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Subject: Yahoo Fantasy Hockey League Draft thread Part 2

  Posted by: philflyboy - [51752415] Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 09:27
other thread was getting a little long so I started a new one
 
1KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 09:32 		From the other thread...
Yeah...Goalies are getting kinda sketchy now. I am glad I got mine.

For the most part, but I'm still surprised that someone with 3 goalies picked up Emery that soon. Further, I'm surprised he went before (censored).
 
2Perm Dude
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 09:57 		Just picking now. Sorry for the delay--both my fax and printer toner went out at the same time, and I appear not to have extra of both. Ah, the joys of home office supply problems...

Toivonen off the table. Was looking at him some time ago. Was he the guy you were referring to KKB?
 
3 KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 10:11 		PD, not exactly. Email me.

mMoses, email me please. I have a trade offer for you.
 
4barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 10:12 		I will admit...

I had to google that last name to find out who the heck he is.

Then I had to add goalie to my google search to find any info...
 
5barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 10:13 		I have a good idea who KKB is thinking about. At least I think I do.
 
6barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 10:19 		I don't think mMoses is around KKB. He left me a queue for his next pick. He replied to an email I sent him a little while ago though, mmoses@telus.net
 
7R9
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 10:38 		The B's are pretty high on Toivonen, but I still bet they sign Raycroft and let Toivo either backup or start at Providence again. Their window of opportunity might only be this year before some of their FA's take off, so no sense in trying to compete with a rookie goalie when you can have one of the better 'tenders in the league. Still a nice risk to take at this stage though, Raycroft and his agent might continue being dumb.
 
8barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 10:39 		I had no idea Raycroft wasn't signed. Is there a good website with a list that shows who is and who isn't signed?
 
9KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 10:54 		R9, email me, please. :)
 
10KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 11:53

TRADE



KKB and PermDude

To PermDude: Olaf Kolzig, G, WAS

To KKB: PD's 12.12 and 13.01
 
11Perm Dude
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 11:55 		confirmed.
 
12KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 11:56 		And yes, Kolzig was the "censored" goalie I was talking about. A #1, for sure. Not the best team in the league, but not the worst, either. He'll certainly see plenty of time between the pipes as he's started no fewer than 63 games since becoming the #1 in WAS. And his career .909 Sv% and 2.56 GAA are like money in the bank.
 
13Perm Dude
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 11:58 		Yeah, I had thought Raycroft was going to sign, but the longer he does the better it looks for the rookie Toivonen.

Certainly in a keeper league Toivonen, who has looked awfully sharp in minor league play, would have been taken a round or two earlier, so this is a shot in the dark. If he plays he's a nice insurance.
 
14barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:00 		RE: 10

That trade will give you too many player picks, for a roster of 21, no?
 
15KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:02 		At this point, yes. But if I have to pick a scrub with my last pick and say, "don't add him to my team," then it's fine.

Still, it's a long draft and there may be more trades to come which could even things out.
 
16barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:04 		that works for me
 
17C.SuperFreak
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:12 		So how does that work for PD? He'll have one spot empty at the start of the season.
 
18The Beezer
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:14 		I'd prefer to keep the number of trades players/picks even. How about throwing in a last round pick?
 
19Perm Dude
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:15 		Yeah--I'll have to pick up a FA at the very end of the draft. I'll wait until everyone has picked, then send a name to barilko6 so he can put in into the Yahoo draft results page.

I may be picking up Messier for all I know. Research is getting tougher and tougher!
 
20barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:28 		Yeah...that might work out best, if KKB throws his last round pick over to PD in the trade. Would that be an acceptable compromise KKB and PD?
 
21KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:53 		Not for me. As I said, there may be more trades down the road. I think it's perfectly acceptable for me to have to dump my last round pick (or some other pick if he goes down with a season-ending injury before the start of the season) and PD to have to add someone post-draft.

There's really no need to keep the players/picks even until we set lineups, particularly when we're only halfway through the draft and there are potential trades available.
 
22KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 12:54 		BTW, the season-ending injury potential is the exact reason I didn't just give over my last round pick. I gave up a #1 starting goalie and got some measure of insurance for my team in return. If anybody else is willing to do that, then I see no reason why they can't have the same insurance, too.
 
23isles72
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 13:01 		getting kinda annoyed with this ....as I keep getting this email every day or so

and he doesnt give me any players

please take me off your designated picker list until its fixed pleaee.

''butchie,
You are receiving this e-mail because you are a Designated Picker for
mMoses and it is their turn to pick in the Rotoguru Fantasy Hockey
League League Draft!

To make the pick for mMoses, go to............''
 
24barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 13:01 		Alright, that is fair, since we never stated that all trades had to be for equal picks/players.

That being said, then I think PD's extra pick has to come after all the players are entered, and then after the 3 day waiver period. If he is trading away existing picks and then needs to pick up a free agent, then that free agent has to be equally available to anyone else who wants a free agent, should someone want to drop a player they already picked...thus going by our waiver priority.
 
25barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 13:06 		I always pick for Moses before you get here though Butchie! I've made his last 4 picks for him.
 
26Perm Dude
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 13:07 		I think the proposal in #24 is fair. KKB wouldn't be able to use his last pick anyway.
 
27KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 13:20 		I agree, #24 is fair.

PD, technically, I can use my last pick in the draft software, but I would need to designate a player not to be added to my roster after the draft is complete and before the players are entered into Yahoo. Whether that's the player I select in the last round or some other player will remain to be seen.
 
28philflyboy
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 13:22 		man I go to lunch and miss all kinds of stuff. Trade is fair to me I was surprised at how long Kolzig was around too. I was torn between him and Bondra when I made my last pick.
 
29Perm Dude
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 13:23 		Interesting--I didn't realize you had that kind of flexibility. Useful to know if a pick turns out to be a bust and you manage to trade for an extra pick.
 
30C.SuperFreak
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 14:12 		I wasn't surprised about Kolzig. No doubt he's a good goalie, but the team in front of him has to help him out. It'll be another long cold wintery season for Caps fans.

That being said, 4 straight picks for KKB...Nice deal.

I can't believe Weight went to the beezer at 11.05. 1st line center lasts until the 11th round. Nice pick.
 
31wolfer
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 16:49 		Actually there are a couple of first line centers still out there.
 
32The Beezer
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 17:29 		Yeah, there are a couple more out there that will be good pickups for someone. Still really happy to have grabbed Weight there.

Olie is great insurance on the bench and was the last of the starter-worthy goalies on my board.

And BTW I'll throw in that #24's proposal is fine by me too.
 
33C.SuperFreak
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 17:54 		Pre-season gets underway tonight.
 
34C.SuperFreak
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 18:12 		here you go Barilko:
Bruins netminder Andrew Raycroft finally came to contract terms this afternoon, agreeing to a one-year deal for approximately $1.2 million
 
35barilko6
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 18:22 		I don't have him...I was actually ok with him not being signed! lol
 
36The Dienasty
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 19:14 		#24 sounds good to me.
 
37Hubble
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      Fri, Sep 16, 2005, 19:20 		nice news for Raycroft... but between me and you, not really surprising...

as for Emery, i have to explain myself... and it comes with some apologies too.

I woke up at 5am every morning this week and would come home at 11pm, did go online for about 10 minutes before going to sleep (much needed!). In that 10 minutes i had to check my mails, set-up my fantasy teams (currently looking very good in RIBC-AAA, lead by 14 points! and the first week of RIFC-AAA) and make my picks in here.

Obviously, the cheat sheet i took time to devlop is of no-use because its not updated with the picks made this week and frankly, i had no time to update it. So i picked based on the guys i wanted instead of the best value avalaible. Picks 6 to 10 might have been taken early.

So again i would like to apologies for me slowing the draft, it is definitly not in my habits to do so.

Secondly i will humbly admit that Emery is a very very long shot. He is 100% very high risk/high reward pick. The fact is that he will probably start about 20 games... I will try to start him then. Since he plays in Ottawa (i'm in Montreal) i can read in paper if he is going to be starting instead of rolling the dice. Also, considering what was left on the board (a whole lot of good players!) and considering the importance IMHO of goalies vs skaters in this scoring system i don't think it is such a bad pick. Let's say it could turn out all right if Hasek gets injured :)

I would take Emery over Kolzig every day, i was way more surprised to see Weight, Zubov, Kubina and Arnott still available.

sorry again...
 
38The Beezer
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      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 13:48 		Drafted for R9. Got a stop sign because Boynton is not listed on the Bruins roster page at Yahoo! even though he is in the player rankings.
 
39R9
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      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 19:50 		Yeah, most likely because he isn't signed yet. I took a small gamble that they'll get something done. Last week their GM actually said a deal should be done soon...
 
40philflyboy
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      Sat, Sep 17, 2005, 20:27 		we did get an auto email from Kafenatid saying it would be a 4 hour pick time
 
41Little M
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      Sun, Sep 18, 2005, 14:55 		butchie and KKB,

Yahoo has T. Ruutu as a Center, not RW.
 
42isles72
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      Sun, Sep 18, 2005, 18:39 		lil m , I've been using my hockey news mag for the positions .

so if I end up with too many centers or rw'ers or what have you -I'll put the fire out , somehow , someway

 
43KrazyKoalaBears
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      Sun, Sep 18, 2005, 21:57 		Positions don't really matter too much. More than anything, they only help to see how a team is being filled. As isles72 pointed out, if he ends up with too many C's or RW's, I'm sure he'll figure it out.

That said, people should check out a player's position in the fantasy game because I've seen more than a few publications/web sites that have positions all messed up. You wouldn't want to end up with 12 C's, when you thought you drafted 4 C's and 4 RW's and 4 LW's. ;)

Seems like the year off has everybody scrambling to catch up.
 
44The Dienasty
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 07:57 		37
Looks like we both have a vested interest in Hasek's health. ;-)


I have a question regarding trades. Is it a common practice in these types of pools to negotiate trades "behind closed doors" and then annouce it here? Or are trade proposals more often done in the open in forums like this and the Yahoo board?
 
45barilko6
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 08:03 		Either way works I would say Dienesty...

With posted proposals, you might get a better coutner offer, however some managers might want to keep things quiet. It all depends on the 2 people talking I guess.

That being said...I am always open to talk trade for picks and/or players!
 
46mMoses
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 08:04 		Right, negotiations behind closed doors. I don't believe you'd generally have to announce your trade, with the exception being during the draft. When the season has already started, Yahoo will announce the trade for you on their site. However, it's often a practice for the managers to post a rationale for the trade - much like in the draft rationale, I suppose.

I think that's about right...
Note from Underground,
mMoses
 
47barilko6
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 08:55 		mMoses...

You are lucky you picked when you did, I was about a minute behind you with your queue...lol
 
48mMoses
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 09:06 		barilko:
lol

I woulda been fine with the player left on my queue as well. I just figured with Lehtonen showing up to camp out of shape, and then pulling his hammy, that perhaps Dunham might get me some games for a month or two.
 
49KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 09:11 		I think the most common practice for trades is to say, "I'm looking for ___ help and willing to give up ___." From there, I would assume it's mostly "behind closed doors" so you can maximize the value of the trade. The particular trade I made was mostly "behind closed doors" from the beginning because Kolzig hadn't been drafted at that point. I don't like discussing players who haven't been drafted.
 
50barilko6
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 09:15 		Yeah...

I think Dunham is a great risk/reward potential pick. Lehtonen is pretty much young and untested at the NHL level, save for a short stint at the end of last year, which he did excel in.

At this point there are so many different players who could be picked at anytime, its getting interesting.
 
51KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 09:28 		pfb, I noticed you haven't put the trade into On The Clock yet. If you're not sure how, I can process it. Just let me know.
 
52philflyboy
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 10:12 		KKB-to be honest I forgot I had to do it. If you could I would appreciate it. Thanks
 
53KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 10:53 		No problem. Consider it done. :)
 
54KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:19 		It'd be REALLY nice if butchie picked before I have to leave for the day...
 
55isles72
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:35 		I'm comin , hold your hat !
 
56KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:40 		LOL! Thanks! It'll be your turn in a jiffy.
 
57Hubble
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:46 		Good pick of Eric Staal...
 
58barilko6
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:48 		That was a good response time to KKB's request

KKB, you have 4 straight picks right? So Isles, get ready to go again!
 
59barilko6
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:50 		Dang...

Leopold and Hartnell were two guys i was really looking at getting.
 
60KrazyKoalaBears
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:53 		Wow! I have to admit. That was kind of fun.
 
61mMoses
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:53 		4 picks in a row sounds like a blast, for sure. :P

>jealous<
 
62isles72
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:54 		I'm very pleased to have snagged Malone and Bell ....

 
63mMoses
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:56 		barilko:

I'm here for my pick. So, don't rush with my queue, please. :)

mMoses
 
64wolfer
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 11:57 		Re 57

I thought so too.....
 
65barilko6
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 13:23 		I am heading out of the office around 2, if Dienesty hasn't picked yet, I am going to need to leave a queue. Any takers?
 
66 mMoses
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 13:34 		You could send me the queue, but I have to leave in a few hours myself. After that, I'm gone for the day for work.

lemme know,
mMoses
 
67mMoses
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 14:07 		re 65-66:

I gotta head. You haven't sent a queue yet, either way. But just lettin' ya know, in case you were about to or somethin'. Heh, ttyl~

mMoses
 
68 philflyboy
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 14:16 		normally around and you can always leave a queue just let me know here so I can keep an eye out for it
 
69barilko6
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 14:17 		haha, no, I will just cheeck when I get home.

I will be back before 5, which is close to the clock timer, so its all good
 
70The Dienasty
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 18:20 		Just got home, sorry bout the wait, long day.


Saw that barilko had taken one of the players i was looking at, so that made my pick easier.


Four solid picks in a row for KKB...
 
71philflyboy
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 19:33 		here we go again. I guess he will time out tomorrow morning sometime if he doesn't pick tonight.
 
72Hubble
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      Mon, Sep 19, 2005, 20:35 		RE:71

i will contain myself and won't reply...

i'll just say for your information that i did send a Q this afternoon in case it would come to me...

 
73C.SuperFreak
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 01:22 		WOW!!
Just read the headline at TSN.ca.

Red Wings general manager Ken Holland has indicated that restricted free agent Pavel Datsyuk will likely re-join the team in the coming week. Datsyuk, who was involved in a contract dispute with the team during the offseason, signed a one-year contract with Russian Club Avangard Omsk on September 5....


 
74The Dienasty
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 02:17 		9.06 Pavel Datsyuk C DET


Can we all safely agree that that's the steal of the draft? ;-)
 
75The Dienasty
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:27 		I've sent barilko a round 14 queue so i don't hold things up again.

* Barilko, the queue's not long enough to fill the gap, so if it's depleted by the time my pick rolls around, then ill make the selection, late or not. If i do pop up here before it's my turn and i decide to pick, ill let you know


Thanks, as usual.
 
76The Dienasty
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:49 		I've sent a new, revised queue, barilko. Please use the second one.
 
77C.SuperFreak
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:49 		Heads up: I've got to head out and drop the kids off and daycare/school. I'll be back in an hour.

Sorry for the delay.
 
78barilko6
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 09:50 		Alright...

I have a queue from Dienesty and Moses...since I pick ahead of you both, I will check it after I make my own selection.

 
79Perm Dude
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 12:27 		I just made the wrong selection for R9. I'm emailing you B to see if you can change the pick.

pd
 
80barilko6
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 12:45 		re 79:

That is sometimes what happens when we try to speed things up with queues, mistakes happen, so I am totally ok with changing it.

Sent you an email copying PFB, who is looking after the Kafenatid site.
 
81 philflyboy
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 12:47 		no email received
 
82Little M
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 12:57 		C.Superfreak,

Patrice Bergeron is a center on Yahoo. As was pointed out above, this is no big deal, but I wanted to let you know that you have five centers.
 
83Perm Dude
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 13:00 		pfb: Basically, R9 gave a two-man queue for round 13, and a one man queue for round 14. He got his #1 guy for round 13, and his round 14 guy was taken. I accidently took his #2 pick for round 13, not realizing he'd broken it out by round. In other words, I messed up.

If possible, I'd like R9 to chime in with his round 14 pick and have you change it in the draft. And we should pause until that time, since we would have had to wait anyway since his queue was exhausted.
 
84Perm Dude
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 13:02 		but I don't think we should wait more than the 6 hours he would be allotted anyway to make the pick.

In the meantime, please don't draft until we get r9's round 14 pick.
 
85barilko6
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 13:03 		re 81...

I sent it to your phillyflyboy address you posted in an earlier thread.

It just explained what PermDude laid out there...
 
86barilko6
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 13:04 		Does Yahoo change hockey positions over the year like they do with baseball and basketball?

I think Hockey might be harder to gauge who is playing what...
 
87philflyboy
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 13:46 		email received that is why you don't post 3 email addresses on one page. I checked the other 2. I can not change the pick but I can get KKB too. I will wait to hear what R9 wants to do first.
 
88KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 14:02 		pfb, 2 things.

You can actually stop the draft if we want to wait for R9. Just go to Admin > Stop League Draft. Go to the same place to restart when we're ready.

Second, to change the name of a player drafted, just click on the manager's name, then click on the player's name. As admin, you should have the ability to edit everything about the pick.

And, of course, I can do all the above. ;)
 
89C.SuperFreak
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 14:14 		Thanks Little M. I'm aware of the situation. I was using the information from a source other than cbs, yahoo! and all the rest of the websites that list him at center. Hopefully the information that he might play RW will hold true-but i doubt it. I'd hate to see him drop to 3rd line center status.

If not I'm sure I'll work out my center glut one way or another.
 
90philflyboy
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 14:36 		Draft is stopped until we here from R9.

Tricky KKB on how to change the name of a draft pick ;)
 
91barilko6
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 14:41 		Hey guys...

can you change my Patrick Lalime selection...I think I made a mistake. It was supposed to read Martin Brodeur.
 
92KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 16:30 		pfb, yeah, only the admin's have that control. The managers in the draft can only edit position of their own picks.
 
93R9
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 17:28 		Just got in, I'll post my pick in a bit. Thanks for waiting.
 
94R9
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 17:36 		You guys are going to hate me for this... but with Patrice gone and Ilya looking a little iffy to sign, I'm going to stick with Bure. We can resume anytime you guys wish. Sorry for the holdup, and thanks for pausing! :)
 
95C.SuperFreak
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      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 17:53 		No worries. Better to be sure than to start a controversy.
 
96The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 18:12 		Looks like Hejduk is out for the first couple of weeks: LINK

Well im back, no need to pick for me, for now, barilko.

Let's start that thing back up!
 
97The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 19:09 		Since the clock was stopped, shouldn't we wait for tommyd?
 
98philflyboy
      ID: 127332712
      Tue, Sep 20, 2005, 19:14 		yes I will give him some time to pick. I will make my pick at 9:00 est unless he makes his pick before then.
 
99barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 08:16 		I just picked...

I have a queue for Dienesty and mMoses, but Dienesty mentioned for me to wait on his queue, so I will let him pick.
 
100The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 08:22 		I'm around, will pick before 6pst/9est.
 
101The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 09:00 		Picked.


barilko, ill probably have another abbreviated queue sent to you shortly for 15.07, as it seems it usually comes back around back to me sometime early in the afternoon, and im most often unable to pick at that time.
 
102barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 09:53 		Wow...

If this was 1999, my defense would rule!

lol...wait...it isn't.
 
103philflyboy
      ID: 51752415
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 11:34 		things have gone better with the picks but I still wouldn't mind it going to a 4 hour clock. I will be away the weekend of the 30th and would like to be done by then if we can.
 
104barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 15:00 		Things are going fairly well...but I wouldn't be opposed to a 4 hour clock either, just to make sure things wrap up in a decent time.

That being said, I am away from the computer all day tomorrow, and I have a queue for both Butchie and mMoses. I definately will get Butchie's pick in before then, but mMoses, and my own picks, will most likely fall sometime tomorrow, so we shall see.
 
105mMoses
      ID: 51115143
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 15:39 		Datsyuk signed for 2 seasons with Detroit. Risk looking like it could pay off.
 
106The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 22:30 		I don't mind moving to a 4 (or 5) hour clock.
 
107The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 22:33 		4 hours works for me too.
 
108R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 22:49 		Same here. Next week and on my school schedule gets pretty busy, so I would like to finish things soon as well.
 
109KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 38372019
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 22:49 		Sorry for the delay all! Had a meeting that went WAY past its time. I'll pick within 5 minutes.
 
110KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 38372019
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 23:01 		All, I seriously seriously apologize for the delay. I was supposed to have a meeting that was going to be a quickie. In and out. Next thing I know, it grows to 3 hours and then includes dinner and I'm not getting home until 10pm. Had I know, I most certainly would have left a queue. Again, my apologies to all.
 
111The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Sep 21, 2005, 23:02 		No problem. I left a queue with two people today and I still nearly timed out, so I think a lot of folks are having trouble getting picks in.
 
112The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 06:17 		What happens to players who are drafted but not listed in Yahoo? Is it customary for them to add the players sometime before the season starts? Or after they've played a game?
 
113barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 07:01 		re: 112

Yahoo might add them prior to the start of the season, and if not, then you have to have a placeholder player on your roster if you want to maintain control of your player.

Example: mMoses picked Jeff Carter, who isn't listed yet on the Yahoo Fantasy Hockey. If mMoses wants to keep Carter, and he doesn't get called up until October, mMoses has to announce his intentions on a designated thread, and then leave an empty roster spot on his team until he can put Carter into it.


 
114barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 07:02 		I am gone all day today, and I can leave a queue preferably with someone above me.

The problem is, mMoses left me a queue as well. So if you are still around mMoses, send the queue to someone else if you can!

Thanks man
 
115 philflyboy
      ID: 51752415
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 07:13 		I will be around all day and can take queue's hope that helps
 
116barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 07:39 		Alright...

Thanks PFB, queue sent!
 
117mMoses
      ID: 51115143
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 07:40 		I'm around. I just sent the queue in case I was out for breakfast or something.

thanks barilko,
mMoses
 
118The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 08:15 		113


I forgot about the placeholder scenario that was discussed earlier, thanks for clearing that up.
 
119KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 09:12 		To expand on 113, generally a retired player is put on the person's team as the placeholder as it's much easier to track than to track whether or not the manager is keeping an open roster spot. If the manager drops said retired player before picking up the drafted player, then they lose the rights to the drafted player when the drafted player becomes available in Yahoo. If, however, they keep the retired player, then when the drafted player becomes available, they make the swap of retired player for drafted player.

This is the way it's been done in RIBC and it works like a charm. It prevents requiring people to announce their intentions or anything like that. Just keep an eye on the retired player with the "NA" next to their name.
 
120philflyboy
      ID: 51752415
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 11:12 		Seems like we have alot in agreement over the 4 hour clock. I will be moving the clock to a 4 hour time limit at 4:00 pm est today. that is a 5 hour notice for people.
 
121R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 11:37 		Queue sent to PD, KKB and Beezer as usual.
 
122Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 11:38 		Got it, thanks.
 
123Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 12:50 		I will be away from my computer until around 5pm.
Is anyone around for a queue?
 
124Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 13:05 		I am heading out now.
I will send a queue to Perm Dude, because he has a queue for R9.
Otherwise, I will be back around 5pm.
 
125Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 13:16 		I'll be around. I'm on the phone a lot today, but in the office.
 
126C.SuperFreak
      ID: 53771616
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 14:44 		For what it's worth with the current pace we should be finished sometime next Friday.
 
127Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 16:51 		Little M specified that his queue was for round 15 only, so we'll have to wait until his return for his round 16 pick. Moved right along there, however.
 
128C.SuperFreak
      ID: 53771616
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 16:54 		I'm sure he'll be okay if you draft Adam Deadmarsh for him. ;)
 
129Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 17:19 		Hey, let's not start rumors like that. I am already paranoid about picking someone that has retired.
 
130The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 18:15 		pfb, you have mail.
 
131philflyboy
      ID: 51752415
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 19:21 		Dienasty-email read and very tempting but I think I will pass. Quite the offer though
 
132The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 19:52 		No harm done in trying, might i add, a fine pick that was.
 
133philflyboy
      ID: 127332712
      Thu, Sep 22, 2005, 19:58 		I figured you liked it with the offer you made. I liked it too hopefully it comes through
 
134The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 11:54 		1 player queue sent to barilko for round 17.
 
135barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 12:14 		Got it Die.

I also thought I had a queue from Butchie, but it was for the last round, so hopefully he doesn't time out.

 
136Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 12:36 		butchie said that he would be back home around 12;30 eastern time, so he should be picking soon.
 
137Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 16:43 		Anyone around for a queue?

I will be leaving in about 15 minutes and will be gone for the night. there are still six teams to pick before me, but hopefully we will get on a roll after mMoses times out and I don't want to hold things up. Otherwise, I will pick sometime tomorrow.
 
138 Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 16:45 		send it over
 
139Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 16:56 		Thanks, PD.

A short queue has been sent. Hopefully one of them will survive to me.
 
140The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 17:53 		Made my pick, thanks anyways, barilko.
 
141isles72
      ID: 395412514
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 18:30 		barilko added me as a designated picker - but i'm just getting blank ques's from him..oh well
 
142barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 19:02 		Sorry all...

Got caught up in beers...I mean work.

Just made my pick.
 
143C.SuperFreak
      ID: 348481816
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 23:10 		Well that's frustrating. I'll check back tomorrow evening.
 
144barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Fri, Sep 23, 2005, 23:52 		Definately...

If I could have picked one minute earlier, Hubble would have timed out at 11 and we could be picking right now.
 
145The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 07:16 		mMoses with a potential super sleeper on his hands... High risk/High reward. I like it.
 
146mMoses
      ID: 51115143
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 08:02 		145:

If he can stick on that line (Spezza/Hossa), he should be just fine and dandy. Coach says, 'but who is going to play D?' and Spezza says 'who needs D if we have it in their zone the whole time?'

Coach usually wins out, but hopefully I get lucky and Spezza wins this argument.
 
147philflyboy
      ID: 127332712
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 15:40 		In my opinion after 24 hours he should be skipped. any other thoughts out there?
 
148Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 16:10 		Yikes it's been awhile. Sent him an email just in case he didn't notice he was up.
 
149The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 18:02 		How long was the wait last time? I'd like to get moving again also...
 
150philflyboy
      ID: 51752415
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 19:43 		no idea but over 24 hours
 
151Hubble
      ID: 59562922
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 22:20 		Plz don't bother wait for me anymore... if i havent picked in the first hour, skip my pick... geez...

I was freakin camping... and just simply had no time to post i would be away... i even tried to phone a friend to post on the board not to wait for me... it didn't work... Just to show you how freakin considerate i am, i did drive home tonight to make my pick...

I'm a pretty fast drafter usually... and a fierce competitor. ask around if you don't know me...

Btw, i'm not the one who voted for pause on week-end... i try to be as considerate as possible when drafting... but when i do get blame to hold up the draft twice and the first time i did take time i didn't have to send a Q and the second time its a week-end pause, it's really cheap IMHO...

Now i'm going back camping... and i'm serious, don't wait for me to pick... even if the draft is on pause... Those not happy with my explanation should seriously think about getting a life.
 
152Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 22:22 		I heard Coleman now has a campstove that is wireless broadband ready...

:)

No problems here.
 
153KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 158202318
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 23:14 		In my opinion after 24 hours he should be skipped. any other thoughts out there?

Absolutely not, during a draft pause. It has always been my opinion that the clock and the draft pauses should only be set up to be as long as you're willing to wait for someone. If people only want to give someone 24 hours, then don't set a draft pause and make the clock 24 hours. It's like a football league I was in where everyone agreed on a 6 hour clock, yet those same people started complaining if you took longer than 3 hours to pick. Well, if you want to complain after 3 hours, then set a 3 hour clock. It's that simple.

My personal opinion is that all of us have lives outside of sports and that every consideration should be made for that. Some, if not most, of us have jobs, which requires sleep. Thus, a daily (nighttime) draft pause makes sense. And some, if not most, of us have plans for the weekends, so it makes complete sense to have a weekend draft pause.

As of right now, we're on target to complete the draft on the 1st of October. That's fine and I see no reason to change anything from what it currently is. I know it can be frustrating to wait for someone when you're next on the clock, but often times the best thing to do is to just not pay attention until you get that email stating you're on the clock.
 
154C.SuperFreak
      ID: 348481816
      Sat, Sep 24, 2005, 23:54 		My personal opinion is that all of us have lives outside of sports and that every consideration should be made for that. Some, if not most, of us have jobs, which requires sleep. Thus, a daily (nighttime) draft pause makes sense. And some, if not most, of us have plans for the weekends, so it makes complete sense to have a weekend draft pause.

and don't forget....kids!!!

no, not Trevor Kidd.
 
155isles72
      ID: 395412514
      Sun, Sep 25, 2005, 08:15 		who goes camping in September ?

 
156The Beezer
      ID: 265172712
      Sun, Sep 25, 2005, 08:28 		I'm in complete agreement with #153. I admit I do get annoyed with the long waits as well, but that's my problem and not anyone else's so I'm not going to get on anyone else's case about it.

I'm thinking we should target finishing by 11pm on Friday and if we aren't on pace to do that by 11pm Tuesday, I'd like to see the clock adjusted downward at the end of each day to meet that goal. That will leave some time before the start of the season without cutting it too close.
 
157barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Sun, Sep 25, 2005, 12:17 		For sure...

Things are going well, and its always a little frustrating when you wait, but if we didn't want to wait, we would set up a 24 minute clock.

As it is, things are going well, we only have a few rounds to go, so let the season begin!
 
158Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Sun, Sep 25, 2005, 15:36 		Anyone around for a queue? I will be leaving for the night in about 15-20 minutes.
 
159The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 09:24 		barilko, you've got, surprise, another short queue from me. ;-) I'll be out till mid/late afternoon.
 
160barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 10:14 		Sounds good Die.

I am here until volleyball later tonight, so I am good to queue
 
161philflyboy
      ID: 51752415
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 14:03 		tommyd times out in a few. I will pick right away and hopefully we can move then.
 
162barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 14:23 		the last two picks really have slowed down our momentum...
 
163Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 14:38 		Just picked for Hubble. You're up, B.
 
164barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 14:41 		I don't have a queue from Moses today...hopefully he is around.
 
165Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 14:43 		Got a two-man q from him and just picked. Hopefully the second guy will still be around after it comes around.
 
166mMoses
      ID: 51115143
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 14:46 		The second guy was taken right before me, PD.

I'm around for a few hours. I'll leave another queue with barilko this time. ^^;
 
167barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 15:34 		mMoses...

Don't send it to me, I am leaving in a little bit, and will be leaving a queue myself.

J
 
168C.SuperFreak
      ID: 53771616
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 15:41 		I'll be here for the next 3 hours. After that I'll be checking in frequently.
 
169 philflyboy
      ID: 127332712
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 16:00 		I will be here for the next 3-4 hours if people need to leave a queue
 
170Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 16:10 		Around the corner. Back to KKB.
 
171Hubble
      ID: 59562922
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 19:20 		i'm here... will pick in 15 min. max

btw... i go camping even in winter ! :)
 
172philflyboy
      ID: 127332712
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 19:43 		Hubble for the record I am hoping this draft is done so I can camp this coming weekend. Sorry for yelling last weekend, it is just tough when you have to keep checking only to find it hasn't moved. A short note saying you would be away would have been nice.

Hope you had a great time away!!
 
173Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 19:52 		Well, 15 minutes max has come and gone, so I amd gone as well. Queue sent to C.Superfreak. Hope he doesn't mind, but I have better things to do.
 
174Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Sep 26, 2005, 21:43 		Little M...you have been up for one and one-half hours in the ATHS draft
 
175C.SuperFreak
      ID: 178152622
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 00:19 		LittleM-Received your queue and have been checking in frequently, but it's looking like you might be back to make your pick.

I'm off to bed.

I'll be out on the golf course tomorrow afternoon. I've got my picks ready to go, if it doesn't get back to me by 12pm est I'll send out a queue.
 
176The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 03:40 		Anyone know where tommy's been?


Looking at the grid and seeing how these teams are starting to shakedown, i forsee much work lying ahead to end up on top in April.
 
177barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 08:03 		Yeah....

Tommy has been awol for a long time, missed 2 picks now.
 
178KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 09:32 		Did somebody draft for tommyd? I see he has a Round 18 pick and it was done at 8:36 AM. Not sure if that was today or not. I'm going to send him an alert and see if he just didn't realize that he needed to make 2 picks.
 
179barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 09:47 		No...

He is about to time out on his second pick in a row. Not sure if he is still interested in our draft...
 
180C.SuperFreak
      ID: 53771616
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 09:59 		Is LittleM around? I have a Queue from last night and I don't know whether to use it this morning. I have to run out and drop the kids off at school and should be back around 8:30am mst.
 
181KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 10:32 		Actually, I should have known the first time. The pick is registered as having been made by tommyd, so clearly he's still interested. He probably got the "You're on the Clock" message for his Round 19 pick and just went and made the pick without realizing he had missed his Round 18 pick. I already sent him an email regarding this.
 
182Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 13:10 		Anyone around for a queue?
 
183C.SuperFreak
      ID: 178152622
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 13:38 		I'll draft shortly. Just got back from a few errands.

I'm around for queues. Golf game cancelled-SNOW!!
 
184philflyboy
      ID: 51752415
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 13:45 		I am around if needed for queues
 
185R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 13:57 		My queue is good for my last round pick as well, should it get to me and I'm not here.
 
186Hubble
      ID: 59562922
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 19:07 		I'll be out for few hours... be back around 9pm EST.
 
187tommyd7878
      ID: 16728922
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 19:21 		Sorry guys I've been very busy with work and such, I am still very interested and have made my two picks like KKB said I did nto realize I had timed out on my first pick and that I had to make two.
 
188barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 20:20 		anyone in the bottom half of the draft around to take a queue for me?
 
189philflyboy
      ID: 127332712
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 20:36 		I'm around
 
190The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Tue, Sep 27, 2005, 23:18 		I'll be picking soon.
 
191The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 00:17 		Yahoo's got Matt Cooke listed as a Center... I'm almost positive he's going to be playing as a Left Winger this season in Vancouver, so when can i expect a position update? If any?
 
192mMoses
      ID: 51115143
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 01:17 		191:

I'd guess after the first week, unless they're too busy. Then, maybe two weeks? Perhaps even after the first game... It's a tossup, really. But if he is playing LW instead, it will very likely get changed sooner or later.
 
193Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 01:22 		I think there is a minimum number of games for him to play before Yahoo will change him. I'll check out the rules in the morning and check what the exact number is.
 
194The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 02:34 		I did peruse the "Help" section on the Yahoo page, but they made no mention of what the prerequisite was for the position change.

They did however have this to say, "All position eligibility requests are reviewed by Yahoo! Sports and confirmed with our hockey sources. Due to the nature of the review process, we are unable to comment on each individual player request."

Sounds to me like it's on a request basis... If that's the case, then ill be on thier case early about Cooke.
 
195barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 09:38 		I've spent the last little while entering our present rosters onto our Yahoo teams, but it seems like Yahoo has removed all the retired players.


So instead of having retired players put onto teams as placeholders for rookies not yet in the database, I will pick some very unknown players instead. It shouldn't be a problem, as I foresee all the rookies taken so far being added within the first week.
 
196The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 12:13 		pfb, im going to have to rescind my trade offer, probably before you've even had a chance to see it, lol.
 
197barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 12:19 		Sweet...we are done! (Well at least I am!)

I am entering the teams as we speak, and I can have them done pretty much right after the last pick. The only catch is that KKB needs to tell me who he wants to drop before I can submit them as official.

As for the players not in the database, I will post a list here on this thread of who I put in as substitutes.
 
198KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 13:00 		barilko6, I'll let you know once the draft is complete. I don't want to influence the draft with who I drop.
 
199isles72
      ID: 395412514
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 13:34 		Is that the light at the end of the tunnel I see ?
 
200barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 19:04 		I suggest we don't stop the clock at 9:00 tonight so that we can just run this draft out to the end...We seem to always get stuck on Hubble and Tommy.


That way I can input all the teams tonight, have our 2 day waivers, and still make moves before the first game.

Any thoughts?
 
201Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 19:33 		Sounds good to me. Let's get it done.
 
202KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 158202318
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 20:03 		I suggest we don't stop the clock at 9:00 tonight so that we can just run this draft out to the end...We seem to always get stuck on Hubble and Tommy.

I don't see how that's going to happen at this point given that Hubble has been skipped and Tommy has made his pick.

Further, why penalize the last few managers just because a few people want to finish tonight? Is there seriously THAT big of a difference between finishing tonight and finishing tomorrow morning (if it comes to that)? There will still be time to "input all the teams, have our 2 day waivers, and still make moves before the first game" even if we finish by tomorrow night, which is guaranteed at this point.

Telling those managers at the end of the draft that they don't get the same luxuries as the rest of us just because you feel like it is far from fair.
 
203R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 20:05 		While that is true, there's only 3 of us left and I'm here for the night (and my queue is out there) so if the other two are in the whole thing is moot.
 
204KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 158202318
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 20:11 		Trust me, I don't mind if we finish tonight. But, to simply toss out the rules our draft has used for 20+ rounds just to finish tonight, particularly when it affects managers who clearly can't respond if they need that clock, is completely unfair.
 
205barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Wed, Sep 28, 2005, 22:39 		re 200 and 202

I guess my intent wasn't clear...i am heading out tomorrow for a couple of days and wanted to make sure things were set before I left.
 
206The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 00:18 		Maybe someone else could finish that up for you. That is, if you don't mind passing the login info along to someone else.
 
207R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 13:59 		Good draft everyone, we got done in plenty of time.
 
208C.SuperFreak
      ID: 53771616
      Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 15:02 		sorry for the delay. All done. Let the jockeying begin....
 
209KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 15:52 		Now that the draft is over... drop my last pick, Svatos, please.
 
210The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 18:19 		Will we be doing a recap thread?
 
211The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Thu, Sep 29, 2005, 22:22 		I'm up for that. Since barilko is out for a bit I'll fire one up...
 
212barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Fri, Sep 30, 2005, 09:34 		Hey all...

Got back earlier than expected, so I will have the players entered by noon.
 
213isles72
      ID: 395412514
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 06:04 		can we start ''playin the game now'' ??

as in dropping injured players in favor of healthy ones - like KRONWALL

thanks
 
214R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 07:07 		Teams are loaded in, and waivers is turned on. You can start replacing your duds anytime. :) Anyone looking to trade, I'll be looking for a D and/or a LW if Boynton and/or Kovalchuk persist in their stupidity...
 
215barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 08:32 		Yep...

Trade away...

Let the games begin!
 
216barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 08:33 		ps..

I have too many RW and C's, should anyone be looking to deal
 
217The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 09:09 		Anybody want to take a stab at organizing that Rationale thread? Would also be nice if everyone could finish off the rest of thier entries before the puck gets dropped, and we get underway.
 
218isles72
      ID: 395412514
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 12:35 		I have no time to add why I picked which player and what time of day I did so etc...

sorry man ....
 
219KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 30833018
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 12:45 		From the rationale thread...

The more games he starts the more his awful GAA and SAV% will affect PD's ratios. To me, he's like having a SP in baseball who gets 200 IP of 5.00 ERA 1.40 WHIP. No thanks.

R9, how do you figure that? Here's WAS's W-L-T with Kolzig's corresponding GAA and Sv%

2003: 23-46-10, 2.89, .908
2002: 39-29-8, 2.40, .919
2001: 36-33-11, 2.79, .903
2000: 41-27-10, 2.48, .909
1999: 44-24-12, 2.24, .917
1998: 31-45-6, 2.58, .900
1997: 40-30-12, 2.20, .920

Kolzig is consistently right around his career averages of 2.56 GAA and .909 Sv%, even "last" year when the team was horrible. Obviously, his W total dipped "last" year, but if he can manage 20 W's, a 2.60 GAA, and .910 Sv%, he'll be a solid pick in the 11th round.

Compare it more to someone like Kevin Millwood: 192 IP, 2.86 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, and only 9 Wins.
 
220isles72
      ID: 395412514
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 13:19 		I wouldnt write off the caps or the rangers just yet ....

they might not be all that great on paper - the new rules coupled with the tighter calls from the refs = uncharted waters IMO ....

the caps could very well be a .500 team
 
221Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 13:21 		For what it's worth, I'm not looking for stellar numbers from him, just a large number of consistent starts. I'm not going to win any goalie stats with these guys, but the idea is to keep in the middle on the netminder stats while the offensive guys do their thing.
 
222R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 16:34 		Even if he does what he did in 2003, a 2.89 GAA is awful. Thats like a 5.00 ERA to me. About as far as you can get actually to the AL-leading ERA of Kevin Millwood. ;) More like a Runelvys Hernandez, who got 8 wins (meh) and 87 K's (meh) in 155 IP. His ratios were awful too.

At some point the return on investment is negative, at least when compared to what else could be had, and imho Kolzig could be close to zero there. I think hoping he can get a 2.60 GAA on a worse team then when he got a 2.89 is a tad unrealistic...
 
223Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 16:42 		With the long layoff, it'll be interesting to see how well the teams actually do. My guess is that the goalies are going to have the upper hand early on since offensive timing will need to be rebuilt on some of these teams from scratch. Even lines that have played together haven't done so in a long time.
 
224KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 30833018
      Sat, Oct 01, 2005, 20:26 		Yeah, Millwood was a bad example, but that 2.86 GAA was also the highest of Kolzig's career since he became a full-time starter. I would expect him to be more around the respectable 2.50 again. Their D is young and has some experience, so I would actually expect them to be better than "last" year.

Besides, they're not doing so bad tonight after a game last night (both games against predicted offensive powerhouses). ;)
 
225C.SuperFreak
      ID: 52857309
      Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 01:24 		Well, I received my answer from yahoo regarding players...sort of.

I asked a question regarding about why some players who have played in the league are not in the db while some rookies are.


Hello,

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Fantasy Sports.

Due to NHLPA rules, no rookie or player rejoining the league can be
added to Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Hockey until after he joins the union and
plays a game this season. All players added to the game will be
introduced to the player pool via waivers. Rookies and veterans who are
not in the game will be added to the available player pool as soon as
possible during the season.

There is no set timeframe for the addition of new players, so you may
not see player additions on the day following their NHL debut. To view
the latest additions and position eligibility news, please click the
"Player Adjustments" link from your league overview page.

Thanks for your patience as we update our available player list.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

Regards,

Marshall

Yahoo! Customer Care
 
226The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 01:54 		It would be nice to have Vanek on my team to start things off, but then again, it might be even better if PD didn't have access to Ovechkin for a while ;-)...
 
227mMoses
      ID: 51115143
      Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 06:08 		A quick comment/question:

new/added players will be added to waivers...

is it fair to force these teams to move to waiver priority 14~ to add their -drafted- players?

or will the commish be moving these players onto our teams for us?

drunk q's,
mMoses
 
228barilko6
      ID: 10839137
      Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 08:30 		I can move them onto the rosters and reset the priority list.

My question is...if that is Yahoo's rule on rookies, how did Crosby slip in?
 
229KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 3895626
      Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 09:18 		My question is...if that is Yahoo's rule on rookies, how did Crosby slip in?

Oh, you missed the fine print...

"This rule only applies for rookies not named Crosby, who if we didn't add would result in millions of emails asking why he's not available to draft."

Same reason Smallworld offered ARod at 3B a few years ago and didn't make the same position switch for many other players who were known to be switching positions.
 
230R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 09:27 		"• Most rookies will be unavailable until they have played in at least one professional game. Rookies currently available appear via special agreement."

From the Yahoo homepage, according to Taxman in the ATHS thread.
 
231barilko6
      ID: 07381514
      Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 12:19 		"This rule only applies for rookies not named Crosby, who if we didn't add would result in millions of emails asking why he's not available to draft."


too funny...
 
232Hubble
      ID: 59562922
      Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 18:17 		When i drafted, Daze was listed as RW in yahoo... now he appears to be LW... it kinda ruins my LW/RW situation... oh well, probably one of you guys is in the same situation...

I'd be willing to trade for a RW or/and a D...
Willing to give LW or C...

This can be big trade or small... :)
 
233isles72
      ID: 395412514
      Sat, Oct 08, 2005, 18:30 		how do you like that luongo pick now ??

:0
 
234Hubble
      ID: 59562922
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 00:13 		Shouldnt we start a regular season thread?
 
235The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 06:56 		Check here.
 
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