Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:12
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I'm re-reading Theory of Poker right now. I think it's the best poker book ever written, hands down. I think I'm getting even more out of it this time now that I've been playing a lot recently.
I've heard a lot of good things about Harrington's books as well - anyone have a review?
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| | | 85 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:34
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I just ordered both Theory of Poker and Miller book. Hopefully if I can absorb all 4 of these books, I should be will armed.
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Leader
ID: 589301110
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:46
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The small stakes book is written by some geek from Redmond.
I'm curious how different it is than what I have read in "...Advanced Players."
I suppose some of the bluff and semi-bluffs don't work as well in low-limit games, and at least in my limited experience plays like blind-stealing don't either. Perhaps he's tweaked Slantksy's theories to take into account the even more loose/passive nature of low-limit.
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| | | 87 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 19:53
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Small Stakes Hold'em is gold. It teaches a tight-agressive style that plays incredibly well in limit games. I'm a pretty so-so NL player (I have a small profit after quite a few hours of NL multi-tabling) but after reading Miller's book I've started making quite a bit in the low limit games.
One thing I'd recommend against though is the Pokerstars limit tables over .50$/1.00$. Very few fish and mostly Sklanksy and Co. readers, so the profit ratio is far lower. Partypoker's tables are probably the most loose.
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Leader
ID: 049346417
Mon, Jul 11, 2005, 20:04
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its amazing how fast $50 can disappear!!!!! Not even 24 hours :(
Pocket sixes, became trip sixes, I slow-played em, and dude caught a straight :(
I'm done for a while...well, payday is friday :)
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| | | 89 | tommyd
ID: 46928248
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 11:09
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$50 at the .50/1$ tables is a very small bank roll. I'd recommend if you had $50 to play the 5 + .5 SitnGo's on Stars. With any kind of poker sense at all you should be able to get ITM around 40-50% of the time if not higher.Built my bank roll from 85 to around a 1000 in a couple of months. Now starting to hit up the bonuses on other sites.Some are very easy to get but if you're not into that then build up your roll through SNG's.
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| | | 90 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Jul 12, 2005, 19:24
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I agree, the small Sit In Go's on Pstars is how I started off originally. I got 50$ for my play money chips (before Ebay stopped letting you sell them) and after messing around with micro limit ring games for a month or two, found the Sit in Go tab. Definitely rewards a tight/agressive style, and I turned my 50$ into a few hundred in a couple weeks.
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| | | 91 | Hans Gruber
ID: 05131515
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 09:58
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I first started playing poker this past December, and my initial deposit on pokerstars was $50. If you just read a few books, and check out some message boards online, you'd be surprised how successful you can be at the microlimit cash games. I played .5/.10 and .10/.25 NL and built my $50 up to about $500 in a few months. Eventually, I graduated to .50/1 and occasonally 1/2, built it up to $1500, took an awful beat and then cashed out $1350.
The point is, you can make some decent cash playing the really low stakes NL tables. I've gotten back into it in the last month or so, and I plan on only playing within my bankroll from here on out, which I wasn't doing before. I started this time with $90, and now I have $700, strictly playing .10/.25 NL on pokerstars. If you're going to become a serious player, you should at least have 25-30 buy-ins in your bankroll. That way, if you have a bad run of luck, it won't phase you, and you also won't play scared. You have to be willing to stick your entire stack in there when necessary and not be afraid to lose it. So, even though I've played some 1/2 in the past, I won't even move up to .25/.50 until I have close to $1000. It'sjust so important to not play above your bankroll, or else you're going to play too scared.
J- Some advice...never slowplay anything in hold em...except if you flop a full house or something like that. If you slowplay a set, quite often when you let other hands catch up to you, they will beat you (i.e. flushes/straights). Bet them strong, and if everyone folds, no big deal, you weren't going to win a big pot anyways. If you bet strong, and someone has top pair, you'll often take their stack.
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| | | 92 | tommyd
ID: 46928248
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 10:43
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Good advice Hans about not playing outside of your bank roll. So true, you cannot be scared to move all in when you have the best hand. If someone calls and sucks out thats all you can do. Say a set vs a flush draw, you will win almost %70 of the time after the flop, As is terms of slowplaying, yeah it doesn't pay off a lot of times and if you bet the set and someone calls you can put them on a draw or top pair top kicker, well what I'm saying is you get some idea of what they have rather then checking and not knowing at all.At the microlimits too people will call with a lot of hands so you have to make them pay.
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| | | 93 | Hans Gruber
ID: 05131515
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 10:48
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Yep, the microlimits are beautiful. People play any ace, chase any draw, and call preflop raises with garbage hands. Obviously it's frustrating when they suck out on you, or when their 2-5 offsuit outflops your aces, but over the long run, it's such a profitable game. You wouldn't think you could make much when the BB is only 25 cents, but I'm probably averaging $10/hour (playing 5 tables at a time), and I'm nowhere close to being great at poker.
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| | | 94 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 11:02
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Thanks for the tips! I thought .50/1.00 was a good place to start, I was wrong!!! I'll probably put another $50 in this weekend and play at the real cheap tables to try and make some cash.
I love slow playing when I'm playing against actual people, so i get to see their face when they call me with just a top pair, or two pair. But every once in a while it does backfire. You dont get the same visual affect on the internet, so I am probably done slow playing anything there.
I also dont like how when you go all in you have to wait til after the river card to see what you're up against. I wanna know what I have to be rooting for!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | 95 | tommyd
ID: 46928248
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 13:25
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That's on Pokerstars and only in ring games, other sites let you see right away. A new one, can't remember which one actually gives you the odds of winning on screen, just like TV.
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| | | 97 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 23554722
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 16:06
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On pokerroom, in tourneys only, they display the percentages when the cards are flipped over during an all in. Of course, it seems like the guy with the lower number always ends up winning on the river, but thats the case on most online sites i guess.
I've built up a decent amount of FPP's on pokerstars, and i was thinking that using them on a book might be a good investment. Considering either "Theory of Poker" or "Tournament Poker for Advanced Players."
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| | | 98 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 16:11
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thats what I've been hearing Pokerstars = Riverstars!!!
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| | | 99 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 23554722
Wed, Jul 13, 2005, 17:03
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and they call pokerroom flushroom.
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| | | 100 | louky
ID: 550511210
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 01:13
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Dang just blew out 11th in a Multi Table $10 PL holdem tourney. Started the hand with about 35K. Limped in under the gun with 44. One raise and I call. Flop is 2C 3s 5c. I bet out he calls. Turn is 6d, I go all in he calls. He has Ac 10C, river was of course a club. That hand would have moved me to 2nd or 3rd in chips, kinda sucked.
Wazaaap, I use the FFP's to qualify for the 500K gauranteed on Sundays, and then cash the $215.00 in tourney dollars to enter Sit n Goes or regular multi's. The last two weeks, I've parlayed the tourney bucks into about the same in real money. My FFP's seem to hover around 5000, it's only 400 for the qualifier, and they take the top 9. Usually have about 150ish in when I've played
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| | | 101 | beastiemiked
ID: 4310501610
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 09:19
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louky, were you the one that primarily played SNG's and 2-3 table multi tournies? I remember you were having decent success and I was wondering if you have kept it going.
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| | | 102 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 09:29
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Can someone give me info about the "guaranteed" tables? I play at Bodog, and something will come up saying something along the lines of:
"15 minutes to sign up. For $52 you can enter a $5000 guaranteed tourney."
What does thsi mean? Is it a MTT? How many people usually sign up and how long does it usually take? Do I need to win a qualifier to get a bid into the $5000 guaranteed tourney? Any info is much appreciated.
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| | | 103 | louky
ID: 550511210
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 10:13
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bmd, I do play alot of those along with multi's. Having decent success with the SNG's, and have had some 4 figure payouts in the multi's. I also play the small limit games to bankroll the entries. I just play real tight and feast on the bad players.
leggestand, I don't play on that site, but on PokerStars, the gauranteed tourneys are just that. In your example the site would just need 100 players for 5k with a 2 dollar rake. PS uses gauranteed tourneys in conjunction with rebuys a lot. They will have a $10 rebuy with 25K gauranteed. The 1st time I played they were way short initialy, but after the rebuy and the add on periods were over, the pot was actualy over 30K.
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| | | 104 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Thu, Jul 14, 2005, 11:27
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leggestand...the guarantee tournaments is simply that the site is saying the minimum prize payout will be at least $5000 no matter hom many entries in the tourney. They are multi-table tourneys...can be rebuys or freezeouts. So if it is a $5000 guarantee and a $10 +1 buy-in freezeout and lets say only 200 people enter that would only normally be $2000 in prize money so the site is having to kick in the extra 3k to make the 5k guarantee. Typically from what I have seen there are enough people entered that the guarantee does not matter because the buyins are going over the guarantee. In that case the prize pool does go over the guarantee and the prize payout is increased...but if you watch once in awhile there will be tournies where you are getting a nice bonus on your money because the buy-ins do not cover the guarantee. Heard recently on Ultimate Bet they been having some software problems and they got burned on a couple of guarantee tournaments where only a few people were able to enter and the site had to payout big guarantees with only a few people entered.
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| | | 105 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 00:57
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This was a sweet hand tonight in $5 R + A tourney. Although sadly the guy I beat here just cracked my pocket 9's with A 10 for 4000 chips. Sitting with 14k in chips...11.5k average.....371 left out of 1222
***** Hand History for Game 2365884804 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 13941069) - Fri Jul 15 00:43:52 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table R+A(393285) Table 22 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Gooarrilla (16957)
Seat 2: zeusjr1 (9150)
Seat 3: HollyFort (690)
Seat 4: aznbomb (5030)
Seat 5: TheUSA (12470)
Seat 6: Sirius68 (8450)
Seat 7: DewLayGoBaBa (10196)
Seat 8: kota1958 (23868)
Seat 9: dunlap246 (1640)
Seat 10: Buscemi04 (18732)
kota1958 posts small blind (150)
dunlap246 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Sirius68 [ Kh, Ks ]
Buscemi04 folds.
Gooarrilla folds.
zeusjr1 folds.
HollyFort raises (690) to 690
HollyFort is all-In.
aznbomb calls (690)
TheUSA raises (12470) to 12470
TheUSA is all-In.
Sirius68 calls (8450)
Sirius68 is all-In.
DewLayGoBaBa folds.
kota1958 folds.
dunlap246 folds.
aznbomb folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3210 with HollyFort
Creating Side Pot 1 with $15520 with Sirius68
Creating Side Pot 2 with $4020 with TheUSA
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8s, Ts, Tc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3210 | Side Pot 1: 15520 | Side Pot 2: 4020
Board: [ 8s Ts Tc Kd 3s ]
Gooarrilla balance 16957, didn't bet (folded)
zeusjr1 balance 9150, didn't bet (folded)
HollyFort balance 0, lost 690 [ Ah 3h ] [ two pairs, tens and threes -- Ah,Ts,Tc,3h,3s ]
aznbomb balance 4340, lost 690 (folded)
TheUSA balance 4020, bet 12470, collected 4020, lost -8450 [ 9d 9s ] [ two pairs, tens and nines -- Kd,Ts,Tc,9d,9s ]
Sirius68 balance 18730, bet 8450, collected 18730, net +10280 [ Kh Ks ] [ a full house, Kings full of tens -- Kh,Ks,Kd,Ts,Tc ]
DewLayGoBaBa balance 10196, didn't bet (folded)
kota1958 balance 23718, lost 150 (folded)
dunlap246 balance 1340, lost 300 (folded)
Buscemi04 balance 18732, didn't bet (folded)
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| | | 106 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 09:08
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Thanks for the info on the guaranteed tourney's. I figured I would sit down and try one last night and two hands annihilated me.
I entered a $25, $10K guaranteed, no rebuy/no add on tourney, which started with slightly over 400 participants. I played pretty tight, and got myself up to 1500 in chips and chip leader at my table (starting stack was 1000). Stayed pretty tight, played a few pre flops, and when I missed I would usually get out.
With about 300 people left, I got QQ on the button. 3 people before limped in so, I raised 6x the blind. SB goes all in behind me which would have me put in 2/3 of my stack (including my original raise). So, of course I call. He has AK unsuited.
Flop comes 8, 9, J rainbow
Turn is Q (gives me 3 queens and him 4 outs)
River is 10 to give him Ace high straight.
So, I am now down to about 500 in chips. The blinds are still playable at 15/30, so, I figure I can build back up and not be forced to go all in when I see any ace. About 10 hands later, and 250 players left, I get Js Jc, and raise half my stack (about 7x the bb). Guy behind me goes all in. I call again, and again I face AK unsuited (Ah Kc).
Flop is 4c 4h 7c
Turn is 6c
River is 10 c, giving him a king high flush.
I wasn't very happy about the tourney given that I was so close to being near the chip lead if two hands fell my way (and on hands that I thought I played correctly). I like the tourneys, though, and will play them in the future (probably lower limits though).
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| | | 107 | beastiemiked
ID: 4310501610
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 09:45
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That's the why many people hate MTT, you can play 100% correctly and still go out without a dime.
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| | | 108 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Jul 15, 2005, 15:02
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Put me in the camp of hating MTT...
While I have been reasonably successful in the MTTs I have entered I much prefer a cash game. MTTs take too much time...just to start a tournament I have to make sure I have the next 5 hours free. Cash games more suit my style of being very aggressive when I feel I have an edge where in MTT you have to be cautious not wanting to get knocked out of the tourney with one bad beat or one second best hand. In a cash game the terrible players can reload their $ and keep giving it to me =)
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| | | 109 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Mon, Jul 18, 2005, 10:49
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I put another $50 in and I'm determined to make that my last deposit. I played at a .10/.25 table with $20. Walked away from the table 2 hours later with about $53. Everyone at the table was playing so tight, I was able to bet $1 and win pots that I had no business winning. At one point I got a 2-4, unsuited. I was to the right of the small blind. Everyone folds, I raise to $1 and steal the blinds. It takes patience, and I'm sure it wont always be that easy, but making $33 in 2 hours was fine by me :)
I remember looking at the stats and after 99 hands played, I had seen the flop about 50% of the time, so lets say 50 flops, I won 30 of those hands.
The only bad beat I had was to a big blind special. I had an Ace-Ten unsuited just called pre-flop. The flop came as an ace with some low cards (A-6-7). I bet maybe 50 cents, was called...Next card is another Ace. So I've got trip aces. I bet $1, a guy raises it to $5 so I call. The river was 9. He goes all in for another $5, I called and he got the straight on the river with his 5-8.
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| | | 110 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 09:29
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Played in my 2nd MTT yesterday and it turned out better than the 1st. 110 people entered the $20+2 tourney (no rebuy/no add on), and I finished in 5th place. I was knocked out when I went all in with AK and an A10 called, and a 10 came on the turn. I won about $150, so, I was pretty happy.
It's interesting, though, to play these tourneys. It's really just survival until the bulk of the field is gone, and then you can turn aggeesive as your table loses players (until they re-sit people). I won a couple of my races, but none were races where I was all in, I was just calling someone elses all in.
One guy yelled at me for 5 minutes about calling his pocket 10's with my AQ suited. I had raised preflop, and he came over the top all in. I had to put in 1/2 of my remaining stack to call (and about 40% more to the pot), and figured that this guy had medium pockets. Figuring I had a 45% chance to win, I thought it was a smart call. Sure enough an Ace came on the flop, and he was livid at me and was saying how terrible a player I was (knocked the guy out in 15th place, so, he was still in the money) .
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| | | 111 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 14:33
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Yeah, I've been yelled at for not playing "standard" hold 'em. Well duh. Only idiots are predictable. I just ignore them.
You shouldn't be playing poker if you can get that worked up.
I went all-in short-stacked small blind just as they were preparing to combine to the final table last weekend. pocket 7s. Big blind called almost all-in with pocket 6s. A six on the flop and I'm done. He ended up coming back and winning it - $800.
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| | | 112 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 14:37
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Agree completely on how the MTT's seem to work, leggestand. Survive until everyone starts dropping like flies then going aggressive. I got XXXX-ed over the weekend on a $20+2 (700 entries) when someone went all in and I called with Rockets. He had 78 suited and caught a *(&(-ing straight. Was livid.
I love how people call YOU an idiot when you make a good call of their stupid bluff.
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| | | 113 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 15:26
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In MTTs personally I like playing a little aggressive early...always my goal to build a bigger than average stack so I can take some chances and am the one putting others all-in and I am not in danger. I will risk getting knocked out early in the hopes of building a big stack...once I get that big stack my odds of getting far seem to go way up.
Second in a MTT this weekend...freeroll with around 500 players...I had some great runs of cards...with 20 players left I had a third of the chips in play...pretty much just coasted from there to headsup...got a little unlucky headsup but still won $150.
Has been a very tough month...I think I have forgotten how to play cash games...getting my ass beat. After a 20 session winning streak last month, now I can't win 2 days in a row and have been taking some big losses. I guess it is part of the game...sometimes the cards go the wrong way...I know I am a good player but when you go steaks like this you start questioning everything.
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| | | 114 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Tue, Jul 26, 2005, 19:03
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Anyone (besides me) checked out FullTiltPoker.com yet.?
Good matching bonuses (up to $600 100% match) and a decent bonus release program of $20.00 increments. I love the site layout, features, and customer serice has been great. I put money in through e-Passport and wanted to take it out via Net Teller. I sent them an e-mail and in less than 5 mins, I had cashed out.
Also, they have a stable of about 10 pros that actually show up and play even the low limit games.
As far as MTTs goes, I've spent nearly 99% of my time on cash games lately. The $2/$4 NLs seem to be high enough to eliminate the idiots and yet just enough rookies show up with fresh cash. :)
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| | | 115 | Weykool
ID: 10613123
Mon, Aug 01, 2005, 00:10
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Placed 6th in a $5+1 rebuy tournament and walked away with over $1,100.00 after subtracting my rebuys and addon.
Over 1700 participants.
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| | | 116 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 03:04
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Don't know if anyone is still up, but I'm magically 1 of 8 left at Party's 2+0 tournament out of 2000 players. Table number 410190.
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| | | 117 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 03:20
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6 left, 2nd in chips
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| | | 118 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 03:38
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4 left, last in chips but still kicking
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| | | 119 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 03:40
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GL Beezer, just opened the table now.
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| | | 120 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 04:01
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Finished 2nd, pretty much got blinded out waiting for 3rd to go out and didn't have a hand to push with. Went out with pocket 7s when the board 2-paired. $475 richer makes up for the 2 hours of sleep I'll get tonight before work. :)
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| | | 121 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 04:02
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Thx R9, I didn't really play well enough to deserve my finished. Cracked 2 pairs of pocket aces, once with KK and once with AJs when the flush came. Plus I put out 2 players at the final table with dominated hands. That's about all the luck I can ask for in one tourney.
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| | | 122 | Luvtodive
ID: 3954133
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 04:09
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Good job Beezer I won 310 at a live freeroll tonight with rebuys
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| | | 123 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 13:58
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$475 for 2nd with 2000 players? What was the buyin?
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| | | 124 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 15:18
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"Party's 2+0 tournament"
$2
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| | | 125 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 15:58
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My time is worth more than that.
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| | | 126 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 16:53
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My time is worth more than that.
Really? 6 hours of your time is worth more than $473 and tons of excitement.
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| | | 127 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:02
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If I only finish in the money 1/100th of the time (and that's probably generous with 2000 folks), yeah. That works out to ~$3/hour.
20 or 40 dollar buy-in would make it worth it, perhaps.
I have played in a few local tournaments. generally 30-40 players, $25-$50 buy-in. Can walk away with $800 in an hour and a half, and the excitement level is through the roof. That seems like more my style.
I can see where 2+0 can be attractive to some, just not something I would choose to do, I don't think.
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| | | 128 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:27
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That's cool, bili. I mainly play that level for the # of competitive hands I can see per $ since I'm still relatively new to the game. Once I feel more comfortable I'll probably move to ring games and higher-stakes tourneys that have a better return.
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| | | 129 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:35
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$3/hour would be much better than your return on a 40 person live tourney that gets over with in an hour in a half. Add the vig to that and I would say that there is very little +EV in a structure like that.
I don't play in too many micro buy in multi's but with a little skill someone can definitely make them profitable. Nothing to retire on but a moderately skilled player at a 2+0 tourney could easily average $5-$6/hour. However, the variance on these things are so huge that there is little point in playing in them unless you enjoy doing it.
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| | | 130 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:37
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Yeah, I am relatively new to the game too, and 2-0 probably a terrific way to get a huge amount of reasonably decent experience (i.e. people folding a reasonable amount of time) without paying much. I should probably play something like this more often to help cement the theory I am continuing to learn through books, I just don't have the patience! ;) I don't really like playing on line (I did for a while sans $), and playing in person is more rewarding for me, even if not nec. in the pocket book.
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| | | 131 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:41
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Speaking of $/hr,....
I have been playing single table SNGs for a while (10 handed). I generally find I can folow 3 games at once and it takes 45 minutes to play through all 3 games on average. I find I can make an amount equal to double my entry fee per hour. IE Three (3) $10+$1s will yield me $20-$22/hour over time. I'm getting this from my own experience over about 50 games. Top 3 places are paid and I have averages being in the money 60% of the time.
Is anyone else experience rates close to this? I'm considering going to $50 SNGs, but curious if you have found the level of competion stiffens? Yes, there are plenty of easy marks in the $5 and $10 games.
Anyone else have similiar ratios?
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| | | 132 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 17:53
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I've been 4 tabling at Party 10+1 and 20+2 20 person multi's for the past couple of weeks. Hourly rate is 25-30/hour at both levels over the course of about 50 tournies at each level. There are plenty of donkey's here and the 10 minute a level structure is much better than 10 hand structure of the SNG.
Is anyone else experience rates close to this? I'm considering going to $50 SNGs, but curious if you have found the level of competion stiffens? Yes, there are plenty of easy marks in the $5 and $10 games.
I don't advise immediatly jumping up unless you are going to move back down if you lose. It sounds like you have a solid bankroll so you should try and make the jump in stakes at some point. The level of competition definitely stiffens up and I wouldn't advise playing more than 2 tables at anything above the $30 buy ins.
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| | | 133 | louky
ID: 550511210
Tue, Aug 02, 2005, 22:30
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Back to back 2nd's in 45 player $6.00 turbo tourneys. 2nd pays 60 bucks and the turbos only last 45 minutes to an hour.
rfs, I've found the higher stakes SNG's attact better players. $10 and $5 have been pretty good to me.
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| | | 134 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 18:28
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rfs, I have started playing $12 SNG's that are at 6 person tables (top 2 get paid 65-35). I have actually won 7 of my last 10 and placed 2nd in 1 (paid 8 of my last 10). Games take about 45 minutes, so, over my past 10 tourneys my "hourly rate" has been slightly over $33. I have played $35, 6 person SNG's, as well, and although they do attract stiffer competition, it still isn't too hard to get in the top 2 50% of the time. I just usually don't have the patience to wait for players to sign up for the $35 tables, so, I don't play as often...
I definitely prefer the 6 person SNG's to the 10 person SNG's, though. It seems to be so much easier to play 6 handed than 10 handed, plus it's easier to figure out how other play when you only need to study 5 players (thank you Captain Obvious).
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| | | 135 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 04991311
Wed, Aug 03, 2005, 19:25
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I play mostly cash games, and while there are always bad beats, for the most part I usually win about 100 dollars a night and play for about 2 hours.
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| | | 136 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:13
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dumb question...
what is different about a turbo tourney???? I'm assuming its faster, but how?
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| | | 137 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 18:55
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ok, I went and played a $6 one, I guess the blinds just go up quicker.
45 players started, 19 are left, I just fell to 12th place...
very first hand...one guy has pocket aces, one has pocket kings, one has pocket 4s. They go all in before the flop and an Ace hits on the flop and trip aces triples up right away
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| | | 138 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 23:31
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J-
The blinds increase at a faster rate. Personally I believe turbos even the playing field, thus I hate them since I believe I am a better player than the field. I think turbos give an edge to the worse players because the good players can't sit back and play the game they want to...
That is my opinion at least...
THK
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| | | 139 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Thu, Aug 04, 2005, 23:47
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yeah, I'd agree with that. I finished 6th, so I won $18. I like thats its nice and quick though! But I think I should play the slower games. Let everyone beat each other up before I take their money :)
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| | | 140 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 01:52
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Right now I am playing in the famous $11R ($25k guarunteed) tournament on PokerStars.
Top Prize: ~$13,000
Top 99 paid
127 left
Hopefully I can make a decent showing...
I really dropped in to ask a question of others. Say you are at the time where the blinds are significant and stealing blinds is prevalent and necessary (1,500/3,000 for example). You are on the button with everyone folding to you and you hold KK with a chip stack sitting right around average (55k we will say). What do you do? After I hear a few response I will tell what I did and why I am not sure it was the correct play.
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| | | 141 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:05
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Would probably raise the minimum, make it look like a steal attempt. You want action, but dont want to give a free flop to rags in the BB, so a raise is neccessary. Hopefully one of the blinds would try to steal post-flop...
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| | | 142 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:07
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I've been reading the Dan Harrington book, and from my memory he recommends a raise of no more than 3 times the bb in that case, because you want to encourage the blinds to call and the weak raise may be interpreted as a cheap attempt at stealing the blinds.
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| | | 143 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:07
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101 left...
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| | | 144 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:12
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Depends on the size of the blinds - if they are large, they'll probably call a bigger raise since they have more to defend with. I'd say about 3xBB as R9 says above sounds pretty good barring something out of the ordinary.
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| | | 145 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:22
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Yahoo! I bluffed away my stack... ;-(
Short stacked now...
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| | | 146 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:29
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Terrible terrible play...
Bluffed 100k away...
It all ends with AQos vs JJ...no help for my Ace..but I had to make the move since I was short stacked after my terrible play...
$104 which is +83, but who cares. I ruined a shot at over $1,000 (top 8) with stupidity.
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| | | 147 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 02:37
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R9-
Please describe my stupidity (even though that guy played the hand very oddly and I think he is an amatuer player), because I am far too upset with myself to do so...
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| | | 148 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 09:34
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Personally I like the Turbo tournaments. While I agree luck becomes a bigger factor...skill still has an edge. I just like them because I do not have the patience to play normal SnGs. Generally when I play SnGs it is because I have either won or lost a lot of money already and I do not want to risk any more real money but still want to play a little so I will play $5-$20 turbo tournaments.
Usually I will play extreme turbo tournaments which are two hands per round...obviously a lot of luck involved at the end but I still think a skilled player has an edge. Have around 14 hands before the tournament is over so you have to make a lot of moves...fun game to blow off a little steam and get all-in with nothing.
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| | | 149 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 10:45
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Kind of a funny hand from last night...
1-2 NL ... I had just doubled up a few hands previous with KK vs top pair top kicker (TPTK) against a player who was pretty loose and looked to be now tilting as he was betting big every hand. This player proceeds to double up when he goes all-in preflop with AJ and gets called by AQ (very loose play with marginal hands)...he spikes a J on the turn and now has ~250. I currently have ~360.
The hand...I am in bad early position one or two from the blinds. I get dealt 3-6o...go to fold and hit raise instead to 4...doh. The loose player raises to 6 and everyone else folds. Figure I might as well call for 2 more and I do that. Flop 3-6-8...lol beautiful. I check...he bets out 12 and I just call, wanting to build the pot a little before getting aggresive. I figure at this point my goal is going to be to get all of my money in the pot with this hand. Turn is a 3-6-8-J. I bet out 10 trying to make it look like I am trying to draw cheap and I am pretty confident he will raise. He raises to 20...I reraise to 30...he goes all-in...I call...he shows AK and is drawing dead. I scoop...he then proceeds to berate me for ten minutes for raising with 3-6o. Nice when a mistake pays off. Gave me a nice table image the rest of the night...any time rags hit the flop it seemed I was able to steal.
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| | | 150 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:32
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While I agree the raise threw everyone off, this clown is an excellent example of what befuddles me at times. WTF was he still doing in that pot at the turn? With your raise and the bets you called, certainly you had at least a pair and could have had a small pocket pair that tripped. He has two overcards and six outs - and that's assuming you hadn't hit two pair.
Sure you'd deserve to get a little heat for a raise with 3-6, but that doesn't mean HIS dumbass play is worth defending either! Geeeeeeeez.
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| | | 151 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
ID: 03531815
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:33
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I love when players berate others players to cover up their own bad play. When are people going to learn that AK is a drawing hand.
After a combination of cold decks and bad semi bluffs(it never fails that when I semi bluff with a flush draw with overcards that someone is sitting there with a set), I've decided to take a break from poker for awhile.
Multi tourney situation to discuss:
You are sitting with about 900 chips(average 1300-1500) at a multi tourney level 3 or 4 with blinds at 25/50. Dealt AKo in middle position, folds around to you when you make a standard raise to 3x big blind. 1 player behind you calls and the big blind(loose player has made a few questionable plays) pushes an average size stack all in, what do you do?
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| | | 152 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 11:46
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Good question. You are slightly behind to any pair lower than K (my guess at his hand) and at least 60/40 with any other hand (only AA is above 70/30 against you). I think if you feel you're one of the best players in the tourney, you'd lay it down and wait for a better shot. Personally, I feel I'm around average or slightly better, so I'd take the shot to double up+75 in this spot.
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| | | 153 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 12:03
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Would depend alot on what you think the guy still to act would do. AK in a three-way pot isn't nearly as strong as it is heads up. He's likely in a situation where he'd call if you fold and fold if you call, but you cant be sure of that. He could've slowplayed KK or AA with the intent of using his position to get the pot bigger later.
As far as the BB dude goes, if I was sure the guy left to act would fold, I'd call the all-in easily. Many weak players go all-in with AQ and AJ without second thought. Odds are pretty good you have him dominated or are coin flipping to a PP.
Obviously more often then not you can't be sure of the intent of the guy left to act. His hand/possible actions would worry me more then the BB's all-in. In the end though folding AK is always tough. If you wont call AK all-in, what will you call? If you don't build a stack soon you'll be forced all-in eventually anyway, and probably with holdings worse then AK...
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| | | 154 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 14:10
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One change I have made to my game recently is I will rarely enter a pot preflop without raising or reraising especially if I have position. I still will limp in early position on very aggressive tables but I find any kind of raise generally narrows the field and gets rid of most marginal holdings. Also gives you a much better chance of stealing the pot on the flop or if you do hit your hand there is more money to fight for which can cause poor players to make bad calls. If I am in late position and facing an earlier raise about the only hand I will just call with is small pocket pairs...any other hand I am either folding or raising. Trying to fold more with trouble hands like AJ AQ KQ...the key with NL is to be in position where you have the dominant holding like AK vs AQ/AJ or an overpair vs TPTK or a set vs TPTK/overpair.
If I had one tip with NL cash games if you want to be a steady winner it is to remain patient and only get involved with very big pots when you are pretty certain you have the best of it. It only takes one or two double ups a night to make good money if you avoid marginal situations. On most tables you should be able to steal enough small pots post-flop to pay for your blinds...so basically break even and then wait for your chance to double. Let other players make mistakes. The other main tip is to figure out who overplays marginal cards or will not make a laydown, these are the players that are going to pay you off when you get big cards (and do not try to bluff these players).
The above advice pertains more to ring games not tournaments where especially late you must do much more stealing/bluffing.
I am still kind of debating whether a very loose aggressive style/image isn't optimal but through experimentation I have found it very hard to play this way successfully (at least for me). Much more variance when you are not getting cards. I played this way last month for a couple weeks and had a few huge nights but then had just as many huge bad nights. The swings are just too big for me to stomach.
I guess I am still trying to get better and figure a way to make more money. When I build my bankroll I set aside a certain amount to experiment with and try different plays. Generally the experimentation does not yield great results and I fall back to playing a tight but very aggressive style and I end up steadily earning. Playing marginal cards preflop can put you in very bad positions against people who only play premium hands...takes a lot of discipline to get away from hands. Then again it is very beautiful when your marginal hand preflop hits it big on the flop and you can double through with crap cards.
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| | | 155 | biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 14:53
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I'm trying to work on the same thing in local 3-6 games. Almost never simply calling pre-flop. It's hard. One, it forces you to only play premium hands (a good thing, as I sometimes get impatient). Two, there is a lot of grumbling live. Nobody likes their blinds raised, and it gets people angry and wary (generally a good sign that it is a solid play). To somewhat compensate, I occasionally (very occasionally, or it can get expensive) play with marginal hands early in a session to throw folks off a pattern and make sure everyone doesn't simply fold when I raise pre-flop.
Generally in these loose games, I can get some action regardless, however.
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| | | 156 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 15:06
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I've tightened up my live 3-6 and 4-8 play as well after a few losing sessions. Too often I'd limp in with marginals like Q 10, J 10 and my favorite crap hand, 10-8. Then I'd hit top pair or 2nd pair and get stuck in the hand. Do that too many times and your stack just dwindles.
Last 2 sessions, playing at 4-8 for the first time (my usual card club was STACKED with 20 players on the list, so I said 'screw that' and went to the other local club whose lowest game is 4-8) I tightened up significantly. While it's hard when your old marginal crap hits a set or 2 pair, in the long run I firmly believe that the patience was a virtue and ended up winning in both sessions.
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| | | 157 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 16:21
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"this clown is an excellent example of what befuddles me at times. WTF was he still doing in that pot at the turn? With your raise and the bets you called"
This always confuses me to no end. Typical hand...I have AK or some other premium holding. I raise preflop...pot size bet...get a caller or two...the flop misses me or I catch a good draw to semi-bluff with...checks around...I make ~3/4 pot size bet to try and steal (same bet I would make if I make my hand)...I get a caller...now I am worried and know I am probably beat so I slow down...maybe make another play on the turn if a scary looking card comes...then check it at the river only to see the other player had pocket 44 or some other nonsense and was calling my bets with all over cards showing. Even worse they have 57o or something and catch a 7 on the river to steal the pot with nothing. Makes me laugh how people are able to make these calls with next to nothing...guess I shouldn't complain though as these are the same people that make the game profitable in the longrun.
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| | | 158 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Fri, Aug 05, 2005, 21:42
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First I would like to vent about my terrible tournament play recently. The $25k guarunteed tournament on PokerStars used to be a solid placing about 40% of the time over the span of a month...which made me a lot of $$$. Now, I can't place in it (besides last night) or the $10+1 regular tournament... I don't think I am playing poorly or the cards are unusually cold; I just always seem to be SSed when the blinds start getting large. UGH. Very frustrating since I know I can beat those tournaments!
Anyway...I had KK on the button and I ended up raising just 2.5 the BB. Luckily everyone folded, but I feel I made an incorrect play because that raise wasn't large enough IMO. Sure people thought it was a steal which is what I want, but a caller there and I didn't get much of his $$$ in and he still has the chance to hit 2 pair or something... Next time I have a very good hand on the button and all fold to me I will probably raise at least 4.5x the BB to ensure if this guy is going to hit 2 pair or Arag he will pay for it.
Wish me luck tonight...I probably need it.
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| | | 159 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:10
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Playing in the same tournament...played great poker and had everyone dominated when the cards were flipped over...FOR AWHILE.
Ranked 22nd of the remaining 500 or so players..dealt AA UTG
Raise 4x BB...called by 2 guys
Q95 flops
I bet 1,000 (5x BB)...2nd position raises me his all in (5,000 more) when I have a stack of 32,000
I call...he flips over Q5os.....UGH, why couldn't I have at least seen a set?!?!
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| | | 160 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:12
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Forgot the last part of that...
I called a 4k all in the next hand on a K high flush draw when in the BB bc of TILT...
No help vs 2 pair and now I am hovering at the avg chip stack (I have been over avg since the first 20 minutes)
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| | | 161 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:33
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I am playing two tourneys toight (rarely play tournies but had some time and it is a nice change of pace).
$20 NL freezeout 47 players right now 35 players left and I am sitting in 4th...nothing spectacular yet...won a big pot on a bluff...and put someone all-in chasing a flush on the river.
10 NL turbo 57 players...just busted out in 49th...ran into some bad spots when my flush ran into a fullhouse...and a suited AK lost an all-in preflop to 66.
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| | | 162 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:41
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20 NL Level 3 and I am currently in 2nd. Got a nice pot holding 89s...limp in with position...normally I might raise here but have a nice stack and just want to see some flops. Flop comes K-10-8, early player makes a minimum bet, one caller, I raise 4x the bet , both call (not really liking that...was hoping to pick it up), turn is another 8 (great), both check to me, I bet around 1/3 the pot and take it down...was hoping to get a call.
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| | | 163 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:51
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20 NL Level 4 now have a nice lead in first place...8500...second has 5500...nearly double up against the second stack on the table. Hold J9 suited in BB. Call 100 along with about 5 others. Flop J-9-5 suited. I check someone bets 100 - SB raises to 500 - I reraise 1500 - SB calls - turn is a blank - SB bets 500 - I reraise hinm all-in ~1000 more. He shows AJ none of the suit...river is blank...
Level 4...Now at 10500...2nd place at 5800...24 players remain. Picked up a 4000 pot with TPTK on another 3 suit flop.
Time to change gears and tighten up a little and play premiums only for a level or so.
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| | | 164 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 00:56
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Just knocked out at a very poor 273 of ~1200...
AJ in the SB
long story short J48 flops and I go all in with a little less than the avg stack..
Called by the A high flush draw...hits it on the turn
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| | | 165 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:01
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Level 5 . Limp with QQ UTG. Small raise behind me...2 callers...I reraise enough to put anyone who might call all-in. All fold. Not how I would normally play it but have such a lead that even if I lost the hand I would still be in first...and I don't want to risk some lone A or K flopping out on me.
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| | | 166 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:03
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On break...currently in 2nd with 10.6 ...first has 10.8...3rd 6.3. 17 players remain, top 5 pay.
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| | | 167 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:19
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Level 7...1st place...10.9k...12 players remain...a lot tighter up top...few other 10k stacks.
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| | | 168 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:26
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Final table...knock out the 11th place player all-in with QQ vs 10-10. In 1st w/15K...2nd has 10.6. Sticking with playing premiums...no need to take risks right now...
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| | | 169 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 01:55
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level 10...7 left...not getting anything to play...currently in 2nd w/12.7 ...a lot of all-ins preflop for such low blinds 400/800. staying out of the way for now...2 to the money. Noone very short stacked...making it a blind stealing fest.
doh...just lost a nice pot...had to fold to an all-in after spending too much...down to 6.3 in 6th.
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| | | 170 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 02:05
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Level 11...6 of us...i am card dead...nothing to play...have 5.1K ...2 big stacks the rest of us ~5k...who is going to bubble?
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| | | 171 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 02:23
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all-in JJ...steal blinds...sitting in 4th...hoping the short stacks gets eliminated.
both shortstacks just lose half there chips...looking better but I still need to double badly.
6th place eliminated. I am in the money...
Nice...pickup 2500...when I reraise with KQs. Have 7.1K in 4th. dang shortstack doubles and i am in 5th.
weeeee....I double with KQ vs A8 with a K on the river...now have 13.8 and am back in the game in 2nd. Still 5 left.
yes...eliminate 5th place player when my 88 holds up and flops a set vs AQ...now have 21K in a strong 2nd.
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| | | 172 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 02:40
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lucky...get in a flop with the other big stack...have A-10...flop comes A-9-3...he bets...I raise...he reraises...we are all-in...he flips A3 for two pair...I spike a 10 on the turn and double up...now in first with 41K...2nd 19K...3rd 9K...4th place player eliminated.
playing very passive...want to get heads up. hoping the other two will eliminate each other or i get a premium hand.
just lost most on my stack KQ vs AQ when I had top pair he had a straight. 11K
getting blinded to nothing...2 big stacks tangle..wrong one wins...
Get eliminated in 3rd and win 150...lose with K2 vs A8...basically was forced in.
successful tournament...I think I played terrible towards the end...refused to steal blinds as I was just hoping to move up and let others make the mistakes...considering I got very lucky a few times, happy with the finish.
Sorry for all the posts...just gave me something to do while playing.
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| | | 173 | biliruben
ID: 531202411
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 08:47
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Fine by me. Good to have something else to do so you keep thinking and don't play too many hands.
Played at a rediculously loose table last night, and sometimes that can bite you in the ass.
Loosened up a little, but still tried to resist the temptation to stoop and played decent poker.
Lost KK to 98 offsuit when he hit runner runner straight; and he was raising the whole way.
Lost when I made my set of jacks to 6-3 offsuit rivering a straight!
Lost another pocket jacks to 7-2 offsuit.
All to the same guy who was playing that stuff in early position. All very big pots, often capped pre-flop with nearly everyone in.
Lost maybe $100 in ~$300 pot when pocket fives turned into 5s full of 6s on the turn, against the first hand of what looked like a 15 year old, who I put on a straight, possibly a set, rivers quad 6s.
I know you get back against these guys in the long run (and I did, mostly), but it's hard not to tilt with that kind of nonesense. The guy next me did. Took his last chip in his teeth on a particularly bad beat, snapped it in half, threw the pieces and stomped out. Ah playing live!
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| | | 174 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 19:49
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Question for TRS, since he plays alot of ring games. Do you call an all-in pre-flop with AK? Situation one was just me left to act, everyone else folded, I called and took a big pot vs. AQ. Situation two there was still someone left to act so I folded, and the guy after called. Both had QQ and an A spiked on the river. I wasn't too upset as I feel I made the right play, but would like to know what you would do in the same situation.
I'm up 550$ in ring games the last two days just by playing my tight/agressive style at the higher limits. Maybe its just me, but people at higher limits respect my raises more (and thus make it easier for the occasional bluff) and I don't get sucked out nearly as often. Low limits I always seem to break even, which is why I haven't played alot of ring games... so I'm going to go with the higher limits (1$/2$ for me)for a while and see how I do.
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| | | 175 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 22:21
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AK...depends on the situation. Factors: Stack sizes...any read I have on the player...how much dead money is in the pot...how much I am up/down at the time...how far I am into the session...is the other player tilting...how many players are left to act +their stack sizes/reads/etc...is your AK sooooted...
Using 1-2 NL in the examples...
Stack sizes:
If it is a smaller stack like $40 or less I will usually call. Reasons I generally call smaller stacks: more likely they are playing garbage cards, a loss is not a big financial hit, I think it advertises a suspect call and gives the rest of the table something to think about when I call later or make a big bet...advertises a little looseness.
Larger stack and I do not have much invested already I would normally fold. AK is not all that strong preflop when faced with an all-in...it is a drawing hand...it is a dog to any pair and is crippled by AA/KK two of the likely hands to make all-in preflop plays. In ring games there is not a time limit, the blinds are not increasing, you have infinite opportunities...there will be better spots than calling an all-in preflop with AK. So generally I would say I am folding unless other factors make a call favorable.
Reads:
If I think someone is tilting or I know the player is very loose or a maniac I add that as a big plus in my consideration of whether to call or not. If it is a very tight player it is not a hard decision to fold.
Dead Money:
If I have already called a decent raise and their are some smaller stacks already in, that would add some incentive to call. Or if I am short-stacked I might call but know I am probably gambling when I do it (generally I do not play shortstacked...I reload if I am under 120).
Is there danger of a bigger stack behind me calling or raising more? I would say this is a minor consideration in this case...if I have a good read and think I am ahead of the all-in I would likely call regardless of position.
A suited AK has a slightly higher value but I assign most of that value in playing after the flop and the all-in negates that.
I would think in most cases you are behind if you make the call. The most likely hands to make an all-in raise or reraise preflop are pocket pairs in which you are a dog to any and dominated by AA or KK. The next most likely is another AK or AQ...you are a big favorite vs AQ...so only one of the most likely hands gives you an edge. The other factor is this is the internet and probably 10% of the time someone will turn over undercards and you will be a 60-40 favorite.
Hands like QQ, JJ, KK are much tougher to play in this spot.
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| | | 176 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 22:27
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AK in tournaments...I am much more likely to call especially if losing the hand does not cripple me.
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| | | 177 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 21431823
Sat, Aug 06, 2005, 22:41
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Take it slow on the bigger tables. Yes you will see more consistent play but you are also going to run into more winning players who are going to be able to get away from hands more often, make fewer mistakes, and put you in bad spots.
The mistakes/suckouts at the lower limits can be frustrating, but in the longrun they should be very profitable if you play a good game.
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| | | 178 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 01:42
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Just cracked the $$$ in the $11R again...~170 left and I have a stack below avg by quite a bit...Will try to claw and double up...
Also, close 50 from placing in the $20+$2 but have A LOT of work to do for me not to bubble...
THK
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| | | 179 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 02:13
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74 of 104 in the $11R (top 180 paid)
49 of 93 in the $20 (top 99 paid)
So I placed...now I have to claw to make some real $$$...
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| | | 180 | THK @ families bsmt
ID: 556572522
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 20:44
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Finished 43rd and 61st in the 2 tournaments last night I believe
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| | | 181 | FRICK
ID: 3410101718
Sun, Aug 07, 2005, 22:58
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Just finished 3rd in a S&G. Was the chip leader for a long time until I lost JJ vs QQ to the 2nd in chips.
Had to hang on and survive a couple of all ins to finish in 3rd.
The funny thing is both hands had a stomach punch factor to them. On the QQ vs JJ hand the river card was a Q, everything else had been rags.
On the hand that knocked me out I flip 34 vs J4. The flop is rags, but the river was a 3. Unfortunately the turn had been a J.
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| | | 182 | THK @ families
ID: 356432421
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 01:23
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Check this run.....
PokerStars Game #2289111085: Tournament #10686648, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/08/08 - 01:03:53 (ET)
Table '10686648 117' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 (30283 in chips)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (22405 in chips)
Seat 3: cigar (50505 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (24728 in chips)
Seat 5: magithighs (49397 in chips)
Seat 6: cwhite (14567 in chips)
Seat 7: cguard111 (6185 in chips)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 (29675 in chips)
Seat 9: chris0118 (26967 in chips)
stkbrkr1: posts the ante 75
$DW12$: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts the ante 75
magithighs: posts the ante 75
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7 hands later
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PokerStars Game #2289143962: Tournament #10686648, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/08/08 - 01:08:28 (ET)
Table '10686648 117' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 (36358 in chips)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (28065 in chips)
Seat 3: cigar (51855 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (23603 in chips)
Seat 5: magithighs (49472 in chips)
Seat 6: cwhite (14717 in chips)
Seat 7: nothin2gein (63471 in chips)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 (23750 in chips)
Seat 9: chris0118 (21042 in chips)
stkbrkr1: posts the ante 75
$DW12$: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts the ante 75
magithighs: posts the ante 75
cwhite: posts the ante 75
nothin2gein: posts the ante 75
Paramnesia1: posts the ante 75
chris0118: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts small blind 600
XXXVic69: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to $DW12$ [Ac Kh]
magithighs: calls 1200
cwhite: folds
nothin2gein: calls 1200
Paramnesia1: folds
chris0118: calls 1200
stkbrkr1: folds
$DW12$: raises 3600 to 4800
cigar: folds
XXXVic69: folds
magithighs: calls 3600
nothin2gein: calls 3600
chris0118: calls 3600
*** FLOP *** [8d Kc 9c]
magithighs: checks
nothin2gein: checks
chris0118: bets 8400
$DW12$: raises 14790 to 23190 and is all-in
magithighs: folds
nothin2gein: folds
chris0118: calls 7767 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8d Kc 9c] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [8d Kc 9c Qd] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chris0118: shows [9h Ad] (a pair of Nines)
$DW12$: shows [Ac Kh] (a pair of Kings)
$DW12$ collected 54009 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 54009 | Rake 0
Board [8d Kc 9c Qd 2d]
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (button) showed [Ac Kh] and won (54009) with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: cigar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: magithighs folded on the Flop
Seat 6: cwhite folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: nothin2gein folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chris0118 showed [9h Ad] and lost with a pair of Nines
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NEXT HAND!
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PokerStars Game #2289157914: Tournament #10686648, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/08/08 - 01:10:25 (ET)
Table '10686648 117' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 (36283 in chips)
Seat 2: $DW12$ (61032 in chips)
Seat 3: cigar (51180 in chips)
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (22328 in chips)
Seat 5: magithighs (44597 in chips)
Seat 6: cwhite (14642 in chips)
Seat 7: nothin2gein (58596 in chips)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 (23675 in chips)
stkbrkr1: posts the ante 75
$DW12$: posts the ante 75
cigar: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts the ante 75
magithighs: posts the ante 75
cwhite: posts the ante 75
nothin2gein: posts the ante 75
Paramnesia1: posts the ante 75
XXXVic69: posts small blind 600
magithighs: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to $DW12$ [As Ah]
cwhite: folds
nothin2gein: folds
Paramnesia1: folds
stkbrkr1: folds
$DW12$: raises 3600 to 4800
cigar: raises 46305 to 51105 and is all-in
XXXVic69: folds
magithighs: folds
$DW12$: calls 46305
*** FLOP *** [5c 5s Ts]
*** TURN *** [5c 5s Ts] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [5c 5s Ts Qs] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$DW12$: shows [As Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
cigar: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Fives)
$DW12$ collected 104610 from pot
chickendog is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 104610 | Rake 0
Board [5c 5s Ts Qs 8s]
Seat 1: stkbrkr1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: $DW12$ showed [As Ah] and won (104610) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: cigar (button) showed [Ad Kh] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 4: XXXVic69 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: magithighs (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: cwhite folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: nothin2gein folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Paramnesia1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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10 hands later
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Dealt AKos...raise to 7k...guy raises all in for 51k and I fold. He says Js...not sure what I think.
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NEXT HAND!!
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Dealt AA...win the blinds
WOW!!!! Ranked 7th of 225 right now...top 135 paid. Trying to place for the 3rd time in 4 days
THK
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ID: 356432421
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 03:04
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Hands dried up big time...
Pushed with AJ for 2x the BB after being dwindled badly...K7 calls and he hits 2 pair.
For some reason I just can't make a damn run to the final table. It is so frustrating...
44th tonight...$173 total...up $142, but I am sick of these so so finishes! I am not normally going to place 3 nights out of 4 and I can't even take advantage once...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
THK
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ID: 464171213
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 10:17
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That is what tournament poker is all about...a lot of losses and then hopefully eventually one big win. At least you are getting in the money and making a couple $$$, you are doing better than most.
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ID: 464171213
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 10:19
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I am going to start a new poker thread...this one is getting a bit long.
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| | | 186 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 464171213
Mon, Aug 08, 2005, 10:27
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Poker Part II
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