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Subject: RIHC 2006-07: Regular season discussion #1

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 07:55
Draft rationales are complete, undrafted players have cleared waivers, and we're good to go.

I figured it would be good to recap the rules regarding the injury slots:
Three bench slots are available to hold any player. Two additional bench slots will be enabled, but are restricted as “injury slots”, hereafter abbreviated as “IS”.

An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).

Once a player appears in an NBA game, he is no longer eligible to fill an IS, even if a published source fails to remove his listing. When a player is no longer IS eligible, the team shall have a limited amount of time to remove that player from the IS, as defined below.

If a manager wishes to move a player into an IS but cannot find a confirming source, he may request that the Commissioner approve the designation. The Commissioner shall use his best judgment in making such a determination.

If any manager believes that another team has improperly moved a player into an IS, he may file a protest with the Commissioner. If any manager disagrees with a Commissioner ruling, he may request a league vote. Six votes shall be required to overturn any Commissioner ruling related to an IS.

Each Wednesday, the Commissioner shall review all rosters to assure that any filled injury slots are appropriate. In the event that an IS is improperly filled, the Commissioner will notify the manager of the violation via the email link at the Yahoo site. The notified manager will have 48 hours to correct the roster or to provide a satisfactory explanation. If a breach remains uncorrected 48 hours after notice, the Commissioner shall have the authority to drop a bench player in order to bring the roster into conformance. The player dropped will be based upon the Commissioner’s judgment as to the best interests of the impacted team.

The Commissioner shall have the latitude to extend the time for curing a breach if he knows that the manager is unreachable and/or unavailable to make the adjustment.

No player which is in an IS slot may be placed in a starting slot on any day unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot, or unless another player is eligible to replace that player in the vacated IS. In the event of a violation, the Commissioner may elect to void any stats generated by improperly activated player.

As before, no player may be picked up as a free agent and immediately placed in an IS. Free agent additions are only IS eligible 10 days after pickup, unless the player has appeared in an NBA game after the pickup and the IS eligibility occurred thereafter.


Eligible drafted players may be played in an injury slot immediately. However, any player added as a free agent is now subject to the 10-day rule for IS eligibility.
 
1Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 20:21 		I'd like to change one of my draft recap surprises.

I am now surprised by the tardiness of completed draft recaps. 3 out of 12 after 4 days seems a little slow to me compared to past years. Come on fellas, keep 'em coming.
 
2lionprideguy
      ID: 32357261
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 03:25 		Hahaha ... enjoying reading the draft summaries from everybody, thanks for the great recaps so far.

NBA Tip-Off eve, this was a nice 3-4 day break as the calm before the storm of the next 6 months. Good luck to everybody for an injury-free, fun season!
 
3Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 07:02 		Couldn't do any trading....everyone is happy with their team. For now. Let the games begin!
 
4Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 31, 2006, 14:33 		I'll be producing the standings page with capabilities to generate stats over a range of dates again this season. To make this work properly, you need to keep your team name constant throughout the season.

If you want to change your team name, please do so by the end of tonight. After that, please leave it alone.
 
5Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 10:59 		The public league page, with standings, stats (including GP), and links to the splits is now up and operational. It appears to be running OK, but let me know if you notice any links that are botched, or processing that's off.

You can get to it by clicking on the league icon on the blurb page. Or you can simply bookmark this link:
http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/RIHC.html

Remember that the splits can be run on a range of dates, using either stat totals or per game averages. After 2 days, I kind of like the per game version.
 
6Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 11:19 		As always, these stats are super useful, especially the per games averages, thanks Guru.

Did Yahoo not show the games played totals on the overall standings last season? That's a total pain if they've removed that. Maybe i'm just mis-remembering though.

We should just all give up the chase anyway, since Uptown has this thing sewn up already after 2 game days ;)
 
7RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 11:31 		Nice night from my 15th rounder, Hakim, but at the expense of gawd-aweful 4-12 FT shooting.
 
8Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Nov 02, 2006, 11:54 		[6] Yes, Yahoo did provide the total game played on the standings page last year, but it's not shown this year. I have to extract those numbers from each team's page listing games played by position. Fortunately, it was easy to automate, and my macro doesn't mind the extra work.
 
9RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 10:18 		Re [6,8]:

Are you talking about games used? That is still there on the My Team page, near the bottom. The Maximum Games link.
 
10Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 10:27 		re:6

Make that after 3 days!
 
11Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 11:05 		re[9] Yes, that's the source I was referencing in post 8. Last year, the data was also listed as a column on the league standings page, where it was easy to see all teams at once.

Now, to see that info for all teams on one page, I guess you have to use my standings.
 
12Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 12:18 		Yeah, it was the GP totals specifically on the overall standings page i was talking about. Good job we have Guru!

[bitch mode]I don't like the new Yahoo interface at all. You can't see the GP beside each player on the team pages, and there's no filtering for averages on players on your team page either, only totals. Why did they mess with it? The interface was just fine the way it was before.[/bitch mode]

I guess i'll just have to get on with it and be content with Michael Redd averaging about 40ppg :)
 
13Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 12:48 		I also don't like that you can't get to the full standings page from anywhere from the league front page. I like it better when that link was available from the players page and my team page. They did the same thing for baseball and I still haven't gotten used it.
 
14Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 14:38 		Al Harrington was listed as the starting center for Indy last night.

What a cool windfall that would be if he soon qualifies at center!

(Does anyone recall what the Yahoo eligibility standards are for adding position eligibility?)
 
15Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Fri, Nov 03, 2006, 14:43 		"What determines the position eligibility for each player?"

Initial position eligibility for each player was determined based on past participation and information supplied by the teams during the off-season.

Players are eligible at one or more positions during the 2005-06 Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Basketball season depending upon their real-life participation.

All position eligibility requests are reviewed by Yahoo! Sports and confirmed with our NBA sources. Due to the nature of the review process, we are unable to comment on each individual player request.

Updates are made during the regular season based on changes to the lineups and official team rosters. Players do not lose position eligibility when moving from one real-life position to another. So, if a forward begins to play regular shifts as a center, he is eligible for the remainder of the season as a forward and a center.

New positions are added when it is confirmed that a player's primary position has changed and that the change is not expected to be a temporary one.

When a player has earned eligibility at a new position, the position is visible on the pull-down menu on your team roster.

 
16Florian
      Leader
      ID: 034815289
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 00:02 		My third and fourth round picks have performed terribly so far. At least Brad Miller has a good excuse (unlike Marbury):

Brad Miller-C- Kings Nov. 6 - 8:45 pm et

Brad Miller's injured left foot is expected to keep him sidelined for at least four weeks.
Miller was diagnosed with a torn plantar fascia in his left foot Monday after averaging just 6.0 PPG and shooting 8-for-28 from the floor. Shareef Abdur-Rahim should take over at center while Kenny Thomas will continue to start at power forward for the Kings. Both players should be picked up in most leagues in Miller's absence.

Source: Rotoworld
 
17Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 00:03 		Miller used to get hurt every year. He's a tough guy to own, but when he plays, he usually plays well.
 
18Florian
      ID: 32840258
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 09:52 		Was worried about that when I drafted him. I looked at the past five years and he'd only played less than 72 games once(and averaged 71) in the previous five years, so I felt those were good odds. Once again looks like I was wrong.
 
19Uptown Bomber @ work
      ID: 45772916
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 18:06 		Now that Rotowire is reporting that LaFrentz is out for two weeks, is it safe to slide him into the IL slot? I ask because yesterday when I checked for news on him, most reports were still saying day-to-day.
 
20Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 21:44 		Yep. He's eligible.
 
21Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Tue, Nov 07, 2006, 22:49 		Thanks. I've made my pick-up.
 
22MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Wed, Nov 08, 2006, 18:46 		Since Rotowire reports that Al Jefferson underwent an emergency appendectomy, he now joins Mihm on my IR.
 
23Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Nov 09, 2006, 11:44 		After starting his first 4 games at center, I was disappointed to see Harrington listed as a starting forward last night, with Harrison starting at center. I was really hoping Harrington would get center eligibility. Maybe he still will at some point, but this probably throws some sand into those gears.
 
24Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Fri, Nov 10, 2006, 06:06 		I see Yahoo put the GP counter back on the overall standings - hurrah! Now Mike D can see at a glance how many games it's taken him to dismantle the competition ;)

Guru We're hoping for the same C eligibility thing with Murphy...damn coaches and their early season lineup changes.
 
25hoopsklyce
      ID: 41848256
      Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 21:18 		anyone know why yahoo is showing live stats last couple nights?
 
26hoopsklyce
      ID: 41848256
      Tue, Nov 14, 2006, 22:05 		Imeant to say why is yahoo NOT showing live stats
 
27lionprideguy
      ID: 32357261
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 03:53 		Hey Guru - a quick IR ruling if you don't mind, because I want to make sure to do the right thing:

With the waiver acquisition of Channing Frye tonight, I need to either move West to an IR spot to make room, or drop a player.

Pretty much every source I look at lists David West as being "out" right now. This is more certain than the ineligible day-to-day listing that cannot be used for an IR spot. While it's not for a long period of time, he's definitely "out" via injury reports on ESPN and Rotoworld, among others. There is also an article online at http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-2/1163574542190480.xml&coll=1 which states "David West could be sidelined for more than two games because he cannot extend the ring and pinky fingers in his right hand. "

At this time, I have moved West to a bench spot in reflection of his possible IR status. If it is judged he does not qualify based on this additional "out" information, I will cut another player Wednesday evening who is currently healthy and on my bench for Wednesday's games, so that there is no extra game benefit earned. At this time I will treat West as on the IR, but let me know if you or anybody objects. Thanks!
 
28Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 14:31 		Seems OK to me, albeit borderline.
 
29lionprideguy @work
      Leader
      ID: 906204
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 18:04 		Thanks - I know, it's borderline so that's why I thought I'd try and get an objective ruling about it since it's close enough to go either way. If a few owners want to object, maybe they can email Guru privately if somebody feels its incorrect but doesn't want to publicly post it. I'd respect that too. If only I could get IR status for Jason Richardson playing in games like his knee is still missing and on the operating room table.
 
30Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 18:35 		Nah, I'd be happy to object publicly. ;)
 
31RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Wed, Nov 15, 2006, 19:25 		Right now, I think I could ball better than Kaman is. Stupid hamstrings...who needs em.
 
32Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 04:23 		I bet you're glad you didn't take KMart now, skinneej! At least if he's out for the season, he isn't perpetually day to day!
 
33Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 11:38 		Harrington got his center eligibility overnight, and my team is dramatically improved, no longer needing to rely on Nene or Brezec as a second center. Woohoo! (Better to be lucky than smart).

I'm significantly lagging behind the field in games played, but am holding up surprisingly well against teams with a significant advantage in games. Some of those "missing" games are at center (6), which I'll still need either Primo or Nene to make up at some point. The rest will have to come from my bench, which is still a developing situation. I'm hopeful that Foye will be more productive later on, and have kept him on the bench for now. My other bench option is Shelden Williams as of this morning (dropped Radmanovich), another work in progress who may eventually play his way into spot starts on my team, or may end up back in the F/A pool when Primo start playing.

Clearly, those GP that I'm missing won't be made up at the same rate as the rest of my team, so looking at standings based solely on per-game averages is too generous, but I'm hopeful that if my guys can stay healthy, I can continue to put pressure on the guys in the upper half.
 
34Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 12:36 		Your per/game average is quite impressive. Especially sitting atop the mountain like that.....oh great Guru. ;)
 
35skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 18:49 		Swish, that was the first thing I thought of when I read the news!! Thank you for sparing me the anguish again. It's a good thing I established a short list of players never to own again (KMart, G Hill), but I was definitely tempted to break the rule on both guys yet again.
 
36coldwater coyotes
      ID: 43171811
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 21:29 		Can I pick up an extra player now that Villanueva is out for 4-6
weeks?
 
37Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Nov 16, 2006, 23:08 		Yep
 
39lionprideguy
      ID: 32357261
      Tue, Nov 21, 2006, 02:42 		Just a general status update - I'm flying out in a few hours to join the LMU team at the Alaska Shootout in Anchorage for the Thanksgiving holiday. Never been there before, famous tournament, and should be a lot of fun. We're on ESPN2 Wednesday night to start the tournament against the host UAA. I have no idea what to expect or predict for internet access while I'm up there, or what kind of consistancy (or importance) I'm going to put on checking in.

For the time away, I've kind of set my roster to plan to leave it alone until I get back Sunday night. David West is on my bench still out with his injury. If he starts playing again over the holidays, I'll cut another player as soon as I get back and before activating him. Anything major that needs to be done if there is a rules/compliance problem with my team I'm okay with Guru making that change.

Thanks and have a great Thanksgiving everybody!

Rob
 
40RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Wed, Nov 22, 2006, 14:53 		Can I ask for a running "Daily Personal Injury Exception" slot, just for owning Brevin Knight and Larry Hughes?
 
41Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 26, 2006, 13:23 		Just realized this morning that Howard is eligible at center now---since 11/16 (doh).
 
42Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 21:15 		Trade thoughts:

Just threw a couple out yesterday morning, in the hopes of moving depth, improving some categories, mix things up, stay awake, help chemistry, save a tree, and undo global warming. Mike V was the first to respond in any way........and it was over before I even had time to ponder my own offers. Kinda like a first round KO.
 
43Florian
      Leader
      ID: 034815289
      Thu, Dec 07, 2006, 22:48 		As Allen is now out for at least 7 games (as per Yahoo) I will stash him on my injured reserve. I'll guess I'll hang onto Simmons, who is out for the rest of the season, until my next player get seriously hurt and drop him then (just in case the prognosis changes after the first surgery).
 
44Rich
      ID: 84171719
      Fri, Dec 08, 2006, 08:17 		i hope u guys dont mind me asking a question. from reading the postings above it seems like some of u are playing Yahoo Fantasy Basketball. if so, how'd u get a IR slot added on ur rosters? am in a league also but we dont have any IR slot. am playing the Points Only type game. does it matter? can the IR slot be added or requested after the season has started?
 
45Weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Fri, Dec 08, 2006, 08:26 		Rich:
The IR slot is a bench slot that is monitored by the commish of the league.
The rules are posted in this thread in post Zero.
 
46Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Fri, Dec 08, 2006, 15:30 		Man, for having two Suns in that shootout last night, I certainly didn't have much to show for it this morning.
 
47Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 09:39 		No worries Uptown. This league is Guru's to lose.
 
48RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 11:16 		Speaking of losers, anyone peak at this crapstack of players on my rosters? I've never finished last at anything and its not starting now.
 
49Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 17:20 		Hehe, post 47 reads like the ultimate jinx.

I was looking over my team today trying to figure out trading options, but then I realized that in just about every category, I am sitting in the middle of the pack. I couldn't agree on any stat to chase after or give away. I settled on a FA pick up instead.
 
50Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 17:51 		One can hope. ;)

RSF, I loaded up 9 guys for Lebron and then backed off.
 
51skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 23:47 		Footwedge, are you active? No response from you in over two weeks.
 
52Florian
      Leader
      ID: 034815289
      Mon, Dec 11, 2006, 11:24 		What a terrible year my team is having! My first round pick (Bosh) can now join my second round pick (Allen) on the IR. My third round pick (Brad Miller) missed a month and is still working his way back into game shape. My fourth round pick is the world's biggest head case (Marbury), but at least he is playing. And I'm dropping my ninth round pick (Simmons), who is out for the year.
 
53Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 08:19 		The train is starting to derail, with Odom now out for a few months.

Oh well. Fun while it lasted!
 
54skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 09:18 		Tough one there Guru. Odom has played well so far. At least you're giving the rest of us a better chance now. I was considering picking up Mason the other day, but Wally has been day-to-day for the last five games and did not qualify for IR. If he plays tonight then I would have had to drop him anyway.

Footwedge, I have pulled my offers to you since there is still no response to e-mails or offers. Since you have been checking your team during that period, I am assuming you are either not interested or are not paying attention to your team page. If you want to discuss something in the future, you can e-mail me.
 
55lionprideguy
      ID: 32357261
      Sat, Dec 16, 2006, 04:41 		Welcome to the 06-07 season, Boris. Glad you showed up, seven weeks later.

Looks like it's that time in the season when the injuries are starting to bite us all - McGrady, Odom, West, Florian's team, etc. I've got 4 IR-eligible starters right now, and yet I don't think I have it as bad as some others.

Nice FT shooting by skineej's group, I think last year my current % would have put me top in that category, and this year both skineej and Guru have teams over 80% from the line.
 
56Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Dec 16, 2006, 08:43 		Yeah, and skinneej has Shaq too (sort of!).
 
57RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Sat, Dec 16, 2006, 08:59 		What the hell are you talking about??? Last night was the first time I had (nearly) a full roster. Of course Jameer and J Dubb making sure I'm not quite 100%...

Nowhere to go but up!
 
58Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Dec 16, 2006, 10:04 		Um...I was talking about skinneej's outstanding FT%...not being near the bottom of the standings. Climb back in that cave, Mr. Fluid (and trade me Lee-Bron).
 
59lionprideguy @work
      Leader
      ID: 906204
      Mon, Dec 18, 2006, 13:41 		Now that the penalties have been announced for the Denver-NY fight, how does that impact our roster spots and the IR? This won't matter for me much with JR Smith, as I already have David West and Steve Francis out, but what about those who hold Carmelo, Jeffries, or anybody else involved? They're out more than day to day, but they're not injured ... I don't remember if we had thought about this when we set out the roster rules. Just curious if those teams will have a chance to replace the player on their rosters.

BTW, 15 games for Carmelo was more than I had expected. Seems higher than any previous precedent or had been expected. After starting 13-9, you gotta figure that losing Carmelo for 15 games is a pretty serious blow for Denver's playoff chances/seeding, this suspension could have a huge impact on their entire season.
 
60Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Dec 18, 2006, 14:01 		I don't believe suspensions qualify for a an injury slot, but I don't recall a precedent either.

In the old days of the NBA injured reserve list (or whatever it was called), I don't believe that a suspended player qualified for an IR slot on Yahoo. CMIIW.
 
61Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Dec 18, 2006, 14:36 		It was an IR slot for "injured reserve," and suspension didn't qualify. I'm pretty sure about that.
 
62Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Mon, Dec 18, 2006, 17:58 		Seems like the suspended players should be the same as Iverson. Neither are injuries.

Speaking of which, I am placing Peja on the IR after his surgery.
 
63Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Dec 18, 2006, 22:37 		What? It was just a scope.

;)
 
64Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Dec 18, 2006, 22:57 		Checked May's "7-10" days updated by AP tonight, and that could be as many as 6 games, picked up Kleiza.
 
65skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Dec 21, 2006, 13:32 		Well, right now the high FT% is not helping me in other areas. I guess I overvalued that stat, but it was a strategy to be able to take on a guy like Shaq and not throw away any cats. With Shaq out, the FT% has been steadily going up, but I'm missing out on those key cats that he provides which is where I am hurting. I wonder if a fantasy team has ever shot 90%? Hmmm...

Well to add to Shaq and Wally on my IR, I may now be adding Dirk and R. Lewis. Not sure what their status is right now, but I expect a few games missed. Looks like my team is in for a rough few weeks. Thanks goodness for Kidd's nightly 3Ds!
 
66LPG in NorCal
      ID: 5093883
      Thu, Dec 21, 2006, 17:30 		More injury updates - with the report today that Paul Pierce is out at least two weeks with a foot injury, I added him to David West on my IR and picked up a replacement player (Collison).
 
67hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 14:23 		Can we have a league vote on suspended players being eligible for IL. To me it makes sense to that if a player is missing substantial games for whatever reason he can be replaced so the team still has a chance to compete. I thought that was the spirit of the rule. has Carmelo been placed on the Inactive list by the Nuggets?
 
68Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 14:34 		I'm willing to hold a league vote. But the rule was really intended to replicate the old Injured Reserve list, which would not have enabled a roster slot to be cleared for a suspended player.

Admittedly, we now have a simple means to administer this if we want to broaden the definition.

It's interesting that Hoopsklyce would raise the issue, as it doesn't impact his team now. (But maybe he's nervous with Artest and Sheed on his roster!)

Go ahead and vote yes or no to the following proposed rule addition:
A player will be eligible for an injury slot if he is suspended for 5 or more games.


 
69hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 14:39 		Whats wrong with Rasheed! :)

I am thinking Artest is about to go AWOL. I am so transparent to the guru
 
70hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 14:52 		I vote yes
Can the rule read a player is eligble for IL if not playing for 5 games?? For example, I don't think Iverson's owner would be able to IL him based on that wording.
 
71Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 14:57 		I had Jermaine O'Neal in the 04-05 season, and I don't think he was able to be put in the injury slot. Pretty sure I was a man down.

I vote no. Injuries only. I think that's the way Yahoo always was, and I think it works best.
 
72coldwater coyotes
      SuperDude
      ID: 229272412
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 15:02 		I vote Yes
 
73MikeV
      SuperDude
      ID: 25924115
      Fri, Dec 22, 2006, 16:14 		Yes
 
74Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Dec 23, 2006, 16:11 		All of a sudden I am finding myself overloaded at center.....will be looking to make a deal if anyone needs help there. Or elsewhere.
 
75Florian
      Leader
      ID: 034815289
      Sat, Dec 23, 2006, 23:39 		I vote no.
 
76LPG in NorCal
      ID: 5093883
      Sun, Dec 24, 2006, 03:37 		Hey guys - hope the holidays are going well for everybody.

I feel like the spirit/intent of the rule was injuries - I brought it up earlier to see if there was an established rule, and although I had always leaned toward no, I can see Klyce's point about enabling a team to be able to still compete. Initially I thought I would abstain from this vote because of my involvement with JR Smith on my roster. However, Yao's leg fracture tonight makes it kind of irrelevant - both Yao and David West will be out longer than Smith's suspension, so I'm going to have to make a decision about holding Smith or not having nothing to do with the suspended rule decision, it won't impact my team.

I had always thought I would vote no on it, but based on Kylce's point about giving a chance for a team to continue to participate/contribute, I think I'll actually vote yes. I'd hate to see someone completely wiped out of the RIHC league because of this - they still would take a big hit because the replacement player wouldn't nearly be as good as the suspended one, so there's still a loss involved but not completely damaging hopefully. Again, this shouldn't make a difference for me because Yao and West are already on my IR spots, but if someone thinks my ownership of Smith would make it invalid for me to vote, I'd be okay to abstain.

Yao now makes 4 of my 5 first rounders to miss significant injury time now. Guys like Pierce and West I drafted specifically because of their durability and that they were unlikely to miss time. The one who hasn't been injured was Diaw, who decided to take the Shaq O'Neal training program of using the first 6 weeks to play himself into shape, nice. I guess this mirrors my own team, LMU lost our top All-Conference senior stars this week to a torn ACL and a strained patella, and we're now going from looking to upset Gonzaga to hoping to get any win the next few win the next few weeks. Like our coach said, no other team is giong to have sympathy and play their 5-9 players against us to be nice - guess I'm going to have to go out and scrape for some FA pickups and hope Ariza, Frye, Collison, and Juwan Howard have career months!
 
77Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Mon, Dec 25, 2006, 17:17 		I vote no.

I think the intent of the rule concerned injuries, which as has been stated above was put into place to replace Yahoo's old IR. In the past, suspended players would not have been allowed onto the IR, so I do not think they should be allowed to now.
 
78Florian
      ID: 10942616
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 11:55 		Assuming Quentin Richardson misses his sixth straight game tonight (with back spasms), can I put him in one of my injured slots until he plays again?
 
79RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 13:02 		Yes on the suspension.
 
80Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 13:40 		Florian, sounds like it, yes
 
81Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 14:45 		Euros vote No. Suspensions are the player's fault, injuries are not. I don't think the IS slots should be applicable to a player that loses the plot on the court. That wasn't the reason they were created.
 
82Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 14:55 		Vote in progress recap:

yes 5 (RSF, HoopsKlyce, Mike V, CC, LPG)
no 4 (Euros, Florian, Mike D, Uptown Bombers)

not yet voting: Skinneej, Footwedge, Guru
 
83Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 16:19 		Okay, let me first say that I am not trying to be a jerk about this or call anyone out specifically, especially not you Hoopsklyce since I will be borrowing your words from earlier in the season, but I am a little surprised by the closeness of this vote. Below is Hoopsklyce's rationale for his Ron Artest pick in the draft.

4.11 Ron Artest, SF, Sac

I recognize the risk involved with taking Artest but it is just my gut feeling he will get through this season without any blowups. While Josh Smith can make an impact in blocks, Artest has the ability to make an impact in the steal category as well as generally contribute accross the stat sheet. Artest has the potential to perform like a third round pick or better and slipped to this point because I am sure other managers did not want to take on the risk he presents.

I realize that Artest is not the player being voted on, nor is Hoopsklyce directly impacted by the vote, but my point is this type of thinking (droppping players on your rankings based on potential volatility)went into the drafting strategy for at least two managers (myself and Hoopsklyce and I suspect many others based on the rationales leading up to Mike D's Stephen Jackson pick in round 11.

I do not think it is fair in any way, post-draft, to include suspended players in the injury slots and thus nullify some of the pre-draft strategy.

And again, Hoopsklyce, I am not trying to call you out, just trying to make my point.
 
84Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 18:04 		Good post Uptown.

I'd change my vote if I hadn't already voted no. ;)

 
85Footwedge
      ID: 544546
      Tue, Dec 26, 2006, 21:55 		I vote Yes
 
86skinneej
      ID: 2610162515
      Wed, Dec 27, 2006, 01:06 		No. Agree with much of what has already been said regarding suspended players not being eligible. Perhaps next year, if stated before the draft I would reconsider.
 
87LPG in NorCal
      ID: 5093883
      Wed, Dec 27, 2006, 03:42 		ooh, good post and good points Uptown. I didn't think about the drafting strategies and impact. Of course if all these NBA injuries keep going, this is going to be irrelevant for everybody because we're all out of roster space. Chris Paul, Josh Smith, Kristic, Cassell, Peja, this is getting crazy.

Is it just me, or are San Antonio box scores even boring to look at each night? Tonight, the Phoenix Suns get 110 points and Diaw gets 0 of them, while Ray Allen goes 4-8 from the free throw line and Randy Foye puts up a line like Adam Morrison - 25 points, 0 rebounds, 1 assist! After getting a lot of big press over the summer and first few weeks, it's amazing how quickly and completely everything turned on Morrison after that front-page article on ESPN.com.
 
88Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Dec 27, 2006, 06:27 		I'll close the voting with a no.

I'm generally opposed to rules changes in midseason, so I wanted to wait to see how much support the proposal had. While it has some, my vote makes it 6-6, so the motion doesn't carry.

If you have a suspended player, I know it sucks. But our current rule is no different than the way those players would have been handled in any prior league. I agree that we can and should reconsider this before next season. But I don't see a pressing need to make a midseason adjustment.
 
89Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Dec 27, 2006, 08:53 		Yeah, but I'm sure you're not really surprised by Morrison's season LPG. Typical for a rookie.
 
90Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Dec 30, 2006, 09:24 		Our league stats still do not include the missing Toronto-Seattle game from Dec 23. The front page at Yahoo says they have been included, but that is not correct. The team with the biggest impact (in games missing) is EuroGollum, who had four players (Watson, Bargnani, Wilcox, Garbajosa).

Coldwater and Skinneej are each missing 2 games, and Guru, Florian, and LGP are each missing one game.
 
91Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 15:46 		The missing stats are now included at Yahoo.

It's been a brutal week for my team, with my top 3 draft picks all sidelined (Wade, Billups, Odom).
 
92Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 15:58 		You may have to B(illups)O(dom)W(ade) out Guru. The damage could be irreparable.
 
93Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 16:17 		It's almost enough to turn me into a Boozer.
 
94Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Jan 01, 2007, 16:33 		That's Hilario.

Man, your team has all kinds of subject matter.
 
95hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Tue, Jan 02, 2007, 08:48 		It makes sense to not make rule changes midseason. I would start campaigning for the rule change for next season but don't think I will qualify!
 
96hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Tue, Jan 02, 2007, 14:16 		re: 83
I can see how Uptown might feel I proposed the rule change exclusively because I have Artest from my previous post but that is not the case. I have always thought it would be good for the rule to be for any reason a player misses games that they can replaced so the team can still have a chance to compete without that players services. Those suffering the most this season are owners of Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson.

I do agree though in the premise of not changing the rule mid season. I actually had thought we had an inactive list per the NBA and not an injury slot.

There might be other circumstances not foreseen for a player missing games. Say a players wife is critically ill and he leaves the team for a few weeks to be with her. For that reason I would vote next year (should I somehow qualify to return) for a rule that reads if a players misses X games for whatever reason he can be placed on the inactive list.

Actually I would prefer for this to not be an issue - to have instead of a bench that varies between 3 and 5 to have a set bench at 4.

 
97Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Jan 02, 2007, 14:49 		I was gonna say if you venture into the hypothetical wife issue you mentioned, an additional pure bench spot would help make things easier. But, should things always be easier? Being forced to make decisions with the bench spots you have is part of the game, right?

I'm in a league with no Injury spot (like most) and I've been sitting on David West. I also had to sit on Claxton, and then recently Sean May, along with the occasionally Ginobilli spot-misses etc.. My feeling in that league was that's just part of the game. Don't give me tons more bench spots. Force me to make a decision. I almost released West a couple of times, but alas, he's still mine.

I'm not saying I'd be totally against say 4 bench v 3. And I hate seeing someone's season "ruined" by suspensions/injuries. But you make trades, waiver pickups, etc, and move on, a la fantasy football where season-enders are common.
 
98Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Tue, Jan 02, 2007, 15:29 		hoopsklyce,

You missed my point. My point was not about you or your players. Anybody's players can get suspended. My point was that certain players are more "prone" to suspension (Artest, Rasheed, S. Jackson) and that managers took that into account before the season with their rankings. The IL rule before the draft did not include suspended players. To change the rule would have nullified some of the pre-draft strategy. That's what I was trying to say.

I did not "feel you proposed the rule change exclusively because you have Artest". I would have borrowed your Artest rationale regardless of who proposed the rule change because Artest is one of the players whose pre-draft ranking was so obviously impacted by the way the rules were laid out.
 
99hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 10:27 		uptown
thanks for the clarification
 
100Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Wed, Jan 03, 2007, 11:40 		I really don't subscribe to the idea of having injury slots being used for anything apart from injuries. Everyone appreciates that sometimes players are inactive for whatever reason besides injury. The Denver/NY brawl is the classic example of this, but i just don't see why a manager should be given dispensation (especially in the circumstances of suspension) for a member of their team being a knucklehead and getting himself suspended/falling out with a GM etc etc. That's part of the risk (and some might say fun!) of drafting or picking up a player that's known for his tantrums or imbalances on and off the court. There's quite a large amount of skill involved in roster rotation, especially in a "creme de la creme" league such as this one, and for me personally, it's one of the most fun parts. And this is from a team who's had to dodge around parallel extended absences of Hedo, TMac, Troy Murphy, Jeffries and Garbajosa already this season. And i know we're not the worst off team with injuries/unplayables...not by a long shot!

I definitely don't think giving out extra unrestricted bench slot(s) is the answer. Apart from anything else, the FA pool would be left in even more of a decimated state than it is already. Or maybe it's just me that thinks that :P If it ends up being reconsidered for next season (and by some miracle we're around to influence that vote) and some kind of solution get's voted in, that's cool and fair. But frankly, like Mike D and Uptown, i really don't see what all the fuss is about. What's so hard about being asked to improvise and work a bit harder in a league that is, in all honesty, elite?

To be honest, i'm just delighted we have some of the afforementioned players back on the court, because this last few weeks has been a nightmare for the Euros. And looking at the depleted rosters around the league, i can see we're not the only ones!
 
101hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Thu, Jan 04, 2007, 16:52 		I dont see what the fuss is about either. A guy misses a certain number of games for whatever reason then he goes on the inactive list. It is still a competitive league.

It is probably tough to tell through the posts that I really don't care too much about the issue I just wanted to continue to represent the other viewponit as the other 5 who voted for it have been silent.

That being said i still think my viewpoint is more geared towards next season (when I am a spectator!) as it does not make sense to change the injury rule clearly stated at the beginning of this season.
 
102Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jan 10, 2007, 13:37 		Just a reminder, since it's come up a few times already this year...


A player who is otherwise qualified for an injury slot must be kept on your bench. If you move him into your active lineup on the remote chance that he might play, then he no longer qualifies for an injury slot.
 
103Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 21:27 		Footwedge, you getting your e-mail offers brother?
 
104skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Sun, Jan 14, 2007, 23:38 		MikeD,

Re:51,54 I had no luck contacting the guy either. I gave up after two weeks.
 
105Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 08:19 		In the process of doing the weekly injury review this morning, I couldn't help but notice lionprodeguy's team (Run the System).

I've never seen a team so decimated with injuries:
Mo Williams
Stromile Swift
Kwame Brown
Jason Richardson
Yao Ming
Paul Pierce
David West

His team should be named "Ruin the System"
 
106Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 09:55 		Yow!

skinneej, thought so. Mike D don't like inactive managers.
 
107Footwedge
      Leader
      ID: 29017810
      Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 11:35 		Sorry Mike D

I've had one or two through Yahoo but none direct.
I'm changing my email address on Yahoo since it appears the work filter is blocking too much again. Actually I sent out a few offers and assumed there was no interest.

I don't get to the boards much since I didn't get any TSN teams this year. I do usually check my team daily though.
 
108Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Jan 17, 2007, 17:30 		That's cool Foot, bummer things might not have been delivered.
 
109coldwater coyotes
      SuperDude
      ID: 229272412
      Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:18 		Checking in on rules....(I am sure that this has been covered millions of times but I am getting a little confused in my middle age):

Villanueva has now said that he is day to day. Can I keep an extra reserve until he actually plays or do I now need to drop a player?
 
110Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:19 		You can keep on reserve until he plays.
 
111coldwater coyotes
      SuperDude
      ID: 229272412
      Thu, Jan 18, 2007, 13:24 		merci
 
112Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 14:20 		Amazingly, I've held up through the past month or so with significant missed time by Odom, Billups, and Wade.

But an injury to Boozer was what I've been dreading all season This might be hard to overcome.
 
113coldwater coyotes
      SuperDude
      ID: 229272412
      Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 14:46 		Looks like my hot streak is coming to an end with Jamison's knee looking bad.
 
114skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 15:33 		Yeah, CC you snuck up on me there. I'd appreciate if you toned it down a bit. Maybe the Boozer injury will help a couple of us have a little better chance as it was looking to be a two team runaway.

I'm hoping that the impending return of R. Lewis will help me in a few key areas that I have been hurting in and if Wally can overcome his sprained ankles, my scoring and 3s numbers should rise again. I've had a bad run of games lately from players like Ridnour, S. Livingston, and a few other guys I was trying to mix in to keep my games numbers close. I probably would be better off sitting these guys until my injured players return, but Shaq is still a big concern and the aforementioned Lewis and Szczerbiak have missed alot of games.
 
115Florian
      Leader
      ID: 034815289
      Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 19:01 		This is the only information I could find on Richardson:

Quentin Richardson - Guard/Forward Jan. 30 - 7:29 pm et

Quentin Richardson is out for Tuesday's contest against the Lakers due to a strained elbow in his shooting arm.
We're glad that it wasn't his back acting up, but a bum shooting elbow isn't exactly great news. His absence allowed Jared Jeffries to reenter the starting lineup; check back for updates on Richardson's condition.

If he doesn't play again tonight can I put him in an IS?
 
116Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 20:36 		I think it's 5 games or a source that says a guy will be out at least that long. Tonight is game two with no real prognosis it appears, so probably not (IMHO).

Sean May is driving me nuts. He was out 4, played 2, and tonight he's out his 3rd straight again.....
 
117Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Jan 31, 2007, 20:38 		Interesting. Don't see anything about 5 games at the top of this thread. Maybe I imagined it. But it does say "more than day to day."
 
118skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Feb 01, 2007, 09:15 		I had a similar issue with Wally earlier in the season. In between his two periods where he was out for multiple games, he had about a two week run where he was day to day. It was known he would miss a game or two with his ankles, but you didn't necessarily know how many or which nights. I just had to bench him until he played or was out indefinitely. He ended up missing 5 or 6 games like that. With our system, we'd rather guys not try to play through injuries, but just state they are out for a week or two so we can make a pickup!
 
119Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Feb 03, 2007, 22:30 		Stats finally says May is out indefinitely.
 
120Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Tue, Feb 06, 2007, 18:25 		Time for the Euros annual blockbuster trade! I'm sure Agent Zero will have the time of his life in Edinburgh.
 
121Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Fri, Feb 09, 2007, 11:41 		Trade processed - EuroGollum give up Shawn Marion and receive Gilbert Arenas from Mike V. This season has not gone well at all thus far, and we figured we needed a jumpstart to get things going again. Last year, we were languishing at the bottom end of the standings at the time of the ASB, and traded away KG for Kobe with dramatic results. Hoping for something similar here now. Marion is the better/best overall player (just), but Agent Zero gives us massive bumps in scoring, 3s, FT% and assists, all of which we really need to improve in. Also under no illusions that this trade improves Mike V to the point where he could threaten us even more for a slot in the top half. We need a huge 2nd half just to survive, and this is probably the first of several moves in an effort to right the ship.

Very interesting watching the top 3 or 4 teams flux and change at the top. This could be the closest RIHC yet!
 
122Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Feb 09, 2007, 11:53 		I'm not actively seeking trades (maybe I should be), but if I could summarize my needs, it would be to sacrifice some scoring in return for boosting my assists. This would need to be done without damaging my shooting percentages, and without materially hurting any other categories.

I have no specific proposal in mind. I did tinker with a few simple ideas this week, but didn't find anything that I could get comfortable with.

The best adjustment for me would be to simply get Boozer back on the court!
 
123Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Feb 11, 2007, 08:59 		Sounds like you are looking for some highly specific stuff. Me, I'll just take some good performing pieces of meat known as NBA players. ;)
 
124Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 11:50 		Major trade #2 confirmed for Team EuroSmeagol. LPG gets Tracy McGrady, we get Paul Pierce. You don't get nowhere standing still, right? We decided we needed some more changes to move up the standings. Pierce is somewhat of a risk given the Celtics will likely be in "Please donate us Greg Oden" mode very shortly. If Boston decides to sit Wally and Pierce on the stretch run to give the kids more chances, Pierce's numbers could take a hit. And he's coming off a lingering injury. Still, he's got the volume FT% credentials we were after and has been knocking down 3s all year at a massively improved rate. If he stays healthy and his PT doesn't suffer down the stretch, this should be a very good trade for us. I guess we'll find out soon!

Probably not done restructuring yet. This trade disease is hard to get rid of once you've caught it!

I wouldn't mind an ASB recap thread if others are interested? There's been a lot of ups and down for our squad thus far, and i think the run-in could be even more tumultuous and exciting. This middle of the pack race is an extremely close one at the moment!
 
125RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 12:29 		Wait...I thought I was playing for Greg Oden.
 
126Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 16:03 		"GO" isn't in this league. That's the Chamber.
 
127Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 17:47 		Mike D - I sent you an email today, and got back an auto-response saying you were out of the office until January 30. Taking an 11.5 month trip?

 
128RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 17:52 		and the punch line is "Mike D is always out to lunch" ...err...away from the office.
 
129Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 18:06 		Oops. Methinks I forgot to change the date. Good no one (besides Guru) reads those things. ;)

 
130Florian
      Leader
      ID: 034815289
      Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 15:02 		It appears Ray Allen will be out for at least some time:

Ray Allen - Guard Mar. 2 - 1:32 pm et


The Tacoma News Tribune is reporting that Ray Allen could miss the rest of the NBA season due to bone spurs in his left ankle.
A Friday morning CT scan will determine whether Allen, who missed Thursday's game against the Clippers, will need season-ending surgery. He's been bothered by the injury for several weeks and will need surgery at some point, even if he decides to play through the rest of the season. "The bone spur is there from the last time I went to the doctor, but it has gotten worse," Allen said. "We'll just see how it goes the next couple of days because if it does not get any better, I could have surgery sooner." Allen owners should look to deal him immediately, although doing so would likely raise questions of ethics. However, he hasn't been ruled out for the season at this point.

Unless someone objects, I'm going to place him in one of my injury slots.
 
131RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 17:27 		At this point its more a "day to day" status than a certified "I'm out". I'd think you need to wait for the "We'll just see how it goes the next couple of days" to pass before slotting him. Perhaps I'm alone in this thinking.
 
132Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 18:21 		I think it's OK to put him in an injury slot. Doesn't sound very day-to-day to me.
 
133Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 22:01 		Then again...
 
134Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 22:29 		Lol. If it looks like Ray is playing, and if he shoots like Ray.....it is Ray!
 
135RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 00:31 		...and I don't expect anyone to contradict my opinion again...

;)
 
136Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Mar 05, 2007, 06:54 		You know I won't, oh great master of the fluid.
 
137Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 17:59 		I miss Dwyane Wade!
 
138Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Mar 10, 2007, 19:14 		I miss Joe Johnson. But I just got Baron Davis, and now Richard Jefferson back, almost like I made a trade.
 
139Florian
      Leader
      ID: 034815289
      Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:28 		David Lee - Forward Mar. 14 - 10:10 am et

David Lee's Monday visit to Indianapolis physician David A. Porter resulted in a new prognosis for his injured ankle, meaning he'll miss three to four more weeks, which means he'll miss most of the rest of the regular season with the injury.
Lee's high ankle sprain is more like a stress reaction in a bone in the area, putting it somewhere between a bone bruise and a stress fracture. The latter injury ended teammate Jamal Crawford's season. "His [Porter's] opinion is it could be as much as three to four weeks before I'd start seeing action, though he's still looking at MRIs [yesterday] that had to be overnighted to him," Lee said. It's probably safe to dump Lee in fantasy leagues, as a best-case scenario would only have him available for the last few games of the regular season.
Source: New York Post


I hope I'm as wrong about this one as I was about Ray Allen, but in the meantime I'll put him in an IS. I'll be out of town for the next 10 days, so if he does come back before then, he'll just stay in an IS.
 
140Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 19, 2007, 12:32 		I was asked by someone about the rules of succession for next year's RIHC.

First, nothing is set in stone. Also, it's not unusual for at least one "automatic" qualifier to pull out, opening an additional slot. But, with those caveats, here is my tentative thinking.

We have the RIHC, two AAA leagues, and two AA leagues.

I certainly want to keep at least the top 4 RIHC teams.
I want to invite at least the top 2 from each AAA league.
I want to invite the winner of each AA league.

That's already 10 teams, leaving only 2 slots to fill. Here are the possibilities:

Barring a complete meltdown (still a possibility at the rate my players are fading), I should finish in the top 4 of the RIHC. I could take the 5th place team (the top 4 non-guru teams).

I could take the 3rd place team in one or both of the AAA leagues.

Those three teams would probably be the "short list". The selection from among them would depend on particulars of each league, and possibly on other "intangibles".

So, if you want to be relatively safe, then finish in the top 4 of the RIHC, the top 2 of a AAA league, or win a AA league. After that, everyone is on the bubble. And don't automatically assume that the top 4 from the RIHC necessarily means the top four non-Guru teams.

 
141coldwater coyotes
      SuperDude
      ID: 229272412
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:11 		I have Villanueva and Ryan Gomes sitting injured on my bench. Gomes has been out for some time and the latest news on Villanueva is that he is seeing various experts and we will get an update at the end of next week. Any chance I can put them on the injured reserve list?
 
142Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Tue, Mar 20, 2007, 12:33 		Sounds like you can (IMHO).
 
143Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Apr 05, 2007, 04:27 		This season just gets better and better. Last night's Eurogollum roll call:

Arenas - injured, possibly shut down
Pierce - DNP, possibly shut down
Redd - DNP
Chandler - injured
Wilcox - injured
Tyrus Thomas - ejected
Boykins - career game...on bench

Not that this has any impact on the outcome of our season, but sometimes you just have to laugh and realise you're trying to swim up a waterfall :) AAA should be an interesting new challenge next year!

Good luck to everyone in the end game. There are quite a few teams making a late charge, should be interesting.
 
144Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Apr 05, 2007, 07:54 		Methinks I'm fading......Guru's methodical plan is coming to fruition.
 
145Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 35616416
      Sat, Apr 07, 2007, 11:32 		My first positive point movement in the standings for quite some time came after last night's games. Jeez, what a miserable team I've put together. Maybe my boy Craig Smith will rally my team in the last few days to climb one spot. :)
 
146Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Apr 07, 2007, 12:38 		Hmmm....banking on Craig Smith, eh? It's a mortal lock. ;)
 
147Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Apr 08, 2007, 08:36 		Geez coldwater.......4 points in a day, this late in the season?!?!
 
148skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Apr 09, 2007, 14:31 		Wow, I go on vacation for a week and come back to find my team has slipped horribly. I'm not sure what happened. I've been spared the injury bug the last couple months to my key players so I think it is just other teams catching up in games played and my team being essentially on cruise control the last month or two.

I felt like I was just on the outside all season looking up at the top two teams, but I have not been able to make any headway. Early season injuries hurt, but I managed to remain in third though all that. Now that I have everyone back and playing fairly well, I guess I lost focus on the key areas that I was losing ground in. I hope I can find a way to hang on to a few areas over the last 10 days.
 
149Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 05:15 		When does this season end? We were just on the verge of some kind of mini-run and then Arenas, Redd and now Pierce and Watson are ruled out for the season.

Check out some of the jokers on our squad; Tarance Kinsey, Allan Ray, Travis Outlaw...who are these guys?

Mike, it must be deja vu for you with all these peeps creeping up on you near the end!
 
150Mike D
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      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Apr 12, 2007, 07:07 		Well, it WAS like that....until Guru passed me a week ago (or whenever). Not much I can do, as I'm fairly settled into the categories......oh well.
 
151hoopsklyce
      Leader
      ID: 59923214
      Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 11:02 		NICE job by rotoguru - thought he was toast when Wade went down but he battled through it. Looks like my run of 4 seasons has ended - its been fun - bye. Look forward to 'easier' competition :)
 
152Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 12:02 		I also thought I was cooked when Wade went down. Also lost Butler. Then Martin, Atkins, Foye, Ellis, and even Odom were playing like crap, and I was wondering whether I could even hold on to 2nd. Based on the trend, I really thought I was headed for 3rd or 4th place.

Then Odom started playing well, as did the rest of my temporary underachievers. And then Wade came back, which really was unnecessary (as it now appears) - but he gave the team (or at least its manager) a psychological lift. And suddenly, we're hitting on all cylinders down the stretch! I'm amazed.

I'll open a new thread for post season recaps tomorrow, but I don't want to jump the gun and jinx anything for tonight.

The key battle is for the 4-5-6 spots. The team finishing in 4th is safe for an invite next year. The team in 6th will need some other invitees to decide not to return. And the team in 5th will be on the bubble. (Just because I'm in the top 4 doesn't automatically mean that the 5th place team gets to return.)
 
153RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 12:38 		I look forward to retirement. I can't believe how crappy I've done, but looking back on my draft...and the fact I failed to listen to my own advice, I understand now.
 
154Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Wed, Apr 18, 2007, 18:11 		We thought we'd leave it until the last day before unleashing Tarance Kinsey's career game on your asses. You scared? Huh? Huh? Whaddaya mean "the gutter's that way"? :P

Don't worry Klyce and RSF, we can have our own little RIHC relegated dogfight in AAA next season.

Good luck to those that are fighting for qualification places tonight. It's been another hardfought season.

I don't care anyway. I'll be in Miami then Dallas next week watching Shaq, Wade and Dirk in the playoffs. So i don't care :P
 
155Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 06:26 		Well done, Guru. It was only a matter of time before you won this thing! And congrats also to Mike D for yet another top 3 RIHC finish.
 
156Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 06:58 		Thanks bro. And yes, congrats to Guru.
 
157Footwedge
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      ID: 29017810
      Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 08:59 		Congrats to Guru and all. It was a battle all season and came down to a few assists, so the bubble is only appropriate with all of the ups and downs.
Dilligad. A dramatic run to fall just short.
 
158skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 10:57 		Hey, 4th place again gets me another year. Woohoo! I took two different paths to make it to a 2nd consecutive 4th place finish though. Last year I had to work very hard to go from next to last after the first 6 weeks of the season to the top 5. It took several trades, key WW additions and constant managing. This year, I basically coasted and it nearly cost me. I had 0 trades (I think I used them all up in the Elimination Chamber) and I really did a poor job of managing my team in the middle of the season. It was a mad scramble the last few weeks to hold onto the assist category and to try to eek out a few more that were really close.

Props to Guru for putting together a strong team. If you check my post draft comments, you will see that I felt Guru had the most balanced team, and he was able to manage around many injuries while maintaining his lead most of the season. A masterful recovery indeed following the key injuries to Odom and Wade. Nice Job!