| Posted by: reebbertxx2001
- [27112610] Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 18:58
This is alot earlier than last year if I remember right. Prizes are down again.You have to finish top 75 to get cash, although they pay tokens for other places. |
| 1 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310 Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 20:56
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Is there a price spreadsheet anywhere? I can't seem to find one.
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| 2 | reebbertxx2001
ID: 27112610 Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 22:43
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1 $2,000 2 $1,000 3 $750 4 $500 5 $250 6-10 $150 11-15 $100 16-25 $75 26-50 $50 51-75 $40 76-100 2,500 Tokens
Top Franchise Values* Place Cash Prize 1 $250 2 $125 3 $75 4 $50 5 $25
*Note: In order to qualify for any of the five prizes given out for Roster Value your team must be ranked among the top 50% in TSNP of all teams in the game for the 2007 Ultimate Fantasy Hoops Season.
League Prize Winners Place Cash Prize 1st in your League * $50
*NOTE: To be eligible for league prizes, he/she must be in a League with 10 teams or more. Managers in pre-purchased leagues are not eligible for league prizes.
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| 3 | deejay
ID: 4384267 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 08:34
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here is some player pricing:
KG 12.0 Gasol 10.7 (4th most exp) Josh Smith 9.80 Melo 9.40 Deng 9.20 Roy 8.30 Barbosa 7.80
spicy...
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| 4 | Bond, James Bond Donor
ID: 04352469 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 17:35
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Gasol's 10.7??? Good grief. If I recall correctly, he pretty much stayed under $7M all last year, right?
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| 5 | deejay
ID: 4384267 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 19:16
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that is correct, 007.
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| 6 | qwert Donor
ID: 2910242819 Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 11:39
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re 4
but only due to gravity in the first half of the season
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| 7 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 11:42
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Gasol started the season at $8m, but was down to $6.6 by the time he started playing.
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| 8 | Bond, James Bond Donor
ID: 04352469 Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 15:24
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Ah yes...I do remember that now Guru. Thanks for helping my selective memory.
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| 9 | WonderB Sustainer
ID: 241053812 Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 23:15
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hi. guru, i probably won't play ultimate again but out of mild interest will the sortable stats be updated.
also would it be alright to post something this early to gauge interest in the lower echelons of the RIHC.
sorry you are probably working on it already and i'm just getting too excited.
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| 10 | Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 14:37
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With my performance in RotoHog football, I'm pretty excited for Basketball to arrive too! lol
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| 11 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 14:52
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I'll plan to begin looking at RIHC this week.
I'll also be posting TSN data in the sartibles, although that may not be this week.
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| 12 | qwert Donor
ID: 2910242819 Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 16:52
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not sure where to post this, but if there are any openings in GMD, i'd love to throw my name into the draft.
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| 13 | ole
ID: 478382316 Sun, Sep 23, 2007, 17:51
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roy 8.3 million? uhm...
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| 14 | The Bandwagon Donor
ID: 479521116 Sat, Sep 29, 2007, 12:05
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Species, does rotohog have a fantasy hoops game?
I'm just now discovering rotohog. $100,000 grand prize for a free game? Whats the catch?
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| 15 | Dunkenstein
ID: 37855203 Sun, Sep 30, 2007, 20:26
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TSN Ultimate looks like there may not be many participants this year. It looks like only 330 or so have signed up thus far.
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| 17 | Soulman Donor
ID: 016105313 Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 04:29
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I think most participants only sign up by mid to end October even if they're already absolutely sure they'll play. For instance, I'll definitely play but I still haven't signed up because for several weeks now I'm waiting for a specific response from TSN. Which I need before I can sign up.
I've tried the general hoops address and the personal address of the employee who responded last year but only earned silence. Does anybody have a good idea who to address to actually have things happen? Thanks in advance guys!
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| 18 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 14:03
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try coutram@spotingnews.com
Chris Coutram seems to be the guy administering TSN Hoops.
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| 19 | Soulman Donor
ID: 016105313 Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 15:47
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Thanks Dunker, will do.
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| 20 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 16:03
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yeah I second that, he's the only one who seems to care
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| 21 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 16:14
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That's because he's the guy who is paid to care about TSN Hoops. I believe it's his only responsibility. The other guys have responsibilities that cover all of the TSN games.
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| 22 | Rendle
ID: 457402414 Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 16:20
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Courtram is currently sorting out the baseball and football games which are in shambles.
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| 23 | tothreeball Dude
ID: 09118139 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 21:31
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Unexplainably, I was looking through the rules for TSN Ultimate, and saw missed free throws was a -.5 deduction. I seem to recall for the past few years a missed FT was -1. Perhaps my memory has lapsed, if not, infamous brick layers such as Shaq, Duncan, Dwight Howard, Chandler may not be as scary to pick up. Does anyone recall the scoring deductions from previous years.
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| 24 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 00:37
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You are correct. In the past it was -1 for a missed free throw.
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| 25 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 00:45
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I wonder if it's really a change or just a typo.
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| 26 | reebbertxx2001
ID: 108352516 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 02:01
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Per the TSN message boards
Hey guys,
We do not have the resources to add live scoring or draft and trade to hoops this year. Jeff would best be able to field the question "why not".
I will lower missed Free Throws to -.5 and keep everything else the same. Thanks for the help.
Good luck next season.
coutram
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| 27 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 13:51
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I have updated the sortable stats and player pages with new prices, new players, and the new schedule. I think everything is working OK, but there are a lot of moving parts - particularly with the schedule projections in hoops - so please keep a wary eye out for anything that looks to be off.
A few notes: 1. TSN initally had rookies all priced at $5m, which was clearly premature. They have since removed rookies from their published database. In order to keep them visible for now, I have included them all with their originally posted positions and a draft price of $100,000 - which is clearly not going to be their actual price. When actual prices are updated, I'll make the changes.
2. As noted above, the point formula is slightly different this year, as missed free throws are worth only -.5 instead of -1. I have not adjusted the prior year stats to reflect this - so my points will not correspond to those shown at the TSN site. Of course, I will use the new formula when calculating points this year.
3. The Assimilator is not yet updated. I'll work on that shortly.
4. Some player links (to RotoWire, RotoWorld, & NBA.com, for example) will be incorrect, particularly for rookies. I'll work on updating these during October.
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| 28 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 14:34
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OK, Assimilator is up as well. Same caveats.
Preseason schedule will appear in the schedule look-ahead section. You can change it to the regular season by clicking on the link just above the schedule grid and selecting 10-30 as the start date.
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| 29 | Bond, James Bond Donor
ID: 04352469 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 23:52
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Thanks Guru. However I can't see the price for Iverson, A. Miller, Harrington or S. Jackson. Maybe it's just me...I dunno.
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| 30 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 10:26
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Oops. The listing I pulled off the TSN site seems to be missing about 30 players, including Iverson.
I figured out a way to get them, however, so I hope the current listing is complete.
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| 31 | Chuck L. Leader
ID: 02722619 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 13:59
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Guru -- Regarding the 30 players, you initially showed no price for them, but now show them at $5 million (except Iverson). If this is what is shown in the TSN site, it's clearly a mistake and will change.
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| 32 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 14:22
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Not clearly a mistake. In fact, nothing is clear - excpet that TSN's quality control is lacking.
If I generate a list of players (at the TSN site) using 06-07 stats, I get 426 names. If I select 07-08 stats (which are all zero for now, of course), I get 469 players. The larger list includes Iverson at $9.2m, and 42 players listed at $5m. While that might be an inappropriate price for some of those players, it doesn't necessarily seem unreasonable for many others - including Steve Blake, Al Harrington, Mike Dunleavy, Stephen Jackson, Alonzo Mourning, Troy Murphy, Joe Smith, ...
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| 33 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 14:23
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Here's the complete list of the 43 discrepancies:
Allen Iverson Louis Amundson Steve Blake Earl Boykins Will Conroy Ike Diogu Juan Dixon Mike Dunleavy Melvin Ely Devin Green Anfernee Hardaway Al Harrington Jason Hart Julius Hodge Robert Horry Luke Jackson Stephen Jackson Casey Jacobsen Sarunas Jasikevicius Anthony Johnson Eddie Jones Fred Jones Keith McLeod Chris Mihm Darius Miles Andre Miller Alonzo Mourning Troy Murphy Andre Owens Scott Padgett Josh Powell Jeremy Richardson Bernard Robinson Kareem Rush Bobby Simmons Joe Smith Awvee Storey Bob Sura Robert Swift Jake Tsakalidis Dajuan Wagner Chris Webber Eric Williams
Iverson is listed at $9.2m, everyone else is listed at $5m.
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| 34 | Blooki Sustainer
ID: 449292712 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 22:29
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Seems like TSN is still nailing down the prices for players who missed a significant portion of last season or changed teams.
My question is: if they're drafted at today's prices, what happens to your team when their prices change? $50mil FV anyone?
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| 35 | Chuck L. Leader
ID: 02722619 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 22:41
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Perhaps it would have been safer if I had said "should" rather than "will." TSN has done some crazy pricing in the past, but (and I know you agree) there are a LOT of guys on this list who are second and third string players that should be priced MUCH lower than $5 million. Hopefully, someone on TSN staff reads your Message Forum and will get it right.
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| 36 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 01:14
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The reality is that none of the players like Iverson or the rookies who are currently priced at $5M can actually be added to your team. If you buy them their spot on your roster remains empty.
I emailed coutram about all the discrepancies Guru outlined above and he replied that TSN is aware of them. He is working to get them dealt with in the next few days.
I think TSN made a mistake opening Hoops so early, before they had time to check out all the anomalies.
coutram closed his email by saying, "I assure you we are committed on sewing up these games and get them to a high standard. That's not a tag line, that's a personal guarantee."
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| 37 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 10:06
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Actually, you can buy them. I successfully added Webber to one team yesterday, just to see what would happen.
The $5m cash was deducted. If I leave the roster display on the default page (06-07 stats), his name does not appear. But if you switch to the 07-08 stats, he shows up where he belongs.
As to what happens if you own a player in the preseason whose price is revised: In football, this happened with some players. They removed repriced players from all teams that owned them (and restored the original cash). So it had no impact on roster value. It did, however, invalidate any preseason work you might have done on assembling an affordable roster.
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| 38 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 12:32
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I got the following communication from coutram: "I requested the feed from stats to put the players on the right teams so that should be done sometime early next week. Those missing players should be in the game now. The rookies will be added to the game on the 17th."
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| 39 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 14:18
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It's still pretty much a mess. If I run the same report two different times, I get slightly different results. For example, sometimes Iverson is listed, sometimes not.
I'm going to stick with what I have for now, and hopefully by the 17th, they'll have sorted out the glitches.
I also see that they have Eddie Griffin listed for $5M, and his status is listed as "healthy".
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| 40 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 15:59
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Were you thinking of putting Griffin on your team? :-)
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| 41 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 16:50
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You knew you get an extra trade, if your team is valid on Oct30 b4 11pm ? DL'ers you are warned.
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| 42 | dpr
ID: 1733917 Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 16:52
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yea that change isn't that bad compared to what they did to baseball I'm still considering it. One thing which worries me tho is they say first trades are given out 11/13. Thats to weeks into the season. Going to be hard whether u start with 4 or 5.
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| 43 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 17:03
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that i think, but also certainly hope is just a mistake.
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| 44 | dpr
ID: 1733917 Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 17:42
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yea thats what I hope too. There have been questions on the message boards but TSN people haven't answered them. It used to be just in the game rules but now the 11/13 date is also listed on the homepage which has me a little bit more worried.
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| 45 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 17:58
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so i asked again dpr.
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| 46 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 11:59
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I got this email from coutram after I asked him about the first trade refresh on 11/13:
"This will be addressed today but historically we front load the first week trades and then give out trades the second week. The season this year starts on Tuesday which makes it seem longer than in past years. Our customer service team will address this but this model has worked for the game in past years. Our fear is the scattered schedule to start the season will affect price movers too much so keeping the trades the same will help with regard to that.
"I understand your concerns but we think this is in the best interests of the managers playing."
I think his reasoning is faulty. If you do as well, you can email him at coutram@sportingnews.com
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| 47 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:14
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email sent, i cant agree on this, 15 days before new trades, that is insane.
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| 48 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 12:56
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his reply....
"This will be addressed today but historically we front load the first week trades and then give out trades the second Tuesday in the season. The season this year starts on Tuesday which makes it seem longer than in past years (if the season used to start on Thursday you ended up getting trades 10 days after). This model has worked for the game in years past.
I'd just like to emphasize that nothing has changed on our end with regard to when we give out trades. Thanks for the email and I hope this clears up any concerns you have.
-coutram"
Looks a lot like the reply Dunkenstein got...
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| 49 | dpr
ID: 1733917 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:40
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i too sent an email..
hi coutram,
I just wanted to make a comment about giving out the first trades on 11/13. I have heard your stance and know you plan to address this today but i feel it would be a mistake to wait this long for extra trades. Historically you may have waited until the second week to give out trades but with the season starting on a tuesday this means a very long period with only a few trades. With the season starting on a sunday it may work to skip a tuesday but going 15 days with 4 (or 5) trades does not seem like the best idea. IS there a past precedent for what happens when the season starts soon after trade day? I can't imagine a game has ever gone 15 days without additional trades. I think giving the additional trades makes sense from a competitive and enjoyment perspective. I worry some of the less experienced managers may lose interest if they can only make a move once every 4 days to tart the season. Especially managers with poor initial teams will struggle. From a competitive standpoint I feel that by by waiting so long for trades you further limit the initial player pool that people are choosing from. With this set up a manager needs to focus on only players who have long term solid schedules (you can't get a guy with a good schedule for like 2 weeks because you can't gaurentee you will have the trade to get out of him with having to get on trains in the meantime). Limiting the viable player pool is never a good way to encourage discrepancy among teams. At the very least I think a compromise needs to be considered where 2 trades or something are given out on 11/6 however I would prefer the full 4. I believe that many experienced managers agree with me on this stance.
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| 50 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:54
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Guys, I made a poll about this on the tsn forum, I all invite you to go vote and/or leave your opinion.
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| 51 | Dave R SuperDude
ID: 3010361110 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:59
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I have been emailing them as well and one point I made was that last season started on a Tuesday as well, and we got new trades the following week, not 2 weeks later.
I'm sure they are aware of the concerns and think it will work out.
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| 52 | Blooki Sustainer
ID: 449292712 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:03
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I think this is a matter of misunderstanding rather than genuine disagreement.
Historically, this is absolutely NOT what TSN has done. I believe they are responding to these emails thinking that we're clamoring for 4 trades to be given out after opening night and oblivious to the fact that their advertised first trade refresh date is actually two weeks into the season. So rather than try to negotiate with TSN (i.e. asking for 2 trades instead of 4) or starting polls/petitions, I think somebody should just tell TSN to double-check if we're on the same page here and fix the mix-up.
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| 53 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:08
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The season this year starts on Tuesday which makes it seem longer than in past years.
That's wrong. The NBA season has always started on a Tuesday - at least for many years.
And TSN has always given out the first dole of trades after the first full week in Hoops.
In baseball, when the season starts on a Sunday, they have skipped the first Tuesday. But that has never been the case in Hoops, because the NBA season always starts on a Tuesday.
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| 54 | angryChair
ID: 100501014 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:12
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Ultimately if they stick with the 13th then it will be the SAME for everyone----I would like the trades on the 6th too-----but I will adjust accordingly if they do not make the change. Makes that every year thread that reads: "THE VALUE OF A TRADE" even more interesting to read this year!
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| 55 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 15:45
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I have got news, I emailed back and forth with coutram, and they realize that they're wrong in their reasoning, and they will discuss it today... ill keep you updated.
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| 56 | Dave R SuperDude
ID: 3010361110 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:42
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They have seen the error of their ways. This is on the site now:
When do I get new trades?
After 11pm ET on the first day of the season (Tuesday, Oct 30th), the unlimited trading period ends, and you start the season with 4 free trades in your account. Every Tuesday at 11pm ET (starting on Tuesday, November 6th), your team will be awarded 4 more trades.
Also note, and this was there before:
If you have a valid roster by Tuesday, October 30th at 11pm ET you will receive an extra trade.
This is an attempt to discourage or deter day late teams.
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| 57 | Soulman Donor
ID: 016105313 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 18:05
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That's great news! It's also encouraging to see that TSN listened to the community and corrected what would have been an unnecessary negative impact on game balance. Thanks for your efforts, guys!
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| 58 | qwert
ID: 15912114 Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 22:48
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rookie prices are up. durant 8 mill.
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| 59 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 08:05
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I updated all players and prices based on current listings at TSN.
Some active players were listed in a previous version but are now missing:
Devin Green Anfernee Hardaway Robert Horry Casey Jacobsen Chris Mihm Darius Miles Alonzo Mourning Andre Owens Kareem Rush Bobby Simmons Awvee Storey Bob Sura Robert Swift Dajuan Wagner
I dont know if these players are all active, but many are.
Sortable stats and Assimilator are now updated.
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| 60 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 15:51
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one of the administrators had this question/inquiry(see on tsn forum):
What are your opinions on all Ultimate Hoops trades going out at the beginning of the season instead of weekly? This wouldn't be changed this year, but it's something we would consider for the future.
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| 61 | qwert
ID: 15912114 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 16:16
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i wouldn't play anymore. changes the game completely.
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| 62 | Soulman Donor
ID: 016105313 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 18:24
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That would be disastrous change IMHO which I believe would destroy the game. Will tempt impatient managers to blow all their trades prematurely for 15 minutes of fame. And as such will increase rate of managers quitting mid-season because all their trades are spent.
I'd say "Don't try to fix something which isn't broken"...
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| 63 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 18:26
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Actually, it used to be done that way. When I won it in 97-98, we got 50 trades for the whole season, all available from the beginning. (Yep, just 50!)
My sense was that they changed it in order to make sure teams could stay active throughout the season.
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| 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 18:36
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[59] The missing players have been added back to the game.
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| 65 | qwert Donor
ID: 2910242819 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 19:37
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re 63
If I'm not mistaken, which I might be since I only started playing around 2000, the game was free back then and played by a considerably larger number of people.
With participation dwindling, I think that change would lead to a paltry number of active teams by the end of the year.
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| 66 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 19:50
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I dont like that idea that much either, im with Soulman's reasoning.
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| 67 | Jack Hammers Donor
ID: 236482918 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 21:25
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I've been to decide whether to play this year or not. This is the first time I've looked at this thread and I gotta tell ya, none of this looks very encouraging. Sounds like its a mess I don't have near the time it takes to do well at it anyway but its been such a great game....
Probobly buy one team and just struggle through the glitches
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| 69 | angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918 Wed, Oct 17, 2007, 23:25
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I played SmallWorld way back when when you received all your trades at once and actually liked it. When it switched to weekly trades I cannot remember the year) I hated it, but eventually got used to it. Both ways work. It seems that changes are good, because it forces us all to change our strategies a bit.
And yes, it was free back then too--and I was actually in the top 10 a lot early----But also still finished in the top 50 and top 100 a few times.
I think change is good.
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| 70 | Dunkenstein Leader
ID: 039541913 Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 01:14
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#67 Many of the glitches happened because they launched the game several weeks before they normally do, and weren't fully prepared. To their credit, I feel TSN has responded to the issues that have been raised and the glitches seem to have been rectified.
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| 71 | Chuck L.
ID: 12917118 Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 13:37
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I agree that the glitches have been fixed. For purposes of discussion, one change I would like to see made for next year is to go back to the days when there was a fixed (earlier) trade deadline rather than game time deadlines. It's irritating to feel compelled to hang around the computer at game times to see if one of your players (due to unannounced injury or whatever) won't be playing. It's also a disadvantage to those who aren't able to do this. And as most of us know, even if you can do this, it can be very frustrating.
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| 72 | Soulman Donor
ID: 016105313 Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:34
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I absolutely second what Chuck said regarding the trade deadline. Not only would a fixed deadline (e.g. at 1200pm ET as in past seasons) do away with the disadvantage that managers outside US timezones have, it also would stop the ever-changing Yahoo starting lineups from mocking us over and over. Just ask Senator about his story with Dre Miller and the Yahoo lineup... ;)
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| 73 | angryChair
ID: 100501014 Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:54
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#72---Agreed (mostly), but no matter what, the East Coast has the advantage due to time change on a Noon EST trade deadline. Make it Noon (PST) instead......
Still a 3 hour advantage, but not one that is as early as 9 am on the west coast.
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| 74 | deejay Donor
ID: 501182710 Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 16:08
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the deadline was better for my health that is sure.
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| 75 | Soulman Donor
ID: 016105313 Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 16:33
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#73 Noon in *any* of the US timezones would be fine for me. As deejay says, it would be much better for our health than this gametime trading madness, which for us Europeans means tipoff between 1 am and 4 am... ;)
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| 76 | Tequila
ID: 46941223 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 05:41
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i agree, a fixed deadline would have a lot of benefits for my health, sleep and whatever. A 12pm East could be too early for someone but a fixed deadline starting with the beginning of the first game of the day should be all right i think.
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