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Subject: Week 3 trades

  Posted by: smallwhirled - [46914248] Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 11:52
I thought I'd start a new trade thread since the original strategy thread was designed for more general things but it turned into a trade thread.

As for the end of week 2...
Bergeron > Crosby today.
 
1smallwhirled
      ID: 46914248
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 11:56 		Murray > Jagr is in the works on Thursday morning for me.
 
2Hockey ljusa sidan
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      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:28 		Kobasew->Jagr
Boyle (DOH!)->Desjardins
 
3The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:30 		Sturm -> Jagr Thursday morning as Jagr dropped just enough to allow it. I'd hate to give up a game to pick up Jagr but I'll do it if I have to.
 
4TT
      ID: 52715301
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:37 		I have Cam Ward to deal with....
 
5Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:47 		I still have Svatos since I used up all my trades on like, Friday.

Should I keep him and let his price die down, or trade him immedietly tomorrow for a money gainer?

I was planning on going
Salo > Desjardins
Hemsky > Jagr
on Thursday
 
6Tuques
      ID: 57854126
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:09 		Thursday morning I'll go Murray => Jagr, can't afford to miss the easy money gain....

Tuques
 
7caribou
      ID: 42933205
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:11 		If still injured.....I will rewind my latest trade :
Gaborik > Jagr
 
8Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 14:27 		According to Yahoo, "Jagr strained his right hip flexor in the first period Saturday night, the NY Post reports". Anyone know how serious this is?

I realize that he is expected to play on Thursday, but how much will it effect his production, if at all?
 
9Wild Vikings
      ID: 339472112
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 14:44 		Gagne-> Jagr probably Thursday
 
10Newfie Gold
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      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 15:37 		Jaromir Jagr, New York Rangers - Jagr, who tweaked his right hip Saturday, skated for most of the hour-long practice yesterday, reports the New York Newsday. He had some treatment afterward and said he felt fine so it can be assumed that he won't miss any game action because of this ailment.

 
11samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 15:42 		Probably going

Cloutier --> Grahame
Svatos --> Jagr

tomorrow but my team is a mess so anything can happen.
 
12TT
      ID: 52715301
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 15:42 		MOST of the hour-long practice is actually pretty good for Jagr's standards. Often times he skates 5 or 10 minutes than if he doesn't feel like playing anymore he takes himself out of practice.
 
13R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 17:02 		Bergeron -> Koivu today
Murray -> Jagr on Thursday

Will consider moving Legace -> Grahame if any info out of Detroit has Osgood starting one of these Chicago games. 1 game in 6 days isn't much of a bargain to me...
 
14The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 19:04 		Bergeron -> Thornton
Cloutier -> Grahame
Lupul -> Williams 10/27
Samsonov -> Jagr 10/27

Haven't decided on what to do with Gagne yet.

That's what ive got on tap for the next while.
 
15The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 21:40 		13:

The Detroit Free Press says that Osgood was told he would start one game this weekend. The beat writer sounded like he wasn't sure he agreed with that, but I'd probably take Osgood's word on it.
 
16urkel
      ID: 289950
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 23:21 		oops, not trading away Bergeron was a a big mistake, -.14, ouch.
 
17Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 00:04 		Whats the deal with Hasek??

Goes up 100K yesterday, and now -90K today??
 
18samuli
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      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 04:50 		All the Sens dropped...
 
19The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 05:06 		Thier loss. More points for me/us.
 
20Wild Vikings
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      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 00:14 		Who are the people picking up Philly players?

That 3 games in 10 days starting after friday scares the crapola outta me.
 
21Dr. Doom
      ID: 232152517
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 00:18 		Not every team is in the same trade situation as you or I am, if you have 8 or 9 trades, now 13 or 14 after the update, why would you not make a trade or 2.
 
22Wild Vikings
      ID: 339472112
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 01:52 		Hey someone tell me what they think of this kind of logic.

I picked up Zhitnik today.
His 3 week schedule is 10 games
His 4 week schedule is 13 games

I am trying to bank a few trades without giving up costing me cash or points in the process.

So I looked through some teams with good 4 week schedules and found zhitnik who averaging close to 40 points per game at a cost of 2.9 million.

The kicker for me is he is not heavily owned, but enough people own him so gravity isnt pulling him down daily.

Thus, there is little risk of him dropping gobs of money as I ride him through his 4 week schedule.

The idea for me here is to grab points from a few roster spots where I have very little risk of losing money should he run into a 3 day break or even a minor injury.

If I can find a few players like this it will free up some trades which I can use on more volatile players that are widely owned.

Perhaps this is just the statement of the obvious, but its been awhile since I've played this and I was wondering if anyone else is using a like strategy.
 
23urkel
      ID: 289950
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 06:58 		picked up Jagr and Lecavalier today on 3 teams.

TB has a great sched in the next 4 weeks, and this week they play ATL twice! Could get some big points!
 
24urkel
      ID: 289950
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 07:00 		Oh and Vikings, you convinced me, I picked up Zhitnik on one of my teams that for some reason I was still holding Ozolinsh on. :0
 
25The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 07:31 		Zhitnik looks like a solid pick if you want the potential for big nights without dishing for the likes of McCabe... I may to look him as an out if Gleason continues to bleed $.

I changed my plans slightly from #14 and picked up Crobsy from Bergeron instead of Big Joe. Now, i can't decide if i want to pick up Lecavalier or Williams from Lupul. Both are solid long term, but vastly different in cost. Getting Vinny won't leave me with much wiggle room in cash, espcially after i get Jagr from Samsonov. I'd have just enough to maybe swing Gagne for Shanny, but then id be left with next to nothing and have tons of cash tied up for the long term. Getting Williams would free up major funds, but id run the risk of missing some potentially huge games on Vin.

Oh how i DIDN'T miss these headache inducing decisions from that year off... ;)
 
26Die_Habs
      ID: 26211512
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 08:08 		Moved in Jagr x3, McCabe x3. and switched lupul and bergeon to williams.

Now that schedules are getting normal (i.e. no 6 game breaks for teams) things should start to get interesting! Lots of differential picks, you have crosby out there, yashin or satan (starting to produce), lighning players, etc. What will happen if the pengiuns and lemieux start producing like we know they can? Should be fun.

Note: Since I know have McCabe, he will definately stink the place up now. -3 tonight! you watch!
 
27caribou
      ID: 42933205
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 09:10 		Question:

Is Bryan Mcabe (TOR) to expensive to jump on to (5.5 $)? and is to early to pick him up ?
 
28Wild Vikings
      ID: 339472112
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 09:38 		#25 Too funny I had to move Lupul myself. I had to go Williams cause I drastically needed the cash for a goalie upgrade.
 
29Die_Habs
      ID: 26211512
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 09:55 		For the next two months, Toronto is tops in games played. 1 - 4 day gaps and 2- 3 day gaps. If the d-men can continue to produce like a stud d-men, I may just hold.

There are always cheap winger or centre options. I will test this out and see how it goes.

If someone is producing, it is never to early to pick them up. However, if he can continue to produce is the real issue.
 
31Ira
      ID: 1902710
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 12:06 		Salo>Desjardins

Hemsky>Jagr today..

I'm likin the way my team is lookin.. I just hope Svatos stops losing like 50K a day
 
32Wild Vikings
      ID: 249162113
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 13:44 		#31 Careful what you wish for, he might drop 150k
 
33C.SuperFreak
      Sustainer
      ID: 53771616
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 17:49 		2 moves.
Jagr (w) and Michalek (d).
Looking at Ozolinsh on my roster was making me ill-he had to go.
Khavanov is next.


 
34DragonsRage
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      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 18:30 		Svatos is going to drop now or in 2-3 days as he plays on sat and then takes a 4 day off and play on thurs.. Go to Williams as soon as you can.. You know for sure Williams money will go up.

 
35C.SuperFreak
      Sustainer
      ID: 53771616
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 18:49 		DragonsRage,
Williams is a Center while Svatos is a Winger.
I'm assuming if you are strapped for cash and playing ultimate the best move is Svatos -> Vorobiev.
 
36samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 18:58 		Staal (has to go in a few days anyway) --> williams

and

Svatos --> Jagr
 
38Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 19:15 		Ok,
Svatos>Vorobiev

2 trades left

Lookin at my roster I can ride all my guys through until atleast 10 days assuming no injury happens.
 
39Die_Habs
      ID: 26211512
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 07:21 		+320k for Jagr. wow.
 
40horne_dawg
      ID: 599472017
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:54 		yeah, and I had a Brain Cramp, and thought I already had him, and went Gaborik --> ZEtt
I had Jagr in Basic NOT ult, what a mistake, cost me my run for the RV. Being at 57.19M I still have a chance but that +320k would of helped lots.
 
41Little M
      ID: 46881516
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:58 		Wondering what teams are planning to do with their Flyers during their weak schedule. I am probably going to go Gagne to Selanne. Maybe Forsberg to Mario, but I haven't decided yet.
 
42Die_Habs
      ID: 26211512
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 15:15 		Hard to say, i really want those games vs. WAS and ATL. I may hold both of them.
 
43R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 15:44 		Probably going to hold Forsberg, I don't see too much losses there. Gagne has to go though. I wouldn't have a good 'in' back to him though, so it may be Gagne -> ? -> Gagne for me. Not too efficient, but the money will probably force me to.
 
44C.SuperFreak
      Sustainer
      ID: 53771616
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 17:53 		Leetch->Boucher. I need to free up a little cash for some future moves.
 
45The Beezer
      ID: 159232816
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 18:23 		A day too late in retrospect, but since Khavanov went into gravity I needed to move him, so I went to Desjardins as a long-term hold. Should have done it weeks ago but I just couldn't bring myself to part with the trade.
 
46Strikers
      ID: 259442819
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 21:50 		Don't quite remember why, but when Zubov went down I decided it would be a good idea to go Zubov --> Pitkanen, as a long term hold. Philly has a good sched, and I liked this kid over Desjardins, who has never produced much in the past. Bit my lip the first couple days, but 111 and 83 in back to back games has got me happy now. Not sure if he's worth picking up at this point, but someone to keep an eye on maybe.
 
47Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 00:20 		I can't believe I took Lindros over Staal.

Hat Trick tonite for Staal, and a helluvalot of money..
 
48The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 01:50 		Thinking about moving Gagne early to Prospal. I like Vinny's chances against Atlanta more than Simon's vs. the Sens...
 
49samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 05:47 		#47 Carolina has 4 straight days off after tonight's bout, picking up Staal yesterday wouldn't have made a lot of sense (unless you can see the future and specifically picked him up for his hatty).

I had him but had to downgrade to Williams in order to be able to afford Jagr from Svatos... In retrospect, probably the right move still but it doesn't feel like that right now.
 
50samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 05:49 		Umm right I figured you probably didn't buy Lindros yesterday. =) My bad.
 
51samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 05:53 		Uhh is everyone really going to drop Salo for Canucks' 3 days of rest? If yes then for whom, I don't see anyone worth a damn playing twice during that time.
 
52The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 06:27 		Tomorrow's performance will play a big role in whether people jump ship or hang on... There are enough alternatives out there to be concerned about a drop regardless, but if he comes out and lays down 100+TSNP (which he is well capable of) then that may swing enough minds to soften the blow considerably. A lot of teams are walking into 3-4 day holes... Tomorrow night could be the busiest trading period yet.
 
53urkel
      ID: 289950
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 08:40 		Darn it, TSN's stats feed has Prospal getting credit for Lecavalier's third period game winning power play goal last night. So instead of the 129 TSNP Lecavalier should be getting, TSN only gave him 74.

:(
 
54CrazyClowns
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      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 11:14 		regarding #48, made the same move this morning. Had to move Gagne anyway after tomorrow. Twice in a row against No-Shields is too good to pass on.
 
55samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 18:01 		Forsberg --> VLC
Gagne --> Prospal

Then on 11/03, Spezza to Foppa & Heatley to Gagne. Works great on paper (but then, dooesn't it always).
 
56TT
      ID: 52715301
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 19:28 		Foppa is who? lol.
 
57Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 23:20 		Forsberg
 
58Wild Vikings
      ID: 339472112
      Sat, Oct 29, 2005, 23:48 		ooooooh Floppa, got it ;)
 
59The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 04:43 		I've had it with my defence... I'm getting killed by dmen who are putting up forward like numbers night in and night out, while im just praying for some SOG from my own. Time to overhaul!

To start things off, Gleason -> Desjardins. Money, money, money.

Salo -> Jackman/Visnovsky. I like Salo, but he's going to lose his ass in $ over the next few days. Going to count my pennies and run. Visnosky has a 3in10 coming up, but i see him as a super long term hold if i do get him now. Jackman has one game over Lubomir in that 10 day span, but i don't see him as a long enough hold. I'll sleep on this one.

Baumgartner -> Liles. No trades left to move Bomber until Wednesday.
 
60bookie
      ID: 33415148
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 10:48 		So today, I'm doing the following:
Baumgartner -> Dejardin
Joey T -> Lupul....

The second trade is to free up enough cash to be able to go Sellane -> Gagne on the 3rd

The other situation that I'm leary of is Legace.. he's very highly owned and I don't want to take a price bloodbath, but with very few games the next 2 days... I'm hoping it won't be ugly
 
61samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 10:58 		Those of you getting Desjardins, aren't you afraid he'll actually lose a ton starting tomorrow? I'm hating to be doing this but I'm looking to replace Salo just because everyone else and their cat will... And not liking what I'm seeing, Desjardins has a piss-poor schedule for a next while, Jackman stands to finish at about -389 in +/- the way his team is playing, McCabe costs an arm, leg and a testicle, Visnovshki's next game is sometime in february it seems and the others I won't even mention. I have Lidström & T. Kaberle as my other 2 d-men and they'll definitely stay.

Damn lemmings (of which I'm a prime example considering my motive of wasting a trade in this manner).
 
62J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 11:27 		Philly's schedule picks up on Thursday. Since there are just 2 games today, 2 games tomorrow, its really not that bad at all. I've already got him and am keeping him. And planning on picking up Gagne again on Thursday.

I'm just pissed for bailing on Staal a day early :(

and The Dienasty using your last trade on a sunday is a very very very very bad idea!!!! Especially since its not an essential trade. You're probably gonna lose alot of money over the next few days because of someone's schedule or an injury. This year more than any other, you CAN NOT go tradeless unless you absolutely have to! People never used to lose 300k in one day before!!!!
 
63John Smith
      ID: 438482812
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 13:33 		Hi guys. I´m playing basic hockey and I´ll have to choose between Vinny Prospal and Henrik Zetterberg. What do you think which one would be the better opinion ? Both players have good schedule, their prizes are almost the same and their gains too and they both have 7 g and 8 a = 15 points. I think Vinny could be maybe the better choise, He is not so widely owned than Zetterberg I think. Well I´m sure I´ll pick the wrong one anyway ;)
 
64simbot
      ID: 16959148
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 14:35 		Anyone considering holding Staal to conserve trades? He'll drop a little, but he's producing at a good enough pace to hold through his 4-day break.
 
66samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 15:29 		Staal will be the biggest loser today. If you have the trades to do it, consider dropping him.
 
67bookie
      ID: 33415148
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 15:38 		with Staal and Gagne and others being so highly owned.. I'm not that worried about Dejardin.. They play the day after trade refresh and I think people will be more concerned with Forwards than Dmen with Limited trades....

John Smith... I'd say in basic I'd be more inclined to get prospal, because of the suspected lower ownership....
 
68bookie
      ID: 33415148
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 15:38 		with Staal and Gagne and others being so highly owned.. I'm not that worried about Dejardin.. They play the day after trade refresh and I think people will be more concerned with Forwards than Dmen with Limited trades....

John Smith... I'd say in basic I'd be more inclined to get prospal, because of the suspected lower ownership....
 
69bookie
      ID: 33415148
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 17:39 		Actually with a closer look, I may actually be agle to get Gagne from Selanne without the Thornton trade.... So I'm going to hold Joey T for now, I'll move him if I do end up needing the cash
 
70The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 17:45 		61

I don't think there's anyway Desjardins is going to drop because of his 3 day break. On the contrary, i believe his value is going to steadily increase over that span, as more managers look to stabilize thier defence for the long term with a cheapie, from cheapies. But i guess well see.

62 J

Funny you mention about holding onto that last trade because of the potential to lose money, because that's the exact reason why im thinking about using it now ;). The only player that really worries me in terms of catching me off guard is Legace. He NEEDS to start his next game, whats more, he needs to at least stay positive in TSNP. His next game is Tuesday vs. Chicago, if he for whatever reason fails to perform, then im sure Babcock will give him a chance to redeem himself thier next game on Thursday. That could drag things out just long enough for me to get to the trade refresh before things get ugly. That's the best, worst case scenario of course.

I've stil got some time to mull this over... You do bring up a good point about the big price swings this year... Quite unusual.
 
71CrazyClowns
      ID: 37924214
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 21:49 		Legace is here to stay.

I dont think Osgood will take his job, not the way Legace has been handling the pipes so far. Maybe will he sit a little more, but thats it.

He still has a good sched coming up (CHI, EDM, PHO, ST-L), so I dont see him taking any kind of financial hit.

Any word on Cloutier's injury yesterday? Auld could be a nice pickup for a while.
 
72Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 22:17 		I don't see how Legace can lose his job.. He's been in that upper tier of goalies in the new NHL with just a few other guys..

top 5 in the league so far
 
73The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 23:06 		I moved Salo for Jackman... This'll be a 2 week experiment, and if it doesn't pan out, ive identified a date to move to Visnovsky. I figured if there was any time to go tradeless early, maybe this was the week to do it, since so few teams are playing over the next couple of days, the risk of injury is minimal.


Hockey gods, please don't punish me.

/pray
 
74Tuques
      ID: 57854126
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:25 		I'm looking at my team this morming, I finally got out of the bottom of my Division and I want to go up...

I have 2 trades in the bank with about 6 millions left to spend...

I want to trade someone to keep my momentum to the top.... Here is my question:

Who would be the best Kippy with is next 4 games at home no B2B but Vancouver twice...

I'm looking a Luongo 1 B2B and all next 4 games on the road...

Tuques
 
75smallwhirled
      ID: 46914248
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:57 		Who are your current 2 goalies?
 
76smallwhirled
      ID: 46914248
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:28 		I asked this because I wonder if it is worth it to go to a goalie here, when, next week there are already a bunch of trades that are accounted for. There are at least 3 trades already accounted for, for most teams. Selling of Heatley/Spezza, and the buy of Gagne. Gotta be ready for all 3 of those moves.
 
77samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:32 		That's 2 trades if Heatley --> Gagne.

Yours,

Mr. Obvious


=)
 
78smallwhirled
      ID: 46914248
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:45 		Or that. ;)

I was thinking of holding Heatley a little longer, we'll see what happens.
 
79R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:46 		Heatley -> Gagne isn't very efficient though, and unless you skip the money Gagne is likely to make you'll lose 2 Heatley games.
 
80samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:51 		But you just don't skip the money at this point.
 
81R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:53 		I agree, I just think its better to use an extra trade to find a way to keep those two Heatley games.
 
82The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:56 		I don't like those games for Ottawa much, though. Buffalo and Tampa have been stout defensively so far and you might not get many points out of the deal.
 
83samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:10 		actually it's the games against Tampa & Islanders you'll miss if switching Heatley to Gagne
 
84Tuques
      ID: 57854126
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:21 		I now have Kippy and Graham...

I'm aware of the sell off comming on Sat for the Ottawa guys, I haven't decided yet who to pick from them (Spezza/Heatly) and I also have 3 Ana guys that will need to go the following day... I have enough trade to do so with the comming refresh... I have 2 in bank now and I was wondering if I should use 1 to go Kippy => Luongo...

Tuques
 
85walk
      ID: 236779
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:33 		Ottowa has a home game against Islanders on Saturday, Nov. 5th, Tuques. Do you mean the Ottowa sell-off on Sunday, the 6th...?

- walk
 
86Tuques
      ID: 57854126
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 13:03 		You got it right walk...

Tuques
 
87Wild Vikings
      ID: 339472112
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 13:52 		Im not waiting for the 5th to roll around on my Ottawa players. I still need to make a ton of cash and my gut tells me that when people get their trades on Wednesday they will look at schedules and see Ottawa plays Thursday then has 1 game in the next week.

Im betting the Ottawa sell off is Thursday night.
 
88Tuques
      ID: 57854126
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:03 		If you're selling off on Thursday night who would you go for!!! Tampa, Vancouver and Dallas all have nice sched I would see Vinny from Spezza and maybe Naslund from Heatly.. On my side I'll probably go Selanne to Gagne on the 5th..... I also have Lupul to sell and I haven't decided yet for who!!!

Tuques
 
89samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:19 		My Spezza/Heatley will turn into Forsberg/Gagne on thursday, just in time to avoid the bleeding as well as catch Philly's matches against Caps and Thrashers.
 
90walk
      ID: 236779
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 15:10 		Boy, I always have a tough time selling players who are hot and who have games...for the sake of beating a sell-off or optimizing on the opponent. I feel like that plan has often backfired on me, either in terms of lost points or an injury that I could have avoided had I played it less aggressively.

On paper, Samuli, your timing makes sense...and I am in the same situation, but am not sure I'm going to sell those Ottowa players before Thursday...maybe they're primed to lose $ after that game, and then they only have that 1 game against NYI before the 4-day layoff, but my gut tells me they will light it up against the Isles and the Isles' inconsistent defense. I dunno. I'd hate to lose big $ with the hold, too, so will likely bail when the crystal ball says so, but I wonder...

- walk
 
91Die_Habs
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      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 15:35 		I am holding and will sell after the NYI game. Heatley and spezza have been to good.
 
92The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 07:36 		You are of course correct samuli - the NYI game is why it's a difficult decision. With Spezza already dropping -20K it will be interesting to see how long folks hold out. I sold Spezza yesterday for Yashin and avoided that - we'll see how the differentiation move works out.

Heatley goes for me after the Buffalo game and will become Ovechkin. I'm still wrestling with when to sell Selanne and pick up Gagne. Selanne has been red-hot and faces two mediocre defenses, while Gagne faces one awful one over Nov. 3-4. It will probably come down to how the money moves today and tomorrow.
 
93Wild Vikings
      ID: 339472112
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 09:02 		I asked my magic 8 ball if it would be a good move to sell off Ottawa players on Thursday.

Response: You may rely on it.

I followed it up with "Will I lose out lots of points from missing the Ottawa Isles game?"

Response: My reply is no.

For good measure I asked the 8 ball if it would lie to me to get back at me for dropping it off my desk just prior to asking these questions.

Response: Outlook Good.


Well, now I dont know what to do.
 
94Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:22 		Which situation looks better to you guys:

Situation A
Hasek to Kiprusoff tonight

Heatley will turn into Gagne
Spezza will turn into Lecavalier


Situation B
Hasek to Grahame either tonite, or when OTT's schedule turns sour...

Heatley will turn into Gagne
Spezza will turn into Forsberg


If I do situation B, I'll have more money left over. Question is: When do I go Hasek to Grahame? Hasek lost another 60K today, but if I trade him to Grahame tonight, Grahame will have to play Ottawa, which scares me, Atlanta, which can get some offence, and Toronto. In that time Hasek plays Islanders, Buffalo, and Tampa..
 
95samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:29 		FWIW, Ray Emery will start tomorrow, as per Ottawa Sun.
 
96Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:22 		hmmmm....
Grahame and Forsberg or Kiprusoff and Lecavalier..
 
97samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:28 		Who do you have as your other centers? I'd aim at getting a hold of Forsberg AND Lecavalier... But then I suck at this game currently and seem to succeed only in building RV. Which in itself is not bad but some points wouldn't hurt.

In short, go by the gut I say. =) Burke is hurt so Grahame has guaranteed starts, and will make money as well.
 
98R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:30 		I'd take the 1st pairing Ira. Actually I already have, I own both. I don't see a whole lot of difference between Grahame and Kiprusoff, besides a cool 5 mil.

You could also go Grahame/Vinny and bank some money for later...
 
99Ira
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      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:32 		samuli, I've got Morrison and Lindros. Both have solid schedule, I got both like a week ago knowing I'd be able to bank trades with their skeds.

I guess I'll go Hasek>Grahame today, and make the next decision later.
 
100samuli
      ID: 4593715
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:50 		Sundin is set to return, does that affect Lindros? Although I guess it'll be quite a while before he's 100%
 
101The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 20:46 		Well J, you called it. Legace's hurt, im tradeless, and to add insult to injury, Jackman's not even playing.

Why was i the only person on Earth who didn't see this coming? :(
 
102urkel
      ID: 289950
      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 21:20 		So who will be the big gainers with Legace hurt? Grahame, Lundqvist, and LaBarbera seeing as he may have just about won the #1 spot in LA?
 
103walk
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      Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 21:52 		Osgood himself might be the right buy; same price as Legace and hot team with a great sched.

- walk
 
104Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 00:13 		Boy am I glad I took Grahame over Kiprusoff *rolls eyes*

Grahame: -29 TSNP
Kiprusoff: 146 TSNP
 
105urkel
      ID: 289950
      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 05:12 		The thing I don't like about Osgood is if Legace comes back after say a week it forces a second trade. I guess that's a good reason to watch the news tomorrow to see what they say about the severity of the injury.
 
106Strikers
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      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 14:29 		I went Legace -> Auld today. Will be very surprised if Legace doesn't lose a ton of RV tonight. Plus I can't see him retaining the #1 spot. At best he'll split time with Osgood.
 
107smallwhirled
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      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 14:50 		Legace > Auld here.
 
108walk
      ID: 236779
      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 15:07 		Legace > Auld 2x.

- walk
 
109Ira
      ID: 568281417
      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 18:17 		Legace>Kiprusoff
 
110R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 18:24 		Legace -> Auld here too. A 500k starter? I like it alot. (even if its only for a week)
 
111The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 23:42 		Of course, a final kick to the groin in an otherwise abysmal week of trading, Visnovsky turns the trick.



I feel sick.
 
112R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 23:58 		I almost went to him today too Dienasty. :( Decided to wait because it wasn't a must-have move and I didn't want to be without trades later in the week. I suppose if another situation like this comes up later next week I'll be glad I held off, but damn. :(
 
113urkel
      ID: 289950
      Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 00:54 		So....

who's picking up Montreal players for their back to back against Buffalo on Friday?

With a veteran like Belfour you can expect them to bounce back after a bad game. But young guys like Biron and Noronen? Their confidence must be shattered.

And Montreal's been playing pretty well lately too.
 
114The Dienasty
      ID: 132591
      Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 01:08 		I couldn't help it, i moved Jackman for Visnovsky... I feel better already by even just having him there, nevermind the points i missed out on. He's a hold until an injury or armageddon erupts, which ever comes first.


Now to start repairing the damage i inlficted last week on my team. Thinking about moving Legace to Osgood, since he is getting the next 3 starts according to the CP. If he makes it to the LOS on Wednesday game as a starter ill be happy. The other options i guess are Auld (short term) and Labarbera (questionable short term sched, still splitting time?).
 
115urkel
      ID: 289950
      Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 08:46 		It's almost too bad Nabokov is coming back... that Nolan Schaefer kid has been doing some pretty solid work over in San Jose.