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Subject: RIHC 2005-06 Draft Discussion #2

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 16:19
Time to start a fresh thread.

(link to draft discussion thread #1)

Carry on...

 
1Doug
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 16:48 		Dang... hoopsklyce just took my one-man queue. Fortunately, it was my round 13 one-man queue, so I still have time to adjust. =-p
 
2Tosh
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 21:02 		I've got it narrowed to two. I really wish that Knicksfan had taken one of them, as I may have to resort to the coin technique to decide.
 
3Pacers Rule
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 22:07 		Interesting, Doug. I was torn between Ricky Davis and Mo Pete for my pick. Ricky shoots a stronger % from the field, though with less 3's. Also, he has the advantage of not being injured at the present, though that hasn't stopped me before!

This brings up a point I hadn't thought about before. How are we going to handle eligibility for the disabled list? I wonder how Yahoo is going to handle it as well. Obviously, there is a difference now in that teams no longer have to place players on a formal 'injured' list with the mandatory 5 games out. I think they can have 12 players active for any given game and that can change from game to game. I wonder if a did not dress, i.e. inactive designation will qualify for the IL spot or how we will deal with this.
 
5Tosh
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 23:48 		skinneej - I'm certain that we are working off the same list. Kaman was exactly the other guy I was considering. It's not the first, nor the second time you've done that.
 
6Doug
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      Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 23:54 		LOL, Pacers... after taking Battier I was looking at Mo Pete and also Jaric (effing Guru again!) but injuries scared me off from both, thought maybe one of 'em would slide a few picks to 10.05. That's ok, Ricky D makes for a nice guard instead... not too much dropoff there IMHO.

Everyone - Nice job with the draft today... seemed we'd been stuck in mud for a while but we really picked up the pace today, so thanks and good work!
 
7skinneej
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 00:13 		Tosh, send me your list, and I will verify that we are working off the same one! :)
 
8Guru
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 10:13 		Dave R must be working at his "day job" this morning.
 
9Guru
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 10:29 		I wasn't aware of the change in the "inactive list" process. But here's a good description: Basketball 101: Inactive list (Detroit News)

I have no idea how Yahoo will handle it, but their criteria will dictate ours. We can only add a player to an IL slot if the game platform will allow it.

Here are the RIHC rules:
1. Any drafted player may immediately be placed in an IL slot if the player is Yahoo-eligible to be put there.

2. Any IL-eligible player may immediately be placed in an IL slot if he has appeared in an NBA game since the time he was added to the roster.

3. Any other player may only be placed in an IL slot after he has been on the roster for a minimum for 10 days.

The last rule is designed to prohibit a team from picking up an injured player and immediately stashing him in an IL slot.
 
10Guru
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 10:35 		I just sent an email to Yahoo asking about their IL eligibilty standards. I wonder if I'll get a response - and if they've even figured out what they'll do.
 
11Guru
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 10:36 		The linked article in [9] says that the new procedure is similar to the NHL. Does anyone know how Yahoo handles this for hockey?
 
12Pacers Rule
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 11:21 		Guru, thanks for checking into this. I read that article in the Detroit News and found it pretty confusing at points. I think this change has been reported differently by different people at different points in time. My guess is that the language changed as negotiations continued and the CBA was finalized. It would be great if there was a link to the actual CBA somewhere so we could read the official policy instead of some reporter's interpretation of it.

Sorry for hanging up the draft a bit lately, guys. I've been feeling so raunchy. I can't remember the last time I've felt like this. I'd describe it as like having kidney stones only not quite as severe. Fortunately I may be on the mend as I feel somewhat better this morning and atually slept 12 hours with only a few interruptions.
 
13Dave R
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 11:58 		Sorry for the delay fellas, Guru nailed it. I try not to let businesss get in the way of fantasy sports but sometimes it does happen.

 
14Mike D
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 11:59 		Shame on you.
 
15Swish City
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 14:30 		I guess it's up to us to scoop up all the Nets, since Dave seems allergic to homers again this year.
 
16KnicksFan
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 14:36 		When I tell Antoine that he was an 11th rounder, he's gonna be so pissed that he'll just mail it in all season. Good luck Yokel.
 
17Mike D
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 14:42 		Yeah, he'll start missing a ton of free throws...
 
18Pacers Rule
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 15:02 		Nice pick, Euros. I think Nedad wasn't getting the love he deserves. Here's to hoping he can stay out of foul trouble this year.
 
19Guru
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 15:03 		Here's the amazingly quick "non-answer" from Yahoo on IL standards:
We are currently researching the impact of the new IL rules and how that will impact IL eligibility in Fantasy Basketball. We hope to have an answer in the next few days.

Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention. We are investigating this issue and will make any appropriate corrections as soon as
possible.
Sounds like they hadn't noticed.
 
20Pacers Rule
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 15:09 		Well, hopefully a trainwreck can be avoided.
 
21Slackjawed Yokel
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 15:15 		Yeah, I had to pick 'Toine, he just looked so pathetic standing there waiting to be picked. He was like the fat kid in school when we picked teams for kickball, or the guy who gets invited to the NFL draft and doesn't get picked until the second round...

His agent assures me that he will use this as motivation for a higher draft slot next year when he can rightly resume launching ill-advised threes with 15 seconds left on the shot clock. But for this year, he's going to adopt the Yokel team philosophy and work on his percentages.
 
22Mike D
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 15:22 		He's already gotten his FT % up to 50 in the pre-season. ;)
 
23Doug
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 17:04 		50%? Really? Wow... maybe I should have drafted him, even if only as a FT coach for Shaq...
 
24Doug
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 17:05 		Does anybody who has already picked this round want to take my queue?
 
25KnicksFan
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 18:52 		Tosh, I was debating between Mihm and Primoz, so you made my decision much easier.
 
26Mike D
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 22:32 		Disappointed not to get Brezec. Even tried to trade up and get him. So I went with the Blue Raja instead.
 
27Tosh
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 22:38 		I was debating between Mihm and Primoz as well. Mike D. tried to trade up (from 11.07 to 11.05) with me, but I didn't bite because I was worried that both would be gone at 11.07. Looks like I got lucky this time.
 
28Guru
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 22:50 		I guess we were all looking at Primoz this round. I really didn't think he'd make it to me, though.

You know we're getting deep into the draft when Primoz Brezec is being coveted by a bunch of managers!
 
29Mike D
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 22:51 		I was thinking the same thing when I was making those trade offers. Sad but true.
 
30Guru
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      Fri, Oct 21, 2005, 22:52 		skinneej - am I the one you figured would take P.J. Brown in the 9th round?

He was on my short list. So was Haslem (the young P.J.)
 
31skinneej on the road
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 00:38 		Guru, yep, knew you liked him. You've had him in at least a couple leagues before I believe. I thought he might be on your list for the 8th round pick and looks like from your rationale you even considered him with the 7th round pick. From watching your previous RIHC drafts and following the rationales, I know that we have similar Roto drafting styles. That's why I was happy to see that our draft positions were far enough away from each other. We'd be fighting for the same players nearly every round! So far I've managed to only have one player that I wanted snatched right before my turn (Crawford), but I'm not sure that's a good thing or a bad thing ;)

I had Haslem ranked just below PJ a bit due to too many quality players in Miami looking for PT, plus the fact that PJ has C elig. I still expect him to basically match his numbers from last year, but I think he will be forgotten in the 4th quarter as Miami will look to spread out using 'Toine and Wade on the wings to give Shaq room to manuever. He may only see about 30 mins per game, so I don't see much room for him to improve on his numbers this year unless Shaq misses alot of time.
 
32skinneej on the road
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 00:44 		MikeD, nice pick of the Maja Raja. I considered him strongly with the last pick, but since I took him in two leagues already, I wanted to diversify! Besides, I missed out on Felton in both my keeper leagues, and as a native Tarheel, I have to get him in one league to root for him. ;P
 
33Doug
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 04:09 		P.J. wouldn't have made it to Guru in round 9.
 
34Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 09:34 		It's never too early to grab a PG, eh, hoopsklyce? :-)
 
35Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 10:12 		LPG, you around? I'll be nice and not take your player.
 
36lionprideguy
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 11:51 		awww, I am here, just woke up. No joking, I picked out Deng and Bonzi as my two-man queue last night before going to sleep, and figured this late in the draft everybody looking at similar players was less likely. I've got to leave in about 10 minutes to run an event until 1pm pst, so I'll try and see if I can find something quick before then. But there's a chance I might not draft until closer to 1-2pm today.
 
37Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 11:53 		Yeah, don't rush yourself and take two bad picks. There is a guy I think you should get. I'd take your time and figure out who it is.
 
38lionprideguy
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      ID: 906204
      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 12:17 		haha - umm, maybe if I just delegate my pick to you then we both come out ahead :) And I thought I was all prepared to wake up and pick today too!

Shoot, just got out of the shower and I do have to run since I'm coordinating and speaking at this event. It'll be about 3-4 hours until I'm back, so I guess everybody can just kick back and relax for a bit since you won't miss anything. Go ahead and watch some football, take a nap, etc. Sorry about that, but I'll hurry back as soon as I can.
 
39Mike D
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 12:59 		Aw Deng it, Guru took Luol.
 
40Guru
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 13:06 		For some reason, the last round seems to have had more "queue collisions" than the previous few.
 
41Doug
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 16:33 		I'm back (for now). Dave, old queue is null and void. Thanks for making the last pick!
 
42Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 17:04 		Very punny, Mike D.
 
43lionprideguy
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 17:51 		yeah, lots more similar drafting thoughts these last two rounds than I had expected. Looks like I made it back before I timed out - event was good this morning, an early-season VIP sneak preview of the men's basketball team for leadership donors. Let them watch a full practice with drills and a scrimmage from courtside, do a Q&A with the coach afterward, then lunch with the players. Kind of cool.

Anyway, I'm back and I'll pick within about 5 minutes here.
 
44lionprideguy
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      ID: 906204
      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:03 		I hate drafting a pair of players who are both on teams where I already have another player from their team on my roster, but figured they were the best fit.

So PR, did I guess right?
 
45Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:07 		No, I figured you for another player
 
46Pacers Rule
      Donor
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:13 		Funny. You think you know who you want until it's time to actually take him. Then suddenly the second guessing goes into overdrive.
I'll try not to obsess too long here.
 
47lionprideguy
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:17 		Darn. Now I'm really going to be wondering what I might have missed.

Unless PR is trying to psych me out in the draft here and get in my head, shake my confidence and have me drafting Fennis Dembo and Anderson Hunt or Jeff Fryer in rounds 13/14 to address my long-range needs. Shoot, I gotta stop mentioning undrafted players.
 
48Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:35 		LOL. The funniest thing is, now that you didn't take the player I thought was a great fit for your team, Now I'm trying to decide if I want him or the player I originally wanted, or yet another player or two!

Yikes. Sorry, I'll decide as soon as I can. The wife is mandating a dinner break.
 
49Doug
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:37 		Fennis Dembo? Isn't he the lesser known brother of Tikki tikki tembo-no sa rembo-chari bari ruchi-pip peri pembo and Chang?
 
50Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:45 		Doug, I can't believe you haven't swooped in here yet with one of your trade offers, since you know I'm undecided ;-)
 
51lionprideguy
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:49 		It's true - every time I wait a few picks hoping a guy will fall to me, if it actually happens I start second-guessing because then I wonder if there's something wrong with what I'm thinking. Normally it wouldn't be that way, but with this league I know to respect everybody else's picks and rankings so much that generally players don't just slip or fall off the radar, or get forgotten.
 
52Doug
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:49 		LOL... I'm just giggling over your self-torment. Always nice to see somebody besides myself squirming. I actually did make an offer to LPG! But at this point I've got a 2 players I'm indifferent between with 3 picks left to go, so I'll just hope one of em falls...
 
53Doug
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 18:56 		You know Pacers... YOU could always make ME an offer...
 
54Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 19:08 		Yeah, I supposed that would be in the realm of the possible. However, I finally made a decision, so I'll go with it.
 
56Pacers Rule
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 19:21 		Well, LPG- not to say your picks weren't good. I just thought for sure you'd go Radmanovic here. He seems to deliver on some things your team could use. Of course, He delivers on enough that I decided I could use them too! I'll save the rest for my rationale when it's posted.
 
59lionprideguy
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 20:50 		PR, you weren't too far off. Radmanovic was one of the last guys I considered both last night before putting him behind Deng and Wells, and this afternoon before taking Thomas and Smith. Especially since he's in a contract year - I just ended up liking the other two a bit more. But close.
 
60Swish City
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 21:12 		3:45 ORL - R. Boumtje Boumtje misses a dunk

Mike, i know you're excited about this. I'm willing to trade the remainder of our draft picks to guarantee landing *undrafted player* I feel this is the season he breaks out...and actually makes a shot ;)
 
61Dave R
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      ID: 3010361110
      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 21:21 		Not only that:

11:25 ORL - R. Boumtje Boumtje hits a free throw
 
62skinneej
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      Sat, Oct 22, 2005, 23:46 		Hey, guys. I've been travelling alot the last few days, but looks like I have gotten lucky in making my picks when my turn was due. I'm now in my semi-permanent location for the next three days, so I hope to get a couple more rounds in before I travel home. I promised more round recaps for those that are interested, so I will get to them shortly.
 
63skinneej
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 00:26 		Rd 3

The third round continued the assault on quality big men. Four centers were taken, and three others (Bosh, Gasol and Howard) all have the potential to add center eligibilty during the season. I think the key to this round is that every player taken has the potential to end up a top 25 player. Shaq and Big Ben will have to overcome the poor FT%, but they can dominate other categories which makes them desirable for a team with the right fit.

Best Pick Tie: Joe Johnson/Artest - I have to give myself some props here since Artest has look unstoppable in the pre-season, but if another explosion occurs, this one might bite me. JJ has also been impressive to this point and has shown the potential for a few triple doubles if the foot injury doesn't linger. I also liked Howard going in the middle of the round and could prove both of my first two choices wrong.

Surprise Pick Ben Wallace - The surprise is not that Big Ben went too early, but that he was still around at the 36th pick. Even though that was about where I might start considering him, with the run on centers he and another big fella were pushed to the side. Someone usually jumps early on them, but maybe it's the quality of the league managers that recognize the penalty that your team takes in FT% by having these guys. For comparison, Wallace was taken between 2.11 and 3.08 in the AAA and AA leagues.

My Rankings after 3 rounds:
1. Sanfordors
2. Euros
3. Skinneej
4. MikeD
5. Tie: Guru/Doug

The Bosh pick really gave a boost to DaveR while MikeD slipped into the top 5 with a nice pick of the kid Howard.
 
64skinneej
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 00:59 		Rd 4

Round four saw teams starting to fill in some gaps. There may have been a couple players that each team considered when the time came for their pick, but the decision came down to either position or key stats. Blocks and assist were popular in this round, as well as a few guys that are considered all-around good players.

Best Pick Jefferson - Probably should have considered him myself, but I passed and will probably wish all season that I hadn't. He's had a good pre-season and might get back to his pre-wrist injury days real soon.

Honorable Mention to the Big Aristotle for the same reasons as B. Wallace. Slipping into the 4th round is a steal as well as a serious drain from the line. Or is it lack of drainage from the line? As in not draining his FTs. Ah, nevermind. Sounded better in my head.

Surprise Pick Anthony - This was a real surprise to me since he didn't finish in the top 75 last year on ESPN's player rater, and barely made the Funston top 100. Knowing the quality of the manager that took him, this is a real sleeper pick that will pay off big time, or could put a serious damper on his team. Melo did make some strides post-asb last year, but thought this one was a bit of a stretch.

My Rankings after 4 rounds:
1. Euros
2. Doug
3. Sanforders
4. Skinneej
5. Yokel

Euros back on top with the Jefferson pick, Yokels makes his first appearance with the JRich selection, and Doug makes the strong move back to #2 on the baq of Shaq. Man, that's Whaq! Actually, it's late and I'm heading off to bed. Later...


 
65Tosh
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 13:04 		Sorry for the delay, but it's tough when my clock starts at 4AM on a Sunday.
 
66Tosh
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 13:18 		Re: 64

I'm not sure why Anthony would be a surprise. He was the 44th pick overall. He was taken 39th in AAA, 39th and 41st in AA. Rotowire has him ranked 44th using the projections (granted only 58th on the cheatsheets). On a different list that I paid money for (and purchase every season because I trust), he is ranked 31st. Seems I got equal to good value.

But that's how drafts go. We all have our thoughts and bias, and over-reliance on certain sources.
 
68lionprideguy
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 16:48 		Tosh - don't worry, I liked the Carmelo pick at that spot too and he's been playing great in preseason - the game the other night with 8 rebounds and 6 assists really caught my eye.

I think skineej was just trying to break up my exclusive hold on the "surprise pick" slot of each round, I had a nice/bad streak going there!
 
69Pacers Rule
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 17:30 		I haven't made the top 5 yet. Should I worry? :-)

Seriously, this is a tough draft. Seems that most of the time it comes back around to me, the player I want is not there. I guess we just do the best we can with how we see the season playing out. The pickings are getting a lot slimmer at this point, so I expect this trend of queue-spoiling to continue.

I was hoping Amare would make it back down to the bottom of this round, but i wasn't counting on it.
 
70Guru
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 17:43 		I thought Amare would go in round 12. Missed by 2 picks.
 
71Doug
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 19:35 		Just checking in, I continue to be surprised how many managers are looking at my cheatsheet! Something came up and I need to leave for the night shortly... so rather than hastily assemble a queue I'm not sure about, I'm going to wait and do some research before I pick. So this is just an FYI... it'll be late night West Coast before I pick (assuming it gets to me)... and I may even wait until AM depending when I get home and my mental state at that time. Good drafting everyone! =-)
 
72Tosh
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 20:09 		Just got back from a community beach clean-up day (in the rain).

Will pick shortly ...
 
73Pacers Rule
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 21:01 		which beach, Tosh?
 
74Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 21:05 		I live on a small Puget Sound island (Vashon Island). I'm surrounded by beach. :-)
 
75Tosh
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 21:06 		And since you asked (I'd hate to be rude)...

Quartermaster Road from the Portage Store to the Highway.
;-)
 
76Pacers Rule
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 21:13 		Sorry, geography was not my best class. Can you tell me where this is? It sounds very nice.
 
77hoopsklyce
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 21:23 		64 - skineej
How can it be if your are evaluating the strength of teams yours can be anything other than one since I assume you use your sheet to evaluate.
 
78Pacers Rule
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 21:30 		Ah, the power of the internet. Washington State 8x10 mile Island. Sounds very nice indeed.

Hoopsklyce- just because he knows who he wants b/c they're ranked the best doesn't mean they're always available. Plus, you have to use your own judgment too, depending on your own opinion of the projections, plus the unpredictable nature of the draft that may cause position scarcity, for example.

It is interesting that our playing field is not completely level in the sense that some of us are using pay services for stats projections and others have spreadsheet skills, etc. Nothing to really do about that, I suppose. It's all about how badly you want to win and how much time and resources you're willing to devote to it I guess.
 
79Tosh
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 21:45 		Nice place, with lots of farmers, artists, and nature lovers. Fairly strict land-use laws that do not favor construction of new houses or buildings, and do favor flora and fauna. Lots of deer, Bald Eagles, and a huge winter home for birds from the North. The top of the predator chain is probably the raccoon. There is only one two-story building (other than houses), and no traffic lights. Tucked between Seattle and Tacoma, and serviced by ferries to both those cities. We've got 9000ish people in the Winter, 11000 in the Summer. Vashon is going to be used as a proto-type in a new sustainability program, where we generate all our own power via renewable sources (solar and wind) within 10 years.

Google Map

(More than you probably wanted to know!) :-)
 
80Pacers Rule
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      Sun, Oct 23, 2005, 22:06 		Guru,
are you aware that there is another draft league in the spirit of RIHC that is getting going? It's discussed in this thread and is looking for your blessing and Guru guidance. Due to the late start, and also apparently due to player interest, there is a plan to conduct a live draft, which is scheduled to take place in about 48 hours. Presently, they are missing a G and a F spot in the league setup page. There are a couple of duplicate owners in this league (who are also playing in other RIHC leagues) though in my case, I'm just helping my buddy Jesus Saves with his team. He's not played a roto league before.

I'm not sure how this is viewed in terms of a 'qualifying' league, particularly if there are rule differences between it and RIHC. I'm sure a post by you in that thread to give some feedback would be appreciated.
 
81skinneej
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      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 01:02 		I've been keeping up during the day when I had a chance to check in, but did not get a chance to respond. Even though Wilma is not supposed to give us any trouble here on the Carolina coast, the weather is supposed to be much cooler the next couple days so we enjoyed the beach today!

RE:66&68 - LPG, I didn't even realize that I had chosen your 1st three picks as surprises. I really didn't pay close attention to the managers, but I did know Tosh had taken Carmelo because he took him right before my turn. I remember being surprised at the time, but maybe I was in the minority.

My player ranking system is based on the ESPN player rater, which I approximated the formulas they used for each category and created my own. The projections I use are based on recent year stats which are weighted heavier toward the most recent years. For players with at least 3 years experience it's pretty easy to do, but I do have to make manual adjustments for players that have a role change or are adjusting into a new team. The rookies are basically guesses from what I have seen in the preseason and somewhat from their college career.

I expect that since many managers from the different RIHC leagues use the Rotowire projections, then it could be bias that is causing an influence, since each league is watching the other. I would have to see a larger sample to know if that was the case. Maybe everyone just has really high expectations of Carmelo in his 3rd year and I'm not giving him his due. I saw him as a 6th rounder this year, but if he does live up to the potential then you will certainly be letting me know!! Besides, you and LPG will probably finish higher than me anyway and can let me know what you think of my analysis!

RE:77, The round-by-round team rankings are a little less scientific than reverse engineering a ranking system. Based on the projections for each player, I sum the categories for each team and then use formulas to create the categorical rankings which leads to the overall rankings. Basically, I do exactly what every roto league does, but supply projections instead of actual stats. I guess to answer your question, I use the rankings to see where my team falls in each category relative to the other teams to determine where I need to improve. Maybe, I should be using an optimization routine to choose my next player for me, but that is a little more that I wanted to do. ;)
 
82Doug
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      ID: 02730280
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 03:49 		I'm back... Mike posted a rationale but not a pick. I'll send a one-man queue to Guru otherwise pick when I get up around 8:30am PST.
 
83Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 08:41 		Quite glad to have Amare. I suppose round 13 is reasonable for picking up an FA that's about the same quality of the pick we sacrificed here. New season, new risks, same old Euros! ;)

On a point that is somewhat related...Guru, did you hear back from Yahoo regarding the new IL rules yet? It never really crossed my mind when we selected Amare, but i suppose it could affect us if we no longer have IL spots, and need to keep him on our active roster somewhere.
 
84Mike D
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      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 08:50 		Yeah sorry Doug, was about to go to bed when KnicksFan picked. 2 NBA box scores weren't available yet. One involved Phoenix, and Jackson was high on my list. Wanted to be able to check it this am before picking.......don't blame me, blame the stat feeds. ;)
 
85Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 08:54 		Sure, sure.

This was really a "wait until breakfast time " pick.
 
86Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 08:56 		Have not heard back from Yahoo, other than the initial response in post 19.
 
87Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 08:56 		I don't subscribe to the "only pick at mealtime" method of Pacers Rule. ;)
 
89Pacers Rule
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      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 13:32 		Some decisions are best not made on an empty stomach :-)

Doug, what's up with swiping my "Camby insurance?"
 
90Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 15:13 		Sorry Pacers... as they say, that's just the way the ankle crumbles... or something like that.

I'm in the process of moving so I'm gonna be out for a while today... sending one-man queue to Guru... if he's gone I'll need to do some reasearch to decide on my pick and I'm not sure when I'll be back online to do that... just an FYI.
 
91Pacers Rule
      ID: 46946127
      Mon, Oct 24, 2005, 22:59 		OK, Blount can double as my Al Jefferson and my Camby insurance, then ;-)

Almost done, fellas, and well ahead of schedule.

Amazing there's still so many viable players out there at this point.
 
92Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 03:47 		That's only because I've been drafting all the unviable players lately...
 
93Pacers Rule
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      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 09:40 		Maybe it's my imagination, but it seems like we have more preseason injuries than normal this year. And some of them potential biggies affecting the standings (Amare, Iverson, Hill). We'll have to see once the regular season starts how many of these injures are real and how many missed games were truly 'precautionary'.
 
94Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 11:19 		I think it's your imagination.
 
95Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 11:27 		With one AAA league and four AA leagues, you should assume that the threshhold for returning next year is higher than before.

I suspect that only the top 3-4 teams will get invited back. If we add in 4 AA winners and 3-4 top teams from the AA league, that's 12 for next year.

I'll reserve judgment until the season is over and do what seems approiate after the facts are in. But I thought it fair to point out that if you find yourself at some point playing for the "right to return" rather than for first place, finishing 5th or 6th is probably not going to get it done, and finishing 4th puts you on the bubble.
 
96Mike D
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      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 11:34 		Dun Dunnnnnn!

Felt the proper organ music needed to be added to the end of that last post......
 
97Doug
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      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:21 		.02... if winning a AA is an automatic pass to the main league, I think you would want to ensure that no manager had a team in multiple leagues.
 
98Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:25 		True. And (brainstorming) should AA go to AAA first?
 
99Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:28 		For the very first time, I did not receive a Kafenatid email notice for this round.
 
100Pacers Rule
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      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 12:44 		Yeah I had wondered about how qualifying for next year would go, specifically with all these AA leagues. That's why at one point I had wondered about an "A" designation. At least if we get bumped down to AAA, a few of us can make it back in to the big show the next year. I would think it would be similarly difficult to remain in AAA with all the players coming down from the main league and some moving up from AA leagues as well. Perhaps there may end up needing to be 2 AAA leagues? Hmmm. It's great that more are participating, though! Hopefully we'll have less mid-season dropouts this year. I do have to say in the 'live draft' AA league, there are a couple teams in there that weren't originally invited, and 2 of them have yahoo id's that were created within the last 3 days without any kid of identity verification. Hopefully there's no funny business going on there. We draft this evening and so far the commish doesn't appear to be taking any action to address the situation. One of the causualties of these extra teams has been Addicted, who was one of the first/original 12. Fortunately, Rand is bowing out due to participating in another AA league to allow Addicted to participate. I know Rand is disappointed but it was a nice thing to do. Maybe he can still get a quality live draft experience, however. I have an idea....
 
101Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:00 		Once this draft completes and the league is activated on Yahoo!... if they haven't figured out their IL policy... do we want to implement our own? Allow players who are known to be out for at least a week or whatever to be dropped to the FA pool (but be unavailable to other managers) until such time as Yahoo! straigtens things out? Hopefully this won't be an issue, but figured we should discuss it just in case. I am one of the teams with a player who'll be out for a while (Shaun Livingston - 4 weeks).
 
102Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:27 		Typically, Yahoo has not enabled the IL designation until the season starts. I think we need to wait until then before implementing any end run, although we can certainly discuss the possibilities now.
 
103Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:27 		One other thought on the AA->RIHC topic... I agree with Pacers it's great to see more people getting involved... but say the trend continues and that there are 6 AA leagues next year... it'll nearly be to the point you need to win RIHC just to say in RIHC.

I would propose some sort of a breakdown by level that serves as a guideline that remains in place regardless of whether there's 2 AA leagues or 8 AA leauges... 1 AAA league or 2 AAA leagues, etc. I think you want to allow for enough movement that everyone feels they have a shot to be in the main invitational league each year (RIHC), but at the same time reward managers who have a history of consistent performance with a slightly lower bar than you set for a newcomer.

An example of that philosophy might be, "Each year RIHC invitations will be made along the following general guidelines: 4-5 returning RIHC managers, 3-4 AAA mananagers, and 2-3 AA managers."

That would be 9-12 managers, 10-13 if you add Guru separately... meaning there's still some flexibility within the system to adjust up or down at each level depending on particular circumstances of each season. But I definitely think you want to have at least as many RIHC managers as you do AAA managers invited in any given year, and at least as many AAA managers as you do AA managers... otherwise the league "levels" sort of lose their meaning.

Ultimately it's Guru's format and his decision, just offering my unsolicited take on it. =-)
 
104Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:30 		Re: 102... no problem on waiting until season-start, but it just seems prudent to make sure we have a Plan B (given post #19 and presumably no additional information since then).
 
105Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:41 		My posture on duplicate managers is that if someone has more than one team, the team in the lower league is ineligible for advancement.

My understanding of PR's involvement on one AA team is that he is acting as an adviser to a friend with limited experience. I'll consider this to be his friend's team for now, but if at some point PR seems to be running that show, then that team would be ineligible for advancement.

I think Swish has a AA team as well. That team will not be eligible to advance.

Are there any other duplicate managers?

The large number of AA teams is obviously a positive development, but it is crowding the transition process. It may be that I cannot award every AA winner a slot in the RIHC next year.

It seems likely that we will want to create a second AAA league next year. That will create more opportunities for advancement from AA, but will also crowd the RIHC possibilities.

At this point, I think I need to preserve flexibility for next year's rite of ascension. I will try to award advancement opportunities in a fair way, but until I see how the various leagues shake out this year, I don't want to prejudge what makes the most sense. So for now, my cautions are these:

1. If you are in the RIHC, it is possible that no more than 3-4 teams will get to return.

2. If you are in the AAA league, it is possible that no more than 3 teams will get to advance.

3. If you are in a AA league, it is possible that the winner will not advance all the way up to the RIHC next year. Some (or maybe all) AA winners may only get to move up to AAA.

In other words, assume nothing.
 
106Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 13:56 		I'm certainly cool with that, Guru. From my own perspective, i only entered one of the AA divisions to get some more top flight Yahoo roto commish and playing experience. Obviously, there are several combinations of relegation/promotion scenarios and as yet undetermined variables that would cause a conflict of interest with EuroGollum, so i totally understand your take on the issue.
 
107Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 14:19 		In response to 105..... Dun Dunnnnnn!
 
108Pacers Rule
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      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 14:19 		Guru,
Just so you know, there may be at least one manager who is in more than one AA league. Rand was until he stepped aside for Addicted to join in the live draft AA league. My guess is these managers were simply looking for more good fun as opposed to extra lottery tickets to the big show and will be fine with whatever guidelines you set up.

Mike D may be looking to get in on a little live draft action....
 
109Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 14:20 		Re #107
nearly uncontrollable LOL!!
 
111skinneej on the road
      ID: 475718
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 23:44 		Just catching up with some of the discussion, but I would assume that in any invitational league of this nature, that only those finishing in the upper half would be considered for return anyway. Then, looking at the next levels, a dividing point could be stated or a natural dividing line may emerge. If I rememeber from AAA last season, the top 3 teams were very close and then there was a gap between 3 and 4. I would think that is where the discretion comes in. Maybe the last team that doesn't make the RIHC cut did a great job but had a bad hand dealt with injuries and just missed it. Maybe the tie-breaker should be trades made. Trader Mike is a shoo-in!
 
112Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 23:53 		I don't know, skinneej. So far Doug is leading the league in trades!
 
113Edgar
      Dude
      ID: 00458944
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 08:11 		How does everybody feel about the draft? Things are getting closer now!
 
114Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 08:40 		I'll set up a separate "Draft Recap" thread once we complete the draft.
 
115Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 12:27 		Just received this today from Yahoo fantasy sports, in response for a request about how they would handle the IL this season:
Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Fantasy Sports.

We have decided to strip all leagues of the IL. Fantasy Basketball is based on real Basketball and we felt it best to follow their new rules
instead of making up our own. Enjoy the season.
Obviously, we need to decide what we want to do. It seems rather unfair to simply make this change after we have drafted on a different setup. What reasonable alternatives do you suggest (reasonable in terms of administrative complexity)?
 
116Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 12:34 		We can either add a bench spot, or leave things the way they are. With only 3 bench spots, I'd hate to see a team decimated by holding some injured players. On the other hand, a healthy team doesn't need the extra bench spots, and having say 4 or 5 seems excessive in that scenario. I'm just thinking out loud here.
 
117Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 12:38 		Possible adjustments:

1. Add one or 2 additional bench slots, which can be used for anyone. This is the simplest accommodation to make administratively, since it requires no special handling for injured players. It does provide an unexpected advantage to rosters with no injury problems, and also reduces the viable free agent pool.

2. Create our own internal definition of an injured player, and allow teams to protect those players, either by allowing 1-2 extra bench slots which are restricted to those players, or by allowing teams to drop those players while keeping first rights to add them if/when they become active.

This gets us the closest to our original intent, but creates some additional administrative burdens. (For now, lets assume we could reach an agreement on how to define an injured player.)

Any other ideas?
 
118Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 12:43 		Not a different idea, but I'm leaning----in this league----toward adding 1 bench spot to every team. Continuing the draft for 1 more round if possible. 2 seems to be too many.
 
119Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:17 		Good morning (or afternoon as the case may be)... I'd like to find an answer to this before making my next pick... I'm deciding between two players... was leaning towards one in particular but our decision on this could easily sway my choice.

My .02 is at this point, the best option seems to be adding 2 additional bench slots which are restricted to "injured" players... basically making those slots a surrogate DL. If all your players are healthy, then you leave those 2 slots empty. Basically, the league would function the same as it would have originally, just that the DL administration is a bit manual.

I prefer this to dumping the players back in the pool and keeping first rights... seems a lot less work to administer this way. The only question that would remain is how to define "injured"... but being on the team's inactive list seems to effectively be the current-season equivalent. There may be some players "rotated" on/off inactive lists as the 11th or 12th man, but I doubt those are going to be particularly fantasy noteworthy players, so I don't think we'd really have an issue with that (just inferring, obviously we have no experience with this yet). I also think we can amend the definition of an injured player if as the season gets underway an obvious glitch emerges... so long as we're consistent with the general intent of the IL (a place to hold injured/suspended/etc. players until they return to active play).

I don't like the "add a bench slot" approach because as noted it provides a small advantage to teams whose players remain healthy, dwindles an already meager FA pool, and furthermore is an effective halving of our agreed-upon DL (from 2 players to 1) for those who DO have injury issues (and/or drafted with this expectation). I think we could have elected this option if we were having this discussion a few weeks ago... certainly we might elect this approach next year.

So my suggestion would be to change the rules to the following, where "IL slot" refers to the 2 extra roster slots:

1. Any drafted player may immediately be placed in a fantasy IL slot if the player begins the season on the inactive list.

2. Any fantasy IL-eligible player may immediately be placed in an fantasy IL slot if he has appeared in an NBA game since the time he was added to the roster.

3. Any other player may only be placed in a fantasy IL slot after he has been on the roster for a minimum for 10 days.

Something like that...
 
120Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:24 		At first thought, I'm reluctant to take the easy way out and simply add a bench slot or two.

Having a general bench slot (as opposed to an IL slot) changes the relative value of injury prone players - Stoudemire in particular, but others in general. With certain slots restricted to injured players, having an injured player does not necessarily put a team at a relative bench disadvantage.

I'd like to come up with an objective way to define an injured player, and set up a couple of bench slots that could only be used for players who meet that definition. Monitoring might be a pain, but I think it is doable.
 
121Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:26 		Doug took a longer-winded approach to saying the same thing.
 
122Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:35 		Just to be clear, I don't think formalizing the definition of "injured" would affect my pick one way or the other (that can come later), it's just the roster implementation part of it that I'll need official word on before picking.
 
123hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:36 		Doug - I just read [1]. Who was the player you were speakin of and what round was it.
 
124Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:39 		Is there a reliable daily updated site that we could use for injuries to define which players are "injured"? I'm not too clued in on anywhere apart from Fanball and Rotoworld, but it seems that Rotoworld does have an injuries page that is updated daily i.e. it has been updated today already: Rotoworld Injuries List.

I guess anyone who isn't listed at say-to-day could be classed as "injured", and qualify for a pseudo-IL slot (which i would also prefer instead of 1 or more totally open bench slots).

Like the others, i'm just brainstorming - this might not be practical.
 
125Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:52 		I don't think that being on the NBA "inactive list" is the proper definition. For openers, I don't know how easy it will be to see the updated (or historic) inactive list at any time. Second, it is more inclusive than a true IL would be. For example, anyone playing in the developmental league might be considered as "inactive", but not "injured".

I think we need to agree on some general guidelines that define an injured player, and then either have managers self-administer, or require that the Commish approve (or disapprove, subject to appeal) any IL designation.

I also think that we would need to have a weekly review, at which time any players who had returned to action would have to be removed from the IL slot. This is different than the Yahoo approach used to be, but would actually be a desirable change, IMHO.
 
126Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 13:57 		The RotoWorld injuries list linked above is one potential source, although players listed as "day-to-day" should be excluded.

Perhaps we could define a "safe haven", such that any player who is listed on a recognized list (such lists to be pre-specified) as injured with a prognosis longer than "day-to-day" would automatically qualify. Any other player could be added only subject to Commisioner approval.
 
127Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 14:04 		We could also specify that every Monday (or some regular day each week), the Commish should review each roster to ensure that any IL slots are appropriate. Also, once a player returns to game action, a team should be required to vacate that IL slot in 7 days or less. In the event that a team fails to do this, the Commish could be empowered to drop that player after a suitable warning period.

I'm assuming that a weekly review would not be too onerous for a Commissioner to perform, although I may reconsider that as the details are developed.
 
128Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 14:07 		At some point I'd also like to figure out exactly when drafted players can be placed on IL (assuming we use a pseudo-IL approach). "When the season begins"... is that midnight of Nov. 1? Or Nov. 2? Which time zone? Or tip-off of the first game? Scheduled or actual? Or...?

Re: 123... I think it was Villanueva. Wasn't sure at the time if he'd be getting much regular-season action, though recent reports seem to indicate he'll see some time... which would bump him up a bit on my sheet! =-) Basically I had just penciled in 1-2 guys for each pick through every round of the draft, just to get a ballpark idea of what talent I could expect in future rounds for the purposes of planning and trades... Villanueva was representative of a "roll-the-dice-on-his-upside" rookie pick... but I wasn't necessarily gunning for him specifically. The rooks started coming off a bit earlier than I expected, so I bumped my roll-the-dice pick up to round 12 and took Marvin Williams.
 
129Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 14:07 		ESPN also typically updates an injury report, although it isn't yet in use.
 
130Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 14:10 		Doug - I won't release undrafted players to be added (via waivers) until we resolve our IL rules. But I don't think we'll be able to hammer out the details before your next pick!
 
131Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 14:23 		For a baseball league I'm in, we use Rototimes as our official injury list, and find them to be updated quite regularly.

I have no idea how good they are in hoops.
 
132Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 15:42 		At the risk of excessive wordiness (and I can certainly be wordier if needed), how does this sound:

Three bench slots are available to hold any player. Two additional bench slots will be enabled, but are restricted as “injury slots”, hereafter abbreviated as “IS”.

An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).

Once a player appears in an NBA game, he is no longer eligible to fill an IS, even if a published source fails to remove his listing. When a player is no longer IS eligible, the team shall have a limited amount of time to remove that player from the IS, as defined below.

If a manager wishes to move a player into an IS but cannot find a confirming source, he may request that the Commissioner approve the designation. The Commissioner shall use his best judgment in making such a determination.

If any manager believes that another team has improperly moved a player into an IS, he may file a protest with the Commissioner. If any manager disagrees with a Commissioner ruling, he may request a league vote. Six votes shall be required to overturn any Commissioner ruling related to an IS.

Each Wednesday, the Commissioner shall review all rosters to assure that any filled injury slots are appropriate. In the event that an IS is improperly filled, the Commissioner will notify the manager of the violation via the email link at the Yahoo site. The notified manager will have 48 hours to correct the roster or to provide a satisfactory explanation. If a breach remains uncorrected 48 hours after notice, the Commissioner shall have the authority to drop a bench player in order to bring the roster into conformance. The player dropped will be based upon the Commissioner’s judgment as to the best interests of the impacted team.

The Commissioner shall have the latitude to extend the time for curing a breach if he knows that the manager is unreachable and/or unavailable to make the adjustment.

No player which is in an IS slot may be placed in a starting slot on any day unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot, or unless another player is eligible to replace that player in the vacated IS. In the event of a violation, the Commissioner may elect to void any stats generated by improperly activated player.

As before, no player may be picked up as a free agent and immediately placed in an IS. Free agent additions are only IS eligible 10 days after pickup, unless the player has appeared in an NBA game after the pickup and the IS eligibility occurred thereafter.
 
133Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 15:46 		Essentially, the above criteria will be self administered except once a week on Wednesdays, when I will screen all rosters.

If we go this way, the Qualifying leagues are not necessarily bound by this approach. Each QL Commish will have to decide what he's willing to do.
 
134Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 15:54 		When you say " unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot ". I assume you mean that an active player from your team is dropped from the roster to waivers. Of course there is an eligible active player that can be moved to IS.

Or am I missing something?
 
135Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 15:58 		I meant unless there is an eligible active player that can be moved to IS.
 
136Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 15:59 		correct
 
137Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 16:00 		Fine with me.
 
138Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 16:40 		Sounds good to me.
 
139Pacers Rule
      ID: 31261810
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 16:42 		I move to approve.
 
140Pacers Rule
      ID: 31261810
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 17:22 		By the way, if/when the draft moves to me for round 15, I'll be able to pick late tonight.
 
141Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 17:32 		Wow, Doug times out.

Hoops taking advantage right away of the Magloire trade.
 
142Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 17:59 		Please post your rationales for the last 2 rounds here, and I'll copy them over. Don't post them in the rationale thread unless they would already be in sequence.
 
143hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 17:59 		Magloire was traded?
 
144Doug @ parents
      ID: 49112252
      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 21:06 		As I'm sure you all know, I'm still in the process of moving... lost connectivity unexpectedly several hours ago in the middle of the IR conversation. Just got online at my folks' place... will review and pick in a minute.
 
145Doug @ parents
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      Wed, Oct 26, 2005, 21:11 		OK, went with Foster with the expectation I'll be able to put him on IR until he starts playing in a few weeks.
 
147lionprideguy
      Leader
      ID: 906204
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 03:39 		(checking the NBA page on ESPN again real quick to make sure there's not any other trades in the NBA today that I missed but need to know about before drafting ...)

And we're done!!! A few days ahead of schedule, nice job everybody.

For our version of Mr. Irrelevant in the draft, at the last pick, Michael Olowokandi! I grew up in Northern California and lived in Lodi when Olokandi was playing college ball next door in Stockton at UOP. So half the fun of this pick is to be able to make fun of him for plummetting from overrated, unchallanged center at UOP and first pick in the NBA draft to the very last, final pick in the last round of the RIHC Draft.

Terrible reasoning for a pick, I know. But I'm exhausted and it's been a 18-hour workday with another one starting just 6 hours away, so I'm going to sleep, thanks.
 
148Guru
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      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 09:53 		Regarding the injury slots - when should we open up their availability?

If we were using the old Yahoo approach, we would have to wait until the season starts, since IL designations are not made until then.

I would suggest that we continue that practice. That is, players cannot be moved to an IS until the season starts. This gives every team an equal shot at all undrafted players before injury slots open up extra bench spaces for some teams.

Comments?

 
149Dave R
      Dude
      ID: 3010361110
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 10:04 		I agree
 
150Pacers Rule
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      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 12:44 		Makes sense particularly in light of past practice which is a reasonable expectation in terms of draft decision-making. Hence...I move to approve :-)

As an aside, I hope it puts your mind at ease Guru that I picked up another Pacer in the waning moments of the draft. Now at least I have as many Pacers as Pistons. Truth be told I wanted some more Pacer players on my squad. Unfortunately, they were in higher demand than I anticipated. Had I know J.O. was going to get some starts at C here in the preseason, with a wildcard shot at becoming C eligible, I may have selected him over VC, esp. since my first round pick was a PG.

Jesus Saves and I deliberated over J.O. versus big Z in the second round of the Live draft AA league. Of course, when you've only got 90 seconds, you can only deliberate so long. We went with Z but probably we should have gone J.O. I do love Z's %'s at the line, however.
 
151Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 13:33 		I agree in principle, but still looking for a specific definition (to the minute) of when exactly "the season starts".
 
154Guru
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      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 13:54 		Doug[151] - my understanding of past precedent is that IL status would not have been declared until the first game day. In Yahoo terms, this would mean that no player would have been IL eligible until at least some time on Tuesday, Nov. 1.

Thus, I would suggest that we can move a player into an injury slot starting at noon Eastern time on November 1. This should put those in all time zones on a reasonably available posture.

I realize that this means that you can't pick up a replacement player to be active on Nov. 1, but so be it. You wouldn't have been able to do that under the prior framework either.
 
155Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 13:59 		I plan to activate the league at approximately 3pm this afternoon. The significance of this is that this is when the waiver clock will start ticking for all undrafted players. 48 hours later - around 3pm on Saturday afternoon - all players should clear waivers, and free agent pickups will be enabled.

You should each check your roster prior to Saturday to be sure that I have properly entered your draft picks.

Waiver priorities are initially set in inverse draft order. Lionprideguy will have top priority, and Dave R will be last.
 
156Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 14:03 		I notice that when I went to reset our bench slots from 3 to 5 (to accommodate 2 injury slots), I was not given a menu option to select any IL slots, so Yahoo has made some programming changes to disable that option.
 
157Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 14:13 		Diaw for MVP!! Or should that be MIP? Either would be fine ;)
 
158Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:26 		I just activated the league. All undrafted players are on waivers, and listed to clear on Oct 30. (I'm not sure why it isn't Oct 29.)

If you notice any roster errors, please report them prior to Saturday, if possible.
 
160Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:27 		MIP = Most Inconsequential Player?
 
161KnicksFan
      ID: 23741312
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:45 		MIP = Man In Pants (aka Street Clothes)
 
162Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:55 		MIP = Man In Pajamas (warm-up outfit, i.e. benchwarmer)
 
163Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 15:56 		MIP = Most Irritating Player (he's French)
 
164Gescom on vacation
      ID: 499572715
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 18:23 		Doug,
Any love for French bashing ?
 
165Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 19:04 		Don't worry Gescom, they're all just distraught at missing out on this year's Boumtje-Boumtje!

Maybe i should edit that to read MIA instead of MIP, guys? ;)
 
166Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 19:34 		La verite, j'ai beaucoup d'amour pour les Francaise... mais en mon pays c'est plus amusant dire qu'ils sont les chiens du monde!!! =-p (pardon ma grammaire, je n'ai pas parler la langue depuis longtemps)
 
167Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Oct 27, 2005, 19:46 		Sacré bleu!
 
176Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 11:32 		Great job on the rationales this year! I think this has been the best draft in terms of keeping the rationales current, thoughtful, and entertaining across the board.
 
177Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 13:32 		Wow. Prompt, intelligent, engaging. Where did you find such an outstanding cast of characters?

Personal injury report: No narcotics needed for 24 hours now, Appetite returning, 6 lbs lost.

(Every cloud has a silver lining.)
 
178Doug
      Leader
      ID: 02730280
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:01 		(And as I'm sure you've found out, every colon has a greenish lining...)
 
179Gescom on vacation
      ID: 499572715
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 14:11 		Nice tries Doug & Guru !
 
181Pacers Rule
      Donor
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Oct 28, 2005, 23:29 		All this lack of eating has left me REALLY HUNGRY! Steak, Guiness, and M&M's never tasted so good. Welcome back, 6 lbs. Make it 7.
 
182hoopsklyce
      ID: 41848256
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 07:24 		regarding injury policy about the following ammendment

A player is eligible for the injury slot after X games of DNP. I propose X is 3.

That way I don't need to wade through the injury reports. Also then you don't need to be subjective about the description of the injury.
 
183Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 09:49 		Let's move further discussion to the regular season discussion thread.