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Subject: RIHC 2005-06 Draft Discussion

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 12:27
The draft for 2005-06 will officially begin on Wednesday, October 12. Early picks will be enabled beginning a day earlier (Tuesday).

The draft is being hosted at kafenatid.net, using their "On The Clock" software. League managers should access the draft there. After the draft begins, a link will be posted in this thread so that those outside the league can review the draft as well.

The draft will run for 15 rounds, and will snake. Here is the draft order:

1 Dave R
2 Euros
3 slackjawed yokel
4 Skinneej
5 Tosh
6 KnicksFan
7 Mike D
8 Doug
9 hoopsklyce
10 Guru
11 Pacers Rule
12 lionprideguy

The draft will officially start on Wednesday morning, Oct. 12. We will start with an 8 hour clock, but if too much clock is being used, we may have to shorten it during the draft. The draft clock will continue through weekends. There will be a clock moratorium each night from midnight until 7am Eastern time. Picks can continue to be made during the moratorium period, but the clock will be paused. Those picking at the endpoints do not get a double clock. In addition, if anyone is already in arrears for a pick when their next pick is due, they do not necessarily get a second clock period. This will be subject to Commissioner discretion.

When entering a draft pick, please make sure you put the first and last names in the correct boxes. The software will prompt you if it does not recognize a name, but it will allow you to use an unrecognized name if you insist. For example, in one football draft, we had a problem when both Travis Henry and Henry Travis were drafted. Please pay attention to what you're doing.

Our roster configuration will be as follows:
PG, SG, G, G
PF, SF, F, F
C, C
Util, Util
3 bench
2 DL

Yahoo position eligibility will be used throughout the season. You are advised to check the Yahoo league site prior to selecting any player to ensure that you know that player's position eligibility at the start of the season.

You do not need to draft a completely valid roster. You may draft a player who is not currently listed in Yahoo if you wish to reserve that player. After the draft is completed, you may no longer protect any unlisted player, but must simply wait until the player is made available at Yahoo.

Following the draft, all undrafted players will be placed on waivers, and waiver priorities will start out in inverse draft order.

This league will have a limit of 84 games per position. Since there are 2 slots for each of G, F, C, and U, those position slots will be subject to a combined limit of 168 games.

Please refrain from mentioning any undrafted player in this thread. You can this thread to alert others about your availability, to request volunteers to accept a queue, to raise questions about draft rules or mechanics, to solicit trade offers or announce trades, etc.

After two rounds have been completed, I will start a separate thread for draft rationales. We will then try to keep the rationale thread on a 2 round delay.

For drafting purposes, we will not distinguish between PG/SG or PF/SF. A simple G or F will be used. We'll deal with the position distinctions once we get to the Yahoo site.

The draft software allows you to designate any other league manager(s) to make a pick on your behalf. If you submit a queue through the kafenatid site, it will go to your designated manager(s) via email. As Commish, I can automatically make or change a pick for anyone, but I will not get your queues unless you specifically set me up as a designated picker. If you wish to have someone outside the league make picks on your behalf, you will need to provide that person with your id and password. Alternatively, if you authorize it in advance, anyone can post your absentee pick in this thread when it is due, I can enter it at kafenatid.

Any questions?
 
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 12:29 		BTW, note that I pushed back the start of the clock moratorium from 11pm ET to midnight. This is the same as last year, and seemed to work out fine.
 
2Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 12:33 		Let the good times roll........
 
3Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 09:36 		Draft has been activated. Picking today is optional; clock will start tomorrow morning.

Here are links that anyone can use to track the draft:

Draft grid

All picks in sequence
 
4Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 09:41 		Draft has begun. Let the good times roll.
 
5Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 11:24 		Hey that's my line......I was hoping those guys would slide to me at #7....oh well.....

Nice to see things begin. Now I remember what impatience feels like. ;)
 
6Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 11:30 		Mike D, a trade is always an option :)
 
7Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 11:34 		Thought never crossed my mind.... lol
 
8Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 11:35 		Guru activates the draft at 9:36 AM (post 3).

Dave R. makes his first pick at 9:37 AM.
 
9Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 11:36 		After much thought....
 
10Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 12:07 		In my own eagerness to select, i may have notified Dave about the draft starting. 30 seconds after it went live. Whilst he was online. Oh dear.

Still, at least the intitial 2 picks have really spiced things up...Right? Right? Right?
 
11Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 12:22 		And Dave R takes LBJ, perhaps, JUST to keep him from Eurogollum? How spiteful! ;-)
 
12Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 12:25 		The Euros thought this was a keeper league, and that LeBron was theirs again. Talk about pie in the face! They had to settle for KG......
 
13Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 12:46 		Oh yeah, the only way to read this is as the first clear sign of panic from Dave. I mean, taking LBJ first? That's just running scared ;)

Hold on, so let me get this straight - we DON'T have the divine and sole keeper rights on LBJ?? Where's my rulebook....
 
14Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 12:48 		Edgar has it. You guys need to talk more.
 
15Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 16:20 		Reposting here in the proper thread...

LPG, I dropped you an e but it says you're ooo until Thu w/o email access. If that's for real, post something here and I'll call your cell... but if it's just a bs boilerplate message so that people don't hassle you too much while away then I'll look forward to your reply! ;-)
 
16 KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 20:03 		Hoopsklyce or Guru...I am willing to switch 1st and 2nd round picks. Send me an email within the hour if you're interested.
 
17 KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 20:21 		I'll trade with Doug too. If any of you guys don't want to switch picks, can you at least email me so I can make my pick as soon as possible?
 
18Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 20:48 		I have to go out for about an hour, but I might be interested. Hold your pick.
 
19Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 21:26 		KF - I'm back already. Offer sent via email. If you accept, post here and I'll process.
 
20KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 21:40 		***Trade***

KnicksFan trades picks 6 & 19 to Doug

Doug trades picks 8 & 17 to KnicksFan
 
21Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 21:42 		Confirmed. I'll take Kirilenko.
 
22KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 21:45 		Well, at least I sort of got to draft Andrei!

Mike D yerrrr up.
 
23Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 11, 2005, 21:51 		That's who I'd have taken as well.
 
25Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 02:38 		I'd be interested in trading up to the #9 or possibly #10. Either of you interested? We could also swap second round picks and another even round later in the draft.

I'll be at work during the day tomorrow and not sure how much net access I'll have.
 
26LPG in Seattle
      ID: 55948120
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 04:10 		Hey guys - just a quick message so that I'm not MIA as things have changed a little bit:

Great to see the first few picks on the board! I'm on the road for one more day and thought I would have constant internet access up here in Seattle as I did in NorCal, but was really surprised to find that's not the case. Anyway, I'm finally able to log on at 1am here tonight huddled outside a Starbucks (typical Seattle scene) and wanted to check in. I'll be home by tomorrow night and able to be online from them straight through the end of the draft with no interruptions again.

I know my pick hasn't come yet, but I don't want to be absent if anybody needed to get in touch. My sincere apologies to anybody who tried to contact me in the last 24 hours when I was unexpectedly out of reach (Doug, the beer is on me!). Since my picks are coming up soon, I'm going to narrow it down tonight and be ready to pick either tomorrow morning, if it's my turn, or leave a queue with someone for the afternoon while I'm traveling between cities and airports, so that I don't hold anything up.

Sorry again for the very unexpected change in travel and plans. I'll be glad to be back home through the rest of the month beginning tomorrow!
 
27Edgar
      ID: 34938125
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 07:44 		I gues you have some more inside info on Tim's FT progress Mike? Or were you scared by the downfall of Mr. Beast of the Suns?
 
28Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 08:07 		Nah I had to pick before my clock ran out....
 
30Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 09:49 		Dadgone, it Guru. You had to know I was going to take him, else you would have traded picks with me!
 
31Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 10:05 		Get used to it!
 
32hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 11:03 		I hope I don't regret not takin Arenas instead of Wade

I did not see those trade offers until I had picked

For best response on trades email hoopsklyce@comcast.net
 
33Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 11:13 		Lol. Even with the so-called "easy" 1st round picks, most of us feel the same way....eventually, we'll have our answers.....
 
34Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 11:23 		As a Wade drafter at 2.06 of my AA draft, I'm very happy to see him go in round 1!

That being said, I wanted Arenas in that spot too.
 
35Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 12:02 		Just wait. I'll get you back in round 2 ;-)

I can't believe I got wade in the 4th round last year in AA! Hopefully he's worked on his three point shot over the summer and he will pay off as a first round pick this year. Hopefully he can stay injury free too. Arenas, don't let me down. I don't think he went this high in past years, did he?
 
36Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 12:05 		I took Arenas in this league last year at 4.05 (#41). I swore I'd never draft him again.


Just kidding about that last part.
 
37Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 12:28 		It's looking better for me to have internet access at my conference. Probably will be evenings, mostly.
 
38hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 12:37 		what he gains in the three pointer fantasy wise he might lose in fg%

my guess is he has no interest in the three pointer. Anyway there may not be enough room out there for him and Antoine.
 
39Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 12:41 		Well, if he can develop a respectable 3 point shot it will help him beat people off the dribble which is obviously his preference anyway. You're right about FG%. I didn't think of that. I just remember one knock on him was that he didn't have 3 point range. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if he at least makes 50 of them over the course of the year, since that was an identified weakness in his game, and given his exponential growth path thusfar, not much he does will surprise me. He's simply fun to watch.
 
40Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 12:42 		I certainly vote for Wade to continue to ignore the 3. He's good enough as he is, and I love the FG% from his spot.
 
41Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 13:10 		From Rotowire a few days ago:

I ( Wade ) fully expect to hoist up a lot more 3's this year and even some other lower percentage shots. With the big fellow ( Shaq ) camped under the boards to grab the rebounds, I now realize a missed shot is as good as me tossing an assist his way. I got find a way to get the big guy involved and help this team win.



 
42Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 13:15 		I guess you guys should have read the scouting reports a little more closely! LOL
 
43Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 13:50 		Take it with a grain of salt. In March, RotoWire also reported Adam Dunn's stated plan to steal 25 bases this year. He fell short by only 21.
 
44Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 14:06 		Dave R, are you good at playing the dictionary game too?
 
45hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 14:35

Is LPG Sleeping in Seattle
 
46hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 14:39 		and furthermore - what is up with the spelling Dwyane
Took me awhile to draft him - Isn't it normally Dwayne??
 
47Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 15:24 		My guess it that it was a birth certificate mistake.
 
48Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 15:26 		Wonder what happened to lpg? It's now afternoon on the west coast. He was planning to check in this morning and pick or send a short queue.
 
49Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 15:29 		Must be tied up at work or without a connection....if he times out and loses 2 picks that would be a bummer......though I wouldn't think he'd miss too many based on his post.
 
50Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 15:45 		Dunno why he wouldn't have just done a queue last night, given his intermittent access... he was only 4 picks away at that point. Maybe he was too sleepy to draft up a queue, contrary to #45's hypothesis. Narcoleptic in Seattle. =-p
 
51hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 15:53 		47 - I agree it was a birth certificate type
I knew someone name Danniel because of that
 
52KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 16:14 		I am going to leave a queue with Mike D since it looks like I won't be able to pick before Yom Kippur starts. I'll be unavailable from 6 pm tonight until around 7 tomorrow night.
 
53Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 16:19 		Deal
 
54hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 16:30 		I suggest we (Pacers) cut LPG some slack on extra time for his first picks in the event his time expires since he indicated earlier his plans seemed to change in Seattle and he may have some internet issues
 
55KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 16:50 		LPG is picking! Hurry up guys so I can pick before 6 and not give away my entire draft strategy to Mike D.
 
56Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 16:53 		I think you guys need to pick more point guards.
 
57Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 17:20 		KF, did you get my email? Just curious since you are posting here, but I haven't seen a reply... wanted to make sure you had the heads up.
 
58LPG in Seattle
      ID: 55948120
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 17:24 		Thanks guys, I appreciate the help and patience. Finally found a computer here in Seattle - glad to be heading back home where this won't happen again!

Draft on, looking forward to getting to a computer tonight to find out about all the great players I'm going to be heartbroken over missing out on before I get to pick again!
 
59Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 17:51 		Yeah, I know the feeling. I should be picking in a moment. Then I'll watch 20 of the top fantasy players taken before my eyes.
Now....to try and figure out who Guru wants to pick....
 
60Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 18:05 		Nope, I wouldn't have taken Carter.

Instead, I'm stuck in my own version of "Groundhog Day"...
 
61KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 18:12 		Guru and Yao Ming are like Demi and Ashton.
 
62Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 18:21 		I see guru is Demi in this analogy, LOL
 
63Doug @ parents
      ID: 49112252
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 21:46 		My pick is still a couple away but FYI I'm out for the next 2-3 hours.
 
64skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 22:32 		Yeah, when I started considering which players would still be around at pick 2.09, I at first held out that maybe Yao would slip. Then I looked at the draft order and went ahead and pencilled him in at 2.03. ;) I've done the same in the past where I seem to get stuck on a guy each year at about the same position. I won't say who because per my rankings a couple of them are looking like potential 3rd/4th round picks!
 
65Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 12, 2005, 23:01 		This is way fun. I'm so glad we found out about Amare before someone lost a first round pick on him!
 
66 Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 01:13 		I'd really like to trade this pick down this round so that I can move up in round 3... I'll check my inbox in the morning and proceed then if there are no takers. If interested, please include IM info in your email (asuming you use it) so we can expedite negotiations.
 
67Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 01:32 		Guru, it looks like the clock is running during the moratorium period.
 
68Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 03:36 		Yeah, my clock goes until 1:29pm EST if I'm calculating correctly. I'm about to go to sleep now and will be up in about 8 hours to check for potential trades (someone, please?) and/or make a pick.
 
69Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 04:22 		2 Man Queue sent to Guru.
 
70Edgar
      ID: 34938125
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 07:46 		Yeah. Clock is messed up. It is still Doug's turn but kafenatid has made it possible for Tosh to pick already........
 
71Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 08:44 		I don't know why but I can't shake the image of Robot from Lost in Space when he would be having operational problems and his arms would be flailing away.
 
72Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 09:21 		Clock was my fault - I forgot to set the overnight moratorium.

I have paused the clock for now. Doug has until 1:29pm ET to pick or trade. Tosh should wait.

I never received a queue from Tosh.
 
73Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 10:33 		#71 Nice touch, Mike D.

Good news. I got a new laptop yesterday and it's got wireless built in. Our hotel for Sun thru Tues is supposed to have hi-speed internet and I'm assuming it's wireless. As long as I can get on the network, I should be in business. It will probably be evenings when I can access. I'll be unavailable Tuesday evening as I'll be at Pacers vs. Spurs (on the Pacers, thanks Simons!)
 
74hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 11:20 		Pacers - Did you buy a new laptop just for the RIHC draft! Why not.

If they don't have wireless at the hotel you likely can just attach a cable to the computer and access the internet that way.
 
75Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 11:28 		Ha! I'm committed. But not THAT committed :-)
 
76Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 11:43 		OK, pick made... sorry for the delay guys. I just really was hoping to trade the pick and wanted to give it a chance.
 
77Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:00 		I would gladly have taken the pick, but figured there was no way we could make that work given our draft positions.
 
78Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:01 		Not a problem by me, Doug. We seem to be making good progress anyway and working out trades are one reason you have the 8 hour clock to use anyway, right? Too bad you didn't get any takers. Sounds like I could have traded in round one to pick Ivy ahead of Guru if only I would have used email to make the request. I wonder if I still would have been able to pick up Vince if I had to wait a couple more picks in the second round. I think Iverson is going to have another incredible year. There is no PG depth on that team.
 
79 Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:07 		I may be interested in trading up in the third round depending on who's available at your pick. That would get you my #11 pick in the 3rd round and my #2 pick in the 4th round for your 3rd and 4th round picks. If anyone is interested in negotiating terms as the draft progresses, shoot me an email.
 
80Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:23 		I reset the clock. Tosh may now pick - since I still haven't received the queue that was supposedly sent to me.

Tosh - Did you send it to me directly, or did you use the kafenetid queue sender? If the latter, did you first set me up as a designated picker? As Commish, I can make picks without you setting me up that way, but I won't get queues through their system unless you do so.
 
81Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:26 		Pacers Rule - I hope your internet access works, but just in case (I've been disappointed with hotel connections before), you should probably have a phone number for one of us. I can send you mine if you wish.
 
82Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:36 		That'd be cool, just in case, Guru. I did call the hotel and the rep assured me that my room will have a DSL cable I can just plug into my machine and supposedly "voila" instant internet, with no machine settings or configuration necessary :-)
 
83Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:44 		I'm sure the rep. was impressed by your involvement with the RIHC, and is a big fan. ;)
 
84Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 12:57 		Yes, she said she's been lurking for years and it turns out you are one of her heros, Mike. She was hoping we were having a draft party at the hotel so she could meet you. Needless to say, she was pretty disappointed.
 
85Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 13:02 		Hey, whoa, we don't want to disappoint our fans. We would be nothing without them.

We'll have to let Heff know if we decide to move the party though.......Guru books that 2 years in advance.
 
86Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 13:04 		I was able to make my pick. Sorry about the delay. I waited until the bitter end last night, sent my queue to the Guru, and when I got to work this AM, the internet was down.

I sent my queue to "All Available Pickers", which says includes the League Commish. I DID receive the confirmation email I sent to myself, so I assumed that Guru received it.

I bought a new laptop myself a few weeks ago, mostly so that I could draft the RIHC. I'll be in Vegas Friday-Monday, but have access at the rental house.

I need to figure out a few designated pickers that I can send queues to during the travel days (Fri, Mon), and if I plan to be away from the machine during the weekend. If you are at the bottom of the draft, and willing to take a queue, please let me know.
 
87Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 13:51 		I'm available.

Even if it says the League Commish is one of your available pickers, it doesn't seem to work that way. You have to add Guru manually. I got tripped up by that in RIFC at one point, but IIRC it didn't matter since I had other pickers too.
 
88Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 14:01 		Guru does NOT appear in the drop-down menu to add designated pickers. Only ten names appear.
 
89Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 14:03 		If everyone's getting laptops just so they can draft in RIHC, maybe Edgar and myself should re-kindle those ideas of getting a private jet to assist in our daily confabs.

We'd probably still end up picking Boumtje-Boumtje anyway ;)
 
90Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 14:33 		That's gonna mean A LOT of lemonade sales bro.

My strategy is to watch who Dave R. picks, multiply times 3.14, divide by the round and selection we are at, and make my pick. I don't need no stinkin' laptop!
 
91Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 14:39 		Tosh - I didn't realize that my name wasn't in the list. Sounds like a system disconnect. I'll notify KKB.
 
92hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 15:49 		...having recently needing to stay in hotels for three consecutive weeks while adopting my daughter in Russia I am familiar with many hotel internet access issues...
 
93Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 16:06 		Your computer didn't speak russian?
 
94Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 16:07 		Congrats Klyce on the adoption! Must have been quite an experience.
 
95biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 16:13 		Be careful of using the internet in Russian hotels. The KGB has been suspected of stealing passwords and reading emails from Moscow hotels:

Data mining Russian Style

Wouldn't want your AK-47 pick to be misinterpreted. ;)
 
96Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 16:22 		Yeah, ditto on what Mike D said. That's awesome. Tell us about your daughter and how you decided to adopt her?
 
97Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 16:25 		Congrats, hoopsklyce!

Maybe she'll grow up to be another Svetlana Abrosimova!
 
98hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:00 		we have a 7 yr old biological son but could not have a second-

Oxana was born 3/25/04 north of Rostov Russia to a young mother in ill health (she did not pass it on). She went straight from the hospital to the orphanage. She then was transferred to hoopsklyce world headquarters in PA as Anna Morgan Klyce. And yesterday when I got home from my day job she squealed as she toddled across the room to give me a hug. Not bad when she would not let me touch her for the first 5 days.
 
99Species
      Leader
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:18 		Congrats, hoopsklyce. She wins and you win in this deal. All the best.

Now, you guys draft SLOW. Get a freakin' move on!
 
100Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:24 		Awww... that's an awesome story, thanks for sharing it. It's almost enough for me to want to trade Kirilenko to you. Key word being "almost".
 
101hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:30 		when I was in Moscow waiting for my take out dinner one night I caught on the TV the Russian national team playing - I identified the team by seeing Kirilenko. They lost to Greece! Couldn't believe that.
 
102hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:33 		can someone tell skinneej that Marbury was supposed to be on gurus team again-
 
103Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:34 		Let me add my congratulations and best wishes as well, hoopsklyce.

And who is this "Species" who keeps appearing in our thread :)
 
104Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 17:41 		Great story Hoopsklyce!
 
105blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 18:20 		Another outsider: Congrats Hoopsklyce! Good luck to all in the RIHC this year (even Dave R a little...)
 
106Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 18:29 		Not the same without you bro. I had to go to G20 to find you.
 
107 blackjackis21
      Dude
      ID: 034837521
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 18:36 		Did you get my trade offer e-mail Mike D?
 
108Doug @ brother's
      ID: 509181317
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 19:39 		Hey all, I'm on the road at my brother's house... the last few picks went kinda quicker that an expected... so just a heads up in case that keeps up it'll get stuck on me at 3.08. I'm taking my brother's family to the airport shortly, then I have a first date for dinner (wish me luck), so I won't have online access until like 10pm PST (or later depending on just how much "luck" I receive...)
 
109Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 19:44 		I know I mentioned an undrafted player in my rationale, but I figured Amare was fair game as he's already been talked about in this thread, and everyone's aware of his status. I wonder when he would have gone w/o the injury? top 5 or 6, I'd guess...
 
110Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 20:28 		blackjack, no, didn't get it. Odd.

Slackjawed Yokel, I had the same trouble when writing about Nash.
 
111Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 20:37 		I think Amare is fair game for mentioning.
 
112skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 20:52 		Re:102, that was one of my considerations for the pick! I'll detail more in the rationale thread on that pick. In fact, I see I need to go make my 1st round post. I'm stuck working a 12 hour 2nd/3rd shift so my days/nights are a little off. Sorry all for the wait earlier, but I slept in until mid afternoon.
 
113Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 20:57 		Thanks for taking that psycho off the board. Didn't want him and if he was there would have considered him. If he plays really really well, I'll go see him play and throw a beer or two.
 
114skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 21:49 		Ha! I'm expecting big things from him and my over/under for games played is 50 before any suspension. He will be on his best behavior to start the season even if he says he'll play like an animal. From articles I read, this last year really hurt him not being able to play. It was probably the first time in his life he realized there were truly consequences to his actions.
 
115KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 22:16 		That was a tough pick. New team & injury prone, but Hughes is too good to pass on.
 
116Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 22:44 		I will be travelling tomorrow to Vegas. I leave the house approx. 10 AM left coast time, and get plugged back in approx. 5 PM Vegas time.

I will send a queue and rationales to Guru via Kafenatid and email in the morning. I'll probably drop a couple of dollars at the airport and get some wireless access, and if I do, I'll follow the draft and hopefully pick on my own.

I implore everyone to try to get back around to me before morning. I only want to leave a queue for one round (whether it's 4 or 5), and I'd like it to be less than 6-8 names! :-)
 
117KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 22:49 		Doug, you're up in the draft rationale thread.
 
118Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Thu, Oct 13, 2005, 22:57 		I think Doug is preoccupied.
 
119Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 00:03 		*sigh* I figured Ronnie would not make it back to me, and I tried to trade up to get him, but with my draft position, 2.02 was too early for him but 3.11 was too late. Skinneej, I'm very open to trade talks. :-)
 
120Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 00:12 		I'm here and will pick shortly.
 
121Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 09:50 		There goes my queue! (I should be able to settle on someone this a.m.)
 
122hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 09:57 		Interesting move by Guru with 2 of first 3 picks centers!! He is putting the pressure on others and will certainly be getting trade offers.
 
123KnicksFan
      ID: 23741312
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 10:00 		I'm hoping that Van Gundy decides to put Yao at SG and McGrady at C.
 
124Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 10:08 		KKB has changed the draft software so that I can now be selected as a designated picker. This will allow your queues to go to me, if that's your intent.
 
125Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 10:22 		Looks like I'm not going to be able to pick until around lunchtime.
 
126Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 10:28 		You must be a slow typer. ;)
 
127Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:05 		LMAO

As long as his pick in the next round is made before dinner time.....
 
128Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:05 		Yeah, it's this little thing called "work" getting in the way :(
 
129Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:15 		Yeah, he has some things to get done before heading off to next week's boondoggle.
 
130Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:18 		I was confused until I went to Dictionary.com

boon·dog·gle

1. An unnecessary or wasteful project or activity.
 
131Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:20 		Thanks Dave R. for translating. Funny stuff Guru.
 
132Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:40 		I figured boondoggle was a common term. In 20+ years in the insurance/investment business, I certainly experienced my share of them.

Generally associated with a trip to an extravagant site with lush accomodations and little productive work getting done.
 
133LPG at work
      ID: 55948120
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:49 		Hey guys - I'm going to need to leave the office for a few hours for a meeting. I'll leave a queue with Guru so that I don't hold anything up, because it's probably 4-5 hours until I'll be back. Thanks!
 
134Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:55 		I thought boondoggle was common term too... I've heard it used frequently in political and (sadly) military circles. Actually, I think I heard in on a TV drama the other day too... I forget which some, something I had on in the background while researching another round's worth of picks... most likely "Commander in Chief" (political) or "E-Ring" (military).
 
135Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:57 		Thanks for the heads up and for leaving a queue LPG. That means Pacers Rule, once he gets some free time, should be ready to make two picks. PR, feel free to leave a queue for 4.02 with me (or Guru) if you have to get back to work before Guru has a chance to plug in LPG's picks. I think things are moving along nicely at this point.
 
136Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 11:57 		Guru - I have not composed my queue to send to you yet ... but its still on the to-do list. Expect it in about an hour.

Seeing I'm going on a boondoggle to Vegas right now, I like Guru's defintition way more that Dictionary.com.
 
137Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:09 		I received LPG's queue, and the only time I'll be away in the next few hours is about 15 minutes to walk the dog if/when the rain ever tapers off.
 
138Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 12:58 		Fascinating boondoggle discussion :-) Nearing completion of morning project, will have 2 picks within an hour, hopefully. If you guys weren't such good drafters, I wouldn't be having this much trouble!!
 
139Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:10 		Queue sent and emailed to guru.

I'll be back on-line ASAP.
 
140Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:30 		PR - whether we are "good drafters" remains to be seen. We are, however, "similar drafters".
 
141Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:33 		Alright. Made the first pick
 
142Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:34 		BTW, although the dog's currently staring me down, it's still pouring outside, so we aren't going anywhere immediately.
 
143Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:38 		Hilarious. Odom was my next choice.
 
144Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:45 		[piling on]You should have taken Odom first, because Rasheed wasn't on LPG's queue.[/piling on]

;-)

Or maybe I should have used this:

Wou[rub]salt[/rub]nd.

I though the latter might be a bit too unintelligible.
 
145Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 13:56 		Pacers Rule - Are you ready with your rationales for rounds 1/2, or shall I go ahead and insert placeholders?
 
146Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 14:00 		Man, this is painful!!

In a masochistic kind of way.

I almost did go with Odom first and then go with either Rasheed Wallace or Marcus Camby (if one was left) but for some reason I was afraid he would take them both.

then I labored over another 2 players too. Sorry I wasn't quite as prepared as I would have liked to have been. I didn't get hardly anytime yesterday to get ready for this pick and had a full morning of work.

Guru, Go ahead and put place holders in for my pick rationales, as I have another meeting pronto!
 
147Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 14:42 		Just too try and add some salt of my own... you do realize he already had a C, and thus was relatively unlikely to draft 2 more? And even if he did take 2 more Cs, they were unlikely to be the exact 2 you had targeted?

Sorry, just trying my best to add insult to injury. ;-)
 
148Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 14:57 		I guess the proper HTML expression should have been:

The [rub]salt[/rub] wound.

Easier to interpret as well.

 
149KnicksFan
      ID: 23741312
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 14:57 		Rasheed just held a press conference to announce his retirement. I saw it on ESPNews.

Also, I just read an article that says Phil Jackson is going to start Lamar Odom for at least 5 games at each position to see where he fits in best.
 
150Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 15:38 		Thanks guys. I feel your sympathy.
 
151Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 17:42 		And it's Doug that finally had the guts to go Diesel fuelled this season!! Gutsy move, bro.
 
152LPG at work
      ID: 55948120
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 17:46 		Wow, I missed out on a lot while I was away! Don't worry PR, if it helps any I'm still regretting drafting Miller in round two if I had known I would be able to get a C again later. I would have happily left Odom for you if someone else had been kind enough to leave Howard or Rashard Lewis for me, though, so I'll pass the blame :)
 
153Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 18:30 		Yeah, so far Howard is one of my favorite picks.
 
154Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 18:31 		OK, LPG. You want to trade me Miller and Odom. Is that what I heard you saying?
 
155LPG at work
      ID: 55948120
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 19:12 		Haha - soon, I'll probably be ready to trade half my roster as I get more dissatisfied with players after I pick them. I feel like Larry Brown.

I was sort of hoping Dwight Howard might get all the way down to 3.12, but I knew that was a longshot.
 
156Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 19:16 		I'd have taken Howard if he'd have survived to 3.10.
 
157Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 21:17 		Guru - I have arrived in Vegas. I can draft from here on. Thanks!

 
158Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 21:43 		Here and will pick in a minute. I sit at a computer all day dying to pick, and it doesn't get to me until I'm busy at night. Always happens to me.
 
159Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 21:43 		Guru - I sent a new queue and updated rationale. The queue I think is the same order as before.

I'm off to gamble. Thanks!
 
160Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Fri, Oct 14, 2005, 21:49 		I'll stick around for a few minutes so I can plug in my rationale as soon as you post yours Mike (for my pick 2.07)
 
166Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 10:16 		Thanks, Dave R ;-)
 
168Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 10:38 		You're welcome
 
169skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 10:48 		Kurt off the board. I listed him at C since he should have been anyway, and will gain it after 5 games. Maybe a slight reach, but quality centers were slipping and I like his opportunity in Phx.
 
170Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 10:55 		skinneej, dare I say it your team is looking sweet at this point. I was surprised to see him go already but at the same time I was hoping he would end up on my roster this year. I really like your picks so far.
 
172Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 13:26 		I don't understand post 166... although I just noticed there are a few posts missing. Now I feel like I'm the outside of an inside joke. *cry*

I think Slack and Euros got pretty good value for their picks here... but last time I checked J-Rich was a SG with no eligibility at F.
 
173Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 13:38 		Dave R just provided a mini-tutorial on how to code bold text. No joke/sarcasm/taunt this time.
 
174 Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 15:41 		If anyone wants to trade down, I'm up for a swap.
 
176Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 16:38 		Round 5 Queue sent to Guru via Kafenatid and email.
 
177Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 17:34 		good catch, Doug, I'm not sure why I thought he had Richardson had dual eligibility - I must've confused that with Maggette whom I was also considering. In fact the three guys I was debating between went consecutively - dunno if this means if I made the right call or the wrong one. anyways, I switched JRich back to guard only.
 
178Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 18:59 		1-man queue sent to Guru/Klyce since they pick right after me... otherwise I'll need to do some research when I get home tonight.
 
179KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 22:11 		I don't think I've ever drafted a team quite like this one...
 
180Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 22:43 		In what sense, KF? Blocking maniacs?
 
181Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 23:40 		Doug's queue is busted, so we'll have to wait.
 
182Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 00:45 		Guru,
interested in swapping picks with me in this round and the next? I'd also throw in a swap on another even round of your choice.
 
183Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 00:48 		btw, I'm leaving for my trip tomorrow after lunch so I will have less access for a couple days but not no access. I will not have access during the workday, Monday. I will not have much access at all on Tuesday that I know of.
 
184Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 01:09 		Just got back and picked.
 
185KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 030815418
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 02:38 		PR -- yeah they happen to be big shot blockers, but I meant that with my 4th and 5th rounders, I'm working mostly on future potential and not much on past statistics. My team is set up in such a way that either I'll either be fighting for first place or fighting for last place.
 
186 lionprideguy
      ID: 8938131
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 02:51 		For anybody who is feeling restless, I'm open to a couple of different trades right now:

For Klyce, Guru, or PR, I'll swap our next few picks if you want the bookend selections at 5.12 and 6.01. For anybody else, if the above doesn't happen then I'd be willing to trade 6.01 and 7.12 for a pair of middle 6/7 round picks, and depending on what the board looks like once the picks get to me.

I know it's a lot of maybes in there, it's not that I'm trying to be indecisive. But since we're keeping a good pace right now I thought I'd start putting the word out early so that we could make a move quickly if the time comes and the board looks right for it. Email me if anybody is interested. I'm on the west coast and much more of a night owl than a morning person. I'll try and get up by 10am tomorrow, but I know even then it's already 1pm on the east coast, so sorry if it takes me a few minutes to shake off the morning haziness.
 
187Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 10:23 		sorry, LPG, I'm going to have to pass.
 
188Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 11:52 		Guru, why is it that I have this sinking feeling that you're going to do it to me again? ;-)
 
189Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 12:59 		LPG- ditto. I didn't see a trade as offering any value for this turn.
 
190Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:00 		Amazing. Like clockwork.
 
191Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:14 		PR- just remember how thrilled you were to get the 11th pick!
 
192Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:20 		I swear, Guru. When I lose I am blaming you! ;-)

In the future, I think I best not pick right after you.
 
193lionprideguy
      ID: 8938131
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:33 		Haha - no problem, it was Boozer I wanted to trade up to get since I had a feeling he was going to be gone any pick now.

I think I've figured out why I'm always restless with these picks - with so much time between selections, I don't start seriously narrowing down my list until about 3-4 picks before mine. Of course, I then end up getting really excited about someone just out of my reach that gets taken right before me!
 
194Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:42 		My choice came down to Boozer vs. Randolph.
 
195Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:48 		Yeah, I wish you would have gone randolph b/c I wanted Boozer. In fact, I'll trade you straight up and then let you pick in front of me twice later, if you're interested.

I emailed you a 2 man queue, Guru. If LPG takes them both I'll know I'm cursed!

Of course, the fact I sent you my queue and offered you this trade does complicate things a bit if in fact you want one of the guys I am going to take with my next pick. If that's the case, then perhaps we could just swap this one pick (our next one) and let you take your guy and I will get your 5th round pick and you will get mine and call it even.
Gotta pack for my trip!!

 
196Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 13:52 		Nah, I'd prefer to keep Boozer. Statistically, I think they may be close. But Boozer has a better chance of staying out of jail.
 
197lionprideguy
      ID: 8938131
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 14:06 		I'm here and am up right now. With those PF off the board I'm going to try to trade at least one of these picks down, but won't hold things up too long. I'll send out a few offers and if I don't get any responses back in about an hour, I'll move on and pick.
 
198Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 15:53 		Trade: Doug and lpg agree to swap picks in rounds 6, 7, and 8.

Doug gets 6.01, 7.12, 8.01
lionprideguy gets 6.05, 7.08, 8.05
 
199lionprideguy
      ID: 8938131
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:02 		Thanks to everybody for the patience while that was worked out, and for everybody who sent over a response or an offer, I appreciate it.

I've got to step out for about an hour, but I'll be back before I'm up again at 6.05. Thanks!
 
200Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:06 		Doug doing his best to make the draft grid as colorful and confusing as possible :)
 
201Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:11 		Ugh. I had a short list of 4-5 names after my last pick, and I hoped that the intervening picks would help whittle it down. But everyone is still there.

I'll pick within the hour, but I need to flip a few coins...
 
202Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 16:36 		LOL Dave R, I try. Guru and Mike, I'm sending you guys my rationale to post since you pick right before/after me (or did in round 4 anyway).
 
203Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 19:15 		I have my rationales typed out for my 3rd and 4th round picks but I have to wait until later tonight to be able to access them. I'll post them in here when I get a chance.
 
204Pacers Rule@INDY
      ID: 46946127
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 19:38 		Internet access here has been quite a journey so far. The internet is down at my hotel that we chose in part b/c of their high speed internet. They say it is their ISP and there is nothing they can do until it's fixed outside of their control.

Fortunately, the hotel the conference is at has wireless, and I was able to connect to the wireless network after a lengthy proprietary login procedure, but then pages wouldn't load. The hotel staff didn't know how to fix it, so they put ME on the phone with their tech support in another state and come to find out the internet was down at this hotel as well! They said they would try to fix the problem. Fortunately, after a short while, it did work, and I was able to see that lo and behold, both players in my queue made it back to me for my next pick and I got my first choice, Wally World. Guru, I can't help but think my #2 queue player gave Korver a little bump in your rankings :-)
 
205lionprideguy
      ID: 8938131
      Sun, Oct 16, 2005, 21:37 		PR, glad to see you're online again! I certainly feel for you, and I still can't believe how many hotels still have such poor (or no) high-speed access. Seems like it would be such a staple for all the business travel crowds they get. I end up paying some serious charges to Kinko's just for computer access while on the road all the time. Glad to see we weren't stealing each other's players this time around, either.

Speaking of access and picking while on the road, we haven't heard a gambling update from Tosh out in Vegas I don't think. Hope that's a good sign that the dealers are treating you well!
 
206Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 03:37 		Just got back for the night ... and since you asked ... I've had ups and downs. At one point, I had this shiny new laptop all paid for, and I should have quit at that time. But we all know how Vegas can be. As of right now, I think I have paid for the keyboard and most of the software. I have a few hours tomorrow before flying back, so I'll try to pay for the screen, mouse, processor and case at that time. :-)

I'm sure my turn will come up again sometime while I'm at the airport, or somewhere over Eastern Oregon. I will send a queue to Guru ... but it's getting harder to create a long queue, since we're at that point in the draft where we are filling holes. Hopefully I can come up with a good list of names before I go to bed.
 
207Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 06:12 		Just an FYI... seems we're doing about a round-per-day pace... assuming that maintains, we'll finish up around Tuesday the 25th.

Is there a particular date we want to be sure to finish by? I assume we want one set of waivers to run prior to opening night... so theoretically as long as the draft completes by the night of the 28th, players could be entered into Yahoo on the 29th, and waivers would run the night of the 31st, giving people the morning/afternoon on the 1st to set their lineups prior to that night's games. Obviously a little slack in the system would be nice, but even at our current pace (to finish on the 25th) we'd have an extra few days and thus be fine.
 
208hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 08:34 		skinneej - josh howard and ron artest are not guards as you show on your roster. That means you have 1 guard now - Marbury
 
209Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 08:39 		Actually Josh Howard is listed as "GF" which means he can play G, SG, F, or SF. I only see Artest as being listed at SF though.
 
210skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 08:39 		Josh Howard is guard eligible, however you are correct that Artest is listed at sf only. I try to check Yahoo for roster eligibility since the stats I'm using have different positions listed, but sometimes I forget.
 
211hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 09:09 		OK - did not know about HOward
anyway - I think he is a good pick - I had wanted to get him
 
212Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 11:50 		Before going to bed last night, with 9 picks until my turn, I created am 11-man queue. After three picks, three of my top-4 are gone.

Can you keep the string alive Dave R.?
 
213Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 12:37 		Queue sent to Guru via Kafenatid and email.
 
214Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 12:50 		Tosh queue received
 
215Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 13:57 		Doug[207] - your timing assessment is the same as mine. We're currently on pace to finish on 10/26, so we're doing fine.
 
216Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:05 		Anyone heard from the Euros? I figured they'd have put together a pretty short list having just made a selection 3 slots ago... maybe Dave took their queue? They still have plenty of time on the clock so no urgency, just curious.
 
217Pacers Rule@INDY
      ID: 46946127
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:31 		Still don't know if I've got access at my hotel. Supposed to have it back today, but they said also it was supposed to work before I got there, and then again by 11:30 last night.

I'm going to Starbucks where they have wireless also to grab a latte and comb the internet news and stats.

At this rate, I may not be up again to pick tonight. It's ok though, I have access at my conference, though I can only check on the draft every so often.
 
218Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:33 		We're done, Doug. Much debate in the Euro camp, but in the end it's Donyell time again. And yes, Dave did take our queue :)
 
219Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 17:48 		I didn't take their queue, they took mine :)
 
222Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 19:15 		Pacers Rule- Latte at Starbucks? Combing the internet at Starbucks? Checking the draft status from the internet access at the conference?

I sure hope you aren't booning when you should be doggling ;)
 
224Pacers Rule@INDY
      ID: 46946127
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 19:35 		LOL, Dave R. Actually it's a nice Fall night here in Indy and I'm able to surf and sip outside. Kind of refreshing after being inside in crowded rooms all day.

I'm missing the Colts game to try out a Thai restaurant with my buddies. I have to say I'm not super thrilled about it, but I guess you've got to try new things in this life.
 
225Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 20:04 		That's what the other non-football nights are for bro. ;)
 
226FRICK
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 20:49 		PR, are you staying in downtown Indy?

 
227Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 21:20 		Guru - Just because I'm posting, doesn't mean that I'm back and ready to draft. I'm sitting at the airport waiting for my late flight to arrive.

Please use the queue as sent earlier when it is my turn. Thanks!
 
228Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 21:54 		gotcha
 
229Doug @ parents
      ID: 49112252
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 21:56 		Mmmm.... Thai food... Pad-see-yew... lemongrass... peanut sauce... *drool*
 
230Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 22:14 		Since skinneej is up, I was just wondering:

Is it 2 syllables as in skin-neej
or is it 3 syllables as in skin-ny J

:)
 
231Doug @ parents
      ID: 49112252
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 22:36 		I assumed the former.
 
232lionprideguy
      Sustainer
      ID: 906204
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:07 		Interesting, I had always read it in my head as the latter.

But that might be because it reminds me of a basketball teammate from back in high school who everybody called Skinny B, so that's always in my head. He obviously wasn't the biggest guy and in preseason conditioning couldn't even add any weights, he had to start off just benching the bar. Name stuck for years even after he bulked up. Not that any of this matters, I realize.

Poker night at a friend's tonight, so I'll be gone from around 9-12 pst. Unless I get really stupid and start chasing cards again this week, then I guess I could be back to research my next pick early unfortunately.
 
233Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:08 		Yeah well however you pronounce it, he's taking the air out of the ball........
 
234Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:09 		For the record, I had it as the latter as well.
 
235Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:14 		It's definitely on the record. And it's definitely, the latter.
 
236Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:29 		Hey skinnee J-ayyyyyyyyy. I always hated the 4 corners. Phil Ford sucks.
 
237lionprideguy
      Sustainer
      ID: 906204
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:31 		Darn skineej, I was hoping you'd go to grab a center and Jamison would slide. Nice pick.
 
238skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:37 		Sorry, for the delay. I waited around all afternoon for it to get back to me, and then had to leave for work a few minutes before 6pm. I would have left a Q, but I was still struggling on who to take. I just finished my draft rationale for this pick, so I'll leave the details for later. Basically, I had finally made a decision on who I wanted and then Yokel took him. Had it been 20 mins earlier, I would have posted my backup pick, but I was not able to get to a computer until a few minutes ago.

BTW, it is the latter. The band the 2 Skinnee J's were a great college band from NYC in the 90's, and I saw them about 25 times from '95 until they went separate ways a few years ago. They had a unique following and I still get people on-line and on Xbox Live who recognize the name and say "Hey, is your tag from the band?".

Since I had several hours without access tonight (I'm in the middle of doing calibration testing this week on the C-5B Galaxy) I carried my laptop with me and had time to do some draft analysis. I've done a round by round analysis of each team and what the standings are based on my projections. I know Guru does something like this as well, and others of you might be doing it so we could compare what we have. Of course, since they are my projections and I pick based on these, my team is near the top so take it for what it's worth! I may post some of it a little later for pure entertainment.
 
239Doug @ parents
      ID: 49112252
      Mon, Oct 17, 2005, 23:56 		I guess the lack of capitalization on the J is what causes the confusion... phonetically I always think of it as Skaneege, and even now that I know better I don't think I'll be able to break the habit! =-p

Yeah, I've got ratings too... I'll hold off 'til the draft completes... summarize them in my draft recap. Of course, that's just me!
 
242Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 03:49 		lionprideguy (237) - Jamison wouldn't have slid to you. He was number one on my list.

I'm back home, and looking forward to not having to leave queues anymore! Thanks Guru for taking them. For what it's worth, I've decided I'd rather just sit in front of a slot machine than playing blackjack. That little adreneline rush when you see three flaming 7's line up ... it's priceless (actually it's 75 cents). I played slots all over town the last two days, and found that the Venetian (home of the Blue Man Group) had the loosest slots. Ended up bringing home about $400 in winnings. I've certainly done worse. :-)
 
243Pacers Rule @ INDY
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 10:14 		Frick-
Nah, We're up here in Castleton at the Hilton North, off of Shadeland.

Of course, the noodleheads at the Country INN couldn't get me online last night either, though I farted around with it for about 90 minutes. At one point the tech support person from SBC asked me why the hotel was making their guest call tech support for this issue. I told them that frankly, I had no idea.

At least when we checked out, they reduced our overall bill over 50%! That was a savings of $200 (for my boss).

And for the record, the Thai food was wonderful. Glad I went. Plus, I missed the first half when the Colts were losing, and when I came back for the second half, it was all Colts. The best of both worlds!
 
244skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 14:12 		Well, here's my low level analysis of the first two rounds. I intend to keep it quite vanilla and am really only stating the obvious in most cases and reinforcing the rationales posted by each manager. I will plan to post them two rounds at a time as we go along and keep enough of a buffer between them and the current round of the draft. If there is any issue with it, I will withold posting future rounds and do a full recap at the end. Since I am getting my thoughts down during the draft, I figured I'd post them now since a single post afterwards would be enourmous. I will still do my team's recap when we are done.

Rd 1

Not really much to say here. This is the easiest round of the draft. The first four went as expected although you could certainly argue 1/2 and 3/4 what order they should go in. Picks 5-11 could have been just about in any order, but these were the top 11 players on my list as well. They each bring something unique to the table and depending on each manager's strategy you can't really argue any of them.

Best Pick Lebron James - 1st round is hard to grade, but opting to go LBJ instead of KG is a big move. If he continues to add to his dominant stats, he is undoubtedly the best player in the game, fantasy or in real life.

Surprise Pick Jason Kidd - I felt Nash was the player to get here. Kidd has more weapons at his disposal to begin the season, but health is a concern with him.

No rankings from the 1st round since it seems silly!

Rd 2

The second round was characterized by the first run on centers early in the round, and a run on pgs late in the round. None of the centers was a reach, but because of needing two starting centers for the league, these players had their value go up. Better overall players were on the board in each case, but the C eligibility definitely had managers grabbing them while they lasted (which was not long).

Best Pick Nash - Because of the run on centers, Nash slipped to 17th. I had him as the 12th best player available, so maybe the thinking is his stats will suffer this season. At 17 he should be a steal.

Surprise Pick Brad Miller - Like I said he's not a reach here because of the C eligibility, but he went 10 spots higher than I had him. If your team's strategy is to grab a C early, then you can't say it's a bad pick because the rest of the draft may key on getting players that will create the right balance.

My Rankings after 2 rounds -
1. Euros
2. Skinneej
3. Doug
4. Sanforders
5. Guru

Not planning on breaking this down any further as it might give out more info than intended. Each team probably knows where their weak areas are, but may not know where they stand relative to other teams. I will let you guess for yourselves. Again, this is purely my take based on my system, so ignore it if you don't agree! ;)
 
245Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 14:24 		Won't be able to pick until close to dinner time in all likelihood. At least I'm back online today @ the Hilton.
 
246Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 16:53 		Wonder when dinner time is.
 
247Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:03 		Pacers Rule doesn't need emails to let him know when he is up. He just waits for his stomach to growl ;)
 
248Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:08 		I think Ender used to have a gut like that...
 
249Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 17:59 		I'll pick within an hour. Lost access for a bit but have it again.
 
250Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:00 		Dunno, but wasn't he already on the clock when he posted? Maybe he doesn't like to pick on an empty stomach, or needed time to do research. That'll happen when you're traveling. In the meantime, I dropped him a trade offer in order to give him something else to think about. =-)
 
251Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:14 		Doug, didn't receive your trade offer.
 
252 Pacers Rule @ INDY
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:15 		Here's my email.
 
253Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:23 		Just re-sent it. That's the same address I used the first time. Maybe it's getting dumped to your spam folder or something.
 
254Pacers Rule @ INDY
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:34 		Possibility
 
255Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:41 		I'll take it. So then you're up for my pick, and then I'm up for the next two picks, and then we swap 9th rounds picks (8th & 11th) right?
 
256Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:44 		Yep, confrimed and emailed to Guru.
 
257Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:46 		Woohoo. More color for the draft grid.
 
258Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:48 		Pacers if you want to set me up as a designated picker and email me your two picks (or post them here, I already told you mine in email) then we can proceed and deal with swapping the players later.
 
259Pacers Rule @ INDY
      ID: 46946127
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 18:57 		Ok, I set you up as a designated picker for me

Also, I took Troy Murphy for you with my pick.

So now you can take Jalen Rose (F) and Jason Williams PG with your next 2.

Then you can pick "for me" the player you want at pick 8.02 and we can proceed on to Guru.
 
260Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 19:05 		OK, so just so everyone is clear on what just happened...

Doug - 07.11 - Troy Murphy
Pacers - 7.12 - Jalen Rose
Pacers - 8.01 - Jason Williams
Doug - 08.02 - Sam Cassel

Pacers now owns 9.08, and Doug owns 9.11
 
261Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 19:08 		Clear as mud
 
262Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 18, 2005, 20:50 		I think I got this processed correctly, including fixing the spelling of Cassell and the target position for Rose.
 
263xpdurmind
      Sustainer
      ID: 319471922
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 00:51 		-Intruder Alert-

I'm not sure if it is in the spirit of the game( sharing info and knowledge with your fellow gurupies), but here it goes nonetheless:

Is it possible to delay the rationales until our draft cathes up with it in AA#3?.. I just think it is the same thing as taking about a player that hasn't been picked yet. Although your rationales are very informative and I look forward to reading about each pick, they do tend to influence other drafts.

Intruder out
 
264Edgar
      Dude
      ID: 00458944
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 02:36 		Skinneej (244), I think the Euro's can easily agree with your ranking system!

Very nice as well that Ruben BB is still available. Or should I change that to player X.

Like that certain player X who will battle Joel Przb for playing time as stated in the draft rationales. I think this HAS to be Ruben!
 
265 lionprideguy
      Leader
      ID: 906204
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 04:05 		Slackjawed Yokel, could you send me your email address? Sorry, wasn't sure which one it was on our group list. I'll be at this work email address on Wednesday and checking it between meetings. Thanks!
 
266Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 07:48 		xpdurmind[263] - Request denied.

One of the purposes of posting rationales is to provide information that might be useful to others who are involved in drafts. The longer we delay, the less useful that information is.

If you think it is influencing your draft, so be it.
 
267xpdurmind
      ID: 407261116
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 09:48 		np
 
268Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 11:52 		Re: 266, it's interesting to me that most of the other RIHC drafts this year chose to get started earlier than we did... instead of us informing them, they informed us... I know that for a few picks early on I was looking to see how those other drafts had progressed in order to guesstimate when a player might go in ours. Certainly can't put TOO much stock in such an analysis, but it does provide one more datapoint when trying to predict who might make it back to your next pick, etc. I think the later we get in rounds, however, the less useful such information becomes (at least for the purpose of predicting when players will go), as drafting becomes less and less "by the book".
 
269Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 12:05 		I liked our timetable in the draft. We seem to be making good/adequate progress and we are starting to see how players are doing in preseason as we approach the place in the draft where we need to know some of that info to help us decide who to pick. Plus, we avoided a probable first round injury situation, for example. Not such a big deal in a cap league where you can trade players at will, but for a draft league, that kind of situation can nearly torpedo a player's season from the start. The later you can do the draft and still get it done, the better in terms of a competitive season, imo.
 
270Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 13:17 		Just a word of caution to be careful about mentioning undrafted players in this thread or in the rationale thread. I just cleaned up a couple that were called to my attention.

It's probably also better to avoid replacing an undrafted player's name with the term "undrafted player", since that actually calls more attention to the fact that the player, while unnamed (but usually we know who you mean), is undrafted. While that's technically not prohibited, it is contrary to the spirit of the limitation.
 
272Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 14:06 		Ahem...

The rationale posted immediately after I made that comment [270] named two undrafted players.

Please proofread your rationales with this in mind, guys. I fixed that one without referencing either player and without changing the substance of the post.
 
273Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 14:16 		I was looking at the board I just knew Euros would take Patchouli... 'cus they had no Cs yet, and I can only assume they have something of an affinity for guys with funny European-sounding names. =-p
 
274Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 14:28 		I'll bet his name even sounds funny in the Republic of Georgia.

And I almost sure that most people can't even pronounce it in the state of Georgia!
 
275Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 17:17 		Sorry, didn't realize that *undrafted player* ;-) wasn't fair game to discuss. But yeah we seem to have it happening quite a bit. Thanks for cleaning that up, Guru.
 
276Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 17:33 		Yeah, I was sleeping on Zaza and hoping he would eventually land on my roster

I was also sleeping on James Jones for the Suns. I was surprised to see him pulled this early. I hope he pays off and does well there in Phoenix. Nice guy.
 
277lionprideguy @work
      ID: 55948120
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 17:35 		Wow, I'm a serious idiot. Even stopped to think about being careful, and then cut and pasted a mostly pre-written statement without reviewing it all, and apparently the brain turned off again. No jokes about the brain turning off when I drafted Eddy Curry, please.

On a better note, I'm really excited about *undrafted player* this year. Big upside, very ball-friendly with a big wingspan, and he's really long. All potential.
 
278Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 19:32 		We love Zazazazazazaza in the Euro camp. The only other Georgian sportsman i know of any real note is Georgi Kinkladze. Edgar, you know who i'm talking about, right? Maybe Mike D too...i know you're a soccer fan on the sly, Mike! ;)

Instead of just befuddling each other with our own picks, it looks like Dave and ourselves have also bewildered SY to the point where he's pondering also.

Have to say also, a top quality draft so far guys. I'm having a blast. Or maybe it's just the huge amount of fun i'm extracting from winding Dave R up by predicting his picks!
 
279Slackjawed Yokel
      Leader
      ID: 052347519
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 19:39 		Yeah, I was hoping to pick earlier, but what was supposed to be an hour meeting at work turned into a 2 and a half hour marathon. (And then I found I was relatively unprepared for this pick and had to do all the necessary second- and third-guessing...)
 
280Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 21:21 		Sorry skinneej - I gave you 31 minutes to get your rationale up there. :-)
 
281Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 21:51 		Who the h*ll is Georgi Kinkladze??? ;)

Yeah, the other football has its place. I have a longstanding invitation from a friend to attend a match in Holland some day.........my son wants to go with me. My wife and daughters are holding us back. ;)
 
282Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 19, 2005, 22:33 		Sorry to be late on rationales. Feeling like crap here.
 
285Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 00:45 		Awww... come on Pacers, your picks weren't THAT bad. Cheer up. =-p
 
286Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 10:56 		I guess the next pick is " luchtime " pick ;)
 
287Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 11:01 		Or a "post-psychologist" visit pick.
 
288Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 11:21 		Yeah, unfortunately I may need most of my time for this pick. I have not been able to do a thing to prepare for this pick due to my illness. Was hoping Dunleavy would fall to me but no dice.
 
289Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 11:27 		Got to watch out for that Thai food!
 
290Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 11:34 		He must've really Thai'd one on...
 
291Mike D
      Leader
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 11:36 		His hands are really Thai'd now that Dunleavy is gone....
 
292Doug
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 11:56 		Well, I've got two players left in my 8-man queue I put together last round, I tried rating one above the other but they're basically Thai'd, so I don't mind if someone takes one to make my decision for me. Just don't take both!
 
293Pacers Rule
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 12:54 		Well, he's still pretty injured with his ankle, but I'm staying with my all-injury team at least for the time being.
 
294Mike D
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:02 		Woo-hoo. The prunes apparently worked, because we have movement!
 
295Doug
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:09 		*groan* You've been waiting a while to push that one out, haven't you Mike?
 
296Guru
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:31 		I had two guys at the top of my list, and surprisingly, both were still available. It was tough to figure which to prioritize higher.
 
297Guru
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 13:32 		I'll start a new Rationale thread for pick 8.01. The current thread is getting reasonably long, and I suspect that the later rationales (or "rationalizations", as they are often described for later rounds) may be a bit shorter.
 
299Pacers Rule
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 14:47 		LPG-
if you have any idea how long it will be till you pick, that'd be great. I'm trying to decide if take a nap now or stick it out until I either pick or can have a 3 man queue ready.
 
300lionprideguy @work
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 15:04 		No problem - I'm on my way out for a lunch appointment, so I'm going to enter a pair of picks before I go. Hang in there, it'll just be 2-3 minutes!
 
301Pacers Rule
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 15:09 		cool
should pick fairly soon, Guru
 
302Guru
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 16:10 		For the record, I had already selected Jaric before I noticed Doug's flagrant and premature mention of him in the Cassell rationale. ;)

I see that another moderator stepped in quickly to obliterate the foul, but since I just took Jaric, I reversed the edit.
 
303Guru
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 16:21 		With 300 posts, I think it's time to retire this thread and move on to a new one.

draft discussion thread #2