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| Posted by: DragonsRage
- [5180314] Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 20:35
There are 3 pretty cheap goalies that can have a huge price change if they play well.. iono who to choose to start the year off.
Kari Lehtonen $4.50
Mathieu Garon $4.50
John Grahame $3.23
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| | | 1 | CrazyClowns
ID: 37924214
Sun, Oct 02, 2005, 21:45
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Garon is the starter for sure, nice pick.
Lehtonen seems njured to the groin, so his short-term prospects are kinda unsure.
Graham is dirt cheap and seems to be favored to be the #1 starter over Burke early on.
I picked Garon and Graham myself, freeing some money up front.
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| | | 2 | caribou
ID: 138512912
Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 07:19
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Also.....Dunham at Atlanta !
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| | | 3 | Newfie Gold
ID: 5076267
Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 08:52
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Of those 3, Garon is the only solidified #1.
Lehtonen would have been, but is dealing with an injury now. So Dunham will start in goal for Atlanta at the beginning of the season.
I'm not sure about the Grahame/Burke situation. I can see them splitting time.
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| | | 4 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 13:09
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By the sounds of it, Grahame clearly beat Burke for the job..
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| | | 5 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 13:26
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Lehtonen is sceduled to start games one and three of the season. Dunham will start game two.
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| | | 6 | ZEUS
ID: 5888196
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 13:31
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And you fonud this out how?
:)
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| | | 7 | Horne_Dawg
ID: 1011111620
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 14:05
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Oct 4 Mike Dunham will get the nod to start the Thrashers second game of the season in Washington, coach Bob Hartley told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Recommendation: If you're looking for a cheap goalie win this week Dunham might be your man. Dunham is getting one out of three starts this week and expect him to get around a quarter of Atlanta's starts this season. He's a good goaltender to own, especially if you already have Lehtonen and can afford the bench spot. (Rotowire.com)
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| | | 8 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 14:54
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Post 5.
Sorry, I should have provided a source, but I was in a hurry and forgot. I will attribute my facts, and rumors, in the future.
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| | | 9 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 18:55
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Oct 4 Garon is not the number one goaltender according to the LA Times.
Recommendation: Garon will play either in the season opener in Dallas or the home opener against Phoenix. Coach Andy Murray never gave a specific reason as to why Garon was not the number one goaltender. Garon had been bothered by a sore groin early in training camp, and it wasn't clear if that injury had become worse. His fantasy value takes a hit with this news, but we will keep you updated.
My 2 goalies are now Grahame and Lehtonen
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| | | 10 | smallwhirled
ID: 992338
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 18:58
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I saw that as well and traded Garon as well. Down the road he may be the man, but I don't want to start with him.
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| | | 11 | Garibaldi
ID: 157451717
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 20:36
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And what about Miller in Buffalo?
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| | | 12 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 20:39
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Garon -> Grahame
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| | | 13 | CrazyClowns
ID: 37924214
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 20:43
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With Biron in the picture, forget about Miller.
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| | | 14 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 21:38
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Leighton was just picked up by Buffalo in a trade.
Biron
Miller
Noronen
and now Leighton?
There's GOTTA be another trade comin by Buffalo.
Dienasty, Totorella says Grahame's his man. Grahame is playing behind the defending Stanley Cup Champs. Murray says Garon isn't his man. Garon is playing on a team who didnt even make the playoffs last season.
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| | | 15 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 22:43
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Ira,
I knew all that ;-). That's why i used an arrow to indicate that i had just moved Garon for Grahame on my team.
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| | | 16 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 23:24
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oops lol
I'm used to the '>' being used as 'better than'.
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| | | 17 | caribou
ID: 5595413
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 07:18
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same here, did this move yesterday
Garon > Graham
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| | | 18 | Newfie Gold
ID: 5076267
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 08:13
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Thrashers coach Bob Hartley told reporters that goalie Kari Lehtonen is a rookie-of-the-year candidate. The campaign will begin right away for Lehtonen, whom Hartley tabbed to start the opener Wednesday at Florida and the home opener on Saturday against Washington. Mike Dunham will start Friday at Washington. Lehtonen earned the starts despite being in Hartley's doghouse for the early part of training camp. Yet the coach was persuaded by Lehtonen's 35 saves in his lone preseason appearance in Friday's 3-2 win over Nashville.
-- Atlanta Journal-Constitution
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| | | 19 | Horne_Dawg
ID: 1011111620
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 14:23
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It looks like Pascal Leclaire has stole the starting job in CLB, is anyone taking the risk with a 2.0M Goalie.
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| | | 20 | Horne_Dawg
ID: 1011111620
Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 14:24
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Young Pascal Leclaire, and not Denis, will get the start in net for the Blue Jackets on Wednesday night, the Columbus Dispatch reports.
Recommendation: "We thought after three weeks of camp Pascal has played the best, so we thought we'd give him a chance," coach Gerard Gallant said. While this doesn't mean Denis has lost his spot as the #1 goalie in Columbus, Leclaire is more than talented enough to steal the job if given a chance -- Denis owners will want to get the youngster on their roster immediately, if they haven't done so already. (Rotowire.com)
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| | | 21 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 11:44
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What to so with Lehtonen guys?
Left 1st intermission with groin problems. I heard he's like 15 pounds overweight too..
Conklin is Edmonton's #1.. Then there's also Garon & Dunham..
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| | | 22 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 16:17
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If Lehtonen is out any long period of time, Dunham is a solid pick.
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| | | 23 | Newfie Gold
ID: 23762820
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 20:45
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TSN.ca
10/6/2005 5:00:12 PM
The Atlanta Thrashers have placed goaltender Kari Lehtonen on injured reserve with a groin injury suffered in the first period of Wednesday night's game against Florida.
Lehtonen, who started in the team's season-opener at Florida on Oct. 5, was sidelined after the first period of the game with an injured groin.
Veteran Mike Dunham will start for the Thrashers with Lehtonen on IR.
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| | | 24 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Thu, Oct 06, 2005, 21:06
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hmmm...
Legace...Dunham...Legace..Dunham..
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| | | 25 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 11:51
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Dunham pulled a Lehtonen...
Dunham>Luongo
:)
Apparently Garnett looked great in net last night for Atlanta, so he could be a future steal/money train..
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| | | 26 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:08
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I haven't decided who I will be moving Dunham to.
Atlanta has 2 games in the next seven days, so I don't know about Garnett. If you are willing to burn the trades, he could be picked up for the 2 in 3 and then traded on Sunday, but there are probably better options.
Luongo is a nice pick up if you have the cash.
Cloutier has a nice schedule, but Vancouver has been playing badly, except for the game against Detroit.
Other considerations are Kiprusoff, Roloson, Brodeur.
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| | | 27 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:19
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I wouldnt go to Kiprusoff just yet, Calgary's been playing worse than Vancouver...
Weekes has a real nice schedule if you want to take a chance on the Rangers
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| | | 28 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:20
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I don't see Garnett listed on TSN.
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| | | 29 | samuli
ID: 4593715
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:37
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#27 Weekes is also injured (as per NY Post), Lundqvist will start tonight.
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| | | 30 | Jay-P
ID: 35939614
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 14:59
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What's the deal out in LA? I have Labarbara on one of my teams
and he's been 2-0 with great numbers, which is more than I
expected out of my 500 K goalie... I heard Garon wasn't going to
be the #1
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| | | 31 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:53
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post 9 buddy
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| | | 32 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 20:43
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I can't believe it!
I go to the hottest goalie in the league in Luongo, and he gets pulled after letting in 3 of 15 shots!
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| | | 33 | Jay-P
ID: 376531612
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 00:23
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Yeah but Garon started again tonite... I guess its a tandem in LA... I went to Dunham, he gets injured, I go to Luongo, he gets pulled... Geez maybe Labarbara is worth it, lol!
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| | | 34 | ZEUS
ID: 52956104
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 08:38
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All I know is Grahame is off my team. I dont have patience waiting for that team to come around and I see Burke getting some starts regardless of how well TB fans think Grahame is playing.
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| | | 35 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:21
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I can't figure out what I want to do with Grahame. Gigure would be the guy with the best schedule, but I don't know if I want to spend that kind of money for a goalie. Looking through the cheapies...Miller has a bad sked. You have Labarbara. You have Markkanen. There are a couple others in there too, I'm just not sure which guy I want to settle on.
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| | | 36 | TT
ID: 52715301
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:35
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I say don't touch him for the next week at least. TB plays 3 games in the next 7 days, that's as good as you are gonna get except for Cloutier who is struggling to say the least.
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| | | 37 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:43
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I may wait.
He is heavily owned. After the upcoming B2B, I guarantee you there is a huge selloff. So instead of 7 days, look at it as he can only be held until the 16th at the very latest, IMHO.
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| | | 38 | TT
ID: 52715301
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:46
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Well if you want to look that short term TB plays 2 games in the next 3 days. It is illegal to have a better schedule :). Well I guess not being a back to back would have helped. But TB has already shown earlier that they are not afraid to play Grahame in back-to-back games.
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| | | 39 | TT
ID: 52715301
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:46
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I think it really depends what he does on the 1st day of the back to back.
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| | | 40 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:55
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After the B2B, huge selloff. You heard it here first folks. ;)
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| | | 41 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:03
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I am planning to move Grahame after Sunday's game against Washington. Three days off followed by back to back games against Atlanta and Ottawa and then four more days off, just doesn't look very appealing.
I don't know who I will move to though. Maybe Lundqvist if Weekes is still hurt.
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| | | 42 | TT
ID: 52715301
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:15
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Predicting if someone will lose/gain money is not that difficult. Now predicting whether it is worth it or not is another matter :).
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| | | 43 | ZEUS
ID: 52956104
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 14:07
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Goalies are, to me, difficult to pick this year (aside ferom luongo). It is hard to drop big $$ on a Roberto or a Martin in the early goings...and there really hasnt been anything enticing to grab underneath the high dollar boys. Maybe it is too early but I dont see goalies playing the role they have in the past...especially with the trap gone and the new rules...your best GAA this year may be in the 3.00 range....
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| | | 44 | Tuques
ID: 57854126
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 14:21
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This is going back to what I was saying before the start of the season in this post : link... So what I was seeing as a possible strategy could be a good one after all...
Tuques
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| | | 45 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 17:48
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I still like Labarbera at goalie, if you want to bulk up on offense. He is splitting time, but he could be a decent go-to guy for the big TB gap and then back to grahame.
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| | | 46 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 18:09
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no Grahame, sucks.
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| | | 47 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 20:51
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oh the goalie situation is really really pissing me off
first I go to Luongo. Best goalie in the league.
-27 TSNP. Ok. That's cool. 9 mil. Great.
then I moveny other goalie to Roloson. 6 TSNP. that's less that 1 TSNP per million $ spent.
Beautiful. 15.5 mil on -21 TSNP.
And guess what? Fernandez allows only 1 goal on 27 shots for Minny. Guess whose getting benched next game? That's the 6 and a half million dollar question.
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| | | 48 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 02:18
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Couldn't sleep, so I did a little research on Labarbera.
"The Blue Jackets will be without forward Rick Nash, their top scorer, for two weeks because of an injured right ankle. Jason LaBarbera will start in goal for the Kings; Murray has said at this point that one bad game would not take LaBarbera or Mathieu Garon out of the every-other-game goaltender rotation." - LA Times
That kinda sucks for those of us hoping Lab would take over, but on the flip side he's garanteed a start every 2nd game even if he sucks or Garon does great. Assuming nothing changes in that rotation, it means 4 starts in 18 days or 5 in 24 for Labarbera. Which kinda sucks, given that a team like Florida has 12 games during that span (24 days) and Luongo just might start 'em all. Still, other options like Hasek in Ottawa only have 9 games in 24 days, 3 of which are B2B, so probably only 7 starts at most. I don't see any other options right now out of Grahame (other then Legace who most of us already have) so I might just go this route and freely give up 3-4 goalie starts to use the money up front. Too, I could get lucky and Labs wins the spot outright.
Anyway those are my thoughts on the matter. Where else are you Grahame owners thinking of going?
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| | | 49 | Rick007
ID: 37241310
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 07:22
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Does anyone know when Weekes is supposed to come back? Lundgvist would be a good option for this week...
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| | | 50 | walk
ID: 236779
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 08:48
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Rotoworld says that the NY Post says that Weekes hopes to practice today and play this coming Wed or Thursday. I looked in the Post (online) today and could not find this article, but I trust that it's there, somewhere.
With the 4 in 6 for the rangers, I think Lundqvist will easily get at least 2 of the starts, if not 3. However, one is against Luongo tonight.
- walk
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| | | 51 | caribou
ID: 39946175
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 09:17
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I had the spare $$$, so I went,
Graham > Luongo
I hope it pays off, currently i'm in a slump and having trouble catching up !
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| | | 52 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 16:38
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I went with Labarbera
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| | | 53 | C.SuperFreak
Sustainer
ID: 53771616
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 16:52
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I just need a goalie to hide from the Grahame $$$ losses. My primary focus is on $$$ rather than points. Any suggestions?
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| | | 54 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:06
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Labarbera
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| | | 55 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:09
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I went to a combination of Lundqvist, Legace and Luongo depending on the money available.
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| | | 56 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:20
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Little M,
Hmm, is this your first year playing? You have quite a lot used for D. Just wondering why you'd buy two expensive TB defensemen.
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| | | 57 | Horne_Dawg
ID: 1011111620
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 18:13
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I went with Kipper
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| | | 58 | urkel
ID: 33950610
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 19:24
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I went with Legace, despite all instincts screaming that I'm being a fool for going from one goalie controversy to another one that is sure to boil up in Detroit.
Just didn't have enough money for a better option.
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| | | 59 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 21:31
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This is so bloody frustrating...
I have 15+ mil invested in Luongo and Roloson, and both are either playing like crap, or not playing (Roloson).
I have 2 trades. What do I do? Trade Roloson for Labarbera and hope Luongo can step it up? Trade Luongo and hope Roloson can get some starts and step it up?
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| | | 60 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 21:33
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Kiprusoff, Raycroft, Cloutier all have great schedules..
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| | | 61 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 21:38
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How about don't do anything. You are looking for "future" performance. That said, Roloson and Luongo should still pan out and be worth it in the long run (2 weeksish).
You can't just go out and trade every goalie when he has one bad game. Florida sucks. The Rangers killed them tonight. It could've been 7-0.
Primarily, you need to be using your trades on RV. If your current guy has a good sked, and is not losing money, then he should be held.
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| | | 62 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 22:17
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Agreed, sw. I haven't done much else right, but I haven't wasted any trades on goalies. It's too risky to go for 1-2 games no matter how good the matchup is. I've held Giguere and Cloutier since the start and don't plan to move them for quite awhile unless a money making opportunity comes up.
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| | | 63 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 22:39
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k thanks for the assurance..
I'm just hoping Fernandez doesnt stay hot..
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| | | 64 | smallwhirled
ID: 37929121
Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:18
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Grahame -400K.
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| | | 65 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 00:41
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Well, all the Lundqvist owners look like geniuses. Not a lot of ownership either, so I wonder if there will be a lot of Luongo->Lundqvist moves tomorrow? Of course the Grahame owners (if any are left) will likely follow as well.
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| | | 66 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 02:30
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That's one of the biggest drops ive ever seen in Ultimate... Wow.
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| | | 67 | walk
ID: 5191286
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 06:30
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Yeah, I've never seen a $400k drop, let alone $300k....whoa. I am a huge rangers fan and still did not buy Lundqvist because of what the coach said about Weekes still being the #1 goalie, and Weekes is due back Wed or Thu. So, I figured it'd be a nice $ move, but that it'd be quite short term. Well, +$160k and a shutout is a nice short-term gain! Anyhow, I watched some of the game last nite, and as a fan, it is is refreshing to see a young, fast, energetic team out there, and to see the fans being very supportive. It's been a looooooooong time. I wonder how long it can last? Jagr is also healthy and shooting and his line on the power play is very effective.
- walk
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| | | 68 | Little M
ID: 46881516
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:06
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Re: Post 56
This is my third year playing Ultimate hockey.
I was extremely busy at the beginning of the hockey season and was planning to enter a day late, week late or slow build team, but there were some people who were whining about these strategies. As a result, I quickly entered a team with a full roster for opening day. I did this by first selecting the forwards and goalies that I wanted and spent the remaining cash on defensemen. Since, I had approximately $15 million left, I purchased three mid-priced defensemen that I did not plan to use trades on.
This was not a plan that I would normally have chosen, but given the pressure to enter a full roster prior to the season starting and my lack of time to tweak my roster, I thought that it was the best option.
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| | | 69 | C.SuperFreak
Sustainer
ID: 53771616
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 19:00
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With that kind of drop from Grahame shouldn't we expect to see a similar drop by Legace as well?
Legace is owned by a large group of managers, and he's going into a 3 day break with the cloud of Osgood hanging over his head.
But, on the other hand, Legace has been outstanding and perhaps managers are inclined to hold him over this break.
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| | | 70 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 21:34
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There was a popular trading option for Grahame in Lunquist... I don't see one for Legace right now so id assume a minor hit on Legace, if there's going to be one at all.
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| | | 71 | C.SuperFreak
ID: 509521521
Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 00:12
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Grahame: -320,000
Legace: -80,000
Lundqvist: +210,000
Barbera: +60,000
Raycroft: +50,000
Miller: +40,000
Cujo: +40,000
Markaanen: +40,000
I had 6 trades and used one (yes I know it'll be 2 by the time i move him again) to temporarily moved out of Legace and into Lundqvist strictly for money. I don't think Lundqvist is finished gaining just yet. Probably by game time tomorrow we'll see the last of the acquistions.
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| | | 72 | Die_Habs
ID: 26211512
Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 07:10
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I am sticking with Legace on my teams that have him. Nice money gain though with the trade. I hope to regain any money lost and then some by holding him, plus I like the schedule next week - hopefully osgood takes longer then expected and I get those games in.
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| | | 73 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 09:37
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Legace's schedule does look pretty nice after this little 3 day break, a weird schedule has them in Columbus for 2 games, then they play Chicago 3 times in a row???? strange.
I moved to Lundqvist for the $$$ too, also needed to trim a little cash to afford some other moves I wanted to make. And Osgood should be back on Monday, not really sure how much Legace is gonna play. I can't imagine Osgood would be the #1 though.
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| | | 74 | Ira
ID: 568281417
Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 23:52
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Seriously guys..
Fernandez makes starts twice in a row, and only allows 1 goal each start. 34 saves tonight.
wtf can I do about Roloson?
what a bind.. a 6+ mil bench warmer..
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| | | 75 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 00:12
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Probably just means Roloson is garanteed the next start, unless he's hurt.
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| | | 76 | C.SuperFreak
Sustainer
ID: 53771616
Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 00:24
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4 possibilities:
Vokoun, Hasek, Legace or if he's not leaking money or if he's not injured you should weather the storm in port.
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| | | 77 | The Dienasty
ID: 132591
Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 06:00
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FWIW, I'm almost positive that Roloson's going to start against Vancouver on Tuesday... But hey, nothing with Roloson's starts should be news to anyone seeing as Minni's deployed the a rotation system since the franchises inception.
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